Morning Thread: St. Louis Cardinals Playoff Shares
by DanUpBaby on Nov 29, 2011 9:09 AM EST
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This amounts to news in late November: The Cardinals have awarded their playoff shares, and they are always much larger than I expect—$323,169.98 in this case, for 51 lucky full-shareholders. For Daniel Descalso, Allen Craig, Jon Jay, and David Freese, that's 77% of their salary. For Matt Holliday, it's two percent. Someone who can do math has probably used those numbers to explain why David Freese was highly motivated to have the best World Series ever and Matt Holliday lacked the incentives to not have an accumulated sludge of random injuries ruin his postseason.
What I'm interested in doing is sifting through the guys who were probably a little surprised to get checks in the mail this week. I don't have the time to do a big write-up about them this morning, but I'd like to hear, as is my wont this time of year, who it is you think you'll be least likely to remember as a 2011 Cardinal in 2031, when your robot children ask you what baseball was like before the robovolution.
My picks, so as not to influence yours, after the jump.
3. Andrew Brown: He's the easy choice, which is why I didn't rank him first. Brown isn't a touted prospect, wasn't as good a AAAA hitter or a repeat visitor as Mark Hamilton, hasn't bounced around forever or been a first round pick like Shane Robinson or Pete Kozma, and was almost completely forgettable, for good and ill, in his 22 plate appearances. Now he's a Colorado Spring Sky Sox, so he won't be back for a more memorable second go-round.
2. Bryan Augenstein: "Oh yeah," you'll say, when someone checks your answers on his robophone, "that year's inexplicable opening day guy!" Every time Roboduardo Sanchez pitches, you'll be reminded in a very vague way.
1. Brian Tallet: No player on the 2011 Cardinals, though, offers quite the combination of club tenure, uniqueness, and forgettability as Brian Tallet, who spent half the season with the Cardinals, was part of a crucial and controversial midseason trade, had an ERA over 8, looked like a surviving member of a hard-living 70s rock band in a 90s Behind the Music special, and is still completely forgettable.
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I find Brian Tallet to be quite memorable. Just look at that face.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 29, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hat.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
anyone else think he bears a striking resemblence to Ken Oberkfell?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Obie had a much better cut jib.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Mind is blown.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 30, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
tallet is in some kind of time warp
he thinks it’s the 70s
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Brian Tallet would have you know
that if he had to do it all over again, he wouldn’t change anything.
/BehindtheMusic’d
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 29, 2011 9:28 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Particularly when he raps his WS ring on the counter to fetch the attention of the teller who will cash his WS check. . .
Question – do Fredbird, the organist, the AP announcer and the like snag any WS loot? The broadcaster?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Sporcle
There is a quiz on every player who received a PA or pitched for the Cards in 2011 and most definitely forgot Andrew Brown and Tallet already. I don’t have to wait until 2031.
I couldn't remember Valdes's name.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
valdes has been valdes'd!
full circle
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was sitting there thinking,
“The lefty reliever who pitched a few games and got picked up by the Yankees. What is his name?”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I only missed Walters
sheesh
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
that was the only one i missed too
i only guessed shane robinson because i was desperate, but i am really surprised he played games with us this year. i have no memory of that.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
missed Hamilton and Cleto
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
For some reason...
after having just checked the entire 2011 roster, I still neglected to remember Walters.
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss?"
-The Diz
by The Classical on Nov 29, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Moi aussi
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
well i was too focused on the little guys that i forgot boggs...
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
i like how you only have to type RZEP
to get credit for Scrabble.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Nov 29, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i noticed that too
i thought it was hilarious
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I am far too sick to think so I cheated
And still left out Brown, Rhodes, and Augenstein
by Cheeseballs on Nov 29, 2011 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Got 'em all,
but was down to 2 with 3 minutes left – somehow Punto and Dickson escaped me for the longest time.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn't spell KMac's name right
lost like 3 whole minutes on it, so ended up missing a whole bunch of others
Cards fan in Middle East
i left out rhodes, patterson and dickson (facepalm)
selective memory is a hell of a thing
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
strangely enough
I spent like 30 seconds staring at the line for Tyler Greene thinking “who is this mysterious utility man?” before I got him. My decision to skip coffee this morning is distinctly non-vindicated.
I was that with Punto. Too late at night.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 30, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
i got everyone except Cleto and Robinson
but seriously, Robinson played for the Cards this year? i think i missed that.
by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
i apologize for gdming the previous thread
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cubs are in on Pujols and Fielder
According to Rosenthal and Morosi:
Pujols, 31, is nearly 3½ years older than Fielder, but sources say the Cubs are more willing to go long-term with Pujols, who is the better defender according to advanced metrics. Some teams, concerned by Fielder’s body would prefer him on a shorter, high-dollar deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yuck
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is Buster Olney suggesting the interest is not real?
The mere perception Cubs are after Pujols/Fielder helps the Cubs, to potentially drive up the price for division rivals. See Rivera,Mariano.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So Theo is pulling a Cashman?
Hey, at least he learns from his mistakes I guess.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I thought the insinuation was
Theo bid up the Yankees on Rivera and now he’s trying to bid the Cards up on Pujols.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think that's Theo talking out of his ass.
Cashman clearly bid up the contract on Carl Crawford, however, and has been public about that since the spring. I like Theo a lot, but bidding up the Yankees? Who would spend $250M anyway? What, exactly, is the point of that?
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
you mean Buster talking out of his ass?
that would never happen.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Well, where's Buster getting his information from?
Most likely Theo, as he’s close with the Boston front office. And, imo, this is something I would think Theo would enjoy talking about a lot, as ego driven as he is.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Buster gets his information from licking shoes
surprised you didn’t know that
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Not toads?
Lefty Grove isn't interested in your pitch counts.
http://www.rallybirds.wordpress.com
by mynameistyler on Nov 29, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
er Buster Olney is notoriously close with the Yankees
not as much with Boston. Peter Gammons was always the Boston mouthpiece of choice.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I think this relates to the Yanks being supposedly in on Crawford.
Which caused Theo to overspend a bit.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if it does
the “see Rivera, Mariano” part of this tweet makes absolutely zero sense
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
It's in both Lozano/Pujols' and the Cubs' interests
for the price to go up. Until the Cubs make a bigger offer that Lozano shops with the Cardinals, they shouldn’t move off what they’ve offered. I certainly won’t believe the Cubs are really in on Pujols until that happens.
I don't think that the Cubs will offer him more than the Cardinals already have.
In fact, I don’t see any team in baseball offering him more than what is on the table. This is why I feel quite confident he will return and finish his career in St. Louis.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Bluff
The Cubs will be awful next year and improve slightly in subsequent years. Pujols/Fielder will be great in 2012 and then decline.
It’s a bad match.
Sign Roy O
When has that ever deterred the Cubs?
Zambrano, Bradley, Soriano, Fukudome, Billygoat
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Cub blood trumps all . . . . It's blue and circulates once every century . . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
After reading that Raul Valdes pitched in seven games for the team...
you could certainly call me surprised and claim that I have selective memory; but I would agree with your assessment of Augenstein as well. Andrew Brown will always be memorable for me as having to watch him start in one of the two games I attended in DC and having my wife legitimately believe that I was making up a name for our fill-in rightfielder.
Also, let’s not kid ourselves and think that we will honestly have remembered Shane Robinson getting 8 PAs two years from now, let alone post-robovolution.
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss?"
-The Diz
before the robovolution happens, here are some job openings in pro sports in the area for people
Rams are looking for an Operations Manager
the Bears are looking for an eCommerce mManager
the Milwaukee Bucks need a Graphic Design Coordinator
if you wanna be rui’s boss (if he still works there) Sporting is looking for a Director of Partnership Strategy whatever that means
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I would hedge a guess that the Operations Manager for the Rams
doesn’t pay near as much as a lot of people here would guess that it would. My brother held a similar position for the Redskins and made around $50,000 a year. And I would guess that the Redskins (who have a 100,000 seat stadium and the most ridiculous suite level this side of Dallas) would pay much more than the Rams for these type of people.
Also, I did get a phone call on the Cardinals HR Director job you sent me. Not really what I’m interested in doing (basically recruiting stadium staff) and the salary was not near enough to get me to consider relocating my family.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
you were supposed to take that job long enough to get all of veb hired into the front office
did you not read that memo?
(but yeah, those wages are almost never competitive, i guess they see working for the team as enough of a perk to make people forgo a big portion of the salary)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I don't think that many here at VEB
would want to sell hot dogs, cotton candy, and souvenirs at games in 2012. We seem to be a professional group of people who would have no interest in that type of work. That’s essentially what this person was being tasked with hiring from the way it was explained to me.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
sounds intriguing
not
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
not to mention
that you wouldn’t be able to be on VEB while at work. That is reason enough that most people here wouldn’t take the job. I mean I am a part-time lurker and I spend a couple hours here each day while on the clock.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
well that's SBN's fault for not enabling the direct-to-brain interface
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
...I'd do it.
Lefty Grove isn't interested in your pitch counts.
by mynameistyler on Nov 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
is the cotton candy free?
if yes…..
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If one was interested in getting a start at one of those
Organizations where could they get some information.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 10:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looks to me like you'd contact Delaware North Corporation
and ask to be put in touch with the General Manager for the Rams and Bears job.
For the Sporting KC job, I would think that Rui could give you some contact info.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I'm fairly confident I won't remember Corey Patterson as a 2011 Cardinal...
mostly because I’m doing my very best to forget him.
Is there a list of who got the full shares, and who got partial shares?
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Nov 29, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions
everyone that was on the postseason roster at any time got full shares
also the coaches and “select members of the support staff”
for people traded or released during the season, prorated partial shares
total of 51 full shares, 11.962 in partial shares and eight cash awards per goold
rings for everyone
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Does that mean Chambers got a full share?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
patterson was a throw in
johnny mo actually INTENTIONALLY called Tallet and asked him to be a part of the team. Nausea.
Something clever...
At the time, I thought Tallet would be a good reclamation signing.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Tallet WHIP 1.92
Schumaker WHIP 2.00
IHeartIHeartBoog
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Royals sign Jonathan Broxton
1 year, 4 million.
Why?
by rumors on Nov 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, that's a pretty low price for a potentially elite+ reliever
If he sucks, then eh. $4 mil
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Odorizzi, Montgomery, and Crow
could all make the rotation out of spring training too. Add Paulino and Hochevar and that’s a pretty decent rotation if the young guys are ready.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
And Sanchez
And Soria(really a Closer with four plus pitches?)
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Bruce Chen will likely start.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
SWEET CHEN MUSIC
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah
weird signing for them, kinda, given what they have, but it’s definitely not a bad move. saw some weird MLBTR stuff suggesting Soria could start? but then i read Broxton’s pencilled in for setup, so i guess not.
by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Crow and Soria would both likely be good starters
as Crow has 3 good pitches and Soria has four
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
the royals seems tp be a place where
Washed up veterans go to die…
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
UMMM or be resurrected
they got 13.2 WAR out of Melky, Frenchy, Treanor, Francis and Paulino last year all for about 7 Million total
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
really? wow
I just remember a bunch of veterans going there and disappearing, in years past. That’s pretty Danny impressive though.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But don't they have one of the lowest payrolls?
Why would they pay a reliever, that their not even planning on using as a closer, 4 mil? It just seems wasteful to me.
by rumors on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trade deadline fodder
ALA Podsednik, Ankiel, and Farnsworth
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
theoretically, if Broxton comes back
they could flip him for a lot at the deadline. elite RP are worth too much in trades.
by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
If he looks anything like Broxton 09
Boston seems likely to fall all over themselves trying to grab him at the deadline
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
considering what they got for Aviles last year Broxton could bring a nice piece
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
They probably see a relatively weak AL Central and think they have a realistic chance at it
They’re not going to mortgage the future for players, but they could make the playoffs if a few high risk low-reward signings pan out
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
For some reason,
Heyman, Crasnik and others are tweeting that Broxton gives KC flexibility with Soria and that KC may trade him or move him to the rotation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Royals are turning into a scary team
rotation is coming together nicely…solid bullpen, especially the back end…vastly improved offense…more highly touted guys coming down the pipes. I could see them contending as soon as next year in a pretty weak AL central.
