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Pujols: "It's not about the money all the time"

Before the 2009 season, Pujols was quoted by Jon Heyman in SI

"I'm not going to lie to you: It's not about the money all the time," Pujols said when he got to spring training. "It's about being in a place to win and being in a position to win. If the Cardinals are willing to do that and put a team together every year like they have, I'm going to try to work everything out to stay in this town."

At the time, the Cardinals had failed to qualify for the playoffs in 2 consecutive seasons. Since then, there's no disputing that the Cardinals organization - through trades, free-agent signings, and long-term commitment to player development - have put Albert Pujols in a position to win. Given present ownership's track record of retaining top tier players (McGwire, Edmonds, Rolen, Pujols, Carpenter, Holliday) at high, but not idiotic salaries, and Albert's own willingness to 'work everything out to stay in this town', there is little reason to think he'd leave.

The question remains: Why isn't it done?

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Hypothesis #1: Pujols is/was being disingenuous, always intended to run to the highest bidder

Certainly a possibility, though not a topic I'm going to spend much time contemplating.

Hypothesis #2: Pujols feels differently at (nearly) 32* than he did at 29

Ask anyone in their late 20s any number of philosophical questions...then check back 3 years later and it's unlikely that you'll get the same answers. Priorities change. Perspectives change. People change.

That being said, Pujols was not your typical 29-year-old when he gave that answer. The mang has always been mature beyond his years** by ballplayer - even non-ballplayer standards. He was married and raising a special needs child before most of us had even heard of him. What could have happened in the last 3 years that might have drastically changed Pujols outlook? Wait, don't answer that.

*if you take him at his word

**I'm not implying that he's lying about his age

Hypothesis #3: Pujols is trying to help his friend and longtime agent by letting him play hardball

I don't know much about Dan Lozano, other than he and Pujols go way back, he set up his own shop not too long ago, and he currently counts Alex Rodriguez amongst his clients. If Lozano botches this Pujols deal, the Lozano brand might be permanently damaged. Since by all accounts Pujols has complete faith in Lozano, it's not a stretch to assume he's letting Lozano dictate the strategy on this deal (i.e. don't engage with the media about it, play hardball with ownership).

I've long been a subscriber of hypothesis #3 as explanation why negotiations have gone the way they have. There is however more than one way Lozano could botch this deal. Obviously if Pujols signs for what's widely perceived as a 'below market' deal, then Lozano looks bad. Additionally, if Pujols market value turns out to be less than what was offered last spring (200M/9?), Lozano looks really bad. Thirdly, if Pujols really intended to stay all along, but the Cardinals - burned by Lozano's hardball tactics - decide it's in their best long-term interests to let some other team overpay for Pujols' decline phase, then it's conceivable Pujols would fire Lozano and approach the Cardinals to negotiate his own deal.

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Why hasn't Pujols signed already?
He always been disingenuous about his priorities
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He changed, and now wants to play for the highest bidder
45 votes
He wants to stay, but his agent is dragging it out
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Someone presented me with an interesting hypothesis

that might be wishful thinking, but also sounds at least somewhat plausible.

Assumed:
1. The mang has a big ego and a chip on his shoulder about his talent and perceived lack of recognition.

2. The mang loves St. Louis, the Cardinals, and wants to stay.

3. The mang wants to be loved by St. Louis, and be beloved here for the rest of his life.

Therefore, I hypothesize that he only wants to be a free agent so that he can get a gigantic offer from someone else and then publicly turn it down to stay a Cardinal.

Then again, the whole idea sounds like someone making up a nice sports narrative.

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by Vindicator9000 on Nov 1, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

This all seems...

hideously narcissistic if that is indeed his intention. “Look, America, see how noble I am to turn down such huge money to return to this historic franchise? It’s not about money to me, for I am Albert Pujols!”

I don’t know if I could get behind that idea any more than I could get behind the idea that he wants a big pay day.

by mynameistyler on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read something along these lines the other day,

and i’ve been looking all over the place for the article, and now I can’t find it.

The gist of it was that Albert is looking for validation or a recognition of the fact the Cardinals have paid him less than he is worth for years. During the negotiations in the spring, he was offended on some level by what they offered him. It’s not so much about the money for the money’s sake, but what the money represents in terms of recognition of who he is. So now he wants to go out there and “test the waters”, even though he really wants to stay with the Cardinals and probably will turn down those other offers.

