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End of November, Chat

The Winter Meetings will be kicking off soon, and there should be movement a-plenty there this year. For now, though, things remain slow. It's always this way this time of year, but it feels a little different in 2011. Probably, I would imagine, simply because as Cardinal fans we haven't actually faced a momentous choice hanging in the balance like the one we currently have in a very long time. In fact, now that I think of it, I can't honestly recall the last time a major Cardinal player hit free agency during anything remotely resembling his prime productive years.

Albert is a little beyond prime, of course -- or well beyond it, if we believe what is apparently common knowledge amongst the teams of major league baseball -- but he's still the closest thing to a Cardinal star leaving in his prime I can remember. Neither of the other two legs of the MV3 left as free agents. The last big name pitcher to be on his way was Matt Morris, and he was a husk by the time he left town. I suppose Edgar Renteria would be the last major free agent to fly the coop, and while Edgar was a very nice player, he obviously didn't have quite the same juice as Albert Pujols.

The point being, not only is this an odd offseason in general, with two enormously high-powered free agents on the market, neither of which is drawing the sort of interest you would ordinarily expect, but for Cardinal fans specifically it's very unusual for us to be in a waiting situation like this. Sure, everything is lining up nicely for Albert to return to the Redbirds -- and likely for a much more reasonable deal than most of us expected, it seems -- but that is no sort of sure thing. Honestly, I'm not sure I like this version of the waiting game all that much. Following tweets by local disc jockeys I thought had retired like ten years ago because said disc jockey knows where Albert Pujols is going on vacation just isn't all that enjoyable.

Star-divide

The big news of the day is the hiring of Bobby Valentine by the Boston Red Sox. Of course, the immediate reaction from the various media types has been to line up for more of that embarrassingly eager fellatio we've talked about before. Why do I get the feeling the Red Sox could literally have gone out and hired a shift manager from the McDonald's down the street from Fenway and we would have heard the same sort of fawning? Something about his people skills and previous experience with fast food. (It's a chicken joke, people. Come on!) Whoever the Red Sox hired was, I'm sure, going to be exactly the right hire and exactly what that franchise needed. Oh, well.

From my perspective, the hiring is pure win. Not for the Red Sox, necessarily, but for the rest of use who no longer have to listen to Valentine's moronic analysis about what makes players and teams successful. (Spoiler alert: it's magic.) Less Bobby V. in the booth makes Aaron a very happy boy indeed. Now, if we could only get some foolish team out there to hire Horton and Hrabosky to fill a pitching/bullpen coach tandem I might be able to watch a baseball game with the sound on for the first time in years.

I'll be here until about one o' the clock. We'll be holding a chat until then, with me playing the role of Joe Strauss. I hear you're all jerkbags. Developing...

The Baron's Playlist for the 30th of November, 2011

"Personality Crisis" - New York Dolls

"Subway Train" - New York Dolls

"Marquee Moon" - Television

"Guiding Light" - Television

"Recharge and Revolt" - the Raveonettes

"Summer Moon" - the Raveonettes

"Cannons" - Youth Lagoon

"Montana" - Youth Lagoon

"Punk Rock Girl" - The Dead Milkmen (this one appears here, alone, as the one inclusion I absolutely regret not making to my 40 favourite songs ever list. I fell in love with this song at nine years old, hearing it on my older cooler cousin's shitty boombox while he and his friends talked about breasts and tried to figure out how to roll a joint so it would stay together, and part of me will always be nine years old and shouting out lyrics that didn't really make much sense to me at the time whenever I listen to this one.)

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Goold vaguely reporting that the Cards are vaguely thinking about Rollins.

I don’t buy it (also: please no). I do buy this:

If we had to wake up and give Tyler Greene an opportunity (at shortstop) we would be comfortable with that.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

See below.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ick.

No Rollins, please. I’d be more comfortable giving Henry Rollins a contract right now than I would Jimmy Rollins.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Not enough facial hair.

Funnier than Brian Wilson, though, and similar amount of ink.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It might not make sense from a baseball standpoint

to sign Rollins but, should the Cards lose Albert, I think there will be pressure from a public relations standpoint to do something more than announce that Berkman is our starter at 1B and Craig in RF. The area of the lineup most in need of an upgrade is middle infield so management may feel compelled to throw money that direction … even if the cost will be well above the marginal value added to the team. Rollins might get a windfall out of it. Though I’ll puke if we give Furcal a multiyear deal.

by jjray on Nov 30, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

that is exactly the kind of pressure that a good GM

will ignore, and I think Mo would do exactly that.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

I think that kind of pressure tends to be short-lived. In a similar vein, a lot was made early in 2011 about how Pujols’ lack of signing was definitely going to be a “distraction”, which negated his rationale for not negotiating during the season (i.e., in order to avoid distractions). Once the season got rolling the contract talk really fell off and the people who insisted it would be distracting were proven wrong.

If a GM makes moves to placate rabble-rousing stuff like that, it could really bite him in the ass. If he ignored it and makes sound baseball moves and the product is better because of it, that will take precedence.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Just say no to 33-year-old shortstops

that said, J-Roll’s actually been a pretty good and consistent player in recent years. I’d be happier signing him to a 3-year, $45m deal or something than giving Reyes megabucks.

But neither of those would be ideal, really.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 30, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather we just give Greene the shot he deserves.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The FA options are not very good in the middle infield.

Furcal, Rollins in greater decline that APU. Dodgers snagged Adam Kennedy already for second. I guess Miles is out there. . . .for whoever signs TLR as resident genius

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Some truth to that, but Reyes makes much more sense than Rollins in that scenario.

And I think it’d be more about simply having the extra money available than the PR.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh.

If Pujols leaves I could see the team moving on to Jose Reyes as a centerpiece sort of player to spend their windfall on, but I don’t see Rollins in that same sort of light. And, honestly, if you aren’t going big in this case I don’t think the PR hit is going to be huge, considering you’re coming off a championship.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Reyes' injuries more of less make him a dreadful candidate for meg BUX

and multiple years.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimmy Rollins makes no sense in any scenario

If we lose Pujols, then signing Jose Reyes for half the money and half the years makes a ton of sense. In fact, were it not for the franchise’s attachment to Pujols, signing Jose Reyes might make a ton more sense than signing Albert Pujols if looked at from an organizational perspective. We have a good number of players to fill the void of Pujols already on the roster (Craig, Berkman) or in the minors (Adams, Hamilton, less so) but nobody even close to what Reyes would provide us at SS.

It would also decrease the long term risk for the club, give us the lead off hitter that we haven’t had since Brock, and possibly cement our middle infield for the next half decade if Kolton Wong progresses through the system quickly.

Rollins, due to age, cost, and declining ability, does none of those things. Couple that with the fact that Philly seems to enjoy overpaying average hometown players, he would be a terrible move.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes might not still be on the market when

Pujols signs finally elsewhere. But agree I prefer Reyes over Rollins if the Cards decide to throw silly money at a middle infielder after an Albert departure.

by jjray on Nov 30, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure that Reyes represents such a good candidate for long-term contract.

How many games has he missed in recent seasons? What’s the tea-leaf forecast for Jackson?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes missed a bunch of time in '09

But he’s had almost 600 PA’s in every other season in the last 6 years.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Dec 1, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure we're quite as fickle as Philly phans. or as gullible.

fickle for values of “we throw crap at you”

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean phickle?

It just seemed like a missed opportunity to me.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't want to push it

I don’t have the hilarribleness points that you have, mr. bobo

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

probably closer to

my debt to veb

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This morning, Mike & Mike suggested that Bobby V do his first press conference with a beer and a bucket of chicken in hand...

and then they spent time discussing about how meaningful such a gesture would be. They also said

if 10 people were looking at a painting, 9 would see one thing and Bobby Valentine would see something completely different. And that would be much more interesting than what the others are seeing…

I’m guessing that means that he would see a potential disguise?

I’m so happy that the Red Sox hired him!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I was actually listening to that too.

It made me a little nauseous, to be honest. I know he’s a former colleague and all, but ugh. Is it tough to do a radio show with your mouth so full, guys?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He's big in Japan.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

in stature and by comparison

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So is natto! (rotten, slimy soy beans)

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can't find any in the market, go to Cahokia Downs and sop up some of the . .

the drippings and droppings from the stables. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not that bad.

just don’t breathe. I’ve never been fond of the fermented beans that show up in Asian cuisine.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Nov 30, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

there's a lot of yummy things

which get crossed off because of texture or smell. as an adult i’m too hungry to care.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn't call natto yummy

just … edible.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Nov 30, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

that aren't hyper processed, anyway

i won’t eat fake meat either (unless you consider surimi fake meat)

by tehzachatak on Nov 30, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

you into durian?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, actually I am. Lots of confections here with that as a base. . .

Taxis, the subway and hotel often have signs banning such, however.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Dec 1, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

have only had the pleasure once

but i’d happily do it again if the opportunity presented itself!

by tehzachatak on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

You can generally get surimi where you also get gyros, yes?

Love gyros. Love, love, love it. With tzatziki sauce, yum. And falafel balls, with tzatziki sauce. Or falafel balls in my gyros, with tzatziki sauce. I love, love, Love saying tzatziki.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 1, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

balls

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Jerusalem Cafe on the DU Campus has Falefel until 4AM

full menu actually, and really amazing Schwarma. I always pronounce that word Zaht-zeekie is that correct?

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Nattoshiba

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonna blame SBN for this...

Link

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Timmeh.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He's the Marcel Duchamp of managing.

He once went to the mound, did nothing, then told reporters after the game he had, in fact, made a pitching change, because he said it was a pitching change.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

And then Magritte called him out on his bullshit

“Ceci n’est pas une changement de pitching.”

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

What the hell does that even mean?

I think he’s a pretty good manager, but a lot of the stuff that he does (especially the way he uses his first baseman to hold runners, which is the definition of a balk, imo) really rubs me the wrong way.

I think he’ll be good in Boston as long as they’re winning. If they’re losing, especially to the Yankees, he’s going to get run out of town in a hurry, because he’s a inflammatory as Ozzie Guillen when being questioned.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He's magic!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The hiring of Valentine

Makes Boston’s new GM a puppet. Valentine’s friends with Lucchino, the team’s prez, and it was Lucchino who made this call to hire him as no young GM starting out would want to deal with a manipulative manager in addition to a manipulative front office. Valentine will be involved in personnel decisions, and he has Lucchino’s ear and this combination will pretty much bypass the GM completely. It will be sort of like the Mo/Larussa dynamic if Larussa’s twin brother was the Cards’ team president.

by olddomination on Nov 30, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I am so much for this

and he won’t be on ESPN anymore until he’s DFA’d

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

FESPN...

Some players not happy with Valentine’s hire.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Send them to Toronto for Rasmus, Miller and Tallet

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

How are the waves Big Kahuna??

Sorry, I had to.

Anyways, what are your feelings towards Furcal? Bring him back? Let him walk? Should he start vs. platoon? Will his skills (and health) begin (and continue) to erode (further)?

by avs18fan on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

wait, it's El Diablo, isn't it?

I ignore him so much, I can’t even make fun of him right.

by avs18fan on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't honestly recall. Something about tsunamis.

With Furcal, it all depends on the contract. (Kind of a crap answer, I know, but that’s the best I can do.) If he’ll come back on a one- or two- year deal — preferably a one-year with an option would be ideal — then I’m okay with that. If he’s really going to be able to get a three-year contract from some team out there then I wouldn’t match it in an attempt to keep him around. I liked watching him, but the risks make him strictly a low-cost guy for me.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Furcal is purely a question of cost imo

anything over, say, 2/12 and I think we’d have to pass. And the way the market is trending, it looks like he’ll command more than that.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That whole system just seems monstrously stupid to me.

We want extra picks for the smaller market teams, so we’re holding a lottery, but we also want to limit the amount teams are spending on the draft, because the problem with baseball isn’t middling relievers getting three year deals but the pittance (relatively speaking), teams spend on amateur talent acquisition. It’s moronic. If the small market teams weren’t so effing stupid, they would spend like crazy on the draft and ascend to glory on the absurd rate of return from the few draftees who become productive major leaguers.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the owners...

foresaw a day when the big market teams used their resources to vacuum up all available amateur talent. Draft spending clearly isn’t a problem now, but who really understands the thought-process of Uncle Bud?

All I know is that next July we might get a free pick which we can turn around and flip for Clint Barmes after TGreene proves for the fifth time that he isn’t a major league shortstop.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It's possible that's the thought process.

If so, it’s still stupid. Regardless of how much you’re willing to spend, it’s still a draft. There is still an order that has to be followed. Now, the international market I can see, but worrying about the draft somehow being taken over by the big money teams is just asinine. Limiting the amount of money teams can spend will actually have a chilling effect and hurt competitive balance more than it helps, mark my words.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Greene has 300-some big league PA, proving exactly nothing.

And he sort of murdered AAA last year (in 300 PA, but shut up). I think there’s a good chance he’d be acceptable.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not going to win this argument.

You should really just back away now.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if it's your first Tyler argument, then go ahead.

It is kind of fun at first.

Oh, to be young again…

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I forget, does he wear the high socks?

Because that would bolster my argument a LOT.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly, no.

High socks, aka the correct way to wear a baseball uniform, is unfortunately almost completely absent from the St. Louis Cardinals. It’s the only reason I can think of to bring back Octavio Dotel, in fact.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Then I yield.

I’m nothing without “HE LOOKS LIKE A BALLPLAYER!”

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

were all our rookies broken?

or did they just think the sport coats meme was cooler?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Springfield just this last season

ended their requirement socks be worn high. I liked it better that way.

I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.

by Sir Sci on Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

They could've given him all of August and September to help settle the question of whether he can do it in the majors...

instead the team was hijacked by a win-now manager with one foot out the door.

Free Tyler!

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And not only would we have had a better understanding of TG

We wouldn’t have wasted so much time watching baseball in October

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Time and money!

Damn it, Tony.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I have this strange feeling that playing Theriot over Greene did not have an effect on us winning the World Series

I don’t where that comes from, I must be going crazy!

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

In an alternate universe, MO has a goatee

and forced Tony La Russa to play Greene. We never won the World Series (the Brewers did, natch) and then China invaded. John Mozeliak betrayed America by telling them about a secret pass through the mountains.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

China's already here

it’s the Brazilians you gotta watch out for

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

With all of that plastic surgery they will soon be as good looking as us!

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Charles Dickens can dance the samba?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Um

Either “did” or “zombie Charles Dickens”.