Something clever...
they have a lot of reall interesting pieces
Salvador Perez hit well in a SSS and is 21, Escobar is a defensive Wiz and if his .272/.305/.385 line over the final 2 months can be sustained/improved on he is a well above average SS. I really like Yamaico Navarro who they got along with a RP for Mike Aviles.
Butler, Hosmer, Moose, Myers, Cain, and Giavotella should all be average to above average hitters for their positions given a full season. Montgomery, Duffy, Crow, Lamb, Odorizzi, Jeffress, Holland, Coleman, Collins and Wood are all likely to be plus contributors in the coming years
Gordon, Paulino, and Hochevar have varying degrees of recent success to build on, Sanchez and Broxton seem like very valuable trade pieces should they pitch well. Chen is steady and an excellent 5th starter and Soria is one good season from being traded for even more young talent.
All said that is supremely talented young team with Broxton joining Matt Treanor as the only guys over the age of 30
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I would love to have Gordon
On the Cards as a backup OF/3B man.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
He would be the starting 3B or RF
he had one hell of a year last year
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Its nuts
The amount of young talent the Royals have.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
True, imagine if Starling has a Trout/Harper breakout
if Sanchez returns to 2010 form, Paulino continues to improve off of his 3.69 FIP season, Hochevar can build off of his final two monthes of 3.10 and 3.22 FIP and any of the young guys can step up the Royals are primed for a 5 year run.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
yeah, no way he becomes an ace
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
No way?
I don’t think it’s likely, but I wouldn’t rule it out. He gets a ton of ground balls and has the ability to get swings and misses like he did in 2010. He turned 28 this year.
This guy was a late bloomer and could be a good comp for Hochevar if he ever figures out how to be more consistent from start to start. Similar stuff, similar profiles, similar numbers through age 28, although Brown did it in a more pitching friendly environment.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Carp really isn't too bad of a comp either
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Yeah, he's 28 with a career 4.27 xFIP in a little under 600 innings
The only quality he has that’s ace-like is a hard fastball, but it’s flat and he throws it up in the zone. Obviously it’s possible, but I don’t think it’s much more than that.
Brown in his first full year had a 3.6 WAR season, 1.3 WAR more than Hochevar’s best season to date.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
So he's Edwin Jackson?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Right, so IN TOTAL he's a 3/4 starter
My point is that for 5-6-7 starts a time (like this August/September) he can totally dominate lineups. The difference is that he has trouble consistently bringing his best stuff.
I think Carp has much better stuff, but Kevin Brown’s “stuff” was really never all that good either. He had hard sinker and was able to throw it by some guys enough to get some strikeouts. If you look at start-by-start, Brown is another guy that had trouble with consistency over a full season….up until about age 30 and then he was a dominant pitcher for a little over half a decade.
I don’t know that it would do the Royals any favors to have that happen, but I don’t think that we can completely rule out that he NEVER becomes an ace for a season or three.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I think most 4.20 xFIP pitchers are able to put up a 3.20 xFIP over 5-6-7 starts
Hochevar is not special in that area. I don’t think he has a much larger chance of breaking out than any other completely average pitcher.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Do most of those guys also have a 15K/0BB game on their resume?
Because, say what you will for one start, that’s tremendously difficult to do unless you have above average stuff.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Hmm, I've always wondered what those individual games say about a pitchers' talent
It would be a good study.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
15K games would seem to be few and far between.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Three guys that come to mind first: Morrow, Wood, Randy Johnson.
Clemens has done it I think
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Weaver i think earlier this year
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
yeah, it's just bayesian probability when you boil it down
What are the odds that an average pitcher K’s 15 in a game? I’m not sure how you would incorporate that into a projection, though.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Specifically:
What are the odds that any pitcher K’s 15 in a game without walking anyone?
That’s a special sort of dominance. Nolan Ryan had quite a few 15 K games where he walked 5+ hitters. In the modern small ballpark era, that’s a recipe for giving up 3-4 runs.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
You and your taz-deductible B-R play index.
Show-off.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm really glad
I got to watch this game. Highest game score for a 9 inning start in history. Next closest is 4 points later.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
F'in official scorer.
That was an E-5, dammit.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I caught the last 3 innings on the radio after work.
You couldn’t hear the announcers most of the time, and when you could Milo and Ashby were cheering for Wood.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Lots o' randoms in there once, but if you sort by name, the real dominate guys stand out
"He probably misses his old glasses."
24 swinging strikes in 116 pitches
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Twitter
226 games where the pitcher struck out 15 and walked nobody?
That’s what I was getting at. Any high K pitcher can have a good night striking people out, but striking out that many without walking anyone is much more difficult and displays a different sort of dominance
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I agree but at this point if he can eat 200 innings
of say 4.00 FIP baseball he will be immensely valuable as the young arms (Montgomery, Lamb, Duffy, Odorizzi) come along
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I think Hochevar could be a late bloomer
He has stretches where he’s a near dominant starter, he just can’t consistently do that for a whole season.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
immensely valuable?
I dunno that’s like 2-2.5 WAR, and he’s in arbitration now isn’t he? He’s a good player, but Lynn or Rzep are likely more valuable.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
the 200 inning are most of the value as it means
not rushing a guy like Lamb back from TJ
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
He's valuable to the Royals
in that both he and Chen can be anchors in their rotation while they work Crow, Montgomery, Lamb, Duffy, Odorizzi, et al into the rotation.
Aaron Crow is more “valuable” because he’s cheaper. That’s not the type of “value” that we’re talking about though.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
If you're picking that high for that long
you should be able to develope something eventually.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
There like the Lions
of Baseball!!!!!
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
What is really sad is how close they were to being even nastier
in 2010 they picked safe at 4th getting Colon if they had got Machado no way they trade Grienke to the Brewers
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
You'd think so.
Fun fact: The Royals have not made a post-season appearance since their ill-gotten ‘85 WS. 25+ years of high drafts haven’t added up to much yet. It does seem like they might be putting something together, though.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
it hasn't helped the Pirates much either
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Agreed. I think we're falling
into the trap of thinking that Playoff 2011 David Freese is the real Regular Season David Freese.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 29, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
it depends
he and McGwire reported that they adjusted his swing. he’s still not any better at taking walks, but apparently he improved on the balls he did hit.
whether this is sustainable, and whether his ankles are still made of glass, is what we’ll have to find out
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well Regular Season david freese was worth 2.7 WAR in 363 PA
and 4.4 WAR over a season’s worth of PAs.
so i guess i’m falling into that “trap.”
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
....lost....in....
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 29, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sig win.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
its not just about his attractiveness
its not even mostly about that. its mostly about how i would like to see the same guy start at 3b two years in a row for once.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
just indulging in the wordplay
and look, it netted a giant photo
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If nothing else, his chin should be able to baseballs when his glove can't.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
he did try to field with his head... didn't quite work
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
BUT IT DID.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
i'm still mad that his second catch near the camera well wasn't in the film
the first one nearly killed him
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
*stop baseballs
sheesh
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Context, yo
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
o_o
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Heh heh it DOES make me laugh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
But what about his BABIP?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
can't tell if joking
but in any event, who knows? he has had a high BABIP his entire professional career. so it doesn’t bother me that much.
bill james says .299 /.357 /.452 with a .353 wOBA. i’ll take it.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Here's the issue:
He might be a true talent .350+ BABIP guy. That’s fine, but a different the argument. The issue is that his production is almost entirely dependent on a high BABIP, and it’s just tough to bet on those guys.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
oh hai mindless typos
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'm a little disappointed,
as I was hoping for a mention of standard deviation in your reply to IHB’s reply to my comment.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What's a standard deviation
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
a foot fetish?
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Keep telling yourself that, tom.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure every team in baseball would like to have a 7 WAR player as their backup at three positions
Assuming, of course, that their starters were even better than that. What is this, the ’50’s era Yankees?
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Your of course assuming
That last season was Gordons true talent level.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
Regressing his BABIP, ISO, and walk rates to his career averages....
He’s still a 5.5 WAR player.
He’s also been worth at least 2 WAR in every season in which he’s gotten more than 300 PA’s.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
well you also have to regress his performance, even after you adjust for basic luck factors
He was replacement level over his previous 400 PA. He’s probably 4 WAR going forward. Similar to Kemp in that way.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
He was also adjusting to a new position
and getting shuttled up and down between the majors and minors the previous two seasons. Finally they just stuck him in LF and put him in the lineup everyday…and HEY, whaddaya know, the guy can hit.
He’s at least a 4 WAR player because of his good defense in LF, and I think there’s more pop in his bat yet. Not sure he’s a .300 hitter, but I’m pretty sure he’s a 370 OBP/.500 SLG type of guy going forward.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Chen's age?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
When I make a #lazyrasmus tweet, I can never tell if the people retweeting me understand the joke or not
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Remember when RasmusGirl got really offended at all the LazyRasmus jokes and we had to explain it to her?
Those were the days
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
The trade worked!
Those were some fun meme’s
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
would it be terribly flamebaity to just open a separate fanshot to catalog all the Rasmus memes?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Doooooooo...
eeeeeeeeeet.
Lefty Grove isn't interested in your pitch counts.
by mynameistyler on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
i think the priority should be the World Series Menagerie, imho
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think it is inevitable
Someone will do it, so someone should do it soon, who can do it well.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
it's *extremely* difficult to search Colby memes
the ironic ones are mixed in with serious inquiries.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they also are stating that signing Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder immediately makes their minor league system better
i’m a little confused by that one, personally.
by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
They are also the Cubs
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My personal fave is the argument that "a big market team can't take a year or two off to rebuild"
God forbid the Cubs make an organized effort to build a quality team…
Sign Roy O
come on, just look at the Mets!
you absolutely have to sign one of the biggest free agents every year if you’re a big market team. heaven forbid you don’t. you might miss out on Jason Bay.
by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Mets are so crazy
they looked so close in 06-07 and have done nothing but regress since
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I laughed.
Remember when everyone was clamoring over Jason bay instead of Matt?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, I believe it was a joint Bay + Figgins instead of Holliday
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'll admit to rather having DeJesus as opposed to Holliday.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I should have clarified
that I was for DeJesus at the time. I’m rather happy that I was wrong.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, not from me
I was Holliday all the way
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
The Cubs: rebuilding for 103 years and counting
by dmiles on Nov 29, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Be fair...
It’s only been 66 years since they made the World Series…
…
…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
And it's only been 8 years since they were within 3 outs of going again.
This is progress.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I believe it was actually 5
but I’m not trying to split hairs
I saw one of these canvas wall art thingys at Target today
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, god forbid you try a new approach
after 100 years of futility
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
That blog is pretty insufferable
I like to read all around SBN, but Yellon writes way too many fluff pieces. There are some pretty educated commenters, but I’m not sure how they deal with most of it.
Something clever...
Yellon expanding into the main page has been.... problematic.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
SBN: We're all about the Cubs.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
it continues to bother me that they're on the full log-on page collage
and we aren’t
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Royals potentially interested in Rasmus
From the Toronto Sun:
The Kansas City Royals will start with Lorenzo Cain in centre, but with concerns about whether the 25-year-old (42 career starts) will hit has the Royals looking at Colby Rasmus of the Jays.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It'll be interesting to see if Rasmus becomes a progressively less valuable trade piece a la the Walrus...
he’s the type of player it could happen to.
Sign Roy O
All that moving will be very tiring for him.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 29, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he'll probably just stop unpacking his bags
#lazyrasmus
by tomsteele on Nov 29, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
#lazyVEB
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 29, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Oh I made that joke like 5 months ago
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I don't know I think it got retweeted a bunch of times
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Sure you did, just like your super original Matt Holliday looks like Jenna Fischer joke.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Oh wow am I in the wrong tab?