I don’t necessarily see this as narcissistic. My husband and I have talked several times about this issue. Forget for a minute that we are talking about astronomical sums of money. If you are the best at what you do, but you know you’re underpaid relative to others in your field, and even on your own team, how do you feel about your employer? Of course, baseball contracts are different than a typical work environment, but, nonetheless, if you’re in his position, don’t you at least want to go see what you can get out there?

Let’s just hope this is all he wants to do.

by Betagal on Nov 1, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeking validation...

that he’s been underpaid for years isn’t narcissistic and I don’t believe testing the FA market to be narcissistic. I interpreted the post above as suggesting that Albert wanted to net a massive offer on the market just so he could show everyone that he’s worth this much money and he’s going to turn it down just to prove how great a guy he is. That would most certainly be narcissism.

by mynameistyler on Nov 1, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And that would be, IMHO, out of character for him.

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by Betagal on Nov 1, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how you can know his character.

If he signs elsewhere is that a character flaw? I just don’t understand how people can talk about these guys like they are BFF’s just because they see them on a tv and doing cliche filled, stock answered interviews.

by Forsch's2nohitters on Nov 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Signing elsewhere would not be a character flaw...

going out to get huge offers for the purpose of turning them down publicly so he can come back to St. Louis and look good for taking less money – that’s what mynameisstyler was calling narcissism. And, yeah, that’s a character flaw.

It would be out of character with the person he’s publicly presented himself to be for more than a decade. I don’t have to personally know him to be able to judge that.

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by Betagal on Nov 2, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

That’s insane.

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by vivaelpujols on Nov 1, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

this would actually be a great PR move

Durant did this last summer when he “quietly” signed a huge extension with the Thunder right after the LeBron Decision saga.

There were more “Durant is humble! Humility!” articles than you could count the next few days. I’m sure the narrative would be similar in this case.

by matt man on Nov 2, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the lack of a deal is as much a function the organization,

if not more so than Pujols.

I think that/wonder whether Mozielak and the cards have decided to retain Pujols, whatever it takes, but they want to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that they have to give him a 9/$230 or whatever humongous, megadeal in order to do so, and they’ve decided the only way to be sure of that is to let him hit the market and see what offers come his way.

It’s weird and counter-intuitive – trying to save money by letting a star go to free agency – but I’m willing to bet that the Cards really don’t want to operate in a sphere of uncertainty when it comes to Pujols market value.

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by dronemc on Nov 1, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

This...

is a good thought. The Cardinals can’t feel too scared about it, they were facing a monster payday if they chose to sign him outright before the season. With the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers all presumably out of the mix it provides some comfort, I would assume. The team with the biggest ability to drop the most money, which I would imagine is the Angels, usually seems to convince themselves that they are a smaller market incapable of dealing the megadeal.

by mynameistyler on Nov 1, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This has kind of been my thought since last year

If the Cardinals are going to pay Pujols this absurd money, with an absurd contract, they would like to make sure that they actually have to. More than likely, they will have to pay it, and I could see it as a somewhat risky proposition, but it also makes some sense.

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by Cardsfan25 on Nov 1, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The crazy thing about the Angels

is that that awful Vernon Wells might not only have lead to them paying millions to a crappy player, and cost them Mike Napoli (the best hitter in the AL this year), but ALSO made it harder for them to offer Pujols a competitive deal.

Kinda like when Holliday’s FA rolled around, it sort of looks like there might not be too many big-time suitors for Albert. Of course the RedSox & Yankees will be involved if the price drops enough (even though they’re both likely set at 1B), but otherwise the only real options seem to be the Angels (who may not have any more money than we do to offer him, but seem the most likely destination other than StL), the Cubs (hard to see him going there, but maybe Theo makes it more likely?), Rangers (who I think might be the 2nd most likely destination) and Nats (who would perhaps be my choice if I was Albert, but I can’t see him going to a bottom feeding team, even one with such a bright future).

Hard to see any of these teams dropping more than $200m on Albert, so I’m kinda hopeful we can get a 7/170-type deal done, maybe with a vesting option (and even that, I think, could be too rich, in pure value terms).

