A completely inexpert 2012 St. Louis Cardinals Top 20
by DanUpBaby on Nov 13, 2011 9:00 AM EST
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Since I'm filling in for #hpgf expert azruavatar today, I thought I'd take a moment to start some arguments without doing any research—it's time for your unofficial, time-limited Viva El Birdos 2012 Top 20 St. Louis Cardinals Prospects List! Built from our very own Top Prospect List Construction Set, I promise here at the outset that it will offer no new information or analysis, only arbitrary numbers and vague, unlocalized sadness, at least from me—I have added MLEs from noted SBN-lurker, Transaction Oracle, and ZiPS projector Dan Szymborski, in a fit of usefulness.
(I promise also to speak for no one on VEB but myself—I have it on good authority that bgh's Top 20 is just a big picture of Donovan Solano, repeated 20 times.)
1. Shelby Miller. Shelby Miller is the top prospect. His age-20 debut in the hitter-friendly Texas League at the Springfield Cardinals' even-hitter-friendlier ballpark wasn't perfect—he only struck out a batter an inning, instead of a batter-and-a-half, as he had in Palm Beach—but at 21 he enters 2011 in a position to bring up some very awkward questions by next July.
(2011 MLE: 80.2 IP, 66/41/3 K/BB/HR, 3.68 ERA; 48 IP, 58/29/5 K/BB/ERA, 4.31 ERA)
2. Kolten Wong. Yeah, I'm going to be that guy. The Cardinals have two outstanding teenaged pitching prospects on the way, but teenaged pitching prospects are terrifying—they get elbow and shoulder injuries, they flame out at higher levels, they just turn out to have never been good in the first place. They're like holding penny stocks, if penny stocks sometimes seemed ready to mature for years at a time before revealing they had been valueless the entire time.
Wong hit .335/.401/.510 in 47 games of full-season ball the year he was drafted; he'll be 21 all next season and ready for AA at some point. He's much more certain to provide value than Martinez or Jenkins, and he's even more likely to do it soon.
(2011 MLE: 47 G, .272/.321/.381)
3. Carlos Martinez. Martinez was outstanding in the Quad Cities, where he made his first eight starts—50 strikeouts in 39 innings, one home run and a not-especially-worrying walk rate—and, for his troubles, was promoted to Palm Beach at midseason, where he had 10 less-outstanding starts.
Not worrying, really; he struck out a batter an inning. But his walk rate spiked, reminding us, after a few years of watching Shelby Miller coast through levels, that he was a 19-year-old in full-season ball, and that 19-year-olds in full-season ball don't normally dominate at every stop.
He seems likely to repeat Palm Beach next year, at least to start, and for good reason—last year there was only one 20-year-old at Palm Beach, and it was Shelby Miller.
(2011 MLE: 41.2 IP, 34/44/5 K/BB/HR, 6.75 ERA; 34 IP, 32/19/4 K/BB/HR, 4.76 ERA)
4. Oscar Taveras. Speaking as a deeply impartial journalist—friend and former roommate to any number of graduates of the prestigious University of Missouri School of Journalism—it was very difficult, last year, to avoid developing a big old crush on Oscar Taveras, the Cardinals' first unlimited-upside hitting prospect since J.D. Drew.
Playing in the Midwest League at 19—and a young 19—Taveras hit .386/.444/.584 over 78 games, and has hit .292/.299/.415 in 16 additional games in the AFL. I don't really have much else to say about him—some people are worried about his "max-effort" swing, but if it's allowing him to hit .386 and slug .584 in the Midwest League at 19 I'm skeptical of its ability to derail him at higher levels. The hamstring problems are worrying, but in a top end filled with pitching prospects I'm willing to give him a pass.
(2011 MLE: 78 IP, .287/.332/.409)
5. Tyrell Jenkins. This is exactly as high as I'm wiling to go with a starter who'll be 19 next year (an old 19) and just made 11 starts in the Appalachian League. They were good starts—a 4.23 K:BB ratio in 56 innings—and Jenkins has great stuff, apparently, but he's as far away as a top prospect can get from the Major Leagues.
(2011 MLE: 52.2 IP, 34/19/7 K/BB/HR, 5.47 ERA)
6. Maikel Cleto. This seems weird to me, especially as someone who hated the Brendan Ryan trade, but I don't really see any way around it; he has the hardest fastball in the system, and he was excellent as a starter at two levels before being only adequate in a 13-start audition in the Pacific Coast League, which had a league ERA of 5.13 this year.
He'll be 23 next year, and whatever he is he's pitching adequately exactly one level removed from the Major Leagues.
(2011 MLE: 68.1 IP, 60/42/5 K/BB/HR, 4.35 ERA; 34.1 IP, 27/15/2 K/BB/HR, 3.93 ERA; 25 IP, 23/15/4 K/BB/HR, 5.40 ERA)
7. Jordan Swagerty. I like what he did moving across three levels in his first year of pro ball, and I like that he's both still a starter, technically—he made 12 in 36 appearances this year—and possibly ready to move quickly as a reliever. With top prospects I hate to see relief whispers, but as you get into the mid-range pitching types it seems like their potential Major League value is increased by the possibility of early relief work.
(2011 FSL MLE: 48.1 IP, 37/23/4 K/BB/HR, 4.47 ERA)
8. Ryan Jackson. This is probably higher than he'll be elsewhere, but Jackson's a great defensive shortstop who's treading water on offense at age-appropriate levels and looks ready for Memphis. The offensive questions will remain until he's hitting in the Major Leagues, but he's shown, already, one Major League value proposition, which is more than I can say for—
(2011 MLE: 135 G, .244/.290/.333)
9. Zack Cox. In general, it's a real worry when the first thing people say about your college-star pure-hitter first-round draft pick is, "Do you think we could move him to second base?" 364 days younger than Jackson, a no-hit shortstop, he managed an OPS 40 points higher at the same hitter-friendly level over 93 games.
I hope to feel deeply stupid about putting him ninth—and wanting to put him lower—in May, but at third base he just seems like a guy with a bad case of Brett Wallace's Disease.
(2011 MLE: 42 G, .246/.287/.317; 93 G, .251/.303/.334)
10. Trevor Rosenthal. Great numbers and reviews in the Midwest League at 21. I don't feel qualified to say anything else about Trevor Rosenthal, except to say that he's an inch below bypassing the "People are going to talk about moving him to the bullpen" clause of mid-level pitching prospect high minors debuts.
(2011 MLE: 110 IP, 85/52/16 K/BB/HR, 5.73 ERA)
11. Matt Adams. Given the Texas League in general and Hammons Field in particular I'm skeptical of Adams, who will never play anywhere but first and doesn't walk enough to lampshade his power or contact skills, but the man did hit 32 home runs and slug .566.
(2011 MLE: 115 G, .254/.303/.398)
12. Tommy Pham. I'm not certain he'll ever stay healthy, but he slugged .517 in that very same ballpark over 40 games and has the advantage of playing center field.
(2011 MLE: 40 G, .224/.293/.347)
13. John Gast. Gast's peripherals aren't especially promising, but he reached AA in his first full year, threw 161 innings, and picked off a million batters. Aside from his future as a lefty/baserunner-specialist, he's entirely interchangeable with—
14. Joe Kelly, who also reached Springfield this year with not-especially-impressive peripherals. If copying and pasting Gast's bio for Kelly's in your 2012 Cardinals Media Guide, be sure to find-and-replace for all instances of "pick-off move" with "low-nineties sinker."
15. Adam Reifer missed all last season with a knee injury, which will probably end his career as an NFL feature back. As a right-handed reliever, he remains a mid-90s fastball guy who could reach the Major Leagues at any moment.
16. Charlie Tilson stands in here for all the 2011 draft picks we'll get very excited about in seven months.
17. Roberto De La Cruz is the winner of the prestigious 2012 Danup Tools-And-Age Overreaction Award, given by the player each year for whom I extrapolate far too much future success based on one standout tool and his age. This year emeritus winner Jon Edwards will be presenting the award to De La Cruz, one of the Cardinals' first big international signings, who slugged 16 home runs—31 extra-base-hits—in 59 games in Johnson City after two years in the Gulf Coast League.
Of course, he also walked seven times (against 57 strikeouts) and finished the season with a fielding percentage of .814 at third base. (Prospecting Hot Tip: If a player's OBP and fielding percentage add up to 1.000, even just barely, you're allowed to rate him too highly on unofficial blog prospect lists.) (2011 MLE: 59 G, .212/.237/.351)
18. Matt Carpenter spent most of Game 6 updating his résumé; he'll make a useful stand-in and possible high-OBP regular at third base for somebody, but given David Freese's heroics and Zack Cox's adequacy on either side of him it's not likely to be St. Louis. (2011 MLE: 130 G, .250/.347/.366)
19. Anthony Garcia had a very nice season in Johnson City, hitting .308/.407/.527 over 51 games as a 19-year-old. He's hit for power at two levels—including 2010 in the GCL—where few do, though as a corner outfielder he'll need to keep doing it. (2011 MLE: 51 G, .234/.312/.349)
20. Cody Stanley looks like he'll stick at catcher, but he was a little old (22) to have a .742 OPS in the Midwest League, and for a polished-college-hitter type the 92 strikeouts in 379 innings were a bit much. Actually, screw it, I'm going Bryan Anderson here. I like my left-handed bat-first catcher-types in Memphis! and blocked permanently! (2011 MLE: 101 G, .219/.257/.324)/(98 G, .233/.296/.323)
[Eligibility note: Nobody who made a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2011 is on this list, because that's easier than figuring rookie eligibility.]
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Thanks for the run down DanUp...nice read for a lazy Sunday morning
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
did the Rosentrain get derailed somewhere back there? or hurt?
I have vague recollections of such, and not enough tabs.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not really
He had a rough patch toward the end of the season…but he put it back together his last few starts
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 13, 2011 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MLEs are a nice addition to these lists
I know, I know, their utility is limited and they are misused, etc. etc. But just for fun, I like to be able to say to myself stuff like, “gee, Taveras, Wong, Carpenter, Adams, and Garcia could probably out hit our middle infield right now!”
And they're also really useful for perspective
Especially if (like me) you have a hard time remembering the various league/levels and their park effects, etc.
more ot
if you ever get into GitS:SAC (the movies are the same, but different)
it would be a massive time commitment for any of the GitS, as it’s like ye olde hard SF in that the exposition is actually in there. granted, they’re doing exposition while holding really big guns and hacking into people’s brains, but it’s not rushed through or montaged like other SF offerings. they sit there and Socrates it to you, and it’s not uncommon to have your mind scrubbed out even after 20 minutes.
dub: yes. because of the exposition, you don’t want to miss sleights-of-brain while reading the subtitles.
VEB-specific rec: Chat! Chat! Chat is so very meta, and hilarribly Viva El Birdos-like in its interactions. it’s a recap show, but I love watching it and going, hey that’s DanUp! and that’s gdm! and i think that might be spants or peachc.!
you-specific rec: you might like, no, love the tachikoma arc. high-pitched talking battle spiders debating consciousness while not technically being… beings.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually just figured out what a tachikoma was because I was watching random videos of toys on YouTube
There was one with a Japanese guy playing with his oh-so-cute tachikoma robot toy and making it come when he called and stuff. And I thought, “whoa, so that’s what they call those weird high-pitch-voice girly robotic battle spider things that I saw in that five minutes of some Ghost In The Shell show that I caught on Adult Swim a few years ago randomly!”
mameshiba!
tachikoma are the cutest semi?-sentient battle robots ever. and they are actually battle-ready, I have an unnatural love of them in stealth mode doing the work of an extremely large and menacing pack of police-dogs, all whilst chirping merrily to each other and their humans.
and then they start discussing the nature of existence in the same chirpy voices, and it’s like: screw the Turing test, this is supah cute.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm all booked up. how about next weekend
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, that just isn't what you wouldn't want me to think. And not if I don't see you first, Yadi2Second.
by Turing Test on Nov 13, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
how do you know i want you to think
you can’t prove that i want
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
that's the one
I’d rec that particular episode, but it’s one of the climactic points of the arc, so it’s a bit spoilerish.
the trouble with the tachikoma plot is that it’s a subplot. you have to watch the rest of the tangle to get at it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Heh
I was glad that video didn’t appear to have much in the way of spoilers (not that I know of anyway, it was all too “inside baseball” for me to have been at risk anyway).
