Friday Morning Thread: Talk about Cody Ross Maybe
by DanUpBaby on Dec 16, 2011 9:49 AM EST
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I'm still in transit, at least mentally--while I figure out my computing situation and attempt to turn my brain back on, maybe talk about Cody Ross or something? More forthcoming this afternoon (#developing.)
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did you get your glasses go out the door you're gonna hit this city?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
not yet - I have to go get some jack so I can brush my teeth
by Action Jaxon on Dec 16, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
*ashamed and embarrassed to know such things*
by Action Jaxon on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
my girlfriend takes great pleasure in showing me unflattering pictures of Ke$ha.
I’m not sure why, I have no interest in knowing anything about her.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
my condolences
sign skip, skip nick #illogic SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer
tweeted on December 11th that:
Ross is reportedly looking for 3 years, $18 million. Absolutely no chance #Reds offer anything near that
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Looks like the Rockies got Cuddyer and the Jays Darvish...
seems like things are setting up nicely.
Sign Roy O
That's a lot of cash for a guy with such a severe platoon split
Granted, he’s a lefty-masher (wOBA .384 versus lefties, .317 versus righties), but that’s a lot of money for a guy who hits well against pitchers who only appear 25-30% of the time (percentage figure is a wild-ass guess by me).
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
$6 million is a lot of money for a part-time outfielder, to be sure.
Any reports on what Crisp is asking for?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Nope, I haven't seen anything on him yet
Just kind of reacquainting myself with his line from last year, and that .314 OBP / .379 SLG is disappointing. Both career lows (for full season).
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
any guesses as to what Beltran would take?
He’s probably going to get at least 2/24 or so, right?
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
It's looking like it might take 3 years
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I'm sure the Cards are willing to go
2 years + an option with a not insignificant buyout. Will a team go over them for 3? And what if that team sucks? Would Beltran be willing to take more money but go to a team that sucks? I think not. I think he wants to win and the Cards can offer that.
So,
would a 2/24 with an option year do it? I wonder, given the other signings, if he’s not going to expect something more like 3/45 guaranteed. What AAV is the Cards breaking point for Beltran? What should be our max offer?
I always admired/feared Beltran. Having him and Berkman both on the team would feel really weird. A feeling that I wouldn’t mind one bit if we repeat!
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know but the Cards should not
panic. The Jays got Darvish so their pockets are lighter. The Rockies got Cuddyer, probably not so hot after Beltran now. Things are trending right for the Cards to land Beltran with a 2 year deal.
I would take the over on 24 over 2.
Prices have been high this year and outfielders are slim. Although I couldn’t imagine a team giving him 45 guaranteed, but I guess all it takes is one.
Cody Ross does destroy lefties--career .384 against LHP, 135 wRC+
And most years he has been an average-ish hitter overall, or a little above. Seems like he can play average-ish defense at all three outfield spots too. If he’s really asking for 3 years and 18 million, that seems like a bit much to me given how crowded our outfield might get.
Depending on price for Ross (like, less than $6 million per year)
A Craig/Ross platoon would be pretty kicky-assy.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
If we can't get
Carlos Beltran, maybe we should go after our 26th rounder from ‘91. But seriously, Ross is 3 1/2 years younger than Beltran, I wouldn’t mind him, even if he’s not a + defender. Still not nearly as good as Beltran, and $6 mil a year is too much for Ross..
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Don't fall into this trap, guay.
Ross is a mid-tier, limited, possibly declining vet who wants a muti-year, $15-20MM contract. He’s 31 and he’s been a 2WAR/500PA player in his career. Meh.
IMO, these are exactly the guys you avoid. Signing Ross is employing the anti-stars and scrubs approach – he’s neither an ultra-cheap scrub with upside, nor an actual star worth paying significant dollars to. He caps your upside and constrains your finances.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah you're right...
I was thinking he could be had for a year and maybe you put him in when Jay goes on one of his 10 game stretches where he doesn’t get the ball out of the infield.
Sign Roy O
...
when Jay goes on one of his 10 game stretches where he doesn’t get the ball out of the infield
I believe this is called a “Skippy.”
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah, Juan Enc signed for about what he was worth
I’m still sad about the way that Cardinal Nation treated him. yeah, he wasn’t Larry Walker- or reggie sanders- or 2011 Lance Berkman- but few are. And, for the most part, those guys don’t sign for multiple years at $5M/yr. Yeah, it’s TLR’s fault that he kept playing Juan after Luddy showed signs of breaking out, but we’ve had the advantage of seeing additional data now that shows that that might not have been that irrational (despite what I thought at the time).
Anyway, hating juan enc in 2011+ is just bad form. He was what he was, a random gapfiller for an aging GM who thought his Edmondses would be 6-8 fWar players forever, and for whatever reason, we blamed Juan Enc for when Edmonds and Rolen fell of a cliff. And then Aaron Miles hit a foul ball that let us off the hook, and Juan was conveniently never to be heard from again…
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
i understand the sentiment
but cody ross would end up in the same situation, if he were to be signed
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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Yeah, sorry, my bad
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Do not platoon A. Craig!!
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Dec 16, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I meant Jay, typo
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
It's not a typo if you type Craig instead of Jay, unless VEB is auto correcting like Outlook or something
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, officer
Meant Jay/Ross all along, but had read mattybobo’s comment about “after Craig gets back” and typed Craig’s name instead of Jay’s. I’m not a moran, I posted about Ross’s lefty-hitting ability above, and I also know that Jay hits left-handed.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Just messing with you lightbulb
I make the same mistake as you describe at times
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 17, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Jay/Ross platoon makes a ton of sense
as long as we don’t have to pay more than $4.5 mil for Ross or give him 3 years.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also, think of the possibilities...
If Holliday ever gets a day off…..All 2 first name outfield! Cody Ross, Jon Jay, and Allen Craig!
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Ross can play CF?
i’ve always thought of him as a corner guy. if he can play CF (and from a quick look on fangraphs, looks like he can at a slightly substandard level, which i think i’m ok with), i am all for this signing, maybe even in lieu of Beltran if it gives us flexibility to do something down the road.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
career -0.4 UZR/150 in CF, only one positive value year (15.4 for the Marlins in 08 in 866 innings)
given that and a few years later, i’d peg him at a slightly below average CF. still probably better than Beltran now.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
yep
sign skip, skip nick #illogic SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cubs "early favorites" on Fielder
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. New GM, but the Cubs might be Soriano-ing themselves again.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Prince and CC on the same team?
Major Leage Baseball presents the All-Chubby Fantasy Team (incomplete – needs input)
Starting Rotation?
CC Sabathia
Livan Hernandez (relatively chubby)
David Wells
Closer?
Terry Forster (I don’t even know this guy… I just googled fat closer)
On the Field?
1st: Mo Vaughn
2nd: Matt Stairs (played 2B once in 2001, he should make this list, he’s fat)
SS: Edgar Renteria kinda has a belly… I can’t think of a chubby shortstop
3rd: Terry Pendleton (chubby cardinal) Miguel Cabrera
Catcher: Molinas (I’m thinking power ranger Mega Zord of Molinas?)
Right: Hack Wilson (nice guy)
Center: John Kruk (11 games in ’91, he was chubby)
Left: Dmitri Young (def chubby)
DH: Cecil Fielder (wonderfully chubby)
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Ha
Too easy!
Maybe it should be an All Tall And Gangly Team. I’m thinking a rotation led by Randy Johnson for starters.
Randy might also qualify for the all-facial hair team
by Action Jaxon on Dec 16, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
And he can thank Walt Frazier, Emmitt Smith and Keith Hernandez for that!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Randy is also on the all ugly team
Also happens to have Willie McGee on it
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 16, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WMT's gonna have your ass for that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Otis Nixon and Ezequiel Astacio are front-runners for that team
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
i would imagine
this has been referenced here before, but funny nonetheless.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I clicked it
Just to make sure Mossi was on it and there he was leading off the rotation.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
poor bastards
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Notgraphs also did one.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Dec 17, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Jenny Craig for clubhouse eats. . . Marge Schott's dog (Schotizie??) who. . .
wore number ONE, but did number TWO in the pen for mascot. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I don't know about Closers
But Rich “El Guapo” Garces and Ray King are definitely in the ’pen.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Awww!!
Bling Bling Ray King for sure!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
How are we forgetting Pork Chop Reyes?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
El Sid Fernandez in the Rotation
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
No, just the fattest.
He’s in!z
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think the funny "out-weighs" the talent...
Sidney Ponson always reminds me of Dennys Reyes!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
You must pay the Tub..
Terry Forster was Letterman’s “Fat Tub of Goo” pitcher, way back when. For the All-Fat team, you pay a guy like that.
by Beelzebubba on Dec 16, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Fernando Valenzuela SP
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Although, LOL at 5’11" and 185 being considered “fat.”
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Second base has to be Ronnie Belliard
and Yunesky Bettencourt at shorstop. Kirby Pucket has to be the Centerfielder.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.
chubby ss?
try edgar’s replacement in sf: miguel tejada.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
JUAN F-ING URIBE
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
rod beck for chubby closer
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
chubby SS?
I recall Freddy Patek as being rather plump
"I'M NOT FAT I'M BIG-BONED!!!"
;=8)
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
If Tony Gwynn, then Kirby Puckett.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I'd rather talk about Carlos Beltran
And how he would be an excellent, excellent addition to our baseball team. What about 2 years with a relatively huge aav? 2/32? Is that ridiculous?
