NL Central Roundup: Cincinnati Reds go full Jocketty for Latos, etc.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 20, 2011 9:00 AM EST
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PrintI'll say this for Walt Jocketty: As the baseball landscape continues to change—and prospects become more and more valued by the rest of baseball—he remains the same Walt Jocketty who built two outstanding Cardinals teams from trading prospects for veterans immediately before and after Moneyball. The weird thing about the Mat Latos trade is that it's a kind of ersatz challenge between the two most expensive resources in baseball circa 2011—one cost-controlled starter with excellent peripherals for several cost-controlled prospects with good pedigrees. This isn't trading a fluke starting pitcher for an unpopular center fielder—it's trading a few gold bars for a brick of platinum.
That said—this is a lot of gold bars. I'm not at all sold on Yonder Alonso and I still think the Reds might have lost this trade; if you actually think he's one of the top hitting prospects in baseball (and I'm not honestly sure why you would) the Reds are in real trouble.
I'm sympathetic to the argument Dave Cameron made on FanGraphs—basically that the Reds had a ton of surplus value here, and they decided to use it all on one potentially great player instead of spending it on several very good players—but in the history of baseball analysis I have been burned by no one idea so much as, "[Team X] has like four great players at that position, they should dump all that depth as soon as possible." Call it the Taylor Teagarden Hypothesis, if only because we need more reasons, in these troubled times, to still say the name "Taylor Teagarden."
Alonso is a good old-fashioned blocked slugger—neither he nor Joey Votto should be playing left field, although Chris Heisey or whomever else they'll be starting there probably isn't a great bet himself. But now Votto has to stay healthy, and Devin Mesoraco has to perform well in his rookie season, and the bullpen can't need Brad Boxberger. By trading all that depth not for more depth but for one player they've made themselves a better, thinner team for a year or so—and they absolutely must win the division in that window.
This isn't a bad trade—so it's not Mulder-for-Haren-and-co., which was obviously terrible from the moment it was made (even if my reaction to that effect was in no small part because I thought Daric Barton would be a star)—but it's not Edmonds for Bottenfield, either.
Elsewhere: The Brewers break my heart and sign Norichika Aoki, the Astros put together the worst ZiPS projections you will ever see.
Brewers—like the Cardinals they're a bit of an odd fit for Aoki, Japan's designated Ichiro replacement, since they, too, have an over-performing left-handed hitter in center field already. But for $2 million and a Tsuyoshi Nishioka-sized deal Aoki should be, at least, the player they've budgeted for, and he's at least more likely to parlay Ryan Braun's suspension into a more permanent starting arrangement than Carlos Gomez.
Astros—Jeff Luhnow was just named GM of one of those foreclosed homes where the previous occupants tore huge holes in the walls and spraypainted genitalia on everything on their way out. Jose Altuve looks like a neat player, and the Jed Lowrie trade was great, and Wandy Rodriguez and Bud Norris could be average pitchers until Luhnow trades them for prospects in June. But that's it.
Who knew that Ed Wade's gameplan was to make the Astros so terrible that, six years into the deal, Carlos Lee really would be the best player on the team?
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What makes the Astros projections even more frightening-
I’m willing to take Under on the performances for most of their pitchers as well.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Is it better to get a "proven" starter like Garza or Greinke...
or one with more years of team control, like Latos? Probably the latter, which explains why so much talent went to SD.
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depends on when you want to compete, I suppose
though Latos gives you a good shot now and later. I just… he’s not my favorite.
Latos could get hurt in Cincy`
He’s not a groundball guy.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
48% groundball rate
Is pretty good. That’s coming with 200+ k’s as well. Latos is pretty much the same pitcher in every park, his numbers are not padded by petco at all. He’s a great talent.
by lopey986 on Dec 20, 2011 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm getting 42.8%
League average is around 45%. Probably not a big deal.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
his FB% is 48
and is above league average…i think we see an uptick in HR allowed, but not enough to really hurt his value
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
DB influence - Have to factor what pitching 200 innings by June will bring in August and September
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For the Reds, I think Latos makes more sense because he is cheaper and they have a tight payroll.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is Latos not proven?
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depends on what you mean by proven
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I've seen some analyses that...
bring this up – he hasn’t made it to 200 innings yet. Maturity issues. Injuries the last two seasons…
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wat
He’s at like 400+ innings
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Is that a criteria for being proven?
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seems pretty arbitrary
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
well, it's a decent benchmark for the kind of performance he'll need to deliver
to have a chance at being worth what they traded for him. So it’s certainly relevant in that sense that he hasn’t yet shown he can do it. He’s young and improving, so he presumably can, but it’s still a question mark for now.
Why 200 Innings...
Starters generally make about 30 starts a year (for instance, last year Lohse provided 31 while Garcia provided 32). At 30 starts, 200 innings averages out to 6.67 innings while 150 innings averages out to 5 innings. A top-of-rotation starter generally is expected to provide his team with lots of innings at a high performance, and 200 innings is regarded as the overall benchmark, because you want your top-line starters to average about 7 innings, so you’re only using your set-up and closer in those games.
Latos has been close; last season he hit 194.1 innings in 31 starts (6.2 innings).
The difference between 194 innings and 200 innings is 6 innings
I’m not sure why that matters.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
it doesnt really and 200 is arbitrary
but that is 6 innings that will be pitched by a lesser pitcher so obviously the more innings any above average pitcher can throw the better.
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I didn't say it mattered...
Only pointed out that Latos was close to 200 innings. 6 innings short would qualify as close, wouldn’t it?
As to whether it actually matters, I guess there’s two ways of looking at it:
1. The 6-inning difference is an additional game for Latos, a game he, as a top rotation starter, could have done rather than someone of lesser ability, as nomar pointed out.
2. 200 innings is seen as the sign of a starter capable of taking heavy load. That’s what the Reds probably expect out of Latos, who has never pitched 200 innings in his career. In fact, before coming to the majors, he never pitched above 100 innings. The most was 72.1 innings 2009 over 11 starts (13 appearances). He’s being asked to take a larger workload since coming to the majors, and it remains to be seen whether he can handle it over a long term.
I believe. . .
if memory serves, that Latos was shut down early in 2010 on the basis of the whole Verducci effect thing. 2011, I’m not so sure, although he was also limited early because of some arm owie.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think Latos is proven
In the sense that he’s proven his minor league record and his skill sets have translated into an ability to dominate major league hitters.
His durability is not as proven, but if the Reds did their due diligence and feel the missed starts were not likely to raise his risk going forward (sore obliques from sneezing, at one point), then I think you have to go with Latos.
for the reds, a cheap starter was more important
their payroll is about as big as it can get as of now
It will be interesting, in a morbid way, to see
how someone with Latos’ record as a “hothead” fits on a team managed by Dusty Baker that includes Johnny Cueto among his fellow rotation stalwarts.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
well, they did get rid of Gomes and Hernandez so that's a few hotheads less to help him stir trouble
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Anything worth reading in the late night thread?
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that guy sounds like an idiot
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by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, the quick thinking that led to the flat tire was quite brilliant.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Getting her to buy the rubber
Nicely done.
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by Gibby45 on Dec 20, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
If Darvish signs for the same amount as Wilson...
he’ll have the highest AAV ever for a pitcher other than Clemens’ one year contract.
This is really insane.
Sign Roy O
I don't understand what the Rangers are doing.
Theoretically, they could have just signed C.J. Wilson for, say, $80MM over 5 years. Now they are going to pay $51.7MM as a posting fee and whatever Darvish’s salary is on top of that. As you note, the word is Darvish’s salary will approach Wilson’s. Why spend the $51.7MM on the posting fee?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Im certainly not advocating the Darvish posting,
but is there added value in the extra media attention? I vaguely remember Dice-K pitching a spring game in Jupiter against the Cards and the media was all over that, not to mention the in-season attention. They have to recoup some of that value, right?
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by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
They aren't recouping $52M with a couple of spring training starts.
The explanations are thus:
- They didn’t think that Wilson was worth that contract (and they’re probably right).
- They think Darvish is the better pitcher.
- Tom Hicks is somehow still pulling the strings in Texas.
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oh I agree
I just wasn’t sure if there was a way to put a dollar amount on all the hoopla he will bring
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by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
There isn't.
I think Darvish will be the best pitcher to come over since Hideo Nomo (similar age, similar stuff), and Nomo was worth 13 WAR his first three seasons in the big leagues.
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I didn't realize that Wilson was already that old.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Darvish has thrown...
1300 innings in the NPB, Wilson 700 in the MLB with 300 coming in relief.
Sign Roy O
Yeah, don't they pitch until their arms fall off in NPB? As in a lot of innings per start and lots of starts?
Apparently so, since he’s 25 w/1300 innings. Do they have minor leagues in NPB though?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
They get 6 days between starts most of the time
The number of pitches per start isn’t nearly as bad as it seems.
Not afraid to nitpick
So?
Darvish will have to put up nearly 11 more WAR in his five seasons that Wilson to justify the cost of the posting fee alone.
I don’t see what age has to do with it at all really, Darvish is the much more risky bet. Wilson has a proven track record of being a 3-4 WAR starter in the big leagues. Darvish doesn’t. Both are injury risks since they are pitchers. But to pay $52M more for the riskier pitcher doesn’t seem like very good business sense, especially when you have 2 very good starters in the high minors and a closer that you’re thinking about moving into the rotation.
They would have been better off spending $130M on Prince Fielder or half of Albert Pujols.
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Seems to me like Texas thought they were in an arms race with the Angels
so they’re being irrational.
I think it’s highly likely that the patient teams (Oakland, Seattle) in the West end up reaping the biggest benefits of this offseason when all these contracts inevitably start to look bad.
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Can't see Oakland reaping any benefits
They already traded Cahill and Breslow for a sack of peanuts (sure Parker is a good prospect, but hell, Cahill was a top 10 prospect in baseball when he was 21 and Parker has always been around 30th. And they are the same age!). I think they’ll come out on the losing end of any Gio trade as well.
by lopey986 on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you read the same Rany article I did today...
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7370324/the-mlb-prospect-bubble
The A’s had Cahill under club control for as many seasons (six) as they’ll have Parker. Cahill has already established himself as an above-average starter in the majors; Parker hasn’t. Cahill has been durable throughout his career; Parker has already had Tommy John surgery. While Cahill has proven capable of throwing 200 innings a year, some scouts are worried that Parker might be relegated to the bullpen if he can’t master a third pitch. Parker can’t even claim to have youth on his side — both pitchers are 23.
Parker will probably rank somewhere around no. 30 when the Top Prospect lists are unveiled next spring. It will mark the fifth straight season that Parker ranked in the top 50 on Baseball America’s list, which is itself a dubious distinction. But here’s the thing — in 2009, Cahill ranked no. 11. Cahill was judged to be a better prospect in his time than Parker is now, and Cahill has spent the last three seasons living up to expectations. How is it, then, that the A’s were willing to trade six years of Trevor Cahill for six years of Jarrod Parker?
A couple things...
Cahill hasn’t really spent the last two years living up to #11prospect billing. His control is a little sketchy and he doesn’t exactly have swing and miss stuff, though he is clearly a good pitcher.
The other thing is that while it is true that he is under team control for the next six years, his cheap years are behind him. He will cost $56 million over the next six years. If Parker turns into Tim Lincecum he’ll cost around $43 million. If he turns into Chad Billingsley he’ll cost around $25 million over his six years that are controlled by the team.
You could argue that Cahill needs to improve or his $13.5M options are in danger of not being picked up.
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Meh
Cahill doesn’t have to “turn into” anything to be a quality major league starting pitcher. Something something Bird in the hand vs bird in the bush, something something.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of folks mention Tommy John surgery in a pitcher's past as a future injury concern.
In the quote from the Grantland piece, this is written:
Cahill has been durable throughout his career; Parker has already had Tommy John surgery.
Is there a study that shows a pitcher undergoing Tommy John surgery is more likely to have future arm injuries?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
no that i have seen.
i’d think it could be construed as a positive, ie “already has TJ out of the way”
That's my inclination, too,
but I don’t have any medical basis for it.
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Funny. Yesterday I told another Crads fan.
That Shelby should just do it now and get it out of the way.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 20, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Or Cards fan. Whichever you orefer.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 20, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Crads fans are commonly understood and humorously accepted around here
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
too busy at work
I completely missed this discussion. The graft used to replace the torn ligament is stronger than the actual ligament, so it fails less commonly than the original. This is why it can be construed as a positive.
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thanks Doc, I thought that I'd read something of the sort but didn't want to go out on a limb
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
VEB is pretty darn knowledgeable for a baseball joint.
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by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
arm, limb, ligament, and joint comments, classic
VEB … Very funny
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I can't see it be thank you mbb
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
anecdotally
it seems to me to be more frequent among younger than older pitchers. This may be a survivor effect as opposed to an injury nexus effect, but even if so, it would suggest there is an age or stage beyond which the risk goes down. In which case, I’d rather have a post-nexus guy with no TJ than a pre-nexus guy with it.
Also anecdotal, I can think of at least two guys (Capuano and Kuo) who have had multiples. For them at least, there is clearly a predisposed risk factor. Can anyone else think of others with two or more TJs?
Xavier Nady is is the only other active player I know of who has undergone multiple TJs
speaking of which, that’s a player i wouldn’t mind the Cards taking a flier on if he can still play OF, and we don’t sign one of the people we want.
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Really?
He’s such an awful player though. The past three years have all been negative WAR. He’s always been bad at defense and now he can’t hack it with the bat.
I mean he has like a .300 wOBA in the past three years with a lucky BABIP. He’s a bad defensive corner outfielder. I’m not seeing much upside here. (He’s also only had one good season)
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hence why i said flier- cheap deal, see if he can get something back, if not cut him
maybe non roster invitee.
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Gaining a foothold in the Japanese market may cover a fair amount of the posting fee.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Who was the last Japanese player
to be worth more than his initial contract? There haven’t been too many.
Not sure a foothold in the japanese player market is the best use of cash. The Rangers should stick to dominating the Latin American market like they did back in the 90’s.
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I agree that the Japanese market is a tricky one.
My point was that the posting fee plus salary analysis is something more than just on-the-field production for Japanese All-Stars.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
not sure if this is what bgh meant
but getting a foothold into the Japanese fan and merchandising market could be very valuable (esp if Darvish pans out). This article is old, but it pins the marketing value of a high-profile Japanese player at around $11M per year in revenue, not to mention the increase in franchise value for a team with mostly regional appeal at present.
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think that article is very Ichiro-Sasaki-Hideki Matsui influenced.
I think for the Mariners teams that had those two guys the Japanese market was lucrative, but that had a lot to do with Ichiro and Matsui’s fame across the pond and the geographic location of Seattle (and it’s market of Japanese Americans) that it did anything else. I don’t think Kosuke Fukudome or Kaz Matsui had near the impact on Cubs/Mets/Rockies/Astros merch sales in the Japanese market.
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That's cause Fukudome and Kaz kind of sucked
Or, in Fuku’s case, were perceived to have sucked.
If Darvish plays at the level of Ichiro or Hideki, he’d probably generate similar revenue.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
That's part of the risk.
That’s not “built in revenue” for the Rangers. I don’t think Dice-K made the Red Sox much money either, and they put up a huge posting fee for him as well. What if Darvish comes over here and stinks on ice? Then they don’t make that revenue back, and I think those revenue figures are pretty damn lofty as it is.
Nothing is guaranteed, so the Darvish signing, even with the prospective Japanese revenue, is entirely more risky than just bringing back Wilson on a similar contract and saving the $50M to spend someplace else.
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No I agree
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It's more risky but the potential gain is higher.
Assuming that potential gain is higher by a large enough margin, the risk is offset.
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I don't think the gain is that much higher
It seems like pitchers’ ceilings are generally pretty capped. I’d say he has as good a shot of putting up a 5 WAR season as Wilson and maybe a slightly higher shot at 6 WAR.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with VEP on this
I mean, assuming that he’s worth $3M per year in Japanese market revenue, he would still have to be worth in excess of 1.5 WAR more than Wilson every season over a 5 year contract just to be equal in value.
Would you bet on that? I think Wilson is, at worst, at 3 WAR pitcher over 200 innings. So Darvish, even with Japan revenue, would have to be worth 4.5 WAR. That’s asking a lot when only a handful of pitchers in the big leagues can replicate that type of season every year.
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by fourstick on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WAIT EVERYBODY STOP HERE
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by mysterui on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
it does seem like VEB is peaking though
how much larger can a fansite for a St. Louis based sports team get?
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Best/Most knowledgeable fans in basedball
I’m even bound to get more knowledgeably as my understanding of SABR statistics and discussion has greatly expanded over the past year. I came across VEB roughly a year ago. I said understanding, not contributing to, mind you. I’m definitely not there yet but, I am practicing the craft and getting used to the tools of the trade.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Amen, that goes for me as well, not only picking up on
Baseball knowledge, but music, movies, tv shows, pizza, and other recipes..
by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 20, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
VEB ... Very Handy ©
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Also-Handsy
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Fingers have been involved recently, checking pulse’s and what not
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
HOLY SHIT THAT JUST HAPPENED AND THEN I SHIFT-A'D THE WHOLE THREAD OUT OF EXCITEMENT
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Can someone explain the
Japanese revenue?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
It was linked to in the thread by brackenthebox
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Aren't merchandise sales split between all teams anyway?