Is this the “Viva el whiny little Fritz” forum instead?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Nov 29, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fritz is little???
i didn’t know
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you must have missed when he whipped it out last month
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
oh i figured someone's mom knew
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
RALLY!
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's actually "Viva el Whiny Fritzo."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You guys should check out the
“Viva El/La Bobo” forum.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Nov 29, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Isn't every player the type of player that could happen to?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Bill James has Cain at .284/.337/.416, for what it's worth
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Gawd, do you know the things I would do to get the equivalent of a triple slash line in soccer?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
soccer is great too bad Denver doesn't have a pro team
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
o_o
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Easy, Rui. He probably won't do that....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
when I see this response I don't see confused
I see a stare down ala Michael Beihn as Johnny Ringo
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
that's easy
- of goals scored / # of times kicked ball / # of times fell down
ex. Pete Kickyfoot had a great year in ’09 going 50/150/200
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Nov 29, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
you need a wTFD, so that you can properly weight
The number of times he fell down in a sufficiently dramatic fashion to convince the ref that he was fouled.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 29, 2011 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That plus good D from a rookie CF he is what a 3-3.5 WAR player?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Oh easily. Probably more.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
So they traded Melky so that they could trade for Rasmus?
Dayton Moore continues to confound me.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
The dumb thing is to have Melky take up all the at bats in 2011...
and not give your 25 year old, CFer of the future a chance to show what he can do.
Sign Roy O
Not if Sanchez becomes a legit 2-3 starter for them
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Disagree
The dumb thing was to give all the AB’s to Frenchie when one of those two players could have seen time in RF this year.
Melky had a great year last year and they got good value for him on the trade market. Trading for Rasmus, however, is a degree of magnitude more stupid when you could just install Cain in CF and be ready to go. Also, they have Wil Myers, who will start in AAA this season and could be ready to play RF in the big leagues by June. So it seems really silly to be trading for a player who potentially fills zero gaps in your long term plan.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
They didn't really get good value...
Sanchez is a 1-2 win pitcher and he’ll cost $7 million next year. He’s a non-tender candidate, or should be.
Sign Roy O
Getting a #3 starter and a prospect for Melky is a pretty good trade.
You really seem to have difficulty with valuations.
What did they give up for Melky vs. what they got in return for Melky? That’s a huge win for the Royals right there.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
trading Melky: a smart move
getting Sanchez back for him: a weird move.
by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's a good gamble
There are only a handful of pitchers in the majors that get more swinging strikes than Sanchez. He also gets a lot of weak contact when he’s right, which he wasn’t for much of 2011 due to injury. Look at his LD% and BABIP for 2009 and 2010: that’s a lot of weak contact.
They really didn’t need Melky next year, so it was smart to move him at the peak of his value. I don’t know what the market was for a player as inconsistent as he is, but to get back a #3 starter with ace level stuff and control problems is a pretty good return, imo.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Not that different stuffwise than say Edwin Jackson
if the Change of scenery works then they have a 2-3 starter well below market value. If it doesn’t then they lost a buy low flyer who had a career year who was blocking a guy who likely replaces his production.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
It will be interesting to see what Jackson gets this offseason as a free agent
He’s got great stuff and his peripherals have always been pretty good. But the inconsistency in starts is a real problem — you never know which Edwin Jackson you’re going to get.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I could see the Marlins giving him 5/60
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I doubt Jackson gets more than the Lohse deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
They perform similarly (I think), but Jackson has better stuff, which makes him superficially more valuable, I would imagine
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
People can dream on Jackson
nobody would ever mistake Lohse for a 1-2 starter
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I think the Cardinals mistook Lohse for a No. 2 starter after his magical 2008 season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Really in a market where Broxton got 4/50
and CJ Wilson is the only #2 starter on the market?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Broxton got 1 year, $4MM.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Broxton had a 5.63 FIP last year
his K/9 fell from 13.5 in 2009 to 7.11 last year. Jackson has started 31 or more games for 5 consecutive seasons and has just had his best statistical season.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
That is all true, but Broxton is a reliever who received a 1-year, $4MM contract
and not a 4-year, $50MM contract as you stated above. Unless I’ve misinterpreted your comment.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He must have meant Papplebon.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that is exactly right
thanks for saving me I was about to get all ritgheous up in this bitch!
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I'd guess Buerhle would get #2 starter money.
Possibly Kuroda too.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Kurpoda would have received #2 money last year
if he had been open to pitching anywhere but with the LAD
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
lol Toronto...
centre.
Lefty Grove isn't interested in your pitch counts.
http://www.rallybirds.wordpress.com
by mynameistyler on Nov 29, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Royals potentially interested in Rasmus
From the Toronto Sun:
The Kansas City Royals will start with Lorenzo Cain in centre, but with concerns about whether the 25-year-old (42 career starts) will hit has the Royals looking at Colby Rasmus of the Jays.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
hazel (and anyone else interested)
the best resource for building computers is /r/buildapc
here’s their beginner’s guide
it really isn’t that difficult. i have little to no technical skill and i’ve built computers no problem.
have fun with skyrim, hazel. see you in a few years.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Thanks.
Probably not going to actually but Skyrim because, literally, it could ruin my life, but I do want a new computer that is capable of running them fancy video games.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Silly question about WS shares but
does anybody know if any players have cashed in on both the winner’s and loser’s share? Seems like it has probably happened that some guys have played with one of the teams that made the series and ended up with the other team. Just can’t think of any examples.
The other players vote whether or not other players get partial shares, yeah?
Can’t imagine they voted yes on Rhodes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Wouldn't he also get partial shares from the Rangers playoff run?
If so, Rhodes might actually make as much or more than any of the players due to both of his 2011 teams making the World Series.
Interesting.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Bengie got shares from both teams last year
and it was apparently enough to make him never want to play again!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
he was still in the mix until late in the offseason.
people were murmuring about making him Yadi’s backup which just…. uh, no.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
even though he was due?
87 years old and never been to the ws?
In love with the new Gaknar avatar.
by threadkiller on Nov 29, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are other Molinas out there ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 29, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
there's only one molina
and various amounts of stage make-up.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
[now appearing in this thread]
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Matt Thornton is available
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/white-sox-looking-to-trade-matt-thornton-.html
GOB, his contract is ugly
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Doesn't he make something like $6MM in 2012?
If that’s the case, I’d pass. What a waste of money.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
glad mo didn't trade straight up with chisox
he and jackson would have been the return
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
For the people who bought jerseys
From Mitchell & Ness. Did you get any emails saying your item shipped or how to track your order?.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I received one this morning with a tracking link.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Im guessing they charge your card when it ships
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
mine has not shipped yet.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
wife just texted me that
she got an email telling her that her order had been cancelled. Could just be a ruse to throw me off on my Christmas present, but if it’s true, I ’m not a fan of M&N.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that's cold.
Checked the site this morning, and it just says unshipped. Which one were you getting?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Still not sure how I feel about having the jersey of a heated bigot...
But it’s a really nice jersey!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
You don't want your bigot room temperature, now do you?
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Nov 29, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it helps keep the pipes connected to the bigot from bursting
in sub zero temps
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
those are the worst kind
bigotting really isn’t the same without the high blood pressure.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I might cry if that happens to me.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 29, 2011 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
she just read the email to me
it’s legit. I’m not happy with Mitchell and Ness right now. “The item you purchased was out of stock and will not be restocked. . . funds credited back to your card. . . blah blah blah, we’re lying whores with a shitty website that screwed you not once, but twice.”
Paraphrased, of course.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
agree/disagree:
it would be DEVASTATING to Cardinals fans [if the Cubs signed Pujols].
Obviously I would rather Albert be a Cardinal than a Cub, all else equal. But if the Cubs signed him, that means they paid more $ and/or years than we were comfortable spending on a living legend that is the face of the franchise. I wouldn’t consider taking that amount of money off the table from a direct competitor devastating.
I would also convince myself that there is a real chance it’s just classic Albert long conning the Cubs.
If the Cubs were to sign him for, say, 9 years, $225 million, I'd be okay with it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'm frankly concerned that the Cardinals reportedly offered 9 years before Pujols hit free agency.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'd be less okay with it, but I'd like it over the final three years.
Pujols will be 32 in 2012, which means that contract would take him to age 38. There aren’t many starting big-leaguers who play the field in their late 30s nowadays.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Suspect that he and Lozano would be, too. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
i would be upset but it would mostly be directed at albert.
i’m pretty much fine with him going somewhere else if the other team pays him too much. but—even though i know this is unreasonable—i don’t want albert going to the cubs no matter what they offer since it seems disloyal to the cardinals. which is, i know, silly of me. he doesn’t really owe the team anything.
and it’s not like i would be super mad. just disappointed.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
The notion that he doesn't owe the Cardinals anything doesn't sit well with me.
I mean they drafted him when everybody and their brother passed on him. They developed him throughout their minor league system, they paid him and put food on his table and gas in his Ferrari. The fans roll out the Red Carpet for him. I think to say he doesn’t owe anything is correct but to take a money grab and go to a rival really spits in the face of the organization that developed him. But hey, it is what it is.
All of that would matter to me.
Especially if I had already made over $100MM. That being said, I wouldn’t blame Pujols for feeling that his history with the Cardinals organization and his legacy in the game of baseball is less important than making a few million more dollars per year for a longer period of time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i think pujol's rationalisation would be that
he can have both. he has solidified his legacy as one of the best cardinals, he’s probably one of the top fifty baseball players of all time, and if someone offers him more money he can take that offer with the assurance that his legacy is still solidified in st louis and in major league baseball in general.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
this of course is all referring to that mythic ballplayer:
albert pujol.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Well
lets say he plays for the Cubs and breaks all of the standing records. Since he broke them in a Cub uni, is he going in the HOF as a Cub or Cardinal? Before Barry Bonds roided up was he going in as a Pirate or Giant? That’s what would worry me.
i don't know if it matters to pujols.
it of course matters to fans of the cardinals.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
If it doesn't matter
to him then that’s just shitty. He was right then there is only one man. It’s not El Hombre.
to clarify: i said "i don't know", meaning
“i have no special access to his thoughts and therefore am unable to guess at his particular motivations”.
although frankly i’m not sure if it really should matter.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I know
I’m saying if true, that would be shitty on his part. I struggle with if I had 100 million dollars to hit a ball over a fence and someone offered me 200 more or 220 more, I would stay where I was cause I would want to be in the red jacket later and coming out on a golf cart when I was 90 years old.
If you are smart you are not going to spend all that money and you set up your kids kids well into the future.
i think that this would change if you had legitimate offers for
one offer that was worth $20 million more than another offer. that’s a significant amount of money, no matter how much money you’d earned before.
plus, even if pujols feels this way, he can’t very well come out and say it because that would torpedo any negotiating leverage he has.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Isn't up to the HOF to decide what team goes on a player's plaque?
Didn’t they depict Gary Carter as an Expo despite his wish to go in as Met?
correct.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
How is Boggs a Devil Ray?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yep, that's when they changed it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Part of his deal with Tampa
As Fritz says, that was the reason the final choice was taken from the players.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
In the HoF?