Batou is great. he's the kick the doors down first hardened-cop guy.
basically the Major’s partner/foil.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Batou is awesome.
I like that he looks a bit like Steven Seagal.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
why you
i’m more along the lines of beefed up Lance Henriksen
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think I read somewhere that they specifically did Seagal.
What I like most is that every member of Section 9 is awesome. There names are awesome too. I like Aramaki, Togusa, and Batou the most (in no order).
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
i like the names when the Major calls them out
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
stop right there, dammit
we’re not gonna two days in a row talking about tv shows that I have no clue about. What happened to the good old VEB days when we just talked about Simpsons?
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
it's the offseason!
it’s y’all’s own fault for exhausting all the alcohol talk.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
What? No Boone Whiting?
I’m not surprised at that, just disappointed in that I like the kid’s name…..and that breaking ball from what I’ve seen. When you’re getting guys to swing and miss badly on it and it makes the catcher chase it all over, either you’ve got a nasty pitch, poor competition or you need a better catcher. None of these things mean he should be on the list.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 9:59 AM EST reply actions
Whiting's fastball touches 90 and sits in the high 80s.
That’s not going to land him on many lists.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's why I said that I wasn't surprised at his exclusion.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I like his delivery and changeup.
His changeup could allow him to continue starting because it makes his fastball play up in speed. Azru posted a writeup at Future Redbirds on Whiting after we saw him in the Quad Cities.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
thanks for that.
What else is it that he throws?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I lied about Azru's post. That was from before we saw Whiting.
Here’s the post he wrote for Future Redbirds after we saw him pitch:
Like Gorgen, Whiting’s fastball sat 89-90 and touched 92. Whiting had excellent command throwing his fastball to all parts of the plate and keeping it low in the zone. His bread and butter pitch was a great changeup that he’d throw in the low-80s. Whiting would also throw a slurvey slider that I’d like to have seen with a little more velocity. Given his fastball command, the slider was effective but mostly unnecessary.
This is a must-read as it gives an in-depth scouting report on both Whiting and Rosenthal (who really impressed me).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
is Gorgen still with us?
sorry, tabbed-out.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know. He had an arm injury and I didn't follow his rehab.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So it was the change-up that was in the youtube video?
That thing had enough downward action that I would never have pegged it as a change-up. It couldn’t have been the slider because it broke predominantly to the RH batter’s box.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
It's been quite a long time since I watched that video, but I think it was his slider.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
really?
that thing had some bite to it. If it was very slurvy, wouldn’t break back to the LH?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Chunichi Dragons won Nippon Series Game 2 last night.
Another 2 – 1 result in 10 innings. At least, I think they won 2 -1. I’m trying to read between the lines and use Google Translate to figure out what happened. Either the Dragons won again, or I’m looking at the results from the second Sino-Japanese war.
Anyway, if any of this is to be believed, the Dragons are up 2 games to none over Softbank. Both of the first two games were on the road for Chunichi, so they have quite an advantage going back to their home Nagoya Dome for the next three.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Did Tom Selleck hit a big home run for them?
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 13, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
No home runs last night.
Both of Chunichi’s runs came via the long ball the night before, but I don’t believe either were hit by a mustachioed gaijin.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Cards have cornered the market
on league average talent. There don’t seem to be many superstars (Miller and Martinez are still too far away for me), but a lot of guys who can fill slots on the roster for 300K to 600K a year instead of paying Ryan Theriot/Skip Schumaker money.
Cards are getting quite youthful if you think about a starting lineup with Freeze/Craig/Jay/Greene/Descalso with Wong, Jackson, Taveras to follow. Be nice if Lance Lynn and one of the guys in the minors can take Lohse/Westbrook spots in 2013 as well.
I like the strategy of ponying up for 1/2 big bats and surrounding them with a solid, not spectacular core. Only question for me is what happens if Molina gets injured. Can Craig play catcher, too?
Just win
A league avg team with hellacious pitching can win a lot of games.
Craig at catcher? Hmmmmm……Brandon Inge the Second!!!!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
op-ed
Craig has the face for catcher.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, he's not pretty enough to play second
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
STL Cardinals "youths"
not that youthful. at least not by the time they hit the Bigs
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Entirely normal when the big team is really good.
I assume you prefer that state to one where the young guys reach the show quickly, because they’re replacing bad players, right?
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 13, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, they're pushing their thirties.
they’re not “young” in baseball years.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I bet if someone tallied up the average age of Cardinals rookies in a year they play more than 30 innings
there would be more rookies, but they’d be older than league average.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Although, I believe our minor league teams were very young over all in 2011
Not sure exactly what that means.
there's a time-dilation in the vicinity of Amaury Marti Cazana which causes years to melt away
and also enables championships, so hey.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
but seriously, that's because they ran out of old rookies to run out of town.
this is less likely to be a correlation, IMO, but there might be an age gap between the Mafia-making-good and the system overall. they weren’t restocking regularly, so to speak.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was wondering if there was some sort of effect like that
Maybe it’ll reset itself next year. But then again, I guess a lot of our prospects should be promoted soon too.
You are tracking Mo well
So is it the end of TheRiot in STL? Skippy can be useful as a bench bat and utility, and no arb sounds good.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I should've block quoted
Preview, before posting. D’uh.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Yeah, I like this move
I don’t mind Skippy as a super sub, and with Freese having a whole off-season to rest those bionic ankles, I don’t think he’ll be subbed out in the 9th inning anymore.
I think Dirty Dan could do just fine as a 2B. I mean, he can’t be as bad as Skip, right?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
There's nothing "super" about Schumaker.
He’s a dull utility knife that doesn’t do anything particularly well.
I had a nice post all done for tomorrow on Schumaker and Theriot. Now I’ve got to rework it even though the new manager will probably be announced.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not saying Skip is the Albert Pujols of utility guys
but he’s got his place. Of course Tyler Greene could essentially replace him, so I don’t know what happens.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Skip Schumaker isn't even the Craig Pauqette of utility guys.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 13, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If only there could be a roster spot for a designated head-first slider
Skip would be our guy for that (sorry Ryan Theriot, you’re still out)
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
since the Hot Stove is setting in
I vote for a Skip photo caption.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Here's a video caption
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
if only there could be a 2011 documentary
solely from Adam Wainwright’s POV
(why didn’t they give him a camcorder! huh, FSM? noooo, you had to hasten the unthinkable! )
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
does this need a warning for sudden Tyler Greene?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
it IS creepy
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Skip, before the tragic head-first slide into first that cost him his hair
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 13, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think there's a little Lt. Dangle in there too
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Is that the 2010 Winter Warmup?
I was actually just looking at d-dee’s 2011 set on flickr. I came across this picture of Shelby Miller, and was instantly reminded of the old-school look of Link from Legend of Zelda. Ah, the swept hair, the side-burns. If only Shelby were left-handed.
Looks like an Ed Hardy shirt
in that case, it would actually screams “douche”
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
"Hey mang, you know what would look really good on your neck? A tattoo."
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Damn it, Yadi
Just let me smell my thumb and forefinger in peace.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
he might be de-seeding.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
i should say, for captain obvious purposes
give
Hotmakerone more whirl
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
What is the blind spot in assessing Skippy? Keep up the good fight in showing how bad he is.
Why do people continue to think that Skippy is useful or good or should be on this team?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Schumaker
Is a good utility guy with a good arm. He can swing a decent stick.
by Cheeseballs on Nov 13, 2011 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This looks like an evifrog-esque trolling effort to me.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
damn evi frogs
bats are decent sticks, i’ve seen skippy swing them before.
Grit != flat out sucking.
He's a bad defender at 2B and CF
He’s a poor batsman, and unplayable against lefties. He certainly doesn’t hit enough to play at any of the corner positions, and those are the only ones he can defend. He can’t hit, can’t field, he’s not fast, and he doesn’t pitch well. There’s nothing about him that justifies a roster spot or playing time, especially now that he’s due for a pay raise in arbitration.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
We might need that knife dull if Matheny is manager.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Punto?
PUUUUUUUUNNTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this in a major way
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm on board with everything said there.
I’d like KMac to be traded/non-tendered, of course, which I see happening anyway.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely do this
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I still think a team would trade for him
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
yes...
the pirates also qualify.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want them to tender a contract to Schumaker.
Everything else I like the sound of.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I couldn't tell whether Mo was saying that about Schu
Or the author was assuming that.
I assumed the latter. I certainly don’t want Schu anywhere near this team next year. He Is terrible.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I will address this very topic tomorrow.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
not sure what you mean
when you say Miller is too far away. He’s probably going to start the season at Memphis.
Agreed. Miller has already dominated AA and is the definition of high upside.
He’s not far away at all.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'd put big big money on a Shelby debut before Sept. 1
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
For sure, barring injury.
He’ll be in the starting rotation for 2013. I bet he’s on the playoff roster next year, a la Matt Moore this year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I like your thinking there
It would be nice to start obsessing over the playoff roster for next year!
You need to update your old assumptions about the Cards' farm system. It's so three years ago.
The Cards have a top 5 system in all of baseball.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
not sure it is top 5
but almost certainly is top 10. No MLB team has a farm system packed with superstars. The Cards have more top-end pitching that most. We could definitely use more power-hitting prospects but most teams can say that too. It would be nice to see that the Cards were taking a look at Cespedes (or Jorge Soler) but haven’t read anything regarding that. The Cubs apparently have interest now.
I wouldn't know if they did or didn't...
but I have heard a single prospect guru say it ranks this high.
Sign Roy O
Well, most lists for 2012 aren't out or aren't finished so that's not surprising.
For 2012, the Cards will have a top 5 system. If it’s not top 5, it’s like 6 or 7.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
6-15 isn't very impressive...
lots of relievers, guys with limited upside like Jackson, Cox, Gast, Rosenthal, Kelly… This is where the system kind of fails.
Sign Roy O
For a team that is consistently in the playoffs and picking fairly low, top 10 sounds pretty good to me.
The system keeps producing useful role players and relievers, graduates an occasional starter and provides useful trade bait. I suppose it could be better, but this doesn’t seem bad at all.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
No it's not bad...
also, just to point out, we’ve been to the playoffs twice in five years and one of the two playoff berths was the result of the biggest miracle/meltdown in NL history.
Sign Roy O
Well, OK.
The Cards have had one pick in the top 15 in the past 10 years (Wallace, 13, 2008). That’s all I’m really saying. I know draft position isn’t as big a deal in baseball, but it’s still a factor.
As for where the system is right now, I’ll trust you guys that know more about it.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think Rosenthal has a pretty high upside.
I also think Jackson’s upside is starting MLB shortstop.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not sure what you mean by "limited upside"
Jackson could be an average everyday SS. That is rare these days. Rosenthal has multiple pitches and throws hard. He could profile to a solid #3. That isn’t limited upside and not bad for the fourth best pitching prospect in the system. I’m not sure how Cox profiles long term but Kelly at worst could be a closer with his upper 90s stuff. Other systems don’t have that pitching depth. More depth in the outfield, MI and at C would be nice
I don't see Kelly as a starter or a closer.