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 16, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions
That much money is starting to reach the point at which I'd be nervous
I’d prefer something in the mid-20s. That said, I still think there’s a possibility someone will give him four years and just blow us out of the water.
The Mollusk is a great album but i've always thought nitrous would fit the vibe better than acid
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
To each their own I suppose
I’d be fine with huge figures over a short amount of time. I just don’t think 2 years is gonna get it done, but it might if the aav is ridiculous.
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 16, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
keep going!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Life fail
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Dec 16, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
You guys are mean...
I’m sick of this crap! (Insert long rant about not yet being invited to the clique)
\end sarcasm
by Action Jaxon on Dec 16, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
HTML slash fail...
…I think you mean: “/sarcasm”
You said: "end ‘end sarcasm’ "
Not to mention using a backslash. Where did you get your internet license again?
Get it together, dude.
by Beelzebubba on Dec 16, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Heh! Go to an old thread and practice...
that’s what I did…
Wax on… wax off.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Don't panic...
One day, the Internets shall all be yours…so it is written.
by Beelzebubba on Dec 16, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
So, the meek shall inherit the Internets?
Or the uninitiated?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
like this?
C:\My Documents\Lifelong Dreams\end sarcasm
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
yep
that’s where i keep my sooper serious documents
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy Cow
Michael Cuddyer signed with the Rockies for a reported 3 years and $31.5 million.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wow
Colorado must like how he projects to hit at Coors Field.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
And think Cuddyer's 2010 is an aberration
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Not necessarily...
Beltran is limited by age and health. He’s not getting more than three years and maybe he won’t get that. Plus Ross and Crisp are hanging around as inferior substitutes…
Sign Roy O
Maybe it's just me...
But this FA as a whole has seemed pretty bad. With the exception of Jose Reyes, it seems like this off-season has been almost entirely compromised of aging stars being overpaid, or younger B players being overplayed. It’s really killing my excitement about any potential future deals before the season starts.
WWCD? CDGAF.
I really wish the Marlins didn't have (or think they had) the money to chase both Pujols and Reyes.
A shot at Reyes would’ve been nice.
WWCD? CDGAF.
Pujols and Reyes are both top-shelf talents.
I understand the contracts they received. However, C.J. Wilson’s contract and Cuddyer’s are confusing to me. (Willingham’s seemed fair enough (but I’ve long been a Willingham fan).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I also didn't like the CJ Wilson contract
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
agreed, but in relation to the Buehrle contract it looks like pure genius
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
I think Buehrle, moving to the NL, has a much better chance to live up to his contract. He is a clockwork 3.5ish WAR pitcher. Changing league’s will help offset a bit of his age decline. I don’t like either contract but I dislike Buehrle’s less. Wilson’s is six years long, which is never a good idea for a pitcher.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i believe cj's deal is for 5 yrs;
the 6yr deal was supposedly from the marlins.
in 2016, cj will be making $20mil – eegads!
by westsidecards on Dec 16, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
must be nice to have so much money
that you can afford to be stupid.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
CJ's only 5 years
and he and Buehrle are making the same AAV. in what universe does that make sense? i dunno, your analysis is probably spot on, it just doesn’t seem to make sense to me. but then again, i don’t have much faith in Wilson to stay consistent.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
For some reason I thought Wilson's was six years.
I don’t know why. That probably changes things in terms of who will likely we worth their contract. That being said, I’d still rather have Buehrle on his contract than Wilson on his.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i liked him when he had Catcher eligibility in fantasy baseball
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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I made a killing off of Pablo Sandoval's catcher eligibility once.
I think I had him and McCann at catcher.
I would say it looks like a much, much better FA...
Except at least half the names that would make me say that, I highly expect will be extended before then.
WWCD? CDGAF.
LOLorado!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
That could end up being about market rate, couldn't it?
He’s not a good defender at all, and Coors is a big field. But it might also help his hitting, right? He’s an average-ish player. Isn’t this contract basically paying him for something like 2 WAR a year?
I think they are planning on playing him at 1B once Helton's contract expires.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't know how Cuddyer's bat plays at first base.
Given his age, though, I’d have to think his ability to field multiple positions badly will only get worse. Although, as I understand the use of the adjective “versatile” by baseball types, that might not make him any less “versatile” in their eyes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I totally agree with you on that
He’s coming up on 33, and his up-and-down offense would give me pause to think about putting him at first base. I would think he could really disappoint there, but who knows.
I had a poorly worded comment.
I meant that sportswriters seem to be praising Cuddyer as “versatile” but he can’t defend any position well and he is aging. Perhaps the Rockies buy less into that “versatile” description over the life of the deal. In 2012, sure, they’ll play him all over. But, after that, they’ll move the increasingly bad defender to first base, where his age and lack of range is less of a problem. That, and hitting in Coors, may have the Rockies feeling that Cuddyer is a good bet to live up to his contract. I don’t know that I agree but I could see their thinking being this.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ah, I getcha
I still agree with your plausible scenario, and I think they had better hope that Coor’s helps his hitting hold up as his defense gets untenable in the outfield.
Hey
he is versatile. Just look at that inning he pitched this last season!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
But he still can slide headfirst into home, avoiding a tag, better than anyone.
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Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 16, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Lies!
Todd Helton’s contract NEVER expires!
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Dec 17, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
is Helton a career Rockie?
I cant imagine him playing anywhere else, did they draft him?
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yep-
8th overall in 1995.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Dec 17, 2011 3:46 AM EST up reply actions
Coors would help anyone's hitting though
Can’t give Cuddyer credit for that.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
and a shot...
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Welp, see ya later Beltran
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Yeah, that's the feeling I am getting
I think Beltran might officially be outside our price range now.
Cuddyer actually looks like a pretty good comp for what I would expect out of Craig for his career
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Offensively
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I think Craig might be like +3 or +5 in RF right now, healthy
With a decline to below average when he gets older, obvi
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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That's about right, yeah
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
As long as we never platoon him.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Dec 16, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
why not just sign btran to 3/36 and make him the cf'er
jays starts as 4th of’er
and we see who stumbles first
TLR is gone, long live the king
Because it's dumb to guarantee a 37 year old 12 million 3 years from now
If he can’t be had for a 2-year deal, then just roll with Ross or COCO.
Not afraid to nitpick
Beltran is arguably the player that puts us into the playoffs
Or at least increases are odds the most
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the same thing last year about Berkman when Aubrey Huff signed before him.
“How in the world will we get Berkman, who is vastly better than Aubrey Huff, when Huff just signed a two-year, $22mm deal?”
And then, we went and signed Berk for 1-yr, $8mm.
These things aren’t always rational.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like everybody else on this site viewed the Berkman signing as a huge risk
And that it was essentially market value.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I don't know, I thought the Berkman signing was very low risk...
because he’d either be healthy and hit much better than a RF Jay/Craig platoon, or he’d get hurt and then we’d play Jay/Craig anyway. So the only risk was losing $8MM, but there as very little performance risk (because the baseline performance of Jay/Craig didn’t change) — it was pretty much all upside. (I didn’t see much risk that Berkman would fall off the cliff performance-wise, sans injury, or if he fell off that much, he could be benched and Jay/Craig would play anyway).
To me, it’s the same thing with Beltran (assuming we can get him for a decent price). He’ll either be healthy and outperform Jay, or he’ll get hurt and we’re out the money, but Jay plays anyway. And if he’s healthy, then the chaining benefits (like with Berkman, Rasmus, Craig, and Jay last year) are fantastic, because Jay/Craig will be taking tons of PAs away from Skippy or whoever else would play if Beltran weren’t signed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
The difference being
that Berkman had a down year in 2010, and was looking to re-establish his value. Beltran had a bounce-back year this past season, and I’m thinking is looking to cash in now on what will probably be his last lucrative (read: overpaid) contract. He’s gonna be 35 in April, and his defensive skills are declining. In a couple of years, he’ll likely be either a 1bman or a DH.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I remember you making a very compelling case for the Berkman signing.
I was all like “yeah, that guys says what I wanna. Only all smart and stuff”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Not I!
Beltran’s a completely different player than Cuddyer – he comps a lot better to Berkman (HOF career, old and injury prone).
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
"these things"
Being “general managers,” and “aren’t always” being “almost never”
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 16, 2011 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think so
This just means one more Beltran suitor is off the market.
I don’t see why it necessarily raises his price.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think they got rid of Ty Wiggington so they wouldn't have to pay him
and could afford the most Ty Wiggingtony free agent (who is better than Wigginton).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ed Wade! he's still alive! or his ghost has infected Dan O'Dowd
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Cuddyer is like a rich-man's Ty Wiggington.
Didn’t Colorado learn their lesson? I hate signings like this.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I like them for their effect on other teams' competitiveness
I really dislike them for their effects on the market.
I meant that "I hate them" in that I would never do them wearing my "I'm a GM in an alternate universe" hat.