I’m pretty sure he’s did. And he should have been offed by literary critics long ago.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 30, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the Chinese or the Brazilians?

i’m pretty sure the Brazilians are all natural…

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I have learned something, now

now to find some way to apply this knowledge.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

A grad student I worked with at Wash U who is Argentine

told me horror stories about girls getting boob jobs for their sixteenth birthday and stuff. Ew.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

read that as bobo jobs

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That's completely different

But they have those in Brazil too from what I am told.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey

You weren’t supposed to mention that secret pass

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If the small market teams weren’t so effing stupid, they would spend like crazy on the draft and ascend to glory on the absurd rate of return from the few draftees who become productive major leaguers.

Boston have pretty much done this the last two years, as if they need the help.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 30, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

worked well for Theo. . . .Exiled to Cubistic hell. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Dec 1, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, Cubistic Hell.

Georges Braque, no? Or was it perhaps Picasso?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see this system working well at all.

It might actually hurt the smaller teams as the larger markets will exploit it.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

does anyone know when the winter meetings actually start?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

i think it's this sunday.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

But it's still fall!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

sunny and almost 60 here in Boston

was mid-60s yesterday. I’m in disbelief.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand about the equinoxes and solstices

However, I always thought the seasons were all off by 3-4 weeks. As far as I’m concerned, summer starts Memorial Day weekend. Autumn commences Labor Day weekend. Winter starts right after Thanksgiving. Spring, of course, starts when pitchers and catchers report – usually around Feb 18.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, a lot of it depends on your position in the hemisphere

But I believe meteorological winter, such that it is an actual thing, is more or less agreed to start at the beginning of December. Obviously you will have to regress this to the hemispherical average…

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hey i have friends who are druish

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny...

she doesn’t look Druish!

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

gracias. can't wait.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, chatmeister, professional advice

i’ve negotiated a 36% increase in the starting pay for this spring internship and i don’t know if i should just accept it or keep pushing. granted, it’s still a bit lower than the massive corporations like intel offer, but it’s also a relatively small company, so it’s possible they’re giving me their best offer. this is definitely the company i’m going to work for this spring, though and they have intangibles, like gold gloves, that make them more appealing a destination for an internship than just money. s’why i’m trying to avoid the behemoths of the industry. what do?

~stacy in las vegas

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm.

I would take one more crack at more money, then accept regardless of the offer. If they toss you a bit more change you’re a shrew negotiator and get the job you wanted with extra cash, and if they refuse to go higher you look both shrewd and classy for playing it the way you did and then not making a fuss when negotiations hit their end.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

if you've made up your mind to work for them

36% seems like a good deal and enough to accept. Obviously, getting the most money possible has its benefits, but also some disadvantages. Namely, if you keep pushing, it could make them resent you a little bit, which could be contrary to your long-term interest in getting a permanent position there (if that’s what you want)

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by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

probably not the company i want to work for long term

but i went ahead and accepted. i didn’t actually have any leverage, in the first place, really. but the rate they’re offering is good enough as far as i’m concerned

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Accept it

assuming, of course, that you’ve actually had any blowback at all in the negotiating process. If you walked in and asked for 36% and they just gave it to you? Well, you should probably accept it now, but you probably cost yourself some money.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not sure what you mean by blowback

i didn’t even ask for a specific rate. when the offer was made, i told her that i was interviewing at other companies and she was like “oh make sure we get a chance to counter other offers!” so eventually i was just like “come on. seriously. you can do better.” in so many words. and she came back a couple days later with what i ended up accepting.

i may have been able to get another dollar or so an hour, but i decided it wasn’t the point of what i was trying to get out of the internship and not having any other offers i was as interested in seemed too risky

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

When I mean blowback,

I mean a bunch of hemming and hawing and stalling about moving the salary up 36%. If there’s been none of that, then you underpriced yourself in the first place, but that doesn’t seem like that’s what happened.

Or, they could just really want you to work at their company. That does happen occasionally, and it puts you in a really good position.

Just don’t let them lowball you on the offer for a permanent position due to them being “generous” with your internship compensation.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Dec 1, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I was really hoping this was some elaborate metaphor for the Albert Pujols situation

Even the numbers kind of work out. He used to make about 16 million a year. 36% of 16 is 5.76. Add that to his original salary and you get 21.76 million per year, for nine years that’s almost 196 million.

by mattybobo on Dec 1, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I got my 44 Musial jersey yesterday

Today I got an email saying it shipped

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 30, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

nice.

neutrino delivery™

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That happened to me as well. I still haven’t been charged yet for my purchases.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

maybe I paid for your order

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by scoot on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry scoot.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I cant imagine wearing the in yhe dead of summer

Now I have to decide if I’m going to actually wear it.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

piss off

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 30, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

also, change your avatar, Lozano

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by scoot on Nov 30, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the playlist

Nice playlist! I vaguely remember seeing the Milkmen at Miss Nights in the late 1980’s and slam-dancing to “Punk Rock Girl” with a real-live (hot) punk rock girl from Alton….then she puked on my shoes.

Good times.

Go Cards!

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by HockeyHippie on Nov 30, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Any story that ends with,

“and then she puked on my shoes,” automatically get the Baron Seal of Approval.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Punk Rock shows rule

I remember waltzing through a mosh pit with some random girl to the song Death Valley Queen at a Flogging Molly, Street Dogs, and The Briggs show in 2002. After the song was over she slapped me then kissed me pretty soundly, punk rock girls are fun.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Literally waltzing?

That’s a pretty fun image in my head.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah 1-2-3 1-2-3

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

LaRussa is sure going to regret retiring with the new CBA
Teams are going to be allowed to expand to a 26-man roster for day-night doubleheaders

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2011 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Seems kind of silly...

seven relievers and five bench guys should be plenty

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially in the AL.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess?

Teams will carry another catcher for these games. Which makes some sense I guess.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

he still would have found a way to be out of pitchers and bench bats by the bottom of the 10th

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Of the first game.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

his game 2 starter would have 4 PA by the end of game one

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This is another big tidbit from the new CBA
III-a-3. Article XX(B) free agents signing minor league contracts who are not added to the Opening Day roster or unconditionally released 5 days prior to Opening Day shall receive an additional $100,000 retention bonus and the right to opt out on June 1.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how that's a big deal.

Aren’t those just the free agents with enough service time to get out of club control? How many guys with 6+ years of MLB time actually get signed to minor-league deals every year? It seems like just a few.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

First question of course would be do you think Pujols signs with Cardinals?

If yes, does he sign before or after Christmas? I really think he’ll drag this thing out until the Cardinals bite as long as no serious other offers arrive.

(So my answer is after)

will do ANYTHING for a rec

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

fang has started tweeting again, so i no longer care when he signs

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

really? i was obviously hoping for pujols to drag this thing out until spring training

weren’t we all?

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

what?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

damnit fritz

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

oh. Nevermind my what, IHB!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate it when a good dig goes unnoticed.

le sigh

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

there, there

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

will do ANYTHING for a rec

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

cute...

and seriously, did no one notice i was silent for A WHOLE FUCKING TEN DAYS?!

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i did.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Best 10 days of my life

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I do think he ends up back here.

The market this year is just brutal. He and Fielder both may have picked the absolute worst offseason to become free agents I can ever remember.

As for how soon, I think it probably gets done (or announced), at the Winter Meetings. Maybe after, but I think Pujols has a pretty good idea of just how little interest there really is out there by now. Maybe that’s the wrong way to say it. Not a lack of interest, but a definite lack of realistic landing spots.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Off the wall

But might Pujols accept arbitration with the thought that the market might be much more vigorous a year from now ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would the market be better next year?

If anything, it might be worse for him since Fielder will likely be on a multi year deal with one of the suitors for him, and Kendry Morales might put up numbers like he did in the first half of 2010 for the Angels. I’m not sure who gets added to the mix that isn’t in it currently this season.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

For starters

Dodger ownership situation gets resolved. Rangers sour on Moreland. Mets decide to spend big. Howard’s injury is career ending (doubtful I know) . Marlins flush with revenue after first year in new stadium. Cubs improve in 2012 and decide to make a push. Pujols rebounds from down 2011. Overall economy improves.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Counter-point:
  • Rangers move Napoli to 1B.
  • Mets decide Ike Davis is a pretty fucking good player.
  • Philly can’t afford to pay Howard $25M a year to do nothing AND pay Albert Pujols.

Not only that, he’s a year older, which might shave two full years off the length of the deal that he gets. He might have a bad injury, such as his elbow blowing up, in which case he gets nothing. If you’re Albert Pujols and you can get a guaranteed deal worth $200M RIGHT NOW, you’d be foolish to risk all of that in an effort to hopefully get a similar, yet shorter, deal next year.

If you’re Prince Fielder, this might make more sense. But it makes zero sense for Albert.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

But a year ago Albert passed up a chance to get 200M guaranteed and accepted injury risk.

He might be willing to do it again. Sure the facts and circumstances are different in free agency vs a contract extension, but it was well known a year ago the market would be depressed as NYY, Red Sox and Phils would not be players for AP now.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

I thought that was stupid too.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 30, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, but last year at that time

the market looked to be better than it is right now. He also wasn’t coming off his worst season either.

I thought it was silly to turn it down then, but free agency does funny things to people. Now that he’s tested the market, he’d be REALLY STUPID to turn down a $200M deal.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

real answer

cards purported offer is ridiculous
it makes little sense to the cards, and less to others
the only comparable commitment is arod
and how is that working out?

and he was not 32 and declining year after year after year

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Nov 30, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so, no.

It isn’t as if he’s going to get nothing. He’s just not going to get the historic contract he wanted. And I’m not sure 2012 will be enough to get him that historic deal.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the risk of injury and regression prec ludes this, but if there are no better bidders or bettors . . . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if anyone ever considered sending Descalso to winter ball and teaching him to play short….he has the cannon but dont know about the range ….maybe as good a plan as Green

by way on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

Then who plays 2B?

I think Descalso is our starting 2B at the moment. Moving him to short just opens up yet another hole in the MIF.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 30, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

For me or for the rest of the world?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yes.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You know eastern europe in the mid-90s was your place to be

the average family income was around $20 a month in Ukraine and all of our best looking models and tennis players come form there, looks like you missed your window buddy.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ukraine? Ukraine is weak.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Czech Republic? Georgia? Moldova? Latvia?

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hong Kong? Singapore? Bankkok?

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Going rate in Bangkok is about $30 . . .

may go down after the floods. Fewer tourists and more hostesses out of work. Many of the bar girls hold down retail and hotel jobs that pay around $100 a month, so they moonlight in the twilight. . . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

In Soviet Russia, prostitutes pay you!

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

this has got to be one of the strangest places

i’ve seen a christmas wishlist go.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

funny this is third year in a row

I have had almost this exact same conversation.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

In my experience the peoples who live between two dominant cultures

have the highest occurence of stunning looking people.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

all the ugly ones are in a cellar somewhere, that's why.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Premise ridiculous

Who have two potato?

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

also a lot more expensive

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Also I went to a Ukrainian church for a year when I was a teenager

I have never seen so many insanely hot young women, or scary ugly old ones… and there didn’t appear to be much of a middle stage.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Odd that way, isn't it?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

....

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

UKRAINE IS NOT WEAK

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I know.

It is very, how you say, sad.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If you aren't watching the show "Gigolos" on Showtime, you really should

That goes for everyone else here too. Best unintentional comedy show on TV right now.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

but then we'd all be prostitutes

the economy might slide to a halt…….. or become the dream sex-communist society that clearly every nation-founder was actually going for.

new meaning to ‘manifesto’.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

his was a French dream, though.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Love this word. Always reminds me of this:

“Supreme executive power derives from a “mandate” from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!"
“Be quiet!”
“Oh but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!”
“Shut up!”
“Oh but if I went ‘round sayin’ I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!”
“SHUT UP! WILL YOU SHUT UP!”
“Ah! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!”
“SHUT UP!”
“Oh, come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I’m being repressed!”
“Bloody peasant!”

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

unless you're in, like, any other country in the wolrd

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

the age of 18 isn't the age of consent in a lot of states.

if i remember right, 16 is most common.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

in states, really? i thought it was a federal law, or at least a federal mandate.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

They do it with alchohol

I know that for sure. They can’t force the states to have it at 21, but they withhold highway funds or something if the state doesn’t comply.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think alcohol is state

Federal just took highway funds away from non-21 states

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what I said

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that's not constitually regulating it, but it's functionally regulating it

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

you've stumbled on one of the great legal debates in history.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but that was a very close call constitutionally.

The link between alcohol consumption and highway dollars (drunk driving) is pretty tenuous, but reasonable enough that the Court allowed it.

Not sure what the argument for age of consent would be, or what dollars it’d be linked to, etc.

Also yay, remembering con law.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

there have been no supreme court cases

over the national minimum drinking age act, unless i am completely misremembering.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait is alchohol state or federal?

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The laws directly regulating age of consumption are state.

The federal government doesn’t have power to regulate it directly. It regulates it indirectly by conditioning the grant of federal funds on states having laws it likes, which it’s allowed to do under the spending power.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

gotcha, that's what I thought

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit, this is politics

I’m stopping here, sorry everybody.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I think there should have a clause in there

“following common sense of what the original document was trying to do”

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i'mma put the brakes on

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

another epic and historical debate

vep are you trolling all the lawyers on here?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

on this one i was

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, there's no other way to do it though.

Thing is old as shit, almost impossible to update, and it doesn’t say what to do.

I think that statement’s politically agnostic enough to pass muster here, but yeah, probably a good place to leave off.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

correct. which is why when arizona finally caved from .10 BAC to .08 BAC

every road in the damn state was under construction for the next five years

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

it's up to the states,

but any state with a drinking age <21 loses a portion of its federal highway monies.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

nope.

i believe the fact that so many people think it’s 18 is due to pornography. i assume some states do, in fact, have 18 as the age of consent and in order to comply with that the companies that make pornography ask you if you are older than the lowest age that is above the age of consent in all fifty states (18).

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah.

pornography is actually really interesting from a legal perspective. most of it is made in california due to a court case decided in california protecting it as free speech.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah pornography/obscenity law is really interesting.

my Con Law professor has some great stories of supreme court justices sitting around watching “lewd” movies, trying to determine if it was “obscene”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

from which comes the awesome quote:

“i’ll know it when i see it”. not the most rigorous test ever devised.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

At least it's honest, though.

