Albert Pujols & the St. Louis Cardinals Triple Crown
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 10:27 AM EST
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Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch pioneered the analysis of an individual club Triple Crown and he did so in the context of the greatness of Albert Pujols as a member of the St. Louis Cardinals. Earlier in the season, when Pujols got off to a slow start, I took a look at the possibility that he would not win the St. Louis Cardinals Triple Crown in 2011. Pujolsian production from mid-May to season's end allowed Pujols to make up the gap. Despite missing time due to his wrist injury, Pujols still managed to win the counting stat categories. It was only in batting average that he trailed any teammate--Lance Berkman by two points and Yadier Molina by six points.
A look at Pujols's St. Louis Cardinals rankings in the Triple Crown catgories after the jump.
|
YEAR |
AVG. |
HR |
RBI |
|
2001 |
.329 (1) |
37 (1) |
130 (1) |
|
2002 |
.314 (1) |
34 (1) |
127 (1) |
|
2003 |
.359 (1) |
43 (1) |
124 (1) |
|
2004 |
.331 (1) |
46 (1) |
123 (2*) |
|
2005 |
.330 (1) |
41 (1) |
117 (1) |
|
2006 |
.331 (1) |
49 (1) |
137 (1) |
|
2007 |
.327 (1) |
32 (1) |
103 (1) |
|
2008 |
.357 (1) |
37 (1**) |
116 (1) |
|
2009 |
.327 (1) |
47 (1) |
135 (1) |
|
2010 |
.312 (1***) |
42 (1) |
118 (1) |
|
2011 |
.299 (3****) |
37 (1) |
99 (1) |
*In 2004, Pujols finished second in RBI total to Scott Rolen, who drove in 124 runs.
**In 2008, Pujols tied Ryan Ludwick in HR total.
***In 2010, Pujols and Holliday tied on the databases but Holliday had a BA a bit higher.
****In 2011, Pujols finished behind Berkman (.301) and Molina (.305) in BA.
In advanced stats, Pujols also lagged behind. Berkman led the Cardinals with a .402 wOBA and Holliday posted a .393 wOBA. Pujols finished 2011 with a .385 wOBA. (Allen Craig finished 2011 with a .399 wOBA in 219 PAs.)
Using Fangraphs WAR, Pujols led the team by one-tenth of a Win Above Replacement. He finished the season with 5.1 fWAR, just ahead of Berkman (5.0) and Holliday (5.0). Molina finished the 2011 season with 4.1 Fangraphs WAR. Next on the position player list is Jon Jay (2.8) who is followed by David Freese (2.7).
It was a down year for Pujols when compared to the production of his career. Nonetheless it was still excellent even if it wasn't Pujolsian.
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there, now that I got that out of the way...
say you’re looking for the single metric that raises the biggest red flag for you about signing Albert to a long-term mega-contract. Is there one? What should it be?
Declining walk rate? The career low in doubles? Are none really so glaringly out of line with normal, gradual decline as to be a cause for concern?
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expanding the zone
Albert needs to quit doing that. When he’s right he doesn’t chase. Mac (or the new bc) needs to keep reminding him of that.
by OKCardsfan on Nov 8, 2011 10:46 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
and how his overall productivity has decreased each of the last 3 years
i realize BA is not popular anymore, but is a simple representation of how many time you get a hit when that is what you are trying to do, plus or minus a sac fly or two
TLR is gone, long live the king
A hitter's primary goal is to reach base, not to get a hit
Getting a hit is a nice way to reach base because it can result in multiple bases, but the simplest goal of any hitter is to not record one of his team’s finite 27 outs. That’s why us statheads are always rambling on about OBP instead. :)
That said, it is the most important component of OBP.
It’s the largest, and also the most valuable skill, really.
I'd say walking is the most important part.
You walk a lot, you are much much more likely to have a higher OBP.
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Depends on how you want to look at it and how you define important.
It’s much harder to make it to the majors without being able to hit than it is to make it without being able to draw a walk.
Most times on-base are the result of getting a hit, not drawing a walk.
Also a hit is usually more valuable than a walk. Even a single is usually more valuable than a walk.
Fair enough I guess.
There’s just a trend that guys who walk the most are the most valuable. Anybody who has a high OBP mostly because of average will undoubtedly not continue to have a high OBP unless you are Ichiro which is a rarity.
That’s how I looked at it.
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Yea, guys who have a high average and low BB rates do NOT age well.
Same seems to be true in reverse.
Disagree
If you can’t hit for some type of average, or power, you aren’t going to walk a lot. Pitchers are not going to throw balls to a guy who can’t hit.
Don’t believe me, go look at fan graphs and sort by the highest OBP. How many people are in the top 20 without power or a ~.290 average. (hint: i’ts one. Alberto Callaspo. He also has the lowest wOBA of the top 20 and comes in at 18th in OBP.)
Grit != flat out sucking.
No way
Power is easily the most important skill a hitter can have and it’s not particularly close. Power is why pitchers walk you. Power is what gets you into the 1-0 count in the first place…..which lets you hit for more power.
Mark Reynolds doesn’t have a good batting eye, has the worst contact ability in the league by a good margin, has a long swing……and he’s an above average hitter because he hits 500 foot bombs.
Not afraid to nitpick
speeed, yo
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 8, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hell no.
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by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oh right.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 8, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say walk rate.
The power’s still there (.242 ISO is second worst in career but he did play with wrist injury for a while). The ability to hit for average is still there (A .277 BABIP). He’s still a good fielder (+2.4 UZR and the eye approves as well for me).
However is walk rate is way down. Hopefully it’ll go back to 14% or I’m worried.
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I'm just amazed at how anyone can have a .328 career average with a .311 BABIP.
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Yeah that's pretty much the only reason for it.
That and striking out a low rate.
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Yeah, I never felt like he was totally "back" after the end of his slump because the walk rate didn't really return
However, his walk rate for the year did creep up to around 10% at one point, which means he was taking more walks for at least a while. Then it went back down again. Who know how much of it was something about his approach which could fix itself next year.
I'm going to convince myself this because I have too.
He was in a massive slump, the first that long in his career in April. In May he was trying to get out of it but was always just about to break out. Meanwhile Holliday and Berkman were tearing the cover off the ball and for the first time people would rather face Pujols than the people behind him which is partly due to the walks.
In June, he was finally out of it. He was 3-3 with a double and a homer and then he hurt his wrist. Momentum over. He took a few weeks to return and by that time it was too late. I think the whole year he tried too hard to get his average up and his walk rate suffered because of it.
Just my opinion.
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I kind of agree
It did seem like he was trying to get hits sometimes at the expense of just getting on base. Hopefully he can get that ironed out if it was the case.
seconded
I, also, think he was pressing much of the season (and to some extent during the WS). If he’s back, hopefully he’ll not have another slow start and will relax and let the hits come to him instead of trying to do too much as he seemed to be much of this past year.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't walk rate
typically the last thing to go for a hitter as they age?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
That's pretty much what I thought
So I am encouraged. I think his 2011 walk rate might just be flukey and/or related to his overall slump.
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Anyone have links to good high-res photo of Freese’s walkoff in Game 6? I was browsing around AP and SI looking for some, or even the celebration of Game 7. Anything really. Just good high res photos to use as wallpaper to get me through the off season.
Someone should do a Fanshot on this.
I’ve seen a few comments seeking similar high-resolution pictures for wallpapers.
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Not sarcasm.
I don’t know that anyone has replied to the comments but I’ve seen others ask. If folks have found high-resolution pics, we should compile links in a Fanshot or something.
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ok
I hit on a few if you google ‘AP Jeff Roberson’ and add a tag like “Freese” or World Series.
http://breslin7706.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/ap11102802494.jpg
Looks like Jeff Roberson was the AP’s main man at Game 6.
FWIW
I made this image to replace the Windows 7 lock/login screen if anyone is interested.
http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/nwpa61/stl.jpg
It’s set to 1920×1080 but will adjust to most wide screen formats. Won’t look good on an old school monitor.
by paposse on Nov 8, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet.
Made another. This one with a few of my favorite moments faded into the background.
by paposse on Nov 8, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
This is excellent. Can I steal it for my wallpaper?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
this should be green, this is very awesome
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2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I think you should put a Fanshot together on World Series wallpapers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sharing one image is what a Fanshot is for.
If you have multiple, I’d do a Fanpost.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
ok
I’ll post it then. In the meantime, here is the Picasa link.
https://picasaweb.google.com/nwpa61/VivaElPhotos?authuser=0&feat=directlink
Picasa resizes too
Use dropbox. It’s awesome. Put the file in your public folder, right click it and paste the link.
though interesting
you’ve got some kind of resize slider on that puppy. nice!
Photobucket
Just realized they were sizing the image down and I seem to have no rights to change it to the native 1920×1080.
Sorry. I’ll see if I can upload it to picassa via my gmail account.
BAAM that looks cool as my wallpaper!
thanks Paposse
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 8, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
meaning...
I keep finding the 300 pixel photos. Was hoping to find one to fill a 1920 × 1080 resolution.
Y2S linked one a few days ago
I poached it for my home machine, but I don’t have the link. Perhaps a search of his recent activity will turn it up.
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i think this is it
http://i.imgur.com/Uxu2D.jpg
it isn’t the greatest as a desktop background because of all thats going on, but it is high res.
i’m using it until i can find a better one.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Craig
So what does happen to Allen if Albert returns? Back to the milk carton? Traded? What is VEB’s consensus?
Get 400 PAs as a super utility/back up guy.
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by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. I predict a healthy 2012
for Holliday, but a DL-heavy 2012 for Berkman, perhaps he’ll even have his name monogrammed on a trainer’s room chair.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 8, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Any chance Craig or Holliday can man center field ?
I like Jay as a 4th outfielder. I can see many times when both Jay and Craig play (AL park; subbing for Holliday, Berkman, Freese. I just have a strong preference for maximizing Craig’s ABs. If Jay doesn’t start he can come in as a defensive replacement with a Cards lead.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
there's no way we start the year with craig as our starting centerfielder.
nor should we.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not on this train either.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
that's because there are no virgins allowed
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 8, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you can't say craig for 2B....
then agree with fritz in his “400 PA super utility guy” argument. what train are you on?
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps second base is a portion of the "super utility" role.
I doubt Craig plays a full season as the full-time second baseman.
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by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's more likely to be a super sub than the starting second baseman
But I would prefer him to be the starting second baseman. Well depends if we re-sign Punto.
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punto and descalso are very close going forward, imo.
therefore i don’t think punto resigning or not should change your opinion.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think Punto is a lot better than Descalso
They are even hitters IMO, and Punto is probably a win better on defense.
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well that's your opinion then.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I'm with you.
Descalso’s defense is massively overrated IMO due to a few plays he made when he first started at 3B.
He’s probably a tick above average on defense.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
Maybe we'll have a new
manager that only wants 2B-men to play 2B?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 8, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Who is covering the outfield then?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
This is after we have traded for Bourjos, who plays right-center field, and keep Holliday in left
Freese becomes catcher (because he probably played it once or twice), Yadi becomes a starting pitcher (he’s got one hell of an arm and can trade off with Freese at catching when he’s not pitching), Pujols moves to third base, Berkman to first, Craig, Furcal, and Greene round out the five-man infield.
Who will orchestrate this?
(unless TLR already had the subsequent post-retirement lineups pre-planned for 5 years)
by hangingfromatree on Nov 8, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
It turns out the next manager is actually a plant by La Russa
He knew his most diabolical lineup scheme would never be accepted because the team had built up a small, but crucial resistance to his plans. So he trained a secret acolyte to infiltrate the managerial position after his “retirement” from managing baseball. This successor will carry out his final, evil masterpiece.
Any outfield Bourjos is going to be better
because Bourjos is that good in the field.
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by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Pitch all sinkers, all the time!
Set new records for groundball outs and double plays! I told them it would be glorious, I did, but nobody believed me! Fool! FOOOOOOLLSSSS….
If Yadi pitches
is there a rule that prohibits a pitcher from throwing from his knees?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Hm, intriguing idea...
Throwing from such a position should help him attack the low part of the strike zone, I’d think.
but a downward trajectory for the ball (e.g. from a high release point)
induces more grounders
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(That's actually a serious question, I wanted to make sure that was clear since this whole subthread is completely silly)
(Also, I wonder if wacky sidearm guys and submariners get more ground balls)
Zeigler sure does
I think it’s probably a lot easier to get ground balls from same-handed hitters if you’re a sidearmer with a decent fastball.
i think a year ago
an article was linked here on the subject. i’m terrible with remembering the details – i’m only good for the gist.
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Submariners can't pitch worth a damn - there's no room inside to build a mound.
(I crack myself up.) Anyway, throwing sidearm with a standard 4-seam grip will produce lots of tailing action and very little “rise”, giving it quite a bit of sink. The same grip for a submarine pitcher will actually generate topspin and cause the pitch to dive. You actually need to use a breaking ball grip to get a submarine pitch to stay up.
Or at least that is what I remember when I messed around with it when I was a teen. I very definitely could be full of shit, though.
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It would be extremely hard to call a balk on.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
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by monkeysareblue on Nov 9, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree.
As last season demonstrated, there will be PAs for him as a utility/back-up. He’s likely penciled in as the starting RF in 2012 if Pujols returns.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I meant 2013, if Pujols returns.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Um, what about that guy called Buckman, or something like that
What about him – didn’t he start in RF a lot this year?