I am more than pleased for teams competing with the Cards to throw money away.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha
Watch him hit .400 at home and .150 on the road.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
OT: Short Film
Not a lot of people got to see Blinky when it was released to YouTube as a short film and the original video has been made private, but luckily someone re-uploaded it. If you’ve got a spare 12 minutes and love creepy robots, watch this video. It stars Max Records (Where the Wild Things Are)
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 16, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions
You have to watch the short 2-3 times to really understand it
and once you do, it’s even more creepy
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 16, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
@DKnobler of CBS Sports:
On Beltran, @ScottMCBSSports reported this week that Cardinals, Blue Jays and 2 others (plus Rox at that pt) in on Beltran
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The Rockies might call it quits on OFers now
So, by adding Cuddyer to Gonzalez and Fowler (who had a really good 2011), I’d guess they’ll be out on any more big-money outfielders. And if the Jays are shelling out big-time CAD for Darvish, maybe they’ll back off on Beltran as well.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I also think
That winning the Darvish bid will likely put the Bluejays out of the Beltran bidding.
Honestly, I never understood the Jay’s interest anyways. They are a team trying to get younger, and get more cost controlled players. Beltran doesn’t fit that mold at all.
I read something on mlbtr that said the corporate owner of the Jays "ordered" AA to submit a large bid...
makes you wonder how much say these GMs really have over their teams.
Sign Roy O
I like it!
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I think the Jays GM AA
Calls in about most free agents just to know how the market is going in.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
maybe Beltran will want to play for winners!?
that’s us, ya know!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Breaking Sports News
The Anahiem Angels have missed the playoffs the last two years. Team management states that the Rally Monkey was being defeated by too many strike outs. In an effort to reduce K’s in 2012, Angels management is now turning to Rally Money.
Ba Dum. Ching.
Back to you Dan.
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
by Gibby45 on Dec 16, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hello
Is this microphone on?
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
by Gibby45 on Dec 16, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
block quotes make it official
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 16, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
He would make a PERFECT platoon with Schu
Schu bats L and throws R while
Ross bast R and throws L.
You can’t get more perfect than that!
Yeah, I alway thought the bat L throw R was pretty cool.
But never really liked the idea of a left hander batting right handed.
woah he's one of those too?
cool. bizarre. it would be weird to have two of the best of those currently active in the ML in a short time period.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Ludwick
What about Ludwick returning to StL? Cost should not be too bad with him. Does he have anything of value to offer?
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
Seems like Ross is a somewhat younger and more useful version of Ludwick at this point
I know reverse splits aren’t supposed to exist, but Luddy has put up better numbers against righties in his career and probably isn’t that great a hitter at any rate. Ross at least can mash lefties.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONE WITH FINALS
now back to your regularly scheduled program.
SIGN BELTRAN!!!!!
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions
Congrats
Best feeling is walking out of the last final for the semester
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
thanks!
unfortunately i made the incorrect decision of bolting for STL today instead of staying and getting shitfaced with all my friends. oh well.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
...and walking into your first job based off of that degree.
Of course this mostly has to do with the pay but I digress.
#fyeahstlouis
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Another interesting note in that article
it’s been 2000 days since the TB Rays used a starting pitcher older than 30 (Mark Hendrickson, who was 32 in 2006 when he started 13 games for them), and there’s only been one start in that time by a pitcher who was 30 (on May 24, 2007).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 5:52 AM EST up reply actions
That's the only way they can get a HOFer on the Cubs.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 16, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
In what universe is McKay a HOFer?
‘cause it sure ain’t this one.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's kind of like the tallest midget award
but he is in the Canadian HOF
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
No more massages =(
@DKnobler: Longtime La Russa coach Dave McKay part of Sveum staff in Chicago, Cubs announce
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
ahahahahahahah mckay likes losing ahahahahaha
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry, i'm just really loopy right now.
ignore me.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
the spark they were needing to propel themselves to the central title?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I envision something more like
McKay’s shoulder rubs provide the soothing balm that pulls the Cubs back from the brink of total self-destruction. I’m thinking an honorable 5th place finish behind the soon-to-depart Houston Astros.
Got tired of wearing so many rings
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 16, 2011 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Share the load Frodo!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
yeah... but legolas...
that guy!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Taters...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Wow, that might now be my second favorite LOTR music video
My favorite, of course, involves hobbits being taken to Isengard.
Jeff Keppinger ?
he played out here in SF last season . i was surprised they let him go .
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Dec 16, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions
no. we've talked about this.
keppinger isn’t any better than anyone else on the roster.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
my bad, i havent had time to read this in the last year
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Dec 16, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
no it's all good, just alerting you.
my bad if i came off as a dick.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
The one bad thing about Cuddyer not resigning with the Twins
Is that they get two draft picks out of him (and the Rockies don’t lose one due to the modified status). As such, the Cardinals picks for Dotel and Jackson drop down a bit, and they will continue to drop down as more free agents higher rated higher than them sign with new teams.
I haven't heard anything about interest in Jackson. Surprised Yankees haven't already given him an AJ contract.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Berk needs to get off the banquet circuit and back in the gym.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'll ever be rid of his full face.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
still laughing at the hitler responds
“we still have berkman”
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 16, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
that was good
apparently, that same clip has been used for a great many such commentaries. My daughters informed me that I was so out of the loop for never having seen any of them.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
yeah they did one for the iphone
this one i liked more cause I’m a tad more interested in the cards
because TLR
They did one for the Cubs a few years ago, but I cant remember what it was
and I’m not looking it up
#lazymammal
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite has to be the Reds one.
MATT BELISLE!
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Dec 17, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
It's certainly how
I’ll always remember him. The Lou Brock of his generation.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 16, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
very fit!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Of course
If it’s a spring training picture, he must be in the best shape he’s ever been in.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Is that #LazyRasmus in the background?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
hahahaha so typical, just standing there while everyone else does windsprints
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
It looks like he's levitating.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Too lazy to even stand...
#lazyrasmus
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
he would only levitate a few centimeters off the ground...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
he looks creepy in this picture
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Berk looks like Isaac Brock in this picture
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
To paraphrase Theodor Geisel
He bonked. He clonked. He jerked. He berked.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 16, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
(You just did, actually.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Deep, Slightly Random Thoughts
1. I once held Cody Ross’s bat for 2 innings as I tried to get it signed by the Giants for the little girl that it clonked in the knee (I was successful but left with pine tar on my hands).
2. Did you know that, if a major leaguer hits a ball just right, and has the right finish on their barrel, then some of the ink from the various pieces of artwork on a baseball will transfer over to the barrel of the bat? Cody Ross’ bat was covered with transferred ink.
3. I don’t know why the Blue Jays always sign guys with problematic mechanics (they seem to be scouting for bad stuff), but, based on what little I’ve seen of his arm action (Inverted L) I don’t see this deal yielding great value.
Boog would have made that play.
question
why do they call it an ‘inverted W’ when an inverted W is an M? So why not just say M?
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 16, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
If you flipped a W upside down
It wouldn’t exactly line up with and M. It’s a little too spread out.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
O RLY?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Dec 16, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You should be caned to within an inch of your life for posting that monstrosity.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
if you like that, then you will really like this
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Cannot wait to see that for real...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
the best part is how the marlin twirls at the top
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 16, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Is this only for when a Marlin hits a HR?
a la the apple at the Mets ballpark?
Or will it just be going all the time, batters-eye be damned?
I'll be honest, part of me hopes it's the latter.
by avs18fan on Dec 16, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only for homeruns
I think it’s gonna be obnoxious enough just sitting out there.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Hey, I had that game as a kid!
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i will never not rec this
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
exactly! thank you
or maybe that’s just an inverted W and not an M…
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 16, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
it's an inverted W
sign skip, skip nick #illogic SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
i read strauss' article on tlr's comments re pujols
despite my better judgment. there’s nothing particularly juicy or even noteworthy in there.
i fell for it again.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
what does this mean?
Joe Strauss @JoeStrauss 48m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
For those wondering: Cards may be realizing traction w/Beltran.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
What the hell does that mean Joe?
by mick311 on Dec 16, 2011 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it is the stage after kicking the tire
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
follow-up to strauss tweet from last week.
he said there was ‘no traction’ with beltran yet.
he’s saying there is now; aka, progress is being made.
by RedbirdAvenger on Dec 16, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
but "realizing" is an odd verb to use
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
they just now noticed that the tires have grip
maybe next time they’ll make use of the water box.
Grit != flat out sucking.
A primary definition of "realize" is "to make real"
Even though people don’t often use it that way except in certain phrases. Example: “He realized his life-long dream of signing Carlos Beltran to an affordable contract.”
right. i mean, i knew that definition, but i've never heard it used the way strauss is using it here.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I think it means that
now Lozano is returning Mo’s calls in 15 minutes or less.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 16, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone seen the blog "Texts from Bennett?"
Not sure if I should be laughing or appalled.
Wont’t link because it’s definitely NSFW
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 16, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Also, your linking issues.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Not from the iPhone
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 16, 2011 4:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've seen it
it is actually just made up stuff though
sign skip, skip nick #illogic SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I didn't find it funny at all
the transparency that it’s totally fabricated ruins it. Like when people post hilarious “auto-corrects” that are clearly fabrications. Yeah, I’m sure your phone is programmed to auto-correct to all manner of curse words.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Obviously, Cody Ross has a lot less upside
Than Beltran but I would love to see us pick him up. He’s a much safer bet, he can play CF, and we would still be able to make a run at a big name OFer next offseason.
by mick311 on Dec 16, 2011 1:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How do you mean he is a much safer bet?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
To stay healthy...sorry,
Should have been more specific. Just seems like there is less risk involved compared to signing Beltran considering age and money as well.
by mick311 on Dec 16, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I kind of like Beltran's upside
since we have a full slate of starters. If he goes down, Jay-Berk-Craig can start every game.
