Morning Thread: Matt Kemp and cetera
by DanUpBaby on Nov 15, 2011 9:01 AM EST
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PrintThere aren't a lot of comps for a player like Matt Kemp—at least, unless you're willing to look at previous Los Angeles Dodgers who had outstanding contract years after coming up relatively early and failing to improve on their debuts. It's strange—Kemp has been better than Beltre was prior to his particular 10 WAR season, but his career year came on both sides of the ball. Beltre's story's been told enough times on the sabermetric internet by now—an erstwhile bust made good by his still-stellar defense and a contract that rapidly became a relative bargain.
But Kemp doesn't have any true, obvious talent to fall back on—his solid-to-excellent offense got more excellent, and his middling-to-average defense got above-average. And with three extra years the Dodgers have lashed themselves to New Beltre until he's 34, by which time most center fielders not known for their defense are no longer center fielders.
I'm skeptical that $160 million was the only way they were going to lock him down, but I understand the Dodgers' position here—it's something like the one the Cardinals face with Albert Pujols. Signing him after what he did—which was a remarkable season, peak-Jim-Edmonds on offensive—proves the Dodgers are still serious despite an off-field carnival that's been anything but. They won't get a superstar over the life of the contract, which makes this a bad long-term move, but what they've done is sign a superstar.
I'm still on deadline elsewhere—VEB'll be back to its excessively verbose self soon.
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I have a feeling that New Beltre
is going to turn out about as well as New Coke.
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Nov 15, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions
Not the same, post-cocaine.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how anyone, regardless of political position, could deny it was a funny moment when he couldn't remember what to say.
Heck, Perry made fun of it himself in the next debate.
That said, it’s probably best not to discuss it further.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't Kemp arbitration eligible?
If I were LA, I’d have used the impending sale as cover to put off extending Kemp until he showed his 2011 was repeatable.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 15, 2011 9:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He wouldn't need to repeat it...
if he went back to being his 2008-09, 4-5 war self he would’ve gotten Crawford/Werth money at least. And I think he’s an excellent bet to do that in 2012
Sign Roy O
Kemp would've made about $17M this year...
so really it’s a 7/143 extension… That’s slightly more, but with salary inflation going strong, it’s in line with those other guys.
Sign Roy O
The odds that Kemp puts up lower than a 4.5 WAR season are much greater than the odds that he puts up higher
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
His average over the past three years is 4.5 fwar and 6 bwar...
and he’s going to be 27 next year. “Much greater” seems hyperbolic.
Sign Roy O
It's a fact of all players
Kemp is much more likely to be injured, or put up a 2 WAR year than he is to put up a 7 or 9 WAR year. That’s why you never want to give a long term deal unless it’s necessary. In this case it wasn’t necessary.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Look, when you are as rich and financially stable as the Dodgers, sometimes you just gotta spend some dough.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 15, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
This long-term deal was as necessary as it gets...
given the Dodgers market and revenue, its attendance, and the atmosphere surrounding the club.
Sign Roy O
Why couldn't they have done it after next year?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
They could've...
but there would’ve been extreme competition from the Yankees, Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Red Sox… all the big boys. How could that not drive his price above $20M AAV?
Sign Roy O
Because
the Dodgers would then be bidding against teams like the Yankees and Kemp’s feelings may have soured towards the Dodgers that they didn’t attempt to sign him prior to the 2012 season.
On top of this there are other things at play here. The Dodgers are up for sale. The current owner obviously feels that having Matt Kemp signed long-term 8/160M will add value to his sale.
8 years is steep and I don’t think any serious Dodgers fan expects him to play CF through age 34. This deal is valueing his current true talent level at right around 5-1/2 WAR. This contract puts his true talent level in the last year of his contract at about 2-1/2 WAR. There is obviously a lot of risk involved, but if you think Kemp is a 5-1/2 WAR player this deal is right on target.
by Xeifrank on Nov 15, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sure?
i think it is a total of 14 WAR over the last 3 years
160M for that kind of output is 4.2M/WAR, when the going rate for in-force contracts of upper echelon players is only about 3.2M/WAR
hope they sell a lot of jerseys
TLR is gone, long live the king
wait
i thought the going rate was ~4.5M/WAR
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
he's making a distinction between the rates for all players and those for "upper echelon players"
Obviously 7 WAR players don’t get $31.5MM AAV contracts. WAR/$ is not linear in practice.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 15, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
wow
is tango always that passive aggressive?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Sometimes
especially on the non sports posts. But Tango is actually pretty cool, mgl on the otherhand…….. well …… I’m sure he has had his food spit on at more than one restaraunt.
by Xeifrank on Nov 15, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea he has always struck me as a jerk
just surprised how P-A tango seemed with this post
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
what do you expect from a guy that spells his first name with only one L?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
ah i see
missed the “upper echelon” part
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
All the evidence ever has shown the $WAR is in fact linear in practice
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
it's just, in practice, basically there is an upper limit to how many
wins over replacement a player can be.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
actually not today
a lot depends on how you calculate the rate for longer
contracts
if you just amortize the contracts linearly, the actual $/WAR is not regular in any fashion
TLR is gone, long live the king
it's only a year out...
Braun and Tulo got extensions five years out with minimal or no discount (depending on inflation projections).
Sign Roy O
Well. . .
he’s giving up upside risk (in case he puts up a 8-10 WAR year in 2012, he will be worth more than 8/$20) and in return getting an extra $5-7M in 2012 and insurance against suffering a CEI or CLI.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 15, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
$17M? On what basis?
He made $7.10M last year after incentives as part of his two year deal that was signed in ‘09. There’s absolutely no way he gets a $10M increase in arbitration. It’s simply not possible. At most he would have made $12M next year, and more likely he would have gotten around $9.5M-$10M.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I think he gets 15 million
He had a Pujolsian year.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
That would be an unprecedented raise in arbitration
Especially for Arb III. Howard was a special case and his initial increase is the only one that comes close to that.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
eh maybe not $17 million...
but definitely more than $10 million. Ryan howard went from $900K to $10M in year one of arbitration.
Sign Roy O
That was a special case, with special circumstances.
Also, Philly’s counter offer in that case was in really poor taste. Had they countered with something around $6M or so they probably would have won. But since they kept him in the minors for 2 extra years and then low-balled him, he got a huge increase.
Kemp signed a contract in ‘09 of which the terms were agreed to by both parties. He couldn’t negotiate with other clubs, but that has no effect on arbitration increases.
I have a hard time believing he would get more than $12M for next season.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
$17MM is about right.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/projected-arbitration-salaries.html
According to the model (which you can link to through the above link), Kemp was expected to get $16.3MM in arbitration this year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 15, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Let's see if Napoli goes to arb and gets his amount
Then I’ll buy that Kemp was going to get $17M.
Otherwise, I’m still not buying it.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
he definitely would have earned more than $9.5 million,
but clearly it’s not going to happen since he has a new contract anyway.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
FWIW -- I think that's a patently ridiculous number
Especially considering everyone else on that list.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
+1
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 15, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
it's eight in the morning, you think VEB won't be verbose
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i need some extra-strength unicorn
I’m not sure why this tweet creeps me out, but it does. i mean, what would strauss find “fascinating”?
http://twitter.com/JoeStrauss/status/136265645326209026
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
change the locks, Matheny
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He likes the cut of Matheny's jib.
He finds the warm feelings brewing in his heart for the first time, fascinating. He had forgotten, long ago, that he had a heart at all. He thinks he might like this new manager.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
oh there better not be any whispering
/old meme
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Grinch?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
who was the first cardinals pitcher to toss two complete-game victories in one day?
Mercilessly persecuted for my opinion of Gus Johnson since Fall, 2011.
wow, you're old.
pitching like that in 1917, and posting on veb in 2011. :-)
Mercilessly persecuted for my opinion of Gus Johnson since Fall, 2011.
by threadkiller on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
EvilFrog is really Arthur Rhodes?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bill doak.
Mercilessly persecuted for my opinion of Gus Johnson since Fall, 2011.
by threadkiller on Nov 15, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
please allow me to interduce myself
I’m a man, of wealth and taste.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Nov 15, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Pleased to meet you.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 15, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hope you guess my name
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But what’s puzzling you is the nature of his game.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
this wasnt really in the song, right?
cause if it was, my whole life just changed…a lot
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
hey i have that calender!
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 15, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
cool. i thought it would be nice to share.
of course, it would have been nicer if i’d thought of it in january.
In love with the new Gaknar avatar.
by threadkiller on Nov 15, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I would always be leary..
of signing guys to long term deals after big contract seasons. It makes me think they didn’t try in other years. Anybody got any data on this?
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 AM EST reply actions
My bad
Do people still say that?
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Nov 15, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
it used to be a more sophisticated conjunction
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Conjunction junction, what's your function?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hookin' up words and phrases and clauses
But they’re shipping those jobs overseas now.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Leary's dead
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
no no no no he's outside
looking in
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Coaching notes
At least some members of Tony La Russa’s staff are not expected to return, although pitching coach Dave Duncan is planning to return, and both Mozeliak and Matheny want third-base coach Jose Oquendo back.
The club has decided to promote Class AAA Memphis manager Chris Maloney (one of six to interview for La Russa’s job) to the major-league staff and is expected to elevate Springfield Cardinals manager Pop Warner to the Memphis vacancy.
Is Moz going to fill out
Matheny’s entire staff for him?
Who's saying Matheny didn't want any of those guys?
Matheny was a roving instructor for the team, so he knows Maloney.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Maloney's hung out around the big club a time or two
there’s been sightings of him in the dugout during those VEB “who is that guy?” moments
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Who's say Matheny wanted any of those guys?
