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Eight for the Price of One, or: John Mozeliak's Smart Approach to Building the St. Louis Cardinals Bullpen

ST LOUIS, MO - OCTOBER 28: Jason Motte #30 of the St. Louis Cardinals pitches in the ninth inning during Game Seven of the MLB World Series against the Texas Rangers at Busch Stadium on October 28, 2011 in St Louis, Missouri.  The Cardinals won the game and the World Series. (Photo by Jamie Squire/Getty Images)

The 2011 Hot Stove opened with a Papelbang when the Phillies agreed to a four-year $50 million contract with free agent closer Jonathan Papelbon. A vesting option could make Papelbon's the largest free agent deal ever given to a reliever. The Papelbon contract is the latest in a free agency trend, one which has seen clubs more frequently give relievers multi-year deals worth eight figures or more. This despite the pitfalls of signing relief pitchers to expensive multi-year contracts.

In the wake of the Papelbon signing, Doug Wachter of the blog Saber by the Bay looked at the volatility in performance of those relievers who have been signed to large free agent contracts in recent years. While by no means comprehensive, it is nonetheless insightful:

Largely because they pitch fewer innings and therefore produce a much smaller sample of data, reliever production is much more volatile than the production of players at other positions. This manifests itself as the teams have a very difficult time determining which relievers are worth signing to multiyear deals for large amounts of guaranteed money. Of the ten relief pitchers who signed for more than $10 million last offseason, only three (Mariano Rivera, Joaquin Benoit, and J.J. Putz) were among the top 30 WAR producers last season. The only relievers who appearance int he top 10 WAR producers in both 2010 and 2011 were Sean Marshall and John Axford, suggesting that it's very difficult to accurately predicting which relievers will produce consistently from year to year and which ones are likely to stumble.

In a guest post at Fangraphs, "Why Not to Overpay Relief Pitchers," Carson Cistulli also took a look at the performance of relievers leading up to and following the signing of free agent contracts. Cistulli's analysis is more comprehensive than Wachter's and supports the philosophy that signing aging relievers to multi-year contracts is not a good idea. The whole post is definitely worth a read for both its analysis and illustrative graphs. Cistulli finds:

[T]he average WAR, ERA, FIP, XFIP, IP, K/9, BB/9, HR/9 all get significantly worse from a reliever’s contract year to the first year of his new contract, and continue on a downward slope.

In this Fangraphs guest post, which was written before the Rangers' signing of Joe Nathan was announced, Cistulli cites the Tampa Bay Rays, Atlanta Braves, and Texas Rangers as the luminaries in low-cost bullpen construction. I would add the Cardinals to this list.

Star-divide

While the club that got -0.2 Fangraphs WAR over the life of the three-year, $36 million contract it gave to former closer Brad Lidge failed to learn its lesson about signing relievers to large contracts, St. Louis Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak seems to have learned his. For years the Cardinals paid Jason Isringhausen handsomely to close out games. That arrangement came to a brutal end in 2008 when the $8 million closer imploded, leaving the club closer-less entering that winter's Hot Stove. After flirtations with big-ticket free agents like Brian Flores  Fuentes and Francisco Rodriguez, each of whom thankfully signed exorbitant deals elsewhere, the Cardinals entered Spring Training in 2009 without a designated closer. Eventually Ryan Franklin won the closer's job and the Cardinals haven't paid more than $3.25 million for a reliever since. 

Filling a bullpen with relatively cheap arms affords a club maximum flexibility when performance volatility strikes. The 2011 season offered multiple examples of this as the gradual trimming away of the overpaid veteran fat of recent years accerated to light speed out of necessity. So steep were the veterans' respective falls off the cliff of effectiveness that Mozeliak replaced five of the seven Opening Day bullpenners via outright release, trade, or free agency. The end result was a remade bullpen that was a cornerstone of the Cardinals' improbable 2011 World Series title run.

Against the backdrop of the free agent market for relief pitchers this Hot Stove, the Cardinals' approach is both smart and effective. Mozeliak has filled the bullpen with young, hard-throwing relievers who are as cheap as they are effective. A 2011 Opening Day bullpen that was already cheaper than Papelbon will be by himself on Opening Day 2012 has been reduced to a fraction of that cost as Opening Day 2012 approaches. The St. Louis approach to bullpen construction stands in stark juxtaposition to the Philadelphia model. 

The 2011 Opening Day bullpen had veterans but they were not particularly expensive. The most highly paid member of the relief corps was incumbent closer Ryan Franklin who would earn $3.25 million in 2011. The second-highest paid reliever was LOOGY Trever Miller at $2MM. Miguel Batista and Brian Tallet tied for third-highest reliever salary; each earned $750,000. The total price tage for the Opening Day bullpen was $8.03 million--less for an entire bullpen than some individual relievers are paid.

OPENING DAY BULLPEN

2011 SALARY

Ryan Franklin

$3,250,000

Trever Miller

$2,000,000

Miguel Batista

$750,000

Brian Tallet

$750,000

Brian Augenstein

$414,000

Jason Motte

435,000

Mitchell Boggs

$431,000

TOTAL

$8,030,000

 

One might suggest that Mozeliak and the Cardinals got what they paid for from their bullpenners in the early part of the season. This would be wrong for they got much, much less. That is how badly Franklin, Miller, Batista, and Tallet pitched. Injuries, releases, and call-ups infused the bullpen with relievers from the farm system. The Rasmus trade and the signing of Arthur Rhodes off the scrap heap completed the bullpen's transformation. For the postseason, the Cardinals had a collection of relatively cheap arms to choose from when forming their bullpen for each round.

POSTSEASON BULLPEN

2011 SALARY

Octavio Dotel

$2,750,000

Kyle McClellan

$1,375,000

Jason Motte

$435,000

Mitchell Boggs

$431,000

Marc Rzepczynski

$429,600

Fernando Salas

$414,000

Arthur Rhodes

$414,000

Lance Lynn

$414,000

TOTAL

$6,662,600

 

The NLDS incarnation featured Dotel, Motte, Boggs, Rzepcynski, Salas, Rhodes, and Westbrook--who I haven't included in the chart because he is a fifth starter paid $8.5 million. The price tag for this group (excluding Westbrook) was $5,287,600. For the NLCS, Kyle McClellan joined the relief corps as a replacement for Jake Westbrook, which drove the overall bullpen salary up to $6,662,600 for this eight-reliever incarnation. After McCellan was shelled in his lone NLCS appearance, he was mercifully left off the World Series roster with Westbrook taking his spot. Excluding McCellan and Westbrook, the collection of relievers that pitched in the World Series cost the same amount as the NLDS version:  $5,287,600.

It was a group without much the oft-coveted Proven Closer and his accompanying price tag. In fact, comparing the Cardinals' postseason reliever collective's price tag to those of recent free agent veterans, St. Louis has received production at a bargain of a price. Isringhausen earned $8 million in 2008, his final season in St. Louis. The free agent relievers the Cardinals reportedly targeted as potential heir to Isringhausen's closer mantle--Fuentes and Rodriguez--each cost more than any version of the 2011 Cardinals bullpen. The postseason St. Louis 'pen combined for a lower salary than either Joe Nathan or Papelbon will earn next season. 

 

The three postseason series offer several potential bullpen compositions for 2012. Even though he did not see postseason action, it is very likely that Eduardo Sanchez will fill one of the spots. Despite the Cardinals having expressed some interest in bringing back Octavio Dotel, his profile is so similar to Sanchez's that the two pitchers are redundant talents in a bullpen. Furthermore, even without Dotel, a healthy Sanchez creates a right-handed log jam that must be cleared. The most likely candidates for trade and/or non-tender are Mitchell Boggs, who has struggled with his command and control, and Kyle McClellan, who will likely see his price tag in the face of arbitration exceed his mediocre production. The club will also likely shop around for a left-handed reliever to fill the spot vacated Arthur Rhodes. There will be raises across the board with the arbitration-eligible Motte likely to receive the largest salary increase. Even so, it seems likely that the 2012 St. Louis bullpen will cost a fraction of the big-ticket brand name closers across the league, making the relief corps a welcome efficiency on a roster that could very well bear the anchor of a $25 million first baseman in his decline phase.

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Papelbon's probably worth $12m now

but at age 35 (and even, perhaps, 36)? Ugh. The Phillies are going to be absolutely atrocious in about 4 or 5 years, but I suppose that’s what happens when you go all-out to win now (and have a fairly dumb GM), and I guess kudos to them for trying to seize their window.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Lynn

GOB forbid any injuries but if one of the starting five can’t go in spring or are generally ineffective, is there any chance Lance Lynn gets a shot to crack the rotation?

by paposse on Nov 28, 2011 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

Given his makeup

I wouldn’t mind seeing Lynn start the year as a starter in AAA and be the 6th starter if needed. Dixon I would imagine is 7th and we’ll have to see how Miller does in AAA. If he is killing it in AAA and there is a need in St. Louis, then I could see Lynn moving back to the pen. Until there is more starting depth in the high minors, Lynn needs to stay as a starter. If Riefer comes back healthy, I would imagine that he gets a long look for Lynn’s roll in the St. Louis bullpen. Cleto may also figure in there as a starter, certainly in Memphis. If he gets his command, he would join Lynn and Dixon as likely fill in starters.

by ckeiner on Nov 28, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

Lynn only gets into the rotation if there is an injury during to one of our 5 starters during Spring Training. Otherwise he will be in the pen and stays there unless a major injury occurs during the season. Dickson and others can handle spot starts in cases of 15-day DLs for some starters. In fact, I think it’s possible that Lynn ends up as the closer next year. Motte had a great postseason but he was wonderful earlier in the year in coming into messes and getting out of them. Dotel did some of that after Motte became the closer but if he’s not back, then Motte may go into that role. Just hard to say who will do what in the pen since the Cards have 4 or 5 pitchers who could effectively close games.

by CRay on Nov 28, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been stumping for the "Lynn for closer" platform for a while.

I think Lynn will remain in the ML bullpen all year first as the primary setup man, and then as closer. He can compete for a starter’s role with Shelby Miller, Cleto, et al, in 2013 when Westbrook and Lohse move on.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 28, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

We could have

Motte pitch the last inning on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays

Sanchez could take Saturdays and Tuesdays

Lynn could take Thursdays and Salas could take Mondays

Or we could use the guy that matches up the best with the opposing team’s hitters… nah that wouldn’t work.

by dmiles on Nov 28, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Historically it really hasn't.

(Not saying it couldn’t)

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so, but lately nobody seems willing to even try to succeed without a "Closer"*

*Or a guy that is used exactly like a closer, but his manager refuses to call him that

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I just meant that

if not having a closer (trying to match up your bullpen to whatever hitters they have coming up/on the bench) hasn’t historically worked, is it something mental about closing out the game that you have to have in order to be successful?

Just a thought. I’ve heard folks talk about it before, but that doesn’t make it true (or false).

by dmiles on Nov 29, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Lynn could end up getting shelled next year

and we’ll all wonder what all the fuss was about. I’m hopeful for him, but yet to be convinced it isn’t all smoke and mirrors thus far. He seemed to get away with 2 or 3 mid-90s fastballs right down the pipe on just about every appearance last year, and his minor league numbers do not suggest his stuff is particularly unhittable. We’ll see.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Must be steroids

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Kicker, too, is Metheny's view. . . . While TLR had faith in wretched vets, the jury is out on this year's philosophy

Will Dunc’s influence be the same? More? Less?

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by akaitori on Nov 28, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

re: Miller in AAA

I think there’s a good chance he starts the year in AA and I doubt he makes it to the show for more than a cup of coffee in 2012, but I guess anything can happen.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Great post

I hope we keep Boggs. If he ever figures it out, he’ll be special.

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by VolsnCards5 on Nov 28, 2011 8:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

this

Everybody’s quick to axe/trade Boggs. Why? You can’t have too many who throw 96 MPH and have a devastating slider. OK, he’s control is an issue, but if the team finally decides Boggs is a reliever, I think that will help. Plus Boggs is insurance in case one of the other relievers gets hurts or has a bad year.

Of course, if Boggs could get us a young, cost-controlled CF. . .

I agree K-Mac should go. He offers nothing to the rotation or the bullpen.

by gocards62 on Nov 28, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

Boggs is somewhat of an anomaly to me, and it’s not necessarily his control that worries me. He’s always seemed like a fireballer with an impressive arsenal who can’t manage to miss bats, for whatever reason.

But I agree. Given his low cost and the unlikelihood of getting anything of note in return for him, the advantage is clearly on the side of retaining Boggs.

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by mattyp on Nov 28, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I would have agreed with all this a season ago. Boggs-Motte was my dream.

and then he started having chronic back problems. that is the real shakiness in trying to use Boggs as insurance.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I'm sure if he pitched up in the zone with more with 4 seamers, he'd get more Ks.

Throwing lots of two-seamers lower in the zone is going to lower the K rate for most pitchers.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 28, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Who is quick to axe/trade Boggs?

McClellan and Dotel are everyone’s favorites for the boot out of town.

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by hazel on Nov 28, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I really feel TLR/the org messed Boggs around really badly this year

he hasn’t helped himself much, to be fair, but to go from being the defacto closer one week to being demoted to AAA and told to work as a starting pitcher again about a month later (when he’d only made a handful of appearances in between) can’t really have helped the guy. I’m hoping a change of scenery at the top of the ballclub might help this year.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was awful

not quite Brad Thompson-level of badness, but it was pretty bad.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 28, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't visited the site in a few days

Thanks for reminding me why it’s one of the best baseball sites out there, bgh. Great analysis and write-up.

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by mattyp on Nov 28, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

i just saw a class-action lawsuit ad from a firm based in Texas

the first name on the firm was Freese

call now!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

Boggs exactly
Boggs is somewhat of an anomaly to me, and it’s not necessarily his control that worries me. He’s always seemed like a fireballer with an impressive arsenal who can’t manage to miss bats, for whatever reason.

by ridgesee on Nov 28, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

I agree.