I think Fuku did bump Cubs’ sales… at first.
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by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Because just like any somewhat high profile free agent in Chicago
the fans went nuts and everyone bought a Fukudome jersey. Then they went out and bought hari kari headbands. Then they went out and bought the Horry Kow t-shirts. Then they all bought……
Seriously, is there a fanbase with more disposable income than cub fans?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Yeah, he's pretty big here too
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But how does that create additional revenue?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
an entire country buying your jersey?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Apparel revenue is split equally amount all teams
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
hmmmm.................
okay, I’m out of ideas.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
So, if an entire country buys the jersey, your revue goes up
And so does everyone else’s but yours still goes up
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
sbn'd ... yours still goes up = more revenue
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ok so the Rangers revenue goes up
Well so would ours and we didn’t spend $51M
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Which means that it doesn't really offset your posting fee
since everyone else is richer, while you’re poorer.
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If you buy at a team store I don't think it is.
Does that apply to online stores as well?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
One way would be licensing local broadcasts for distribution in Japan.
That could be huge.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think non-market and overseas broadcast licensing
is handled by MLB and distributed to all teams equally.
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Licensing from national broadcasts would seem to be
but I don’t know why local broadcasts would be, since they are already controlled by the teams and their broadcast partners.
If you have an authoritative cite to what you say, I’d be interested in seeing it.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
MLB-AM
http://www.jblearning.com/samples/0763728845/28845_CH19_Wong.pdf
The rights to foreign broadcasts would be retained by MLB-AM, with the exception of contracts given to DirecTV for foreign cable networks.
This changed with the 2007 contract negotiations and an effort to spread revenue more evenly among all the clubs.
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Sorry, I don't see where it says
MLBAM retains rights to foreign broadcasts in that document. What page?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's not explicitly stated. But foreign markets would be "out of market"
so the MLB-AM and DirecTV contracts would take precedence.
It’s no difference than licensing merchandise or anything else in that respect.
FWIW — I’ve worked on these licensing issues before since I work in the telecom industry.
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Yeah, maybe MLBAM or some other entity retains the rights to some or all games
but the link you referenced doesn’t say that. Also, even assuming some MLB entity retains internatinal broadcast rights to games that would only otherwise be broadcast locally, it does not mean that the local team would not benefit financially if the rights to broadcast Rangers games were sold to a Japanese broadcaster.
So my original point remains, there may be a big opportunity for the Rangers in licensing local broadcast rights in Japan.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 23, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
How does that $52M get paid out?
Does someone actually write out a check?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Barry Bonds?
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
ManBearPig
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
by pattimagee on Dec 20, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and non-sequential
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
thrown from the window of a moving car.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Like I was saying last night
I’m sure the teams take out a loan on that over a few years, no way they have $51.7M just laying around.
Not afraid to nitpick
Rangers want to go back to WS
And, I for one want to see them spend all the money in the world to do that for the next ten years. Go Nolan Ryan!
Just win
by The Duke on Dec 20, 2011 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Darvish will be much better than Wilson over the next 5 years
I wouldn’t want Wilson for that money and those years anyway.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Is he going to be 11 wins better though?
That’s the question.
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I don't think "11 wins" is the relevant test
Even putting aside the question of how much increased revenue from Darvish Texas expects (which ould be a sizeable number), I don’t expect Darvish’s posting fee + contract to be $50-55MM more than Wilson’s contract (5/$78MM). It could easily be a difference of $25-30MM, which is 5-6 wins. I expect Darvish to be 5-6 wins better than Wilson over the next 5 years.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
The rumored contract is supposedly in the range of what Wilson signed for PLUS the posting fee
In this case, the posting fee is the difference in the expense to the team between the two players. I’ve also heard rumors of the total amount being around $105M for both contract and posting fee, but that was before the posting fee was announced. I don’t like Wilson’s contract either, but I think I would prefer it to Darvish at the same amount plus the posting fee.
So if Darvish signs THE EXACT same contract as Wilson, he would need to be worth 11 wins more over 5 years to justify the cost.
And, as to your response below, the posting fee is not amortized over a long term. It is transferred by the posting team to the NPB team within 5 business days of the player signing a contract with the posting team. See the “Process” section here.
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Just because the posting fee is paid over at the front end, doesn't mean the team doesn't amortize it.
Think of it like buying a house.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Except with a much higher interest rate. . .
since Yu Darvish’s elbow ligament is not as marketable as a house.
Actually, post-2008, that might not be true. . .
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
So now their paying interest on it too?
In that respect, this deal gets worse and worse as we go along. It’s not like Yu Darvish is an asset that can be sold when it increases in value or an asset that can be written off if it doesn’t. The posting fee is sunk cost, so amortizing it just spreads the pain over a number of years (see Bobby Bonilla’s contract for how stupid that is) instead of up front.
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You never have enough Hideiki Irabus or Daiskes on a team. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Why would the AAV for the posting fee be added to his contract? The posting fee could be amortized over 30 years for all we know.
I also don’t think he’ll sign for the same amount as Wilson. Probably more like Dice K’s contract.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
6/103 would be pretty nutty too...
but not as bad as 5/125 or whatever.
And it doesn’t really matter how they amortize it. The asset is valuable for six years and they need to pay upfront.
Sign Roy O
I wonder if that's Jocketty's master plan?
By trading all that depth not for more depth but for one player they’ve made themselves a better, thinner team for a year or so—and they absolutely must win the division in that window.
Albert is gone from the division, there’s a 50/50 shot that Fielder will be as well – this might be him trying to capitalize on the opportunity.
I also think of this window as "the Votto window" because Votto is very unlikely to stay in Cincy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This was my thought also
Risk lack of depth for a better starter.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
what is with this win now at any cost culture in the nl central lately?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
It works
See WS 2011 champions
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
i remember reading standard PTBNL or cash language is $50k
doesn’t mean that is the case here obviously
blue jays don't respect rasmus enough to pay us for him?
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
i wonder what the relationship between raz and matheny would have been
and how that could have turned out
but we got a rind out of it so…
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Trading Rasmus isn't mortgaging the future.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
It certainly hurt it
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm coming around to the idea that a Zep and two top 50 picks are a reasonable long term return...
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Dec 20, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Zep is a starter, I agree
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think it has to do with the division itself
It’s not exactly the AL East/West (or NL East for that matter). To win now at any cost probably costs less resources than it does in other divisions. And doesn’t take as many wins as in other divisions to win claim this one.
by the same merit
it wouldn’t cost as much to win consistently
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
This is also always Jocketty's style
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Also Scott Rolen factor. Will be a stretch - but still possilbe - to have production from him for a year.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I found it interesting that more people were interested in Coco Crisp
in the poll last night than they were Cody Ross, who seems like the better player.
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Are you factoring in the value of a 'fro?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
'Fro money, 'fro problems
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 20, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Tandom 'fro
Opposing batters will have to peer over the pitcher’s shoulder to get a peek to see which of the tandom ’fro is out there.
Coco is a better athlete and more versatile
I voted for Beltran, but that’s my reasons for preferring Coco over Cody. I wouldn’t mind either.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I think they are equal players
But Ross is a better fit for our team as he mashes lefties, and would make a good platoon partner with Jay.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I voted for Beltran but Ross would be my second choice.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Coco's head is the same shape as Holliday's with a fro
Its just smaller
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Put them together and they're still smaller than Bonds' Jupiter-sized dome. .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
It just shows there are more people who like Coco better than Ross and Beltran as opposed to Ross better than Coco or Beltran
Instead of people who like Coco better than Ross.
Chances are that every single one of the people who voted for Beltran would have chosen Ross over Coco. We just don’t know because it because we weren’t ranking the three players.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I voted for Beltran and would have chosen Coco over Ross.
I’m not a Ross fan and think Coco will be cheaper in years and money, and more versatile (switch hitter, better defender, better baserunner).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
either way.
I was just pointing out that just because Coco had more votes it doesn’t mean that he’s more popular than Ross.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
As the designated cheerleader for COCO IN ALL CAPS
Ross is not the better player. He’s a marginally better hitter who is averageish/below in the corners and like -5 in CF vs. Coco being + in CF (unless we believe a guy who stole 49 bases at 85% lost his range in CF last year) and a much better baserunner in all ways.
Coco has basically been a 3 WAR/600 PAs player the past three years, he’s actually good.
Not afraid to nitpick
Over at Fangraphs
Chris Cwick asks “Who Will Play Center in St. Louis?”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Jon Jay defense was excellent in the minors
He had the highest Total Zone rating in center field in the minors of any Cardinal player including Rasmus
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he always seemed to me to be a little too chubby for a cf
because he has a pretty wide base (like e.g. walrus)
but he has done very well in center
that’s why he’s the chief
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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by d-dee on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kirby Puckett resembles your comment.
And takes offense to it as well….or….well…..at the very least, he’s rolling over in his grave.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Wait did you just call Jon Jay chubby?
What the fuck?
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
Then put Matt Adams there. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I finally looked up a picture of him.
Dude is not svelte.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I guess this proves that body types do not always mimic reality
/alwaysanexceptiontotherule
SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
That was one of the laziest Fangraphs articles I've seen
Very little actual analysis, besides listing UZR numbers and speculating, since with single season UZR numbers all you can do is speculate.
No analysis of what the two are projected to do next season, no cost benefit analysis based off expected salary numbers, no projections for how each will perform next season.
Can CircleChange not make an annoyingly long comment every time he posts?
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
This seems like an oddly fitting article for today's main post.
MLB Prospect Bubble
(grantland warning)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
That article was horrible, as a lot of the dreck that comes from grantland tends to be.
I still enjoy reading Simmons when it comes to the nba, there aren’t many writers who can match his nba knowledge or excitement. Enjoy jacoby and all his reality tv and bqbl posts well.
by lopey986 on Dec 20, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
annnnd I just realized I posted the link to this above.
FWIW I think Rany is great. And Jonah Keri. Plus I’ll read anything Wright Thompson writes forever.
I like Rany and Jonah Keri
BP hasn’t been the same since those guys left.
But this article was mailing it in dreck from Rany.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I just scanned it.
Does the piece really only discuss five trades?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Pretty much.
He claims he didnt “hand-pick” trades that prove his point, but it’s exactly what he did. He even made the claim the twins screwed up dealing Santana, which is wrong on a lot of different levels. The twins screwed up waiting as long as they did to trade Santana, but as a small market team they had no choice, it was either try to get prospects or lose him for nothing more than 2 draft picks. Hell, Santana really didn’t even work out for the mets so I’m sure the twins are glad they haven’t been saddled with his contract the last 3 years.
by lopey986 on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wright Thompson is the best sportswriter currently writing IMO.
lot of the older folks maybe were better at their primes, but i can’t think of anyone who writes better right now. his article on cricket in India was incredible, if y’all are ever looking for a good read.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
Joe P may be the best BASEBALL writer, but Wright is better, IMO.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
He wrote something on Vince Lombardi's house
last year that was eyeopening to me. Heard some people talk about him before then, but never read his work until then. I make a point to look for his writing ever since though. He also had a great piece on the Auburn-Alabama rivalry.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 20, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, those are my other two favorite Thompson pieces
he also writes about booze infrequently for Grantland, which i always appreciate.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
yeah, i was a disappointed.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
yeah, Simmons is a great NBA writer, but i have lost interest in his analysis of other sports
Jonah Keri is still GREAT when he writes baseball for Grantland though. not a fan of Rany. they really need to swoop in and pick up Joe Poz if they want their baseball writing to be top tier.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
Good luck with Joe...
He’s pretty entrenched at SI. It would take a Rick Reilly type of deal to get him out of there I would guess.
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oh, i know it's never happening
was just an off-the-cuff comment.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
Maybe we need
Nyger in CF? That should get Carp’s blood pressure up for his starts!
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
after every K, Carp would look back to CF and let out with a stream of obscenity!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I have principles
And one of those principles is: “No jackasses on my baseball team unless they are extremely talented jackasses.”
So: Chris Carpenter? Yes. Nyger Morgan? No.
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Nyjer (not Nyger) Morgan 2011 fWAR: 4.0
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
T-Plush is unlikely to repeat that season:
Career highs:
- BABIP .362
- ISO: .116
- LD : 25.7
- HR/FB: 4.6%
Career Lows:
- BB%: 4.4%
- Zone : 43.4
He’s much more likely to put up his 2010 season (1.1 fWAR, nearly half of which came from defense and baserunning) than he is to repeat his 2011 season.
I’ll take Cody Ross and his ability to get on base and hit for extra bases and NOT be a jackass.
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by fourstick on Dec 20, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ufbing absurd
never to be seen again
TLR is gone, long live the king
by sportsman on Dec 20, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as it breaks my prospect-loving heart
I think maybe trading some of them might be the best way to recover value that we desperately need. Trouble is, I’m not sure who we should target or even where on our team would be the best place to upgrade. Second base would be an obvious target but there is almost nothing out there.
How do you all feel about Brian Roberts? He’d probably be basically free and he’s been a star but he’s got a couple years of 10 million left on his contract and he’s not young anymore. And, of course, the real issue is his concussion and how that’ll affect him, which I can’t even begin to predict. But if you were looking for a Berkmanesque buy-low move on a vet, he might be a decent choice that won’t affect our long-term organizational viability.
I'm not all that keen on Roberts.
His salary, age, and recent injury history are enough to make me uninterested.
I don’t know who all would be available for trade now but I’d definitely be open to making gone at the deadline, depending on who is available. I think keeping some dry powder for such a move would be a good idea.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
sure sure
it’s a fairly risky move, but the cost in prospects is probably nil and I can’t see any better way to upgrade at 2b. The position is just deathly barren.
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Young.
Keith Law is convinced the diamondbacks want to trade him now that they signed Kubel. I would loooooove for the Cards to get him. He’s got about $25 million left on his contract over the next three years… Trouble is we don’t have what they want I don’t think. Maybe they’d be interested in Motte or one of the third baseman.
Sign Roy O
THAT WOULD BE AWESOME
They’re literally starting Ryan Roberts at 3B this year.
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
What would it take to get him? I assume a lot based on:
Young was worth 4.6 fWAR each of the last 2 years. Thats over $20M in value each year at $4.5M per WAR.
Young’s salary:(per Cot’s)
2012: $7M
2013: 8.5M
2014: $11M team option (1.5M buyout)
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton
They really need another good pitcher to go with Kennedy, Cahill, and Hudson...
the obvious guy is Garcia, but of course we wouldn’t do that. The Cardinals aren’t really a good partner unless they’re interested in replacing Goldschmidt with Allen Craig.
Sign Roy O
i mean, Trever Bauer should be there shortly
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
They only have three pitchers - Cahill, Hudson, and Kennedy
Bauer is four, and Skaggs might be five in 2013 or 2014. I think they could work in another pitcher. The problem is they are pretty good every where, so it’s hard to improve.
Sign Roy O
Baseball reference vs fangraphs
Chris Young is one of the cases where the calculation of WAR between these two sites greatly differs, and I assume it is due to the contribution of defensive WAR
Over the last two years, BR has him at 4.1 and 2.7 WAR, while fangraphs has him at 4.6 and 4.6. Thats a total difference of 2.4 WAR over the two years, which seems quite significant.
I’m not saying I don’t like Chris Young, I’m just commenting on the difference I saw which seemed significant.
Yeah, his defense was off the charts last year according to FanGraphs
I’m inclined to think he wasn’t a +15 run defender.
He’s probably around 4 WAR going forward, assuming good health.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
more, I'd think
there needs to be a big center piece prospect in there and not a pitcher. Maybe Taveras + MCarp does it?
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather just sign Beltran
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by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
seriously
Young’s salary is a bit higher than Beltran’s would be. And Beltran’s not much worse. No way I trade Tavares for him.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Defensively, I think Beltran would be far worse.
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Definitely
But he’s a much better hitter. Young’s probably a 4 WAR player and Beltran’s a 3.5 WAR player. Beltran’s definitely more an injury risk.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Can he be a much better hitter for 3 more seasons though?
Over the next three seasons, I don’t know that we can anticipate this. Next season, Beltran might be the better hitter, but after that? It’s hard to say since he’s 6 years older than Young is. Beltran strikes out less, hits for higher average, and has a higher career ISO than Young does, but the walk rates are pretty similar, and Young plays a very good CF.
We know that Young could stay in CF for the next three seasons and be better than average on defense. We can’t expect the same from Beltran.
All things being equal, I’d rather have Young. But I don’t see why we couldn’t make a run at both — they aren’t mutually exclusive.
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Er, Beltran had a .389 wOBA last year
And had a .380 wOBA over the past 3 seasons (1210 PA). Chris Young had a .330 wOBA last year and had a .334 wOBA over the past 3 seasons (1824 PA).
Young’s a lot younger yeah, but I think Beltran is still a far better hitter. He’s a borderline HOF and last year was tied for the highest wRC+ of his career. Maybe in year 3 they’ll be close.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I look at it this way:
For our club, we’re better off having the guy who can play CF and hit a little than they guy who can’t play CF and can hit a lot. I think Allen Craig is probably a .350-.360 wOBA player (or better) given 600 PA’s in a corner OF spot, and I think his defense is at least average in RF and maybe a little better than that in LF if Holliday were to move to RF to accommodate him.