At best I think he’s a set up man, but more likely a middle innings guy. Just my opinion though. Maybe he could be a #3 starter for the Pirates or something,
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Kelly's fastball is legit. He never pitched in high school and was a reliever in college
Literally because he just came in from CF and started throwing gas. He’s an athlete still learning how to pitch.
He had two no hit bids this year of 8+ innings. I bet he dominates in AA this year and his results catch up to his stuff.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Kelly got hammered in 5 starts at Hammonds field.
ERA near 8
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
his walk rate for the season was not bad.
Mostly he had terrible issues with home runs, which is both strongly affected by his home park and heavily luck-driven. I suspect he rebounds with a vengeance. His other peripherals were pretty decent.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 13, 2011 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
question
what separates a set-up guy (8th inning) from a closer, other than what’s between the ears?
TLR is gone, long live the king
the ability to dominate.
some of the very best set up men in the league could be closers. Perhaps Matt Adams or Johnny Venters. Other guys are probably better suited to remain in the 8th inning like Fernando Salas. Kyle McClellan was our primary set up guy for a couple seasons, but I doubt you’d want him closing.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
yes, so how good a pitcher is defines whether or not he's ready to be a closer
glad you cleared that up.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Opportunity
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Absolutely nothing, in most cases.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Miller will probably start the year in AA
He’s like 5 starts of dominance away from being worthy of starting in the big leagues.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm going to assume that you mean AAA
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'd imagine he starts at AA
And the AA→bigs is what top pitching prospects do. Kershaw and Verlander never spent a start at AAA. The Lincecums, Strasburgs, Billingsleys and Hansons of the world were wasting their time there and only did so because of the Super 2 thing—-which should be going away/changed in the new CBA.
I know some of those guys were college and all, but the principle is the same. It’s basically a waste to have a pitcher with dominant stuff facing hitters who largely aren’t talented enough to be in the big leagues. AA is a sufficient test for “stuff” pitchers (this is the part of TINSTAAP that people forget). If he were to go out and kill it in AA (say >10 K/9, <3.5 BB/9), he’s ready to pitch in the big leagues. It might not be optimal from an innings perspective, but as a fill in for injury? He’d be the 1st choice.
Not afraid to nitpick
I can't see de la Cruz on this list.
At least not yet. He’s such a butcher in the field that nothing else matters. If he can’t fix that, he will not have a major-league career.
I’d certainly consider putting Whiting on in place of him, and Adron Chambers has a much better case as well. He didn’t spend “significant” time in the Show. Keith Butler, Tyler Rahmatulla, Tyler Lyons (where did that come from??), and even Brandon Dickson (I’m not bothered by “old” pitching prospects nearly as much as by old hitting prospects) would also come ahead of dlC on my list, although only Rahmatulla is a candidate for the top 20.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
rahmatulla wouldn't be in my top 30
college guys with high OPSes in rookie ball show up every year, and usually we don’t see them again. he’s more likely to be isaias garcia or phil cerreto than he is anything else.
I don't think you're looking enough at pedigree if he's not even in your top 30.
He was all-pac 10 as a sophomore before succumbing to a rash of weird setbacks, an injury at the bottom of a dog pile and some academic issues. He was in rookie ball to get used to playing baseball again, not based on talent alone. He wasn’t shifted to low A, I think, because of Wong. Also, he supposedly has the defensive chops to stay at 2b, so a comparison to all bat guys like Cerreto is, IMO, off base.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
it would certainly be a break from the dick jokes
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
ot oh sweet bird of concentration
to where have you flown? i have already resorted to starbucks and still you elude me.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OT: Super Mario 3D Land is amazing
I feel like I did in 1996 when I played Mario 64 and the then revolutionary camera system was introduced. Super Mario 3D Land is how 3D platformers should be done from now on.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions
oh, i was wondering about that!
i saw an ad for it and it looked great
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
Some people however can’t deal with 3D without headaches so it’s obviously not for them, but there’s a slider to adjust the strength. The one thing I’d advise to anyone buying a 3DS is to buy some sort of gamegrip add on. I have huge hands and my thumbs get really cramped if I play for a long period of time. I bought a game grip from Amazon, and my hands feel fine.
I’d also recommend Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3DS and Starfox 64 3DS.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Wow. Yeah, I just went and read about the Ocarina remake. It sounds very cool.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
It's very good
The game looks beautiful, the water temple is still a bitch (though they claim it’s easier) and once you beat it you get to play the master quest which is also mirrored
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Donovan Solano's walk rate over 344 2010 PAs in Memphis:
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
whoa.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
At least he more than doubled it this year.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Donovan Solano is one of the least relevant prospects I've ever seen.
I wouldn’t care if his walk rate was 0%
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
big year for Tommy Pham
he’s gotta play his way onto the 40-man this year, else he’ll be gone as a MiL FA. best-case scenario -- he stays healthy, hits at Memphis, and gets called up to St. Louis in September
by lboros on Nov 13, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
....it's lboros!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
It really is shocking that after all these years he's done so little to climb up the rankings.
If he could put it all together, he could be a starter in the majors someday.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
40 Man Protection?
I think I would put Mr. Pham on the 40 man this year. Why not? There really aren’t many others that warrant an addition… and their is space… The only downside is that he would probably either sneak through the rule 5 or be given back before he “made it” with another team.
Speaking of right handed OF - how about we resign either Joey Bombs or Brian Barton (or is it Barden – DANG)
Why would they put him on the 40 man before they're ready to bring him up?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Because..
If another team were willing to risk $25K and a big league roster spot they could have him for that low low price. Assuming Pham’s pasted together full AA year is for real, he could be more valuable than that…
I think they should put him in AAA and see what he does.
His BABIPs were ridiculous at AA, but I think there’s some improvement there. Idk if he can be a 20-20 guy or anything like that, but I think he could be a decent hitter that can play center and possibly platoon with Jay.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
According to MLBTR
Cardinals GM John Mozeliak told Joe Strauss of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the team is projecting Daniel Descalso as their Opening Day second baseman
Also says that Mo "wouldn’t mind’ having Greene/Descalso up the middle on opening day.
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story also mentions that Bryan Anderson will be in competition with Tony Cruz
Matheny has always been a strong advocate of Anderson…..Look at me, talking as if Matheny has already been named manager.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
He has now
According to www.mlbtraderumors.com
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Nov 13, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Either would be fine with me.
Cruz seems to have leapfrogged Anderson on all the depth charts though. Do we get to see Chambers as the 4th OF next year possibly?
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reply fail.
/hangs head in shame.
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rub some dirt on it
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
All out of dirt. What about glass dust or asbestos?
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
insert standard warnings about medical advice on VEB
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express though?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
OF COURSE!
Who needs a doctorate when you have Holliday Inn?!
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thanks a lot Matt Holliday
now i never know if i’m spelling it correctly or not
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I mispelled it on purpose
it was meant to be a horrible pun.
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
it took me about three tries to figure it out, haha.
the Tremendous Skull triumphs again
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
and get back out there
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Craig Allen would like a word.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't like calling him a 4th OF though
I feel like he could get 500-600 filling in at all the corners.
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For me he's the 9th starter.
Automatically plays when anyone gets a day off except Molina.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
The Ghost of Todd Burns is clearly referring to the Ghost of Tony
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
will have to see if there's an opening for 3rd OF first.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Chambers is going to have to look a hell of a lot better against MLB pitching
in Spring Training to guarantee himself a spot. I’d like to have him around though, I’m so sick of having the SLOWEST BASEBALL TEAM ON EARTH.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
too bad we don't have a gritty high-energy shortstop who can leg out a triple.
too soon?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think Mr. Greene will be around.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
it would be foolish not to keep him
and foolish for him to not be taking some fly balls in center
if he could do that reasonably well, he’d be assured of a spot
TLR is gone, long live the king
he'll be entering a Boog position
options are about run out, IIRC
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
get him some ADD meds just in case
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not sure there are meds to make him less creepy
or resolve bad-tasting clubhouse stuff involving one’s agent.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
They are
but he appears to have Mozeliak in his corner.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
or more importantly
he doens’t have Tony in the opposite corner anymore
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We're at least faster than that team Bugs Bunny joined in that one cartoon segment.
I give you the Teetotallers
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 13, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
however, Bugs Bunny took over the entire team.
it’s like making a trade…. without losing any hare
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome
the team in the blue/gray unis were the Gashouse Gorillas. That’s the ol’ pepper, booooooy! Show ‘em the ol’ cannonball, kiiiiid!
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
i think it was only said once, oddly enough
but did anyone else notice that our postseason was clearly dictated from a Buffalo Wild Wings?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
i thought it was like a story i wrote for 5th grade english class
only freese was the MVP instead of me.
by molina mo problems on Nov 13, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but did you go to high school with Ryan Howard
that’s what really matters
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no but one of my bandmates took a class with him in college so it kinda counts
by molina mo problems on Nov 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
i think that counts
it would only count more if he made you a sandwich.
or bought you a sandwich, in his case.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
yeah there's two subways within walking distance of campus
howard really has no excuse for dropping the ball there.
by molina mo problems on Nov 13, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, arguable one of our best commenters posted that thought.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I chased this link
and just reread the thread from that point.
Good Times.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I enjoy watching SBN struggle to switch old comment avatars back.
I fixed mine early this morning, and I check SBN’s progress every few hours. It’s endearingly valiant in its progress.
Still not a werewolf.
Felt like changing it.
Plenty of good options here.
Or here.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
it looks so... so...
ungreen!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It is easy to forget that the new CBA actually does have some important issues.
The new deal is expected to put a lid on the amount of money teams spend on draft picks and overhaul draft-pick compensation for free agents.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions
i see your grubby bee-infested hands, Boras.
back! back!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
There's more talent draining from baseball...
Why couldn’t Selig have one of these mini-strokes that allow him to live a comfortable, healthy life but preclude employment?
Sign Roy O
Jordan Swagerty
sounds like the name of a character from a Matt Christopher book. DanUp, are you certain you haven’t mixed up the Cardinals prospect list with “The Year Mom Won the Pennant?”
Patience is a virtue, until it's too late
by redbird brain on Nov 13, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Old Spice as a VEB moniker is fading
generally speaking
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There hasn't been much focus on prospects what with all the other shenanigans going on lately.
We’ll see if it comes back as spring approaches.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Win for the Christopher reference.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Thanks
Appreciate the semi off the wall list … and the mention of Jon Edwards… If only he played catcher - he would be a pretty good closer by now…
Cardinals 25-man prospect roster - with possible starting levels.
1B – Matt Adams – AAA
2B – Kolten Wong – A+
SS – Ryan Jackson – AAA
3B – Zack Cox – AAA
C – Cody Stanley – A+
OF – Oscar Tavares – A+
OF – Tommy Pham – AAA
OF – Charlie Tilson – A
Bench – Matt Carpenter – MLB (hopefully)
Bench – CJ McElroy – A
Bench – Tyler Rhamatulla – A
Bench – Roberto De La Cruz – A
Bench – Jonathan Rodriguez – A+
SP – Shelby Miller – AAA
SP – Carlos Martinez – A+
SP – Tyrell Jenkins – A
SP – Trevor Rosenthal – A+
SP – Joe Kelly – AA
RP – Jordan Swagerty – AA
RP – Adam Reifer – AAA
RP – Maikel Cleto – AAA
RP – Boone Whiting – A+
RP – Keith Butler – AA
LRP – John Gast – AA
LRP – Justin Wright – A+
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 1:20 PM EST reply actions
Notable omissions:
Pete Kozma – 2007 1st rounder (18th overall)
Robert Stock – 2009 2nd rounder (67th overall)
Seth Blair – 2010 – supplemental 1st rounder (46th overall)
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Good list
Only changes I’d make are that McElroy and possibly Tilson start off in rookie ball. McElroy probably starts at JC and Tilson at Batavia although he could make QC.
I agree.
