St. Louis Cardinals vs. Philadelphia Phillies NLDS Game 3: Missed Opportunities Doom Cards
by bgh on Oct 4, 2011 9:46 PM EDT
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Print4 BB + 12 H = 2 R
The equation looks wrong. A baseball club should have more runs scored than two when it generates sixteen base runners in a ballgame. And yet that is just what the St. Louis Cardinals did in their pivotal Game 3 matchup with the Philadelphia Phillies today. The Cardinals had 22 LOB in today's game, a total that felt more like 2,200 to the frustrated fans watching at home.
So bad was the Cardinals' performance with runners in scoring position that David Freese singling in Albert Pujols for the club's first run in the bottom of the seventh felt like a breath of fresh air. Of course, that momentary uplift was quickly followed up by Yadier Molina flying out to right field with runners on first and second. Just as the trend ended, it was started back up again.
The LOB dagger was twisted in particularly brutal fashion in the bottom of the eighth inning. The Cardinals loaded the bases against the Philadelphia bullpen. Allen Craig dug in against the Phillies' closer Ryan Madson. Craig hit the ball on the nose--too well, in fact--for it went right to second baseman Chase Utley who had time to run to second, touch the base, and fire to first for a inning-ending, rally-killing double play. For a fan base that has suffered so many GIDP this season, the comeback being halted by another was almost farcical.
Jaime Garcia pitched well enough to win, to be sure, but his first six innings were a display of efficiency that undoubtedly warmed Dave Duncan's heart. Garcia was a strike-throwing machine, inducing poor contact on swing after swing from the Phillies. So dominant was Garcia that the manager understandably chose not to pinch-hit for him with runners on and two outs in the bottom of the sixth inning. The Gods of Baseball being a fickle lot, they created trouble for the young southpaw in the top of the seventh.
Shane Victorino singled to lead off the seventh. Then, improbably, Yadier Molina failed to properly block a Garcia pitch in the dirt which allowed it to pass between his legs and to the backstop. Victorino advanced to second base. After a fly out to Berkman in right field and a groundout to Freese at third base, Garcia was ordered to intentionally walk catcher Carlos Ruiz to get to pinch-hitter Ben Francisco. Garcia left his second pitch to Francisco, a four-seamer, up and Francisco knocked it into the bullpen beyond the left-field wall, giving the Phillies a 3-0 lead. That would be all the runs they would need.
And so, with this latest punch to the gut, it would seem that the dazzling unidentified flying object has been revealed to be nothing but swamp gas. But with this Cardinal collective, this wonderfully flawed group of underachievers, this club that has seemingly had its season ended on at least a half-dozen prior occasions, this is par for the course. Personally, I'm still trying to figure out how there wasn't a Game No. 163. In my mind, the jury is still out on the question of UFO or swamp gas.
Game 3 was indeed there for the taking and the Cardinals had every right to snatch it up as a tally for their win column. But they didn't. And so the Cards enter Game 4 of this NLDS starring down elimination. For weeks the Cards have won this starring contest. I might be distraught or worried if this situation hadn't become so routine for the 2011 St. Louis Cardinals and, by extension, we their fans. As it is, I'm looking forward to another baseball game at Busch Stadium with Albert Pujols in a Cardinals uniform.
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I demand more happiness.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2011 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
then come back tomorrow
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
tomorrow will have more angst, belike.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought the last paragraph was pretty uplifting.
After all, tomorrow will be my first playoff game attended. I’m really excited.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Big game tomorrow. Should be fun!
My mid-season predictions contest RESULTS
See if you won!
by a fink on Oct 5, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
GOBs, GOBs, why have you forsaken us?
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
oh.... I don't think they're forsaking us.
they seem really interested in us.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Kind of like Job
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Oct 4, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
haha (sorry I can't link twitter, work blocks it)
@AaronGleeman “Classic Derek Jeter, ranging up the middle to make the play.” – person who apparently has never seen Derek Jeter play before
@pgammo: @AaronGleeman Amazing how brave people are when they’ve never played
(Gleeman is a writer on Hardball Talk with Calcaterra)
Birds in St. Louis, but they goin' reptilian.
The manner in which writers like Gleeman or Calcaterra,
who largely have no direct contact with players, is very different from those that do have direct contact.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 4, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
totally get it.
but I find Gammon’s reply ridiculous. I’m not allowed to criticize a dish I can’t make? or a guitar solo I can’t play?
Birds in St. Louis, but they goin' reptilian.
he also tweeted:
@pgammo That is a good thong
completely out of the blue yesterday. Not sure what my point is.
Birds in St. Louis, but they goin' reptilian.
Gammons frequently pocket tweets and mis-types on his Twitter account.
I think Peter Gammons is one of the best baseball writers ever. I don’t understand the dislike for him amongst some folks. Maybe it’s because I grew up watching him on ESPN and then reading him on ESPN.com (I even subscribed to ESPN.com Insider primarily for his writings), but I think he’s great. And an important aspect of his greatness is that he hasn’t lost touch of the fact that ballplayers are people, too. There’s a humanity in his writing that is missing in a lot of other places.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wilson Betemit
Next DWTS champion.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Jesus Chirst, how did we lose this
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Everything about this statement is correct except for the word "overrated"
That last part is BS.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Well, that sucked ass.
How we can beat the ball around the way we did and only score 2 fucking runs is beyond me.
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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
12 hits--2 runs
a major stinker
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
best songs of the 00s
VH1 is just running out.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
score, the weird al version
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Y2S are you bored and talkng to yourself?
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
now, now, let's not use that kind of language.
one can have an alternate… lifestyle
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is it just me or has music become
a complete abomination, and assault to the integrity of my ears, a truckload of crap during the past 5-10 years?
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Bad music and stupid people go waaaay back.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the thing is.
I listen to a lot of classic rock and 70’s songs. And there is a boatload of great, amazing songs from those golden years. I really doubt that anyone, in 30 years, will be listening to recent artists. Nevertheless, music preferences are subjective so I could be wrong
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There were a lot of one-hit wonders and trash on the radio in the 70s.
Also, disco. The shit (generally) doesn’t survive. It gets filtered out.
Bad recorded music has been around since recorded music.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 5, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
eh, just go with the flow
music peaked with with ‘60s motown/doowop, so now there’s nothing to do but enjoy the long road down.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Music peaked with late 60's psychadelia
So I guess by our standards, Funkadelic is the best band of all time.
But I don’t see a reason why music has to go downhill. The 90’s was great for music.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
20th anniversary of Nevermind!
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 5, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i was shocked to learn Van Halen's You Really Got Me is as old as i am
now that’s f’ed up. i swear it was released in the mid 80’s
Balls
Also, if we really want to discuss when music truly peaked,
it would probably be something that required a full orchestra to play properly.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 5, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I'm a big fan of lyrics
Maybe that’s not music, but it’s definitely a big part of the “song”. Also, there something that guitar’s and heavy drums have over orchestral instruments.
But yeah, from a technical standpoint music probably peaked in it’s complexity around 100 years ago.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I don’t think I’ve even loved a song all the way through since like 2007. Certainly there aren’t any bands that starting in the past few years that I like at all.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Vampire Weekend
I know they may evoke some kind of white upper-middle class banality to some, but I think they’re awesome. Horchata or Contra, for example. Just really great songs.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Contra the song, I meant
but I agree with your statement
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Aah, sorry that's the exact type of music that I really don't like
I guess my favorite new band would be Tame Impala, but I use like pretty generously, I wouldn’t even put them in my top 50 bands.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Antlers
no widows. . Song from another album I’ve been digging lately.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Lol, no
I like plenty of music.
But yeah, I’ve listened to Antlers before. They are better than most bands that I’ve heard, but I still don’t really like them.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Or music just sucks now
There were plenty of bands and albums that I liked up until 2007, since then it’s becoming much harder to find.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
no i don't think that you're right
more music is made than ever before and you’re trying to tell me that you can’t find anyone making the kind of music you like. you’re not looking or you just don’t know where to look
I agree.
Although, most mainsteam music sucks blue balls anymore. Mainstream, by definition, has for a long time. Just not on the level that it does now. But maybe I’m hitting the ‘get of my lawn’ phase of life.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to say that the music in the Top 40
now is definitely of worse quality than songs in the Top 40 30 years ago
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this.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
well, 30 years ago, music popularity was measured by what
teens and adults liked. Now, every 11 year old spends 6 hours a day on the internet or downloading songs or watching the disney channel, so they drive the conception of what is “popular” music
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Look at this
In 1975, the top 10 songs in the year-end Billboard chart included Elton John, David Bowie, Earth Wind and Fire, Captain and Tenille, John Denver, David Bowie, The Eagles, and Neil Sedaka. In 2010 the list included Ke$ha, Katy Perry ft. Snoop Dogg, Taio Cruz, Lady Gaga, Lady Antebellum, Usher, Eminem ft. Rihanna.
