Don't Touch It; It's Hot.
by azruavatar on Nov 6, 2011 7:54 AM EST
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PrintThe rapid turn around between World Series and beginning of Hot Stove has yet to fully set in. It was less than two weeks ago when David Freese was saving the Cardinals season. And it was just about a week before that when Allen Craig was doing so. And about a week before that when Chris Carpenter's game 5 performance against the Phillies occurred. It all happens so fast.
- The Cardinals' managerial search continues and for the most part, I don't care. Tony LaRussa was frustrating with his on the field decisions. I expect every manager to be frustrating with their on the field decisions. These are type A personalities whose jobs are dependent on the outcome of games. They're going to tinker. That said, Mike Matheny might be one of the less frustrating guys they could hire. He's stated in previous radio interviews that, and I quote from memory here, "teaching Yadier how to handle Tony was the most important baseball skill he passed on."
- The danger of Tony LaRussa was never his on the field decisions. It wasn't about his calls to the bullpen. It wasn't about his seeming obsession with small sample sizes between pitchers and hitters. It's hypocritical to argue that managers don't have much of an impact on individual games and then fret about what a manager's on the field tactics will be. So at least make sure that you've got some internal consistency between those two arguments. That doesn't mean managers aren't important though.
- The danger was that LaRussa had the capability and the one-on-one relationship with Bill DeWitt to run players out of town. If there was ever a contest of wills between a player and manager, in St. Louis, the manager always won. Always. Given that our manager was also very headstrong, it resulted in some truly great players leaving before their time. I think we're unlikely to see those situations for the first few years at least with the new hire in St. Louis. I look forward to evaluating personnel decisions without the filter of the manager.
- The hot stove league is about the players really and, for the Cardinals, there is no base like first base where we will suffer through what is likely to be a protracted contract negotiation. I understand that Albert Pujols is an iconic player and, retrospectively, one of the top 5 players of the 2000s but I just can't get over the idea that, even backloaded, this contract is going to wreck the Cardinals payroll. The farm system is much improved but a 30M commitment in 2019 is still a potentially daunting number to have to work around on the back end of a contract.
- Most of the focus for the Cardinals will start off on Albert but the more interesting position for me is shortstop. Without signing a free agent, the Cardinals will have Tyler Greene followed by ... Pete Kozma on the depth chart. lboros nicely sums up my feelings here. Rafael Furcal seems like the obvious answer to our problems and he would still provide ample opportunities for a Tyler Greene. Without Furcal, things get expensive quickly (Jimmy Rollins, Jose Reyes) or less valuable quickly (Clint Barmes).
- A quick search of the Free Agent list shows how thin the market is on right handed CF options as well. Let's clear one thing up: Allen Craig is not a centerfielder. He may be quite good at the corners -- in a similar way that Matt Holliday looks good 95% of the time and then makes the occasional terrible play -- but Craig should not be our first choice as the RH half of centerfield. The Cardinals need some kind of backstop against Jon Jay, who fell apart in the post season at the plate and will need at least a few days off during the year. Adron Chambers is fun to watch but is also left handed. The Cardinals need a little more depth at CF and the market just doesn't have it right now.
- The last thing I want to mention is how desperately I hope the Cardinals stay out of the free agent market for RH relievers. The volatility of these players' year-to-year performance is well known. The Cardinals post season closer, Jason Motte, is entering his first arb year and should remain cheap for the time being. Beyond Motte, the Cardinals have Fernando Salas, Lance Lynn, Eduardo Sanchez and Mitchell Boggs. While the last two are not yet entirely reliable, 2011 showed that the Cardinals are better off poaching from their farm system given the high cost of relievers. The Cardinals will have Brandon Dickson, Adam Reifer (2011 knee injury) and Maikel Cleto as their most likely options in Memphis.
The confidence poll is up to 90 this week! When did we all be come optimists? Did something happen?
Viva el Hot Stove!
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Is tony going to show that Trophy to all the other managers of Sports teams in St. Louis
and laugh? Cause thats what he appears to be doing so far.
Note: i don’t know who the other teams in St. Louis are.
Well, baseball was fun.
STL Blues and Rams, or are you being funny?
Actually TLR has good relationship with Rams coach, don’t know about Blues coach
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Blues are pucky-stick (hockey) and the Rams are of course our hand-egg team.
Just in case Aranathor didn’t realize that.
Caption on photo above is funny
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Oh hockey
you mean this?
Cause i didn’t think Girl’s sports were popular with you guys.
Oh wait, is this the one with the ice?
Well, baseball was fun.
by Aranathor on Nov 6, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
check the gams
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I like any sport that has girls/women running
(Long-time women’s/girls soccer coach here).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I played that in high school!
It would be cool if I get to move back to my old school district if I get to coach the Freshman or JV Field Hockey team.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
cold pucky-stick
can also be referred to as violence ball (or violence disk) if you prefer to draw the distinction that way
I'm British
as far as US sports are concerned; i know the 30 MLB teams and that there is a team called the ‘Lakers’ that play some sport or other, and that TLR’s daughter is something called a ‘cheerleader’ for a team called the ‘Raiders’ who play another sport i don’t understand.
Well, baseball was fun.
by Aranathor on Nov 6, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Back to your Toad-in-a-Hole, Shop Keeper!
:=8O
jk…..
;=8)
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
this just looks wrong...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toad_in_the_hole.jpg
:=8P
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
Well if u can;t get it onna stick...
…then it CAN’T be Haute cuisine…
;=8)
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
I miss British sauseges...prevents full English breakfast
Otherwise we have all the ingredients at the house, even the Heinz baked beans
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
There's always eel pie and blood pudding....
:=8P
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
Blood pudding is more European
here we call it Black pudding (same stuff though)
Well, baseball was fun.
And the explanation for Spotted Dick???
:=8.
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
Stop making me hungry
That stuff (and Bread and Butter pudding, which is basically the same thing) is SO TASTY.
Well, baseball was fun.
Thats from the wrong part of the country for me
Too be fair, you guys can do somethings right. e.g. Clam Chowder, cheesecake, mexican food.
Well, baseball was fun.
I miss Streak and Kindey Pies, Sauseges with onions at boot sales, and chips
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Streak and Kidney pies?
is running around naked while eating a kidney pie? sounds difficult and messy.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I made a spelling error or an "r" addition
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
actually, you misspelled 3 words in your original post
but who’s counting?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
actually you are apparently
But yes you are correct
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
how'd you like your eggs?
Also, i miss US style baked beans. Only you guys could add maple syrup and bacon to something already so tasty.
Well, baseball was fun.
over medium and a little runny in the middle
Also, my wife tells me Brit and US baked beans are totally different things, and they are. We have pork and beans which to me is almost the same, if not the same taste as Brit Baked Beans. However we by the Brit Hines ones because she disagrees.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
How bout Angels?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Naw, Scioscia doesn't do that either.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Schu is from CA and in interview last year would not mind being back on left coast if Cards don't sign him
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I think he meant "Angels in the Outfield"
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Nov 6, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think TC got that and was being witty / and correct with his point
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ah. Well.
Carry on then, nothing to see here…
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Nov 6, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Sugar Shane
is an outfielder. He might have a shot next year of making the club. Not my preferred option but he is preferable to Corey Patterson.
A pre-frontal lobotomy is preferable to Corey Patterson....
SCHNAP!!!
;=8)
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
a brick wall is preferable to CP
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Esteban Yan > Corey Patterson
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Esteban Yan=brick wall?
sounds about right
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
god, wasn't that a ride? wonder if it's still going on
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
I'm glad someone picked up on this.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
beast mode on broken bat single > corey patterson
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
i would be happier
if Shane Robinson was never on our Major League roster again. He’s just not very good.
Well, baseball was fun.
And kind of puny looking to me
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
What's he like against lefties?
Seemed like he had a huge reverse platoon split at Memphis this year, but that’s just 43 games.
Sign Furc for =<$5/6M and give TG the op to make it or don't at the The Show behind Furc
Also, probably keep Schu, who can backup JJ in Center.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
seconded
I’d start with a 4 mil base for Fookie, incentives for it to go to 6.5 million.
And since he’s, you know, old, play Greene at least 40 games, barring Ryan Jackson insisting upon an opportunity midseason.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be pleased
if Jackson insists on a mid-season call up (and not in the Kozma, we don’t have anyone else, way). .
"they will" probably
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Schumaker should never play center field or second base.
I hope that, whatever position he plays, it is for another team.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, no reason to have a "back-up center fielder" who is also left-handed, is a defensive downgrade, and likely an offensive downgrade as well
There is just no reason to do that.
I think Skip stays if Albert goes
Otherwise, clearing salary = he’s doomed.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
he'll be third-year arb eligible
and we’re going to have to get creative with plucking a few million here and there.
skip’s replaceable, but i’d guess the team doesn’t want to replace him unless they have to until wong’s arrival, partially because of his clubhouse standing (hasn’t strauss said schumaker might be the most popular player on the cardinals?). if albert departs, i think you want to keep as many of the clubhouse backbone guys as you can.
but if albert returns and we’re left squirming to find salary room here and there, i think we’ve got comparables on the cheap. and if we can pay descalso to man 2B for 1/5 of the cost, we will.
we really should, regardless; but like i said, i think skip has a standing within the organization that might be higher than we comprehend.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
With TLR gone, I'm hoping that the calculus used for determining the roster will be different now.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I would hate too many off season changes
Team has a great vibe. Not saying I definitely want to keep Schu but don’t screw to much with success, Post 25 Aug team makeup that is. Some of the new guys should obviously go, but I would like to see Furc and Dotel stay….and we still have Scrabble tied up
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
this team needs to do something better. We can’t sneak into the wild card every year.
Well, baseball was fun.
Yeah, they can certainly upgrade where there are obvious upgrades to be made.
Replacing Skip’s roster spot with someone better, but still cheap seems like a place to start.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
the MIF is the biggest concern
resigning Furc is obviously our best option. LOOGYs shouldn’t be too hard to come by, they never are.
Well, baseball was fun.
Do you remember the first half of the season?
There’s a reason we traded for Zep and picked Rhodes off the garbage heap.
But Rhodes was not particularly good.
He certainly didn’t pitch any better than Miller had. Rhodes was to the Rangers as Miller was to the Cardinals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
That's more or less my point -- effective LH relievers ARE hard to come by.
The reason we picked up Rhodes wasn’t that he was good, it was because there was nobody else that was clearly more available/better.
I don't think Rhodes was any better than Valdes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
He might not have been.
I’m just saying the reason the Cards picked him up was that they weren’t satisfied with what they had, because LOOGYs aren’t as easy to come by as Aranathor asserted.
a good LOOGY is hard to find....
Not sure why we insisted on cycling out crappy lefties when our righties could’ve done a better job.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Jay's career MLB splits
vs. LHP: 180 PA/.296/.356/.377/.733
vs. RHP 646 PA/.298/.348/.436/.784
Jay also did not have much of a L/R split in the minors. I don’t think it’s as big of a problem as the middle infield.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
Middle infield is the bullseye that Mo needs to be aiming at. After that whole Albert thing.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Concur...the gaping pnemonia hole that was The Riot at short was killing us
While he was our SS, it is what it was
We know this.
Sign the Furc’er
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Not too shabby
though I do think we’ll see a running streak of stopgaps at SS for a while longer. Plus, Jay hit pretty well against lefties. Jay’s wOBA vs righties/lefties: .341/.320. wRC+: 117/103
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
we fixed many of things with the bullpen changes last year
a few new pieces here and there and we should be a 95 win team.
Grit != flat out sucking.
oh yeah, i agree
its just worth remebering that all of our October sucess came, to some degree, at the expense of of the failings of others in september and thus just ‘keeping the team together’ is ulikely to guarantee sucess.
Well, baseball was fun.
eh
a 90 win team is a 90 win team. A 90 win team gets into the playoffs a lot. I don’t like the whole “at the expense of the failings of others in september” Since they were only in the wild card race “at the expense of our failings in July”
Grit != flat out sucking.
90-win team
is what it is
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
we might be a 95 win team with the return of wainwright alone.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
considering the indians took lowe and his 5.05 ERA
and are still paying him 5 million dollars, i wonder if we could eat some salary and replace jake with somebody more cost-effective.
…nevermind, i just saw that he has a full no-trade. wow.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
After next season, Lohse & Westbrook leaving will free up $20MM.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think we're likely to receive that from him.
I think Westbrook will have a better 2012, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Lohse led the Cardinals in FB rate
while Westbrook led them in GB rate. I think Westbrook would benefit more from quality fielders in the MIF than Lohse but it certainly helps both.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
didn't Westy also lead the team in walk rate?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
For starters, yes.
0.50 higher walk rate than 2010 and 0.60 higher than his career rate.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
MIF definately affected his pitch selection
he will be much better this year
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, you're right.
I thought Lohse let enough balls get put into play to make up the difference, but nope. Lohse actually had the lowest OBP against, and 2nd lowest OPS against of any starter.
similarly
Westbrook might actually be good in 2012. 2011 could have been an aberration.
Well, baseball was fun.
Martinez could be ready for 2013 too
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
towel
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think Lohse and Westbrook will be fine with a SS behind them
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
not arguing that
we’re talking about the next year when they’re not here. Westy is going to have to knock his walks down. that was what really killed him this year.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
With a SS he will pitch more to contact, w/o one he had to try and pitch around edges of plate
= more walks
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
probably a bit of a stretch.
but pitchers are a funny breed
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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a rotation of
Wainwright
Carpenter
Garcia
Lohse
Westbrook
~~~
Lynn
Scrabble
Miller
Is pretty good. Lynn / Scrabble make a good 6/7 starters. Miller may actually be better than Westbrook now, but I’m okay with starting him in AAA for a while. Depending on how the season goes, Miller could get a cup of coffee in September, or if things go sour, Westbrook / Lohse could be traded at the deadline and Miller gets a start.
Grit != flat out sucking.
meh. if we said, "you can waive the NTC and go to
The Mets and start all season, or you can stay here and either hope for someone else to get injured before shelby miller comes up for your spot or get used to being a long man," he might come around.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that senario is possible
but why would the Mets want him if they have to pay him? And if we have to pay him, why trade him to clear up a spot for Lynn/Scrabble?