We’ll never know. But Moz put Maloney on Matheny’s staff.
Duncan and Oquendo would be wanted anywhere
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
Part of the justification for choosing Matheny was for organizational stability / continuity
so it shouldn’t be surprising that his coaches are mostly company men.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently
He’s the godfather now
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So who does Maloney replace? And who is on their way out?
Mike Matheny Manager Mark McGwire Batting Coach
Dave Duncan Pitching Coach
Dave McKay First Base Coach
Jose Oquendo Third Base Coach Joe Pettini Bench Coach
Derek Lilliquist Bullpen Coach
Jeff Murphy Bullpen Catcher
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I'll never bold again... ew...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
me too.
I think McKay will be gone as well. They’re the only two, besides Dunc, that could be considered TLR’s guys, and not organization guys.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
McGwire could be considered a TLR guy.
He has been with Tony far longer than he has been with the Cardinals.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
McKay, Pettini Out
Big Mac, Duncan, Oquendo, and Lilliquist stay. Who knows about Murphy, Matheny might bring in his own bullpen catcher.
I’m guessing that they bring in an experienced bench coach to help with day to day routines, lineups, and clubhouse monitoring — or they might just upgrade Oquendo to that job and give the third base coaching gig to a new guy.
I think that Oquendo gets brought back due to his role in the clubhouse and the fact that he is fluent in Spanish, one of La Russa’s lesser known abilities.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Yeah, I kept having to remember that Tony spoke Spanish
Don’t think I ever heard him speak it, and it was only brought up every once in a while in articles and such.
Maybe Oquendo wants out
Sometimes people who get jumped over seek other opportunities. If not manager now at StL, then when and where does he get his shot?
IHeartIHeartBoog
gibby45 is one of the less creepy people on this blog. - IHeartBoog
he may want out
But it’s normally easier to find a job when you already have one.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Matheny to Lilliquist: Want to come back?
Lilliquist says all he heard was get Lynn ready.
IHeartIHeartBoog
gibby45 is one of the less creepy people on this blog. - IHeartBoog
by Gibby45 on Nov 15, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Word on the street. . .
is that Lilliquist is disfavored. Maloney probably replaces him.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 15, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
is maloney a pitching guy?
figured they would want a pitcher or catcher as the bullpen coach
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
shrug
I report. You decide.
I was surprised by this tidbit, too, especially because Lilliquist was the acting PC when DD was off caring for his wife.
Maybe the “Can you hear me now?” guy from the commercials would be the best choice.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'd heard something about this
I was out of town and missed this, but in the late Sept series against the Mets, apparently Tony criticized Lilliquist in the paper for something or other.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Disfavored or not
he’s a reasonable candidate to take the fall for the Lynn/Motte screwup. Surely he should have known that Lynn couldn’t go.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 15, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Why does there need to be a fall guy?
The Cards won the World Championship, and the guy roundly ridiculed in the media for screwing it up is making the late night talk show circuit, counting his money, and making reservations for Cooperstown, New York in June of 2016.
It would hardly be magnanimous to forgive Lilliquist for his role in phone gate.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 15, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
also, the Rangers are in fact renovating things so the bullpens are easier to see from the dugout. (last i heard)
so it’s not like there wasn’t a pre-existing issue.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I really hope McGwire comes back...I think he is doing a top shelf job.
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Matheny might be his own bullpen catcher
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
That Jeff Murphy's a lucky son of a bitch
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by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Would bench coach
be a promotion for Oquendo? I don’t really know how the structure works in regard to 1st base coach/ 3rd base coach/ bench coach. I know they all have their duties outside of gametime, and I’m sure those relate to their place in the order of things, but I’ve never been clear on coaching staff structure.
Because Matheny
by WyoCardsFan on Nov 15, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Seems more like an even keel staff of equals...
Anyone know where you can see how much the coaching staff makes? All I can find is the General Manager…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Well,
you can pay those guys anything you want, really. I would guess that a bench coach in this instance would be a promotion simply because he would be actively involved in managing in-game in ways he currently isn’t due to being on the field. I also think that he’d be more involved in running the clubhouse, something a prospective manager should want some experience doing.
I think that’s the best move for Oquendo unless he’s offered a managerial position with another team.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Also, he wouldn't have to go stand in the sun / wind / rain anymore
so that’s a plus.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe MM will prove to have a
volcanic temper and get himself tossed from a lot of games. Built-in managerial opportunities for Oquendo!
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 15, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
Bench coaches usually take over running the team if the manager gets thrown out of a game, or is sick, or just missing for some other reason.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
...eye problems?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pringles
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Oquendo was TLR's bench coach in 1999
Then in 2000 moved to third base coach. Not sure what this means moving forward.
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Quick question – assuming you are the third base coach and you are waving a runner in. Do you ‘windmill’ clock-wise or counter clock-wise? I’ve seen both and for some reason this kept me up for a good hour last night.
I'm bi.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Nov 15, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I’m bi.
-Fritz
Now it’s official.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Braves don't windmill
They just use a limber-dick foam rubber tommahawk and chop it toward home plate
Clockwise is still "towards the plate," though.
Just depends if you measure at the top or bottom of the motion. Existential dilemma: triggered.
they should just remember that clockwise is negative and anti-clockwise is positive.
go forward? anti-clockwise. go back? clockwise.
Don’t go back though, it’s weird.
Sorry, Jack.
Still not a werewolf.
Depends on which way you're facing.
And who’s perspective we’re talking about. From the runners perspective, that’s counter clockwise. From the coaches perspective, that’s clockwise.
i’d just rather say “towards the plate”, since the plate is in the same direction no matter which way you’re facing.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
the point is that either direction can be considered "towards the plate" regardless of position..
think of a transparent clock with no numbers, only markings. clearly, the direction of home is where the “3” would be to the coach but where the “9” would be to the runner. Either way the coach motions, his arm (the clocks hand) would point towards home when he crosses the 3 (or 9).
Why not just point toward the plate with the home plate-side (or "pitching", if you're right-handed) hand (HPSH)
then bend your arm at the elbow, and then straighten it back again, pointing toward home, and keep this back-and-forth action going until the runner gets thrown out at home? To take the strain off the shoulder a bit, the coach should spread his legs to take the stress off the rotator cuff, thereby avoiding season-ending surgery.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Just use an air horn.
Then the runner doesn’t even need to look.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of airhorns,
I feel I need to share this with all of VEB.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 15, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I would do this.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'd kill somebody.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I hate when people ask me if they're supposed to turn a handle "right" or "left"
As for third base coaching, perhaps we should introduce the right-hand-rule into this. It all has to do with angular velocity and such anyway.
think of it like a wheel
and what way you make your circle is which direction the wheel rolls. that would mean counter-clockwise from the runner’s perspective/clockwise from the 3B coach’s perspective.
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
This qualifies for LOY nominee.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Wrap it up already...
you drag things out worse than the bbwaa… decisionmaking is probably as convatuted too… had it with this.
Sign Roy O
Search function has the process on hold.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I stood up and waved in a runner from second
I figured Albert was probably going to go regardless of what I did. Anyway, counter-clockwise.
Is there a standard?
Do they teach one way or the other. I think I would be counter. What about the weirdos who ‘windmill’ with their right arm? Being a southpaw windmiller is pretty standard, right?
OT, but sure to make you smile
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I don't know what the hell that was
But it was awesome. I think I actually liked Eeyore’s bit at the end the best.
I love when the song says "every day i'm shuffling"
and the resulting dance
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 15, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
repost. though halloween is over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcNoMnKjrY
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Strauss brain fart
JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
OK, now that Matheny in place we can concentrate on Davis Payne taking Blues to next level, right? #OneThingAtATime
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I have found this to be generally good advice.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, take that Davis Payne!
You just been Straussed, mofo! Oh wait, you’re back in Ontario and you don’t care about the Blues all that much anymore, and you weren’t on Twitter, and you don’t even know who Joe Strauss is.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
strauss really is the biggest asshat there is.
it’s a shame saint louis has to deal with someone that constantly trolls them and pretends that one of the franchises in the city is a huge joke.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
so is that an honest mistake or is that supposed to be sarcastic?
if it’s the latter, the Blues’ media dept should call him out
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Well, hell.
Teams such as the Rockies, Dodgers, Twins, Royals, Cardinals, Yankees, and Astros may lose out on potential supplemental draft picks in 2012, if a new report from Joel Sherman of the New York Post holds true. After talking to two executives briefed on the collective bargaining negotations, Sherman says there is a “strong possibility that Type-B compensation will be eliminated this offseason.”
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I don't get it either. There were rumblings about something like this happening a couple of months ago, though.
I wonder if they’re giving this to the players in exchange for a concession elsewhere.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I agree this seems ridiculous
Free agency has already started. Teams likely valued draft pick compensation in making in season trades. The changes should start with 2012 free agency. But I suppose if the owners agree, they can’t complain.
That's some bullshit of they play it this way
I want my draft picks!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 15, 2011 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet that the teams knew what was being negotiated slightly before Joel Sherman
Not afraid to nitpick
right
but did they know for sure it was going to take place and adjust accordingly?
if they did, then i don’t like the rasmus deal again
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
I thought the Rasmus deal had a contingent
in the PTBNL factor, depending on what draft picks we were awarded.
World Series Champions.
I wouldn’t have minded trading Pujols if we won the World Series. Who knows when it will ever happen again.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 15, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
On MLB radio
just a while ago, they were talking about how earlier this season when the Mets were considering trading Reyes, Alderson got confirmation from Bud that the rules wouldn’t change this year for Jose Reyes-type free agents. There was some confusion on whether that meant all Type-A’s or just high Type-A’s.