Again, all subjective of course, but I find the artists on the 1975 a million times more talented than the recent ones
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I've looked plenty, I always listen to the links you guys post
I listen to bands under “similar artists” of bands I like on wikipedia.
It all just sounds like crappy indie pop, nothing sounds like anything, nothing evokes any strong feelings or imagery. And when a band does stumble upon a cool sound for a song – like say Mumford and Sons, they make all their other songs sound just like that one.
Listen to any Pink Floyd or Velvet Underground or even Pixies or Modest Mouse album – each songs is it’s own masterpiece, different from the next.
This current generation of music is the equivalent of the mid 70’s stuff, where nearly everything just sounds like generic blues rock. I figure the next 10 years will be a bunch of wierd crap, and then the Pixies will come along again or something.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
if you don't like indie pop
why you looking them up on wikipedia and checking out their similar artists
i’m not entirely sure how can classify “the current generation of music” as one sound, either. which leads me to believe you’re exposed to a very narrow window of the music currently being made
I look up similar artists to bands that I like
Which usually isn’t indie-pop. But that seems to be the most common style. Even beyond that, the bands that don’t make indie pop, like Tame Impala, Rival Sons, Jesu – aren’t good for me either. It goes back to what I’m saying about the music not invoking any kind of feeling or imagery – that’s the thing I liked most about psychadelic rock.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
lots of bangs are making psychedelic rock music
i don’t like psychedelic rock very much, so i can’t recommend any to you
Yes, I know
Tame Impala is considered psychedelic, but they don’t have any of the qualities of what I would consider a good band – where each song it’s own identity. They all just kind of merge together.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
here ya go. vep.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It amuses me when the two of you argue music
Because of those that frequently discuss music, I identify with both of you pretty equally.
Still not a werewolf.
reminds me a bit of Depeche Mode
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I love vampire weekend and various vampire weekend-alikes (ra ra riot, surfer blood)
I realize that makes me a stereotype, and I don’t care at al.
just the top 40 & other popular shit
there’s a lot of good music & bands, you just got to look for them
Balls
we didn't used to have to look so hard, that's the problem
the cream no longer rises to the top so we stuck with the gaga’s & biebers of the world. anyone with a youtube account can be a star. that’s both good & bad
Balls
here, try a little
Diana Krall and let your worries fall away.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Mmmmm.
Diana Krall.
Saw her and Chris Botti at the Fox, just a couple of rows from the front. Wonderful show.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 5, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Lucky bastard
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what you guys will think of me
but I find these guys particularly good.
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that's quite nice, actually
other than i have no fucking clue what they’re saying
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Something about "The World" and how it goes round and round.
They have some in English too. I recommend them
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I can see why. I'll listen to them more.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I have the perfect GIF for Theriot's performance the last two games.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
This one is on TLR, IMO, in the most ironic way possible.
The manager who is perpetually scorned for overmanaging, fiddling with the bullpen when it doesn’t need to be done, leaves Jaime in to face Francisco, when there are a passel of right-handed relievers who didn’t work yesterday.
I had to drive home from my office (where I accomplished essentially nothing once the game started) just as the seventh started, and was saying to myself, “Time to get Jaime out of there, but surely someone as micro-managing-crazy as TLR will do it.”
Right.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
He should have pinch hit for Jaime in the 6th
Always got pinch hit in that situation.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That too.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Oct 4, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And intentionally walking Carlos Ruiz.
Haven’t 2 of the 3 intentional walks so far this series been followed by homers?
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Oct 4, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he trying to provea point
By managing the hell out of a game and then alternating by not over managing and letting ownership see the clear difference?
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
With the way Jaime was pitching, I think you allow him to pitch to Francisco. To me, La Russa’s biggest mistake was ordering the IBB of Ruiz.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
For sure, Jaime had been brilliant
but there is VERY little margin for error in that situation.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Oct 4, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jaime vs. Francisco or Dotel vs. Ibanez?
I think Manuel pulls Francisco for Ibanez if TLR goes to Dotel in that situation. I’d rather have Jaime facing Francisco, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Fair question
but honestly, despite Jaime’s efficiency, fatigue and the fact that they’ve been watching him pitch argues to me that you HAVE to go to a RHP in that situation. For that matter, I was hoping that Dotel would start the inning and that TLR would pinch hit, with the two guys on base. When that didn’t happen, I got this sinking feeling …
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Oct 4, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll have to agree to disagree then.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The positive to take away IMO is this team is still fighting against the team with the best record in baseball
Sometimes you are just going to be on the short end of the stick. The thing we/they need to keep doing is keep it positive and believe. The cards much more than us the fans. But I would still appreciate some positive thinking. I know nothing we do has any effect intellectually, but somehow it fells like it does.
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
it's the playoffs. where is there not a small margin of error
by that logic, we should have pulled jaime when the first RHH came up
I still blame Yadi for going along with it.
one, i must be hard on him in general
two, his greatest moment was when he thought twice about a bad decision and guided Waino into the greatest pitch of his life so far.
i still think if Yadi hadn’t phoned in the details, Jaime would have had that sliver of support he needed, when he needed it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
dont know why you mention this still
your point was jaime was mentally shaken up from the passed ball yet he proceeded to get the next two outs
ibb was wrong imo opinion but fransciso does hit for less avg and more power…i think tony just thought ruiz was more of a clutch hitter
by guillermozeliak on Oct 4, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
uh, because it's a new thread?
and… uhm… I don’t know, it brings up the point in a different way?
does it upset you to read it ?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no its a very weak argument
he got the next two outs
by guillermozeliak on Oct 4, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
and even if that's true, there's no score.
there was one more out to go, right? why do they suddenly think the catcher is going to beat out a ball in the infield? oh, wait, there’s a guy in scoring position. he wasn’t there before, I wonder how that happened.
this is why I hardly get into baseball discussions on here. MLB is never going to put up the video of the entire sequence, where I have ample proof of what I’m talking about. instead everyone’s going to point at the box score and just ignore the actual events of the game.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I believe it's a promo for Conan
on after the games tonight.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
but this stuff is real conducive to discussion
this is why I hardly get into baseball discussions on here […] everyone’s going to point at the box score and just ignore the actual events of the game.
pj, I have a feeling you didn't even read where this began, which was not on this thread.
not that it ever seems to matter to you? so.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're right,
but i don’t think it affects the usefulness of this kind of fallacious rhetoric.
telling people that they are “ignoring the actual events of the game” is not a very strategy to get them to accept your opinion
pj, if you're going to butt into something that you have no context about, calling someone butthurt and using fallacious rhetoric is odd to say the least.
I put up my arguments elsewhere. instead of disagreeing, he’s insisting it’s a weak argument by bringing up something that has nothing to do with what I was saying, in that it was after what I pointed out. what part of that is not ignoring the game?
if you’re confused, just ask straight up. you don’t have to additionally point out the many ways the other person is stupid with several levels of snark.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we can play
pj, if you’re going to butt into something that you have no context about, calling someone butthurt and using fallacious rhetoric is odd to say the least.
i called you butthurt because you reacted defensively to rather a innocuous comment. calling you butthurt is also not the entirety of my post. i reiterated that there was no reason for you to be butthurt. if you’re offended by the use of the word “butthurt,” perhaps i should try and use the word “offended” instead of “butthurt” in the future. no guarantees.
and i don’t see any reason to defend calling the above quote fallacious. everyone else on here has a generally easy time discussing baseball, yet you’re unable to because of everyone else. someone said something in here the other day (or maybe several months ago, who knows) about if you met on asshole today, he was probably an asshole, but if you met three assholes today, well, maybe you’re the asshole. i’m not calling you an asshole, by the way, i’m trusting you can extract my meaning.