I mean, acquiring both Beltran and Young make a lot of sense, but if it’s one or the other, Young is the guy I’d rather have, even if we have to give up some prospects to acquire him.
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agreed
i’m not sure i’d trade Taveras though- i am not particularly in favor of dealing either he or Wong. we need some top positional prospects in the organization. now, if it was like, Taveras straight up for Young, i’d probably do it, but i would imagine it would require Taveras in a package. i will again suggest that we trade Carlos Martinez while his value is extremely high.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
I think Martinez' value will peak next year
We’ll also have a lot better idea of what we have in Jenkins/Rosenthal/Swagerty/Cleto/Kelly at that point as well. He’s only 19, so I think it’s best to let him develop a little bit, face better hitters and have a chance for success — then we can trade him or one of the others if his breakout is overwhelming.
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Young is much better than Beltran...
he’s really improved as a hitter and he’s probably 15 runs better in center. Plus there’s no injury concern.
Sign Roy O
Yeah but Beltran would only cost money
Which we have a lot of post-Albert, while Young would presumably cost a lot more in terms of assets. Plus the commitment to Beltran would be less.
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
In all honesty
Why not just sign Beltran AND trade for Young? Craig spells Berkman against lefties and gets 400 – 500 PA’s giving days off in the outfield for Beltran, Young (Beltran shifts to CF), and Holliday.
That would be a great defensive outfield and for less than we were going to pay Pujols the next 3 seasons anyway.
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by fourstick on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Word I'm into it
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention:
Craig/Adams would be a RIDICULOUS first base platoon in 2013.
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Trade Jay?
I could do that.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I wonder what Jay's trade value is right now
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by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
As high as it's ever gonna be
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
It was a lot higher before the World Series
Getting benched for Skip Schumaker in the deciding games of the World Series is not going to bump your value any. And yes, I know that’s irrational, but so is the trade market.
I don’t know how much trade value he would have, but I could certainly see him being thrown into a trade for Young. He would be a good 4th outfielder for the D-Backs.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I would absolutely trade Jay as part of a deal for Young
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
But only if we sign Beltran also
Hell yeah!
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
you think Beltran will make less than 10 million?
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think he'll make around 10 million over a 3 year deal
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I've been guessing around 3Y$32-$39M or so for him
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It would cost us a little more than it cost the Braves to acquire Bourn I would imagine
I would think they’d be looking for pitching close to the majors or high value pitching prospects, and the Cardinals have a lot of depth in that department.
I think a package of Cox, Swagerty, and a B pitching prospect (Boggs, Kelly, etc) might get it done.
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I'd make that deal in half of a heartbeat
No, a quarter of a heartbeat
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rail LSD crystals off my friend's sternum to make that trade happen.
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rail LSD crystals off of ANYONE's sternum for that deal
amiwrong??
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
railing LSD crystals sounds like a good way to break your brain for good
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't seem that bad
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=375
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
that doesn't sound like LSD crystals
if you have real LSD crystals, all you need is a thumb print and even then, only if you are experienced and know what is going to happen to you.
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like someone has experience
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe you
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
that is a very unfortunate name though
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by d-dee on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
FWIW, "acid" microdots are typically other chemicals passed off as acid.
not that real microdots aren’t out there, but it’s really easy to put a 2C-X, DOC, etc in a microdot and pass it off as acid.
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I'm rec'ing that for the out of left field "necromancy" lesson
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That's when you fall in love with a dead Ophelia:
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd for Pre-Raphaelitism
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
I do like Millais a lot
but some of the Pre-Raphaelite stuff gets tiresome for me.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
It degenerated pretty quickly into mannerisms
but if you sensitize yourself by basking for a couple of weeks in the varnished glow of the Academicians and then go back to Hunt or Rossetti you realize how absolutely radical they were.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Yeah, and they are great on their own merits
I actually am quite a fan of the academics too. So I’m not really picking sides or anything.
I do get a little freaked out by Rossetti sometimes, because he basically uses the same face in every painting. I realize you could say the same thing about Da Vinci and other painters as well, but that model (I forget her name) has such an unusual face that it starts to get weird to me.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Elizabeth Siddall, and "unusual" is kind.
But I think the weirdness is deliberate, and more DGR than Liz.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Does John William Waterhouse count as a Pre-Raphaelite?
Anyway, I love love love 19th century painting. It was a thrill for me recently to get to go to the Metropolitan in New York. All of a sudden I found these small sections with Bouguereau, Winterhalter, Gerome, etc. It was pretty cool to see some paintings in person that I had become obsessed with at one time or another.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The Tate Britain was awesome for Pre-Raphaelite stuff.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Sort of a post-pre-Raphaelite
I’ve never seen a P-R painting in propria persona.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
I could never really tell
The subject matter was kind of similar but his style seemed more academic to me.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The subject matter is in many cases identical,
and you’re exactly right: Waterhouse is second-generation, after the revolution was over.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Are you an art history teacher or something?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
No, I used to be a lit/crit person
but the end of the 19th century was My Period, and My Guy was a friend of William Morris and, for a while, an art critic, so I had to learn this stuff.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Well I had to Wikipedia William Morris
I have learned something yet again on VEB.
Who was the friend?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Bernard Shaw
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
He detested the name.
That’s useful to know for serious academic one-upmanship.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
if you want a detailed explanation as to WHY this is, i can do that too!
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
yeah I heard it's hard to get real acid now
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
it is
you may have read the article written about the chemist guys who got busted in a missile silo a few years ago- estimates were they were responsible for 95% of the acid in the USA. obviously the market will catch up eventually, but it’s not an easy chemical to make.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
the fact that we all want it
Means it will never happen.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 20, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'd do that deal so fast you'd strain your neck trying to see it happen
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
Chris Young would be an interesting player
He seems a lot like what we all hoped for from Rasmus… low average hitter, sure, but takes a good amount of walks, has some power, steals some bases, has played very good defense in center overall.
He also would add some right handed pop to our lineup
Which we will need now.
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Yeah, that too
I wasn’t even thinking about that.
Chris Young strikes me as very similar to B.J. Upton, skill-wise. And actually, B.J. Upton is younger, which I did not expect.
He's kind of what Colby was supposed to be
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Chris Young career WAR per 600 PA: 2.51
Colby Rasmus career WAR per 600 PA: 3.0
Courtesy of FanGraphs.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Iiiinteresting...
Though, I don’t think anybody here is saying that Colby won’t be that kind of player necessarily. Colby can’t be that kind of player for us anymore, since we traded him.
Chris Young has made significant forward progress in his game...
Rasmus has gone the opposite direction.
Sign Roy O
WAR per 600 PA over the past 2 years
Young: 4.17, Rasmus: 2.88
And that’s assuming UZR is right in it’s valuation of the two. Young had an 8.3 UZR/150, and Rasmus had a -10.2 UZR/150. I think the actual gap in fielding value between the two is a lot smaller than that.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
How many times has Colby had 600 PA's?
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seems pretty arbitrary
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also, TLR
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Well, sure
But I find it hard to believe that Rasmus would project to be worth as much as Young over his next 600 PA’s, much less his next 1200-1800.
Young is the right handed version of what we thought Rasmus was going to be, but Rasmus hasn’t demonstrated that he can be that guy yet. I think his immaturity really showed after the trade in the way he played and carried himself in Toronto. I’m less sure that he’s going to make it now than I’ve been.
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I don't think Young has been that much better than Rasmus
He’s been about 1.2 WAR better over the past two years, and that comes with some suspect defensive ratings (I doubt that Young is a +10 defender and Rasmus is a -10 defender).
Young is probably a bit better going forward (if you’re basing it off the stats) and Rasmus is younger.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I like Upton more, actually
I think his upside is greater than Young, but the Rays drive a hard fucking bargain, and I’d rather be assured 3 seasons of a player than just one if I’m giving up prospects.
If we’re going to make a run at Upton, I’d just sign Beltran to a 3 year deal and then make a run at Upton once we know that Beltran can’t play CF (should be around July of next season) and then try to sign him to an extension when Berkman leaves after 2012 and my Craig/Adams platoon moves to 1B and puts up 10 WAR.
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Yeah, who knows what it would take to get Upton from the Rays
Also, the idea of a platoon of Craig and Adams sounds so fun… I don’t know if it would be wise to spend two roster spots on first base, but Craig at least can play other positions.
Why not?
Craig could back up all the corner positions in the OF/IF and Adams would give you a great LH pinch hit bat off the bench when he’s not playing.
I think that makes a ton of sense for the amount that it would cost and would allow our club to spend a ton of money upgrading the rest of the roster.
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It's just my instincts based on the whole "premium position, defensive spectrum" thing
Obviously it doesn’t really matter if it’s done right. And there’s a compelling case for it. If we spend our resources wisely on the other positions there’s really no argument against it.
im curious what his power would look like outside of chase field
he OPS’s nearly .100 less on the road over his career
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That's not a very unusual split
Nearly all players hit a lot worse on the road.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
true.
the balls just fly out of chase field. it concerns me to acquire someone who has succeeded in a notable hitter’s park.
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Like... Matt Holliday?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
do you LIKE like Matt Holliday?
or just like Matt Holliday?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Like Matt Holliday?
One anecdote doesn’t invalidate your concern, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
WAR already adjust for park
So you have to show that Chase effects Young more than it does the average player. Which it probably does as he’s a power hitter, but I don’t think it’s nearly as much as his observed split.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
Compare Young’s home/road splits to an average NL hitter’s home/road splits and see if there is a big enough difference to cause concern. Busch’s run suppression makes Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman all the more impressive, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
holliday is a different kind of hitter, though.
i do agree with your point, but he’s been a high average, high OBP guy who also has some power. but young survives on his power. he doesn’t hit for average and he doesn’t get on base (although he has a decent walk rate). so take away some of matt holliday’s power, and he’s still a great hitter. take away some of chris young’s power, and there isn’t a lot left.
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And just how much do we like guys who don't get on base
Not much
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Chone Figgins
I’m just going to throw his name out.
I’m sure there is no way we are interested if Seattle doesn’t eat half of his salary, and I’m not even sure he’d be worth it even after that, but he could use a change of scenery.
If the dude could figure out what half of what he had figured out in 2009 he would be a nice fit at the top of the order.
2009 was 3 years ago, that's an eternity for a guy who's going on 34 years old.
Not to mention: Where would he play? He was Schumaker levels of bad at 2B in 2010 in part time work, and we have a boatload of third baseman in the pipeline, so he’s not getting any time there. Seattle would pay 2/3 of his salary to unload him, but why would we even think about doing it?
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I was thinking 2B.
Yeah, I initially thought it was intriguing but the more I look into it the more I don’t like.
As long as we're throwing names out...
Torii Hunter. I know there’s something embarrasing about approaching the Angels to help patch a hole that they created, but he’s a FA next year, and if they paid $9-12 mil of his $18 mil, he would give us some surplus value in RF. They have this awkward logjam between Hunter/Abreu/Trumbo/Morales/Trout, and if we miss on Beltran and Crisp is too much, I’d think about it.
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by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure why Trumbo/Morales is on there
I would guess that one or both of those guys are traded or cut prior to ST rather than them eating $6M to trade Hunter, who is still a pretty valuable player. If we’re paying $12M, why not just sign Beltran and keep our prospects?
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Well, like I said, the caveat was that we miss on Beltran
But I take your point. I’d rather have Beltran too than literally every other free agent right now, and I’m generally opposed to trading prospects right now when we have a surplus of cash.
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by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Abreu/Wells
will likely split the DH role this season I would imagine. If I’m managing the Angels, my outfield is Bourjos/Trout/Hunter with Abreu/Wells platooning at DH. So Morales and Trumbo are the odd men out with Pujols at 1B.
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why don't we agree to take Vernon Wells and Peter Bourjos for nothing
we clear up their logjam, give them enormous salary relief and get an incredibly valuable young CF for nothing.
i feel like i’d almost make this deal. i’d need to think about it for a minute though.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
The headline would read: "FlimtotheFlam is really hurt, and cried"
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
#flimcrieswhen the cardinals sign vernon wells instead of aaron miles
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Why would the Angels do that?
They seem to be fine with signing $400M of contracts (Weaver, Pujols, Wilson) with Wells already on the payroll, so why wouldn’t they just deal Bourjos for actual talent and eat Wells’ contract?
Doesn’t trading for a worthless $20M player negate the fact that Bourjos is cost controlled and cheap? Especially when other, better, cheaper options are on the market? I’m fine with giving up a couple of prospects NOT to have Vernon Wells albatross hanging on my team’s neck.
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yeah, it was a stupid idea
although Bourjos is worth the Vernon Wells salary plus his own.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
Chone Figgins is one of the few players that...
has actually been worse than Skip Schumaker over the last few years.
For the love of GOB, no.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
VEB has wanted Brian Roberts ever since I've been visiting here
10s of thousands of comments ago
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
And Rich Harden.
And Barry Bonds….
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Can someone explain how ZIPS does defensive projections?
I don’t get it.
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions
Actor Jonah Hill (Moneyball) turned 28 today
Sabermetricians immediately sneered at the use of a “counting statistic” to describe his age and began an impassioned debate over the merits of fYAR vs. bYAR to characterize his relative age..
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
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28 is the typical average peak-acting season
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
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by lightbulb on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm getting caught up on last night's post
and I think its funny that the Late Night VEB post was posted before 9pm. VEB is getting old.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
In our defense,
the main post was well in excess of 1,000 comments so I just posted the thread then. I don’t deny that I am getting old, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah, late night for me is normally 9-11
unfortunately I was out Christmas shopping (ugh!) so I wasn’t online. VEB has been very active this off season. I just can’t keep up. Can you guys do any reporting on the trending of the number of comments over the years?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I don't have access to that information
but maybe Azru or Dan does.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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based on the archives
Courtesy of wget and grep
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Has VEB peaked?
VEB has been in the SBN for seven years, and lots of critics always thought it blogged above its alleged age. One has to wonder if it has reached a plateau or may even start seeing a steady decline.
I remember when VEB changed it's stance
and went from ‘F5, CTRL +F, ’ to a simple “z” and really started cranking out comments.
Wait… we’re Jose Batista?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
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you know, Batista is just Bautista with a little something removed. . .
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ability?
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boboisatranny joke ruined
thanks d-dee!
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i'm gonna go stand in the corner and think about what i've done
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while you're over there
do a calf stretch
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by scoot on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HAVE WE REACHED PEAK VEB!?
WE NEED TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE COMMENTS
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A little more playing over lunch
Each point represents a single post. The vertical axis shows the number of comments. They’re ordered in time from left to right. Enjoy.
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Ooooh pretty
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Looks like a Christmas tree!
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yey
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 15 recs
Make it Green!
And Red!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Note the little blips near the end of 06 and the bigger one at the end of this year
I wonder what caused those?
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
DENSITY
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Dec 20, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Skip Schumaker
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There was a blip at the end of 07 also
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
give yourself over to siren song of the confirmation bias
and you don’t even notice it
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Did anything in particular happen at that time?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
The last post in that cluster is this
link. So it was the stretch run of ‘07. Which is the last game of a 1-11 stretch of suckitude. I’m guessing we were just bitching about it, but who knows.
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
What do greyed out usernames' mean?
A. Banned
2. User deleted account
3. Hasn’t logged on in x so account is deactivated, in sleep mode, stasis etc.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
#3
I believe those users never logged on after SBN 2.0 was rolled out.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
so if they logged in now they might go back to red then?
No idea why I’m even asking the follow on question, never mind
But thanks for the answer azru
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Is so are these old user names transferable?
VEB black market rubs hands together
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
before the conversion
it was possible to have duplicate screen names since the blogs weren’t linked and you had to sign up for each blog specifically.
after the conversion, all blogs were linked together and you had to claim your screen name if you were an existing member of any of the blogs, however if you and another member had the same screen name, the member with the longest tenure held the rights to the name.
soooo, some of these could also be duplicate names where the member didn’t have “waiver priority” in claiming the name.
or, maybe they just were against the formation of an entire SB “Nation” under one flag and decided to secede?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
the union must prevail at all costs!
Thanks Tackle box. Also, I’m glad I’m in post SBN unification times and not pre-unification times…easier to add other blogs as it sounds it was a real pain before
hmmmm perhaps explains Action Jaxon?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
it was 5000 people all posting "at least we don't
Have to watch kip wells pitch anymore."
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 20, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Some days had multiple posts / overflow threads
wouldn’t comments per day be more valuable than comments per post ?
Just asking.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 20, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't grab the dates in the script
I’ll leave that type of analysis to people with direct access to the data.
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
but based on look at the high-comment-count posts
You’re completely right. They’re not what you’d expect, probably due to that phenomenon.
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Also
I think if the goal is to assess “growth”, it would be useful to plot the number of comments per day from different users. I’ve seen threads here with like 75 comments from two guys about bacon, and that just doesn’t seem like it would represent much “growth.” Maybe Echo Chamber index.
Of course, what I’m suggesting is more “activity index” than growth. Growth would likely just be the number of registered users visiting the site within X period of time.
...
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Holliday
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I wouldn't be surprised if he lost one of his "Ls" after that linedrive.
he wasn’t even wearing his dong glove.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Then what is that one in early (March?) 2010?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
The contract extension? Possibly.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
And a summary
incoming clerihew
Colby Rasmus and Dues-Paying
there was something about who we were playing,
which parts of the wire were bad,
and shark-jumper: Scrubs or Colby’s dad?
by DanUp
"He probably misses his old glasses."
