projectabilitification
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 4:09 AM EST
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Printthis got knocked around a little bit last night, but dan szymborski had pity on a man coming off a plane with nothing to write about and posted his projections for the st. louis cardinals in 2012.
actually the coolest thing about the projections is that you can practically taste that sweet, sweet prospect-y goodness. matt adams being worth a 98 OPS+ next year (the same projection as for david freese)? yes, please. occasionally downtrodden zach cox putting down a 92 OPS+? okey-doke. neck-and-neck 3B prospect matt carpenter with a 94 OPS+? sure. shelby miller out-pitching lance lynn (starter edition), who in turn out-pitches kyle lohse and jake westbrook? i should be paying $3.99 a minute to hear this.
now, of course, the most likely outcome, barring catastrophic injury, is that we do not see much of those four prospects this year. they'll have a further season to mature. in 2013, when we might more likely see some of these guys, they should be ready to put on a good show. of course, it is silly to put too much faith in these projections. there are many slips betwixt cup and lip, and i don't think all of them would truly pick up a bat tomorrow and put up those numbers.
but it is good news for the future. moreover, it's reassuring for now - both carpenter and cox are projected to hit numbers more or less comparable to descalso (93 OPS+), which would make them adequate infield backups, if needed.
in the outfield
the new projections are also a chance to bash some conventional VEB targets. in the anual game of "what league-min player is skip schumaker now comparable to?" skip (5th outfielder edition) looks indistinguishable from rule 5 pickup erik komatsu (both projected for an 86 OPS+), except that komatsu would probably be a good centerfielder. both have better projections than adron chambers (83 OPS+), which is slightly surprising to me. i could stand to watch chambers spend the season in AAA to let komatsu take a reserve outfield role, but staying in memphis so skip can take up a roster spot is somewhat annoying. aaron luna hangs about looking like a potential emergency call-up a la andrew brown (85 OPS+). ZiPS has just given up on shane robinson and daryl jones; sorry, guys.
behind the plate
ZiPS weighs in strongly on the backup catcher debate, projecting an 82 OPS+ for bryan anderson, compared to a 74 OPS+ for tony cruz. backup catcher is not the most exciting position on the field, but it will surely be interesting to see how this shakes out in spring training. (p.s. dan, if you're reading this, it looks like you did the tigers projection before gerald laird signed in detroit, and thus he appears in neither team's projections. i'd be interested in comparing his projection to our current backups.)
around the bases
without going back over adams, cox, carpenter, and descalso's projections above, they all look like decent potential backups during the season. the fairly small margin between cox, carpenter, and descalso on one hand, and freese, the third baseman they might replace, on the other (98 OPS+) shows that ZiPS has cast a fairly strong "no" vote on the perennial VEB debate: "is david freese's BABIP sustainable?" i actually don't have strong feelings either way in the discussion, but i'll be watching his numbers, like his ankles, in 2012 with some trepidation. hopefully, they will all hold up. in the absence of a beltran signing, the club will have to work to fill the offensive gap left by albert's departure, and serious regression by freese would create a big problem.
at first, matt adams looks solid, outstripping mark hamilton's 94 OPS+ despite competing at a lower level. even so, let's hope that we don't need to call on either this year; an average or tick-below-average bat doesn't belong at first base.
in the middle infield, ZiPS is not optimistic about tyler greene, looking at an 84 OPS+. while i'd rather see him at second than skip schumaker, the projection system seems pretty keen on a descalso-furcal middle infield. i'm not sure there's enough defensive difference between greene and descalso to justify giving greene a majority of PA's at second. most likely, tyler will get his chance in the field, but i suspect it will be intermittent. on the other hand, for the membership of the tyler greene fanclub, ZiPS recognizes (down below at the ODDIBE section) that greene has a remarkable high ceiling, to match a pretty low floor - assuming that i'm interpreting ODDIBE correctly.
ZiPS is not sad to see ryan theriot go (80 OPS+).ZiPS does not share my optimism on ryan jackson's offensive production (70 OPS+), but does not see him as Kozma-esque (56 OPS+). on the other hand, jackson still has another year to develop, and for a true plus-plus defensive shortstop, a 70 OPS is not disqualifying. elvis andrus had an 82, 72, and 87 OPS+ in the last three seasons.
on the mound
other than shelby miller's surprising-but-not-really projection, i most enjoy the surprisingly sharp projection for lance lynn the starting pitcher, with a big gap between him and westbrook. i'm perfectly happy to throw him into the rotation in spring training and make the better-paid starters at least sweat some about whether they can keep their jobs. unsurprsingly, adam wainwright is supposed to be really, really good, and chris carpenter and jaime garcia will both be slightly less good than that.
the pitchers projected as relievers tells us pretty much what we knew already - motte, salas, and sanchez are outstanding; rzepczynski and boggs are nice; and kyle mcclellan is getting paid more than any of them. surprising to me, ZiPS likes both chuckie fick (who i've never taken terribly seriously) and jordan swagerty better than mcclellan. wow.
jc romero looks dreadful, at an 84 OPS+; it is really essential that he be treated exclusively as a specialist. is it legal to fine matheny $1000 every time romero pitches to a RH batter? also, ryan franklin (80 ERA+) ranks with rich rundles (79 ERA+) and recent surgery victim adam reifer (80 ERA+). ugh.
last, it is fun to check out the player comps at the bottom. eric komatsu's third comp is curt flood? matt holliday = a smiling, well-tempered will clark? lance berkman = chili davis? allen craig has the most interesting full set of comps on the position player side: jose guillen, jermaine dye, and xavier nady. again, the shelby miller comps take the cake: jason schmidt (38.6 career WAR), tim hudson (49.0 thus far), and steve bedrosian (8.2 WAR, meh).
i would take the tyler greene-julio lugo comp if that means we get the good few seasons with lugo. and i think edwin jackson would pay dan some serious cash not to be compared to jeff weaver and sid ponson. seriously, dan, see if he'll cough up some money.
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Slightly digressive question:
If the Jays have surprisingly won the Darvish sweepstakes (as widely reported), and if it’s true that we were the two main players for Beltran, does this improve our chances of landing our utility outfielder of choice?
Still bitching to contact.
Ummm.... yes?
I’m not sure what you are looking for here; “No, we stand no chance against the MYSTERY TEAM” or “There’s no way we can sign him now, we can’t out-bid ourselves!”
wow, who peed in your pale ale?
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 17, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Chuckle fick dominated international competition this offseason
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fink is a righty and Rundles is a lefty, so they're not really going for the same spot/role (in case that was a premise of your question)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
That's Fick, not Fink. (fink may be a lefty, after all)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I was actually just asking who had the better name
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 18, 2011 5:49 AM EST up reply actions
Several things-
1. The Miller comp reminds me of an argument I once had with a hardcore Phillies fan who was convinced Bedrosian belongs in the HOF. Dear God no.
2. Eww Rich Rundles.
3. Seems way pessimistic on Berkman and Holliday each. I’m taking over on respective .269 and .288 AVGs there.
4. For taking over on Berk and Lego, that Adams projection looks insanely optimistic.
Just thoughts for now. Dear God it’s quarter to 5 here I need to go to bed.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
FULL REVERSE! ALL SYSTEMS!
Carlos Beltran has at least one offer worth $10MM per year on the table, tweets Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com. With the Rockies out of the picture after signing Michael Cuddyer, Beltran’s known market includes the Blue Jays, Cardinals and two mystery teams.
Bursting into song.
Err... Wait
that would be good right? I don’t know why my brain instinctivley thought that was a bad thing.
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 17, 2011 7:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I had the exact same type of freak out
Before I realized, hey, that’s not a lot at all (relatively speaking). I guess this off-season has just conditioned us all to expect absurdly over the top offers.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 17, 2011 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
$10M per season certainly sounds like a Cardinals' offer for Beltran.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
Disrespect!
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 17, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
THEY NEED TO MAKE HIM FEEL LIKE FAMILY
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 17, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, how much are they offering for the PSC?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Personal Service Contract
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
You had to bring up the notorious PSC
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 10:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
pretty funny accidental funny, yes?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
My services are not for sale
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 17, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
"Everybodys gonna pay"
The Universe is shaped exactly like the Earth; If you go straight long enough you'll end up where you were.
The market is setting his value, it's no disrespect
just supply and demand equilibration.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
St Louis insult market begins at $30 million for five years. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
No one hits more than 21 dingers? No one hits over .300?
Suddenly it’s the Brunansky era again. Who is this guy?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
I'd say Holliday is the only good bet to hit over .300
Nearly everyone in the lineup is projected at league average or better.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
No, he was barely a .300 hitter in the minors
And has a .290 BA at the major league level with a .322 BABIP.
It’s certainly possible, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
He was more than "barely"
His career minor league average is dragged down by his A- average of .254 over 201 PA in 2006 and his rehab stint average of .244 in 47 PA last season. In 2007, between Springfield and Palm Beach, he hit .312 in 468 PA. In 2008, he hit .304 in Springfield during 568 PA. In 2009, he hit .322 in Memphis during 521 PA. And in 2010, while splitting time between St. Louis and Memphis, he hit .320 in 306 AB.
From 2007 through 2010, he constantly hit above .300 at every level with power. Also, his .290 MLB average is dragged down by his struggles as a pinch hitter in St. Louis in 2010, when he hit only .246 in 124 PA. Last season’s .315 and 11 HRs in 219 PA is much more in line with the hitter he is.
you realize its a lot harder to hit in the majors than in the minors?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 18, 2011 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yes I do...
…but you were the one who said Craig was “barely a .300 hitter in the minors.” The reality was he came up as a consistent .300 hitter.
It’s also harder to hit at different minor league levels. Yet, Craig experienced little to no drop off as he moved up, and in the case of making the jump from AA to AAA, his BA actually improved. That’s unusual for any prospect. It’s something to keep in mind when discussing him; you don’t simply toss out his minor league history simply because it’s “easier.”
Also, as I pointed out, his overall MLB average is dragged down by his struggles in 2010, when he had trouble adjusting as a pinch hitter. He had nearly 100 more PAs this past season and hit .312, which is more in line with what he’s done in his career. Despite an extremely slow start, his overall MLB BA is still .290. I’ll take the bet.
Alright
Craig’s career minor league average is .307. That’s barely above .300. His AAA was .320, but his AA average was .300. You can’t just throw out AA because it doesn’t match your narrative.
You also can’t just throw out his first 120 PA because they were bad either. That’s called cherry picking. His career average is .290 and that’s with a .322 BABIP, which is above what we should expect from him going forward.
.276 is a fair projection. It’s only low if you assume the best case scenario for Craig.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 19, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
i would be shocked if holliday finished the season at .288
other than his rookie year, he’s only finished below .300 once. would also be surprised if he finishes with more berks than berkman.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Remmeber it will be easier to pitch around him now that heaven has sent for its newest Angle . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
we all had hoped heaven can wait, but they couldn't. now there's not a dry eye in the Cardinals house
because like a bat outta hell he’s gone. all DeWitt & Mo had to say was they’d do anything for love, but they just couldn’t do that. i guess nothing’s sacred anymore because he saw paradise by Artie’s dashboard light. so off he goes hoping his rock & roll dreams come true, while we’re left with the fact that two outta three world series flags ain’t so bad
Balls
by gdm426 on Dec 18, 2011 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Ewwwwwwww.....
rec’d.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, eww for all the cliches, rec'd for the "hard" work.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
Still to be explained/exploited the Angle-Angel question. . . .
Which came first – Arte’s trying to one-up Chavez Ravine (angle in first allusion) or Disney’s view of Angels in America (signing Albert for three percent of the world’s money supply.
Me thinks the angle trumped the Angel. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
"Chicken" answer. . . Still think that DeWitt is thrilled with the results. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I am not a Meatloaf fan
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Meat Loaf is kinda gross, y'know.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Well he is "the fat man that sweats a lot"
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
He has a lovely pair of breasts
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Funny ... he's probably a a member of the manssiere club for men™
My comment was a ref: to The Bribe, in which Charles Laughton plays the “fat man who sweats a lot”, scene is also used in Dead Men Don’t Wear Plaid
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Also not a wet eye in DeWitt's camp. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
for crying out loud man, VEB is still in mouring Albert left the promised land
for the land of lost boys & golden girls where angel’s sing. a lot are on razors edge & hoping he’ll be a fallen angel & Artie will soon will be saying life is a lemon & i want my money back because i was planning on more than 45 seconds of ecstasy. some like me feel the last 11 years are now the years of wasted youth, i for one hope he’s ready for the shit storm that’s coming, because he’s out of the frying pan & into the fire and those objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are. all the press & pressure in LA just won’t quit. pretty soon he’ll be wishing he had appreciated the STL more & if had known 2011 was the last kiss here, he would have made it last all night.
so i’m not mad there aren’t more rec’s nor will i whore for more. it is what it is
Balls
OK, i admit it, i'm hurt there aren't more rec's
are you happy now? is that what you want to hear???