I put up my arguments elsewhere. instead of disagreeing, he’s insisting it’s a weak argument by bringing up something that has nothing to do with what I was saying, in that it was after what I pointed out. what part of that is not ignoring the game?
i don’t see how misrepresenting/misunderstanding an argument is an indicator of “ignoring the game.” if his post — which made pretty good sense to me — has nothing to do with your argument, why not point out how it’s irrelevant to your argument rather than accusing him of ignoring the facts of the game?
if you’re confused, just ask straight up. you don’t have to additionally point out the many ways the other person is stupid with several levels of snark.
the juxtaposition of these two statements has to at least be considered amusing if not ironic. but to sift through the sarcasm, i wasn’t confused at all. i wasn’t even taking issue with what you were arguing — as stated, i don’t even know what you were arguing. i was just taking issue with comments like “[ignoring] the actual events of the game”
and to reiterate, i think everything i’ve said so far has been rather innocuous. certainly nothing most people would be *ahem* offended by
and really
it’s not even “ignoring the facts of the game” that’s such the problem. it’s more the implication that “it’s people like you that are the reason i don’t even talk about baseball here”
what use does a statement like that have?
well, that's nice. 'cause i'll just leave it and talk about things other than baseball.
I’ll see you next time you complain no one has baseball discussions anymore.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
butthurt much?
i didn’t say anything to discourage you from talking about baseball. i genuinely don’t know what you’re saying
I agree completely
Jaime has problems when things don’t go his way. It’s been documented all year. If you watch the post game interview, when he is asked about intentionally walking Ruiz he legitimately sounds pissed that larussa called for it. You can’t pull that on him given his mentality currently and Tony should have known that. It’s happened multiple times this year.
"And that youngster will leave the stadium with a souvenir today. Not a ball, but a nice looking bruise."- Mike Shannon
by wizard11 on Oct 5, 2011 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this sports psychology stuff is all a little too speculative and unverfiable
to draw conclusions from.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
But only if TLR were not the manager AND the Rasmus trade hadn't happened.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I knew it!
Dirty Rotten TLR
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
also, seriously?
you wanted to pull the guy who was absolutely dominating the phillies until that pitch that lost the game? i’m calling bullshit. this is hindsight managing of the worst variety
what did he have like 80 pitches too?
by guillermozeliak on Oct 4, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
and i think victorino was the third hit he had surrendered all game
i don’t really get or agree with the IBB, but sometimes the best team in baseball just beats you
I didn't get to watch the game
and only got to listen to bits and pieces of it, but what I remembering hearing was a chopper for a single and a couple of ground ball base hits. I don’t think Jaime should have been pulled, but I do think it was a mistake to IBB Chooch
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yeah
he just hung a pitch to francisco. he kind of unraveled after that, but there was nothing to indicate he need to be pulled up to that point
I'm gonna go ahead and concur with you ... however by being nothing to indicate
Does not negate a possibility that Tony is alternately flipping over managing with under managing to fuck with folks so he can later point it out to the management and say see, right there, now which do you prefer?
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem to me is psychological
you don’t tell him he’s losing it
and can’t get this guy because he got some hits against us whenever
it has to hurt
especially since jaime has had some problems of this ilk this year
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
he seemed to be okay with striking out ryan howard
immediately being told the he couldn’t get hunter pence
He had great history with him though
That was more showing confidence in him against Howard than lack of confidence in any regard. Different scrnario
"And that youngster will leave the stadium with a souvenir today. Not a ball, but a nice looking bruise."- Mike Shannon
by wizard11 on Oct 5, 2011 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think they should have pulled him mid-inning
But I do think they should have pinch hit for him.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
when he was at 70 pitches through 6 innings?
but then if the bullpen gives up runs the next inning, the loss is totally on TLR
The bullpen is rested, and very good
Any of Motte, Salas, Dotel, Rzep would have been a better bet to pitch a scoreless inning than Jaime. And, of course, any of our pitch hitters would have been a better bit to get a hit in the 6th.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with the odd number sentences
but i don’t agree that that rationalizes pulling jaime when he’s cruising in the sixth
i don’t buy sentence # 23
You don't buy the second sentence?
Let’s see, Jaime has an xFIP of 3.31. Dotel, Lynn and Rzep each have better marks than that and Motte and Salas are not far behind.
Also, Jaime was facing the Phillies the third time around, so he’s at a further disadvantage to the relievers who get to come in unsullied. I think it’s not really debateable that the bullpen is usually going to be better than your starting pitcher after 6 innings.
So if you accept that the bullpen is better than Jaime, and the pinch hitter is better than Jaime, than you have to accept that the right move would be to pull Jaime.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i also don't agree that xFIP is a great way to compare
a SP with a 200 inning sample and a reliever with 40 innings
i also don’t think that tonight’s game was a vacuum. it was plainly visible that jaime was cruising
this. and his pitch count was very low.
the worst move of the game was IBB’ing ruiz and it isn’t even close.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 4, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That Jaime was cruising does not really mean much predictively
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not trying to statistically project his performance
i’m trying to manage one appearance. according to your logic, no pitchers should ever pitch beyond the sixth inning
You are trying to predict his performance
Your trying to predict how well he will do in the next inning and then compare that with your other options.
In the regular season, you need to save your pen – that’s why pitchers eat up more innings.
But in the playoffs, there is really no reason why a pitcher should stay in much longer than 6 innings – especially if his spot comes up in an important offensive situation.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i am trying to predict how he will do next
but i’m not basing my predictions on the assumption that jaime garcia is a random number generator, where the numbers are randomly selected from various sets and that he was moving into the set the with the worse number and beginning to randomly select from that set. he was cruising. he was eating up the phillies’ hitters.
if you think trying to score there was right move, that’s great. but you’re not going to convince me that removing garcia for dotel or salas was the right move at the time
I'm not basing my predictions on the assumption that Jaime is a random number generator
I’m saying that Jaime was pitching very well, but that really doesn’t say anything about how well he’d continue to pitch. I did a whole series of articles on THT dancing around that point. A lot of what happens to pitchers is just bad luck (Fransisco hitting a home run instead of a fly out is a good example of bad luck), and in that sense they are somewhat like random number generators.
I think that they should have left Jaime if there was a DH, because there isn’t much difference between him and Salas in the 7th and its fun to see a pitcher cruise. But when his spot in the batting order came up in a high leverage situation, you have to take Jaime out.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I'm saying you should
And I gave you reasons why. Jaime, like all starting pitchers, gets worse as the game goes by:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=garcija02&year=Career&t=p#innng
At the beginning of the game, Jaime is probably as good or better than the relievers, but towards the end, there is no way.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
jaime garcia, on october 4, 2011, was not an average
he was a person pitching very well. there was no need to introduce more pitchers when the hitters clearly couldn’t figure out garcia
Well no, they hadn't figured out Jaime
I disagree with the notion that that is predictive even for later in the game.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Dominant through six
NOT dominant in the 7th, from the very beginning – starting with not finding the strike zone against Victorino. He was not pitching well int he seventh and made many more than ONE bad pitches in that inning. I’m not saying TLR HAD to take him out, but I’m just suprised. They usually take him out at first sign of trouble, and there were plenty signs of trouble leading up to the BF at bat.
by PhillyRedbird on Oct 5, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
BFF
New meaning for that now, as in “after last night, BFF is not my BFF”
by PhillyRedbird on Oct 5, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
(found it) - I'm feeling very Cajun today!
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
(this is for Ryan Theriot)
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Oct 4, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he not know how to clap before he saw everyone else doing it?
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a symbol of his reluctance and then his eventual candid appreciation.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Damn,
he acted the hell out of that.
(I’m probably making fun of some epic classic that I don’t recognize)
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the Cajun thing...
I’m guessing Waterboy.
(Which I’ve never seen.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
probably a commerical in Europe
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Cool Runnings.
The guy is the “villain” of the film, John Candy’s rival who tried to keep the Jamaican team out of the Olympics. I substituted Cajun for Olympic.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Oct 4, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds meo
Of when the Russians start cheering for rocky
"And that youngster will leave the stadium with a souvenir today. Not a ball, but a nice looking bruise."- Mike Shannon
by wizard11 on Oct 5, 2011 12:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, some of them are Russians,
but they’re cheering for Jamaicans.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Oct 5, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I promised my biggest fan a HR tonight
The real Aaron Hill better deliver!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
We will win tomorrow
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 4, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Tomorrow's SP Matchup
Jackson: 6.67 K/9, 2.79 BB/9, 3.79 ERA, 3.55 FIP, 3.73 xFIP
Oswalt: 6.02 K/9, 2.14 BB/9, 3.69 ERA, 3.44 FIP, 3.95 xFIP
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wow, somehow my head made Oswalt out to be a lot more intimidating than that.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Oct 4, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Our last matchup be partially responsible
7 IP 5 H 0 R 0 ER 0 BB 7 K
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201109170.shtml
Still not a werewolf.
last time he pitched in the playoffs in STL he shut them down & closed Busch II
i expect the same tomorrow
Balls
C'mon man.