DO I SEE SOME HETEROSKEDADICITY?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Heteroskedasticity*
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yeah
The variance in comments per posts has increased over time. That’s classic heteroadskjfas.
Although I wonder why there are so many low comment posts. Does this include fanshots?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Er actually, the standard error might not be larger if taken as a percentage
So it might not be heataeshlsdagh.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't have anything to do with percentage
It’s just if the variance from, say, Jan2006 to Jan2007 is different from the variance from Jan2008 to Jan2009
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
But that's because the mean is much greater
When you have a higher mean, you expect more variance. So you have to standardize the variance somehow.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn't mean this graph doesn't exhibit heteroskedasticity though
To fix the issue, you’d look at the logged data, and as bracken notes, you’d probably be right
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yes, to this point
The variance in the semilog plot looks pretty constant
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
too many pics
but you can see it here
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
thats cool
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was greater variance in the error generated when measuring comments...
I think I’m one degree too meta.
Sign Roy O
oh I dunno
that’s a different type of error.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
It's funny...
every month more and more of my graduate education drains away lost forever but my loan payments remain fixed.
Sign Roy O
Yeah, you're too incepted
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It's when the standard deviation or variance isn't standard over time
Which is absolutely true in this case
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Remember when graphs of VEB comments used to be smaller and more tightly focuses?
It seems like the last couple of years our data visualization has become more diffuse and kind of all over the place on the Cartesian plane.
it was better, before we had the edit function
now people just post crap without hitting preview, assuming they can fix it, and then forget to do so.
DEATH TO THE DEVIL EDIT FUNCTION,VEB!
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
it's all about looking pretty.
why do you think we resigned Skip?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
and yet, you still posted patterson below
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Let's see
the blue dot indicating nearly 2,000 comments in late 2009 … would that be the Matt Holliday/Ryan Franklin Game 2 TESS? What would be the one that appears to be the spring of 2010, I wonder? And is the dot equally high in 2011 be Game 6?
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
those are
this
this
and this
respectively.
Narratives aren’t easy to find, probably because overflow threads mask the huge days, and because it’s hard to know when VEB will decide to start dispensing love advice.
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
says the guy who has a ww2 vet for his avatar
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
daniel-descalso-looks-old joke
ruined
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Nah he still looks old timey even in color
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm rewatching Band of Brothers
I’m with you on this d-dee. He fits right in with the rest of Easy Company.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
OT - Anyone in the STL area ever been to Hodak's?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
YES
Its a magical place
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ive never been there and i'm considering it as an option for my christmas party
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
My assistant is off so it falls to me. Party planning is not my thing.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
You may want to call Hodaks
As they are probably pretty busy and there are only three shopping days left until Christmas.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
His office party consists...
of three guys and some hookers. They can probably just show up.
Sign Roy O
Hooters
is always a good place for a party
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
Hooters has disgusting food that is overpriced.
[Insert joke here about not going for the food.]
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I also find it to be a depressing and uncomfortable place to be.
But I suspect I’m in the minority on that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
well, yeah
I’ve never been though but I assume so based on watching South Park
by purple_haze on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Last time I went
3 girls I knew worked there. My father was impressed
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
blasphemy
I went to the casino last night and played some crazy Texas Hold’Em table game were you just play against the dealer. I just kept thinking about this
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
when I play that game
I either come home with a few hundred dollars, or I lose 10 hands in a row and go home pissed off…theres never any middle ground
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
i haven't been there since i was like 21ish
as you can guess the Hooters in Cbus was not that good. even a little bit. like at all
Balls
It is uncomfortable.
More uncomfortable than eating there: going to see your girlfriend at work there.
Related misery: asking your girlfriend working as a dancer how work was. You’ll learn very quickly not to do so.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
i enjoy how you have a dating story for just about every situation.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
It actually makes me feel bad about myself.
It doesn’t stop me from sharing, but I don’t particularly like what it says about me.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
eh. i don't think it says much more than that you are willing to share.
i mean, i actually worked at hooters for about 6 hours. what does that say about me? wait, don’t answer that.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
That's somewhat true,
but trust me, looking back over my romantic history is not the sort of exercise any sane human being would take pleasure in. Anytime something like this comes up, I immediately open my mouth, tell a funny story about something, and then sit here while all the other horrible things I’ve ever done play in my head. And the list, in this capacity at least, is longer than I would care to admit to anyone.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
take it easy on yourself man
unless you are rui, everyone has a dating history they aren’t proud of. if things had worked out, you probably would have gotten married and not dated anymore people, right?
when i think of my dating history, i’m really embarrassed and mad at myself about the crap i put up with from guys. and sometimes i share those stories out loud and feel even worse.
until i remember that sometimes you have to go through all that to figure out what will really actually make you happy.
(like, i learned that having my boyfriend throw champagne in my face at a party in front of 30+ people is not something i like. i may have never learned that otherwise!)
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I appreciate the commiseration.
And it may not be as bad as it seems to me at times. But it’s still pretty rough. Plus I just had a phone conversation with a friend of mine about relationships — his isn’t doing so well — and that’s got me a bit down being honest about how I work internally. (Not a euphemism.)
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm very proud of my dating history as well!
I went on dates with four girls in my entire lifetime. Went on three dates with a girl when I was 21, dated one for a year when I was 22, one for six months when I was 23, and married my wife who I met when I was 25.
(note: my one/two/three night stand record was nothing to be proud of.)
"He probably misses his old glasses."
especially if it's random enough
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
how about strangers on a train
you do me a favor, I do you a favor, completely random. No motive
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I have a theory that you should do everything before you die.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I have the perfect weapon right here: these two hands.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I admire people who do things.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
seriously
I’ve never heard of a guy throwing a drink on someone. I know of no man who has done it, nor, any women who dated with men who did it. It just doesn’t seem like a guy thing- we value our beer. If we’re really angry, we typically walk away, then finish our beer.
I know several men who have had drinks thrown upon them, but that was usually due to mistranslation.
This story must be told.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
honestly i don't even remember
we were fighting about something. given our history, he likely thought i was flirting with another guy. the better story is when i was in mexico with this guy and one night he leaves the bar all pissed off, goes back to our hotel room, takes all my money and ID and takes off for the airport without me.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
that you don't know how to cook hotwings
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Dec 20, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, and the fact you worked at Hooters tells me exactly one thing about you.
Or two things about you, depending on how you want to group things.
Tee-hee.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Does these things have anything to do with buying really terrible gifts for women?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Perhaps.
But perhaps not.
But perhaps.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
the fact that i quit after 6 hours probably says more about me than anything else
that, and that fact that i quit to take a job delivering fucking deli sandwiches
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
jason's deli
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
yeah i don't know if they're in the midwest
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
well i live in ohio
which if you look on a map is about as midwest as zona or new mexico are.
was this when you were in portland?
Balls
tucson
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
They are in the heart of the Midwest:
Des Moines, Iowa.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yep, there is one in the (chesterfield) valley
I ate there when I worked in chesterfield. Good stuff.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
you worked at that place?
AWESOME. Its like all my stereotypes of america are slowly coming true.
Bursting into song.
i should elaborate
i was employed by hooters for six hours. i went in, filled out all my paperwork, got my schedule, etc. i was going to have my first shift the next day. i really needed money. then later that day i got a call from another place i had applied and they said i got the job. so i quit hooters.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
She interned at Hooters.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rui would be so proud.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 20, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We need an expert to answer this:
Rui?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I briefly dated a dancer once, it was twice actually, bud-a-ding
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's painfully uncomfortable
Being fake flirted with is always uncomfortable with. A strip joint is all the more uncomfortable except at least there’s a far greater…..upside.
I was friends of friends with some of the Mizzou Hooters girls and my god was every stereotype true with that group.
Not afraid to nitpick
i agree re being fake flirted with.
it’s just awkward. unfortunately most sports bars are that way.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Everybody says this
But no one ever goes there.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Perhaps because they'd rather have good wings than okay wings, if they're going out for wings?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
there wings have hair growing out of them
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
someone has an assistant?
hand over the monocle, RR
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
It's actually his wife
he works from the basement.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Not surprised, just about everything on that side of the Missouri blows
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
So is that where your mother resides?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
busted!
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Ding Ding Ding!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Overrated
Lemmon’s > King Edwards Chicken and Fish > Porter’s > Hodak’s
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Can you do the same for the better side of the Missouri river?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
That is the better side of the Missouri River
(I was speaking of the Crestwood King Edward’s)
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I refuse to cross the Missouri unless it is necessary for me to continue life
Only things such as; Baseball, Hockey, and occasionally work will get get me out of my safe zone
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Todays thread contains more mentions of the Missouri River
than I had previously heard living here for 7 1/2 years combined.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
you're welcome?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Missouri River'd
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Lewis and Clark would be proud of VEB today.
Now everyone go kill a buffalo!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I can see it from where I'm sitting right now
> tebow
by cschepers on Dec 20, 2011 3:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I have everything to the west
You have Illinois
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Enjoy Nebraska and Kirksville, then
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well played
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
actually to get to Nebraska, you'd have to cross the Missouri River again
so that’s off limits
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Well then...
I guess we know what to call I-70
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 20, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
kenny loggins references always deserve a rec
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Umm, six row, ferguson and ofallon breweries
Pappys(or preferably Bogarts if you have time before 4pm) and trattoria marsella(everybody raves about the lobster risotto, which is fantastic, but they have the best Bruschetta ever) and that’s just a cursory plug for food and beer
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 4:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you. I get in a rush sometimes
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
love king edwards so much
i’d be 300 lbs if I ate there as often as I’d like
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 2:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Lemmon's for everything
I go there sometimes for movie night or trivia
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Are we still talking about fried chicken? Or just overall?
The one time I went to King Edward’s the chicken was remarkably bland and therefore I’ve never given the place a second chance. Did I get a misprepared batch?
I should also note that I prefer my fried chicken spicy and tend to prefer Porter’s for fried chicken.
Honestly
Lee’s chicken is my favorite in STL
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, someone who's not analyzing soccer games right now
Do an analysis of Winter Warmup autograph prices vs projected WAR and 2012 salary assuming that the purpose of the prices is for everyone to sell the same number of autographs
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
While youre at it, want to analyze my soccer team?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
AC St. Louis: Not financially viable
Done
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
heh
girls soccer is painful unless you have Wambach, Rapinoe and my personal favorite….Alex Morgan
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Her Twitter picture right now, is, um
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
umm... yah!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Dont know what it looks like, but she would fit nicely in my stocking
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
gat dam
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and the one of her in the chair...
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
she's absolutely gorgeous
and she knows it…..sigh
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Really?
I find Alex Morgan quite fetching.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
from looking at her twitter pic, and that's the only pic i've ever seen of her
i don’t think she’s good looking at all. she’s kind of manish looking, like the women ARod likes
Balls
this
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
You have preposterously high standards.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
the unemployed guy who claims he only flies first class?
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
i've never flown first class in my life
i said if i could, in the future i would only fly private
Balls
haha, that's right
i wasn’t thinking absurd enough
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
who are these guys? did they win something?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Just not my type but yes I have seen men who obviously like this type i.e. they are married to or dating someone with this build
Just not my thing
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
yes the 13 lye's nicely on her uni
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
You realize women wear sports bras when they play sports, right?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Hahahah yes of course
But her’s seems especially effective and that’s as far as I’ll go
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
beauty is in the eye of the beholder
next time this comes up i’ll be sure to slam you alls taste in women
Balls
My apologies if I offended
thought she was <em>not your taste either
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 22, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
it's like she's Boog's little sister, or something
and now I’m sad, again.
(yes, I realize this post is 10 days after anyone will ever read this thread).
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
what is wrong with you
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 20, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
(Ohio)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
lies
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
is this a major problem for you?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
it's getting bigger isn't it? Or is it just me?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Obligatory
TWSS
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
and no
same size sig as it has been since minor league playoffs ended
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
how old were you then?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
at the end of the minor league season?
26
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I keeed
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I still wear my AC scarf...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
What about Red and Lou?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Glad he'll be in the AL West
in another year. I can root for him that way.
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton
by redbirds34 on Dec 20, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they make sense for the verge
they make no sense for sbnation
by brackenthebox on Dec 20, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Couple of questions:
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
What is my favorite color?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
No, sorry.
That is the answer to What is my favorite color if you ask my wife?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
red, of course
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
You just won the home version of VEB!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Hey you dang woodchucks
quit chuckin’ my wood.
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
enjoyed that commercial
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
and here they are
Sean Marshall is available. Would the cubs trade him to us and what would it take to get him?
Also, will the A’s get more for Gio than the pads got for Latos?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
No need for Marshall
Rzep and Romero should be fine on the left hand side of the pen.
Depends on who’s still in for Gio. I’m pretty sure they’re not topping that trade though.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
annnnnnnd I still don't want him.
He will make $3M next season, which would make him our highest paid reliever. He will then be a free agent. He’ll likely then give us no more than a supplemental pick in return. So we’d be trading a prospect for one year in return for paying $3M to a pitcher we really don’t need to get a prospect who is further off from the major leagues in return.
Not sure why we would do that.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
He might be a viable starter, I think
I’m not really sure why the Cubs never gave him a fair shake in that role, personally.
yeah
He’s another tally to Dusty’s total, imho. 2006 was way too soon for him to be an MLB starter (roughly 50% increase in IP at age 23, between AAA and MLB, ugh). At this point, I wouldn’t trade anything worthwhile for him, but I thought he could’ve been Jaime light at one point.
OTOH, I would love to see him be the Dave Duncan reclamation project of 2013.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
He might be...
But he never touched 95 mph as a starter like he has in the bullpen.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Not that anyone is taking requests...
but this was one of my favorite posts of all time. I can’t imagine what the Ten Millionaries club would be like now (1 year changes a lot). I hope they still serve orange slice…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
by pattimagee on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Well at least he's not GM
Ed Wade, Phillies Special Consultant!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Here's a good article on BP
Why there aren’t standout GMs anymore
What I learned: Mozeliak has BP on his bookshelf
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yeah I agree that there are more saber GM's than before
But the majority of GM’s are still old school. Only Hoyer, Luhnow, Huntington, Antonetti, Beane, Zdurienkasdf, Friedman and Anthopoulos are guys who you could call saber GM’s. Definitely it’s becoming harder to build a good just by being a smart GM, but it’s still a big advantage.
The example of the Pirates is ridiculous. They have improved in all areas since Huntington took over. Of course they haven’t become a contender right away, there is only so much you can do.
I agree with the quote from Epstein, and ultimately that’s what the pinnacle of sabermetrics is: quantifying the optimal weight given to stats and scouting.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
How is Zduriencik more than Mozeliak?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Their approach to defense
Signing a lot of F.A.T. (Langerhans, Chavez). Those are typically things saberists advocate as the best way to find cheap value.
Mo is close, and he’s definitely more saber inclined that the average GM, but he’s made a lot of questionable moves and hasn’t done much to surprise me in the cheap value department (with the exception of Berkman and the Waino/Jaime extensions).
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Aren't all of those teams very different franchises from the Cardinals?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Not really
They all play baseball. The goal is to buy as many wins as possible given the payroll. The Cardinals may have more money to spend that those other teams (except Seattle) and are higher in the win curve (except TB), but that doesn’t excuse poor signings and trades (think Doug Fister vs. Kyle Lohse). It does excuse signings like Holliday, but it doesn’t take a genius to give someone 120 million dollars.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I really like my dell
It was actually really easy to overclock it
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
YES
and by what my experience tells me – dell hates us right back
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
My dad bought me this laptop years ago without asking me what brand/model would be best
and in the last year the hard drive and now the motherboard have failed. And the service has been terrible. And I’m not complaining about average tech support (because it’s all frustrating) the support in general sucks.
Plus, the whole Dell knowingly shipped millions on computers with faulty parts thing
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, those assholes have been doing that for years
but my boss still insists we buy dell
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Without the extended warranty the cost on parts would have probably been more than the original laptop
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
you call dell or go to the store they bought it
and scream LEMON and insist they either give you the money back or replace it with a news machine
don’t take no for an answer, be insistent and don’t let them give you a runaround
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
woo the dispatch is coming today to replace the damn motherboard
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
if a third thing fails, invoke lemon law and give someone an earful
or let me, i enjoy yelling
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I'll just yell it into the phone next time
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
guess what!
Dell didn’t ship all of the parts they should have!
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Commencing yelling in ...
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?!?!?!
unfreakinbelievable
actually if it’s dell and affiliates, i expect even the most idiotic
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
2 minutes
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Now I have to mail it in for like a week because there are a thousand things wrong with it
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
lemon law damn it
do not send it in
throw a fit and get your money back
pull all the stops, tell them you make hardware purchasing decisions for your business and after this treatment you will never order from them, tell them you will advise anyone and everyone you know not to buy from them, tell them you’ll call the better business bureau
demand your money back!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
"Thank you for your input ma'am"
“Unfortunately thanks to Americans constantly looking for the lowest prices in computers, we only made $12 profit on this notebook. We’ve lost that talking to you. "
It's under warranty.
