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A Good and Proper Enemy

I liked the Phillies. They were a well constructed team full of players that I have a ton of admiration for. Chase Utley is the best second baseman of the last decade and potentially longer than that. Roy Halladay is a hall of fame caliber pitcher. The rotation of Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels and Roy Oswalt is, arguably, the best 4 man rotation since the Braves in the early 90s.  The Phillies had won 102 games. This was their version of the Cardinals 2004/2005 team. It was an excellent team.

Intellectually, I enjoyed watching the five game set. The brilliant play to cut down Utley at third by Albert Pujols. The incredible pitcher's duel to end the series. (I'll take a pitcher's duel over a slugfest any day of the week.) It was exquisite baseball from every objective sense. But, as many here have had a hard time understanding, I wasn't connected to the wins. I wasn't invested in each moment in the same way that I was in 2006.

Star-divide

There's lots of reasons why and I've spent the last day or so trying to go back to the 2004-2006 me when I lived and died on each game. Some of it might be age. My day job is much more time consuming and emotionally draining than college life.  Some of it is undoubtedly watching the club trade away my favorite player during the season - a player I'd watched rise from A-ball all the way to the big leagues. That was, admittedly, a special kind of devastating. But a lot of it was that I liked the Phillies.

In 2004 and 2005, the Cardinals had a rivalry with the Astros that was excellent. The Astros team was full of players that I didn't like. Remember Brandon Backe? Backe never missed a chance to dog on Albert Pujols in the press. Add to that his peculiar post-season success and there weren't many Cardinals fans that liked him. Jeff Kent was not known as a swell guy. The "Killer Bees", which inevitably led to the crowd buzzing in full togetherness - annoying. The Astros were a team you could get behind disliking and they were our post season nemesis.

In 2004, it was made even more impactful by playing the Red Sox. That series alone has the Red Sox as my second most disliked team in baseball (after the Cubs). I'll never set foot in Fenway because of that. The self-anointed "idiots" were out to break the Curse of the Bambino. While not superstitious myself, I love curses. When a team's psyche is defined by a curse, I find that hilarious. But the idiots did win and the entire Boston area became just that much more unbearable.

For the older fans reading, 2006 included the Mets; Pond Scum as they've been nicknamed. A team with a history against the Cardinals. A team that has earned much fan enmity against the Cardinals. For the World Series, the "Tigers in three" became something of a mantra for our little corner of the blogosphere. It stoked the embers of our fandom. There is little in life that can more engage a fan than media derision and a good and proper enemy.

After the Cardinals had advanced on Friday, I sat back and wondered what in the world I could write about for Sunday. Everyone wanted to talk about the postseason except for me. I was detached. We beat the Phillies, yes, but I liked the Phillies. Not in the same way as the Cardinals but they were a good team.  Watching highlights on MLB Network,  I was given my answer as to what could re-energize the post-season for me: a good and proper enemy.

There is no aspect of the current Brewer's team that I like. Deserved or not, Ryan Braun's toolish demeanor is bothersome. The untucking that was signature of previous clubs was always bothersome not for the act itself but for the juvenile nature of it. Frankie Rodriguez's fist pumps on the mound will piss me off if they appear in this series.  They were the team that beat the Cardinals in the NL Central.

But there is nothing on the 2011 Brewers that is quite as terrible and detestable as Nyjer Morgan and his T-Plush routine.  The basehit back up the middle to advance the Brewers over the Diamondbacks with Nyjer Morgan crowing on second base was a reminder of that dislike. Nyjer Morgan is a player who could barely stick on the Pirates. He's had a good not great year but Milwaukee (or at least the media) has embraced him as emblematic of the soul of this year's Brewer's squad. He's an abrasive player that will start fights over perceived injustices. He's egotistical despite not being very good at what he does relative to his peers.  Nyjer Morgan is unbalanced in his reactions and purile in his demeanor. Nyjer Morgan is a good and proper enemy.

For the next 4-7 games, I will watch the Cardinals and will want them to win. Not just because they are the Cardinals but because they aren't the Brewers. The Phillies were another team the Cardinals were playing. The Brewers are the enemy. A good and proper enemy that I fully hope the Cardinals will demolish.  Demolish Ryan Braun. Demolish Frankie Rodriguez. Demolish Prince Fielder. Demolish Nyjer Morgan. I want to see the pictures at the end of the series were they weep in the clubhouse.

The post-season has finally arrived.

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Albert

I hope Albert is healing, it would be nice for him to come out and take over this series.

Just win

by The Duke on Oct 9, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I really thought for us to beat the Phillies it would mean

either Albert or Lance or maybe even Allen had been full on ridiculous

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 9, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is basically how I felt against the Phillies

except it was directed towards the fans. I really like pretty much everyone on their team, but their fans rank with the Red Sox’s as the least civilized, most unpleasant, and generally most detestable in baseball. I wanted the Cardinals to make their fans unhappy.

In this series, its the opposite. I actually love Brewers fans, but I dislike so many of their players so palpably that, like you, I don’t just want to the Cardinals to win—I want them to ruthlessly beat the Brewers. In general, I love swagger, but I hate the Brewers and their classless exuberance. And what is this about Greinke getting involved and trashing Carpenter? Its like Morgan’s detestability is contagious.

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Oct 9, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree about Brewers fans

Tailgating at Miller Park is a very joyous experience. The ballpark itself is OK, but second tier when compared to places like SafeCo in Seattle. The fans are hardcore Midwesterners who come out to see baseball and eat brats and drink beer. They’re fans that St. Louis fans should completely identify with. Now, as for the Brewer team, I ask this: If Nyjer Morgan was not on this team, would you hate them even 1/2 as much?

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Oct 9, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

I don’t “hate” any team really, except I’m obligated to hate the cubs. The whole Reds thing was nonsense this year, and while Milwaukee may think Nyjer is cute now, should they re-sign him, they’ll be in for a treat. Every GM that had Nyjer used the same buzzwords: energy, special, misunderstood. Once he regressed to his true talent level he became a cancer and was shipped out. His alter egos are simply a way of deflecting blame away from him, as he’s not a man who can take responsibility for anything in life. It’s not cute, it’s laughable. Grow up.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 9, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's sort of reversed

we like the phillies players but not the phans
the brewers fans are ok (well, when not overindulging…..) but the players are another story

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more. They are kind, curteous, fellow cubs haters

Who love beer. They may even make pies to keep players, I’m not sure. I am a little biased as I’ve befriended many because of being a Packers fan (and one good friend that I just happened to befriend from Knights if Columbus stuff) but biased or not they’re good people. That said, good lord do I hate thier players. Hell, I hope Mike Cameron still pulls for them so he can be sad too. Let’s ruin this “beast mode” crap with Torty and squirrels and winning

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 9, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Grienke didn't trash Carp.

