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The aggregate Pujols

Recreating the aggregate is the idea of deriving the production of a certain lost player using others. It's generally thought of in the context of the loss of a superstar and was coined by Billy Beane after the departure of Jason Giambi from the Oakland A's in 2001. Giambi is no Pujols, but at the time he was coming off of a 9.3 WAR season. Pujols, on the other hand, only posted 5.1 WAR- the worst of his career, indicating the depth of the team that he is leaving behind. That said, the Cardinals finished behind by six games (to a Prince Fielder-less Brewers team) and also have not signed Rafael Furcal. There is the addition by subtraction of the retirement of Ryan Franklin, the departure of Miguel Batista, and the emergence of the young, good bullpen. After a few calculations, the team needs to make up around two Pujolses to have a comfortable shot at the division title. Where will this aggregate production come from?

First Base

It's actually possible to lose less than a Pujols by losing Pujols. Lance Berkman is projectable for 3.5 WAR at first, Craig for 3.5-4 WAR in the outfield. In this cascade of changes, Craig's spot on the bench opens up, and we can assume we lose at least 1 WAR there. This is a 3.5 WAR decline from the Pujols-having Cardinals.

Prince Fielder erases this discrepancy, but he is going to cost a lot of money. Having just avoided an albatross contract for a defensively limited superstar, Fielder will have to come relatively cheaply to be a good value, and even a six year contract is probably too long and at $25M or so per year, too expensive. Pass.

The Middle Infield

The middle infield is the most obvious spot where we could derive an additional Pujols, but as yet we haven't even added enough talent to assure the same production as last season. Mind-blowing as it may be, Ryan Theriot, Skip Schumaker, around 1/3 a season of Furcal, and Nick Punto combined for 4 WAR (mostly from Furcal and Punto despite their small amount of playing time). Greene and Descalso project at roughly 3 WAR and the bench player that plays behind them (Pete Kozma excepted) should be worth 1 WAR, and we have another player around replacement level, leaving us no worse off than we were last year.

The upside is if Furcal takes the place of Greene, Greene takes the place of Kozma, and Descalso plays against fewer left-handed pitchers. We gain 1.5-2 WAR. Punto's resigning adds another middle infielder and probably another 1 WAR, for an overall gain of 2.5 WAR.

Other scenarios exist where we trade for Stephen Drew, sign Jimmy Rollins (ugh), or trade for another player (Alexei Ramirez, Emilio Bonifacio (also ugh), etc).

Adam Wainwright (Pitching)

This is another area where we stand to gain big, the only question is how big. In a good, healthy year, Waino is worth one Pujols on his own, and he is replacing our worst pitcher- Kyle Mcclellan, who bounces around replacement level. Wainwright's three year average projection is 3.9 WAR. His Bill James projection is 4.8 WAR. I'm going to assume 4.0, but the upside for higher and the downside for lower is certainly there. The rest of our rotation, Carpenter, Lohse, Westbrook, and Garcia, is set in stone and only a blockbuster acquisition would supplant the sunk cost of Westbrook and Lohse's remaining contracts.

Yu Darvish and Hiroki Kuroda are the two starters who make the most sense for us in this case, since both are substantial improvements on Westbroke. They are polar opposite in terms of career and price position. Kuroda is likely to make a similar salary to Westbrook and to be available for a short term deal. Between posting and contract, Darvish is likely to command a price similar to Prince Fielder in the mid 100 millions (50-75M posting fee, 75M contract). Kuroda is a 1-2 WAR improvement on Westbrook. Darvish's valuation requires a bit of math.

In Japan, his K rate has been 8.9 for his career, but it has been higher in recent years, reaching almost 11 K/9 last year. His BB rate in Japan is 2.36/9 career but is also trending positively, reaching a fantastic 1.39/9 last year. In my mind there is no question that Darvish would be a fantastic pitcher in the states. Assuming the jump is equivalent to AAA to MLB, Darvish can be reasonably assumed to be an ace and a 5 WAR pitcher.

Our bullpen is also likely to provide a boost compared to last season, when they recieved almost -4.0 WAR from Franklin, Batsita, Miller, Tallet, and McClellan. The average team got 2.6 WAR from their pen last year. The Cardinals derived 0.7 WAR despite huge seasons from Motte and Salas. I am pegging this at a 2 WAR increase.