Because Matheny
Seems like a change shouldn't be instituted for another year or two
since teams made some pretty key personnel decisions based upon the current rules.
"Some guys smoke. Some guys drink. Some guys chase women. I'm a big barbecue sauce guy." Rick Majerus
by Fendi Hotdogbun on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see what this accomplishes.
Type-B doesn’t affect players’ value, only Type-A. This would only benefit large-market teams.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 15, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
welcome to baseball
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Nov 15, 2011 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"See this? This, minus one, is the number of fucks I give!"
by mattybobo on Nov 15, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Didn't know that you were a mathematician - as well as a wordsmith.
Classic . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I signed up back in Jan '06
My profile for some reason has ’08. Anywho, I probably read VEB 4-5 times a day. I feel like I know everyone here in a not-stalking type of way.
Not that anyone cares, but a little about me...
- I support advanced stats
- I coach hs boys soccer ( note: I do not shower with them or touch their legs)
- Not a fan of chocolate
That about covers it
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
How do you feel about the Beatles?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I do enjoy a good Franklin and can do without the beatles
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh shit
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
i think "y'all" would probably be one of the funniest things
you could say with an english accent.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I would agree from experience
my Uncle (from Bristol, UK) tried to do a Texas/cowboy accent and absolutely butchered the y’all part. It ended up rhyming w/ “Hal”.
youneverknow
Fantastic! Where do I pick up my award?
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Get this man a Franklin!
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
we employ two formations
4-4-2 with a diamond defense and a 4-2-3-1. We play the top class 2 teams in the state and there attacking styles are so different, so we try to matchup and utilize our strenghts and attack there weaknesses. It’s very difficult to use one formation in hs anymore.
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
It all depends on the the personnel
and who we are playing. Ive always been under the idea that players make the formation, not the other way around
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Is soccer like basketball?
Play 1 black guy at home, two on the road, and five when you want to win the game? Not that I don’t like playing big, slow white guys like myself.
Gotta be harder than track coach … “just stay to the left and get back as quick as you can.”
IHeartIHeartBoog
gibby45 is one of the less creepy people on this blog. - IHeartBoog
Just sayin
I’m a big, slow white guy.
IHeartIHeartBoog
gibby45 is one of the less creepy people on this blog. - IHeartBoog
Probably play a 4-2-3-1 better than the USMNT mirite
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
How do you rank your favorite fruits in the tiers below?
God Tier
Good Tier
Average Tier
Replacement Tier
Tieriot
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Mango = God Tier
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
ManGOD Tier?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
What is wrong with you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Lots of things, potentially.
What would you say is wrong with me?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
You're an econ major
No Econ major’s ever done anything cool
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That's a feature, not a bug.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of stalking...
anyone experience people asking if they can “stalk” you when you’re returning to your car at a busy parking garage, so they can get your spot? This has happened to me twice the past couple weeks, but didn’t know if this has become a popular expression. Guess I should check with urban dictionary.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I thought stalking implied an activity without consent.
For instance, a hunter stalking prey.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT MY MOTHER
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
WITH MY PENIS
Well, baseball was fun.
by Aranathor on Nov 15, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I wasnt gonna make a rui mom's comment this early in my probation
However, I was hoping that my LOY award would allow me to bypass being a probie for the next 6 months.
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but the award has not been given yet.
hr spoke to that of which he knows not.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Well, WTF?
How and when is this thing decided? I already cleaned out a spot in my parents basement next to my other trophies.
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Little League Participation?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
That’s how I got all my trophies! Except first place in the Pinewood Derby1
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
In t-ball, I was the pitcher who went through the pitching motions acting like I was throwing a pitch,
essentially telling the batter it was time to swing away. I think its fair to say that I earned my trophies.
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
More than fair.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Lurking implies that one actually reads and follows the community
all of your loy candidates just have low uids but know none of the memes, etc. of veb. Im sorry but this guy wins until furtur notice.
by hr on Nov 15, 2011 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
AJDGAF
Actually I do – I’ve been honing my lurk for 5+ years
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Don't listen to RiverRat
He thinks he owns the place because he has 20 million comments and he’s the only one who’s posted boobs without anyone getting mad at him.
by hr on Nov 15, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
you sound bitter
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
when I posted boobs, people started flaming me
I mean, what the hell? They’re boobs. If you can’t stand boobs, how can you stand the sexual jokes plastered all over this website? Jeebus, sheeple!
because they might be somebody's boobs
somebody’s mom’s boobs, even.
also, IIRC you didn’t put a NSFW anything on it. I’m sure we can stand it, but some of us like to stay employed and stuff.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
So's your face
AW SNIZZAP
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
is "snizzap" the sound of being stabbed?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's the sound of the blade snapping off in the breastbone.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe not YOUR work.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, they're part of my job requirements.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Nov 15, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you're saying posting boobs is fine.
I’m saving a link to these comments in case I get in trouble later.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
haha, no.
I think the people who have jobs that require a certain level of appropriateness should be respected.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
Already bookmarked.
#notreally
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Screw those people!
They are already doomed.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
indeed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
There are lots of people who do exactly that,
and that’s why I dropped a bookmark. I will compile my list at the end of the year, and do what I want with it. You can do the same, if you care to.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I strongly dislike bud selig
That is all
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 15, 2011 12:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
that's some hardcore midwest anger
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
but i'm southeastern
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Memphis isn't what I would call southeast.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
mid-south then
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
"Huh? What's that? I couldn't really hear you because I don't actually care."
by mattybobo on Nov 15, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
And cuz I'm old.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was disappointed the Cards had no interest in Ellis.
Committed to Descalso at 2B. Apparently they just don’t think DD can hack short, which is strange from a team that started last season running Theriot out there.
I don't think DD can hack short either, or conversely, I think he'll be a hack at SS too.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 15, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Man was nominated for a Gold Glove at 3B though!
We now have an “almost Gold Glover” at second next season!
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
And he's got a WS ring!!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Yeah, I don't want him at short either.
Just saying it’s a different approach from last offseason. I’ll chalk it up to TLR.
you're correct
but he’s one helluva pitching coach.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
An expensive, multi-year deal for a to-be-35 year old second baseman w/ a career OPS+ of 94 coming off a season with an OPS+ of 68?
Where do I sign?!?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
These are exactly the sort of mid-tier deals for declining veterans that I want the team to stay away from.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 15, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
He might be.
Some of the defensive metrics hated DD’s defense this year, but the eye test disagrees enough with those that I’m withholding judgment for another year. I don’t think he’s any better as a hitter than Ellis, but if he’s okay defensively then the cost savings are probably worth it.
I'm pretty good with never signing a 35 year old secon baseman.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I actually looked this up with the intention of a snarky comment...
turns out Rajah didn’t do anything after age 35… http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hornsro01.shtml
Sign Roy O
oh yeah...
what if we sign him to a 9 year contract and he absolutely sucks for 5 or 6 years. That would ruin the team for so long, we’d have to become Miami Marlins fans.
Sign Roy O
I'm assuming Hornsby got injured in his age 34 season and that's what caused it
but man, his inability to stay on th field his last five season must have sucked.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
luckily, he had a very cozy relationship with the manager.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 16, 2011 12:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know, really. It's probably close. Given the money (and handedness), I'd rather have DD.
Bill James projects a .299 wOBA for Ellis next year, and a .300 wOBA for Descalso. Ellis is likely a better defender at 2B – Descalso is probably just average there.
I’d just rather save money for real stars (like Pujols, e.g.) than piecemeal it out to declining mid-tier veterans like Ellis, especially when it’s not obvious that he’s a better option than an internal one like DD (or Tyler Greene, my preferred option at 2B).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
All we need is a bridge
to Kolten Wong.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 15, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
A Bridge to Wong...
was that a sequel to A Bridge Too Far?
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Nov 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bridge over the River KWong?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
We left him on an island?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I think you're underestimating Descalso @ 2nd a little, but otherwise I agree
Ellis for 9M is just not appetizing
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
If average that is a solid upgrade over Skip
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Ellis is a phenomenal defensive player.
Even last year, he was worth $4-5 million, just from the glove. In 2010 he put up like 3.5 WAR.
if he stays healthy
he is worth the contract. Dodgers infield offense is going to be very “offensive”. We need to hire Dave Duncan and turn our pitching staff (maybe except for Kershaw) in to ground ball pitchers. Should be a solid defense for the most part.
Dee Gordon FTW!
I will forever love that scrawny bastard for stealing like 30 bases in the last two months for my fantasy team.
Well he is like one of the best defensive second baseman of all time
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
His career UZR/150 is +9, so that's not all time great territory
But I remember reading a WOWY analysis on Tango’s blog that showed he was one of the best defenders at his position of all time.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I've been going off of, too.
Tango was all like “SRSLY YOU GUYS” and I was all like “SHIT!” And since then I’ve had a crush on Mark Ellis.
Seems like to be considered an all-time great defensive second baseman...
you should have to hit a little.
Aren’t second baseman just failed SSs? If so, the best defensive second baseman in the league are currently not playing the position. And the only good excuse for not being able to cover SS is if you’re a big strong guy who can hit the crap out of the ball.
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He's pointing out that being made the starting second baseman isn't entirely about fielding the position.
It’s also about NOT being able to field SS. It’s likely that Ozzie Smith (for example) would have been the greatest second baseman of all time, had he not been busy being the greatest SS of all time.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
it's the first bit
that’s confusing:
Seems like to be considered an all-time great defensive second baseman…you should have to hit a little.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Yea, I'm not sure I get that part.
I guess you have to be able to contribute with the bat, otherwise you’re just a guy that couldn’t cut it at SS. Like the difference between Barmes and Utley. (I didn’t think too hard about that comparison, so if it sucks, disregard it.)