Grit != flat out sucking.
i don't want lynn or scrabble in the rotation
they give us a lot of value in the pen. just 47.1 IP between them, and they gave us 1 WAR. that is excellent relief, considering Boggs pitched 60 innings on his own and only gave us .3 WAR
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Schumaker was a part of the sub-.500 baseball in June and July but played less often in September.
Month/Schumaker PAs/Team Winning %
April, 54, .615
May, 21, .586
June, 81, .423
July, 81, .500
August, 86, .536
September, 72, .692
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
bgh
you’re better at defensive metrics than me – looking at descalso’s time at 2B (18 games, 82 innings) last year vs. skip’s, how does it look like they compare?
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Defensive metrics are essentially meaningless in such small sample sizes
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"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i don't think they're entirely meaningless.
i think in 80 innings you can, at least, get a sense of whether or not a guy looks like he’s on an alien planet at a position he doesn’t usually play.
you could look at descalso’s fielding numbers in the minors at 2B, too.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
You mean the, "got a bad jump because he misjudged the ball and then made an incredible last second jump to make the play" awards?
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Aka the Jon jay award
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
C'mon
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
The metrics aren't that telling.
But, having watched Descalso at second base in the minors and Schumaker at second base in the majors, I think that Descalso is better defensively at second base. Descalso has softer hands and better range. But, I think that Descalso is a bit overrated defensively by Cardinals fans because of his very good start at the position filling in for Freese. I think Descalso is about average as a defender at second base or third base.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah. i think assuming descalso is average on defense -
he is, in essence, skip at his best.
offensively, it’s pretty close to a wash. skip may be more advanced at this point, though descalso’s OBP was higher in a pretty comparable number of PA’s.
but, skip’s getting older, descalso is at league minimum and will probably improve offensively. i can’t see the argument against descalso.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Like you, I think Descalso will hit as well as Schumaker (which isn't that great).
But, I think Descalso will field at a much higher level (average). I think you’re underestimating just how horrible Skip Schumaker is at defense. He has stone hands and the range of a potted plant.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'm with you.
average = skip’s ceiling on defense. not good.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Skip's ceiling on defense is subterranean.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Descalso>Theriot>Mole People>Skip>Tebow
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Nov 6, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Descalso>Mole People>Schumaker>Theriot>Tebow
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Theriot is better than Skip at 2nd. But you might be right about the mole people.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
This has been my rallying cry for a while now
If we have Descalso, we have no need for Schumaker. I know that the clubhouse and personality stuff might actually come into roster decisions and it’s all out of our hands anyway, but Descalso is a younger, cheaper version of Schumaker. Also, there’s the whole “last names” part.
Actually Descalo seems to be a great clubhouse guy as well
And could be an actual player /actor if they decide to make that Gas House Gang movie
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Average is all we ask.
After the season of lacklustre defending we just endured.
Well, baseball was fun.
amen!
like robot, i’m really interested to see what an unfettered moz’s roster moves would look like. but i really, really, don’t see the point of schu on this team. i hope we cut some inadequate redundancies. or redundant inadequacies, whichever.
Do it for Torty.
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by tom s. on Nov 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this was supposed to be a reply to aranthor below.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2011 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think the fates of Pujols and Skippy
are unlike the fates of Men, Elves and Dwarves. They are not intertwined.
Well, baseball was fun.
The phrase I keep coming up with in the face of the Pujols negotiations is "a luxury we can't afford."
I never use it, though, because Schumaker is not a luxury. Schumaker was worth -0.2 Fangraphs WAR in 2010 and 0.6 in 2011. He is dead weight on a roster that must generate surplus value at nearly every other position if Pujols is going to get a stupidly long and expensive contract from the Cardinals. But, even if they don’t sign Pujols, they shouldn’t just waste money on a no-glove utility man who doesn’t walk and can only hit for a .300 average if he’s really lucky.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Schu wouldln't primarily be back up CF if he stays, he would be platoon at 2nd and could give JJ a break once in a while
Point is they probably keep him
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone even bother looking at stats on this site when it comes to Schumaker?
He is an abomination in CF and at 2B and in the batter’s box.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
You say that like we don't know it
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
schu is also left handed. that does not solve the problem.
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Barmes vs. Furcal
From what little I’ve seen of Barmes, he appears to be a good defensive shortstop. He does not hit particularly well at all with a career .303 wOBA and a .308 wOBA in 2011. Barmes appears to be a glove-first, glove-second, and glove-third shortstop who might occasionally draw a walk or get a single.
At this point in his career, I don’t think Furcal is anywhere near as good as Barmes in the field. Furcal is only one year removed from a .366 wOBA and managed a BABIP of ~.240 despite a healthy uptick in GB rate. In terms of intangibles, Furcal started the “Happy Flight” mantra. I think the Cardinals need to aggressively pursue Furcal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You should compare Brendan Ryan's 2011 with Barmes' 2011.
They are eerily similar. Ryan and Barmes are essentially the same player except that Barmes has more power and Ryan has a bit more speed.
Barmes is a joy to watch in the field. Great timing, arm, and hands.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not opposed to Barmes but I think there's more potential offensive upside with Furcal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Agreed. I like Furcal better as well, just saying that anyone who still pines for Boog
Can get pretty much the same guy in Barmes. Actually Barmes was better this past year, mainly because he hits with more power than Boog.
Furcal and Barmes were the guys I wanted at the trade deadline, and the’re still my preferred options.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I also think it’s a safe bet that the Cardinals will sign one of them.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And Punto, for that matter...
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Keep the shredder!!!!!!!!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I hope we let Schumaker and Theriot walk, re-sign Punto and Furcal, and then stick Tyler Greene on the 25-man.
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by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, all of these things.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
all year i thought punto
was way older than he really is. why did i think he was 37?
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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Is barmes really as good a defender as Boog?
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Barmes UZR/150 over the last three years
Is +13.5 compared to Ryan’s +10.4. Same pattern holds if you use the last two years together, or this past year standing alone. Ryan played more innings at SS, though mainly from 2009. They played the same amount of innings in 2011.
I watch lots of Astros games, and to my eye, the numbers are justified. Barmes is really good. I’d still probably take Ryan because I think he has a bit more range and can make more exceptional plays. I think Barmes’ hands are better.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
There's more health downside with Furcal too.
I still prefer Furc to Barmes, but that’s worth mentioning.
If we don't re-sign Pujols
then you won’t have to worry about Craig in CF. He doesn’t really worry me that much considering that he’d really be playing only one game a week there and Chambers could sub in another day if jay needs a day off. I know that doesn’t make a helluva lot of sense, but there really aren’t that many lefty starters compared to righty starters. It makes about as much sense as putting Craig at 2B to get his bat in the line-up and a lot people think that’s an acceptable option. And that’s only about one game a week as opposed to 4-5 at 2B. Would Pham be a viable option? I know he doesn’t stay healthy, but if he’s not playing everyday he won’t be as exposed to injury.
/weak argument but just trying to pose options in a optionless market.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions
I agree about not minding Craig in CF
It’s not like it’s everyday, we had Skip in CF, I’m the playoffs no less, and survived it, and Craogs bat needs to be in that lineup, plus he doesn’t need to learn to turn a dp to play CF
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 6, 2011 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't think Pham is ready yet
and I’m not sure he will healthy for the start of the season (anyone else know?). If he is healthy he should get bumped up to Memphis this year. I still hold out hope he can make an impact with big club.
Mike Cameron Still Exists
Yeah, he’s really old, but he’s righthanded, can still go get balls in center, and put up solid numbers in the NL last year.
Plus I’d love him as a Cardinal if for no other reason than “trolls fans who can’t bring themselves to root for the original untucker”
He got released from the Red Sox and spent the remainder in baseball purgatory
I’ll bet he could be had for < 2 mil.
…of course, 2 mil for a backup OFer isn’t feasible if you re-sign Pujols.
We cud get Ank for league minumum....
…and a pocketful of lint. Just sayin’…
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And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
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I wouldn't want him if he was paying us
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
he was traded to the Fish in July and then released by them in September. But still, he should be TOO much.
Well, baseball was fun.
I doubt Cameron will cost much.
The Red Sox unconditionally released him and ate his salary. The Marlins then picked him up for the minimum only to release him. I bet Cameron will be affordable if not cheap to sign.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
posted this below as well, but
this article not encouraging re: cameron.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
This has been an interesting turn of events to me.
The Red Sox perform a battery of physical tests on their players each year and Cameron scored good marks.
“We tested all of our players,” says Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein. "He finished a tick behind [left fielder] Jacoby Ellsbury — second out of everyone in camp- in all of the quickness and agility testing. He was second in the vertical [jump. He was second in quickness — the 10-yard dash, 30-yard dash, all that stuff.
“On strength testing, he was right up there with everybody.”
It’s not the first time that Cameron wowed a new club shortly after arriving. Four years ago when the Padres tested for hand strength, Cameron was one of only three players to “pin” the needle and the only one to do it with each hand.
That was two years ago, of course, and is in actuality probably more a cautionary tale on signing players to contracts into their late 30s.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Actually seems to be worth the (minimal) risk.
He had a .287 BABIP with a .224 BABIP. He could conceivably have a .315ish wOBA with slightly below average defense. I wouldn’t mind it.
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*That's .287 wOBA
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Images allegedly of the new Marlins uniforms are absolutely hideous
I hope these are not the actual uniforms.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah. Orange with a technicolor logo.
It’s like the Astros of the 80s, but worse. I really hope this stuff is some sort of misinformation campaign and the real logo, uniforms, stadium home run thing are actually reasonable. Fans deserve better.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard to be worse looking than the Stros of the 80's uni's
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
what fans?
have you ever watched a Marlins game? They could put in HS type bleachers and it would safely hold everybody.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
The decisions the Marlins have been making about this stuff
does not seem conducive to building a fan base.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
The stuff is embarrassing, like they're running a modern day Producers
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the plan is to drive attendance below 800,000
So they can move the team to Cleveland.
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by tom s. on Nov 6, 2011 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Ze penalty for breaking ze Loria Oath is DESSSS!
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by monkeysareblue on Nov 6, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
they're not.
they came off an internet message board. just a guy messing around with photoshop.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
The logo is still awful.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Thank goodness.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
For CF, any interest in.....
…the Ankster?? We know he;s not gonna hit, but he still has that cannon arm and can play CF. I think he’d be a good player to bring back and play 20-25 starts a year, just for that golden arm alone! And I bet we cud get him cheap! CHEAP CHEAP FUN FUN!!
:=8)
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And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
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by The MooCow on Nov 6, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The thought of having Ankiel back on the lineup
makes me feel physically ill.
Well, baseball was fun.
Bat him 8th....
..and watch the outfield assists pile up…
;=8)
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And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
Besides....
…Jay would remain the #1 starting CF in that scenario.
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
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as stated above
why bring in another left handed hitter to back up CF?
Fun game; Identify these 3 left handed CFer’s oWBA:
.294
.302
.333
Grit != flat out sucking.
Its their Women's Basketball Association stat....
;=8)
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And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll help
They are the last three left handed CFers to play for the cardinals.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Seconded
Please no Please no Please no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yet another lefty
We’re looking for right-handed options, not lefties.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
But...but....
…arm cannon! In CF! Cheap!
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And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
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No please!!!!!!!!!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Would rather have him than skip f'n Schumaker.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Corey Patterson is available....
yeah, I went there.
;=8)
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I dunno, Skips a better hitter, neither has great range
And Ank’s arm is amazing but it’s erratic and Skips is pretty good. I don’t want either but not sure why I would want Ankiell over Skip
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 6, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ank is a 3 pitch strikeout machine, unless of course we already have 10 runs
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Ankiel is a competent CF: -2 UZR/150 for his career
Skip is terrible in CF: -10 UZR/150 for career.
Also, is Skip a better hitter? Over the last two years, Skip has a wOBA of .300, Ankiel has a .302.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, I never looked up Ank's number, I just knew he was a terrible terrible instant strikeout hitter
I guess that’s what I get for not looking it up before I mentioned it, I just assumed Ank was Corey Patterson @ the plate
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So what "truly great players" did TLR run off "before their time"?
I’ll almost give you Rolen (the “before their time” is not a slam dunk, IMO), but otherwise, I have a hard time finding examples. Ryan and Rasmus don’t count; Ryan’s ceiling is surely “good” rather than “truly great,” and Raz hasn’t yet shown he can reach that “truly great” ceiling we all thought he had. Otherwise, I find it very difficult to identify any top performers who left “before their time,” i.e., did better for someone else than for the Cardinals, or delivered cost-controlled value, etc.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
Rolen and Ozzie
where the only truly great players. Neither was “before their time.” Boog is a great defensive shortstop, but he is going to be on the wrong side of 30 next year, and is just a good player. Not sure if that was just a Tony thing either.
Rasmus remains the only player who has potential to be “truly great”. Time will tell.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I've never understood the Ozzie thing. Ozzie was done and didn't want to acknowledge it.
It’s hard to nudge an icon out when he doesn’t want to go. Not everyone sees the writing on the wall, like McGwire, and goes out without being shown the door.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I might almost concede Ozzie
on the grounds that if TLR hadn’t run him off, he’d have become a Musial-like franchise icon when he retired. On the other hand, I can remember my late father grumping that Ozzie had become a problem for the team before he got PNGed. The old goat (my father, I mean, not Ozzie!) was, among other things, a fulminating, hateful racist, and I’m pretty sure that he saw Ozzie as a “problem” largely because he was a successful and well-liked black player — yet he may have known something I didn’t.
In any event, Ozzie’s time as a “truly great” PLAYER was clearly over by the time TLR ran him off.
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
i'm willing to say right here and now
that i don’t think rasmus is ever going to be a “truly great” player.
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Yes, under respected and pretty good
But certainly not truly great
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And Rolen helped run himself off.
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For the second time in his career no less
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 6, 2011 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's not quite accurate
Rolen was going to be a free agent at the end of the year when the Phillies traded him. I know he didn’t get along with Bowa but he wasn’t the only one.
Do they still shower Rolen with affection when he plays in Philly?
I havent watched him play a game with the Reds in that park.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
JD Drew
Yeah, that trade worked out just fine what with getting Wainwright (and Ray King and Jason Marquis weren’t awful either), but you had no way of knowing that at the time.
I don't see that as "running him off" as much as "you have to give something to get something."