He just said that the team in general didn’t like him because “they” felt that his attitude was phony. He said ‘they’ as if he didn’t necessarily care himself but that the reast of the team felt that way. Or that was how it appeared to me.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

he spooky

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

spooooooky

it’s kind of crazy…

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know why?

because chris carpenter doesnt give a fuck

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is gonna be good.

The Cards seem to respond really well to douchebaggery, whether it’s by Morgan, Phillips, Garza or what have you.

Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President

by peppermartin on Oct 9, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

postseason? I prefer to think of it as Elimination Game #168. LONG LIVE MEMPHIS!

Stay undead, Cardinals.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Watching the NLCS on-line

I apologize if this has already been asked and answered for the postseason, but I’m not going to be able to watch the game on TBS this afternoon. Is there anyway to get the game live on-line if you are in market? I’m cool paying for it, and in fact paying for the whole series. Have never subscribed to mlb.com due to the blackout crap. Not sure if I’m tech savvy enough to do the proxy thing, but am willing to try, if necessary.

Thank you.

by Enigma35 on Oct 9, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe that Postseason.TV is live companion coverage only.

I believe last year some folks were complaining about the limited camera angles or something. Unfortunately I’m not the best person to ask because I’ve never subscribed but I do know it’s called “Postseason.TV” and one can subscribe for a relatively cheap price.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Postseason.TV is unwatchable

It is not the broadcast feed. You get to pick between various cameras in the stadium. So if you watch the traditional behind the pitcher camera angle, and the player gets a hit, you don’t get a cut to the outfield to follow the ball, it stays on the same camera behind the pitcher. It’s no way to watch a ballgame and it’s shameful that mlb.tv has the audacity to charge for it.

by bobtpooner on Oct 9, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

There you go.

That’s what I had heard about the camera angles. That’s really terrible.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you guys

That is the answer I was seeing elsewhere, but was hoping I was missing something. I very much appreciate the feedback. I’ll roll with that this afternoon and try to make better arrangements for the rest of the week.

by Enigma35 on Oct 9, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, you can have up to four camera angles onscreen at the same time,

so you can more-or-less watch the entire play even if it’s not in a single shot. But it’s definitely lame that they don’t just provide the normal TBS feed. It was $6 for all four LDS and the NLCS (not the ALCS for some reason), so the price is pretty low and at least I get to watch something. But it’s a significant step down from a normal broadcast, and it’s extremely shitty that MLB doesn’t make that more clear.

by BTown Birds fan on Oct 9, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ALCS on Fox.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Oct 9, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

postseason.tv

I paid to watch the companion feed as I don’t get TBS, and while slightly annoying, it’s better than nothing. I had the quad view open, and the tight center field cam is 90% of what you watch anyway. There’s also slo-mo cam which is like all of the close up shots, and the home plate cams follow hit balls. They also broadcast the TBS audio feed, so it’s something.

Not ideal, but I’m thankful I got to see Carp’s gem and the NLCS. Can’t wait until the WS so I can watch on FOX!

by roebirds on Oct 9, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

this sounds quite a bit better than what it was the first year they had it

i think 2009

there was no audio and no graphics showing score, count, etc. just a couple camera angles that never changed

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

postseason.tv

The camera angle behind home plate is the best. Still not nearly as good as live coverage, but I think it’s better than nothing. I just saw on stlcardinals.com that the game is televised on TBS and SN. What is SN? I went to sn.tv website, but the baseball games aren’t mentioned there.

by hotwater2 on Oct 9, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

you would have to either do the proxy thing

or take your chances finding some stream online

the fact that you’ve managed to power on your computer and navigate to this blog suggests to me that you’re capable of the proxy thing method, though. flimflam has provided a very nice walkthrough here. however i believe the preferred site to find an international proxy is now here.

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm out of practice.

70 new comments in an old thread? I open it… and gdm was there.
gone so long, I plum forgot.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

the brewers rivalry sure has escalated in the last few years

especially in the last couple, between drama queens like nyjer morgan and the brewers finding a way to win. for a team that hasn’t done a lot in recent years, including getting as far as they have this year, they sure talk a lot of smack. and, they haven’t had much to back it up.

greinke calling carp’s attitude phony? strange coming from a guy who struggled in KC with social anxiety. not a smart move to say that, especially given greinke’s past situation. nyjer saying ‘fuck you’ to carp for no reason? according to nyjer, carp said something to him, but it was clear that was not the case. enter nyjer morgan, the attention whore.

i thought that the reds were bad, given what brandon phillips said about the team, the fight, and all that. in my mind, the way the brewers – and their fans – have acted towards the cards this year has taken over. the brewers are the new reds. i would like to see the cards beat the living shit out of milwaukee – by way of the score, of course. if the cards were to go on to the world series, i would hope it would shut the brewers up. and that peace and harmony would feel so nice. yeah, the brewers are full of d-bags because of their not-so-classy moves, but to talk smack before a game is weak. either put your money where your mouth is, or shut the fuck up.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 9, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm confused.
greinke calling carp’s attitude phony? strange coming from a guy who struggled in KC with social anxiety.

What do the two have to do with each other?

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

social anxiety

Let’s not make fun of player’s real problems. Hard enough for the guy to admit it, probably.

by HIfan on Oct 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing Nyjer morgan did

even begins to compare to ending Jason LaRue’s career. Johnny Cueto will forever be at the top of my hate list. A cleat kick to another player’s head should be a lifetime baseball ban.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

give it time

i seriously wouldn’t be surprised if morgan charges the mound or something this series. the guy is completely mental

by Wombat x on Oct 9, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

but something someone might do or something someone could do does not compare to something that someone else has already done. The LaRue thing wasn’t a punch thrown in defense, it was an act that very plausibly could have killed someone.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope to all hell it doesn't happen,

but how awesome would Carp and Morgan reenacting Ryan-Ventura be to see?

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 9, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

not in the fucking playoffs

do that shit in the regular season. There’s something at stake here.

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by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Someone explain to me the hatred for Braun?

Nyjer is obviously the biggest duche to come around….well, maybe ever! But I’ve never had a problem with Braun. I’ve read about him being egotistical, but of course he is. He came into the league and immediately dominated! That ego probably played alot into that success also. You read all the time how young players in all sports need that to help them succeed early on, especially at such a high level.

Anyway…..just curious, maybe i’m forgetting something that happened in the past. Some qoutes or on field action. All I’ve ever seen is an amazing player who probably does think highly of himself. But he seems to keep it too himself for the most part. His qoutes so far this postseason regarding the cards have all been fairly respectful.