Balls
I'm not so much worried about not having any .300 hitters.
More concerning is the projection of only two players with an OBP over .350.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Has any GM been more quiet for the last 12 months than Walt Jocketty?
Seemed like his team was right on the cusp of being competitive for years to come and he’s basically been sitting on his hands. Is anyone even worried about them anymore at this point?
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 7:41 AM EST reply actions
Their biggest problem right now is starting pitching.
FA market is pretty thin right now. They’ve only got, like, an $80MM payroll. They’re going to have to let Votto and/or Phillips go to focus on pitching.
Sure wish we could capitalize on this.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
No way
Votto has no place here. I know everyone wants to think 1st is the big hole left by Al’s departure, but its not. His overall #’s are what we need to replace. (.299 37 99) Spread it around and those numbers can be replaced. A healthy Craig and Freese should take a decent chunk of that, if not all of it. We have Adams in AAA (in 2011), Berks at first now, and countless possibilities of shuffling around Freese/Craig/Holliday thru 1b if desperatley needed. Assuming we sign another OF. Many possibilities to work with at first IMO in the next few years. I personally dont want an ex Red star, or another high $ 1B.
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I say Freese/Craig/Holliday
Because there D sucks and is a liability at there current positions and each is a little taller than average, making good targets at 1B.
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see how missing Pujols from the lineup will affect the rest of the order
If the offense takes a dump this year, I say we go for Votto
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, I would do Miller for Votto in a freaking heartbeat
if that were actually a realistic possibility (but it’s not)
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
pitching prospects are notoriously unreliable
they flame out, they get injured, their careers may be shorter than position players, they don’t always produce at the ML level like they did in the minors. Joey Votto is a known quantity – that being, one of the best pure hitters in baseball. He absolutely rakes, has a very good LD%, walks a ton, never pops-up in the infield, posts an extremely high BABIP because of his solid hitting, hits for power and average, etc etc. I know this is all an exercise in unrealistic hypotheticals, but it seems crazy to say you wouldn’t trade Miller for Votto
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Give up something
we"ll need in a few years (Carp 2yr, Lohse 1yr, Westy 1yr, Wiano return fro TJ) for something we already have? Berks .301 31 94/ Votto .309 29 103….The arguement is will Berk produce like this again, but will Votto? Will berk be healthy? Will Votto be healthy? Lot of questions, no correct answer until next October…
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
also, Votta will be a FA and leave for Anaheim soon
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 17, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My super BOLD prediction is....
Matt Adams > Joey Votto
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
AA
Votto (Southern League) .319 22 77
Adams (Texas League) .300 32 101
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
games played...
Votto 136
Adams 115
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty impressive
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm
yeah, you can’t really make very high-resolution comparisons between statistical performances compiled in different leagues at different years. Way too much noise in the data / confounding factors.
Adams might have a bright future, and perhaps it is even brighter than Votto’s (I doubt this, personally), but you’d have to make the case using more than those stats compiled 5 years apart, in different leagues to boot.
Theses stats are a tad bit misleading.
To look a fuller picture, here are some stats that show how much better Votto is than Adams was even then:
Votto: .408 OBP, .547 SLUG, .434 wOBA, 13.2% BB rate, .368 BABIP
Adams: .357 OBP, .566 SLUG, .391 wOBA, 7.8% BB rate, .308 BABIP
The BABIP is certainly exciting, but yeah Votto was clearly a better prospect then. Although searching up stats, made me think this is realistic from Adams:
.275/.330/.480
Not that it’s anything special for a 1B, but I’d be ok with that while he’s dirt cheap.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
so basically Adam Laroche
1.5-2.5 fWAR player, assuming he can actually play 1B… guess it’s better than running Skip out there.
Although Matt Adams has put up better minor league power numbers than LaRoche, with much worse plate discipline, at roughly equivalent ages for his levels, so the skill sets aren’t that similar.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Yeah like I said nothing special.
A .345 wOBA with -5 defense, he’d be around 1.5-2.0 WAR with his power probably giving him some potential for more. There’s always the chance that he’s an average 1B defensively as well.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
Your right
caught me trying to use the basics to argue against getting Votto..I honestly hope Adams is as good as I WANT him to be, but I know it probably wont happen. Still don’t think we need JV tho and thank you for the more in depth #’s. I was hoping they were coming, just hoping they helped my argument more than hurt it. But seriously, thanks for the responses/info
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I seen “Future Cardinal” and “Born in Pennsylvania” and got way ahead of myself
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOO
2013=
Wainwright
Carpenter
Garcia
Lynn/Oswalt/Rzep/etc
Miller
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 17, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MATT CAIN
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
depends on the money.
dude’s probably a good bet to be worth 4-5 WAR for the next 4-5 years.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
uh, not really
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 17, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
is he really rated that high to begin with?
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
people saying no to this...
i don’t think you guys realize how good votto is. he is among the top 3-5 hitters in baseball. there’s no chance this would actually happen, but because the reds would laugh at us not the other way around
Wasnt top 3-5 last year
He was 9th in OPS, 10th in BA, 13th in hits, tied for 25th in HR, tied for 15th in RBI, 18th in SLG%…….His only top 3 hitting stats last year were 2nd in OBP% and 3rd in walks
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 17, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Reds laughing at us?
Not likely……Votto will be dealt soon and if hes not, this is his last couple years in Cincy, probably end up a BlueJay for Adam Lind and some spare parts. Then WE will laugh as we watch him try and hit outside the hitter friendly Great American Ballpark and NOT against NL Central division pitching.
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 26, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Their SP was never good.
Paying Arroyo and Chapman doesn’t help
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 17, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Chapman was a reasonable risk that could still pay off
If they ever figure out how to handle him properly. Arroyo, on the other hand, is a lesson that keeps getting repeated in this division: why lock up the back of your rotation? There’s no sense in it. You can always find an Arroyo type on the free agent market and you don’t generally have to commit too much to do it. It seems likely that the Reds have some problems evaluating pitchers, all in all. They should have jumped on Luhnow when they could.
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's sad to realize that that is what we did with Lohse and Westy
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I disagree that Lohse was signed just to throw some innings at the back of rotation
He had a very good 2008 and our rotation between in the 2008 offseason was like one giant question mark with lots of little question marks tied to it with string.
After 2008; Wainwright was yet to become ADAM FUCKING WAINWRIGHT (Yes his 2007 was good, but he wasn’t yet a perennial CY contender), Carpenter had pitched a total of 21 innings in 2 years and the rest of the rotation was Todd Wellemeyer, Braden Looper and Joel Piniero of the 5+ ERA variety.
the Lohse contract has to be one of the most defensible ‘bad’ contracts in the history of bad contracts.
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 17, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it's easy to forget how different things were
Wainwright was still just an exciting young pitcher, not unlike Garcia is right now. Nobody is expecting Garcia to be a Cy contender at the moment. Also, nobody knew how many innings Carpenter’s career had left.
I just wish people would remember that Lohse was injured while he was pitching poorly in
2009 and 2010.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I do recall, and a few were of the freakish nature
My complaint was the overpaying. His price for the one year deal was great!
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
The other thing to remember...
is that the Cardinals resigned Lohse before the market crashed, and that was the going rate for the kind of pitcher he was—a durable, mid-rotation starter. The previous season, Carlos Silva signed a 4-year, $44-$48 million contract. Had they waited a couple of months, the Cardinals probably could have resigned him to a lower deal, with a lot of teams dealing with a new market reality.
Plus during his bad years: 1st two he had an undiagnosed malady, last one was not bad esp considering a horrible bullpen and SS for most of the season
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, the Reds are pursuing trade options
on Gio Gonzalez, Jair Jurrjens, and Mat Latos rather than free agents, because of the salary restraints Jocketty is facing. My guess is that given some of the demand of those guys, the Reds will have a wait for things to shake out before making a move.
But apparently, Jock just wants someone to give him a starter, instead of having to trade assets like Alonso
Grandal, etc. for one.
That Arroyo contract was one of the dumber ones I can remember.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
If they'd trade one of Grandal/Mesoraco
They should get a decent SP in return.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I cannot guarantee its the birds
But I think it’s the birds
by Cheeseballs on Dec 17, 2011 8:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
For Comparsion
Cairo projections. I have it on the Cardinals players but you can change by going to row F
are these incomplete?
because i don’t see a certain Matt Holliday
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 17, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm frustrated by that as well, thought it was just me
And what the hell is up with the Freese projection?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
well he's projected to put up 1.1 WAR over 64 games
Which seems very much in line with his previous production, if a little conservative. Lets just hope he plays more games than that.
Bursting into song.
I really don't understand how to work this data. How do you see that?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Must have something to do with this
Your browser does not support all features of Google Docs. If you are having problems, try Google Chrome. Dismiss
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Lack of games is what drove my comment, must have to do with historical projections and his previous injuries
Had you already heard the Berk interview?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
LOL'd when they reminded Berk how he used to want to punch TLR when with Houston
Berk: Yeah,
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
it's linked 3 comments down "BTW I'm listening to" is subject
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
It's from the other day
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
It was something I did
It is fixed now
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks can see Holliday now
Would like to see a Beltran in the lineup with Berk, Holliday, Freese, and Craig. Be even sweeter if Yadi has another offensive year like last. Most of all I’m hoping that we do not have the DL plague of last year. That was the most and most significant injury riddled year of Cards BB I’ve seen
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
BTW I'm listening to
this Berk interview. Frustrating part is I can’t figure out how to pause it
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
you can just copy and paste special
and then use the text import wizard.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think Arthur Rhodes' comp with Mike Stanton is actually the most interesting
(Non-serious division anyway)
Other fun comps: Ryan Theriot’s second comp is David Eckstein. Zack Cox’s second comp is Robin Ventura. Carpenter’s second comp is Greg Maddux. Erik Komatsu’s third comp is actually Curt Ford, not Flood. Much less interesting (though Ford is a member of the RBI Baseball Cardinals squad and so holds a special place in my heart).
Did Ford have the Super Speed?
Or was he “normal”? I think I always put Oquendo in for him, just because.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I can't remember if Ford is fast in that game, but I feel like maybe he isn't
Obviously Coleman and Smith are pretty fast. McGee and Pendleton are decent. Clark and Pena are sloowww.
Don't know if you've seen this
But if you love RBI Baseball, it is amazing. Recreation of Mets vs Sox 1986 Game 6
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I have seen that
It’s pretty awesome. I wonder if they used a hacked version to get the rosters right…
Anyway, here’s an amazing website where you can build and download customized RBI hacks with different teams, colors, rosters, stats, everything. It’s pretty cool.
Unfortunately I don't think anybody has built a 2011 version yet.
(By the way, you have to download an emulator to play them but maybe everybody is cool with that by now)
Here's an RBI version of the 1988 Kirk Gibson homerun game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlRcSrSKk0
This is most definitely a modded version. I think the original RBI Baseball for the U.S. had a combination of 86 rosters for some teams and 87 for others. So, the 1986 one might be an unmodded version.
Ha
The scoreboard says Ca 4, Ho 3. I guess you can only change certain elements.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not sure why that is
In the YouTube info the creator says they used those teams as the base.
He sings the song in the interview
DOO, DOO, DOO DOO
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting stuff so far
I’m kind of surprised the interviewer didn’t know that the arcade version was different and had All-Time lineups.
Holliday, you just don't know how to play with the Cardinals!
Just get Coleman and Ozzie on base and they are automatic double (they both will steal second every time unless you are a moron). Clark is awesome, McGee and Pendleton are both solid hitters, Pena has surprising power. With Tudor and Cox you can pitch as well as anyone if you locate properly.
I can even steal third with Coleman if everything goes right
Also, the Cardinals’ speed leads to inside-the-park homers every once in a while.
Also also, it is possible to hit a real home run with Ozzie, I have done it.
IT'S CALLED WHITEYBALL
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's the only link I've sent my Dad
That he’s actually read. My Dad loved beating us in that game when we were little. Nolan Ryan, bringing the heat. We always played “only one SP” per game.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh, that's tough
They get pretty gassed in that game. Once those 6th inning fastballs are sitting at 65 mph and touching 68 you have to start being creative and actually playing defense.