A lot of long-term pitching value came our way in that trade.
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
That was Tony running him off
That was Jocketty knowing he couldn’t resign him and getting something for him while he still could. And seriously, you’re going to complain about having Wagonmaker?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 6, 2011 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll echo this thought
Complain about small sample sizes in the TLR decision process
…then turn around and saying the risk of TLR as a manager is based on a handful of players—out of hundreds who played for the Cardinalsduring TLR’s tenure—that he “ran out of town before their time”.
I guess Whitey never ran players out of town either (say hello Keith and Garry)…..
A far bigger error than “running” Rolen out of town was signing Tino.
Dave
Right-handed CFers
Off the top of my head:
Reed Johnson
Mike Cameron
Kosuke Fukudome
Coco Crisp
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
There's always Grady Sizemoore...
;=8)
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He has stated he's willing to do one year deal to prove self
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I had Grady Sizemore play on my MVP 2005 Owner mode team for like 10 years
He hit like 500 HR, IIRC
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's not right handed but...DO IT!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
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you sure you could handle having Sizemore and Freese on the same team?
your little heart might not take it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I could take it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
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oh i bet you could
Well, baseball was fun.
by Aranathor on Nov 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Everyone is so mean to me.
Why do I still hang out here?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
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cuz we're just joking ya
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
don't worry CG
they just can’t handle their own suppressed desires
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Coco Crisp, Kids go crazy for 'em ... or was that Coco puffs?
Plus he has mad base stealing skills and hit’s the odd HR. But how much does he cost?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't know about that, is he?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Float like a butterfly
sting like a cereal mascot
Well, baseball was fun.
by Aranathor on Nov 6, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Oh, half of the dudes we traded for Chuck Finley?
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by monkeysareblue on Nov 6, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was a switch-hitter for some reason.
But he isn’t. I screwed up because he throws right-handed.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Can Murton play as a passable CF?
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Does playing in Japan negate that?
Eh, probably not.
Also:
Tigers fans cheering for Murton use handmade goods painted with corporate colors of the convenience store chain FamilyMart Co., Ltd. and letters “Family Murton”. An employee for the chain saw the goods, and FamilyMart have been selling 5 collaboration products with the Tigers to cheer for Murton and the team since September 21, 2010 only in the Kansai region; “Family MurTonkatsu Omusubi (ファミリーマートンカツおむすび?)”, “Family MurTonkatsu Bento (ファミリーマートンカツ弁当?)”, “Kachi-Tigers!! Tora-yaki Custard (勝ちタイガース!!とら焼きカスタード?)”, “Kachi-Tigers!! Fruit au Lait (勝ちタイガース!!フルーツオレ?)” and “Kachi-Tigers!! Crepe with Chocolate and Banana (勝ちタイガース!!チョコとバナナのクレープ?)”.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Cubs Care effect?
Go ask Patterson
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately not, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
klaw chimed in on that recently....
resounding no.
Of course, klaw neither appreciates nor understands the Cardinal way.
Sign Roy O
Seriously Cardinals fans are easily the most defensive in the Majors
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Prove it, you coastal elitist!
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by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
VEB...very funny!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
"centerfielder" comes in quotes when discussing
Reed johnson. We’d do just as well with craig or holliday in center. Fukudome and crisp will be too expensive. I’d think about cameron if he’d sign a six-figure contract, but his prospects are dimming quick.
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by tom s. on Nov 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mo should get Matt Kemp to play CF
Get Drew for Short stop, and Brandon Phillips for 2nd. Keep Albert at 1st.
Team would have a chance to win the batting title again.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Why not just get all the best players? Reyes, Rollins, C.J. Wilson, etc.
What’s the deal with all the “budget concerns” here? The Yankees know what they’re doing.
by chriswallace on Nov 6, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
OT: But newsflash to Subway: October is over.
The Anytober commercials can go off the air now.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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That was a helluva month
Footlong veggie patty sandwiches for $5 was pretty awesome.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 6, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
But it makes me sad because I get my hopes up but then I realize it is actually November.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Yay! Daylight savings!
I just realized it’s only 9:40 here! (Of course it’s going to be pitch black at 6:00 tonight….)
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 6, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions
Daylight Saving Time messes with my sleep schedule for about a week
you would think an hour doesn’t matter that much, but it messes me up for some reason
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 6, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm BBQing right now
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 7, 2011 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
i was like 'woo, an extra hour, now i can sleep in and still get up at a reasonable time'
and then i slept in even relative to DST
Honestly...
the best option in CF is probably Mike Cameron. He’s exactly what we want – good defense, hits lefties, cheap. He’ll have to start 40-50 games and he can come in late when teams try to loogy Jay.
Sign Roy O
any chance we could get Willie to un-retire and play 30 games?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Give Edmonds Bionic Ankels, put him in CF and let the Web Gems begain
We have the technology dammit!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
No thanks but funny...why doesn't VEB spell check my subject lines!
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
here you go
http://travelinlibrarian.info/2007/06/make-firefox-spell-check-all-form/
Grit != flat out sucking.
thank you very much
Lemonade sweet lemonade
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Edmonds is actually an interesting idea.
If he’s still in decent shape, sign him!
by chriswallace on Nov 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
We did do this.
His ankle is mangled. He can’t play anymore. He wrecked it trying to help the Reds win in 2010.
by Cardinals645 on Nov 6, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
the reds break all our best ....
or they try
would've.
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Everyone knows ankles aren't required for playing baseball.
Just ask Mike Napoli.
by chriswallace on Nov 6, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
didn't we almost lose him for extended periods this year, too?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he was on the DL with a broken hand or wrist
that’s why he was wearing the protective batting gloves
Balls
Because glass is stronger than what his ankles were originally made of.
by Cardinals645 on Nov 6, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
so anyone nervous about his making the showbiz circuit?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he has all offseason to nap
Motte doesn’t ever sleep
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's okay...
he did great with the Marlins and he’d have two days off for every one day on.
Sign Roy O
This.
Mike Cameron can take a month off at a time and chill.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Yeah thats gonna happen
Right after the cards sign Chad gaudin.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 6:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah Guayzimi! STFU and stuff!
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by YesWeOquendo on Nov 6, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
So what might a trade with the D's for Drew look like?
What would the Cardinals (have to) give up?
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
Carlos Martinez and two C prospects, I'd bet.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
dbacks view drew as untouchable
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The Indian caste system truly is ridiculous.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
why don't i understand this joke.
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by IHeartBoog on Nov 7, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I want us to sign Albert no matter what, even to a contract that looks like a future albatross.
Signing him will probably make us better for the next two to three years than not signing him. That plus getting to watch an all-time legend for his whole career is worth (to me) the difficulties our FO will have in making the team great for the next four years after that.
Also, as long as we keep doing a good job in the draft, it’s not like way overpaying his last four years will totally cripple us.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Is it me or is weird he put up the donated statue last week?
Is it:
A: A sign he is gone, i.e. leaving the statue behind (it’s weird an active player has a statue in his own city)
B. A sign he’s committed to staying for full career and wanted a statue by the same artist, to be placed beside Stan’s when he retires? (might have been afraid the sculptor would die so getting it now for use later).
p.s. i know it was an “anonymous” donation.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not A. It could be B, but it's not like athletes aren't pretty tone-deaf about PR at times.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
You'd be increasing the level of difficulty to compete by a huge factor
Plus Yadi needs to be resigned, Wainwright will probably get a salary increase if he rebounds completely, and any injuries that will happen will make finding suitable replacements unlikely (unless the payroll goes up a lot).
$25-30 million per year is a serious impact to ANY payroll, even the Yankees.
For small market teams, that’s half your team. The other problem is if Pujols sucks for the last few years, can you bench him in favor of a better option? Or would you continue playing him just because he’s one of the greatest players ever?
by chriswallace on Nov 6, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed yo
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cody Ross
is a right handed OF who has played centre in the past. Just saying.
Well, baseball was fun.
Why not just use Craig in CF?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I would guess Ross is quite a bit more cromulent than Craig, defensively
I dunno, I could actually be wrong about that.
And if that's not good enough
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
The double plays.
Nothing frustrated me about the 2011 Cardinals more than the GDPs, except perhaps Ryan Franklin. In 2010, only three Cardinals hit into double-digit GDPs. In 2011, there were seven. Albert led the team two years running with 23 in 2010 and 29 this year. Lego went from 13 to 21. Freese, from 7 to 18. All this without much of a difference in contact rates on outside pitches. I’m at a loss. Was it just bad luck?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
I think it was a mixture of a ton of guys on base, Albert swinging too much outside the zone, and bad luck.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Too many baserunners clogging up the bases
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
What we need is fewer baserunners
Fewer baserunners=fewer double plays
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Or more extra base hits instead of singles
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
MOAR DINGERZ!!!!!!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
ALWAYS NEED MORE DINGERZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can’t have to many
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
i'll take a healthy David Freese for $600, Alex
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
So what you’re saying is, sans luck, we can expect more of the same next year?
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- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I would think so. As long as we lead the league in runs again, I say let's shoot for the mlb record!
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Yes!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Plus my sig has WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO s
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Freese's plate discipline did go to hell this year
2010 O-Contact%: 52.9%
2011 O-Contact%: 67.8%
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- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
it's like 29ish isn't it?
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
7 in 2010, 18 in 2011
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
And Theriot...
he’s always been bad, but this year his O-Contact rate was a career worst 84.1%. But even that didn’t translate into a lot more DPs…15 this year, 13 the previous two years. So, one could argue, Theriot had one of the luckier seasons on the team, certainly the luckiest of his career.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
13 in each, 2010 and 2009
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
He was also low in the order a lot so less base runners clogging bases ahead of him
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Where could you find the number of PAs at different spots in the order?
Because IIRC he was hitting 2nd almost as often as he hit 7th or 8th.
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- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
In TLR's lineup trash can
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
send it to Cooperstown!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Misleading stat:
you have to look at his O-Swing as well.
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by monkeysareblue on Nov 6, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
need moar buntz!
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by peppermartin on Nov 6, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's combination of high OBP and high GB%. The Cards led the NL in both.
I think Pujols elevates the ball more next year, after all the GBs he hit in April/May, but this team puts a lot of balls in play. I think we’re in for a bit more of the same.
Yea, being slow hurts too.
Though with this team’s speed, not trying to teal bases is probably the right idea. Though, more CS would probably lower team GIDPs
less baserunners clogging up the base paths
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
That a relatively slow team.
Neither Freese, Albert, Molina, or Holliday are all that fast. More specifically, the first three are “slow.”
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I feel the need
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
at the risk of sounding like a buy everything fan
what would it take to get Peter Bourjos from the Angels? do we have anything they need? seems like they might be willing to listen given that Trout is right behind him, and man that would be a nice piece to put in CF.
oh god.
i would love bourjos in centre. i don’t know why the angels would trade him though.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
What do Bourjos' K and walk rates look like in the minors?
’Cause they look pretty bad in the majors.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know, but from everything i've read about him, this is likely to continue
but the guy is a defensive wizard and still will probably be close to a league average bat.
cherry pies
we get all our best players with pies, why would this be different?
by Cardinals645 on Nov 6, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I thought of something, but I don't feel it's appropriate to type.
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Has anyone heard
If McGwire wants to return? I know Dunc does but haven’t heard anything about Big Mac’s status.
I don't see him playing CF either, and we don't need another 1B man
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Good point at least McGuire still has feet that work
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think you can consider the entire coaching staff "in flux"
until the new guy shows up.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
List of FA center fielders
Willie Bloomquist 3B / LF / CF / RF
Mike Cameron CF / RF
Endy Chavez CF
Coco Crisp CF
David DeJesus LF / CF / RF B
Kosuke Fukudome CF / RF
Jerry Hairston SS / 3B / LF / CF / RF
Scott Hairston LF / CF / RF
Willie Harris 2B / LF / CF / RF
Reed Johnson CF / LF / RF
Nate McLouth LF / CF
Jason Michaels CF / LF / RF
Corey Patterson LF / CF / RF
Cody Ross LF / CF / RF B
Grady Sizemore CF
Dewayne Wise CF
ugh
i don’t think i want any of these guys, except maybe Grady on a cheap 1 year deal, and i’m sure someone will pay him more than i would want to. what a crappy list.
Grady is lookinig for 1 year deal and probably can be had cheaper than he other wise would have been
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ah we'll see what the market brings then, obviously we do not need another Berkman like price
I’m not saying I was against the Berkman deal…I was hoping for another year pending the AP deal, then hopefully more Berking after that is all done and dusted.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Some of these guys have value
as a backup to Jay. Half of these guys bat left-handed, so I’m gonna strike them off my list (bu-bye, Grady). Of the eight that are either right-handed or switch hitters (Crisp), three of these guys had OPS+ of over 100, with Johnson topping the list at 122. Crisp posted the highest WAR, at 2.2f and 2.1b, and Johnson and J Hairston were essentially tied for second at 1.2f (Johnson scored a 1.3 bWAR, Hairston a 1.1). Of the three, Crisp made $5.75M, Hairston made $2M, and Johnson made $900K. Most of Johnson and Crisp’s value came at the plate, Hairston’s seemed to be split down the middle, but then, he plays a lot more positions than the others. Crisp is 32, Johnson 34 and Hairston is 35. Based on all this, I think Johnson might be a cheap solution. Careerwise, he hits lefties at a .311 clip with a .832 OPS, though he was pretty even this past season. Just a thought.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
wtf happened to mcclouth
he fell off a cliff hard
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3.9 and 3.4 WAR in 2008 and 2009 respectively
then -1.2 (!!) in 2010, and .2 in 2011
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he just turned 30, its not like he got old or anything.
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Also, Adam Dunn
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yeah that. wild crazy stuff.
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remember that one time
when we wanted to pick him up instead of signing holliday?
Grit != flat out sucking.
fukme!
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
That's a pretty decent list if we're just looking for a backup centerfielder
Cody Ross, Mike Cameron, Coco Crisp – these are all ~ averageish players (IOW, about as good as Jay) who can be had from pretty cheap. They are also RH.
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That's a pretty liberal definition of "able to play centerfield" for some of these guys.
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Keeping Theriot.
All metrics and to my eyes, he’s at least an average defender at 2nd. He hits lefties fine. We shouldn’t offer him arb., but if he can’t find a full-time gig as a FA and would come back to us really cheaply, what are thoughts about getting him to platoon with Punto or Descalso at 2nd and backup our SS? Worth a roster spot?