The smell test is too rarely acknowledged in jurisprudence, even though it’s used all the fucking time.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Pornography is actually really interesting from a legal perspective

by C@rdball on Dec 1, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

a lot of states have laws that 16 is consent

but there are additional laws saying that you have to be within 2-3 years of the consenting parties, as well as laws about position of trust ect.

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the position of trust.

I hate laws that limit it.

Either way, it is very complicated and you have to be very flexible.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

Liking where this conversation is going….Complicated and very flexible. Mmm-mm.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

naw

You don’t have the be flexible

Just keep it above the age of 18….

Helps stay away from the sex slave trafficing laws and crack downs going on.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Nov 30, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish Adam Wainwright a Pujolsian recovery.

I wish the Kardashians would all just go away. (I’ve never seen their show, but the mere fact it’s always there on the channel guide when I’m flipping through pisses me off to no end.)

I wish they would make more episodes of Durarara.

I wish coaches would stop raping children.

I wish Bioshock Infinite would actually turn out to be as brilliant as it looks.

I wish I didn’t have a cold.

I wish everyone had someone to share their bed with.

I wish I was a little bit taller.

I wish email didn’t exist, solely for the number of postal jobs it would create.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

without email, gdm might already be employed

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

And I’d be gdm!

Damn it, Baron!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

...
I wish email didn’t exist, solely for the number of postal jobs it would create.

I totally made this argument in one of my Writing 122 essays this year! Teacher said it was only an example. Bitch.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck that!

They’re infringing on your civil rights!

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

holy crap, 122 essays in one semester

seriously, what a bitch

by hr on Nov 30, 2011 2:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

i laughed.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but they were all 5 sentence essays

and we had to combine them all at the end of the year.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet,

how many higher paid IT jobs has email created?

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

are you fucking serious.

he is referencing a song.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

it was dead before the race even started man

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm. Durarara characters

(i won’t do the exclamation points)

M,F,K?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Most bizarre subthread ever.

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by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm...a question.

Are British actors just better than Americans or are British shows just more likely to hire less good-looking actors who are good at acting?

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

i don't understand the question

but i think the answer is that american people are generally better looking than british people

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually isn't there just a larger group of Americans from which to draw your people,

meaning you will have a larger selection of good-looking people?

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

by that logic, wouldn't america also have better actors then?

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet we are subjected to people like Whitney Cummings.

The point is that British shows are better acted, despite the difference in population.

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Who is Whitney Cummings?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The Zooey Deschanel bizarro.

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Bizarro*

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Zooey is pretty bizarro in her own right.

And as someone who really likes her as an actress (not as a singer), that’s pretty insulting.

Whitney would have been better off scrapping her show and taking the Kat Dennings role on Two Broke Girls, the other pilot she developed. I think she’s funny as a stand up, but that show is WAY to “Friends”-y to be appealing.

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by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I hate Zooey Deschanel.

“Oooh, I’m not blond, and I make stupid facial expressions, therefore I am a good actress.”

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dunno -- 500 Days of Summer was really good

And she was really good in Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

I like her — I just don’t really enjoy her quirky choices.

I also find her really hot, so I’m sure that adds some rose color to my glasses.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes Man was pretty good

If she wasn’t hot, I would find her insufferable though.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I would find her insufferable even though she's hot.

Yet, still strangely find her attractive.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

because she's hot

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally don't see why everything thinks she's so gorgeous

By Hollywood standards, she seems pretty ho-hum.

But the pale white skin, dark-hair look just isn’t my thing, so I guess that’s really the actual explanation.

by mojowo11 on Nov 30, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

o/

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

dude your arm must be getting tired

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 1, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

wait for it...

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by TBender on Dec 1, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

a... dick joke?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case, he needs to see a doctor.

It’s been more than four hours.

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by TBender on Dec 1, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

\o/

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by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

have you seen new girl though?

i don’t really care about her, but that show is really funny

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

no, it isn't

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, it is.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

IT'S NOT MY WAR!

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

it's really dumb

all of the characters are retarded. the jokes are only funny in “wow, that’s a really bad joke” kind of way.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

note, i've only watched like 4 episodes

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Often comedy is subjective but in this case you are just wrong.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't mind New Girl

but then again I’ve never laughed when watching the Big Bang Theory, so I don’t know what that says about me.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 30, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That show isn't super funny so that's okay.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I don't get it

Whenever my parents call they tell me how funny it is, so i decided to watch a bunch of episodes, and I think I chuckled once

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I could've written that same comment..

my parents love the Big Bang Theory. I just don’t get it.

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by pattimagee on Nov 30, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

But it is

What’s even more funny is that 3 of my friends have no idea that they are Sheldon.

“But we don’t argue about physics for an hour.”

“All I have to do is ask 1 question about a linux kernel and walk away…..”

by sdrone on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be funnier if you knew people like the characters I think.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

so it would be like a sitcom about VEB.

gotcha.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

i like that show. but it doesn't really make me laugh

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I enjoy it fine.

But I don’t think of it as being laugh out loud funny.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The Big Bang Theory is terrible.

I do not understand its popularity in any way.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

just to clear up any confusion

new girl and TBBT are two completely different shows

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

did you see the thanksgiving episode?

i have laughed out loud at that show more than any other this season. except maybe parks & rec

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the episode that got me...

I thought it was a lot better than Whitney, but not much… and then I laughed a good 8 times during the Thanksgiving episode, and I conceeded that I liked it.

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by pattimagee on Nov 30, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a genius show.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

New Girl

“Who’s playing?”
“The Lions.”
“Ah, yes. The mighty, mighty Lions of Des Moines who play every Thanksgiving because theirs is the fiercest of the mascots.”

Sure, I’m from Des Moines, but that’s funny.

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by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That was hilarious.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The previews for that show make it look bloody moronic.

And I literally can’t stand anything about Deschanel. That may be unfair, but on the other hand, Zooey Deschanel sucks, so unfair my balls

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this stems from the fact that

British TV is developed for more of a niche market, much like cable TV is developed in this country. So they’re more likely to let the content developers run with an idea rather then giving copious amounts of “notes” in an attempt to get the show to appeal to the mainstream.

FWIW, without Chuck Lorre, does Big Bang Theory ever get highlighted? It’s the polar opposite of any type of show any studio exec would greenlight, as the premise of “nerds acting like nerds + one hot chick” isn’t really mainstream.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

...
as the premise of "nerds acting like nerds + one hot chick" isn’t really mainstream.

No that’s pretty mainstream I think. Nerdy is cool now apparently.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Name another show remotely like that one on television.

Now look at the number of cop dramas (CSI: Everywhere, NCIS: Everywhere, Castle, etc.) and traditional sitcoms (Mike and Molly, HIMYM, etc.) that are on TV.

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by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

two guys a girl and a pizza place

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Friends

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Canceled.

But basically trying to remake Friends.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

almost every show is trying to recreate friends

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is stupid...

because Friends just re-created Cheers outside of the bar.

Why do we have to re-create shows that can’t even spin themselves off? Why can’t we just move forward with new ideas? Hell, we even rip off ideas from other places (The Office) instead of coming up with ideas that are original.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Dec 1, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

true

a great bunch of shows here started in other countries and we just adapted them to fit here.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

which just moved Taxi to a bar, which was basically

Happy Days in a cab stand

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by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Community was pretty original

But stupid American didn’t watch it

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by mysterui on Dec 1, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Are they canceling it or something?

That’s one of the few shows I actually watch, though it’s almost always on DVR with my sister since she makes sure I watch it with her now and then.

by mattybobo on Dec 1, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

It's on "hold"

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by mysterui on Dec 1, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

i thought they were just moving it to a new night?!

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Wikipedia

The series will go on an extended hiatus during NBC’s midseason schedule, but will return at an undetermined time with all remaining episodes of the season airing.5

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by mysterui on Dec 1, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Merit badge for use of post script 5

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 1, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I watch Community Rui

The setting may have been original, but the dialogue and storylines were derivative crap. Watch moar good shows.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

You say "derivative" like it's a bad thing.

The whole point of the show is just to poke fun at pop culture tropes in general. I could understand how the concept could get tiresome after a while (you have to be more and more clever to keep it from getting repetitive) but if it’s not “derivative” then the concept doesn’t work.

by mattybobo on Dec 1, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The New Girl kind of has that same "nerdy is cool" vibe

I don’t really watch TV anymore though, so I couldn’t name any others, but it seems to be a trend in this country.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you watched that show?

It’s another show trying to be a twist on Friends. Same with Happy Endings, which I think is a superior show.

I have to admit, though, I really love the sitcoms without the laugh track. Much better, and it isn’t joke a minute. Although nobody on those shows talks or has any kind of conversation like a normal person would — it’s all very demonstrably witty and contrived.

That was what made the Ricky Gervais “Office” so special — everyone acted similar to normal human beings but just SLIGHTLY exaggerated for effect.

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by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite Sitcom currently is That 70's Show

It has a laugh track. So does How I Met Your Mother, which I guess is ok.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't you call me Hitler for liking HIMYM?

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

why are you overeacting

you argumentative fuck?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh heh I miss late night VEB

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No I called you an idiot for saying HIMYM was the best, most original comedy show of all time

Or something else equally idiotic.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I've watched one episode of How I Met Your Mother,

and it had an incredibly brilliant joke in it that really should have ensured I would watch more of it. Sadly, I have not seen another episode.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

which episode and which joke?

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

It was an episode where Barney (the only character whose name I remember), had slept with — or wanted to sleep with, I don’t quite recall — the main character’s ex girlfriend. Barney is freaking out that the lead is going to find out what he did or wanted to do (I think they actually did end up in bed together the more I think about it), and so is very nervous and jumping at everything.

As for the joke: at one point in the proceedings, the lead is cleaning stuff out of his apartment or storage unit, and turns to Barney and asks, “Do you want my Xbox?”

Barney: “She has a name!”

And that’s how you fail to properly recreate a joke, ladies and gentlemen.

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by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha yeah that's a great one.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

this made me laugh.

because that scene is fantastic.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

who will end up being Ted's wife (i.e. "The Mother")

my vote is for Robin, but no one in my family agrees.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Nov 30, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Bob Saget has already said that she is not their mother.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't you talk about Bob Saget like that you heathenistic sonuvabitch

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i laughed

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

have you seen the whole series?

he calls her “aunt robin” all the time. plus, didn’t he say at some point that she ended up marrying her co-anchor who moved away?

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I know its complety illogical

and there is lots of evidence. And yet, I still think Robin will end up w/ Ted. Yep, have seen the whole series.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

but the mother is the roommate of the one girl that ted dated while he was robin's roommate!

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

SEZ YOU!

seriously though, I know your right. I try not to let little things like facts get in the way of my theories.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Nov 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah, like southside and boog. i get it.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

um.

ted says that the mother was in that class he accidentally taught that one time. and it ISN’T robin.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Therefore Ted must marry that dude's sister

OR Robin marries Barney and they are just referred to as “Uncle Barney” and “Aunt Robin” even though they aren’t technically related to Ted.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Nov 30, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm guessing its the latter

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm "aunt" ihb to a bunch of jerks i'm not related to

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah Robin is clearly going to marry Barney

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously, didn't ted tell his kids that robin marries the co-worker guy?

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't think so

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not the only one who thinks this

And I swear they said at one point that she marries Don (or whatever her ex-boyfriend, ex-coanchor’s name was)?

link

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

also

LettyGee
May 17th, 2011 2:12 PM
I think Robin isn’t the wife since in a pevious season Ted refered to Robin ex-bf and ex-coanchor as uncle Don, which seems to mean she will marry Don.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Barney just impregnate Robin?

Not that this is determinative, but that led me to believe they were getting married. So did that early-season dance episode where it flashed to a wedding.

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by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

what? i am behind an episode apparently

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I may be conflating a couple early episodes

but there’s one where Barney is choosing a tie at a wedding. There is no indication as to who is getting married. I assumed it to be Barney and Robin.

And I hope I didn’t just offer up a big spoiler for you.

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by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i saw that one.

i don’t remember robin being pregnant

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

pregnancy one was 2 weeks ago

wiki

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Nov 30, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.

I combined the early-season episode with the wedding scenes with the Robin-is-pregnant episode to conclude that Robin and Barney get married.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yep haven't seen it yet

my boyfriend probably deleted it from the dvr again

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry to spoil it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

you should totally dump him for deleting HIMYM

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He calls her Aunt Robin so that's out.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

British TV is developed for more of a niche market, much like cable TV is developed in this country. So they’re more likely to let the content developers run with an idea rather then giving copious amounts of "notes" in an attempt to get the show to appeal to the mainstream.

I think in a lot of areas it’s kinda the opposite actually. There has been a lot of stuff in the media over the last couple of years bemoaning the lack of a UK equivalent of HBO, and saying that shows like the Wire just wouldn’t get made in the UK.

Some of the lower budget stuff (especially comedy) is maybe a bit more experimental than in the US though, I guess. But, just like in the USA, 90% of British TV is populist shit. I imagine you just probably get to see more of the remaining 10%.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 30, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure "populist" is the right word for htat

I assume you mean something along the lines of “lowest common demoninator” rather than fostering adherence to a People’s political party or activist egalitarianism or something like that.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And I have a typo here also

Good to see I’m keeping my ratio up.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You asshtat.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking about all the property shows?

I do like things like grand designs, the ones where they save the old homes and estates, and of course I’m looking forward to Downton Abbey, will probably watch it this weekend …

Also, I’m missing me some Catherine Tate … anything new coming … or perhaps more Vicar of Dibley or other French and or Sanders?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

is Downton back on PBS this week?

Been waiting for season 2 all year. Well, at least since season 1 ended…

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

you can download it when over on kickass torrents

It’s already been on PBS this year but may be in different cycles in different viewing areas I believe

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking about season 1? Season 2 has aired in Britain,

but is not supposed to air here in the US until January 8 of 2012. There’s a Christmas special airing Dec. 26, but I would bet that’s only in the U.K., too. Also, I don’t believe in paying for a torrent site.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to have been mistaken

But I normally just download my British content from sites such as:

The Box
or

UKNOVA

But Downton abbey is not there so hence kickass torrents

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

British shows have an easier television development process

and are therefore easier to get made.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why they end up with The Office and Coupling

and we end up with Whitney and Two and a Half Men.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck you for stealing my Whitney reference.

Seriously. Whitney. Argh.

