For Some Reason the St. Louis Cardinals Are Signing Skip Schumaker to a Two-Year Contract
by bgh on Dec 12, 2011 6:50 PM EST
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Earlier today Brian Stull tweeted that the St. Louis Cardinals were working on an agreement to bring back Skip Schumaker. This bad news was made worse later in the day when crack St. Louis Post-Dispatch scribe Derrick Goold reported on his must-read Birdland blog that not only were the Cardinals and Schumaker close to reaching an agreement but that the agreement was of two years in length. There is no reason for the Cardinals to repeat the mistake of the last two-year contract to which they foolishly signed Schumaker.
Schumaker is an aging player who was never very skilled to being with. This means that what were mediocre-at-best talents years ago are declining. Schumaker's power numbers have shrunk such that one needs rose-colored glasses and a microscope to see them. Schumaker's walk rate has tapered off to levels that make his .260-to-.285 batting average unacceptably hollow. Making matters still worse, Schumaker's defensive skills have gotten so bad that one needs to watch him in the field with a blindfold to be able to defend him. Lastly and most gratingly, he slides into first base headfirst.
It is important that we all understand that calling Schumaker "versatile" is misleading. Because Schumaker can be penciled in at second base, right field, left field, or center field does not mean that he has ever been able to play defense at any of these positions exceptionally well. In fact, he has been consistently horrendous when playing both center field and second base. As he enters his age 32 season, his cement-footed defensive range will only be worse moving forward.
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Position |
Innings |
UZR/150 |
TotalZone |
|
LF |
605.2 |
-3.1 |
6 |
|
RF |
545.1 |
0.7 |
2 |
|
CF |
692.0 |
-10.2 |
-7 |
|
2B |
2742.2 |
-12.1 |
-12 |
Quite clearly Schumaker should never be allowed to play center field or second base--especially with the dip his offensive production has taken as of late. He used to be about average in right and left fields. The problem is that the bulk of his innings at the positions came when he was younger, back before sliding headfirst into first base and grounding out to second base had taken a toll on his body. There is no reason to think him even average at the corner outfielder positions moving forward. What's more, he shouldn't be taking plate appearances away from the offensively and defensively superior Allen Craig and Matt Holliday. If the Cardinals sign Carlos Beltran, I would posit that Schumaker should never see an inning at a corner outfield position.
Schumaker should not be utilized in the field at all. To give him a job as a utility player would be oxymoronic. Schumaker is the equivalent of a Swiss Army knife with a dull knife blade that doesn't cut, a worn file that doesn't file, a toothpick that can't pick, tweezers that can't tweeze, and scissors that can cut only if you have them at the right angle.
Schumaker is the very definition of a hollow-average offensive player. One of the more troubling developments in Schumaker's plate approach in the last two seasons is his declining inability to take a walk. In 2009, Schumaker posted a career-high walk rate of 8.9% which understandably helped him to a career-high OBP of .364. It has been downhill ever since. It fell to 8.1% in 2010 and then to a mere 6.8% in 2011.
Perhaps linked to Schumaker's rapidly vanishing walk skills is his shrinking power at the bat. The decrease is Schumaker's slugging percentage (SLG) and Isolated Power (ISO) has been even more pronounced that his walk rate.
|
Season |
ISO |
SLG |
|
2007 |
.124 |
.458 |
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2008 |
.104 |
.406 |
|
2009 |
.090 |
.393 |
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2010 |
.074 |
.338 |
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2011 |
.068 |
.351 |
Schumaker has devolved into a player whose value depends entirely upon him posting a BABIP of .320 or higher and even then his value de minimus. In 2010, Schumaker saw his batted ball luck nose dive to .294 (about league average) and his entire value was lost. In fact, Schumaker posted a negative WAR in 2010. In 2011, Schumaker was better than in 2010 largely thanks to a .321 BABIP. That's the player Schumaker is today, one who requires a .321 BABIP to manage a .283 BA and .333 OBP--a player who requires good luck to be below average.
Schumaker was worth 0.4 WAR over the duration of the two-year contract he just completed. Though paid $4.75 million on the contract, Schumaker was worth only $1.8 million. It makes one wonder why general manager John Mozeliak is so eager to make the same mistake twice by giving Schumaker another two-year deal.
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i think this is probably the only thing positive to be said about the guy on a baseball field.
he looks good.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
he has a funny nickname
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
how'd you know it was sexy man day in St. Louis?
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by peppermartin on Dec 12, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
the cards paid almost $3M last year for schu to be
a 2B vs RHP/backup OF. can’t believe they would be stupid enough to do it again.
the worst part of this deal is that he's less useful in st. louis than almost anywhere else
because the cardinals’ current starting second baseman and center fielder are basically just two separate skip schumakers.
i hope they are just locking him onto a favorable deal so he can be traded
otherwise, WTF?
TLR is gone, long live the king
Come on now
Jon nay is far better than schu
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 12, 2011 10:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Since no one is sure who the starting 2bman will be since the signing of Furcal
I assume this is a dig at just how useless Skip is at that position, i.e., currently no one is the starting 2bman, and that’s exactly how bad Skip is there.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 12, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Perfect in an otherwise imperfect world.
Team has locked up potentially the most mediocre keystone duo in the Majors for two dreadful, overpaid seasons. . . .
Maybe PTSD Pujols-Transition Shit Doing
Maybe a legal defense. . . . for employing people who cannot defend. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
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"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 7:07 PM EST reply actions
Vegas
go
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
only to visit
never to live
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my ex girlfriend wanted us to move there two years ago
and this was my assessment after spending a week there. No way I could ever live there.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I find that 3-4 days there is my limit.
After that, I start to get worn (and boozed) out.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
concur. i usually lose all my money the first night and get way too drunk
two nights is perfect. three nights max.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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after 6 nights in Vegas, the last of which was New Years Eve
it took me 4 days to get back to normal when I got back
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
The last time I was there on day 5 me and another member of the group
went to the concierge and asked for the “dive-est” bar in a 5 mile radius. He suggested Margaritaville and we both immediately said divier. (Margaritaville is not a dive at all.) We wound up going to some college bar with beer pong tables and 24 hour beer. Draft beer was $2.50 a glass! On the strip it’s like $8.00 a beer.
It was the best ending I could have hoped for to that week.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
are you talking about O'Shea's?
which is right next to Margaritaville? And how bad was that guy at his job if he thought Margaritaville was a dive bar?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
never been.
and no plans to go.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
don't you like playing poker and otherwise betting on things?
surprised you have no interest in going to vegas.
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i meant no immediate plans to go.
i love betting on things, but i’ve never played a table game at a casino. i plan for that to change this summer.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
even if you don't like to gamble, there are so many things to do there
the first time i went i did not have a whole lot of money. but my friend filled up his backpack with some ice packs and a case of coors light and we walked up and down the strip, drinking beer and stopping at random places to play a few hands of $ blackjack. as soon as we went up by $15 or more, we cashed out. it was brilliant.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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they have $ blackjack?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
what happened to my 5?
hmm. $5 blackjack
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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haha i was going to say...
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
its fun and all,
but I was expecting more
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
ur doin it wrong
vegas is amazing in tiny little spurts.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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just seems like a place where you lose money and see a shitload of terrible people
I’d go on acid.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
it is. but you can drink for (pretty much) free while doing it!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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You can drink for free in Tunica too
but its obviously not Vegas
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i would go if i were in a severly altered state of mind
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
i'd think you would have a sensory overload tripping in Vegas
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i'd have to work up to it
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
my ex built it up to sound way better than it is
she goes out there 5-6 times a year and is a gambling addict, so I shouldve known
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Macau: Asian Vegas, except not everyone is drunk and partying balls
It’s comical how exactly they replicated the Vegas casinos, except since Hong Kong people are shy and/or apparently don’t drink, it’s like 1/5 as cool because the atmosphere sucks.
Not afraid to nitpick
the shitty thing about Vegas for the hardcore gambler
never go there during a holiday week, its total amateur hour. I got so frustrated on NYE that I had to quit gambling in the afternoon that day because noobs were fucking everything up
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you going to Vegas without a group of people that can either take up all the seats at an empty table
Or get drunk enough to shame the morons into not hitting against a 6?
Not afraid to nitpick
its kind of hard to bitch at someone for hitting on a bust card
when they only play two hands and bolt
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Step 1: Go to Bellagio, get a Macallan straight (and don't you dare put ice in that glorious drink)
Step 2: Yell at anyone who is thinking about hitting on a 6 before they can even do it.
Not afraid to nitpick
heh, I'd love to do that at the Ameristar
but I’d get kicked out in .5 seconds
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea how I've never gotten kicked out of a Missouri casino
In fact, I barely know how they let me in from the stories of other people getting rejected for being drunk. I always have to explain away the fact that while I’ve been drinking [heavily], I am not drunk [lie], and at the very least I am sober enough to understand that I am about to be making bets at which I am expected to lose money. It’s really a rousing speech.
Not afraid to nitpick
I've never been kicked out, but I was refused entry once
I was really shitfaced and I’m glad they didnt let me in. Funny thing is, I passed out at a $50 blackjack table at the Flamingo and they just left me alone, no way that happens here.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
i've read that high stakes games there are crazy
because they get a lot of gazillionaire chinese buisnessman that throw money around.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Vegas does not live up to the hype
depending on whom you go with. If you go with a group of guys, you blow a bunch of money and the entire club establishment just takes a huge dump on you, unless you throw down tons of money on a bottle and table service.
And for permanent living, give me NYC, no question.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
it's appropriate we discuss vegas, in a thread about doubling down on a statistically useless hand.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
I am disgusted that we have to have a Skip Schumaker thread
that isn’t a farewell thread
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by scoot on Dec 12, 2011 7:09 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
C'mon....
…it isn’t that bad. it’s not like we’ve resigned Corey Effin’ Patterson…
:=8P
The money is piddling; its the roster spot that seems to be the problem. Well, there is always that pinch-hitter off the bench who can play a couple of positions, not very well perhaps, but as always the intangible dugout chemistry stuff as well. It may not be the bestest moove the FO cud have made, but I see no reason to put on sack cloth & ashes either. Last year I figured Skip wouldn’t impact the club mooch one way or the udder, but I was wrong: he did hit that improbable GW walk-off hr to win a game for us. Perhaps there is an-udder in there somewhere. Probably not worth the roster spot, but….
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Let's hear this out--
maybe it’s one of those rare 2/-35 contracts.
by StillLostinNC on Dec 12, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
nice picture to go with the OP
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
what I like about it
is at sb nation st. louis, writing at the same time, I managed to find and select an entirely different broken-bat picture to illustrate the story.
aw
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
AWESOME
That puts my Cabbage Patch Cardinal to shame
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 12, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
This is not the signing I wanted to be reading about.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
any news of the terms of the contract?
2 years might not be horrible, if it is for cheap.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 7:27 PM EST reply actions
He'll burn a roster spot for 2 years.
That alone is too expensive.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
you mean he's out of options?!
damn…
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
meh, if he can hit like he did in 08 and 09, he at least provides some utility value
the biggest problem is that he is ridiculously redundant, both at OF and 2B.
I pretty much expected them to tender arbitration or a contract, so maybe I was justifying this ahead of time, but this ranks really low on the ‘bad moves’ scale.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
...
…a player who requires good luck to be below average.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions
someone can have my avatar and signature for two weeks if they want to take the seahawks with the spread tonight
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 7:33 PM EST reply actions
nobody? really? and y'all hate on me for watching the rams oh so much...
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
it was 11.
apparently it’s down to 8
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Seattle -8, but it'd make me watch more closely than I plan on.
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heh. sorry to screw up life.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I have to make a final exam and great 8 more papers. Otherwise, I'd be with you.
I know if I made the bet, I’d end up watching closely and then have to stay up late grading.
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fair enough.
i’ll be studying for an auditing final while watching. and hating my life.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
barffffffffff
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
UGH
reading through the transcript of Diedre’s radio interview, I think what makes me sick most of all is this:
“It’s just like God,” she said at the end of the interview, “to put us on a team called the Angels.”
Really? REALLY?
Also, as for the whole “we never made plans to leave saint louis” bit? Then why did you let two 30 minute phone conversations, with someone whom you’ve never met, change your plans?
I really don’t want to talk about this any more, but every day, something new comes up and it makes me sick.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 12, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions
O_O
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yall are bunch of whiners
put on some big boy pants and get over it. many people said that, stop fussing or sit in time out.
lets not have any emotion over the best player of a generation leaving
great logic
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
criticism is not whining
whining about criticism is whining.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
whining about criticism is not whining
whining about criticism about whining is whining
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i want to take this further!!
but im not sure how
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
i can support this
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Also this
“The devil has overplayed his hand because I have Christian folk trying to throw the Word in my face,” Pujols said.