Sign Roy O
I understand.
He did play in 142 games last year though.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
for fans of electronic music
here is an album crossing many genres from when I was a younger guy. never released on the internet before! http://sitari.bandcamp.com/album/uptown
sign skip, skip nick #illogic SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions
Molly Knight of FESPN has an artical up on Freese
It will appear in the dec 26th issue of ESPN the Mag.
I thought this was interesting:
Sanders, who also played baseball, met Freese and was blown away by his instincts. At a summer-ball game, they faced a pitcher with a filthy slider, and after two at-bats, Sanders had struck out twice, badly fooled. Freese was 2-for-2 with two doubles. “So I asked him: ‘Is this guy tipping his pitches? How are you doing this?’” says Sanders. “And he tells me he’s been listening to the way the catcher’s gear squeaks to figure out if he’s setting up inside or outside.” Sanders followed his lead and in his next at-bat roped a double.
We need to keep some WD40 around the clubhouse for Yadi’s gear.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I liked the part about the impact Lego has had on him
I don’t know if that was common knowledge, but I wasn’t aware of it
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
It's not common knowledge
but it hasn’t been a secret. Lego has proudly taken Freese under his wing and has spoken about it several times.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 16, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Lego has wings?
Did he drink a Red Bull or something?
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
Is it too early for OT yet?
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Romero's contract
JC Romero got 750K guaranteed w incentives from cardinals
I guess that is low enough that if he sucks you just cut him
that sounds okayish
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by tom s. on Dec 16, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was hoping to sign M. Gonzalez as the LHRP
But considering he made 6M in 2011, and likely will make 3M+ in 2012, it sounds like this was a move made to save some money
yeah no problem with this one
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
as long as he's only used against LHB
and doesn’t start walking everybody in front of him, I don’t see how this is a completely terrible scenario.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
How many games is he going to cost sucking before that happens though?
Whatever, I guess. As long as he’s used properly.
Loogys are hard to predict year over year — if ever there were a position where a team should throw crap against the wall until it sticks, it’s the second lefty in the pen. I’d be more upset if I thought there were anyone in the minors that was ready to fill this role. I would have been fine going with one LH pitcher in the pen, but, again, whatever.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Could this move potentially mean Rzepczynski gets a shot at starting?
IF Lohse or Westbrook is traded somehow, maybe Rzep moves into the rotation and Romero becomes the lefty in the pen.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I sure hope not
I agree with Willie McGee’s Twin. Romero is only acceptable because he is the 2nd LOOGY out of the pen. If he becomes your primary lefty, he will be pitching way too much.
I'd guess a LOOGY could be acquired from a pool of "freely available" talent
if push came to shove. Or “crap thrown against the wall in the hopes of sticking”.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I'd say that he's really the only LOOGY.
Scrabble can be used against either RH or LH. I sure wouldn’t just bring him in to pitch only a LHB.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, Rzep will not be considered for the rotation (if ever) until 2013.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
That's the impression I've gotten from management
Whatever rumors have leaked about moving Westbrook or Lohse in 2012 has more to do with the possibility of signing Oswalt than it does moving Lynn of Rzep to the rotation.
MLBTR says A's looking for 3B prospect in exchange for Gonzalez
Cox, Jenkins/Rosenthal for Gonzalez? I’m sure they’d want Miller or Martinez, at which point Mo should hang up. I don’t like trades involving Billy Beane and our high upside young arms though.
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We are not allowed to trade with the A's or the Jay's
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
The last time the Cardinals traded with the Blue Jays we won a World Series.
It is what it is.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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by TBender on Dec 16, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And
We still have an effective lefty reiliever to show for it.
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also, not the last trade made with Toronto.
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last 2 times!! We need to trade with them more often
correlation = causation, right?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I think you're on to something here
We need to pay close attention in June/July to what Toronto wants/needs in trades.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
The Rolen/Glaus trade was after the first WS
So it probably doesn’t count. Maybe that just means we need to trade with the Phillies more.
man I'm retarded
I have no idea what I was thinking
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
um, Rolen was traded after the 07 season
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
The issue is that we still don't have a spot for him, even if you could put together a package for him.
I just don’t see the Cards trading for a starter unless Lohse or Westbrook are traded and I don’t see either of those guys getting traded anytime soon.
Better to let them pitch on their one-year deals and be replaced by Shelby Miller and whoever else next year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
But if we got Gonzalez we could
Attempt to move Westy or put him in the pen. Then next year, instead of having Shelby and whoever round out the rotation, we could have Shelby and Gonzalez. We would take the hit this year by eating Westbrook’s salary, but with no Pujols we can afford that.
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah...
there’s room. We have five starters in 2012 (AW-Garcia-Carp-Lohse-Westy). In 2013 we have four (AW-Garcia-Carp-Miller). Then in 2014 we have three (AW-Garcia-Miller).
I guess Martinez could become a starter, but then AW might leave via FA in 2014. Lynn will be around. If the Cardinals really liked someone like Gio, they could fit him in.
Sign Roy O
What I'm saying is that I don't see any motivation on the team's part
to put together the type of prospect package needed to get Gio and then to turn around and shift Westbrook to the pen.
The FO has already said we’d rather spend money than give up prospects, much less to give up prospects to add a starting pitcher when starting pitching isn’t our biggest need and it would result in an $8mm long-man (Westbrook).
(exorbitant prospect price) + (lack of immediate need for SP) + ($8MM long-man sitting in pen) = not gonna happen.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
You're going to avoid trading for Gonzolez because we have Westbrook?
Dude, he’s a 1 WAR pitcher. Just put him in the pen.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
So what do you guys think Beltran will get
I think 2 years/$27.5 with a 3rd option of some sort for $15 with a $2M buyout
I don't think I'd go that high on a 3rd year unless it was incentive heavy.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
If he uses what Cuddyer got as reference
I can’t see him getting less than 3yr/$35-40M
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cuddyer's two full years younger though, and without the injury concerns.
3yr /$40MM seems way too high, IMO.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
To me also, but so did 10/254.
I expect somebody to over pay him.
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 3:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Berkman got 1/8
If we’re going to use anecdotel evidience.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
With Craig, Freese, and Berkman all being injury liabilities
I’d do 25 in a heartbeat. Even if he can’t hack it in center anymore, though I have an irrational hope that he’d only be -10 in center.
Maybe we could get him for two years with an easy vesting option for a 3rd...
like 500 PAs or some such.
Sign Roy O
option seems high
2/25 with a 12 m option. whatever it is just get it done, he has no other suitors basically.
I speculated above
3/$45 is what he might expect. I don’t think I’d pay that. If he’d agree to 2/$27.5 with a reasonable option/buyout, I might be in favor of that (‘though I’d rather the AAV not be over $12)
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
wasn't traction realized with Pujols
and then he signed with another club?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
DOOOOOOMED
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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Romero signed
$750K with incentives.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
this is actually news to me
i think that’s a pretty solid contract, too!
he was very good against lefties last year. and based on the last 5 years, he looks to be a true talent 3.5-ish FIP
don’t understand the laments!
Caveat: as long as Matheny uses him properly, I think we're all ok with this.
Somebody has to be the (preferably) cheap 2nd lefty, let JC take a shot. If he fails, doesn’t hurt us to cut him.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
By that, do you mean
He’s in good mental health and didn’t just have elbow surgery?
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, i was responding to this:
don’t understand the laments!
i have an irrational fixation on Hong-Chih Kuo and will lament anyone who lowers the chances of him being on the Cardinals next year! (yes, i’m aware this ship has sailed at this point).
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just because there doesn't seem to be room for him now
Doesn’t mean he won’t be in the Cardinals bullpen at some point next year.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
i would be stunned if he does not either leave the game of baseball or sign with someone in the next couple months
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
Ho hum.
I no longer care about Bonds, and in fact, rather like this sentence. It shows that he has basically been reduced to irrelevance — which is just fine by me.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 17, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Bobblehead Bonds needs to just go away now....
:=8/
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And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
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OT: Probability Help Fantasy Football
I am trying to figure out the probabilities of team A beating team B given the amount points scored during the season to get a rough estimate of the probability of each team beating the other in our fantasy football playoffs.
Assuming team A scores an average of 85.1 points with a standard dev of 12 and team B scores an average of 90 points with a standard deviation of 15 and both distributions are normal and independent of each other, what is the probability that team A beats team B?
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Warning: I'm about to get seriously mathy up in here.
(Team A’s score – team B’s score) is a normally distributed random variable.
The mean of A-B is -4.9, because that’s 85.1-90.
The standard deviation of A-B is sqrt(12^2 + 15^2) = about 19
So, in terms of probabilities, this variable only has to fall .26 standard deviations above the mean for A to win. So (just from consulting a Z-table) team A has about a 40% chance of pulling the “upset”.
Thanks!
This is what I thought but it has been a while. Thanks for your help.