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
if you’re a bad hitter, playing second base represents a failure (to not have stuck at SS). If you’re a good hitter, playing second base represents a success, ie you have unusually good range for a slugger.
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...I'm sorry, this is a ridiculous premise
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An all-glove, no-hit second baseman...
is like the winner of the NIT – it’s the loser’s bracket.
Sign Roy O
I agree that fielding positions are more fluid. That's the gist of the defensive spectrum.
If a 2B can’t outhit the team’s SS, then he’s really the 2nd best 2B on the team.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Except that isn't always true.
If the Yankees signed Mark Ellis, Jeter would still play SS. And Ellis would still be better at 2B.
Hence, pointless argument.
One exception to the rule doesn't invalidate the point...
in that case there are non-baseball reasons for having Ellis at second and Jeter at SS.
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Theriot, Punto
Castro, Barney
Betancourt, Weeks
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Weeks is clearly an example of a 2B outhitting the SS.
Related question: If you switched a SS and 2B, would they provide the same value?
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, for non-baseball reasons. They don't move Jeter because of egos and whatnot.
But certainly it’s not all that simple.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
There are many other cases.
Is “dumb manager” or “I dunno, that’s where he came up in the org, so that’s what he is” a non-baseball reason, too?
I would say so, yes.
They’re real problems, but they don’t have anything to do with the player’s actual abilities.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Where?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Rafael Palmeiro.
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So, eight gold gloves for shortstops, then?
Because I mean, Yuni Betancourt would play a hell of a left field, if he wasn’t so busy being a terrible SS.
by Pegasus on Nov 15, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, it's an argument with a few merits, but also quite a few issues.
Do you support OF GGs going to the three best CFers or the best fielder at each LF, CF, and RF? Same argument, basically.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
each position
i remember discussing that on these very pages back when they announced that change, actually. i know about the defensive spectrum, but at some point it seems silly not to categorize by position.
yeah, those are better.
i wish they split them up by league though.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
It's actually really difficult to separate offense and defense entirely when positioning players.
There have probably been quite a few would-be GG winners that rode the pine instead because they couldn’t swing the stick.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I think it gets silly.
Yes, defensive talent alone can’t get a guy onto the field, or ability to hit may keep a guy at a position where he’s below average in the field, or whatever.
Still, when it comes to evaluating who the best defensive players at Position X are, it’s silly to bring guys into the conversation who don’t actually play Position X on a regular basis. That’s all.
Which is why. . .
the minors are sick with good field, no hit SS, or so goes the theory. . .
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 15, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
You aren't a manager are you?
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 15, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm assuming this is a joke
Seems like to be considered an all-time great defensive second baseman… you should have to hit a little.
Your other point is stupid. I’m not saying he’s one of the best defenders of all time, I’m saying he’s one of the best at his position. Obviously if you compared him to shortstops, he wouldn’t look that great.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Interestingly, Bill Mazeroski retired at the age of 35.
Roberto Alomar at 36.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Goodness.
He’s about as good as other upper-tier defensive 2B in the last 10 years or so – Dustin Pedroia, Brandon Phillips, Adam Kennedy, Placido Polanco. He’s not as good as Chase Utley, IMO.
You know who the worst defensive 2B in the last decade is? Skip f’n Schumaker.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 15, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
exfuckingscuseme?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Looks like it has a barrette in its hair.
feathers. whatever.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I just noticed that.
apparently.
Or maybe RiverRat decided to go to the opera.
Still not a werewolf.
BR has Ellis at .9 WAR last year.
I will take Decalso at 500k
FG had him at 3.4 in 2010.
I think it’s fair to say that average forecasts put Ellis several million dollars above DD in value, anyway.
Yeah, he's definitely better than Descalso
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the Marlins offer to Reyes was 6 years/90M
Not that that will end up being the final Reyes number, but that sounds a whole lot better than the rumor mill on Pujols…
Not afraid to nitpick
Its amazing that the marlins are abandoning what they are good at
scouting and development. they should use that money to buy out their current players arby years.
seems like
every year they “go for it” they win the World Series. Then they have a fire sale…. repeat and rinse.
Engineered by professionals to give you goosebumps
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 1:19 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
it worked
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
It sounds like John Hamm
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
what is this?????
and how do i get the full film????
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
I think this will be with the WS DVD set
or maybe a separate DVD?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
will it be out by christmas?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Looks like there's
the 2011 World Series Collector’s Edition which should be similar to the other 8 disc sets for previous years. Due out Dec 6.
Then there’s 2011 World Series Champions Highlight Film which is 2 DVDs and is due Nov 22. I believe this is what that trailer is for.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Amazon has both of these much cheaper, FWIW
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
So on Amazon
there’s the 2011 World Series championship film (starring the Cards, $15) and the 2011 World Series collectors edition (starring MLB, $51).
I assume the $15 one is the 2 disk highlight set, and the more expensive one contains complete games or something?
I believe that is the case.
The 2006 8 disc set has the complete games, I presume the 2011 set will be similar.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I wish they'd do a whole season retrospective
make it like 2-3 discs or something
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I actually just ordered the '06 set
For old times’ sake.
Does the collector’s edition set include the championship film as well?
Cards fan in Middle East
I don't think it does, no.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 16, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
No.*
The 8 disc set for 2006 included all 5 WS games, 2 NLCS games (games 5 and 7), and a bonus disc of interviews and stuff.*
*I don’t think the stuff included the longer championship film, but maybe a trailer?
So the 2011 set will be all 7 WS games and a similar bonus disc, I assume.
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Success
This will make a nice companion for the 2006 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt6P-291wM8
Verrrrryyy... Coooooollll....
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I almost expected Jon Hamm to end with "the best or nothing"
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by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
'cause that's the slogan for Mercedes Benz
which he also narrates in the commercial. Which plays pretty frequently out here.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
So is Jon Hamm going to narrative the DVD?
That’s cool.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
CONGRATULATIONS
you’re the first person to actually use that expression. Your prize is in the mail.
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by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
WOW! That is most excellent, and thanks for bringing that to our attention..
That has gotten me all fired up again…Go Cards!!
by Tuning in from Korea on Nov 15, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Gave me chills
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
In a good way
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
i just ate some jello pudding. the cover on it (with the smiley face)
said “frown is a four letter word”, which made me think of mccarver’s gem:
‘strike’ is a five letter word. S-T-R-I-K-E
THEY DID IT FOR TORTY! 2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
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by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 15, 2011 1:19 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
i know it's been mentioned several times the past several days but...
just how fucking awesome is the holliday deal?
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions
This being VEB, I find it odd that BABIP has not come up in the Kemp discussion
According to Fangraphs, apparently he has a .350 career BABIP and last year it was .380? Man that seems insane.
Sorry, dead PC at work yesterday
I’ll look it up!
his line drive rate was high but not prodigiously so, around 23%
For comparison, Joey Votto—who always has extremely high BABIPs—had a 27.5% LD rate and only put up a BABIP of .349. Kemp’s is almost certainly going to regress next year and bring his numbers down.
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Kemp's faster than Votto
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Who in turn is faster than Torty . . .
. . . who in turn is faster than Yadi. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
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Who in turn is faster than Freese
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Who tossed the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 16, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
I love chocolate malts.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chain ends somewhere between a glacier and a redwood.. ..
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
We've had this discussion at TBLA
about Kemp’s high BABIPs. Yes he does hit the ball hard and he legs out a lot of infield hits. I am not sure what our conclusion was, but it had to do with xBABIP not BABIP.
Man, aging backup type MIs are going fast
Aaron Miles about to get paid?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
it was just a statement
middling to below average middle infielders are going like hotcakes (ellis, carroll), miles gonna be next?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Also, i get the feeling Ruben Amaro believes money grow on trees
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
It's all that extra revenue
from going deep into the playoffs in 2011.
by mattybobo on Nov 15, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
5 games is deeper than 3
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
SHOCKING NEWS!
Verlander won the AL Cy, and apparently it was unanimous.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions
that's really not that big a surprise you know.
pretending not to get the joke
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Could easily be Braun
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Kemp was close to a triple crown
if he doesn’t win I think that is a shame…
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
I agree
but the Brewers made the NLCS and the Dodgers didn’t go anywhere. Braun will get extra votes for that
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
they vote on that before the postseason starts right?
or at least during the division series
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
The BBWAA says:
What the hell is a BABIP?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I think its one of those new pokemon
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
New game coming out for Christmas:
Pokemon Sager
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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 15, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pretty sure the total count is over 650
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
was jok
considering i’ve just levelled up my Feraligatr to level 86, i think i’m quite good at these pokemans.
Well, baseball was fun.
...
1. Use all of Magikarp’s splash TM
2. Have Magikarp do damage with struggle
3. ??
4. Profit
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
1. Catch Magikarp as soon as you get Old Rod
2. Painfully level up, get Gyarados
3. ???
4. Profit!
Well, baseball was fun.
1. talk to old man in viridian
2. surf on east coast of cinnabar
3. ???
4. Profit!
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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I see your level 86 Feraligatr
And raise you a Red Version with 10 lvl 100s and all 151 pokemon as well as a Gold version with a level 100 Typhlosion and all 251 pokemon, and finally a silver version with a Shiny Goldeen
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'll call with a Missingno
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Twitter
NERD!
but seriosuly, i had plenty of lvl 100s on my original version of Silver and a few on Red too. Shame that i gave both of those games away in the end, i am slowly playing SoulSilver though, which is pretty good.
Well, baseball was fun.
Haven't played any since Ruby and FireRed
Not against them, just haven’t played
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
BBWAA responds:
What the hell is a pokeyman?
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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I respond:
Should I get off your lawn?