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't watch any British shows

But I will say that Hugh Laurie is the best TV actor I’ve ever seen.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the British are better.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Laurie or Damien Lewis.

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by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was a Spartan.

Not a warrior-hero Spartan with super-duper abs, but a traitorous well-spoken Spartan who keeps evidence of his betrayal on his person at all times.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

are you counting the teeth or not

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It's an interesting query.

I think, for some reason, there’s just less of a concern with thespian’s appearances there. It’s not that they don’t have the beauty myth — just look at their tabloids sometime — but specifically in acting the Brits don’t seem to insist their stars maintain an unrealistic standard of physical attraction.

Really, though, you’d be better off asking Monk or Aranthor. They might have a better understanding of the paradigm than I.

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by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

theory

every actor is secretly Canadian

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

this is certainly the rage in hollywood right now

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

ok new theory

every television actor is secretly Canadian
every movie actor is secretly Australian

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Does it have something to do with the BBC being a public service broadcaster,

or am I stretching it too far there?

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

I don’t know, honestly. I don’t necessarily know why that would much matter, but I might be convinced.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

In terms of quality, I believe it does.

There are far fewer commercial breaks and there is less pressure for immediate success and advertising dollars. I think this is bore out in better storytelling and shows being allowed to find an audience.

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by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

See above re: my comments on HBO

On the other side of the coin, there are a lot of folks here who decry our TV model and believe (probably correctly) that the best drama in the last 10 years has almost all come out of that US, and that something like the Wire will never be made in the UK.

That said, the BBC is very good at certain things. The original ideals of Lord Reith still persist to some extent, which means massively expensive and not necessarily “profitable” but still genuinely groundbreaking projects like some of the recent David Attenborough/BBC Natural HIstory unit programmes (Planet Earth, Frozen Planet, Blue Planet etc), which are far and away ahead of any other Natural History filmmaking the world over, get made. But we get a lot of derivative shit as well, including on the BBC.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 30, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW, I think it's largely ascertainment bias.

In the US, you are likely to only see the better British-made TV shows/films, ergo there will probably be a higher percentage of good actors in those than the average US show you see on TV. Our soaps etc. are still full of terrible actors and actresses, some of which to some extent comply with the “unrealistic standard of attractiveness” thing.

That said, I do tend to agree to an extent with this

there’s just less of a concern with thespian’s appearances there

I’d also say that a thriving and vibrant stage scene plays a big part – I get the feeling there is perhaps more “serious” drama on stage here, that it’s maybe a bigger thing (on average) than it is in the states, and that a lot of our better actors (in particular, those over a certain age – Helen Mirren, Anthony Hopkins, Ian McKellan, John Hurt, Tilda Swinton etc etc etc etc) come, if not necessarily from that background directly, from an acting profession that is heavily invested in that sort of quality and professionalism.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 30, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Also Britain seems to have a large amount of good to very good, but not necessarily great, shows where good character actors can shine

Maybe I’m just a sucker for British murder mysteries, but I would consider shows like Sherlock, Lewis, Midsomer Murders, Foyle’s War, etc. to be far, far better than nearly all equivalent US crime dramas. I suspect I like these types of shows because the longer 1.5 to 2 hour episodes allow for more character development. I suppose that most of the actors that appear in these types of shows are probably considered B-list over there, but nearly all are better actors than the people who populate the “Also starring/guest starring” lists on American shows.

by bailorg on Nov 30, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Think I probably generally agree with this.

Sherlock is excellent as well. Although I’m not sure that making Moriarty into a screaming attention-seeking queen was the best of ideas, we’ll see where they run with it.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 4, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm....I will basis my conclusion that British film/TV are better on two things

1. Fawlty Towers is fucking hilarious
2. Tom Wilkinson in Michael Clayton; Daniel Day-Lewis in Gangs of New York and There Will be Blood

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by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

sample size

We get the cream of the crop on British shows.

Also, British shows are more likely to hire less good-looking actors who are good at acting.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i blame shakespeare

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, swing music's back?

again?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it was when Mel Gibson said that in that one Simpsons episode

They re-made Mr. Smith Goes To Washington as an action movie, with a bloody climax. “All in favor… say die.”

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

oh. well unless i miss my guess, that aired in 1999.

at which point, yes, swing music was indeed back.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay so why don't we get the cream of the crop of American actors then?

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

There are plenty of great american actors

Tucci, PSHoffman, DWashington, Freeman all jump to mind

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

the point is that americans only hear and watch the good british shows

and aren’t exposed to the crap ones. and there are plenty of crap ones.

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 30, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

exactamundo

if you cherry picked american television you could have a non stop run of The Wire The Shield, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Sons of Anarchy, Community, Parks and Rec, Discovery Channel, History Channel (-ghosthunters), House, Deadwood, Flight of the Conchords and fifty more that slip my mind

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

you missed arrested development.

but discovery channel and history channel are pretty much dead to me.

history channel is mostly conspiratorial stuff now, and ever since discovery dropped wild discovery its existence has seemed a little pointless.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

My father is a huge fan of Ancient Aliens.

It’s always a little odd having dinner at the rents nowadays. He watches the Weather Channel and stuff about Atlantis and Nostradamus, pretty much nonstop.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand the Ancient Alients fandom.

Just because of this guy.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Just the link...

because the picture is pretty big.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i noticed that. probably aliens, that are ancient.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh my gosh.

That guy cracks me up every time. Because every day he leaves his house and clearly thinks, “Yeah my hair and myself are kind of awesome.”

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

His daily checklist.

Phone? check
Wallet? check
carkeys? check
books about ancient nuclear weapons? check
hair properly combed and looking professional? fucking checkmate.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually,

I believe the proper arrangement is check fucking mate.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

unless he is aussie and just missing a comma

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i think i started a thread about this ages ago.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hair properly combed so that people will take my crazy, controversial ideas seriously: Oh yeah, baby!

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i think it's purposeful.

if you look at pictures of him from early in the series he looks nowhere near so ridiculous.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's slipping slowly even further into madness.

And we are all just witnesses.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

that is usually interesting to watch

case and point Gary Busey

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He is one of the only reasons I watch that show.

Not Gary Busey, the other guy.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i tried to post a link up above that shows the progression.

Here’s another shot!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I am so right.

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St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That's hilarious

Isn’t he just doing the hair-style equivalent of trolling, then?

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Trolling,

both in the internet sense and the actual troll doll sense.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

trolling slash peacocking.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

slash getting all types of laid.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That.

Is just brilliant.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Atlantis might actually be kinda sorta real

Some researchers recently said they might have found a sunken city near Cadiz that could have been the origin of Atlantis.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I've long said driving a truck across ice is interesting. it's not history.

A pawn shop is neither history nor interesting.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

neither is catching fucking crabs

in the alaskan ocean.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish you had left the Alaskan ocean bit off your post.

Much funnier that way.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i debated it.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bering Sea, FFS

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet I could sell that Steamboat Itchy cell there!

(way to stay on the same episode!)

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually got lucky

I had no idea it was the same one.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

The hearsay and conjecture line, spoken by the immortal Phil Hartman.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I just knew it was a Lionel Hutz line

I didn’t realize it was from the Itchy and Scratchy court battle.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why it's referred to as The Nistory Channel

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 30, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Was Discovery the one that did Planet Earth?

the footage from that one alone makes that channel worth it

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

no, that was the BBC.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

and i believe it was discovery that made the decision

to replace sir attenborough’s voice with oprah winfrey’s for the narration, for which i will never forgive them.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That was Sigourney Weaver

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was Sigourney Weaver

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, fuck.

That’s pretty much sacrilege.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 30, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

this was actually done to the american version of

life but, yes, it is sacrilege.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigourney Weaver in Planet Earth wasn't terrible

But Oprah in Life was just intolerable. She narrated like she was doling out gossip on her talk show.

by bailorg on Nov 30, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

no politics!

you’re talking about the future Madam President, you know

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

heh

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we thinking of the same

Program because Sigourney Weaver narrates this one

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Same series

Different narrators

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yes. we are thinking of the same programme.

discovery still replaced the narrator. and you don’t replace attenborough.

i think life was the oprah one.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

to clarify,

yes, it was made by the BBC.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

the British seem to have a very strong attraction to ‘serious’ acting, while Americans are a bit more enamoured of Michael Bay films. So really skillful actors may get a bit more play there, it seems to me at least.

Finally, Kate Winslet alone makes your contention British actors are less attractive false. She pulls the whole country up to a tremendous degree.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Kate Winslet??

Keira Knightly is the one I would have picked.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Keira Knightley

has the most perfect facial bone structure in existence. That being said, bitch needs to fucking eat something. Like a buffalo.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Deep fried.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

word.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard she's moved in with Mike MacDougal

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And at night,

you can hear their limbs all rubbing together, like crickets or daddy longlegs mating.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

wrapped in bacon.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

....

Oh, you meant the buffalo.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

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by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

if she wraps herself in bacon, and then later eats the bacon, that is acceptable too.

frying kills a lot of things

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

She has weird teeth, too.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 1, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

kate winslet is the right answer. sorry.

ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann

by tom s. on Dec 1, 2011 2:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

A man after my own heart you are.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I used to think Michael Bay was some sort of postmodern genius.

Now I just think he’s an accidental postmodern genius who is entirely unaware of what he is doing. Also his work has become unwatchable, which is too bad because The Rock was fucking great.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's more like he was aware of what he was doing

But thought it was a little better than it actually was, and then he didn’t really have anything else to offer.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

MICHAEL BAY EXPLOSIONS!

Relevant video Slightly NSFW at the beginning (if the word penis will get you in trouble)

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

he is very aware of what he is doing.

there’s an ad out there for verizon fios that is basically bay parodying himself. i think he is a postmodern genius whose movies are pretty crap.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

it's pretty easy to be a "genius" by making stuff that's so bad it's funny

what ever happened to stuff that’s actually good?

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

there are plenty of directors that make good film.

“postmodern genius” seems to me to be a backhanded compliment.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I love The Rock so much.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Winners go home and fuck the prom queen!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Alternative retort:

Replace instances of Kate Winslet in this post with Jamie Bamber

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Kate Winslet, Keira Knightly, Sienna Miller, Emily Blunt, Gemma Arterton, Kate Beckinsale, Elizabeth Hurley, Rachel Weisz

And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Emma Watson, Billie Piper, Thandie Newton, and Catherine Zeta-Jones probably also belong on this list.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I would let Kate Beckinsale have her way with me

And it would be glorious

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

cheaters never win.

except in sports, business, politics and life in general…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I would let anyone on that list have their way with me

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It's odd,

but I don’t find Ms. Beckinsale all that attractive. From an objective standpoint I can surely see why she is attractive, but I don’t personally find her particularly appealing. I’m not sure why.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Beckinsdale on a list with Emily Blunt you pick out Beckinsdale to complain about?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but I don't know who Emily Blunt is offhand.

I’m very out of touch, sadly.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i always forget she's english.

she looks so russian.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I did not see Adjustment Bureau.

I meant to, but did not. Looking at here IMDb page, she’s also been in a bunch of stuff like Devil Wears Prada I’ve never seen. I feel bad about myself.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, I see.

It didn’t look particularly good, but I was willing to give it a chance.

When did Matt Damon stop making good movies?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

did you see The Informant!?

terrible movie, but I thought Damon did a great job in it

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

How was it a terrible movie?

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i had a hard time keeping interest in the movie

and it was filmed (and the actual story took place) 40 miles from where I grew up…maybe its just me?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

where was it filmed?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Decatur and Blue Mound

and a little bit at Lambert

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by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a big fan of his recent oeuvre

though Hereafter was decent. The one he did with Emily Blunt, The Adjustment Bureau, was a good premise, but I don’t think it delivered (but, I’m a big fan of Emily). Haven’t seen True Grit, tho I heard he was good in it.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we found the one person

who likes hereafter, you guys.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

My tastes in movies have always differed from most other people's, I've found

c’est la vie. I’m more of a rom/rom-com kind of guy, as I’ve stated in the past.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 1, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, he was good in True Grit, and the movie was good too

Hereafter though…one of the very few Eastwood productions I don’t care for

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Muppets?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I am very excited to see the new Muppet film.

I like both Jason Segel and Amy Adams, and I love love love muppets.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, you've already seen it?

Well then, I shall take your review to heart and immediately make plans to go and see muppets.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

adjustment bureau was fucking terrible.

normally i don’t get very worked up about films, but adjustment bureau was all “here is this massive plank of wood which represents a metaphor and we shall beat you over the head with this plank of wood until you’re very dizzy and want to go home and then we’ll pretend like we’re going to let you go home but then we’ll say ‘just kidding’ and beat you over the head with the metaphor some more”.

not very subtle.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

So every movie that comes out of Hollywood?

working heavy handed statements into Prince of Persia? really?

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

not every movie does this.

but not every movie assumes its audience is as obtuse as adjustment bureau did.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

adjustment bureau was so-so. great idea, not so good execution.

the devil wears prada was excellent.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

TDQP was a good movie and did exactly what it aimed to do

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

wow TDWP

stupid typing

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I wasn't responding to the list,

only to Rui’s assertion about he and Ms. Beckinsale’s prospective rendezvous.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Emily Blunt is smoking hot

What are you talking about?

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably that I rarely find cold looking women

who look like they have something bad tasting in their mouth to be attractive

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

well a lot of people do

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Really vep an "Appeal to Majority"?

A lot of people think Uma Thurman is hot, a lot of people are wrong.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

uma thurman is sexy

not hot. there’s a difference. you’re telling me you wouldn’t wanna wipe that look off of emily blunt’s face..? (i fear I’ve said too much)

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

okay guys.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Uma Thurman has manfeet and manhands.

always creeped ME out, especially since Tarantino dedicated so much camera time to them.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I am 6'2" so I really don't have that kind of resentment

built up.

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not resentment

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

how tall are you again?

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

like 5-8

but, what?? everyone is below average at something.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

how much are you getting paid again?

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

More than the average 22 year old

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah, well how good is your boat shoes and skinny tie ensamble?!

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh sir, that's well above average

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't even have a matching one! lololol

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not like two-year olds get paid anything

I don’t think considering twenty of them will make a difference

by hr on Nov 30, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

your hair is

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh we all know that's false

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

... this is still the funiest thing I have seen you write here.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

um, yeah.

whoever said british actresses weren’t as attractive is misguided.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

and Bad Teeth

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's the overall cultural attitude toward the craft of acting.