He’s in as a Red Sox. They stepped in and changed it before he was inducted.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC Barry hated his time in pittsburgh
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
to be fair,
the Cardinals also passed on him 12 times before they picked him up. And despite a his last contract’s size, he was still incredibly underpaid.
the contract was one of the largest ones, at the time, for a player with 3 years experience
if he signed a contract for 2-3 years, he would have hit free agency in his prime rather than at the start of his decline. he would have been in a much better position. He signed the contract. The fact that he outperformed it doesn’t mean that he was underpaid.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
um. that's exactly what it means.
his pay was less than his value.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
If he was signing a yearly contract each year, then yes he was underpaid
but when you look at the contract at the time it was signed, it was a great contract for Albert. How many other players with 3 years experience got a better contract than that? Braun and Howard each got higher AAV, but fewer years.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
i don't think we're using the same definition for underpaid,
as it makes fuck all difference (to me) whether it was a one year contract repeated 8 times or a 8 year contract. he was worth about $130 million more than he was paid.
i’m not disagreeing that it was a lot of money, or that it’s almost unheard of to give a player with that little service time that many years for that much money. all i’m saying is that over the eight years, relative to the value he provided the team, he was underpaid.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i mean, the trick to competitive baseball
is to underpay players, so i’m not necessarily saying this was a bad thing. it was great for the cardinals because it allowed the team to contend for less money than it would have taken on the open market.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i'm not sure you guys are talking about the same thing.
yes, the contract will go down as one of the great team deals ever. but was it at the time? Who was going to predict ~7 WAR for 10 seasons? no one, cause that’s ridiculous. It’s fair to say that, historically, neither the team nor Pujols knew how one sided it would be. i think Walton just had an article on this.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
yeah, i agree with what you said. but saying this
“the fact that he outperformed it doesn’t mean that he was underpaid” doesn’t make sense according to my definition of underpaid.
at the time, the results were inscrutable. now they most certainly aren’t. and pujols was underpaid.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
The difference is that I am looking at the salary being agreed to in 2004.
Based on when it was signed, they were not underpaying him.
A different example we could be kyle lohse. I think people can agree that his contract was bad. We overpaid based on the information available at the time. If he is somehow becomes the second coming of Bob Gibson and is worth 11WAR, the total value of the contract is good, but we still overpaid for him.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
okay, i've identified the problem.
we’re using completely different definitions.
why would you limit your analysis to the narrow information available at the time? this makes any meaningful type of evaluation impossible.
“well, we paid four hundred million for that company. we found out that they were cooking their books afterwards, massively inflating what they were worth. however, based on what we knew at the time, we didn’t overpay.”
um, okay. but now you know differently. we can evaluate based on the last 8 years of information. and you must, in order to get a fair view of the contract and pujols’ worth. was he worth more than he was paid? yes.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
see we are making progess
The reason I look at when the contract was signed is because during the life of the contract, his pay doesn’t change. So you can’t say that 7 year after it was signed we underpaid/overpaid. We didn’t pay based on what happened in 2011, we paid based on what happened in 2001-2003. The decision of how much to pay was made in 2004 so you can’t base that decision on what happened after that.
IMO – You can state that he is worth more than his contract, but that is different than being underpaid.
In the end, its all semantics.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
And when signing a long term deal, risk plays a huge factor
If AP had missed a couple of years with injuries, this discussion would be a bit different. Both sides get certainty. The Cards are able to secure the player for a long term deal but must bear the risk that on day one of said deal, he suffers a career ending injury. The player is getting a huge payout that protects him in case of said injury.
this is frustrating to me because i'm not quite sure how to explain myself.
1) his pay did change over the life of the contract, it wasn’t a constant every year. however, i’ll assume what you meant is that the amount at the end didn’t change based on performance, with which i agree.
2) “you can’t say that 7 year after it was signed we underpaid/overpaid”. yes i can. that’s what i’m doing.
3) “the decision of how much to pay was made in 2004 so you can’t base that decision on what happened after that”. of course! i agree with you here. i’m not saying that the contract was overpaying or underpaying in 2004. all i’m saying is that looking back, pujols was worth an incredibly amount more than he was paid. i’m not sure what else you would call this.
let me use an example, if i may. say you buy a gold bar that is at the time worth $100. you pay $100. over time the price of gold goes up, and you sell the bar for $230. this is not underpaying.
you buy a gold bar that is at the time you think is worth $100. it turns out, for some reason, that the bar is actually made out of iron and is only gold-plated. it’s actually worth $5. you massively overpaid even though based on the information you had at the time of purchase you paid a fair market price.
with pujols, the cardinals bought what they thought was a gold bar, but it turned out to be an ingot of frozen unicorn tears or something.
I REALISE THIS ANALOGY MAY BE RIDICULOUS BUT IT HELPS TO ILLUSTRATE MY THOUGHT PROCESS
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think the problem may be that the word ''underpaid"
takes on a different meaning depending on whether you use it as a verb or an adjective.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I think I understand your bizarre twisted logic I just disagree.
now on something on which we can agree:
This is awesome
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Motte's thinking
“I can’t believe they’re letting hold this! They have no idea what I’m going to do to it later!”
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
or
The Glove let me hold this! Look!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or
This guy next to me is so disarmingly folksy! Hey I got a trophy!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
that might be two separate blockquotes
with maybe incomprehensible growling in between
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or
I wonder how much Pappy’s BBQ I can trade for this.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Berkman:
Um, you don’t want to do that Jason.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
clearly Shannon's gift certificates is the way to go!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there better be chocolate inside
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
don't get me wrong - I don't think he could or should hold ill will regarding his last contract...
…he knowingly took years and money up front over the opportunity for increased $ later. But the fact that he was worth vastly more to the Cardinals than what he was paid pretty much sinks the idea that he owes the Cardinals anything.
He signed
a mega deal at the time and outperformed it. That is not the Cardinals fault. Therefore what he owes them is not so much valued in dollars but in history, tradition and legacy. If he is fine with damaging it somewhat then fine. In my opinion, the only team I would understand him going to is the Yankees because they win so many rings and pay large amounts of money for them. If it isn’t about WS rings, then I don’t know what his motivation would be for leaving besides money which, when you have that much, doesn’t seem like it would play as big a role in deciding.
it's easy to say "oh, three million dollars a year over 9 years isn't really that much".
but that’s $27 million. that’s several more care facilities for people with down syndrome. it’s clean drinking water for seven more villages in the dominican.
those are just made up things for the sake of illustrating the fact that just because someone wants more money doesn’t make them a greedy jack-ass. i mean, pujols might take a bigger contract because of greed but that’s not the only reason he could desire more money.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I am definitely of the opinion that the reason that Pujol wants more money
is so that he can help more people. Call me naive, but he just doesn’t seem like a greedy person.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I don't think it's a "greed" thing per se either
but I certainly don’t think purely altruistic considerations are driving his contract demands. I think it’s more likely his competitive spirit and— to an extent—his ego. He wants his contract to reflect his accomplishment of rising to become the best in the game.
/psychology 101
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Nov 29, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nothing wrong with that.
he’s just a man, who’s damn good at baseball.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
hmmmmm i think there's something wrong when ego and competition drive business
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
business IS ego and competition.
especially athletic games which men play to prove their betterness at said games compared to other men. sports are like modern tribal warfare without the death.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
not really
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 29, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's massive at this point.
THAT’S RIGHT: ALBERT PUJOLS HAS A MASSIVE COCAINE HABIT.
(Laying down the foundation of a new character should Pujols sign with the Cubs.)
"He probably misses his old glasses."
developing
albert pujols is claimed to have a massive cocaine habit. pujols claims his habit is more benign that it may sound.
“i jus’ buy cocaing and pour it down the toilet, mang. that way people don’ hurt thengselves”.
dan lazano was quoted as having said “this town is a pussy waiting to get fucked”, but it’s unclear if that was relevant to this particular revelation about his client.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/pujols-cocaine-scandal
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Nov 29, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 19 recs
My sources confirm it's a habit, not an addiction, so he may just be playing with it.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Chris Farley says HI!
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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think gauging the Cardinals for all they can offer is fine
Going to another club for an extra 20 million seems a bit ridiculous to me, and unless he spent all of that on charity, it would make me think much less of Pujols the person.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
No it's not easy
but, interest alone of 100,000,000 is over triple I make in a year. So I think I’m allowed to bitch about a guy being greedy for 20mil more dollars to hit and catch a baseball. If that is so much more important to him, I get it, but that just means I’m officially not a fan of Pujols.
you only make three million a year(assuming ultra conservative 3% return)?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I think he was talking about savings account interest
which would be in around 0.10% or so. I wouldn’t keep my $100M there, but some people are really risk averse.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Pujols owes the cards nothing.
Team has three WS and four LCS appearances, plus 11 years of the most remarkable baseball most of us have ever seen.
He owes the team nothing.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
Exactly
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. I'm sure Cav fans were/are more upset with LaBron than they are angry at the Heat
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I would be devastated if he goes ANYWHERE else
Unless someone offers him an absolutely insane contract, and by insane I mean 8 plus years at 28-30 million AAV, then I’d understand if he left. But if he signs somewhere else at the levels that are currently being discussed, I would be devastated.
devastating, I don't know
but certainly disappointing and disillusioning. You just don’t see stars play with their teams for a whole career anymore, and I think it would be pretty special for Albert to do that, especially if he accepts a little less money to make it viable.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I won't be devastated.
Confused that he would want to play in Wrigley for half the season on a team that has no realistic shot at winning a ring anytime soon? yes. Disappointed ? yes. Disillusioned? not any more. Nothing that players do anymore really throws me off in regards to money-related decisions.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
confused or disillusioned
since Albert was quoted last year as saying something along the lines of he wouldn’t want to play in Wrigley for half the season. If he then accepted an offer from them, he would be either a) a liar or b) interested only in $’s.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
It's a delayed gratification thing.
First, the Cubs won’t win the WS with AP because THEY ARE THE CUBS. And second, since we all know that the last 2-4 years of AP’s contract will be a huge waste of money, either here or in Chitown, being in the same division we’ll get to watch the damage it does to that team from up close.
So the question is how much short-term anguish you can tolerate while you wait for the day you can ponder the struggles of your enemy with relish.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Upset, not devastated.
But he’ll be pissed when he finds the video room is a cave wall and a Neanderthal with some sticks and clay.
@MattSebek
Matt Sebek
“Paleolithic”: word used by @dgoold, talking to @Miklasz today about the facilities at Wrigley. Just fantastic.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
DG strikes again!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
does anyone ever look at sebek's twitter pic
and think he’s in that twilight movie
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
goold had a pretty lengthy discussion about this on the Bernie show today
that ballpark is archaic, and I hope it stays that way
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think cubs fans might have a big pile of karma
Coming their way for all the “Albert Pujols mows my lawn” t-shirts sported in the Wrigley bleachers.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 29, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This
I would be really angry for a week, mostly because my Twitter, text, and Facebook feeds would be full of Cubs fans howling at the moon about it.
Then we’d take the $25M, spread it out over a number of improvements, start Allen Craig in RF for a full season and I’d probably be ok with it after that. Hell, maybe Matt Adams comes up in 2013 and reminds us of early Mo Vaughn for 5 years.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I could deal with some early Mo Vaughn in that scenario.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Recall that Vaughn's last years featured him lugging around a grand-piano gut under his tightly stretched jersey
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
That's why I said early.
I sure don’t want later.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's why the emphasis was on "early":
Mo Vaughn (Age 25-30): .315/.405/.569/.974
Yes. Please.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Only two things would make me angry
1. His new team wins a WS with him before we win one without him
2. He starts setting all-time records
Otherwise, I think I could move on.
by Cheeseballs on Nov 29, 2011 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes it took a while to read the article
this is clearly backfiring, DanUp
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So does this mean that all of Matt Holliday's weird injuries from this year
are psychosomatic because he subconsciously believes he can’t live up to the value of his contract?
of course
he only thought he had a moth in his ear
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
There was no appendix
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
because it was removed
APPENDECTOMIES FOR EVERYONE
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So what do we want...
a top 50 draft pick or Octavio Dotel at $3 million? Keep in mind picks are now more important with the new caps on draft spending (right?)…
Sign Roy O
draft pick for sure.
dotel is old. he was awesome for us, but he’s not worth $3mm. especially when we have plenty of RHP that can match or nearly match his production for 1/6 of the price.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Even if he could throw with his left arm
he’d still be too expensive at 3M. As a righty his skill set is pretty well covered by Motte, Lynn, Sanchez, Salas, Boggs. Much rather have the draft pick.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 29, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
dotel did a good job picking up that squirrel in Philly
but he can’t ride that for the rest of his career
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
pick for shizzle
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Draft pick.