And it has often been discussed here: With Boggs’ fastball/slider combination, why doesn’t he strike more batters out? It’s puzzling.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i suspect he tips.

he’s got this inconsistency about his body language. it could be that he gives away when changing.

i’ve commented about his being rattled at times, which I thought he got over. even then, one can usually tell how his day will go after the first couple of pitches. he can be a boss if he wants to.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I also suspect that because he does have a Second Pitch

Yadier gets cute with his game-calling.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

He does seem to get a ton of weak contact when he's got his command though

So even though guys don’t miss the ball much, they very rarely square it up on him.

This would be worth looking into more. If I had to guess why his swing-miss rate is so low it’s because:

  • His fastball doesn’t have a lot of movement.
  • He tips his slider off, helping hitters to lay off that pitch.

One way to look for the second instance would be to see how many called strikes he gets with the slider, especially up in the zone or backdoor to LHH — instances in which the location of the pitch would indicate a hanging breaking ball. If hitters are looking at it a lot in the locations where it’s hittable, it might mean that he’s tipping it, which makes it a nearly worthless out pitch.

Also, I don’t think he’s “effectively wild” as TLR used to say about Kerry Wood. He’s not wild in the sense that he might brain you because he doesn’t know where it’s going, he’s wild in the sense that he misses in the dirt and way off the plate away from hitters, making them more comfortable in the batters box and more likely to hang on and put the ball in play instead of bailing out.

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by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

my issue w/ Boggs

is that he incredibly SLOW to the plate. I think he’d be better if he worked quickly like Carp—get the sign and throw.

by gocards62 on Nov 28, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

My feeling is that his control of his slider is quite poor

hitters can mostly lay off it and sit on the fastball.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Urban Meyer

has been signed by Ohio State as new head coach. Anybody else ever thought that Urban Meyer and Rick Ankiel look an awful lot alike.

Also Infielder Ty Wigginton and $2 million of his $4 million salary for 2012 was sent by the Rockies to the Phillies, for a player to be named. This seems a slight odd trade to me. A little mystery as to who the Rockies are getting in return.

by ridgesee on Nov 28, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Are they the same person?

Have you ever seen them together? Hmmmmm

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Nov 28, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Eduardo Sanchez OK?

Tried a couple times on this subject, but never get a respone … Is Eduardo OK or perhaps looking at some surgery? I was perplxed by his late season appearance vs Houston, followed by being left off of the post season rosters. As I recall, he did well against the Stros the last week of the season. Then, no mention for post season. Anyone know what was up with that?

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by Gibby45 on Nov 28, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

Don't know where I heard or read this

but my understanding was that he had progressed well and was considered recovered. He looked great in the one inning in the Astro game but for his protection and the concern for his future, it would not be wise to put him back into the pressure situations of the playoffs and WS. The reward would not be worth the risk.

This was a Tony La Russa quote but I don’t when or where I heard it.

by ridgesee on Nov 28, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Not only this, but....

are we actually complaining about the make-up of the 2011 Cardinals post-season bullpen?????

Hindsight is 20/20 and all but, even if I was still having thoughts of Sanchez on the roster (which I never did) I’d think that collective performance might just convince me to drop it.

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by Tackle Box on Nov 28, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the only thoughts were like mine were.

Why put Westy and KMac on the team when you’ve got a guy like Sanchez available. And no more than they were used, it almost wouldn’t have hurt to put him on there. But it was probably for the best to leave him off.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

he made the most of his shining moment

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

really? that sucks.

he should’ve gotten a soundbite, at least.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the only time they showed Theriot was him K'ing.

It is what it is.

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by Alxfritz on Nov 28, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

heh.

A Cub’s gonna Cub.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

and a Berk’s gonna Berk

by dmiles on Nov 28, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

appropriate is what it is

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by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

he did get a soundbite

watch the celebration after Freese’s Game 6 walk-off. One of the players in the scrum can clearly be heard shouting, “Jake!”

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by mattyp on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That may have been Carp.

I remember Carp rubbing his head.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

moar furcal

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, his performance was against the Astros....

Not exactly a good indicator on how well he would fare against the playoff teams. Sanchez was most likely left off because they didn’t want to needlessly push him. The Cardinals still see him as a possible set-up guy or closer, and with him just returning from arm trouble, they probably felt they had enough arms for the postseason bullpen.

by Forsch31 on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

to the best of my knowledge

him being left off the playoff rosters was because they didn’t think he was the best option, not heard anything about any surgery, should be healthy going into ST.

But other people can correct me on this.

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by Aranathor on Nov 28, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

don't think anything is wrong with him

my memory is he was left off playoff rosters because they didn’t think he could pitch effectively 2 days in a row – hopefully, that means he just needs more rest

by CRay on Nov 28, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Chris Duncan

said on the radio that Sanchez was very sore after his appearance against the ’stros.

#12in12

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That graph is pretty awesome.

It makes me wonder: What is the easiest part of the team to “overspend” on? I suppose you’d have to come up with a method of comparison, which would (I assume) have to do with how often players of a certain type are paid more than they deserve, and a relatively objective way of comparing value. Maybe dollars per WAR combined somehow with a leverage calculation, or something like that. I dunno.

Anyway, I wonder if bullpen pitchers aren’t one of the worst or easiest ways to waste money when constructing a baseball team. As such, it seems pretty clever to keep your team away from that temptation by adhering to this sort of approach.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

Bill James noted the same thing 25 years ago in his Baseball Abstract

that the most waste of money was on a so-called “closer.” And that’s when a million was considered a lot of money.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Nov 28, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder what is the most common way of wasting money?

It certainly seems logical (and obviously indicated by at least some research, like that of James) that relievers are the worst way to overpay since there can be such a gap between cost and production.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Large contracts for starting pitchers seem to be pretty iffy as well

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, although i still wonder about linearity with respect to value

It’s something we’d have to look at in depth.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing is,

for every bust contract in the $15-$25M AAV range (Lackey, Burnett, Hampton, Zito, Peavy, Zambrano, Jason Schmidt etc.), there’s also one in which the pitcher exceeds his value significantly (Clemens, Sabathia, Lee, Halladay, Pedro, Verlander, King Felix). Link.

Now scroll down the relievers. Um, HOLY SHIT ARE THERE SOME BAD CONTRACTS in that bunch. Lidge, Frankie Rodriguez, Kerry Wood, DANYS BAEZ!!! and BJ RYAN!!!. Hell, even most of the complete bust starting pitchers gave you SOMETHING. Baez and Ryan were basically a rabbit hole which engulfed nearly $20M per season for three years combined.

I think overrating relievers and signing relief pitcher free agents is one of the easiest ways to waste money on a major league roster. Look at the best franchises at turning out solid bullpens (specifically, Braves, Dodgers, Yankees) in the last 20 years and most have one thing in common: bullpens built from within.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Fuentes only just side-stepped being one of the worst free agent signings in Cardinals history

because some idiot in California was prepared to offer him even more than Mo did. Phew.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Managers, natch.

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by hazel on Nov 28, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

$400 for a monkey wrench that can go into space.

I call that an overpay.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 28, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

the rust means experience!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about AAA depth this upcoming season.....

But my preference would be to resign Dotel or somebody similiar, if for no other reason, than to help with depth, by leaving Sanchez in AAA to start the season. We saw how many relievers spend time in STL this year that didn’t start on the roster? With injuries and ineffectiveness, I’d rather be safe than sorry.

by Stanley1 on Nov 28, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

agreed

but i don’t think they’ll decide on dotel until pujols is dealt with. all depends on what kind of $ Mo has to work with.

by BVHeck on Nov 28, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I would be fine with signing Dotel if it weren't for the fact that signing him will cost us a supplemental draft pick.

Because of that, I would not sign Dotel.

As for the roster turnover for relievers, I think that was primarily a function of having a bunch of shitty relievers on the roster at the beginning of the year.

As well, we still have quite a few viable options for the ML bullpen in Memphis – Reifer, Dickson, Cleto, Ottavino, Fick, et al.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 28, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Dotel is a modified type B free agent,

which means we get a supplemental draft pick if he signs elsewhere no matter what.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I also kinda wonder if we didn't catch lightning in a bottle with dotel.

Guy’s been pretty much mediocre for a few years, excepting the three months he spent with us last year. I’d be OK with letting him walk regardless, but especially given the supplemental pick.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No way:

Offer him arb, let him trade off of his playoff performance, and take the supplemental first rounder, with which we can draft a guy who can become Octavio Dotel for 6+ cost controlled years for our franchise. Or, better yet, another Tyrell Jenkins or Charlie Tilson.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

under the modified Type B status

my understanding is that we don’t even have to offer arb to get the supplemental pick. The best of both worlds, as it were.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 28, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd probably still offer it. He's very likely to decline

as this will be the last time he’ll have a shot at a good size payday. If we could have him back at around 20% more than he made last year, than that’s a pretty good deal, imo.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What's Dotel's status? Do the Cards have any strings? If so, how long?

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by akaitori on Nov 28, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You brought up a good point that I forgot about

The Phillies don’t remember how the Lidge contract turned out?

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Nov 28, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

But this is totally different!

See, the Lidge contract was for a hyped up 30-year-old reliever and was for multiple years, whereas the Papelbon contract is…

Oh, OK. I see your point.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yes and no.

Yes to what you said, but at the time, Lidge was considered the best closer in baseball, whereas right now Papelbon is considered…….

oh wait….yeah

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by Tackle Box on Nov 28, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair to Papelbon

he’s a better pitcher than Lidge was when both deals were signed, and it’s not even that close. Lidge was coming off a couple of so-so years and Papelbon has just put up one of the best relief seasons in recent history.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair point

I just like to take jabs at the Phillies, since they are intent on over-spending their way to becoming the Yankees/Red Sox of the NL.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

At one point do the Cards lower their offer...

to, say, 7/175 and try to put the screws to Pujols? Seems like we’re bidding against no one here….

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

That's our speciality, bidding against no one

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

in all honesty, i think

why would anyone offer apu more than 5 yrs?
he was 5 fwar last year and his low tech metrics like BA have declined in each of the last 3 years
he has also been piling up months below .300 BA

i suspect no one will match the cards offer of 9 years at any aav
if he goes elsewhere, it will be for higher aav and fewer yrs
this will present a cashflow problem for most teams, including stl

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

A nice mental slip on lefty relievers, eh?

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent analysis bgh

I’d only like to point out that one factor at work is the fact that the Cardinals’ farm system has produced some really great bullpen talent in the last few years. If the Phillies’ farm system had given them Motte, Sanchez, etc. then maybe they don’t feel compelled to go out and sign a big guy. Similarly, if the Cardinals farm system was cranking out guys like Michael Stutes (0.0 WAR in 2011) and David Herndon (-0.6 WAR in 2011) we’d probably be hearing more people call for us to sign a high profile guy. I’d hope we’d never be stupid enough to consider that Papelbon contract though.

by jibbers on Nov 28, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think their inability to produce solid bullpen arms should be a point in their favor like that

Any team should be able to produce bullpen arms

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what you mean by "point in their favor"

Clearly this is a point in the Cardinals favor. And I agree that any team can produce relievers but not any team can produce a quality homegrown bullpen fit for a contending team. In years past the homegrown “talent” in the Cardinals’ bullpen was less Salas and Sanchez and more Brad Thompson and Kelvin Jimenez.

by jibbers on Nov 28, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

it's amazing what can happen

when you get somebody in the FO jobs that really know their jobs. Lunhow has been probably the single biggest plus that we’ve had that most people have no idea who he is. Not sure how long John Vuch has been around but he seems to have a damned good grasp of how to do his job as well.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good interns

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Topical!

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Nov 28, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

was that her nickname?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you don't know what Rui's been up to

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

(mattyp mimes pouring coffee)

Glug-glug-glug.. ohhh, this coffee is too hot, would you mind holding it, please, for a minute?

(mysterui takes the imaginary cup)

Yeah. Hey, what time is it?

(mysterui turns the imaginary cup over to look at his watch, spilling the imaginary coffee on his pants)

Burrrrrrrrn!!

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by Tackle Box on Nov 28, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think another thing to point out is

that this enviable situation happened as much by necessity as by design. As the early season bullpen makeup shows, Tony had no intention of entrusting late game leads to the dirt cheap young gun slingers that the system had developed. It was only when the sheer horror of what Franklin, Miller and the other veterans were costing the team became overwhelmingly evident that Tony tip toed into using the younger arms.
Remember that only Boggs and Motte were original members of the pen and everyone else came from Memphis or elsewhere. We really owe a debt of gratitude to Salas and Sancez for proving to Tony that you don’t need years of mental preparation to protect a late inning lead. Once he realized that he used his weapons as skillfully as anything I’ve seen a manager do.
Anyway we are in a great position with our bullpen but I don’t think we would be in it had the original members not been as totally incompetent as they were.

by easy on Nov 28, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

yep. this is one of those rare occurances where we can actually thank somebody for sucking.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

that man deserves that ring for that

and also for letting the squirrels out of his beard

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty sure he'll get a ring for that

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

ummm.....

too easy

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\mm/

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2011 9:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Boggs' ERA, FIP, xFIP, BB/9, and K/BB have improved each year he has been in the major leagues.

This year, Boggs had a 3.56 ERA, a 3.44 FIP, a 3.66 xFIP and a 2.29 K/BB. He struck out more than 7 per 9, and had a +51% GB%. He’s a fine, cheap RH reliever.

Actually, if you look at their peripheral stats for last year, Boggs’ numbers match up closely to Chris Carpenter’s (The main differences were that Boggs had a better GB% but a higher walk rate).

Could he improve his fastball command? Sure. He’d probably lower his walk rate and increase his K rate that way. I actually don’t think he’ll achieve much there because of his mechanics and history, but a further small improvement is possible. But even if he never improves from where he is now, he’s still a quality mid-tier arm for the pen.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 28, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

I agree.