In Britain, due to its deep roots to the theatre, acting is viewed as more of a craft. I think this allows for actors to work at becoming better by putting on a play every night for months on end. It’s quite different than filming a movie or a television show.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone watch "Doc Martin"?

I like it, but sometimes I can’t figure out why. The lead is entirely unpleasant, sometimes the show is overly melodramatic, some of the episodes are unsatisfying. I guess when it works, it really works. And it’s different, which is a nice alternative to a lot of American TV.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Nov 30, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

remember when those shoes were really popular?

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

barely

I have done Google searches for Doc Martin and keep getting surprised when shoes pop up.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Nov 30, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

At some point I could no longer wear them because my feet were too wide, and breaking them in was too painful to bother. But I remember them being durable and my school had a dress code, so they were a good option that lasted a long time, since I would be wearing them at least five days a week.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Not the boots though

I never cared for them. I preferred the more low-key shoes they had.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

WERE?!?!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i still wear them.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm.
Wi-Fi Laptops Harm Sperm Motility And Increase Sperm DNA Fragmentation

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

it's from a study in argentina done by a corrupt organisation

with very little credibility in the scientific community at large.

nothing to see here.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw that, but pretty sure it's not actually Science yet.

Like, I think they just took some petri dishes of sperm and stuck them under running laptops. They didn’t actually test or study people.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

that's been going around for years

as far as i know my sperm is still strong!

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

how many kids do you have, anyway

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

ask Rui's mom

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

they're not all yours, you egotist

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Random question from a frequent lurker

Didn’t someone photoshop Mozeliak in that scarf next to the character despicable me? Anyone have that link? Nothing is showing up on site search or on google.

On the twitters

by creativereason on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

the search monkeys have been stymied many a time

I wish y’all luck finding Despicable Mo.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Needs more scarf

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent job all

merit badges for everyone

yes, even Fritz gets a merit badge

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

my cat has diabetes.

Fuck.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

oh, damn.

sorry about that. what does that mean in terms of how long she’ll live?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Honest (but probably still insensitive) question

how attached are you to this cat?

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Nov 30, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

god you are a robot.

i thought i was emotionally insensitive. you make me look like a depressed 16 year old girl.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

amen

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

rec

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a good question

I didn’t give a shit when my hampster died.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't have to give a shit about things you can't punt.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was a kid and my dog died

I knew that meant I got to get a new puppy.

But yes, I’m a little emotionally … fucked up.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Nov 30, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, it's better than the opposite.

caring really sucks sometimes.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell is wrong with you

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Azru's empathy chip only works with humans, sometimes

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i get where you're coming from.

i cried when i lost pets to the reaper, but it was a small comfort that i was able to get new pets.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

jeezus azru

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Baby, I was born this way.

/shoots self
//comes back to life

But seriously, my emotional synapses are wired differently. I’m not trying to be mean but it wasn’t clear how attached he was to the cat or if it was more like “now I have to spend all this money on a diabetic cat” kind of comment.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Nov 30, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i get what he's saying. diabetes isn't life threatening

so it could be more like a, oh great, tests and medicine and blah blah.

my concern was more about how azru felt about his own dog when it died.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't there a House episode about parents dealing with an autistic kid?

Foreman, Chase, and the girl were like “hey look how dedicated they are they must love him a lot” and House was all “this is a fucking chore for them, man”

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

so THAT'S why azru likes house so much!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Also the scene at the Chicago convention in

‘Love & Other Drugs’ where the long time husband basically says that Jake Gyllenhal should ditch Anne Hathaway because Huntington’s Chorea is a b*tch.

I hope I never, ever face a decision like that. Ever. I feel like a terrible person for not reflexively knowing how I would answer that question.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You're about one step away from being a serial killer, aren't you?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

most people here are

I think CG will surprise us. she’s my dark horse candidate — she’s more highly motivated than #lazyveb

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

there are days........

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't be distracted by the pinterest

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 1, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i mean, who would suspect her?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking I remembered you being on the spectrum.

That kind of reaction makes perfect sense to a person with Autism or Asperger’s.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, this is a House episode writ to life, but

I’d love to be able to ACTUALLY claim a mild form of asperger’s. As far as I know, however, I am simply an ass and not actually developmentally different.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 1, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I have had her for about five years and inevitably think about her getting old and dieing, and that makes me pretty sad to think about. She is one of my longest adult relationships.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Having been through a cat with epilepsy (and cancer from the drugs) and then another with old age issues

I sympathize with you.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

That was tough for you, wasn't it?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 1, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Your face was tough for me.

I don’t have a hard time sympathizing with people. I am legitimately sorry that he is sad. I’m not sure how capable I am of empathizing though. That I’ll admit is difficult for me.

Is there a way to quantify the ability to empathize?

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 1, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

yes. there are serial killer ratings. they have rubrics.

this is, of course, measuring lack of empathy, not the other way around. methinks empathy in practice is rather contextual rather than a true categorical imperative.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't find a test but this is interesting:

FBI article on serial murder’s

• Predisposition to serial killing, much like other violent offenses, is biological, social, and psychological in nature, and it is not limited to any specific characteristic or trait.

• The development of a serial killer involves a combination of these factors, which exist together in a rare confluence in certain individuals. They have the appropriate biological predisposition, molded by their psychological makeup, which is present at a critical time in their social development.

• There are no specific combinations of traits or characteristics shown to differentiate serial
killers from other violent offenders.

• There is no generic template for a serial killer.

• Serial killers are driven by their own unique motives or reasons.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I...did not need to know this.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 1, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

The more you know

/cue shooting star

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 1, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh good I never wet the bed or hurt animals

so I was starting to think these urges were wierd

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

like many things, it's a Japanese thing.

it was identified in 1908, which only makes it uncool because it was late for our Worlds Fair.

they’re only starting to market it to the foreign masses. mameshiba.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Probably.

I think it’s a real thing, but the marketing departments in Japan are chiefly responsible for it becoming a well-known phenomenon.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

It’s real. And scientifically proven.

Still doesn’t mean you should eat foods with MSG, however.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

MSG sensitivity is pretty bogus though

Jeffrey steingarten, food editor for vogue magazine wrote a great essay(which is compiled in an excelent book called The Man Who Ate Everything) called “Why doesnt everyone in China have a headache”. The essay has lots of interesting factoids, and really calls into question the idea of msg sensitivity.

I want Tung Po!

by ILoveTheSt.LouisCardinals on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Without MSG I am nothing

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

without reading the book

i would say that people in china don’t have headaches for the same reason that people in america did not used to be lactose intolerant, but a lot of people from like africa or something are. evolution, man.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that lactose intolerance has been known to exist for hundreds of years,

and has an obvious and extremely provable biological cause and effect.

People with “MSG sensitivity” have been repeatedly proven to be full of shit and there is no biological mechanism that makes MSG sensitivity plausible.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard a long thing on NPR that said it was all bogus. I believe it.

The “sulfite” problem is wine is horse-dung.

RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!

by a fink on Nov 30, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This just in!

Some chemical compound that has been eaten for millenia without causing any sort of apocalypse is totally bad for you and you should stop consuming it!

Oh wait, nevermind.

Rinse, repeat.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

don't eat the eggs.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang it

I was gonna make a Spanish omelette for dinner…

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

As the spouse of someone. . .

who gets migraines every time she eats MSG, I assure you that it is not bogus.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's a little unfair though

Migraines are kind of a special case. My sister gets migraines, and MSG is one of the things they were able to isolate that probably causes them. That means little for people who don’t get migraines, though.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Like true sulfite sensitivity, it's not that these things NEVER happen.

It’s that it’s incredibly rare. Way more rare than the masses of people who think they have problems with it.

RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!

by a fink on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, have you done tests that show the actual migraines?

And what is the correlation to “nights you ask for sex?”

by sdrone on Nov 30, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

MSG is good for you.

It makes things taste better without the addition of salt and fat, making them healthier.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh huh

By making them taste saltier and fattier. Which, by extension, makes you crave salty and fatty foods.

I really don’t care what anyone eats, honestly, I just get really tired of people stating that scientifically proven facts aren’t true.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Dec 1, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Pi is exactly 3!

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 1, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i like salt.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But we already had salty!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Good movie

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Who gets in?

2012 HOF Ballot released today

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

For those who hate clicking links:
The ballot: Jeff Bagwell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Juan Gonzalez, Brian Jordan, Barry Larkin, Javy Lopez, Edgar Martinez, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Dale Murphy, Phil Nevin, Rafael Palmeiro, Brad Radke, Tim Raines, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Larry Walker, Bernie Williams, Tony Womack, Eric Young.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

TONY WOMACK!

2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 30, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Of that list,

I’m going to say Larkin and Tim Raines get in. Long overdue for both, too. Lee Smith might have a shot, too, as it seems writers are now willing to vote for closers.

Dale Murphy is an interesting case. I can never make up my mind on him.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

not bagwell?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

I would need to look at his numbers. In my head he doesn’t feel like a Hall of Famer, but that’s based on absolutely no real analysis of his career. So he could be.

I would like to see Walker get in, but I think if he does it will be one of those long, protracted candidacies.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

83.9 career WAR.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

you are correct sir!

he only got 41% on his first ballot last year

At the time, I was shocked he didn’t get more. I think he should be in.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Nov 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

his 1994 was amazing

.368/.451/.750 39HR 15SB in 110 games 7.8 WAR from 93-99 he was a top 5 hitter in an era full of holy terrors.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No shoe-ins therre, except for Bagwell and Walker (I hope)

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There's quite a logjam...

I see six hofers with Bernie, McGriff, Mattingly, and Walker just missing.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradke!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Larkin gets in for sure.

I think Edgar might get in just because he got so many votes last year. Same with Jack Morris, he’s the next one after Blyleven, and the fact that Bert got in last year makes the Morris voters case for them.

Dark horse would be Trammell.

Should get in: Larkin, Raines, Bagwell, Trammell,

HOVG: Williams, McGriff, Murphy, Mattingly, Martinez, Smith.

Steroid fatalities: Big Mac, Palmeiro,

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If Morris gets in, I'm gonna punch Jon Heyman

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just gonna punch Jon Heyman.

Best idea I’ve heard all day.

by Pegasus on Nov 30, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nah...

Morris has plateaued too far from the finish line…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone said that about Blyleven

and then he got in last year.

I’m telling you, with the absence of any other good pitchers on that list, I bet he gets in.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Blyleven was in the low 60s in years 11 and 12...

and he made it in year 14. Morris is in the low 50s in years 11 and 12 with no momentum and sabermetric headwinds depressing new converts to his cause… He has to gain around 8% per year for the next three years – I don’t know where that new support comes from. From voters will get to vote for Schilling and Maddux if they really want a pitcher.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Some serious roids on that list. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yay, obviously

no school for a month.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Always yay.

One of the few things I can honestly say I completely enjoy in life.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I like bacon well enough.

I made some of my own two years ago and really enjoyed that. A bit time-consuming, though, for someone who just doesn’t eat a huge amount of it.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

it was a bit of a rhetorical question.

i really enjoy your writing this time of year and have for the past five years.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yay.

The Holiday season is magical.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobby Valentine!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

until you walk into a walgreens on Christmas Eve and witness a heated argument between cashier and customer that turns into culture bashing

Cashier said “Happy Hollidays”

Customer said “It’s Merry Christmas”

Cashier, instead of letting it go and realizing the old woman who was 80+ years old (and probably senile) wasn’t going to let it go said “Happy Hollidays, mam”

Customer now screaming “It’s Merry Christmas you whore, everyone around here celebrates Christmas”

Customer behind old woman says “Actually, I’m Jewish so I appreciate it that cashiers and other people wish Happy Hollidays”

Old Woman customer says (and I shit you not) “Nobody asked you how you felt, you’re Jewish, the only opinion I’d listen about from you is about money”

But yeah, outside of that, the holiday season is magical

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 30, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because some people ignore the magic doesn't mean it's not magical.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

ha, my bad

freaking Holliday, I’m always spelling holiday “holliday” because of him

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

WHile he just counts his money...the jerk!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure if actually happened

fry.jpg

or just reddit post from yesterday

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Some people are immune to the magic because they don't believe in magic.

Clearly the problem here.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, when I worked for Walgreens

people who came to the store on Christmas eve and Christmas were 99% asshole and 1% nice. I had a woman on Christmas, who told me I didn’t know how to do my job because I told her the new ad wouldn’t be here until the next day because of the Christmas Eve 48 hour special ad.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Because those are the people who don't believe in magic.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Tis the Season!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a Protestant.

we all know the real greeting is “Merry Roman Catholic Christmas.”

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy Spanish Inquisition!

See, no one expects you to say that.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm really, really disappointed

that it’s been this long and The Spanish Inquisition hasn’t shown up yet. Sigh.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

it was too obvious, he sensed the trap

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, probably right.

Or maybe the mere fact I was expecting the Spanish Inquisition ensured it wouldn’t show up.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

that is because suspected they would show up

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

or because his google alerts is broken

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Their absence is unexpected.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure it is supposed to be "Happy Hogswatch!"

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

DUH

And this after four weeks of wishing people an Auspicious Advent, or else it doesn’t even count.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

who's, damn it

My typos are going to kill Santa Claus some day.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

is this the actual meaning of Boxing Day?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

this interaction would be magical to see!

it’s a holiday miracle!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i am almost positive i have been in a walgreens on christmas eve every year for like the last 5 years

either printing pictures, getting gift cards, or buying candy. its the only place that’s open!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It's terribly convenient.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i was being an ass.

we always take the hour trip down to grandma’s for christmas and leave around 10:30 after having christmas morning. stupidly, it’s one of my favorite christmas traditions to go out around 9:30 AM after my shower to walgreen’s to get whatever we forgot to get already and then drive down the street to quiktrip to get a coffee.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

one of your favorite christmas traditions is going to walgreens?!

really? of all the traditions? that’s your choice?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

One of my favourite

holiday traditions is going driving around the city alone at around three o’ clock in the morning on Thanksgiving day.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

working.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Buying things.

Because they are the only place open. Duh.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yay. I freaking love it.

Sure, there are some obnoxious things about it, but any external reasons to celebrate are good enough for me.

RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!

by a fink on Nov 30, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll relax and have a really good one.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The magic can still find you.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

as long as I'm stuck in retail, its a nay

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Magic hater.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yay

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT ABOUT BACON??!?!?!

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

What about bacon?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

o/

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

\o

Intercepted!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Best idea I've heard all day!