I just wish those leagues started at the beginning of the season.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
OT: need to name new iphone 4S.
Old one was named Willie.
Options this time include: Ozzie, Stan, Puma, Dizzy, and Larry Walker.
Help!
I guess "Freese" isn't a good name for an iphone
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
i should name my blackberry "Freese"
Because it freeses about 5 times a day
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
iPuma
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Because I like the sound of "iPuma the iPod."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Lilliquist
But then you wouldn’t be able have intelligible conversations
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking along these lines too
Bullpen
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 13, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
he should just name it Mottelynnski
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And every time he makes a call he gets Scrabble!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
forsch seems like a good name for a phone.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 13, 2011 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Skip
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I recently saw a scouting report saying that Martinez had something of a tendency to tip his pitches
It may have been linked from here. Said that you could tell when he was gonna throw a curve. Something to work on.
http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/PitchingMechanics101/Analyses/CarlosMartinez.html
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
Chris OLeary = ThePainGuy on VEB.
So yea, he posted it here.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ha...
can anyone name a pitcher drafted by the Cardinals in 2011? I was just looking it over and didn’t recognize a single pitchers name. In fact the only names I recognized were Wong, Tilson, McElroy, Peoples-Walls, Jeffries Rhamatulla, and Rasmus. Guess I didn’t follow the draft as closely as I usually do.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 2:16 PM EST reply actions
Highish round pitchers
5 170 Sam Gaviglio RHP Oregon State Ore. 8 260 Danny Miranda LHP Miami Fla. 9 290 Tyler Mills RHP Michigan Mich. 11 350 Seth Maness RHP East Carolina N.C.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle Hald (18th round) had an awesome year this year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, yeah. A nice line with JC.
A game with 6IP and 11K. Nice.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Gaviglio only pitched a handful of innings with Batavia late in the season.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
maness had a great start. if he follows with a good
2012, He could be a prospect.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 13, 2011 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Todd mcinnis also had a very good year.
But like maness, I always worry about college RHP who are pitchability guys. You usually end up with Jess Todd in the end, at best.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Before 2011, it could have been argued that 4 of the top 5 and 8 of the top 10 prospects were pitchers.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
oh i know...
They definitely needed to focus on offense. Maybe next year, too.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Just made a kick-ass pot of chili
thanks to one of my secret ingredients – Williams chili seasoning that I bought when last in MO. This is nowhere to be found on the east coast. Can’t tell you how many people ask for the secret – it’s all mine, MWAAAAH!
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
oh man I need to buy some chili ingredients soon
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
that's one of my favorites
one of the best batches I’ve made consisted of that plus a lot of my own ingredients. used like 2 different recipes then winged it
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
So wait
Are you saying the Williams is the secret ingredient or are there others?
I’ve yet to reach ‘secret’ ingredient status, although I am pretty happy with where my chilis are at these days.
I’ve tried brown sugar, cinnamon, and peanut butter as ‘secret’ ingredients (given the number of times friends or the internets recommends them, they are probably only borderline secret). My goal was to make a spicy chili a bit sweeter, but I’ve found carrots does that and also adds some better depth of taste and of course texture.
if you want a really weird sweet/spicy use peaches
actually was really good, just different
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
millions of peaches
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
peaches for free
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
LOOK OUT!
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Let's say it's the "main" secret ingredient
though I add a few others. If you want to make it sweeter, I’ve found that adding lime juice from 2-3 limes and a little extra cumin compliment the flavor. Whatever you do, though, DO NOT include lime peel.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
i add a little liquid smoke
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
baseball is great
winning the World Series is great.
Have a great day.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 13, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Good day to you, too
I make it a point to bask in Cardinals greatness at least a couple times a day.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
another Sunday of great handegg in STL
Rams lead Browns 13-12 in 4th quarter
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions
Dear MLB teams,
Please sign more free agents. I’m bored. Some trades would be nice too. Also, would it kill Boston, Chicago, and STL to hurry up and name some managers? I need reading material, damnit.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions
Careful, Miami might take you up on that.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
or
BREAKING NEWS: JOE MORGAN HIRED AS CARDINALS’ MANAGER
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
needs moar blockquote
BREAKING NEWS: JOE MORGAN HIRED AS CARDINALS’ MANAGER
pretty sure that would break veb.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
VEB would just cease to be.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
That is almost or perhaps even worse than if they had named Valentine
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I hope the Marlins sign everyone except Pujols.
Phuck the Phillies.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently there is news that Reyes has signed, so I guess Miami did grant your wish.
Pending a physical. Though I can’t find any details anywhere though. Apparently it was said on MLBN radio. Source
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
OK, now he posts this:
BizballMaury Maury Brown
MLB Network Radio saying they are NOT reporting Reyes to Marlins. Hearing elsewhere it IS happening.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Must wait for the Home Run display to indicate the signing.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Is Miami the first team he met with?
Is this going to be another Papelboner?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like it could be.
I’m still waiting to see an actual link to someone saying it happened, instead of someone saying, “Someone else is saying this.”
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
hmm.
SurfingTheMetsAndy Martino
Reyes’ agent RT @ChrisLeible: Won a softball dh today, clinched 1st seed (22-2) Enjoying the #nfl. Not much else going on #verynormalsunday
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Huh.
What’s with the weird twitter rumors swirling around?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
smokescreen perhaps?
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer to use Double Team, or Sand-Attack.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Satisfied ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 13, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
So I don't know if anyone has seen this little gem, but it's pretty good
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Nov 13, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions
That's really good.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Sleeper picks-
Alan Ahmady
Gary Apelian
Breyvic Valera
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
Ahmady hit one home run last year in 450 PAs across high A and AA as a 23 y/o
And by all accounts is a terrible defender. Having a +15% walk rate is useful but it can’t be all that a player does.
I am interested to see how Valera develops next year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lordy, Ahmady!
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
My two chances having seen Ahmady play
he looked like a passable third baseman, but SSS.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Nov 13, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
This is just based on a quick perusal of his stats...
But Taveras’s walk rates don’t seem close to justifying the label “unlimited-upside hitting prospect”.
I'm not concerned about this at all.
he drew more walks as a 19 year old in A ball in far less PA’s than Vlad Guerrero did as a 20 year old in A ball.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Taveras does not have Vladi's power.
There are few, if any, scouts that think Taveras can hit 30+ HRs in the majors.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think Vlad, like Ichiro and some other unique players, are not very likely to be helpful as comps for young players
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
didn't really mean to use Vlad as a comp...
just saying that BB rate in low-A doesn’t concern me for a premier hitting prospect.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
when you can smack the ball around like he can
who cares about taking a walk?
Well, baseball was fun.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
He won't be able to smack it around the same way in the majors.
He will need to supplement his great contact skills with some power and patience skills.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
On the other hand
Your avatar is awesome.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
The old school logos are cool
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'm beating fang like a rented mule in fantasy football.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Nov 13, 2011 5:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
hahahaha
I’ll take ‘Things that I never thought I’d read from fink’ for 1000, Alex.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
What? Are you saying you thought he'd beat me???
;)
Actually, as docile as I may seem, I love talking trash in fantasy sports.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Nah. It's just that particular line caught me offguard.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
A nice little Jew boy like you?
not really. But I like surprises.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. My ex-wife is from Farmington. My current wife is from a town far smaller than that.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
hahahaha
‘How long you been married?’ ’It’s a fluid situation.’
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
So long as I don't refer to mine as "my first wife"
I figure I’m doing OK.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
My dad told that joke, and I turned to my wife and said
“honey, I promise I’ll never refer to you as my first wife.”
It’s a personal comedic highlight.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
well done
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how big Farmington is.
/other side of the river
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
17,000. In the "lead belt."
My wife’s from Glasgow. Actually, outside of Glasgow. Population 1600.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
The village that I grew up near is somewhere between 500-700.
The town where I went to HS is 7-8k.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Are you in Southern Illinois?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
South Central, technically
TBender and Eckstreme say that we’re not just because they grew up a stone’s throw from Kentucky.
I’m from outside of Salem.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT, CHICAGOAN.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Now you're just getting nasty.
you glorified hillbilly
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
We may have had this conversation before when I had to much Scotch
I’m from Farina
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well then, I'm from Iuka.
I know Farina better than okay.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, I hated playing Iuka when I was playing based balls
you guys had some big dudes in my day. I’m 46.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm 41.
You were playing against the Albert boys and a couple of Brubakers, probably a couple of Helms and a Moore and a Bell probably a Runyon in there with a couple of Quandts.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
and that was some real baseball.
I played my 12 year old season in Salem and it sucked. Little bitty damn field. Kids that could barely throw the ball. I teed off there but it wasn’t nearly as competitive as the small town league was.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I tell my wife about us small town farm boys boys but she thinks its just wishful thinking or remembering wrong
My name is Bryan Allen. I recognize the Quandt and Brubaker surnames but not the rest.
Speaking of little fields I always thought Zenia was small but loved the grass infield in those days. Kind of Field of Dreams-ish
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
heh. You weren't remembering wrong.
My name is Mitch Petrea. Nice to meet you. I don’t know a great lot of people from up there. Jahraus’ and Engles and some of the Fords and the Vandeveers from Kinmundy.
Xenia did have a nice field. They also had a fence, which not many did. Did you guys ever play on the field in Patoka where the outfield turned into a cemetary? I hated playing there.lol
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 14, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
creepin
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 14, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Don't worry he's in Austin, right clank? ..................... clank? .............................. claaaaaaaank....clank you Are still in Austin right? !!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 14, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yes I now the Jahraus's and the Engels, those my age and old that is
And yes I remember Patoka, Kindmudy, Zenia, Iuka, Odin, Sandoval, St Peter, Alma, etc’s fields and teams. It was definitely fun and I had a great time. Our field didn’t have a fence and my memory was most years it was a cornfield beyond the outfield. I hit quite a few into the cornfield :)
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 14, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Glasgow was about 1200 when she was growing up.
The high school I went to had around 1500 students.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I know where that is
I have a friend who moved to a spot outside of Fayette. Finding their place in the dark sucks.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
It's my sinful outlet,
much like the Protestant grandma who has a small glass of port once a month when she’s just had enough of her relatives’ cursing at the dinner table..
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I'd kill to see my mother do that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I believe you would find "mysterui's mom" in the R section, Alex
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
you could find her in every section
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
just noticed the new Marlins M could be an inverted W
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2011 5:56 PM EST reply actions
doesn't that M just seem too damn big?
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
still can't believe how bad that logo is
just cracked up a room of people by showing them that logo
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeesh..glad they caught it.
dgooldDerrick Goold
this is not a metaphor! RT "@SoftliSTL: Rams happy flight delayed because of mechanical issues. Flat tire."
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 5:57 PM EST reply actions
I think that would be a bit hard to overlook.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
No source named but...
@jonmorosi
Jon Morosi
#STLCards name Mike Matheny manager.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 13, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
also
SI_JonHeymanJon Heyman
cardinals announce mike matheny got the managing job. nice call. respected by everyone.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Passan and Heyman also mention it...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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And now Rains...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
BJRains B.J. Rains
Cardinals name Mike Matheny manager. Press conference tomorrow morning.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Presser at 11am tomorrow.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
confirmed!
@miklasz Bernie Miklasz
Yes, is official: Cardinals announce Matheny as manager. 11 a.m. news conference Monday.
Balls
I have no idea if this is good or bad, but I'm gonna be enthusiastic.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if this holds up
the shake out in the coaching ranks will be interesting.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
not so sure there will be a whole lot of shake up.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
That's part of what will be interesting.
Oquendo has to be wondering what a guy has to do to get a manager’s gig. Either that or he’s happy being 3B coach in StL.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I read a quote from Oquendo where he sounded pretty relaxed about it:
If it’s not going to be me, I’m not going to be saying, ‘Why not? Why not me?’ If it happens, it happens.