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Oct 9, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

The most irritating thing about his egotism

Is that he has the stats to back it up (most years).

He also has big stupid googly eyes.

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by dan on Oct 9, 2011 10:33 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I've never understood where the rap came against Braun

for attitude came from. Watch Albert hit a homerun and stare at it. Braun doesn’t do that. Does he have swagger? Yeah so do 100’s of baseball players and look at the back of his baseball card. He’s earned it. Remember back to the whole Motte beaning incident earlier this year. Motte threw the first ball behind Braun then the second drilled him in the ribs with a mid-90s fastball. Braun only said a few words and took his base. In the interview after the game, Braun didn’t even go off on Motte … or LaRussa for that matter. He just said he understands being throw at is part of the game but LaRussa needs to understand that the Brewers are going come high tight to the Cardinal hitters. LaManager famously insisted that same night that the Cards weren’t trying to hit Ryan Braun. LaRussa looked like a complete punk next to Braun that night.

Is Ryan Braun a gentleman in the mold of Lance Berkman? No but hardly any baseball player under the age of 30 is. I don’t get the venom for Braun. He can play on my team.

by jjray on Oct 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He made a snow angel in the outfield.

But I kinda still like him, too. I admire his talent, certainly.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Oct 9, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braun won me over in spite of the picture just below

with him laughing after he tripped and fell twice while trying to score.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He seems like a good kid.

Listening to the Brewer’s feed, they had his dad on at one point talking about him. Sure was a proud pappa.

When he signed his extension, I seem to recall some aw shucks humility as well. I could be remembering wrong.

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by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

A star who can laugh at himself is OK in my book.

by jjray on Oct 9, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've come around on him myself.

I think I mostly disliked him mostly because he was so good. Same reasons I despised Larry Bird, Joe Montana, and Brett Favre. But I think Braun and Fielder are OK.

by illcowboy on Oct 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have that TLR post-game interview in one of the NLCS promo videos where he said

Motte wasn’t trying to hit Braun there. I don’t really have any problem with them throwing at Braun in that situation after Pujols almost took one in the head, but did TLR honestly think anyone would believe that crap about how it wasn’t intentional?

I’m definitely on board the not-hating-Braun wagon. I like Fielder a little more, but I don’t have anything against either of them.

by BTown Birds fan on Oct 9, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

just academically, I find it odd that we're focusing on Braun over Fielder

trying to break into the Dodgers clubhouse… among other blowups.

say what you will about Carp, there’s always a sense that he’ll stop before he actually pops someone’s grill. now, if baseball allowed skates and pads, all bets are off.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

...

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Oct 9, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

visually this makes more sense than above

there’s the classic-car flame deal, and there’s actual negative space to bring the design out. he knows the look and he’s committed to it.

the other is like… layers of [redacted]

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love that shirt & shirts like it, but Guy is the king of food douches

i should host DDD, not only would i have a cooler car than a overrated 67 Camaro convertible, i wouldn’t be an insufferable douche who ruins the experience of seeing cool places to eat across the country

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

i was looking at the ‘douche in a douchey shirt’ angle. sorry if you like the shirt.

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Oct 9, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

thanks for calling the early camaros overrated.

/selfflaggedforpolitics

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Oct 9, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

they are ridicilously overrated simply because everyone likes them

they are just like a Mustang in that way, they were built to appeal to the masses & they do. i don’t generally fall in line hence my feelings on them. i’m probably close to a hipster douche car guy because i don’t really like the classics that are popular.

also i’ll add the new Camaro is a fat ugly disgrace of a car & GM should be ashamed of themselves for making it.

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as you don't have the hair or chew with your mouth open

or call everything you cook ’bitchin’’, you should be fine

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Oct 9, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

f'ing enter button!!!!!!!!!!!

but i do not use the terms bitchin, banana’s & out of bounds, when i cook

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more I look at this,

the more I think it looks like the love child of Mark Ballas and Peter Dinklage.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 9, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

The interviews that I have seen this year have made him seem engaging and humorous. I really haven’t paid much attention to him before this year. But damn is he good. He is going to be a handful this series.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The hatred for Braun?

It’s because he’s really good and he’s on a rival team. That’s it.

We hate Braun for the same reason Brewers fans hate Pujols and Molina.

No one expects GERALD. F. LAIRD.

by hr on Oct 9, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

If Braun was on the Angels, etc. I’d probably like him. Still, I don’t boo him when comes to the plate when I’m at Busch, nor do I boo Fielder, or even Morgan. The reason I don’t boo Morgan, is because that’s what he wants, and you’re feeding his ego (whichever soup of the day it is).

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 9, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure I'd love Braun and Fielder if they were Cardinals.

I think tha’ts the litmus test. If Morgan was a Cardinal, I would try to tolerate him until he was gone.

by illcowboy on Oct 9, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think any of us would like morgan if he were a cardinal.

i’m trying to think of anybody we’ve ever had that’s been even as close to as bad as him. i can’t think of a single player. tlr would not let that shit fly for one second.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 9, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I think this is slightly incorrect.
We hate Braun for the same reason Brewers fans hate Pujols and Molina.

They hate Pujols for staring at homers. They hate Molina for his neck tattoos and some of the things he’s done the last few years (like argue with umps.) Perhaps because they already don’t like them, they look for other nonsensical reasons that only increase their hatred.

But I do think their hatred goes a little deeper than “rival team,” rational or not.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

we inexplicably have a biased against people that resemble marsupials?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone heard the final decision on the roster?

I thought it was weird that they were talking about carring 12 pitchers considering they only needed 10 for the Phillies. Its almost as if they are planning ahead in case someone needs to be plunked…

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Oct 9, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure some part of that is due to the fact that

the Brewers have a lot more thunder in their lineup than the Phils….

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rivalries are fun.

I’m glad that the Brewers are chirping. Although it seems strange that Zack “Frownie Face” Greinke is the one who vocalized his thoughts, I’m glad he did. I like our responses to the talk. It’s going to be intense, emotional and everything an NLCS should be.

Not surprisingly, William Lance Berkman had my favorite response.

"I understand, having played against the Cardinals, why people get irritated with the organization, because I used to be in that exact same situation. I looked at the Cardinals as the Darth Vader of the N.L. Central, a foe to be vanquished. They used to irritate me. They’re the team we had to beat. They’re Big Brother."

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He was in a troublesome situation.

The pitcher had a hold of him, if that clothesline wouldn’t have rocked him, it looked like the pitcher sure would have.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know

Morgan played hockey. I don’t know if you know that, but he played hockey, and like, that’s where his attitude comes from and stuff.