I should note that I haven’t played RBI Baseball against a human being in years. I play on my computer all the time. Beating up on the computer is still fun.
I hope Cox can find better than Ventura
Note to Cox: do not charge at a cattle wrangler head first.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Oops I meant fight and not find
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Hmmm, so J.C. Romero can at least handle
the bat, eh? 84 OPS+. Unfortunately, i think it is supposed to be ERA+, which is not nearly as impressive for a reliever.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 17, 2011 9:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
ERA+ for RPs have always been wierd
they tend to be massively inflated (like 150-200+, e.g. Jason Motte 2010-2011) in good seasons. This has to be sample size issue right?
Bursting into song.
My 1st picture post. Thought this would be a good one to try out. And thanks to Sheckie, I have a hard copy!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
Should have a companion piece for the Pujols signing
DON’T BELIEVE IT!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
haha
and in that context, Yadi’s pose could certainly be interpreted as one of anguish, cursing the GOBs. In fact, I think I pretty much assumed that exact pose when I heard. “Fuck you, universe!!!”
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 17, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for of you
Wish I had thought of both of them!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of people don't know this
But Yadi is actually yelling “KHAAAAAAN!”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Heh
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
FREEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Did anyone see that Dave McKay is the new 1B coach for the Cubs?
So much for having a “role in the organization”
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
Yes, back rubs for cubs
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
No sir I don't like it!, Don't like it at all!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Meh.
I was glad to have him around, but he’s not essential.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
yeah it just troubles me to see someone that felt like one of the good guys
(longevity + all that rubbing) being in those hideous pinstripes.
Oh well, LaRussa’s henchmen going to hench.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 17, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
A "role in the organization"
is MLB code for sitting at home collecting a paycheck unless someone else gives him a job.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I know rui has a similar/same job in the soccer world
Wonder if this will float his boat though?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Am I wrong or do those numbers seem kind of bearish?
Given the depressed state of hitting, if Matt Adams were to hit (basically the only thing he can do) below league average, wouldn’t that be something of a disappointment? Why does Dan Descalso get the benefit of the doubt here when MCarp has a much better track record? I think MCarp could be at least a league average hitter right now, if not better.
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 10:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Does OPS+ include positional adjustment?
If so, having Adams hit just a shade below league average for 1Bs while still a rookie isn’t a disappointment at all.
Incidentally, we need a nickname for that guy. Any objections to “Griz”?
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, no positional adjustment
And I’m sure Adams would like any nickname that doesn’t rhyme his name with fat.
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting.
Without positional adjustment, that does indeed look like a curiously pessimistic OPS+.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking there's a lot of people here who don't get the "Griz" ref
Although it works with the last name and his build, he would need to work on the beard a lot to get to this level of beardness
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
what does bearish even mean?
we’ve already got bullish and sheepish and neither of those make any particular sense
bull = happy market
bear = sad market
So “bearish” means pessimistic. see also.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
As an after thought , I'm wondering if StanTheManFan saw the term "bearish" in purple_haze's comment causing him to be reminded him of a double entendre :)
Leading to the nickname suggestion “Griz”
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Kurkjian said on ESPN radio this morning
That if a team bids on Yu Davrvish but fails to sign him they still have to pay the posting fees.
As a wise man once said:
You got to pay to play just for shawty bang-bang to look your way
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Is this new or something?
Because this definitely isn’t the way it has worked in the past.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think he might just be wrong.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 17, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I had always understood the posting fee to apply
Regardless of whether a player signed. That was why the Sawx bid on Matsuzaka was so stunning. Because it might be money down the toilet if they didn’t agree.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Which is why I really don't want us to actually go for Darvish
It’s fun to talk about signing the big-name Japanese players but it’s just so much risk.
Ichiro is the only success that has come from the posting system.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
How did Hiroki Kuroda and Hideki Matsui make it here?
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Free agency I guess.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
prior to this year only 10 players have come over via the posting system.
Ichiro and Daisuke are the only ones really worth mentioning.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I think Tim Kurkjian might just be talking out of his ass in this instance
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"in this instance"?
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
How old were the previous Cardinals 1B when they retired?
Tino Martinez – 37
Mark McGwire – 37
John Mabry – 36
Gregg Jefferies – 32
Andres Galarraga – 43
Pedro Guerrero – 36
Jack Clark – 36
Keith Hernandez – 36
Joe Torre – 36
Matty Alou – 35
Dick Allen – 35
Orlando Cepeda – 36
Bill White – 35
Stan Musial – 42
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions
You forgot the immortal Jim Lindeman
and also Bob Horner. Curiously, Lindeman lasted longer in the majors (32) than Horner (30).
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Huh. I'd have never guessed that one.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
heh...
Bob Horner & Jim Lindeman might be the first 2 players I ever disliked. Also in the running….Tom Lawless
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
what was your method of watching?
DVD, DVR, Internet…?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 17, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I wish someone would dub Mike Shannon's audio onto the video
His call of Freeze’s HR is right up there with go crazy folks.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
by totalloser on Dec 17, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes....yes it was
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure on the world series film
they have it synced up. They have all the different versions, shannon, the british guy, buck, espn
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm working on getting the video up
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Got the video
it’s ripped from the blu-ray so you can hear audio pops of the AM call. I thought it was the way i ripped it, but the audio is superb everywhere else
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think Holliday and Jay will both hit .300
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd be surprised if Holliday doesn't
unless he suddenly becomes a 35 hr guy.
Also don’t forget Skip might do something like .301/.319/.355.
Especially when Matheny charms opposing managers into shifting their 2 baggers drastically toward the 2nd base bag.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 17, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Hell, I even think Yadi will get close
I’d peg him for at least .280+
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Prince Fielder no longer on Cubs' radar...
…According to MLB Network report today. It is not clear who, at this point, is “in” on him. I remain suspicious that we are one of the mystery teams, as each time was called other than the Cubs.
by RedAllOver on Dec 17, 2011 11:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'll take him.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Berk says he should play in the OF
Berk paid his STL OF dues
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I'd definitely buy at least one more ticket than I would have if I get to see Prince
in CF
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 17, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
If this is the plan then I'm in
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
haha, and all of Chicago already starts to turn on Theo, probably
“We’re too storied (lol) a franchise to go through a rebuilding phase, rabble, rabble.”
And, from knowing a number of Cubs fans, I’m not joking when I say you here this from them all the time. Yeah, better to just go through another hundred years of “going for it” every year and coming up spectacularly short every year.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Theo's the hamburgler?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I hate it when my radar is break
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
I don't really buy this.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just can't get behind signing Prince
With a body type like his, he’s a time bomb for a serious injury
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
For What It's Worth
It looks like his Pops started to break down at age 33, so Prince has still got a some good years ahead. Although Prince is listed at 45 lbs heavier (wow).
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
And 4" shorter.
Not a good combo.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Rough calculation
If Tyler Greene gets 120 games worth of defense at 2nd, SS, and 3rd (most at 2nd, maybe 25 games at SS) and meets his projections over 500 PA while playing +8 defense, he’ll be league average
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That doesn't do a whole lot for me.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Nope
Byt my hopes are those projections are the floor
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It tells you what our middle infield has been like
That a league average 2B sounds like an oasis in the Sahara.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Dec 17, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
One of those debate things at ESPN
Who ends up with more wins, the Cards or the Angels?
link
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions
too early to say.
Lets see how the Cards spend the rest of this moolah.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
heh...Cardinals are dominating the vote.
Angel fans are too busy looking up Chris Paul’s stats.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Apprehensively clicked on the Discuss link, saw the first comment about the Cards losing La Russa
And immediately closed the tab.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha...
I hate crap like this anyway
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
After VEB/SBN format and especially being used to the quality of VEB commenting I can't stomach most others
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Who is the Angels 5th starter?
Does it even matter after Weaver, Haren, Wilson, and Santana?
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Is Pineiro still there?
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
nope - Free agent
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sign Joel Pineiro!
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Cairo has a both at 90 wins
So the tie goes to World Series champs
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
i'll just put this here
Joe Strauss @JoeStrauss
Not inconceivable Cards slow-play Beltran to see what happens w/Prince market. “Lot of balls in the air”…. #Hmmmm
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Wong and Cox are on a trampoline together?
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Now that's funny
how long have you been waiting to use that or was it a sudden epiphany?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Wong and Cox are skydiving together?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A blonde and her husband were watching the evening news
when it’s announced that 5 Brazilians died that day in a freak skydiving accident. Immediately, the blonde starts sobbing uncontrollably. Surprised at this show of emotion, her husband says “honey, I know that’s sad news but I’m sure those people knew of the danger of what they were doing.” The blonde replies “I know, but 5 brazillion are so many!”
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Arte mentioned a Brazilian in that 30 minute phone call ...
That would explain a hell of a lot
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
10% Real Fruit Juice M***er F***ers!
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 17, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know why I censored Mother.
Instant regret. Don’t why I censored any of it, really.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome
Never saw that movie, thanks for that.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
...
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I like how news has now been reduced to reporting what is "not inconceivable"
nice filter, Joe!
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
but but but
its is in fact not inconceivable
i also wondered of prince’s situation was slow
he would go for a 3/75?
TLR is gone, long live the king
ATTN newspapers worldwide
Please offer Straiss a job he cannot refuse.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
because the Cards FO plays it cool
and doesnt go “I WANT THAT ONE!!! ILL PAY WHATEVER YOU WNAT, HOW MUCH IS THIS MANY?!?!?”
by jealousblues on Dec 18, 2011 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
this is stupid if its true
but its likely strauss just trolling. prince doesn’t seem realistic at all, just sign beltran and be done with it
What a shitty day for sports.
what am I supposed to watch on my study breaks?
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Tomorrow, at least, Mizzou's on ESPN3
which, of course, I don’t have.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
tomorrow also FOOTBALL
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-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
You don't have the internet?
Because I’m pretty sure you can watch ESPN3 online for free. Just google search ESPN3 and it should be like the first thing that comes up.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 17, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
only certain internet providers support ESPN3
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hey now
never knew that
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Although, as it turns out
I can’t get it, because my internet provider, CenturyLink, is not on their list of service providers.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
And the Blues are on FXMW at 7 cst.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
REDS TRADE FOR SAN DIEGO SP MATT LATOS
Alonso amongst those heading to the Padres in deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So then where does Anthony Rizzo play?
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Alonso
Has been playing outfield the last year or two.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
probably tampa bay (st. petersburg)
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just had to open my big mouth about the Reds being quiet.
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Good news for Reds.
Latos has basically been the same pitcher at Petco as he has been away from it. Can’t believe the Padres would trade him unless they are getting Devin Mesoraco
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Latos is only going to be 24 years old
and has one year to go until arbitration, right?
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
jonmorosiJon Morosi
Jocketty on Mat Latos: "We consider him to be a potential number one starter, who, contractually, we have under control for 4 more years."
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
From rosenthal
“Source: #Reds sending Alonso, Grandal, Boxberger and Volzquez to #Padres for Latos. #MLB”
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Win goes to the Reds.
Alonso and Grandal didn’t have much of a future with them anyway, being blocked by Votto and Mesoraco.
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I still agree that it's too much
Trading a surplus of RP or backend starters is one thing, but I’m assuming Alonso and Grandal are supposed to be everyday bats. Alonso could play LF.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
You're not going to get Latos for a surplus of RP or backend starters.
Grandal isn’t an everyday bat when Mesoraco is in front of him. And Alonso can “play” LF only if you put quotes around the word.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
That isn't what I was saying
Not saying hat the Padres would accept RPs or 4-5 SP for a #2-ish starter, but more saying that it seems desperate to feel the need to flip position players just because you have a few in the pipeline at certain positions.
But the consensus of comments seems to be that these guys aren’t future All Stars and can’t be moved to other positions, so maybe I am wrong.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I think it's an issue of degree and need. The Reds traded from surplus to get something they really needed.
Grandal may be an all-star catcher, but Mesoraco is a little better and there is simply nothing to do with Grandal except trade him. Alonso is getting older, he sucks in LF, and he’s not playing over Votto, so they had to trade him. these guys aren’t in the pipeline, they’re guys whose value must be capitalized on now, before they get older, get injured, lose their luster, etc.
Latos is also probably a #1 pitcher, or very high end #2, who is 23-24 years old.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think these three players
Could’ve netted Gio Gonzalez? And not speaking from the Reds POV, just in general, would you rather have Gonzalez or Latos?
Again seems like Alonso may be more useful to an AL team, the more I read.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Actually 4 players, I believe?