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I mis-typed. I meant 2013 if Pujols returns.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We just need to adopt the DH already
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
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NO
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by Valatan on Nov 8, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I used to be like that
But I can only take so many bunts, Ks, and double-switches.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
A bit more
I’d be curious as to why you think it’s worth keeping, but my general point is that not have a DH doesn’t make the game more exciting for me. Yes, a late pinch-hitter is exciting, but seeing a pitcher flail away or bunt 3 other times a game is a waste of an AB.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
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Well, I guess that there's a whole other league that you can watch.
I’m of the mind that if you are going to play the field, then you should grab a bat. This isn’t football. I also think that pitchers should be more proficient at hitting than most are. They need more time in the cage. Screw the DH. That’s the AL’s thing and let them keep it. There should be differences between the leagues.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, there shouldn't be differences.
The key word is shouldn’t. The DH needs to disappear from MLB altogether. It won’t, but it should.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
fine
There should be differences in that I don’t want it in the NL……ever.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I really did think this way
But, honestly, why is it better? You’re saying that in your heart you don’t like it, and Gibby just says “no.” I’ve been a Cards fan and and NL fan all my life, and I would not miss seeing pitchers bat one bit.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I'm with you. I'm pro-DH as well
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I like it split as it is. Non-DH puts more emphasis on the bench and depth.
However it would be a shame to see the careers of guys like Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Matt Stairs, Paul Molitor, etc. cut short because there is no DH. This way has good balance, I think.
Hasn't seemed to matter the last couple of WS though.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Different roster optimization
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The optimization is different, but both leagues optimize.
Obviously AL teams spend more money on their lineup and offense, but there’s no reason to think NL teams don’t spend that money on pitching or defense.
In 107 World Series played since 1903
the AL has won 62, or about 58% of the series. Since the DH was introduced beginning in 1973, the AL has won 21 of 38 WS, or 55% of them.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
so it would appear from these results
that the DH gives the AL no real advantage in the World Series.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to say with an n=38
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Eh, that's a pretty sizable sample given that it's just a set of binomial results.
It’s not like we’re computing an average with wild deviations. There aren’t any outliers to worry about. It’s clear that if there is an advantage at all, it is very slight.
If it's sizeable sample
Then we shouldn’t be saying “that if there’s an advantage at all, it is very slight.” If you feel the sample is ample, then the AL has a 5-point advantage.
I don’t think you can say there’s enough cases and say that 55/45 isn’t a skew towards the AL teams.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
ah, but
how about the fact that the “advantage” went DOWN (58% vs. 55%) after the introduction of the DH?
Really, I think this shows that the team matchup has much more to do with the outcome than what league/rules each team plays in.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, a different way to look at this is
prior to the DH, there were 69 WS, of which the AL won 41, or 59%. Since the DH, they have won only 55%.
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by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
This would be a better way to look at it.
But there are too many other factors to consider it a proper measure of the impact of the DH.
No, that's not how stats work.
It doesn’t matter how many times you flip a fair coin, the odds of getting exactly 50-50 results aren’t that high, even though that’s the true probability. What if the sample size is an uneven number? Then if there’s a 50-50 probability, the sample average will always be wrong.
I just ran it on my calculator, fwiw. The results clearly indicate a non-significant difference. t=.64, p=.52. So yes, you can absolutely say that there are enough cases and 55-45 is not a skew toward AL teams. That’s what the numbers indicate.
huh? doesn't this assume the teams are of equal quality?
it has been pretty well established that for years now the AL is a more talented league, DH not withstanding. relative talent levels have vastly changed over time.
a better way to try to try to isolate the effect of a DH would be looking at the vastly larger sample of interleague games and correcting for homefield advantage, i think
There are definitely problems with using WS results as a method of measuring the impact of a DH.
These results only show that the AL-representative does not have an advantage over the NL-representative in winning a 7 game series.
In truth, to answer the DH question you would have to control for quality of the FO, dollars spent, etc. As well as the homefield advantage that you mention. I don’t think interleague results would properly control for all this, especially the FO and dollars part.
I think that the league disparity
has decreased significantly in the last few years, actually.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I don't think the AL is more talented
May have been true in the early to mid 00s
Grit != flat out sucking.
You figure that the Yankees won
about 20 of those pre-DH because they were just a juggernaut and had more talent stacked up in their farm system than most teams had on their ML club.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
ANTI-DH
just have a 8 batter lineup then.
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makes more sense to me than allowing a guy to hit who doesn't even play the field.
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I'm with 645,
I just like the NL style of play. HRs are all very nice but I like the mix and match of the NL. It’s more like chess. AL is like a Rock’em Sock’em Robot, you just hit them until somebody’s head falls off. That really doesn’t do much for me.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
HR derbies take a while.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Is that true?
I suppose AL teams are more likely to sub pitchers during the middle of a half inning, since they don’t need to PH for pitchers, but NL teams I would guess sub guys in more frequently to avoid pitchers having to bat.
From a 2004 study:
Interminable?
It’s 11% more batting. And isn’t that okay? Wouldn’t you rather see Allen Craig bat 4 times than see Kyle Loshe bat 2-3 times and then see Craig bat?
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That's cool, mine too
And if NL teams committed to making their pitchers decent-ish hitters, I’d be fine with it (Gibson home runs in the World Series are awesome). But for the most part now, it’s just a free out. And I don’t like free outs. I want to see competitive ABs every time.
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Like I said, they need more time in the cage.
I don’t like that pitchers nowadays just go up and wave at it and sit down. Bob Forsch didn’t do that shit, dammit.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
We're in agreement on that
Do pitchers even bat on our minor league teams? Anyone happen to know which levels use the DH and which don’t?
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Like chess?
Really?
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Compared to the AL?
There’s certainly more going on strategically in the NL than the AL. You may not like a comparison to chess, but I think it would be silly to say there is as much strategy in the AL as there is in the NL.
Because of the need to pinch-hit, yes
But that’s not rocket science. And there’s just as much reliever/batter matching-up in the AL as their is in the NL. Tony did the same thing for As when he managed them.
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I don't see what any of this matters.
I’m betting that inside the next 5 years, we’ll will have the fucking DH and those of us that prefer the old way will just have to deal with it. I don’t like it. Just my personal preference. I stand by the fact that if you play the field you should have to grab a bat.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
*we will
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
If they were competitive ABs, I'd be fine with it
But they’re not. They’re free outs. And that’s not fun.
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I fully agree, sir.
I’m just not ready to go over to the dark side, yet. Besides, it makes it more fun to watch AL pitchers take futile ABs in the WS.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is,
Pitchers do not HAVE to be automatic outs. That’s what’s known in the business world as an opportunity.
I would love to see an NL team take advantage of the system by teaching their pitchers to hit.
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by Vindicator9000 on Nov 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
so does this fall on the team management for letting it get so lackadaisical? Or is it on the pitchers for not making themselves take it more seriously?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
do we really know they don't take it seriously?
there are still a bunch of pitchers that can hit a little. the rest of them just might not have the physical tools to be remotely competent hitting 90mph pitches
I'll recant.
But being possessed of enough physical ability to throw said 90mph pitch, one could assume that they, by and large,would be able to make better attempts at hitting than it sometimes appears. Meaning that almost all of them should be able to manage close to a .200 BA, at least and probably higher. That’s still pretty bad.There are a great deal of them that can’t manage that.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i can see that.
but a lot of these guys haven’t had to hit since high school.
But I also personally buy that MLB pitchers are ultra-competitive..almost have to be by definition to get to that level. It would seem that someone of that makeup would do whatever it took to be more successful – like I don’t think Chris Carpenter likes to make outs even when he is overmatched. But perhaps pitchers find their time is better allocated to work on their stuff that they will use against every hitter they face rather than worrying about getting 10 more singles in their 80 PAs a year.
and that
is why some (Motte as an example) are pitchers.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
This is sort of getting at what I asked regarding the minors and the use of the DH there
If orgs don’t make it a priority at all levels, then most of these guys are going to be overmatched almost every time they’re at the plate.
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I think
practically all minor leagues use the DH but I’m not sure. I don’t watch much minor league ball.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
that's the real issue
it is really hard to hit major league pitching — i’m amazed they do as well as they do — it’s not what they are good at.
Just win
It just puts more emphasis on a team's depth and roster matchups.
It may not be rocket science, but manager’s still seem to struggle with it. Late-game matchups are far more interesting in the NL I think.
if you're going to have a DH
why bother requiring any of the fielders hit? Why wouldn’t you want to see the best 9 hitters in one half of the inning and the best 9 fielders in the other half?
Hell, why not relax the substitution rule? Why have exactly 9 batters? Why not just send the best 2 or 3 batters up there for every PA and replace them with pinch runners when they reach base?
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
heh. this thought has run through my head many times.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, really
your choices in the NL style are either 1) do two things well or 2) do one thing so well that the team can afford your downside in other areas.
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by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not sure Washington would choose Napoli to be his hitter
in this sort of showdown…. Considering he left him hitting 7th in the lineup
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This sounds suspiciously like cricket.
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by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
What you said
If you can’t field and hit, you shouldn’t be playing baseball or should be happy being a Matt Stairs-eque bench guy. Watching pitchers flail is ugly as hell, and watching Frank Thomas try to play first base at the age of 9000 would be bad too, but at least it would be more in line with the baseball I sympathize with… that is one where everyone is forced to be an actual player.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 8, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Plays for Berk when lefties start
Plays for Holliday when all the other parts of his body that didn’t break down this year break down next year.
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i don't see why that should happen
Lego’s 124 Games it 2011 was the fewest he’s played in a season since his rookie year, he doesn’t seem particularly injury prone.
Well, baseball was fun.
most of injuries were flukes
i mean the appendectomy thing especially
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I'm thinking the moth thing was more flukey (fluky?)
But I get your point.
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well they are both flukey in that they in no way suggest that he is injury prone
and neither event is likely to ever happen again (the appendectomy thing especially)
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has lego had a tonsillectomy yet?
does he still have his adenoids? Or gall bladder?
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by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Until some gets hurt or we are in interleague play
he could play 2 days per week @ 2B, one day each @ all three of the outfield positions. That’s five starts a week. If Matt, Lance, or Albert are hurt, then Allen starts in the outfield. I would think he could get 400 AB’s if the manager adhered to this rotation sitting Matt and Lance one day per week. This sort of rotation is also going to squeeze the other spare outfielder for playing time—maybe Chambers. He could be rotated down to rotated down to Memphis to get ABs in that case.
We should all be happy if our biggest concern next season is finding playing time for Allen Craig because the Cards resigned Albert.
I don't see why you should be sitting Lego or Berk in order to get Craig ABs
They are both better than Craig, and they’re being paid a hell of a lot more.
Well, baseball was fun.
Holliday no
But Berkman can stand to sit a day a week, just to keep him healthy so come playoffs we can have moments like this:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19955467&c_id=mlb
Grit != flat out sucking.
The hope would be that they would not
wear down over the course of the season. If history is any indication, one of Holliday, Berkman, Pujols and Craig will down for good chunks of the season.
He still wins the Triple Crown of Badass
with carp running a close second
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Certainly a very fine season by Pujols.
But it wasn’t Pujolsian.
By wRC+ (which is park and league adjusted), Pujols was 14th among qualified hitters in 2011 (this doesn’t count hitters, like Napoli and Craig, who also had higher wRC+s). Pujols was 26th by WAR for qualified players (this does not include players Holliday or Berkman, who would have had a higher WAR than Pujols by rate, but had fewer PAs).
14th by wRC+ and 26th by WAR, and expected to decline in the near future (or to continue to decline, depending on your view) does not scream +25mm AAV (or more) to me.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions
Depends if you think that
this season was an abberration or the start of a decline. If Pujols puts up a few more 7+ WAR seasons then its suddenly doesn’t seem as exorbitant
Well, baseball was fun.
Im going with
Aberration if he stays, decline if he goes.
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by beer me on Nov 8, 2011 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I change my mind on this daily
I look at his decline in wOBA, and think he’s on his way down:
Then I look at the trend throughout the year and see that he had a bad two months, and then he matched 2010 pretty closely:
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Just because he MIGHT not have started a decline this year doesn't mean it's not imminent
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True, but age matters
He’s entering his age 32 season. You are right that Albert could slap a .450 wOBA on the scoreboard (SABR scoreboard, it’s in left field near the Schlafly season brew station) next year, but while he could age in a Pujolsian manner, he’ll still age and his wOBA will likely slip, like any other aging player.
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That was my point?
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My bad
I missed your second “not”.
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And your first not
Moving on, you ever met Preki?
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Of course he has started a decline
Few player get better after they turn 30. The question is how large that rate of decline is.
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by mysterui on Nov 8, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just because he hit like 2010 Pujols in the latter half of 2011 doesn't mean that 2012 Pujols will hit like 2010/2011 Pujols
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by Forsch's2nohitters on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Except that there are numerous incidents
where players have had 2 or 3 year long revivals late in their careers. Everyone has their time where they have to hang the cleats up, and the general rule is gradual decline through your 30s, but there are a LOT of abberations within that general rule.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Yep, and who knows
what AP would play like if he got more time off, e.g., maybe 10 fewer games per season?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 8, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Who had a late 30’s revival who was not a PED user?