I’m not paying for anything
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Dude.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
by pattimagee on Dec 20, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My overall rankings based on my limited personal experience, sample size in parenthesis
Toshiba (1) A
Dell (11) B-
Gateway (1) B
Compaq/HP (1) D-
Sony Vaio (1) F
I considered value, reliability, user-friendliness (e.g. ease of re-installing OS and drivers).
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Lenovo (2) A
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Toshiba's are pretty bad
The touchpad is way to sensitive – I always end up going back in my browser somehow while I’m in the middle of a VEB comment.
And the worst thing is that ever 3 hours or so the internet stops working and I have to restart the computer to get it back.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
It depends a lot on which line you're buying from.
The consumer lines are usually much worse than the made-for-business lines. Same is true for desktops. This is often reflected in the base warranty given by the mfg.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
i have had a lil bit of everything
I have had the best luck with no name generic pc’s. The company that used to do our company’s computer work, just got bought out by a dell dealer, so…….. to early to tell.
And what no apple’s? Back in grade school i used to love playing simfarm on a 1st gen mac.
To this day my wife is an apple person, giving a twice what a pc costs is a lil hard to take. (that and no damn left mouse button, wtf hit the shift key?) Although i did brake down and let her by a 1st gen ipad on clearance at sam’s. I gotta admit it is pretty sweet.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
The new Apple's allow you to change the settings and have both a left and right clicker.
Also: The Oregon Trail
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
hell yes!
i forgot all about oregon trail. I actually have that and simfarm for dos!
I still got my first computer from back in 2000, with windows 98, in a closet some where i want to get it out just to playthose.
i just remembered another one: classic concentration!
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
Have you tried putting two fingers on the touchpad and clicking?
(guys is this one insulting?)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i was mainly talking about
the desk tops, from like 6-7 years ago in college.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
I have a computer in my house my entire life
Never remember a major component ever going out on any of them
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I was looking at the
2006 Cardinals roster. How did we win the World Series with Sidney Ponson and Larry Bigbie
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
IIRC Bigbie played like 30 games that year
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
17, actually
only 28 ABs. Was hurt most of the year
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
And Ponson was gone by the ASG
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Also, did anyone know Tyler Johnson knocked up Al's daughter?
According to an unsourced wikipedia claim
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Is this Al Hrabosky?
So The Mad Hungarian’s daughter married a lefty reliever?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
How in the hell is Al's daughter hot?
http://www.stlcommercemagazine.com/archives/june2004/images/town_pic7.jpg
Middle.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Famous, rich professional athletes generally tend to procreate with attractive women.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Which would be the hotty on the right
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but still.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
This year we won the WS with Franklin and Batista
and Patterson and Theriot
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
and Schumaker (both years)
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
The only guys to have played on both teams ?
Pujols, Molina, Skip, and Carpenter
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 20, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Carp is now the longest tenured Cardinal.
Or, if you want to not include his DNP 2003, he and Yadi are tied.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
CFCDNCADNP2003
therefore, neither does Yadi. Though Yadi expects to be respected in 2013. CFCDNCA2013.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Obligatory Corey Patterson photo...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i got a WS shirt with the names
06 was comical, but so is this years
maikel cleto
brandon dickson
arthur rhodes
tyler greene
adron chambers
corey patterson
shane robinson
now most of those are young guys… and in 06 we had bi-polar betty as well
because TLR
Detroit's defense (jitters), Waino's breaking ball, Apu, Eck
just to mention a few
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
"Larry Bigbie is the key to our season" - Walt Jocketty, 2006
Yes that’s a real quote
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also John Rodriguez
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh and I almost forgot
Junior Spivey. I wonder if in some alternate universe the 2006 and 2011 Cardinals minor league deals are facing each other and Ian Snell is pitching to Junior Spivey
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Every time I hear Junior Spivey
I just remember how Brandon Philips was available in spring training of 2006 for a song, and the Cardinals didn’t make a move for him because they wanted to see if Junior Spivey would get it figured out after a little time in the minors.
Fuck. Now I’m pissed off.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
you do realize that, if we had done so, right now you'd be getting stomach ulcers remembering how we'd signed
brandon phillips and tony la russa had driven him away in the 2008 offseason? i just don’t see those two on the same team for long.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 20, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You might be right.
Still, is it better to have been a whiny bitch and lost, or better to have never been a whiny bitch at all?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
What if it's a whiny bitch who works as a dancer?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Then she's going to tell you about work whether you like it or not.
And it will be awful.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whiny dancer?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 20, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
+1
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
hold me closer whiny dancer?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Looking back, it seemed like a good move at the time.
Hell it seems like a good bet now.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
Ian Snell. . . recent addition to the list
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Android app
needs moar Z.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Dec 20, 2011 12:29 PM EST via Android app reply actions
WHAT
Their is a SBNation Android app now?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Why would you think that?
Yes, it was released today to the Market.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Says today on the app, but CIMMC did mention last night didn't he?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Thanks for the big announcement SBN......................
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
SB Nation @sbnation Close
You asked for it, now here it is: The SB Nation Android App sbn.to/vVGhhe
12:00 PM – 20 Dec 11 via TweetDeck
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
pales A BIT to the iphone app announcement
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
okay, that wasn't there just an hour ago............
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
well, they did at least add the functionality
i kinda like it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Yeah, I just figured out how to refresh and then jump to the next unread comment.
It’s not bad, and definitely better than Mobile SBN.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
is there any way to like/flag comments?
I’m not setting it..
> tebow
by cschepers on Dec 20, 2011 1:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
dear Android app developers, you know what would be good
if you’d sync read comments for the account independent of the access application
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
that would be nice in the iPhone app too
i imagine that would require a lot of server backend though.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
yeah, me too
but i don’t imagine it’s coming anytime soon.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
So my co-workers are mocking me for a rule I have
I won’t date a girl if I have to cross a bridge to get to her
you don't live on an island, right?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Even a bridge over a creek?
Or, big bridges like the ones over the Mississippi?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Rivers
I don’t have a phobia of bridges also
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
How the hell did they get a film crew out to do such coverage so fast in 1940?
Poor doggy
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
there was a dog?!?! oh the humanity,,,,
seriously, the second the bridge started moving i closed the window
Balls
Yes, unfortunately. Oh the canine-anity .... also
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Dog was in the car and was to scared to come out ... and the humans were too scared to go try to get heem out
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
You don't see the puppy
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
The have a narrator and cue cards (but they don't mention the cute little puppy)
speaking of the cue card deals (not correct term) people in 1940 read reallllllly slooooow. Felt like I was watching movies in the the grade school cafeteria
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
i think the crew went out to cover a swaying bridge, and found a collapsing bridge.
it was just dumb luck that they were there, iirc.
the Science Center has a big Tacoma Narrows exhibit on the bridge over hwy 40.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
On first watch, they said something about 5 seconds of oscillating motion, and made it sound like it was all down hill quickly from there
Didn’t seem to take to long to fall in the scheme of things, I think they said like an hour, but made it seem like camera crew just happened to show up at the same time this started. Obviously not, but still kind of fortunate for science they were there so the engineers could “engineer” a better solution.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Gallopin' Gertie!
I’ve driven on the replacement bridges tons of times.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
If I had a problem with bridges they would freak me the heck out.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The only bridges I've crossed that scared me
was the old bridge at Cape Girardeau and the current bridge at Chester. You pretty much had to fold your mirrors in so you wouldnt hit oncoming traffic
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
the bridge over the mississipi near cairo, ill is AWFUL.
as close as i’ve ever come to closing my eyes while driving.
> tebow
Irving S. Cobb bridge between Paducah and Brookport IL
is much much worse than that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
not the mississippi bridge in cairo
it’s the bridge over the ohio i’m thinking of. i’m sure they’re both completely awful. haven’t crossed the cobb bridge, only the i-24 bridge there in paducah.. but looking at pictures, i see what you mean.
> tebow
and you kind of lose whichever side of the bridge you come out on.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
OMG YES
i hit that sucker at night in 08 & had no idea it was there. i about crapped my pants. i pulled over in Paducah because i was having a panic attack. i couldn’t breathe. i went to the nearest bar & had a couple shots to calm me down
Balls
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
is that the metal grating bridge decking?
I freaking hate that stuff. the bridge over I-70 in boonville used to be made of that.
> tebow
Yes. It's a steel grate deck.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Also, the bridge is 80 years old.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
when the 89 SanFran quake happened
and they were showing the bay area bridge & the double decker highway’s i freaked out big time. that’s right up there in worst ways to die for me
Balls
I never knew there were bridge 'fans' but am not surprised due to train, plane, etc spotters
Cairo Ohio River Bridge if you dare to look
Actually the guy that took the pics must have been scared too, as none are from on the bridge looking down
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
That bridge doesn't bother me.
The deck is solid. The Cobb’s deck isn’t.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Y'all probably missed out on driving the old Clark Bridge on 367 to Alton.
That was always a white-knuckle affair.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
That Cape Bridge gave me just about the worst 20 minutes of my life ...
Actually, it was probably only about five – but I’m acrophobic. When I first came to Missouri in 1975 it was across that bridge — and traffic was stopped when I was at just about dead center, because they were repainting. Even from the driver’s side it was like hanging in mid-air. I had to get out of the car, stand in the middle of the road and close my eyes until they were ready to let the westbound traffic continue.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
I remember in the year or two before they blew up the Cape bridge
a tractor with plowing equipment got stuck on the bridge and they had to route traffic through Chester and Cairo to cross the river
#hoosierfail
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
in 02 i got stuck on the poplar street bridge coming into STL for 45min because of a wreck
i was too frozen with fear to get out. i looked over the edge once at a barge & about passed out. the bride was swaying back & forth & bouncing around, i was praying non stop the entire time. i was sure it was gong to collapse into the river. i’ve never been so scarred.
Balls
Why did Flim cross the bridge?
to break Rule #637.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What about dams?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
What about damn bridges
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
with the obvious exception
If she’s hot.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
with the obvious exception
If she’s hot.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Illinois women just aren't worth it
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Saint Charles county women also apply now
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I stay in the city now
I kept meeting women from IL. just wasn’t working
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
well hell
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Illinois>Missouri
I get all the fun of the Cardinals and St Louis without having to live in Missouri.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately we have Chicago though
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
heh. I was raised in IL by chance
and live in MO by choice. Never going back.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 2:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
I grew up in the Metro East area
One Metro Link ride away from Busch, occasionally go see Delmar, the Fox, and I don’t even have to live in Missouri!
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
this
sure cost of living might be cheaper, but I’ve had enough of the corn fields and prairieland
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
your job is on our side, fritz
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
And by the by, I love Illinois.
I also love Saint Louis. But I also have no idea why people have to always declare one thing better than another.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
oh no
now we’re going to have to tier the states, aren’t we?
> tebow
by cschepers on Dec 20, 2011 4:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Southern Illinois identifies more with STL than Chicago
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I wholeheartedly agree with this
But as a person from SI I still love SI, but do identify with StL as my city of choice, and the home of my baseball team
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I grew up in So. Ill but live like 8 blocks from Chicago
and I still identify with StL with my city of choice.
Well……from a sports perspective. I do like living here.
Interestingly enough, I absolutely cannot root for any Chicago team. Even teams that don’t compete with St. Louis teams. Not the Bulls, Fire, Northwestern, DePaul, Bears (yeah, that’s a cheap shot on my Rams).
I seriously think I listen to too much chicago sports radio and have grown tired of the tough guy, chicago, meathead, sports idiots. I’m sure there are meathead sports idiots in every city, but I listen to them try to form coherent sentences on a daily basis.
Plus, no matter what team they’re rooting for, I know there like a 75% chance they’re also a cub fan so I just like to see them miserable during all seasons. Not just summer and fall.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I've only met a few Cubs fans ... are the ones in Chicago really that bad?
I remember a similar comment about fan mentality / behavior from one of the regulars who lives / lived in Boston for a while. Who is it?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I used to listen to the Score every day before I moved to STL
for pure comedic value. STL and Indy are closer to my hometown than Chicago, but when I was at SIU (02-05) I had to deal with a lot of those meat heads. 2003 was the worst…until Bartman, then they all just disappeared, until spring training anyway.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
i'm out, i've only been in four states
to small of a sample
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
No idea, Fritz?
That’s, like, the entire point of the internet. Most of the important research in the late 1960’s was done solely for the purpose of facilitating debate on whether Captain Kirk was a better leader than Marshall Dillon from Gunsmoke.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Of course Kirk was better, but ... then ... again ...waaaas .... he ... getting .... difficult to .... think....
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Are income taxes in Missouri now lower?
Because they were higher a few years ago (top “bracket” of 6% to 3% if memory serves). Of course, that was before Illinois had sent it’s third straight governor to jail and run up a state budget deficit of approximately $87 kajillion, so I may have lost track.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 20, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
The drive outweighed dating them
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am in a long-term relationship with a great Illinois woman.
I can verify that this is true!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
So i'm guessing since we are discussing flims Dating rules
there is no news on a new OF’er?
because TLR
with christmas coming up
i feel like any deal has to get done by thursday, otherwise it will be after the new year
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Interesting development with Roy Oswalt
According to Jerry Crasnick (@jcrasnick):
Interest in Roy Oswalt has picked up now that he has told clubs he only wants a 1-year deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i like roy-o
but he’ll probably miss some starts during the year, and what to do with Loshe and Westy
because TLR
If there was any way possible to trade Westbrook without eating salary
I’d LOVE to sign Oswalt to a one year deal.
But between the fact that Westbrook as a blanket NTC, as well as the fact that he is still owed $9.5M ($8.5M for 2012 plus a $1M buyout for 2013) I just don’t see it happening at all.
I would be way willing to eat salary in a westbrook deal.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 20, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather they contribute it to offensive help like Beltran or COCO CRISP
I think Westy will be an OK 5th starter and Lohse should be somewhere between last year and 2008
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'd only be in favor of Oswalt if we couldn't get Beltran.
Oswalt and Ross/Crisp would be a nice consolation prize. That is of course, unless they just go silly and get both Beltran and Oswalt. Oswalt might take a million or 2 less to come here and re-unite with Berkman. Hell, he wanted to play here before we even had Berkman. Westy isn’t bad for a #5, but if there is a way to improve the rotation it should always be considered.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 20, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't mind that either!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 20, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Winter Warm-Up Autograph Prices
Per @BJRains:
Schumaker is up from $10 last year to $15 this year. Still a good value IMO RT @Shut_Up_Dorn @BJRains How much for Schumaker?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Then they'll remote into basebaal-reference using their cyber brain chip
and laugh at your autograph from a terrible utility player and you’ll be all like “HE STARTED GAME SEVEN OF THE WORLD SERIES IN CENTER FIELD!” then they’ll be like “Whatever gramps” and fly away on the hover boards while drinking Surge! (Surge! came back in 2045).
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 20, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
They benched Mammon for the flyball he dropped in game six.
Belphegor was pissed.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Dec 20, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You Philistine
This might spark the nerdiest sub-thread VEB has ever Hadad. Let’s not let it get Astarted.
while wearing shoes that automatically lace up and tie
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I have a pair of them
They are called loafers
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Surge...
part of Coke’s never-ending (and futile) attempt to compete with Mountain Dew. Yeah how did Vault work out?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think there is something odd about asking another man for his autograph.
Like trick-or-treating, asking for autographs should stop at about the age of 12.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
what about for women?
just curious. i kind of agree with you. but that won’t stop me from asking for autographs.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
It's probably fine if you're a woman (certainly more defensible)
Though it seems like glorified flirting to me (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
women can do anything, it's science & it's kind of unfair
but thankfully you’re the only ones who can have babies
Balls
I almost asked Lance Berkman to sign the back of my tie
So he would always be close to my heart
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well Lance Berkman is not another man.
he is the Puma.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
*skinny tie
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
*SpringTraining2011LanceBerkmanSkiny
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
you're not asking, you're buying it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
yes, i know.
I’m not sure how this makes it better, however.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
i think asking for a picture together might be a bit much
but buying an autograph is not
if it makes you feel better, snatch someone else’s kid to hand the guy the ball
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
The money goes to charity doesn't it?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if the money goes to charity (and the event is for players to sign balls so that people will buy them and give the money to charity) , it's different.
The main thing that is odd to me is adults asking for someone’s autograph at a restaurant, on the street, or even at the stadium.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 20, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'd never ask anyone for an autograph at a restaurant or on the street.
Maybe at a stadium. I got Ozzie’s last year at a charity for the Clarinda A’s and that was pretty cool. I got got Musial’s as a kid but later missed Gibson’s because I was sick and my mom wouldn’t let me go to the card show. I confess I still feel like eleven-year-old me needs to get Bob Gibson’s autograph.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
quite a few
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Dec 20, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I assume you'll be one?
There is probably a fan shot somewhere with all the info. I just haven’t looked
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i plan on going, yes
but i suppose you won’t be hanging out with me because i’m from illinois
pfff
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
It's because we're all corrupt criminals just like our governors
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Could be worse.
Could be a bunch of murderers.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
If I go we can hang out
My river rule is for women I may date
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
oh, and now you're calling me ugly?
/women logic
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I dont eat a ton of soup, but...
Panera’s broccoli cheddar would be in the God tier.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
also: paradise bakery fire roasted tomato soup
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
are you talking about soup or things that turn us on?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Cheddar biscuits - Red Lobster - GOD TIER!!!!!!!
