Tony La Russa, St. Louis Cardinals Manager (1996-2011)
by bgh on Oct 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT
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The St. Louis Cardinals hired Tony La Russa in 1996 to manage. And so began a hot-and-cold, love-and-hate relationship with the man. It would be a relationship defined by breakdowns in personal relationships with players and success on the field, a relationship captured in the microcosm of 1996.
A rift developed between two proud and stubborn men when La Russa butted heads with Ozzie Smith, one of the great players and people in the franchise's history. The resentment the manager developed for his mistreatment of Ozzie was tempered somewhat by success on the field. It would be the first such instance of this dynamic but by no means the last. La Russa coached the 1996 incarnation of the club to within one game of the World Series. But the champagne to celebrate that pennant was never popped open and the merchandise to commemorate it never sold for the Braves rallied to win the NLCS and then [lose] the World Series. It was the first of numerous postseason collapses for La Russa-managed Cardinals teams.
La Russa's first brush with history in a The Birds On The Bat would be the steroid-fueled home run chase of 1998. How much he knew and when he knew it in regards to performance-enhanving drugs is one of the questions that will likely be raised by media members and historians in the years to come. It remains to be seen whether Hall-of-Fame voters will direct their righteous indignation at the manager of Mark McGwire in the way they have at the should-be Hall-of-Fame first baseman. For my money, the duo's plaques should stand side-by-side in Cooperstown.
Before the 2000 season the Cardinals added Jim Edmonds, Daryl Kile, and pitching phenom Rick Ankiel. The La Russa-managed club would bust out of the gates to a 17-8 start, never looking back en route to a 95-win season, National League Central crown, and a draw of the year 2000 edition of the 1990s juggernaut Atlanta Braves. Renowned for playing mind games, La Russa tried one on the Braves by announcing Daryl Kile the Game 1 starter, having Daryl Kile participate in the press conferences leading up to Game 1, but then pulling a bat-and-switch by starting rookie fireballer Rick Ankiel. The results were catastrophic. The Cardinals would win the game and the series but the franchise would lose Rick Ankiel, starting pitcher. Ankiel would throw 2.2 innings, walk six, with five wild pitches. The Cardinals would lose to the New York Mets in the NLCS. Ankiel would tally five walks and four wild pitches in 1.1 innings pitched, his last in the big leagues.
In 2001 the Cardinals were again in the postseason hunt. The Redbirds found themselves tied with the Houston Astros for the National League Central lead heading into the final series of the season. The Friday night game of that series was my first in-person of the La Russa era. After seven shutout innings from starter Woody Williams the Cards led 1-0 and Lance Berkman was set to leadoff the Astros' half of the eighth. La Russa called on journeyman reliever Jeff Tabaka, a pitcher few in the stadium had ever heard of, to face Big Puma. Berkman berked a game-tying homer and the Astros went on to win the game 2-1. After the game I was shocked at the fan reaction to the bullpen management specifically and La Russa as manager generally. Up until that point, I had no appreciation for the love-hate relationship Cardinals fans had with their manager.
In 2002, the Cardinals experienced a tragedy when pitcher Daryl Kile, a clubhouse leader, passed away mid-season in his hotel room. That season was one of La Russa's best as a manager. The Cardinals front office added veteran southpaw Chuck Finley and Scott Rolen, who were key players in a run that ended with a loss to the Giants in the NLCS after Rolen's season was ended in the NLDS due to a collision with Alex Cintron.
In 2003, the club underachieved and missed the playoffs. In 2004, the club put together an MV3-fueled season that was perhaps the greatest in franchise history. the '04 club won 105 games and a National League pennant only to be swept in the World Series by the cure-breaking Red Sox. In 2005, with an injured Scott Rolen missing significant time, the Cards won 100 games before losing the NLCS to the Astros.*
*In the original post, I flipped the win totals of the 2004 and 2005 Cardinals.
The Cards won 83 games in 2006 and only just eeked into the playoffs. An injured Rolen and aging Edmonds were shadows of their MV3 selves. Somehow, someway, the club knocked off the Padres, Mets, and Tigers en route to the franchise's tenth World Series title, a number the manager wore on his back during his tenure in St. Louis as a representation of the goal. It was a magical run.
The four years that followed were filled with a bad club ('07), an upstart group ('08), a division champ ('09), and a frustrating underachiever ('10). Coming into 2011 the Cardinals lost their ace, Adam Wainwright, to an arm injury during Spring Training. They then exploded out of the gates an apparent offensive juggernaut only to fade as the weather warmed with the coming of summer. An historic September run in which they won at a .692 clip combined with an historic Braves collapse allowed them to earn a playoff berth on the season's final day. You know the rest.