I think Boggs is a nice bullpen arm at a very nice price. I hope the Cardinals keep him. Nonetheless, the shuffling of him between Memphis and St. Louis last season and the fact that he seemed to fall out of favor with La Russa and Duncan make him seem like a candidate to be traded. I can’t find the story or post but I remember Boggs himself being quoted about him likely playing elsewhere in 2012. I think it was a Rob Rains blog post, but I could be wrong.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Those situations (i.e., Boggs being sent to AAA) tend to be complicated

and I assume we do not have all the facts. Also, TLR has left so that may change the calculus. Perhaps, at the time, Dunc truly did want Boggs to work on something, including being prepared to make some spot starts. Perhaps the FO saw the benefits of sending him down so that Boggs would not be arbitration eligible this year (which is what happened).

In the end, Boggs was on the playoff/WS rosters (which is the most accurate measure of a player’s standing, IMO), and though he was behind Motte, Lynn, Salas, and Dotel in the pecking order, that doesn’t say as much about Boggs as it does about those other guys.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Boggs had lower back issues last year...

If you are having back problems locating any pitch can be difficult.

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by Red Blazer on Nov 28, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

On the Post-Dispatch website

Derrick Goold answers some questions regarding prospects including Sanchez. It’s definitely worth a read. Pertinent to our discussion today is this tidbit on Eduardo Sanchez:

As for Sanchez, there exist high hopes that he can grow into a setup role and perhaps emerge as an Octavio Dotel-like reliever. His slight frame and his shoulder troubles do raise concerns about his stamina and his durability for a long season. There is no doubting his stuff. He’s the prototype for an effective late-inning reliever and could be the setup righty to Fernando Salas’s fireman.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

I want to see him throw sliders forever

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It's one of the most video-game-like pitches I've seen in a while.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably since when Carlos Marmol came up to the cubs.

That’s all he ever seemed to do was throw that nasty slider. Problem is, hitter have learned that it’s out of the zone about 75% of the time so they often don’t swing at it and he gets all frustrated.

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by Tackle Box on Nov 28, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

also, umpires called it a strike fairly regularly when it was OOZ

They’ve gotten better at differentiating, at least by my eyeball. My blood pressure used to jump significantly while watching the strike calls he got, a few years back, but it’s not as bad anymore (though he still gets a lot of breaks).

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by SleepyCA on Nov 28, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Flash Cards

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this an old post?

Does anyone still think Salas would be an effective closer? Yes, he did it for awhile last year, but it seems to me like he started getting hammered when he was overexposed. With his fastball sitting at 91, he has to be able to hit his spots ala Rivera….and there just aren’t too many Mariano Rivera clones out there.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 28, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm... Here are his ERAs by month

March/April: 0.96
May: 1.88
June: 4.73
July: 2.08
August: 1.42
September/October: 2.19

His FIPs and xFIPs are a good run or so higher, but just as consistent across the months. Aside from June he was pretty solid and never really got blown apart.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Stuff isn't a reason he wouldn't be a good closer, imo

The ability to pitch on multiple days without rest is, though, and I think that he’s demonstrably less effective when he pitches on back-to-back days or three times in four days. As a closer, he would have to do that considerably more often then if he was just middle relief.

Also, we don’t know how Matheny is going to use his bullpen yet either. Could be that the team doesn’t have a designated “stopper” and simply goes by matchup and committee for that role.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

In many ways, what I like most about the Cards' current bullpen is the sustainability of this approach

the team seems to have committed itself in recent years to drafting and developing pitching talent that could pan out for the starting rotation, but has promise in the bullpen if it doesn’t. That means the material is in place to stick with this approach to constructing the bullpen for several years just with the pitchers already working their way through the system.

When the guys who make up the current bullpen start to get too pricey, the Cards are going to be able to let them walk away; some subset of Cleto, Dickson, Swagerty, Martinez, Gast, Rosenthal, etc. etc. will have failed to develop as starters, but be ripe for a role in the pen. I’m just hoping that the team keeps on drafting like this in future years.

by Robth on Nov 28, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Boggs and Kmac are both expendable

Dependently undependable. Unless you want walks and home runs. Kmac would be a great BP pitcher.

by setitan on Nov 28, 2011 11:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Boggs just isn't a good comparison for McClellan

Boggs is still cheap while McClellan is rapidly getting more expensive than he is worth. Boggs has post FIPs the last two years which are better than any year McClellan has. Boggs has steadily improved while McClellan has steadily gotten worse.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

$40 to go towards Newegg products for $20

Buy it

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Damnit

My internet was done at work today. Totally would of done that

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 28, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Might just be out of the loop,

but when did VEB: They did it for Torty occur?

by BVHeck on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Like the day after we won the WS

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

We know, but we ain't sayin'

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, did I read the caption on that photo correctly?

The Cardinals won the World Series?!?!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by dmiles on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been without interwebs since Weds nite so I'm just getting caught up.

I was reading the article about DannyMac might stand a good chance at getting his job back. So maybe we won’t all just have to die at the thought of the Ricky and Al show all year next year. That will make listening to games a bit more tolerable at least.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

oooh, that's good news.

Do you have a link?

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yes ma'am.

here

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Dan Caeser really needs to change that picture.

He looks like a serial killer.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Nov 28, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Better?

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by Alxfritz on Nov 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

WinRAR

Mnnagerial leader in urned runs for the entire decade of the 90s.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Urned runs? Like they're dead?

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by monkeysareblue on Nov 28, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you

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by spants on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry to OT so early in the day

but just finished the latest episode of Dexter. That show is going down the drain pretty quickly, huh?

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by mattyp on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Ah, so I shouldn't watch this season?

I’ve been thinking about catching up

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Just seems like very amateurish writing

this season, super cliched, uninteresting subplots, dumbed-down characters, totally predictable and cheap “twists,” gaping plot holes, etc.

Deb might actually be the most interesting character on the show this season, which is not a good sign. But her starting to uncover, only in a very preliminary way, things about Dexter’s character is the about the only interesting thing going on.

Oh. And worst of all, Colin Hanks.

If you have Showtime and are looking for some time to kill, I’ve heard Homeland is excellent. Haven’t checked it out for myself yet though.

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by mattyp on Nov 28, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

the mid-season finale of Walking Dead was pretty damned good.

by far the best show of the season

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

that show has been downright awful.

I haven’t watched last nights episode yet though.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 28, 2011 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This season's not been great, to say the least.

But last nite’s was pretty good. A good set up for February.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

This is incorrect.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 28, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

100% agree

There’s been about 20 minutes of good TV among all the episodes. Skip to the end of last nights episode. The only part worth watching is the last 10 min or so.

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by azruavatar on Nov 28, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

unfortunately, I can't agree with that.

even more unfortunate, we can’t actually get into it without it being a spoiler alert.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

same

I haven’t been able to make it through a single episode.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 28, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That episode was very, very good.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 28, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Homeland is very good, so far.

Dexter has been terrible this year, almost unwatchable.

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by nomar34 on Nov 28, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

funny

Cause I’ve enjoyed it. Certainly not one of the best seasons but not terrible. Dexter is usually just average the first set of episodes but always ends with a bang.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 28, 2011 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

homeland is really good

watch it

only good show on right now ;_;

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Nov 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry

SOA’s been non-stop this season. I haven’t watched Homeland yet, but it’s not the only good show.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

SOA is the best show on TV right now

without a doubt in my mind. This season is on par with Mad Men and Breaking Bad’s best seasons.

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
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by nomar34 on Nov 28, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree with that.

I’m really looking forward to tomorrow’s season finale. I don’t know how they can top the last three episodes.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, I thought this was the last one.

thanks.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

it was going to be but Sutter told FX he needed another episode

to give the season a proper ending so they added it a few weeks ago

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

if only cause they didn't want

to get twittered to death by the fans after he got cranky if they didn’t give it to him.

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\mm/

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2011 9:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

probably, if you've read his blog he's always complaining about editing

and how he hates having to cut scenes he feels need to be seen. i’m sure he shot enough for 2 or 3 episodes & didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor.

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 28, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

here's a good run down from TVLine.com of the two episode finale

Season 4′s two-part finale kicks off this Tuesday, and it is just as gripping, satisfying and shocking as you expect it to be. Opie’s shooting of Clay of course has massive ripple effects, including one seemingly minor – yet potentially major – death in this week’s hour. Among the standout performances in the finale, Charlie Hunnam seethes intensity while holding someone at knifepoint, Katey Sagal deftly handles a scene that will surely be watched with great expectation, and even Rockmond Dunbar gets some moving moments as the sheriff. I can also say that Vic Mackey puts in an appearance, Jax/Tara fans will want to have on hand a bottle of wine, two boxes of Kleenex and one set of cheerleader pom-poms (but not necessarily in that order), and the second hour packs a massive twist that I absolutely did not see coming. Also: For those who ever longed to see Jax naked from head to toe, soaking wet, Christmas is here early.

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

your sig works really well with the end of that

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Homeland has been awesome.

I’m out on Dexter after last season. They’ve finally had to bite the bullet of not developing the other characters on the show this season.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Still

I stick to my main point: They’ve done a really shitty job fleshing out all the other characters on the show, and two they did a really good job of doing that with they killed them off (Dexter’s wife, which was a pretty awesome series finale, and his girlfriend from the season before). I really don’t know the motivations for the characters in the police department other than that his sister is kind of a bitch, the asian guy is a pervert, and there’s some weird love triangle going on with the the old guy big shot head of PD and the two latino characters.

Michael C. Hall is an AWESOME actor, but he’s carried this show forever along with some outstanding guest spots.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

May I suggest Boardwalk Empire?

Every episode this season has been excellent.

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by RiverRat on Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Needs moar Omar...

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by nomar34 on Nov 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This season has been pretty bad.

Obviously want to avoid spoilers (and I haven’t watched this week’s episode yet), but what’s annoyed me more than anything is how frequently episodes have had dumb plot holes and / or moments which more or less shatter the first rule of “The Code.”

WWCD? CDGAF.

by JStymie on Nov 28, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

So, @stljccorcoran seems to have lost it.

Now saying that announcement of Pujols signing is imminent, will be for significantly less than 10 years.

Also, he is tweeting at everyone to go blow themselves.

by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Nov 28, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

What did I do?

I… I… I was just trolling him…

sobs

by BVHeck on Nov 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

provided a lot of entertainment for a lot of people, that's what

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy's classy.
blow yourself douchebag.

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by RiverRat on Nov 28, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

As Ron White says

“I’m not as flexible as a real dog.”

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by Gibby45 on Nov 28, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

is he having a stroke?

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Nov 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Any thoughts on Kensuke Tanaka?

http://yakyubaka.com/2011/11/03/tampa-bay-rays-interested-in-kensuke-tanaka/
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=tanaka001ken <— Incomplete.

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by monkeysareblue on Nov 28, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

I've grown much more skeptical of signing players from the Japan.

With the posting fee and salary, it just doesn’t seem worth it for the relatively unpredictable level of production you’ll get. Besides, we already have Descalso who will cost virtually nothing and has been declared the frontrunner to start at second base by Mozeliak.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet another OT: SLU is ranked #25 in the latest basketball polls.

As a former Billiken and employee of Chaifetz…WOOOOOOO

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by mtzxc on Nov 28, 2011 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Ranked #23 in the AP top 25 too.

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by mtzxc on Nov 28, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty cool

I live in A10 land and it’s nice to see some teams getting respect. Xavier is a legit top 10, Temple will flirt with top 25 all year, SLU is much improved and St. Bona is going to make noise.

by paposse on Nov 28, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss

Charlie Spoonhauer

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by Gibby45 on Nov 28, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll join the OT parade

Does anyone know whether Wilco’s The Whole Love is any good?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

No

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks.

I’ll stick to spotifying it.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

agree.

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by pattimagee on Nov 28, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked it

Their best since a ghost is born. But not a truly amazing album like YHF or Summerteeth.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 28, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty much that

But the first and last songs are worth it alone on the new one.

by saul wright on Nov 28, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys remember when Boggs finally got to pitch

After nearly a month of sitting the bench in September? He was pissed off and he came in and mowed everyone down. That’s the Boggs I like

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I like the article a lot, bgh.

One quibble about a “RH logjam that must be cleared” – if you just mean “that the club will likely clear,” then you’re right about that.

In terms of what the club should do, I’d much rather they kept an effective RH arm than shopped around for the nearest, cheapest guy who throws with his left hand. Those guys have been cheap in the past, but usually totally valuelss.

I’d rather keep boggs on the squad and have salas throw to lefties if we’ve burned rzepczynski already, than take on ron villone 2.0.

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by tom s. on Nov 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

With his changeup, Salas has proven effective against LHB.

I suspect that, as Goold states in the above-linked and quoted Q&A, Salas will be the fireman in 2012 that Motte was for much of 2011. I think that’s an excellent role for him. I think it will be interesting to see if the Cardinals decide to move a righty since both McClellan and Salas have seen some success against LHB. I’d be perfectly okay with the Cardinals having only one lefty in the bullpen.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

are there any lefty's in the pipe line? all we ever hear about are the righty's

i doubt rhodes will be back & i am certain Dunk will want another loogy out there with scrabble

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 28, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sam Freeman was added to the 40-man.

He had Tommy John surgery in 2010. If he’s all the way back, he could be an option.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

do you know if lefty's either as starters or relivers a priority for the club?

i get they are hard to find & i’m sure every club wants as many as they can get. you just never hear about teams trying to build their own from their minors

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 28, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

The Cardinals did this with Jaime Garcia. I think the Cardinals have lacked lefty pitching depth in the minors for quite a few years. I don’t think it’s necessarily a focus. I think they draft the best player on their board based on skill, signability and upside and I’m okay with that.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

that said, starting with freeman and john gast,

There are maybe half a dozen lefties following them in the low minors who could plausibly become big league relievers or even starters. I think in a few years, we won’t be hurting for lefties.

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by tom s. on Nov 29, 2011 12:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This

Also, a lot of these RHP that we’re talking about have missed time due to injury in the last couple of seasons as well. Boggs, Sanchez, and Lynn all hit the 15 day DL this last season, and Salas certainly isn’t a rubber arm by any means — he’s not a guy who should pitch more than 40 pitches in two days. So I think we’re going to need some depth from the right side.