Sorry.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Latos seems clearly better than Gio
Gio just loses the strike zone from time to time.
Not afraid to nitpick
There's the injury/durability question with Latos...
he missed the beginning of 2011 with shoulder bursitis. A past shoulder issue has to be a demerit, even though he came back strong.
Sign Roy O
I would rather have Latos, by a fair margin.
Only concern is the shoulder, but I don’t have much insight as to whether that’s really a concern going forward. Plus, For all I know Gio is one pitch away from an injury.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but godsake
Don’t negotiate from that position, or you’ll blow all that excess value in one go (and for Mat Latos? Really? That’s your guy?). I really like both of those prospects and I think each could be the centerpiece in a trade for a good starting pitcher. Oh well, now our system definitely looks like the class of the central division.
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes but how good are his kicking skills?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
That's Edison volquez right?
Or do they have a prospect names volquez?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is it crazy to anyone else that they traded him as well
?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
volquez is least surprising, of all the players.
The club and the fans had turned on volquez, after injuries, PEDs, and ineffectiveness. Also, there’s some money saved by sending volquez to SD, which I’m sure walt wants to free up.
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2008 1st round pick
2009 1st round pick
2010 1st round pick
The guy they got for Hamilton
for an 11th round pick.
Sign Roy O
11th round pick
Technically, Latos was a draft-and-follow who fell for reasons besides skill. He ended up signing for first round money.
right...
I’m not saying he’s not great b/c of his draft status… Just pretty amazing how the Padres turned not much into a lot of talent.
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I see
I thought it was a dig at CIN.
Yeah, impressive to see what SD leveraged out of that pick. Made even more unlikely by the two halves coming in different management eras.
Latos and Walden were two guys I saw as neck and neck back at the time of that 2006 draft. Interesting to see how Latos has become the superior player (to this point), even though both have found success.
Classic Jocketty: savage a farm system for a big win-now guy.
Not unlike the Cardinals giving up something like Wong, Adams, Lynn and Sanchez for Latos. Would you pull the trigger on that?
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by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
No way.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 17, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wong's the only guy I wouldn't give up.
Adams may be great, but I got more faith in Craig taking over first long-term. Lynn’s a mid-to-back rotation guy, and Sanchez is one of many righthanded relievers in the system and in St. Louis.
Miller, Traveras, Martinez, and Wong are the four untouchables in the system, from my perspective.
I would add Ryan Jackson to that list
Unless we are getting a SS back
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I really like Jackson
But the bat is really unproven at this point. He was in a hitter’s league in a hitter’s park, and it was his best season offensively for, I believe, his career. He’s a nice prospect, especially with his defense, but I wouldn’t call him untouchable.
Relative to league, 2010 was actually a better year.
He just saw a little uptick in his power that is typical for Springfield.
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Can someone clear something up for me?
People seem to be rather high on Wong (just sounds dirty), and I vaguely remember this board thought the cards drafted him a little early and were not enamored with his upside. I could be way off base, and maybe time changes things, but I was just curious. Tell me VEB, should I be excited about him?
by Action Jaxon on Dec 17, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I had no problem with the pick.
He performed well in A ball, and he sounds like the type of guy who will be fast tracked. Skip Schumaker was our second baseman last year, so yes, you should be excited about him.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
Since everyone here is far smarter than me, I look for y’all to form opinions for me.
by Action Jaxon on Dec 17, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
some of the angst came from widely varying
Scouting opinions. Because wong came from hawaii, he was hard to contrast to other prospects. So depending on who you listened to, he was dustin pedroia or daniel descalso.
But the cards system has unique perpsective on hawaii, having put some scouting in there before (nabbing wong’s teammate greg garcia in an earlier draft) and relies heavily on cape cod league results, where wong excelled. The draft was right in the cards’ wheelhouse, so to speak.
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think for a lot of people, low upside middle infielder screamed "Pete Kozma"
But once it was made clear that Wong had more tools than Kozma, and that one of them was his bat everyone relaxed. Then he actually started playing, and played really well, which helped too.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 17, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think what sold me on Wong was his age
He was sold as quick to the majors and a baseball rat and all that, which usually means we get someone 22-23 like Cox. But you can’t take his great performance in A ball for granted just because of his rep, because he was actually the second youngest player on the team behind Oscar Taveras. Now, generally speaking, strong performance at a young age is an indicator of upside. So maybe we have something a little better than Kozma here?
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, he's already lightyears better than Kozma, who never really showed all that much with the bat.
But I just want to point out that Cox was a draft eligible sophomore so he was actually 21 when drafted.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 18, 2011 3:52 AM EST up reply actions
Latos is under team control for 4 years.
I think it’s a bad trade but Latos lets you win now and later.
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yes
Wong is only supposed to be a league average 2b right?
or am I completely wrong?
More like a great defense Skip? At least that was my impression.
now someone tell me how much more awesome he is please
by jealousblues on Dec 18, 2011 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, you're wrong.
Wong’s upside is pedroia or baerga. His realistic floor is league average 2b, IMO. His upside with the bat is much better than Skip.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 18, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
so if im not right ...
I must be ?
(someones got to say it)
by jealousblues on Dec 18, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
So Asdrubal Cabrera has won the Gibby for best defensive player with a wopping -11.8 UZR
Lowest among all SS’s
I'm mostly out of pocket today
but one quick comment about the catchers. Over the last year or so, my opinion of the importance of catcher defense has changed (I think it is considerably more important than I did previously) so those that think Anderson is a terrible catcher (not me) and Cruz is a great one (also not me) will want to stick with Cruz. The OPS+ differential understates the offensive advantage that you can get from Anderson though.
He’s a lefty with heavy splits in the minors while Cruz (like Molina) is right handed. It’s pretty easy to see how you could work Anderson into situations that give Molina time off and allow Anderson to function in the best possible environment for him to hit. He’s unlikely to be more than a .275/.325/.380 kind of guy even with the platoon advantage but I don’t think that should be disregarded.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
One other thing
wOBA based on the ZiPS has David Freese and Matt Carpenter as basically the same offensive player next year.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Freese seems like a player the organization would have a very tough time attempting to trade
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Riots if this happens after the Pujols defection
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not literally, best fans and all mind you.
But Mo would come up seriously be short in the pies dept!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
There is no chance of this happening.
Anyone even thinking about it should just put it out of their brains for at least 11 months.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whos the better defender?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Freese
though I wouldn’t have said that based on when I saw him in the minors.
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i can't imagine it's much of a difference, though
they’re both super average-ish
freese is balls at that slow roller in front of him, not so much the ones hit right at him
i just don't buy that. freese appears to have much more power than mccarp
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There's a good argument that Freese should be displaying more power based on his minor league numbers
but it just hasn’t shown up yet. That said, I’d bet money that MCarp surpasses that OBP projection easily. It’s 6 of one or half a dozen of the other with those two.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
that's true. i agree that freese's power hasn't shown up, but he also hasn't had a full healthy season yet.
i would like to see what he does in 2012 before i make the decision between him and mcarp
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Whose on 1st?
What’s on second
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
including playoffs,
Freese hit 24 doubles, 2 triples, and 15 homers in 396 AB’s. That’s not too shabby.
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. We should include his playoff PAs along with his regular season numbers when evaluating him.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
you're not being sarcastic, are you?
because i agree with this statement, considering that freese was probably the healthiest he’d been all season during the playoffs
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No, I was not being sarcastic.
ML PAs are ML PAs. If we’re trying to project his performance next year, I don’t know why we would exclude them.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
okay. you never can be sure on the internet.
i completely agree with your sentiments.
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hell yes include them, they are the most pressure packed at bats a player can take
if anything they should count for more because of how awesome he was. plus just look at him, i mean damn
OMG GDM YOUR SO DRUNK!! SSS DICKWEED!!!
actually i’m stone cold sober stat guys. i know it’s SSS, but holy crap was it a hell of a SSS. to not count them is foolish & short sighted.
Balls
I remember seeing someone analyze Freese's swing in the playoffs vs the beginning of the year
saying he wasn’t able to plant his front foot as hard before due to the ankle injury, which might explain the lack of power
Just watched the Yoenis Cespedes video
great talent, we should make a run at the guy
but wow that video was an abomination
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by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions
Phillies are signing Jimmy Rollins.
3 years with a vesting option for a 4th
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
oops...not supposed to be a reply
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Unless
They are signing him to be their Stats Stringer.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
MLBTR reports around 33 million for the first three years, and that the fourth
is an “easy” vest. Not a huge overpay (for the Phillies, at least), but still, the Phillies’ quest to become the oldest, most broken-down-est, overpaid team continues.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
They have to live up to their Yankees of the NL moniker
But did they have any better options considering the market? I am not familiar with their system. Did they have any internal choices?
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it wasn't about the money
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
dammit wtf were the padres thinking?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions
no clue.
The Reds may have given up a lot, but I think it was worth it to get Latos.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
looking up latos' fangraphs page was depressing.
they’ve now got a legit 1-2.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
still not better than healthy waino + carp
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well, no.
but better than cueto + (whomever)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
agreed. i guess i'm just not that worried really
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it's a pretty big 2012 trade for the reds.
but i still think the cardinals and brewers are superior teams.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
The consensus among the baseball people on Twitter is that it was a bad trade for the Reds
I have no opinion, because I don’t know about the players, but I do know that Latos has had sone shoulder issues.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
All 3 players were top 10 prospects for CIN
Grandal and Alonso are both top 100 (assuming Alonso still qualifies as a prospect)
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont know man
CIN gave up a TON. Where is SD gonna play Alonso though, they already have Rizzo.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
can anybody spitball a comparable package of Cards' prospects?
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Hard to say, Grandal and Alonso are both
Legit top prospects, we don’t really have comparable position players of that value. Maybe Cox, Tavares and Jenkins???
I have no idea, thats prob not fair either…Alonso is major league ready now and Grandal played in AAA last year, so they were further along also.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 2:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wong, Adams, Lynn, Sanchez?
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Off the cuff
I’d say the Reds package was better.
But I can see the parallels here.
It probably was better
but the thing is, I don’t think I’d pull the trigger on that one if I was Mo.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you
But would you do it if you had Pujols?
Because basically what the Reds had was the equivalent of Pujols at 1B (blocking Alonso) and a twin propect for Wong (say, if Zach Cox could only play 2B). I think the calculus looks a lot different in that case.
What surprises me a lot is that Volquez was a part of this. Reds must really not be very bullish on future improvement from him.
Good question.
I still don’t think so. The loss of pitching is the thing. They must be VERY pessimistic about Volquez. I’m not so pessimistic about Lynn.
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by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
no, because those guys
are valuable enough that you ought to be able to get more than a single 4-win pitcher (who started last season on the DL with a shoulder injury!) for that much talent, even if it takes a couple of trades to do it.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Perhaps
but I suppose Jocketty’s thinking is that we haven’t seen the best of Latos yet.
And I’m not sure what other ace-potential pitchers out there would be flipped for that package. Instead, you might have to break the package up, netting you lesser, albeit multiple, players.
I see the logic for both teams, for sure.
yeah
or maybe we’ve overrated Alonso, a la Wallace, and that’s the best deal he could get for him (his minor league numbers are surprising)…
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
the reds gave up a lot
damn though i just wish they would have given up that package to get jair jurrjens or something. latos is legit,and has 4 years of control left.
by the way, latos is a complete hot head. he will be easy to hate.
It was prob a good trade for CIN though...
They have Mesoraco, so trading Grandal doesn’t hurt too much and they really just didn’t have anywhere to put Alonso. I thought Boxberger was a pretty decent prospect but I think they moved him to the bullpen, right?
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
they may be worried about latos's health long term.
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OH MY GOD LATOS IS THE BEST PITCHER OF ALL TIME
In Latos, the Reds get a partner for Johnny Cueto at the top of their rotation, something they’ve desperately needed. Latos, who just turned 24, isn’t arbitration-eligible until 2013 and is 272-9 with a 3.37 ERA in three seasons with the Padres. Latos was 9-14 with a 3.47 ERA in 31 starts for the Padres last season, striking out 185 batters in 194 1/3 innings.
http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/33901737
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
haha.
Winning % is overrated.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
ERA- of 100. FIP- of 90.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
...in 2011.
Career ERA- of 94 and FIP- of 91.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Interesting
Those numbers aren’t as good as I thought they would be. For comparison, Garcia had an FIP- of 86 in 2011. Carpenter’s was 82 and Lohse’s was 98.
I think its a fair trade for both teams.