And so it is at the peak of his profession that Tony La Russa has decided to leave the storied Cardinals franchise. La Russa's has been a tenure marked by feuds with players such as Scott Rolen, Colby Rasmus, and Brendan Ryan, playoff collaps such as 1996 and 2004, and improbable championship runs in 2006 and this season. La Russa leaves first in St. Louis Cardinals franchise history in managerial wins and third in MLB history in the same category. La Russa is human, flawed like us. For every trait to be admired--tenacity, inteligence, appreciation for tradition--there is one to be disliked--stubbornness, rudeness, arrogance. Ours is a relationship that has run its course. I'm happy to see him go, especially after our eleventh World Series title, and I wish TLR the best.
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This is just crazy.
For all the crap we give him, being a Cardinals fan in the TLR era has been pretty damn sweet.
by Sam Godford on Oct 31, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
You mean the Albert Pujols era?
Because I remember the LaRussa era pre-Albert, and it wasn’t any good.
watching Mac hit dingerz was fun
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
96 was unfortunate but I guess Atlanta repaid that debt this year.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta owed us nothing.
Donovan Osborne, however…
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
i dont think you can blame that on 1 guy.
maybe Osborne and Stottlemyre.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU THINK I WON'T KEEPING BLAMING DONOVAN OSBORNE SOLELY FOR THE 1996 NLCS COLLAPSE?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Once upon a time, I predicted that Tony Pena would be TLR's successor
I still stand by that
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
HOLY SHIT IT'S AN ALTERNATE REALITY
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Also in this alternate reality
we won 100 games in ’04 and 105 games in ’05
I knew I should've double-checked.
The Yanks beat them, didn’t they.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
nicely put, bgh
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
it kind of makes me want to get a little nostalgic
there were definitely some good times, but i’m glad to see a new era of management moving in
Well said bgh
I’m happy to see him go, especially after our eleventh World Series title, and I wish TLR the best.
These are my sentiments exactly. Throughout his tenure, I’ve always found his in-game decision making to be quizzical at best and infuriating at worst. Nonetheless, I have a lot of respect for the man’s ability to net out as a winner, on the whole, at the end of 162 games.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
He was the best of managers
He was the worst of managers
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 17 recs
I was wondering the whole series if this might happen
TLR getting out at the top.
I was afraid to suggest it on VEB.
Well done, TLR!
Now – what? who?
Cards fan in Middle East
derek lowe traded to the indians
per heyman’s twitter
BRAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSS
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
The Indians, apparently.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
i'd bet the braves are paying almost all of his salary left
i think its over 13 or 14 mil
BRAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSS
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
aww, they could have had Jake Westbrook back for less
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Good move for both teams I think
he’s a solid enough innings eater and probably the #3 (or maybe even #2) pitcher on their staff now. And the Braves have guys in AAA who are just as good. Really I think they should’ve been able to get the Indians to pay a little bit more, but decent move anyhow.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of the Indians...Grady is available.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
NO GRADY LITTLE!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
I would rather marry Freese than Grady. (because are SOOOOOOOOO likely to happen.)
I know it is shocking. But I really think David would be a better fit for me. Maybe it’s the Midwest thing.
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 31, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw some article on stltoday.com or something
about a girl holding a “future Mrs. Freese” sign in the stands and I wondered about IHB and you.
My mom is going to the thing at Macy's on Wednesday and she wants to introduce herself as his future mother in law.
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Possibly after.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
maybe he's gay.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What will David say when he finds out you are cheating?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
after i've given it 5 minutes of thought, that's the best i can come up with
by prophetjohn on Oct 31, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
you agree that's the best that he can come up with?
the fact that you know that is….well….creepy.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Braves fans were relieved he didn't get the gig in ATL
Why? I dunno…just what friends in ATL were telling me.
i meant francona
i’d give francona an interview, though. but i doubt that mo goes for a rookie manager
by prophetjohn on Oct 31, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU'RE STARTING YOUR OWN BASEBALL TEAM!?!?!?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I really don't want another big name
Give me some nobody who doesn’t do anything stupid.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Valentine is a nobody
but he’s very, very stupid
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, don't want Valentine
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you want to manage?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
sure, but I can't guarantee I won't do something stupid
actually….you can bet on it I would…..