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Dec 1, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

LAWL

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

this was my thought prior to September
Did we really have Albert Pujols, Lance Berkman and Matt Holliday on the same team this year? And are we really going to win 83 games?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this the real life ?

Is this just fantasy ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

open your eyes

look up to the skies and see

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Doin alright

A little jiving on a Saturday night
And come what may
Gonna dance the day away

Jenny was sweet
She always smiled for the people she meet
On trouble and strife
She had another way of looking at life

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

We're just a poor team

We need a hometown discount

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

the correct answer is

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Well, it's been fun, all,

but I’ve spent much, much more time here than I could really afford to today due to the enjoyment. Now, however, I must go. See you guys — and gals (Ted Drewes’d) — next Wednesday.

Baron out.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for reminding me that I can't go get Ted Drewes whenever I want because I don't live in St. Louis.

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 1, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone ever understand what the fuck Joe Strauss is talking about?
JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
If I had to construct a Top 5 To Be Traded List, Raz’ would be on it.

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by cardsfan59 on Nov 30, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

rasmus is going to be traded?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Im guessing

He means a list most likely to be traded. Such a tool.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Royals

are interested in Rasmus

Combine that with Rasmus not mumblings at the end of the season of Rasmus not working with his new coaches and people in Canada not happy with his work ethic. Could be possible.

At this point, if Strauss says Rasmus is out on the table to be traded you have to believe him right?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Nov 30, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

We should re-acquire him...

Martinez, Lynn, and Matt Carpenter should get it done…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

pass.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 4:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Really?

Rzep takes the place of Lynn, our supplemental takes the place of Carp, and a shiny WS trophy takes the place of Martinez. Rasmus returns to center… it’s like the trade never happened!

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

fyi

Amazon.com has the world series blu ray for pre order do $15.49

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 4:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Bought it over the weekend.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Goold addresses the Cardinals' bullpen

and it includes this:

The Cardinals remain in contact with the agent for Octavio Dotel, as discussed in this morning’s paper, and the team does intend to explore the addition of a “veteran presence” for the bullpen. That was described this week as a Russ Springer-type. The team could also explore adding a veteran with closing experience who could fill in as either the closer or setup reliever if one of the younger relievers falters. The Cardinals view McClellan, Lance Lynn, Mitchell Boggs, Fernando Salas and Marc Rzepczynski all as possible fits for the setup role ahead of Motte. Lynn, the rookie righty, was described during the postseason as perhaps a closer-type reliever. A reliever like Brad Lidge or Kerry Wood would fit that “veteran” role and bring in past closing experience, but the price tag for such an arm is expected to be beyond the Cardinals’ reach at this time.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/goold-cardinals-and-the-rising-cost-of-closers/article_ac2cb79c-1b75-11e1-84b2-0019bb30f31a.html#ixzz1fDzwTPdo

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

I WANT LYNN TO START

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What is Westbrook supposed to do?

Sit in the pen and count his money?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Lynn's allowed to, you know, not be in the MLB

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

AAA

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep him in waiting for extra innings in game 6 of the World Series.

Beyond that I see no future for him.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope they work

Something out. The guy made braun look like a fool in the nlcs, it’d be nice to have that for an entire season.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

K-Mc is a setup candidate? ...

If there has to be a vet pres then I hope it’s Rhodes coming back for cheap. We need another lefty anyway, and he was pretty dang good as recently as 2010. I wouldn’t describe myself as a believer in him rebounding, but I can’t think of a better lefty option that also solves the team’s desire for a vet.

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

does anyone have good headphone recommendations?

three hundred dollars is probably my limit on price.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

holy shit

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

it's my christmas present to myself.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

sweet, i got myself some boots!

cyber monday ftw

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

WOOOO!

which reminds me that my sisters want boots. i should look for some.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

amazon has a really great selection

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

amazon is amazing.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

bose are the best

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

remember 95% of people these days never listen on anything better

than Ipod earbuds so the jump from that to Bose is pretty big, just not as big of a jump as say to a nice set of Sennheisers

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by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I use the $2.03 premium in ear headphones on monoprice.com and they suit all my needs, so

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

you realize that there are better headphones that make music sound better and are more comfortable for your ears, right?

aren’t you the one who spends bucks on beer and boat shoes?

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

no, i have shitty earbuds

my mom got me bose a few years back for my birthday, but then my brother cut them in half because he’s dumbass. i wish i had bose.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i was making fun of you for liking bose things

but i have no real reason for doing so. in doing my research, a lot of reviewers of headphones make fun of bose. i think because they’re overpriced and dial up the bass or something?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

They're not really all that overpriced.

The one issue with Bose — and this is something only people who are reviewing headphones would care about — is that they essentially build their headphones with the same soundstage concept they use in their radios and other speaker systems. They make amazing open-air speaker systems, but seem to think just because headphones and wave radios both employ small speakers the needs and opportunities are the same in both instances. What you get is much what you say: bass is pumped way up, clarity is sacrificed, the dynamics are really just off in general.

In other words, Bose makes headphones that aren’t designed with the headphone environment properly in mind.

Like I said, it’s the sort of thing only a very specific type of person is going to honestly care about.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

bingo

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Some audiophile I used to work with

said that they don’t release specs on their products, or something like that, and that they’re the only company that does this. Because of this they are a joke among people who care about that stuff.

by jeff_abs on Nov 30, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

their speaker systems are actually really, really bad.

Mentioning Bose on any DIY audio site, or any real audiophile site, is like quoting RBI’s or pitching wins. Their best stuff is mid-entry level, at best, and they cost significantly more than what an entry level system should cost. They survive off of marketing and hand-waving, and from the assumption that almost no one will ever actually hear a system that sounds good, so people think the flat, muddy, and ill-defined bass you get from a bose cube is acceptable, or even thrilling.

I’ve never used their headphones.

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by SleepyCA on Dec 2, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

I don’t actually know anything about headphones, but the bose i had felt really soft on my ears.

I guess you’re right that bose and dre beats are too bassy. like RB says that throws off the dynamics.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't really know a whole heck of a lot.

i was just going off what other people have said.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Those Beats audio ones are terrible about that.

Everything sounds like it was mixed by Lee Perry.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The most comfortable pair of headphones I own

are actually an old pair of Philips from the early-ish 90s. I don’t recall the model number, but they’re like velvet-covered peanut butter to wear.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I've found as I've grown older, I can no longer walk around listening to music all day

I have to have “conversations” and “social interactions” and (this is me making a jerkoff motion with my hand).

Enjoy your youth, dickbag.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yesterday, I finished classes at 10 AM

So I got an omelete and then went back to my room to take a nap. Then I smoked a j and listened to all of the Soundtrack to the Film More while walking around the beautiful rain soaked campus. Then i got a sandwich and watched tv for a couple of hours. tired out by my arduous day I went to bed and got a full 10 hours of sleep.

So how are your suits and your job?

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

goddammit.

i should just go to grad school.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the work days about over

so I’ll probably go home, enjoy a vodka drink, do some reading, make dinner, watch some tv, have sex, and go to sleep.

So, not bad. My life isn’t completely ruined, yet (hooray nuva ring!).

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

just year 20. i would still take 21-28

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

oh well yeah, fuck being 20.

21 is great, however.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I would start over at 20 or 18 even in a heartbeat

Not that life is over for me at this stage yet by any means, but age 18 to present day has been great for me so far. I’ve had a great run and have loved all of it all the way. Of course there were some low times, but the good times have far outweighed the low ones.

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

There is more to life than drinking, fang

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

haha lol

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not even all about drinking.

just the freedom that i can do what i want when i want where i want.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

you already could do pretty much whatever you wanted

you just couldn’t drink in a bar. is that like a last barrier thing or something?

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

can't get into every bar.

can’t go to clubs downtown, can’t go to a casino, can’t get into everywhere on the loop, can’t go to all you can drink with my friends, etc etc etc

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

so you can't drink, is what you're saying?

ok, and gamble at a casino (although I thought that was 18), but the other ones are all pretty much redundant

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

not that I'm denigrating

getting into bars. I would spend most of my life in bars, if money was no object and liver failure didn’t exist.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Dec 1, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't imagine ever wanting to spend much time in a casino

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

or at the clubs downtown

or consuming alcohol. or really any of those things

i guess it’s nice that i can if i want to, though

by prophetjohn on Dec 1, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't drink?

That surprises me for some reason?

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't not drink as a rule

but it’s not something i do particularly often. i have beers on infrequent occasion because i like good beer. i’m not fond of being drunk, though. and i hate being hungover

by prophetjohn on Dec 1, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Drinking alone also isn't fun, unlike smoking

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree that there is nothing wrong with drinking alone

I just don’t like doing it that much. Mostly because I’ve found that it speeds up time, and makes you kind of stupid.

Smoking alone on the other hand really slows stuff down and makes you think more. Also music is much better.

Personal preferences..

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven't tried drinking alone enough to say

but that article makes me think I should fit it into my schedule one of these days.

smoking alone is great though

by David201 on Dec 1, 2011 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I liked reading that a lot though

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, definitely. I enjoyed that time, but there's no way I'd go back.

VEP’s day up there sounds incredibly boring to current me, though I would have liked it quite a lot at his age.

RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!

by a fink on Nov 30, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

it sounds incredibly boring to me as well.

but maybe i like doing nothing in a different fashion than he does. (see: not high)

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

There are other factors,

but part of the nice thing about being early 30’s instead of early 20’s is related to Fritz’s double Pujols question. At 30, there are a number of aspects of one’s life that have been built through a lot of dedication, trials, and time. These are often really good things.

RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!

by a fink on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i would definitely rather sit in my office and draft motions than sit in a tiny dorm room all day

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah. its just like fink said. college is all about dreaming what you could do one day

when you’re actually doing it, it’s pretty freaking awesome.

plus, my office is probably bigger than vep’s dorm room.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

the only thing i truly miss about college, other than my friends

is being able to eat/drink whatever i wanted without consequence

/typed whilst eating a bag of celery sticks

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that's pretty awesome

I wolf down an entire pizza and beer every weekend, and can run 5 miles the next day no sweat.

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Nov 30, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah well, i'm 35 when it comes to that.

i don’t care enough about my appearance, apparently.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think college is neccesarily about dreaming about what you might want to do someday

It’s being able to live without the pressure of having to do anything.

I’m not going to be happy when I get out of college and have to get a job.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not get a job you like doing?

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Mostly what I like doing

is playing playing guitar, listening to music, hanging out with friends or just walking around thinking. I can’t imagine anyone is going to pay me to do that.

I like going to class, and I kind of like writing essays, but only ones that allow for a certain amount of creativity.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Open up a music shop or something

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

that's kind of hard

you’d have to have some startup funds and spend a lot of effort getting the business off the ground. Besides I don’t think I’d enjoy that all too much. I don’t really care about selling records, and I’d still have to be inside all day and wake up early and stuff.

I’m hoping my band makes some money.

/not going to happen

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I can relate to VEP

I hate jobs, every job I’ve ever had (and I’ve had part-time jobs, real jobs, and everything in between). Hell, you could turn my favorite activities into a job, and as soon as it imposed obligations and responsibilities on me, I think I’d hate those activities too. It’s less that I hate jobs and more than I hate working, of any kind, regardless of the nature of the job. What I’m trying to say, is that I’m very lazy. And jobs kind of get in the way of that.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of a career

If bum is career … mind you I like’s my beer but had to get a day job to support my passion

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

i hope you feel some pressure to do SOMETHING otherwise you won’t have a job to get

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't really care about that at this point in my life

I don’t equate having a job with doing what you really wanna do in life.

I would like to make enough money to have a room and electricity, and I’ll probably room with people after college.

If I live in a cheap area, a part time job should be enough.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

lets be honest

you’re probably not having sex tonight

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If I can keep the damn dog out of our room I am!

So… I’m probably not.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I am!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe i will, too!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

o/

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

\o

i have all the power to decide….mwahahah

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

My job's pretty sweet

I sit at my desk and watch sports all day. Then I come home and walk the dog or take it to the dog park. Then I make dinner and drink a beer. Then I’ll read or play FIFA or learn Spanish before I go to bed.

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

goddamnit i have to go to class now

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

at least we have money for bose headphones

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah.

now i remember. when i was a student i was fucking poor.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

31.

Thanks to the Marines and college, I didn’t have to join the real world until I was 26, though.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Welp

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I am, and I act like it quite often.

But I can’t devote the time to myself to stay up on/listen to music the way I used to, unfortunately. I spend enough unnecessarily used energy just keeping up on baseball.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And since the announcers suck

there’s 3 hours a day, all summer long, to listen to music. That’s what I do anyway. Put on some tunes, put on the game, pour a drink.

by ckeiner on Nov 30, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I spend enough unnecessarily used energy just keeping up on baseball.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's called a hobby

wife told me I should have one :)

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

My boat shoes were $8

And I brew my own beer, so no, not really

Also, as I stated, those $2 earbuds suit my needs fine, so why spend more?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

because better earphones make music sound better

obviously you don’t need them, but they are a luxury.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i have vose head phones.

They’re nice.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

bose.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sennheisers are magnificent.

V-Moda are a much lower range price-wise, but they’re really quite good also.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

V Moda Crossfade LP

Official site though I think you can find them cheaper on Amazon. I have a pair of Gunmetal Black

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 30, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I just ordered the original Crossfades a couple days ago for like $80 on newegg.com

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

listening to music on my computer and iphone.

i know the ipod/iphone isn’t that great when it comes to audio quality, but it’s what i have so i’m going to make the best of it. i’ll be grabbing a line out dock and a portable amp as well, if i need to do so.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I've had a pair of Sennheuser

HD studio reference phones for about 10 years. They still sound fantastic. The folks saying that Bose speakers or headphones sound good haven’t heard good sound systems.

by ckeiner on Nov 30, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

bose. bose. bose.

bose. bose. bose.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

because it is overpriced. Same reason people buy $200 jeans or women buy $1000 handbags.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that I totally agree with this.

As I said above, there are certain things Bose tends to do well, which made them a name in the industry. It’s just unfortunate they don’t apply the proper mindset to all their products across the board.