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and we vote for Ryan Howard.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Babipmunk is a Ghost-type rodent Pokemon.
by mattybobo on Nov 15, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Babipmunk evolves into Scrappybara
And then Scrappybara eventually evolves into Shrewtalent.
by mattybobo on Nov 15, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At what level does it learn TOOTBLAN?
which is essentially self-destruct, but the ghost version, and does no damage to any types.
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by flipthebird15 on Nov 15, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly expected these to get a couple recs
This just goes to show that the “overlap” portion of the Venn diagram of things I come up with that I think are awesome and that VEB thinks are awesome is not as large as I wish it were.
your fatal mistake was splitting it up into two comments.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, the Babipmunk idea came to me first
I didn’t realize I’d have the other two ideas, and by then I couldn’t un-post.
maybe it needs more japanese smilies
apparently it’s a thing now
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm watching them struggle around
like baby torchics
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
don't think that's as much of a sure thing.
neither is the al cy young or al mvp.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
who is gonna win that one?
I totally didn’t follow any NL pitcher enough to make a call.
Well, baseball was fun.
I'd really love for the awards to go to Kemp and Kershaw,
to dispel the winning team myth.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
WHAT THE HECK?!?!?!?! I THOUGHT SKIPPY WOULD WIN!!!
World Series Champions 2011. Unbelievable. Tony LaRussa, you will be missed.
Slow VEB day, eh?
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Twitter
yeah, it's really bumming me out.
i think we need something to happen.
Pujols signs with the Nationals.or something.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I figure if he's gotta go,
I’d just as soon it be the O’s or Nationals so at least I could keep watching him and not feel bad about pulling for his team either.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 15, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
It kinda would make me laugh
If he signed a massive contract with a REALLY bad team.
it'd make me sad
because then we’d know his “all i care about is winning” was total bs
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he changed his mind after his second ring.
Can’t be greedy now.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I think the Nats have a future.
The O’s, not so much.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 16, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
I just got back from doing some consulting work for a client who's first name is actually Torti (he's Italian)
He wants me to do some work for him. I believe I’m going to do it for Torti.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions 27 recs
STILL UNDERAPPRECIATED.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Nov 15, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
16 RECS
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Pick me out a phone case
http://society6.com/cases?page=5
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It's always fucking Totoro with you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It was the best one
The tattooed lady one almost got me, but I think it would have to actually say “Lydia the Tattooed Lady” for me to choose it.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
this
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That movie was weird, man
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Hard to see how it could not be this one
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hey, so do you people know of a case
that is basically just the internals of the iphone? because i’d get one of those.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
That would be pretty cool, but only Apple higher ups would know what it was.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
also, ifixit tears down each model.
also, apple used the picture in its own presentation revealing the iphone 4.
also,
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Well then.
/bows out of any further iphone discussions
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
omg
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
There's also one of an Emperor Penguin as Emperor Palpatine.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Confirm/Deny: OldHossRadbourn is the pinnacle of human culture
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
you always ask really odd questions.
do you mean to ask whether or not the twitter account “oldhossradbourn” is the highest we as a species can ever hope to get?
no.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I disagree.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
if you look at the analysis of the numbers,
you’re clearly wrong. 
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Nov 15, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Fuck, you're right
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
@DKnobler
DKnobler
Brewers have strong reservations about Furcal, probably not enough money for Reyes. May actually stick with Yuni at short.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 15, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Starts breathing. Looks back at tweet.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
(Repeat)
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - Wiki - PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE
Google+ <
Follow me @thestlcardsfan4
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 15, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Lack of pants?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Are you wearing socks?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
And in hilarious local news
I walk past this place every time i go to see my BF
Well, baseball was fun.
Looks like Willy Wonka's factory
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Olney with a great typo
@Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
Cardinals have had multiple conversations about bringing bat Octavio Dotel, which is something he’d like.
He wants to hit now?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Now that TLR's gone, there's no chance of that happening.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Bullpen Batting Practice FOREVER!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I don't know
He was pretty great against righties.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Bringing Bat Octavio Dotel?
Will he fly in from the bullpen?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Buster Olney has really lost me
did anyone follow his whole pitch to the score argument earlier this year? It was a complete disaster.
From the Back Cave. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Cartoon Oriole Bird is back
I like it
had a Dairy Queen ice cream helmet with the same logo when I was a kid. Thought it was badass.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I dig the bird too
I never really like any jerseys that weren’t home-white or road-grey though. If they aren’t white or grey, they just look like softball jerseys to me.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
poor O's fans.
Just when the Marlin’s gave them something to laugh at another team about.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 15, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised so many don't like this move.
It looks good. Better than just a big ‘O’.
Unrelated: “BIG O — SHOW TIME!”
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I kind of like it too
Though I’m not a huge fan of the “bright solid color jerseys with white pants” movement. I dig the cartoon Oriole hat though.
They had a more realistic bird on the caps recently, no?
They may have had an O’s hat, but it was an alternate.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
They did.
But I still prefer the cartoon.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the cartoon
was not used for a long time.
Still wish they’d go old-school with the unis (whites at home always and gray on the road always). And I wish they’d go old-school in the standings too.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 16, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
I cant believe I have waited
this long to log in and comment. Being able to ‘z’ through comments and only read the new stuff has already been life-altering. I am easily 15% more productive at work not having to read the same old drivel over and over agin.
...you're going to want to prepare to subtract 85 points off that percentage
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah, the z-ing is well worth it.
i have no idead how you’re MORE productive at work now though.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
too soon?
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Escape while you still can!
every time you ‘z’ fritz consumes more of your life energy.
Well, baseball was fun.
Ive already thought about escaping.
I delayed joining for so long b/c I wasn’t really sure what I brought to the table. Im still not sure.
by Action Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
sigh
everybody says this.
I’ve got over 10,000 comments on this site and i don’t think that i bring anything to this place. Doesn’t stop me though.
Well, baseball was fun.
you bring "fabulous"
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
VEB - greatest sports blog in the world
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 15, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
...
VEB – greatest sports blog in the world universe
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
VEB - greatest self-fellators in the universe
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Nov 15, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
VEB - aw yeah
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Is this what they call self-deprecating humor?
And specifically to this comment “No but we are willing to learn”
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Now start rec'ing stuff that's funny or insightful or posted by DanUp!
And flag anything posted by fang!
Yes, it's a transformative experience
seeing fresh new drivel with each ‘z’
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Yea, but it's RACIP driven.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
More observations with regards to the Bill James 2012 projections!
The top three in our rotation look nice.
Jason Heyward and Chipper Jones have very similar hitting projections, which is kind of interesting and cool.
Kyle Lohse projects for a “meh” 4-ish FIP.
Westbrook projects for a “hmm” 4.3ish FIP.
I don't suppose there's a projection for Lynn as a SP...
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
He won't start this year
2013, maybe. Lohse and Westy will be gone, but Shelby will be up hopefully and Scrabble may get a shot, assuming no FA signings
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I can dream of a trade, damn it.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I've never been on the Zep as a starter bandwagon.
I don’t doubt his ability, but there’s nobody in the bullpen to replace him to get lefties out, and we have other options for starters.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
If there was, I doubt it would be exciting.
Only track record as a starter is in the minors, and sort of lackluster. Like the SS-2B thing, most RPs are just SPs who weren’t that good.
Yea but he was only moved to RP because there are guys getting paid in the rotation.
Lynn could be as good or better than Wb/Lohse.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
If Lance Lynn ever has a season as good as the good-Lohse seasons, I'll be a happy guy.
The history of baseball is littered with hard-throwing righties who didn’t make it as starters.
Yea, but Lynn was actually pitching pretty well at AAA.
He had a FIP of 2.92 He could be a 4th or 5th starter. It’s no guarantee, but I’d like to see him given a shot.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, a HR rate of 0.24 over 70-odd innings = don't put stock in that FIP.
My question is, what’s his third pitch? Because neither the fastball nor the curve are good enough to let him get by with just two.
And I'd like to see him get a shot, too -- I like the guy.
I just think hoping for him to be better than Lohse, right now, is a bit much. His ceiling is peak Kyle Lohse, IMO, and it’s less than 100% that he ever reaches it.
FIP, 3.90 over all AAA innings. I would slightly weight his more recent innings more heavily too (and they've been better).
But yea, if he had an ERA between 4 and 4.3 over his first few years as a starter I’d be pretty happy.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Vance Worley would like a word with you.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta say
While I’m not thrilled about out rotation going into next year (WESTBROOK YOU SON OF A), I sure am glad not to be bidding for top-of-the-rotation starting pitching this offseason. It’s CJ Wilson and then, uh…well…Buehrle and Oswalt and Bedard? Ew.
That said, SIGN JAVY VAZQUEZ and also SIGN RICH HARDEN!
remember Adam Wainwright?
Because I do, and it makes me pretty freaking optimistic about the rotation. Good enough this past year, back to very good the coming year. Very few teams really have a good fifth starter anyway.
Who is that?
Isn’t he a coach or something?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
que?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 15, 2011 7:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I expect Wainwright will be good
But who knows whether he’ll be his same old self again right away. He may need to work back to where he was.
Are there any studies
of first-year-back-from-TJ-surgery for starters? I wonder what kind of innings ceiling they’ll put him on.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 16, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
Probably, though I don't know of one.
Jaime pitched quite a few though, as I recall.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
You have to think Westbrook will be better next year
but at the same time Lohse likely will be worse. But those guys are fine as 4-5 starters.
by Wombat x on Nov 15, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Both will be better with a good SS behind them and Theriot on another team ... sign Furcal to a good team deal
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
too busy to research.
What did westbrook’s numbers look like once furc came over?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 15, 2011 7:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Like Waino on a good night!