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back of napkin calculations
a-bar minus b-bar=-4.9
sd(a-bar minus b-bar)=19.2
4.9/19.2=z=.255
z table gives you ~.4
i’m slow and its already been posted. i feel better though since phizzle got the same thing as me.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 16, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
You should not use z but t
I am assuming that the standard deviation of the population is not known, so you need to estimate it using the sample. With large sample sizes it’s not going to matter, but still …
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with all the money that coming off the books
Who do we go after next offseason? We should have 4 spots in the rotation already filled. Along with a 3B, SS, 2B, LF, RF/1B already under contract. Bullpen is basically set. Molina should get extended. Jay could be slotted in CF. I like to spend money, but this team doesn’t have many holes and costs less than $70M. Who do we go after next winter?
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 3:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The SP market actually looks pretty good next offseason
I’d like to see us go after Matt Cain, but I can’t really back that up with any other information.
Maybe we could trade Chris Duncan for him
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
We should trade Matt Adams.
I heard from this guy that the Giants will be looking for a left-handed first baseman. (No, I have never heard of Brandon Belt and I don’t see how that is relevant).
by mattybobo on Dec 16, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is he lazy?
We could always take him off their hands as a throw-in with the Cain deal. Obviously we’re being more than fair.
Is it that set?
Let’s see:
LF – Holliday, check
CF – Jay(?)
RF – Craig, check
3B – one of Freese, Cox, MCarp, check
SS – Furcal, check (unless he falls apart)
2B – are you counting on Wong?, maybe
1B – ??, (unless one of Craig/Freese moves over)
C – ?, I’m not sure Molina won’t decide to follow his buddy out west
SP – Waino, Carp, Garcia, Miller, ?
RP – should be fine or easily filled
So we will have question marks (of one level or another) at one rotation spot, 2B, 1B/RF/3B, and, possibly, C and CF. Eh, that’s not too bad. How well Freese & Craig do this year could make a big difference in the “holes” needed to fill by FA.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Would love to see Matt Adams slide into that 1B slot
Assuming he continues to produce at AAA this year.
Very few holes, considering the cash we will have opening up.
2b- I don’t see us signing someone, because anyone worth signing in next years FA class will be looking for a multi-year deal. If Wong isn’t ready, I think we’ll go with Descalso/Greene until he is.
1B- Between Craig/Adams and a possible Berk extension I think we have it covered. No one on the FA list looks worth signing.
CF/RF- one of them could be filled by Craig, if Adams or Berkman is on the team. There are quite a few OF on the market next year that I’d be interested in.
SP- with one spot open and 4 or 5 FAs that interest me, I could see us signing one of them.
C- if Molina leaves I will be very depressed. I love him.
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Regarding Molina
I would like to think we would have the money to retain him, but of all our close-to-being-FAs (basically him and Wainwright), I think he’s highest on the list of “might possibly leave.”
We shouldn't rule out re-signing Berkman
He wants to go on one-year deals and if he has another decent season there’s no reason to expect he won’t sign again for 1 year in the $8-12 million range.
There’s likely no way of knowing how solid Adams will be unless he tears up AAA so hard this year that he comes up and plays half the season replacing an injured Berkman, so it’d be better to have Berkman around again with Adams figuring to get some PAs here and there.
There are a lot of good SP available next year, but in terms of position players most of the good ones have options, like Cano, Kinsler, and Stephen Drwe.
Brandon Phillips will be available unless they finish working out an extension. He could be an infield option, though he’ll be 32 or 33.
Erick Aybar could be interesting at SS but we’ll have Furcal still, so that sounds unlikely.
There are a number of decent CF, like Michael Bourn, BJ Upton, and Shane Victorino. It’s possible one of them would be an option.
The elite players are mostly SP. With Carpenter’s career not likely to last much longer, it’s possible we’d be in on one, but with Miller and Martinez set to join the rotation over the next few years I’m not sure how likely that is. It’d certainly be fun to sign Greinke or Hamels, though…
I agree about Berkman and Adams
But we should definitely sign Aybar. He could be long term SS. Move Furcal 2B until Wong is ready.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Grienke is a spoiled brat
a headcase and a cock
no way to him. We all saw how he played when it mattered.
and he ran his mouth. Hes got head problems
id take Hamels over him anyday
plus he is a lefty
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2011 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, Hamels to STL
A reverse Steve Carlton
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 17, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
This is homerish nonsense.
Greinke is an excellent pitcher and would be comparable to a healthy Wainwright.
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Looks like Lincecum's looking for an 8-year contract
we can do that, can’t we?
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by peppermartin on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yessss!!!
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Family Gift Exchange Question
So I got married this year, and I’m in my wife’s cousin gift exchange extravaganza for the first time. I got a guy I’ve never met (my wife doesn’t know him very well either), but we do know he is a serious cardinals fan. I figure a 2011 World Series related thing would be great. I am allowed to go up to $25. What would you all suggest?
not world series related
but the hat
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Dec 16, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or the championship DVD
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2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
i don't know, i haven't seen it
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2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Is good.
Spoiler: St. Louis wins.
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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Dec 16, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It's not unbelievable
But a nice summary of all the big moments.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
the one hour special of the 2011 WS film was incredible
I would highly recommend the DVD.
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I bought the BluRay and it was great (1st bluray move for my new bluray player)
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite part is in the Extras
All the different broadcast calls of the Freese HR.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah didn't they have the hispanic guy that sounded like he was calling a soccer game?
I think it was that guy that calls GOOOOOOOOOOOAL for soccar games
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
They did have a Spanish call
But he didn’t do the “NONONONONO” like the ESPN Deportes guy they cut to once during every Home Run Derby.
I was intrigued that there was British call.
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by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
That was the best in my opinion
Glad you replied because I was going to say that earlier and then I forgot to go looking for this subthread. It was like the dude was having an epiphany.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Get him one of these
I have the red one, gonna get the navy blue one after Xmas.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Do what our family does
Each person has to supply a list of things he’d like.
The 2011 World Series Film on Blu-Ray (assuming he has a blu-ray player)
if not, then get it on DVD
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 16, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
You can get 2 solid grams for that
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i need to move to cali
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 17, 2011 3:44 AM EST up reply actions
oregon's even cheaper
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 3:57 AM EST up reply actions
Just saw Pujols at the Chesterfield Valley Best Buy...
Spent about 15 minutes taking stink eyes (mostly from me) while buying a printer, then spent another ten working on getting a warranty… told the cashier the warranty wasn’t about the money, but the security, knowing it’s there for him if he needs it.
by bigmcq16 on Dec 16, 2011 4:03 PM EST reply actions 17 recs
needs more cutoffs
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 16, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think we all want to know
did you really see pujols at Best Buy. Obviously the last part is fictitious, but I’m curious if Albert would be silly enough to walk into a place like Best Buy in the Valley
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 16, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
all up to the (second) ellipses is true
he was wearing blue jeans, a black jacket, and a black cap that simply said “John 3:16” across the back. also driving a huge F 150 platinum with extremely tinted windows
Should have asked for his autograph
if he said no, say “I might not be here in 20 years when you’re legally allowed to work in Saint Louis baseball again”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 16, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
why does he need a printer?
is the Angels deal not sufficient enough that he has to print money too?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
sign skip, skip nick #illogic SIGN CARLOS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
That's good enough for the wild card!
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by peppermartin on Dec 16, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Fun to look through
He has Luiz Perez as a 1.5 win player at catcher.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Brewers at 92?
did they take into account, you know, the Brewers roster?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Eh, I found it
It was a couple days ago but it must have been late in the day. I always look forward to the Cairo projections. I feel like I check for the Cardinals’ ZiPS five time a day recently (we’re next in the queue).
Once we have Zips
We will have ZIPS, Cairo, and Bill James projections for the Cardinals. Than it is time to break out the spreadsheets
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
but what we have is better then nothing
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see what you did there
rec whore. (rec’d)
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Phillies at 92 also
Cool that it thinks we’re so close to the top of the NL. A difference of 2 wins can’t be all that significant, can it?
Does this take into account the likely Braun suspension?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
uh that seems wildly optomistic for the Brewres
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
what is it?
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I've fallen in like with Joe Sheehan
at very first glance I saw this butter-ball couch potato and wondered why I should listen to a word he says. But despite his somewhat squeaky voice, he quickly won me over.
He’s now the first guy I would ask if I wanted to know something; a wonker’s wonk
WHY HAVEN'T WE SIGNED CARLOS BELTRAN YET
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-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 5:41 PM EST reply actions
because you touch yourself at night
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
somebody has to do it.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
le freaking sigh.
get in the christmas holiday spirit, nimrods.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
he's not signing because you "burn the yule log" at night
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 16, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
uhhhhh huh.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hanging the old Christmas stocking?
Climbing the chimney?
Mounting the Christmas tree?
Dressing the goose?
Can't forget
Cuddle your candy cane
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 16, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
flogging Donner
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 16, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Merry Christmas, fang!
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
aw, thanks! you too, threadkiller!
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
i prefer sam.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
they named a whole summer after him.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
he doesn't care.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
azru said so
you’re next on the ban list
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
eh. it was a good run then...
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
YEAH.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
another illegitimate child of rui's mom...
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is obviously just me, but..............I still have no idea how this got started and how something so completely wrong can just keep rolling on like it does w/o anyone else seeming to be offended about it, but I find it disturbing every time I see it
I know Rui doesn’t rile against it … but still I think this is wrong and should have just died out after the first thread it came up in.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
what an odd time to make a comment about it.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
i think it has continued because until this moment, i had rarely (never?) heard a remotely negative comment about it
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
VEB isn't the best at understanding when a joke has played itself out
if you don’t believe me, you can ask chris carpenter his opinion, etc.