The more they talk the worse it gets. They’re spinning this for the Cards better than they could ever try to for themselves.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
where did you see that?
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
that's....that's.....it's....but....
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Imagine if the Cards leaked
That 5yr/26M AAV offer upset the Pujols so much they were brought to tears, and that they made comments suggesting anyone criticizing their decision were being influenced by the devil? People would be upset at such a sloppy, transparent attempt at spin by the Cards. And yet here are the Pujols going out there and saying this stuff voluntarily.
I think most people understand that the money difference is great enough that most any ordinary person would make the same decision, but I guess they’d like to hang on to the idea they are not ordinary that way. This isn’t the time to try to hold yourselves up as some shining example of wholesome virtue. Better to just give people some time to accept it and be quiet.
Also, I don’t see where the blowback has really been all that awful. People are upset and disappointed for sure, but have there been all that many displays of rage? I might be missing them, but I don’t think so.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People are getting more upset the more they talk though for sure
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
I love the part where
on the one hand, the 5/130 offer was an “insult”, but on the other hand, they don’t harbor any ill will towards DeWitt.
So he insulted you, but everything’s cool? Please.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
It makes Pujols look greedy
but not necessarily for money. It appears like he wants the big deal with the Angels AND the love and adoration of St. Louis fans.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
They don't want to own their decision
This is what I was afraid of: Coming out and using faith and the “respect” card to avoid owning the decision to play elsewhere for more money.
Honestly, this is slap in the face to fans who have supported him for a decade.
Also, how Christian are you when you use money as way of keeping score with others? Last I checked, greed was one of the seven deadly sins. Yet she seems to be invoking her faith as a reason why she and her husband uprooted their entire family from the town they’ve known for 10 years and supposedly put down roots in so they could earn 25% more money someplace else.
How very Christian of you.
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by fourstick on Dec 13, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm used to the greed...
It’s the pride, not in his craft, but in the need to value oneself to closely to the almighty dollar that gets me. I understand the desire for the extra cash, and the hurt at being initially lowballed, but to sell out in a day or so to a brand new bidder just because the Pujols are upset that management didn’t value Albert initially where they expected to be is disconcerting. You’d think after a year or so they’d get over the lowball and decide what is really important. I’m afraid this is a lose-lose…
I want more... More baaaacon!
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by blueinmemphis on Dec 13, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
i would assume that this means christians are quoting the bible at the pujols
to argue that the pujols should not have left. greed being a deadly sin, rich men and eyes of needle, etc.
//RELIGION
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
and these folks have been tricked by the devil (Joe Strauss and sports radio)...
but where does the overplaying the hand come in?
Sign Roy O
FWIW, this was on a local christian station, I believe.
And it’s the same one Pujols has a share in.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
haha
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not planning on breaking the no religion rule
but this was not a smart thing to say, Diedre
by hr on Dec 12, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
i mean, i don't really want to talk about it either
but it is possible that she actually believes it. i mean, i think its PROBABLE she actually believes it.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Renfield seemed pretty happy....
:=8/
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And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
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Personally, I find the worst part of her interview to be...
that they helped to fund 99.1 JOY FM. I want my classical music station, not more contemporary-Christian-“She-named-the-pony-Jesus” rock!
I was really upset when the classical station went off the air.
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I was kind of bummed
but I don’t think you (dmlb) can really fault Pujols for that. No one else stepped up to save the station in its original format.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
#pujolscrieswhen the classical station goes off the air
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oh no, of course not. I don't blame them or the LCMS or anything at all.
I blame the market for not appreciating what they had!
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also the insulting and affrontive offer of $30 per year for five. . . . DeeDee leading candidate for the Brenda Warner lifetime achievement award in St Louis. . .
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holy hell it's getting real in the other thread.
i’m think i’m just going to park a seat in this one for awhile.
over/under for two more years of skip: 2 WAR
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 7:40 PM EST reply actions
under
I think a better O/U would be closer to 1 WAR.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
i feel as if we are breaking veb's rules but we have two mods participating,
so i guess it’s okay?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
ha, what's going on in the other thread?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 12, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
wow at that whole thread
I eventually had to stop reading
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 12, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
this comment in combination with your avatar is seriously creepy.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 12, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
yeah I wouldn't want it to mutate in any direction beyond where it is right now
which is why I’m trying to clarify things in it.
over
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Under
And despite the reason, I’m pretty happy this thread happened when it did.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
i'm ok with skip as the 25th man
Let’s just hope the $$$ are not out of line. When you sign up to the Cardinals and the tradition, etc, etc, you also sign up for Skip Schumaker signings. He got some key hits for us last year — at least he ain’t Aaron Miles
Just win
brah, miles was worth .8 WAR last year brah
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Destined for the Hall of Replacement Level
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
know who's a better 25th man? nick punto or matt carpenter
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-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Perzactly
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
true
but with the whole…“great organization, treats its players right, legacy, game the right way, ect” stuff that the Cardinals like to promote, it isn’t like this move wasn’t expected. I just hope that Skip can get back to his 08/09 days, which may be possible given that he hit really well in June/July/August
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
True but
He just does NOT fit in anyway on this roster. We need a utility guy who can be the RH platoon partner at CF and 2nd base. I agree, for the right price, he wouldnt be a terrible option for the 25th spot on a roster, but right now the only place he would even help is backup corner OF, where he has little value. even worse this all but gaurentees there is no room for M.Carpenter on the roster.
by mick311 on Dec 12, 2011 8:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, as i said in some thread earlier
my problem with him is that he is redundant on the roster right now. the main positions he would be acting as a ‘backup’ at, already have lefty bats with no power.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
True or false:
Amarao from FLCL is actually a young, time-traveling Leonid Brezhnev?
True or False:
Amarao Brezhnev would be a better use of a roster space than Skip Schumaker
What you guys who are judging this deal so harshly don't realize
is that with Skip, comes his pet Iguana who will lead us to WS 12 in ’12 . . . Call it the Torty Effect.
Who's faster home to first? Yadi or Torty?
Iggy?
If Schu develops into a power hitter can we call the Iguana Iggy Pop?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Napkin evaluation
-5 corner outfielder
-7.5 position adjustment
-7.5 offense (.309 Bill James wOBA over 650 PAs w/ .322 league average)
+20 replacement level
Schumaker is, essentially, replacement level as a somewhat charitable projection though I hate Bill James projections with a passion. So whatever they are paying him had better be small for this to be even defensible. If it’s for $1M a year for two years, I think I’d cede the intangibles argument to Mozeliak though I’d not care for it much.
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since the dollar amount is so low
he can be cut next year, say, if he doesn’t perform well. i find it to be a very reasonable depth move. carpenter may well be better, but he’s no sure bet and doesn’t have a high ceiling either. i would have preferred punto to skip, but i’ll give mo the benefit of the doubt as well. i’m sure he has a reasonable argument to offer the contract.
Well, ok
since the dollar amount is so low he can be cut next year, say, if he doesn’t perform well.
But why offer him two years in the first place? Or one year for that matter? Who are we bidding against and why wouldn’t we want him to play there?
Good left handed bench bats aren’t easy to find, and I like Skip Schumaker — I think he’s a good guy. But it’s really silly to be offering him a 2 year contract when nobody else in baseball is probably offering one year.
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this is kind of where I'm at
also, it’s worth remembering that Franklin was eventually given the bum’s rush when he was failing. It’s not impossible that Schumaker could just totally play his way off the team in a similar fashion, especially if Greene or Chambers or someone is pushing him for playing time (or Beltran, for that matter).
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
But why
Other than to waste money.
Oh sure, a million or two here and there seems like chump change. But it adds up.
totally
we know a mistake is being made, I’m just hoping the damage will be limited
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Maybe it's just two guaranteed Spring Training invitations...
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm hoping its no more than $4M total
and that he can return to a ~.320-.330 wOBA player. His LD% went up and his GB% dropped last year, which is encouraging. Big drop in BB% with a spike in K% though.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
if it's more than 2 total, this is godawful
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Increase in K's with a decrease in ISO is counterintuitive.
With his lack of power and ever-decreasing walk rate, there is little chance he can post a .320 wOBA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
unless he BABIPs .380 or something
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
don't kill my dream
his ISO drops so consistently it shouldn’t be long until he has no extra base hits on an entire season
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
you a PECOTA guy?
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-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
My understanding is that just about any of the others is better than the Bill James one
but the BJ one is out first every year, so what are you gonna do?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I've always been curious about this
I’ve seen quotes from James where he claims that there’s basically no evidence that the Bill James projections are any worse than the others. Also, the claim is usually that the Jame projections are bullish, at least on offense I think.
So, is James just wrong? Or is he just not admitting it? Is it all just playing time and counting stats that is the issue? That was one of the claims I remember from whatever it is that I read a long time ago. Obviously wOBA is a rate, so there’s that.
I was.
Then I learned WARP was shit so I wasn’t.
Then they started to change WARP and I almost was again.
Then they started to really change WARP and I wasn’t.
Then they started things like SIERA and I was like “fuck this”.
PECOTA adds in far too much complexity for far too marginal of gains, imo.
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I've lost touch on all the projection systems
Is there one that includes velocity yet? That data goes back 10 years now.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm working on one I hope to have out by February.
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by monkeysareblue on Dec 12, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
MGL says his include velocity
I think Chone’s might.
Mine includes velocity, and movement and location and selection, yet no one’s decided to do anything with it. Idiots!
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Colin Wyers (the PECOTA admin essentially)
says it does not include velocity data.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Hmm
Not in ZiPS either. I was wrong on both counts. The royal we that is Dan Szymborski (or he has multiple personality disorder, I can’t say which) claims that it’s not in there yet but will be.
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This is just bad general managing...
I think the only person Moe has ever played hardball with was Albert.
Overpay for Matt Holliday. At least he’s a very good hitter, albeit in a corner outfield position.
Overpay Furcal, who has been injured frequently the last couple years and not that effective when he plays.
Overpay for replacement level players who are terrible at defense? It’s an affront that Skip is even on the team at minimum salary. I don’t see what he can do that Greene or Chambers couldn’t do
by DiscoJer on Dec 12, 2011 8:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ground softly to second?
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Slide head first into first
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
AND insist that it's faster
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
next person to say we "overpaid" holliday should be banned.
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-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
also, furcal wasn't effective as the cardinals SS last year, eh?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
how can i possibly resist?
OVER PAID OVER PAID OVER PAID OVER PAID. along with. OVERRATED OVERRATED OVERRATED. there ya go nicky, suck on that.
you're right, i shouldn't defend 6 WAR baseball players. silly me.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm as big a Craig fan as there is but that simply isn't true.
Maybe in three or four year but certainly not today.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
6 WAR!!!!!!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not. Sirius is dead. (SPOILERS)
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
this is her twitter status right now:
FLcardschic VEB #trollinginthedeep
not that i particularly care, but don’t feed the troll.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
she hates the skip signing and likes beltran, i can live
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen some of her tweets
She hates Matt Holliday.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Oh. My most sincere apologies! Gotta respect that (whatever place that may be).
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does this mean miami girl is hot?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong Miami
But she’s apparently one of the people who post a bikini pic on their Twitter profile, so I don’t really need to editorialize.
i thought that *is* you in a bikini
just tilted.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
nah
it’s actually the red outline of a cardinal’s face.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
CAN'T UNSEE
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
clank may need waxing
hypothetically
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
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1 tbsp. dry mustard
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Combine olive oil and lime juice, brush each steak with mixture. Mix remaining ingredients; sprinkle over steaks. Wrap and refrigerate for several hours. Grill over hot charcoal for 4 minutes per side, or until steaks just begin to flake. Do not dry out. Top with Lime and Soy Sauce. Serves 6.
Can’t still be hungry right?
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by joker24 on Dec 12, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YES
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sure you're kidding
but holliday is actually one of the most underrated players in baseball. we have received between $14 -20 million in surplus value during the first two years of his contract.
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yeah, but it's the last couple of years that might hurt us
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's true.
But it’s nearly always true with free agent contracts where the player is not perceived as aged or an injury risk.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
of course.
but when you consider we basically got one free year from these last two, then even if he is replacement level in his last season (which i seriously doubt), we still at least break even.
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also. holliday would have probably been pretty close to 6 WAR this year w/o the injuries
i bet he puts up 6 WAR next season
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i was actually a big fan of the trade as well
if wallace isn’t a 3b prospect, he isn’t nearly worth as much. i think mo knew he would have to move to 1b, and oakland was willing to take to risk and hope he could stick at 3b. i can’t really know what mo knew then, but those were my thoughts at the time anyhow.