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Theriot will probably get $3.5 to $4M in arbitration
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, don't offer and maybe let him back depending on all other moves / acquisitions
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
what's the point when you have Greene on the 40 man?
not saying they are the same player, but what does Theriot give you that Greene doesn’t? and he’s gonna be significantly more expensive.
Concur and to get any value out of Tyler need to give him a chance to play and show some worth then play for us or have value as a trade right?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Cub fan agony
My roommate still loves Theriot and hated cheering for him as a Cardinal.
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- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
he can have him back
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
i was reading through BCB's Game 7 thread last night
and they still hate him. Even more so now that he’s got a ring with the Crads.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
More Cubs misery!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
If he is going to be more expensive, you're right.
I think he’s a more useful player than Greene, but not if he costs more. We can decline to offer him, and then he’d be a FA, correct?
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
yeah, as far as i know
i just don’t see any way Theriot will cost less than $2 million, even after 2011, i don’t know why he’d lose a substantial amount off of his salary. someone will give him a chance to be a shortstop.
I absolutely agree with you if he's $2m.
If someone gives him a full-time job anywhere, and will pay him for that, I don’t want to outbid that.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
understood
i mean, he made $3.3 million in 2011. i don’t know why he’d get such a huge pay cut. he was worth more this year than he was in 2010, and he got a $3.3 million contract coming off 2010 (which, oddly, seems like it was just about what he was worth, as much as we hate on him).
He'd only get that paycut if nobody thought he's worth starting anywhere, which isn't an impossible scenario, is it?
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no, i guess not
i guess i just feel like given the state of shortstops in the league right now, someone is going to be dumb enough to give him their SS job for a year, just as we were.
Not if they were paying attention to our pre / post trade infield hits allowed
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
He's not a more useful player.
Greene – .288 wOBA with a .284 BABIP (Career)
Theriot – .288 wOBA with a .300 BABIP (past two years)
And Greene is at worst a -2.0 UZR/150 SS I’d say while Theriot is most likely a -5.0 UZR/150 2B and an even worse shortstop (He’s not an average 2B. You aren’t THAT fucking bad defensively at SS and then magically become average at 2B.)
Basically Greene’s better than Theriot NOW and there’s actually potential with Greene whereas Theriot will probably get worse.
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I don't see how you can assume Theriot is a -5 UZR at 2nd.
Also, if we’re talking about a strict platoon situation on OUR team (Which was what I specified above), I think Theriot’s splits are quite useful. His tough AB, high OBP, low K-rate against lefties is valuable. What are Greene’s splits like in the minors? If he gets on base at a high rate against lefties, fine. Go with him. But if he K’s a lot and doesn’t have a good OBP, I’ll take Theriot for that platoon job, despite Greene’s superior power and speed.
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Theriot's been worth about -11 runs defensively in about 1000 innings.
He was worth about 1 run above average in 1000 innings the last two years at 2B. Now, both of those are relatively small samples but given the fact that the eye supports the numbers (and really i feel like he was much much worse), it’s not a terribly faulty assumption to say those -11 runs are his true talent.
But usually, as usually WMT is normally the defender here, a 2B’s defense is the same as SS except he just has less talent defensively at 2B than SS given the degree of difficulty. According to the Book, a SS gets about a +0.5 increase from playing SS and a 2B is neutral. Well then I assume there’s about a 5 run increase in playing 2B from SS
So I reach the conclusion that Theriot’s true talent defense at 2B is somewhere around -6. Given his recent success there, I’d be willing to move it down from between -3 and -5 but no more until a better sample comes through.
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Well I did an awful job of creating competent sentences.
Summary
- A 2B and SS play with the same amount of defensive talent however what changes are the peers. The shortstop pool is much more talented than the 2B pool. About fives runs or so according to the Book. So a 5 run SS is a +10 2B in theory of course.
- Theriot was worth -11 runs defensively at SS over 1000 innings which is close to his true talent. Given that a 2B is about five runs better, you’d expect him to be -6 at 2B. Given his +1 at 2B in 1000 innings the past two years, I’d lower that down to -3 or -5.
Plus he’s getting older so his defense should automatically be considered worse than what he has been in the past. So a +1 2B (largely accumulated last year) should decline to below average defensively. Couple in his bad rating this year, and I dont think it’s a stretch to say he should be expected to be -5 defensively at 2B.
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He plays deeper and makes shorter throws; they're not the same position.
Those two factors both mitigate his short-comings as far as range and arm. To my eyes, he was fine at 2nd (though this might be influenced by the Skip factor), and his numbers have been fine. -1.6 UZR/150 in 1000 innings last year, and great numbers in 200 innings for us (+17.6 somehow). I’m not saying he’s a +, but I’m not sure how you get he’s minus, let alone -5. The math of “he sucks X at SS, therefore he’ll suck Y at 2nd” doesn’t make sense to me. I’m reading your 2nd post here: Is the -5 due to the talent shift of average, or does it account for positional differences as well?
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(and to be clear, I don't really care if Theriot is on the team next year. There are obviously negatives,
and he might not be cheap enough for a platoon gig anyway. I’m curious about the positional adjustment math, though. It doesn’t make sense to me. Enlighten me!)
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My attempt.
An average defensive SS is greater than an average defensive 2B. Easy to accept right? Well, Tom Tango did a pretty good job of figuring out how much more we should value defense at SS than a 2B’s defense. Using past performance, he figured out that an average fielding SS was about 5 runs greater than the average defender. An average fielding 2B is truly an average defender across the spectrum.
(1B are traditionally bad at fielding as it’s -10 runs worse than an average fielder. LF and RF are -5 runs worse than the average defender while a CF is 5 runs greater. A catcher is 10 runs greater, though with catcher all bets are off as for as positional adjustment is concerned as it requires a very different skillset)
Anyway, a player moving from SS to 2B is not exactly rare. Well history of fielding metrics tells us that a player who moves from SS to 2B typically gains 5 runs more than the average defender. Since the skillset is roughly similar, it’s not that radical to say that on a consistent basis, a SS moving to 2B will become 5 runs greater than the average person at his position.
I’m roughly new with this concept so I’m not sure I did a good job, but that’s all I know.
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This makes sense to me:
Anyway, a player moving from SS to 2B is not exactly rare. Well history of fielding metrics tells us that a player who moves from SS to 2B typically gains 5 runs more than the average defender.
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But this does actually make the player "better"
Moving from SS to 2B only decreases the level of competition for UZR purposes.
In other words, every player who moves from SS to 2B will get the same bump Theriot would. Even Tyler Greene.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Greene, here's a fun fact.
He was a 30.0 UZR/150 defender in the OF. Granted that was 17 innings but that’s fucking hilarious.
Also, in about 400+ innings, he has been exactly average at SS. Doesn’t that fact kind of negate the fact that he’s been negative defensively across all positions in his short career?
(I say this with the full realization that he hasn’t played enough to be meaningful, moreso for people who think that his -7 runs defensively in less than 1000 innings is statistically relevant.)
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 6, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Playing deeper and making shorter throws doesn't make him a better defender
Or increase his UZR. All 2bmen have the same ability to make shorter throws and play deeper and to get those same advantages. Theriot does not get some special advantages there over other 2Bmen. Someone like Tyler Greene will gain those same advantages at 2B too, only he’ll still have a better arm and better range than Theriot.
All you’re saying is that because of his weak arm and poor range, 2B is a better position for him than SS. This is no different than recognizing that Berkman’s poor range makes him a bad fit in CF.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I’m not arguing that Greene wouldn’t be a better fielder than Theriot. Of course he would. I’m just arguing that Theriot has been very close to average or better at 2nd, and he’s looked fine, so I guess the projections based on his problems at short aren’t 100% convincing to me, though I’m starting to understand the logic.
Anyway, in my scenario, Punto starts and Theriot just plays against lefties, where his particular skill set would complement the rest of our hitters more than Greene’s (unless someone can show me that Greene has good OB skills against lefties. I can’t find much on milb or BR).
I think you’ve mentioned you want Greene to get a shot starting at 2nd, and that would be fine with me. His speed would be really nice, and his offense should be much better than Punto’s. My defensive concerns are all sss-related, I suppose.
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Ryan Theriot can't do shit like this....
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I don’t think Theriot has some magical skill set as a RHB to hit LHP. All batters hit opposite handed pitchers better, there are just some players (the better ones) whose splits are negligible.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
MILB splits show that his OBP is slightly worse vs. LHP.
I would say as much as .020 points of OBP, but I’m too tired to do the math.
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it won't matter anyway.
it’s not like he has a true reverse split, because no one in baseball does (except maybe Ichiro, I guess).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, shelby miller and trevor rosenthal both have a "reverse split"
vs. LH batters, including K/9.
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yeah i think Rosenthal was the one you posted that surprised me
not that it’s necessarily real but if i recall there was a surprising number of innings.
right, I tweeted about both
Shelby Miller had a reverse split as he struck out 12.57 K/9 vs. LH batters and 9.63 vs. RH batters.
63IP (vs. LH) and 73 vs. RH
#stlcards Trevor Rosenthal’s K/9 splits, 11.36 K/9 vs. LH batters, and a 8.77 K/9 vs. RHP. #reversesplits #milb
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Shelby Miller had a reverse split as he struck out 12.57 K/9 vs. LH batters and 9.63 vs. RH batters.
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Why hasn't he stuck?
He has + speed, + power for his position, and seems to have flashes of brilliance defensively. Yet he’s not stuck with our team. We signed Theriot, for fuck’s sake. Is Mo just totally missing something? Was it all on TLR? Greene looked to me like he has pretty poor plate discipline, and not a lot of on-base ability. Is this wrong? If it’s wrong, give him the job. If it’s not wrong, I’d rather have Theriot platooning with Punto if he’s cheap. If Theriot can find someone to pay him like a starter, good riddance either way.
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He hasn't stuck because his batting average has been low at the major league level
It’s naive to think that this organization is objective about Greene’s talent, when they so clearly prioritize veteraness over potential.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't claim they were objective about his talent.
I asked a question (well, a series of questions).
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That's why he hasn't stuck, because the front office is not objective about his talent
His major league numbers are bad, but not so bad that they should overrule is minor league ones especially given that he’s gotten less than 400 PA scattered over 3 years.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
there's also a matter of the injury thing
which can’t have earned him any goodwill. i don’t think Greene not sticking at the MLB level has anything at all to do with an objective talent evaluation.
Do you think
that it is very unlikely that the step up in pitching from AAA to the Majors exposes issues that make his batting skills unplayable?
(sorry for the awkward sentence, but I think you can parse it)
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I don't think there is any evidence that Quad A hitters exist
If they do, a high strikeout would probably be a defining trait, however, there is no way to know how much high strikeout guys suffer upon promotion compared to low strikeout guys.
Greene has hit worse than his MLE’s IIRC.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
one last question:
The next time he’s on the major roster, he has to stay there, is this right?
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I don't know
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
He was up in 09, 10, and 11
so he should be out of options. If that’s true, then he’d have to clear waivers to go back down.
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by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
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i think it's a confluence of things.
Greene’s major failing is not necessarily poor plate discipline, it’s that he swings and misses too much. The major concern with Greene has always (IMO) been his K rate and it is a real concern.
He also missed a full year in the minors because of a major knee injury, which affected his minor league development.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
ah, this makes sense.
And you (and most here tonight) think it’s worth giving him a shot next year to see if he can work out those swing and miss issues given his talents in other areas.
OK.
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i think it's worth giving him a shot
if the alternative is some hack like Theriot or Skip.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
The positional adjustment from SS to 2B is -5
IOW, the average shortstop, when moved the second base was about five runs better compared to the average second basemen.
I don’t think Theriot is a -5 SS, I think he’s worse. At least -10 IMO, which would mean -5 at 2B is a good estimate.
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i dunno where "at least -10" is coming from
applying a healthy dose of regression to the mean for UZR numbers, which should always be done, probably puts him around -5 accounting for past numbers and age
His past 1000 innings he has like a -15 UZR 150
And he’ll be 33 next year.
Yeah, with regression he’s probably more like -5, but he looked like -10 to me this year.
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I think that a lot of the arguments for cutting ties with Skip can be made for Theriot as well.
His production could be replaced for less money. Between Punto (hopefully), Descalso, and Greene I just don’t see it.
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by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
No. Greene is a better hitter, better fielder, more versatile, younger, cheaper, much better baserunner, can play OF if necessary.
No, there is no reason to put Theriot on the roster.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Better hitter"? In what parallel universe?
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Theriot had a .292 wOBA this season.
Greene had a .302 wOBA. They are also on opposite points in their careers. Theriot is on the decline.
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by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Greene's wOBA (and wOBA+) are badly inflated by
the fact that he drew a huge number of walks (and also HBPs) while batting in the 8th position. He isn’t better at hitting; he is arguably better at walking, and that only if you believe that walks right ahead of the pitcher are as valuable as walks leading off. Failure to draw this distinction is the biggest beef I have with wOBA. ANYBODY can draw walks when the pitcher knows the next guy up is completely harmless.
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, he's right in that drawing IBBs in front of the pitcher is not necessarily a real skill
But Greene only had 2 IBBs last year.
Bullshit
You have no idea how many extra walks Greene got by batting 8th – just because there is a bias doesn’t mean you can throw away his stats.
According to B-R, Greene had 60 PA batting 8th in which he walked 10% of the time. He had 61 PA not batting 8th in which he walked 11.5% of the time. Also, when Greene bats 8th, he gets less hittable pitches for the same reason.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow nice job, was going to find it but glad I saw your comment first
Talking out of your ass can really get you to say things that are just plain false.
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Like, you know, stats that we use to judge hitting.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'll amend this.
Unless we’re using really shitty stats like batting average, Tyler Greene is a better hitter than Theriot. And that’s just using ML stats over the last two years. If we were to project hitting using minor league stats (like ZiPS), Greene would look even better.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
BA is hardly a "really shitty stat"; it's just an incomplete one.
A very low BA is a warning sign of a hitter whose deficiencies can be exploited if a pitcher chooses to do so. Many times, that choice is not made for a batter in the #8 hole, as Greene normally has filled.