The Outfield

As of now, our OF is Holliday, Jay, and Craig along with the recently rule V'd Komatsu. I've covered Craig, so the main thing I want to talk about with our OF is how much worse our CF projects to be next year than last. Last year the Cards got 4.1 WAR from JazyRasmus and Jay, and I can't imagine a world where Jay projects to repeat that production. Given continued BABIP luck and defensive adequacy, Jay is worth 2.5-3 WAR. He still flashes surprising power but his plate discipline leaves a lot to be desired. He has the potential to repeat last year in more innings, but he is also a rather frightening candidate for overexposure and a crushing slump. He is decent against leftiest although he hits for almost no discernable power against them. With relatively little depth and a lack of a RH CF, a few names have been talked about as RH options to join our OF rotation: Carlos Beltran, Coco Crisp, Andruw Jones, Mike Cameron and Cody Ross.

Jones is, in my opinion, the worst option. He's essentially done as a center fielder, and isn't exactly killing it on offense either. He would be a nice second or third option, in the same way that Jay would be a nice first or second option.

Okay, maybe Jones is the second worst option. Mike Cameron was below replacement level last season, seems to have no heart left for the game, and is 38.

Cody Ross is arguably the best option that will play for league minimum (assuming Coco Crisp gets a real contract). Still an average-ish CF, not old, and above average against lefties. He is the bench bat/defensive replacement I would most prefer and is certainly 1-2 WAR better than our current RH CF option (Shane Robinson?).

Crisp can probably still hack it as a full-time CF and is a limited but decent offensive player. He probably projects better than Cody Ross, though I am not sure he would actually be better.

Carlos Beltran is the only person worth a real contract here. A natural righty with a weird power-one-side patience-one-side split, he is still flat-out fantastic on offense on both sides. His defense is bad. There's a lot of danger here, but Beltran would arguably be our second best hitter right now and his projection is probably around 3.5 WAR. His signing would complicate matters in the outfield and at first base, but between him and Lance Berkman there are probably only two intact knee joints. They will both need the rest. His contract demands are unknown to me, but if he could be had for a year at $10M or two years at 6-8M each I think he is a good bet to return surplus value on those deals.

And before I forget: Yoennis Cespedes. He's the CF version of Yu Darvish, if reports are to be believed. For us, he is a strong buy. We don't have the young, top-end talent in position players, and we aren't going to strike Lance-Berkman-shaped gold veins every year. God knows what his Cuban league stats mean- they might as well have been posted in the Martian-Lunar Summer League, but the reports are good and the reports are saying $40-50M. In order to return value on that investment he only needs to approximate Jay's production, and we are in something of a position to take risks like this. The main problem is that he doesn't play shortstop. I'm not even going to hazard a guess at his likely WAR. I assume it will be somewhere between negative 0.5 and 12.7.

Other/Postscript

Internal assets also exist. The three that seem most likely to make a splash in 2011 are Ryan Jackson, Matt Carpenter, and Shelby Miller.

Carpenter had nothing left to prove last year during spring training, and he...continues to have nothing left to prove. He needs to be given a shot on this team, and between him and David Freese, I am confident that the team will not be further cursed by 3B, although I don't see it as a position where huge gains will be made. Perhaps 1-2 WAR from lil Carp.

Ryan Jackson on a good day is maybe a 1-100 shot to make the team this year. He isn't likely to set the world on fire if he does, in any case, since his strong defense, pray-his-offense-isn't-terrible offense is usually only a skillset worth 1-2 WAR.

Shelby Miller likely will spend the entire season in AAA, but if an injury occurs and he ends up replacing Westbrook or Lohse, he could add 1 WAR over their production on the season. More likely, Lynn, Boggs, and AAA backups to backups will fill in and be, hopefully, adequate.

And Finally

My numbers say we get a Pujols back from our pitching alone. Waino plus Motte's apple Salsa in the bullpen are big upgrades over their predecessors. I don't think we pick up a Pujols with any other internal moves, but there is always the possibility of a Tyler Greene breakout (I guess). Furcal and Punto add about half a Pujols. Fielder or Darvish certainly adds a Pujols but basically soaks up the savings of the original Pujols leaving and does it on a pretty high risk, long-term contract. Beltran could easily add a Pujols, and he could easily require another knee surgery in April. His median projection is around half a Pujols, but he might come at only a third of the cost, making him one of the favored moves. Cespedes adds somewhere between zero and five Pujolses, and I kind of like the sound of that as well.

On a scale of likelihood, to me, it seems to be Furcal first, Beltran second, stand pat or make incremental moves like Punto and Cody Ross third, a trade for a MIF fourth, Cespedes fifth, Kuroda infinitesimally likely, Darvish in my dreams, and Fielder in John Mozeliak's nightmares.

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Good post

I agree with your order of moves, and I think we should sign Furcal and Beltran to two year deals, and then re-sign Punto for like 1 million (this should be a no-brainer).