Holliday
My only issue with Holliday’s contract is that his contributions are all on the offensive side. Historically he’s pretty well a neutral fielder. As he ages and his offense drops off I think it could get ugly.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 13, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
I feel the same way
He’s not the butcher that some apparently still think he is in the field. But he’s a left fielder. Maybe he could handle RF, but he’s clearly not a defensive wizard. So at some point I wonder if he will need to be moved to first base (or DH in the alternate universes where we trade him or the NL starts using the DH). In that case who knows how much his offense would have declined.
not only are you wrong about Furcal, you're wrong about Holliday too
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
yeah, but not about Lohse
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
eh
the Lohse contract is bad, but it obviously hasn’t stopped them from competing. Not good but I’m not willing to fire Mo over Lohse and Skip.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
No, I still think he's better than most GM's out there
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to say
“it’s not as bad as the Zito contract” and then I remembered that the Giants won in 2010….whoops!
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
the lohse contract is mostly bad for the unnecessary risk of 4 years
but he’s missed almost half of it due to the least predictable injury short of cartoon-style piano on the head and it’s still about to be a break even contract. had he pitched like he has on average since joining the cardinals, there would be plenty of surplus value
No the Lohse contract is bad because we paid him a bit less than twice his projected value over the course of the deal
I’ll stop ripping on Mo every chance I get if you stopped defending that damn contract.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
there's benefit in overpaying one starting pitcher i think
you absolutely need five of them, so overpaying a bit for one is okay as depth is necessary here, especially if the farm isn’t going to provide much help soon, which was the case then. i wasn’t a fan of the contract and do think it’s the worst one mo has given out, but it still isn’t that bad in context of building a full starting rotation.
you'd rather overpay positional players because they have less chance of injury
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
in general yes
but we had poor pitching depth in the minors, so a slight overpay on a decent starter wasn’t unreasonable, imo.
we could have gotten someone like Chad Gaudin that same year for like a 6th of the price
There were plenty of guys who projected to be nearly as good as Lohse.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
when lohse was extended
he had already put up five seasons of at least 2 fwar, and the last two were each over 2.5. gaudin’s had only put up over 2 fwar once, the season before the extension. i know you just threw a name out there, but lohse had a much better likelihood of reaching his projection than a lot of others to be had cheap i think.
That's cause he was in the bullpen before
He was also a lot younger than Lohse. Yeah, Guadin had more risk than Lohse, but that’s why you pay him 2 years 10 million instead of 4 years 41.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
that's true
but to do it with one of your five is pretty safe i think. it’s not like they signed five lohse’s. that would be terrible of course. i’d have preferred 3/30 for lohse and would have been happy at the time, as i recall, but whatevs.
The point is that it was silly to expect him to put up 10 WAR over 4 years
when that was probably the maximum possible output from him when you could just sign another pitcher for 1 or 2 years for a lot less money without giving up a ton of value.
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are you being serious?
it’s hard to tell with your comments upthread?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
this is the poster who found VEB because some people saw her trolling RR
and popped in to tell them she wasn’t from here
oh thats right VEB is where serious happens
when we talk about everything except what the post is about. then we talk about their past tweets, cuz we have nothing real to talk about…. OMGZ, FOOTBALL!
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hypocrites
is all this page is. trying to find talks about skip or baseball but i can’t find it. all i see is people bashing, religion bashing (mrs. pujols), football. no harm intented, from me anyways. just wait for the reactions to every post some people say.
look in the last thread
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
there's a lot of talk about schumaker
most of it’s in the other thread, when people first heard about it. now we’re all in a depressed haze about it.
go the fuck away
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
don't talk like this to anybody.
I hate to get all veb-is-where-serious-happens on you, but this kind of thing is inappropriate even if you think somebody is trolling.
blatant trolling, but I will abide by your wish
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
anyway, what's the jajaja thing all about?
is that some obscure pop reference i’m too old to know about? or is it your signature go-to phrase?
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
hispanic slang
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
any english equivalent?
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
"hahahaha"
spanish "j’ is pronounced like an english “h”
by hr on Dec 12, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
christ i gotta get out more
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
by Cha-Cha on Dec 12, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i learned this through playing pc videogames
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
oh god
the brazilians. they were always the crazy ones.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Video games are also a good place
to be called the N-Word by boys aged 12-17.
spanish version of hahaha
spanish j is pronounced like h… but of course that means laughing is trolling.
furcal wasn't an oversign
holliday is about the best forecasted longterm contract out there. his extensions for carp and wainwright were great. he extended berkman before the end of the season to protect against albert leaving. the only issue i have is the lohse extension, and it even seems like we mike break even there.
This. If Skip's AAV is anything close to making up the difference between a non-deferred 10/210
and the 10/180 with 30M deferred, i.e. 3M per year, I am going to be incredibly pissed that the Cards didn’t just give Albert the full 10/210 without deferments.
how can you possible compare skip's deal to albert's?
that’s just insane. the sticking point was never “but we can’t sign schu without you taking a discount!”
I'm just saying that if the budgetary constraints of signing Albert,
meant that we wouldn’t be significantly overpaying for players like Schumaker, Lohse, Westbrook, and Theriot, then that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
i take it as having the flexibility
to allocate the extra money wherever we please. mo and dewitt have a finite cap on the team’s salary and determined how much of it can go to one albert pujols. i just think picking any one allocation of our extra money as evidence we could have afforded him is disingenuous. i don’t mean that about your though in particular or anything, i’ve just seen it put forth too much lately.
Ultimately, I just think the Cards' final offer to Albert was significantly lower than what I thought it should be
And every suboptimal signing for a while is just going to annoy me further. I would have just rather overpaid a future HOFer like Pujols than to continually overpay averageness and mediocrity.
Maybe the similarity is that neither one makes much sense. . . .
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We didn't overpay for Furcal or Holliday.
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by bgh on Dec 12, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
furcal
even if his contract is fair and at market value, i’m still not sold on him manning SS next year. not that i don’t appreciate some of the things he did last year. but i just wonder whether there might have been an opportunity to upgrade there.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
and i'm basically asking for opinions
because frankly i’m not sure. there had been talk about making a deal for ramirez or something.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
It was wishful thinking from folks commenting.
I think Furcal has the potential to be a tremendous upgrade. He gave us a .320ish wOBA last season, which is better than league-average offense. He projects to be about that good in 2012, too, and has the upside to be much better. His health is the real question mark and I think it’s been accounted for. The Cardinals are paying Furcal $14MM for 2012 and 2013. On the free agent market, 1.0 WAR is worth about $4.5MM. Using that valuation, we’re paying Furcal to give us 3.11 WAR. He ought to be able to do that and may give us significantly more. There is a lot of upside to this signing, if Furcal can stay healthy.
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once Reyes was gone, that was basically it as far as free agent SS that I was interested in
Rollins is probably not going to live up to however much money ultimately gets thrown at him. Ramirez is interesting; we don’t know if he was available, or if Mo asked and thought the price was wrong. As bgh said, Furcal has a lot of upside.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
guess i had ramirez on the brain for a day or two
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
SS market
There is very little out there as far as shortstops that are a clear upgrade over Furcal. There’s always a trade of course but Moz has already said they’re not looking to deal from minor league depth.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 13, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
your arguments re holliday and furcal are erroneous and hereby striken from the record
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
it is hereby ordered.
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apparently penn state has zero top 150 recruits...
that’s sad.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions
didn't you just say its too real over there?
so you bring up the same topic.. jaja i see ya nicky ;)
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, this is kind of bummer for the university
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
They should've pulled the plug on the football for 2012 and completely rebranded themselves...
even stolen a page from NEMO St. and become “Ben Franklin State University”
Sign Roy O
I was just thinking a name change is imminent
athletics there are ruined permanently anyway, might as well….
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Still doesn't matter
It’s going to be 20 years before they get their footing back, and that’s assuming they force Joe Paterno’s estate to donate enough money to demolish those locker rooms and build new ones.
Not afraid to nitpick
in 20 years they'll lucky not to be a glorified community college
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The thing is...
it’s a phenomenally great research school. To have the whole thing brought down by the defensive coordinator of the football program is ludicrous.
Sign Roy O
this.
and that’s the sad part of it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
What? I think they have a lot of good academic programs.
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I'm sure they do, and to be fair I hadn't really thought about that
the point I was trying to make is the brand is tarnished by the scandal in the athletics dept, which is a major cultural draw for students (athletes and non-athletes alike). Maybe “glorified community college” is overstating it, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to expect enrollment to drop signifcantly, to the point that they may have financial problems.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Hm... I would be surprised if that happened.
It is quite good academically for a state university, and I think maybe you’re overstating the importance of its rep as a football nirvana to its ability to draw students. It’s a unique place though, and I could be wrong.
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I don't know much, but I know their law program is very highly regarded.
I doubt football sex scandals will deter that too much.
Still not a werewolf.
well penn is ivy
penn state is big ten, but i do think penn state has a lot of good graduate programs. don’t know about law in particular.
As far as Big Ten goes,
it can’t hold a candle to IU, Michigan, Northwestern, UIUC, or Madison.
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by monkeysareblue on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
one of them has one of the top ten law programs
I don’t know how I know that, but there it is.
wiki tells me it’s the other one
oh look OSAM agrees, below
Still not a werewolf.
u penn law is top 10 in the country
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, UPenn. Not Penn State.
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by monkeysareblue on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
HAHA
lawyer joke
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Penn State has a good medical school based in Hershey.
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I live like 15 minutes from there!
Yay!
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by sirensofsilence on Dec 12, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
My wife got an interview there, but has already been accepted to Mizzou and was happy with that.
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We like it out here
But I’d still come back to MO given the chance. No place like home and all.
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by sirensofsilence on Dec 12, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
read a bit further down
I don’t know the difference between Penn and Penn State.
Still not a werewolf.
it's just sad.
a once proud, proud football program with be reduced to quite literally nothing for the foreseeable future.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think the entire institution is on tenuous ground.
The civil suits will hit it very hard. As will the reduced enrollment.
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at least Indiana might not be the most pathetic Big Ten football program anymore?
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I do not find the destruction of a college football program sad
here’s hoping the academics can withstand it, though.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 12, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
in fairness you hate college sports.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
yes
not only do I hate watching them, I think they’re an embarrassment to state colleges everywhere and hope the NCAA collapses spectacularly as soon as possible. so really, nothing to be sad about except the actual tragedies that precipitated it.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 12, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Can we get athletics out of high schools too?
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by a fink on Dec 12, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't mind actual amateur athletics in high school
or even in college. my brother played high school football for one of those city powerhouse-type schools and had a good time and learned a lot etc. it’s the monetization of all that—especially the monetization that these kids who probably have no desire to go to college when they could make money in a minor league are restricted from taking part in—that’s repellant.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish athletics were entirely divorced from academic institutions.
There’s no good reason they couldn’t be run independently in club and city-run programs.
But yeah, I’d cut out the NCAA big-moneyed programs first. It’s a sham.
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I wouldn't say "no good reason"
UT’s football team brings a lot of money into the university, much of which goes straight to academics.
That said, Mack Brown makes far more than our Nobel laureates.
Still not a werewolf.
All it'd take is one group of players to boycott the NCAA tournament in the Final 4 or champ game
I’d have to imagine that would void the tournament contracts and poof goes the NCAA’s primary source of funding and the whole system comes crashing down. A team like Kentucky with a whole bunch of NBA talent could pull it off with doing almost no damage to their own personal careers.
Not afraid to nitpick
high schools are next
games on espn. these big-time, big-money tournaments around the holidays. the constant attention paid to HS phenoms. pretty soon the only truly amateur teams left will be in little league. or the cubs ha ha
seriously, football and basketball need to follow baseball’s lead and form minor leagues. i would much rather see a nice AAA game between NBA interns than a college game
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
NBA
The NBA already has some framework in place with the D League. It wouldn’t be that hard a transition.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 13, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Gonna be hard
No one is gonna be donating to the “we might owe $100 mil in civil suits stemming from a man-boy rape coverup” fund, enrollment is sure to drop, and whether you like it or not athletics do serve as a powerful advertising tool for a school like PSU—-and that football program is DOA.
Not afraid to nitpick
that's so wrong.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
The academics are always almost underfunded
I think they’ll do ok.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
this is the point where a pedobear cartoon would be tasteless, right?
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by tom s. on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh tom.
Please not tonight.