And we keep the squirrel.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
have we washed the Philly cooties from it yet?
oh wait… that was the champagne wash.
has the phan who tossed it ever admitted it, I wonder
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
gaming this out briefly
expected surplus value from a supplemental round pick is something like $3m, yeah? So Dotel would have to be worth basically 1 WAR more than whoever the young gun who replaces him is for this to provide equivalent surplus value, which just isn’t going to happen.
I wonder how the new system of draft slotting will affect valuations of supplemental picks, if at all.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Either
I don’t really have an opinion one way or another. I don’t think we need Dotel next year at that price, but, then again, it’s not a terrible thing to have a rubber armed ROOGY in your pen either.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Dotel has been very durable throughout his career.
If you sign him, don’t you then trade McClellan or Boggs?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't know that McClellan has any trade value.
You might get a B prospect in return from a team that is desperate for a back-end starter, but the fact that he’s entering arbitration will make it tougher to move him. If you sign Dotel, K-Mac is a non-tender candidate, I would think.
There’s absolutely no situation in which I trade Mitchell Boggs. Sanchez has options and shoulder problems, and Boggs has really, really good stuff and has pitched pretty well out of the bullpen. If they just made him a bullpen pitcher (which it seems like is a must with all the pitching in the farm system at this point) I think he could be an above average middle relief guy. I don’t think the shuffling him back and forth to the rotation and bullpen has really done him any favors.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Agreed on Boggs, so long as it's acknowledged that he's a bullpen guy.
Cost-controlled reliever with more upside than downside, unless there’s real value coming back I don’t think that’s a guy you trade away.
McClellan, OTOH, they can go ahead and outright. It’s been fun, Kyle, and I hope you have a nice, long career.
With TLR elsehwere, it's probably a given the Boggs is in the bullpen.
His starter and DH days are gone. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
can I just say, in a late thanksgiving thought
i am thankful for the Berk
for his disarming folksiness
and for letting us get a World Series flag after he won it in August
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and his occasional rakishness too
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Obviously Sabean has some great leadership qualities we don't know about
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't surprising.
The Giants won the World Series in 2011.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
heh
The Giants won the World Series in 2010.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
#11in11
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'm still shocked that meme didn't jinx us all to hell
or maybe it did… given the bullpen phone.
it is possible, though, in the world of superstition, that Nolan Ryan simply jinxed his team worse
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I always thought that this meant 11 games in 2011
Like, you need to win 3+4+4=11 postseason games to be the World Champion. So, #12in12 made no sense to me at all.
by hr on Nov 29, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
it did
the hashtag had a double meaning. 11 wins to win the 11th championship in 2011.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
does the extra wild card start next year?
If so we may need to 1+3+4+4 = 12
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Nov 29, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, I was thinking about this when the news about the extra wild card came out
that would have been very interesting
by hr on Nov 29, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
if 2 teams are tied
for the second wildcard, would there be 2 separate 1 game playoffs? ’13 in ’13!
Because Matheny
but that last game is not a postseason game, is it?
by hr on Nov 29, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm alive and the Cardinals are working on their 176th WS in 2176
I’m definitely going to steal this. Just giving you a heads up.
by Chief Bartle on Nov 29, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
numbers are scary and difficult
don’t knock bgh
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
They really like his drafting?
Posey, Bumgarner, Belt, Lincecum, Brown, and Wheeler in the last 5 years?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
oh i plum forgot. repost.
from the AP
St. Louis Cardinals $323,170
Texas Rangers $251,516
Milwaukee Brewers $133,511
Detroit Tigers $126,902
Tampa Bay Rays $ 30,758
Philadelphia Phillies $ 30,401
Arizona Diamondbacks $ 26,675
New York Yankees $ 26,239
Atlanta Braves $ 11,089
Los Angeles Angels $ 10,862
San Francisco Giants $ 10,690
Cleveland Indians $ 10,366
St. Louis awarded 51 full shares, 11.962 partial shares and eight cash awards.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'd still love some guesses at the partial shares
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Just the Top 10 in revenue sharing, I'd guess
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It would be very funny if it were for the extra innings they played against Philly in Game No. 162,
even though I know it isn’t.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
AP says
or second-place teams that failed to make the postseason
apparently they get a cut too.
The players’ pool was $57.3 millionintriguingly, the part of that from the gate is only from the first 3 games of each division series, and the first 4 games of the next rounds.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what in sbn's name
that’s For, not ‘or’
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How do Atlanta, LAA, SF, and Cleveland get shares?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Wait
the Angels get a share for trading Napoli to Texas…
/jok
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
What Y2S quoted above
it’s always been this way. Back in the day, you know, when there were just the two leagues, no playoffs, etc., the top three (or maybe four) teams in each league got a cut, iirc. I definitely remember broadcasters mentioning things along this line that, to an extent, kept some late season games “meaningful” as post-season shares might depend on finishing fourth instead of fifth.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 29, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
So if they had 46 guys appear for them in a game at some point in the season
how do they get 51 shares plus almost 12 partial shares and 8 cash awards?
injured guys like Wainwright? Are any coaches included? this is just players, right?
that is the mystery!
i say we just start naming off random contributors.
like RasmusGirl.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Coaches, clubhouse staff, VEB commenters.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Fredbird, Ernie Hays
damn, ernie retired. Anyone know the new organist?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Rui's mom.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Nov 29, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Augenstein for me
I’ll probably remember the Craig as the 7th man in the infield play(Play went 7-2-5 for the put out and the ball never left the infield), but I’ll probably forget the pitcher.
by DisplacedCardsFan on Nov 29, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions
The Dodgers are Talking to Adam Kennedy .234/.277/.365 to back up their IF of
1B Loney .288/.339/.416- helped by a .412/.429/.735 over nine games at Coors
2B Ellis .248/.288/.346
3B Uribe .205/.264/.293
SS Brown .304/.325/.362 125 ABs most of those numbers coming from a .404/.451/.489 line in the final 2 weeks of the season
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
So he'll hit cleanup?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Also, Dee Gordon?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Nope they signed the 1990's Point Guard
Damnit I always mess that up
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
How could you leave out Aaron Miles?
Or, is he not under contract next season?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i guess dodger stadium will have to start setting off fireworks everytime someone gets on base, now?
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 29, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
How can they not be players for Fielder...
I know, the team is for sale… Fielder would be perfect though.
Sign Roy O
I'd assume the Kemp extension is a reason.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Their fans however...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 29, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So the former Illini guard is now playing for the Dodgers at SS?
I think you meant Dee Gordon, and I think it’s possible that he’s the best offensive player on that infield next year. Which isn’t saying much.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I was actually thinking Dee Snider
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
MLB TR says Kennedy would replace Miles. Could not have said it better. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
the more interesting pujols news to me is not the "interest" from the cubs, but two items pointedly not mentioning him.
both the mariners and the nats are rumored to be in on the fielder pursuit.
why are teams going public with interest in fielder but leaving pujols out? because he’s perceived to be too rich in terms of years and cash? because he’s seen as a bad risk?
it seems to me that, if pujols doesn’t start getting actual offers soon, he runs the risk of looking like second banana to fielder. whereas, he can declare victory now and sign a nine-year deal with the cards.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
i get the feeling that
each is waiting for the other to sign first, so they know what they have to beat.
Bursting into song.
Fielder seemingly more affordable?
Willing to go fewer years?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I think it's a combination of his asking price...
the likelihood that he’ll stay in St. Louis, his various ouchies, and the questions about his age.
Even Miami and Chicago aren’t really interested in him. I think we have to consider reducing our offer, maybe by asking him to take some deferred money.
Sign Roy O
At the risk of oversimplifying
The perception seems to be that Pujols cares a lot more about winning than Fielder does. Thus, teams without much recent history of winning and without solid prospects of winning in the near future are not on Pujols’ list but are on Fielder’s. Thus the Mariners and Nats are in the Fielder hunt but not the Pujols hunt.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Have the Mariners soured on Justin Smoak that quickly?
If so, can we trade Joe Kelly for him right now?
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Heyman on Pujols
told no truth to internet reports pujols/lozano visiting toronto today. #stlcards look like his best (only?) $200M chance
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
who would go to toronto after hawaii anyway
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and the hookers of toronto sigh a collective sigh of relief, and say, "good news, eh? that lozano guy creeps me out."
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 29, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this Heyman perhaps undercutting the reports of the Cubs' interest?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'm sure that a lot of pundits immediately jumped to the possibility that epstein is just gaming the cards. if epstein actually
puts down a serious, competitive offer, we’ll hear about it.
i’m also wondering how many owners would be okay with their new front office staff’s first act be signing the biggest free agent contract since . . . (off the top of my head) cc sabathia? not that this is epstein’s first rodeo, but you need some trust to be able to consent to that deal.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
Their offer would have to be the biggest since A-Rod
if they are going to top the Cardinals offer in terms of total $$$.
I don’t think there’s any way that this is his first move, and it’s certainly not what Ricketts was outlining in his rebuilding strategy for the last 18 months either. I feel like Ricketts is going to very patiently build the Cubs from the bottom up, and the scariest part of that is that they will be getting competitive right about the same time as our elite Cardinals hitters start to look really old.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
That's the problem for the Cubs.
Pujols doesn’t help them win in the near term. In the mid-to-long term, he hurts their efforts to win. It would be a bad decision for the Cubs to sign him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
therefore Pujols will get a crazy huge offer the Cubs
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Theo is going to do in Chicago
what he did in Boston. He is going to drive the price up for the Cards just like he did to the Yankees. I don’t doubt for one minute that he is going to offer more than what the Cards have on the table right now. The Cards are enemy #1 for Theo now and it is his job to stick it to his rival. The Cubs have the money to pay Albert what he wants. It’s going to be up to DeWitt/Mo if they are willing to keep Albert from going to Chicago.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
As I said above, I hope the Cardinals don't overspend to keep Pujols from going to Chicago.
If Chicago gives him 9 years at $225 million, I’ll be okay with him leaving. That would be a foolish signing by the Cubs. Heck, 9 years at $200 million is a foolish signing for the Cardinals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Mo seems pretty rational to me
All of his moves, even if I haven’t agreed with them, were rooted in some sort of rationality. Well, either that or TLR, but those were generally obvious
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I greatly dislike the Lohse contract.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well, yeah
But who knew what Waino would turn into, and Carp was injured, and Pineiro had been terrible. The contract actually would’ve been okay if he didn’t have these weird injuries. They don’t all work out, you just have to make rational decisions
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
The Lohse contract doesn't really bother me as it's the only contracts of ours that is bad
if it was a reoccurring theme of bad contracts omar minaya style i’d bring up the lohse contract. it’s just so difficult to predict injury and regression. sometimes the dealer hits 21
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
wow, not sure if that makes sense
point is the lohse contract is more misfortune that bad decision making
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 29, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
If Matt Holliday continues to have minor injuries that affect his performance significantly
as he did this season, that contract could become pretty bad towards the end as well. It’s not like Holliday has buckets of HR power to fall back on if he can’t hit for average anymore.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Yeah, he's kind of weird in that he's a high average hitter that has good, but not great home run power
It’s one of the reasons I think it’s weird for people to expect his hitting to age better than Pujols.
Yeah, that was really bad
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Cubs obviously aren't contending in 2012 and probably not 2013 with or without Pujols...
That’s why the signing doesn’t make any sense…
Sign Roy O
I agree
but the Cubs have a bigger budget to make a foolish signing. And they can still sign guys to put around Albert going forward. Theo knows how to spend money and he should have plenty to play with. Albert would not hamstring the Cubs as much.
To me I would be more upset with Albert since he always talked about winning means more to him than the money. Signing with the Cubs would be a slap in the face to the Cardinals and would be the opposite of what he has been proclaiming for the last couple of years. But they do have the $$ to try to make a run….but they are the Cubs lol.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
To say they
CAN afford a foolish signing is not to say that the new ownership WANTS to do that. If I’m a rational new owner of the Cubs right now, the last thing I want is a reckless expenditure. Better to build from the ground up and then when they are close they can sign Colby Rasmus to baseball’s first $300M contract that will put them over the top.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 29, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Can they afford it? They made 2 foolish signings that undermined their ability to compete in the last 4 seasons: Soriano and Zambrano. They made foolish trades that bankrupted their entire farm system.