/s

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 9, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I quote

“And if Major League Baseball doesn’t do something about Nyjer Morgan, they’re coming up short.”

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Oct 9, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

DAAAMMMNNN!

No memory of this. Who/when?

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Oct 9, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Nyjer deck, not the Braun flop

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Oct 9, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sept. 1, last year, Morgan playing for Natinals vs. Maulins

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 9, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is the 1B who clocks morgan?

he deserves a cake or something

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gaby Sanchez right?

"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan

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by flipthebird15 on Oct 9, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you needed another reason to hate Nyjer Morgan

I present you with the following, via stltoday

When asked about calling Albert a woman on twitter

What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn’t have said it. But it is what it is.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 9, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

My God!

This also makes me think, do fans of other teams hate Theriot?

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 9, 2011 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

damn it

yours is better

No one expects GERALD. F. LAIRD.

by hr on Oct 9, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

They are both glorious in their own way.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the second fall at the end that gets me.

He fell, but that’s okay, he’s going to get up, he’s got his feet under him, maybe it will be… oh nope, no it won’t. He fell again.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also the hands at the bottom of the screen.

Raised fists, which gradually disappear. And one becomes a hand impotently waiving him on.

Good stuff.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wore my Pujols jersey to the Rangers game last night

I swear there are more Cardinals fans in Dallas than any other club but the Rangers themselves. I got high fives and back slaps all night. Go Redbirds! was exclaimed in every line I stood in. If the Cards play the Rangers in the WS, it will be like 2 home teams here. This was Cardinals country until the MLB arrived in 1972 and the Astros never caught on here. Praying for a Cardinals-Rangers series. (Beware though: Texas is really good with power bats, outstanding defensive infield and good bullpen – only the starters are iffy and they are much better than 2010.)

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Oct 9, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

there's a lot of animosity between Houston and Dallas

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texans would devolve into civil war if they didn't believe that

1) Everyone hates austin more than they hate each other

2) Everyone hates Louisiana and Oklahoma more than they hate each other

Also, even in houston, they kind of half follow the astros. Cardinals fans have outnumbered astros fans in pretty much every non-2004,2005 cards-astros game I’ve been at at the juice box. Same thing for a red sox-astros game I went to.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i need a venn diagram

where’s the usa today graph

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I taught for a year in East Texas

There are LOTS of people who hate Austin.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a reason why Lubbock

has 10x more infrastructure investment per captia than Austin does. And why all new highway investment in Austin is toll roads.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, this is definitely false.

We’ve got UT and oh man, does Texas love the Longhorns. I’ve lived in 3 of the 4 major cities in Texas, and while Austin is it’s own strange place, it’s definitely considered Texas.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

also, it's the f'ing capital of the state.

Texas loves stuff like that.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 10, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

what i mean by that is it's not like the rest of the state

not to get too political, but it’s more liberal than the rest of the state. that’s just what i’ve heard on the teevee, i’ve sadly never actually been to Texas but i want to. and Austin would be a place i’d visit, especially now with the Circuit Of The Americas being built.

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 10, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one's in this thread, so I doubt you've offended anyone with your almost politics.

And you’re absolutely right. Usually the map of Texas is an entire sea of red, with tiny Travis county the only blue in sight. The tv didn’t lie to you! Texas is very conservative, but Austin is liberal.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 10, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

loved this post....

…for all the great memories and intense emotions it brought back for me, given i fall into the category referred to as “the older fans reading”. cheering for the cards from the upper deck at shea in the 80’s was sometimes frightening (they used to throw things at us), but always worth it, especially when the pond scum left with an L on the books.

fast forward to game 1 nlcs weaver vs. glavine…even though we lost, it was rather hilarious to hear the fans around us get more and more nervous (and quiet) every inning that weaver matched glavine.

lastly, for those who want to relive a little bit of the 82 WS, there’s a nice piece on mlb.com “Players Recall Epic 82 Suds Series” (i identify it that way, cuz i can’t seem to copy the link……ya, i’m a spaz). on that note, our D friday night reminded me a lot of the our 80’s teams. so sweet!

by westsidecards on Oct 9, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

When this post really started to click

is the ending when it was lined up with Bear G’s face on the side bar and he looks fierce..

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Oct 9, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

per Chris Duncan tweet
Look for Lance Lynn and McClellan to both be on. Westrbook off and Schumaker off with broken toe and pulled ribcage.

Winner of the prestigious 2011 MVL as presented by Alxfritz.

"You didn't win LOY, but you did win MVL, which is a prestigious award I just made up. And that’s something RiverRat can never take from you." - Alxfritz

by Green Man! on Oct 9, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

LYNN?

Wow. That’s amazing.

"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.

by StanTheManFan on Oct 9, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

still no sanchez?

what’s up with that tony

No one expects GERALD. F. LAIRD.

by hr on Oct 9, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Sanchez's dirtiness over K-Macs homerun ball anyday

wait a minute, perhaps that wasn’t the best word to use with sanchez

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 9, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather see Greene and Lynn (or Sanchez)

I don’t understand why we are going with 12 pitchers.

Winner of the prestigious 2011 MVL as presented by Alxfritz.

"You didn't win LOY, but you did win MVL, which is a prestigious award I just made up. And that’s something RiverRat can never take from you." - Alxfritz

by Green Man! on Oct 9, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me, neither

With two off days, 11 pitchers, only 4 of which will start, should be plenty. To me, it ought to be a question of 11/14 versus 10/15, and 12/13 shouldn’t even be considered.

by hotwater2 on Oct 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard chicks dig the home run

but an unclean sanchez is new to me

No one expects GERALD. F. LAIRD.

by hr on Oct 9, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh...

no need for a bullpen anyway when you sweep the series with 4 CG shutouts.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Oct 9, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be happy with a split there

Has everyone forgotten how the brewers dominate at home?

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the part where they move the roof during ABs is a classic.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That shit may happen again during the NLCS

The Cards will just have to deal with it and beat them at the end of the day. Its not like MLB will reverse a final score because of lighting or because the Brewers were opening the roof.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 9, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way baseball was meant to be played...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

It was meant to be played on a hardwood gymnasium floor, but the roof is all they have.

by hangingfromatree on Oct 9, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

season series

it is what it is

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang

by EinFesteBusch on Oct 9, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is the broken toe report?

I haven’t been able to find anything about a broken toe on either of these players. Is Duncan chewing some funny tobacco these days?

www.stlcardinalbaseball.com

by Ray DeRousse on Oct 9, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Westy broke his toe?

How?