Next year, lots of contracts will be coming off the book, and the MIF free agent market looks strong. I would sign Aybar, who is a 3-4 WAR player and will still be pretty young.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

At this point I am a bit disappointed that we signed Berkman.

I know he was great for us but if we could have had Beltran and Reyes instead of Berkman/Pujols we are better off defensively and not worse on offense for substantially less money.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 10, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Berkman was some pre-insurance against Pujols not signing

We didn’t know how things would shake up with Reyes, and Berkman is cheaper than Beltran. I don’t think Beltran is that much better than Craig, offensively or defensively. But he’s definitely the best free agent out there.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The FA market is just a bloody mess this year.

Between the moronic Pujols, Wilson, and Buehrle contracts, we really need to be careful how we spend. I head 40 for Cespedes but I bet he gets much more with the current hysterical climate.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 10, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Cespedes and Darvish are such dangerous moves...

I wish the Cardinals were able to take chances like these, though.

Sign Cody Ross

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 10, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Cespedes even MLB-ready?

Has a cuban league positional player EVER jumped immediately to the majors and performed well? I had heard that the Cuban league was roughly equivalent to single-A.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 10, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the main thing is that unlike Chapman, who basically just throws hard,

Cespedes actually shows the tools necessary to be a good player. His walk rate is over 10%, and he his for a lot of power. The only reason I assume he is ready is that he would have to be to be worth bringing on- he’s 25 so he isn’t exactly raw at this point.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 10, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Alexei Ramirez did, basically

He has a crappy UZR his first year in the bigs, but he’s basically been an average hitter with good defense in the majors.

by mattybobo on Dec 10, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Punto is definitely a no-brainer.

The Braves are eager to snatch him up so he most cost more than a million, but less than 2.

Sign Cody Ross

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 10, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

How many innings pitched do you think Wainwright gives us this year?

180ish?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 10, 2011 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

193 2/3

Unfortunately, this will be good for 2nd on the team.

Sign Cody Ross

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 10, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

170

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 10, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool piece, hazel

I’m hoping “Westbroke” and “JazyRasmus” were intentional.

by mattybobo on Dec 10, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I really love Allen Craig

but do you not think that 3.5-4 WAR is hugely optimistic? I find it hard to believe he’s more than a .350 wOBA hitter, and we don’t know how the injury is going to affect him. Even pre-injury I’d have found it hard to project him for much more than 2-3 WAR.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 11, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

With his knee surgery and likelihood of missing the entire first month of the season (if not longer),

I’d say it’s impossible.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 11, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

Cody Ross for the league minimum? Not sure if serious? I’m guessing he’s looking for 2-3 years and a decent AAV. Ross and Crisp are maybe tied for third best OF still on the market this year, behind Beltran and maybe (depending on your projection for him and view of his recent injury history) Drew.

I definitely agree with you in pretty much all cases in terms of acquisiton (we’ve got Furcal, now I really want Beltran but if that’s not feasible, both Ross and Crisp are adequate guys who fit our needs well, and I think there’s probably at least 250 PAs for a Nick Punto-type in this team as well), but I’d say otherwise most of the projections in this post seem severely rose-tinted.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 11, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Any specific area you're seeing a bias?

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 11, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously this is all opinion but, here goes:

I think your bullpen projection looks fair.

Craig, like I said, 3.5-4 WAR seems extremely optimistic. Even healthy I’d put him more in the 2-3 bracket. You did take into account the fact that moving him into the lineup weakens the bench, though.

Likewise, I think 2.5-3 WAR is probably pushing it for Jay (your point about “given continued BABIP luck” is somewhat moot, I think we can’t possibly make that assumption when projecting him).

I also think basically projecting Greene, Descalso and “a backup” (Donovan Solano??) to be worth 4 WAR is optimistic. I’d say they’d be better projected to put up about half that, especially with the terrible depth we have at the moment. I reckon perhaps a combo of Furcal, Descalso, Greene and Punto will be league average or a tick above. I’d find it hard to project any of those guys with great assurance for an above-average year, and I think it’s possible that any of them could be replacement level. I guess it’s hard to gauge, before we see the Chone and ZiPS projections, though.

Overall, I agree that the dropoff from Pujols won’t be as great as people seem to think, although I reckon it’s pretty clear that just getting Wainwright back and giving Craig a few more PAs isn’t going to balance it out alone. That said, I reckon Beltran (or Ross) and Mike Gonzalez make us a true-talent 90 win team (or even a touch above).