I don’t think we will see these mysterious late 30’s revivals as much anymore. The will always be drugs that can not be detected and if albert is going to have a late 30’s revival he better start staying ahead of the PED game.
here are a few of a bunch of guys since 1980 who have had outsized production
in their mid-thirties compared to the rest of their careers:
Chipper Jones
Derek Jeter
Larry Walker
Barry Larkin
Paul Molitor
Moises Alou
Steve Finley
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphswd.aspx?teamid=0&pos=All&season=2011&season1=1980&grid=100
and to be clear, this list is sorted by total WAR over the period,
so any guys with less than 40 WAR aren’t even on the list
Jim Edmonds?
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by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah - he was great well into his 30s.
i didn’t include him in my arbitrary list because i didnt consider the 8WAR in a string of 7, 7, 7, 6, 8, 6 as a renaissance. there are a bunch more guys you could make an argument for – especially if you expand the time period
Moises Alou should not be included
Urine was his PED of choice
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Steve Finley?
I thought the idea was to pick people who were NOT using PEDs…..
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, I have no idea whether he did use PEDs.
He just has always been the CF for my imaginary team of "guys who no one talks about using PEDs but sure looked like they did "
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
check out Darrell Evans ages 38-40
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/evansda01.shtml
11.4 WAR in those 3 seasons(85-87), only had a better stretch at ages 25-28 with 19.3 (72-74) and 18.8 (73-75)
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by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
You don't have to look farther than Berkman
It happened on our team, this year.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Well with some diet and exercise
and maybe a little bit of surgery, it’s possible.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Doesn't the second trend graph support the same hypothesis?
He never gets above .450 in any month. Moreover, even in an overall decline phase, he’s going to have some good months.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know why I should assume this season was an aberration.
We should expect Pujols to start declining now. Next year we should expect him to decline, and the year after that and the year after that too.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
This is the problem with averaging
I think we probably should expect five years of about the same as the last five years with probability x, catastrophic collapse with probability y, and some sort of gradual decline phase over the next five years with probabilty 1-(x+y), where the third number is quite a bit smaller than either x or y.
It just seems, looking back, that far more players just completely fell apart than gradually declined away.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Albert played 165 games this year
In those games, he batted .304 with 42 HR and 110 RBI and played his best ball in the months to end the season rather than the ones to start it.
Declining players typically slow down over the season (as Berkman did for a stretch), but Pujols got better. Aberration for me.
by olddomination on Nov 8, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
and he had a fractured radius mid-season
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by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Carpenter was a different pitcher in 2011 than he was 2008-2010
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by mysterui on Nov 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Do the initials RT
explain a move away from two-seam fastballs and toward four-seamers ?
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
What?
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Two seamers lead to grounders
When Theriot is your SS you might shy away from pitches that result in ground balls.
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Though it's not necessarily just Theriot
The club admitted from the beginning that they were sacrificing a little defense for offense. Could be that Carpenter and Duncan and whoever else changed the game plan because of it, knowing that Carpenter, at least, could still be very effective even if his approach was less ground-ball-oriented.
Ironic much?
Carp had very little run support during the season.
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by peppermartin on Nov 8, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Carp couldn't know how many runs would
or would not be scored when he pitched.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I've been saying all season that is why we saw the pitching we did, basically a ground ball oriented pitching staff with a bad MIF most of the seaon
And why, if we get Furc back or some other competent SS then pitchers should all be better for not have to go away from their strengths.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 8, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree.
Any IF that starts Theriot and Skippy up the middle is going to be really hard to watch.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
i guess you could compare
the team gb% before and after the Furcal acquisition. Not sure how to get those splits, but it would be interesting.
Here’s the GB% splits by month, for the starting rotation (not normalized by PA or BIP or anything):
APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP Kyle McClellan 43.80% 59.30% 49.20% 49.40% Kyle Lohse 48.60% 44.30% 43.70% 29.00% 35.00% 45.70% Jake Westbrook 60.70% 65.10% 60.70% 59.30% 57.50% 52.00% Jaime Garcia 60.50% 46.20% 57.50% 55.60% 46.20% 57.60% Edwin Jackson 42.90% 42.10% 34.70% Chris Carpenter 47.80% 46.60% 42.40% 41.00% 50.90% 50.80%
Not sure if there is anything interesting here. You can see Carp falls off quite a bit during the last months of Theriot’s tenure at SS, then bounces back when he returns. But Lohse and Westy follow the opposite trend, and Garcia is all over the place.
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Looks like a pretty strong correlation for Lohse and Carp related to Furcs acquisition to me. They were the two probably best equipped to try another pitching approach. Westbrook did not have to many other options than to continue GB pitching style but he looked really uncomfortable doing it, Watching him, he looked like with every GB pitch he was worrying if it was going to be a double or if was someone going actually going to field it.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 9, 2011 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
I filmed a number of Carp warm-ups with high speed video
I don’t know if I EVER saw him throw a 2-seamer, in warm-ups at least.
Boog would have made that play.
Did you shoot any high-speed video of Carp during the games?
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by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, lots
I have tons of good stuff on his mechanics, but I can’t distinguish between 2-seamers and 4-seamers.
I do have some really cool stuff on how he throws his CV and CT.
Boog would have made that play.
You could cross-reference your footage with Gameday for 2-seamer vs. 4-seamer data.
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by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Let me see
I only know what pitch he’s throwing when with my 60FPS footage.
Unfortunately, I don’t know how to time stamp my 120 and 240 FPS footage. Stupid Casio doesn’t use the date fields correctly. Whenever you update the image (e.g. to crop it down) it re-writes the create date field, not just the last modified field.
Boog would have made that play.
That's annoying on the date fields.
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by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think it'd be interesting to know his pitch mix within innings.
For example, what was his pitch mix to leadoff hitters? Did he throw more sinkers or four-seamers?
With men on base, did he throw more four seamers?
Seemed like Carp gave up a lot of hits this year and had a lot of guys on base. You need more Ks in those situations, which may have caused an uptick in 4 seamers.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
it’s a little more complex than needing Ks with guys on base. With a guy on third and less than two outs, yes. But with a runner on first and less than two outs, IF you trust your infield you want to get the ground ball.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why would he trust his infield again?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
it is what it is
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 8, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap the strike zone in their analysis ends 3.4 feet above the ground?
That seems insane. Especially when Carp seems to get the high strike call with his curveball when he’s dealing.
Not germane to the Cards, but JoePa's weekly news conference is cancelled
breaking news. for those interested in 80-something football coaching legends facing some hard facts…
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I might be if this were a Penn State or NCAA football blog
but I don’t really want to get into the astonishing situation at Penn State here on a St. Louis Cardinals blog.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not that I think Joe Pa should be absolved in this matter, in any way
But holding this press conference would’ve been pure idiocy. It could only have had detrimental legal effects for the uinversity
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Now THAT'S a guy who should consider retiring
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by peppermartin on Nov 8, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Dude should be forced to donate a few million dollars to demolish those locker rooms and build new ones...
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm tempted to agree...
but Penn State keeps winning. 11-9-9-11-11-7 wins in the last six seasons and now 8-1 this year, though they aren’t that good.
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only undefeated team in the big ten.
which i find just hilarious.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
whoa fangraphs changed the look of their tables a little bit.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I'm curious as to why they did that
Does anybody know if the team names and years on their player pages used to be clickable? I know a lot of the team names within B-Ref tables actually link to the team pages, which is a nice feature. The Fangraphs ones don’t currently but I feel like they used to before they changed it (and I could very well be wrong about this).
If anyone was expecting the new Clubhouse Confidential on MLBN
to be groundreaking towards advanced stats, you will be sorely dissapointed. The KC/SF trade was broke down in terms of ERA and BA/RBI. A quick mention of BABIP and that was about it. They mentioned WAR once to say that Willy Mays should have won a lot more MVP’s than he did. No shit.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's extremely disappointing
Why doesn’t MSM realize there is a need for SABR stats in analysis?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 8, 2011 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sure there is
Normal, traditional stats do not paint the whole picture
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 8, 2011 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
new fangled stats don't really either
maybe paint a more clear picture, but it’s certainly not the whole picture. And to address your previous point, I don’t really think anyone cares right now. There’s a lot of resentment towards the saber line of thinking. As the generations turn over that will probably change, but for now, it’s going to be a slow and steady process.
Something clever...
oh, so what does paint the whole picture?
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A healthy dose of analytics and scouting comes closest.
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A brush
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
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by Paulspike on Nov 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, there really isn't a "need" for it
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They don't make their money based on the quality of their analysis, they make it based on their entertainment value.
That said, I would imagine that there’s a niche market for a show featuring quality SABR analysis.
Two possible explanations:
1. They don’t know what quality SABR analysis looks like. They think this is it.
2. I’m wrong. There’s a market for some SABR analysis, but it’s not large enough to jump straight to WAR and wOBA and BABIP based on batted ball data and LD%, etc. Either they’re easing in those that would be interested, or they’re letting people think this is the stats heavy analysis so they can feel smart.
Disappointing to hear that the show sucks though.
I think they are trying to figure out how to do this show.
It’s never been done before. I haven’t watched episode no. 1, but I’m not going to judge the show on it. The first episode of Seinfeld wasn’t anything to write home about, however, it evolved into one of the best shows ever.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this sentiment
Give the show time to develop. Although, I must say I never found Seinfeld that entertaining.
Question:
Is draft order set by record, or by playoff performance?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
regular season record only
If there is tie then the previous year is also looked at. The Cards pick 23 next year (one lower than this year). They and Boston had the same record but Boston had a better record in 2010 so St. Louis picks before them (and that makes me glad).
So wait...we win the world series
and we don’t have the lowest draft pick? this is great
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Yea this was pretty much my reaction after 2006.
I think we picked like 18th or something. Only, I think we picked Kozma, so it didn’t help much except maybe in the later rounds.
One of the amazing things about this Penn State scandal...
is that Joe Posnanski has been camping out in Happy Valley since September to write a book about JoePa. He’s turning in his manuscript by xmas, which will allow him plenty of time to document Paterno’s fall and get the book out before anyone else and while all this is still fresh in everyone’s mind. Amazing good fortune… This would be like moving to St. Louis to document the Cardinals season on August 1.
Sign Roy O
Except disturging and awful allegations instead of rally squirrels and talking turtles.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The squirrel took advantage of the turtle
poor turtle. . . it moves so slow it didn’t know what hit it.
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Disturbing + discouraging = disturging?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
that's how I read it
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm all about word synergy these days. I have neither the time nor inclination to write out multiplords.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm all about word synergy these days. I have neither the time nor inclination to write out multiplords.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
beat me to it
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
yep. about a minute apart
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
except Pos is gonna tank on this whole JoePa thing
wrote a column about taking a “wait and see” approach to the scandal. In other words, he wants to steer clear and avoid killing the golden goose.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
sounded like he doesn't want to get too deep into it
anyway, we shall see
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I think he wanted the legal process to play out and not write anything that turns out not to be true.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
some of the blog comments
say Pos wants to avoid the controversy because he wrote a book about Saint Joe Pa and now he’d have to rewrite it. anyway, i guess i’m not a huge posnaski fan so i admittedly don’t have an objective viewpoint
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
How do you write a book about JoePa...
without mentioning his career collapsing in disgrace. Pretty sure the publisher is going to want a chapter or two about that.
Sign Roy O
no question
he will have to address it. it’s just a matter of how deeply. it’s a tough position to be in, given the time constraints, no doubt
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
A new epilogue for the paperback edition.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
That'll be the for the trial...
right now, you don’t need to be sure what JoePa’s role was in this, only that it brought him down.
Sign Roy O
not a posnanski fan?
is that legal?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
posnaski can suck my fanny
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i'm shocked
he’s excellent
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
he's ok
too roundabout and not really that insightful. he knows his history well i guess.
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fair enough
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
i agree with you
he is a great writer, but he’s not bringing much new to the table, so I never seek out his articles. I just wait til one is roundly recommended.
i guess i am the same way
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
You realize
that, though a “sportswriter,” his greatest skill is writing about people, not sports. He would be just as interesting writing about people in other fields as well. It’s his insights into humans that make his best work great.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 8, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I don't really care about his insight into humans
That isn’t what interests me about baseball.
Being an English student I’m very interested in people in other areas.
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wat
Link?
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Yo man I'm dealing with a dinosaur laptop over here
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I bought a book for my kid because
of this post. He was right; it’s a good one.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
That was a splendid story...
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agree
plus I frankly think a lot of posnanski’s stuff is just overwritten and melodramatic. i prefer Verducci or Heyman, although I’m probably in a big minority on that score
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I think Heyman is one of the worst in the business, so I guess we just have different tastes.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I saw Heyman claim that Mattingly should be in the HOF because it is the Hall of FAME, and that Mattingly has fame.
Meanwhile, he says Mark McGwire should not be in it. You know, because he doesn’t have enough fame, clearly.
Mark McWHOgwire?
On a serious note, i barely know of Don Mattingley, did he have sideburns or something?
Well, baseball was fun.
I think that's Thurman Munson, no? I might be wrong.
It has been a long time since I saw that Simpsons episode.
no he just had a sweet 80s Tom Selleck-style 'stache
and he played 14 seasons with the Yankees and lost in his only postseason series…ha! I don’t think many Yankees can say that.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
the 80's Yankees were not good though
He really fell into an awful time to be a Yankee for as good of a hitter as he was.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, he wasn't that good of a hitter.