I do think that we’ve got some very good options in the high minors though. Reifer should be an option if he builds on where he was pre-injury and I do wonder if Brandon Dickson could crank it up a little bit in short relief. He throws a heavy ball and might benefit from a little extra sauce when coming out of the bullpen and maybe going down to one offspeed pitch and mastering it. There’s also Cleto if the club really got in a pinch, but I’d much rather he stayed in the rotation in Memphis so long as he doesn’t pitch himself out of that role.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

ron villone 2.0

ron wasn’t even a loogy, he was a floogy

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Dear lord, the RV word. I'd mercifully forgotten that sordid episode. . . Kind of . . . .

Mike Maroth – Kip Wells. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

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by akaitori on Nov 28, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

a fucking loogy?

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Nov 29, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Groupon in stl has a deal on WS balls signed by David Freese

Havent checked the normal price to see if it’s actually good or not

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 28, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

How much?

I have free groupon money.

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by RiverRat on Nov 28, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Groupon is for $140, normally $309

After a quick google search I found them other places for $150-200. So its a good deal, just not a great one.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Nov 28, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I would cut KMac before Boggs

And this is great by Mozeliak if he sticks to it. The number 1 way to shed money of payroll is in the pen.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

Brian Roberts is 33, has played 100 games in the last two years, and has 2/20 left on his contract...

how much would you pay for Roberts? The concussion symptoms have gone away and he should be ready for ST.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

Would the O's want to trade Roberts?

the guy has been a mainstay of that team for a long time.

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Nov 28, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be so sure

Ownership loves him. Buck loves him too. And the O’s are much more loyal to their own guys than most other clubs in baseball. They paid him more than market value to stay, and should he return to form, he’s easily worth what they’re paying him for the last two years. What’s more, why would they trade him? They have good young players coming up and a chance to maybe turn things around a bit, so why would they salary dump the guy they consider to be the face of their franchise a couple of years ago?

If things break right for them, they could compete in that division. But a lot of things have to go right.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps they could trade him for prospects in areas of need and/or

to clear MLB roster spot for an upcoming second baseman (I don’t know if they have an upcoming second baseman). With their pitching, it seems the Orioles are at least a couple of years away from competing for the postseason. Roberts likely won’t be around when they are at that level. Trading him may make the most sense. Of course, right now, his value is at its absolute lowest.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at their roster

It’s got a lot of good talent. Not Yankees and Red Sox levels of talent, but good talent nonetheless.

Hardy and Wieters were 4 WAR players last year, and both Markakis and Jones struggled. If Roberts comes back and is healthy, that solves a lot of problems, as does bringing in a real 3B and letting Reynolds DH. He is a good 3TO hitter, but his defense essentially erases everything, a la Adam Dunn. They are a solid team up the middle, but need help on the corners of the infield. Not such a bad problem to have.

Pitching wise, Matusz, Arrieta, and Britton are all better than they showed last season and are all cost controlled for another 4-5 years. Guthrie is a decent #3 starter who got left in a lot of games to get shelled last season. They really don’t have an ace, but one of those top 3 could become one — they definitely have the stuff.

This isn’t a team that is 7 players from becoming a contender. This is a team that could add 3 players and be competitive, assuming that their pitching staff breaks right for them.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, the pleasures of optimism.

I’d give anything to have even half that good a feeling about the O’s.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 28, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it possible

for a team that loses 90-100 games yearly to have a “mainstay”? And if it is, what exactly is the value of having one?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 28, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

not much: even if the symptoms are gone, he's still 33

And at serious risk for being out long-term with another hard hit.

He’d have to stay healthy and play at a fairly high level to be better than our existing options.

I might take on $2-3m a year, but I think the o’s would rather keep him at those numbers.

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by tom s. on Nov 28, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No thanks

If you’re going to get a injury-questionable 2B, just resign Punto

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Pardon me, but iirc Roberts has shown much more offensive potential in the past than Punto.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but he also costs a lot more

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it?

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Roberts is better than Punto, yes

I would rather sign Punto because he’s cheaper, but Roberts is more like Furcal.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

How does that make my comment silly?

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

because you made it

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Because, aside from being injury-questionable, Punto and Roberts are pretty much incomparable

I’m not stumping for acquiring Roberts, but their contracts aren’t their only difference.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course they are different but they are also both options at second base.

Both have very good walk rates. Punto is better at defense. Roberts unquestionably has a higher upside on offense but his recent injury problems make it questionable about whether he will ever reach those levels of offensive production again. I’d rather pay less than $2MM for Punto than, depending on what, if anything, Baltimore would eat of his contract, $6-to-$10MM for Roberts

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, Punto is a better option at 2B considering contracts.

But the original comment about Punto being the preferable injury-questionable 2B made no mention of that.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure it did.

Guayzimi’s comment that Roberts had 2 years and $20MM on his contract and asked how much we would pay for Roberts. Rui replied that he didn’t want Roberts and that, if the Cards were going to bring in an injury-prone second baseman, they should just sign Punto.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

they fill completely different roles

you could sign both of them, or neither of them. signing Brian Roberts pushes DD to utility IF, and gives you, theoretically, your starting 2B for the rest of the year. signing Punto has you start the year with DD at 2B and has Punto as your primary defensive backup at at least two positions.

you could sign both of them, let Furcal go, start TG at SS, start Roberts at 2B, and have 2 backup IF, like we had most of this year.

i just think your comment is bizarre.

by tehzachatak on Nov 28, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

There is some question about Punto's ability to play an infield position other than second base after his arm injury.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Roberts is many times the

offensive player Punto is. He would (in theory) be a significant boost to the Cardinal offense, which is already really good. But the dude can’t stay on the field; he’s one of those really good players who will never get his due because you can’t become a star while on the DL.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 28, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yo this MLS ish is nuts

There was an expansion draft last week, and our starting left back, Seth Sinovic (who we picked up on waivers for nothing. Good moneyball player study example) got taken.

We just traded our longest tenured player (200+ appearances for the club, captain, still a very solid player) to get Seth back. It’s like if Allen Craig were taken in an expansion draft, and then trading Chris Carpenter to get him back

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

that's pretty crazy.

How can somebody on your starting squad even be susceptible to something like that?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You get to protect 10 players (and then you can add another player to the protected list if one of your players gets taken)

So you have to balance that list with key current players and then your prospects for the future. This was actually a pretty heady move on our part because if we would have put Davy (captain) on the unprotected list, he probably would’ve been taken and we get nothing in return. Since we put Seth on it, we get him back PLUS $$$ in return for Davy

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

that's an interesting way to handle it.

I had no idea how that went on in the MLS. Is it a case of where the captain was over-valued by another club? Or is he still worth that much?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He's probably not worth the 260K that he's getting

Sinovic only made 32K this past year, so that’s a difference of 230K plus the allocation money that we received in return. But they’re an expansion team, and a 31 year old forward who can still play, who’s been captain for a LONG time can be very valuable to them. They have a lot of new pieces and young pieces at that, so I think he’s going to be pretty successful for them; he just had no room to play here. Great business move, but tough emotionally

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Attendance is fine

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i suppose this is true.

up there with the NHL and NBA, at least. i notice SKC got a 7,000 person/game boost by opening up their new place.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the new stadium holds 7000 more people than the old one

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much, yeah

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I think it's incredible important for people to remember that this is a 16 year old league

Its ascension into the mainstream would actually be considered relatively rapid, in the big scheme of things

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Just signed a big TV deal with NBC/Versus

Attendance per game numbers are higher than NBA or NHL

What’s mainstream?

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Casual fans being aware of the league.

Most casual sports fans can tell you who won the NBA Finals, Super Bowl or World Series in a given year. I bet most folks don’t know who won the MLS Cup this season and the final took place a week ago.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Was it Kansas City?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

They didn't even make the final!

They lost to some team called the Houston Dynamo!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

In all fairness, Dynamo is pretty tough

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Nov 28, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So mainstream is defined by how much ESPN decides to cover it?

If so, then yeah, that word was probably too strong, but the general point remained

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN is the definition of mainstream sports nowadays.

It’s too bad MLS signed with NBC because now ESPN will give it the NHL treatment and barely cover it. As compared to, say, Yankees-Red Sox ON SUNDAY NIGHT BASEBALL!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN probably would've given it the NHL treatment anyways

They already do for the MLS games they DO show

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't watch much ESPN so I'll have to take your word for it.

But it doesn’t surprise me that ESPN would treat the MLS in this way.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

for example, i know who won the finals and the super bowl

even though i watched neither (well, i watched a little of the super bowl, but not the end).

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

what bgh said.

casual fans at least being aware the sport exists would be a good start.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If you asked folks who the best player in MLS is, what would they say?

I could participate in a discussion on this question for MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, and tennis, but would be in over my head with the MLS.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Beckham, probably

Who’s actually a very good choice. As is Henry.

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have probably said Henry but I don't think I watched a full Red Bulls match this season.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Henry is in MLS?

seriously, here, i’m being completely honest, i had no idea.

by tehzachatak on Nov 28, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, New York

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have said Beckham or Henry because of their worldwide fame

and without knowing how their stats necessarily compare to the rest of the league.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Now if you’re talking for “Best value for your money” then those two players get booted out for guys like Kyle Beckerman, Brad Davis, Shalrie Joseph, Graham Zusi, et al, who casual fans don’t know, but in terms of absolutely best, yeah, they’re way up there

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would you say are the top 5 players in MLS?

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's see

In no order:
Beckham
Henry
Brad Davis
Dwayne DeRosario
Brek Shea

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I guess Donovan should be on this list

Take Brad Davis out

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Embarrassing for a former LA resident

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Freddy Adeui?

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Adu?

No. He’s pretty bad. There’s a reason that Philadelphia left him unprotected in the expansion draft and Montreal didn’t take him

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I was kidding

His, Donovan’s and Beckham’s are the only names I know from soccer.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

what happened to all that hype?

I know very little about it, I just remember them talking about a 15 yr old phenom several years ago.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No technical skill, really

Played a few mediocre years in the MLS before going over to Europe and failing spectacularly. He improved quite a bit of a second-division Turkish club and then made some good international showings, so then the Philadelphia Union signed him this past year and he was a non-impact guy. He’s still just 22 though

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that's a bit broad

He’s quick, but his passing is not particularly creative. He’s good with the ball at his feet and can beat a guy one-on-one. It’s more his game awareness than anything, I suppose

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Americans love to say guys like Joz and Adu are "just" age X

Messi was close to being the greatest player on the planet when he was “just” 21.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 28, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd bet soccer players peak much younger

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I would guess actually have a pretty similar aging curve to baseball players

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

really? with all of that running?

baseball player’s defense peaks around age 24.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe a bit earlier since they can break in earlier

But I’d say players peak around 26 or 27, and they retire around 34 or 35 generally

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes this is a good comparison

Jozy’s actually having an incredible year for AZ. From the few games I’ve seen of him there, he’s much more confidence and making much smarter runs as a forward.

Like this:

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Aw stupid VEB

Link

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

So fast he doesn't show up on film!

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by TBender on Nov 28, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Not comparing them as players

just that the rest of the world elite youngsters go on to become elite veterans. America’s mediocre youngsters go on to become mediocre veterans.

Like I don’t care that Pete Kozma is “only” 23. he stinks.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 28, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He still has a few years before he's reached his peak

Age only means something in relation to expected peak, nothing more, nothing less.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

it’s more mysterious when he works his magic off stage

by BVHeck on Nov 28, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

holy fuck.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you holy fucking the run he made or my SBN fail?

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

the play itself.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah man

When he’s got confidence, he can be a really good international player

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

DeRosario would be ahead of Davis I would think

but I don’t know as much about this as you do.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

this very true.

even with tennis, which is borderline dead in the US in terms of having title-contending players, most people at least know who the best players are and when the tournaments are.

pre-rui, i couldn’t tell you there was an MLS team in kansas city. i couldn’t tell when the season ran, when the finals were, or who was in it.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Sporting Kansas City is their name now.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

haha i know

but i knew about the wiz way before they became skc, is all

by BVHeck on Nov 28, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i would have said Donovan

and i’m guessing in an open ended poll some people would say Clint Dempsey, and if i remember right he plays in the Premiership.

by tehzachatak on Nov 28, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Revenue

Especially gate revenue. How much are people wiling to pay to watch these games? You know the numbers better than I do; Am I wrong in guessing that ticket prices to soccer games are significantly lower than NHL/NBA games?

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunno, don't go to NBA or NHL games

Members stand tickets were $20 a game, regular seating were like $35

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, how good is DC United's Chris Pontius?

I went to HS and college with the guy, so everyone I know loves the guy, but idk anything about soccer so idk if it’s just local hype or if he’s legitimately good. I understand he’s on the national team now too.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Very good player

Blew out his knee at the end of the season though. Shame

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap, didn't hear about that.

Clearly I’m out of the loop.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Average Ticket Cost

is a shitty way to measure this, but here’s a link to the NBA’s tickets for the upcoming season: http://goo.gl/VsGkI

Could the Galaxy or United or the NYC team get $250 for the AVERAGE ticket? I think not.

I think MLS is becoming a very good league and that’s going to entice more people to come play in it. But it’s got a long way to go before we can compare it to the NBA or NHL.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

You play in stadiums that are nearly twice the size of and NBA or NHL arena, so one would expect that you would have better attendance, simply because you have more seats. It’s like comparing total attendance for basketball with total attendance for baseball — apples to firetrucks.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Not compared to the XFL.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

HE HATE ME

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

wish that guy had done well in the NFL

and then legally changed his name to Rod He Hate Me

by tehzachatak on Nov 28, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to introduce you to Europe.

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\mm/

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2011 10:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

any good cyber monday deals out there?

(hey VEB, what’s up? been off the web for a while)

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by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

I posted a Google offer upthread. $40 for $20 at Newegg

Combine that with one of their Cyber Monday deals and it could be pretty sweet

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

they're sold out.

which makes no sense since it’s a coupon, so there’s not really stock, but of course they want to limit the amount of people getting 50% off.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

31/M/MO

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Already made the joke, asshole

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Debating on buying this

Spy Net Recording Night Vision Goggles for $35 shipped

Was thinking of getting them for my younger cousins. It just seems to bad add not to buy

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 28, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

bought

someone’s going to be the coolest brother in law in the world this christmas.