(Link, under the “Notes, Quotes” section.) It’s always hard to know how much to read into something like that, but a hopeful face-value reading is that he’ll be OK coming back as 3B coach. I can’t imagine Duncan getting tossed, and I dunno about the rest, but I’m inclined to agree with Ghost; Matheny’s not directly in-house right now, but he was here recently enough that he’s going to be pretty familiar with a lot of the coaching staff, and it’s not like he has his own staff to bring in. Hopefully there will be a lot of continuity.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'll leave until someone offers to make him a manager.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
he also said he'd be willling to stay if asked.
he’s pretty settled in saint louis. I think it’d take a managing gig to get him to leave or to just be told not to come back.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if being passed over in StL would discourage or encourage other teams to offer him a managing gig
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
i think that was his last chance.
0/4 on manager interviews. Teams must not like what he has to say.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Huh, he's only 48.
I thought he was older for some reason. He’s still no kid, though. I wonder how many MLB managers get their first job after 50.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
After all, he played for a La Russa team as recently as 2004. He was teammates with McGwire and a ton of the current roster. I cant’ see this creating radical shakedowns.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Actually not a ton of the current roster
if Pujols goes elsewhere, the only current cardinals who were on the 2004 squad will be Carp and Yadi.
Didn’t know there was this much turnover since then.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
the TLR coaching staff has been pretty stable though
Duncan, Oquendo & McKay have been here forever….Pettini too, IIRC.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
I like it
Not that I’m in any position to have a really informed opinion about it, but I like it.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I'd have been fairly comfortable in a vaguely uninformed way with any of the people
on the short list, which I guess was kind of the point of this post by DanUp.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
No shit? I actually guessed right?
That don’t happen everyday.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
got some news
Derrick Goold
@dgoold Derrick Goold
#Cardinals announce Matheny will be next manager. Press release just sent out. #STLcards
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Tim McKernan
@tmckernan Tim McKernan
Per text exchange with John Mozeliak, Mike Matheny is the new manager of the Cardinals. Press conference tomorrow.
Balls
ugh
wanted Francona or Oquendo
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
No, Tim McKernan is a worthless tool.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't mind McKernan.
Always seems like a pretty enthusiastic supporter of St. Louis (the city as a whole). We need those people speaking positively to a potentially wide audience.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
Yeah, and the porn!
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the porn is so overblown it's not even funny
i can’t defend him, hell he says himself he can’t defend himself. people either like him or hate him, i like him. maybe i’m part dbag but i find the show with him & the cat extreamly enjoyable. are there parts i don’t like? absolutely. but all in all it’s very enjoyable.
Balls
What's this about porn?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
listen to his show every morning
I don’t care for when he talks sports, but the interviews with Mike Lee are wonderful.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
i agree.
and guess what? his job is to attract listeners. and he does a damn good job of it.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Different strokes for different folks.
Slaten attracts an audience with a stick up their ass, McKernan attracts an audience who may have put one up there on their own :)
And, more importantly, the show has Doug Vaughn.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
i still think mckernan plays it up a little bit.
marketing never ends.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
What terrible terrible reasoning.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
no, it's really not.
tool? sure, maybe. that’s like your opinion, man.
worthless? i think 590 would completely disagree.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shitballs
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by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Calm yourselves.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Honestly, I don't think this a great photo of him.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
so you're saying
there should be moar?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm saying I'd like a different go-to Matheny picture.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's kind of a similar look, right?
Like, maybe they could be cousins, but you wouldn’t mistake one for the other.
My dad has this with Michael Ironside, Hugo Weaving, and Jack Nicholson. It’s kind of weird.
I like this one, and the one below it.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
we do have towels, people.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Glad to see he bought a 1999 Regis Philbin starter kit.
That’s fucking awful.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is the picture you're looking for...
rugged + puppies
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
just sucking up to TLR
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
Breaking:
Milwaukee, WI / AP
Major League Baseball announced today that all field managers will be required to wear suits during regular-season games.
“Although we understand that this is a break from tradition, the concept of the field manager wearing a standard uniform has outlived its usefulness” said Commissioner of Baseball Bud Selig.
In related news, swooning has been reported throughout Cardinal Nation with the announcement that Mike Matheny will be named manager on Monday.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mint Julip
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
virgin mint julip then? Would that even taste good?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
They can.
I understand that it’s not recommended, though. One glass of wine every now and then, supposedly, is considered okokay.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 13, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
(Well, another fine mess I've gotten myself into)
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 13, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
If she's down for the night, I can have a drink.
She sleeps for 6-8 hours, plenty of time for a drink to wear off. I also have alcohol test strips if I’m ever unsure whether it’s safe.
Usually a drink just knocks me out, though, so I don’t indulge often. It’s been over two weeks since I had a beer. Okay a half-beer because I started falling asleep half-way through.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
I've had enough ruling from England, thanks.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it should prolly be va-pehs
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Will starting pitchers also be required to wear suits on their off days?
I would support that.
by peach concrete on Nov 13, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
that bodes well for us
for the phillies on the other hand…
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Nov 13, 2011 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even fat guys look better in a suit than a baseball uniform.
Bud really thought this through.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Cholly can go all hunting jacket on us
room for his squirrel-hunting rifle
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 13, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Guys, I heard Matheny is the new manager!!!
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Is he from St. Louis?
Where’d he go to high school?
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone know ANYTHING about this guy?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
He was a really good defensive catcher in the early to mid 2000's
Carp likes him calling games better than having his wife call games
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
No my retort to a post from yesterday
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
LoMoGoHoRo
4 – 0 Marlins
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not from the future
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
how about that
Mike Ma-fuckin-theny
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
It even made me stop Skyrim for a minute
and drop by
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter
Does Matheny have a nickname?
I can’t recall having heard one, and there isn’t one listed at his BRef page. This will be an important aspect of his development as a manager in 2012.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:22 PM EST reply actions
Skipper.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
too soon
it will always be way too soon
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
by nota bene on Nov 13, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
From post by nota bene above it could be MMFT
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Because TLR
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Nov 13, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He is one of Tony's guys!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
We'll say "Aw gee, at least he's handsome."
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this does fit in with the anti-jinx meme which we totally don't use against opposing pitchers. totally.
my expert call
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ha!
like it’ll ever be all Matheny’s fault!
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
A man that good-looking can only shoulder so much blame!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Nov 13, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"don't hate him because he's beautiful"
should be the response to “Because MM”
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
because MSM?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Because
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter
by Paulspike on Nov 13, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"That's not Ma-theory"?
(Ok, that was lame)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
M2
Don’t know how to do the deal where the 2 is like M squared…help this could be it
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Good for Mo
the puppet has now become the puppeteer.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
the thought of Mo having his hand up Matheny's ass is rather disturbing
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm...
i was thinking more along the lines of marianettes
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
SAY WHAT YOU MEAN. DAMMIT
I may not sleep tonite.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Do we call this post-LaRussa era "The Puppet Regime"?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
i think it means the front office is going to have a lot more power,
which i think is a really good thing.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I dunno if I like that or not...
My grandfather has some weird theory about the current Dewitt running the team like the old Dewitt’s ran the Browns, and every time I see Bill Jr, he scares me in a “Wait a little while and we’ll blow the whole flipping thing up and break your heart and make you cry or something”. But gramps and me are two weird birds.
yes because the front office is totally the owner.
not really the same thing. i was referencing mozeliak and his minions. basically, hopefully, we won’t have the same interpersonal relationship problems the tlr era embodied.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I understand that,
but have always felt that Mo was a little more influenced by ownership than Walt was. No evidence whatsoever for it, and I think I am dealing with the simple fact that I am uncomfortable with a new manager as much as I was uncomfortable with some of the birdbrained decisions and problems that came from TLR….I hope you’re right, that this is a bright new day for the Birds.
On Dewitt Management
Of course, I recall when Bill DeWitt (the elder) was in charge of the Cincinnati Reds during the mid ’60’s. And on a Day of Infamy in Dec 1965, traded away slugger Frank Robinson to the Orioles for Pitcher Milt Pappas. The Reds in those days had hitting to burn but a lack of pitching. They called Robinson an ‘old 30. So, Robinson led the O’s to a Series win in 1966 and numerous division championships
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
I'm okay with it
I feel bad for Oquendo, but I’m just glad they didn’t hire Francona.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
agreed on both counts
but you know, Oquendo just clearly has not said the right things in the interview- and i trust that he would had gotten the job if he was the right man for it.
Francona wojuld have felt like getting RED SOX castoffs and it wouldn't have gone well either way, win or lose with the east centric media
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
David Ortiz starting first baseman.
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11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I do too
For no other reason that I am assuming the org will have a clear power structure now and expect him to command the proper respect from the team too. Tactically who knows, but that’s true of everyone anyway.
by Merry CRasmus on Nov 13, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
doh, I didn't see it spelled "methany"
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there you go
if he does something dumb, we’ll just make methane jokes
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
But do you have to answer all of the questions? or just the ones you know?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Was a nod to the mutiple guess tests where you are just scored on the ones you answered, not percentage of all the questions
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, at least they didn't hire Pat Metheny
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'd make a good manager
but good lord that man can play the everlasting shit out of the guitar. Just saw him in concert about a month ago for the first time.
(He would have the best hair in the major leagues though….)
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
okay, maybe 2nd best
that’s actually a pretty good comp though. Look him up on Google Images if you don’t believe me.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
He'd also have the wickedest guitar in the MLB
Metheny’s pikasso
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 13, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
as ridiculous looking as that is
when I watched him actually play it, it seemed perfectly reasonable. Damn thing sounded unbelievable. The sympathetic strings make a huge difference in the sound.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
what the fuck?!
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Because of his selfishness.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
missouri is the methany capital of the US.
Or, did we just accidentally hire a jazz guitarist to run the club?
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 13, 2011 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
dammit somebody made a metheny joke already.
ignorance without the bliss - aimee mann
by tom s. on Nov 13, 2011 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I step away from veb for a few moments and all hell breaks loose
some things never change
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions
nah
I don’t see why they would let Pettini go. Barring somebody quitting or leaving for another gig, my guess is that everybody’s going to stay put.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
+1
He already has (or had) a working relationship with all the coaches when he was a player. Seems natural to keep them, unless there is some personality conflict that can’t be worked out.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
i was thinking 3B coach with Oquendo moving to bench coach.
I bet he does get promoted whatever the case may be with Pop Warner ascending to AAA as the next manager in waiting if Matheny fails.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
is there any reason not to keep Pettini?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Matheny?
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
by Ted Glover on Nov 13, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
no
not unless matheny doesn’t want him, which would be foolish.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be PISSED if I were Oquendo
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by peppermartin on Nov 13, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
It appears that he's not, however.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
What are you basing that on?
It would soothe my nerves to know that Oquendo is pretty okay with being passed over.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
I heard on Bernie's show
That after the interview he made some comments saying he hopes he can stay with the club if they move in another direction.
by Merry CRasmus on Nov 13, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, that seems reasonable if they brought in someone like Francona or Maddon.
Will he feel the same after getting passed up by a guy who has no coaching experience anywhere?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
He was a roving instructor in the minors
I know that’s not the same as a big league job, but that’s not “no experience anywhere”
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
He was playing little league while Oquendo was playing for Whitey
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Someone posted a quote from him upthread.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
No. He has said he'd stay if not hired.
I think he’s here until we don’t want him or another team offers him a managing job.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
depends on if the Marlins hire him, then wave him in front of Albert.
….. what? what did I say?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, this is just damned exciting
In honor of the news I think pitchers and catchers should report tomorrow (after the joint press conference where they announce Matheny as manager and Pujols’ new team-friendly contract).
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions
Hmm, that's a good question - will this hire have any effect on Albert's decision?