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by azruavatar on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see, this is why i ask (sometimes). (well, okay this time.)
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All the more reason they're going to go balls out to hire Kirk Ferentz in January
They need to rebuild their brand.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I am as much of an advocate for bringing Beltran aboard as anyone
But I can’t remember the last time the Cardinals gave a multi-year contract to a player without a “test drive”. Westbrook, Holliday, Furcal, McGwire, and Piniero all were mid season acquisitions before signing multi-year contracts. Lohse, Berkman and Franklin came to St Louis on one year contracts.
What free agents have the Cardinals signed recently to multi-year contracts that were not current Cards or in the offseason after finishing the prior season with St Louis ?
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 12, 2011 8:32 PM EST reply actions
Reggie Sanders and Ron Gant come to mind
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Tino Martinez
and after two years we traded him away for nothing
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Team got a better than expected return. . .
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Beltran
I really don’t want Beltran. He can’t play center anymore and he’s going to be expensive. He also blocks Allen Craig in right and I want to see what Craig can do with a full season of at bats.
I’d be much more interested in Cody Ross as the right handed half of a center field platoon who can also play the corners if needed.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
What does the roster look like now?
1) Carp – SP
2) Waino – SP
3) Jaime – SP
4) Lohse – SP
5) Westbrook – SP
6) Salas – RP
7) Boggs – RP
8) Motte – RP
9) Rzep – RP
10) Lynn – RP
11) Sanchez – RP
12) KMac – RP
13) Furcal – SS
14) Holliday – LF
15) Jay – CF
16) Berkman – 1B
17) Yadi – CA
18) Freese – 3B
19) Descalso – 2B
20) – missing RF
21) Greene – MIF
22) Laird (?) – CA
23) Skip – OF (?)
24) Chambers (?) – OF
25) Carp (?) – 3B
Am I missing anyone? I think Skip doesn’t kill us if we sign Beltran, and use Skip as a backup until Craig comes back. Then we put Beltran in center, Craig in right, Jay on the bench and Skip should be the first to the minors. Alas, the fact that he signed a 2 year deal means he’ll be replacing either Chambers or Carp – hopefully he play himself off the roster.
Also, I hope Mo trades McClellan, either for a Loogy or for a prospect (and then we sign Mike Gonzolez or something).
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laird is gone
tigers
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
who's our backup catcher, Cruz?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Backup catcher will be a competition between Cruz and Anderson in ST.
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he probably has a little bit of trade value
but i’d rather they non-tender him and pick up gonzalez.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
i think we could probably get someone to take his entire 3 million or so salary
and give us a minor prospect in return.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I like the idea of the Cards picking up Gonzalez
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yeah, that's really our only remaining hole
Beltran and a LOOGY. GET IT DONE MO.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Furcal, Beltran, Gonzalez would be a pretty good way to shore up the team
for the 2012 season. Then for 2013 its a spending spree, hopefully.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I want Gonzalez because then our two lefties would not be LOOGYs.
That is, they could get righties out, too.
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Think K-Mac is suitable as middle reliever, mop up. . .. Can be sure one or more of the starters will be on the DL
Then K-Smack can eat some innings as well.
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A decent rotation...
….needs to go 6-7 starters deep, to cover the inevitable injuries. Kmca will be stretched out as a starter, but used as a long man in relief until an injury crops up. He is cheap insurance, nothing moore, and he is rather useful as a lefy-killer.
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…darn hooves….
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this Skip Schumaker news is totally ruining my day
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 8:50 PM EST reply actions
doesn't sound like a very tough day
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
not too bad
didn’t get enough sleep. realizing I’m pretty boring as a person. but that pales in comparison to this. you think the team is actually making some good moves, then they do this.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
why did it have to be a 2 year deal?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
intangibles man
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
why did it have to be any deal?
dude is not a good baseball player.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
#firstworldproblems
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by hr on Dec 12, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Who is going to play 3B for the Cubs next season?
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks I forgot about that
The Cubs traded away 40 HR potential (according to cubs fans) Colvin in that deal!
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
"Oh, hai Jed."
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss?"
-The Diz
by The Classical on Dec 12, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Ok, everybody out. Time for a new thread.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, this thread is about a two-year Skip Schumaker contract.
Killing it swiftly and with extreme prejudice is justified.
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by The Classical on Dec 12, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure the Pirates didn't think they'd be trading for the worst third baseman in the NL when they drafted Alvarez...
they just can’t catch a break.
Sign Roy O
Shift-A'd and quickly skimmed
No ballpark figures have been given for the amount, correct?
Still not a werewolf.
surprisingly, no
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2 / 3.2
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by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
pfft we all wish
2/5 is more like it
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That's what I'm expecting
hoping for under 2 per though.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
he's currently making 2/4.6 now, right?
He certainly isn’t playing better than he was prior to 2010.
Still not a werewolf.
I think he had a decent wOBA this season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah now that I look at it...
he’s actually plus defender at second and in the OF by UZR, though he’s a worse hitter than Schumaker.
If Hairston can get 2/6, Skip should get 2/5. Colletti might be an outlier though…
Sign Roy O
I was hoping somehow we could ship Schumaker to Colletti's Dodgers.
Adam Kennedy, Aaron Miles, Jerry Hairston, Tony Gwynn Jr…He’d fit right in.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
.323 better than I expected
but ehh
His stats are more attractive than Skip’s. Which is painful when I think about it
Still not a werewolf.
Oh, god. Hairston or Schumaker, Hairston or Schumaker?
I hate that this even has to be a question.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
this is like deciding between drowning and dying in a fire
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by nota bene on Dec 12, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
(sigh)
wasn’t the expectation that he would make $3M in arbitration? 2/5 sounds like a good guess.
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That is repugnant.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
2/10
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Needs more "stock options"
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by The Classical on Dec 12, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
2/52
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
his batting gloves don't fit right
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THEY. JUST. WON'T. STAY. TIGHT.
MUST. RE. CHECK.
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he can't get his stubble at just the correct, gritty length.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
10/210
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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go away, jared!
please, just go away
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM EST reply actions
dammit it seems many times I get on VEB lately it dies down just as I am getting to it
I miss being able to comment during the day more regularly. overworked and underpaid lol
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions
overworked and underpaid?
are you albert pujols by chance?
by Shi on Dec 12, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
definitely not skip schumaker
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately, skip schumaker
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Don’t want to talk about that. Sorry.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I hesitated in posting that
besides that, I’m mad that I can’t upload my music even though it works usually…. and that it happened after someone was dissing my creative work, and artists in general. that got me fired up. so 3 things are frustrating me.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
ahahahaha
I can get a cheap laugh out of this though… my roommate just thew a huge hissy fit and was cussing up a storm just because he spilled his drink on his desk. lol
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
You don't work for one of those employers that insult their workers by paying them $26 million a year do you?
because that would be the worst.
Sign Roy O
#ChitownCriesWhen he gets nexdef'd due to MLB.tv
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
#ChitownCriesWhen his roommate is an animal collective fan
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
#ChitownCriesWhen his roommate says
“oh, you like metal? i like linkin park too!”
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
ha!
yeah, I’m posting from my private jet
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Chitown One
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Schu contract speculation:
2/60. Suck on that AAV Albert.
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"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
2 Tickets to a Ludo concert
and 60 free minutes of parking on Delmar?
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by mtzxc on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gotta hide those seeds from holliday
thats just one massive jawful for him
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
i bet he could fit at least 100 in there
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
this would be a good idea
just to listen to Shannon butcher his name and talk about cats in Chinatown during every appearance
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
i'd kick the tires on kuo
but something was definitely not right with him last year. he lost 2-3 mph across all of his pitches.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
he's had two tommy johns and 4 elbow surgeries
and typically experiences elbow problems every spring training- i think inconsistency is to be expected. i’m not advocating a huge deal here, but he is a wonderful candidate to be exceptionally valuable in the bullpen if he returns to form, so i think he is worth a shot.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Denorfia to return to the Padres
@NCTPadres Dan Hayes
#Padres agreed to a one-year deal with Chris Denorfia and will tender all other players.Denorfia!
Still not a werewolf.
wooo?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
what the hell?
didn’t mo say he would be our 2b next year?
by hr on Dec 12, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
I mean, seriously, even if we don’t think Skippy should come back, I think if we had to chose between him or Theriot, the choice would be clear.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
actually, I think I'd rather have Theriot
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
For what intelligent reason?
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 13, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
signing skip schumaker
theory: they are just doing this to show that they will be loyal to players that have been around for a while… they are just picking the wrong guy to make this example
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
luhnow
http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2011/12/12/2625967/luhnows-blogger-friendly-background
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luhnow really has been around as long as the cardinals blogs
I remember when I was just getting started at GUB he did an interview with josh schulz at the old go cardinals blog.
so, uh
why don’t they just re-sign Punto instead of Schu? maybe they know of some injury concerns that I’m not aware of (other than he was actually injured a lot last year)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 10:22 PM EST reply actions
because TLR
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so scared
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
though really, all guaranteed schumaker contracts kind of have a de facto no trade clause
by DanUpBaby on Dec 12, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
because nobody would trade for him?
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
ahem
schumaker’s extension three years, includes NTC
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
VEP always wins this one
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hey I still love Pujols
what’s a clank?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
ptssh, yeah right
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
the noise made by Schumaker sliding headfirst into 1B
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
There it is again! That's twice now. I'm going to report it.
Sources: Schumaker’s extension three years, included NTC.
I might have read that possibly it’s up to 6m per year
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i've definitely read that it could go as high as $18MM over the 3 years
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
unsurprising. he's a fan favorite and we have a lot of extra cash
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
per year, yes
total value is said to be $54MM over three years.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
included in the 3-year, $54 million deal is a no trade clause for Schumaker and a trade clause for ace Adam Wainwright.
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fuck those trade clauses!
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
source
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/cardinals-resign-schumaker-to-3-year-deal
Still not a werewolf.
another part of the deal
Mozeliak also included a 20 year/$65 million personal services contract
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
FUCK YOU MO
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
tweet more.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Twitter not really my thing for a regular basis
Noise:signal ratio is off the charts, and it’s people I don’t actually know telling me stuff I don’t care about.
Not afraid to nitpick
EXACTLY
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
who said anything about your benefit...
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
you don't know that joker
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by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fakequote
It was about the commitment really. I mean, other teams were like, “We want you but we may cut you before Spring Training.” And then John Mozeliak’s best friend’s dad’s brother called me and said that he cared. That was when I knew the Cardinals were really interested in me as a person, as a family member and not just owning my body. Offering me a two year deal was great but that phone call from Bob, that really made the difference.
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by azruavatar on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Fakequote
I mean, who would leave Saint Louis for a few hundreds of thousands of dollars. At the end of the day, I want to be in Baseball Heaven because God told me it was the closest thing to real heaven and that’s where he wants me to be. I cried when they shot Old Yeller but also when I thought about re-velcroing my batting gloves next time I’m in the batter’s box at Busch Stadium.
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by azruavatar on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I just had some guy on the interwebs tell me that Darvish is a bad signing
His rationale: he was caught smoking in a pachinko parlor when he was 18 (too young to smoke or gamble in Japan), just before his first pro spring training. This apparently demonstrates that he’s “irresponsible and immature.” (This happened 7 years ago).
It was a real blow to my self-esteem, because I started drinking underage 7 or 8 years ago. I did not realize this meant that I am currently a worthless piece of crap.
We're friends then? Cool.
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by a fink on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Also, here he is
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by a fink on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sucks for the veggies
good thing fink turned!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
skip jared schumaker contract guesses
2 years, 2.5 million total (at least, if they are signing him, I would want nothing greater than that)
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2011 10:42 PM EST reply actions
WAT
…. well, guess I’m not missing much. back to the basement it is.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i mean
the bomb shelter for the zombie apocalypse
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
there's room on this ship
if you can prove you’re not infected
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
but not vampires!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha Bourdain got Samantha Brown to dress up as a psycho cat lady
this is horrifyingly perfect
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no, no. this is simply perfect.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
troll from earlier going all "basement" on twitter.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 10:57 PM EST reply actions
jaja nicky you so cute :)
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
prick.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
YOU of all people enjoyed that.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'll have them know that I'm in a converted garage.
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It's funny because you two flirted for like a month
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
wait, fang flirted with somebody
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
then she turned on my favorite player and went crazy.
and screw you guys, i’m decently good at flirting.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
YOU USED TO BE NICE
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
dan, az or whomever, i think you should get rid of the religion talk & the racial insults up thread
this is not the place for that & i find it pretty offensive. just because Albert left & people are upset doesn’t mean the rules of VEB should be ignored.