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It fell asleep from sitting on the bench from too long

and in a desperate bid to wake his foot up, because he thought he’d appear in a game, he kept throwing baseballs at it.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 9, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

For as much (in)action as Westbrook saw in the series,

that’s actually almost believable.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 9, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

it doesn't say that

it says schumaker has a broken toe and pulled ribcage

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Kurkjian's extremely earnest coverage of the rivalry.

haha.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I did enjoy

Grienke saying Morgan was annoying.

by jim of beam on Oct 9, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah....i forgot...

all radio personalities have a father who is key in making these decisions.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Oct 9, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

To bad his father doesn't make those decisions

 John Mozeliak said.

We’re not going to make any final decisions on our roster until it’s due tomorrow at 10 a.m.

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 9, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup..you're right...

Chris Duncan has absolutely no insider knowledge of what goes on with this club.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Oct 9, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was from 7:30 last night

and it was projected rosters from the associated press…not from espn radio or chris duncan

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Oct 9, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just saying

Chris duncan is a pretty fucking reliable source

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Oct 9, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

chrisduncan11chris duncan

Sanchez also wouldn’t be able to go back to back days

14 minutes ago

chrisduncan11chris duncan

It’s right move, you can’t risk blowing Sanchez shoulder out when they have the depth to go with other viable option.

14 minutes ago

JoeStraussJoe Strauss

TLR yet to explain. Uncertainty Re: Sanchez. RT @lueker: @JoeStrauss with both being out for months, what was reasoning in Sanchez VS Lynn?

19 minutes ago

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Oct 9, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote the exact same thing at my site yesterday

I respect the Phillies, and while beating them was nice, there is no reason to gloat over their defeat. It was more like Admiral Ackbar bowing his head as the Star Destroyer was finally defeated in RETURN OF THE JEDI: relief and respect.

But the Brewers? They need to be humiliated and destroyed on the playing field. The Cardinals need to unleash shock and awe like they did against the Reds in August of 2010. No mercy; it’s time to tuck their shirts back in and teach them some manners.

www.stlcardinalbaseball.com

by Ray DeRousse on Oct 9, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

In this thread from a sportsbetting forum...

a dude announced hee bet on the birds to win the NL at 400:1 in early September. Some of the early replies are great…

http://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=27&sub=101123963&page=1

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Oct 9, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

holy shit

If I had even an extra 200 to spend, I would have put it down.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 9, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

nsfw avatars over there

and oh man, those comments are awesome. what a timeline.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's interesting in that one really has to know the details to actually make decisions on it

when someone says “amazing, that many blown saves in the LCS”
it’s not exactly insider information that those saves are attributed to guys who are no longer with the team. but with so many teams and such a long season, you’d actually have to be paying attention.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was very interesting.

I wish I knew more about the vocabulary of betting like that.

From the blackhole of the Iowa TV market.

by icardinal on Oct 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the discussion about whether "the book" would pay out was interesting

I mean, if you can’t trust your online bookie, who can you trust?

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Oct 9, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great article

If only there was a way to combine Philly’s team & Milwaukee’s fans it would be perfect. I don’t hate Braun. Him falling and then laughing about it made him more likeable to me. Morgan is easy to love (as a fanbase) when you are winning. WHEN Milwaukee goes down is he injecting energy to the club or distracting? Easy to love when everything is going well. They go to playoffs twice in my lifetime (born ’83) & are swept out once & now they are the baddest MFers in baseball I always thought you had to have accomplished something to act the way they do. I used to have respect for Greinke until he decided to tug on Supermans cape. Go CRADS!!!!!

by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Oct 9, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

it's like a Daft Punk song

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quote:

“The untucking that was signature of previous clubs was always bothersome not for the act itself but for the juvenile nature of it.”

I feel the same way about the “shredding” going on with the Cards right now. Pisses me off more actually.

Yes, the main culprit is Punto but the whole team is complicit. I was embarrassed for the team on Friday when, having just pitched a masterful game, the birds on the bat were ripped off of Carpenter. It looked…hoosiery. And insensitive to the team’s respected place in baseball past and present.

I think Carpenter probably felt the same. Didn’t take long for him to grab a jacket and cover it up for the postgame interviews and celebrations.

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Oct 9, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed.

www.stlcardinalbaseball.com

by Ray DeRousse on Oct 9, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most baseball players never mature out of adolescence.

They are drafted out of high school or college. The frat house environment of the clubhouse is their professional environment. This is why I am not surprised by untucking—which was started by veteran Mike Cameron to honor his deceased father—or shredding or western wear road trips or whatever. There’s little doubt in mind that most big leaguers are pretty immature so it’s of little surprise when they act immaturely. Whether it’s shaving cream pies to the face, lighting players shoes on fire or whatever, this type of thing has been going on for decades. I can’t get worked up about it because such behavior is the norm in MLB not the exception.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

In sports, as in politics,

it’s always okay as long as it’s our side doing it, but it’s NEVER okay when it’s them.

That’s an overstatement, but there’s a lot of truth to it. Honestly, I wonder how we’d all feel about Nyjer Morgan if he was a Cardinal. And I know damn well how I’d feel about Chris Carpenter if he was a Brewer.

(I note this isn’t very responsive to your post because you’re being critical of the Cards; whatever, it’s what I wrote)

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a good point

OTOH, seems to me that it’s a lot different to do it occasionally, to the hero of a game when celebrating a walk-off win, or an NLDS victory, than it is to do it every single game, whether you win 7-0 or 1-0.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Oct 9, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

the shredding thing is kind of dumb

they don’t usually do it on the field though

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

both times I've seen it done was on the field

The first being Punto and then Carp on Friday.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember it's pretty normal to do it on the field after a walkoff, but

I don’t seem to remember anyone being stripped down to the point they were topless before Carp.

by bailorg on Oct 9, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember Pujols hitting a walkoff and running away from the guys waiting for him at the plate.

I think he was trying to avoid the shredder. At least that’s what the Cat said on The Morning After.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. In most hockey circles, the jersey crest is practically sacred.

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Oct 9, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any guesses on which Brewer said this?
“I don’t know. I like the way they play the game. I think their manager is really smart. I like how their players play. They play the game good. They hardly ever make mistakes. I don’t know why it seems to be like that, but coming into spring training no one liked the Cardinals on our team. And I guess the (Cincinnati) Reds didn’t like them last year.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes,

it’s Greinke.