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
in bed
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
CCDNGAFAPJNGAFWCCGAF
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
aren't mom jokes usually
a guy thing anyway, especially when a good comeback is lost..you just say yeah well your mom?
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 16, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
yes?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
because he's considering the Blue Jays
I here he likes to lose, artificial grass and Canada
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 16, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
that's what i'm saying
what are we waiting for
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
also, kuo fell off a freaking cliff last year
romero is probably safer
(can’t be bothered to find the conversation. just now thought if it)
Kuo shouldn't even get a major league deal after last season.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Grizzlies?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be fine with him playing for Memphis.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I've never been to a Grizzlies game, but think I will next summer. Heard it's a fun time and prices are very affordable
I used to really enjoy going to see the Missions when I lived in San Antonio, which felt like a little baseball Oasis down there. Once took my son to a game, he was about 10 probably, and we saw the home team hit a HR and in same game a bench clearing brawl which resulted in about 10+ ejections. Some opposing team players actually tried to climb into the stands!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
if you go, make sure you get a Krispy Kreme burger.
Haven’t had one, but I’ve seen it on the food channel
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
actually friends have gone, had one of those, and said it was really great
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't sound like it should be though, what did FC rate it? Was it a ballparks best list or something?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 16, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't remember.
I think it was like best places to pig out or something.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Romero is a safer bet to be replacement level
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Quo's "falling of a cliff season" last year was slightly worse than the average Romero season
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
But how many zombie movies did Kuo produce, huh?
Or is that a different Romero?
Makin' toast!
DING
Butterin' toast!
Is there anything more convenient/depressing than being alone over the holidays?
Have someone to shop for this year, and have no idea what to get her.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 16, 2011 6:13 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
get her a bowling ball with your name on it.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I try to avoid getting a GF till after the holidays and preferably after Valentines day
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
What about that 16 year old?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
you came to the right place
veb is the expert in gift ideas
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
My friend said I should get her a scarf wrapped around a rose or some other sort of flower.
Thoughts? We haven’t really been going out for too long, so I’m not gonna spend too much. Like, I’d say $40 is my limit.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 16, 2011 6:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
how long have you been dating?
i wouldn’t recommend a scarf.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Or if she's like Alex Forrest
a scarf might come in handy.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
The gift that keeps on giving
I immediately started searching for this link when I saw this thread, but you beat me to it. Kudos.
damn Ian Kinsler is ridiculously good.
I wish we could have him at 2nd base. He had a BABIP last year and was still able to hit .255/.355/.477 and put up 7.7fWAR.
by mick311 on Dec 16, 2011 6:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
His career BABIP is .282
So it probably does stand to raise some, sure, but in both seasons where he hit 30+ home runs, his BABIPs were under .250, partially because some of his balls that would drop for hits were going out instead.
Sure it stands to rise but I wouldn’t read too much about bad luck into his offensive numbers from last season.
It’s quite possible he puts it together and posts an 11-12% HR/FB rate with a .280 BABIP while staying healthy for a full season and keeping his depressed K rate, but I wouldn’t count on it. More likely he posts around a .360 wOBA like he usually does.
Anyway I’m not even sure why I’m writing this, because Kinsler is awesome and one of my favorite players, so I’m not really sure what I’m even arguing.
This post was awesome
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 16, 2011 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And on top of that, he's one of the Chosen.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Why we don't have Ian Kinsler:
Kinsler was taken in the 17th round of the 2003 draft. The following is the list of players we chose rather than Kinsler:
Daric Barton
Stu Pomeranz
Dennis Dove
Mark Michael
Brandon Yarbrough
Matt Weagle
Brendan Ryan
Matt Pagnozzi
Justin Garza
Buddy Blair
Nate Kopsyzywa
Calvin Beamon
Kainoa Obrey
Ian Kennedy (Did not sign)
Anthony Reyes
Omar Pena
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you do this? WHY
Do this for every draft year, and then become depressed about how awesome we could have been.
Imagine if it was like Back to the Future and you had a list of players drafted and you could become the scouting director for the Cardinals. How amazing could we be?
yeah but if you go to
Paul Coleman then we go to Big hurt, and then it’s not a lock in they got big mac or had 11 years of Pujols…maybe they do maybe they dont
because TLR
BARF
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
it took forever for that one to die out
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 16, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
...
Joe Strauss @JoeStrauss
Fact: No US professional athlete has left as much on table in terms of present day value than if Pujols had taken Cards’ bid over Halos’.
anyone remember what cliff lee left on the table to go to philly instead of nyy?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
in terms of NPV, not actually that much, especially as Cliff Lee's deal with the Phillies was a higher AAV
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
someone give me a discount rate or i'm going to use 5% (fuck you, Bobby Bonilla)
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
ok, Cliff Lee is being paid 120 million by the Phillies over 5 years. it has a somewhat weird structure.
it could be worth 135, with a 6th year, but there is a huge 12.5 million buyout of that year. i’m going to assume the option is not picked up.
not really sure what the real official Yankees offer was. i see 6 years, 140 million, and then i see a 7th year tacked on, “at a lower rate”. i’m going to assume 7 years, 160 million, and because i don’t have any better information, i’m going to assume it’s 23.3 a year except the last year which is 20.
so i actually disagree with my earlier statement- netted out at 5% with all of my assumptions holding true, Clifff Lee left 34 million on the table in present value. that’s a LOT. assuming the Cardinals offered 220/10, and that the structure is exactly the AAV every year, Albert only would have left 27 million on the table to sign with the Cardinals.
of course, this post is useless, because when Strauss says present value, i’m sure he just means the actual nominal value of the contract.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
right. but i just remember that cliff lee gave up a lot of money.
thanks for doing the math/research on that. its actually pretty impressive that he did that.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
yeah
my memory of it was it being a much smaller gap. now, if we get rid of that last speculative 20 million dollar year, the gap is a lot smaller, but still, as a 32 year old when he signed the deal, Lee must know/expect that he’s not going to get really, really paid again- so i am impressed.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
Didn't the Cards offer to AP involve a lot of deferred $$. Or did you factor that in ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 16, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
i did not/was not able to find any specifics, so i did not factor that in, no.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
I make it Pujols would have left 39.5M
if the $3M/yr deferral would have been paid as a lump sum in the 11th year .. a couple/four million more if paid in instalments.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
So all those $44mil estimates were roughly correct ?
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 9:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sorry ... PLUS $7.7M NPV for the 10-year personal services contract
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
Sorry again ... should be $4.7M for the PSC
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
I thought the Cards' offer was 210/10 with 30 of that deferred
I don’t ever recall seeing the Cards’ offer at 220.
i mean, i believe strauss' tweet is true
but i was just thinking that other than cliff lee, i can’t remember any athlete EVER leaving “money on the table.”
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
even if they want to, the freaking union won't hardly let 'em.
that and backlash from other players.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Random fact I learned yesterday:
Jim Palmer never gave up a grand slam or back to back home runs in his entire HOF career.
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions
joe dimaggio never hit a grand slam.
/everyone knows that
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
that's because i lied (unintentionally).
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
kurkjian goes on about some hof'er that never hit one.
now i have to figure out who it was.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
don mattingly hit 6 in one season,
and none outside of that one season.
/still looking
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
i must have been mistaken.
but you should read this. it’s by kurkjian and all about grand slams. lots of “i didn’t know thats”.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Remember Fernando Tatis ?
Two grand slams in one inning. Off the same pitcher.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 16, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Poor Chan Ho Park.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
even if i didn't remember it, the column i linked would have reminded me:
How about this? For the first 98 years of the National League, only one player hit two grand slams in one game, and he was a pitcher: Atlanta’s Tony Cloninger on July 3, 1966. The next NL player to do it was the Cardinals’ Fernando Tatis, and he hit his two grand slams in the same inning off the same pitcher, Chan Ho Park, in 1999.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
TK
I remembered Tatis without the link, but I appreciated your link and reading the Kurkjian piece. Thanks.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 16, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, didn't mean to come off douchey.
it just happens naturally. and you are more than welcome.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
ok, grand slams, perfect games, etc. are one of the many reasons baseball is the best by far.
check this out. i had forgotten already.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Jason Bay
Wow. Couldn’t handle the scrutiny after signing a big contract ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 16, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ozzie Smith 9396 at bats -- no grand slams
Most AB with no GS in MLB history
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 16, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
that wasn't the player i was thinking did it,
but i’m a moran. but your point meets the criteria, and i wasn’t aware. though i would have maybe guessed he never hit a grand slam since he hit like 15 hr’s in his career (exaggeration, but not by much.).
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
28 career hr's.
and he was my boyhood hero by a WIDE margin. i love this game.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
28 career homers in the regular season
Ummmm. Did he hit any in the postseason ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 17, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
why, i, um,
don’t know what it is you’re referring to.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 17, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A rec for you
good sir
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 17, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Me neither.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
jaime is a value.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Surprising that TLR is going to be there
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!
Ray Lankford – $5
Sign Cody Ross
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 16, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Bernard Gilkey?
Priceless.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Clark - $5
(And a ham sandwich.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Already have Gilkey and Lankford
On MWL Springfield Cards cards…
Woo 1988!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Cox for Free
I’ll just leave that here
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 16, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Moe (puts hand over phone receiver):
Hey, does anyone want COX for FREE?