You know better than to post this type of political stuff, even if it is Schlafly beer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sorry, didn't think it would be a problem.
The President is visiting St. Louis and this is beer Schlafly is making for the occasion.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand all of that.
It’s just that this can easily shift into another discussion entirely.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I honestly didn't mean to offend.
Please delete it.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you didn't.
And I don’t think that you offended anyone. I’m just trying to nip a political discussion in the bud.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Beer can do more wrong
I am offended by the concept of removing beer
"And that youngster will leave the stadium with a souvenir today. Not a ball, but a nice looking bruise."- Mike Shannon
by wizard11 on Oct 5, 2011 12:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What is the significance of this TC?
In two minute you are going to be drinking these appealing beverages? Or am I missing some meme or something?
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not get into this, please.
Politics and all that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well then as everyone else seems to be scared shitless of bgh (not saying I'm not mind you)
I’ll absolve myself from all guilt and association with these comments due to the fact that i wasn’t even getting what the heck was going on since i have Noscript protecting my eyes and computer from virus’s and setch, so all I saw was beer bottles. See earlier reply re: drinking beer in short order.
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone see that granderson catch?
holy
shit
by guillermozeliak on Oct 4, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
meant very timely change of topic. See above (said with much humor bgh)
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
didnt notice
i’m just glad i got my free octoberfest mug at the rams game!
o wait….thats why we lost dick stockton!…“on a day when the rams fall on sunday to the redskins by 1 touchdown the cardinals lose by 1 run”
how unlucky are we to draw dick stockton and the yanks/tigers get darling and smoltz!
by guillermozeliak on Oct 4, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not luck.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Either you totally got me or I'm completely lost by what you are talking about
Either way cool you got an Oktoberfest mug! Being serious not sarcastic.
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
no no
your good….i didnt get you…(i wasnt reading the above comments until you mentioned it, thats what i meant)
by guillermozeliak on Oct 4, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I did
someone needs to splice that over Schumaker sliding into first and explain to him the difference between diving into first and laying out for a catch.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
They could just use the play Skip made in CF
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
actually grandyman's catch was a much better example
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
But but
finally you have to do something with them. What? What I ask you?
by hangingfromatree on Oct 4, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, that's your problem
i’m not the one with a bunch of bags of shit laying around
by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's fine.
But also
A sharp kick to the avocadoswould have been acceptable here.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
The sharp kick to the avocados
was Francisco’s homer. The whole thing is shitbags.
by hangingfromatree on Oct 4, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
Thanks for the hierarchy clarification.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Figures A.J. Burnett would decide now was the time to get outs.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
snap
“It’s tough but we can’t do anything about it,” said first baseman Albert Pujols, who went 4-for-5 with three doubles. "We’ve been talking all year long and there’s nothing you can do about it. Maybe if we were the New York Yankees maybe we would have played an 8 o’clock game today.
The shadows suck/we get no attention double play
Impressive
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 4, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sitting in the bleachers sucked
Until the 6th when I could finally see. Lucky to be there, but understood why outfieldera were having trouble locating popups
"And that youngster will leave the stadium with a souvenir today. Not a ball, but a nice looking bruise."- Mike Shannon
by wizard11 on Oct 5, 2011 12:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reposting from previous thread: let me know if you want tickets to Game 4.
Guy who was taking them can’t go, so I’ve got two. Just looking to get back what I paid for them, not turn a profit.
I'm already going to game 4 but you may help your chances if you divulge seat location and price
At least on this thread if you’ve already done so
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 4, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The Wheels Have Come Off For Detroit.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
I like to think this means we have a chance.
If the Yankees can come back with AJ Burnett, we can surely ride Jackson to a Game Four victory.
Still not a werewolf.
I'm not overly impressed with the Phillies, myself.
i’m quite certain we can take them.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I do believe we can make it to Game 5.
Beating Halladay, however, is a whole ’nother story
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.6, Boog = 2.6 as of Sept 28
Bilingual Twitter
Just need the chance.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
we sure can take them
out to Olive Garden
oh you mean beat them in a series? oh no, no we cannot do that
Balls
sure we can
we hit Halladay, we hit Lee. We proved they’re human. The odds are against us but it we’ve got a good shot, i think.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
@TortyCraig absolutely deserves all 10,000+ of his followers.
One of the most enjoyable accounts I follow.
Still not a werewolf.
that bgh is a genius
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's supposed to be (at least not all the time)
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
i should state that this is music
if there is a well established record of you not liking the same music as me, i would not anticipate you liking it
otherwise, carry on!
That sounds like the kid that sang
All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately, I can't find the original to link to.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the one
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
this is dank as hell
"I'm gonna get a Coors and a shot tomorrow and I hope I'll be ready."
-Matt Holliday misheard by me
"I do have a tortoise back home, he's in the back yard, he brings us good luck, and we're gonna roll with it."
-Allen Craig
It's well past midnight
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Oct 5, 2011 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
here's a small present to kill your computer
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Oct 5, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this makes me angry because the DBags let their rookie first baseman play while the Giants mishandled Brandon Belt so badly that he had a terrible year. Schmitty has become the anti-Belt at McCovey Chronicles.
I also blame Motte for breaking his wrist back in July!
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
belt looks like he'll be great
his batspeed made me do a double-take the first time I watched him swing.
Belt’s swing looks totally effortless. He ‘belted’ one into the cove during the 2nd to last game of the season. I’ve never seen such a short follow-through from a hitter with so much power.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19740357
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
I will give all of you an advice
Do NOT drive after watching your favorite game lose a postseason game. I was so pissed off (and late) I nearly drive over or into or at people, trees, posts, etc.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.6, Boog = 2.6 as of Sept 28
Bilingual Twitter
Damn, sounds like you had a worse day than I did.
And I lost one of my biggest clients today.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
damn, that sux
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it does.
But 14 years in IT is a loooong time. I’m being replaced by multiple people. Oddly proud of that.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Computer infrastructury type stuff.
Servers, switches, Internet, etc.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, lame IT story.
Was working at a local bank, got a call from one of the older VPs that he couldn’t log in. Said he had tried and tried. So I go over to his desk and ask him to try to login. He puts in his username, then starts typing his numeric password on the phone sitting next to his keyboard.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 4, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hah, that's hilarious.
There was once this really dumb girl in my college and one day she comes up to me angry as hell because “I had ruined her internet”. She ranted for like five minutes about how I had to buy her a new one because of it. I asked her if I could take a look at the laptop. While grinning, I turned the WiFi back on and handed it back.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.6, Boog = 2.6 as of Sept 28
Bilingual Twitter
one of my uncles has gone thru that
he was a mainframe programmer and had to relearn everything for PC networks.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was really fortunate and got in right at the beginning of PC LANs.
I still have another client, so I’m fine. My knowledge is up to date, so hopefully I can fill the other hours too.
Doing an entire platform shift all at once sounds both scary and like a big pain in the ass.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 5, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You're not going to pick up a night shift at the convenience store and abandon Late Night, right?
Still not a werewolf.
Heh, actually this is the client that generally kept me away from Late Night
on Tues and Wed. I’m pretty far from needing to take a job like that, but I would if it came down to it.
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by The Continental on Oct 5, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I also was so distracted by the game
that I didn’t study for my Legislation exam and… Well, let’s just say I lost my airtight seal somewhere.
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But your day sounds worse
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no worries. also, never apologize, i'm just here to hand out brownies & bust chops
and i’m all outta brownies
Balls
by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, actually
a 1988 movie called “They Live”. WTF?
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heh
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I think you mean 'rowdy' roddy piper
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmm
stealing third with a six run lead?
The little faux snake strike with your hand is cute too
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
"I'm gonna get a Coors and a shot tomorrow and I hope I'll be ready."
-Matt Holliday misheard by me
"I do have a tortoise back home, he's in the back yard, he brings us good luck, and we're gonna roll with it."
-Allen Craig
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
"I'm gonna get a Coors and a shot tomorrow and I hope I'll be ready."
-Matt Holliday misheard by me
"I do have a tortoise back home, he's in the back yard, he brings us good luck, and we're gonna roll with it."
-Allen Craig
Were I a betting man, I'd bet Cardinals tomorrow.
Even pitching match-up, home field, and probably a better offense.
I KNOW I'm not the ONLY one thinking this thought, & I know it's probably wrong....