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
would you start Theriot at short for 120 games?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Theriot is a bench player now
think that has been pretty well established… platoon at 2nd maybe
Baseball was designed to break your heart
Don't underestimate my ability to look completely foolish.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I'd be willing to manage
and I would keep my computer in the dugout on VEB, and ask you guys what move I should make next
then do the exact opposite, just to give y’all someone to vilify.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 31, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't it "hear hear"?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There there it's "hear, hear!"
Here here nobody can read or has the historical sense to imagine what “hear hear” means, so it’s “Here, here!”
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
by alberich on Oct 31, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
(its high brow comedy)
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
The older I get, the higher my brow.
Positively Shakespearean now.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
(what alberich said)
i’ve never seen it written down before, so i guess that’s probably right.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
I'm letting you all know right now
That we need not look for a manager, as the best guy available, Bobby Valentine, is a lock
-tim kurkjian
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
I am considering flagging this
because now I am terrified of what could happen
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed so hard it hurt
When Tim Kurkjian said that Bobby Valentine was the best guy out there in his opinion
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends on what he's talking about.
Maybe he’s talking about how Valentine is the best out there at poorly disguising himself with a fake mustache? (by cracky)
He surely can’t be talking about coaching baseball….
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Is Saint Louis
A team that Is a destination for a manager? I say yes. I can see most managers jumping at a chance to manage a franchise like the Cardinals.
I sez Sanchez
Low media pressure and a chance at winning every year?
I’m going with yes.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If Showalter weren't already under contract in Baltimore
and if he weren’t such a micromanager, I bet he’d be a good fit.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 31, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This terrifies me
I have always found TLR fairly infuriating in many ways, but I maintain that he was actually a better manager than most. If we learned anything from this World Series it’s that, yes, there are other managers who do even dumber, crazier crap than Tony does and still have jobs. Last year I went to a Giants-Padres game where Bud Black warmed Heath Bell up in the bullpen either four or five times and never put him in because the game never progressed to a save situation.
I think TLR’s time here had probably run its course, just from a personality perspective. But I also think that TLR has done a wonderful job as the Cardinals manager and I think the Cardinals are going to have to be very smart and get very lucky to replace him with someone who is better at his job than Tony. Maybe Francona? I dunno.
by mojowo11 on Oct 31, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
From the little bit I saw of Ron Washington
he was probably worse than TLR. I’d rather have TLR than about half the managers in MLB, but (as I said on Fangraphs the other day) MLB management is kinda a “tallest midget” contest.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dusty Baker is also probably worse than TLR.
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
and cecil cooper
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
probably?
I’d say definitely. Look at his tenure with the cubs. Not to mention making two giant pitching blunders in the 02 and 03 playoffs. The guy doesn’t seem very intelligent to me.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My point. Was an arch response to the statement that Wash was "probably" worse than TLR
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
I dunno, I think Tony's probably around an average tactical manager
I think he had a pretty good postseason in that regard.
But him forcing trades of valuable players and controlling the rosters so much really bumps him down, IMO.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Or bump up?
I was sad to see Rolen, Ryan and Rasmus leave, not so much for Kennedy. But I’ve always thought that there were many more factors than just Tony disliking players, e.g. what other players wanted, what the player in question wanted.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Washington has only been a manager for 5 years
and he’s had his team in the World Series for 2 of those 5. La Russa managed for 33 years. I think I’d give Washington a little slack.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 31, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you hit the nail on the head
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nice quote
"For people close to me, it’s a factor," La Russa said of the McGraw mark, nodding to his wife, Elaine. "I’m aware of it. I’m aware of the history of the game. But I would not be happy with myself if the reason I came back was to move up on one spot. That isn’t why you manage. That isn’t why I started."
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Was cool how he said he kinda liked the idea of McGraw being in second place
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Isn't there only HOFers up on the wall?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 31, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see #15 up there next season, personally.
Or at least, at some point.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
which silhouette?
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks angry in this one.
Or like he’s pushing out a little turd.
by chriswallace on Oct 31, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
he was. right down miceli's throat.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
or
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I was there for that one...
ughh… so good… (Chills)
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
speaking of 4,
where do you think hes going to keep Kinsler’s nuts?
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
i come back and this isn't green
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Three players have worn no. 15 since Edmonds left.
I don’t think it gets retired.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
who was 29?
Rolen?
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
really?
rolen was 27.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
H'es british.
Give him a break.
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He's*
Geez
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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yeah, didnt mean that to be as prickly as it sounded.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's fine.
Mine sounded more prickly than I wanted too.