CIN gave up a ton but dealt from positions where they have depth. Alonso didn’t habe nearly as much value playing in the OF and CIN already has Stubbs, Heisey and Bruce with Sappelt as a 4th OFer.
At catcher they have another solid prospect in Mesoraco, and they already have a pretty decent young BP so trading Boxberger isn’t hurting too much either. Volquez could decide who wins the trade. he wore out his welcome in CIN but he still would have been a better option for CINs rotation than Arroyo, Wood or even Bailey if he had a bounceback year. I could def see him turning it around pitching in SD.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This all makes sense
I didn’t know much about the Reds’ system, so I knew Alonso was a trade-from-depth guy but didn’t realize Grandal was too. Seems like a good move. Volquez looks like he walked way too many last year and also gave up a lot of homeruns. I guess Petco will probably help with the homers. I dunno about walks, maybe he’ll just have to work on control and hope for the best.
FWIW
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
Competing gm: grandal “top 50” prospect, boxberger “potential closer,” alonso “good bat.” In summary, an overpay by reds
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Yea and on the surface it is,
But CIN was really one ace pitcher away from competing. The division is winnable next year and they dealt guys that probably wouldnt have made a huge impact next season.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ye, surprised they have not done more
pujols and fielder gone, makes the playoffs a bit easier
TLR is gone, long live the king
Would you rather have Grienke or Latos?
Greinke was coming off a down season last year, and had 2 years less of team control and KC was able to pull a much better package, in my opinion at least.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'd rather have 4 years of latos than 2 of greinke
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Two Greinkes would be awesome!
Anyway, the different amount of years does change the equation quite a bit. I’d have to think about that. I might still lean towards Greinke given that SP is a strength of our farm system.
This is true
But Greinke is better, all other things being equal.
And it got eaten by my iPhone. Fucking mobile commenting. Broad strokes: Alonso is a better major league ready piece than Escobar coming off a .400+ wOBA in a cup of coffee compared to Escobar’s disappointing rookie campaign. Grandal is a personal favorite of mine, good bat with some pop, solid defense to stick at catcher for the long-term. He’s a better prospect than Odorizzi is now IMO and certainly better than he was a year ago before he found success in A+ ball and held his own in AA. Jeffress and Boxberger both have closer potential. I won’t pretend to predict how the relievers will turn out so we’ll call it a draw. So basically, if you like the Greinke package better, it hinges on Lorenzo Cain. He had a pretty damn good cup of coffee with the Brewers but largely BABIP driven. Of course, he is pretty damn fast, but he’d never hit .300 in the minors. He showed power in AAA this season but had never showed much power prior to the trade. Overall, I’d rather have the Latos return.
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought Latos would have better relative numbers.
It surprised me a bit that his FIP- was that high.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
FIP- is park-adjusted, right? latos is a good pitcher
But GABP will be a rude awakening.
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 4:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I guess I missed the FIP- addition
but here’s a link to the glossary:
http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/pitching/era-fip-xfip/
(answer appears to be, “yes”).
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
How the hell did he play in 281 plus games already in only 3 seasons/24 yrs old? Damn you are correct, best of all time!
Heh
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
it's not as bad as some other trades(latos)
but i guess a good gamble?
this comes to mind- on July 31, the Mariners traded Johnson to the Houston Astros for three minor leaguers, Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, and John Halama… houston got something short term, but long term gave up a ton…
maybe this isnt a good comparison just made me think of it
because TLR
this is kinda neat
not sure how accurate he is but cool to look back on… http://jasonsbaseballblog.wordpress.com/transaction-reviews/trade-retros/
because TLR
what would it take to get Alonso?
@JonHeymanCBS
Some expect padres to flip alonso. They have good 1b prospect (rizzo). And says 1 nl exec: “no way alonso can play LF in petco.”
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Isn't there value in duplication of prospects...
in order to ensure at least one hits? Or am I thinking like Matt Millen?
Sign Roy O
I would not want to double up on prospects that are confined to 1B with no hope in the outfield.
If we’re talking about pitchers or toolsy CFs, that’s one thing but Alonso is as bad a fielder as Adams.
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Especially at the higher levels, where there's relatively more certainty that both would make it.
Two duplicate Position: Hitter type players isn’t a problem at A and 3-4 years away.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 17, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
You don’t think Alonso outhits Adams?
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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think I've seen Alonso in anything other than video but
his minor league numbers are very good but Matt Adams are as well. Alonso walks more but doesn’t have the raw power of Adams. I’d take Alonso over Adams but I think they’re both butchers in the field. There’s no reason I’d give up a prospect for Yonder Alonso with Matt Adams in the fold already.
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Have you seen Adams in the field a lot?
I have only seen video clips but I thought he looked like he had soft hands, a decent arm, and some athletic ability over there. I think he clearly needs to drop thirty lbs. Anyway, I haven’t seen him very much at all, but what I saw didn’t make me think “butcher.” (butcher makes me think of Brett Wallace trying to field grounders at 3B)
I agree with you on Alonso vs. Adams. Alonso is almost 25. He has better OBP skills, but less power than Adams. I would not want the Cards to trade prospects to acquire Alonso.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
His footwork at first is awful. I thought he was going to fall down trying to catch a foul ball last year.
He receives fine at first base but has pretty limited range (though not what I would term fall-down range). Adams runs well (on the bases and whatnot) but has an average first step from what I’ve seen. He’ll make the plays that need to happen at first but I can’t imagine him being anything more than average at the position. I was thinking butcher in fear of the possible outfield conversion and when I’ve seen Alonso in the outfield it was awful.
I’d would have guessed he weighed in around 260-275 last year. MiLB lists him at a farcical 230lbs.
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I saw him in 2010 at QC and 2011 at SPR
Here’s from the 2011 weekend:
Let me start with the problems. Matt Adam’s footwork around first base is atrocious. Transitioning from the base when he’s holding the runner to a fielding position when the pitcher delivers to the plate is a challenge for Adams and he gets about 3 feet away from the base during that process. It leaves a huge gap on the right side of the infield. He had to field a pop-up in the 6th inning of Sunday’s game and, while there was some wind, it was a bit of an adventure despite being well within range of first base. He needs to do about a dozen side-step drills as lateral movement without turning seems to be unnatural. He’s just not going to get to much at first base as a defender though he looked fine receiving throws.
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did adams used to be a catcher?
i read one of the articles either linked on twitter or FR about adams and there was a quote about how the hands he had as a catcher had helped him as a 1B. does this sound familiar?
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Adams was a part-time catcher in college
He also played 1st in college. The Cardinals moved him to first base full time because, honestly, that’s the only position he’ll be able to play in the majors. Azru saw him play earlier this season, and he echoed some others’ concerns about his defense at first, especially with his footwork.
would it be worth is to have 2 matt adams and hope one works out?
i don’t know what it would take to land alonso or rizzo
I still can't believe MIL traded Brett Lawrie
For Sean Marcum. Then had no one to play 3rd and signed A.Ramirez. Makes me happy. Lawrie was worth 2.7 fWAR in just 43 games!!!
Funny thing is, they probably would have made the playoffs without Marcum anyway, especially if Lawrie was at third instead of Hairston. Then they would of had the money to sign ARam at first or a SP like Jackson or Kuroda. They could have easily offset the loss of Fielder had they kept Lawrie and not made that trade. Thats gotta hurt.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think the only regret Milwaukee has is not taping Nyjer Morgan's mouth shut.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
And not keeping Braun out of Hans & Franz's Steroid Shoppe
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by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Lawrie is probably my favorite non-Cards player. So glad the Brewers traded him.
He’s going to be a monster next year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea how this happened, the internet must be broke
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
get out of here
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by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Also, that he's not afraid to show some premature grey in his beard
Makes me feel better
too late
I just said good luck next year and see you at Winter Warm ups
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
you should have told him
“keep on berkin”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
no - should've said
“keep up the good berk”
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by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I'm going to be saying this all the time even though it will almost never be relevant
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 17, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of "work" do you do Flim?
11 in '11, Check.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Will you please change your sig so that it opens in a new page?
I fell for it again dammit
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't think it was, just usually right click and open in new window, but since you are a regular and it's a sig I seem to forget and click it
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I pretty much have totally forgetten about it
I updated it though
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
alrighty then
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Curious though why you use it
Does it do a pretty good job?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
The only time I used it was recently and it was a test as I've heard of the proxy's but never used one
And yes it worked, unfortunately the website I chose to use it on is one that threatens to ban you if you use a proxy (site keeps track of users ratios). It’s for British torrents and I was like how could I have made a worse choice! I get my British TV from that site and don’t want to lose access so I immediately closed the window once it opened, but it did take me to the site.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
It didn't work on the Freese HR compilation (posted elsewhere in this page) with different announcers though
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
What's a puma doing, renting a a car?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't actually rent one
The guy he was with was.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
What car did he rent?
I’m guessing he didn’t go for the Kia.
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by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I have had Wainwright and now Berkman come into my work
Fredbird though was the only one I lost my shit with
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Think I have posted this before but whatever
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
I love this picture
I feel like we should post this in GTs when the Cardinals have a huge lead.
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by nota bene on Dec 17, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That Fredbird is a real Card
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you did there
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 17, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes I did ... Sweeet eh?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
nice!
just doin business
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
you rent 4-wheelers?
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 4:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Link to the various calls of Freese's WS homerun
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions
need international proxy.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Did the list of int'l proxy's work for you?
If so which one?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
anyone have a proxy that works for this video?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to upload it to my google docs
youtube has blocked it everywhere except japan, because it matches content with LinTV
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I'm going to mirror the video and upload it to youtube
Once it’s up, use something like youtube downloader to download the file and then another program to flip the video
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 17, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
so, where does that leave the cincinnati farm system?
Is it depleted or just diminished?
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 4:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Somewhere in between.
They didnt have the strongest system anyway and just traded 3 of their top 10 guys. However, its not depleted. They still have Mesoraco, who is a legit catching prospect and Hamilton is a nice prospect at 2nd, which makes,me hope they don’t resign Phillips so we can sign him next year.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hamilton at 2b would be a waste of some jawdropping speed.
He’s maybe the fastest dude in all of baseball. Also, I don’t think he hits enough to be anything but a shortstop.
by purple_haze on Dec 17, 2011 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
With those deals
Prince. I would love him on a 4 year deal.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 4:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Prince
Money isn’t that big of a concern for this team right now, at least on short term contracts. We just saved (in a manner of speaking) 210 million. I would take Fielder on that contract in a heartbeat.
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by mattyp on Dec 17, 2011 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OMG PRINCE
We give him 100M to mash for us during his prime, and then we can be done with him? Yes, please
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well yeah Prince
But is this even a relevant question ? With Boras as his agent, will he settle for anything less than 200M ?
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 17, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Fielder = Boras client
4/95 sounds a touch unrealistic.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
WAY more worried about the years.
8 years is too much no matter how much we’re paying him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
apologies if nexdef'd but
what the fuck got into Walt Jocketty?
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
looks like Walt being Walt, to me
We knew he’s eventually trade the farm for a starting pitcher with a history of shoulder problems; was just a matter of when. Kind of surprised it took him this long, actually.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
I can't seem to shake this feeling that JC Romero is the new Brian Tallet
and Skip Schumaker is the same Skip Schumaker. I guess this means a world series championship next year?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions
all4tookie posted this link in my projections fanpost
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/forecasters_challenge_final_2011_results/
pretty interesting, although I have no idea what all those other projections systems are. the consensus between all the systems seems to be the most accurate?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions
rollins signed for 3/33?!
wow. had i known that i would have clamored for mo to sign him instead.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
are they about equal in defense?
or is Furcal better/worse?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
i'd expect them to both be right around average.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
what I was thinking also
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
With an option that is odds-on to vest
Jimmy Rollins for 4 years? No thanks.
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by mattyp on Dec 17, 2011 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
According to Rosenthal
It’s an easy-to-reach vesting option, too.
I kinda like Furcal since imo he has more power than Rollins
but I don’t like him leading off that much. who should lead off next year? or is it too early to say.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
that's an interesting question. I checked the projections
Above, and the best OBP of the leadoff candidates per zips is actually dan descalso (.342). Furcal and Jay both have mid-.330s numbers for projected obp.
Leaving out the possibility of getting beltran, ross, or crisp, I would think a descalso/craig/holliday/berkman/freese/furcal/molina/jay/pitcher lineup sounds pretty good.
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if Descalso can put up a .340ish OBP to go w/ his career avg SLG to date (.350)
as an everyday leadoff man & 2B, I think we’d be pretty happy about that.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
whoops! I can't read in a straight line.