Ominous trivium about Greene’s hitting: his MLB career slash line when leading off an inning (at which times the pitcher doesn’t want to work around him and get the pitcher for the third out) is a frightening .156/.235/.208. With nobody out, it’s .214/.287/.256; with one out it’s .268/.339/.454; with two out it’s .176/.300/.245. Exactly have his career walks have occurred with two out, even though barely a third of his plate appearances have been with two out.
For this player — and he is in a minority — I will believe the BA/OPS message over the wOBA message. He has not shown he can hit in the major leagues, period.
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you think BA parsed the way you have is a better measure of offensive ability than wOBA or wRC
then more power to you.
Again, if you want to say that Greene hasn’t been a very good hitter in the majors, I agree. If you want to say that Greene is a worse hitter than Theriot or is likely to be a worse hitter than Theriot next year, then we’ll have to disagree.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow the sample size on those numbers is so incredibly irrelevant, it probably doesn't mean anything.
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!
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Sorry I have an irrational hate for Theriot.
Irrational hatred + I can support my opinion somewhat by facts = Get the fuck off team.
Seriously, WHY DO YOU LIKE THERIOT SO MUCH? I don’t even think I have the capability to withstand watching him play again next year. I see no redeeming quality about him. Wait, he’s pretty decent at working the count. I’ll give him that. That’s it. He’s not good at hitting, defense, baserunning, and as from the interviews, he seems like a bit of douche. (Which really doesn’t matter but while I’m piling on…) He’s also not that “team player” because he complained when he moved positions. Fortunately, he had no leverage so he had to play 2B.
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I actually don't like him very much (definitely seems like an ass), but if he came back very cheaply and we keep Punto,
I think he’d possibly be worth a roster spot as a backup and platoon 2nd baseman.
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You're probably right.
But I just don’t want him on the Cards for mostly personal reasons.
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I think you're right, but Greene is just a better option and can play SS too.
No reason to keep Theriot as long as we have Greene. Basically our MIFers should be Furcal (hopefully), Descalso, Greene, and then either Punto or Theriot. I’d rather have Punto myself.
I definitely prefer Punto to Theriot, though Punto's health concerns me.
I haven’t looked at the roster closely, but given Punto and Freese’s health concerns (and that Descalso will continue to back-up Freese), we still could use one more infielder. What’s wrong with keeping the whole bunch and replacing Skip with Greene? If that too many IF?
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Yea, I think 5 MIFs would be too many.
2 C, 5 OF, 4 MIF, 1B, and 3B makes 13 guys. I’d be surprised if they put less than 12 pitchers on the roster.
I figure:
Yadi, Cruz
Holliday, Berkman, Jay, Craig, RH CF
Furcal, Descalso, Greene, Punto
Pujols, Freese
Greene > Skip.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 6, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
In just about every way really.
Better 2B, SS, probably a better hitter. Might be a better CF too. (But let’s not find out.)
by Cardinals645 on Nov 6, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wow I read his post wrong.
For some reason I read replace Greene with Skip. That makes a lot more sense.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 6, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wait. You're saying that Skip > Skip doesn't make sense?
How not??
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Theriot saw 3.83 pitches per plate appearance this year.
Greene saw 3.95. Greene is better at working the count than Theriot too.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder when that kind of thing stabilizes
either way, i think it’s only good analysis to say that we can’t safely say anything about greene the MLB hitter
that doesn’t mean that there’s any reason to pay theriot $4MM+ to platoon next season
i don't know what the argument is
but WMT sure seems to be trying to convince someone that greene is a better player than theriot
The argument is whether or not there is a price at which Theriot could come back and be the small part of a 2B platoon.
by Cardinals645 on Nov 6, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
probably not
the roster spot could be better spent developing guys who are free and young. i would rather spend money on the roster spots that we can’t fill for free nam sane
but i dunno
if they figure out a way to bring him back for a million dollars, it’s not really that big of a deal, despite how some here will portray it
i'm confident Greene is a better player.
but that’s not even my goal. i just think there’s no reason to expect or project Theriot to be a better player next year than Greene.
the idea that anyone would want Theriot or Skip on this team next year pains me greatly.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think it's theriot versus greene anyway
it’s theriot versus some other scrap heap middle infielder to play backup, like punto, who isn’t so attractive when he has a .280 wOBA and/or can’t stay healthy
theriot’s probably never the best choice, but we’re talking a quarter of a win or so difference if we’re using median projections
Nobody wants him to platoon
Look Theriot isn’t an abomination or anything, but he sucks and there is no reason why we should give him playing time next year at the expense of a younger player.
Even if you don’t want to give Greene shot, I’d much rather re-sign Punto, or sign Barmes than Theriot.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Scratch the word younger...
insert the word cheaper.
Wouldn’t Punto + Greene < Theriot in terms of salary?
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So at worst, Punto and Greene would cost the same as Theriot. And you’ve got 2 guys capable of covering the MIF as needed.
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Yeah lets kill Theriot!
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Too much effort.
Just give him a ring and wish him well.
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well there are exceptions to every rule
wait,,, no,,, that’s a slippery slope. we just can’t go down that road
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Allen Craig for Martin Prado.
There are some signs that the Braves are willing to trade Prado. Craig provides them with offense. SI mentions that the Braves need to fill a hole at LF. Prado gives the Cardinals a high average hitter with decent power, who can play multiple positions well. Seems to me this fits the needs of both teams. Prado’s also not much more expensive than Schumaker (at the moment), and still has another year of arbitration eligibility. Anyone think this makes sense?
high average hitter with decent power who plays multiple positions...
allen craig?
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
rephrase:
i’m saying the dude you’re looking for is allen craig.
by RedbirdAvenger on Nov 6, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
do I have to put the milk carton out again?
would've.
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Craig'll take over from Berk in 2013 (probably)
and by then Prado will be an FA
Well, baseball was fun.
this
I just really want to see Craig make it with this team.
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Don't disagree
Just trying to think creatively. Maybe the way this works is to get Prado to agree to a 3-4 year contract following the trade.
it would definitely fill a pretty bad need for MIF
and then Chambers would be the heir to Berk. so I guess the question is…do you think Chambers can make up Craig’s production in the OF?
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
do you think Chambers can make up Craig’s production in the OF?
absolutely no chance. still could be a valuable player though, i think.
Definately has speed and got on well with the club
Team cold use some base stealing next year
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
if we got a decent right handed CF (which i hold out no hope for), i’d be all for flipping Jay- i think Chambers could absolutely replace Jay’s production- maybe not in 2012, but soon enough.
more valuable in a trade?
although I think if Mo came to the Braves with a deal involving Chambers and something extra for Prado, they’d just demand Craig anyway.
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes no way we should be dealing Craig
I like him long term
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Plus...
Craig is cheaper too (and a WS hero to boot). With a really good year in the minors it is conceivable Kolten Wong may be ready for a big-league audition in 2013.
or Cox
he’s played all over the infield
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don;t think anyone in the front office
sees Cox as a solution at 2B. I think they’re hoping he can be adequate at 3B.
How about we keep them both?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't read that correct at first glance
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
gotta take more than that
Cox and Swagerty? don’t know why the Angels would do this though. doesn’t seem like they’re an organization that would trade a useful (good) ML player for prospects at this point in time, unless it’s overvalue- i might think about Martinez for Bourjos, but maybe i’m overrating Bourjos.
Ah. That's a lot. You're probably right; I really don't know minor league values very well.
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i mean, i don't either
maybe i’m totally off here. but Bourjos is 24, plays as far as i can tell ++ defense in CF, is very fast, and seems like he will come close to approximating a league average hitter for a while. that sounds like a very valuable player to me, and i can’t imagine the Angels would ever think about trading him, except for the fact Trout is there too.
I think that's a Martinez for Bourjos is a reasonable trade
since Martinez is so far away and Bourjos is already at the MLB level. I wouldn’t make that trade, but it’s reasonable.
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this
we’re like the Rays, or the Giants. so many pitchers coming down the pipe…
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not sure we're quite there
but we do have a fair number. the fact that we have FOUR SP prospects with significant upside really excites me, because i’d think there’s a pretty decent shot of at least two working out, and they’re going to hit in a fairly short timeframe.
Miller>Lynn>Rzep>Martinez
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Miller>Lynn>Swagerty>Jenkins>Rzep>Martinez
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
s/Swagerty/Rosenthal, or 7, i suppose
you really think Swagerty’s a better SP prospect than Jenkins?
about the same
big jump from Lynn to Swagerty and from Jenkins to Rzep, IMO. could change though.
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
huh
well i am willing to take others words on it, as i don’t know a lot, but my gut feeling is still that Lynn is never going to be a very good MLB starter. i’d rather see him as a really good setup man for the next several years, and then perhaps a closer.
and i’m not sure why you’re rating Martinez so low, unless if you’re maybe talking about expected value. i think Martinez has more potential than anyone, maybe even including Miller.
Martinez has stalled a bit
showing command problems, not really responding to coaching. but he can still turn it around. i’m not down on him, i just think it may take him longer than we might like. all i know about swagerty and jenkins is what others wrote about them when we added them. lots of upside, typical for good prospects. swagerty finished the year at AA, jenkins is still at rookie level.
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Miller>Jenkins>Rzep>Martinez>Swagerty>Lynn
I don’t see Lynn making it as a full-time starter, and I think the “prospect gurus” are horrible underrating Jenkins.
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by monkeysareblue on Nov 6, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lynn's been a starter at every level in the minors
and he showed real progress at AAA this year before being called up. 2.92 FIP in 75.0 IP for Memphis. i think he deserves a look, at least…Lohse sucks it up or Carp gets hurt and he’ll be the first choice to step up.
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
What does that mean/
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
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Thank you...it's allllllllll coming together now
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
is this the nats' rallying cry for strasburg?
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Cardinals cry for Miller
Strasburg wasn’t benefiting anybody at AAA
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
A young Plus defensive CF in the majors is worth more than a pitcher in Class A
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're severely underrating Martinez
I would also classify Martinez as a AA pitcher.
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right, he's a A+ pitcher, the same as Cleto when we acquired him.
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A comparison to Cleto is absurd
they’re totally different players. If you’re simply referring to the level ignore my previous comments.
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I wasn't really comparing, I was just making a comment on someone who was in A+ last year
Shelby Miller probably would’ve been a better comparison, but eh…
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right, I'd be a little upset if he were because I don't think he's ready.
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by YesWeOquendo on Nov 6, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nice
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
then why call him a AA pitcher?
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because he's going to pitch there this year
and I feel that that’s his level of refinement right now
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if that's his level of refinement right now, why isn't he pitching there?
i’m sorry, i probably am coming across as an asshat now, and i’m really not intending to be, but i just don’t understand your reasoning.
this seems like a really valid question, it's not like Martinez
had an amazing 10 starts in palm beach, why should we assume he can handle a way tougher league?
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I think martinez was tired last year. It was his first full season of full season ball and got smashed when he was called up to high A, mostly because lefties killed him and his control wasn’t great. I think it also depends on how you view Martinez. I could see him having a similar career path to Neftali Feliz.
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eh, I just don't see why we're putting any label on a prospects level
when he hasn’t even pitched there, and probably won’t until around june of next year and that’s if he blows the competition away.
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I didn't put a label on him
I merely responded to someone else’s label with my opinion of his level of refinement
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So if I feel Shelby Miller's level of refinement is at the major league level
it would be appropriate in calling him a MLB pitcher?
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So you're ignoring the level of refinement comment
or have a unique opinion of Bryce Harper. I’d be interested in hearing it.
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i just don't understand what you mean by this "level of refinement" stuff
Bryce Harper is not ready to play 162 games in the major leagues. he COULD, probably without embarrassing himself, but that’s not how baseball prospects are developed.
Players generally become more refined
as players the further they progress through a minor league system. I don’t think many people feel that he’s completely ready for the major leagues, but AA seems pretty beneath him at this point. John Sickels has written about the development of a player quite a bit, and has discussed the levels of player development….how each player learns new things at each level. AA is generally considered a pretty big step from A+. That’s what I mean.
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i'm sorry, i still don't follow
what would your opinion of what Bryce Harper be, then? i hope you don’t say AAA, as Bryce Harper may never even play AAA baseball.
I'm not sure you're understanding
what I’ve said. I’m not talking about the most recent level of play.
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what is your opinion of Bryce Harper's "level of refinement"?
i’m confused. you say he’s not ready for the majors, but that AA is beneath him. i’m pretty baffled by this. it’s not like AAA is a big step up.
It very much is.
Important for refining defense…throwing and hitting breaking balls. AAA to the bigs could be the biggest of all the jumps.
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well, i guess we'll just disagree.
i just don’t understand the rest of your logic, and i’m not sure why AAA is skipped so often by prospects now if it’s so important.
It's not skipped by that many prospects
most major leaguers play at AAA. And I agree, we will probably disagree :p.
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a AA pitcher?
he hasn’t pitched in springfield yet, and his numbers in palm beach weren’t that great/
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might as well just classify him as a ML pitcher then
since you’re assuming by the nature of your trade offer that he’ll eventually make it.
The point is that plenty of talented pitchers in high A never make it to the majors.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
yep. i predict that craig will be a starter for the cardinals at some point.
i don’t see berk playing after 2012, and if he does, it won’t be for us unless albert is gone. and then craig will already be starting.
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i would be very, very against this deal
maybe i’m really aggressive on Craig, but i think he could be a 5+ WAR outfielder, and i don’t see Prado is being that good. Prado is more expensive than Craig, and in a year or two, we are going to need an outfielder regardless of the Pujols status of this team. i understand the argument for Prado, as you could put him at 2B, but i just don’t think this is a good value. maybe if you could get a pitcher out of the deal too, ok, but i doubt the Braves would be willing to do that.
by tehzachatak on Nov 6, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
Craig is a really important part of the team’s future under any scenario—either immediately (if Pujols leaves) or in one year, we’ll be relying on him as one of the key bats in the lineup. To me, this would be a bigger case of trading away the future than the Rasmus trade; whereas Jay was ready to provide something approximating Rasmus-lite, I don’t see anyone down on the farm who fills an Allen Craig-sized hole in the roster.
Matt Adams is probably the only thing in the system that does at the moment
but that hamstrings you again, as he’s only going to play 1B.