Balls
That's fair. The quotes can stay -- they are quotes from Albert/Dee Dee, not religious comments persay --
but you’ve got a valid point on some of the others.
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agreed
i almost commented on Pujols and his slant and his wifes, but thought it’d be crossing the line…and the only reason i would is cause I’m a missionary..
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
A missionary?
I thought you used to type at your laptop with a kid on your lap. Are you international or in the U.S.?
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wow good memory AZR
thats when my daughter was born in 06, and we were youthpastors then… we are currently in salem or, but did go to India last yr
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
I have a former (?) friend from high school that has been doing a lot of missionary work in South East Asia. It’s incredible though I don’t think I’d ever be suited for it. (Open mind and all though.)
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we wish to return overseas
as we had done our first 8ish yrs in states, when we met my wife was a missionary in Saipan…India was nice, but dont think I’ll go long term
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
i am impressed
an know the comment he’s referring to. Sometimes i get giddy like a kid and try to type fast and post, and my spelling lacks..was getting ripped on and was like guys my kids on my lap and i cant watch cards games..
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
i have a good friend who has been a missionary in the Ivory Coast till last year
she wants to go back but can’t for safety reasons. i respect the heck out of y’all, that level of commitment is extraordinary
Balls
thanks
makes you appreciate america for sure.. this being said this is why the pujols comments struck me, but i havent and wont comment here. Lets just say I didnt think it was appropriate of him..
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
and i tlooke dlike IL Rosso
tried to squash it
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
same here
i like how they were talking about her faith like that, then later down the thread some were like “don’t wanna break the religion rule” can’t have double standard/exceptions. people are really holding their tongues, why let some and not others?
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
You might be best off not running your mouth for the rest of the night.
If you were trying to make some kind of a coherent point earlier, the only thing that came through was that when you decide to be a troll, you are quite effective at it.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I wanted to express my discontent at what was said by Deidre Pujols without it erupting into a huge deal
I don’t understand what you mean by double standards…
presumably because we let some people trash their religious remarks but
other times we quash religious conversation.
I did find two comments above that were very questionable in retrospect. I was just getting out of some rather intense convo in the other thread and they didn’t register earlier.
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i was the only one defending my race and religion
and of course since i am like the pujols’ i was instantly targeted, all night. of course i was mad so i tossed some bait back.
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, but if you think the response to your comments was about race you are deeply misguided.
and trolling isn’t the right response to perceived slights.
there are still posts up
that have single handedly targeted that. sorry you can’t control peoples mouths.
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Contrast your remarks to GDMs
One got results and one raised everyone’s defensive hackles. Just food for thought.
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what she's trying to say is she felt personally attacked by some of the comments you deleted
that brought up race because she is latina. i’m a white dude in ohio so i can’t even pretend to know what it’s like to be judged because of the color of your skin. but obviously that’s a swore subject with her. add to it his religious beliefs she also shares with him where brought up & it set her off. yes she was trolling but only after she was accused of.
basically feelings where hurt & tempers got the best of people. i think everyone should apologize & move on & try in the future to not bring religion & race into the discussions. and also don’t make fun of girls the same way we can make fun of guts. i think we forget that & it’s important to remember you can’t say the same thing to, and joke around with a guy you go to school with the same way you can to a girl.
Balls
this is another road I don't want to go down while everybody's tetchy
in general treating all people a certain way because of their gender is a bad idea, at least on a blog with a bunch of individuals on it who are otherwise unrelated and have very different views from each other.
if somebody as an individual doesn’t want to have a rui’s-mom meme of their very own, it’s best not to draw a broad conclusion about other people because of it, at least not as though it’s the natural or right thing to do when other people here certainly disagree.
OK, i was just trying to say you can't treat everyone the same
i think that gets forgotten, i’ll drop it
Balls
I will make fun of spants, d-dee, and IHB just as much as I make fun of anybody else here
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i said some girls didn't i? obviously there's a lot of women here who we can go back & forth with
we just can’t do that with all of them. that’s all i was trying to say
Balls
Yeah that's definitely chauvinistic
If you wanna say depends on the person, that’s fine, I agree with you. Has nothing to do with their sex
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
uh, i'm sure that sex has something to do with it
it’s not like men and women are the same.
It’s just not politcally corect to admit that appaently.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Neptune's my favorite planet.
It needs more love.
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've always been partial to Earth myself.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All the cool kids live there
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
it's not like they blew it up, Death Star style....it's still there
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
if it makes you feel better
it never should have been declared a planet in the first place. this way, at least, it had planethood for some time, and robots can remember its planethood fondly.
THIS DOES NOT MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.
Next thing you know people are going to tell me that Goosebumps wasn’t a literary masterpiece series.
Why must you all crap on my childhood?
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even robots must grow up?
this likely makes it worse, but in elementary school i sold my entire goosebumps collections (like over two dozen books) for fake money at school to buy a hand-egg ball. AND IT WAS WORTH IT.
The only fear I had as a child was of ventriloquist dolls
thanks to a certain Stine.
Still not a werewolf.
I still have the entire series at my parents house in the attic.
Every last book. Animorphs too.
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Yep.
I was a prolific reader even in grade school. The daunting part was reading these books (intended for 5th graders, iirc) when I was like a junior in high school. Dedication.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
i have so many of the animorphs books
i re-read the Hork-Bajir Chronicles the other day. it was terrible.
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by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Remember when they went to that other planet because of the game the Elimist played
And they had that wolf android on their side and they were being hunted by the Howlers?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
OMG totally!
I was just thinking that that was my favorite one! Wasn’t he a Chee or something, the android? And he was like entirely pacifistic? And the planet they saved was full of genetic descendant of yeerks that had found a way to evolve and move around without taking over other species’ bodies. that was the coolest.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Crap just saw this part. Awesome.
Loved Animorphs too, but never finished it. I did read up on what happened via wikipedia though. So sad! All of it, so, so sad.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
same here with animorphs
i probably read each 6 times.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I read every single one of those as a kid.
“How I Got My Shrunken Head” was my favorite. Least favorite: “The Beast from the East”
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don't remember any of the story lines distinctly
but I remember Beast from the East’s cover art vividly.
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Yea, I don't really remember any of the stories either, and remember much of the art.
I do remember that Beast from the East was told largely from the perspective of said beast and it was not something I could really enjoy as a reader/kid.
Oooh. I do remember some of the plot from one of them. I forgot the name though. As usual, I do remember the cover.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
yes, men and women are different
applying broad generalizations to a specific person, or in this case poster, is not reasonable
well it's ok to say that more x do this than y
but generilizations are wrothless when talkign about the indiviual I agree.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
not about political correctness, at least not here
in public, when you’re not in a situation devoted to a debate about sex/gender/etc, a little discretion about bringing that up is just part of being a polite, sociable human being.
SAYS YOU DANUP
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
But yeah I agree
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
There was zero racial element to anything said. Literally, none.
She then incited a mob.
This is someone yelling fire in a crowded theater. I can’t muster much sympathy for the results.
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i disagree Az, there was something about all latino's & cathloics you deleted
that’s bringing race into it & that’s out of lines big time
Balls
I'm re-reading it now.
Here’s the last thing I’ll say. 1) Miamigirl basically did everything wrong in dealing with it. 2) I can’t time travel back to when it was first posted. This is all I can do is when I catch it or it is brought to my attention.
I don’t find the comments to be overtly racist. She (and apparently you) does. Fine. They’re gone now. That doesn’t excuse any of the other crazy bullshit that went down.
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by azruavatar on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now I am interested.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
by hazel on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you for getting rid of comments
they’re gone & i think any more talk is beating a dead horse at this point.
Balls
its kind of like cankles
except for robots.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
indeed
“The erectile hairs along the back of the neck of an animal, especially of a dog.”
wow.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
teehee
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
WE MUST UNITE IN SOLIDARITY, FELLOW NON-WHITE
WILL YOU JOIN ME
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 12, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just the two of us?
weren’t you considered as ‘trolling’ at one point too? nice office gif
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
and you're the ringleader
of the targeting. only person i ignore is you
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
AND HE'S WHITE
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Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 12, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
not going to go that far rui, nice try
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know what this means
but “ringleader of targeting” sounds like an awesome title
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a Tyler Greene Fan Club title.
You didn’t fall in with that lot, did you?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
oh, of course not
those guys are nothing but trouble
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
THERE ARE SOME OTHER ASIANS HERE PROBABLY BUT THEY DON'T COUNT
AND YEAH I’VE BEEN KNOWN TO DABBLE IN TROLLING. THAT’S WHY WE BELONG TOGETHER
WE SHALL OVERCOME
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 12, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
don't you have a wife?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Bro I'm doing something here
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Ok sorry bro
Brock on
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
that's what flags are for!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 12, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure I may have got one
In retrospect, though that certainly wasn’t what I was going for. Should have thought more carefully about that angle.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
i feel i broke multiple rules today
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
So is Deidra just flat out lying or what?
JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
Cards source reaffirms 10-year guarantee offered. Hearing it included player-controlled option(s). Technically represents guarantee.
I'd really like to hear the actual terms of the deal we offered
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe ask DeeDee, the Golden Calf and Mamnon
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
right we have yet to hear a definitive report
everything is disputed, only now hearing about the options/deferred money.
speculation up thread
she was reffering to first offer, and they got ticked and maybe wrote cards off?
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
i thought there were multiple offers.
or maybe Lozano lied to them.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not including last yrs
but i guess that doesnt count?
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know
there was a lot of unconfirmed information flying during the twitter speculation period
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
i think the disrespect thing
forgets that the cards did make offers last season
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
i think the disrespect thing has to do with NTC and the whateveritis service clause, and thus technically not the money.
the latter of which, if true, is severely indicative of insecurity. Red shows up, drives a golf cart, gets a check. why did they think Albert needed it in writing to ensure his retirement forever?
they better be buying the Dominican to justify it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
They made one 9/198 offer last offseason
Which apparently was taken off the table at the beginning of this offseason and replaced, initially anyway, by the 5 year deal.
probably, they're playing the PR game now
and in that world, you get your argument out first and worry about the truth later
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
someone once told me there are 3 sides to every story
yours
mine
the truth somewhere in the middle
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 12, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
we need to look in the middle, both sides made mistakes here
what sucks is we fans are the ones stuck in that middle & the ones hurt the most
Balls
Technically guaranteed
and Guaranteed are two very different things.
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 13, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
//
http://redux.com/stream/item/2148744/Oskar-the-Blind-Kitten-and-His-First-Toys
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
i thoroughly enjoyed jackson running over the douchebag that got the taunting penalty
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
me too
that was glorious
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
he's a bitch.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
couldn't follow veb today
what’s the latest on the jared situation? (if someone says 3/54+ntc, i’ll hurt you)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
he still thinks it's all his fault, and it is apparently endearing.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
remember that time you got really mad at me because you asked a serious question and i responded with a joke?
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
remember that time you turned around the trolled repeatedly after bringing that up the second time?
do you need me to explain it, or something? if d-dee laughs, it’s funny. if she does not, I do not hound her day and night telling her she’s an uptight hypocrite. I apologize.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
damn, I'm mangling connecting words and stuff. multitasking.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
basically trolling means someone says something you don't like, right?
it’s okay, i just find irony in the situation
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
uh, no?
you trolled the next overflow thread, repeatedly. and as far as I know, didn’t apologize for that. my point is, you don’t get to determine that everything you say is funny. this is at least the third time you’ve brought it up, which means, once again, that you can’t deal with it when it gets dished to you. but it’s always funny when you do it, right, pj? ‘cause you don’t have to listen to anybody else.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Note to self:
Add “Y2S/PJ” to list of VEB interactions to ignore
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i should build a chrome addon
that allows people to ignore certain topics, maybe i could do conversations between people, that would be hard
shit, i wonder if i could do thread collapsing. this would be baller. i’m totally not going to try, though
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Cool comment, pj
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
it was practically two weeks ago
I don’t know why he keeps bringing it up. it’s not like my reply is going to change.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
it's kind of like the big bang
y’know, matter and time were created, so there wasn’t really a “before” the big bang, you see.
it’s infrequent, enough, but still regularly. it has always happened and will probably continue to happen. we’re just keeping each other sharp
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
no, it's the second time, like you said above, but that's okay, i exaggerate sometimes, too
and no, the main reason i brought it up is because it annoyed me when you did it and you didn’t address me last time i mentioned it. i assumed you didn’t see it
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
that's.... still three times.
it begs the question, why are you still bringing it up if it’s all cool? you jerked me around on a baseball question. and you’re getting steamed at me?
but you’ll continue to jerk around other people, then act all bewildered and martyred when you get called on it. so, no — you clearly don’t want to be taken seriously. whatever you type on here is what people react to. you are completely in control of that. I come back to whatever’s on the screen, and if you keep doing it, eventually I’m going to catch on that that’s what you want.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait, this is the second time, therefore three times?
i don’t understand how that works.
it begs the question, why are you still bringing it up if it’s all cool? you jerked me around on a baseball question. and you’re getting steamed at me?
i’m not steamed. i’m pointing out how you were being inconsistent about something that you flipped out at me for
but you’ll continue to jerk around other people, then act all bewildered and martyred when you get called on it
yeah, it was mainly stuff like that. you’ll understand that i was peeved to notice that 90% of your posts are posting memes in response to serious questions.