.342 is matt carpenter. Descalso has a .328. Obp
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he's .342 career vs RHP, though ;)
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
I could deal with that
SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
craziness
I think I still prefer Furcal, but one of the knocks on Rollins was he wanted more like 5 years
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
if furcal had played hardball, maybe.
Hard to beat furcal at 2y/$14m.
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
problem is he wouldn't have signed with us for that unless the phillies had signed another SS first
he basically had no leverage since philly was the only place he was going to go once we signed furcal. had we offered him that same deal before we signed furcal and the philies still were in play i don’t think he would have taken it.
No thank you.
I’ll take 2/14 over 4/44 (assuming easy vesting option kicks in) for comparable players any time.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
fuck that
i have an irrational dislike of Jimmy Rollins and will repeat it at all times
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 18, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Fact:
Latos FB% has been over 40% all three years of his career. Great American Ball Park will make him long for PETCO
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 4:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
interesting point
xFIP the last two season have averaged about 3.30, though. i’d peg him for about a 3.50-3.60 ERA next season
You could be right
But I saw that FB% and was like “whoa”
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i was about to mention this.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Did you see it at RR?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
someone mentioned it on twitter, actually.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Latos has actually pitched more innings away from Petco, than there. He's far from a Petco mirage.
He’s basically a little younger version of yovani Gallardo. He’ll be fine.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Still GABP Is a scary place for a fly ball pitcher
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
strauss tweet above
about could slow play Beltran to determine Prince market…what does that even mean..and i hate when he does those speculation posts
because TLR
it means that they could play beltran slow to see what happens to the prince market?
also, i mean, it’s his opinion, i think he’s entitled to post it on his personal twitter
doesnt make sense to me though
if they played the same position i get it…but they dont, and the cards are rumored out on prince..
because TLR
they would both make the cardinals better
they want beltran, but it’s possible fielder could fall and he’s too good to pass up on the right deal
i'd be highly surprised if we get prince
but it looks like mo can afford to wait on beltran for the time being just to see of fielder’s market is as tepid as is being reported
i must go off topic
how do you know if something is dry clean only if it doesn’t say anything about it on the tag?
if it doesn't say dry clean only
then it isn’t dry clean only.
I assume.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 17, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
And if it says "Dry Clean Only"
That means it’s dirty.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't know why the corduroy would need dry cleaning, unless it's very fine (like velvet)
Suede should probably be taken to the dry cleaner.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
just found tags inside the breast pocket. both dry clean only
dang
now another question. how many times can you wear something like a sport coat without dry cleaning it? just until it stinks or is visibly dirty? or do you just dry clean every x wearings
i’m such a noob
You can probably wear a sport coat many times, depending on what you're doing in it.
If you’re just wearing it to work and then putting it on a hanger all day, it’s not really being worn that much. Obviously if it stinks or is visibly dirty, it needs to be cleaned.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
i don’t really have a dress code at work, but it’s a real job, so i don’t want to wear t-shirt/flip-flops every day and come off as some bum college kid. so they’ll probably get worn once a week or so until it gets too hot and they’ll spend a lot of time on the back of my chair or something
thanks
By the way, if it's a cord sport coat, you should take it to the dry cleaner.
If it were casual cord pants or something, you’d be fine washing them.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Short for corduroy - "cords" is slang for corduroy pants
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
oh, ha
yeah, that’s what it is. and the tag says “professional dry clean only,” so that’s what i’ll do
corduroy is generally machine-washable; suede not.
If it’s really suede (not faux-suede), you may need to clean it by hand with a suede cleaning cream.
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by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Braun is out?
Reds.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 17, 2011 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed with Mattyp
Also, is marcum healthy, or his his shoulder shredded like I think it is?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my read on Marcum from last season
he looked tired more than injured. In hindsight, I wonder if skipping a rotation turn or two at some point in September would have helped him.
Then again, remember the glove flip after he gave up the GS to Goldschmidt in the NLDS? Marcum looked pretty frustrated already by that point, so the idea that something was actually wrong with him physically isn’t crazy. Marcum flaming out would really hurt them, considering what they gave up.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
His mechanics scare me, and he had shoulder pain in ST last year
I think he’s a shoulder surgery waiting to happen, unfortunately
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
might still be the Brewers, because of Greinke/Gallardo/Marcum
not sure though. Whether Braun is suspended makes a big difference. Milwaukee’s IF next year: Ramirez/Gonzalez/Weeks/Gamel. Gonna take some getting used to.
Who’s playing short in Cincy next year? Is it Janish by default, or is Jocketty going to get somebody?
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
the reds, probably. but it's pretty close.
the cardinals are better than both of them.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
love Olney's analysis of the Latos trade
If the Reds make the playoffs in 2012 and/or in ’13, in a weak division, and Latos helps, this trade will have served its purpose for the club, tweets Buster Olney of ESPN.com.
Brilliant.
Reds in three?
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Fair enough.
Making the playoffs is like making the W.S. for the Reds these days.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that if the
Trade helps the reds win games, it was a good trade. If it doesn’t, it was a bad trade.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he does go on to say
Would’ve traded Votto this winter for huge prospect haul, plugged Alonso at first. Could’ve contended that way,too,and managed payroll.
Which is the obvious solution.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Pretty funny that Olney is suggesting they should have sold Votto to restock the farm
When what they actually just did was sell the farm.
Alright so my parents keep asking me what I want for Christmas and I'm lost.
I think a good thing to ask for would be somewhat of a list of baseball books. I haven’t read Moneyball and already asked for that. Three Nights in August is in my room so that’s also not a book that I will ask for. Anybody have recommendations for good baseball books that should be read?
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
baseball between the numbers
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 17, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent choice.
Love, in admittedly a short number of articles, Jonah Keri’s writing and knowledge of baseball.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
Here's an article for your off season reading pleasure
What do you think of Ted Williams now?
Regarded as perhaps the finest piece of sportswriting on record, the furious saga of Teddy Ballgame — from boy to man and near death — is an unmatchable remembrance for an American icon.
By Richard Ben Cramer
It’s a very good read in the off season. I read it last year and think it’s excellent
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Keri only wrote 2 of the 29 segments, unfortunately
Most frequent writers are the older Baseball Propsectus writers: Nate Silver, Keith Woolner, Dayn Perry, and James Click.
Some of the articles and stats they talk about are fairly dated, as the book was published in 2006, but overall its a great read for a cheap paperback.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 17, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
October 1964
by David Halberstam. Great story about the Cards season and victory over the Yanks in the WS.
by wildman on Dec 17, 2011 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good choice.
I’m considering it. Good question: Most of the reviews I’ve read seem that it’s a little Yankees-slanted which kind of turn me away from the book. Thoughts?
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This is very funny
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard this is great and that Halberstam in general is phenomenal
I’m gonna put this on my list
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Ty Cobb's auto-biography
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
That would be a fascinating read. I’m hesitant to get it if only because it’s less about baseball and more about the person that Ty Cobb is. However, his story intrigues me enough to where I’ll probably ask for it anyway.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
I don't remember if this was in the book, but I know it was in the movie:
Louis Prima: With all the great players playing ball right now, how well do you think you would do against today’s pitchers?
Ty Cobb: Well, I figure against today’s pitchers I’d only probably hit about .290
Louis Prima: .290? Well that’s amazing, because you batted over .400 a… a whole bunch of times. Now tell us all, we’d all like to know, why do you think you’d only hit .290?
Ty Cobb: Well, I’m 72 fucking years old you ignorant son of a bitch.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a link to the article written by the author of "Cobb"
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Did you click the link? It a very good read I thought
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
not serious
but making fun of the fact that Ty beat up a man with no hands/stumps
by jealousblues on Dec 18, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
touche
What if it was written by All Stumps?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
no, but Christmas present?
Two words: shower radio. Greatest invention ever.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
clothes.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to ask for clothes.
By way of me not asking for literally anything, I’ll definitely get a few pieces of clothing. I don’t know what I’d want though.
I got a raincoat, winter coat, shitload of Mizzou and Cardinals gear, and after that nothing really grabs my attention too much. I could ask for a Rams jersey but I think I’ll wait until they are good.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
so you don't care about looking good?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
obviously gabe needs more skinny ties.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
The fuck?
I don’t worry too much about how I look. Literally the only thing I do is keep my hair short and make sure my face is pimple-free.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
fair enough.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
The Natural
Not the movie
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by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty good choice.
I don’t think I’d be able to read the book after watching the movie however. I’ll read a book and then watch the movie but doing it the opposite puts the movie in my head and usually the author and director have different visions hence ruining the book a bit.
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Truly, this might be the case with this book
Personally, I read the book first, and the movie is hardly anything like the book. Redford was 48 when he made this film, I’m pretty sure the protagonist was in his late 30’s. Redford looked way too old for this role, and so did Close, even though she was probably younger than her character was supposed to be. And there’s just too many things missing and a few too many things added for my taste. The book will likely ruin the movie for you (or vice versa), if you really enjoyed it.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 4:31 AM EST up reply actions
the soul of baseball, by posnanski
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Art of Fielding by Chad Harbach
Novel — haven’t read it yet but it’s getting mostly positive reviews.
Ball Four
by Jim Bouton. Probably the first “inside” look at sports – on the bus, in the hotel, in the clubhouse, in the bullpen. Chronicles the season of a formerly great starting pitcher trying to make a comeback as a knuckleballer with the 1969 Seattle Pilots.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 17, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
The Physics Of Baseball
by Robert Adair. I think that it’s available in a 3rd ed., but earlier editions are easily available online via used bookstores.
"The dog! The dog! He's at it again!"
The Art of Fielding by Chad Harbach
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Also, the Bullpen Gospels was really good
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
my father read this book to me growing up- around age 5. this is what made me fall in love with baseball. also, awesome way to learn about a lot of the old-timers, which i think is really cool stuff to know in today’s era.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 18, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think he lost a bet.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 18, 2011 4:59 AM EST up reply actions
Whitey wrote an autobiography of sorts
There were some interesting insights, especially regarding the drugs situation in the ’80s teams.
Towards the end, though, he has all sorts of “visions” for the future of MLB that are… questionable.
Cards fan in Middle East
"prophet of the sandlots"
a bit dated, but really gets into the kinds of interpersonal relationships and personal hardships that MLB scouts deal with.
“Licensed to deal”- what is is like, to be an MLB agent? (crasnick).
“the umpire strikes back”, Ron Luciano. Yeah, umpires are people, too.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
OT:
My dad just reupped his plan with ATT and got a free refurbished Galaxy S II.
by RasmustheRipper on Dec 17, 2011 5:54 PM EST reply actions
OT
why does a show like man up get cancelled(although not great) and other garbage stays
because TLR
to be honest, that show looked awful
but it does aggravate me to no end that Nielsen ratings are still the only metric by which broadcasters make their decisions. With Tivo/internet/etc, the ratings don’t really reflect the popularity of your show, or the fanaticism of the fans.
At the same time, it’s hard not to blame the idiot American audience. Like, the top 12 shows are all identical CBS police procedurals. They’re the same show, you idiot viewers! Come on!
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
it had its funny moments
it cant be worse than bachelor, or any other ABC show aside from the hits
because TLR
one of the major reasons for the success of the bachelor
And zillions of other reality tv shows is that they’re much cheaper to make. So, they don’t have to be very successful in terms of viewers to be profitable. So any drama or comedy is going to have an uphill battle, because of the production expenses.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 6:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
never saw that side of it.
youd think with the shows traveling all over it’d be cheaper for a studio show- but then you have actors too. and no sponsors like a reality show
because TLR
I think paying scale to actors (and more than scale
To some) and paying a full team of writers is really a lot. Most of the people on reality shows aren’t getting paid (or at least not scale) and the writing is pretty scanty, since they draft up scenarios more than scripts.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2011 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes
this is the whole point of reality TV. Cut the actors & writers (which are union gigs) out and your budget has dropped dramatically.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
But most of them still have writers and actors.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
no they don't, the only union is the crew
reality tv sucks but it’s cheap so that’s why it’s here to stay
Balls
also CBS has done the same,
they canceled Chaos which i felt had a different angle to it as well…they gave the show awful time slots and pulled it before giving it a solid chnce
because TLR
should i be taking this prince stuff seriously?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 6:26 PM EST reply actions
yeah bro purple rain is awesome
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 17, 2011 6:27 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
who invited you to this thread?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Give them a pat on the back, I was gonna make that joke.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
let me rephrase it. How do you edit the text in the subject line as opposed to in the body?