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by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what I am saying

I would be thrilled as a kid to get nightvision goggles.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 28, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

my coworker just bought 2 for her little boys

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i got one for my little brother.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm considering buying them for my older brother

in hopes that he’ll realize that he’s a responsible adult with a family and will give them back to me.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

it's the type of thing i think is awesome

but know that i would never use.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

wooooo ?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I would get my 14yo a pair,

but the potential consequences are frightening.

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by RiverRat on Nov 28, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

All RR would have to do is walk thru the house buck naked and the kid would never wear them again.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, hey there, uncool dad

didn’t see you sitting over there in the corner scowling at everyone.

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by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it's ok

his dog ate his cake

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The real question is: Do they come in monocle form?

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 29, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

booyah

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

those are glorious

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

you know

now that I think about it, I actually have a set like those. Only mine aren’t night-vision so I’ll need to get a pair for the just in case occasions.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

now I really want to buy a pair for myself, you guys

you know, for deer hunting

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

or

just pick them up at Wally World for $40.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 28, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

out of stock

already checked.

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by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all fun and games...

until you walk in to mom and dad’s bedroom at 2 AM wearing these.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

thats why mom and dad should lock their door

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If the kid just barges into mom and dad's room at 2am

with anything less than ‘the house is on fire’ or ‘my appendix just burst’ with those on, he deserves what he gets.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Garza has two years of arbitration left.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Can Garza play SS?

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by nomar34 on Nov 28, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

no

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We wouldn't need to trade that much anyway

Garza was 10-10 last year and the Cubs are stupid.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Theo's regime cares that much about pitching "wins" and "losses."

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah, Theo's the gm now

I don’t know – remember Smoltz and Penny? That was ERA, but wins aren’t that far off (actually they are).

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

to be exact

theo’s the president of baseball ops. jed hoyer is the gm.

by BVHeck on Nov 28, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think they even know who's in charge of what up there.

I just think of them as the Cubs Front Office Hydra of Awesomesawce.

#HappySeason

by The Continental on Nov 28, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Garza is a near ace...

and Cox and Martinez have significant bust potential… I think I’d do that.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

NO

Sign Roy Oswalt!

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oswalt could cost...

2/24 or 3/36. The price for starters seems to be inflating quickly this year.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

MLB just sent me an email promoting a sale on tickets for two weeks.

It took me to the Ticket Master website, which tells me that no baseball tickets are currently available. Is this nothing but a Selig fail?

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Or is it just a Ticket Master advertisement sent out via MLB.com's email?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

This one, I think.

Meanwhile, Blues have some games 50% off today.

#HappySeason

by The Continental on Nov 28, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul Bearer and TV threads are fine

but all this soccer talk is crossing the line…When did this become VEMLS?

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by nomar34 on Nov 28, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions   5 recs

when in doubt about the soccer talk, blame rui.

when in doubt about anything else, blame fang.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

debating if a sport is mainstream

is an obvious indication that it is not mainstream

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 28, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah man sorry for breaking up all the baseball talk today

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

blame me.

I have a habit of asking a seemingly innocuous question and it turns into something.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Didi miss all the sOccer talk?

And yes, jozy is finally coming into his own…he has been the US’s best player over the past few internationals

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 28, 2011 4:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Says more about the play of his teammates, no?

I don’t get what Klinnsman is doing at all tactically. Playing Edu as a CAM, Danny Williams as a right winger… They’re not bad players, just horribly misused.

Orosco-fiscal is actually a bad player though

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

my view on klinsmann and the current state of the USMNT

but klinsmann- although very different from bradley- plays not to lose just as much. more specifically- he doesnt give us any chance to win. beckerman, i mean, theres just nothing to say. he covers his area well defensively- got it. i agree. he offers zero going forward, cant hold the ball, actively gives it away in horrible positions. ALL. THE. TIME. but he covers his area well. thing is…so do bradley, and jones, and edu. probably danny williams too, not that i know. and theyre actual soccer players. i swear- its like the joke of putting in sumo wrestler in goal for a hockey team. so thats the first spot im offically declaring is wasted under klinsmann, which is why we are wholly impotent…and there are three.

the other is the second cm spot. he insists on using players there that should be where beckerman is. edu had, i thought, a very strong vs. france. linked up well, covered ground , took care of the ball. not as strong in the second, but my point is- he had a very nice game…for the spot beckerman was in. so the central midfelder dictating play, being a part of the offense in any way AT ALL? there wasnt one. they were both filling one position.

and danny williams, bless his heart- i dont know if i like him or not. he does nothing. doesnt offer anything offensively on the wing, doesnt defend anything on the wing…all he does is make me appreciate cherundolo. as batshit crazy as this is we would be better off with rogers than him on the wing. now you know im not saying rogers would be a good thing, but he would advance the ball into their third of the pitch before doing nothing- and that would be a HUGE improvement.

i said it a few games back- and i stand by- donovan fixes a lot of that. if we can just worry about the cm that will be huge. shea dempsey donovan behind jozy- im not worried about our offense, im worried that we- wasting that spot on yet another d-mid- dont get to our offense. not sure how quantifiable this is, but jozy has been fuckin dealing lately.

so you have that front four, the back five is pretty set (as long as we are talking decisions between gooch or goodson and chandler or lichaj…hopefully not orozcos inadequete ass)- ANY combination of bradley/holden/torres/jones/edu behind them make us an undeniable full class better team than we are with beckerman and nothing on the right. again, on williams- not sure if he would be better than beckerman, but he sure as hell wouldnt be worse. and again again- its not that beckerman is the worst, its that he offers nothing positive, and it will never ever ever ever ever ever change.

dempsey waits for a foul way too much, but because of everything else what else can he be doing? backpassing, or holding. either way, our attack is just completely neutralized. shea wasnt great in the last round of internationals, but not bad. chandler…defensively good, but offensively im just worried. and heres the thing- he just doesnt get his body right, doesnt get the angles right. the only time hes on the left is with the national team- and maybe over time itll be more natural- but you can see his first game was awkward, second game much better. against france- awkward…hes just not comfortable there.

boca and goodson are good, i think, howard is amazing, dolo is just retarded good- and i say that seeing him get beat for speed down the side a lot more these days due to age, but i mean- hes been basically our 10 shirt. thats absolutely a knock on our team, but its a compliment to me. hes the only reason we EVER get in the attacking third of the field.

so in closing- fuck klinsmann for the way he is going about stuff. its getting stupid, and this shit needs to stop. hes made changes i like, hes brought in a lot of players so i like that- but he is intentionally, and fucking happily- infusing the team with mediocrity, and praising it. theres something to the idea of a team being greater than the sum of its parts, that maybe you use a guy whos not great individually who plays his role better than someone more talented, but thats not the fucking case with beckerman, or edu as the 6, or williams on the right, or orozco…ever. its got to stop. this isnt bob bradley bad. at least bob bradley was mediocre with (mostly/reasonably close to) our best players.

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 28, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

tl;dr

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 28, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

its glorious

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 28, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just kidding i read all of it

No time to respond right now though

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

In conclusion

Howard————————————-
-—————————————————————————-
Dolo, Gooch/Goodson, Boca, Chandler
-—————————————————————————-
-——-Edu———————-Bradley———————
-————————————————————————-
Donovan——-Dempsey———-Shea——-
-————————————————————————-
-———————-Altidore———————————-

If that team is starting every international game for us, we’ll be fine. Hopefully he was just experimenting and will never tried those experiments ever again

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Never again, SBN. Never again

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, this for the most part

if holden ever gets healthy, and returns to form, maybe him pushing up a bit in place of edu…the likelyhood of this happening is low however, as i long ago decided that Holden is my boy, which automatically gave him the Arsenal injury gene

the problem with this lineup is that bradley refuses to play just as a DM, but in theory, bradley as our DM, holden as our box to box playmaker, and the front 5 you have there is glorious

unless we find an actual left back, i’m worried that by the time Brazil 2014 rolls around, Dolo will be ancient, and i’ll need chandler on the right

GOS, we need a left back

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 28, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Just keep Chandler there. That's better than any other option

He and Brek played some brilliant soccer together along that left side in this most recent run of friendlies

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I finally watched all of Firefly and the Serenity movie

The movie was actually pretty dang good. Loved the entire Reavers thing

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 28, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah the movie was pretty good, epsecially considering the long haitus and the restrictions involved in a 2 hour movie

The Reavers thing was something I wish they would have explored more in depth in the series. I liked the initial diagnoses (they were men who reached the end of the universe and saw nothing) rather than the one in the movie. The chemical thing seemed a bit of a cop out and unrealistic.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the initial diagnosis was the legend--what folks out on the edge of the universe say about the Reavers.

I think the show would have explored the Reavers more and eventually wound up at the place where Serenity finishes.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think they used the movie to play out the main plot line that was supposed to be in the series

Anyway, the Reavers were sort of integral to one of the big themes of the entire series, so if they had a different origin it would kind of mess with that.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I know it was just a legend

But it seemed cooler than the actual reason. I don’t necessarily think the conclusion would have been the same if the show explored Reavers more, if Whedon was constantly writing and thinking about the show he would have had a different train of thought.

The final episode of the series hinted some more complex themes than the movie eventually addressed with regards to both Reavers and River.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think storytellers of Whedon's caliber typically know the broad arc before they start the story.

I think some that arc has also been fleshed out in the comics.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

There were comics?

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

LINK

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

J.C. Corcoran wants you to know that
Repeating. This is not how I treat people. It’s how I treat lying creeps who refuse to get the message. Goes on every week. Not “news.”

So evidently, he only wants the creeps to blow themselves

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 28, 2011 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

i don't exactly understand why wishing orgasms on people

is such a bad thing.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i read this as:

il rosso wishes he could blow himself.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Never give up, you guys!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Nov 28, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

gross.

i’m more referring to the fact that “go fuck yourself” and “go blow yourself” are degrading things to say to people. i guess it’s the “self” aspect of this that makes it an insult? if you were to say to someone “go get fucked”, taken on it’s face that’s an imperative to go enjoy sexual intercourse with another human being which doesn’t seem like that bad at all. but, despite that reading, it still does mean something bad. maybe it’s because “getting fucked” is still viewed as a negative thing because it implies submission or something.

/overthinking

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i just messed up it's/its

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

and f'er and f'ee

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

there once was a man from Nantucket....

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

who JC Corcoran told to "go fuck it"

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by mtzxc on Nov 28, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Maybe an orgasm for Corcoran is the worst type of pain imaginable

Or maybe he hasn’t had one in such a long time he’s forgotten what it feels like. Either way, he’s a Class A Douche.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Being able to blow yourself IS kind of creepy.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

or a career path

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

are you a carnie?

this explains so much.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i actually type with one hand

and mouse with my foot

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

you're welcome to believe that

but perhaps i should remind y’all not to picture things on VEB

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

my dog does it all the time.

I suspect this anatomical capability is probably why wolves never developed opposable thumbs.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 28, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

so

if Toronto had somehow won the WS, would Jackson have gotten a ring?

by BVHeck on Nov 28, 2011 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

Yes.

And if Texas had won the World Series, Arthur Rhodes would have received a ring.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The only difference is that Jackson never actually played a single game for Toronto

Yes, he was technically they’re player for a few minutes in between the White Sox and Cardinals deals…but it’s like the Carlos Beltran trade from KC to Houston via Oakland. He never actually wore that teams jersey even though he was momentarily their player.

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by mtzxc on Nov 28, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

So, you're asking whether it depends on games played or games on the 25-man.

I don’t know.

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by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

But was he even on their 25 man roster for more than an hour or two?

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by mtzxc on Nov 29, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take things that never happen for a $1000 Alex. Answer, GDM having good news

i didn’t want to get everyone’s hopes up, nor did i want let you down, so i didn’t tell you last Monday i finally took the postal exam. well i got the results an hour ago and,,,,

yes Virgina, there is a Santa Claus & he gave me a passing grade of 80.5. so this means i can now apply for any job in the states. the next step is a back ground check & a drug test then applying & hopefully interviews. nothing is certain & with all the closings & early retirements they’re not hiring as many as they were going to back in the summer when i first started this process, but the major hurdle is cleared so here’s hoping an opening comes up soon & i can finally get back to work.

so thank you all for your kind words & thoughts. i really do appreciate it

PS the more things change the more they stay the same. no matter how hard or how long i study, i’m still a C student. that’s both comforting & annoying.

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

WOOOOO

(hopefully)

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

and a 80.5 is a B-, right?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess it depends on where you go

and what type of programme you’re in.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i had like the reverse of this in highschool

my high school graded in a 100 point scale and had ridiculous grade deflation, so my 87 weighted average was actually translated to an A-. Bs went down to 77, Cs went down to 65.

by tehzachatak on Nov 28, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

eh

like i said- we had ridiculous grade deflation, so with an 87 average i was in the top 20% of my class or so.

the year before us, a girl graduated with a perfect 100 GPA for the first time in my schools (at that time) 94 year history. never was that fun explaining to my parents why i had grades in the 70s all the time.

by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

C is 70's, B is 80's

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you going to do with this new found self confidence?

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 28, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

attaboy, Brain

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless they have the 93-100 is an A grading scale.

Then 85-93 is a B, 77-84 is a C, and 70-76 is a D, and below that is an F.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 29, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, well I've only had the other one

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

it is at many colleges

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Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 28, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on where you are

In grad school, it was definitely a C.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Truman? Hardly. I wouldn't put it in the top 5.

Washington easily has the top spot.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't actually plan out a top 5.

But I sure as hell know it isn’t the best in Missouri, let alone the midwest.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i LOATHE the "harvard of the midwest" thing.

but we’re probably top 5 in missouri, and certainly the best public school.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I was giving you a hard time about the top 5 thing.

I know it’s a great school, but Washington’s still the best.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Wash U is a good school

but why spend 40k (or however much tuition costs there per year) annually for a bachelors degree? It doesn’t get you much these days.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on that.