But, was anyone else praying that Craig was gonna keep the bat on his shoulder in the 8th w/the bases loaded & 1 out. There were a lot of scenarios that could’ve happened in that situation & the absolute worst one came to fruition on the double play…the question is, w/1 out & one of the best hitters in recent history of the game on deck, I think I’d rather take 2 down & APU @ the plate in that situation. Think of it this way, if anyone were to ask u, in the last 10 yrs or so, who u would want @ the plate in that situation, I’m pretty sure the answer wouldn’t be Allen Craig. But how do u ask a guy to not be the hero w/o killing his confidence?
i was.
i know this is sabermetrically the “wrong” move, but fuck, it kills me to see Albert not hit there. but you can’t ask him to do that. you just absolutely cannot, and therein lies the problem. if he’s gonna do it, it has to be on his own.
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-Allen Craig
no.
there is a higher probability of scoring a run with bases loaded one out than with bases loaded and two out, no matter who the batters are.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 4, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Craig has been hitting the ball hard.
He killed that ball. It just happened to be at Chase Utley.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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I understand where you're coming from
but if Craig had a chance to drive some runs in himself, he should’ve taken it. And so he did. Believe me, that GIDP pissed me off to the point that certain objects around me flew all over the room. But I cannot blame Craig too much. He annihilated that ball but BABIP prevailed.
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finally got around to cropping this
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Am I the only one that thinks you were already corrupted before RiverRat?
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 5, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
the intentional walks to pence and ruiz were terrible moves
one worked, one didn’t.
i was able to go to my first playoff game ever, and it was awesome. saw a couple torty signs.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 5, 2011 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
the walk to pence is one of the more palatable IBB moves
howard is almost an automatic out against garcia
ehhhh
matchup wise it makes some sense, but I don’t like the idea of putting an additional runner on for ryan howard in a tie game.
the ruiz walk was a far worse decision. ruiz is bad, and there is really no reason to walk him to get to an unknown pinch hitter.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 5, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
i took a few, i'll post them tonight maybe.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 5, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
There were a couple in 597 were I was sitting
Were you around there?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 5, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
LOBster dog will ward off evil LOBsters in our next game
Anyway, we’re still putting runners on base, and I’m confident we’ll drive ‘em in next time. I’m setting up a friday watch party, because that game’s happening.
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no worries. and never apologies for funny movie quotes
i should have picked up on it, but i’ve never seen elf
Balls
yes, we will see Halladay on Friday for game 5
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
We will win tomorrow.
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
the grounds crew is to blame for the loss
chasing the rally squirrel off the field.
get some runs
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That was actually hilarious
I was surrounded by drunk fans and they were mesmerized by the squirrel.
"And that youngster will leave the stadium with a souvenir today. Not a ball, but a nice looking bruise."- Mike Shannon
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The rally squirrel was awesome but it was probably scared to death
I"m surprised it didn’t have a heart attack on the field
bollocks
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that's brilliant
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
my cousin who reads VEB but hasn't commented in years
thinks we are too hung up on the team winning the way we want them to win, and because of that many of us can’t enjoy the games & the wins. we says we are too hard on TLR (he’s hated him since 97 BTW) & need to let Colby go.
he may have a point. i’m not enjoying any of this. but i thought it was just because i’m a miserabley depressed jerky jerk face.
thoughts?
Balls
I do agree that we are too hard on TLR.
I personally despise the guy and I’m so ready to see him retire or leave STL. But we, as fans, protect the players too much and tend to criticize TLR from the get-go.
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i speak only for myself, but i can't get over him playing favorites & all the bad moves
it’s gotten to the point anything he does i hate just because it’s him & he’s pissed me off so much i just can’t take anything he does anymore.
Balls
I agree with him, for the most part
Over 2/3rds of fans are sitting home right now with nothing to cheer. We’ve got a chance, and as long as we do we’ve got something to cheer.
October baseball is a lot of fun, no matter the outcome.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
my feelings on Colby and TLR are more nuanced however
to reduce them to their most basic level, though, I think TLR is a tolerable but not good manager that’s grown stale and needs to go, and that the main problem with the resolution of the Colby situation was not that he was traded, but rather how it was approached/carried out and who he was traded for.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
dead on
the main problem with the resolution of the Colby situation was not that he was traded, but rather how it was approached/carried out and who he was traded for.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, while I'm calling the trade a failure, and I recognize that I don't know any of the intricacies of the situation,
I’m still surprised we couldn’t get more.
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what else would you call it?
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Well, I am of the opinion it helped us get to the playoffs (I know there are counter-arguments).
Also, I want to see what we get out of the PTBNL’s and the draft from letting Jackson go. Then I want to see how they develop. I lack the knowledge of A) the game, and B) the trade market to call the trade a failure at this point.
Basically, while initially disappointed, I’m not going to call it anything for the time being.
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it appears if they were going to trade him, they traded him a year late
in 2010 he could have help get Halliday instead of a Jackson/Scrabble combo
Balls
Maybe not about letting Colby go. I just don't know about that.
But yeah, the rest of it. I don’t love Tony, but I think he’s still around average for a manager, and more interesting than most. We won 90 games with a prolific offense, and there was a lot of misery on VEB.
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i've never really noticed the misery, in fact i've got out of my way this year to hide mine
i don’t want to be a buzz kill & only talk about how much everything & everyone sucks. which is one reason why i’ve cut back on the comments, i just haven’t had a lot of good to say so instead of alienating people i’ve held back
Balls
Yeah, not you. You haven't been around much during the season.
I’m a big gamethreader, and when things start going poorly the comments turn to shit really fast. We hate certain players, we hate coaching decisions, we hate certain decisions by Mo, etc. I don’t know. We had a flawed, but highly entertaining team, and fuck it. I love watching baseball! It’s a pleasure to watch a game, and I just don’t enjoy watching it with an eye for criticizing. I’m not a baseball critic; I’m a baseball enthusiast.
I definitely don’t begrudge anyone for their perspective… I just don’t get it. At all. And it makes things not so fun around here at times for people like me.
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With sports teams you want to feel as though the team has its self interests at heart
If there is someone, like Tony, forcing trades of your favorite players for political reasons, you are not going to be happy with the season.
I guess you could just be happy for the end result, but that’s a pretty nihilistic way of looking at it.
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I guess it's a matter of perspective.
I’m less-invested in understanding baseball’s intricacies than most here. Because of that, I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Tony and Mo. If I’m less critical, it’s because I don’t claim to know better (and I don’t mean this as snark at people that think they do. Maybe they do. I don’t).
Also, my days are pretty hard. It wears me out chasing my kid all day (as much as I love it), and I watch the game to unwind. If Tony makes a move I think is egregiously bad, I’ll get frustrated for 10 seconds,have another sip of my drink, and then see what happens.
Finally, I read the famous “emotional investment” fanpost from before my time. While I’m buzzing with excitement when the team does well, I’m pretty good at shrugging off disappointment when it doesn’t.
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This describes my viewpoint very well.
Except I’m chasing maths all day, not a kid.
Also, my drink is usually tea.
Still not a werewolf.
but that's the thing. You have to let them go.
There’s absolutely nothing you can do about them. If you’re able to let them go, you can enjoy watching baseball. You can enjoy the snap of a curve, the brilliant defensive play, the nasty line-drive. You can enjoy Theriot rolling the ball or Hunter Pence trying to catch a fly-ball. It’s all pretty fantastic, IMO. If you can’t let those decisions go, you just won’t be able to enjoy it. I don’t know if there’s a franchise or manager that doesn’t make bad decisions at least some of the time. It’s the nature of the thing.
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Dude's been clutch!
Wilson, Marmol twice, most of the last month, game 2 against the Phils! And decent defensively at 2nd!
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i just can't forgive him for his play in the 1st half
also he stinks of exflubness & that will never go away
Balls
eh, I have a soft spot for him mostly because he's so reviled.
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i generally pull for the underdog as well
but something about him has never set right with me. everything else aside i’ve just never liked him.
Balls
he drove the ryan theriot bandwagon all the way from hated-by-veb
to grudgingly-accepted-by-veb, all the way back to hated-by-veb again.
sure 'nuff.
I eventually grew weary of his company, but I followed him in secret, looking after him and sniping completely unfair comments from the mountains, unseen.
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Yeah, I can completely see where you are coming from
I actually think I’m pretty neutral in the game threads. Rarely do I ever get pissed at something Tony does. I really see games as just a melting pot of random events, so I don’t get too worked up over decisions.
What I’m talking about is with front office decisions – trades, signings, etc. That’s where I get really opinionated on the issues – and I think of that as a separate issue from the games.
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That makes a lot of sense to me.