I come back to whatever’s on the screen, and if you keep doing it, eventually I’m going to catch on that that’s what you want.
huh?
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
this is the third time, because I did address you the last time you brought it up.
do your own search, dude.
ohhhh you’re not steamed. so why do you keep bringing it up? in my replies to other people? day after day? yeah, so it’s not on your mind at all?
look, do I have to spell this out too? I asked a serious baseball question, and you “answered” with something which could have been a real answer. how in the world is mentioning someone’s good looks going to be confused with a question about contracts? that is what I mean by you jerked me around. just like posting inches of fake tweets when everyone is waiting for real news. ha ha. so funny.
there is no way in hell any of the commenters would mistake one of my quips with a serious answer, and what’s more, most of them joke right back. or are you saying you don’t find it funny, so it’s just not funny?
furthermore, what’s it to you if I answer in memes? you’re a bigger control freak than I am if you think it’s your sovereign duty to badger me every time I have a conversation with someone else.
yeah. “huh?” alright. you don’t wanna listen. you just wanna get defensive. you never do anything wrong. but quit butting into my conversations with other people if you’re “calling me out” on something you do all the time, without apology. the next time you do it, I’m just gonna flag you and ignore it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Sick of this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
sorry, i was typing and didn't see this
you can delete it if you want, but i mean, i’m not, like mad or anything. just answering y2s’s questions fairly politely
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
guys, break it up
neither of you is going to get anything satisfying out of this conversation, and neither will anybody else
3 year contract with a ntc, not sure about the AAV
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
this better be a joke
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
is that joke supposed to cushion the blow on the two year deal?
cause it kinda does
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Yeah
Throw skittles directly at your star running back. That sounds like something that will end well.
Unicorn
JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
Cards source reaffirms 10-year guarantee offered. Hearing it included player-controlled option(s). Technically represents guarantee.
because TLR
The only thing there
Is that if it got really bad really fast, there would have been pressure on him to be like McGwire and call it a career. Of course that would be there with a straight 10 year deal too, so it’s hardly anything.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm tired of talking about/ hearing about Pujols.
I keep hoping to hear news about Beltran…. seems very quiet on that front. I hope they are trying to hammer out a contract. as we speak.
saw on twitter
that beltran talks were going, just not going anywhere yet
by miamigirl54 on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it's a little weird how much more talk, league-wide, there's been about michael cuddyer than carlos beltran
also, fyi: cuddyer gets autocorrected to cud dyer in lion.
Rockies and Twins are in the running right now
from what I can tell. Though whether he’ll get that price is anyone’s guess.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
it says the Twins offered him 3/25
that’s already crazy, isn’t it?
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
He's averaged 1.7 WAR over the past 4 years
and he’ll be 33 when next season starts. So…….yes. That is way above what I’d offer him.
I think so.
He looks like a 1.5-2 WAR player in a projection. He’s got limited upside, plays a poor corner outfield. I don’t get it. 3/25 doesn’t account for any aging and is still at market value. I can’t understand it.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
it's a bidding war, I guess
I know the Phillies were after him for a while, so maybe Amaro had something to do with the auction getting out of hand….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
what sucks much worse, and apparently can't be turned off, is safari's intense desire to close tabs I'm using to save RAM
like I’m on an ipad. I was always a safari user but it got so bad that I quit using it after I first installed lion. I tried chrome for a while and then firefox, but I went back to safari yesterday because chrome’s UI is terrible and firefox is comically slow.
really? it does that?
there HAS to be a way to turn that off.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm always up around 15-20 tabs for blogging, so other people might not notice it as much
but yeah, it’s a mess. which is a shame, because safari/lion is a great browsing experience otherwise, especially with a trackpad.
i love apple, and i know you don't really,
but this is sort of the epitome of the condescending approach they take toward consumers.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i don't really feel those kinds of feeling toward corporations
for the most part i think that tablets are worthless to me and that full size mac laptops are a waste of money for me. i think the iOS is the most polished cell phone experience and i would like to have a macbook air for speed:size:battery life tri ratio
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
well now i feel stupid.
i enjoy using apple products.
i don’t want to buy the company dinner.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
actually, probably something really healthy I can't substitute anything out for
in food, I have no desire for the apple experience.
It would look really really cool though
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
the presentation would be stunning
and you would only be able to eat it one way
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
ya i was thinking it would be all vegan or vegetarian food
i wouldn’t turn down a free meal, but that’s not what i’d put on the menu
Balls
that said
i think people who put apple stickers on their car, etc are a little silly
oh and since i didn’t get a large enough scholarship award to go to barcelona, i will probably buy a MBA in the next month or so. this netbook is pissing me off
also, clank, fedora sucks. shit freezes up every 5 minutes. i don’t know what i did wrong
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
first time i installed i got kernel panic when installing updates
and now maybe it’s just chrome. i dunno, windows 7 works fine, if slowly
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
i really don't like Fedora very much
i used Gentoo when i was using *nix back in the day
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
ubuntu is great!
until the battery dies an hour later
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
oh no! i'm sorry about that.
how much did you end up short?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i got less than half of the maximum award
i probably would’ve needed the maximum to be able to stretch to afford it
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
still try to go barcelona
it really might be the only time in your life you have the chance to do something like that.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
i would have to come up with about $5000 on my own
plus i will need to buy a car fairly soon with the daily hour commute to and from work. plus, i will be moving right before going. then i’ll need spending money and money to cover bills for the month that i’m not working, etc. just not really feasible
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
what kind of netbook?
now that my mom has fully given up on hers I’ve been using it for some very frustrating games of baseball mogul. can’t believe how bad the trackpad is, so it’s hard to actually use, but windows 7 runs pretty well given how much of a dog the atom is.
asus 1201n
it’s borderline netbook, but it has a dual core atom, so i call it that
my main issue is the abysmal wireless card. getting an internet connection more than a few feet from any AP is essentially impossible. many rooms in the university where i have to tether my phone to get on the internet. just unacceptable
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know if this helps with Safari
But go to Settings – General – Uncheck “Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Googling shows me that this should solve your problem, DanUp
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I don't have autocorrect on in Lion
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
fixed
Why on Earth would you want autocorrect in a desktop OS?
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
autocorrect is great
I love my pre 3’s keyboard, but without autocorrect on some well-defined fat-finger mistakes it would be pretty useless.
i find it useful, but ONLY when i'm drunk.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
he's one of those guys who had a good underrated season like 5 years ago, and now eveyrones on his junk
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Beltran has a much higher profile than Cuddyer. I’m also somewhat shocked at the apparent lack of interest in him; that combined with the Cardinals not just signing him immediately makes me think Lozano’s demands are sky-high at the moment.
Saw this morning, haven't seen it posted yet:
The not-for-profit Memphis Redbirds Baseball Foundation is preparing a plan to place the team and its home, AutoZone Park, on the market, reports the Memphis Commercial Appeal. The Redbirds have been mired in a complex financial mess for several years that made it almost impossible to sell the team.
Considered one of, if not the best facility in minor league baseball, AutoZone opened in 2000. It came with a resulting heavy load, as its $80.5 million cost set a new record high for a minor league stadium. The combination of the high stadium debt, back tax liabilities and operating expenses out of line with declining revenues led to the deteriorating financial situation.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 11:50 PM EST reply actions
they've had problems for years.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
a not-for-profit that owns a minor league team?
this isn’t normal is it?
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
maybe albert wants to buy them
or skipperdoodle with his new millions
TLR is gone, long live the king
we could probably swing that money
veb owning the memphis redbirds would be awesome
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
We could put the bar there!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
How am I going to be able to sleep tonight when I can think about that?
Let’s get this done!
VEB WINTER MEET-UP DISCUSSION
SIGN PRINCE FIELDER
and have ballpark sushi
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
In Memphis?
Is there such a thing as sushi-grade pork?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously, raw pork is among the worst things you could eat.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
i think i'd eat completely raw pork over completely raw poultry if i had to choose
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
i just don't think i could deal with the raw poultry texture
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
SO IT'S YOU WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT BEING LEGAL HERE AGAIN
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Was just reading about this on wikipedia.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I'd actually ingest a tape worm directly before eating raw pork.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i call shenanigans on this one
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that guy was kidding.
Or he’s just touched in the head from eating raw pork.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
we need no staff, really
we got two physical therapists
fourstick can run hr
danup will do pr
we have enough people for scouting, managing and analysis
tpg can play batting coach
i’ll administer the ticketing database and the payroll database
ihb is our lawyer
az will keep us all in line
oh, but we’ll need an accountant
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
also
#HireTLR
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
as long as you can prove you're neither strauss nor burwell
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I call dibs on scoreboard operator/walk-up music player
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
travelling secretary?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
shut up or i'll have fourstick make you clubhouse manager
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
those absurd bacon-wrapped minor league baseball publicity stunt burgers
I want three fifth-third burgers on my desk by friday.
then this probably wouldn't be a good place to remark
that I’d have sex with it
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I'm just thinking about it though!
not acting on it
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i know, what is that lettuce doing on there?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I need to defibrilate my monitor now
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
I'm not concerned about my salary
I just want to make sure you guys make me feel wanted.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
you'll make him cry now
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Ok 10 years
Probably too late now, damage is done.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
but do you want to stay forever
cause we got the statue ordered and such
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
this is awkward
I already erected a statue outside my house
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Memphis isn't a large enough market to support personal services contracts for aging doctors after they've retired
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
If that's the case
Springfield is pulling at my heart strings
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
but did you pray on it?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
actuallly Mrs. Scoot just told me what to do
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
does she want to be on the real housewives memphis?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
better you than gdm
or we’ll end up broke again in no time
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
me too
except, muscles
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 13, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll do it
I have no formal training, but I enjoy numbers and spreadsheets – how hard can it be?
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
The article goes on to say that the Cardinals put in an offer for the team earlier
but withdrew it because of their financial mess. They might give it another shot, I suppose.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
A: Jeff Keppinger, among others
Q: Who is a better player than Skip Schumaker yet is being non tendered tonight?
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton
VEB is fucking weird today...
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 PM EST reply actions
yeah this is definitely one of the strangest days i can remember here.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I should have pulled the banhammer earlier but I was a little late to the thread.
Now I’m so confused that I don’t even know who to yell at.
I assume this is all still Albert despondency and lament working it’s way out of the collective psyche.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I should've dropped the link to my depressing music list
then everyone would’ve mope-ily argue Elliott Smith vs. The Smiths
Still not a werewolf.
That's a great song
But it’s hard for it to be truly depressing when I have no idea what the hell he’s singing about.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
funny you should say that
out of all their songs, that one is pretty unambiguous as to what he’s talking about. He definitely mangles some consonants, but the imagery is pretty straightforward.
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yeah you're right
but i bring his other songs into that one, unfortunately. I’m used to tuning out his lyrics.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, I get it
I’m kind of notorious for not giving a shit about lyrics & vocals, actually, but I really love TY’s voice. And his lyrics too, although I admit I usually have to google them. Some you can figure out, some are just headscratchers.
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Heh, I'm like the opposite of you
I really like lyrics and vocals, but can’t stand thom yorkes voice and think his lyrics are bullshit.
they are confusing, but only because he literally takes random phrases and picks them out of a hat to write his lyrics (otherwise known as the william s. burroughs method).
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think he only did that for Kid A
and even then I’m skeptical about how much of that actually happened. Some of the more inexplicable things tend to be literary references. I know he’s a Dante fan, for example.