Now I expect Cardinals fans to all mention is social anxiety disorder and how he shouldn’t be praising the Cardinals because of it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reaction to his statements about Carpenter,

which, as you note below, were him expressing why his teammates dislike Carpenter, was shameful and embarrassing to me as a St. Louis fan. Carpenter is a complete asshole on the field. I enjoy it because he is a Cardinal but I know it would be insufferable to me if a Red, Cub, Astro, Pirate, or Brewer acted in the same way. Yet fans flock to Carpenter’s defense and bring Greinke’s social anxiety disorder into it as if that somehow disqualifies Greinke from telling us why his Brewers teammates dislike the Cardinal pitcher.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently you're not qualified to call carpenter and asshole

because you don’t know him personally. at least that’s the reasoning i encountered when i expressed pretty much the same opinion as you

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, full agreement on all that.

My only participation in that conversation yesterday was to argue that it’s not always wrong to make social anxiety jokes (and to be briefly snitty with pj).

Anyway, Carp gon’ Carp. Glad he’s on our side.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's been a lot of debate on this and there's one simple answer

Julian Tavarez, the only time in history Al was right was when he talked about the hate and love for Julian depending on if he was on your team

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 9, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Also

Punch phones!!!!!!!

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 9, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

see, I don't agree that Carpenter is a "complete asshole"

despite all the jokes, I think most of the time he’s pretty normal. He does let out the occasional primal scream, but he’s hardly the only pro athlete to get fired up/demonstrative on the field. He doesn’t have a reputation for throwing at batters, he doesn’t mouth off in the press….what’s the big complaint? He’s intense? So what? The guy missed three whole seasons to a variety of injuries and he’s had to overcome a lot to get where he is.

It’d be insufferable to me to watch Carp pitch for another team because he’s an excellent pitcher, not because of how he acts.

I do agree that ZG’s comments have nothing to do with his off-field issues, and I wish we could just leave those out of the discussion, cause there’s nothing useful anybody here is going to say about them.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have game 5 tickets, and he's scheduled to pitch.

In lieu of booing him for saying something that, in context, was fairly innocuous (he was talking about how his teammates feel about Carp, and probably reporting that feeling accurately), I’m hoping to get a nice “DOOOON-AAALD, DOOOON-AAAALD” chant going when he pitches.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

So this means grienke will sign a discounted contract with us

Once he becomes a FA, right?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 9, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

One can always hope.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Line up

@BJRains B.J. Rains
Cardinals Game 1 lineup: Furcal 6, Jay 8, Pujols 3, Berkman 9, Holliday 7, Molina 2, Freese 5, Theriot 4, Garcia 1.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Why Theriot over Punto with the groundballer Garcia on the hill?

Why, oh why?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, why Theriot over Punto ever?

Punto does every single thing better than Theriot.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa

hollidya in the 5-hole

that’s a first

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holliday batted fifth in the NLDS when he started.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, son of a gun

i mean it’s the right move, i’m just surprised to see it

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who wishes there wasn't all this bad blood and trash talking going on?

Yeah, it gives people things to talk about, but I’m just worried that some little thing could just send things over the top in a way that takes away from the game on the field.

Watching the little highlight reel of all the crap that has gone on this year and the statements people are making are just making me a little disgusted in a way that I really shouldn’t feel with my team going into the NLCS.

by bailorg on Oct 9, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Honestly, this stuff usually doesn't amount to anything.

Especially in the playoffs. I don’t expect any fireworks of note, really.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I doubt anyone other than Morgan would do anything that could get them ejected.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to believe this

I’m just worried that if there is an incident involving Morgan, he may provoke something to the point where the powers that be may feel compelled to suspend someone from both teams.

BTW, does anyone know for sure if players have the same appeal rights for postseason play, or are there a different set of rules for this time of year?

by bailorg on Oct 9, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt MLB suspends anyone for a postseason game.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

GOB it would be awesome if t plush went and got himself suspended

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 9, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

highly unlikely

seriously, Morgan is the only one on either team that I think is gonzo enough to start anything.

Now, something might happen, but I think this is mostly bullshit that’s going to disappear once the baseball starts. The media has an interest in fanning the flames, cause it’s good for ratings.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zymugists:

MLB MLB
Brewers’ Game 1 lineup: Hart RF, Hairston 3B, Braun LF, Fielder 1B, Weeks 2B, Betancourt SS , Gomez CF, Lucroy C, Greinke P

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't get over the fact that the Brewers bat Betancourt sixth.

Batting order doesn’t matter and all that, sure, but I think Betancourt is one of the worst offensive players in baseball.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

But but

The brewers LOVE him, he full of gritty, team spirity goodness and his glove is the main reason they are in the playoffs! Amirite Al?

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 9, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yuni is so bad

i wish they still played mcgehee as well. they caught on to how awful he was though

by Wombat x on Oct 9, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

so is mcgehee hurt?

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by EinFesteBusch on Oct 9, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umps

BJRains B.J. Rains
Cards-Brewers umpires: HP Gary Darling (crew chief), 1B Tim Timmons, 2B Sam Holbrook, 3B Mike Everitt, LF Bill Miller, RF Mike Winters.

Darling is pretty solid, isn’t he?

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

well i haven't heard anything bad about him

thats about as high of praise you can give an ump

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NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
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by Aranathor on Oct 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosterbation

@RobRains Rob Rains
Cards NLCS roster is official. As expected, McClellan and Lynn are active; Schumaker and Westbrook are off. #stlcards

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

So does this mean Punto or Therior gets

the majority of starts at second? I’m hoping Punto for his defense.

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by mtzxc on Oct 9, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot starting today.

But yeah, it’ll be Punto and Theriot.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is also a better hitter than Theriot.

I’ve decided to go ahead and beat that drum.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot has a .292 wOBA.

Wow is that ever horrendous!

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

He is 6 for his last 10. There’s somewhat of a hot hand in there. I doubt he’ll be in there late in the game if it’s a close game.

by martimeryard on Oct 9, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes him due for an 0-fer.

That’s right, I’m not above the gambler’s fallacy.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty arbitrary.

Given Theriot’s poor offensive ability, I’d say he’s much more likely to go 0-fer today than get a hit. But here’s hoping that the spirit of Mark Lemke has possessed him.

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by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no empirical evidence that a hot hand actually exists

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by mysterui on Oct 9, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that hot streaks don't exist

it is that you can’t predict them. Being in the midst of a “hot streak” has virtually no predictive value for the next at bat.

But, retrospectively, you can find players that were ‘hot’ during parts of the season.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Oct 9, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, SSS and all that, but Punto's actually hit well this year.

At any rate he draws more walks that Theriot, and that’s one repeatable skill difference that we can be sure exists. As between two singles hitters, I’ll take the one who walks more.

I can tell that I’m starting to get nervous because I’m obsessing about a probably meaningless managerial choice. Start the damn game already.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Schu can start in center after only starting there once this year

Why couldn’t Craig get some action at second? Just saying.