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
It is called Saint Louis Bread Company on this side of the state
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 20, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know it was called St. Louis Bread Company anywhere anymore
I live in SW MO and it has been Panera for a long time.
Also, I know I've probably complained about this before, but
The only photograph on the Panera Wikipedia entry is a location in Chicago. Come On, Man!®
Excuse me for tyring to incorporate all VEBer's
that dont live in Missouri into this discussion. Plus, Panera is much faster to type.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
CUBS CARE
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
I grew up in Metro East Illinois!
so its Stl Bread Co for me too
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, it's about 40 miles each way that it retains the "St Louis Bread Co." name
i think…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Over this way in Champaign, it's called Panera.
I didn’t realize that they had them in the St Louis area under a different name until the last time I was back home for a funeral. What’s also weird is there’s another place here in town called Atlanta Bread Company now, that has a similar logo to Panera, building looks the same, and serves the same kind of food, so I thought maybe it was another version of the same chain. But apparently it’s not.
WWCD? CDGAF.
That's the sort of convenient fact a Cubs fan would bring up.
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Doesnt VEB do any sort of background check?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
and I thought VEB was an inclusive society
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly you need to go to re-education camp
and learn about our Glorious Dear Leader Dan Up-Baby.
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is he a westerner?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
still waiting on my invite to the (in)famous cliques I have read so much about...
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, looks like about 3 years and 2 days
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of which - thanks for forgetting my anniversary, jerks
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Anniversaries at VEB are celebrated based on comments, not years
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
It's a counting stat thing
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
trying out twin oaks
for lunch today.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 2:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
SIUE roasted pepper smoked gouda
absolute rarity but definitely GOD
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Thanks
To whomever for the android app
by Cheeseballs on Dec 20, 2011 2:04 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Apparently the deer are bored too
I have two does licking each other outside my office window and a buck who finds it necessary to bang his antlers up against my window. I think he wants me to come out and play.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Euphemism?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
no, this is for realz
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
they are licking so much I am afraid they are going to get wet and catch a cold
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like a lot of licking...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
If I knew how to post a pic I would
P.S. Someone just learned how to post a link!
Woo
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
little tree icon next to the icon you click to put in a link
paste link to pic (pic must be online)
presto!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
this is probably clear to you since you are a long timer but just in case
You need an image hosting site to post your pictures to then you use the tree to link to them, otherwise Chitown will give you grief, as well he should (otherwise makes keeping track of meme’s difficult)
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
"The content owner has not made this video available on moble"
boooooooo
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
The pic has to be online? Thats stupid
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
that link was to youtube, correct?
I tried it on my phone and got that message.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Yeah it was - you would have to watch through the internet and not through your youtube app
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
<img src="link.jpg"/>
or
<img src="link.jpg" height ="200" width="350"/>
if it needs resizing.
or just press the little picture button
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Testy
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Amped and Affable
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
You're doing it Peter!
You’re playing with us!! (Hook Reference)
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
OT: he went to paris
is in the god tier of jimmy buffet songs.
it might be in the god tier of all songs.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
by IHeartBoog on Dec 20, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
God Tier of Jimmy Buffet? Sure
God Tier of all songs? no.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
well saying its in the god tier of jimmy buffet songs is like saying
blue moon is in the god tier of coors manufactured beers. not much of a compliment.
but i think he went to paris is a phenomenal song.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
marginally better than Corona though. (not that that is saying anything)
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
i just threw up in my mouth a little
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, and I hate to disagree with someone I actually like so vehemently,
but there is no such thing as a god tier of Jimmy Buffet songs. There is only the clawing at my face and stabbing an icepick into my temple to stop the pain of listening to Jimmy Buffet tier.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
.....
……
………..
…..
……………….
………
i’m speechless
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
His music is the aural equivalent of the Hawaiian shirts he wears.
I just can’t support that.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Everything spins backwards?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how bout swirling?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
It is.
Paul Hogan comes and gives you a blowjob. Also makes jokes about knives and Foster’s while doing it.
Worst. Day. Ever.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
So, who do the British consider more wacky
Americans, or Australians?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
we don't use the term 'wacky' for either really
Australians are usually stupid and cocky, ’til we kick there colonial asses in cricket. Americans are usually depicted as just stupid. Sorry.
Bursting into song.
Australians are cockier than us?
[Sees baron’s comment below]
Oh.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They did start off as a penal colony.
History joke and dick joke, united at last!
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Somehow needs a rabbit horde reference
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
rec’d for timing and a certain knowledge
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
as well as for execution by red baron
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
calling americans stupid whilst not understanding the difference
between there and their. hmm.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
they're
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
theyah ... typed with high nasal affectation
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
SO STUPID WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN TWO WARS AND SAVED YOU IN TWO OTHERS
YOU SON OF A BITCH
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 20, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Even worse, "AND SAVED YOU IN TWO OTHERS" at ENORMOUS profit
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Well, it's been a while since we had the opportunity to do that, too.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
but someone else “kicked our heinies reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal goooooooooooood!!!”
for them to mock us with because they can only dream of others successes against us
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
(Ties count as wins.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I think the second round went to them ...
except we blew them up in the end zone after the game was over.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Are you trying to say that the US lost the War of 1812?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
intentional whitewashing of history?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
just joshing with you
not everyone can be up all all history, we’re more tuned into conflicts fought on our soil, also emphasized by our shorter history
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
actually no-one is up on all history
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
i think just about anyone will be more aware of conflicts in their own countries than elsewhere. Its not just because you’re all shortsighted imperialists.
Jok.
Bursting into song.
Colonialist! ... also Jok
Do you know why they never let the sun set on the British Empire?
No one trusted them in the dark. Said with love friends
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
The Native Americans were REALLY aware of the War of 1812.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And you call us stupid?
(I am totally kidding. As Musial-y points out, you guys have about a hundred wars [including the Hundred Years War] to learn about in school, whereas we have about seven)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Saint Crispin's Day!
Wikipedia tells me that the French side included nobles from something called the Armagnac party. If you had asked me a few minutes ago what that was, I would have told you that it was an awesome get-together at fink’s house.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I got some for my dad for Christmas
I usually try to get him interesting alcohol as gifts. Also got him some cool grappa.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Just because you were fighting Napoleon at the time doesn't mean it didn't happen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 20, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see this is the thing
a lot of stuff in the 17th, 18th and early 19th centuries is a mystery to me. My knowledge of alot of this stuff is no better than any non-history studier
Bursting into song.
Just you wait
The Swedish Empire will rise again, and you Brits won’t be able to sit on the sidelines this time.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Fair's fair:
the Brits were pretty busy regiciding during the First Swedish Empire. Besides, the people we call Brits now aren’t real Brits – they’re Swedish and Danish and Norwegian johnnies-come-lately.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Led by the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha!
On second thought, let’s change that… how about “Windsor”? That has a nicer ring to it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I suppose among Americans
the War of 1812 is probably even more forgotten than the Korean War
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
A clear indication that we lost it.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
also, the use of 'you' and 'us'
is just for shorthand purposes, not making any other incinuations.
Bursting into song.
Status quo ante bellum
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
And if anyone knows anything about losing to America in a tie,
it’s England.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 20, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
I think he's got it this time.
Oh, sorry.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
actually the win came from finally getting British soldiers to leave American soil
as at the time they were still occupying some forts in the US
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
its probably more of an indication
that a lot of people dont give a rats ass about history
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Fools.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
let's all repeat ourselves
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Fools.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
That was real funny!
let’s all repeat ourselves
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
We are still here without foreign rule so we won, not saying it was without loss
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
i really don't know how one can forget the korean war
it was pretty damn important.
Bursting into song.
Absolutely - it gave us M.A.S.H. and the Manchurian Candidate
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
i.e., kim il-sung, kim jong-il, and kim jong-un.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
hahaha
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Gave us the backdrop for M.A.S.H.
Pretty sure it was more commentary about Vietnam.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
known fact, check out the hats on the "Koreans"
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
indigenous Koreans didn't wear that type of hat, it's Vietnamese
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Are you telling me Alan Alda lied to me???
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yes
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
and the background story
and namesake of Heartbreak Ridge
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
as far as one-liners in movies go
its hard to beat Heartbreak Ridge and Fletch
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
That movie is the best.
It has Eastwood and Mario Van Peebles.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
is that the terrible one about grenada? i saw that once against
my will.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
TERRIBLE LIKE A FOX
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 20, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i would rather watch footage of senior citizens vomiting
in slow motion than that movie.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
+1
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
If Korea wants to make it up to us, they can convince Shin Soo Choo to sign with the Cardinals for cheap
Or demand a trade. Or something.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
CINTRON!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I will never forgive Cintron for colliding with Rolen
in the playoffs
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
WE STILL LOVE YOU SCOTTY
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
As a coach
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
And then get himself run out of a town in a spat with
himself.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
During Spring Training
Rolen has a freaky vision where he cuts off Tony’s head with a lightsaber, only it rolls on the ground and he sees that it’s his own head.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Is this a jok about the duality of man?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Actually it's just an Empire Strikes Back reference
Rolen does his Spring Training on Dagobah.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I liked the mind control
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it did.
Boston swept. And Jimmy Fallon had sex on the grass at Busch Stadium afterwards.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore were in the outfield making babies and I saw one of the babies and then the baby looked at me.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 20, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I had an extreme dislike for Fallon before this
and I still wonder how the hell he got a part in Band of Brothers
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I...did not know that.
And now I sorta wish I still didn’t know that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
what? that he is in BoB?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
its a very small role
he plays a lieutenant that delivers ammo to Easy right before they go into Bastogne
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
He got my friends brother fired
Now he had a bit of a reason to be upset, but I still hold it against him, probably because I never liked him much anyway. Liked him even less after seeing him run around the field in the WS we didn’t lose.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 20, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
and to this day i swear to everything
if i ever get the chance i will permanently wipe that shit ass grin off his face if i ever get the chance
Balls
i very much agree with this
i know it must be hard to keep a straight face while you’re on SNL, but generations of actors seemed to have done it well, but he had to fuck up almost every skit he was in
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
AND HE'S NOT FUNNY
i never laughed at anything he’s ever done yet most people under 25 lick his nuts like he’s a comedy god. he’s not worthy to hold eddy murphy’s jock
Balls
by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he's not even worthy enough to hold Dane Cook's jock
and he’s about as unfunny as you can get
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
At least he isn't Margaret Cho
So there’s that
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 20, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
His Capitol One ads are about the worst I've ever seen.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
There is nothing worse than the Amazon Kindle ads.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't believe so.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't think I've seen that one, either.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well, they burned Washington, which I guess counts as a win for us.
But it saddled us with the Star-Spangled Banner, which ruined a perfectly good drinking song.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
The Canadians like to say that it was actually they who burned Washington.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
very politely, mind you. "eh, ah, pardon us, but dere's like this war-thing goin on.
and, eh, seems like we’re supposed to some war-stuff, like shooting and, ah, burnin’ stuff down, eh. and, eh, we were thinkin maybe aboot burning washington. you know, not ‘cause we wanna. but uh, you know, it seems like the thing to do, what with the war and all. and we just wanted to say, you know, dere’s nothin’ personal-like aboot it."
“and we hope everybody gets out safe, ‘cause you know, fire’s pretty dangerous. my uncle mike burned down his ice fishing house last winter, doncha know. been doin a little drinkin. spilled the kerosene all over. he got out okay, a little singed, but he lost five pike he’d caught. ya, but it’s like real scary. so, ya, you guys be safe when we burn the city. "
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 20, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well I'll be darned, I guess we did get a bit carried away
Buy ya a soda after da war?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah, any time I try to fake Canadian, I end up just ripping off lines from Slap Shot
That’s all I got.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The Canadian militias what done it! Not the British regulars!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes they like to say it, because they are French loving bastages who hate all things non-Frecnh bastages
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Washington, minus the Commandant of the Marine Corps house.
They weren’t savages.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
That's not a dick.
THIS is a dick!
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
That's not a dick.
That’s a spoon.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Like Hawaiian shirts
I believe everybody can support it if they have had enough mai tais.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
some of it is crap
i understand the hate for margaritaville or cheeseburger in paradise. but have you ever heard he went to paris? or a pirate looks at 40?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I like Come Monday
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. That and he Went To Paris are the only Buffet songs I actually celebrate.
I don’t hate a lot of his work, but the most commercialized of his songs (Cheeseburger, Margaritaville, Pencil Thin Mustache) generally give me headaches.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I think somebody's just cranky cause he's hungry
Hungry for a cheeseburger… in paradise.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Flagged.
And considering banning.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 20, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps he would like a Margarita to make him feel better?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
It's 5 o'clock somewhere.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN HEARD THIS SONG
it is very different from the others
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I have.
And I agree with you.
Everyone else is just hatin’.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
hatin on JB
he seems like more of a gimmick than anything. I dunno… I’m a music weirdo so I probably shouldn’t have an opinion on regular music.
SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
well i don't disagree with you
his music is fun and it puts me in a good mood and that’s why i like it. but he does have a few gems of legitimate music
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
he probably does
sort of like phish… most of their music is filler, then they have a few good ones. but it’s mostly about the fan comaraderie than the music.
SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
He is a gimmick. He'd admit to it.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I don't hate him
I just have tons of other music to listen to
SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
THANK YOU
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
hunter pence's trivia question
Hunter Pence @HunterPence3
In my favorite sports movie, Crash Davis sets minor league HR record. How many did he finally hit and with what team? tag #HunterContest
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
247
With the Asheville Tourists.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Dec 20, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
mine is pretty regular...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
mine is back to normal
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
it is producing tons of comments today
hard to catch up with
SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't go to work today
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
nice!
I have a day and a half to go. gotta work tomorrow, then half day on thurs. got friday and monday off! long weekend woohaaa
SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Another reason I love this time of year ... time off!
I have 30 days of vacation time saved up and I only get 12 days a year…I’ve been working at this job 3 years. So obviously I don’t take a of time off.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
OT: Beds and wood floors
We just moved into a new apartment and it’s got wood floors and our bedframe has wheels on it. What should be done to keep it from moving all over the place?
I tried taking the wheels off but there’s a center post (with no wheel coincidentally) that cannot be removed, so that didn’t work.
What’s the fix VEB?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
will they scratch the floor?
or do I have to buy the little sticky cushions for the bottom too?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
That would probably work. We have rugs on both sides of our bed as well as risers.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
buy the little discs with carpet/felt on bottom and a rim around the top side of the circle to keep wheels from rolling off
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
seems like the carpet/felt would slide around too.
think I’m gonna have to get the risers and grippers.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
get up.
and thanks for the link.
Sometimes i find veb to be more efficient, thorough, effective, and degrading than google.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
You're welcome
Wasn’t exactly what I was talking about but quick and handy. And I concur with last sentence,
VEB…very handy ©
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I've had hardwood floors for about 10 years now.
and I agree that you need this. the middle post you can get a gripper pad. I normally don’t have problems with the bed rolling around, even when I’m shaking the bed really hard.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
[Insert Euphemism Sub-thread Here]
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
My bed needs a good shaking...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Some rockin' and rollin'?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
put a carpet underneath?
stop moving once you’re in bed?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
sure. let me move into a place with hardwood floors and then carpet it.....
I assume you mean a rug. well the rugs slide all over too and we had to buy the gripper mats to go under them. So an 80 dollar rug ends up like 110 bucks just to keep you from breaking your neck.
Stop moving once your in bed? I forget, is there a Mr. d-dee or am I thinking of someone else?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Area rugs?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A rug with a bed and 2 adults on it
ain’t gonna slide all over.
your doin it rong.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 20, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Growing up in SW MO, it was possible I could have been raised to be a Royals fan
And day after day, I’m thankful I was raised to be a Cardinal fan
Today is no different
The Royals just signed Betancourt
They tried to get rid of him in the Greinke trade but he is back as an utility player
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's the funny part
First they trade for him from Seattle. Then the sign him again. At least this time he isn’t projected to be a starter.
he's kc's aaron miles
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
aaaaaahahaha
fail
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
This reminds me of the second coming of Aaron Miles.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
my friend's a royals fan
and his favorite player is betancourt. He’ll be thrilled.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Fake glove, not WAR?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahah
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
no, he's just an idiot
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
why would yuniesky betancourt be anybody's favorite player?
I’m sorry, but I can’t seem to find any endearing qualities
by hr on Dec 20, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
#JoePozcrieswhen Yuni Betancourt is a KC Royal
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
crap, I was all prepared to post a link to this and I forgot.
Oh well, here’s what I had planned to say.
Want to know why the Royals continue to suck? They don’t learn from their own mistakes.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
But but, he was clutch in the playoffs (he he)
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Betancourt reply fail
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
if you get bored
you can check this out…kinda fun.. http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/12/15/2637572/music-and-baseball
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 20, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
this is a great fanpost
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
2 more to go to be green'd does the rules apply the same on fanposts?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
i think fanposts take 5 recs to fall into the "recommended" section.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
So 1 more to go then
So it wasn’t changed when comments were bumped up to 6 is a serious number then, I did not know that.
Thanks tom
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm the 5th rec
but I don’t think it went green.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 20, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's at 6 actually now, but don't know what signifies a Post as green'd as it's not green
Perhaps it pops to the top of one of the lists on the right, let’s go see
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Fanpost/shots
Don’t go green, they just fade away.