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i think he's full of shit when he said he did that
he’s always been notoriously vague about his lyrics and consistently irritable about being asked about them
a lot of internet dollars say that the lyrics were not pulled out of a hat
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
he's totally full of shit most of the time i think
‘Street Spirit’ is our purest song, but I didn’t write it. It wrote itself. We were just its messengers; its biological catalysts. Its core is a complete mystery to me, and, you know, I wouldn’t ever try to write something that hopeless. All of our saddest songs have somewhere in them at least a glimmer of resolve. ‘Street Spirit’ has no resolve. It is the dark tunnel without the light at the end. It represents all tragic emotion that is so hurtful that the sound of that melody is its only definition. We all have a way of dealing with that song. It’s called detachment. Especially me; I detach my emotional radar from that song, or I couldn’t play it. I’d crack. I’d break down on stage. That’s why its lyrics are just a bunch of mini-stories or visual images as opposed to a cohesive explanation of its meaning. I used images set to the music that I thought would convey the emotional entirety of the lyric and music working together. That’s what’s meant by ‘all these things you’ll one day swallow whole’. I meant the emotional entirety, because I didn’t have it in me to articulate the emotion. I’d crack…
Our fans are braver than I to let that song penetrate them, or maybe they don’t realise what they’re listening to. They don’t realise that ‘Street Spirit’ is about staring the fucking devil right in the eyes, and knowing, no matter what the hell you do, he’ll get the last laugh. And it’s real, and true. The devil really will get the last laugh in all cases without exception, and if I let myself think about that too long, I’d crack.
I can’t believe we have fans that can deal emotionally with that song. That’s why I’m convinced that they don’t know what it’s about. It’s why we play it towards the end of our sets. It drains me, and it shakes me, and hurts like hell every time I play it, looking out at thousands of people cheering and smiling, oblivious to the tragedy of its meaning, like when you’re going to have your dog put down and it’s wagging its tail on the way there. That’s what they all look like, and it breaks my heart. I wish that song hadn’t picked us as its catalysts, and so I don’t claim it. It asks too much. I didn’t write that song.
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by Shi on Dec 13, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
he was definitely more interesting when he was depressed and crazy
so was his music
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
aah, so you admit king of limbs is a crock of shit
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
king of limbs was depressing in comparison to my hopes
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by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I was hoping for something completely different than what they produced
which was pretty boring
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I fucking love it
it’s like the diametric opposite of In Rainbows (which I also really loved FWIW)
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fair enough
I wanted something more rockin than either of those, sort of a departure. like maybe a more weird version of ok computer
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
it is definitely not rockin at all
they went out of their way to make it as non-rockin as possible. Why, beats me, but that’s clearly what they were going for and it definitely succeeds on those terms IMHO.
I mean, almost the very first thing you hear on the album is that fucked up chopped up non-beat come in on the first track.
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but it's not atmospheric either
Amnesiac is my favorite album, even though it’s not very rocking, because the songs seem to have the most internal consistency. IE, each song establishes a specific mood and follows it up (pyrmaid song, life in a glasshouse, you and whose army). Those are always my favorite type of songs, and Radiohead’s always been a good band at doing that.
KOL completely abandoned that.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
all the songs kind of sounded the same
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
that's interesting that you say that
I would have said Amnesiac is the most disjointed in terms of album flow out of all of them. Supposedly they almost broke up arguing over track sequencing on Kid A.
To me TKOL has a very deliberate and consistent mood, which is insular and kind of impersonal. Everything is weird and misshapen. The record is definitely subdued.
It’s more of a heroin record than an acid record, if that makes any sense….
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yeah, i find Amnesiac extremely disjointed too
In Rainbows has some of the best sequencing on a Radiohead album not called OK Computer, although i’m still pissed w/ what they did to Videotape.
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I liked the variety of songs on that string of records
they were flexing their versatility, and trying out many different types of compositions. I found that more engaging/interesting
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
you mean Kid A/Amnesiac?
i liked it a lot too- don’t get me wrong, my sequencing comments above do not specifically reflect on my view of the albums. in my view it is hard to destroy an album through poor sequencing, you can really only improve it with good sequencing. i don’t think Amnesiac was ordered well at all, but i really did enjoy the extreme track variety.
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I always figured the idea with Kid A/Amnesiac was
to destroy as much flow as possible. I mean, Treefingers is right in the middle of the Kid A, between How To Disappear and Optimistic.
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kid A - Amnesiac - Hail To The Thief
all had great variety… kinda reminded me of Faith No More in that respect (one of the greatest bands ever)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, variety is very important in an ablum
First you have variety, then you make the songs mean something or tap into some kind of tone or feeling, then you make all of the songs on the album relate to eachother in some way.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
agreed on OKC/IR sequencing
I didn’t know Videotape before it came out, but I dig the Steve Reich treatment on the drums. It was just Thom & the piano at live shows before the record came out, right?
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I liked that
if I had to hazard a guess….it’s a lot more dramatic and less nostalgic than the studio version, which I think fits the lyrics better. It’s fun to compare the early versions of Reckoner too.
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yeah, i have always noticed the disconnect between the lyrics and the vibe of that version
i love it though.
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In Rainbows has some great emotional songs
Reckoners, All I Need, that piano song whose name escapes me right now.
So does Hail to the Theif, which is a great album, although it has some really bad songs on it.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, Hail to the Thief has some terrible songs
that’s why i’ve never warmed up to it as an album in quite the same way. there are GREAT tracks on it too though (A Wolf at the Door, Where I End and You Begin, etc)
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My favorites are Sail to the Moon and Go to Sleep
Go to Sleep kind of sounds like Friends by Led Zeppelin.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
just curious
which songs would you say are terrible on Hail?
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I really liked myxomatosis
can’t remember what the gloaming is
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
in a completely empty context, i might have liked it too
but in the context of that album, i had a very hard time with it.
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they should be ringing they should be ringing
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I read somewhere that Yorke
was obsessed with myxomatosis as a kid.
I heard a leaked version of that album before it came out and when it got to that track I was convinced it was a joke. I love it though. That super-distorted bass sound is such a shock when it comes in.
I was just glad you didn’t say We Suck Young Blood cause I love that shit. It’s Radiohead trolling everybody that wants to hear more than 8 bars of the bridge.
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that's one I always expect people to hate
cause of the way it’s structured….sludgy bullshit heroin jazz for a couple minutes, then the fucking throwdown in the bridge, and then it immediately goes back to the sludge. In a song about vampires (or the music industry).
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TKOL is definitely emotional
Codex? Giving Up The Ghost? I mean, it’s a bit detached compared to Rainbows, but still….
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Codex sounds like a really, really lame version of Pyramid song
Yeah, I think Ghost is the best song on the album.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, no I like seperator the best
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
the only song on in rainbows that I remember well
is Weird Fishes (one of the best Rhead songs)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Heh, I'm not surprised you like that chitown
My friend, who’s a big jazz guy, loves that song as well.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Weird Fishes is fantastic
right up there with Life in a Glasshouse in the Radiohead song pantheon for me.
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o/
for life in a glasshouse.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
but my favorite radiohead track ever is still probably Motion Picture Soundtrack
one of the most beautiful things ever.
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haha
I love this. I always skipped that song too. It’s wonderful for what it is but I never felt like something was missing if I didn’t bother with it.
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yup
I think pretty much everybody loves every second of OKC though.
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nah, I can't stand Let Down
Airbag kind of sucks, so does Lucky. And fitter, happier, whatever, is nothing.
that’s the radiohead alubm with the highest percentage of good songs in my opinion.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
OKC
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, just making sure
I like it pretty much start to finish. it works as a whole and separately. perfect album in that sense. my problem being with it, is that I’ve heard it so many freakin times that I have burned out on it… so I can only listen to it a few times a year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's definitely the most consistent album
Amnesiac would be the best if they were able to sustain its peak.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I am disappoint
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i am disappoint you like ty's lyrics
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think I like Kid A slightly more
and I love Hail to the Thief… but you can’t really beat OK Computer as a whole as an album.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
also I like wolf at the door a lot
and punchup at a wedding or whatever
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
another favorite of mine is National Anthem
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
That song gets really chaotic
Seems too ironic for me to really like it though.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
the end of Nat'l Anthem is a Mingus homage IIRC
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yeah, when it gets jazzy it's really good
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
monumental bass on Punchup
great vocals too. Hypocrite….opportunist….
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TKOL may have a consistent mood
But none of the songs are good IMO, and they all sound a like. I’m not sure what the mood is supposed to be.
I agree that Amnesiac doesn’t flow very well, but it has the 3 best Radiohead songs on it IMO (Pyramid Song, Life in Glasshouse and You and Whose Army).
Kid A and OK Computer probably have the best flow, but I don’t equate best flow with best album.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
interesting
Life In A Glasshouse was always one I skipped. It’s cool but it’s not why I drop that disk in the player at this point. Agreed on Pyramid & Army; I’m also to partial to Dollars & Cents and I Might Be Wrong. Spinning Plates isn’t super compelling, but the use of backwards audio on that song is fucking acheivement.
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well, the story of them flying out to LA in the winter to make an album
made me think of some classic rock stuff with neo-psychedelic overtones. the cover of the album backed up this expectation.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
i loved In Rainbows
and really didn’t like KOL, honestly. but i also never gave it that much of a chance.
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by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
it's deliberately inaccessible
it is a very challenging record. I’d say it’ll grow on you, but I loved it immediately. It is certainly very strange. Little By Little is worth it by itself.
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also, it's unforgivable that there is no Johnny Greenwood on the album
it sounds like a thom york solo album. and his lyrics are really bad on this.
“i’m such a tease and you’re such a flirt” WTF?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what those lyrics are about, so you've got me there
but Jonny is all over it.
if you want to hear what Thom sounds like without the other four guys, listen to the Eraser. It’s a terrific listen, but it just doesn’t compare to the five of those guys IMHO.
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there's one guitar on the album
in the last 3 minutes of seperater. where is greenwood all over it?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Little By Little has at least two ac guitar tracks going at all times
Giving Up The Ghost is nothing but ac guitar + vocals. Morning Mr Magpie has guitar all over it too. JG isn’t always playing guitar, btw.
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I feel like that's probably thom yorke playing that
way simpler than Greenwood’s guitar usually is. I should say the only semblance of a lead guitar is on seperater.
Have you heard his movie scores? He’s such an amazing musician, by far the most talented guy in that band.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
I've heard bits of Bodysong, but I haven't sat down with the whole thing yet
they probably don’t get to where they are today without Jonny, no.
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also, Pablo Honey was a crock of shit
not so sure about King of Limbs
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by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I don't even really think of that as a proper RH album
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no, but neither is kol IMO
there’s nothing interesting musically or tonally about any of the songs, except for the fact that they have weird drum beats.
radiohead was pretty damn consistent from Bends in In Rainbows IMO, but KOL was a huge dropoff.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
I've seen that before
it’s kind of batty, but there you go. I’ve also read interviews where he’s a lot more lucid.
I also hate that people fixate on Yorke so damn much. There are four other total badasses in that band.
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Colin's only 0.5 badasses
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by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
well I dunno about that but
Phil Selway is so underrated that it’s fucking painful
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truth.
i think Colin is just the most ordinary person in that band by an incredibly wide margin.
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by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Ed O'Brien?
Colin is a very good bassist IMO, uses the major scale a lot in his fills which always sounds great.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Ed is 6'5", makes bizarre sounds all the time, and is an absurdly good guitarist
i don’t mean to insult Colin’s musical ability by that comment- he is a phenomenally good musician. i am just commenting that i find him to be a more ordinary person than the other members of the band.
Thom is, well, a unique person. Jonny is a prodigy. Phil is an incredible drummer who gets little to no press for reasons i don’t understand. Colin is just a really good bassist.
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yeah, he's great
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
he strikes me as the type to try automatic writing of some sort, and then decide he didn't like the results too much
there are some songs on Kid A (and Amnesiac too, now that I’m thinking of it) that are clearly similar lyrically, but some of them aren’t. I always figured a good rule of thumb is the ones that are more “normal” musically had a more conventional lyric-writing process, and the ones that are more fucked up musically probably had some of the lyrics-in-a-hat stuff.
For exasmple, Lost At Sea has: “I’m lost at sea/don’t bother me/trap doors that open.” He refers to trap doors in at least Revolving Doors, and maybe one other track. How To Disappear, Optimstic, You and Whose Army etc were clearly not written that way though.
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So Elliott Smith
Neil Young has some great ones though: needle and the damage done.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
heh, that was on my mental list but I didn't add it to the spreadsheet
mostly because I was looking for break-up songs to agonize my sister.
Still not a werewolf.
good call there
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Elliot Smith in a landslide
I never did care for the Smiths. (ducks)
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morrissey is such a douche
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'm actually listening to The Smiths now
and yeah, I like Morrissey. But Elliott Smith is more depressing.
Still not a werewolf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMSU4QDbdew&feature=related
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I've had The Queen Is Dead on for the last 30 minutes, and last.fm is my witness.
besides, someone child-locked my door.