Sorry, he was a good hitter, but he was simply that: a good hitter. He’s a 1B with a .361 career wOBA.
I don’t get the fuss over him. (From non-VEB people really)
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all about the peak..he put up 4 consecutive 6 WAR seasons
from the ages of 23-26 before injuries hobbled him. I think people always saw him as the True Yankee Who Played Through Injury and Terrible Teams despite the fact that he wasn’t really elite when it was all said and done
I kind of think of him as the Yankees version of Lankford
by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Very good player but not HOF-caliber, played mostly during a down era for his team
Beloved by the hometown fans. The difference is that Mattingly was a bit better and played for New York, so he’s a national celebrity. Ray Lankford played for St. Louis and is only a celebrity among baseball fans.
that's probably a pretty good comp, actually
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
I figured Lankford probably had a decent handful of 5-6 WAR years
Fangraphs has Mattingly at 45ish career WAR, Lankford at 41ish. Closer than I thought, actually.
How do you feel about Bernie Williams?
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by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he's in a similar vein, too
A bit better than the other two, I guess. He was a hell of a hitter during his peak. If he were a good defender he would probably be Hall-worthy
I didn't mean that he was a truly elite player.
but he was a really good hitter that was stuck on some gob-awful teams.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough, he's not great
but he’s not nearly as annoying as Pos is with his breathless odes to this and that.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I think calling him "one of the worst in the biz" qualifies
as an insult
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
i second this
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
his writing style is excellent
not too sure about his analysis, but he is an excellent writer
by hr on Nov 8, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I like reading him. He's a good writer, and I'm generally really interested in what he has to say,
though it’s rarely anything super interesting analytically.
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He usually writes what I'm thinking, but in a much more coherent manner
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I heard the only reason he's writing this book
is because of the similarity in their names. As it turns out, Paterno is Posnanski’s illegitimate father.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck relying on the legal process to determine whether something is true or not.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
should be green
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Me neither.
I don’t think that one could adequately address the accusations until after the trial, at which Paterno may testify. I think it would be irresponsible to draw conclusions until after the trial.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
a lot of writers are already on the attack
good writers, too, SI guys like Andy Staples. I don’t think it’s too early to wonder out loud how this kind of thing could go on for years and years
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
In regards to Penn State officials, right now, all we have is allegations.
In terms of who knew what and when, they depend largely on the credibility of the graduate assistant. At trial this will be explored. So I think one necessarily has to wait to write a defining account addressing Paterno’s role in the whole matter until after the trial.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
not sure what i'd do if it were my book
do you delay the pub date so you can wait for all the facts? the publisher decides that. do you change the tone based on these new allegations? do you rewrite the first couple chapters to focus on the news, and the change to Joe Pa’s public image? I’d probably go with the latter. again, i admit it’s a tough place to be in
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I would bet he and the publisher change the date.
Neither Pos or the publisher would want to release a lionization right now (if that’s what it was)
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
We have a bit more than just allegations
Paterno admits that the G.A. told him something about what he saw, though he suggests it was not in the detail that was later described by the G.A. to the Grand Jury. People are saying that armed with these allegations, Paterno should have done something more than just report to the AD and/or followed up more.
I agree that no one can write a “defining account” yet, but I do think much of the criticism is fair.
i second this
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Yeah, I agree with this. I have no problem with the position Pos is taking.
I was just reacting to Bgh’s statement that all we have are allegations.
I also have no problem with the position taken by Staples and others in the media that Penn State flubbed the handling of this situation and Paterno bears some amount of blame.
For a half-baked blog post, it's sufficient.
We’ve trying and convicting public figures in this country based on incomplete information such as this for decades. Right now, we don’t know who knew what when. All we have is the prosecutor’s grand jury report which is about as one-sided as it gets. If I were an author and a respected journalist writing a book on Joe Paterno, this would be insufficient for my purposes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But as far as personal opinions go, we have 8 accusers telling a pretty similar story with multiple witnesses confirming at least some level of inappropriate behavior ranging from “what the fuck” to “go kill yourself, painfully”
Public opinion isn’t dictated by innocent until proven guilty…
Not afraid to nitpick
I don't think we disagree.
Public opinion isn’t dictated by a legal standard. Most media types certainly don’t apply innocent until proven guilty to their shows or writings. Especially Nancy Grace.
That being said, if I were an author and respected journalist writing a book on Joe Paterno’s career, I’d want to wait until the trial and verdict before writing the final chapter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
There's a big difference between how public opinion can react
and how a responsible journalist should behave, too. I’m actually pretty sick of how the media covers everything with this hyper-sentationalized pre-judged attitude.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
on the scott van pelt show just now
guy from NYT who graduated from penn state said he would make it through the last three weeks of the season, but that he was certainly gone after that
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
can I make a general suggestion, since I'm apparently quite villainous in this regard
if there’s some breaking news story, can y’all just open a separate fanpost for it?
I’m not trying to suggest such events are unimportant, but if there’s utterly no connection to baseball or the post, VEB as a whole is going to get so many clickbacks from the general masses. a lot of us come here so we don’t have to talk about those things. IMO unless there’s something immediate threatening life-and-limb, or something immediate like directing someone to go back to the ballpark after they end a rain delay… it doesn’t really have skirt those religious/political etc. rules and/or prompt debates about the same in the main thread.
if anything, putting it in a different post will show how serious the subject is in the first place.
would've.
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Yea, and it's just a brief post and it's the offseason. It's not as though there's a ton to discuss anyway.
If this was a conversation about pineapples vs. mangoes there would be no complaints.
Is this even a fucking debate?
Mangoes. Easily.
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They're ok.
But pineapples with powdered sugar on them is nearly God tier.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I have never heard of this
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Sounds like meeting-god-soon tier.
Talk about a sugar overload.
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by spants on Nov 8, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pineapples roasted on a spit like they do in some of those churrascaria restaurants, with sugar and cinnamon
I don’t know if it’s authentic Brazilian or authentic anything, and I don’t care. It’s damn delicious.
However, I could also counter with Mexican dried mango covered with chili powder. Oh man.
OK, it’s a tie.
College hand-egg scandal
Not really my thing to be honest. I’m more of a “pop culture off topic thread” kind of guy.
Oops, I should have specified
I was actually referring to “pop culture from at least ten years ago” sub threads.
I wouldn't call that amazing.
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i don't even know what you guys are talking about.
i guess i’m going to have to do some googling…
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Pujols' Decline?
Just a reminder that my theory is that one reason Pujols struggled early on this year is because he was messing with his stride…
His struggles during the WS do give me pause, because he was using his classic stride during the WS, but that could just be due to SSS.
Boog would have made that play.
i was going to say, you really judging on six games?
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
He also had that one pretty good game during the WS
The ball certainly wasn’t carrying like that when he was struggling.
Boog would have made that play.
yeah, i excluded that game (which was the reason for saying "six)
i was honestly just curious, are you able to judge his lack of performance on six games even if he is using “your” suggested method of hitting?
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
so was I
from my seat in RF we thought it was a HR, we couldnt see the catch
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
If all he has to do is look at the guy's swing...
he could judge on a single at bat, or part of an at bat.
Sign Roy O
You're making the assumption that one swing would represent all the others.
I wonder if that’s really a good assumption.
If you know a guy's swing well enough...
…you can draw some decent judgements about how and what he’s doing at any moment in time as long as you know the context of that swing (and the biggest mistake many “analysts” make is they base their theories on single clips that they don’t know the provenance of).
In the case of Pujols, it’s black or white whether he’s using his classic stride or not, and anyone with one working eye can make that judgement.
Either he is or he isn’t.
Boog would have made that play.
What you need to know...
…first and foremost is the velocity of the pitch. It’s also helpful to know what the preceding pitch was and the count.
Hitter’s swings can fall apart if they get an off-speed pitch that they didn’t read well and/or expect.
Boog would have made that play.
i'm not going to lie...
this is basically straight trolling.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I hope I'm not the only who got this reference
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watchmen, yes?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Yep!
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Talk about a "read the book" instance if I ever saw one
That film…oy.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I find that if you didn't read the book, you generally liked the movie
If you did read the book, the movie is turrible
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and that phrase massively predates any comic book.
sigh.
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See
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by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
dates back to ancient chinese poetry
used in a Pink Floyd song.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 9, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
screw you, watchmen was a great movie
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 9, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
pretty obscure dude
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 9, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I'm not around much any more
It was fun while it lasted.
Boog would have made that play.
it really is a shame.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I completely disagree.
I don’t think it’s a shame at all. Myself and countless others have expressed interest in what he has to say but question what often seem to be over-reaching conclusions.
If people agree with him, he’s amicable to talking. But the moment you ask critical questions, it’s all defense and personalizing the argument. If VEB is supposed to be about engaging baseball conversation, I’m not sure how TPG adds to that. He would rather just preach without question.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I think most of us can decide for ourselves what to take from TPG's comments
I don’t see you doing this with a lot of other commenters, and TPG is probably not the only one who doesn’t fit into your box of conversationalists.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 9, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
TPG is dangerous
…i’ve said too much.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 9, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
...
“/takes out gun
/shoots self"
Obviously a concerted effort to ask critical questions.
WWCD? CDGAF.
there's quite a long history
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 9, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
OK
Why is it that no one else questions his conclusions? This is the guy who talks about how ONE LITTLE thing can screw up your hitting and then he says “it’s black or white whether he’s using his classic stride” and no one bats an eye?
You may think this is trolling but anytime I try to engage him in conversations he shows himself to be incapable of backing up his conclusions. I get tired of reading the same shill work on here from him over and over.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I don't know that his stride affected his strike zone discipline that much.
Pujols hit very well over the remainder of the season but his walk rate was still down. I think that’s a bit concerning.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Good question
One possible answer is that, because he had to start his swing sooner or because he couldn’t pause during his swing, that led to his swinging at balls that he would have taken in the past.
Is there any way to track check swings? That number might be up if that’s what’s happening.
In particular, he’d be more vulnerable to later-breaking pitches like sliders (and that number should be findable).
Boog would have made that play.
could him being hurt (hamstring, elbow, wrist, whatever)...
affect his strike zone discipline is any way?
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
an injury is going to change his mechanics and maybe his timing.
Boog would have made that play.
I think the change in stride is likely attributable to a leg injury.
There was a nice blog post on this when Pujols was struggling. I wish I could find it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
i personally think it's pretty obvious he had a leg injury in april and especially may.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
One data point
Is that his stride has varied over the years, and he has played with his “new” stride at various time in the past, including 2010. It doesn’t seem to have affected him as much, but that could explain some of his decline off of 2008.
Boog would have made that play.
Yes, and I'll bet a sore
wrist had an effect on his ability to make quick adjustments on pitches.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 8, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I need to look at Pujols 2010 swing...
…and see if there’s any relationship between his tweaking his swing and the fact that his numbers were off a bit that year. I have seen some evidence that he was tweaking his stride during 2010, but just every once in a while.
In fact, all this may have started going back to 2009 when he was in the home run derby in STL. He tends to play with his stride during BP and home run derbies in an attempt to generate more energy and hit the ball harder.
that could help to explain why he peaked in 2008 and then fell off a bit with each additional year.
Boog would have made that play.
OK. But Pujols IS going to decline soon whether or not he fixes or messes with this stride.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
to continue to decline i'm afraid
i like having albert aboard, but realistically, can’t give the guy 300 mil, or even 250 for no matter how many years
TLR is gone, long live the king
survey: will pujols post another 7 WAR season.
if you answer yes, how many?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 1:17 PM EST reply actions
Hank Aaron, 1969
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/aaronha01.shtml
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
chipper jones did it right?
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...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jonesch06.shtml
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
what a boss
7.9 WAR in 134 games.
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Ted Williams
9.9 at the age of 38
7.2 at the age of 35
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Maybe 1, next year. Bet he tops out at 6.5ish.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, 7.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes 2
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Three things I know to be true
1.) That I don’t want to give any player in their thirties a deal that will pay them into their 40s.
2.) That I don’t care how much Money Pujols makes, as long as he is a Cardinal for the rest of his playing days.
3.) Given 1&2, VEP is wrong, there is no way that I’d make a better GM than anyone currently employed as a GM.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Well define "better"
You signing Pujols for the rest of his life and mine would certainly make me happier.
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What's he got to do with it?
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7 Years $200 at 30,30,29,29,28,28,26 or something like that
Option for years 8 (2019 Age 39) and 9 at $26 that vests with Top 10 MVP vote and/or 550 PAs in prior year. Some incentives for MVP, attendance, PAs
Player Opt out after 4 years
Lifetime personal services contract/Special Assistant to GM at $1M per year – Spring training instructor, occasional radio/TV broadcasts, part-time roving minor league instructor, Cards Winter Caravan appearances, etc. Comes to a 30-50M retirement plan.
10% ticket hike for 2012 would yield $9.3 to Cardinals revenue total. Announce ticket hike shortly after contract signed. Let everyone who wants to put two and two together.
Ownership stake that vests upon COMPLETION of contract . Per Forbes, franchise value is $518M. 2% stake approx $10.3M
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
goldstein had a piece about it..there's some gray area depending on how it is structured
article here – comments section has more ideas too
I'd be shocked if they frontloaded it
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Agree
Also, I’m expecting that if a deal gets done it will have a lot of deferred money. That way Pujols/Lozano will be able to tout a high AAV (which in reality won’t be all that high). I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 8 year $27 million per year with 5 million deferred until 2025 or so.