Listen, you little scum-sucking pus-bucket! When I get my hands on you, I’m gonna put out your eyeballs with a corkscrew!
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lynn $15
Lohse $5
ouch!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Jake Westbrook won game six of the world series
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i thought david freese did that.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
if you can't make it to the warmup
signing tomorrow in clayton
freese, tlr, motte, craigen, fooky, berk, lynn, dd, skipperdoodle and chief
higher prices though
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Teammates with 5+ WAR seasons, 2000-05
http://www.sporcle.com/games/piano_guitar/teammates-with-5-war-seasons-2000-2005
some interesting combos there…also, 2003 Cardinals makes me sad
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 8:00 PM EST reply actions
Corey Patterson is on that list.
That is all.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Dec 17, 2011 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone here probably already follows the Szyzzle, but this is good stuff
Dan Szymborski @DSzymborski
ZiPS really can’t figure out what the Cards see in Pete Kozma.
Or Skip Schumaker, though I expect most of the vivaelbirdos guys probably share that malady.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 8:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
WHO ARE YOU CALLING A GUY
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Ted Drewes he is not.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you and rui need to settle down.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
but rui's already married
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
ha
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Bah, ZIPS doesnt account for DAR! I’m gonna come up with my own projection system: with blackjack and hookers! Actually forget the projections!
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 8:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
I think the better question is
do the Cards see anything in ole Pete?
I dont think they do
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2011 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you Dan
@DSzymborski For the zero people wondering, I’m putting Stavinoha’s projection with Astros (they released him so he could goto Japan)
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
even nick stavinoha doesn't care
How nick stavinoha hits next year
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 8:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
finally figured out
How this goddamn SBN app works .
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 8:52 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
what phone is it for?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
A StarTac
via iPhone app
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'm using it my sexy first gen
iPod touch. Which is barely still functional.
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 8:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
nice
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Signs it's a slow night...
Sam Houston State is trending on Twitter (US).
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Gah...and worldwide.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
welcome to friday nights during spring semester...
obviously it’s still break and the next few friday nights will bring bowl games but the vast majority of friday nights in january and february blow sports wise.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
January and February suck as a whole
not just sports wise
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
at least the january weekends have the NFL playoffs.
but yeah. though i still contend february is the more depressing month overall. screw valentine’s day.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
pitchers and catchers!
but yeah, Feb is the worst. And I generally dont even pay attention to spring training
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
this meme
Sucks
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 9:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 6 recs
nope, chuck testa
side note: was this actually ever a meme?
by hr on Dec 16, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I was referring to the skyrim part more than the cdgaf part
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 9:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
and, by "was this actually ever a meme", I was referring to chuck testa
you know what, forget this haha
by hr on Dec 16, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I found being asked by every guard if someone stole my sweetroll was way more annoying. I JUST SAVED YOU FROM DRAGONS AND ENDED A CIVIL WAR~!
by D.Szymborski on Dec 16, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
the ccdgafaaoonwadntmbjarm is weak, too.
/says the part time veb’er
//rail away
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
good because cdgaf is probably my favorite meme of all time
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
turning into brian wilson
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Your daily December Christmas song:
OK, so you hated yesterday’s installment. So how about this?
The Raveonettes – Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)
or this?
Weezer – The Christmas Song
and this one too.
Bright Eyes – White Christmas
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 9:18 PM EST reply actions
Awesome.
I didn’t know the Raveonettes had Christmas music.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
ZiPS likes Jon Jay, a lot.
interesting.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 16, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, give me a solid over on matt holliday.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
i would hope so
he’s projected for a pretty good year, though, just low on some of the counting stats.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
i think his slugging is very much underprojected.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i guess you're right
that’s a little weird, honestly. must be an aging curve thing.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
I'll take the over
On 139 Games.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 16, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
yeah- but the games are all pretty meaningless (not the word i'm looking for, but whatever) in ZiPS IMO.
interesting to look at, i guess, but i never put much weight behind them. i find the rate stats much more interesting.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
I'd certainly hope so
But id be happy with that level of Berk though
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 9:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
really would have liked a projection for Kolten Wong.
who knows if Wong would be better than Cox??
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
i was thinking the same thing.
another solid over projection: david freese, BABIP and all
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
and furcal's OBP
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
now that i think is spot on
let’s hope he plays more than 99 games though
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
i would be pretty much ok with a 100 OPS+ from Freese in 2012, tbh.
but i’m an eternal Freese denier.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
seems like it is not rating Craig very highly
wat
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
wowza
.233 BA for T. Greene
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Still leads the team in steals.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
/notverydifficult
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
taking account for missed time?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
as they should.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
I think westy will be better, slightly. But I fully expect both of them to pitch more than 123 innings .
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 9:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i would agree.
also, go to bed.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
But dashing
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I can see Westbrook
but why Lohse?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
He's had a 4.10 FIP the past three years and he's 33
4.55 ERA isn’t that conservative.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
can you elaborate?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
ZIPS is going to weigh his statistics over the past 3 years
And then apply some aging. Lohse has been around a 4.10 FIP the past 3 seasons and is well past his prime, so him aging an extra .045 runs isn’t that far-fetched.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle Lohse
yeah, I guess he probably lucked out this year… but 3.67 FIP ain’t exactly bad
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
2009 and 2010 FIPs for Lohse are skewed because of injury.
Accounting for injuries in projections is shoddy at best.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
and this
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
it's cute how he thinks he's talking to someone that would acknowledge a good point
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
that's a cute comment
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
you are cute
will you go on a date with me.
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think his median projection is for next year?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
What I would project or some median projection based on his numbers without accounting for injury?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
What ERA do you think he's most likely to have next year
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
6.02 baby...
the Full Marquis in 2012.
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Dec 16, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wow.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
we just need him to hover around 4 FIP anyway and be an innings eater
hopefully he is healthy next year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be pleased with that line from Wainwright.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
and I'd definitely take
200+ ip from Carp
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 9:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
cleto being projected as a sp
Is exciting but the (roughly) 5 BB/9 is not.
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2011 9:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Freddie Bynum?
Why do you hurt me like this, Dan?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
My first impression: Holliday looks low to me, Berkman maybe a teeny tiny bit low. My heart says Craig looks really low, but my brain says probably not that much. Molina looks spot on to me, Jay probably too. Same heart/brain problem with Freese as I have with Craig. I would hope for a bit more from Furcal but I’d take his ZiPS if he can put together average-ish defense.
yeah..
something tells me Freese will hit more than 9 homeruns next year… same with Craig and 16… btw… where’s Beltran on that list?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
But the organization of the year does!!
GOMO!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Berkman is low. 2010 was mainly lost to a knee injury, but the projection doesn't care why his numbers were low, it just incorporates them at face value.
I think Holliday’s numbers, like BA, are low as well.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Szym what's your league average OBP?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I used .320
That’s what it was on July 28th, 2011
http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2011/07/average-averages.html
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah i assume it's around that
but it would be nice to know exactly what szym used.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
thanks
and do you include sf and hbp projections? or can I measure PA by looking at AB + walks?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Can you tell me what you meant
here?
They’re near the point at which they have to throw in the towel on Westbrook, past the point at which they have to throw in the towel on Westbrook
I assume one of these was supposed to be Lohse?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming great D
That’s not a horrible line for Jackson.
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I'm calculating correctly
That’s -19 runs….he would need to be at least a +10 fielder, right?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
to be average, yes
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, if he meets projections
Assuming +10 defense, and average baserunning, he’s pretty much league average (1.2 WAR)
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, that's below league average
He needs to be +15 on D
Unless I have my positional and replacement numbers wrong
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you do
Positional adjustment is +7.5 per 600 PA
Replacement level is +20 per 600 PA.
So if he’s 19 runs below average with the bat, +10 with the glove makes him around 1.8 WAR.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I was calculating with <162 games played at SS
And <600 PA
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
do 27.5 times games as a % of 162
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Fernando Salas Comp 1- Trevor Hoffman
Ryan Franklin comp 1- Boom-Boom Beck
Lol
by rumors on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I feel like these are underselling our offense
Only 4 hitters above league average?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 16, 2011 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
5
These are projections, they have to account for a lot of risk.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Right
I looked at them closer and they aren’t as bad as I first thought
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 16, 2011 11:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Though ZIPS likes Matt Adams more than I figured it would
And Shelby miller is almost league average
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 16, 2011 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps I'm not up on the projecting lately,
But these look pretty mediocre. The playing time projections might as well be Marcel.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
by hazel on Dec 17, 2011 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think we should ever use a projection systems playing time estimates
We can do better.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
It was annoying that they never fixed that on PS3. Luckily, I played Oblivion on the PC or I’d have been mad (it doesn’t make much sense to ever play an Elder Scrolls game on a console, simply because of the ridiculous amount of community content there always is)
by D.Szymborski on Dec 16, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wait....he didn't use the signal...
/confused
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
The nutcracker ballet was shorter than I realized
Barely got a nap in on opening night. Did get to see some little kids fall over each other. To their credit they kept going
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 16, 2011 9:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I always told my actors
It doesn’t matter what you do as long as you make it look like you did it on purpose.
The Mang did more than Milton could
To make the GOBs look good
Then, lest the feat should lose its lustre
They moved him to another roster
by alberich on Dec 16, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Amen.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Good advice for most everyone, really.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
As did Berk
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
im assuming comeback player?