No way would I want to trade Craig
for a redundant piece that has barely OPS’d .800 in two almost full seasons. We already have guys in hand that could do that.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Prado is on decline and costs too much...definately want to keep Craig
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
yep
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Prado is "on decline"? He's younger than Tyler Greene ...
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
For some reason I thought he as in his early thirties
he plays older :)
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to get rid of Craig
I like having a Cal alum on the Cards.
by KD1 on Nov 6, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't even close to fair
But I worry about Oquendo, just because I’ve seen a decades worth of Pujols jetting right on past his stop signs at 3rd. Again, not really that big of a deal but it’s also the biggest tangible thing most of us fans have seen.
And these people that are selling Oquendo as the choice based solely on Pujols assumed reaction aren’t helping the cause with their pitch either. I want a manager that will defer to the organization, not to the athletes. Haven’t had much of a chance to read thoughts here, but a lot of people I’m talking to are gung-ho about Oquendo. By itself that is fine, but their reasons are pretty awful. As a Packer fan, they are giving me flashbacks to the Brett Favre/Mike Sherman dynamic.
I have a feeling that Pujols would ignore any 3B coaches' stop sign
not just Oquendo
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by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
That’s why it isn’t fair. I just don’t like people using “Pujols would like it if we brought on Oquendo” as a reason to bring on Oquendo. That is probably all it boils down to for me. I just want whoever will let Mozeliak and company do their thing, and I’m pretty sure they’ll have that in the forefront when they make their decision. So if it ends up being Oquendo, I’ll be fine with it but I don’t like the implication that we should base this decision on whoever the players prefer.
by Merry CRasmus on Nov 6, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
OMG
I downloaded the new Conan movie. They have already done a bloody c-section with a rusty knife 3 mins into the movie.
wat?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
He's been much edgier since Andy Richter came back.
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in this one, does Conan throw a witch into the fire after getting it on?
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huh
apparently, Quad Cities manager is Rays 2B Sean Rodriguez’s father. I wouldn’t mind seeing the junior Rodriguez wearing the birds on the bat.
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Mets are making David Wright available
good news for folks who miss out on Albert and Prince
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We're really making all this waaay to difficult.
All we really need is a decent LOOGY and a RH CF and to re-sign Furc and Punto. We have pretty much everything else, even if Albert walks. given what we have on the farm, I don’t see any need in extending ourselves for pieces that we won’t need in a couple of years.
Maybe I’m just being optimistic, but why pay or trade for what we don’t need?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
...
even if Albert walks
you had me up to there. if albert signs elsewhere, we have some catching up to do.
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
love getting guys back from injury
they say it’s like trading for an ace without giving up anything
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
you know, EinFesteBusch, they really do
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
...
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
wat
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lol
i get that a lot
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
no, i've heard al use that line about injuries plenty of times
didn’t mean to come off like a douche, especially to such a venerable poster as prophetjohn. my bad.
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
PJ was playing along with you
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the next line is "you know, al, it really is"
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I fear we'll never hear that line again.
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by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
sure we will
except now al and ricky can use it on each other
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Al and Ricky are so bad.
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by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i see that now
dunno what i was thinking
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
No, I think if we keep Albert we're heavy favorites.
But we’re still competitive without him in this division. Brewers are losing Prince anyway, and the Reds aren’t all that impressive. Who’s there to lose to?
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Why stop there...
I don’t think we need a loogy, and don’t think we need a RH CF option either. Jay can hit LHP, and we didn’t have a RH CF last year and that turned out OK.
Also, we saw the absolute BEST offense possible out of Punto last year. He’s really bad offensively, actually. I would sign him as a utility guy, defensive replacement, and occasional pinch hitter, but would not want him as a starter. Greene should start at 2B assuming we sign Furcal.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't meaning to sign Punto as the main 2B.
Just that he’s a handy guy to have around. Agreed on Greene. We have descalso and MCarp for the IF or Chambers for 4 OF. we have the makings for a really good, relatively cheap team.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't agree with this
don’t think we need a RH CF option either.
We will need five out fielders. Everyone is going to get off days. You’ll want someone that can give Jay a few days rest. It’s better to give Jay rest against lefties than it is against righties.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Greene is an infielder
And shouldn’t be in the outfield. I don’t think Chambers is ready. Also, Berk or Craig may be busy at first…
Grit != flat out sucking.
Having a RH CF is a luxury, not a necessity.
Like I said, we didn’t have one last year either. I’m assuming we sign Pujols and need to conserve elsewhere. If Berkman is at 1b and Craig is starting in RF, then we’ll have money for other things. I could get behind signing Coco Crisp as the 4th OF in that circumstance.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
this
We had a pretty well rounded team young / vet mix this season and if they sign furc or another decent SS we’ll have one again
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
So what happens in the situation that Oquendo is not tapped for manager?
I guess we also have a vacancy for 3rd base coach. I certainly wouldn’t stick around if I were him.
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that's what they were interviewing Matheny for, IMO
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I actually have the feeling that Matheny might be the guy
and Super Joe would coach 3rd
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either way, i think we'll know by Wednesday
just a guess.
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
the one that comes before Thursday
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 6, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
three days from now
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
damn, you SBN
also was gonna say McEwing might move to 3B coach in the event that Oquendo goes splitsville
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McEwing is already the 3b coach for the chisox
Doubt he makes that lateral move.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
has anyone stopped to wonder WHY there are SO MANY left-handed CFs?
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Most balls are hit to left center...
so if you’re lefty you don’t have to go to the backhand.
Sign Roy O
It's an advantage to be a LH batter
So any position that you can play and also be a LHB, like CF, you should see lots of left-handers.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Why so much talk about RH backup CFs?
Jay has a very minor platoon split. It doesn’t actually matter if it’s RH or LH, just find the best value
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he may have retired
but TLR abides
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by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
If you're going to pick up a backup though
you’d want to maximize the leverage. If you get a lefty that can only hit lefties, you’re probably going to diminish Jay’s numbers as well. The ideal scenario would be a right hander — though, as you indicate, maybe it’s not an absolute requirement.
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Certainly I'd agree with that
I mean, I haven’t really followed the thread today. Of all the roster problems the Cardinals face in 2012, this seems like a relatively inconsequential one
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Hmm.
I don’t see that many problems for the 2012 roster. For me it goes something like: SS, 1B, LH Relief, CF backup, 2B. The rotation and depth looks fine to me. The corner outfield looks fine. 2B isn’t that big of a problem and there are plenty of available players to plug in. CF lacks FA depth and we don’t have internal solutions. I worry about CF if Jay gets hurt.
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He's overmatched at the plate and is not a plus defender.
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by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
He's not a plus defender?
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I think I pretty much agree with you guys
The middle infield and the possibilities regarding the rotation are way more important, I think.
because Jay does have a platoon split, like most lefties
And most righties have a platoon split. Obviously the best way to maximize value is to get guys with opposite platoon splits.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Trivia:
Alan Benes, JD Drew, Rick Ankiel, and Colby Rasmus are the only Cardinals prospects to acheive a top 5 ranking by Baseball America. Name the only other top 5 Baseball America prospects to appear in a Cardinal uniform. There is a total of 3 of them.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions
thats the only one i got
nice post ghost…not suprised to see EJ as an answer
i was curious about greg jeffries.but he was before rankings
i thought mark whiten…he was 25…pretty cool lists to look at, not sure how you came up knowing the 4 other cardinals though
by guillermozeliak on Nov 9, 2011 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
I know who the last one is but I won't ruin your punchline.
He did have quite the lengthy career, after all.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Mulder
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
jeff weaver?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's all?
Weird… I remember a ridiculous amount of hype over Young Sean Bean.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 6, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
nope...
rankings started in 1990
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
berkman?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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isrignhausen?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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please tell me it was ernie broglio
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
penny, yes...
furcal is close…he was 8
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Does Juan Gonzalez count? He did wear a Cardinal uniform.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
ryan theriot?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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heheh...never appeared in the top 100
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't think so, i just thought it would be funny.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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fernando vina?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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grudelianik?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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For those that didn't look it up...
The 4th one was Arthur Rhodes
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
aw damn
so three of the four came in one trade. that is wacky
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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wow
what a career.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Retire 53!
no seriously..#53, its time for you to retire
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just do not use towels for that
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't even know how to google search this
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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vlad guerrero...
this guy is cool
Guerrero was 17 when the Expos acquired the high school dropout off the Dominican sandlots in March 1993.
…
The Expos signed him for $2,000 after he hitched a ride to a tryout on the back of a motorcycle carrying two mismatched spikes with a sock stuffed into one that was too big. Within three years, he was in the majors.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Steroids are amazing...
oops….did I say that?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
No one thought it was odd that Jay Bell hit 38 HRs when he turned 33
I mean, 17 more than any other year.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Well,
I remember him being pretty scrawny on his rookie cards. Also, I just assume that if you were a premier player during that era, you are probably a little bit dirty. I assume that Griffey, Edmonds, Bagwell, and others who have never been publicly named probably did as well. Fair? Of course, not. Just trying not to be naive.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
griffey?!
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sure...
not sure why everyone thinks that’d be unheard of.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
...because the dude was always scrawny?
Sort of how I don’t think Frank Thomas juiced – dude was always built like Terry Crews. I’m pretty sure he was at least 130 when he came out of the womb.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 6, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
it wouldn't be unheard of
there’s just literally no circumstantial evidence beyond the years in which he played to suggest it. did he recover quickly from injuries? did he have a weirdly great career after 30? did he have a huge physique?
well, no—he was injured constantly, he was done after 30, and he got slow and fat. there are few more conventional career paths you’re going to find in the 90s. everyone is surprised when the accusation comes out because it’s the point at which someone reveals that they’ll be accusing literally every player they remember who made an All-Star Team between 1993-2004.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 6, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think Pudge Rodriguez is the most obvious steroid user
That isn’t already assumed or proven to be one (a la Bonds, Sosa, Raffy, etc.)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
His dramatic weight loss between the season prior to testing ending and the season in which testing began.
New York Times: The Tigers’ Rodriguez Is Now a Svelte Pudge
Major League Baseball’s move toward more stringent steroid-testing policies has forced Rodriguez to be defensive about his significant weight loss. (Last night, he said he weighed 187 pounds, compared with 215 last season.)
Also, the Canseco allegations.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
In the rear but maybe not in the groin area.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you're naive if you think blanket cynicism is a defense against naivete
I’m just not sure what the point is if you’re going to assume everybody juiced.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 6, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah but you had to know who you were searching for
i was trying to just find the four people without any idea who i was looking for
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
oh, gotcha. I thought you meant you wouldn't know how to search with the guy's name.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
you must think i
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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am a moron.
which i have now proven, thanks to SBN. fuck
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
surprisingly he topped out at 25
guess he had a pretty rapid ascent to the majors
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Gene Stechschulte!
OK, not really. He did have a weird claim to fame. He’s the only pitcher to hit a home run in his first AB, but did it as a pinch hitter.
#HappySeason
didn't Mark Worrell do it to?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of pitchers have homered in their first AB
including Waino, among others. Stechschulte was the only one to do it as a pinch hitter.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
wasn't there something special about Worrell's?
Extra innings, maybe? IIRC, it was a 3 run blast
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
It was a 3 run dinger.
But it came in the middle of the game, a loss against WAS.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
The game did go to the 10th, though.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a 2008 get-away day line-up for you.
Skip Schumaker CF
Aaron Miles 3B
Adam Kennedy 2B
Ryan Ludwick LF
Troy Glaus 1B
Joe Mather RF
Jason LaRue C
Mike Parisi P
Mark Worrell P
Kyle McClellan P
Ron Villone P
Brendan Ryan PH-SS
Cesar Izturis SS
Albert Pujols PH
Randy Flores P
Ryan Franklin P
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Alas, Bombs kinda, uh, bombed out this year.
83 PAs, 1 HR, .213 BA.
What might have been … but apparently won’t be.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Derosa agrees.
Albert Pujols doesn’t.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
To mere mortals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well
A broken radius isn’t “really” the wrist, Mather nuked his hamate bone which is the killer.
Not afraid to nitpick
Joey Bones
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HUGE difference.
It’s like comparing apples to firetrucks. But it’s also fun to tout Pujols’s metahuman healing powers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone know what kind of wrist injury Tommy Pham sustained?
I think it was a wrist injury.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
That was only 3 years ago....
Just imagine if you tried to trot that line-up out this season
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
didnt he blow the lead that he gave himself?
I remember watching that game, and predicting his home run, I think he also hit a long foul ball in the AB too. I’m just too lazy to look it up.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
MLBTR says the Rox may be moving Huston Street
Could be cheap, coming off a couple years of injury…
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
I really like watching him pitch, but I don't think we need him unless he's really cheap.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
i love watching Motte pitch too
but i have this irrational wariness about keeping him for the 9th all season long
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ladies love lance Lynn though.
Will be the Cards closer next year at some point.
/ calling it
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
i'd be fine with this
KMac for long relief, Salas/Motte/Rzep for the 7th and 8th…plus lynn is such a handsome devil
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Or we could just let the dead-armed McClellan walk.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously.
I cannot fathom why anyone wants KMac or skip on this team next year. Let their WS ring be their “good guy” parting gift.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
KMac should go
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Stop talking about Kyle like that. REMEMBER HAZELWOOD WEST.
by chriswallace on Nov 6, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
this means basically nothing to me....
you know…unless he wins a world series MVP
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Lafayette HS is secretly relieved
“Finally, someone who doesn’t make the final K in a playoff game!”
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah, we were the only blog
concerned about Ryan Howard’s welfare
in those first minutes
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if i was Ryan i'd tear up my new contract & demand a trade
i’d never play another game in front of fans who were booing me after i just blew up my heel
Balls
You mean give away 60 million dollars?
Probably not going to happen.
by chriswallace on Nov 6, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
contract kicking in, yes?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He would probably lose $30 million with a new contract after this achilles injury.
He’s already made $20 million on that contract plus he’d be giving back $105 million plus a $23 million club option.
The difference in total contract value would probably be $40-60mil.
by chriswallace on Nov 7, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
The contract hasn't even started yet.
I’m serious.
by Cardinals645 on Nov 7, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
it's the only way he'd be traded
i can’t believe there are players who actually like those subhuman assholes. i wouldn’t play in front of them for all the money in the world
Balls
I can stomach skip...