Hmm. Maybe we’re sort of saying the same thing. You’re saying the premium placed on the product creates some of the desire, while I’m saying it’s largely the name recognition gained from things they actually DO do well. Perhaps this is a six of one, half a dozen of the other situations.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think its more their advertising lends them a certain cachet with the public

Spend just enough money on seemingly classy ads filled with people who appear to know what they are talking about and make distinctive products with premium products is a pretty good formula that Bose has been riding. The other thing Bose has going for it: I’d bet most members of the music listening public probably couldn’t name many other premium brands that most audiophiles actually like.

by bailorg on Dec 1, 2011 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

for ear buds Shure, Grado and Westone make an excellent product

for over the ears AKG, Grado and I really like Sennheiser

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I have also heard good things about Audio-Technica and Beyer Dynamic

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Shure's buds,

but I think he’s probably talking about full over the ear ’phones.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

you would be correct.

i find earbuds uncomfortable and i’m not dropping close to a thousand on custom in-ear monitors that are molded to my ears, so i figure for comfort’s sake i’ll go with headphones.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If SBN search wasn't borked

I could point you to the discussion where I asked this.

Anyway, I got Audio-Technica ATH-M50 and I love ’em.

#HappySeason

by The Continental on Nov 30, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd for borked

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 1, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

i have these and liked them a lot

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-A700-Audio-Technica-Headphones/dp/B000E9VKUQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322712068&sr=8-1

the plug is messed up now, though and you have to fiddle with it to get sound in both ears. they’re several years old. the sound quality is amazing, though

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

AKG K240 studio

quite a bargain at $99. I bought it around $150 in Korea. well-balanced sound with great comfortability.

Cardinals fan from Korea

by FreeRedbird on Nov 30, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

or an improved version of it

K240 MKII
highly recommend, especially given the price.

Cardinals fan from Korea

by FreeRedbird on Dec 1, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

is that the same magnifying that Lozano uses

to inspect his girls before taking them for a test drive?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Nov 30, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I think his has a zoom.

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Nov 30, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

ha

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Flim, you surpass yourself. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This ad is endorsed by:

Milton Bradley, Carlos Zambrano and a billygoat

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Taking away all emotional investment...

if Albert Pujols was a free agent from another team, would VEB as a collective be excited about giving him a, say, 8 year-$200M contract?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

No

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Not me.

RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!

by a fink on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

no. i would be arguing vehemently against signing someone to

that sort of contract.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

no

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Nov 30, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if VEB has that kind of cash...

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Nov 30, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i would not approve.

that’s funny

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 30, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

no.

and do—dammit this is going to be tough.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

It’s ALBERT FREAKING PUJOLS.

by bailorg on Nov 30, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I’m okay with it only because I think he’s an important part of the Cardinals’ long-term brand, like Musial or Gibson.

by mojowo11 on Nov 30, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering Albert Pujols is an 11 year veteran with the Cardinals, one of the greatest players in MLB (let alone franchise) history

Would VEB as a collective be excited about giving him a, say, 8 year-$200M contract?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I don't know about EXCITED

But I’m certainly okay with it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

what would it take to get you excited?

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

6 years $150?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i think patti might be asking you a dirty question

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, dirt doesn't seem all that exciting to me

I can’t imagine it being exciting for rui either

by hr on Nov 30, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i try not to assume

i mean, someone likes aaron miles

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

are you getting pedantic now

we all know it’s really loam, peat, and clay

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Where do I sign ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

that would be a good contract for us. especially the 8 years only part

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

All I want for Christmas

is for the St. Louis Cardinals to re-sign Albert Pujols

by dmiles on Nov 30, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

What if the Cardinals did that?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

see this is a good time for "wat"

rather than o_o

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No, like, what if they actually announced the signing on Christmas?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

oh. they wouldn't. pujols would not want them to.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

that AAV is high,

but i’m fine with that contract.

you’ve proved we’re irrational actors. good job.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That doesn't prove we're irrational actors at all

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That doesn't prove we're irrational actors at all

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Welp

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

argue your case.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You derive more utils from watching an 11-year veteran who your team developed and raised than you do from an equivalent stranger team

That’s not irrational, that just means that you derive utility from emotional responses.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you, an Economics teacher?

(But seriously, this is exactly the point, well said)

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct

It just proves that we value keeping Albert Pujols more than we would value getting him had we never had him. And there are logical reasons for this—it would be a good thing, the argument goes, to keep him here for community reasons, historical reasons, legacy, etc. etc. etc.

Furthermore, it seems like every reasonable person who is arguing for keeping Albert Pujols has already said this many, many times. It’s well known that we place value on keeping him a Cardinal and that changes the calculus, so to speak. So this really isn’t anything new. It’s a pretty fun way to demonstrate it, though.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Fritz: amateur sociologist

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

oh come on

there’s no such thing as a pro sociologist.

Historian burn!

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Nov 30, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd say you're about a B cup

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Also, concealer is your friend!

(Some weird guy who I suspect is actually a make up tycoon or something talked about make up a lot on Bourdain’s new show. It was really kind of strange. Not sure how make up is supposed to help me have a fun time in New York but whatever.)

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell are you talking about

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh wait misread

CARRY ON

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I felt like I had to explain why I was thinking of make up

But I really shouldn’t have, given the history of mattybobo jokes on VEB.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

VEB and relationship advice

don’t mix well.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

you never actually asked the question.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah what's the question?

(p.s. the answer is she probably doesn’t like you)

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks lindsay.

and i was mostly joking because i’m not going to publicize it.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

enigma?

middle school drama is now an enigma? oh jeez.

by hr on Nov 30, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

its a saying..enigma wrapped in a riddle

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

no one seems to be feelin' ya, IHB.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

aranathor got it

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Aranathor > VEB

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, where's gdm and Gibby45 when

IHB needs to be felt?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Quiet, you.

Don’t encourage the weirdness.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Nov 30, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

- Winston Churchill, 1939

The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.

by alberich on Nov 30, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I got it

And lol’d

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

......

…..

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think this could be Ryan Theriot with heavy eyeliner

he’s got the same douchey lip stuble and Theriot would wear that hat. make it happen VEB, photoshop Theriot into that picture

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 30, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked it better when I thought this was Scott Weiland

I had a great picture to share.

Oh hell, I will share it anyway.

I may finally have found that “Fabulous Nazi” that VEB was talking about a while ago:

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

My screen shows a broken photocon.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

I get
This webpage has a redirect loop

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What is a Velvet Revolver?

Does it put you under the ground? Is it a 60’s album with woven tufted fabric on it? Is it blue?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It sounds like all of those things plus a bunch of other cliches

But in actuality, I’m pretty sure it’s band with Weiland (the guy from Stone Temple Pilots), Slash, maybe, and some other guys.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

they're not too bad really

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i had completely forgotten about this tool

sometimes I’m glad I’m single because I’m never forced to watch ridiculous “reality” bullshit

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Want to know what worked for me in college?

I bought a Tuxedo and said I would go with anyone to a dance. I became girls backup plan since I already owned a tux. It snowballed and by end of college I went to like 25 to 30 dances.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

proper backup plans never tell.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Dec 2, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

you've said this like 8 times already on VEB

my friend has a tuxedo, hasn’t done jack shit for him yet.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Needs more advertising.

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Dec 1, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

for what it's worth, I love my grandma's christmas carols

bing crosby and the andrews sisters: all day for the next month

by DanUpBaby on Nov 30, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Mele Kalikimaka .... to you

that said, I think the Crosby and Bowie duet should be required viewing in order to preserve the 20th Century for future generations.

that and Porky Pig’s Blue Christmas. maybe some Chanukah Song to be fair.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiXjbI3kRus

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i forgot there was a Beatles meme in there, hahaha.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So, was everyone stopped from commenting for a few minutes here?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

i was

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: News Flash!

682 series today.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

What is that?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a score

that I got using a 15 lb. ball that I roll toward 10 wooden sticks, called pins. I try to knock all of them down at once. Thank GOBs that they are placed in such a way that I can, on occasion, do this. If they were lined up in a straight line, either head on or across, it would be much, much harder to get this kind of score.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought the highest possible score was 300?

is a series three games or something?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

series is 3 frames

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

No, this is wrong.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

meant games dammit

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well,

they do rhyme.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Congratulations BTW good on you!

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Keep getting close to either a 300 game or a 700 series. Have none of the former, only one of the latter in my life. Avg. is up to 195, though.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

Three games.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

VEB ... Very funny

thought OT meant overtime and you might be referring to some for of overseas based balls or something

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Can’t tell, sarcasm detector on the fritz again…

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

good job!

one time i bowled a 279. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

by tomsteele on Nov 30, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's my tops, too. Have done it twice in the last 2 years, once in the city tournament.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I got my Mitchell and Ness 44' Musial Jersey today

It’s pretty cool…thanks VEB for pointing out sale to me…don’t remember who though bu thanks

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

I think it was orginally TC or RR

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You are probably right ... Thanks TC and RR!

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

and I still haven't got mine.

damnit.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I called yesterday

They gave me priority shipping

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

SONOFA

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 30, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a nice phone voice

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe AI will contact them tomorrow.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Then thanks again to RR then

BTW you have several M&N jersey’s right? I didn’t see a what they are constructed of tag in mine, are they wool or heavy cotton and what are your suggestions on cleaning? Dry cleaning and if you wash them what’s shrinkage factor like?

Also, it has a yellowish tint. Is that to replicate what they would look like 67 years on?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

nah someone else posted it before me.

I just harped on it a lot.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 1, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

M&N facebook post has a lot of unhappy customers on it

myself included

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 1, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

everyone look out....

scoot took his fight to the book of faces.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 1, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

and twitter

and soon to be over the phone. If that doesn’t satisfy me, I may just drive to Philadelphia.

facebook link, for your entertainment.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 1, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It was

TBender.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

YOU CANNOT PROVE...

Oh, that.

Yeah, that was me.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 1, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

no, no, no

you tell us you taught your dog to type, and blame the dog.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you can explain, then,

why my commenting ability was turned off for a few minutes?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

We had a system hiccup a few moments ago

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you fix yesterday's thread then?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What's wrong with it?

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Nov 30, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad I could help

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Go kick some one in the knee and tell them to fix search.

Please.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

how many people work at the SBN offices?

2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 30, 2011 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

20+

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Dec 1, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Dodgers collect more scrubs....

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/dodgers-reach-agreement-with-adam-kennedy.html

As MLBTR’s free agent tracker shows, Dodgers GM Ned Colletti has committed about $15MM so far this offseason to free agents Mark Ellis, Juan Rivera, Matt Treanor, and Kennedy.

I’d much rather spend $14MM on a really good player and fill in with others. This squad has no upside….and it’s not like Kershaw and Kemp are going to have better years next year.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

Can you tell that Colletti used to work under Sabean?

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Dec 1, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

what's older?

dodger, turner, wrigley

and we won the world series.

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 30, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

dodger and wrigley

turner is not.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrigley by far the oldest

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

But which stadium has most recently hosted the greatest WS game of all-time as well as a home team Game 7 win as well as a post-parade party ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Give me a minute ……………………….

Cardinals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

busch III has been open for 5 seasons.

and already has seen two world series championships.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, seriously.

First time since the 20’s-30’s-40’s that the Cards have won a WS in consecutive decades. Guess I’ll join in, since I’ve never done this, and since I idiotically called for a ban on this meme….
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO000000000000000000000OOOOOOOOOO

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad to have you in the fold!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Also clinched.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, when I think of clenching

something else comes to mind. But, it is apparently a synonym for clinch.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Things were clenched during the clinching.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a meme, people.

just don’t post the pictures which came with the meme. and it did eventually lead to avocado.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

2006 2007 2008 2009 20010 2011

ugh. i always make that mistake. 6+5=11. stupid math.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

were you told there would be no math?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

...

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

...

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

...

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I don't know why, I love these

of course, I am a failed math major.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only guy who likes pee troughs?

Seems like the whole country has gone prissy.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know about "like" but I don't mind them

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

real men pee all over themselves.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not my thing

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

probably not...

but Real Men of Genius have no problem with peeing in the sink, in a pinch.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Dec 2, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

They have those at Wrigley

YOU MUST BE A SECRET CUBS FAN! GET HIM!

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A SPY!

AHHHHHH!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

we used to have those in grade school

I’ve seen a few in dive bars over the years. It’s always amusing to walk in a see one.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I need to clarify that the ones in the bars

were actually 12 inch PVC cut in half with aluminum flashing as a splatter guard and everything was sealed with Liquid Nailz. These were not high class joints I was frequenting at the time.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't exactly bottom of the gutter

but they sure wouldn’t be confused with the lounge at the Ritz.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I was being harsh with the descriptors I guess

What a lot of people call bottom of gutter I feel pretty comfortable with … I’m kind of old timey myself. Also, people are usually real and pretty welcoming in places I’ve frequented with trough urinals

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been in bars where you felt safer taking a piss outside.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh crap!

I forgot to message you about the cards, didn’t I? I got it fixed on Monday, there was something wrong with one of the connections outside.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been in bards where I felt safer not taking a piss

Is this oneupsmanship going on here?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 1, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

theres one in a dive bar in effingham i go to occasionally

and it always smells worse than a regular bathroom

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What, did they run out of the effing turkey for Thanksgiving?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

quick but weak

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ichabods?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

nope not Ichabods, never had a good time there

its that dive across the street from Martin’s, I forget the name

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

heh.

There was also an Ichabod’s in Flora. That was always an interesting time.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never been to the one in Eff.

I always figured it was just like the one in Flora. A friend of mine used to manage it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Just a tavern really

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 1, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

fenway?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fenway

is the home of the Boston Red Sox. Bahston is in the junior circuit – American League. You may recall we were scheduled to play them in the 2004 World Series. Too bad that one got canceled.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's not important right now

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't see the nl designation.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Goddammit, Marlins

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

What?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

was

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ice Ice Billy.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Mind blowing factoid of the day:

Clint Barmes’ $10.5 million contract is the first eight figure deal handed out by the Pittsburgh Pirates since they signed Steve Beuchele in 1991.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

little known fact:

this was also yesterday’s mind blowing fact.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 30, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Mind is

double blown

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

M2B

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Should bring them the same return for their investment

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 30, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

reply fail

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

x2

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

What about bacon?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I was answering Tuning in from Korea ya know

Anyone know what a 503 error is. took like forever to get on this this morning..
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 30, 2011 7:22 PM CST reply actions

also, dan should make us bacon

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

BACON

THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fanclub
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!

by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

And won't give us collapsible threads.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Or an edit button!

Just kidding, dan!