I don’t know … I was told there would be not math… My point is Westboork is a GB pitcher, he was so messed up 2 months into the season it looked like he was having a nervous breakdown before every pitch. With a real SS behind him he should return to norm…not that he’s a Cy Young contender but you can’t expect a heavy GB pitcher to do well with Theriot behind him.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
His FIP in Aug and Sept. was 4.38 and 3.42.
Better than any month but May, which was 2.89. His ERA and xFIP weren’t clearly better than in other months though. I don’t think it’s clear that Furcal helped Wb an especially high amount.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think Lynn in the fifth starter role and Westbrook to spot starter, mop-up man role
expensive way to use westbrook, but Lynn could be a very good 5th starter
Just win
I'd take Buerhle
just not at $14 mil anymore.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
CHAD GAUDIN
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be shocked if Carp's
arm doesn’t start falling off this year. He’s due for another breakdown. (But if that’s the price of 2011 postseason heroics I can live with it.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 16, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
so...uhhh...
WE ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS!
FUCK YEA!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 15, 2011 7:12 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm suspecting this activity is being looked down upon
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
only because
we’re on top
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was talking about fellow VEBers...not outsiders
WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
wooos closed
Bread it up folks nothing to see here
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
oh yes, i mistyped
i mean we can only look down
because we’re all on top
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
See RR and man who’s name is to long to make an acronym out of..’s comments below
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
/leaves to make bread
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
we gonna deep fry it after we bread it?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
note to self
do not take a swig of beer directly after using mint flavored floss
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 7:26 PM EST reply actions
that just sounds terrible.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I have drank beer with a mint in my mouth before.
It actually wasn’t half bad.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
If it's not half bad, then by default it is more than half good
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, it could have been all bad, or 3/4 bad, or anything that is not "half bad"
Grammar ftw.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Shut up guy with too long of an acronym to bother to spell out!
It’s not a riddle dammit, by default if it’s not half bad, then its more than half good.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon man with long acronym for name you give up that easy?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
No, just wasn't here until a few minutes ago
besides, you’re wrong. Well, you’re right that it’s not a riddle. It’s poetry in motion.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
And the acronym is isgigra
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a Japanese movie monster.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 15, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Man with acronym to long to type
I see what you you did there
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
idk about eggs, but it tastes awful.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in the summer I usually drink a powerade on the way to work
and right after brushing teeth its really fucking nasty, especially if I’m drinking the strawberry lemonade flavor
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
kinda rules out the beer breakfast i had in mind for tomorrow
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Note to FMtWP:
It’s the other way around.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
i had just got off an 11 hour shift
and i had tacos for lunch around noon, i need a fucking floss OK!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
(and a few franklins)
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I thought you were trying to fool someone.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
heh, only myself
i hate the holidays
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid
is an underrated movie. IMO. “I slipped him 15 grams of Aphrodesiamil and hoped that it would take before he tried to pick my lock.”
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions
Next to " Your breasts were out of wack "
“There, they’re fixed now”
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
""My plan was to kiss her with every lip on my face."
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
"then maneuver her over to the bed, marry her, then make Whoopee"
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
"I had no trouble finding Dr. Forrest's cheese lab. It smelled like the number on the door."
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
We're butchering it. Here's the whole quote.
Rigby Reardon: [voice-over while kisses Juliet] Her lips were warm, and my arm wasn’t the only thing that was throbbing. Our hearts were, too. My plan was to kiss her with every lip on my face… then slowly move her to the next room, maneuver her next to the bed… marry her, and start the whoopee machine. My plan was working fine until…
Rigby Reardon: Agh! You stuck your finger in my bullet hole!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
"Let's go out dancing!
You put on your black dress, and I’ll shave my tongue."
Gibson for Bench Coach!
hahahaha
“You don’t smoke do you?” “No, I have tuberculosis.” " Oh, thank Heaven for that."
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
One of my other favorites:
“On my way to Firehouse Row, I tried not to think of Juliet Forrest…I hadn’t seen a body like that……since I’d solved the case of the murdered girl with the big tits.”
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Carlotta was the kind of town where they spell trouble T-R-U-B-I-L
and if you try to correct them, they kill you.
All dames are alike: they reach down your throat so they can grab your heart, pull it out and they throw it on the floor, and they step on 'em with their high heels, they spit on it, shove it in the oven and they cook the shit out of it. Then they slice it into little pieces, slam it on a hunk of toast, and they serve it to you. And they expect you to say, "Thanks, honey, it's delicious." Rigby Reardon
these are for bobo:
Rigby Reardon: [dressed as a woman] Do I look like a dame?
Juliet Forrest: Not as much as I do.
Share this quote
Rigby Reardon: [dressed as Jarrett’s mother] What do you think?
Juliet Forrest: I think you enjoy dressing up as a woman.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Enemies of Carlotta, they don't know anything about that here
I’ve mentioned it before and got the same interest as rotten cheese.
That’s not a quote, I’ve actually mentioned enemies of Carlotta and got nary a comment.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
heh. I guess that I missed it.
I’m not sure that anybody has actually seen the movie but us three at this point.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
"Where are you staying?"
“Hotel Guano”
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
One of the more iconic scenes
Rachel Ward: If I’m not home, leave a message with the butler or the cleaning woman.
Steve:
Cleaning woman.
Cleaning woman.
Cleaning woman.
Cleaning woman! Cleaning woman!
Cleaning woman! Cleaning woman!
Cleaning woman! Cleaning woman!
(coughs)
Sorry.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Reinmachefrau
All dames are alike: they reach down your throat so they can grab your heart, pull it out and they throw it on the floor, and they step on 'em with their high heels, they spit on it, shove it in the oven and they cook the shit out of it. Then they slice it into little pieces, slam it on a hunk of toast, and they serve it to you. And they expect you to say, "Thanks, honey, it's delicious." Rigby Reardon
What I love about this film is how it takes all the double entendres
from those ’40’s films, and (purposely) makes them so obvious as to really not be double entendres anymore. Steve Martin at his slapstick-y best.
All dames are alike: they reach down your throat so they can grab your heart, pull it out and they throw it on the floor, and they step on 'em with their high heels, they spit on it, shove it in the oven and they cook the shit out of it. Then they slice it into little pieces, slam it on a hunk of toast, and they serve it to you. And they expect you to say, "Thanks, honey, it's delicious." Rigby Reardon
this.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
which is coming soon
which is coming soon to your neighborhood theater, … with a possible nude scene by Juliet.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 6:46 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn't butchering it I was paraphrasing!
But thanks for going to the trouble of getting it right, I love that movie. Great primer to get kids and those that think “classic movies are overrated” into old movies too.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was brilliant the way they pasted those old scenes in.
And Steve played into it perfectly. “If you need me, just call. You know how to dial, don’t you? Just put your finger in the hole and make tiny circles.”
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
That reminds me of, the Bogey and Bacall movie
Bacall said you know how to whistle don’t you? You just put your lips together and blow…or something similar.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
The Big Sleep
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
One of my favorite scenes is when they pasted that scene of Burt Lancaster for "The Killers" in with Steve and...
He’s making Burt some of his favorite “Java” and you keep thinking he’s gonna stop pouring the coffee into the pan, and he just keeps pouring, and pouring, then pouring some more, etc.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
According to the story
the Atlanta Braves had a pitcher named Jeff Dedmon. Joe Torre was the Braves manager at the time. As the team was preparing to board a plane, Torre noticed Dedmon was wearing a plaid sport coat. Torre said ……….
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 16, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
"I will take care of your paaaaaaaajamas"
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
what's it taste like?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds weird to say, but it's a surprisingly light version of a chocolatey or coffee-ey stout or porter or something like that
I think that’s kind of the idea behind a lager Schwarzbier, though (this is actually the first I’ve ever had so I have no comparison). I could be wrong about that. I just assumed that since they all seem to be lagers.
A bit malty, a bit roasty. A bit of hops/bitterness, but really mellow. I keep coming back to the though that it’s kind of like a somewhat lighter version of a stout.
that sounds pretty tasty
I do like their coffee stout.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 15, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Basically it's very flavorful but not really heavy.
I am really enjoying it. I’m seeing some people mention toffee and nuttiness in the reviews I"m reading.
I really like Schwarzbier as a style.
It’s delicious, but but not too rich.
Slightly OT: I tried their Optic Golden Ale at the Taproom the other night. I’ve never even heard of the style before, but it was fantastic for a session. I’m not sure what the style is supposed to be like, but theirs tasted like a slightly pale ale-ey pilnser, but with a ton more boozey-ness and flavor than either style.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Nov 16, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
does anyone else thing the Red Sox would've been better off just keeping Francona?
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 15, 2011 7:58 PM EST reply actions
well, yeah...
but i’m still glad he’s not coming to st. louis. one big advantage to having a newbie as manager is that we don’t have to endure ceaseless comparisons to how he “might have done” with somebody else.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so glad we didn't get Francona
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Das ist nicht schlecht!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ich muss meine Deutsch üben, bevor ich nach Wien flogen
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
i've only been to germany and austria once apiece
and was shocked at how many people spoke passable English.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
really?
that’s usually the opposite reaction of the american tourist, i find. mostly people are surprised when the “natives” don’t speak english. and then they talk louder and more slowly because that aids comprehension.
DO. YOU. KNOW. WHERE. THE. HAM. BURG. RAT. HAUS. IS?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think you mean
Wo ist die Hamburg Rathaus?
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
i mean, people speak
english more loudly and slowly because that helps non-english speakers understand what they are saying. i have seen people do this. spolier alert: it doesn’t actually work.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
The Germans I've met have all been great english speakers
although the sample size may be slightly skewed because I’ve only met the ones who had the initiative to come here
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
without trying to paint with too broad a brush,
i would say most germans know at least a little english. certainly more than most americans know german.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Definitely more than here
Many Americans don’t need a secondary language in their day to day life. Europeans do.