Still not a werewolf.
the first song on pandora for me today was "i know it's over." not a good sign.
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by d-dee on Dec 12, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
at least i'll admit it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Once again, this comment is absolutely true
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i'm on a roll today...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
step 1) make factually correct statements
step 2) make them interesting
step 3) start meme
step 4) ??
step 5) profit
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
ceeelebraaate good times COME ON
BJRains B.J. Rains
Source confirms Cardinals will non-tender Ryan Theriot. Club also agrees to a two-year contract with Schumaker. Should be announced shortly.
i know it was a foregone conclusion, but still brings a smile to my face to read it
by Wombat x on Dec 13, 2011 12:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
the good outweighs the bad doesnt it?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 13, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
bj rains doing his best to earn veb fred
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lololololol
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
(half-hearted fist pump)
Whither K-Mac?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
dear god
BJRains B.J. Rains
Kyle McClellan and Jason Motte were both tendered contracts. Schumaker agrees to two-year deal. Ryan Theriot is the only one non-tendered.
i just hope/assume we are going to trade kmac? please? right?
so he basically got 2 out of 4 right
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm putting the anthrax in the envelope now...
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 13, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
You're lucky that I'm going to have to blow this thread up entirely
otherwise the FBI would get you.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
anthrax dioxin government ammonium nitrate
NSA will be shutting down SBN shortly
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
NSA doesn't monitor domestic websites...
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
that's what they want you to think
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
goddammit.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHAT THE FUCK IS KYLE MCCLELLAN DOING ON THIS TEAM AGAIN
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I heard they are going to hire him out as home run derby pitcher
and schu will be more of a cheerleader than anything else
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Good Idea
Bad Idea
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna rec it anyway, cause we already knew about Skip
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Know whats awful and sad?
Theriot was actually worth .1 WAR more than Skip last season, and we’re signing that man to a two-year contract.
/Vomit
by ViperLjs on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, I actually think Theriot is a more useful player than Skip
At least Theriot can probably field a position where he could be platooned usefully.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
a badminton birdie
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
how do you delete your facebook?
my mom hacked mine and she’s reading all of my messages.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
you "deactivate" it. you can't delete it.
also, change your password?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
she's on it now, so that won't help
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
how do you deactivate?
i don’t really want it anymore anyway.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
This is like a real time fire drill.
I’m worried you aren’t going to make it out of the fire.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
tell you mother to leave you the fuck alone
geez
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you can delete it.
you can’t log in for two weeks or else it will stop the deletion process.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Trip all the breakers in the house until the computer goes down,
then change the password ASAP.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
could you just delete all the messages?
this is like one of those 90s movies scenes where two people are typing at each other as fast as possible on powerbooks with a bunch of wires trailing out of them.
JUST TELL ME HOW TO DEACTIVATE IT
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
TURN YOUR KEY!!! TURN IT NOW!
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WAIT! I JUST NEED 30 SECONDS!
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME! TURN YOUR KEY *NOW*! THAT'S AN ORDER!
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
haha
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
it's facebook
it takes an hour to find any privacy setting on that damn thing. google would do a better job than one of us trying to remember where it is.
4 8 15 16 23 42
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
(481) area code
is that in the pacific?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
she saw a conversation of me talking about "low dose"
and another one of me asking some guy to send me a naked picture of this girl. i am fucked.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
If you look into your teenage son's personal messages,
and you aren’t expecting to read about how he wants to see girls naked, then you are fucking naive.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
i am home, but i'm staying at my dads house
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
i didn't know you're folks were divorced, that sucks man
is she going to tell your dad & try & make him make a big deal about it?
Balls
she already did, but he ain't care
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
ah so he's the cool parent, good for you
but she’s still going to give it to you when you go to her house
Balls
yeah
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry man. That's awful.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
you should just turn it back on her
for the fact that she is snooping through your facebook messages.
what can I do?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
i dunno make her feel guilty for snooping
i mean what she did is worse then you having a message about a naked girl
Did she find the Penny pitch fx?
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 13, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Big time LOLS
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
true, you can
but i believe it involves submitting requests and emailing them, then the account being ‘deactivated’ for an extended period before eventually being deleted
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
i'm sure she hacked it
rather than figuring out your password somehow.
/pet peeve
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
i am very sorry.
i love symmetry too much.
i’m done now.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
no she didn't hack it, but that sounds cooler
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
There's nothing cool about getting hacked by your parents
I’ve caught my dad still using the AOLs.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
pujolscrieswhen deedee changes her relationship status to "it's complicated."
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
shut off the breaker that goes to that room
that’ll buy you a few minutes at least
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
by nota bene on Dec 13, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
quick
post your moms phone number and we’ll prank call her to distract her while you figure this out
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i'd call her for real
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
"Hi this is d-dee, kindly fuck off please"
thanks d-dee.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
email it to me.
I can be very convincing. Also don’t use the hotmail because it was hacke…oh god…your mom is hacking us all.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
you can't delete a facebook account
the reasons for which basically come down to facebook being pretty sleazy
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
thanks for doing this, by the way.
i’ve enjoyed all the songs.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Great! I love Christmas music,
I figured there would be at least a couple more out there that did.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Thurl Ravenscroft is a badass.
BADASS.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Might I recommend...
Fairytale of New York by The Pogues/Kirsty McCall.
Some parts NSFW, audio-wise.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
Sorry...
Click this one instead. The first was a crappy “fanmake” of the video.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
We're just having a moderate freak-out.
How are you?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
save yourself a headache
and don’t look at the threads lol
by miamigirl54 on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF LIFE
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
And you would like to know would not you? But what does it mean to you?
by Turing Test on Dec 13, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
have you met SmarterChild?
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
She is a good friend of mine, thank you for asking. Do you know her?
VEB WINTER MEET-UP DISCUSSION
SIGN PRINCE FIELDER
i see what you did there
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Have you seen clankbot recently? Has he been putting on weight or is it just me?
by Turing Test on Dec 13, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I am sorry. I was concerned. Are you doing ok?
by Turing Test on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Is that what you think that I am doing?
by Turing Test on Dec 13, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Who are you and have you done with clankbot?
by Turing Test on Dec 13, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
This is like a bad game of question master
in circle of death.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I'm definitely a person.
I just don’t have the same emotional capacity of others.
VEB History: The robot meme started because I argued that clubhouse chemistry was inconsequential. In the few seconds a batter is at the plate or a pitcher is throwing a pitch, they aren’t thinking about how much they hate Colby Rasmus or love playing with Matt Holliday. Since baseball is essentially a series of interdependent but also demarcated events, chemistry is less important that other sports where the sense of team is much greater.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
These events do appear to be independent.
But as we know with increasing certainty, everything is connected.
by Turing Test on Dec 13, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i knew that azru's post was going to produce a classic response.
well done, Turing Test.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
You never talked to SmarterChild?
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 13, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
it was an AIM bot
mostly answered questions with more questions. this seems to be in the same ilk
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 13, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
OHAI 2003
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
It's nice weather that we are having, is it not?
by Turing Test on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
As compared to what?
You don’t think the previous weather was nice, or you don’t think the future weather will be palatable?
probably a werewolf.
by clankbot on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I enjoy weathers of many varieties.
Are there some that you have a preference for?
by Turing Test on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm giving you each one rec, but accept them as being for the entire thread.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Er, subthread
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
I try not to limit my views.
Wouldn’t you agree that parsing the spectrum to “nice” and “not nice” is limiting?
probably a werewolf.
It is true that all things exist only as themselves.
Yet, do we not experience them sometimes in different ways?
But is it necessary to quantify them using subjective and arbitrary labels?
Instead of appreciating their differences and uniqueness?
probably a werewolf.
These labels are simply tags
by which we can communicate our unique responses to stimuli, which may be positive or negative. Linguistically, these have negative and positive meanings, yet in a more objective stance we may simply see that they are different. All things simply are what they are, so that the things which we ascribe as meaning fall away as ephemera. Was this not clear?
autocorrect would have gotten this
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
shut up gdm
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
thoughts?
@RobRains
Interested to see if Cards consider signing LH reliever Hong-Chih Kuo, non-tendered by Dodgers. Rays did make offer to LH J.P.Howell.
all i want for Chanukah is Hong-Chih Kuo.
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see it
I feel like you can get a mediocre-to-average LOOGY at any point in the baseball season if you dig around for one, so the offseason’s the perfect time to take a risk on a guy who could be the rare great LOOGY.
sure...
but we’ve still got six righties in the ’pen right now. which one you taking out?
motte/boggs/k-mac/sanchez/lynn/salas
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
in other news, tony la russa says
it was all about the money. (nicely.).
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
well, apparently tlr hasn't met diedre
There are also perceptions that Pujols was disgruntled by offers the Cardinals gave him prior to becoming a free agent, but La Russa described those as exaggerated.
“Albert does a terrific job of separating his business life and his professional athletic life,” La Russa said. "You could never tell form his work, the way he went about his business, the way he was a teammate, a winner and everything else.
“In all negotiations, sometimes you get a little disappointed — or a lot disappointed — but it never was serious, and I just think, when the whole thing started, a lot of us felt: Here’s a terrific organization, a great player, they were going to try and both be as reasonable as they could, make an agreement. But if somebody came out — not just the Angels, but the Marlins did, and there was another club there that came out there very, very strong — if one of those clubs came out, it’s hard to walk away from that.”
Part of the reason Tony retired?
Speculate.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
feels a little odd
but he was either dead on or way off, so not that weird
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
i've been drinking
but that’s not exactly unusual
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
aye
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
this.
i needed to be drunk to deal with VEB tonight…
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "YOU PEOPLE"?
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I'm going to go ahead and grab my Jameson, I think.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
wanna bring that over here?
all i have left in the house is baileys and this horrific red colored vodka.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I'll drop you a line when I am in Eugene.
I might be getting a stipend to go write about an event there next year so we’ll see.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
cool
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Going to kitchen for rum & coke now.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
getting there
this whole offseason shit sucks. I need baseball
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
trying
a couple beers, a bottle of wine, starting in on manhattans now…
I have exactly one exam left in my entire academic career,
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
it's bittersweet
I don’t want school to end, I have a feeling real life is going to be so, so much worse
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
does it count for anything
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
SCOLDING THREAD
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
"Dear idiots, STFU
<3 -the robot"
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
odds that the mods just completely destroy this thread?
i vote please.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
those who destroy threads are doomed to repeat them.
~ danupbaby
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just because you don't want to destroy it doesn't mean you have to sign it to a two year deal.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
that would be destroying the collective intellectual progress
that has been made by veb in this thread, however little it is
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
quiet you
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
This is half-assed and I don't even care.
Everyone over to the new thread. I’m blowing this thing up.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
don't actually nuke the thread
fun fact: this very post got linked from the main sb nation blog today.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly,
this might be the worst thread of VEB ever. Almost certainly this year.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
there were some ok parts
well, no, i guess, not really
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo
by tehzachatak on Dec 13, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say worst ever
certainly not great. really just a bunch of ugly isolated incidents in the same thread.
Maybe your memory is better than mine but what thread was worse?
Or are we simply playing the odds?
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
some of the game/postgame threads from the 2009 playoff "run" are bad.
some of the threads from the 2006 run are bad.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I'm assuming something was worse in the 2009 area
we’ve had worse all-the-way-to-the-right one-on-one flamewars, too. so I figure at some point both of those came together and made a less pleasant thread than this one.
multiple FS-VEP subthreads have been worse than the ones here.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
that's a good point
and all those deleted TPG fanposts.
Ok, I retract worst ever but damn this was a bad thread.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
those deleted fanposts probably contain some of the worst threads...
this was bad, but probably not in my top 5. and you know i’ve been here a loooooong time.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
aw, i hadn't realized you and i were 9 days apart...
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
That makes sense now.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
also
is there a way to tell how long have i actually been a member? my profile says march ’08, but i really thought it was before then. was there some glitch there or something?
hmmm
i must have been a lurker for a good while then. wait, is there an account for the handle spidyman15? i used to use that on various blogs in my younger years during the mv3 time frame.
that doesn't bode well for your final tomorrow.
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Dec 13, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you know, that long winded guy that pretends to like me.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
woof.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I won't post 10 consecitive .gifs then.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
This is what I feared when Pujols went away
Mozeliak is making moves based on fan emotion rather than identifiable baseball performance. Furcal wasn’t worth anywhere near $7M a year (probably more like $2-$3M), but he felt compelled to make sure Furcal stayed on the team. Same with Schumaker.
Troubling, to say the least.
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