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 12, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me show a bit of my work to justify the numbers:

My MIF calculation pegged Tyler Greene and Dan Descalso each for 1.5 WAR. For Greene: +7.5 positional adjustment, +20 replacement, -5 defense (total SS UZR/150 of 0.8), -5 hitting (.316 projected wOBA is -1.5 runs)=1.75 wins x 85% playing time=1.49 WAR.

Descalso: +2.5 positional adjustment, +20 replacement, -2.5 defense, -2.5 offense=1.75 wins x 85% playing time=1.49 WAR

Craig: -7.5 positional, 20 replacement, +0 defense (4.5 OF UZR/150), +30 offense(.360 wOBA vs .399 2011 wOBA) = 4.25 wins x 85% playing time=3.6 WAR. Craig’s projection might seem crazy but there is a bit of cushion built in for defense (which he appears to be above average at but is calculated at average), and his wOBA of .360 is well below his 2011 wOBA. The problem with Craig is that his playing time could go down drastically if his recovery stretches into the season.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ross is seeking 3 years/18 million

I think he gets 2 years between 9 and 11 million

Sign Cody Ross

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 11, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

For a guy his age and with his production

neither would be grossly unfair. I thought he’d probably end up getting something like 2 years, $12m-ish, which would be a decent bargain, but with the OF market being so thin, equally it wouldn’t shock me if he got $20m+ somewhere.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 12, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Now

that , can y’all stop being so damned good?

Signed
A jealous Pirates fan

From outside perspective, I can’t imagine how much it sucks to see Pujols leave. No matter how hard you try, it still is a gut punch in the worst way. It goes beyond baseball. However, there will still be games to play, and I have come here to assuredly (sadly from my perspective) that the Cardinals will be just fine. It won’t be the same, I’m sure, but y’all have a fine team, a good GM, and a great farm system to boot.

I don’t look forward to watching Pirates pitchers get Holliday or Berkman out or attempt to scratch out a hit against Wainwright or Carpenter, and that’s just this coming season. Shelby Miller just looks mean, like he’s going to steal my Christmas presents. I think he’s gonna be a great one.

Anyway, just came to maybe cheer you up a bit. Good luck this coming year, although I doubt y’all will even need it. Plus, that world series still feels awfully good I’m sure. Maybe one day….

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 11, 2011 11:25 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

Luckily for both of us, the Brewers look to be in serious trouble.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 11, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hear Hear

man.

Hope they don’t get Aramis either. Zach Greinke can go back to being miserable.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 11, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume Greinke will bounce back.

The crushing blow is the combination of Fielder’s absence and Braun’s suspension.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 11, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant

he will be miserable himself since he will be back on a mediocre team like the Royals. He’s a fantastic pitcher clearly.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Great to hear from a Pirates fan. They are my second-favorite team, even when they beat the Cardinals. It all stems from watching Clemente play baseball with everything he had. Always wished he played for the BotB.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya

I never got to see him in person. Too young unfortunately. I’ve heard many a story from my dad and granddad though. Great stuff and a great human being.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 12, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way,

I’ve never met a Pirates fan that wasn’t super knowledgeable about baseball and extremely friendly. I’d be way, way happier to lose the division to you guys than any of the other NL central team.

Not to mention that I think of this every time I think of the Pirates, and that article still makes me giggle years later.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 12, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, Cardinals can offset loss of Pujols

Maybe not all of it but I’d say half of it from just what they’ve done so far and the fact they are getting Wainwright back, even when you account for aging from the likes of Berkman and Carpenter.

by Xeifrank on Dec 12, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

I think the main thrust is that the team is essentially as good as they were last season,

but that the team last season was only a 90 win team, meaning they still need a few more wins to give them a 60% or greater chance to take the division. Now that they have Furcal, I think they probably project as a 91-92 win team. They have Schumaker too, so that somewhat dampens the gain.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

But they were a much better team in the seonc half

which is closer to the team they have now. Dotel will be missed, he was real glue in the bullpen. Pujols is gone and now Punto is gone. Laird shouldn’t be missed.

I think their biggest concern has to be Carp. He had elbow issues at the end of the year and I think if he goes down, we look very exposed.

I love Beltran for 2/20 which is rumored but I think I would trade from strength (Freese) and try to pull in a number 3 starter. Worst thing that happens is that Westy moves to bullpen or accepts a trade. Freese has to hve huge surplus vlaue on trade market and I’m a big believer in selling high.

Just win

by The Duke on Dec 15, 2011 6:15 AM EST up reply actions  

No the point is that is Waino and the bullpen replaces Pujols.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 20, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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