Hey so... to commemorate our going to ELEVEN, 11/11/11 is still coming up
but that’s veterans day. what do you veterans think, eh? IMO y’all should have first pick for festivities.
and yes, I know the Previously on VEBs are in midst of suckage. i blame my browser.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have awesome plans for 11/11/11
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yep
we go in Thursday at 4. So exciting!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
My wife was in labor for over 48 hours.
I don’t think the hospital staff liked us much after the first 24…natural child birth ftw!
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think you may need to rethink your definition of winning
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm sure he/she/it loves it's kid(s)
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I don't doubt that
but making your wife endure two full days of labor because you are too stubborn to use the advances modern medicine has made is not even close to my definition of “winning”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Don't presume too much.
Natural child birth…her call. Bradley method…her call. Her body, her decisions. I sat with her in my lap off and on for about 15 hours, gave her multiple massages, etc., etc., and never left the room until the baby was born. I was being a tad facetious about the ftw….it was long and grueling, and she was exhausted (me, too) at the end, but we came away with a healthy baby, and I’m very a happy pappy, so keep your opinions re: “modern medicne” to yourself.
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 9, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
the 'ftw'
was the only thing I took exception to. I will not be keeping my opinions of modern medicine to myself, since, you know, my biggest contribution here is sharing medical knowledge.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Wow
it is amazing what you gals have to endure. I hope she makes it here on the 11th, but if she doesn’t I’m not going to complain.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
After the first round of hormone gel they were talking about sending me home.
I’d already been there overnight and into the late afternoon. I decided that I wasn’t going home without that kid on the outside of my body. I didn’t want to be pregnant anymore and I didn’t want to have to pay for 1.5 days in the hospital without anything to show for it and STILL potentially dealing with 2-3 days in the hospital later.
So they decided to do another round of gel and I was in early active labor within 3 hours. Phew! I really didn’t want a c-section and I really didn’t want to go home.
Good luck! Read up on applying counter-pressure in case she gets back labor. Josh was a great help.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
thanks for the tip
I agree with you, once you are there, might as well have the kid. Were you avoiding Pitocin? Some of the research behind its use is scary, especially with situations like yours where nothing happens for an extended time and they end up performing a C-section. Glad the second dose of gel worked for you.
I wasn’t at the last appointment so I’m not real sure what our doctors preferred method for induction is. Perhaps I should talk to mrs. scoot about that. . .
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Oh they used Pitocin once the gel worked and until I had the baby.
I’m glad my doctor approached it the way she did, but everyone is different. The contractions are much stronger with inductions. I got an epidural when I was only 2-3 cm dilated. Now, I might have been able to wait it out a little longer, but the 4 hours of back labor took it out of me. Once the back labor stopped, I think I labored another hour or so before I asked for drugs. No regrets. I was much more mentally present on the drugs than I would’ve been in pain. I could feel myself shutting down. I would hear someone ask me something, but it would take my brain awhile to process it. And since I knew I was going to be laboring for awhile, I knew I needed sleep. The epidural allowed me to get some rest and not be completely out of it when the baby came.
HOWEVER the epidural wore off during transition, so I got to experience that without drugs. Not fun. I didn’t really have a plan when I went in, and honestly, it’s best to be flexible anyway because so much stuff can change. You just don’t know what you’re dealing with until you’re actually laboring.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
sounds like our doctors plan for starting is similar to yours
We don’t really have a set birthing plan. We have an idea of how we would like things to go, but plan on rolling with whatever happens. I hate it when my patients think they know more than me, so I’d be a hypocrite to go in with a set birth plan and try to make the hospital follow what I think is best. They do what they do every day and get paid for it for a reason.
Thanks for your insight. I’m ready for her to be here. When the time comes, I’ll be tweeting pictures.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
they started inducing my wife around midnight
her counts never got into a safe zone where they would give her an epidural so they gave her morphine and she said that did nothing for the pain.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Started pitocin on my wife ~midnight as well
she delivered around 9 the next morning. this happened both pregnancies (twins the first time). epidural is the way to go.
After having an appendectomy around 30 weeks,
I knew nothing was going to be the way I wanted it. At that point my focus was to keep us as healthy and safe as possible. Other than that I was flexible.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
Nice to see you commenting!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'm usually up this late,
but I haven’t been getting onto my computer much. And the VEB threads have been a little unwieldy lately!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
My wife's OBGYN told us she tested positive for strep-B, which apparently was going around
then, so she told her she need to strip her membranes once her water broke. So, day comes, water breaks, she tells us to come to her office, says she wants to do an exam. My wife gets up in the stirrups, and the next thing we know, the doc has stripped my wife’s membranes, which essentially begins labor. I got very angry with her, and asked her why the hell she did that without warning…her argument is that she warned us the week before. Which she did, but she gave no warning that it was happening right that minute. I fumed, and my wife was not happy about it. An hour later, she’s at the hospital, and the doc gives her pitocin to hurry things along. But it’s only a half-dose, per our wishes (at least she got that right), and her labor begins, somewhat slowly. The doc gets called away to another patient, and boom, my wife begins a fairly heavy labor. Two hours later, the nurses on duty deliver baby (no velociraptor, just a majorly contrarian child), no doc in sight.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
need-needed
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
crap, need=needed
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit
how did you keep from throttling her?
When my kid was born we had no less than 4 doctors in the room. We had an intern doing the delivery, a surgeon in case anything went wrong and they had to do an emergency C-section, the high-risk birth specialist, a NICU doctor and the anesthesiologist. I guess that’s 5 but I don’t know how many were there the whole time. Then we had 4-5 nurses. the room was a little full.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I have strep-B.
Like 35-40% of women do. They did not strip my membranes. I think you guys had one crappy fucking doctor.
My nurses were fantastic. I would’ve trusted them to deliver my baby. You were probably in better hands with them.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
The thing is
we loved the doc who delivered our first child, but he died piloting a small single-engine airplane in between baby #1 and baby #2. And, up until the day baby #2 was born, we were fine with doc #2. We were very happy with the nurses there, they were both professional and courteous. As it is, we stopped having kids after two.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 9, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck!
Hope it goes as well as my wife’s when our son was born. Went to the hospital at 8am, son was born at 2:30pm.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
playing a gig on 11/11/11
..and we’re doing a Spinal Tap song (“All The Way Home”) to honor Nigel. Yay!
youneverknow
Chicks always tear up when they play "Lick My Love Pump"
There’s just something about that D Minor key. I believe it to be the saddest of all keys.
by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is anyone else wondering if the real reason TLR visited Allen Craig
was to visit Torty
and then speculate about Torty’s relationship to squirrels?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he visited Craig?
At home? I apparently missed this.
someone on the VEBNN said he was spotted at a Cal game?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think they honored TLR because he donated money to help save the Cal baseball program
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
hmmm.
BoSox strength coach’s comments.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just learned that Kelly Johnson is a type A free agent.
Welp, there goes my preferred 2B candidate. Good GOB, that system is awful.
wtf
kelly johnson: 2.2 fWAR, .316 wOBA, type A
aramis ramirez: 3.6 fWAR, .373 wOBA, type B
…..
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
They're compared to different player pools
Also it’s based on the last 3 years IIRC
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And they don't use WAR or wOBA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but whatever they are using is suspect
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2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
BA/RBI/HR essentially
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Twitter
Very suspect.
It shows why the rankings are flawed.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
that was basically my point
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Yeah, I guess Johnson's 2010 was pretty terrific.
Still, the A tag there is strange. I feel bad for the guy — it’ll absolutely kill the market for him.
I went to Sweetie Pie's in the Grove for lunch
It took 50 minutes of waiting in line to get the food but damn that was good. She even has her own show on Oprah’s network.
I had the short ribs, 2 sides of Macaroni and Cheese, corn, cornbread, and some peach cobbler. I’m going to go take a nap now.
bollocks
It was
If you go either go early or go late unless you like standing around to wait. It was worth it though
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Any VEBers ever get box seats @ Busch 3?
I don’t get to go to too many games due to the 4 hour drive, and typically wind up sitting in the bleachers. I’ve had some family / friends say they want to go to a game next year and was thinking about getting a box if we could get 12 or so people to make a road trip of it and split the costs. Curious on how many seats, cost, etc.
Thanks much!
WWCD? CDGAF.
That depends on what you mean by "box seats"
Most of the “box” seats are not in traditional boxes, but are just those close to the field. Infield box, field box, dugout box, are all just regular sections of seats. You can, obviously, try to find large blocks of seat together, but it may not be that easy. The cards website has links on there for small and large groups (I think large is >30), but I’ve never looked into that much. You can buy party suites, but those are higher I would guess.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
What was the *average* position player's Fangraphs WAR?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't know exactly, but 2.0 WAR is generally considered an average player
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Twitter
Would someone mind proof-reading this essay for me?
I haven’t slept in a day and I don’t really trust my brain right now.
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Aw snap Twitter war about to break out
I’m on Goold’s side
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Tell us more.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is too hard on the work laptop
But @fungoes calls out Sebek and Goold for the Washington pre-game speech leak. The latter two are not happy about that
Goold: @fungoes classy, Pip. I’ve treated you with utmost professionalism & respect. And you dare to hurl an insult like that on a public forum …
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
How does one even arrive at accusing Goold of involvement?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that seems totally out of nowhere
did he do anything more than report on the reaction to the leak?
He transcribed part of it, which is what fungoes took exception to
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Why?
What the opposing manager said about the Cardinals before Game 7 of the World Series is newsworthy, regardless of how it was brought to light.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Messenger, brahski
But I do tend to find @fungoes kind of an insufferable douche on a high horse most of the time though
The term “libel” has been throw around a couple of times already in the conversation; is it?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Such is the nature of Twitter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I just looked at the conversation.
Fungoes tweeted this:
My take on leaked Washington pregame speech: Recorder, leaker, @mattsebek and @dgoold are all culpable in varying degrees of unethicality.
Fungoes is expressing his opinion that all four of the recorder, leaker, Sebek (publisher), and Goold (apparently as transcriber) have all engaged in ethically questionable activity. This is the opinion of Fungoes so it isn’t libel in any way, shape, or form.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
yep. i am actually sad that goold doesn't know better than that
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
The most misunderstood legal terms of art in America:
1) Harassment
2) Libel/Slander/Defamation
3) Wrongful Termination
4) Discrimination
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Stop discriminating against me for Sporting KC losing
That’s libel and I will sue you for harassment
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i would also add hostile work environment
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Very true.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Unless Goold is understanding Fungoes to say that Goold was the recorder or leaker
Which is how I first read the statement, in which case it could be libel — a false statement that Goold was the recorder or leaker of the rant, which defames Goold.
yikes. this is a tough conversation
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I agree.
I’m not worried about what another manager calls the opposing team or what he says. He’s just trying to rally his guys after a crushing defeat.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's an interesting insight into the clubhouse before Game 7 of the World Series.
I’m certainly not in any way offended at anything Washington said. I just find it interesting.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, there's nothing offensive beyond a few f-bombs.
But people would have found his pre-game speech interesting no matter what the outcome of game 7 had been.
Yeap, and...
And I would hope no one thinks Ron Washington is the first manager to use that type of language in a pregame speech. People have to learn to get over the whole “Hero” mentality with athletes and other famous people. You can argue they should try to be role models when they are in camera, around fans and kids, et cetera. But when it comes to their personal lives or what should be meetings behind closed doors, that’s different.
WWCD? CDGAF.
Yeah, I don't care about the content of the speech at all.
Only in how it was leaked / obtained and how that reflects on the Cardinals.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
How does the manner it which it was leaked and obtained reflect on the Cardinals?
A Rangers employee recorded it and emailed it to a friend who then passed it on to more people. One of which was Matt Sebek, a radio host/blogger with no relation to the St. Louis Cardinals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know that the original source was known.
If someone from the Rangers let the cat out of the bag, then IDGAF.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Last I heard,
they were trying to find the leak.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's what I thought too.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
They found it.
A traveling Rangers clubhouse staff member.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I saw a report that the Rangers handled it internally.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
You mean
they removed all of his internal organs??!! Those bastards!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 8, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I could be wrong
But I’ve assuming that charges of ethical wrong-doing stem from leaking a recorded conversation that was supposed to be private. That said, there’s no way in hell I’m wading into that Twitter-fight nonsense to sort it out.
If a legally obtained recording/transcript gets out into a reporter's hands
then why wouldn’t it be free game?
It would depend on your definition of ethics
There’s going to be a big difference between ethical culpability and legal culpability.
Was it unethical for The New York Times to publish the Pentagon Papers?
Or for any newspaper to publish quotes from anonymous sources?
To call what Sebek or Goold did “unethical” by journalistic standards seems a bit off-base to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Is it unethical for a reporter to acquire classified documents?
Surely a recording from the clubhouse of a pre-game pep talk is nowhere near as big a deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
they started the publication
Ellsberg initially leaked the papers to them, and they started publishing excerpts. Later a larger volume of material got read into the congressional record (by recent gadfly presidential candidate Mike Gravel, interestingly enough).