I’d rather try to trade KMac than non-tender him though…
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 6, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, I would to.
I’d rather someone gave me $10 for my old sofa rather than leaving it on the front curb, but if no one wants it for $10, I’m still leaving it out on the front curb.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
i've been pushing for k-mac to be non-tendered,
but he might have a nominal amount of trade value
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
With his dead arm, I doubt he could fetch us much.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think there are any injury concerns.
Just a convenient excuse to keep him off the playoff rosters.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
haha...
Blake Hawksworth had less value than K-Mac and he fetched us a “starting shortstop”
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be great if K-Mac could net us a bench platoon bat,
which is what the Dodgers rightly valued Theriot as.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I heard this guy Alex Castellanos could be a pretty good RH OF bench bat.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Or that Andrew Brown fella...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
The more i think about it,
i’m thinking he gets traded before a non-tender decision is made.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
if he does get traded
i don’t think it will be for a major leaguer. maybe for a minor league catcher or MIFer, but i doubt he’ll net someone already on a 40-man roster
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
i think they'd be lucky to pull
a future bench bat or future lefty reliever out of the deal. But you still don’t let an asset walk if you can get something that may have use later.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
also...K-Mac would hold more value to lower level teams
that could use him as a starter. He just doesn’t have any business starting on a contending team.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think Sanchez
still has the best closer stuff of anyone in the pen. That is assuming he is healthy of course.
I like riefer for future closer
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i'm not even a blogger
i’m just some dude who reads blogs
but i was the absolute first person to be a fan of eduardo sanchez
Why?
Everyone already knows he’s a 1.5 pitch pitcher anyway. If you’re having success with that, it’s less likely that you get “figured out”. 97 with life isn’t gonna get easier to hit.
Not afraid to nitpick
that's the thing about irrational fears
they’re usually irrational. honestly, he should be fine going forward in whatever role the new Tony wants him for, but I think there was a reason TLR was hesitant to name him the closer. I don’t know what that might be, but on some level, they’ve sold me.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
He said new Tony, and what is imput? Ha
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
no way
makes way too much and is unnecessary
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
TLR Career Achievement T-Shirt
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I admire the career that TLR had,
but I don’t want his face on a t-shirt.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
It could be worse.
Just think if Don Mossi had gone into managing.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
CarEAR achievements?
(flag)
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss?"
-The Diz
by The Classical on Nov 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How many moth's got in those?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I kind of want it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 6, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
isn't there one that goes to pet rescue?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Would be a great gift if you know someone who hates TLR
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
That seems to inlcude a lot of our VEB buddies
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone have any photos of Tyrell Jenkins?
Needing to find some pictures . . . (can’t be stolen from internet).
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
If Pujols walks....
(I know I lost half of you with the subject line)
We should sign Jose Reyes.
2012 Opening Day Lineup:
1. Jose Reyes SS
2. Jon Jay CF
3. Matt Holiday LF
4. Lance Berkman 1B
5. Allen Craig RF
6. David Freese 3B
7. Yadier Molina C
8. Daniel Descalso 2B
2013 Opening Day Lineup
1. Jose Reyes SS
2. Kolten Wong 2B
3. Matt Holiday LF
4. Matt Adams 1B
5. Allen Craig RF
6. David Freese/Zach Cox 3B
7. Yadier Molina C
8. Jon Jay/Oscar Tavares CF
by rumors on Nov 6, 2011 3:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
no to Reyes.
Not sure why Freese has to platoon with Cox…
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I hope that's not in our best interest/future
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
not really a platoon.
Its just who ever is playing better.
by rumors on Nov 6, 2011 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I simply don't see Zack Cox having a long-term future here.
Not as a starter anyway. Probably makes for a hell of a trade deadline chip next season.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
that is an acceptable belief.
I just see that he needs time to adjust at every level, but once he adjusts he takes off. I think with Freese’s recent performance in the World Series, if he can get off to a hot start next year a team would probably over pay big for him, and we could be willing to sell high if we had Zach Cox ready for the MLB. I’d say long term production they are probably similar, but other teams will give us a lot more for Freese than Cox.
by rumors on Nov 6, 2011 3:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Freese could just stay healthy...
I think he’s capable of 40 doubles, 20 homers, 90+ RBI, .290+ BA, .800+ OPS. I don’t really envision that for Zack Cox.
Okay, David?! NO MORE INJURIES OR DWI’s!!!! starting……….now!
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
that would be nice
Cox is six years younger though. I don’t think he has the upside of Freese either.
Freese will be 29 next year and has a sub 800 OPS in his career.
And a history of injury. I don’t think we should give up on Zack Cox yet. I also think he has higher upside than Freese, unless Freese turns into another player after his playoff heroics.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 6, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Freese’s stock will probably never be any higher, except maybe after a fast start to next year. If he hits .300 with an OPS above 800 next April, we should definetly see what people would offer.
thats not gonna go over very well
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I am very much against this
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Freese will finish his career here
He was a huge part of the biggest series I have ever seen. He is on my hero list. Cox can play behind him if he gets hurt. If he wins the job, so be it.
by Cheeseballs on Nov 6, 2011 8:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Freese puts up those numbers over an entire season
I agree, we can erase Cox from the equation. But Cox is younger will be cheaper longer
not sure how i feel about paying a
guy big time money who gets hurt a lot. that being said, not sure what they would do.
because TLR
kind of early for
Oscar Taveras. I don’t see him starting the season in the majors until 2014 (unless he hits .380 again this year). Don’t forget Matt Carpenter at third too—he could be in the fix next year.
I realize it might be early for Taveras.
I just really wanted his name on there, but was to lazy to make a 2014 lineup
...
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
well, not that one specifically
but for the zombocalypse
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah...when new madrid breaks open, we'll all be back to the stone age.
but i hear GEICO can save you 15% or more on earthquake insurance
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Finally someone has agreed to accept the O's crappy GM job.
Worst GM job in the majors right now? Terrible owner, terrible team, killer division. When can we realistically expect the O’s to be back in the playoffs? Aren’t they gonna need like top 5 picks for the next 5 years at least. Maybe 2020?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions
There's no light at the end of the tunnel...
especially now that the Jays are on the upswing.
Angelos will likely die soon, and Selig might reshuffle the divisions. That’s pretty much all the hope they have.
Sign Roy O
fun story
the kid that came in as a pinch-runner to score the o’s tying run against the bosox on the last day of the season graduated from high school at my cross-county rival Mattoon HS. they had an american legion team that won state/regional champs that year.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
im guessing youre from charleston?
I enjoyed watching Hudson play handegg for the Illini
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
you got it.
mattoon always beat us at football and baseball, but we stomped em at basketball every year.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Are you talking about Mattoon, IL
I’m from Farina which you have probably never heard of so triangulated kind of equidistant from Vandalia, Effingham, and Salem, IL
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
South Central High
my school occasionally played them in sports and scholar bowl
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
My son competed in a scholar bowl like thing, mainly maths, so had diff name, they took 2nd in some sort of end of year math championship in 2008.
First time in a decade or so apparently, he only went to school there one year, Senior year. Mr White was his teacher and it made his career apparently.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Are you from Sandoval? Or nearby by chance?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Neoga
home of…absolutely nothing
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Cool, much larger than Farina though, we have an American Legion and are allowed to sell beer now for first time since like the 30's
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
not true!
that filling station off 57 is home of every kind of candy known to man, including that Freshen-Up gum with the juice in the middle. freaking sweet.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
You didn't fill out the application or send a resume.
C’mon now…you gotta make an effort.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Typical O's. They hired a GM who's already been fired.
by KD1 on Nov 6, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
So did the Cubs and Reds and quite a few other teams, I'm sure.
Recycling GMs and managers is pretty common.
I don’t have much hope that the Os will actually accomplish anything with Duquette, though.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
They will usually spend money on players
And Duquette did sign guys like Manny Ramirez and Pedro with the Red Sox. But will those type of players want to go to Baltimore?
by KD1 on Nov 6, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Francona anyone?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see the Orioles contend again
anyone but the Red Sox or Yankees
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
David Freese is presenting at the CMA's next week
I think i’ll wait for that vid to hit the internets…..
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 4:00 PM EST reply actions
yessssssssssssss
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
betcha things would be a lot different if he looked like aaron harang
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Is allen craig considered not good looking?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
i consider him to be not good looking.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Certainly not in Harang's class, though.
I mean, that guy’s Mossi-esque.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
well yeah. but i suspect that a big reason why freese is getting so much media coverage is because he looks the part
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
he doesn't fit the media archetype put forth by the powers that be
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
No, he's just goofy lookin'
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
was about to say
his eyes are a little close together
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
In a goofy lookin' sort of way?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
he's also even more boring
than Freese
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
good for him.
I always believe you should take full advantage of once in a lifetime opportunities.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, thats something I wont be watching live either
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
To web designers everywhere
make sure your site works with Firefox. IE is trash and finally below 50% market share. Please consider the second most popular browser when designing.
/aggravated
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i think ie9 is finally out of the "shit" realm.
the problem is that ie6 and ie7 still somehow have most of ie’s market share.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
is there still a website designed primarily for IE?
I’m still not a fan of the verge’s front-page design (the features look great), but I was excited to learn that it literally just doesn’t work with IE6.
Why must they put white print on top of light colored photos?
It hurts my eyes guys. I paid lots of money to fix these eyes. Stop making them hurt.
And I don’t want to join a crew. What is a crew anyway? Can more than one of us wear a fedora? I’m so confused.
There are so many colors. It looks like a rainbow unicorn vomited on my screen. Do you know what a rainbow unicorn’s vomit looks like? Then leave me my inane and unfalsifiable analogies.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
i can see no reason why you wouldn't be allowed to wear a fedora if you want.
Grit != flat out sucking.
TV show quote.
I’m waiting to see if anyone can pick up what I’m putting down.
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Must not be in my generation / genre type
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a good show
and I don’t even watch it anymore but the fedora line has reached cult status among people I know.
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What show was it?
Or are you still waiting for someone to get it?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Still waiting.
We’ll clock it at 700pm since I might (fingers crossed) leave the office around then.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
So are you not giving the answer to your obscure question then?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't looked further down (or up) yet
is this from How I Met Your Mother?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I know you all hate football
but the rams are playing fairly well.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
They're also playing the AZ Cardinals.
Easily the worst team they’ve faced so far. No explanation for the Saints game though.
I haven't seen a game since we acquired him
but if he is capable of catching a regulation size football as it is thrown to him at normal speed, then he is already the most talented receiver on the Rams by a mile.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
if you guys have fox soccer channel
go watch rui’s team battle for a spot in the championship! it’s more exciting than this, that’s for sure.
if you don’t have fox soccer channel: link
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Root for SKC!
but also root for Houston’s Will Bruin (from st. louis)!
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
9-6 halfway thru the 3rd
with two 1-6 teams…shocker!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good news!
a team scored and it wasnt a field goal…safety!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
whats up with the black cardinals uniforms anyway?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
handegg observation:
fantasy football has ruined going to the bar on Sunday. I’m at the bar, trying to get into the games on TV, and the two loudmouths on either side of me are going on interminably about their fantasy stats. Shut up, you pussies, and just root for a team on the TV.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Hope this does not happend to Baseball
I played Fantasy baseball for the 1st time this year and I will not go that route, Cards first, fantasy team has no place during the game
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Except for the cardinals players on my fantasy team
I’m looking at you Holliday
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
who's gonna win, bears or eagles?
probably eagles but both teams are extremely unpredictable
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2011 5:58 PM EST reply actions
i just spent several hours trying to get a postgresql database working
on a sunday, while in college
well, not trying, succeeding
but it was still a huge pain in the ass and not at all the point of what i’m doing right now
I'm filling out paperwork.
Over and over and over again.
Side note: I desperately miss writing sql queries. They were like a big joyful puzzle.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
or i should say fiddling with the database is busy work
the querying is automated
but i’m taking a database theory class next semester, so i should get my share of writing queries, then
i'm currently feeling your pain.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I feel less guilty about being logged into VEB after comments like this.
I’m still being productive though — just a lot of sitting and waiting for different internal systems to do various things.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
yeah i'm being a lot less productive. and i will probably regret it later.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
remember when we all loved each other
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i think you're misremembering
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
so there was no love
it was all a sham
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I love all veb's commenters
my long-term goal for the site involves one of those unification church mass-marriages.
just so everybody knows.
oh I bet that'll be saved to a hard drive too
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Religion! A mod broke a rule!
Self-ban!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I've always wanted to join a cult
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
i know i'd be a lot happier if i had some pie, or a girlfriend
but i’d settle for pie. pie won’t hurt me like a gf would
Balls
clearly you're not having your pie correctly
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And what happended then?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Start of VEB?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
You have a love algorithm don't you Azru?
Why can’t you just be more like Data?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
We could play poker with you and teach you non logical thinking
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
We still love you
Scotty.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 6, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
besides the professions of love during the postseason run
which i suppose could be exuberant bursts of bonhomie, but I’m not soooo sure
there were also various descriptions of bodily expulsions and other more serious symptoms
I figured that didn’t need to be brought up again
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Why don't we love each other?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
I just don't know, CG. I just don't know
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so you're saying
self-love is the problem?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
then it's really a question of moderation
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
from the moonshine
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
my butt
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
not a rams fan
but I’d say fire Devaney and give Spags one more year. Devaney’s drafts have been shit
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
That's funny
because the drafts are what he was hired for. I actually think he’s just terrible at selecting head coaches.
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scott linehan, ftw
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Did they just lose?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
On a punt return for a touchdown in overtime
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
yep
Spags coulda kicked a FG to take lead inside 2 min, but went for fourth down. Now we lose.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent!
With Miami winning today, and the Cardinals winning their second in beating the Rams, they’re only tied with the Fish for worst record, and #1 pick next year!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
If the Rams get the #1 pick
they trade down for a team looking at Andrew Luck, right?
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I would assume so.
Have to stick with Bradford a bit longer, I’m sure.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly though, no way they don't win 1 or 2 more games this year.
Colts will be in command of that #1 pick.
But luck could go either way!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
tied for second worst
Colts are still winless
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ah yes.
Not sure how I missed that.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm rooting for them to remain so, due to the Cardinals hating Colts supporting ass in my office
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
root for them to win 3-4 meaningless games, that way they suck and don't get luck
Don't say hi to me.