Unless they’re done by d-dee.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Not fade away
when done by buddy holly
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
i rec'd this particular post too
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
@Ken_Rosenthal on COCO:
Coco Crisp’s agent, Steve Comte, says Coco wants to A) play for a team committed to winning and B) find a home for “a few years.”
Crisp not locked into west coast, as previously thought. #Cubs, #Cardinals remain interested. Comte says “quite a few teams involved.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cardinals are probably out
They don’t like making players feel like they’re at home
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
dysfunctional when it comes to "family" vibe
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Crying sometimes involved.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
And feeling hurt
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
reminds me of a subthread earlier today
Butt it requires Carnal Knowledge
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
didn't have anything to do with you, but that is a shame
I guess it depends on what state you are in or what statues are involved
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
heh :)
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
they announced an offer to crisp that included a 10-year personal services contract with Anaheim,
just so they’d be sure that he wouldn’t be hanging around the stadium after he was no good anymore, looking for attention.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Was this so he wouldn't cry?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Do I pay to have Holiday sign my jersey?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
And you call yourself a Holliday fan
general assumption based on sig. Which, based on how many Matts post here is pretty lame.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I blame autocorrect
I’m not sure what I’ll do with myself without your approval though
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
SBN'd obviously
What is origin of the SecondHalfMatt, sig? Strictly related to your name or does it involved a certain Holliday?
I do not recognize the avatar so that didn’t help me
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I was a long time lurker who didn't start posting until we signed Matt
When I joined I was told I was the anti-gdm. So I guess I should’ve used a sig that was the opposite of his.
The name was suggested by Y2S in some thread a long time ago.
The avatar is Dan Lozano. I picked him before last season since he was going to be disliked on VEB this off season. Previously I was Scott Boris
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
thanks Matt
I had been wondering for quite some time, so second half Matt because we signed him midway?
also, didn’t recognize Lozano w/o the chinchilla
/ducks again
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Actually because he "never" got going until the second half
Although I would say he has proven that wrong now
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nothing about the chinchilla? Weren't you here yesterday?
/ducks again … refers to the protecting the wood floor discussion with Tackle Box
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
This just in
Betancourt will be filling the role of Player-manager. No word on if Yost will still have a role in the organization
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's important to put into perspective how depressing this must be for Royals fans
This is like if the Cardinals went out this offseason and signed Aaron Miles.
Yeah...Instead, they signed Skip.
Wait, what?
Beltran Rumors! (maybe nexdef'd)
•Carlos Beltran figures to agree to terms by Sunday. His market includes the Cardinals, Blue Jays, Red Sox and a fourth team, possibly the Rays. Beltran is weighing two and three-year offers, Brown reports.
per mlbtraderumors.com
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
have a feeling we aren't going to get him
which is pretty frustrating to be honest. 3/33 or something is fine. maybe the last year is an overpay but we have money to spend and he’s still a damn good player.
The only team I see outspending us is the Sox
And unfortunately, that’s probably what’ll end up happening.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
i haven't heard much about the red sox interest level
i thin the blue jays are more likely, they seem to have money to burn.
It also sounds like the Red Sox are trying to avoid luxury tax
and don’t have a lot of headroom left before they hit it.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I should have kept reading.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Aren't they approaching the luxury tax?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
According to Cot's
they already have 136 million committed for 2012.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
What' the LT level? How many teams have reached it. . What are the fees?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I thought I remembered it being somewhere in the 170-ish million range lately
It changes yearly, right?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The fees went up under the new CBA, I think.
But I haven’t had the opportunity to read the new CBA yet.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
ok, "sign" then.
i just don’t see the cards looking at cody ross and seeing him as a good CF. it’s either crisp or beltran, i would bet. i would hope beltran, but i would think that crisp is more likely to be a cardinal between the two.
Do you think perhaps Matheny values fielding and base running/SB more than has been discussed?
Which is not at all?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Crisp is a nice fourth outfielder.
He’s a plus baserunner and a plus defender. What’s more, he’s coming off a lowish BABIP. Despite that, he was worth about 2.0 WAR in 2011. He’ll likely be worth between 2.0 and 3.0 WAR in 2012—just like Jon Jay—and will be able to spell Jay in CF. Depending on your point-of-view, a nice fourth outfielder capable of playing center field is all that we need. With Craig returning in May, we’d have an outfield of Holliday, Craig, Jay, and Crisp, which is a very nice group.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He led the AL in stolen bases in 2011
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
he wanted that SB title too, i had him in fantasy
the last week of the season was hilarious. one game against the mariners he got on base in the 9th inning with the A’s down several runs, and he proceeds to steal second on the first pitch and then steals third the next pitch. his run was completely meaningless of course haha. he was running the first pitch every time he got on in the last week trying to get that SB title
Now that Albert is gone will we steal
Or will we let what little speed we have go to waste?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Commented above but, we now have a catcher for a mgr, perhaps perspective diff than replacement level former player/mgr
Annnnnnnnnnnnd I know that MO is now running the show
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like we posted at the same time
I do hope they actually steal some more bases this coming season
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler Greene's going to still some bases
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 20, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
And perhaps have a summer of 61' sitchiation with another base stealing genius named COCO CRISP
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
go for a tandem run at Lou Brock's Cards record setting season?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Just for fun ... man that vince coleman was a sticky finger dude
Stolen Bases
Single Season National League Leaders
‘Top 100’
Name Stolen Bases Year Team League Rank
Lou Brock 118 1974 St. Louis Cardinals NL 1
Billy Hamilton 111 1891 Philadelphia Phillies NL 2
John Ward 111 1887 New York Giants NL
Vince Coleman 110 1985 St. Louis Cardinals NL 4
Vince Coleman 109 1987 St. Louis Cardinals NL 5
Vince Coleman 107 1986 St. Louis Cardinals NL 6
Maury Wills 104 1962 Los Angeles Dodgers NL 7
Jim Fogarty 102 1887 Philadelphia Phillies NL 8
Billy Hamilton 102 1890 Philadelphia Phillies NL
Jim Fogarty 99 1889 Philadelphia Phillies NL 10
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/spacing by hitting the space bar formatting fail
Looked good in the body
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
a few more /fails than that but still kinda neat
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
very nice post
At this point it’d be a lot of fun to see one person on the team put up 40+steals, 100 just seems unthinkable.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 20, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Vince Coleman
1982, Macon, Sally League.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Hooch runner?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Mike Matheny is a catcher
He has a deep seeded hatred of stolen bases
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 6:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or respect for our stolen bases and good base running?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Of course this was meant to be future tense but wasn't
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
i guess he's fine as a 4th outfielder
but its more that i just don’t think we should happily settle for crisp after giving beltran a lowball offer. goold was saying on the radio its likely the years are the hangup for us, so if we are unwilling to guarantee a third year its pretty unlikely that we will sign him especially if he’s about to decide in the next few days.
if the AAV is only 10-12 million i say just give him the third year. we have a ton of money coming off the books next year, that third year isn’t going to be a major problem even if beltran tanks which is unlikely anyway.
if the offers are close, if i were him, i would prefer being back in the NL central rather than the AL east
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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730 comments, and the biggest thing that happened today was the royals signing betancourt
by hr on Dec 20, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
bored VEB is bored.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
As Rick James once said
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
some people need to learn when to cut their losses
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Darwin'd
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 20, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Worst comment section EVER.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
it doesn't matter, it's transliterated from hebrew so you spell it however it sounds right
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
Anybody gives you any lip, tell them
If you want to be really really technical the k should be geminated: Chanukkah. Don’t worry, they won’t know what it means either.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Chaka Khan?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Um, Gentile Hanukkah?
As a Catholic I’m pretty sure that gentile is the Hebrew term and secular is a Catholic term
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, "gentile" is a Catholic term, a Latin adjective representing attributive use of Hebrew "goyim"
“Gentile” is racial in reference: the goyim are the “nations”, meaning al lthe nations beyond the bnai Yishro’el. “Secular” is temporal in reference: “of an age” as opposed to “eternal”.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Thank you
Also does anyone have the “the more you know” pic?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 8:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Although of we are talking language over culture then I shouldn't have said Hebrew in the first place as that is simply a analogy age and the one most early Catholics spoke
As the roman empire dominated Latin speaking Catholicism spread under the same great oppression of other Catholicism until Constantine revealed his Catholicism and made Catholicism the official religion of Rome.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your auto-correct appears to be speaking in tongues
… but most early Catholics spoke Greek, not Latin.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Yes when my autocorrect isn't undergoing an exorcism I was refering to language and how early Catholics didn't speak Latin until about AD 300 or so
Although I was under the impression that they spoke Hebrew because I did not realize that they spoke Greek. Thank you again
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In fact it's a matter of heated controversy whether *anybody* spoke Hebrew as a mother-tongue.
The best guess is that except for a few country folk most Jews spoke Aramaic among themselves. The international language of business and government and scholarship was Greek.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Of course! Joseph of Arimathea!
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 9:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And yes that's my second Monty Python reference of the day
I hope there aren’t limits on such a thing
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2011 9:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We're not known
for recognizing when a joke is overdone. You’ve got at least a couple more left to go before you run into any trouble.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 20, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
It was a logical switch
I mean, they probably got tired of Greek as soon as they learned how simple Latin is.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'm part native american, does that count?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 20, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Haha Tonkakuh
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 20, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Tatanka is never wrong
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't we used to call Chris Perez "Tatanka"
or was that me and my real-life friends?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i was thinking "dances with wolves."
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
looks like a not so chubby Ken Caminiti
/too soon?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
ok, I'm ready for the Cards to sign Beltran.
make it happen Mo. Don’t disappoint me.
"Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think." ~ Horace
x
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by tom s. on Dec 20, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Nice
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
So sbnation app and computer account aren’t sync-ed in terms of read comments. Boo.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Dec 20, 2011 7:40 PM EST via Android app reply actions
trust you to be using android
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 20, 2011 7:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
must....download.....app....don't....have.....room....
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Looks strangely familiar in style, hmmmmmmmm?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
ouiiiiii
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
it also appears that
if i post a comment on my iPod app, it doesn’t appear on my browser version.
Since i’m trying to test this, can people see a comment by me, in reply to azru, that isn’t this one.
Bursting into song.
there is one that says
trust you to be using android
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 20, 2011 5:44 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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right ok
so when i post stuff using the app, i can’t see it on the browser but everyone else can.
Goddamnit SBN.
Bursting into song.
that's even true across browsers
log in in chrome and in firefox. make a post in one and it won’t pop up in the other
this app is nothing special
I want live commenting!
/sorry bjork
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by CodyG on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
NEW COMPUTER!!!!!
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 7:45 PM EST reply actions
SONOFA
UFC 143 is the night before superbowl. damnit
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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sounds like you're going to have a very alcohol filled weekend.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
well now we have to fly out relatively early the next day due to the time change
the superbowl starts at 430 AZ time
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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and hotel rooms are outrageously expensive
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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you're just going to be in vegas, right?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. its like a 45 min flight
but then an hour time difference.
fuck it. we’re getting in at 4:25. we can DVR the game
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
You should stay and make ridiculous prop bets all game at whatever hotel you're staying at.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
this.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
what are prop bets
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Stuff like
Who will win the coin toss, how long with the nat’l anthem take, how many yards will a person gain in the first quarter….
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 20, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
the sports department here did a world series game 7 prop bet pool
i won because i knew allen craig would do it for torty and hit the game’s first homer.
all I want for Christmas is Carlos Beltran
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 20, 2011 8:20 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
I recommended this comment
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm rec'ing the sig
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
it's the only thing that will make up for signing jared, k-mac, and romeo
SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
(but in reality, I'm just glade we won the world series this year)
next year is like the world series hangover year, ugh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, check my sig man ... We can DO EEEET!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
For the start of the long holiday weekend, I'm going to start off by making a huge batch of
Party Mix, then re-watch the Cardinals great run through the Playoffs and the World Series yet once again. That remarkable stretch is etched in my mind so greatly I don’t even care about NFL/NBA action at this point. Can’t wait till spring.
Happy Holiday VEB, and bless you all…
by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 20, 2011 8:36 PM EST reply actions
Thank you TifK and same right back at you!
If you run out of programming, purchase and/or re-watch the 06’ set as I’m doing this Holliday, and then back to the 2011 set
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you much IMlA, and I've bout wore out my 06 Set..
I also watch the quite alot that1st Game of the 68 WS when Gibby sets the WS strike out record, that performance still gives me goose bumps…
by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 20, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I just bought but have yet to watch the 60's and 40's sets! Looking forward to them as well!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Happy Holidays!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
thanks!
Happy Holidays to you too!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
OT: British friends have you heard if Catherine Tate's doing a special this year?
Jump to about 2:20 or so if you want to jump right in, or just let it roll
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
i have no idea
but i doubt it.
There will be a Doctor Who special (contrary to previous reports)
Bursting into song.
I always look forward to the doctor who Christmas special
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So did anyone like this?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like Jocketty might be searching under the couch cushions to overpay for Francisco Cordero...
Dude will be 37 and struck out 5.5 per 9 last year.
Sign Roy O
214 babip...
lowest walk rate in years and he basically broke out two new pitches at age 36, according to fangraphs. Weird…
Sign Roy O
Sounds like he's suffering from a case of Franklinitis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well, they did sign Jonathan "Riverdance" Papelbon
Philadelphia needs ALL the closers!
Bursting into song.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
da sky.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
MLBTR says Ross is now looking for just a 2 year deal.
I would like him over Crisp, especially if we could convince him to take a one year deal, then use the extra cash next year in what will be a much deeper OF FA class.
by mick311 on Dec 20, 2011 9:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
and also make sure he knows he's the 4th outfielder once Craig gets back
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
And there's a ton of AB's in that role
Every time there is a lefty, either Jay or Berkman would sit. There would be days off occasionally. And there will certainly be some DL stints beyond Craig’s.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 20, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
this whole 4th outfielder situations is so strange to me
how many teams back up CF will be making less than the teams starting CF by design?
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 20, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
is anyone actually doing any work this week?
i’ve been out every day & it’s hella busy every where. WTH did all these people come from?
Balls
I gotsta work til noon on thursday
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
well i do, it's Christmas man! no one should work
unless you’re in retail or at a restaurant. then all bets are off
Balls
yes, i will be working until 4:30 on friday afternoon.
which i bet is the latest anyone here will be working, save for maybe IHB.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be working until between 6-7 on friday
and probably 4-5 on Saturday, followed by a 2 hour drive to the family Chistmas
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
sounds terrible.
my brother works retail until 6:30 on saturday. just awful.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I love this time of year
nearly all the “useful idiots” take these two weeks off, so you can get SO MUCH done. In general, you can also ID the people you can count on in your organization. They don’t have to be there, and in fact, I encourage liberal leave, so the really valuable people usually actually WON’T be there, but they do all have blackberries, and you can send a few well-timed 9-am emails crying wolf, and see who responds. Even a simple “hey boss, need anything?” lets you know they are checking in, and if the real boss gets lit up, and lights up the chain, you have some idea who you can count on to back you up.
And, of course, the “real work” does still get done. A lot less “make work” gets done, which is also nice, but you can also use this time to calibrate the “real work” to “make work” ratio, especially if you are dealing with support contractors. You can use that for a lot of things, during the “normal” year. If nothing else, I love having the ability to quantify telling people to F$%^& off—imho, a level 3 person with that coin in his/her pocket is worth more to an org than pretty much any level 4 person.
Also, this is the perfect opportunity for “strategic planning” kinds of things. Face time with the boss (he’ll be there), talk about how to use your new guys, get them some face time, show off a bit, teach him why he shouldn’t sign the Aaron Mileses of whatever industry you are in. Set him up for a good mark with HIS boss, and plan how to show him how to get there.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
by SleepyCA on Dec 21, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good question: If you had to pick one topic to write about concerning the Cardinals, what would it be?
Topic should make the reader think “Oh wow never thought about it like that” and also be creative and different from other people.
*The person reading this likely does not know about sabermetrics so “creative” may not be a hard stretch to reach.
I’m not going to say what this is for just because I have a weird superstition about this.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
It's not homework.
I’m doing this voluntary.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
In 1882 Chris von der Ahe put up much of the team's original capital
in order to secure the beer concession and promote traffic to his tavern next to Sportsman’s Park.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
i would love to read his biography.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
honestly
i would like an analysis of the highest all time BABIP leaders for the cardinals. i would want the analysis to include spray charts and batted ball data.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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David Freese is a big deal right now
How about Six Degrees of Freese. You can trace back the player acquisition lineage that led to him becoming a Cardinal.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
this is a cool idea and very timely
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Can you explain the Six Degrees thing?
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
you are so young
this was the first thing on the internet
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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How would that work with David Freese though in an article?
I actually knew what he was referring to.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
oh i don't know lol
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Player acquisition
As in David Freese was begat by Jim Edmonds, who was begat by Kent Bottenfield and Adam Kennedy, who was drafted 20th overall by the Cardinals in 1997; So if the Cardinals would have had a different record in 1996, we may have never have had Edmonds, let alone Freese.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
You even did the begat thing
It’s like you read my freaking mind!
Also, just in time for Christmas
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Whoa...
NEW YORK — The New York Mets will no longer operate a team in the Gulf Coast League, the organization announced in a statement released on Tuesday.
Instead, the club will be conducting three Rookie League teams in Kingsport, Tenn., and one out of its facility in the Dominican Republic.