Going to a private school for undergrad is foolish in most cases.

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by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure it depends on the field

but in mine, grad school doesn’t matter that much. I went to a top 10 school in my program, and it didn’t make me any more impressive than grads coming out of unranked schools. Experience is what employers are looking for in this market.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, depends entirely on the field.

I’m in the sciences, so grad school is enormously important.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really thankful I didn't put myself into debt for my bachelors

In my opinion, Truman is the smarter choice, all things considered. Meaning that I’d go there again without even thinking about it if I could go back in time.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did you go?

I haven’t lived in Missouri since I was nearly 12, so I can’t say I followed colleges that much.
One of the perks of living in Texas is a pretty deep field to choose from.

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by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

For my bachelors?

I’ll give you three guesses. Haha.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hehe

I had a great experience there. My classes were all ~15 students and I never had a GTA or anything…only professors. Tons of 1:1 time with the profs, very challenging classes, etc. Not to mention that my tuition was only a few thousand per year. Grad school was easy after Truman.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I go to UT, which is a top school in my field

And as a physics student, my classes are really small. So I agree completely.
It’s a liberal arts school, right? I’ll confess, I have no idea which liberal arts schools are any good.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it is

My husband went to UT for his masters actually. Austin is a great town.

He’s only gone to large public schools, and somehow he has a doctorate without ever having to take a math class.

At Truman, EVERYONE does the liberal studies program, which requires calculus, biology, chem/physics, English, social science, fine arts, foreign language, etc etc. It’s like 70 credit hours of required classes.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You know they change that every 2 years or so?

I had to have like 70 hours, pretty sure, although that may have included my major’s requirement for a minor.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...

but i don’t really think of missouri when i think of WUSTL. it’s about as private as it gets.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

This makes sense.

As a Texan, I seldom think of Rice as being in Texas.
However, when I think of grad schools I wish had a great physics program, I think of Washington. So yeah, as an ex-Missourian who wants to return (and the best means for me is grad school), I automatically think of Washington.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

weirdly, I know very little about it.

It’s supposed to be pretty good research school, but I don’t know much else because it doesn’t really cater to my fields.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

UH is a great school

that gets run down by UT and A&M folks because it’s not them, and it still has that commuter school feel.

/UHgrad

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by TBender on Nov 28, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What is Harvard of the Midwest? Truman?

Because there is no way people really think that.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 28, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

engineering? no.

education? no.
journalism? no.

most other things? yes.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

physics and math.

the two best things ever.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

We have entirely different opinions

on “best things ever.”

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, I'd put baseball in the top 3

and not rank them.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think my list goes:

books, baseball, beer, and cats, in no particular order.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I love 3/4 of those.

Well, love 2, and really enjoy the third.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I love 3/4 of those.

Well, love 2, and really enjoy the third.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Really though

Isn’t baseball just physics and math applied?

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by TBender on Nov 28, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

and physics is just applied math.

so I guess I really only love math. Okay!

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

but we can back our opinions up with lengthy and confusing theoretical proofs!

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by azruavatar on Nov 28, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Why do you feel like you need to make these sort of qualitative judgments?

Also, Mizzou has 4 times as many majors, so I guess “most other things” is like a quarter of what MU offers.

From what I’ve heard from my numerous friends and relatives who went there, Truman is a nice school. I’m glad you like it. Calling it “Certainly the best public school” is just silly.

Btw, Truman has a well-regarded education program. I wonder why you picked that one out?

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by a fink on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

it's education program is no longer well regarded.

you can’t even major in education at truman anymore. you have to major in what you want to teach, proclaim pre-MAE, and then you to grad school for a year to get said MAE.

and because it just is the best public school. there are certain schools that have it beat in certain areas (like i’ve stated), but overall truman is the best school. maybe not the best university, but the best school (especially considering the difference in price).

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the difference between a school and a university?

What is the body of schools you are saying Truman is tops in?

I like that model for teaching H.S., btw.

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by a fink on Nov 28, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with you, i think it's great for high school.

but it sucks for the kids that want to teach below that level. i guess that’s when you just decide to go to another school.

truman isn’t really into the research thing. no one is a professor at truman because they know of the great research they can accomplish there. and if they are, they’re usually a horrible teacher. i’m saying truman’s school is the best, but the university as a whole may not be up to par with, say, mizzou.

and i’m including public schools in missouri. so mizzou, truman, rolla, NWMO, mo state, UMSL, UMKC, mo southern, mo western, and SEMO.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there are good and bad things about that.

There are certainly professors at major universities whose primary interest is research, and their teaching suffers for this. On the other hand, I guess I (at Mizzou, and my wife at UMSL) have run into some staggeringly, life-changingly brilliant people who wouldn’t be at a place like Truman because it doesn’t support much in the way of research. Now, maybe these people wouldn’t be teaching History 001, and maybe Truman’s more theoretically teaching-centered makes most of their basic education coursework better taught (though I don’t know if this is the case), but I doubt there are the same opportunities at the higher levels for the best students.

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by a fink on Nov 28, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

but I doubt there are the same opportunities at the higher levels for the best students.

this is a true statement, which is why truman doesn’t present itself as that much of a grad school, and it’s not. we have about four grad programs in the whole university, as the resources and professors aren’t there to support much of anything else.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, but that affects undergrad teaching as well.

UMSL has some world class (literally!) researchers teaching basic undergrad courses at times. It’s a wonderful opportunity for students.

To be clear, I’m definitely not intending to denigrate Truman here. I just think you’re oversimplifying things.

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by a fink on Nov 28, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

but as you stated, that's the exception, not the standard.

99% of kids at most public schools are going to get a TA or a scmuk teaching history 101.

speaking of, that’s another thing truman has going for it. number of grad school teachers i’ve had in my time here? zero.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I go to one of the largest universities in the nation

and I’ve never had a class taught by a TA.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, sort of.

It’s less of an exception than you think. The opportunities are many if a student wants to pursue them.

As far as “99% are going to get a TA or a schmuck,” I guess I was the 1%.
In my undergrad degree at MU, I think I had exactly one GTA (who was terrific!), and nearly all of my professors were excellent.

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by a fink on Nov 28, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

what a weird tangent for a post about you passing the postal exam.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 28, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

welcome to the off season at VEB

i can’t imagine what it’d be like if we never made the playoffs

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 28, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably

a lot quieter.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

and a lot angrier

probably more joy TLR is gone

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I have had very few GTAs at Clemson.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 29, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is actually a good method.

Do they have a child development or something like that major?

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 28, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Oregon has child development

I plan on taking it sometime.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Do its better, jerk.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Nov 29, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Is this not highly subjective and different for every person?

You saying Truman overall is the best school in Missouri as fact seems horribly stupid.

will do ANYTHING for a rec

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2011 4:21 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Not the Harvard of self-awareness mirite

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

now you're just being an ass.

if that wasn’t the case before.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

seiu?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

ee-yi-ee-yi-oh

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

1. we’ve established this

2. we’ve also established that i hate the nickname

3. ass

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Sleeping?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 28, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

NOBODY PUTS CLANK IN A CORNER

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

NOBODY PUTS CLANK IN A SPOTLIGHT

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't referencing REM, dammit

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe he's not into Patrick Swayze

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

kids today

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I went to Colorado College

everyone knows that Harvard is the Colorado College of the east.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 28, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

CC is expensive enough these days to make that true

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by TomCat009 on Nov 28, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, really?

Washington’s considered to be one of the best in the nation. Top 20, usually.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I'd never even heard of Truman before Fang

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd heard of Wash U

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a world renowned med school.

who hasn’t heard of WUSTL?

everyone needs to realize that truman and WUSTL are on nowhere near the same playing field. and i’ve admitted that now, several times.

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Look here, Truman haters

BACK OFF, ASSHATS!

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Truman sucks lol

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Once called Northeast Missouri State

(NEMO)

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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 28, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a really good school

Really small classes and certainly the most affordable good school I know of in the area.

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

of course it is when you factor in

the downright frigid temperatures.

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\mm/

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2011 10:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

-

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Cliff Clavin

approves this message.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Sam: How's a beer sound, Norm ?

Norm: I dunno. I finish them before they get a word in.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What's new, gdm ?

gdm: Terrorists, Sam. They’ve taken over my stomach and they are demanding bourbon.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats!

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

you are awarded one attaboy!

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hey good for you.

It’s tough to find a good job these days. Does this mean you are going to be happy and positive now?? I’m just kidding. We all do the best we can. I’m getting ready to retire. So I can be cranky all the time.

TortyCraig
My guess as to the meaning of Yadi's neck tattoos is that they are the symbols from an ancient civilization for "Caught Stealing."

by spfldbird on Nov 28, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd for

Virgina

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by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

gdm > tebow

well done sir!

and we won the world series.

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 29, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can I get some clarification on this Syracuse situation? Did they fire this guy or just Fine him?

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

they fired the assistant coach.

i assume that’s what you’re referring to.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Clarification: Is joke. I'm aware that Fine is also the guy's name.

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey guys

did anyone see who won the baseball championship thingy this year?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Rui's Mom ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   5 recs

I did rec it but

I really feel “/Lozano” would’ve been the go-to response there.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If Lozano is on the tip of gdm's tongue

I don’t even wanna know what the fuck is going on.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

eeewwwwwww.....

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: I suck at this, but I know some of you guys are into this stuff

I need a new laptop, can anyone recommend any good brands? I can spend up to 1300 dollars (although I hope I don’t have to spend that much).

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Husband's macbook is starting to crap out

Think he’s had it almost 4 years now? My friend’s macbook crashed after a couple years though. He had to get a new one.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

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by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It crashed....

after two years. I would call that a problem.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops, yes

tough little bugger

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Nov 29, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

heh

i’m impressed. i have an iBook graveyard in the corner of my house with like 3 dead ones. mine crapped out after 4.5 years, IIRC. those machines had a lot of logic board flaws. i also beat the living shit out of my computers, so i probably shouldn’t complain.

by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking about that, but I didn't really want to pay extra for Bootcamp and such

I have a few friends who did this as well, and they all regretted not getting a cheaper brand without the mac side.

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

delloutlet.com

you can pickup a dinged/used/refurbished laptop for $400… and I think they offer a warranty.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Apple is good people

I dropped mine off my top bunk bed twice and it still works (despite a little monitor interference). Plus no viruses. After 30 minutes of porn on a Dell it gets spammed to shit.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

what type of laptop do you want?

are you looking inexpensive or very good windows machine or what?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

5400rpm HD is questionable at this point,

but other than that it looks nice. i’d grab a laptop drive off newegg and stick it in when you can afford to do so.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

how bad is 5400rpm HD?

I have no idea what that means

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not inherently bad, it's just slow(er) than other available options.

the read/write speed on the drive (how fast the stuff on the drive is accessed, basically) is tied to how fast the drive spins.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

samsung makes good shit, though.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Slower, but better battery life.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Nov 28, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I would do this if I had a nice tv

too bad my current computer has a better resolution than my current tv

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, I'm not super worried about resolution I guess

I like to multitask so having something on the tv portion while still using the computer is pretty key imo.

11!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 28, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I got the Sony blue label from Best Buy. I like it.

It’s very similar to the S series sold at the Sony website. Their website is well organized with good information available. I have no complaints about support. (as yet)

TortyCraig
My guess as to the meaning of Yadi's neck tattoos is that they are the symbols from an ancient civilization for "Caught Stealing."

by spfldbird on Nov 28, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The first thing I would suggest with any laptop from best buy

Is to install a fresh version of windows. I bought my dad a laptop for Christmas last year, and it was so bloated with best buy’s “performance apps” it crashed non-stop (core i7 with loads of ram). I installed a fresh version of windows, windows found missing drivers, and boom! fast as hell.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 28, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Do I have to pay extra for a fresh installation?

My old computer came with a “recovery disc” that I fooled around with, but I’m not sure this one will…

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Toshiba?

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Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a Toshiba and now have an Apple.

I thought both were good laptops but I like the Apple better, even if it is much more expensive.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I do as well

And this is kind of weird, but I haven’t found anything even close to the Twitter for Mac app, which means surprisingly much to me

It looks like work is going to be giving me a new Macbook Pro, which is pretty sweet. This one’s starting to feel pretty outdated. Also, I spilled beer on my keyboard so I have to use an external keyboard at all times

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by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I spilled a cup of coffee on my Toshiba laptop keyboard and then replaced it.

It’s annoying when you spill on your computer.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll looks into this

I’ve been looking at dell, sony, asus, and nothing has really looked outstanding. I’m thinking of getting a vaio, but ehh…

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

sony's tech support is awful

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the best time to buy laptops is when the college kids are going to school,

but I could be wrong. I’d check Gizmodo’s list of Cyber Monday deals.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I missed the back-to-school sales

My current computer keeps randomly restarting on me (by any chance, anyone know what that’s about?), so I’m looking for a new one right now. I need one pretty soon, so I was hoping to get at least a cyber monday deal. I’ll take a look at that list though.

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

These suck

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Says the fellow who bought a Dell to watch porn on

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It wasn't a Dell, it was a Toshiba actually

I don’t know the difference.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I love my HP Pavilion dv-5-1233se Special Edition Notebook PC

Got it when Circuit City went under, never had a problem with it in, what, 2 years? Almost 3, now, I think.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 28, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

asus

i fail at teh subjunctive

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 28, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

asus is by far the best option

low prices from newegg, great return policy, excellent support and repair – almost always for free.

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 28, 2011 7:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'll give you a quick rundown

Kimchi is the national staple, although people in the US are more partial to korean bbq places. Starcraft is a game played by many koreans to the point of obsession. Literally, obsession. This is K-pop, aka Korean-pop. Infamous in Japan, even more so in the US for its sheer annoyance.