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 2, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be very pleased if they pulled off 7/170 or something close to that

Seems like it would almost certainly be too much in terms of pure on-field performance value (unless he ages extremely well), but if they could get that I’d certainly take it if the alternative is seeing him walk. I’m worried they’ll have to go for either 1-2 more years or higher AAV, both of which would be hard to swallow.

by BTown Birds fan on Nov 2, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's more of a matter of:

It’s not ALL about the money, but it’s mostly about the money.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 1, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he is a bit skeptical of Cardinal managment

I think he wants to stay. He also thinks the Cardinals have the ability to pay him a Rodriguez type of contract. It’s important to him that he is recognized as the best.

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by spfldbird on Nov 1, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with the first part

the second part I can’t say… but I bet he is a bit torn at how much the Cards want to give him vs the ability to compete and the great fans. let’s not forget that Tony Larussa retiring could be a complete game changer… shall prove to be interesting to see how this effects anything, if at all.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 1, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The A-Rod contract is unprecedented

Nobody’s come close to getting a deal as good as either of his mega-deals, so they really shouldn’t be a comparison, imo. The comparison contracts should be the Teixiera and Gonzalez deals — both were younger when they signed their contracts even though they aren’t as valuable a player as Albert has been.

Seriously — is there anyone in on the planet that doesn’t think Pujols is the best player in baseball after Game 3 of the World Series?

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 3, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that's why the A-Rod deals are being pushed as the comparison points

especially the one with the Rangers, from when A-Rod was probably the best player in baseball.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Nov 4, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

would it be interesting to give him some kind of long contract that doesn't bankrupt the team

which would be undercutting the market value… but put in a ton of incentives and bonuses into the contract? would that be allowable within mlb, and/or would it be perceived by Pujols as tacky? I dunno… hotstove is already heating!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 1, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

My understanding

is that incentives can be based on either:

things like AB, games played in, appearances

WS or Playoff appearances

and

All-Star appearances/gold gloves/MVPs/etc.

All other incentives are not allowed, including ones for actual on the field output, like HR and whatnot.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Nov 2, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

They made an exception...

… for A-Rod’s 600th HR, and I believe he has some coming up for 700, 715, etc. Presumably we could do something similar for Albert.

Not sure that changes anything, tho.

by kindred on Nov 2, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols is just exploring all his options

He wants to see what FA will bring. He knows the Cardinals will offer him something and he can sign with them if he wants. He’s just seeing what the market brings and he’ll make the choice that’s best for him (and his family I’m sure). No doubt he will weigh in plenty of other options other than the money/years, like what his legacy in St. Louis means, his charitable activities, where he wants to play, etc. etc. And obviously, if he stays in St. Louis and makes his legacy with one team, there’s money in that too, beyond the dollars in his baseball playing contract

by dmiles on Nov 2, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree, and keep coming back to what I thought was the reasonable way to look at last off-season

Neither the Cardinals nor Albert Pujols had an established “Albert Pujols Market” to compare when they negotiated one on one. Since he’s clearly going to command a huge contract, the difference between the actual market in the real world and the speculative going-rate-for-Pujols could be very significant. We’re not talking about some role player who is clearly going to get a couple millions dollars for a one-year contract. So it behooves both parties to not commit before the market solidifies unless it is a can’t-miss kind offer.
If Pujols came to the Cardinals last winter and said “write me a four-year, eighty million dollar contract” they would have done so in even less time than it took to wet their pants with excitement. If the Cardinals came to Albert and said “we’re offering you 13 years with a total value of over four hundred million fucking dollars,” I’m pretty sure Albert would have quickly said, “well I guess I can accept that offer, I’ll have my agent read it over just to make sure” and then he’d sign it in blood if necessary. But neither party had enough incentive to do something like that yet, and they won’t until they get more information.

by mattybobo on Nov 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is mostly true, but I'd add one caveat:

I don’t think there’s a true “market” for Albert Pujols. At most, there might be 8 teams willing to tender him a contract. It’s not like the “market” will set his price — that’s really not happened for a player of his caliber in quite some time. The “market” didn’t set the value of A-Rod’s contract in 2000, dipshit Rangers owner Tom Hicks did, and in doing so set top end of the market for the rest of the free agents that offseason, which is why many of the biggest deals ever signed up to that point occurred during that offseason.

To the extent that the free agent market is set, it’s the player that signs the first, biggest, deal that sets the market for a particular offseason, not necessarily the best player. If the Rangers signed Prince Fielder to 7/$190M on November 12th, then that would likely “set the market” for all other major free agents this offseason.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Nov 3, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

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