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by mtzxc on Oct 9, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think because the idea is to win baseball games

also if you want the TLR reasoning it’s because he broke his kneecap a couple months ago and they want to avoid collisions

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuckin KMac.

Hope that guy gets as many innings as Westbrook did last round.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 9, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey! chris duncan is a valid source now!

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 9, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

First beer bet of the series!

Schlafly Schlafly Beer
Hey @sprecherbrewery, how about a little wager on the @Cardinals v @Brewers series between #craftbeer friends? Loser ships a case?

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by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

October 9, 1934

Gashouse Gang Day

On this day in 1934 the Gashouse Gang won the World Series. That’s got to bode well for the Cardinals, right?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Oct 9, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this where Carp is talking to reporters, then

Oh My God, It’s Nyjer Morgan With A Folding Chair!

Probably not.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

only Dennys could pull that off

best lucha among the latest cardinals

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

(i'm waiting for the gif.)

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

and we have the photoshop of it into Cards colors.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

But!

If I could get him with a top hat and an ardilla, it would be excellent. And relevant.

by hangingfromatree on Oct 9, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yes. yes, yes.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually envisioned Laird as sort of a rowdy roddy piper tipe

he’d come in with the kilt and bagpipes and say “I’M THE LAIRD O’ THE HOUSE!”

Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President

by peppermartin on Oct 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

LET'S GET PISSED!

Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President

by peppermartin on Oct 9, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hatred of Teams and their Fans

In general I don’t dislike any particular teams or players from a personal perspective. Nyjer Morgan is an exception. Thankfuly his imature and egotistical brand of self-promotion is a rarity in baseball. Even more thankfuly we have a manager and an organization that would never put up with with his crap.

And while I love a Cardinals-Cubs game and I love for the Cardinals to beat the Cubs, Outside of that divisional competition, I hold no special animosity towards the Cubs and I have never had a problem with their fans. On the other hand, I find Red Sox fans to me the most spoiled, arogant and childish fans in all of sports. I can’t remember talking to or chatting with a Red Sox fan that wasn’t a prick. I have to admit that I did take a bit of joy in the Red Sox colapse just because it upset their fan base.

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by Zubin on Oct 9, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no problems with any Red Sox fan i know

though I don’t know many. The Philly football fans are extremely annoying, yes, but I’ve never had a problem with their baseball fans. The ones I can’t stand in general are Chicago fans, either Cubs or White Sox. On, and all the Pujols haters on any baseball blog.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 9, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Bears and Blackhawks fans

Why do you think I became a Packers fan?
That said Philly baseball fans throw batteries, blind players with laser pointers, and hate thier star slighted for “not running out” a groundout with a torn Achilles tendon. Also thier sense of entitlement is annoying, seriously, storage Yankees and Cowboys fans can use thier teams success as excuse to expect to win like a bunch of pricks, what has Philly ever done for it besides decide they are better than everyone?

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 9, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Star slugger*

And *Atleast Yankees and Cowboys and as *an excuse

I swear that I’m the Greek god of typos

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 9, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

maybe its just because I grew up amongst a lot of Cubs/Bears fans

and were around a lot more of them in college, but they’re the worst…arrogant, some of them are quite ignorant and a lot of bandwagonry.

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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were fans actually slagging on Howard for not running that out?

It’s not like he just gave up, HIS ACHILLES TENDON RUPTURED AS HE LEFT THE BATTERS BOX.

It’s one thing to lazily jog down the line on a ball that required a decent-to-good play, it’s another thing entirely to collapse because a piece of your body ripped apart and can no longer support you.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 9, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

some guys who were present reported that most of the focus was on the on-field celebration, also in shock. I don’t think they’d have realized — in HD and with slo-mo we get a better view than they did.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose I could see that.

Only in that immediate moment, right after the loss, though. It’d be pretty clear to see him crumpled in a heap and being helped off the field by the trainers if you just look around the field after the play was over.

If they want to ding him for hitting an infield grounder to end the postseason or swinging on 3-0 in his prior at bat, fine. But to complain about lack of hustle (as some bulletin board folks are doing there still today – I just checked one of their newspaper websites) seems to me to be the height of unfairness.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 9, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's.... weird.

just a bit less weird is usage of his injury as emblematic. I mean, I’m all for tropes, but yikes.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remind me to put the philly newspaper forms

just below the stltoday.com forums in terms of civilized discourse.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 9, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem hating...

Phillies fans. Having lived here for a while now, I think I can reasonably say Philadelphia truly is a city with an exceptional number of jerks. They really own that abrasive persona, as exemplified by when Worley almost hit Craig in the head in game 2 (because it was wet and he slipped) and the fans cheered. I will admit that I am yet to visit Citizens Bank for a game, but that is mostly because multiple people have told me it isn’t a good place to take my 9 y/o son — because of all the drunk asshats in the stands.

by chris13 on Oct 9, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

so I shouldn't mention the SI article that says Philly is baseball heaven?

no, really.

baseball heaven
doubt it’s online yet, though.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the same sports illustrated that ranked STL as the 32nd best sports city in America?

Behind Oklahoma City and Norman, OK? That SI?

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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it was pretty funny!

the poor dear was so floridly earnest.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lolwut

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by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why the need to hate?

It seems strange to me, this need to despise the other team. I’m real happy when the Cardinals win, period.

by hotwater2 on Oct 9, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

this

hating just brings a whole lot of nastiness into places it doesn’t belong

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by EinFesteBusch on Oct 9, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

fyi towels are not to be used for digging into those places.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez > Boggs?

Boggs in the DS… 2 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K

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by EinFesteBusch on Oct 9, 2011 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

OH MY GOD JUST START THE GAME!!

OK…deep breaths…. It’s only an hour and a half.

by BTown Birds fan on Oct 9, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

have you considered a nice, soothing motet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arrA7DBmeNI

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by EinFesteBusch on Oct 9, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when we made the NLCS every years?

Five years makes you miss it, badly

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 9, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i remember those houston series like they were yesterday

when pujols and beltran would both homer in the first inning every game

by Wombat x on Oct 9, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

roof open today

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Time for a nap.

Wake me before the game starts, Veebs.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

i'll tell the dudes outside your window

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

couldn't sleep?

I was wondering what they would do to make room on the 40 man for Lynn.

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by scoot on Oct 9, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catnap.

They’re great once you get the hang of it.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

also the dudes outside his window.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

clank's no good at that.

He just leers oddly and takes notes. No help waking up at all.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never thought clank was the leering kind

maybe that’s chalk.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew Brown is still a meme, right?

/can’t keep up

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew who?

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by Paulspike on Oct 9, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown.