Not sure I follow you, I'm hoping they go 0'fers
Actually, although I’m not a hand egg fan at all, I have an admiration for Peyton Manning though, so no ill will really intended against him/them (I know he’s injured) I’m just hating the know it all Cards hater (he roots for the BoSox) in my office.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
If the Colts lose every game, they will get the #1 pick in the draft.
This will allow them to pick Andrew Luck, widely regarded as one of the best few prospects of this millennium. Doing so will either give them an excellent quarterback-of-the-future (Peyton Manning is getting old) or allow them to trade Luck to another team for a bunch of stuff, essentially guaranteeing their franchise success in the next several years.
Thus, what a true Colts-hater would root for is enough wins that they don’t get the #1 pick, but not enough that they are relevant in any way.
Don't say hi to me.
I'm in and I had no Idea "Luck" was a noun in your original post
I hope they go 3-4 and 0 for rest of month-ish, and then LOOSE horribly!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
BTW if it's not clear I'm hoping Colts remain winless not Rams
With my rooting skills this year if I root for the Colts they might win :)
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Colts are still winless
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
There is nothing like a Rams loss to brighten my day.
#stllambs
#lolrams
Can’t tweet right now. Hashtags here.
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Well
A World Series trophy works too. But we only get one of those a year. I can get anywhere from 12-14 Rams losses a year.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
heh, who is tds and beer on veb handegg league?
i won with 60 points again.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
AFC West
It is to laugh.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions
TLR was at the Cal game yesterday with Allen Craig
Craig was there because he’s an alum. TLR was there because he donated money to Cal.
am i doing it wrong?
cuz that’s a video of the OAK/DEN postgame
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 6, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
TLR is certainly getting around isnt he?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
ya so my back went out about a month ago & this week it got real bad
glad to see i haven’t missed much around here
Balls
when i get my own apartment someday
the first thing i’m going to do is to make special bacon and eggs.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
you were nowhere to be found when we needed you
very disappointing
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Aranathor did
so if that fails, i mean…..
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Didn't that give you a clue?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Just kidding mind you
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
didn't want to hurt your feelings
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sucks dude
if you were closer I’d help you out with that
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
dude it's never been this bad or been out for this long
i could barely walk tue-fri & i couldn’t stand up straight at all
Balls
Wish I could help
but most of what would benefit you is probably manual stuff. Can’t really do that over the internet
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
heh heh, you said manual. shut up Bevis!
ya i need a good adjustment & probably some traction. or some muscle relaxers. those would be great, i’m miserable.
Balls
An office building is creepy as shit when empty at night .
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by azruavatar on Nov 6, 2011 8:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Also the thudding footsteps coming from the dark stairwell.
I have no idea who in their right mind would be walking around here right now. I am armed with Office Max scissors now.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Is it Terry Tate, office linebacker?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My brain's current mental tangents:
1) Red faced demon from Insidious
2) Leprechaun and or midget attackers that I will not be able to see over the cube walls.
3) Rats. (Thanks, guayzimi)
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
wait, what do rats have to do with guayzimi. what did i miss.
also, squirrels are the rats of the forest.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Dolls that are alive
Any of your cube mates have dolls or little figurines?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
or those bugs from the matrix
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Are you sure it was the same bug?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It was a velociraptor, right?
Please tell me it was a velociraptor
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Nov 6, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ron Washington pregame speech for game 7
by Wombat x on Nov 6, 2011 8:12 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I knew he made some terrible in-game decisions
this is a mo-fuckin horrible speech.
we gon’ light Carp up, fuck the pitch count
yeah, that worked out didnt it
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Because
CDGAF
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Is this real, or more JSF bullshit?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
OK. I wonder how he sourced it.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Said Rangers clubhouse source gave it to him.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I'm less bothered by what Washington said
than I am that someone with the Cards recorded it and give it, of all people, to Sebek. That’s unfortunate.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sebek said he posted it because "others" were posting it too.
Didn’t say who the “others” were.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
The profanity and rah, rah stuff doesn't bother me
but when he starts talking about “what I told those guys in the presser” he goes off the rails. He didn’t say anything like that or we’d know about it.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
The line about throwing the ball over the plate and we'll hit the shit out of it, was reported by the media.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Fair enough. Didn't see that.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
has anyone done a transcript yet?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well I can't understand it either
otherwise I’d give it a shot
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm only about a minute and a half into this
But I actually think it’s pretty awesome. So far: game 6 was an amazing game and even though we lost, it was kind of cool to be a part of it. The other team is also a champion-caliber team and they’re really good. They’re trying to win just as much as we are. Don’t think you have to do anything differently, just go out and play like you always do, because you’re a really good team. Also, liberal usage of the word “fuck” and its derivatives.
I'm betting someone gets fired for this.
The things we will do for a laugh nowadays.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Just went thru the first weekend without live baseball action,
and it totally sucked..
I mean I was watching the LSU and Bama game on and off and it seemed so anti-climatic for some reason, couldn’t really get into it all.
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 6, 2011 8:28 PM EST reply actions
there have been live feeds of the Asian baseball action
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm watching my first NFL games today
as a rule, I dont pay attention to football until the Cardinals season is over. I love not watching football until November!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ya, i tried one, but it was to spotty on and off and some hang ups, may try again for the
Japan series, but one thing I know, Korean TV will be televising the Asian Series which starts up on 25 November, the Korean club that will be going to Taiwan is the Samsung Lions.
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 6, 2011 8:38 PM EST reply actions
Go Samsung Lions!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 6, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I didn't know the Asia Series is back. That's great.
I see that Australia is involved now too. Should be interesting.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yep a team from Perth is going to be in the Series, I'm kinda wondering why China is not sending
their top club, maybe political?
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 6, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly.
It could also be that even though China sent an All-Star team to compete against the other leagues’ winners, they were still a doormat. Australia might provide a better level of competition.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
The ABL has just started Down Under, with the Perth Heat leading the league at 3-0
with the Sydney Blue Sox 1/2 game back. Need to figure out to be able to see some of the games.
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 6, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was poking around to get a little info on them.
Pro ball down under seems like an on-again off-again kind of thing. I hope for their sake that this league sticks. Sounds like the Heat have a fair number of guys in the US minor leagues.
Also, the Claxton Shield is a pretty cool trophy.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
does pj know about clifford
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Clifford-as-baseball-mascot, cute girl
and a fucking shield as a baseball trophy. This might be one of the top 10 photos of all time.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i know i've commented it before
but a guy dressed as Clifford (in a Cards uni) apparently attended ws Game 2
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm sorry I missed that.
At several points, I gave up trying to keep up with the postseason threads.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yea it'd be nice to see it take off and that Claxton Shield is a one cool looking trophy
with a rich history sounds like.
I see the one team thats won it the most is Victoria.
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 6, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
that Top Chef thing from ... Petco Park, I think
next up
food network
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Randy Jones in the house
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the turned ankle works against him!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
waiting for Irvine to throw an elbow
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the concession people look like they don't know what hit them
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ooh they turned on the ballpark lights during the tasting
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
none of them have a peanut allergy?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Dick LeBeau looks really good for a 74 year old man
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 6, 2011 8:58 PM EST reply actions
that once upon a time show is werid
seem like it would be better off a mini series than an actual 20+ episode per year show. i find it hard to see right now how they’re going to stretch the story out & still make it watchable
Balls
how much did they rip off of Tin Man?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
none that i can tell so far. it's weird, i don't really get the point of the show yet
it’s half fairy tales half “real” life & they overlap. on the surface the story could easily be wrapped up in a few 2hr movies/episodes. i don’t really see how it can last a long time
Balls
I feel like it's going to be one of those Lost shows.
Where you are cheering for them to figure everything out but you don’t want them to because then the show is over and then it eventually gets really weird but you watch it anyway because you are addicted and you still like it anyway.
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i think viewership will plummet if it goes Lost
the biggest gripe with Lost was it jerked around the audience. people won’t take that anymore. there’s way too many other entertainment options for a network TV show to screw with the audience & still stay on the air.
Balls
I don't think that's true.
There were plenty of options with Lost too. People won’t realize what’s happening until it’s too late and they’ll already be hooked. It’s their plan.
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i don't CGirly, there were a lot of ticked off people at how Lost went&how it ended
by the time the show ended they had lost half their viewers from the first season. as someone who watches waaaayyyy to much TV & follows how things are done i don’t see a network willing to take that big of a hit in viewership again.
you really like this once upon a time right?
Balls
I really do.
I don’t know how they’re going to stretch it out either. I don’t really think it will be exactly like Lost. I assume they have a plan for how to do it though.
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grimm is where its at
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
that is such a Supernatural rip off it's not even funny, but so far it's good & i can look past that
Balls
I can't.
Jensen Ackles isn’t in it.
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And also I can only handle one of those shows.
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it's not nearly as scary as SPN is, i think you can watch it
but yeah, no Jensen is a big check mark against it
Balls
The early Supernaturals weren't THAT scary either.
Now they are getting more gory and stuff. And last episode was kind of scary but I forgave it because it went back to basics and I liked it. I don’t think they mentioned a leviathan once and it was great.
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i don't know, the pilot was pretty spooky for network TV
do you really find the leviathan’s scary?
and the last episode was fantastic. it was old school SPN & i loved it. i hope there’s more of that to come.
Balls
I don't find them scary.
I just don’t like them. I miss Cas, I don’t like this storyline, and I want more episodes like Friday’s.
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Cas will be back, not sure in how but he will be back this season
the leviathan’s are this season’s “big bad” and aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. they won’t be the focus of every episode but they will be there all season long. at least they now know how to kill them
Balls
They're still not dead.
They could still piece themselves back. And I know all of that. That’s why I said I hate this storyline. And last season the “Big Bad” (whatever) was the focus of pretty much every episode and it annoyed me. They started this season that way and I was not optimistic but I am feeling much better about this season after last week. I just won’t be totally happy until Cas is back and for good would be nice.
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oh you're right, they're as dead as they can get for now
i’m afraid. Cas won’t be back for a while. they want Sam & Dean out on their own with little to no help like the early seasons. so in that aspect you should like what’s coming up because there will be more of the “monster of the week” story lines & not so much the big mythology of the series & the leviathan’s story line.
i’m not sure if Cas will ever be back for good. he’s not an angel anymore & unless God reinstates him again, i don’t know how he will be back for good
Balls
He doesn't have to be an angel to be awesome.
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If you are a hockey fan
Blues coach Davis Payne just got fired.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
If Rams coach Spagnuolo gets fired, it will be a St. Louis sports hat trick of coach/manager turnover.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Now its Spagnoulo's turn!
All new coaches in 2012! Wooooooo!
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ken Hitchcock in....
wow…sounds like shits about to get real serious in that locker room.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Did not see this coming
Been so focused on canning spags today
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Carlos Martinez
I like what I see…
- Carlos Martinez’s Pitching Mechanics
Two words: Justin Verlander.
Boog would have made that play.
by thepainguy on Nov 6, 2011 9:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I need a paper bag
or I am going to start hyperventilating. Any chance you can add Verlander’s motion to that page to better illustrate the similarities? Many thanks for your work here.
we also have towels for such instances.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This just in!
The Cardinals won the World Series, and Albert Pujols has agreed to sign a 10-year, $10,000 contract, stating, “I have enough money already.”
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Nov 6, 2011 10:22 PM EST reply actions
Pujols continued, "I mean, who knows if I'll be any good in 7 years.
I don’t want the team to have to keep paying me a ton of money if I suck."
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Nov 6, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
And Bill DeWitt has agreed to donate all of his profit this year to charity
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 6, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
after he builds ballpark village
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Nov 6, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that was actually the contract he wanted for the WS team autographed balls
and instead of years, it was balls. 10 balls,$10k.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Is it true that Albert wouldn't sign World Series team balls because his cut wasn't large enough?
by chriswallace on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
twitter said so
and twitter never lies
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
maybe his wrist just hurt........
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So conflicted
I spent 15 years living in Kirkwood but am living in Webster at the moment.
The thought of decking myself out in orange and rooting for Webster — what is their mascot, even — at the Turkey Bowl game makes me nauseous.
P.S. What’s worse, my son is currently playing for a Webster feeder soccer team, so earlier today on multiple occasions I found myself shouting, “Go Webster!”
Gross.
Boog would have made that play.
it's bizarre that an area with 2.5 million people cares so much about what high school you went to
some people won’t even talk to you if you went to the “wrong” one. i’ve never seen anything like it anywhere else.
Balls
by gdm426 on Nov 7, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I met a guy at a game in Houston from STL
I told him I moved here before high school. He asked what high school I would have gone to if I had still lived there. I chuckled inside.
Classic.
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I'll admit that when I see some kid wearing a John Burroughs or MICDS shirt, I think "damn it, I hate those guys..."
“Remember when my brother’s class kicked their ass in football? That was awesome. Of course, my senior year the team kinda sucked… whatever, don’t think about that.”
Answer to your question: The Statesmen.
On with Webster, On with Webster!
Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight!
Pass the ball on down the field and fight with all your might…
On with Webster, On with Webster!
Fight on your fame!
Fight, Webster, fight and you will win the game!
Also this is why I will never live in Kirkwood.
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i will never understand this country's fascination with handegg, and bad pro handegg at that
if you ever want to torture me tie me up & make me watch some afc east & central handegg. after 5min i’ll sing like a canary
Balls
National Football League buddy
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 7, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
I like baseball better
just to be clear
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 8, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
you know what I don't get is footykick and violence pro wrestling
or vpw (or is that mma)
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 7, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
i used to like ECW back in the early to mid 90's, but i'm right there with ya on everything else
Balls
ditto
I watched a bit of the mid 90’s stuff
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 8, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
here is the beatles on an hhgregg commercial
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 7, 2011 1:10 AM EST reply actions
ok, time for you to go to bed
and no, i won’t tuck you in.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 7, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Why is it that of all the NL blogs on SBN,
only VEB and Talking Chop require a 48-hour waiting period to join? The others are either 24 hours, or no waiting period.
Gibson for Manager!
we're the most elitist, I guess
it was like that when I took over, and I haven’t messed with it because it does an excellent job of keeping spammers and trolls out. most of the time they’ve already been IP-banned by the time they get here.
that's how long it takes azru to drive to their house and beat them up
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