I just turned it on
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 16, 2011 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
@Cardinals: Congrats to David Freese on winning GIBBY for Postseason Moment and Postseason MVP!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Woh
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Mo looks so bummed out in that shot
maybe he knew of the shitstorm to come?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 16, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever anyone says about Skip; we'll always have this:
by EddieHarsch on Dec 16, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hmm. Think I'll just go ahead and put that game on.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Can't believe they only got one run out of that.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I LOVE SKIP SCHUMAKER
yeah i said it
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 16, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
My thought too after watching it.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 16, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
and this is why managers love him
if he had power he would be a great player. Pitchers won’t walk him (like Halladay didn’t there) because he really can’t hurt them.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Ssory Doc
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
We kicked the tires...
traction was realized… now the sides are feeling each other up. Hopefully they will put the pedal to the metal and consummate this union some time tonight.
Sign Roy O
well, um, put.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
It's like if Meatloaf was a baseball commentator.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 16, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
everything i do
i do it for you.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 16, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
bryan adams.
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 17, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
OK We got a real pressure cooker going here.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
You have to take it slow with a stud like Beltran..
otherwise the dance could blow up prematurely.
Sign Roy O
stop right there?
he needs to know right now?
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 16, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Before we go any further
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 16, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm watching my WS DVDs for the first time since I received them.
I don’t know if I can watch Albert play in a Cardinal uniform without feeling angry.
I know that is irrational, but I can’t help it.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
hoping I get that for xmas
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Heh.
Watching the WS DVD. Currently in Game 3. Holliday just gunned down Napoli.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
alright jerks
based on these comments, I started watching the games. Albert Pujols just hit his third homerun of the game. I am sad all over again.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
that first homerun is one of the most absurd things I've seen in baseball
destroyed beyond belief
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
FUCK.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I've now reopened the magic thread.
Good times.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
meh. what did he do the rest of the series?
the cardinals are more than 1 money hungry player.
/not really the way i feel about albert
//his wife should really sthu
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 17, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
This is how I felt about Kurt warners wife
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 17, 2011 1:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, IM pretty sure im getting these for xmas
im not sure what to do about game 3
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2011 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Can wOBA be calculated directly to RAR
And if so, how
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't think so. But wait for someone more smarter to confim.
No need to thank me.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Yes. I think its wOBA minus league average times 1.15 times PAs.
Don’t quote me on that tho.
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by hazel on Dec 17, 2011 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thus, Craig .360 wOBA - .320 avg = .04 * 1.15 * 600= 27.6 RAA in 2012
You can ad in replacement at 20 for RAR.
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by hazel on Dec 17, 2011 12:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea I found it
You were spot on
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So
Whats position and replacement for SS
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
1350 innings at SS
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know you like how I just happen to have memorized the conversion of wOBA to RAA.
I KNOW YOU DO.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I was pretty impressed
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2011 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mystery Team Alert:
Mystery Team has won the negotiating rights to Norichika Aoki. Finally Mystery Team won something. After losing out on Pujols, Buerhle, Wilson and all other top FA.
by rumors on Dec 17, 2011 12:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
go mystery team!
"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"
by threadkiller on Dec 17, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
So, Beltran news + more mystery team action up on MLBTR...
Jays, Cards.+ 2 mystery teams in on Beltran. Has an offer of 10m per year….
If thats his best offer so far, I may not mind going 3 years…i thought it may take something like 2/28m to get him signed anyway. Anyone else like 3/30m?
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2011 12:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd do 3/30
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, 3/30 sounds fine
who cares if he sucks that third year, we can still trade him and eat some of the cost if need be.
Although I gotta think he’s gonna get more than 10/yr.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Absolutely love
3/30
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 17, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
With Berkman gone after 2012, Beltran becomes our full-time, part time due to injuries, RF when Craig shifts to the infield.
Taveras can take over after 2014. This is all assuming 0 production from Matt Adams, which is what I assume because he seems like the exact sort of one year prospect that you see all the time.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I think I would almost rather go
2/26M than 3/30M. I just feel like if we can get him on a 2 year deal, that’s what we should do. I would throw in an option year if its needed to get the deal done. If he demands a 3rd year guaranteed I would walk away and sign Ross.
by rumors on Dec 17, 2011 1:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The difference between 3/30 and 2/26 is 1 year 4 million
You don’t think Beltran would be worth at least 4 million the third year of the deal? That’s slightly better than Skip Schumaker was last year.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not if he spends more time on the DL
Than on the field during the first 2 years.
Best case scenario in my mind 2yr/24M w/ an option for a 3rd year at 10M and a 3M buyout.
by rumors on Dec 17, 2011 1:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
2/27 rather than 3/30? Seems kind of pointless.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Cuddyer
got three years/31.5M. Beltran may be older, but it’s hard to see Beltran getting less.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 17, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
why, he's a siginficant injury risk
besides, i don’t see any reason why cuddyer raises beltrans value.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Banged up in 2 of the last 3 years
Beltran achieved a total of 10.5 bWAR. Completely healthy, Cuddyer achieved 5.2
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 17, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
I think I'd go 2/29.5 instead of 3/30 for Beltran
REALLY don’t want that third year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 17, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what
They’re spending 30 either way, even if its spread out. Might as well get that third year so we can do whatever with him, release him even
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 17, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
i suspect sarcasm
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
me too
but I didn’t really read it that way
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 17, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I suspect that WMT might be joshing us.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Game 5, NLDS, bottom of 9th inning
and Ryan Howard is up.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 1:17 AM EST reply actions
Punto running the ball all the way to first...
made it the worst call ever, both tv and radio
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 17, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Jon Hamm did the movie.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
I felt really bad for Howard
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's still tough to watch.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
wow
one of my FB friends just posted a pic where somebody(presuming kids, but you never know) had picked up a dead deer and put it on one of the city square benches in town last nite. There’s one that we never thought of doing.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2011 2:26 AM EST reply actions
Doesn't a dead deer weigh 400+ lbs?
If you can get it sitting up on that bench with a cigarette in its mouth it is pretty funny, but the commotion would surely get you noticed.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
A "big" whitetail in Tennessee dresses at 150.
You may be thinking elk.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 17, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
What's up late night VEB?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I think Blizzard Cup is on or something.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Well, if you happened to be up at 4AM, and you like watching Starcraft, holy hell, the Blizzard Cup final was the best match ever.
A bit disappointed DRG didn’t complete the comeback, but you can’t have everything.
Was happy to see MC do well,
and I like that MMA won after beating MVP. Sucks that no foreigners could make a splash.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Stephano did pretty well
Stephano won 2 games in his group, he nearly made it out. That’s a lot better than many were expecting.
…. and NaNiwa certainly made a splash with the probe rush against NesTea, just not the kind we’d like :p
All of NaNiwa’s games were extremely close, too. He was really a bit unlucky.
I've surrender to full depravity over the past couple of days
You don’t wanna know what I did last night.
Hows your job going?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously it was baconsturbation.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Good?
We had our holiday party today. Technically it went from 2:30-5:00 but we all went out afterwards
I was home and in bed drunk by 10:00. And I woke up like 5 minutes ago still sort-of drunk =(
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
oh yeah I forgot it's almost Christmas
I can never get a good night’s sleep if I fall asleep drunk, I always wake up a couple of hours later.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
WHY WON'T THE CARDINALS ZIPS WORK FOR ME
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Can we talk about these ZIPS projections.
I hate to sound homerish but they seem bad to me.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Bad as in, nonsensical, of low accuracy, etc.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Which ones do you think are bad?
I’m gonna guess Freese, Holliday and Berkman.
For one, I’m pretty sure the OBP and SLG aren’t park adjusted, meaning they are going to be lower than they would be in a context neutral setting. Also ZIPS projections are usually pretty conservative.
http://playahardnine.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/cardinals-2011-zips-hitters/
I agree that they are a little low, but I think they are going for a weighted means – and the distribution is always going to be skewed a little towards replacement level.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
Freese actually doesn't surprise me. His hitting in the majors is frighteningly similar to Nick Stavinoha.
Freese, Jay, Berkman, Schumaker, Descalso make sense.
Pujols (too high), Craig, Holliday, Matt Carpenter (dude has been around .400 wOBA every stop in the minors yet he is projected worse than Mark Hamilton), and all of the pitchers and playing time for everyone.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I can't find Pujols'
Craig and Holliday are both high BABIP players, so I think that’s why their projections are low. Hollidays I actually think is pretty fair – it’s projecting him for .320 BABIP, which is probably not too pessimistic given his age. His ISOd and ISOp look fine to me. With Craig, I think the AVG and OBP look good, but the ISOp seems way too low. Carp’s ISOd and ISOp look fine, but his average is way too low. His projected BABIP is at .299, which is good, but his strikeouts are too high.
The pitchers seem ok to me. Wainwright is way too optimistic (although ZIPs doesn’t know about his injury), and Lohse and Westbrook are probably too high, but Carp and Garcia seem fine to me. The relievers all look good to me, but I think Rzep will beat that projection handily.
The playing time estimates are definitely screwy. I never use computer projected playing time because they don’t take into account any of the factors that directly determine playing time.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 3:55 AM EST up reply actions
Those are last year's.
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by monkeysareblue on Dec 17, 2011 3:48 AM EST up reply actions
i know, that was an example of how they are usually conservative
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2011 3:56 AM EST up reply actions
this.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
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