I can’t use edit functions on the text in the subject line such as strikethrough or italics or bold
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you can.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps that why it didn't make sense to PJ
However, I’m sure i’ve seen edited text in subject lines. Who does the owl eye’s? I think I’ve seen those in subject lines
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Special characters are different
but you can’t use text effects, links, or html in the subject.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
How do you use/get these special characters you speak of?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s one way. Also, you can just copy / paste from somewhere.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Now I know you didn't use a subject line ... also the table looks cool I ♥ it
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
this may be my newest bestest friend ® Images of fun and frivolity are filling me with Christmas delight ©
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking of the Sheriffs son on the Simpsons giving Lisa a Valentine card when I used the heart, and chuckle when I see it again
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 21, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody tell him perhaps it was just bolded body text
Joking aside, there’s no way afaik to do something special in the subject line text
by hr on Dec 17, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
ha that was probably what I saw...still think I saw owl eyes in subject line or at least body yesterday or day before
seems like in might have been flimflam
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
oh, as continental said above, you can put special text (e.g., ಠ_ಠ ) in your subject line, but you can't do fancy things like hyperlinks or italics
by hr on Dec 17, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those are not "owl eyes"
look of disapproval
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if you want to do certain effects in the "subject"
you can just skip the subject altogether and use bolded text in the body.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Got it. Thanks TC and hr. You guys are Ca$h
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you mean ಠ_ಠ
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
i mean
two people have already said that using non-ASCII characters is not the same as styling your text, so i’m not convinced that you do
allow me to illustrate the difference between non-ASCII characters:
ಠ_ಠ
and stylized text:
ಠ_ಠ
ಠ_ಠ
ಠ_ಠ
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
No I got it. They gave me what I was looking for without using the word "styling" and gave me other options for the subject line
I immediately got what you just told me which is not what I was asking. i was using the knowledge learned from the 2 you mentioned to respond to you and play with my new toy at the same time, and even while I didn’t use your stylized text in my response, I still understood it.
However, now I am familiar with the term styling, even though I already utilize the editing functions, so thank you very much for expanding my internet blog vocabulary. BTW all those eyes look sinister lined up on top of each other
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Holliday just promoted Carlos Beltran on facebook...
what might this mean?
my love for you is like a truck
Is he now his BFFaE
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
BELTRAN SEEN IN STARBUCKS IN CHICAGO STOP NO DETAILS ON CREAM OR SUGAR STOP EPSTEIN DECLINES COMMENT STOP
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
by nota bene on Dec 17, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
really
my love for you is like a truck
by TheHolyDiver19 on Dec 17, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think it means
The actual Matt Holliday has no idea he even has a Facebook page.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ugh.
Mariners are about to sign George Sherril for $1.1 million + incentives.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 6:58 PM EST reply actions
and we paid JC Romero 750k
what the actual fuck?
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 18, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
here is his new page being promoted by holliday himself
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carlos-Beltran/290060437697648
my love for you is like a truck
I doubt Holliday controls that facebook page.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, but i doubt its just a crazed fan either
my love for you is like a truck
by TheHolyDiver19 on Dec 17, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I hope hope hope he is signed
Honestly a three year deal is fine
Baseball was designed to break your heart
just honest speculation
obviously this is not a confirmation of a signing
my love for you is like a truck
by TheHolyDiver19 on Dec 17, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
If they do sign Prince, they should put in a clause to drop 50 lbs
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
And shave the porkchops
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
The barber got a little aggressive on the the "burns"
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
epic sig win
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
How weird would it be if 20 years from now Prince Fielder
is the Hall of fame 1B wearing the red blazer on opening day?
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to change it earlier today..
but you know….laziness.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Albert would cried
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if he even weighed the implications of a 10 PSC in his mind to realize the significance of what he was giving up for that
That personal service contract is the most insulting one to StL fans IMHO
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
And yet he claimed that was one of the "insulting" points of the StL offer
And the sick thing is that the Cards honor players who left them, too!
Sutter didn’t end his career as a Card, after all.
Well, hopefully we will all live to see Albert cry at a Cardinal WS in the 20s.
Cards fan in Middle East
Yes, in StL and against the Angels so he really has something to "Pujols cried" about
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I think he might have gone a long way to mollify Cards fans
if he had just said something cool like,
“At least this way I don’t have to face the Cardinals in the near future, except for the WS”
Cards fan in Middle East
Anything would have been better than their campaign to make us feel sorry for them
Saying nothing would have also been better than the misguided approach they’ve taken
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
By the time that came out the "Pujols cried" stuff was already out though wasn't it?
Ad seemed false to me considering the press that was coming out
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of red blazers
I can’t recall if this has come up before…will Carpenter get a red blazer?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 17, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
not unless they expand it to non-HOF's
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
thats what i was thinking
unless McGwire gets in, (fat chance) wont be adding to the club any time soon, and that sucks
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 17, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yes this discussion occurred a week or two ago and that was the conclusion what with the RB club aging and all
There are a few Hall of the Rally Good players around to fill some RB roster spots though
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
TLR says hello
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he already had one.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
he does. So does Sutter
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
sanku
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
he does slur a lot of words
and have a general glazed look at all times
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 17, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know but he's one self-important SOB
He’s been slammmming the Pujols contract lately though which is a little funny though
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Twitter Prince rumors
have told me this: Cubs, Rangers, Cards and fielder
http://twitter.com/#!/search/prince%20fielder
because TLR
hopefully we run the price up sky-high for the Cubs
Go, Go, Brinksman Mo.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Finally the Cards are linked to Ross.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Cardinals-Carlos-Beltran-still-interested-in-outfielder-121711
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 7:57 PM EST reply actions
ross has zero upside
i’d rather they not sign anyone if they don’t get Beltran.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 17, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't think Ross is a suitable temporary starter while Craig is out?
You don’t think he makes an excellent platoon partner with Jay the way he handles left handed pitching?
No one is claiming the guy comes close to being Carlos Beltran, but he seems to be an obvious choice if they don’t get him. The guy has 4th OF written all over him and that’s really all we need. If we can do better than great, but he makes a ton of sense for us.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
is he that much better than someone we could bring up, though?
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 17, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I mean...assuming we didn't sign anybody...
Our opening day OF’s would be Holliday, Jay, Skip, Chambers, and Komatsu.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
ok.
we just won the world series. give a youngster a chance. no? we need a guy who is living off one postseason? not trying to flame, just trying to understand why we need a guy so desperately who isn’t a starter.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 17, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
COCO CRISP IN ALL CAPS
He’s been about as good a hitter, is a lot faster, is + in CF let alone the corners and defensive replacement potential makes him a better fit. The only reason he probably can’t lock down a starting job is injuries, which isn’t really a big deal as a 4th OFer.
Not afraid to nitpick
I wouldn't mind him either.
I just like Ross for the pop he adds to the bench.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
but COCO CRISP IN ALL CAPS has speed and steals lots of bases while having ability to hit HRs as well
And sometimes sports really big hair
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Was he the one that left that "present" for Dusty Baker?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
not sure what you are referring to.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, it's an old meme
I misread the part about Ross adding “pop” to the bench. Someone left a human turd in the Cub’s dugout on Dusty’s last day of manager.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
ha..thats fantastic.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Brewers won bid for Aoki
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 8:08 PM EST reply actions
That's a little unexpected, isn't it?
They may be surprised themselves.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they want to rid themselves of Nyjer.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
At 2.5M, I think they threw out what seemed like a low-ball flier
and he ended up in their lap. Certainly not the worst problem to have.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
this is a good reminder for some
@DSzymborski
People keep asking me about Freese projection. Once again, his MLB stats aren’t his baseline when they have a .365 BABIP.
Freese is very likely to have a higher BABIP going forward than average. He’s not likely to touch .365.
Even setting a min. 1000 PA, a .365 BABIP is top 10 in baseball history.
A .365 BABIP is the equivalent of me getting a date with Scarlett Johannson.
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2011 8:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So you're saying there's a chance...
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Freese projection is one of the least questionable of the whole lot.
Freese =/= Ted Williams
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
been so tired the last 2 days after adjusting from class at 12:30 after a 10 minute bus ride
to work at 9 after an hour-ish commute
gonna watch a movie tonight. anyone seen another earth?
I've only seen the one
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty sure I have, one where the college girl gets in the accident right?
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Is it the one I was thinking of earlier?
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I liked it too, not the greatest I saw over the summer but definitely near the top.
Note: I saw a lot of movies this summer. Best was Tree of Life.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, i'll look into
i don’t watch many movies, but when i do, i’m not the hangover 2 type of movie watcher
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah same here
Normally don’t but there was a bunch during the summer at our art-house theater and every time I went to see one I would see a preview of another one that looked really good. It was like an addiction.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
OT: looking to upgrade my phone
and Sprint wants to charge ~$100 more for an “upgrade”, as opposed to a “new account”. Nice loyalty reward, there, guys…
Anyway, does anyone know a way around that? I’d like to keep my old number. Don’t think I can just cancel my account and then sign back up, can I?
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
this was just discussed a few days ago...
is your contract up? have you looked online? if the answer is “yes” to both, you’re simply looking at the upgrade price instead of the “new contract” price, which is the price you will get if you agree to another two year agreement.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
yes
i was told by a representative that once i was eligible for upgrade, i would be able to get a new phone at new contract price
thx, just re-found that thread
Apparently I even posted in it, lol. But in my usual nonconstructive sarcastic manner…
Guess I’ll give them a call tomorrow. Doesn’t look like you can get the “new contract price” for upgrades using the internet, and the Sprint store prices are ridiculous.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
i'm not sure you can get the "new contract" price online because they don't do agreements online.
but if you go to the store they’ll give you the lowest price that exists on the phone because you’re getting a new contract.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
ah, but that's ($199) another $50 more than the online upgrade price
plus CA sales tax, another ~20 bucks.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
that's confusing.
regardless, i’m sure sprint will get you the best price if you just ask.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't read up much, but my initial response to the Reds getting Latos is "well, shit."
Is this the consensus?
VEB WINTER MEET-UP DISCUSSION
SIGN CARLOS BELTRAN
The prospects they gave up are that good?
Latos looks like a young, top of the line guy who hasn’t even started arb.
VEB WINTER MEET-UP DISCUSSION
SIGN CARLOS BELTRAN
those were the reds' top 2 prospects
latos is moving from petco to GABP. he’ll take a hit in effectiveness
basically
Grandal & Alonso were blocked, and they’re obviously giving up on Volquez. Latos is a frontline starter (which the Reds badly needed), he’s 24 and under team control. Two caveats are previous shoulder trouble and he’s flyball prone. The Reds look better next year, maybe not so much in a few years. Typical Jocketty trade. I think it’s an overpay, although Latos should have been expensive regardless.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
I guess it depends on how the players pan out
it seems with the Cards that most of the prospects we trade away dont pan out anyway.
Maybe im looking at that from only our point of view and maybe we are “lucky” in that regard but the only trade we lost big time was the Haren one.
Heck look at Wallace and Colby (though obviously he could turn it all around)
I guess Gregerson too
and to make things worse we traded him for Greene who I HATED and everyone else seemed to love.
ugh.
I know it looks like a lot but how many times do these guy just not pan out?
by jealousblues on Dec 18, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I don't imagine they'll re-sign him once he hits the free market in four years.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
kinda reminds me of the Eric Bedard trade
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
reminded me of the Big unit trade
however Latos not a free agent and the reds arent in a post season hunt…but the blocked prospect thing…that trade worked well for the Mariners
because TLR
Not quite as bad since Latos hasn't missed as much time as Bedard had.
Depends on how hard his stats get park adjusted.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Goold was saying it was similar to Mulder deal. Which would make sense
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
IMO they definitely have the right idea: Their pitching is so, so damn bad.
I don’t really know of Latos was worth the value…hell I think we can say up front that Latos is not worth the value they gave up. The problem is that their needs were so glaring and the three main pieces of the trade were much less valuable to the Reds than elsewhere.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Also, I would say without looking at the stats that the Reds, Brewers, and Cardinals are all now within the margin of error of one another for division leader favorite.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Yeah...
the alternatives were pretty questionable as well. Do nothing isn’t an option when you have these duplicate prospects. They could’ve traded Alonso for someone like Jeff Niemann, but they already have a bunch of so-so guys like that. The only other option was trading Votto for a bunch of talent. That would’ve freed up $10 million in addition to whatever Votto brought, but there’s nothing really good to buy on the free agent market.
Sign Roy O
Hey fink,
What’s your image profile?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I thought there was a quality there that reminded me of chemistry lab
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Looking over our prospects...