Money isn’t everything. If you make a number of bad decisions involving players, no amount of money can help you climb out of that hole. In this day and age, if you can’t produce productive talent from the farm system or you have a number of bad contracts to unproductive players on your major league roster, you’re going to have a tough time winning games regardless of the amount of money you throw at the problem.
The biggest issue of all, to me, is knowing where you are as a franchise. The Mariners spent $130M a few years ago thinking they were on the cusp of competing, only to lose 100 games and dismantle the entire club at the trading deadline and in the offseason. Luckily, few of the contracts they signed were long term, so the turnaround was relatively smooth as they were able to deal a lot of those pieces and get assets in return.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
we'll see - chicago does not seem to have a patient fan base.
i do think the next month ends up being a big test of mozeliak. most other GMs seem convinced that albert is staying in st. louis. they’ll be watching to see if mozeliak keeps his cool or freaks out and offers too much. i think he has a chance of really altering his perception around the league if he sticks to his guns and signs albert at a reasonable number.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
just because theyve waited a long time
doenst mean theyre patient about it
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dual news post:
Lozano in Toronto per Buster & Heyman.
IHeartIHeartBoog
gibby45 is one of the less creepy people on this blog. - IHeartBoog
this can mean only one thing
Colby Rasmus is too lazy to solicit his own prostitutes, and has secured representation to perform this task on his behalf.
by Robth on Nov 29, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
He does have a new ring
and a partial share to invest in “entertainment”
IHeartIHeartBoog
gibby45 is one of the less creepy people on this blog. - IHeartBoog
wth...
3 hours and still not green?
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 29, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
#lazyveb
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
by IHeartBoog on Nov 29, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Is anyone else worried that
When Waino comes back next year, he might not be the Wainwright we all expect him to be? Or am i just overly concerned?
Bursting into song.
there is always a chance but if you have to lose a pitcher to injury
TJ is the one you want the success rates have been amazing
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
like instead of being Adam Wainwright, he uses an alter ego?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Senor Adrian Wainwrighto.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 29, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That would certainly not be the Wainwright we espect him to be
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Great
Now we’re going to expect them.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 29, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
well played robot,
well played.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!
by The Spanish Inquisition on Nov 29, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Waino will be fine
My shersey is banking on it!
IHeartIHeartBoog
gibby45 is one of the less creepy people on this blog. - IHeartBoog
You are right
I’m expecting 5WAR maybe 6WAR, but what if he is 9WAR?!?!? That would definitely be unexpected.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
9 WAR is always unexpected.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!
by The Spanish Inquisition on Nov 29, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
what do you expect him to be?
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 29, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
honestly, if he pitches a full season, i will be SHOCKED if he isn't at least 3 WAR
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
of course he won't.
he reported that some of his pitches were better.
for real. don’t all use the towels at once.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well this is awkward
U.S. Adds 4 Million Jobs But In St. Louis
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 29, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hey
Posting constant onion links everywhere is my thing
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
ouch.
Though this much-needed job growth would bring our unemployment rate down to a far more manageable six and a half percent, at the end of the day, it’s St. Louis, so…
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
It's also about ten times the population of St Louis
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
no offense to the onion, but it would make a lot more sense to use cleveland for this joke.
Don't say hi to me.
None taken.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
TO LATE! THE ONION IS OFFENDED!
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 29, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no offense but
hi.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
by IHeartBoog on Nov 29, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no offense chalk,
but every time I see your posts I think you are clank
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
you mean that they're not?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever seen clank and chalk outside your window at the same time?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
clank's been outside my window?
he deserves whatever eye ailments he gets then.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
well he has to test the night vision goggles somehow
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
do not picture veb picturing veb
> tebow
by cschepers on Nov 29, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but are you a werewolf
Bursting into song
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 29, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aranathor= Twilight the Musical
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
That I would put you in the same line with
Twilight or Musicals?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I do apologize.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
He so runs about town
singing this.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I prefer the movie version of that song.
The guy playing Alfie just has a better Cockney sound. But I could picture him walking the streets of London singing this.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Probably Pokemon the Musical
at the risk of starting another pokemon thread
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's
And his hair was perfect
Aaoooooooooooooooo!
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Werewolves of London
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
i got my werewolves in london
and they’re going companions
HUH
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
That is actually one of my favorite songs.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
it pisses me off
everytime that Kid Rock abomination comes on a radio that I dont have the power to change
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I fully agree.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Does the other side of the 45 have "Roland the headless Thompson Gunner"?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Patty Hearst
heard the burst
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 29, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
that would certainly incite panic
on the streets of london
if they spread to birmingham, it would possibly cause further panic there to.
Bursting into song.
Would they fit in with Liverpool?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
panic on the streets of carlisle? dublin, dundee, humberside?
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
Shit, was this not clank?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
hahahhaha BRIT!!! where's your god now?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Face it, your country exists as a television AAA team
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Places to live that are worse than St. Louis:
Anywhere near the Mexican border except Tucson and San Diego
Nebraska except Omaha
Detroit and Cleveland
East St. Louis
Sign Roy O
well i'm a starfish so fuck you
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Nov 29, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
The Atlantic has lower crime rates
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
dude, have you read about how violent dolphins are?
there is no way in hell I’m moving to any neighborhood with dolphins in it.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
f'in politicians
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
i still find this hard to believe
Decatur is a lot worse than Springfield is
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Decatur smells or used to smell like soy beans
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
still does
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
if the wind is blowing the right direction
you can smell Decatur 50 miles away
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
See it too.
/AEStaleyduststorm
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I used to hate going there .... now I don't got here anymore
But in the late 70’s when I did go to Decatur they did have a great old Steak and Shake that I went to with my Dad
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
dont forget the "original" Burger King in Mattoon
DRIVE UP 59!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
omaha is a nice town.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 29, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
tucson is worse than st louis
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
i used to live in tucson. there is a big difference.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
phoenix has freeway systems, professional sports teams, and legitimate softball fields
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Altoona used to have a professional baseball team.
It is what it is.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
do you live in tucson or something? how can you legitimately defend that place
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
i guess it depends on where you lived and what you were doing.
but in any event, st louis is better.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Just the weather makes Tucson better....
And I won’t bring up UA sorority girls…but St. L does not match the talent in Tucson (much less Phoenix).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 29, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
not much culture? bitch, they're making jobs in RURAL NORTH DAKOTA working the oil fields.
st. louis looks like the second floor of the Louvre in comparison.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
that's kinda what I thought.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Chicago Sun Times Sports Editor tweets
ChrisDeLuca Chris De Luca
#Cubs fans excited about the Pujols rumors, forget about it. He is simply not on their radar, no matter what his agent says.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
sounds like his agent
puts on sunglasses
is coming up empty
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Nov 29, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
O( O
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
┌∩┐
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 29, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
John Bobbit?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
there's something wrong with your....
eh, never mind
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This made me think of Mr. Saturn
Is that weird? That’s probably weird. I never even got that far in Earthbound. I blame DanUp (oh, and Super Smash Bros.).
SBNation is one of the only sites where I find the comments section to actually enhance the experience
Any others?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
reddit (went for the articles, stayed because of the comments)
slashdot (even though most of the time it’s over my head and extremely poorly formatted)
that’s all i can think of off the top of my head. SBN is, however, far and away above any other commenting system i have come across online.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Completely agree about the SBN comment system.
If only because of the unread highlights and The Z.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I have know idea why all sites don't adopt this capability
I’ve gone to other sites for articles and read comments and you can’t tell who’s comment to whom, unless there are only two folks commenting at a time
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
TNC's site at The Atlantic.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Insidethebook, BBTF, AV Club
SBNation definitely has the best system though.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Good call on the AV club
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 29, 2011 10:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the saint louis post dispatch
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 29, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
only if you're a masochist
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sure am glad the regional site went to facebook comments!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 29, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, it keeps most of the riff-raff from ever commenting.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Rec'd
/wait.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
If that happens here,
my commenting will end.
How does that even work?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Corporate synergy thought outside of the box and created a whole new paradigm.
Shoot me.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
You left out "to"
As in, to shoot me.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Dun dun dundun
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
by hazel on Nov 30, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you still feel that way after four hours, consult a physician
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
filmdrunk.com
the comments there consistently crack me up. Best of all, there’s a weekly “comments of the week” post so you can just check that once a week and get all the hilarious comments in one place.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Good morning VEB..
On an off beat note, the Samsung Lions beat the Softball Bank Hawks 5-3 to win the Asian Series.
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 29, 2011 5:26 PM EST reply actions
Man thanks for the correction, I really goofed that one up, but I had to laugh out loud when you bought my attention to that..
Softbank Hawks lost to the Samsung Lions 3-5..
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 29, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I laughed the fist time, cuz I thought you did it on purpose.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
typos are fun
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. First time for a non NPB team.
Well done, KBO!
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and most excellent to, I was pretty amazed, I've heard from my Korean co-worker, that next year they will play the
Asian Series in Seoul, Korea, Jamsil Statdium, has a capacity of 27,500.
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby Valentine to bring his clever disguises to Boston.
@LynchieWCVB Mike Lynch
Red Sox and Bobby Valentine have reached a verbal agreement for him to be the next Sox manager.
@GordonEdes Gordon Edes
Bobby Valentine will become 45th manager of the Red Sox, according to sources. He is expected here midafternoon Wednesday.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions
He will not be on FESPN now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
HA.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
Dumb assess!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
so baseball tonight just got a little smarter?
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Nov 29, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
for context
In evaluating the Beltran to the Giants move, Valentine—in his ESPN Sunday Night commentary—gave it an enthusiastic thumbs down, explaining “I don’t think Beltran will be a force in that lineup, he’s one guy and that’s a lineup built around magic.”
The Sox sure are lucky to have that kind of baseball genius pulling the strings around Fenway.
Not that it really matters, Valentine’s obtuseness speaks for itself, but Beltran OPS’d .920 for the Giants.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
he could have been making a valid point
that the Giants lineup is SO terrible that the only way they score runs is magic and thus the addition of Beltran will make no real difference.
But if he was, it was a really fucking stupid way of saying it.
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wow
I mean, on one level I’m not surprised. But still, wow.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
He did call Castro out on nationally televised
Game about Castro not being set when the pitcher pitched.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 29, 2011 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He did call Castro out on nationally televised
Game about Castro not being set when the pitcher pitched.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 29, 2011 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lolsauce
idiots
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
HA HA HA HA
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaha
Hahahahahahahaha
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2011 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Giggle.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
haha
good, I can’t stand the red sox
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
ugh...
3 for 9 on the MLBTR prediction contest and the only 3 I got right are Aaron Hill (re-sign), Bruce Chen (re-sign), and Freddy Garcia (re-sign). I’m tied with Tim Dierkes….I refuse to let him beat me.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 29, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions
Now that we're well into off-topic time:
Stanislaw Lem Google doodle, if you missed it the first time around.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 7:57 PM EST reply actions
Taaaake ooooon meeeeeee
(take on me)
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
So I took her to my crib, and everything went as planned
but when she got undressed, it was a big ol’ mess, Sheena was a man.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Mickey, what a pity, you don't understand.
You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Josie's on a vacation far away.........
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Nov 29, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you need a friend
don’t look to a stranger….
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
the indians send signals from the rocks above the pass
the cowboys take positions in the bushes and the grass
Bursting into song.
They stab it with their steely knives, But they just can't kill the beast ... You can check-out any time you like... but you can never leave
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
i never thought i'd miss you half as much as i do
and i never thought i’d feel this way
the way i feel
about you
Bursting into song.