It's my understanding that Sebek published the recording on his blog
and that Goold transcribed portions of that recording in the Post-Dispatch. My thinking is that, if publishing classified military documents is ethical then publishing classified clubhouse pep talks ought to be as well. But I may be wading into a grey area in terms of journalistic ethics.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ah
I don’t really have a dog in the fight. I tend to think it’s a little ridiculous for anybody to get too worked up over something like this. That said, I do think whoever leaked the recording should not have, and maybe it should not have been posted on the internet in the first place. Once it’s on I can’t see why anybody would make a fuss about re-reporting it (i.e. writing out part of what is now easily available for the public to listen to).
I agree that it should not have been recorded and then leaked.
That being said, I don’t blame Sebek for publishing it. I don’t blame Goold for transcribing portions of it to re-report.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
that recording was already out there by the time Goold & Sebek got to it though, wasn't it?
I thought JoeSportsFan was the first source to publish it. Once it’s in circulation and people are already talking about it, I don’t see what the problem is in discussing it.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Sebek is JSF
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
well, shows you often I read JSF....
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
haha
yeah, I doubt Ron Washington’s little private moment is going to get read into the congressional record (although some Missouri congressperson should totally do this for the hell of it).
Ron Washington's America is an America where Carpenter's pitches get the fuck hit out of them,
where professional athletes, looked up to by children, curse like sailors and mock their opponents instead of coming together to compromise and make the game better for the entire nation, where grown men do jumpy little dances whenever their team scores runs.
America is a better sport than Ron Washington thinks.
by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I for one would love to hear what Carpenter said about Washington before the game
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
I love that somebody mentioned Mike Gravel's name
cause it gives me an excuse to post the. best. presidential. ad. ever.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
by nota bene on Nov 8, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think its more how/why this was released thats got people buzzing.
Don’t think its the content necessarily. Funny thing is the person who was most singled out (Carp) probably would enjoy or even give a similar pre game speech.
by DisplacedCardsFan on Nov 9, 2011 3:57 AM EST up reply actions
what was Albert's weight during his first few years?
He needs to get back to it to extend his career. Other obvious advantages, also.
by setitan on Nov 8, 2011 3:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He should train with Berk this winter
He’d come back in Feb. in the best shape of his life
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to be in the Berk shape of his life
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 8, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He needs to be in the Berk shape of his Berk.
Well, baseball was fun.
by Aranathor on Nov 8, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Berking on our night moves
Wait, what are we talking about again?
by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Men at Berk
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Transform into Alberk Pujols
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
by lightbulb on Nov 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Try to See it My Way
We can Berk it out.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ooh, baby baby - baby baby - ooh, baby baby
berk it real good!
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Salt n' Pepa...beard!
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
by lightbulb on Nov 8, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I got my first World Series ring
After the game sev-en
We played till we beat the Rangers
It was fall of e-lev-en
Me and the guys at Busch
Went on a run and we tried real hard
David hit, Carpenter pitched well
We all knew that we’d go far
Oh when I look back now
That summer seemed to last forever
But if I had my choice
Yeah, I would want to play there
I was in the best shape of my life
(See, I switched it up a bit because we were doing songs about “Berk” but I just made a song about Berk)
by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Bryan Adams eh
Would make a nice addition to your 2011 album.
Still waiting on lyrics to All the Singles Hitters and also WAR by the Sabermetricians
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I have a few more ideas floating around in my head
for Volume III. Freese-Craig, by the A Miles Band. There were a couple more that I can’t remember specifically right now.
Also
You Dropped F-Bombs On Me, by The Carp Band
by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Police And Thieves
by the Molina 5
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Meet the new Berk, same as the old Berk
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
this is awesome!
my mission today is to tell everyone to make things green
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
by IHeartBoog on Nov 8, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are awesome!
rec’d
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I have an idea for one but no talent for it.
The Police- Wrapped around my finger turned into Ring on my finger.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
For the couple other VEBers who ordered World Series gear from Fox Sports Midwest (Football Fanatics),
my order shipped today.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I got the grey hoodie
and the red hoodie from MLB store yesterday.
The P-D reports
that Francona interviewed with the Cardinals today and that Oquendo and Sandberg are supposed to interview tomorrow.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
One hopes he would be in favor of implementing a strict bat-flipping policy
With fines for non-compliance if necessary.
Tie bars: yay or nay?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yay
Functional. And shiny.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Crooked or straight?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I prefer horizontally straight
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
which I guess is the only way it can work straight
duh me
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I think it adds a touch of individuality
And, for the single guys, I’m sure a lot of girls would love to straighten it out for you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Gets closer to the goods mirite
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
All for them
I could eat pho every day of the week
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I always use a tie tack
but a bar/clip is nice too. I do prefer my ties to be contained in some manner.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
yay
i don’t have one, but i surely see the use of them. though i think i prefer tie tacks.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I had no idea what a tie tack was, so I googled it
Ew
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Ew??
I have a very nice opal one that I wear all the time. I get a lot of compliments on it.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not my thing, I suppose
I find a tie bar much more modern
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
they're very small and functional.
and if you’re wearing a suit it doesn’t really show at all.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I never leave home without my three-corner-hat and gorget
by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you on this.
Plus, doesn’t inserting the tack into the tie damage it just a bit? No thanks.
I don't like putting holes in silk ties.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
A wise policy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
also, if you're wearing a tie that's not silk,
you should probably take it off.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Agreed.
Unless it is a St. Louis Cardinals tie with little logos all over it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I have a couple of real nice Cradinals silk ties.
I have to admit though, that I don’t miss having to wear a tie to work one little bit.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
debatable.
non-silk knit ties and wool ties are fine.
by Cardinals645 on Nov 8, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wuss
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
if you put it in the same place all the time...
and always wear it it won’t matter.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Never cared much for tie clips or tacks when I was wearing one.
I wore a tie chain, if anything.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Who wears a tie chain? Do you wear one with a zoot-suit?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 8, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Look At Me And My Crazy Fashion Choices!
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you, TC.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
They're probably out of style now,
but my dad wore tie clips and tacks. I don’t.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think chains looks fucking sharp and don't really care.
It’s not a polyester leisure suit, ffs.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
I realise I am a little late to the game, and that this is unrelated to baseball,
but if you guys haven’t read the grand jury report about the Pennsylvania State University scandal, you need to do so. An excerpt from the 22nd and 23rd pages of the report (slight amendments made for readability):
Victim 8:
Petrosky began to clean the shower that Sandusky and the boy had vacated. As he worked, Jim Calhoun—a fellow janitor—approached him. Petrosky described Jim as being upset and crying. Jim reported that he had seen Sandusky holding the boy up against the wall and licking on him. Jim said he had “fought in the Korean war…seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered…I just witnessed something in there I’ll never forget.” And he described Sandusky performing oral sex on the boy. Petrosky testified that Jim was shaking and he and his fellow employees feared Jim might have a heart attack….
Jim was a temporary employee at the Lasch Building, working there for approximately 8 months. No report was ever made by Jim Calhoun. Jim presently suffers from dementia, resides in a nursing home and is incompetent to testify. Victim 8’s identity is unknown.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
This is probably a bit much for this blog
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
the thought occured to me.
if the powers that be decide to remove it, i will completely understand. i apologise in advance if it is deemed unacceptable.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
flag it if you like.
that would probably get the mods here more quickly.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Yeah...
i mean, this made me feel uncomfortable. I guess that some of the more… shall we say, mature members of VEB would probably find this offensive.
Well, baseball was fun.
Yeah, me too
If it makes US uncomfortable to read, then…
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
no problem.
i should have posted TRIGGER WARNING or something in the subject line if i were to post it.
and i probably shouldn’t have posted it here at all.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I barely made it to the 2nd page of the report...
before I had to close my browser and towel my brow. Pretty sad.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I have a lot of pores above my eyebrows..
I’m a sweater (someone who sweats)… not to be confused with the article of clothing.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I read on through the "victim 2" part
if that’s all true, Paterno deserves every bit of the hell he’s about to go through. To know what he apparently knew and not go to the police is completely despicable. Same goes for the rest of the administration there.
I'd fire a lot of people if I were in charge.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Paterno should be fired for this
Fuck his legacy
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 8, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
it is not only despicable,
it is illegal in the state of pennsylvania not to contact the authorities when you are made aware of something of this nature.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
OMG
well this has certainly convinced me to google the scandal
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Tricky - so they interviewed Francona at DeWitt's home office in Cincinnati
Baby, if you ever wondered
wondered where the owner rests his head
’cause he currently makes his home in Cincinnati
Cincinnati, home of the hated Reds
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 8, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Checked into Johnny Mac's today
looking for WS gear. Wasn’t thrilled with their selection, but they did have Theriot t-jerseys. And Rasmus ones for $6.
#HappySeason
When Ryan Theriot was the starting shortstop, Rasmus t-shirts cost $20.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
idk why, but the whole @fungoes thing really pisses me off.
talk about riding a high horse.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions
Pretty typical of the @fungoes Twitter account.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Did the Giants really trade Jonathan Sanchez to the Royals for Melky Cabrera?
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
Sanchez really dropped off a cliff...on the way down he must have passed Melky climbing back up.
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
Sanchez never fell off a cliff
His peripherals have been the same his entire career. One year he juts had a 3.07 ERA for no reason and now everyone thinks he’s way better than he actually is.
clank? others? math disclaimer
can someone tell me if this proof is correct. it’s extra credit which i kind of need and i think it’s right, but this is not the kind of thing you can just run through wolframalpha to check
shit!
you can’t do that because then it’s just the harmonic series which is divergent and doesn’t tell me anything. maybe it’s right the way i have it. i think i’m overthinking it
i dunno
i think maybe this is something that i just can’t do. it’s extra credit because he made it up in class and wrote it on the board and then he decided that it’s probably not something that calculus 2 level math can prove. i mean the series in question is not an alternating series, so maybe it makes no sense to try and prove convergence by direct comparison with alternating series
we need a clank signal to get this man some extra credit
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
He might be reachable on the Twitter.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
if only I had a clue about Twtter
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I haven't been reachable all day in any form. I'm still at school (yeah, the time stamp is correct)
prophetjohn – I’m with your friend; your proof isn’t valid. If I were doing it, I’d use Laplace transforms, but you haven’t learned those yet. I’m taking the math class that’d be really helpful next semester.
I’m only about 3 semester ahead, math-wise.
Still not a werewolf.
i'm not entirely sure it's something clank will know how to solve
i may need to wait on a response from my friend who get his BS in math in a month and reads books on reimann surfaces for fun
i know clank knows cal 2 stuff, but prof said he thought at first glance that it was something that required advanced math stuff
I thought that math was clank's funhouse along with physics.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
math is clank's funhouse
but i think clank is only a couple math classes ahead of me (might be wrong) and this may require advanced numerical analysis to solve, which i doubt clank has taken yet
gotcha.
he always talks about shit that I’ve never heard of so I figured he was farther along than that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
at the very least
clank is better than me at math and will be able to tell me if my proof is actually a proof or not
I'd say so.
you guys make my head hurt with all that.lol
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
if anyone is wondering, here's the response i got
dang i’m not exactly sure how to prove this right off the bat. indeed, the way you’ve tried to prove it isn’t correct, mainly because sine can be negative. so the problem is, what if the negatives from the sine cancel out all the negatives from the alternating part.
i mean, that series is absolutely convergent, which you can prove using the integral test. the problem is that then you have to integrate sin(x)/x (from 1 to infinity). the way that i really know how to do that involves complex integration but i think you can make a pretty good argument that this integral like they do in this wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirichlet_integral#Double_Improper_Integral_Method (the second way, that doesn’t require the laplace transform). the differentiation under the integral sign is a good way too but more or less amounts to being a more complicated version of the same thing. the only tricky part is that you have to evaluate a bit of an ugly integral (e^(-st) * sin(t)), but i mean i think wolframalpha/a table of integrals can show you how to do it, it just more or less requires some random shit that i assume makes sense if you use euler’s formula
idk, there are easier ways to show it and shortcuts and stuff but all the ways i can think of involve complex variables. there might be an easier way to just show that it’s conditionally convergent though. not sure how at the moment though. i’ll give it some thought.
I don't know how y'all's heads don't explode.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
oh, complex analysis and such would make my head explode
for instance, this is a reimann surface. it is one-dimensional. apparently
i want no part of upper-level mathematics
I can't see how that's one-dimentional.
But it’s pretty, i’ll give it that much.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, I don't get it either.
I’ve also heard that some people claim they can envision four or more dimensions, which I find ridiculous. 1. How could you possibly know what a fourth or fifth or nth dimension looks like? 2. How could you expect anyone to believe you? How could you show anyone that you’re not just full of it?
i think the explanation
for the reimann surface being only one-dimensional is that the complex numbers lie in a different, imaginary plane, but that means that the real numbers are occupying one dimension there and complex numbers are occupying what has to drawn on another dimension, but we are still not accounting for another
and i don’t think that 4+ dimensions is so hard to envision in a mathematical sense at least. you just have to think about the relationship between the plane n and the plane n + 1. for instance, here is a hypercube in 4 dimensions
there are 4
but that’s much easier for me to see than the one-dimensional.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, your initial approach is flawed
I’ll give it some thought as well tonight
by hr on Nov 9, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
you're welcome to
i’m pretty sure it’s not something that is possible at this level of math. there are about 8 or 9 tests for convergence of infinite series that we know at this point and i can rule out all of them.
but if you know about really advanced math, i’m curious what the answer is
Wow
Phillies supposedly preparing to sign a 4 year / $44 million deal (or thereabouts) with Ryan Madson. Apparently paying tens of millions of dollars for the services of relief pitchers never goes out of style.
oh my god, that is a terrible idea! Sign him phillies!!!