I was really upset about the Colby trade at first, but this late-season run pretty much made me forget about it. For now, anyway.
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i miss the game threads, they are a lot of fun
they are a big mess of emotions though. when they’re good they’re great. but when they’re bad, they’re real baaaad
Balls
And when they are bad, they get good
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when they are bad, sometimes they get funny.
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if you miss them, why don't you just post in them
do you have other obligations you’re not telling us about?
i can never find a good stream & i hate watching games on this little lap top anway
sports are meant to be watched on a big TV, and if i can’t do that, i’d really rather not watch them at all
Balls
like June, July & August of this year
even if i could i doubt i would have watched much the middle of the season. they were just giving away games
Balls
Yeah, and I still ENJOYED watching those games.
I guess that’s the difference between me and many here. And again, I’m not judging. I just watch differently.
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i expect & demand perfection from my favorite team, anything less is unacceptable
perhaps most here feel the same
Balls
That's a rough way to go through life, man.
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yep, though in large i think we enjoy the games and wins. some people are just hypercritical or pessimistic
and comment more gdm’s cousin
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by YesWeOquendo on Oct 5, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
he doesn't have time. he's pretty busy with two young kids & work
i’m surprised he still reads the comments. oh the stories he could tell on me though. heh, i’m glad he’s just a lurker. even it lurking creeps me out
Balls
I'm sure this comes across in my writing (I hope?)
but I don’t really get pissed off about baseball anymore. It’s fun when they win and it’s too bad when they lose.
Well, that's too bad. When I left for work tonight, I thought we were in really good shape.
I’m super excited to go to the game tomorrow, and I like our odds still, but I’m very satisfied with our season even if we lose. This has been a wonderful season, in my opinion.
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I agree
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks, Lance MF Berkman.
This season wouldn’t have been nearly as enjoyable if it weren’t for him, both on and off the field.
Top 5 (current) Cardinals, easily.
Hell, top 3.
Still not a werewolf.
yeah, I love me some berkman
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i don't want to be all season summary-ish
but there were a ton of positives to look back on. the emergence of allen craig, career year for yadi, jaime looks to be like everything we could have hoped for, all things lance berkman, a noncripeling chris carpenter extension, lohse having an all around solid year
i’m excited for 2012
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So excited for 2012 too
Our bullpen looks like it could be very solid, Waino comes back, hopefully a different SS and 2B.
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and Albert still finding time to single-handedly defeat the Cubs twice in a row
despite a slump year.
Still not a werewolf.
Definitely.
I’m thrilled for this year, and I’m excited to look ahead.
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yeah
i fully expected to just go through the motions in september and have this time to focus on school, but i have to tests tomorrow that i’m not prepared for! it’s been great
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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so what are you doing now to look cool?
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Wear sunglasses. Always.
Wear a second pair of glasses in your head.
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and keep one in your shirt
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Oh, it's just Saint Louisan and suave SOB
Jon Hamm everyone.
#FireTLR
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Famous, but Naomi Shahib Nye
The river is famous to the fish.
The loud voice is famous to silence,
which knew it would inherit the earth
before anybody said so.
The cat sleeping on the fence is famous to the birds
watching him from the birdhouse.
The tear is famous, briefly, to the cheek.
The idea you carry close to your bosom
is famous to your bosom.
The boot is famous to the earth,
more famous than the dress shoe,
which is famous only to floors.
The bent photograph is famous to the one who carries it
and not at all famous to the one who is pictured.
I want to be famous to shuffling men
who smile while crossing streets,
sticky children in grocery lines,
famous as the one who smiled back.
I want to be famous in the way a pulley is famous,
or a buttonhole, not because it did anything spectacular,
but because it never forgot what it could do.
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I don't know.
One of the more Saint Louis-y Saint Louisans probably does.
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heh, yeah, i've probably eaten 500 boxes of those
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are they like the cheese goldfish that only babies get to eat because they are like the crack rock?
Balls
no, they've been around for awhile
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This is not happening to me
But based on this tip, I discovered that I passed my 10,000th comment on VEB today.
STILL NOT RID OF ME YET, BITCHES.
Still not a werewolf.
sounds like a signature
the werewolf thing doesn’t seem to be going so well
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I have way too many posts considering how short a time I've been here.
Everytime I think of it, I sigh a little. I wonder why. A little.
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I like her!
How did you come across her work?
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from the obsessive imagist
(it’s a blog)
Here’s the artist’s site
Her waterway series is my favorite
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Yeah, I found her website from her name and thought the waterway series looked like your avatar.
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Is the dark too unclank?
Oh look, I’m talking to myself again
probably a werewolf.
by clankbot on Oct 5, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not that the avatar matters on the seldom used puppet account
But this one, or the first?
Still not a werewolf.
I like the original.
Its aridity contrasts nicely against the fluvial nature of the original.
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when I sneak in an addition puppet account
I will bestow clankbot’s latest avatar upon it.
But no really, clankbot had benign beginnings. Now the bot’s only used to rec The Continental and tom s. late night posts that get no love.
Still not a werewolf.
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i like the old one, because it feels very different from human clank's.
This one is closer.
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also, you're often around in game thread and Late Night
And those two are the easiest way to rack up a ton of comments quickly.
Still not a werewolf.
yeah, I don't know. It just feels a little embarrassing. Also, I need to spend some of my VEB time reading other things.
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I think I'm probably #1 on the rate stat!
I’m not judging quietly or loudly.
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look below. And feel free to check out others' profiles.
You will find this is not so.
Still not a werewolf.
eh, well. I dunno. My own insecurities should not be construed as judgment!
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holy crap i have over 25,000 comments here
still can’t pass the king though (gdm).
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Wow. He's been here since '09!
That’s 20000 comments a year…
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I'm just now barely
over 5000. I don’t participate nearly enough apparently.
Or die trying.
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however, the quality to quantity ratio is enormously different for both of you
than it is for me.
Still not a werewolf.
there are worse jobs to have while going through grad school
but it’s meant less and less time for fiction, which is the whole point of going through grad school.
i thought the point of grad school was putting off joining the real world as long as possible?
Balls
You can write baseball fiction
In fact, you often write baseball fiction.
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one of my favorite of my stories (and one of the ones that gets the most encouraging rejections)
is basically about gary daley. but mostly I write about nerds.
kind of
my classmates are great writers and excellent workshop partners and generally good people, and the MFA faculty is good, but the program is dangerously underfunded and doesn’t seem to realize it. so we’ve taken a nosedive in the rankings, and their response, rather than going after more funding or downsizing, has been to criticize the rankings as being in it for the money. the english department as a whole kind of sucks, but it’s an english department, so there’s not much to be done about that.
I feel like my writing has improved a lot, so overall I can’t complain.
As long as you're getting the room to work, and your work is improving,
hopefully it’s worthwhile for you. Do you want to teach at all, or do you want to make your living as a writer?
I’ve gotten some pretty good feedback on my writing, and I’m kicking around the idea of doing an MFA a couple years down the road when my wife is in her residency. Fortunately, I’m not terribly ambitious, and getting some impetus to work on my writing while getting to TA a bit would probably be all I need to get out of it for it to be worthwhile.
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I'd love to teach or make my living as a writer
but (I’m sure you know) given the market for both I’m not sure I’ll be able to do either one; given the glut of MFAs in the system it seems like you have to have a book or two before you’re even a candidate for a long-term position. since I want to write books anyway, I guess I’ll work on that and then see what happens. in the near-term I’m hoping to get an assistantship next year, but I’ll be teaching a section of undergrad creative writing regardless, which is exciting.
as for the MFA, there’s something almost startlingly true about what I always thought was kind of a meaningless MFA platitude—that when you’re around other writers all the time, and writing is valued, you think about it constantly. and that’s been one of the major perks for me. it’s definitely worth considering, especially if you’ve done a workshop before and enjoyed the process. if you ever do apply and need another look at your portfolio, let me know.
just typing the word porfolio still puts me into a cold sweat
I don’t recommend applying to 14 programs.
you could write a series of books about my life
then we could turn them into a TV series & then a successful movie franchise. stranger things have happened dan
well, maybe not.
Balls
Thanks for the offer.
Yeah, I was in the advanced undergrad/intro grad poetry workshop last year, and really enjoyed it. I wrote more in those 5 months than I have in the year since.
Good luck in that market. They’re hard to get, but the jobs are out there, if in insufficient quantity.
Do you have any thoughts about teaching high school as a back-up plan? It’s a soul-consuming job, but not without its rewards.