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
I lived in Germany for a total of 5 years
and found that the vast majority of Germans, at least in the vicinity of American military bases, speak at least enough English to sell things and give directions.
They really appreciate Americans who make the effort to speak their language though.
God, I miss real Pommes Frites.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Nov 16, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
ach ja
auch, in England, wir haben ein bischen deutsche gesproken. Aber, mein grammar ist nicht so gut.
Well, baseball was fun.
i haven't used my 5 years of german lessons in a while
so i probably butchered that.
Frau Hairy would not be impressed.
Well, baseball was fun.
i like the broad brush
especially since st. louis is for german lutherans. #snark
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
my parents own some land adjacent to a state forest in Illinois
I had many parties out there in high school and college, there were 5 or 6 german exchange students from the next town over that usually came to them when they were in the states. They spoke perfect english and were in awe of all the trees and franklin -slamming midwestern high schoolers
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
however, practically speaking,
many europeans know at least essential phrases in english.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i could carry on intelligible conversations with half the "natives" i met.
though mostly the people i met were in old churches…Frauenkirche in Dresden, Schlosskirche in Wittenberg, Thomaskirche in Leipzig…and the Munich Hofbrauhaus. touristy places, i guess.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I took 4 years of German and high school
and some in college, so far. My high school also had a really big German exchange program and so I got to meet a lot of students who lived with friends for a summer, semester, or year. In Germany they take English starting in like 5th grade and so most Germans can speak English very well
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Deine Mutter arbeitet um die Ecke
und schlagt mein fleisch fur Geld.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Nov 16, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
сделать это для тортов!
Fun fact: When I put this back through Google Translate (I don’t speak Russian), it came out as Do it for cakes! Which isn’t really that bad of a reason
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 8:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Facite testudinem
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
(I think)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Too bad we rely on free agents doing it for pies.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Odds on a shiny new contract with Furcal by Friday?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
I don't expect a solution before Albert signs
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
sure.
he said he would wait until they unveiled a new manager, so now i expect his people to call our people and work something out. plus there are reports of the brewers moving on furcal, so i’d expect that to light a fire under Mo too.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
i don't see the Cards engaging
in any type of bidding war for Furcal. I think they make one last take it or leave it offer and move on about their business if he declines.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 15, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
didn't Furcal make some disparaging remark about Milwaukee
after the whole Nyjer fiasco?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Nov 15, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
berkman made disparaging remarks about the cardinals while in houston.
i, uh, forgive him.
In love with the new Gaknar avatar.
by threadkiller on Nov 15, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't!
I’ll never forgive him!
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Oh really...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 15, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, I can't stay mad at you Lance!
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good, otherwise he's leaving and taking the trophy with him.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 15, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Lance needs to share with the other players
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
puma says
hey albert, lets add another one to our collection
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
puma's collection would then be 2
But of course APs would only be 3, but that’s a lot in WS years
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
ha! only 2 or 3
Barry Bonds and Ted Williams would like a word
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Alex I'll take "what is the difference between Ted Williams and Barry Bonds for $1000 and the win"
Answer: “One could have been the greatest hitters of all time, and if not far the war years (x2) might have been, and the other used PEDs”.
But seriously in reply to your post, F YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 000000000000s for a couple of the greatest hitters and look what we’ve had, and perhaps have for the future with AP, maybe, Holldiay, and Berkman! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
isnt it great
all those years with Houston
one of their better players ever
gets his world series championship with their last big rival?
weird
by jealousblues on Nov 16, 2011 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
Edwin Jackson and Carpenter had some disparaging remarks about each other.
Long story short, things worked out.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
This was directly related to CCDGAF!
Or is that meme dead too? Please NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
this one should never die!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
only you
can prevent meme expiration
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
CCDNGAFATP
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Take the pledge and show your commitment to CCDGAF about meme ending Fan Posts
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
also they seem like BFFs now.
not like LaRue BFFs but quite chummy
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I loved when he finally got to bat like 3 times in late September
My roommate “Who’s kind of a moron” had been going on about how he doesn’t think Greene is any good. And every time he played he would smack a ball deep into the OF
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by Notorious PSC on Nov 15, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
He could actually be pretty bad.
I don’t think he could be worse than Theriot at SS, but that shouldn’t be the bar. I’m a bit worried about his contact rate and defensive inconsistency. Then again, this team was in first place when Theriot was the starting SS, so if Greene sucks it wouldn’t be cripple the team.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
If Greene plays like your average nephew who has actually played baseball before he wont' be worse at defense than Theriot
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Going from Theriot's UZR/150 over the last two years, and Greene's Career UZR/150 at SS, Greene should be a win and a half better defensively.
Greene’s career wRC+ is 77, and Theriot’s is 87. I think that’s really the lowest Greene’s wRC+ can be, but even if he doesn’t improve it’s probably fair to say Greene would be an upgrade over Theriot.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
this
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
This
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to chalk this up to Mo just trying to be nice
Mozeliak further broke down the Cardinals’ roster in a conversation with MLBTR. Here are the details on the 2011 champions:
•Daniel Descalso, Tyler Greene, Skip Schumaker and Ryan Theriot are middle infield options for the Cardinals and they’d "be okay" entering the 2012 season with that group, Mozeliak said, before explaining that alternatives exist.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 15, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions
Given Freese, Descalso and Greene make the roster
then generally you would be looking for two more infielders to play 2B, SS, 3B. I think if Pujols is not signed we would be browsing in the Reyes, Rollins, Furcal bin for one (likely Furcal). If AP comes back, we will likely go bargain basement in both spots i.e. Jack Wilson, Punto, Kennedy, Hairston, Cedeno, Renteria, DeRosa, Cabrera, Miles, Kozma. More expensive/(better player?) options could be Kelly Johnson, Barmes, Ramon Santiago, Alex Gonzalez, Theriot, Schumaker.
If Albert comes back, I like Punto and Santiago.
This analysis changes if Mo/Matheny see Craig as a 2B option.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Better players? List should def not include
Ramon Santiago, Theriot or Schu….
Punto is more valuable than those 3.
by mick311 on Nov 15, 2011 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Punto's bWAR last 3 years: .6, .7, 1.5 for a total of 2.8
Santiago: 1.1, 2.6, 1.3 for a total of 5.0. Santiago is 2 years younger than Punto.
Not a knock on Punto – but an endorsement of Santiago
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 15, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I have never really been a fan.
Thats not really very fair considering how many games Punto has missed the past 3 years.
Punto Career fWAR: 12.8 (g:887 ab:2984)
Santiago Career fWAR: 4.9 (g:672 ab:2087)
Also has Punto as the better fielder…career BB% of 10.2 v 6.6 of Santiago (he posted 5.8% last year)
career wOBA are both .296….so offensively they are prob pretty close,but Punto walks more and plays better D. Santiago isn’t AS bad as I thought though.
by mick311 on Nov 15, 2011 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
at least DD and T Greene are included
Im pretty optimistic about MIF next year
by hr on Nov 15, 2011 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would like to see us bring back Furcal at SS
And let Greene backup at SS and platoon with DD at 2nd.
by mick311 on Nov 15, 2011 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bill James predicts Allen Craig to have the exact same wOBA as Chase Utley next season
If only he could play second like Utley…
What are the odds he actually gets a look at 2nd next year???
I mean a true, objective, “win this position, Allan” look?
Depends if MM is of the same train of thought about playing players out of position like TLR
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Nov 15, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't think he looked that horrible
But he didn’t have a whole lot of chances. I recall him looking pretty bad at third though….actually, just one game I remember him playing third, not seeing one ball come his way til like the 9th and then he booted it.
Id like to see him get a shot there too, but even if AP comes back, he should get plenty of ABs either way.
by mick311 on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He should already start any game v LH
For Berk, then sub on days off for Holliday/Berk, plus any injuries….and days he doesn’t start should always get at least one AB.
by mick311 on Nov 15, 2011 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
-26.5 runs from the average over 150 games according to UZR.
That’s over 41 innings, so he may not be QUITE that bad. I doubt he’s better than -15 runs though.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
It's all about range and I doubt Craig has that much but if he does.....if he does.....
hello back to back WS titles.
too much SSS to tell for sure
But the results weren’t great. Made a few errors his first time around IIRC
by hr on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Nitpicking incoming.
The sample size was plenty big to tell how bad he was last year. It’s too small to tell how bad he would be next year.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
heh, nitpicking is important, especially for me because I don't follow sabermetrics as closely as most of you
thanks for the clarification
np
of course this all relies on the idea that UZR does a good job of measuring defense, which is debatable.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's definitely possible
if not likely given comments made in the past
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
If only he could play 2nd base like Uggla.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Looked up Uggla’s stats earlier to see if they were at least close. Alas, they are not. Craig truly was a butcher at 2nd last season.
I’d like to think that they could spend the whole offseason working with him and he could pull a Schumaker. That is to say, go from completely unable to play the position to being merely shitty at it. It’s probably wishful thinking though.
If Craig were to be -15 runs with the glove at 2nd do you think he’d provide more value as a starting 2B than Descalso? I think he probably would.
I really don't think he would.
I think his defense at 2B is really that bad.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
at that point
whouldnt it just be better to trade him for a player we need and can use
(unless we just want to sit on him til Berk retires)
by jealousblues on Nov 16, 2011 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
Such players aren't always available, and aren't always with teams that want to trade with you or like what you have to offer.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
who's Chase Utley
/meme
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
damn, was hoping to see him stick with the brewcrew, lol
Mark Kotsay signs 1 year/$1.25 million deal with Padres
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/11/15/2564667/mark-kotsay-san-diego-padres-contract
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by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 15, 2011 9:22 PM EST reply actions
What do y'all think about Greene and Furcal looking at the Bill James projections?