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

merit badge for summation

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

You are giving out a lot of merit badges lately

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 29, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I realized upon doing search one day that there was a huge gap between them

so i resolved to do better

anyone can give out merit badges, btw.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

With the new 2nd Gen Core processors

that should be less of an issue.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I recently caved and bought an HP DM4

has the quad-core I2-26?? processor, a huge HDD, a nice ATI graphics card, and I got it with windows 7 and the latest MS Office installed for about $900 shipped. I hated the shiny screen at first (after loving it in the store) but after some time I’ve decided it’s actually better than the one on my work laptop, and very superior to my old one. You just have to get used to looking at it from an angle.

I’d recommend finding out what you want by going to places like fry’s and messing around with settings. Once you’ve ID’d the box, watch techbargains.com for special coupons that match the laptop you want. I got mine when HP offered a $400 off coupon for laptops over $1299, so I maxed out the DM4 and added HW/SW to get it to just over 1300, then took the discount.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Nov 28, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Good luck

Every HP laptop I’ve ever been associated with has caused me nothing but problems soon after it was purchased.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

this is what I heard from a bunch of my friends

apparently the hardware wasn’t very durable and they broke quite easily. I tried to stay away from HP this time

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That is way to much to spend on a laptop

$800 max and that would be loaded. This is not a bad deal. I would get a 2 year warranty for it. Laptops last like 5 years now.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 28, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

that is a nice website

I already bought the samsung one I posted above because of shipping concerns (I need this asap) and I had a best buy gift card I wanted to use, but I’ll check that out next time I need something. Thanks for the help!

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the Acer Timeline series

They have three different screen sizes and the battery will last from 6-8 hours on a single charge.

ASUS also makes some very good machines.

Depending on what you’re looking for performance wise, a good Acer or ASUS notebook can be had for $600 – $800. I’d go with a 2nd Gen Core i5 with 4+ GB of RAM if you’re going the PC route.

Of course, with 1300 you could just get the really good MacBook Air, which is what I recommend that you do if you can work on a Mac.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a very good-looking computer

But looking at some of the user reviews, a lot of people are saying it’s too fragile. which is a huge concern to me, because I’m a clumsy moron when it comes to laptops. But it looks really really nice. I’ll keep that in my list

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the suggestions everyone

I didn’t think anyone would really take my query seriously, but color me surprised (boy, do I hate that idiom). You guys are awesome!

by hr on Nov 28, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Lenovo

not quite as awesome as the old school IBM thinkpads back in the day, but a thinkpad is still the best and most dependable pc laptop on the market imo. I’ve got two and can’t see myself changing brands.

…unless you’re looking for a gaming computer. I don’t know what’s good for that.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Nov 28, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Hot stove

Tigers and Angels interested in Aramis Ramirez
Jose Molina signs one year deal w/ team option w/ Rays

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 28, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Are there any more Molinas out there ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

sig

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I’m not THAT new

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Question about growlers

How long does the beer normally stay good?

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

week, week and a half

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Nov 28, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh okay

So I don’t have to chug this entire thing in the next two days then? Awesome.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If you open it

it’s going to go bad in 2-3 days. Unopened it can last 7-10.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Nov 28, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh shit

This is what I get for getting a growler of beer that my husband doesn’t like. Probably should have just gotten a six. (chugging in process).

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Working on it!

THIS BEER IS REALLY GOOD, YOU GUYS!

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Somebody should do a thesis on "The effect of DadBoner on modern syntax"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I will admit to adding to my thoughtspeak

even if I don’t say it aloud.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting.

i tried to read dadboner once and didn’t find it funny.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Communist!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you finished

A Song of Ice and Fire yet? Or you know, what’s out.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I started the first one last month

I’m on A Dance with Dragons now.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always liked Littlefinger

I am still wondering what he has planned for the last two books. The end of Storm of Swords was completely unexpected

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Nov 28, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

NO SPOILERS DAMN YOU

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

it is known

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm a little tipsy and can't remember how that one ended

right at the moment. But I found book four to not be as strong as the previous two.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

DO NOT SAY HOW IT ENDS

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

HARRY POTTER DIES

Wait…

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

St Louis

zombies!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

hah.

nope. i still haven’t cracked open the third book. work got busy, and then world series, and then grandma health problems, and then family visiting, and then skyrim.

have you?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm on book five.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Nov 28, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You could follow @AnnWelzein for supplemental information

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't either.

Until I started seeing it real-time instead of as an archive. It works well as an account that comments on current events. It’s also amusing the way it slowly unfolds in a cause-effect sort of way.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

so is it a real person's account,

as in what they say is true? or is it a character?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Nov 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

WHO KNOWS

But probably a character. But one of the best fleshed-out characters Twitter has ever seen

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

character.

I’m not going to say it’s hilarious, but it definitely has its amusing moments.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Who?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 28, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I for one admire

Monday drinking. I invented Maker’s Monday when I was laid off last winter.

"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
\mm/

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2011 10:16 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I've never had to worry about that.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 28, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

stfu

haha

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Passan on the Pujols free agency situation.
Albert Pujols(notes) shouldn’t panic. Yet. It’s just that unless he’s ready to pull a Cliff Lee(notes) and keep his dalliances with a mystery team secret throughout the entirety of his free agency, the interest in Pujols has been surprisingly quiet.

Whether that equates to a paucity of teams going after him is unclear, though three executives last week suggested the number of landing spots for Pujols is frighteningly thin. A team-by-team rundown with those executives placed the St. Louis Cardinals as heavy, heavy favorites – "I’m 100 percent certain he’s going back there," one said – with … well, there’s the rub: They had trouble identifying another team Pujols seriously would consider.

LINK

Heyman tweets:

hearing #cardinals aren’t moving up from 200-210M for 9 they offered albert before season. still the team to beat tho

Calcaterra comments:

This is what happens, of course, when no one else is really bidding on your target. So far the only other offer anyone knows of was the Marlins’ less-than-competitive one. The Cardinals are not in the business of bidding against themselves, so unless or until someone comes in and tries to steal their first baseman, they should hold firm.

MLB Daily Dish takes it a step farther:

Anyone think #Cardinals could actually lower Pujols offer? Nothing like bidding against yourself.

I don’t think that. It doesn’t seem to me that it’s any quieter around Pujols than Fielder or Reyes at this point, but I bet business is about to pick up.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

big names don't usually sign early

Texeira signed just before Christmas a few years ago

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Nov 28, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Pujols will sign at the Winter Meetings.

It seems like the big free agents have done that in recent years.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Soriano? Rodriguez?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Nov 28, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

11 years ago

absolutely all the conventional wisdom had ARod going to the Mets as the winter meetings started. It was a foregone conclusion said all the “experts” and people with “inside information”. This situation with His Mangness feels eerily similar. I definitely want Albert back, but a quick resolution would have important benefits. If AP goes elsewhere, Mo would be able to spend some money on any or all of a second baseman, shortstop, right handed hitting fourth outfielder who can play center and/or LOOGY.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Please don't sign a loogy.

There aren’t any good ones out there on the FA market. Better off looking for a Minor League FA or trying to thrust Gast into the role. Not a reason in the world to pay 7 figures for a lefty reliever.

#12in12

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 28, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

Pitched for 1.2M last year. 9.5K per 9 innings.
Or Mike Gonzalez (did he have postseason surgery?)

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think so...

his knee was obviously fucked. I’d also throw some money at Javier Lopez – I think he’s available.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Lopez.

I don’t think he’s a free agent and if he is, he won’t be cheap…I think he was around $2.4 million last year.

#12in12

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 28, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Lopez signed recently

for 2/8.5M
(sigh)

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 28, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ah...

wouldn’t have paid that much…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

god

i hate relief pitcher prices now

by tehzachatak on Nov 28, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

wtf

Pawn Stars is selling a STL Rams Lombardi trophy

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

I saw that

I also had no idea there were 400 of those things out there, but I guess they end up giving them to a lot of people in the organization.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

apparently the replica trophies were a special saint louis thing

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

I guess I changed the channel before that part. I was really interested in Bourdain/Naples, but now I’m afraid my wife and I will miss Come On Man if we change it back to that.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

won't they rerun the Bourdain?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I honestly care more about Come On Man than the actual game itself. It’s kind of strange how much we like it. Baseball withdrawal could be a factor.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess playing the most baseball games in a year pays off.

Playoff Shares per AP

St. Louis Cardinals	$323,170
Texas Rangers $251,516
Milwaukee Brewers $133,511
Detroit Tigers $126,902
Tampa Bay Rays $ 30,758
Philadelphia Phillies $ 30,401
Arizona Diamondbacks $ 26,675
New York Yankees $ 26,239
Atlanta Braves $ 11,089
Los Angeles Angels $ 10,862
San Francisco Giants $ 10,690
Cleveland Indians $ 10,366
St. Louis awarded 51 full shares, 11.962 partial shares and eight cash awards.
An illustrated guide to playoff shares

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

oh yeah

sorry, I got caught up programming the pre tag

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How did they come up with .962 of a partial share?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 28, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

squirrels.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Quickly

Mitchell and Ness powder blue authentic Willie McGee jersey for 42 dollars.

Yes?

by OKCardsfan on Nov 28, 2011 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely.

Make sure the eyes are yellow and there is not a white border around the BOTB.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I did it before that

but looking around the exact same jersey is going for 299.99 so I’m thinking I just got duped but it’s cyber monday so we’ll see.

by OKCardsfan on Nov 28, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It's important to make sure that it isn't a Chinese knockoff Mitchell & Ness

or a bad Majestic powder blue. The original Cardinals jerseys had yellow eyes and did not have a white outline around the logo. Also, the Mitchell and Ness version of Willie McGee has a black arm band on the sleeve. Here is the Mitchell and Ness version. You can click on the image and zoom in to check it against what you may be buying.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ken Boyer died that year.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That looks real to me.

But, as a warning, I once had a vendor utilize the official Mitchell and Ness image and then sell me a Chinese knockoff. He refunded my money, though, after I informed him of the misrepresentation and that he had defrauded me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why we

have Iheartboog! Also I figure I’ll have to wait 2 months before I finally get it.

by OKCardsfan on Nov 28, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is what you have to be careful of.

Not the plumper birds, black talons, and white eyes.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

do they have large talons?

"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
\mm/

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2011 10:19 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

The bat looks correct, the Cardinals' talons looks correct, the eyes look correct, and there's no white outline.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The site looks

a bit sketchy so I have my fingers crossed but 42 bucks was hard to pass up.

by OKCardsfan on Nov 28, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing when I came across it.

Earlier this summer, I held off on buying the McGee jersey from the website you linked. But, it was right after the guy sold me one that was the above-picture knockoff like I wouldn’t know any better so I may have been a bit skittish on buying one so cheap. I bought it for $100 on Friday from Mitchell and Ness.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

So what do I do

if they try to screw me? Have you write a strongly worded letter?

by OKCardsfan on Nov 28, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you buy it?

I’d look at the website for a returns policy. I’d also see what state they are based in. The guy who tried to rip me off was on eBay so I had a built in advantage. He did not want me going to eBay or writing a bad review. You don’t have that, it would seem.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

My sister and I told each other that if the Cardinals won the WS we would get the powder blue unis. I would get McGee and her Ozzie. I was in a hurry and went with the authentic one that was cheapest cause I’m a cheapskate. Now it looks like I can order off Mitchell and Ness for 100 and have a 42 dollar mistake. So 142 for one is not so bad I guess.

by OKCardsfan on Nov 28, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Mitchell and Ness sale ends tonight.

If your sister is getting an Ozzie Smith powder blue, tell her to beware of the back. Ozzie only wore powder blue from 1982-1984. In 1985, the Cardinals switched to grey. In ’82, ’83, and ’84, Ozzie had “O. Smith” on the back because Lonnie Smith was on the club. He never wore a powder blue jersey with just “Smith” on the back.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The things

I learn on here. Anyway I’ll let you know how this turns out but now I don’t have my hopes up…Merry Christmas jerks taking advantage of us small fry’s!

by OKCardsfan on Nov 28, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

the amount of nerd in this sub-thread is amazing

"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
\mm/

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2011 10:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

So, if you were to buy a tablet

what tablet would you buy? Also, any good cyber monday deals on tablets out there?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

i looked at those

if it were for me, it looks like it would work. But, this is for someone else. Functionally she’s going to want something that records video.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

is that the only option

or the best option? Or both?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

essentially and yes

i think tablets are kind of dumb in general, but there’s no question that no one has asserted themselves in the market like apple has

if i needed a tablet, there’s no question, that’s what i’d get

by prophetjohn on Nov 28, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

I think it is a stupid product too. But, if it makes the misses happy, I’m happy.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The world eventually needs to stop making stupid products

Because people will buy them if they are cool in anyway, and eventually the entire world is going to be filled with trash.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

wow man your like a philosopher man

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 28, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm like an idea man, man

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

you're

better fix this before ISGIGA reads this thread

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Dang

beat me to it.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, I think it makes sense for most people

I pretty much only use computers for internets. Sometimes music. Only on occasion do I type stuff up on word or excel (which you can do on tablets anyway).

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

if it's replacing your computer than it makes sense

But a lot of people have both, and an iphone to boot. there’s a lot of overlap there.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, this is something I was thinking about.

I’m not sure which I’d prefer: iphone or ipad. I’d probably keep my laptop, but I’d just leave it for times I had to use idk, stata or something. Or saving data or whatever.

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This one is almost as irksome, TC009

(by the way, are you licensed to kill?)

then, not than

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

being in Colorado do ever listen to Mike Rosen

he has a monthly segment where a linguistics expert calls in and they correct peoples misconceptions about different idioms, and figures of speach

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Avert thine eyes, VEB, I'm about to go political...

Mike Rosen is right wing hack and I am a knee-jerk liberal (emphasis on the jerk). Suffice it to say, no, I don’t listen to him.
/politics

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure there is

But, then again, which device of those three could replace the other two? For portability and ease of use, the tablet is probably the best of the three devices.

We’re just scratching the surface on what tablets can do, imo. Android ICS and the iOS 5 will continue to build out the software and more and more apps will be built for a tablet platform as people get used to the idea of computing from a touchscreen device. The business applications for tablets are nearly infinite.