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Nov 8, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ibanez, Howard, and now Madson.
The current Phillies regime is not very good.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit
Tim Brown
Confirming Madson with Phils, 4 for 44 mil. Fifth-year option worth 13 mil.
how the hell does this team actually win with this kind of management
yeah, that's pretty awful
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Have a ~25 WAR rotation.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
probably by being early enough on in that management's tenure
that the worst effects of the mismanagement haven’t hit yet. In four years, when they have $36M tied up in Madson and the shell of Ryan Howard, it’s going to be a lot harder.
I know it's been harped on a lot
But Howard’s five-year extension, signed in April 2010 (?!), starts this year:
2012 :$20M
2013 :$20M
2014 :$25M
2015 :$25M
2016 :$25M
2017: $23M club option ($10M buyout)
Howard has amassed a whopping 3.0 fWAR over the last two seasons…
I don't think anyone really knows how long he'll be out
But he could reasonably be expected to miss anything from no time to half the season, from what I understand. Probably more if he has any setbacks or whatever.
this makes me laugh, sadly.
I’m really glad that it’s them and not us.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Who is playing 1st for them this year?
Jim thome ???
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Nov 8, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
that oughta be fun to watch then.
Considering that Thome told the Dodgers a couple of years ago that he couldn’t play in the field anymore.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he can beat out Michael Young in fielding skills at first?
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Nov 8, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
HIT IT TO FIRST BASE
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
the 2nd worst part about Howard's injury
is that the FO will be able to use it as a scapegoat for that turd of a contract
wow, that's $125M committed in 2011, to 10 players
with at least another 10M due to Cole Hamels, and at least 7M to Hunter Pence (both arb eligible). More realistically, something like 13/10 for those two. So that’s 135-144M committed, with 13 more spots to fill on the 25-man roster.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
by SleepyCA on Nov 8, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
eh, 142-151M committed. ugh.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
Who is this?
And what is going on with that glove? Looks like he’s got extra finger slots behind the actual glove, maybe to protect his hand?
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I guess this is Doc H?
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, ffs. Read up, zsg!
Madson, I see.
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by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
It's Madsen.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
what in the hell
11mm/yr for a fucking reliever? has amaro not read or seen or heard about moneyball?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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is that 5th year a team option or what?
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
addendum
In fact, no reliever has signed a four-year deal since Scott Linebrink and Francisco Cordero four years ago.
I’m schaden all kinds of freude here….
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
The Phillies are buckers of market trends.
First with Ryan Howard’s extension and now the Madson deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Nathan signed a four year deal in 2008 as well...
that didn’t work out. None of these long term deals for relievers work… BJ Ryan, Soriano, Linebrink, Nathan, Cordero, Wagner, KRod. Why do teams do this?
Sign Roy O
Because the jason Isringhausen signing during the '01 Hot Stove worked out so well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think i would ever go more than 3 years for a reliever
and 5 for a starter.
I would try to keep those down to 2/4.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Also, $11MM for a reliever is lunacy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Amaro had him by the balls...
he was a type A. Who would pay this and give up their #1 pick?
Sign Roy O
Ed Wade
/wait…
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
How lame would it be to pay half a billion for a company...
and then sit around and wait for Bud F. Selig to hem and haw while Ed Wade runs the show?
Sign Roy O
Don't forget Brad Lidge!
Who the Phillies just got off the books! But I guess they don’t learn their lesson about this kind of thing!
!!!!!!
Teams have been falling for this for decades...
remember when Bruce Sutter blew the doors off baseball by signing a 6 year/$10 million deal with Atlanta? He threw like 140 innings over the life of that contract and had a 5 era…
Sign Roy O
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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They may still win this year
but i imagine the braves and the nationals give the phillies a run for their money this year.
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Nov 8, 2011 6:15 PM EST reply actions
reply fail, sorry.
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Nov 8, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, they will
Nats might give the Braves a run for the wild card though.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
i am excited to see the nationals be good.
i have a lot of friends in dc who are very excited they have a team to root for now (the orioles don’t count) and it’s going to be an awesome team to watch with all the young talent they have.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Ditto, i'd love for them to win the NL east.
I think they are still a few years away from doing that but if the phillies keep making stupid moves they could be there sooner rather than later.
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Nov 8, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Turns out Berk is not a fan of the Astros to the AL plan
He came out and said the Brewers should go back instead, which of course doesn’t seem to have any chance of happening.
this needs to happen.
I think it is unfair for the Astros as well. I know it’s only happening because of geography but they could figure something else out im sure.
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Nov 8, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
i think most people are a fan of this plan (brewers back to the AL),
except selig. so it’s not going to happen.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm with Berk
Send the Brew Crew back to the AL
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I actually think it should be AZ or even CO.
by DisplacedCardsFan on Nov 9, 2011 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
also
I actually don’t like the idea of 15 teams in each league. Seems like a scheduling nightmare.
by DisplacedCardsFan on Nov 9, 2011 5:40 AM EST up reply actions
Random question
with the batted ball data on fangraphs i am always curious as to what balls are considered line drives/fly balls. its based on trajectory right? but like a typical double in the gap is that considered a fly ball or line drive? for example the freese double in game 7
Some of us don't know enough about these other websites to give an answer that would make sense
much less that would mean anything. This would include me. I’ve spent little to no time looking over what FG has to offer.
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 9, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't see it
Generally, BIS has workers who watch every game and decide on the batted ball. Theoretically, it’s based on trajectory and how long the ball is in the air, but it’s mostly just an eye test. There’s fly balls, liners, fliner liners, and fliner fly balls. I’m assuming Freese’s double would be classified as a fliner liner
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
So, after careful examination of a multitude of facts
I see that the Cardinals, although 11-7 in World Series appearances, are 56-56 in games played. This depresses me, for some reason.
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
We historically out-perform our Pythagorean Worst Series win expectancy
Grit, good managing, the Cardinal Way… there are lots of factors.
So, after careful examination of a multitude of facts
I see that the Cardinals WON THE 2011 WORLD SERIES!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I got my 2011 World Series Champions Hat in today....Finally..
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 8, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
this is the only thing I've bought so far
because I’m terribly broke until Friday
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'll get a lot of use out of it
especially if I make it up to Chicago to see some friends in the next few months
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yea thats extra sweet in situations like that..
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 8, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I should have a whole wardrobe of WS gear by then
gotta rub it in
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Me too.
And I live in the US! It’s this one. They say it’s scarlet; however, it’s somewhat darker than this picture.
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
No idea who "folks" are, but interesting...
@SI_JonHeyman
Jon Heyman
mike matheny is absolutely beloved by #cardinals players and pitching coach dave duncan. folks say he has a real shot
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I told my friend I was so confident it wasn't going to be Francona, that I'd bet against it.
Coming from a friend who thinks he knows everything and rubs it in my face and says “When you gonna learn I’m always right.”
Thoughts?
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I'd probably bet against Francona.
I don’t think anyone is such a leader you could take them against the field at this point, but I don’t even think Francona is the strongest candidate. He doesn’t fit any of the attributes they described either.
If your friend will take a bet, i think you should jump on it.
Francona will not be the Cards manager.
by rumors on Nov 8, 2011 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the same ones who went crazy when Ozzie hit that home run.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Nov 8, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Stick bombs
Anyone here built one? Especially a big one? Gonna try to impress / freak out the kid.
#HappySeason
I had never heard of them before your post, but now I'm a little fascinated by them
Here’s a Youtube user who has set a few world records: http://www.youtube.com/user/lunatim
I think the guy has some tutorial stuff in there too.
I stopped by the hobby store tonight
and picked up some multi-colored tongue depressors craft sticks. Gotta wait for Boy to go to bed so I can experiment.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Right, so.
Just got back from my BF’s house where we had a rather unpleasant conversation; the outcome of which is that he isn’t sure that he wants to continue our relationship.
I feel like utter, utter, utter fucking shit. fucking fuck.
Well, baseball was fun.
Better to find out now before you marry and/or have kids with the guy.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
probably not helping.
what happened aranathor
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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but nevertheless a good point
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Ugh
I’ve had a really shitty day anyway; i’ve got to go deal with my Dad’s ashes this weekend so i’ve not been in the best of spirits. So i go over to his house, we usually see each other every day anyway, and we talk about stuff. For the last two days he’s seemed quite distant and not himself and today he was really odd and just totally silent.
I managed to get him to talk about what was up and he said that he was having doubts about our relationship. Given how i was feeling anyway, this didn’t go well and i got really upset. We talked about what exactly he meant, he said he wasn’t sure he still felt the same way about me, but he said he just wasn’t sure. Not that it was actually over.
After a while i asked him what we were going to do now, he had said that he wanted me to stay over. But obviously this didn’t sit well with me and i was quite pissed off at the idea that we could just go to bed like nothing had happened. Then he said he could sleep downstairs on the sofa and i could have his bed. Which just fucked me off some more. What was the fucking point in that? We blatantly need some space from each other. As i was getting ready to leave, he tried to get me to stay again and i flipped out and shouted at him “what the fucking point? I can be miserable here or fucking miserable at home?!”. At which point he said i should leave and i walked out. A few minutes later i went back into his room to apologise, say that i wanted us to carry on and that i still was in love with him. He seemed pretty unmoved by all this and i left.
Well, baseball was fun.
hmm.
your initial reaction, while warranted, probably in turn, turned HIM off. relationships are tough. did he give you specifics? i mean, if a person is just not attracted to another person anymore, sometimes there’s just nothing to be done. if he’s just pissed about one thing that happened, that’s fixable. but if its the former…at least he’s being honest and not saying some shit like “i just don’t have time for a boyfriend right now” while meanwhile trying to gauge the interest of a guy on his softball team….um, anyway. try to get him to be more specific so you can know if its something you can actually work on, or if its something that you can’t change.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I really don't know
I’m just gonna give him space, probably not going to contact him or anything for a while, well til next week anyway. Just gonna see what happens. Seems pretty damn unlikely that he’ll try and contact me first anyway.
Now i’m really exhausted and i’m gonna go to bed. Thanks for the advice.
Well, baseball was fun.
aw. i wish i could be of more help. just remember: this, too, shall pass.
whatever ends up happening, one day you will see it was for the best.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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by IHeartBoog on Nov 8, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this was a while ago
but i just wanted to chime in. keep your head up and keep us updated. i’m very sorry. your week sounds like it’s been pretty shit thus far. i’ll keep you in my thoughts.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
He may have been meaning adoption.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
/i have no idea.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry to hear that.
never an easy situation. As a good friend of mine would say: Fuck’em and feed’em fishheads. If he doesn’t think/know then it’s time to move on. You were doing okay before him and you’ll do okay after.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
That sucks man.
It’s rough, but if something is wrong it’s best to figure it out and either fix it or move on. You don’t want to waste your time trying to be with someone who doesn’t want to be with you.
Has anybody watched that new sabermetric show on MLB?
I just missed it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions
guess i missed it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
found it.
basically, I’ll have to watch it for myself and hope it gets better than everybody thinks it is.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I thought today's episode wasn't bad
But then again, I’m not exactly the world’s greatest sabremetrician. Still probably the best 30 minutes of baseball analysis I’ve seen on tv in a long time. (Note: this is NOT a high bar to overcome)
thanks. I'm recording it later.
I figure that even if it’s not as good as we get on here, it’s gotta be better than BBTN.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
In the same boat
Was it the she I caught where they were breaking down 100 mil contracts by age and WAR? I actually liked it.
I even heard a wOBA reference. Was nice to see on tv.
it still sucks,
but tonight they did have the pres. of SABR on there. Whip and era. Tonight they moved on to obp and slug.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Who is Hill?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that was in 2010?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Steven Hill.
Also had Bryan Anderson.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
I want a powder blue Van Slyke
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
You can order a customized powder blue shersey.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm, that goes on the Christmas list!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Mitchell and Ness has jerseys 40% off right now.
Only McGee, Hernandez, and Brock in powder blue.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Oh my
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
(Still $180-200 for a jersey though.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Can't help you there,
but I can get you a woman’s World Series Dotel t-jersey.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
There's this
lots of names, but not Van Slyke. There is a “your name” one, though, I suppose you could put ‘18’ and ‘Van Slyke’ on it…
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not in 2011.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's really odd that one would be available.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 8, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Grant Hill?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
wat
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
albertfn will love this!
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Since Pujols got to the show in 2001
The Cardinals have had some of the best offensive players in all of baseball. Edmonds, Rolen, Miles, ’08 Thudwick, Holliday, and this year Berk. And yet Pujols was STILL good enough to have dominated each of the Triple Crown categories for this organization since then.
RIDICULOUS?
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 8, 2011 8:25 PM EST reply actions
lest we not forget Wilson Delgado and Einar Diaz
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps because he's a once in a generation player
I’m sure Ted Williams and Aaron and Musial and Ruth and Dimaggio all had similar stats.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
fun fact, Yadi is only the 3rd catcher to play in 2 WS before the age of 25
who are the other two?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 9:08 PM EST reply actions
posada?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
nope
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
winrar
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
read some crazy stuff about berra the other day
he got at least 150 PA in 17 different seasons. He played in the WS in 14 of those.