Matt Adams-Consensus Top 10 1B prospect in all of baseball.
Kolten Wong- Consensus Top 5 2B prospect in all of baseball.
Zach Cox- Consensus top 15, some have him in their top 10 3B
Oscar Tavares- Top 15, Top 10 in some circles for OF
Shelby Miller- Top 10 prospect overall
Carlos Martinez- Top 30 overall
Ryan Jackson, Tyrell Jenkins, Jordan Swaggerty, Maikel Cleto all cracking some Top 100 lists.
I’m hard pressed to find an organization with that many guys being so well ranked. At the beginning of last year, I couldn’t find many position players in our org, but now it is becoming more balanced.
by rumors on Dec 17, 2011 9:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sickels gave 11 Royals prospects a grade of "B-" or better.
He gave 13 Cardinals prospects a B- or better.
Damn, I forgot the Royals have Bubba Starling too.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, the Royals graduated almost all of their B+ or better guys
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Royals still well-stocked
They have Starling and Myers, who are definitely top-shelf.
Also Cuthbert and Odorizzi, who ought to be B+.
Then guys who either have good upside or solid floors, like Colon, Montgomery. Dwyer, Hererra, and Lamb.
Why does everyone always forget about Trevor rosenthal?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 9:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not like anybody ever updates him or anything. Somebody should dedicate their sig to him...
But who?
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
For realz
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I got this
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 17, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think that should be:
“Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?”
“Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?”
“Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?”
-VolsnCards5
> tebow
"Why does ev"
“Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?”
“Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?”
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 17, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
These are excellent questions
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
True that
The Pads, Nats, and Blue Jays likely have superior systems on paper, and then its probably a toss-up with Cards, Royals, Rays, and Mariners (depending on how you like your prospects served).
One thing I really like about the Cards system right now is the mix among guys with upside and just steady projection, and both hitters and pitchers.
Oh, my.
It’s been three full days since the posting period for Yu Darvish has closed, but we’re still waiting to find out which team placed the high bid. That high bid will be a posting process record according to Franz Lidz of SI.com, who hears from Japanese league officials that the winning bid exceeds the $51.1MM the Red Sox paid for the right to negotiate with Daisuke Matsuzaka five years ago. The exact amount is unknown.
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by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 9:50 PM EST reply actions
This defies all reason
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by peppermartin on Dec 17, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when there was all that hand wringing that drafted players were getting paid too much money even though everyone pretty much agreed they were worth it?
Not afraid to nitpick
not entirely sure how this works
does the player even get any of that money? doesn’t that go to the team and then they have to work out a contract with the player
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if the player gets a piece of it
but the posting bid goes to the team.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Correct
But the teams really couldn’t care less whom they are paying the money.
If Strasburg throwing 102 with an 80 curve and a 70 change is a problem for getting 15 mil, what’s it gonna say when Darvish gets like 120?
Not afraid to nitpick
this is true
but it’s much more questionable that darvish is worth it. he’s getting paid an order of magnitude more money than almost all first round picks and he plays in a league that is roughly equivalent to, what, high-A?
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
There was all this uproar that “guys who have never stepped on a MLB field” were getting <15 mil, then Darvish/Matsuzaka are costing >100—-and Strasburg was a significantly better prospect than both—-but I don’t think we’re gonna have any CBA negotiations about that because it’s harder to screw over guys who have leverage.
Not afraid to nitpick
wow
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 18, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
More "Respect" for Albert from Arte
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 10:32 PM EST reply actions
The race to 763 will be interesting...
he needs to average 32 HRs a year for 10 years to make it. Odds are he won’t get there, but if he averages 38 HRs for the next five years, that will get him to 635, just 128 away with five years to go on the contract. Does he hang around as a DH to get the 26 home runs per year that he needs? He’ll be tempted to do so. I can see a pretty grim slog ahead…
Sign Roy O
"The race to 763..."
Oof. That just makes me sad that it isn’t 755 any more. Looks like A-Rod can get there averaging 27 for 5 years, which seems doable, but not a sure thing.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
yeesh...
At this point, who would you rather be the home run king? Barry Bonds, A-Rod, or Pujols?
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely, he's by far the lesser of the 3 evils
and y’all know i don’t find him all that evil. at least he’s honest about who he is
Balls
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but the dude just got parole for committing perjury.
Perhaps honest isn’t the best word to describe Bonds.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 18, 2011 4:05 AM EST up reply actions
i meant he's a jerk & doesn't hide it
and that perjury conviction is a joke & everyone knows it
Balls
Pujols. A-Rod and Bonds both took the money and did 'roids. As far as we know Pujols has only taken the money.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah,
but I kinda want Albert to average 4.5 homers over the next 10 years.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Meh I don't really care, especially since he's in the other league
If he falls off, people will forget historically just how fucking awesome he has been for the first 11.
Though of course there would be a hefty dose of schadenfreude if he takes another step back from last year and that contract turns into an anchor from day 1.
Not afraid to nitpick
Absolutely, Albert.
Even though he’s a maching, he still seems to be more human than those two. I’m completely fine with him achieving all these individual milestones as long as he isn’t hoisting the WS trophy.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I actually hate all the anti-roid stuff
Because all the amphetamine players have gotten off scott free and they refuse to stick up for any of the steroid guys.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
A-Rod's gonna be close
I feel like he’s due for a 40 bomb resurgence season if they just drop him into DHing and/or he stays healthy. He started out awesome last year till he got hurt (again). Plus he’s probably vain enough to hang on with the Pirates or something to get there.
Not afraid to nitpick
Bonds wanted to keep playing,
but even Pittsburgh wouldn’t take him.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
That's because of the stink of him being federally indicted
If not for that, I’d wager someone would have signed a guy who could hit .276 .480 .565 in limited duty.
Not afraid to nitpick
He probably could have DHed for another 5 years on strike zone judgment alone
13% O-Swing!!!!!!!!!! Shit it wouldn’t surprise me if he came back now and put up like .250/.370/.400 or something.
Not afraid to nitpick
Good call...
completely forgot the finish line could move. That’ll sink Pujols if it moves much.
Sign Roy O
Yeah, just saw that...
Getting $3 million for hitting career hit 3,000. Holy crap.
good to know that it wasn't all about the money
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, if he doesn't reach that particular milestone
his will be the worst contract in history.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Blues in a shootout = automatic loss
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:44 PM EST reply actions
pretty much
Just happy to see they at least got a goal and a point
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well that doesn't seem statistically possible
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Well Urkel,
So it’s pretty close.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
-So*
not sure where that came from.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 17, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I did the same thing.
I thought, FFS, and ran to check my roster.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 17, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's bad that I don't remember anything said during a 10 minute conversation with my boss (the head coach)
during the Christmas party last night, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i assume you were a drunk
Depends on what kind of drunk you are
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Chatty, mostly
I know I didn’t embarass myself, because I would actually remember that. I just don’t remember the contents of the whole 10 minutes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It was a Christmas party.
I don’t think you’re supposed to remember that much.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
yes.
considering it was your first one? even worse.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I now have proof I'm not the worst dancer on the planet!
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 17, 2011 11:09 PM EST reply actions
Anyone have options for high-speed Internet with static IPs in St. Louis?
I’m about done with AT&T / Uverse.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 11:46 PM EST reply actions
Looks like I can't get Verizon FiOS
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
So I'm looking around on lids.com
checking out Cardinals gear, and I see that the David Freese and Lance Berkman MLB Player t-shirts are going for $25. Then I notice, the Albert shirt has been marked down to $10. It is to laugh…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 12:00 AM EST reply actions
Lids.com gives a clue as to why we won the World Series
Turns out, he is a Cardinals fan. I wonder what keys he has, though…
Link
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 18, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
From a certain point of view (not mine)
one could answer this as “the Keys to the Kingdom”, I suppose.
/religion
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
/religion
Apologies, forgot about that rule.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 18, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Another way to answer this might have been
his house key and his car keys. He probably has a copy of his brother Felipe’s house key, too.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Your daily December Christmas song:
Brenda Lee – I’m Gonna Lasso Santa Claus
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 18, 2011 12:18 AM EST reply actions
Sweet ... thanks TC
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Just seeing the stuff about Latos having maturity issues
Hopefully Cueto takes him under his wing
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 18, 2011 1:13 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
OT: The IRS sucks
Cards fan in Middle East
by Shloz on Dec 18, 2011 3:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why? Did they catch you cheating on your taxe₪?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
No, just (not-quite-but-really) accusing us of it
Hit us with a “document request” for all of our tax information for the past 5 years.
Now I have to waste a bunch of time and effort (and $, of course) proving I am who I say I am, live where I say I live, that I’m married to my wife and live with her, and that our children are ours and live with us as well.
Cards fan in Middle East
Damn IRS bastages, f'ing with people over the holidays
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think they do randomly generated audits
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just watched Moneyball
It felt really good when Billy Beane turned the offer from the Red Sox cause he wanted to stay with the A’s. It wasn’t about the money with him.
Berkman said it was always about money for everyone
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 18, 2011 4:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh my goodness
Don’t do this Sporcle quiz on an empty stomach. Yummmmm
Never heard of a few of these, only managed to ID 13/25.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 4:22 AM EST reply actions
I managed 23/25 (with some help from the alternate names)
The two I missed I had never seen before. One of them I was able to figure out what was in it, but it had some silly name that I couldn’t guess. Luckily for me, I just ate breakfast, so I’m not drooling right now.
I saw the transiberian orchestra tonight
It was pretty bad ass. Lasers. Fireworks. Fire. Hard rock and some pretty talented musicians
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 18, 2011 4:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
crazy 6am pain killers haven't kicked in thought
if they can get Big Veg on the cheap, why don’t the Cards sign both him & Beltran? i mean, they got the money
Balls
You are a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma
you’ve subscribed to 59 blogs, and left exactly 1 comment in 55 of them, and 0 in the other 4. Cat got your tongue?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and get an avatar guy/A's fan!
Actually you are quite welcome to stop by for friendly chats and sharing perspectives
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
as we await a new thread
the birds are in the side yard, chomping away; except the big fat red cardinal who has been missing lately. I think his name is Albert
I miss cardinals
One bird that is quite exclusive to the West side of the Atlantic
Cards fan in Middle East
Wife and I are entertaining ourselves with Game 5 of the 2006 NLCS against the Mets
Just pulled it out of the mailbox yesterday. P.S. Got the 8 disk collector’s edition for $17.95 (had $10 gift credit) from Amazon
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Actually I just got that too, same site.
I watched that game last week.
I had hoped that the WS film came with the box set. Oh well.
All those 2006 games are cool. And it’s amazing how many of Joe and Tim’s comments back then still ring true today (I know, on VEB we like to bash them, but they are quite often spot on).
Cards fan in Middle East
I think it is cheap although I didn't get it
I bought the 2011 WS film on bluray in addition to the 2011 WS 8 DVD set of course
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'll wait a bit for Albert to bring the 2011 set down a little more
and get it for my submitting-my-thesis present
Cards fan in Middle East
Congrats on completing post grad studies
I don’t think the Pujols signing will have any effect on the 2011 WS set though and it’s already at $50 bucks on Amazon for the Hollidays®
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
The Inge error on Rolen is gorgeous
And Weaver was really kicking butt by that point.
Hard to believe the way he started out in July.
Cards fan in Middle East
Wrong game of course
The Inge error was in WS game 1.
But Weaver kicked butt in NLCS game 5.
Cards fan in Middle East
No spoilers please
HAHAHAHAHAHA
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
...
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 18, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the beginning of Weaver's stint with us was just brutal.
It was pretty amazing how he was able to pull it together like that in the playoffs.
Your goal shouldn't be to buy players. Your goal should be to buy wins.
I think that is short sighted. It’s like the head of companies focusing on short term stock price to please the day traders.
Yes, winning brings in money and fans to a team. But it doesn’t keep them unless you can keep the team winning (and you simply can’t do that). Tying hall of fame players to your team for the rest of their lives do.
It’s one of the reasons the Marlins have failed to gain much traction in a state that likes baseball a lot. It’s why the Cubs have such a following despite sucking so badly. Another case would be the Rams – they won, then got rid of most of its brightest players as soon as they could..
Now that they suck, how can they get people to go to a Rams game? Can they wheel out Warner or Bruce or Holt? No, because they resent the team for having been cut, even in two of those cases they didn’t really catch on elsewhere, but Warner did.
By contrast, the football Cardinals weren’t here that much longer (27 vs 18), but still are more strongly associated with St. Louis than the Rams, even though the Rams actually did more winning (in terms of playoffs/SBs).
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