Slipped me notes under the desk
While I was thinkin’ about her dress
I was shy I turned away
Before she caught my eye
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
there is a house in New Orleans
they call the rising sun
and it been the ruin, of many a poor boy
and god, i know, i’m one.
Bursting into song.
The problem's plain to see,
Too much technology,
Machines to save our lives,
Machines de-humanize,
"There are three things the average man thinks he can do better than anybody else: build a fire, run a hotel and manage a baseball team."- Rocky Bridges
by That's a Winner on Nov 29, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Turn on my V.C.R.
Same one I’ve had for years
James Brown on the T. A. M. I. show
Same tape I’ve had for years
I sit in my old car
Same one I’ve had for years
Old battery’s running down
It ran for years and years
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Last Christmas, I gave you my heart But the very next day, you gave it away
This year to save me from tears I’ll give it to someone special
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Say, we can act if we want to
If we don’t nobody will
And you can act real rude and totally remove
And I can act like an imbecile
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Her name is Rio and she dances on the sand
just like that river twisting through the dusty land
Bursting into song.
There was not much more for us to talk about,
Whatever we had once was gone.
So I turned my cab into the driveway,
Past the gate and the fine trimmed lawns.
And she said we must get together,
But I knew it’d never be arranged.
And she handed me twenty dollars,
For a two fifty fare, she said
“Harry, keep the change.”
Well another man might have been angry,
And another man might have been hurt,
But another man never would have let her go…
I stashed the bill in my shirt
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Knee deep in the hoopla, sinking in your fight
too many runaways eating up the night.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground
Oh, I’ve seen fire and I’ve seen rain
I’ve seen sunny days that I thought would never end
I’ve seen lonely times when I could not find a friend
But I always thought that I’d see you, baby, one more time again, now
Thought I’d see you one more time again
There’s just a few things coming my way this time around, now
Thought I’d see you, thought I’d see you fire and rain, now
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Golden brown texture like sun
Lays me down with my mind she runs
Throughout the night
No need to fight
Never a frown with golden brown
Bursting into song.
It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, won’t see another one
And then he sang a song
The Rare Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
The only time i feel alright is by your side!
Girl. I want to be with you all day and all of the night!
(1988 Stranglers cover)
Bursting into song.
Though I know I'll never lose affection
For people and things that went before
I know I’ll often stop and think about them
In my life, I’ll love you more
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet dreams are made of these
who am i to disagree?
i travel the world and the seven seas
everybody’s looking for something
Bursting into song.
Well baby, there you stand
With your little head, down in your hand
Oh, my God, you can’t believe it’s happening again
Your baby’s gone, and you’re all alone
and it looks like the end.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tryin' to lose the awkward teenage blues
Working on our night moves
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 29, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
First thing I remember was askin' papa, "Why?",
For there were many things I didn’t know.
And Daddy always smiled; took me by the hand,
Sayin’, “Someday you’ll understand.”
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Take these broken wings
Learn to fly again
learn to live so free
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Steve walks warily down the street,
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain’t no sound but the sound of his feet,
Machine guns ready to go
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty
Except for the memory
Of how they were answered by you
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
You ever hear the story of Mr Faded Glory?
Say he who rides a pony must some day fall
I’ve been talkin’ to my alter, says “Life is what you make it
And if you make it death well rest your soul away, away, away”
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Put me in, Coach – I’m ready to play today;
Look at me, I can be Centerfield.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
now five years later on
You’ve got the world at your feet
Success has been so easy for you
But don’t forget it’s me who put you where you are now
And I can put you back down too
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
FLASH
AAAAAAAAHHHH
Saviour of the universe
FLASH
AAAAAAAHHHHH
He’ll save everyone of us
Bursting into song.
the children are our future
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
well,
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
That's just Sweet Dreams again
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
dammit, I thought i had things checked off.
Frankie says relax
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
No worries I came in late and missed the deal about the 80's
I was just doing lyrics I liked. But most people except TC probably didn’t know that
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
its been a long day man
and I hate the fuckin Eagles!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
All the world's indeed a stage
And we are merely players
Performers and portrayers
Each another’s audience
Outside the gilded cage.
"There are three things the average man thinks he can do better than anybody else: build a fire, run a hotel and manage a baseball team."- Rocky Bridges
by That's a Winner on Nov 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know why fortune smiles on some
and lets the rest go free
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 29, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Billie Jean is not my lover
she’s just a girl who said I am the one.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
but the chair is not my son
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think twice
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Cat Stevens
70’s?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oops, nope
Jim Croce.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
CCR 60's
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
C'mon I-M
your songs are much older than 80’s. This is a Beatles tune, goddammit!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Musial-ly went off the rails a bit.
But we still think he’s OK.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 30, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Most of the time
she ain’t even in my mind
I wouldn’t know her if I saw her
She’s that far behind
Most of the time I can’t even be sure
If she was ever with me
Or if I was ever with her.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Thank ya kindly TC, Thank ya kindly
I’ll just enjoy the rocking chair
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 30, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
that's 1970
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
apparently the lyrical stylings of Toni Basil
are too racy and provocative for my country
Bursting into song.
take me ooooooon
I’llll beeee gooooooooooone
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t just sit there, BUST A MOVE
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Play this record as frequently as possible
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
One man one man,
One bar one night,
One day hey hey,
Just gimme gimme gimme
Fried chicken.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
ha, i used to have this album
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we are, born to be kings, we’re the princes of the universe!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Cool it now
You got to cool it now
Oooh, watch out.
You’re gonna lose control
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I always feel like somebody’s watching meeeeee.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
clank!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
...
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’m the leader of the show, keepin’ you on the go
But I know I can’t live without my radio
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Taxing little girlies from here to L.A.
Waking up before I get to sleep
Cause I’ll be rocking this party eight days a week
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
The sun had just risen on a dusty path
Just then a figure had caught my eye
A man with a sombrero who was four feet high
I pulled over to ask were we was at
His index finger he tipped up his hat
“El Segundo,” he said, “my name is Pedro
If you need directions, I’ll tell you pronto”
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Dang, that's actually 1990.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Hair band alert!
Jack Flash, rocket man, Sergeant Pepper and the band
Ziggy, Benny and the Jets, take a rocket
We just gotta fly
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Great song.
Hysteria is a great album! Saw Def Leppard this past summer and I got to meet Joe Elliott the lead singer. Great show!
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Oh, shit, that's Flea on the bass?
Never knew that.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Neither did I.
But indeed it is.
Nice.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It's tricky to rock around
to rock around, It’s trickayyyyy
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Makes you wonder how the other half lives
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
And now it’s cold outside =, and the rain is pouring down
And the leaves are turning brown
Can’t you see
That now it’s cold outside (it’s cold outside), and it’s all because of you
‘Cause there’s nothing I can do to make you love me
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
ain't no blue sky when she's gone
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
There comes a time...
when there seems no hope at all,
when the world must come together as one`
There are people dying,
and it’s time to lend a hand to life,
the greatest gift of all…
Cards fan in Middle East
Now, the mist across the window hides the lines
But nothing hides the color of the lights that shine
Electricity so fine
Look and dry your eyes
We, so tired of all the darkness in our lives
With no more angry words to say
Can come alive
Get into a car and drive to the other side
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I don't know those lyrics.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
An interesting tidbit on Bobby Valentine
In time the ideas started to gain support among a few insiders. Bobby Valentine, young for a manager at thirty-five, was a self-described James disciple. He worked with Craig Wright, a sabermetrician and friend of Bill’s, while managing the Texas Rangers. Valentine says, “Bill’s influence has been profound.”
The Mind of Bill James: How a Complete Outsider Changed Baseball by Scott Gray
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What's the deal with the guy?
I didn’t follow him in NY and I never listened to his broadcasts. Is he old school?
Sign Roy O
I am very unfamiliar with him myself.
I came across this, though, and I found it fascinating. Everything you hear about him is how dumb he is during SNB broadcasts. Maybe it’s all a charade or something. I don’t know.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
There's a Happy Flight app?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Go PJ
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
They ain't serious, just trying to bid the Cards up and hurt them
Mo has been to this dance before
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
So what's new
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Jamie Quirk to be Cubs bench coach.
That count? He’s a former Card.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
But how do you feel about disposable 80s pop?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
We're just randomly throwing out 80s lyrics up above
probably due to lack-of-news.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Best power pop band of the 80's and 70's and 90's.....
and the most underated band of all time, ladies and gentlemen….CheapTrick! :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-SKtFrvi4M
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Is there an ex-Cub curse on coaches and managers?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
name a manager thats had any success after managing the cubs...
i’m drawing a blank
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
We're looking at you Baker
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
he at least made a playoff appearance
but got no hit and swept, lol
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
or for that matter (in the last 50 years) who had success WHILE managing the Cubs
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
i'm gonna say 4
Cox and Wong sneak in through the back door
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 17 recs
rec'd
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Over.
Miller, Martinez, Taveras, Jenkins, Wong, Lynn (if he is still eligible for their list).
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 30, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Adams is borderline as well
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Heh....Berkman is roasting Larry Dierker via tape..
@alysonfooter
Alyson Footer
Playing a video tribute from Berkman. Stops inexplicably in the middle. Now replaying. Puma attempting to roast Dirk. #uncomfortable
@alysonfooter
Alyson Footer
Vandermeer: “Watching Lance Berkman win a World Series is like watching your ex-wife win the lottery.”
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
"Watching Lance Berkman win a World Series is like watching your ex-wife win the lottery."
After leaving you and marrying your high school rival who was also the cooleset guy in school. Double burn!!
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Nov 29, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not only the coolest guy in school
But the nicest and the second most successful, but he is better liked because he is not such a douche and it really hurts because you know that she ended up with someone better than you.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
how could you be mad at that smile
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ok, best concert you've been to?
8/23/09, Pearl Jam at the United Center
covers of The Who’s “The Real Me” “Love Reign O’er Me” and “Baba O’Riley”
and Neil Young’s “Needle and the Damage Done”
plus a really good setlist with a few PJ rarities
8/2/11, My Morning Jacket at the Pageant is a close second
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions
i like this. gonna give a top 5, can't pick 1.
3/19/11, Godspeed You! Black Emperor at the Trocadero in Philly
4/08/08, Crystal Castles
6/16/07, Flaming Lips, Bonnaroo 2007
8/02/08, Rage against the Machine, Lollapalooza 2008
and pretty sure this is #1
8/18/07, The National, South Street Seaport in New York
fucking ridiculous. this is before they blew up but the buzz was just starting. free concert, it was raining pretty damn hard yet a ridiculous number of people showed up, they killed absolutely everything they played and then played the best About Today i’ve ever heard.
by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Toss up between
The Rolling Stones at TWA Dome in 1997 or Guns N Roses/Metallica at Arrowhead Stadium 1992.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Jul 2, 2007- Diana Krall and Chris Botti at the Fox
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Once saw: Gene Harris, BB King, Ray Charles and Kenny Burrell in Seoul.
Cost $15 and included a bottle of Chivas and a carton of Parliament butts. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Wow, nice.
I got to see BB King at his place on Beale St in Memphis. Was free, but I had to watch from the sidewalk through the window.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
White Stripes at the Hollywood Bowl, 2003 (I think)
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
i saw the white stripes at the pageant a million years ago
and it was kind of awful. jack white had all sorts of guitar problems, so he’d get pissed off in the middle of the song, put down his guitar, finish the song on the keyboard and then leave the stage for 15 minutes while the roadies scrambled to fix everything.
but the opening act included a puppet show, so there’s that.
arkon/family at the creepy crawl in st louis
by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
i saw them again in austin and it was underwhelming
different band since ryan left
by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm...
Bad Religion with less than Jake in San Diego 01
Social Distortion in San Diego 02
Pointfest 5
Ozzfest 98
Rammstien with God Head at the Pagent in 01
Metal Mayhem was cool in 2010, because we got to hang out back stage, and was introduced to Jonathon Davis. I did my best not to turn into a screaming little teenage girl.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I've seen Bob Dylan, my musical idol, twice
It sucked both times!