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
another baseball record that won't be broken
there are quite a few
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
More than any team but his own...
AND THE CARDINALS! 11 in 11!!!!!!
by Cardinals645 on Nov 8, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
another fun fact
McCarver lead the NL in triples in 1966 with 13, and he only had as many as 7 one other season.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't B-Ref fun?
I love going over there and scrolling through that stuff.
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
73 complete games!
678 2/3 innings! Holy crap!
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when people were bitching about the Matt Holliday contract?
Good times.
Also, he’s still incredibly underrated
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
lol people want to trade him
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I had a guy tell me that just the other day.
I just uncrossed my eyes and smiled at him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Holliday for Kinsler!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 9, 2011 7:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He has no moment.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
HE'S NOT CLUTCH!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
still, I was glad to see Craig in there in Game 7
truly I was. Matt looked a little punch drunk in the Series. Still, I am all for Regular Season Matt.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
punch drunk?
more like tendinitis.
It’s like everybody has completely forgotten that he had a monster NLCS:
26 PAs
.435/.500/.652
2 2B, 1 HR, 3 BBs, 7 Ks
IMHO if there’s anything he can really be criticized for (other than not catching that stupid popup), it’s that he got swing happy in Sept/Oct, but I think that was injury-related…..
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
As I said, I was happy to see Craig in there for Game 7 of the WS
I was happy about it then. I’m happy about it now. I’ll be happyabout it tomorrow. Sorry, not much you can say or do to change my mind. His LCS performance is irrelevant to Game 7 of the WS.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Wow. Just read about the contract Madson
Is going to get. 11m+ for a closer is ridiculous. MLBTR says they are also serious about trying to sign Cuddyer…i thought the biggest problem for PHI was that their offense was getting old, and they signed Thome! If they end up giving Rollins 4-5 years, my god. This team will be absolutely fucked with bad contracts.
by mick311 on Nov 8, 2011 9:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
they're making Mo look really fucking smart.
/not saying Mo isn’t smart
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
No, no, Amaro has leadership skills
Those are invaluable. No amount of franchise-mutilating contracts can harm his value as a GM – we would all do much worse.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Anyone seen
this yet? I got a red one today, posted up, different wording, same company (’47).
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
Bit late to start a VEB death pool, eh?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I vote bgh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Heavy D died?
I missed that….
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Just happened today.
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 8, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Matty Alou passed away a few days before Forsch.
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 8, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Jobs ?
I heard he’s not doing so well.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say he's not feeling any pain right now.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
30 minutes of fireworks going off at once
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 8, 2011 9:47 PM EST reply actions
so whilst perusing Cardinals players wiki pages because of sheer boredom
I’ve noticed that most of their pages have a pic of them during the WS parade…sweet!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 9:51 PM EST reply actions
Saw this at Sporcle.com: name the 10 MLB players to have 10K ABs and .300 career average
hint #1 — one’s a Cardinal
so cobb
uhh… honus wagner?
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I'm just thinking about guys with 3000 hits.
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yount
uh… rose (though I think he might be slightly under .300)
speaker
uh…
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fanclub
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molitor
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Rose
Musial
Ruth
Gehrig
Bonds
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
brett
just finished the quiz and actually got that one.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that'd be brett
and looking at speaker’s career.. holy crap.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Aaron and Mays are two I'm guessing
Aaron
Mays
Cobb
Wagner
Musial
Molitor
Brett
Speaker
Rose
Who is the tenth ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 8, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
here's a sporcle quiz that sounds simple enough, but is just fucking brutal
career pitching wins leaders by first letter of last name.
I got 8 out of 25 correct….which was good for 88th percentile.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
oh shit
here’s the correct link. Bah.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
DOESN'T OPEN IN NEW TAB
SBN should just make this the default option. Why would you want to direct people away from your site? Why, Dan?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Nov 8, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah you linked to the answers...
but I didn’t see em…. 6/25. Fuck any quiz that has Izzy but not Seaver, Sutton, Carlton or Maddux.
Sign Roy O
well that's what made it so hard
a lot of terrific guesses are precluded once you get Clemens, Matthewson, and Spahn.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
ryan, uh... glavine...shit
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Gotta be fucking kidding me with i
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - Wiki - PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 8, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
can't say they didn't give you a big hint
I actually slapped my forehead on that one.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
I tried Irabu...
fat bastard only managed 34 wins.
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Nov 8, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
here's the equivalent sporcle quiz
for career homers by first letter of last name. At least these guys are going to be more recent….
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
We need to find a way to sign Albert
don’t we?
I can’t bear the thought of him in another uniform racking up all those counting stat records. even if he’s in decline he’ll be great for years and, more importantly, we have a chance to get to a couple more world series in his next five years.
Just win
agree
It would truly suck to see him in Dodgers or Marlins or God help us a Cubs uniform. He should be in the pantheon with Gibby and Stan, lifetime Redbirds. Economics be damned! Especially since they are not my economics…
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I really want to see him play his entire career here
you don’t really see it anymore. I’d like to see him do the same as The Man, Mantle, Ripken, Yount, Gwynn, Schmidt, Gibby, Williams, DiMaggio, etc.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I feel dead right now
entertain me internet
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Are you Joe Frazier? Heavy D?
If not, you shouldn’t feel dead.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'll feel dead when I want!
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lol, my brother posted this on youtube awhile back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxnK6Usd1dg
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Why did i watch that 6 more times after the first?
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fanclub
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because its addicting
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
now that I think about it
I think that was the night Taguchi hit the HR off Wagner in the 06 NLCS
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Could be.
Mammal. Wearing pants. Unfamiliar with fire so could be the first mammal to wear pants.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
wasnt me, I have much more success/practice jumping bonfires
it was one of my brothers friends
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
hey everyone, don't worry!
i just voted 10 in the fan confidence poll.
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Nov 8, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions
I vote 1.
Why does it feel like we’re losing?!
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter
@fungoes apologized!
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 11:04 PM EST reply actions
Meh. Already unfolllowed.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
It's a pretty worthless account anyway.
This was just the last nudge to get me to take it off my list.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 8, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I unfollowed them over a year ago
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Such a dumb debate...
leaked information is the bedrock of journalism (slight exaggeration).
Sign Roy O
see Woodward and Bernstein
re: Deep Throat
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
the people that go see them.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 8, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
they should stop that
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 8, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Freida Pinto: bueno
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
freida pinto es bonita
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 9, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I think that would be cantik or khubsurat
since she’s Indian
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Some day I will learn how to properly iron a sleeve
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It's a lost art.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
How do you do it?
You just match up the creases and go from the shoulder to the wrist right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
also: non-iron shirts
also: wife
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 9, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
What is wrong with you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Nov 9, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
My wife works way more than I do
I’m not going to throw my chores onto her
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
was jok.
kind of.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 9, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
No excuses fang, you should know that Rui's wife works more than Rui does
Solely based on Rui’s frequent appearances in the comments section.
by Cardinals645 on Nov 9, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it's not a chore, it's a privelege
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 9, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, my wife wanted the computer.
yes, that is the correct way to do it. it gets a bit tricky down by the cuff with the tucks and folds around the buttons. As long as you don’t hurry, it’s not that bad once you get the hang of it. try to use one long even motion rather than changing position. The part that always maddens me is when there’s a fold on the bottom side that shows up on the side you are ironing.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I got a kick-ass iron as a wedding present.
Of course, Josh is a stone-mason. We don’t do a lot of ironing.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
Such a badass profession
I want to get into furniture-building
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Been there, done that.
Gave it up after 6 years. Not enough business.
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 9, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Is it something I can do as just a hobby?
Or is it too expensive?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It's not that expensive unless you are planning on doing a lot of decoration
that requires a lathe. A saw, drill, and router, some wood chisels. you can do a lot of the sanding and planing by hand. it just depends on what you want to put into it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Well, we were in a business, it wasn’t a hobby for us. We had a few of the bigger items (table saw, planer, band saw) already, and bought some of the other big items (lathe, spray booth) used. The main tools we had to buy were drills, routers, rotary sander, other hand tools, etc. The biggest cost was probably the large planer, that could plane/sand a door or large tabletop, and the dust collection system. But, if you’re not looking to run a big shop, and just want to do smaller items for yourself, then you can definitely keep your costs down. It can be a very fun hobby. My partner taught me everything I know, and I enjoyed it for the first 3 years. The last 3 were a different story. I don’t do any kind of woodwork anymore, just got burned out on it.
"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP
by zero sum gain on Nov 9, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
I don't get to do much of it.
Wish I had more time. Thumbing thru a Garrett Wade catalog is almost like porn.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
you people stay off the clamps
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Seriously, get your shirts laundered.
They will last twice as long or longer as compared to washing them at home.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I picked up a book today, 1Q84,
anyone else reading it or have read it??
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 9, 2011 1:04 AM EST reply actions
Ya thats the one, I'll most likely dive into the book during this long weekend I have coming up.
I reckon I’ll see what’s it’s like..
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 9, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
11/22/63
Sounds interesting. I’m kinda wondering if he’s going to tie it into the Dark Tower somehow.
His later-in-life running has been, IMO, a bit hit-or-miss. Some of it is the best stuff he’s ever written, and some of it is the worst stuff he’s ever written.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Nov 9, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
running=writing
dunno what happened other than that I’m still working on my first coffee.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Nov 9, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
you might have been thinking publishing run
rub some dirt on it
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I accidentally made the font on my fb small. Does anyone know how to fix that?
I have a Mac if that helps find the solution/source of the problem.
Command + "+"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
well i guess other than missing archiving
my browser choking on sbn didn’t make me miss much eh
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I am crossing my fingers
for a traditional “Big News Wednesday” today. Sorry, baron. I love your posts no matter what might overshadow them.
there's always near-death from asteroids
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh wait
I think that was Tuesday.
sorry, dude.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
way to kick a guy when he's down
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
i am just full of woebetide today.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
woebetide?
Didn’t know you were a Bama fanboy?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
woebetide is kind of like marke my wordes
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
gotcha
you and your Olde English
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
it's like pidgin really
mmm. pigeons.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
flying rats
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
wait, are we talking about squirrels
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nope. pigeons.
nasty flying rats
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
you know, it occurs to me
how could mattybobo be bored?
this seems unpossible.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Quit your squabbling.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, doesn't he have songs to write?
he shouldn’t be bored for quite a while
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
maybe there's some kind of boredom weather front blowing in
because that just seems beyond the pale
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the cats love them
wait a minute…….you’re not a cat, are you?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
this means i have to rec TBender's comment now.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ummmm.....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
bad day, eh?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
how are you at platform puzzles
The Pretender seems to have concluded with a part 3. Victorian magician rescue puzzles. And also great voice-acting with tiny “eeks” in a very proper London accent.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I should mention
some of the part 1 levels are actually the hardest. part 3 was quite intuitive though still challenging overall.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh wait, I think I have just insulted all my kiwis
it’s a New Zealand production.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
i'm just assuming peeps can google.
there are a billion The Pretender links to choose from, every game site’s carrying it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OT: Any computer savants in the crowd?
My office building is OLD. Like really old.
We had a power failure, and the computer that schedules all the commercials for the business is not able to get past the boot screen.
It displays Windows XP start up, says there was a power failure and asks would I like to start in safe mode, safe mode with networking, last known working settings, and normal settings.
It also says no physical disk, no virtual disk.
Hard drive crash? Shorted out? Any ideas?
My business is royally screwed without this computer.
Was your resume saved on that computer? Hope not.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Nov 9, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Considering I'm the manager of the business....
And the owner was the one that just started flipping switches on the fuse box leading to it to power down… I doubt I get fired.
I am assuming it is a hard drive crash, but I could be wrong.
Did you try starting in safe mode or normal mode?
Sorry, sounds like a dumb question but you didn’t say what happens when you tried to boot into Safe mode or normal mode.
Windows saying “No physical disk!” unfortunately isn’t always an issue. My PC says that every time I boot it. ;) A lot of people using SATA hard drives get that error message but it doesn’t actually cause any harm.
WWCD? CDGAF.
Hard to say without being hands-on, but.
Your best things to try are first to fully unplug the PC from the power source / outlet and let it sit for a bit (some things change hold a charge), at least 10 minutes, then try again.
If no dice… is the important data on that computer backed up? If so, find a Windows XP CD / DVD and boot up with it in the drive. There should be an option to repair the existing installation of windows. Typically data is not lost just when doing a repair, but sometimes a repair can cause data in the Users folders to be lost (e.g. My Documents), so there might be some risk depending on where you are saving your important files.
If the files are not safely backed up, or if Windows repair cannot fix them, your next best bet would be to try and mount that drive on another computer. if you need a quick check, you can pick up a SATA dock (something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707171 ). They’re not expensive and that way you could just hook it up to your laptop / home PC / whatever you’re on now and see if you can get the data off the drive.
WWCD? CDGAF.
without looking at it
it really sounds like a hd thing. or at least the easiest thing is a hd thing. Could’ve lost some code…If I were you and need an instant fix I’d snag another hard drive and throw an OS on it asap (possibly not as easy for you). Try to copy your hd contents to the new one (if you can access the old one). I think that’s the fastest solution if you need a running computer right now.
Something clever...
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