I have no idea, but I’m willing to speculate wildly!
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
nope.
Unless it somehow means the Cardinals offer him more or less $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
The 2 seem pretty unrelated.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Man, you suck at wild speculation - your post makes too much sense
I have a developing theory that Matheny is the super prodigy of this guy (as seen in an in-flight magazine near you!!), and he’s going to convince Pujols to just re-do his last contract.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
So Matheny it is. I'm cool with that, much to the relief of the FO, I'm sure.
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
Matheny scored well in the FO's "vico vote" column...
…it’s heavily weighted toward that column.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
i like the idea
but at some point, i wonder if the cards making this move will come back to haunt them b/c of matheny’s lack of experience.
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Lance will handle the dugout and press, Dunc the Bullpen, and Carp the pitching staff until Matheny get's the feel
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
How could it come back to haunt them?
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Only bad thing about Oquendo not getting it ...
I was kinda hoping he’d bring back some of his old teammates and we’d have kind of a hybrid TLR/Whiteyball staff.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:35 PM EST reply actions
Frankenstein's monster, that would be!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
attn Cardinals front office
please consider hiring Ozzie Smith for wizardry coach
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
exactly.
And Vince Coleman as baserunning coach.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
"You see guys, the first thing is that you have to be able to run really, really fast"
The second thing, be ready with fireworks…
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Third thing is to work on your short irons in the clubhouse.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
fourth thing:
be aware of the status of automatic tarps at all times.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
by nota bene on Nov 13, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Number 5:
always hide your cocaine from the manager
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
6: Raise your hand if you've had gymnastics training? Anyone?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, we could definitely use some wizardry at SS
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I Believe In The Power Of Handsomeness
It means that Matheny will probably be a decent manager.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
Heh..
keithlaw
keithlaw
Zero experience managing at any level, right? No thanks. "BirdsontheBat82: @keithlaw thoughts on Matheny?"The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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What?
He has the EXACT same problem with it that you posted last night.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
i'm willing to bet he hated him prior to that snarky little comment about Matheny
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
That is false.
Passan lives to crap on St. Louis.
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they both do, law said the day after the 06 World Series
the Cards were the worst World Series winning team of all time
Balls
This is debatable, but there's certainly an argument for it.
Definitely one of the worst regular season performances from a team that won the World Series. Though I think it’s silly to judge a World Series team solely on its regular season performance. Injuries happen, rosters change, etc.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
That said, didn't the Twins have a negative run differential?
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
1987?
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Yeah...1987 Twins
786 RS
806 RA
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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jesus tits
I did not know that.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
if only we'd had HFA that year......
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit - I had no idea
They had a 79-83 pythag that year!!
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Right, if that's what he means there's not debate.
But if you judge a team based on its actual roster, it’s very debatable. I don’t think KLaw hates the Cards, though he does enjoy a good bit of snark.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, and he sure loves those Cards pitching prospects.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know, he's always trashing them
i don’t know who pissed him off, i assume TLR or Dave did
Balls
i hate the guy, there's nothing anyone can say to change that
Balls
by gdm426 on Nov 13, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I could probably make an argument
that the 2006 Cardinals had the worst #5 starter of any team that eventually won the world series.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
How Important is the 5th Starter for the Series
How Important is the 5th Starter for the World Series anyhow, given that most teams use 3 starters at most for a series anyhow.
But for bad third starter, I would vote for the Twins team that beat us in 1987 for having the worst 3rd starter.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
That's actually my point
the regular season 2006 Cardinals are dramatically worse than the postseason 2006 Cardinals solely by the subtraction of Jason Marquis.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Well they do say the Playoffs is different from the regular season
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
On Greinke
I actually work with someone with that last name. I should ask her if her husband is related.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
seems a little harsh
I don’t think it’s an unreasonable concern that Matheny has almost no experience. Doesn’t bother me but I could see how it would bother some.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
oh, well then carry on
(but try to refrain from elevating Passan in the process. Nobody is worse than Passan)
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I'd say about 85% of what Passan wrote during the postseason was surprisingly reasonable FWIW
he snapped out of it after the WS, though.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Mattingly and Gibson had no experience as well
correct?
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Also, Robin Ventura.
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and AJ Hinch...
oh wait…nevermind.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
did ozzie guillen have experience before managing the white sox?
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coaching experience with Marlins, I believe
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I should've typed "managing experience"
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lots of guys get managing gigs with no managing experience
most have coaching experience though
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
TLR w/ the ChiSox, right?
everybody has to start somewhere….
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
He managed in New Orleans first, right?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
No, but he did come up through the White Sox org before becoming their manager.
He was a player at New Orleans.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Larry Dierker
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the thing with Gibson is that he's got a pretty experienced coaching staff down there in the desert
if the Cards stay with the status quo, so will Matheny
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm tired of Law and his anti-Cards bias
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EVERY WRITER HAS AN ANTI-CARDS BIAS
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i love law.
i have no idea a lot of people here dislike him so much.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
me and mysterui were being sarcastic (i think)
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that's total bullshit you asshole
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Nov 13, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think the 2009 cy vote is still fresh in many cards fans minds.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
You mean the completely legitimate point of view?
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LEGITIMATELY STUPID!!!!
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
it was rightly linecum's cy.
i disagree with everything else law did though.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Which means he hates the Cardinals
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i never said that.
i was simply giving a reason why some fans may feel the way they do. stop making something out of nothing, rui.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
...what?
I was trying to show that a lot of Cardinals fans disagreed with him, and then they used that as fact that he hated the Cardinals
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which is true.
you just made it look like that was the conclusion i was drawing, which wasn’t true.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm tired of your anti-Rui bias
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SBN managed to delete the rest of my comment.
so, whatever.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
He voted for the terrible 6 WAR Javier Vazquez
BOOOO!!!! his W/L record sucks!!
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basically everyone went with some combo of carp/waino/lincecum
law had “the nerve,” as many cardinals fans saw it, to put javier vazquez in the second spot and drop wainwright to third and exclude carpenter all together.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Will Carroll played a part in this too didn't he?
Ranked them similarly to KLaw I thought.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know why Will Carroll would have a vote
You’re probably thinking of Joe Sheehan.
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No, Sheehan isn't a BBWAA member, and I think I heard him say he does not want to be.
Carroll and Christina Kahrl are both members.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah?
That’s weird. He only writes about injuries!
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Found it
He voted Waino, Lincecum, Haren. So he left Carp off the list.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I cant stand the guy either
He’s a snarky, arrogant douche who is believes all of his opinions are gospel. He also basically talked a lot on his blog about how much he hates the actual city of St. Louis during the All Star game.
His opinions are usually fine, but I cant stand him as a person.
the actual city of st louis kind of blows.
but whatever you guys. you’re all snarky arrogant douches who think your opinion of keith law is gospel. you also talk a lot on your blog about how much you hate the person keith law.
this is said mostly in jest. i guess i have a higher tolerance for sarcasm than most people.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
"mostly in jest".
i probably haven’t spent enough time in the city of st louis to have a real opinion of it.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I thought the "mostly in jest" part was that they're "all snarky arrogant douches."
The jest is that you only think a handful of them are snarky arrogant douches. WHICH ONES, IL ROSSO? WHICH ONES?
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
i lived in st louis (well, in west county, so not the city at all) for a while
and up until that point i hadn’t really latched onto a baseball team. and all the sudden, i had.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Remember in 2006 when the top two cities in violent crimes were the same as the WS participants?
Hilarious. Not that that means you can’t love St. Louis, but there are just as much things to not like.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
not this again.
now tom s. is going to come correct you about the way the violence statistics were calculated.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Oh, I don't doubt that they paint an imperfect picture
It was just funny, and clearly St. Louis is not a perfect city. If KLaw doesn’t like it, that’s no reason to hate him.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
St. Louis is a volient city
no doubt about it. I don’t care what Tom S. says about the way the statistics are calculated.
I love St. Louis. It’s one of my favorite places in the US.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I have never been affected directly or indirectly by crime in St Louis,
Scary place, though.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
You can have that opinion, and thats fine
but if you’re a media personality, don’t just shit all over a city and basically call it a backwards cowtown. I don’t know how that leads to anything good. Combine his nasty comments and his very arrogant personality and I’m extremely disinclined to like the guy.
Plus,I live in St. Louis and its fine. Its not NY or LA, but it a nice place to be.
...
Plus,I live in St. Louis and its fine. Its not NY or LA
OPINION = NULL
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are you saying los angeles kind of blows too?
because a lot of it does, that’s true.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying
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I was surprised by how much I liked LA.
I’m even going back at least once this year. Probably twice.
Still not a werewolf.
It's probably not a bad place to visit
It is a terrible place to live
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i have an hour and a half commute to work each way!
WOOOOOO
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i think when people think of los angeles,
they tend to throw the surrounding areas in there too which makes LA proper seem nicer than it is.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
haha okay, well then you just like grunge.
which is cool. my favorite parts of paris were the grungey parts, but my opinion of that would vastly change if i had to actually live there. i like looking at it as a tourist, but if it were my city, i’d be like “clean this shit up!”
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i got off on a tangent.
this wasn’t trying to say ktown is shit.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Oh yeah, K-town is pretty fun
Did you go karaoke-ing?!
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Ding Dong Dang is a fun place
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I actually dont like LA very much
but people always seem to want to live there for the glitz, weather, and money.
Denver and San Diego are more my style.
if you live in downtown los angeles,
you don’t really get to experience glitz, weather, or money. it’s really a complete misnomer. silly people, influenced by the mass media.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Malibu or OC are where it's at
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and then all your money is gone
because you have to pay rent. unless you are moving there because you already have money, in which case…
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yeah. I'd walk down to the LA Times everyday where my pal worked, and I loved it.
I like big cities. Also, grunge?
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Nov 13, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was away from my computer, and my daughter rec'd this for some reason.
Enjoy.
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She likes big cities too.
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Agreed on both fronts
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Don't forget the fake boobs.
Seriously.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not really a fake boobs kind of guy
unless you’re suggesting I’ll do better in LA if I install some.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 13, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Seems like a reasonable hypothesis
But we’re sabermetricians (sorta), dammit; we need empirical data!
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's more of an art appreciation deal than a SABeR analysis sort of deal
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, I get it. I know your gf checks out VEB from time to time.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
naw, dude. I have no SO who goes on VEB,
And I’m going to give fake boobs a big thumbs down.
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by tom s. on Nov 13, 2011 9:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
denver and san diego are awesome.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
San Diego is my favorite city in the US
Portland and Seattle were nice too. But the weather is depressing. St. Louis is 2nd on my list.
Grit != flat out sucking.
the city (minus a few certain areas) does blow.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
You realize fans of all 30 MLB teams think this about him right?
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S US AGAINST THE WORLD
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I remember when "The Sporting News" was based in St Louis
I remember when “The Sporting News” was based in St Louis and some readers would complain about the pro St. Louis bias, especially when Cardinals would be put on the cover.
I say it was the balance needed against the NY press.
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I like KLaw
He has a good point. If this was not Matheny I would be very worried that the Cardinals hired someone with ZERO managing experience.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 13, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
has keith law ever said anything positive about the cardinals?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, never
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he's a fan of him sucking.
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Yes, he is positive they suck.
Can’t stand that guy.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
you guys are silly.
a) it’s not his job to say nice things about the cardinals
b) he is one of the most sabr friendly guys in the mainstream sports media
c) he doesn’t actually say mean things about the cardinals anyway, you guys are too defensive
d) he is a pretty good writer and has an excellent podcast
e) stop being butthurt about pretend things
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Nov 13, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
keithlaw
keithlaw
Why does that one VEBer have an avatar of a man waving a flag?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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by TBender on Nov 13, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can I get a memeplanation for this?