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lets just agree that everyone isn't as prickly as they sound
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Some are more pricky than others
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 31, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
quick history of aranathor
fan since 2008
is british
has never been to St. Louis
is fabulous.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
by Aranathor on Oct 31, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
How many Cy Young winners have we had?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I just don't see them breaking from the non-official HOF member number retirement
I think Yadi will have a better Cooperstown resume than Carp.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
this is not a bad discussion to have, I disagree though.
I think Yadi has a long way to go yet.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Yadi is more or less done in 3-4 years personally
I’d be very leery about giving him more than a 3-year deal after next season.
I think it’s possible neither Yadi or Carp even make the HOF ballot (though I think Carp probably will).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
its something of an unknown quantity
given that he was, offensively at least, miles better than he had ever been before. If he produces an OPS+ ~120 again next year then he’s gonna be well within his rights to ask for a lot of money and a lot of years.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
the last long term contract for a catcher was mauer.
and Yadi will be 30 after next year. I think 3 years is about right.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also got a body type that typically ages pretty badly
and has caught more innings (I believe) than any catcher in baseball the last 3 years, by a long way. He’s going to be pretty beat up in his early 30s.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 1, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont see either getting in.
Carp is ~ Jack Morris but has wayyyyy fewer counting stats.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's already been pointed out that they retired Boyer's number
and he’s not in the HOF.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 31, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You could make an argumet that,
after two seperate sets of postseason heroics, Carp fills that rare category where his significance to team history is much greater than his significance to baseball history.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
carp and gibbie
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
29 is going up
Id bet my life on it.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
GIVE VINCE THE WALL!
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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Id say hes going to have to settle for 24 representing himself, Willie, Pendleton and the rest of the 80s teams. minus Ozzie.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Too soon.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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Thought it was kinda shitty they let Holliday have #15 so soon actually.
Glad he changed when he signed long-term. I agree that retiring 15 doesn’t seem very likely, though. I’m probably a bit biased on this one and I guess if you retire every borderline-HOF guy in a successful franchise you’re going to be retiring numbers every few years.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i think so too.
also i think 51 would have to go up before 15.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Willie McGee, right?
Before my time but Edmonds was way better, it’s not even close IMO.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
mcgee won an mvp and 2 batting titles.
both had 1 WS.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
True, and McGee was a great player
But Edmonds should be a HOFer and McGee should not, big difference
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 31, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i dont see edmonds getting in
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's an interesting debate
I enjoy this articlethat talks about all his numbers, how they stack up, etc.
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree he has a solid resume
but if jeff bagwell is having trouble getting in, how the hell does edmonds stand a chance.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Edmonds doesn't have the steroid whisperings that are possibly plaguing Bagwell.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
thats ridiculous.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the steroid whisperings.
its as substantiated as pujols working out with his trainer who was a steroid guy.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
thats equally ridiculous.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
why is that ridiculous?
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name the 8 1B better than Bagwell
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to do it!!
Gehrig
Pujols
Thomas
Older Stan Musial
Carl Yazstremski
Frank Robinson
uhhh…. Jimmie Foxx?
…..
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musial does not count.
neither do yaz or robinson. unless we can list albert as the best 3b ever.
Bagwell ranks higher on WAR than Frank Thomas.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea, I'm just listing a bunch of first baseman
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and that's only seven... uhhh
Willie McCovey
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Killbrew, McCovey, Banks, Mize, Thome, McGwire, Greenberg...
you could make an argument for a bunch of guys.
these guys were not career 1B.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont see how that strengthens the original argument.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not sure why you're giving Bagwell more credit because he spent his entire career playing an easier position
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i'm aware
i’m not comparing WAR here- i’m complaining about Stash’s limiting our sample of players to discuss. i am making no statements about Edmonds vs. Bagwell.
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we were comparing 1B to CF.
i dont think it makes sense to put any guy that played 1B at the end of his career into the discussion. Why not add every OF to compare with Edmonds then?
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
im not sure why bagwell is not esteemed.
the guy was really great.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
he was
i just don’t think he’s quite as good as you’re making him out to be, but i guess i’m mostly just splitting hairs at this point.
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i dont even like bagwell. I just think hes easily a top 8 1B.
which was the original question.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Gorgeous George Sisler
played in a different era, but was considered a very good first baseman.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 31, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there are.
He’s at least a top 10 first baseman.
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perform the same WAR grid for Bagwell and he is listed 8th.
8th behind 2 guys who played before 1900 and Pete Rose.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
right.