The problem I have with the iPad is that it really isn’t a standalone device — it still relies on iTunes for system updates and registration. That’s probably why I will go with the new Transformer Prime to replace my existing laptop (which I will then sell and recoup 2/3 of the cost of the tablet), while ponying up for a mobile broadband MiFi for internet on the go.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

it still relies on iTunes for system updates and registration.

not anymore. iOS 5 has fixed that issue.

by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I just think that at a point you have to stop making new products

They really are terrible for the environment, and they don’t address any of the serious issues that are bound to come up in the near future (food and water shortages, etc.).

Obviously Tablets have value to many people, but at some point you have to stop making things just because they have a bit of value. You need to start identifying what’s actually important for life (and I undestand there are going to be some hard breaks).

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

unfortunately, an uncontrolled free market doesn’t address these issues, and you have zero incentive to do this. (btw- this is not politics, just economics). until we have appropriate regulation in this country, this will never happen.

by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are tablets dumb?

I don’t get this line of thinking at all, yet I hear it everywhere.

If you do a lot of reading from the web like I do, they are a great device. Also good for presentations, watching YouTube from my couch, etc.

Also, team up a 3G or 4G tablet with Square and you have a portable cash register capable of taking in credit card swipes.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, team up a 3G or 4G tablet with Square and you have a portable cash register capable of taking in credit card swipes.

or an iPhone, or an iPod touch. just saying, I actually find Square more convenient on an iPhone.

by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

this is also an option

but, the only use it would get for recording right now is the baby laying around. Then I could get a video camera for christmas next year. . .

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by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Gizmodo has a list of Cyber Monday deals

HERE

There is a tablet section.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

took me a bit to get this to work

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by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

probably where we will end up

I was hoping someone would do my research for me and find me a great deal on one.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd pre-order the new Asus Transformer Prime

First Tablet with a the Quad Core Cal El in it, and you can add a keyboard docking station to it.

It will get the ICS upgrade in January as well. Best tablet out there right now, imo.

Other than that, you can’t beat the price on the Kindle Fire, but you also don’t get the full Android Market either.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

how about

samsung galaxy?

I’m basically ignorant when it comes to these things

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

so

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/pirates-would-consider-offers-andrew-mccutchen-.html one guy says here that the Cards would not trade Miller for McCutchen straight up let alone package him, what do you think

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by TomCat009 on Nov 28, 2011 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

Of course they'd trade him or package him with others to get McCutch...

Someone like McCutchen is basically impossible to acquire at any price. I’d clear the farm for him, give him the Upton contract and we’d have 6 win cornerstone in center for six years.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Bucs will have their pick of top prospects anywhere if they want to trade him...

you can’t start things off by telling them your #1 is off limits.

The real question is why the Pirates want to trade him. Maybe he refuses to sign a long-term deal. Even then why not hang on to him for another couple years?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I just read the linked article, and I don't think they really are.
7:03pm: A high-ranking Pirates person told Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the team hasn’t entertained offers for McCutchen to this point and has no plans to do so. Kovacevic’s piece strongly suggests McCutchen is staying in Pittsburgh.

Then again, same thing was said about Colby (under very different circumstances)

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Nov 28, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlos Martinez is better than a lot of teams #1 prospects.

Add in Tyrell Jenkins, Oscar Tavares, and Zack Cox and thats a serious stable of prospects that not many other teams could match up with. I don’t even think the Cardinals would do that deal, actually.

I think the Pirates will basically be forced to trade him within a couple years, by his lack of desire to sign there (speculation).

After his arb years are up, the Cardinals couldn’t afford him anyway (assuming they sign Pujols). I’m sure he’ll approach $20 million/year when the time comes.

#12in12

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 28, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

With all the pitching that we currently have in the minors,

I’d deal Miller for McCutchen straight up FOR SURE. Mo would be NUTS not to do that.

In fact, I’d probably deal Miller, Jay, and another player for McCutchen. I’m not parting with more than one of our top SP prospects, but I’d give up, say, Matt Adams if we re-sign Pujols. And the Bucs could really use Matt Adams.

5 WAR CF don’t grow on trees. You have a chance to get a cost controlled one, you best do it.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 28, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He had a rough September

But his wRC was over 100 for every other month of the season and he was worth 5.7 fWAR even with that shitty month.

.277/.368/.455 for his career with average to above average defense in CF and will be incredibly cheap for another 2 seasons. Yes, I would trade a top prospect straight up for him right now if given the opportunity.

Imagine his .368 OBP and speed at the top of our lineup.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

also

Astros Obtain Permission To Interview Friedman

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 28, 2011 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

This would make a lot of sense for him,

if he gets the Theo Epstein deal….which i think he would.

#12in12

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 28, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yeesh...

whats next…Cashman to the Pirates?

#12in12

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 28, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Our enemies are cornering the market on Jewish Wall Street geniuses...

while we have someone educated at the University of Colorado.

We’re gonna need a bigger boat…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Aww CU isn't so bad

CU is considered to be part of the “public ivies” there is a good reason why players end up in Stillwater or Manhattan rather than Boulder where there are 4 Nobel Prize winners in the Math and Science department/

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 28, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Theo AND Friedman coming to NL Central?

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED*

*In five years

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 28, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

(Astros aren't in NL Central)

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by mysterui on Nov 29, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yea, not after 2012 anyway.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Cards-Astros WS in 2013!!!

Texas remains cursed…

Cards fan in Middle East

by Shloz on Nov 29, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

1989 World Series Game 3 on ESPN Classic

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 28, 2011 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

and McCarver was saying stupid shit back then too

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 28, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

"You know Al, earthquake is a six letter word."

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Nov 28, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh wow, al michaels with an absolutely horrible joke
theres rickey henderson’s mom, she just recently had a new phone installed, and she told rickey not to lose that number

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 28, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

that joke aged like bum wine

"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
\mm/

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2011 10:25 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think McCarver has probably been saying dumb things since he first filled in for Howard Cosell.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 28, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I rec that everytime I read it

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Classic

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

tony phillips played 2B, 3B and LF in this game

vintage TLR

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 28, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

With no acorns this year,

the squirrels have gone to chewing through pumpkins to get to the seeds. Our front step looks like some kind of grisly pumpkin crime scene right now.

#HappySeason

by The Continental on Nov 28, 2011 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

A couple years ago when I was living in Arizona...

a herd of javelinas attacked our jack o lanterns. Utter carnage.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Nov 28, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

no acorns?

we are absolutely overloaded with acorns down here

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

We’re usually swimming in ‘em, but nada this year. At least this year I don’t have to listen to them fall on the roof while I’m trying to sleep.

#HappySeason

by The Continental on Nov 28, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

back early in bow season the deer were barely moving because there were so many acorns they didn’t have to go far to get a belly full.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 28, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Same thing happened at my house and my parents' house

My best guess is that pumpkins are really hip right now among the squirrel hipster population. They’re probably home-brewing pumpkin ales and making pumpkin bread and pumpkin ravioli and crap like that.

by mattybobo on Nov 28, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Man, I don't believe this

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2011 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

Computer type people,

what is the cheapest decent computer that i can use to play Skyrim?

And if I buy it and drop out of life can I crash at your house for a few hundred hours?

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 29, 2011 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

if you are going cheapest possible

you would have to build your own. assuming you have a lcd tv/monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers…$450, maybe significantly less.

2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 29, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

thats just for the tower, obv buying the monitor, keyboard, ect cost quite a bit

i built a pc recently for ~650 and it runs skyrim on high with all the bells and whistles easily.

2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

What's a good site for instructions on how to build a computer?

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Nov 29, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

wiki

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_To_Assemble_A_Desktop_PC
reddit has buildapc section where you can learn a lot about assembly and which parts are cheaper.

it really isn’t very complicated, mostly just plugging stuff in and hooking up a few wires

2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 29, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

If you're doing this...

may I recommend that you source all the parts yourself and then put all that stuff in a tote. Find a good local computer store that specializes in bare-bones computer assembly and carry said tote there to let them put it together for you. Yes, this will cost you an extra $50-$100, but will save you hundreds of dollars worth of headache in the long run.

I used to build 20+ computers a year for friends and relatives, now I build one or two and I let someone else assemble them for me after sourcing all the parts online. Much easier, much less stress.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

and we never saw him again

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

does the WWL let stu scott talk non stop for more than 30min after every MNF?

because if they do they’re a hell of a lot dumber than i thought

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

idk cuz i don't watch handegg

but they do seem to let him talk a lot. A lot more than I would prefer.

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm not lying, 12am SC comes on&they throw it to him & 2 other idiots

i kept checking ever few minutes & he was still going till just after 12:30, that’s just stupid

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The man is insufferable.

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I watch the game.

And then I turn the fucking TV off.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

matt millen has a job as a football analyst

sets the bar very very low

2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

he may be a good broadcaster

but I can’t listen to someone that ruined a franchise. it would be like if ed wade got hired by espn for next season.

2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 29, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Steve Phillips had a job at ESPN

that is at least as egregious

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Millen is actually a very good analyst

He never should have left the booth to take the GM job of the Lions.

Compared to Randy Cross he’s a genius.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm
The Royals have some interest in Colby Rasmus because of concerns that Lorenzo Cain may not be ready for an everyday role, Elliott reports.

Link to MLBTR

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by mysterui on Nov 29, 2011 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

Because there is nothing wrong with Lorenzo Cain

What is the complaint about him? I think he hit like .312/..380/.495 or something in AAA.

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

PCL

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Does this mean we can trade for Lorenzo Cain and put him in CF to start the year?

Because, well, I’d do that tomorrow.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 29, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

That's easy

Peppermint Schnapps

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 29, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

this

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, this for sure

i like Bailey’s a lot, but nothing beats peppermint schnapps and hot chocolate.

by tehzachatak on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I would try Bailey's

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

dammit i have non of these but i have hot chocolate, i thought i had some hid

looks like the bro got them too. jerk

wouldn’t Bailey’s heated up be good on it’s own? have you guys tried Carolyn’s? it’s the cheaper version of Bailey’s. i actually like it better than Bailey’s sometimes

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

kahlua works alright if you have it

if it is too bitter you can add a little sugar

2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 29, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

i had a bottle of that, vodka, Carolyn's & jager hid & it's all gone

it’s gotten to the point where i can’t have any alcohol in the house or he’ll drink it. dammit i wanted a celebratory drink & i can’t even have that.

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Bailey's is good always.

Haven’t heard of Carolyn’s though. Is it a regional thing? How much cheaper is it?

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

it's half the price of Bailey's, i've always seen it right beside them up here

not sure if it’s everywhere, i assume it is, especially since ohio has stupid liquor laws so if it’s here it should be everywhere

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...I'll keep my eye out for it.

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen

by Cardinals645 on Nov 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

after a few drinks you won't be able to tell the difference

i never would have tried it had if it wasn’t half the price of Bailey’s & i’m broke. Bailey’s & Kahlua are stupid expensive for what they are

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean, seriously. d-dee's fanpost.

I set it aside for a bit and started looking at it again tonight. I’m just marveling at it anew.

#HappySeason

by The Continental on Nov 29, 2011 2:20 AM EST reply actions  

are you sure you don't just wanna marry d-dee?

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

d-dee's married already

at least he could have that as a substitute

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

you spelled IHB wrong

dammit, i fear i’ve said too much

Balls

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

So who's the setup guy?

Obviously Jason Motte has become our closer, which I’m sure Matheny will have no problem announcing in spring training. The question is: who sets him up. Kyle McClellan was terrific in that role in 2010 with his 2.27era, lest we forget. If he goes back to straight relieving it’s very possible that he becomes comfortable in that position again. Then there’s Fernando Salas; he closed for quite a while until he petered out. With less pressure in the 8th inning, maybe he settles in and does another standout job for us. Don’t forget Lance Lynn of course. TLR fell in love with him very quickly and he seems to throw a heavy ball (ask Molina). Lance was outstanding in short relief. He could very well be the bridge to the 9th. How about the underdog pick, or at least mine anyway, Eduardo Sanchez?! I love his strikeout arm and he could be the best of them all. Maybe even Marc Rzepczynski; he was exceptional in the post-season and if it’s lefty sluggers coming to the plate you know it will be Marc getting the call. And what about Mitch Boggs………….well okay someone has to be the mop-up long reliever. Anyway, we have 6 terrific arms in our bullpen already and you can pitch them in any damn order you want and they’ll be effective. Much better then the crap Mozeliak put together last season to start the year. Sure we could maybe add another lefty, but my first choice would not be Arthur Rhodes. One thing is for sure; the 2012 bullpen is not of concern at this point.

by Wileyvet on Nov 29, 2011 2:25 AM EST reply actions  

late night VEB yo

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

--
One thing is for sure; the 2012 bullpen is not of concern at this point.

I agree with this and it was good the last couple months this year. It was very annoying to hear the post-season announcers talk about how bad the bullpen was. Most of those guys weren’t on the roster anymore. I’m very excited to have Kenny Powers (sanchez) back. I was really hoping he was going to be ready for the post season, but he just wasn’t quite ready.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Nov 29, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

John Mozeliak's Smart Approach to Building the St. Louis Cardinals Bullpen

This was tongue-in-cheek right!? His approach was atrocious as you’ve shown. For the record Walt Jocketty had more to do with the super bullpen we ended the year with as it was he who added Motte, Salas, Sanchez, McClellan and Boggs to the organization. Not to mention Carpenter, Wainwright and Garcia. Yes I will give Johnny credit for adding Batista, Augenstein, Miller, Tallet, Westbrook and Lohse to the mix. While I don’t think Mo is one of the top GMs I will give him credit for the trade with Toronto that put us over the top. Jackson, Dotel and Rzepczynski were great for us. Colby Rasmus may turn into a star (if he grows up anytime soon) or he may not and even though we only have Rzep left to show for the trade. We have a World Series title and that’s all that matters. Thank you Colby for forcing a trade.

by Wileyvet on Nov 29, 2011 2:45 AM EST reply actions  

Well Mo's guy was in charge of the drafts and international FA

That brought in many of our current bullpen pieces, so I could be said that he had far more to do with the construction than jockety

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

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