I don’t see it at all
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look at il rosso's avatar
now, look at only the red, ignoring all of the negative space. The little red bit to the right is the flag.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I kind of see it
Is the man supporting the pole with his dong?
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by mysterui on Nov 13, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh god.
i cannot unsee this now. i am looking for a new avatar.
the reason i could never see this before is because the arms never really worked, but if one of those is this guy’s penis, it works.
FUCK
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Nov 13, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He has a prehensile penis? For me it works
if you see the shot from above and to the man’s left, looking down on his two arms waving the flag. You can even see his head profile.
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
holy crap
this is the worst kind of fed ex arrow moment.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 13, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
if it's any consolation, now your milton berle avatar goes well with my jack benny avatar
by DanUpBaby on Nov 13, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I notice and rely on the avatars,
but I don’t always look very closely at them. For at least a year of lurking I assumed you looked like Truman Capote. Then momup spoiled it all.
At one point I clicked your profile and saw that it was Benny, and now I can’t see Capote anymore.
Still not a werewolf.
this is totally not my fault.
just for the record.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think he ranked Carlos Martinez higher than anyone else did on his midseason prospect rankings.
Didn’t he have him like super fucking high? I almost want to say it was top ten, but I might be wrong.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
/Looks a length of subthread
Sorry, VEB.
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I know
At least I’m not a vegetarian.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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i would trust you with my life Val
and that was a play on a meme from a couple days ago where RR said he couldn’t trust anyone who didn’t drink or cuss. i do not actually feel that way
Balls
ah, fair enough
I’m not thumbing around in every thread these days, so I miss some of the micromemes.
I also wasn’t that offended, fwiw. But thank you for clarifying.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Omg, is this for serious?
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Tough as nails, NAILS
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
He's one tough mother
There was also that time when he was with the Cards where (as catcher) he took a foul tip straight off his neck where it was unprotected by his mask, it rolled down into his glove, and he just tossed it back to the pitcher (or maybe to the ump) and went on as if nothing happened.
I’ve been trying to find video of that the verify that I’m remembering it right and didn’t imagine it, but I can’t seem to.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats to Mike
May he follow in Torre, Whitey’s and TLR’s footsteps and have the good fortune to manage Albert for 9 more years
Just win
wat
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THE CARDINALS HIRED MIKE MAFUCKINTHENY AS THEIR NEW MANAGER
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's kind of hard to have any strong opinion since there is so little we know
about Matheny. The fact that he has zero coaching experience is a bit worrisome, oh well.
you mean you didn't learn to swim by somebody throwing your ass into the water?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
as if on cue, a 101ESPN tweet
Please, no one get Mike Matheny a hunting knife as a “congrats on being named manager” gift.
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maybe but it's an angel with Ank
that never gets discussed..especially in th emain stream
because TLR
If you think Ankiel's psyche was so weak that it would crumble solely b/c
his catcher was injured then it could’ve been ANYTHING that sent him over the edge.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
I really don't think so...
he didn’t improve any pitching to Matheny the following spring training.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
was broke by then
just saying when he started to implode his reg. guy might have helped…plus matheny gets to a few of those pitches
because TLR
i think it had more to do with his dad getting sentenced for dealing drugs.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Or you could argue TLR’s decision to start him at all in this weird secret way. No one knows what really caused the meltdown, and trying to parse it is just an excersise in making oneself crazy.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
none of these things makes you forget how to throw a baseball.
He just Blass-ed all over himself is all.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, there's no cause
Who the hell knows what happened to Ankiel or Knobloch or any of those dudes?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
right
Anyone who claims to know how the Blass thing started with ankiel is lying. No one has been able to fix Ankiel, Knobloch, or any of them. It’s a mystery, at least for now.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
the theory is
if Matheny is out there instead of Hernandez, Ank is nervous but never passes his psychological crush depth in the first place.
It’s a counterfactual….it didn’t happen that way and it doesn’t matter.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
I understand the theory.
There were just lots of other dramatic things also at play. It was probably the weight of all of it and not one thing.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
I know Matheny
says he thought he could prevented the meltdown if he was behind the plate. Who can say?
The meltdown that particular series, maybe.
I think it would’ve happened at some point regardless
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Yeah, who knows?
There’s no way of even beginning to prove this. There are just too few people that have had the Bill Blass thing happen to them to understand how and why it happens.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Matheny cut his hand with a knife and missed the playoffs
Rick Ankiel lost his mind pitching to Carlos Hernandez.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Matheny sliced his hand with a hunting knife prior to the 2000 playoffs
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playoffs Matheny gets
knife from wife severs hand…cards stuck with fat boy backup carlos Hernandez. who did not do well with Ankiel especially..get beat by mets in playoffs
because TLR
remember Ankiel losing it in the playoffs?
Matheny was the regular catcher. His birthday is at the end of September or whatever. Somebody gave him a hunting knife and he cut his hand and went on the DL. It is commonly believed that if Matheny had played instead of the backup (was it Marrero? I forget now), Ankiel would never have imploded.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Ank's on the right, hugging Hernandez
I can’t figure out who’s hugging Veres though
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Really long sideburns
I remember that period of gradually not being terrified of the bullpen, until Dave Veres totally imploded.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
oh my god, no one read this thread all the way through.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
WE LIKE MIKE
If you’re kind of lame and into chants…that’s a thing you could chant when the Cards done good.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
By the way, I don't think Oquendo is going anywhere
Any other move this offseason would be lateral. He might as well coach for us this year and interview next season for the openings then
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Exactly
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
darkhorse for the cubs job
BRAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSS
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Nov 13, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
That will be weird
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for once, yes.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
without looking....
Dal Maxville
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
No Surprise There
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Maxvill only had 3898 PA
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
OPS .552
Matheny 4287 PA, .637 OPS
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
you should invoke the converse of the taveras BA rule
And just assume he gets the extra 100+ PA’s and gets a hit each time. If he gets all singles I’m sure Maxvill still doesn’t make .637. If he got all HR, maybe. 100 extra HR is a big deal.
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by tom s. on Nov 13, 2011 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
is this like the opposite of winning a batting title without enough at-bats?
do we have to give him 102 home runs for it to be fair?
That comes out to .639924
So yes, but he loses/beats Matheny (just barely).
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
curse you, mobile devices without autoupdate!
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by tom s. on Nov 13, 2011 9:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
probably not many
good thing they didn’t hire him to be the hitting coach….
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Ugh, Neifi Fucking Perez
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 13, 2011 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
how many of the 4 won 4 gold gloves?
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
At catcher.
And hell, look at TLR’s playing career. A defense-first catcher with a reputation for handling pitchers really well seems like a reasonable managerial candidate to me.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Even if TLR was an infielder
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All I'm saying is that it's not like
TLR was a perennial all-star as a player.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Kind of seems like Matheny was really overrated as a catcher.
I mean when you start using GGs as a defense…
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
wat
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I meant overall not defensively.
He was worth 5.8 fWAR (That’s 4,287 plate appearances…) his ENTIRE career. People thought he was a competent starter and that really only happened once, arguably I’d say in a three-year stretch where he was 4.0 fWAR but you could argue his defense was better than what was captured.
Basically, advanced stats have not been kind to Matheny.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
You assume WAR captures catcher defense correctly
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I assume it captures it enough.
I’m doubting that WAR fails so epically bad at capturing it that all of a sudden Matheny is a league average catcher every year if it was accurate.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well then you're being very naive
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right, they differ a lot. Just look at Matt Klassan's rankings compared to fangraphs.
www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/11/1/2497088/2011-beyond-the-box-score-catcher-defense-rankings
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you'll have to sort Fangraphs yourself since I can't link it that way.
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I feel like the Fangraphs one has a very small range of values
6 RAA to -5 RAA
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I know what you mean.
But +19 Matheny would like a word.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Which I think even the authors of WAR say that it does not
especially once you start factoring in the handling of the pitching staff angle of it, which was claimed to be his best skill by TLR and DD.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I promise he was a really good catcher.
I know you were like 7 when he played here, but I think most who saw him play would agree.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Word.
Catcher defense is probably the hardest thing to capture statistically.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Does it factor blocked balls?
I think everyone agrees that Yadi is better at throwing out baserunners. I don’t think I’d call Yadi a better defensive catcher than Matheny was, though.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
btw did you read the Hardball Times article about that?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Was it an article that specifically compared Yadi to Matheny,
or a more general article on quantifying catcher defense (like this one)? If it was the former, do you have a link?
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
it was the one with all the pretty pictures and graphs.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Matheny was amazing at blocking balls.
I miss that, sometimes.
But then Yadi throws someone out and I forget for a while.
Still not a werewolf.
He'll delegate that job
Sure, Matheny will delegate the job of hitting coach to someone else. Will he keep McGuire as his hitting coach or will he choose someone?
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I'd like to congratulate
Mike Matheny on his new job as Cardinals’ manager. Now win it all again and again.
That is all.
Thanks! I'll do my best
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i just dropped in to say
Matheny WOOOOOOOOOO
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by d-dee on Nov 13, 2011 7:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
so.......is something exciting happening?
I cant tell.
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he who fears losing, has already lost
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A slight bit of excitement here.
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yes
just a bit. haha congrats on signing your new manager.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, Marlins, and Yankees
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Nov 13, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Even if you're Not a Card Fan
But you’re here to visit us anyhow. (And I know you’re trying to steal our now free agent best player.)
Must admit, your baseball teams are ones I don’t support.
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And why is that?
The marlins over the past years have been the epitome of “the underdog”. That may be starting to change a bit(emphasis on maybe), but I wouldhave guessed we are one of the more low-key likable teams in the league.
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he who fears losing, has already lost
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by Gatorfan4life on Nov 13, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Our official position is to like the Marlins
and to hate that home run thingie.
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
well good
me too.
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he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Nov 13, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with the official position on the Home Run display.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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you guys know there is no such thing as an official position
there’s more to life than mission[comment redacted]
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Your owner is fucking awful.
Good reason as any to dislike the Marlins. I like the players, however they are souring on me fast this past offseason.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Its ok
none of us like Loria. But if he’s willing to actually start spending money consistently,then my opinion of him will go up slightly….
slightly.
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he who fears losing, has already lost
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by Gatorfan4life on Nov 13, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, he's making all the wrong moves for me personally.
Not necessarily in FA, but almost everything involved with the new move has been laughed at.
Unless he’s not in charge of that? (No idea, I’d think he’d have some semblance of what is going on though)
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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
No, its all on him
He essentially swindled the city of Miami for hundreds of millions of dollars for the stadium, he is the one responsible for the ’change in identity" that has left a slightbitter taste in many die-hard marlins fans mouths.
once again, none of us like him. but in the end, if he puts a winning product on the field, its hard not to be happy about it.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, Marlins, and Yankees
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Nov 13, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
HE KILLED THE EXPOS!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
This goes in the positive column.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
not surprisingly,
The Marlins and Expos had similar attendance issues.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
F'in Selig and Loria.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Don't fuck with youppi
he never forgives, he never forgets.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Nov 13, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks. It's a fascinating decision. None of us know a damn thing about him, so it'll be really interesting to see how things shake out.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I must admit
Id never heard of him before this whole deeal started when La Russa resigned.
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he who fears losing, has already lost
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by Gatorfan4life on Nov 13, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Matheny was a defense-first light hitting catcher
that bounced around on a few teams. He’s not a huge name outside of the orgs where he played.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Giants fans LOVED him, too
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Was well liked in Milwaukee too, I think.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
He cleans up so well.
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
Yeah, there's no reason to have heard of him in you weren't a fan of one of the teams he played on.
Terrific defense, no stick catcher.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Sounds like a Charles Johnson type
(the marlins equivalent)
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he who fears losing, has already lost
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by Gatorfan4life on Nov 13, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
In his prime years, yes
But his glove was always the real value with him.