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I've thought about high school
the process of becoming accredited to teach there is a total mystery to me, though.
right now I think immediately post-mfa I’ll keep doing the minimum-wage sportswriting thing while trying to get the novel I’ll hopefully have finished for the thesis into the hands of a literary agent. but that’s as far as I’ve planned ahead.
Sure, you don't need a firm plan right now.
Keep on with your artistic ambitions as long as you possibly can, and hopefully they’ll lead you to a living somewhere.
Getting a teaching certificate is very easy, but generally takes one to two years.
Let me know if you ever have any questions about that process, or about teaching H.S..
My mid-season predictions contest RESULTS
See if you won!
Don't let the sad ones deter you
Your fiction is the biggest reason I started reading VEB regularly. I started lurking right around your instatement, and was floored.
Still not a werewolf.
Trust me,
real life has nothing to do with how often I do or do not comment on a website…
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll rec this
also, have you seen “eden of the east”? I streamed the series on netflix the other day and I really enjoyed it a lot. I’m holding off on the movies until I can pay attention to them.
I have not.
I’ve heard good things, but haven’t had a chance to check it out as of yet. I shall do so as soon as I can find the opportunity.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
So, since the game is on a weekday afternoon, and it'll be really busy downtown,
where on earth should I park tomorrow?
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it's also going to cost at least 5 grand
and i don’t know if i’ll get a scholarship or not yet. but i think i will
so if some dude no one's ever heard of Ben freaking Francisco wins it today for Philly
who wins it for the Cards tomorrow?
Craig?
Adron?
Balls
Pujols,
it’s cliche but the dude looks to be getting his early september magic back!
Die Hard Cards Fan in Seoul.
by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 5, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we are going to see a pissed off must-win cards team tomorrow.
I’m seriously thinking a score of like 9-3. Maybe I’m a huge optimist but i just really feel it. As long as Jackson can keep us in the game we are good to go.
Die Hard Cards Fan in Seoul.
by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 5, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
haha, yeah!
i’m feeling it. I don’t know maybe my heart will be crushed. I know that statistically i can’t prove any of it but i just feel that through this year this team does best with its backs against the wall, another cliche nonetheless but we’ll see. Roy Oswalt is no Halladay and people are really freaking out about him pitching. Cards get on the board early tomorrow and never lose the lead.
Die Hard Cards Fan in Seoul.
by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 5, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
LIES!
I can guarantee you that the only one being raped is Royboy tomorrow.
Die Hard Cards Fan in Seoul.
by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 5, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
All of this account switching reminds me,
how am I not yet banned from the Crawfish Boxes?
Still not a werewolf.
What was their response over there? Was there one?
My mid-season predictions contest RESULTS
See if you won!
None at all.
TBender was right.
Also, I wish Jordan Schafer wasn’t an Astros prospect. I had uneasy feelings about today’s task, thanks to the subject matter at hand.
Still not a werewolf.
He was recently busted for felony-levels of marijuana possession
Also, a minor leaguer of their’s was killed in a car crash today.
It still feels dirty and I think I should undo a few.
Still not a werewolf.
Depends on if we get
EdWinNow or Mr. Jacksuck
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 5, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
How much is Philly paying their rotation again?
That’s the way, pretty much.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 5, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
wow. 67 million for 5 starters.
and next season it’s going to jump several million more.
Still not a werewolf.
Cliff Lee will be making 25 million before Howard.
and Hamels is due for arbitration.
Still not a werewolf.
Edwin Jackson of 2011
is Jeff Suppan of 2005-06. it doesn’t matter if he’s pitching well or not; I would rather watch paint peel.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
it’s like if that jeff suppan had gotten a 95 mph fastball as a gift from the gods of baseball one day, and decided to just keep on pitching exactly as he had before.
Yep.
Pretty much.
Alright, I’m getting ready to write my morning post, and I went to the editorial link, and Gillette will be sponsoring me today. Am I supposed to be writing a pregame post, postgame post, or survey?
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
K.
I wasn’t sure if the morning counted as pregame for Wednesday or postgame for Tuesday because of the order they’re listed in. I assumed pre-, but thought I would inquire directly since you’re around.
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by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, the editorial queue is a bit of a mess
for this particular sponsorship it’s not really a big deal, because so far as I can tell all the gillette banners say the same thing.
I've noticed all the
game threads for the past couple months say something about Gillette sponsoring it. I feel a bit guilty for not using their products at this point if they’ve been paying my salary all this time.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never seen a company advertise about how inferior its own product is quite like gillette does on here
they must be really pissed off that I still use a Mach3.
why doesn't Schick advertise here?
i would think them being owned by the Energizer people they’d be more inclined to advertise here than a bean town razor company
Balls
I think it's
an SBN-wide thing, rather than just a VEB thing. Or at least a baseball-related SBN-wide thing. I could be wrong, though.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
sb nation’s been getting a lot of huge, national ad buys lately. the new tech blog is apparently going to be swaddled in bmw logos.
Hmph.
Well, I suppose it’s a good thing the network is doing so well. I wonder how long before someone decides they should have some sort of input on the content?
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by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
at this point that will be a bad move
the content is why people visit sites. if they change the content, people won’t visit sites
Balls
Alas,
while that makes sense to you and I, that’s not how the companies trying to figure out how to monetize the internet look at it. Go ask someone working for a marketing firm to show you their demographic breakdowns sometime, and prepare to lose all faith in everything everywhere.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I worry about that
so far it hasn’t been an issue, but there are a lot of things we aren’t doing that I’ve been given the chance to—mostly with our ticket hub, which I’ve never actually looked at. I think I get a commission if someone ever uses it, and every few days I get e-mails from the tiqiq people with graphs and fun ticket facts that I could be using.
this thing. it looks like the rendering’s broken, at least in my browser.
that kind of stuff is par for the blog course at this point, and I can’t get too high-horsed about the guys on the network who do it; nobody know how to make writing worth something on the internet at this point, and it’s worth trying different ideas to subsidize the really good work. so long as these editorial suggestions remain suggestions and don’t attempt to change work that’s already being done it is what it is, as a great orator once said.
Okay, I have to ask.
Where did the ‘it is what it is’ meme come from? I’ve seen it a bunch over the past couple weeks, but I didn’t see like a genesis. Usually I can reverse-engineer where a thing came from, even if I don’t see the comment or post where it originated, but this one has me really puzzled. I’m assuming I just missed the thread.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Theriot
Was quoted as saying the Cards were in first place when he was the starting shorstop and he said “it is what it is”.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Oohhh.
The, “when I played shortstop, we were in first place,” thing? Gotcha. Thanks.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
oh wow, did you miss #theriotlogic?
one of my favorite stories of the baseball season. at the nadir of the season theriot said something to the effect of, “When I was starting at shortstop, we were in first place. I know that. It is what it is.”
It led to a great hashtag, which looks to have totally dropped off of twitter’s servers already, and a front-page post where I made an already-dated netflix joke.
I see.
It’s one of those things I largely missed because I refuse to use Twitter. I remember your post about Theriot’s quote, I just didn’t realise it was a big meme on Twitter.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I have an account,
but never use it. Signed up thinking I would jump in and just tweet my little heart out, but never really got around to it.
I thank you for your kind words, though.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
is Theriot actually a good SS?
he seems like a prime Brian Sabean signing for my Giants. well actually, Yuniesky Betancourt seems even more like a Sabes signing…
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
Is it true that the site doesn't make money from the ads if we block them?
My best friends writes for the LA Times, and I disabled my ad blocker because I still believe in newspapers.
Is this rumor true?
Still not a werewolf.
I know more about this from reading a big ars technica article about it than from actually working for sb nation
because I’m paid a flat amount regardless (to a point) of pageviews. but so far as I know page impressions with adblock on or flash disabled are worth much less to a website than normal ones.
ideally this would lead to other ways of monetizing content, but aside from the few newspapers that have set up paywalls people seem afraid to try that.
I think this might be the article I read
right here. I think it came after they briefly blocked people using adblock.
I just finished the article, and then disabled ABP
So THESE are Gillette ads everyone references.
I assume I will now see Joe Mauer at some point.
Still not a werewolf.
I think I remember studes from Hardball Times telling us not to use adblockers
I know whenever I visit the site, I click on a few adds.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I don't use adblock
software for the same reason. Somebody has to pay for content, regardless of where it is.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i hate adds, especially pop up ones
i get that content isn’t free, but adds have gotten out of control which is why i do use add blocks
Balls
the argument against that kind of thing
is that the alternative to dealing with the ads—which often are terrible—is to stop going to that site, whereupon they’ll hopefully get the picture and cut down on the intrusive advertising. (lately baseball-reference has been autoplaying videos on occasion, which really sucks, but there isn’t any good alternative so I just have to deal with it.)