Greene .316 wOBA, .250/.321/.391
Furcal .324 wOBA, .270/.338/.394
Assuming they’re about equal defensively, is it really worth it to pursue Furcal? I’d still like to get Furcal, but looking at these numbers, I don’t think I’d be willing to outbid other teams.
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I'd rather go with Greene at SS and an upgrade in the rotation...
than Furcal and Westy/Lohse
Sign Roy O
Bring Punto back to support Greene?
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah something like that...
Renteria will be available. I’d like to see him in a Cards uni even if he does completely suck.
Sign Roy O
Put Tyler on the Greene!
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I'll have to check with Cody
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Furcal is probably better than Greene
And has less risk I think, because Greene probably has a chance of sucking.
But I don’t think that difference is worth a 2 year contract. Sign Punto to be the consistent veteran instead.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be comfortable with a Greene/Punto middle infield
with descalso to back them up
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Like with Berkman last year, I think the projections are under projecting based on a year affected by injury.
Furcal could easily be a 4 WAR SS next year, if he’s healthy (which is a risk, to be sure). But some of the injuries he’s sustained are fluky (broken thumb sliding into a base)- I expect him to put up a big season next year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 16, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Question: What do you think Aaron Harang will get on the FA market?
I wouldn’t pursue him if I was GM. But he had a 5.32 ERA in 111.2 IP and got a 1 year, $3.5 million contract. This year, he had a 3.64 ERA in 170 IP. Oddly, he was “worth” more last year. (I’d debate that but I know fangraphs is all about how he got there not the results)
Anyway, I expect if he got $3.5 last season after his 2010, his 2012 contract will be massively overrated by some team and he’ll get 2-3 years maybe.
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The difference being
that he’s a flyball pitcher and he was pitching in that HR derby park in Cinci. And this year he was pitching in that Grand Canyon in SD. It’s bound to have helped him out.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I know.
I’m wondering if a GM will mistakenly give him a bad contract not totally realizing how much Petco helped him.
I realize the first part of my post sort of implies that signing Harang would be a good idea. But I think it would be an awful idea.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 16, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn't completely against the idea this summer when we were
casting about for a 5th starter. Then he got injured. I don’t think he’d be bad for the right price. I just wouldn’t give him a whole lot.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
search for breasts and continue the thread if you dare
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Confirm/Deny: Topher Grace as Venom is the worst miscasting in movie history
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I know nothing of what you speak of
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 16, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that
I didn’t see the movie.
I do know that taking the role caused Topher to leave That 70’s Show and be replaced by RANDY FUCKING PEARSON who ruined the eighth season.
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 16, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
...
This is Eddie Brock:
This is Topher Grace:
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Twitter
And this is Randy fucking Pearson
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 16, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, I never understood how they reached that decision.
Topher Grace is like the weakest looking guy possible. He’s like a grown up Michael Cera.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
It was pretty awful.
Worst ever? …..Probably not.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
and they acted like he bulked up so much
and he still looked tiny
that was just awful
that whole thing
I guess the sandman was good though.
by jealousblues on Nov 16, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
I still say Hugh Jackman will always be an imperfect Wolverine
Since he’s about a foot too tall.
But yeah, that was a horrible casting job. At least the worst comic book character casting I can think of.
Y'ALLS! There's a premiere of the Jon Hamm-narrated film at the Peabody Opera House next Tuesday
Tickets are 15 or 25 dollars. There will be Cardinals and Celebrities maybe I am kind of psyched like omg.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
Good luck
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Hope it goes well
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Is this similar to the one you were looking at last summer?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
the one that started the suit debacle?
yeah, pretty much.
the problem with the jobs i was trying to get this summer is that i have classes 4 days a weeks this semester. next semester i will have time that i can actually go to work. hopefully that improves my chances.
cool
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
godspeed
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 16, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
you
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Twitter
yeah?
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 16, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Bingo
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Yes
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That's been going around.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
godspell
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
just in case anybody is still hanging around...
a couple of pics I snapped from game 7
freese cruisin by:
BRAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSS
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 16, 2011 2:41 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I had tickets to game 6
but I coudlnt make it after the “rainout”
one of the greatest games ever :-(
(but Cards won so fuck it)
by jealousblues on Nov 16, 2011 3:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think I would have had to go around the basepaths in that thing sideways.
Grit != flat out sucking.
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So... the Marlins are apparently offering Albert nine years
Does anyone… um… have any opinions about that?
by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2011 3:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
wat
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by vivaelpujols on Nov 16, 2011 4:06 AM EST up reply actions
yeah thats uh not good
hopefully it was a 9 year deal for 20 million dollars total…. seriously though people kept saying no one around MLB thought they made a legit offer but if it was really 9 years then damn.
It goes down to the likelihood of a ring with Miami in the next 9 years
…right?
right?
BTW, didn’t see the report itself. What’s the AAV rumored to be?
Cards fan in Middle East
they dont care because they will be long retracted by then ;-)
or maybe just have moved or sold
by jealousblues on Nov 16, 2011 4:39 AM EST up reply actions
My mole in Miami called this last week...
Might want to have that mole looked at
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by peppermartin on Nov 16, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
tell me where im wrong here
if we dont sign Pujols
why dont we sign Oswalt or Buehrle
and Furcal
I figure the SP would be somewhere in the 14-17 mil range for 2 years or so?
Westbrook become a waste of money in the pen but you could at least attempt to dump him somehow if he lets you.
your rotation would be Waino, Carp, Oswalt-Buehrle, Garcia, Lohse
then next year you dump Lohse and Westbrook who probably make about what your FA pitcher is making, when they are added together and you slot Miller into the 5th spot.
Then you have Waino, Carp (he is under contract this year right?), Os-MarkB, Garcia, Miller
and thats gold plus you keep all your weapons in the pen.
Your pitching should be a serious weapon.
you could drop Skip, Theriot, Kmac, and Laird go and save a lot of Furcal’s contract if not all of it.
you could even try to trade for a young CF
1b – Berkman
2b – Descalso or Greene
ss – Furcal
3b – freese
c – Molina
lf = Holliday
cf – Jay or other CF
rf – Craig
1 – Other CF or Furcal
2 – Craig
3 – Holliday
4 – Berkman
5 – Freese
6 – Molina
7 – Furcal or Jay
8 – Jay or Greene or Descalso
9 – Waino, Carp, Oswalt-Mark B, Garcia, Lohse
you would have guys like
Motte, Salas, Sanchez, Lynn, Zep, Boggs, Westbrook in your pen
maybe you add a guy
bench might be a mess though
I think thats a pretty solid team all around
I think that would be a really solid team and balanced.
am I right or way off?
(sorry guys just REALLY bored)
Sometimes I wonder (perish the thought)
if the club isn’t actually set up better off without AP signing.
Clearly, Mo has been planning very hard to allow a winning team even without him. Maybe a little too well.
I mean, if we do sign him, assuming the kind of contract that would require (barring some amazing agent-killing turnaround from Albert), then we have to deal with:
1) What to do with Craig
2) How to survive more expensive Lohse-WB years
3) Taking our chances with a Greene-Skippy-DD-(Punto?) MIF mess
among other things.
Cards fan in Middle East
2012
Without Albert is pretty easy, since Craig should be a starter in the OF and Berkman can go to 1B. But what about when there is no more Berkman?
But personally, 8-9 years from now, I don’t think a $20 million contract is going to look bad, even for a diminished Albert. Inflation is really, really bad if you look at stuff not produced from China (which is skewed since they peg their currency to the dollar) and it’s probably not going to get any better…
Good point
the US should therefore peg the dollar to Albert’s performance. I could sleep soundly at night with this.
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by peppermartin on Nov 16, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
we could have Adams
or a FA with Berks money
by jealousblues on Nov 16, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't expect monetary inflation to be much higher than 3% over the next 9 years or so.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder that as well
I generally dont talk TOO much baseball stuff on here though, since I know others know so much more
so I refrain from saying such opinions sometimes
by jealousblues on Nov 16, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
If we can't sign Bert
We should go after Yoennis Cespedes. I feel like having him platoon with JJ would be an ideal CF situation next year.
by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2011 6:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are not alone in wanting Oswalt
I don’t think things will ever work out between us and Buehrle though. Which is a shame, since he’s a local guy and would love to pitch for us. He’s not a big enough improvement over Wb to justify paying both of them. Maybe in a few years he can come as a lefty reliever.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
they say they gave Mo and his big balls a standing ovation at the GM meeting
in a bizarre twitter URL, Goold summons the unicorns
http://199.59.149.232/dgoold/status/136604252968726528
would've.
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I can't see. Can you provide text?
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bizarre, it's not working for me either. hang on
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
dgoold
RT "@miklasz: Including Jocketty? "@JoeStrauss: Mozeliak received standing O at GM meeting today."" about 8 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone
would've.
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wow, hard to believe something like that happened
im not sure why
by jealousblues on Nov 16, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
i may change my avatar.
not right now… but watch out.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ahhhhhh!
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Matheny's son's twitter blowing up.
you can find it, i’ll redact that username.
3 days ago I had 77 followers now I’m At 199 did something happen in the past 3 days I need to know about
and this gem of parenthood
Dad: hey y r all ur friends scared of me
me: idk bc ur 6.4 250
Dad: so they’re scared of me bc I’m tall and fat
would've.
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You're gonna like the way you look
I guarantee it.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 16, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I want to punch the tv everytime he says that.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
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