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he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Nov 13, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW, career .277 wOBA
-196.5 career batting RAR, never had a positive batting RAR in any season.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
he was always a candidate for coach but he said his family came first, it was just bad timing.
that was a few years ago. apparently the time is right.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A very handsome man has been named the new manager.
We’re in mid-swoon.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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I will gladly be watching Matheny manage
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I've read this comment very recently....seems like it was in ref to chuck Yeager perhaps
Was it you?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
It was the flashback episode
where they talk about how Bart was born.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Matheny -- Another former Catcher
Is it just my imagination or do former catchers get the edge when it comes to getting named manager? Joe Torre and Mike Sciosia come to mind. Granted Torre did not end his career as catcher but…..
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Ja! And also Yogi Berra
Italian catchers. Geez, did everyone coming off the boat from Italy come equipped with a catcher’s mask and chest protector?
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by CapsFan75 on Nov 13, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mike Piazza says si
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by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
What was the comment about tools? Fools tools?
in relation to catchers gear?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Since they have to know how to handle pitchers.
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calling pitches seems to be a pretty micro-level control of the game
I woudl think that woudl translate pretty naturally to managing.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
They learn that at the Catcher level
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in catching school?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
dfreese23: Can I still call Matheny #CaptainAmerica now that he's my new manager? We'll see... Love the hire. STL should be pumped. #Rightmanforthejob
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Already kissing ass with the new boss....
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oquendo's pissed.
#notreally
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Positioning to be allowed to play a whole game.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Who would replace him?
Descalso will be at 2nd.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
if they keep Punto
DD goes to third and Punto goes to 2nd, something like that. Or it could be Carp Jr.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Yea, they could I guess.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Mo interview said DD is starting at 2nd this year
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
(This is what I said two comments above the one you replied to.)
We were discussing how Matheny might use Descalso to replace Freese at third. Punto comes in to play 2nd, and Descalso is shifted to 3rd, replacing Freese.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yes you were. I screwed up as I was trying to catch up to the thread without missing anything and get to the Matheny conversation
And trying to be helpful. Not call you or anyone else out
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not being snarky with response either mind you
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Who would try to take him out?
He’s scary
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
i doubt there is a single player not happy about the hire.
some may have preferred Oquendo.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
this strikes me as a St. Louis fannish sort of comment.
he is in fact allowed to be a fan of his own team
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wait, what?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
just a thought.
kind of like how CJ Beatty is still cheering for us.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOn
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Nov 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Mike Matheny
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It will be very interesting to see what the roster construction looks like
now that Tony isn’t exerting so much influence on the process.
A story even quoted Mo as saying that Bryan Anderson will be released from the TLR doghouse to compete for the backup catcher role.
Blockquotes
or it didn’t happen.
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
mike matheny's press conference notes
If there’s one thing I like, it’s catchers who aren’t so great on defense, but know how to put runs on the board.
The Ghost of Ted Simmons would agree.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
......
The Cardinals apparently are ready to also break with a long-standing tradition of having veteran backup catchers as Mozeliak envisions Tony Cruz and longtime prospect Bryan Anderson competing for the role next spring.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-could-look-much-the-same-in/article_966f3a3f-fc9d-54d4-977d-841578ffcde4.html#ixzz1ddQb0gZQ
Omg, towels.
I know it’s not a huge impact, but that shit always drove me nuts. Why are we spending a million bucks on a guy that hardly ever plays and is not very good? I’m excited to see the back up catcher come from the farm for once. Anderson must be excited for ST.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding.
Ive been wanting Anderson to get an extended shot for a long time. I’m sort of in disbelief hes finally going to get a chance.
it seems that Laird is gone
which is not a big deal, I just liked seeing him hop around like a little girl during the playoffs
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
They can remove the seismomitor from the ballpark now though
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
What is it's needed for earthquake detection?
Need to be prepared just in case.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
seismograph, maybe?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
seismometer technically.
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
Detects shaking in the earth.
Aka Laird jumping up and down probably would cause at least a 3.3 on the Ricter magnitude scale.
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
he was the one who scared me. just something about him, man.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I can already see who will play Mike Matheny in his biopic
None other than the St. Louis native dreamboat Jon Hamm
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why isn't he wearing a skinny tie
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Hell, that guy just looks like a baseball man.
Sign him up for bench coach.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Why didn't they interview him?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Matheny's first clubhouse rule:
“No hunting knives as birthday presents.”
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
momup's theory when the ankiel thing first happened
was that ankiel had been the one to buy him the knife, and felt guilty about it. not that I wouldn’t mind writing that fanfic.
DanUp, remember you have to finish your education before you attempt multi-year epics, with graphs.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Oh I definitely got an O out of this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Nov 13, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What is wrong with me
I’m married and have a legitimate job
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
it's times like these you realise you will never
really grow up.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
you'd think "i'm a guy" would have been your first thought
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Nov 13, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you'd think "i'm a guy" would have been your first thought
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Nov 13, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and, apparently, second
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Nov 13, 2011 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'm just making a happy happy joy joy veb appearance
to woooo for Best Looking Manager in Baseball ™
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Nov 13, 2011 8:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wasn't there a subthread above about who was the worst WS-winning team?
What happened to it? Did someone do something so egregious that a mod deleted the whole thing? Or am I the only one who can’t see it?!?
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 7:40 PM EST reply actions
Quick, everyone keep quiet!
Don’t let him know about the secret subthreads!
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
awwww clank!
Why’d you have to ruin all the fun?
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
I was going to invite you to my birthday party
but now I’ll have rethink my decision.
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
We didn't show him the secret subthread where we agreed not to talk about the secret subthreads
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
First rule of secret subthread
YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT SECRET SUBTHREAD!
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
let's bro out and not bro down...
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
i'm not sure
it’s possible
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If the answer isn't an immediate yes, it's a no
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
i'm having reading problems.
have fun bad-mouthing me
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
We never talk bad about you
or do we?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, it's still not there for me in your link
Am I being gaslighted by VEB? DAMN YOU, CHARLES BOYER!!!
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
That is an awesome reference
Ingrid Bergman empathizes
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
And Angela Lansbury creepifies....
(damn, she was creepy in that movie)
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Was a sexy randy bird in an evil bitch sort of way
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
looks like it got wiped out when I tried to hide the keith law stuff, which I thought was out of hand
click refresh in a few seconds.
thats what i figured...
good call, by the way.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Whew - it's back, and I no longer have to question my sanity (at least not for this reason)
I stand by my position on Charles Boyer though.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hey this is driving me nuts
does anyone know how to stop the thread from jumping around constantly? It skips to some random spot every time comments are posted, and it is extremely annoying.
yell at people for commenting in old threads?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's one of the great mysteries of
SB Nation Vox Media. Happens to me sometimes too. And sometimes not.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
You can shut off "auto refresh" at the top until you either shift+A or catch up
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
welcomes
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
It happens for me after I click on someone's name in the bottom right corner when they post something
After I do that I get teleported back to that comment every time someone else posts anything.
that's what it is
once you click on the new comment alert box thing, it’ll keep jumping you back to that spot in the thread. The only solution is to never click on that damn thing and z your way there.
If you forget, the only way to stop it from jumping around is to shift+A.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
For those enjoying this evening of Matheny fever
Here he is at this year’s Winter Warmup discussing Jack Buck and Stan Musial.
Where?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Nov 13, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
KSDK video I didn't click on:
Woman takes naked photos of self inside horse carcass
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
haha!
I saw that at work one day. I thought it better to not click on it either.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Reply fail -- up to Matheny's winter warmup video
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
oh thank goodness
I went to nmstar’s P-D link and couldn’t find your link anywhere!
Still not a werewolf.
Pettini gone?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
IMO any turnover will be retirements
there are age-related problems among the coaching staff… since they’re mostly ancient.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Can't. Doesn't leave room for Jon Hamm.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
what if Jon Hamm is just Matheny's stand-in at press conferences?
so Matheny never yells at us, but Jon Hamm listens on an earpiece and admonishes us sternly.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Somehow, Hamm needs a role on this team hitting fungoes.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Designated Conferencer
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even know what this means, but Tyrell Jenkins claims that Matheny gave him his majestic pants.
I can only imagine that this is a good thing. Source
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Did Matheny get them from Red?
Is pants swapping the secret to the Cardinals’ success?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
you get out of my head
you dashing fellow
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There's an echo in here.
Hellooooo
helloooo
helloo
hello
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
if you're inside his brain, and he's inside my brain
what color pants am I wearing?
Still not a werewolf.
i can't see that!
blood-brain barrier
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I didn't think you were wearing any pants.
2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!
Sager's
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
They were so bland compared to the rest of his outfit.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
More pants swapping.
So, I now predict that clank will win the 2012 Nobel Prize for Doing Stuff With Numbers.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
That and your fake GRE scores
(Worked for me!)
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
were there hits in them?
there was an awful lot of pants-swapping on this team….
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i think this is pretty much a guarantee
unless his wife has a setback.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
only bad thing about Matheny getting the job:
He was my choice as replacement pitching coach when Dunc retired.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
now i'll go with Carp.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
We've discussed this before
From the future:
Shelby Miller: Hey Carp, I was wondering if you could help me work out the problems I’ve been having with my curveball
Chris Carpenter: You know what Shelby, I don’t give a fuck
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dunc really doesn't do too much with mechanics
i mean, he basically tromped up to the mound and said, remember your g****mn curveball, and that was it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've actually heard
that its a really bad idea to mess with mechanics much at the mlb level unless you’re teaching them a new pitch or trying to get them to stop tipping—pitchers there are what they are mechanically, and tearing down their approach is only going to hurt them.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
This is what the Tigers did to Porcello
Man barely strikes anyone out now
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
somewhere Anthony Reyes sighs and reaches for a new beer
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
with his left arm
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
will depend more on Mrs.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Remember when it used to be funny when Homer cried or said something stupid?
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:16 PM EST reply actions
I'm guessing this is a reply fail...?
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
nope...just a random comment
Got the Simpson on in the background
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
FWIW, I remember! (As does Pepperidge Farm.)
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 13, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, about the time i was born.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
was jok, mainly.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like the Cards
have openings for 3rd base coach and AAA Manager. The White Sox and Phillies also have positions to fill in their organizations.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Nov 13, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
He could definitely do some good things for the outfield but what about the other 5 positions Oquendo as played?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he was, perhaps Edmonds when/if McKay decides to retire?
Then we have awesome all around fielding coaches and McGuire as hitting coach?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Now that Matheny's job at FSN is open,
Can we go ahead and just plug Chris Duncan into his former role?
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:28 PM EST reply actions
I think they should concentrate on upgrading their broadcast team first
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
this, I agree with
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
It would be a wise move to try to land a new announcer with Dan's DWI problem.
After being subjected to Ricky Horton, I would mind a Bob Carpenter return.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
WAIT! I GOT IT!
Move Mike Shannon and John Rooney to the TV booth and FSN and KMOX can come up with an agreement that allows the tv broadcast to be aired over the radio. Fire Ricky, Fire Al, Fire Dan.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would love for them to go back to simulcast.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Shannon's excitement over long fly outs and foul balls
would become even more hilarious.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would love this...hate the the delay when I go to garage for a smoke/tense moments and come back to the TV announcers
Also, Mike is funny
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think Shannon is technically already a FSN employee
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 13, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
FSN do EEET!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
did they ever actually fire Dan?
and also, what about Bob Ramsey? I’ve liked what I’ve heard on his SLU games
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 13, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
dan is still "suspended indefinitely"
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 13, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
6 months is a serious number
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Nov 13, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
So, did anyone get a picture of the white smoke coming from the arch?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 8:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Wait, Fritz already made that joke?
Damn.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Nov 13, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Game #2
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Mike Matheny Hired as Manager Thread
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
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