I understand that argument, but in the long-term I hope writing on the internet can move away from an entirely ad-based model—the current system is heavily biased toward short, inane, Google-friendly content that will get a lot of dumb pageviews, like what I have to do on the regional, and not what we do on VEB, which is why our growth has been flat for three or four years now.
How do page views work?
I assume that repeated views from the same IP is meaningless, but what about the same network?
Suppose I were to view a page on my desktop, and then my netbook. Would that count as two?
Still not a werewolf.
I'm not actually sure
repeat visitors and time spent on the average page are metrics the advertisers really do look at, but I’ve always been hazy on what is and isn’t a unique visitor, which is the biggest number on the SB Nation stat dashboard.
depending on how much time is elapsed you’ll count as two separate visits no matter what, which is the middle number in the unique visitor-visit-page-view advertiser nesting dolls.
probably not worth the effort
but you can bet that whenever I’m at best buy I bring up VEB and the regional on one of the imacs, just in case. it’s probably much weirder now that I’m doing that in colorado.
It would be nice,
but there aren’t a whole lot of other models for profit that don’t require a larger amount of creativity to conceive of than I believe most people in charge have.
Chad Garrison and I had a conversation about how to drive comments on the RFT, because I made an offhand complaint about how few I ever get on any posts. He said I could do one of two things: write much, much shorter pieces, or declare all-out war on something and go over the top. He said (paraphrasing), “Well-written and smart just doesn’t hold people’s attention for very long.”
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Or you can do both
Also known as the Dave Cameron method.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2011 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, when I was doing music pieces with the rft
(I hope to be back soon, I had to take some time off to finish a million other projects) basically the only way to drive traffic to the site was to be really antagonistic about something, typically a teen idol with a wide twitter reach. we had the most success on posts in which I was called a racist for some reason or another.
Most comments I've ever gotten:
Colby trade rage-a-thon, in which I took Chad’s advice and just went way over the top with my feelings, and a Michael Vick column in which I actually pulled back from how far I wanted to go but still toed the line.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
i try & comment on your stuff about the Cards
because it’s always good & they deserve to have comments. i don’t however read or comment about the rams because quite frankly i care nothing about them & wish they’d go back to LA
Balls
by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2011 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i feel bad when there's no comments
because i’m like wth don’t those readers realize how lucky they are RB writes for the RTF?
FYI your Colby piece is my favorite piece you’ve written for the RFT
Balls
again, you're welcome
the Colby piece was awesome. it was everything i wished i was smart enough to say about what went down, but i was too blinded by murderous rage to say
Balls
One of my biggest complaints with RFT
is the difficulty in navigating to the sports page from the main page. It’s not in the main menus, the drop-down menus, or any of the featured categories on the front page.
Still not a werewolf.
Our new website
is a nightmare. Since the redesign even my close friends have mostly stopped reading, just because it’s so hard to find stuff.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the easiest way
to do it.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
is it really a bad thing re the slow growth?
it seems like there’s a few hundred people who genuinely enjoy talking about everything, not just baseball.
Balls
for me it's definitely not a bad thing
I’d have to double the site’s traffic and posting frequency to make the kind of gains they’d pass along to me, and that’s not worth my time, let alone damaging the dynamic of the site. I like the kind of posts we do and I love the commenters we draw.
sb nation would probably prefer I grow the site, but we’re still in the middle of the pack, so it’s not a big deal.
that's good to know we're mid pack
it almost sounded like you’ve been taking heat for VEB not getting more traffic.do they really think more posts means more hits?
Balls
Well of course more posts means more hits
Your just putting out more search terms.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
oh, they don't just think it—it's absolutely true
people go to sites more often the more frequently they post, and (more importantly) sites that have more and shorter posts get a ton of hits courtesy google news, which is really (and unfortunately) the main driver of traffic for topical writing on the internet.
I’m not sure about this, but I’d imagine we’re near the bottom of the team blogs for google news traffic, because we post once a day and we don’t really do much search-engine optimization of headlines.
apparently I search for weird things
because VEB is very frequently in my search results.
Still not a werewolf.
For the users, no.
For the people trying to make money off page view revenue, yes.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure I follow
if you’re talking about veb, I’m paid very little and the other guys aren’t paid at all, and that’s unlikely to change unless I were to bring on a ton of contributors and update five times a day like the other blogs.
OK that answers my questions
i knew you were paid a little, but this was more of a labor of love. and i knew SBN wanted more hits so they would be paid more. i was just wondering if maybe the companies who advertise here were unhappy with slower growth than other SBN sites
Balls
oh—as for the advertisers, they probably have no idea
most of the ads here run across the network, and they probably buy based on network traffic over a period of time. the company’s still looking into local advertising, but they haven’t made much of a stab at it.
My friend Luke
is fascinated by the same thing. Every time a razor commercial comes on the television he goes off on a rant about how bizarre it is they aren’t comparing their products to their inferior competitors, but instead to their own inferior previous product line. I have to admit, it is a very strange paradigm.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This, 45 fucking seconds between each pitch
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
In the offchance that we do lose
Who are you guys going to cheer for? I’m going diamondbacks (if they come back) or the Tigers all the way.
Die Hard Cards Fan in Seoul.
by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 5, 2011 2:31 AM EDT reply actions
re VEB's baseball enjoyability
do you think we know too much? there are so man smart & well informed folks here who share their extensive knowledge with us. i’ve learned more since i came here in 05 than i did watching baseball in all the years prior. do you think because we know so much that all the mistakes & bad moves by TLR make the games unenjoyable? that’s a word isn’t it?
Balls
I might be a weird case
but I didn’t get into baseball until I started learning about the stats and the history and all the know-too-much stuff—before that I was a basketball fan. at first that was just because I was a teenager and I loved to be pissed off and know just how much righter I was than so-and-so who hadn’t even read moneyball, but now I don’t think it’s detracted from my enjoyment.
there were few things i loved more as a child than playing & watching baseball
i didn’t care about the stats as much as how much fun it was to watch & play. now i watch & i care about & want to see the game played the way VEB has taught me to it supposed to be played. but there’s not a lot of teams that do that.
Balls
and here i thought all along i was corrupting VEB
Balls
by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you spend a good piece of your life corrupting a sportsblog and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time.
- gdm
by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m really pulling for you guys, more because I hate PHI more than I love STL (I’m a Giants fan).
So please kick their asses the next two games. It’s rough how close you were today, but hey, that’s baseball I suppose. Good luck Cards!
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
work hard play hard and enjoy every minute for your love, for your life. <3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 5, 2011 3:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Arigato.
Much appreciated, and condolences on not making it in. I have an odd fondness for the Giants, and would have much preferred to see them than the DBacks. (Although I’m about Brian Wilson-ed out, at this point.)
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand how anyone could dislike Lincecum.
One of my very favorites to watch.
Still not a werewolf.
hey, I would have preferred we made it in over AZ as well :) I think our season died when we lost Posey, but we didn’t want to admit it.
Oh, and I hear ya re: Wilson. Just wish he’d shave the damn beard already
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
Yeah.
Seeing Buster Posey go out was just a bad day for any baseball fan.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Oct 5, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
hearing Jon Miller exclaim “…and Posey gets clobbered” and helplessly watching him squirming in pain on the dirt is something I’ll never forget.
You kinda say to yourself “maybe it’s just a bad sprain” but in your heart you know its real bad.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
Dan is the only one i could see reading VEB
Al hates computers so he never would. Ricky as well but also he thinks he’s too good to read blogs. the Cat is too full of himself & takes his job way to seriously to read blogs. Dan was the only one who really seemed to me at least like he could get what blogs are about.
Balls
that's interesting
I’ve always felt like the cat doesn’t take his job seriously at all—he’s always the guy who ends up stuck in a weird segment or spends his entire time on the broadcast talking about a weird thing jon jay is doing. for dan’s sake, I hope he doesn’t spend much time googling himself.
I’ve got class in the morning and I just finished setting up sb nation for the afternoon, so I’m out.
good VEB late-night, everybody, it’s been a while. this one had the gdm touch™.
i mean his in game & post game, he's all mr serious reporter don't F with me
yeah he does some stupid pregame crap. maybe because i listen to his show all the time i guess i see his reporting differently?
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Balls
and me
but i’m gonna be busy for the next 20-40 minutes.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
what's sleep ever done for you?
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