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
i've seen Bob Dylan too, and he also sucked!
Elvis Costello and Amos Lee opened though and were really good.
by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
i heard parts of his Christmas album for the first time last wednesday
wow…………….
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Never cared a whole lot about Dylan
but I really like Modern Times.
I don’t really want to think too hard about what a Dylan Christmas album would be like.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't listened to the Christmas album
but he actually is still putting out fantastic studio albums. Modern Times, for example, was great. But he’s just too far past his prime to put on a good live show, unfortunately. He just kind of errantly wanders around the stage, mumbles something incoherent, then hammers away absent-mindedly on a keyboard.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
This
I thought his life show was decent, but a big part was getting to see Dylan live
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Saw him in 2001, he was great.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Mine
Nickel Creek- the orpheum, Memphis…2003
Black Crowes- musicfest, Memphis…. 2001?
Page and plant- pyramid, Memphis…. 1998?
Clem Snide…exit/in, Nashville….2003
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2011 11:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm really jealous that you got to see Nickel Creek.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
i've seen them 4 times
including their final show together
actually that should be on the list
Nickel Creek- The Ryman, Nashville…2008?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 30, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
that show was awesome
because they had all kinds of guests come on stage…bella fleck, glenn phillips, gillian welch, Tim o’brien
yea that may be my favorite ever
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
you're pissing me off now.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
not the orpheum
it was the new daisy for the nickel creek show
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
bon jovi
riverport amphitheater…1996 i believe.
that’s pretty lame. i need to get to more concerts.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
indeed, thats not even bon jovi in their prime
if they ever had a prime…zing!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
i have only been to a handful of concerts
the first one was boyz II men, tlc, and montel jordan in 1995 at riverport.
montel jordan sang “this is how we do it” twice.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I saw Bon Jovi on the "New Jersey Tour" in 1989
One of the first concerts I went to . My girlfriend at the time won tickets from a contest on the radio. It was a fun night in many ways.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Worst concert
Mudvayne and Rob zombie opening for Ozzie Osbourne, pyramid….2006
Mudvayne was just weird. Ron zombie was more interested in promoting one of his horror movies. He walked off after 35 minutes because we weren’t excited enough. Ozzie was just old.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2011 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Either
Foo Fighters 7/20/2008 at the Scottrade
Bob Dylan 07/2009 at Grizzlie’s Stadium or
Them Crooked Vultures 05/2010 in Chicago
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
oh man i hope TCV tours again
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm
8/3/2001 Tool, King Crimson
11/13/1996 Johnny Cash and Don Williams
9/14/2003 Flogging Molly, G-Love and Special Sauce the day after Johnny Cash died
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
man, i would have killed to see that Tool & King Crimson show.
by tehzachatak on Nov 30, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was at Red Rocks arguably the greatest place on earth to see a concert
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Lynyrd Skynyrd, Frankfurt am Main, Germany 10/22/75.
Everyone was totally geared for the grand finale of Freebird..
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 30, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
8/5/79, Joni Mitchell at Red Rocks Ampitheatre
backed by Don Alias, Michael Brecker, Lyle Mays, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius, and The Persuasions.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Followed by
Elvis Costello, 1982 (Talk Talk opened, though. With the song Talk Talk, from the album, Talk Talk.)
The Who, Folsom Field, Boulder, 1982 (opened with Johnny Cougar (ugh) and Jethro Tull (yay!))
The Who, Folsom Field, Boulder, 1989
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
saw the Who at the UC in 06
with Pino Palladino on bass and Zak Starkey on drums, they were decent
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
I would have killed to have watched Joe Jackson, Elvis Costello, The Pogues
Tom Waits, The Ramones, or the Police in the early 80’s. Crazy legs Costello must have been one hell of a show
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Yeah Yeah Yeahs at Lollapalooza
Swell Season at the Pageant
Empire of the Sun – Lolla
Tune-Yards at Off Broadway
Arcade Fire at Lolla
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I haven't been to very many.
Best were Dr. Ralph Stanley at a Bluegrass festival in 02
Great Big Sea at the Pageant in 09.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
top 5
John Michael Montgomery / Little Texas 1994 (I was 14, but I spent my whole $200 paycheck buying beer for me and my friends.)
PointFest 4 – 1995 (Ramones final tour)
Mojo Nixon w/ The Toad Liquors 1998
Hayseed Dixie 2004
BR-549 2005
I have no idea where Mojo Nixon played. I was new to St. Louis at the time. I know that Hayseed Dixie and BR-549 played in the Duck Room at Blueberry Hill.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
If you ain't got Mojo Nixon then your store could use some fixin
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Sadly I have never seen The Dead Milkmen
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Don't remember the dates
I really enjoyed Bela Fleck and the Flecktones at the Pageant, years ago. Maybe 2003 or 2004, I dunno. Maybe I was still in high school, which would have been 2002 or before.
I loved seeing Chuck Berry at the Duck Room at Blueberry Hill. He was pretty impressive for being so old, his family/back up band did well, and it was just a thrill to see him play in person before he dies. The opening act was a really fun soul/funk kind of group but I will never be able to remember their name.
Sammy Hagar at the Riverport Amphitheater (or whatever it was called at the time) in 2002 was fun.
Um, shout out to my first concert for sentimental reasons. I was in fourth grade (I think it was 1993 or 1994) and our babysitters (a really cool couple who were going to Wash-U at the time) took my brother and a friend and me to see the Spin Doctors, Soul Asylum, and The Screaming Trees. Somehow they had seats in the 15th row. I had lots of fun but was so tired I fell asleep during the Spin Doctors. We were all there to see the other bands anyway.
I caught Bela at the Teluride Bluegrass festival several times
the most memorable were 98 where a mostly unheard of Leftover Salmon, and String Cheese incident played some amazing sets, and Johnny Cash played as well, and then in 2000 or 01 Bob Dylan showed up in disguise
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
i am making deliciousness right now.
my whole house smells like a caprese salad
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
its not salad though
its a chicken pesto dish. it just smells amazing
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
chicken pesto is the best
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
looks like good ol' JC Corcoran got himself fired again
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 PM EST reply actions
The story says he was suspended for two weeks, not fired.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
But still a member in good standing
in The League of Asshats.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
good thing he didn't have the smarts to become an astronomer
or we’d have all been wiped out by an asteroid he saw daydreaming while eating his breakfast cereal
I notice that he said it involved the RFT.
Surely RB wouldn’t have been heckling Corcoran, would he?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
#UnexpectedlyMakeThePlayoffsIn12
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
I almost vomited when I saw this, so ofcourse I want to share it with all of you.
Yes, that is a Joe Morgan STL Cardinals jersey. If anyone needs the buy link, let me know.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
thanks a lot
as if I haven’t had a bad enough of a day
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I.... don't understand.
Also, 11.4 fWAR in ’75? HFS®.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah he was really good
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Tell
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 30, 2011 12:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tell me that is the season the won MVP
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 30, 2011 12:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Won twice, '75 and '76.
10.0 fWAR in ’73, 11.4 in ’75, 10.1 in ’76. Goodness.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Morgan was a fucking awesome baseball player
108 fWAR. The guy is listed as five foot seven. In 1976 he his .320/.444/.576, good for a 197 wRC+. Lifetime OBP of .392 (that’s lifetime, mind you) with a career walk rate of 16.5%.
Walks aren't Good!!!!!
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
i thought that was a Nyjer Morgan Cards jersey for a sec
by tehzachatak on Nov 30, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Better Joe than Nyjer.
I think people actually forget how damn good Joe Morgan was as a player.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 30, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
*instead*
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Hell no.
You can all suffer with me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
only 123,000,000,000,000 miles away
somebody get the melange cuz this is going to take some serious space folding.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
VEB is much weirder when you're not here when it's happening
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
This is very true
Trying to parse through late-note VEB stuff the following morning requires a specialized degree.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 30, 2011 12:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'm still working towards it
clank may pass me in credit-hours
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's weird, but I do
I only discovered you guys halfway through the September charge
Two GTs, and I was hooked
Cards fan in Middle East
i'm about to say something rather creepy
so it’s too bad there’s no thread collapse
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
how long before
gibby45 and gdm do battle over IHB
and when does IHB sue us
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
now there's an idea
but how does that explain fang
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG
In high school I was busier playing baseball, and being rewarded with detention, than taking my studies as seriously as I should have. My family and I thought that Lewis and Clark State might be a good fit, because there would be fewer distractions. I also had an opportunity to play there on a scholarship.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 30, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I should have come here before posting this interview as a main post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Also, I'm kind of sad I missed the cheesy 80's lyrics thread
She drives me crazy, hoo hoo
Like no one else, hoo hoo
She drives me crazy
And I can’t help myself
You got me runnin' baby
You give me somethin’ way beyond revenue
You put the magic in me
I feel the magic when we do what we do
And oh
I can’t do without you for too long, you’re my situation
You’re my kinda lover
My kinda lover
My kinda lover
Father wears his sunday best
Mothers tired she needs a rest
the kids are playing up downstairs
sisters sighing in her sleep
brothers got a date to keep he can’t hang around
Our House in the middle of our street
Bursting into song.
I'm gonna do another cheesy one, be warned
I hear the ticking of the clock
I’m lying here the room’s pitch dark
I wonder where you are tonight
No answer on the telephone
And the night goes by so very slow
Oh I hope that it won’t end though
Alone
Till now I always got by on my own
I never really cared until I met you
And now it chills me to the bone
How do I get you alone
How do I get you alone
Hello? Is it me you're looking for?
For I wonder where you are,
And I wonder what you do,
Are you somewhere feeling lonely,
Or is someone loving you?
Tell me how to win your heart,
For I haven’t got a clue,
But let me start by saying –
I love you
Cards fan in Middle East
by Shloz on Nov 30, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh wait, they have to be cheesy lyrics?
and here I was just embarking on a nostalgia trip…
Cards fan in Middle East
All I wanna do, is make a meal of you
We are what we eat, you’re my kind of meat
Got a hunger for your love, it’s what I’m speaking of
Give a dog a bone, I can take it home
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 30, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Heh
Oh, feel the beat of the rhythm of the night.
Dancing to the morning light.
Forget about the worries on your mind.
You can leave them all behind.
Oh, the rhythm of the night.
Oh, oh yeah.
Somehow, I lost my way
Looking to see something in your eyes
But love will never compromise
Now this is the politics of life, yeah!
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I can't understand it why you want to hurt me
After all the things I’ve done for you.
I buy you champagne and roses and diamonds on your finger -
Diamonds on your finger -
Still you hang out all night
what am I to do?
Read more: EDDIE MURPHY – PARTY ALL THE TIME LYRICS http://www.metrolyrics.com/party-all-the-time-lyrics-eddie-murphy.html#ixzz1fCfgIpEb
Copied from MetroLyrics.com
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Sister Christian, Oh the time has come
And you know that you’re the only one
To say O.K.
Where you going
What you looking for
You know those boys
Don’t want to play no more with you
It’s true
You’re motoring
What’s your price for flight
In finding mister right
You’ll be alright tonight
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 30, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Ignacio lay dying in the sand
A single red rose clutched in a dying hand
The women wept to see their hero die
And the big black birds gathered in the sky
Mother of all our joys, mother of all our sorrows
Intercede with him tonight
For all of our tomorrows
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
is there anywhere i can download a video of the game?
Purely legally, obviously.
Bursting into song.
http://sport-video.org.ua/baseball.html
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
and we will see you tomorrow night!
and I meant that literally/figuratively, as well
Cards fan in Middle East
Did you turn it off and walk out of the room after the 7th?
I still do that when I watch it. That game has the lowest low and highest high I’ve ever had in a single game.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Goddamnit
i just realised that i missed the oppurtunity for my 9001st comment to be: ITS OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAANNNDD!!!!
Oh well, here we go instead: ITS OVER TEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDDDRRREEEEDD!!!!!
Bursting into song.
Wednesday RB Appetizer Thread
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
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