The GCL Mets finished their 2011 season with a record of 27-29 (.482), finishing in third place and 12 games behind the East division-leading GCL Marlins.
The GCL team used the club’s Spring Training complex in Port St. Lucie, Fla., as its base of operations and entered the league in 1988.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
woh veb
over 1200 comments already
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 20, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions
MLBTR says Cubs and Reds looking to swap Marshall for Travis Wood...
Damn, Marshall is really good, I would be surprised to see them give him up for Travis Wood and not get a little more. that would be a great deal for CIN in my opinion.
by mick311 on Dec 20, 2011 10:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wood is very solid (lol)
and is under team control. and is a starter.
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know, I guess I didn't really look into
Woods numbers, I just thought he was pretty awful last year. His 31% GB rate isn’t gonna benefit him in July at Wrigley, although I guess CIN isn’t much better. I still don’t think its an awful trade for CIN though, they have depth at SP and apparently wanna give Chapman a shot at the rotation. They already have Cueto, Latos, Leake, Bailey and are stuck with Arroyo (lol).
So there isn’t a whole lot of room for Wood in the rotation anyway…Arroyo has what? 3 more years left and all the other guys in that rotation have 2 plus years of team control, so he is blocked anyway. Marshall would be a nice upgrade for their pen and Jocketty is trying to win now.
by mick311 on Dec 20, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'd be happy if mo found a way to get wood
be nice to stick in the back end of the rotation after lohse and westbrook leave
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
UHM
TWMWS?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
this was on purpose, right?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
it has to be
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by CodyG on Dec 20, 2011 11:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
maybe the reds would be interested in cox
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
or perhaps some wong?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
in the wong direction?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
they couldn't afford pujols
they’d have to settle for cox
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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahah
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
So long as he doesn't jerk around Cox and Wong
I’m all for it.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Take your coarse verbiage elsewhere, good sir.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Marshall's a free agent in 2013.
Wood has five years of team control left. That would actually probably be an awful deal for the Reds.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
except that travis wood sucks.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
If Wood throws 200 innings, there's a decent chance he's worth the same as Marshall.
Hell, he has 3.3 WAR in 208.2 IP for his career. And I know the difference between doing that in one season and two is great but still that doesn’t seem like a very good deal for the Reds at all.
Guess they’re really going all in on this year.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
i just wanted to give a no research irrational opinion of travis wood.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Bill James projects Wood for 2.1fWAR over
160IP next year. Sean Marshall put up 2.8fWAR last year in 75 innings. This isn’t exactly a fair comparison. Your taking his total WAR combined over two seasons and 200ip and comparing him to a season of Marshall.
If you can get 2.8WAR out of a RP, that is way more valuable than 2.1WAR out of a starter. Even if Wood did match Marshalls WAR next year, it would still be an upgrade for CIN. Wood is most likely competing for the 5th spot in the rotation (and thats assuming Chapman isn’t in the rotation) if they trade him, CIN would be replacing him with Bailey (who was more valuable last season). If you look at Bailey’s last two years, they are similar to Wood’s in terms of IP (210) and fWAR (3.1).
In terms of WAR, CIN would be losing close to nothing in the rotation, and gaining somewhere around 2-3 wins by adding Marshall to the BP for next season. If you want to say its a bad trade because Wood is cheap and under team control its understandable, and I don’t think its an awful trade for CHI, but I still think its a good trade for CIN. They have a depth at SP and all their starters are locked up for the next few years anyway, they don’t stand to lose much replacing Wood in the rotation over that span.
by mick311 on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK, heres your really pathetic historical baseball stat for the day
The all-time home run leader for Comiskey Park (1910-1990), is Carlton Fisk, with a whopping 94 home runs. 80 years and thats it…94 HRs?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 10:39 PM EST reply actions
347 in left, 407 in center, 347 in right
old dimensions – 362, 420, 365…yeah it was huge, but still, that total seems really low
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
You know who I'd rather have as 6th outfielder instead of Skipperdoodle?
Ryan Ludwick.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
white russian
check
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2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
congrats?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
also, to continue a twitter conversation...
you’re STILL in the market for a computer? didn’t you ask VEB about a computer like over a year ago and it spurned a pretty nasty debate about how netbooks suck and how they don’t suck?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
that is likely correct
but my fucking $500 gateway from 2005 still works! like i keep expecting it to break down any day!
it is really heavy though, so its annoying.
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2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
just spill something on it.
makes you get that new one real, real quickly.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
netbooks have basically failed, since then, though
do we have any metrics on who the evil people were, who supported them, as late as 2010?
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Did you happen to put a rug under your bed?
It really ties the room together.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 20, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you're out of your element mattybobo
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by the way, the only reason i started drinking these in high school was because of that movie
i haven’t had one in years
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98
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
i believe it was 1998
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1998
And the only reason I started drinking them freshman year was that movie.
Not afraid to nitpick
also, John Goodman does not appreciate being yelled at for 2 hours
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
VI Lenin...Vladimir Ilyich Uliynov
shut the fuck up Donnie!
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
how did you even know how to spell that
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is that right?
it was just an educated guess
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think it kind of depends on how you transliterate it from Cyrillic into the Roman alphabet
There is probably more than one acceptable way to do it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I never had a caucasian until I went to the Lebowskifest in Louisville in 05
and I’ve never had one since
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
and wtf not?
they are delicious!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
adult chocolate milk
i only put a dash of milk in it. and the milk curdled a little, which has never happened to me before. thought that was odd
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
yes. was that a mistake?
but also the kaluha and the vodka i keep in the freezer
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
how about another Caucasian Gary?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't play chess with russians.
They are really good at it.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
i also made a really easy awesome dinner using the recipe generator.
THANKS PINTEREST
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some people from Barrett-Jackson were in Cbus today for some reason
had i known i would have gone down there & blown all of them for a job. well, maybe not blown. but i would have pointed them in the direction where said blowing could have taken place.
they ate here, which looks douchey but nice. i’ve never heard of it
Balls
update:
I am in fact getting The HAT for Christmas
Also, anyone know how to legally make $5000 quickly?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
put $5000 on black?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
i don't have the initial $5000
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
other than gambling, i can't think of a good way to legally make $5000 quickly
you could ask your employer for loan that you pay back from your paycheck over time
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Invest in Carlos Beltran Cardinals sherseys?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
still need initial capital
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2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
or on the rams losing.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, you said legally.
Nevermind.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Convicted?,…. no never convicted
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Found out what to do with this bottle of Jameson.
On the rocks with a twist and a splash of water and it’s pretty damn good.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
my buddy in PT school swore by Dr. Jameson
Dr. Pepper and Jameson
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
"send it to fang" is also an acceptable solution.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
HOPE YOU HAVE SOME WHISKEY STONES
aw damn i bet my milk wouldn’t have curdled if i had some…
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
little known fact, that's how you're supposed to drink many whiskey's & bourbon's
it is in fact not unmanly to add ice or water. that’s how the people who invented them meant them to be drank
also sending it to GDM is also an acceptable answer
Balls
is this really a little known fact?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
i'm really asking
that is how i first learned to drink bourbon and whiskey so i figured it was just the way to do it
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
who taught you? dad or grandpa?
i read last month in a paper out of Scotland i think about how most higher end scotches & whiskeys were supposed to be drank like this, and the same could be said for American bourbons & whiskey’s. the feeling is drinking them is supposed to be an enjoyable experience but most people don’t have the taste buds to handle them without neat.
Balls
college roommates
i don’t know for certain that they knew it was supposed to be done this way…but thats certainly how they drank it
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I do not like to syrup up my liqueur so I only add a little water and ice
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 20, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but that's usually with proof > 80
barrel strength whiskeys especially, i find if i add water to a 80 proof whiskey it’s too watery for me
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by tehzachatak on Dec 20, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
most people don't find the taste that enjoyable without some ice or water
which is fine by me, that just means more for me
Balls
Oh god not ice, it's not meant to be cold and enough ice and it'll water down way too much
A splash of water can open up a scotch though.
Not afraid to nitpick
because i'm bored
you’re on death row. what is your last meal?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
A LUNCHABLE
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
really? not one rec?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
i legit thought it was a good comment.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Well, you hate how people give you crap about lunchables.
And then you post shit like that. Just saying…
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
by C@rdball on Dec 21, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you two are so cute
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by tehzachatak on Dec 21, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gabe is just jealous.
at least i’m not posting from some bullshit account.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
bacon
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Given that I'm on death row for being a serial killer cannibal
Probably some pork tenderloin since people apparently taste the most like pork. Or is it once you go cannibal you can’t go back to pork since it’s not as good?
Not afraid to nitpick
all you can eat buffet
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by CodyG on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
if I kept eating, would that delay my death?
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by CodyG on Dec 20, 2011 11:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
/Check username
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by CodyG on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
woolly mammoth
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Several M4's, a few dozen clips of ammunition, body armor, and a few dozen grenades
and maybe some nachos
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 20, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
YES NACHOS
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I want to go so badly but I'm playing basketball tomorrow
and this Hobbit trailer needs to be watched several more times
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
rib eye, fried chicken, mac & cheese, red mashed potatoes, peas, honey butter rolls
brownies, triple chocolate cookies & pie. lots & lots of pie
Balls
a plate of fresh pasta with butter, with a huge black truffle shaved all over it
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by tehzachatak on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
The following:
Hot an Sour soup
Fried tofu with scallions and garlic sauce
Long beans with black bean sauce
Szechuan Eggplant and fresh bamboo shoots
Ma Po tofu (silken style)
VEB WINTER MEET-UP DISCUSSION
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What the hell I know how to make all of these
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I think
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Not that Szechuan shit though
Those fuckers ain’t know nothin’
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MY LAST MEAL WOULD BE AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF MEALS AND THEN THEY COULD NEVER KILL ME
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Worked for Mo Vaughn . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Heard that he was. Then he worked out the endless meal plan at Attica. State was going broke and let him serve out the rest of his sentence. . .
. . . with the Mets, and he had to endure the fans and sports writers. Eventually the Supreme Court got involved. They freed him from the Mets on 8th Amendment grounds. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
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by akaitori on Dec 21, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
just a spinach salad with fresh tomatoes.
Death row-me is on a diet.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 21, 2011 2:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well, it would clearly involve nyotaimori, and some $50,000/ounce sushi
Not sure if it even exists, but maybe coelacanth? Or maybe propose something extinct, (Ichthyosaurus?) so they have to go all Star Trek IV in order to kill you. Except Ichthies don’t sing.
OTOH, I’d be totally freaked out if my GF did the “sex and the city” thing. I mean, yeah, I’d eat it, and it would be yummy, but the important bits, I’ve hopefully eaten before.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Fried chicken and a tiger blood snowcone.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 21, 2011 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
Or maybe a really big plate of axe wound.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 21, 2011 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
O...O !!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
OT: I know several people here had mentioned being on goodreads
and damn, at least the filling out what you like and don’t like part of that site is pretty darn fun.
Your daily December Christmas song:
Tonight, that lovely little holiday tune by that mock rock band from the 80s:
Bad News – Cashing In On Christmas
What? Were you expecting something different? Oh, those guys? They came second, Bad News was first. And Brian May produced the album, so sod off.
Fiiiiine. Here.
Spinal Tap – Christmas with the Devil
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 20, 2011 11:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 21, 2011 12:06 AM EST reply actions
Looks pretty good.
Some of those dwarves look pretty human, though. Thorin especially.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 21, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I thought that too
But we only saw a handful of dwarves in LOTR, and only Gimli for more than a single scene. Thorin is the leader, hero type though
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 21, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ian Mckellen is a straight g.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Holy shit.
ShelbyMiller19 Shelby C Miller
Send me your favorite quotes out of movies. I’m driving and need entertainment!
Pay attention to the road, for pete’s sake!
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter
i really wish Shelby didn't have twitter
because the more he tweets, the more my opinion of him drops.
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by tehzachatak on Dec 21, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
I stopped following all of the guys in the minors.
I don’t begrudge them the chance to be young and goofy, but I’m not much interested in getting play-by-play of it.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 21, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
#reasonsnottofollowfang
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
defiitely increases the odds of the "unexpected tragedy".
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Great combo for drining and driving. . . .
Last time I was in St Louis, was in a bar where Jim Ray Hart was smashed out of his mind. . . staggered up to leave as I was passing. I told him, "Jim, hope you’re driving, because you’re in no condition to walk. . . "
Waitress thought it was good, did not stay around long enough for Jim’s reply. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
just out of curiousity
how did you recognize Jim Ray Hart?
I have no idea how to do these things; I would probably fail picking any member of the 2011 cards out of an aisle, at Schnooks, assuming I knew how to spell Schnooks. Much less an aging dude who played for another team, after drinking.
Was someone like “dude, that’s JRH”? Or did you know him from way back when?
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
He was with some friends and one was louder than the next. Sort of recognized him from his playing dayss. . .
. . but a bigger clue was when they called him by name. …
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
did they say "Hey!, Jim Ray Hart" you are really pissed Jim Ray Hart", then turn to other friend and say "Man, I've never seen Jim Ray Hart this drunk before, Have you ever seen Jim Ray Hart this drunk before?"
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 22, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
This was meant in fun, because if anyone actually addresses him with all 3 names it would sound hilarious
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 22, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
...herro?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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goodnight rui
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
hi bitch
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 21, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't like Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Really?
Damn thought that movie was going to be goooood.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
I thought the Swedish version was better
It deviated from the book more, which was annoying, but it was a bit more earnest I think.
This American one was about an hour too long and moved at a slow pace. Mara and Craig were both incredible casting choices though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You totally copied Ebert on this
but it was a bit more earnest I think.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
You guys wrote 1500 comments today.
by purple_haze on Dec 21, 2011 12:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Or Tuesday
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 21, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Marshall for Wood trade
Cubs also expected to get 2 “minor leaguers” in the deal. I’m guessing the 2 others in the deal must just be organizational depth. Reds are starting to scare me though, they look pretty strong.
On a side note, I would of loved to get Wood, to go along with our Cox and Wong.
by rumors on Dec 21, 2011 2:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If only we had gotten Grady
Sizemore
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 21, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think our Cox and Wong would have played bigger with Sizemore
But MO is probably Loving some Cox and Wong Wood
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
/'and' fail
O_O heh
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
This sounds promising
The Cardinals are a compelling destination, a source familiar with Beltran’s opinion said. He would be reunited with Houston teammate Berkman to reform the tandem that nearly upended the pennant-winning Cardinals in the 2004 National League championship series.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/beltran-expected-to-chose-team-soon/article_47d6c8a1-a8a5-5305-bd98-88bf129674fd.html#ixzz1h9QxgxsD
it just seems from everything i have seen
we likely have made a 2 year offer which he won’t accept, and we are just waiting for him to sign with someone else so we can sign the cheaper coco crisp.
I agree
I can’t come up with very good sentences to explain why because I’ve drank too much. But, I agree.
by Cheeseballs on Dec 21, 2011 2:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the larger offer is from the Jays
there is a legitimate chance he would choose to play here for several reasons:
1. The Jays will not contend soon, and he is aging rapidly.
2. The Cardinals are immediate WS contenders with him on board.
3. He still wants to play a position, and the Jays would largely have him DH
4. He would not want to move to Canada
5. The artificial turf is horrible for his knees.
6. He’d love to play with Berkman again.
If the money is eve remotely close, I think he comes here. That being said, if the BoSox outbid us, say buhbye.
Or maybe it's just about the respect
/monies
by Cheeseballs on Dec 21, 2011 2:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that all makes sense in theory
but i have just reached the point where i always fully expect the player to take the most money no matter what the circumstance. about 90% of the time that is what happens.
i bet he signs with the jays 3/40
sadly thats true
I think an aging player is much more likely to take a “good situation” into account than a young guy, however. Especially a guy like Beltran who has played for a long time and never won a WS….I bet the pull to win one before his career is over is pretty strong. This very well might be his last contract; would he really want to whittle it away with the Blue Jays?
Let’s hope not.
I have zero desire to compete with a 3y/$40m offer.
If the jays offer that, and he wants a non-contender, vaya con dios, carlos.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 21, 2011 5:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
umm
A second National League team has also made an offer.
who is this? I thought it was us, Boston, Toronto, and Tampa? Could it be San Fran?
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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And
we (the Pirates) did nothing of note, as usual. Awesome.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 21, 2011 2:53 AM EST reply actions
if Lance Berkman was a Pirate, he'd give you a hug.
Unfortunately, he’s a Cardinal next year.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Honestly, it wouldn't be smart to sign a big FA at this point for you guys
You’re doing it the right way, and the team is improving. Trust the draft and it will get better. It just won’t happen overnight.
and keep the good ones you develop,
Huntington “Optimistic” About McCutchen Extension
By Mike Axisa [December 18, 2011 at 2:25pm CST]
Talks about a long-term contract extension between the Pirates and Andrew McCutchen didn’t progress much this summer, but GM Neal Huntington told fans that he’s “optimistic” about reaching an agreement with the star outfielder at PirateFest yesterday, reports Bill Brink of The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
so the first version of the winter warmup pricing (12/16) hat Berk at $75
and today, he’s suddenly $100
boo
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
He'll probably sign at Boston, who will throw a ton of moolah at him....
…unless, of course:
;=8)
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
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