He’s a car wash attendant in the Lou that always washes Dave McKay’s car after home victories.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 9, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two of those comments I post here because they make no sense.
Home-field advantage means nothing, except when it does.

Nothing to add to this. Basically just a what the fuck does that even mean?

Braun, who should win NL MVP, proves the biggest name.

Braun isn’t the biggest name. Pujols is. Hell, I’d argue Berkman is a bigger name. Not to mention that the team with the biggest name is the dumbest reason for picking a team to win.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Rzepczynski

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Yeah, the idea that Braun is a bigger star than Pujols is funny.

I mean, Ryan Braun is a great player, and had a great season, and deserves to be a big star. But it’s A.F.P.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he meant

has the biggest series, which is totally believable.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes sense

all written in present tense, i guess

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then why didn't he say that?

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

an actual good article from jayson stark and the wwl, theres a good Carp quote in there too
It was a night La Russa had been waiting for all week, and when he woke up Friday morning, he felt as if game time would never come. So he went for a walk through the streets of Philadelphia, even though he recognized that had a chance to be “kind of dangerous.”

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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

i – fairly or unfairly – immediately thought of the phone calls and such trying to locate him

‘The old guy wandered off again…’

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is awesome...

nothing like a hate filled rivalry. In my lifetime its been the Mets, Cubs, Astros, Giants, and now the Brewers… Looking forward to some chin music, 15 minute home run trots, and possibly Nyjer Morgan getting beat down a la Gaby/Volstad.

Let’s do it!

by guayzimi on Oct 9, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I must be getting old, but

I do remember hating other teams (the Mets, the Astros), but these days I love the rivalries on the field more than the circuses beyond it. Go Cards!

by HIfan on Oct 9, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

i think the circuses these days are different.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

they’re a lot tamer.

by guayzimi on Oct 9, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cam Newton is good.

That is all.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate it.

I was excited for him to be terrible.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know, so was I.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

certainly makes drafting Peyton less painful

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by scoot on Oct 9, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

FANTASY FOOTBALL THREAD!!!

Just give it to McFadden, Oakland. He’s really good and stuff.

by Pegasus on Oct 9, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am facing a guy starting victor cruz

who ust caught a 60 yard td or something

whoopdy doo.

by Wombat x on Oct 9, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch here.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 9, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahah

of course that will be the catch that loses me the week. standard.

by Wombat x on Oct 9, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have realized fantasy football blows though

i used to be really into it, but its such fluke bs. especially the fact that there are “fantasy playoffs” so basically the entire first 13 or 14 weeks don’t matter as long as you are in the top 6.

by Wombat x on Oct 9, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, Matt Hasselbeck is horrible against the Steelers

always

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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't remember ever being so completely disinterested in Sunday pro-handegg

I don’t know if it’s just the Rams disintegration, exciting baseball, or just something else, but just haven’t been able to get too into football this year.

I suspect it’s mostly the Rams’ total collapse when I expected them to, at a minimum, still be competitive in the NFC West.

by bailorg on Oct 9, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I totally agree with you.

I wasn’t really watching the game. I just saw him get two first two practically by himself. But yeah, I woke up this morning thinking to myself “Wow I’m glad a Rams’ game isn’t on.”

I didn’t even think that when the Rams went 1-15. I guess expectations are everything.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here

i have basically no interest in nfl this year, too caught up in the cards and the rams season is over before it even started

by Wombat x on Oct 9, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

TBS beginning the bullshit portion of their coverage.

are we threadin’?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

hey, they get points for showing Pedro throw down Don Zimmer

lol

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, actual video evidence that Yadi et al thinks there's sign-stealing.

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really

they could have been discussing changing up coverages with the runner coming into second.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

mostly I'm impressed they were trying to reach for something

instead of just the pure bullshit.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they think Milwaukee is stealing signs

they wouldn’t wait til a runner gets on to discuss it. They’d already have it set up before the game, especially as detailed as TLR and Duncan are about planning.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, I'm talking about using the video. in the show.

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

I’m arguing with their logic behind the reason for the visit. We’re talking about the same piece from different angles. You are providing play by play and I’m the color man.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

do I get drunk, now?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

just don't pass out

I can’t do play by play

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by scoot on Oct 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have Don Zimmer next in my death pool.

I got Steve Jobs. Didn’t have Al Davis. Also have both Kirk and Michael Douglass.

by hangingfromatree on Oct 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sager in the lavender today.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

SAGER LEVEL

PURPLE

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

omg, look at Sagers jacket

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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

surprisingly subdued

i don’t mind the lavender so much..

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Oct 9, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's see...

i think the green lately was to go along with the Phanatic

lavender might be red+blue, so as to be impartial?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And now, it's the hate portion of the pregame.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 9, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

so it's official

Carpenter said “do you think I care what’s zack greinke says about me”

 Chris carpenter doesn’t give a fuck

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 9, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

So why is Theriot there when Greinke is a RHP?

I want more Punting

2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.6, Boog = 2.6 as of Sept 28
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by Paulspike on Oct 9, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe

Tony’s thinking is that Theriot might take some lengthy ABs and see lots of pitches, like Schumaker did vs. Halladay. Who knows.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 9, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have had momentum

Now we finally have the robot…T Plush and the Brew Crew are Dooooooooooommed!

11 in '11

Carp on Brendan

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 9, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't like momentum

I like more of this slow lurch with quick bites around the blood vessels.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i don't know

maybe the robot has succumbed to his ennui.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes but someone in here watches it

i was rippin ong it while my wife watches it and someone commented

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Oct 9, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've watched the first two episodes

it’s like most other new sci-fi shows.. interesting premise, turrible writing. the story lines will dead-end about 10 episodes in and it’ll fail in a season or two.

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Oct 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The script is fucking awful. Just awful.

No one talks like the people on that show. That said, I think the actors do decent work with it. I like the husband-wife dynamic and there is the potential for some larger mythos (a la LOST) that could be promising.

I’m not sure it will stay on my DVR for more than a few weeks though.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Oct 9, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ALCS game 2 postponed

Will be tomorrow afternoon (SHADOWS!)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 9, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, Ordonez out for the series

He has an ankle.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats unfortunate, most people have two

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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and some people are David Freese.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume he actually carries a couple spares

if he breaks down on the basepaths, the trainers will run out, unscrew the lugnuts on the injured ankle with an electric drill, and quickly change it out.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 9, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, you're thinking of Matt Holliday.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmmm

seems odd they wouldn’t wait until gametime. probably has a lot to do with how much it has already rained, but the forcast makes it seem dodgy as to if it will rain more tonight.

get some runs

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 9, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

gee, Eck. biased much?

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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