Well, mostly kidding…

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, trust me

The Preview button has reduced the amount of embarrassing errors I would normally be making. But it’s not the same.

by mattybobo on Nov 30, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Just Say No EDIT Button.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

if it had the "edited" autocomment

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Still no.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

thread collapse it is!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm for this this

And even though I FU quite often by not properly utilizing the preview button myself, I think we leave the threads raw … it’s just good fun

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i had a dream that veb got collapsible threads

even my dreams are lame

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of bizarre subthreads today.

Tread carefully.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

or someone could give an entirely fake summary

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Rollins
Valentine
Winter Meetings
Hot English acting chicks
And some other stuff.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Twitter has informed me of BaseballWives

I am not sure if this is a good thing.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

tell me more about this BasedballWives you speak of

teh he

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonna let Keith Law speak about it...
@keithlaw
keithlaw
I think it’s cute that some of you thought you needed to watch “Baseball Wives” to determine that it was awful

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 30, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant "BaseballedWives"

Different show perhaps

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

My mother told me it was awful.

Then she told me I did not want to marry David Freese because I didn’t want to end up like them. The she told me Nyjer’s ex girlfriend is on there and then I said and my point that I will not end up like them is made.

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 2, 2011 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

OT: I don't know if anyone watches Castle

but the sniper episode is about as stupid as it gets. No spoilers though I’m not done yet.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 9:55 PM EST reply actions  

Hey everyone

Watch this

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 10:16 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I think the cards owe some teams some fruit baskets

the marlins, braves, and phillies all come to mind.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

#thetradeworked

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That ... was ... AWESOME!

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

LoMoGoHoRo

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

that was a ridiculous day of baseball.

does it get any better than that?

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Game 6 of the World Series :)

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

truf

can you imagine being on the otherside of that game? I’m pretty sure I might have quit baseball after that.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 30, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially having just lost the World Series the year before

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

done seen it, brih

watched it again. wasn’t disappoint. missin’ based balls

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats on the job btw

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks, i'm excited

it’s gonna be a busy spring semester, but having this job is going to greatly increase my chances of being able to study in barcelona next summer, which is awesome

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

wow...

the Red Sox meltdown seems even more amazing. 2 out none on with Papelbon pitching and first and third none out for the Yankees. Orioles score, Yankees don’t.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That's 12 minutes of my life I won't get back

Which is ok by me. Thanks Mister Rui

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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Rui will appreciate this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckbdLVX736U

I love the strings.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Roughly 1000 of those views are mine

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

at 3 minutes in he does a little lou reed impression

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

First stanza has always been my favorite

The fourth the fifth, the minor fall, the major lift

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by Notorious PSC on Nov 30, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hallelujah is a weird song.

It’s the only song I can think of that could have a really legitimate debate about which of two great renditions of it is the best version, and neither of the two candidates are the original.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey Joe

Jimi and Nick Cave. Although that was a public domain song I think, so maybe it’s not a good comparison.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

That’s a decent example. Personally, as much as I adore Nick Cave, I don’t feel his version of Hey Joe holds a candle to Jimi Hendrix’s, but that’s really beside the point. The fact someone is making the argument and it isn’t totally ridiculous means the example is at least somewhat instructive.

There are probably a fair number of songs like that if you go back far enough (St. James Infirmary comes to mind), but so many are public domain offerings like you said. I specifically mean songs where the original was at least somewhat contemporary, as in we know who did the original because it’s on a record.

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by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Have you heard this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmuGAP8iCuM
With Charlie Haden and Toots Thielemans (??).

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I had not before.

That is rather awesome, though.

I’ll still take Hendrix’s version, I think, if only because there are times in that performance when I want Cave to emphasize the melody a bit more, and not be quite as impressionistic in his interpretation. It’s both one of his greatest strengths and failings, really, and in roughly equal measure I think.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think you're right that it doesn't really hold a candle to Jimi's version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_n_P40sEaM

Has to be the best live performance ever, what with the eating out of the guitar, the tongue flicks and the guitar thrusts.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

It's on a very, very short list, to be sure.

That’s something I’ve never tried to come up with a list of, come to think of it. Best Live Performances, either single song or whole show. That’s a tough one, honestly, as I don’t actually listen to a ton of live recordings. Hmm…

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by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking John Cale vs Jeff Buckley?

I might prefer kd lang’s version to either

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by mysterui on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I hated kd lang's version.

And everything else she’s ever done. You want to see an impressive display of vitriol, just get me talking about kd lang sometime.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 2, 2011 4:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is the best version of that song

A different John Cale version is on the scrubs soundtrack and is awesome

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 1, 2011 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

People are really shitty writers these days

I’m editing journal articles by literally the smartest people (top 5%) in the class below mine, a class of 300, and it’s like nobody ever taught them basic composition. How do you edit when everything is wrong and your only urge is to throw the whole article in the garbage?

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

my high school teachers would make me rewrite if I broke their cardinals rules of paper writing

Just like three times. I almost never use passive voice and will avoid using they in a paper at all costs, among other things

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by Notorious PSC on Nov 30, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Passive voice isn't always wrong

I don’t why teachers bitch about that so much.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

In normal prose, maybe not

but you shouldn’t use it in formal scholarly writing, which is what I’m editing.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

eek, good luck. is this law review? i had to do that.

it was like somehow everyone lived the first 25-30 years of their lives without ever learning the distinction between passive and active voice.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

and just generally confusing too

all over this paper, there’s shit like “it was established” and “it was considered.”

…… By fucking whom, may I ask?

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That's passive voice?

I will never send you anything I wrote.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Never mind.

I thought about it and now I understand. I was just confused without the real subject put at the end.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

hah, I'm probably a bit more nazi-like than necessary about it

but only because I’ve had the misfortune of handing in drafts that use the passive voice to partners at a law firm. They will bite your fucking head off for for that, I found out.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

makes sense

liability and whatnot

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

truth.

they would rather you get drunk in your office than write once sentence in passive voice.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

They have established that it is better to be drunk in one's office

than for one to write in the passive voice

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

no.

the partners prefer that you get drunk in your office rather than write in the passive voice.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

it has been proven that it is better to for one to write in the

passive voice if one wants an english professor to pass you.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

are you deliberately trying to write in the passive voice

i thought you were doing the opposite at first

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just teasing

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by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think there are some subjects where it's more appropriate to use passive voice

Of course you should always name the subject.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

its is almost always wrong

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

funny you should mention that

I mean, there are errors of every kind, but one of the editees wrote almost her entire 15 page draft in the passive voice. It was driving me crazy.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

merit badge

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

VEB! Wher ehave you gone it's only midnight here!

What’s going on?

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2011 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

They gots to get up early tomorrow

crap so do i

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm browsing cars in craigslist

i don’t think my car will handle an hour commute every day for too long

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the passive voice discussion up there certainly isn't going to entertain me when I take study breaks.

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe you should request an unnecessary pic spamming.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

That could work.

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

someone get the alison brie gifs!

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhhhhhh!

They’re so happy!

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm here, what should we talk about?

I made a sock puppet (actual sock being used as a puppet) as a joke if that will start a subthread.

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

theatre project for lit class

I made a joke one day to my group that we should do the scenes with sock puppets, they objected to the idea immediately, but I said I would do it anyways. Well… this is just for shock value when they see the puppet they’ll laugh and I love making people laugh.
I probably won’t do the scenes with it though, eh… maybe.
/i’m weird.

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

EH....

I mean to pick up women at bars…AHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
/all respect lost from VEBers.

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Stay fink!

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Only until I finish editing thing author questionnaire!

Alternative answer: I’ll stay fink 4eva!

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by a fink on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know.

Are you sick? You should talk to scoot.

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA MEoW

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Why are they cooking the cat?

Were they fooled by his clever disguise?

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe his business venture of selling funny hats door to door didn't pay off

his entire inventory caught on fire because there was an electric wiring problem in his garage (he couldn’t afford an electrician)
he lost his house, he and his wife and two kids were force to move in his mother in law
his mother in law who hates him by the way, and thinks he’s a loser convinced his wife to kick him to the curve, and he was forced to live on the streets.
She wouldn’t let him see the kids either, and when she remarried she gave each of them her new husband’s last name.
He drank himself into a slobbering fool, experimenting from time to time with drugs just to take the edge off, and he was left a bag of lipids and proteins without a single thought or glimpse of hope.
He had only $6 in change and went to the local goodwill to buy a costume to fool the fisherman, and he did just that!

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It's to the curb, not curve.

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

accept it for what it is

a bunch of words mashed together as a quick attempt at humor.

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

no LOBsters!!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

11 in 11

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

LOLZ

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm awake.

And sort of not doing anything. What would you like to talk about?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I'm about to call it a night.

Having finished one final tonight and made significant progress on another part of another project I feel like I should sleep some.

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I see.

So you just wasted my time, is that what you’re telling me?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Well you waited over an hour to respond...so really you wasted your own time.

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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I responded in a very timely manner, by my standards.

So there.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 1, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So the Rockies traded Chris Iannetta for Tyler Chatwood

and signed Ramon Hernandez to a 2/6.25 deal

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah the Rockies have a lot of prospects/starters in the system now

DeLarosa should be back after the break from TJ he is 30 next year, Hammel fell off last year is 29, and Chacin(24), White(23), Pomeranz(23), Nicasio(25), Chatwood(22), Gardner(24), Houston(24), Friedrich(24), Bettis(22), Cabrera(23) will all be competing for 5 rotation spots next year

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd trade some of that depth

also, I really want Cabrera in the cardinals farm…

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

he and Bettis really put up some big numbers last year

Bettis had a 184/45 K/BB ratio and Cabrera had a 217/41 K/BB. That list above didn’t include Matzek who looked like a different pitcher after reworking his mechanics, Tyler Anderson who was their 1st Rounder this year, Peter Tago who is still highly regarded talentwise, or Nelson Gonzalez who is the next big thing from the latin program

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by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the hope is that 5 of the 15 turn out to be above average or at least average

Arenado is what has me psyched in that system. Trevor Story and Rosell Herrera are right behind him in getting me geeked for the next 8-9 years

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by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't you have a CF that OPS'd like .900 in AAA too?

Wheeler I’ve kept my eye on just because of the dramatic rise in power, there’s honestly too many for me to keep track of though.

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Blackmon had a ,965 OPS in AAA(PCL WARNING APPLIES)

Wheeler set a Tulsa record in AA with 35 HR

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by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what it is with Chatwood, he can throw 97, but his K/9 is 4

and his K/BB was almost one, he needs more seasoning.

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

O, She Says (by Hailey Leithauser)

O, she says (because she loves to say O)
O to this cloud-break that ravels the night,
O to this moon, its mouthful of sorrow,
O shallow grass and the nettle burr’s bite,

O to heart’s flare, its wobbly satellite,
O step after step in stumbling tempo,
O owl in oak, O rout of black bat flight,
(O moaned in Attic and Esperanto)

O covetous tongue, O fat fandango,
O gnat tango in the hot, ochered light,
O wind whirred leaves in subtle inferno,
O flexing of sea, O stars bolted tight,

O ludicrous swoon, O blind hindsight,
O torching of bridges and blood boiled white,
O sparrow and arrow and hell below,
O, she says, because she loves to say O.

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by a fink on Dec 1, 2011 12:53 AM EST reply actions  

needs a W

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Pluck / plucky just isn't used often enough to describe bad baseball players.

We need to expand our grit vocabulary. I feel like there’s a whole range of adjectives that we’re not taking advantage of here.

#HappySeason

by The Continental on Dec 1, 2011 1:20 AM EST reply actions  

Gutsy,

game, persevering, spirited, spunky, tenacious, undaunted, valiant ??

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 1, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

On a related note, somebody (possibly Y2S, can't remember)

used “rakishness” while talking about Lance Berkman. That was a good word to use also. He does have a rakish quality which is charming.

by mattybobo on Dec 1, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

that'd be us, yes.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

not necessarily

I see Oreo Double Stuff league having a pretty good shot here

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by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Unknown team ?

The guys with paper bags on their heads ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 1, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

didn't they just sign a closer

i can’t remember who i just remember the conclusion being drawn that feliz was finally moving to the rotation

by prophetjohn on Dec 1, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Nathan ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 1, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Joe Nathan

the 37 year old who struggled last year.

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by CodyG on Dec 1, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

But is he plucky?

I don’t think he’s plucky.

#HappySeason

by The Continental on Dec 1, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

what we really need is transcripts of the old, old radio calls

the stuff they came up with on the fly was amazing

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You can masturbate to this song if you want,

but I prefer to just listen.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 1, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

this thread is now soiled.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Dec 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This thread? VEB itself is a towel standing in the corner

of a teenager boys room, leaning up against the wall.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Hi.

Welcome to the internet. I can tell you are new here.

PS – VEB is the cleanest of the populated SBN sites. For real.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 1, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Might we get an overflow, please Mr.Robot,sir?

this thing’s at almost 1400.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

no

Let’s ride this bitch into the ground.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Dec 1, 2011 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

don't talk about dogs like that

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 1, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's ride this queen into the ground.

(I think queen is the term for a female cat, please don’t hate me people it was just a joke)

by mattybobo on Dec 1, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't know if you saw my comment the other day,

but, heh.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 1, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I did.

I laughed while playing “We are the Champions” in the background.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 1, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Umm Lookout Landing probably has you beat they damn near ban for OT

but VEB is a great place

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

And yet they still manage to make terrible, crude jokes more frequently than us.

Also, watch out for the OT threads.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 1, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

meh I prerfer not to risk banning for poor punctuation

and I rarely find the Mariners aren’t interesting enough for me to spend to much time there.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 1, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

This is for a fink:

I was at a liquor store buying some birthday presents for my dad, and I discovered the secret truth behind our confusion about Aventinus. Regular Aventinus is a wheat doppelbock, about 8% alcohol. There is also, however, an Aventinus weizen eisbock, which is an “ice” version created with some partial freezing, and is stronger and more intense. I bought a 16 oz. of the former and a 12 oz. of the latter and look forward to trying both. Yum.
I also became somewhat embarrassed when I discovered a simple explanation on Wikipedia. I should have done that instead of trying their official website, which of course is in German.

by mattybobo on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
If the Cardinals are able to re-sign the three-time MVP and keep him at first base for years to come, Adams will get opportunities to prove he can play the outfield.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-prospects-look-bright/article_2a437d65-7fac-5206-bbbe-98bd5618979d.html#ixzz1fIicvtgT

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 1, 2011 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

for some outfielders, the warning track is there to let them know the wall is coming

with Matt Adams, the warning track will be there to let the wall know he is coming.

by Robth on Dec 1, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

new post

here

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Dec 1, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

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