So you have Gehrig, XX and Albert for sure. That puts Bagwell 4th. which is where Bill James ranked him.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Greenberg was pretty clearly a better player than Bagwell, IMO
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better maybe, but clearly?
bagwell played half his career in an offensive tomb. Greenberg missed seasons at the backend of his prime.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
like guayzimi said
you can’t blame Greenberg for that. just like nobody debates how good Koufax was. go look at Greenberg’s stats- the guy was absurdly good for 7 years. if he had played his entire career without interruptions, we might be talking about him vs. Gehrig here.
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im not blaming him. He actually missed more time than I thought.
so lets add 30 to his WAR totals which gets him to 98 – round to 100 even. Bagwell is at 84 and missed probably 2 years bc of a shoulder and played in the dome.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, you blame guys for injuries, not for going to the war
Injuries are a part of the game. War… is not exactly.
Anyway Bagwell didn’t even come close to matching Greenberg’s best seasons (Bagwell’s best season would be Greenberg’s FIFTH best season).
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 31, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
But then bagwell played the other
half of his career in a park designed for pull hitters.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Smith, Simmons and Yount only played about 1/3 of their games in center...
The only players in center who were clearly better are Mays, Cobb, Dimaggio, Speaker, Mantle, Griffey, and maybe Snider.
so Edmonds has a strong argument for top 10 CF all time.
Bagwell has a strong argument for top 5 1B.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
To me Edmonds is either 7th or 8th depending...
on how you feel about Snider. Andruw Jones just made so many more outs than Edmonds.
Bagwell played the least important position in terms of defense, so we’re just arguing about the bat. In my book, Bagwell is definitely not better than Gehrig, Greenberg, Mize, Foxx, Musial, or Pujols, and he’s pretty much indistinguishable from Killebrew, McCovey, Thome, Banks, Thomas, McGwire, etc… Then there are the 19th century guys – I have no idea.
well like I said I wouldnt include
half those guys as 1B. I think Bagwell was definitely better than Mac.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
(I honestly don't think there's a "strong" argument to be made
that he’s a Top 5 1B. Top 8? Most certainly. You’re certainly stretching it with Top 5 IMO.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 31, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Bagwell should be a no-doubter.
Edmonds should be a very strong contender, and even for a relatively “small hall” guy like myself, I think his peak is good enough to make it (plus the fact that CF seem to be undervalued by HOF voters).
Both should be in, definitely (and I’ve changed my tune on Edmonds in recent years).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 1, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee played a bigger percentage of his career in St. Louis, too, though
But it’s really hard for me to compare the two in my head anyway.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
the reasoning at the time was (if i remember rightly)
that he had had #5 in Colorado and liked the number, but STL already has a quite well known guy with #5 so he took #15 instead.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
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yeah
he offered Albert a gold watch, but Albert wouldn’t budge
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and jay before him.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like #15 is a slut of a number, always getting around...
the big question, what do we do w/ #5 if Albert doesn’t sign?
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by Supergus on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give #5 to Craig and hope it rubs off?
by chriswallace on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
give it to Holliday
though I’ll be pissed because I have a jersey with 7 on it
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
we're going to need to get creative with numbers
Pretty soon we’ll need ∞, ∞+1, ∞+2, ∞*∞
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Klaw has repeatedly said that he is a fan on Francona, would list him as a good manager
I know thats what a lof of us (me) want
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
Color me lukewarm.
Not opposed, not enthused. His ability to manage egos would be useful with this team. Not sure of his tactical skills or ability to work with the front office to get the right people on the roster, given a smaller budget than Boston had.
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by StanTheManFan on Oct 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be more than happy with Francona
He seems grounded and reasonably intelligent, and I think he’s a big enough name that the players would respect him. I guess he might be more expensive (contract-wise) than most, though. Manny Acta is another guy I have a lot of time for, though not sure how we’d prise him from the Indians.
For me, the main thing is getting Dave Duncan to stay. We’ll see if that works out.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
great, now I'm going to picture him as Inspector Gadget's nemesis
would've.
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the wriggly one one will get serious consideration
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...to DFA TLR
This is what I get for not proofreading.
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And the braves lost to the Yankees in'96
With Torre the year after TLR replaced him
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A couple of things...
1.) Someone seeing this thread’s headline on an SBN main page are freaking the hell out until they get into the second or third paragraph.
2.) I like Oquendo for the job ONLY because of his Latin descent. That could be a strong bond that helps retain Molina and Pujols. That’s not enough of a reason though. Especially when you consider how many times Pujols ignored his orders as a third base coach.
3.) Mike Matheny — he’s raw, yes, as a manager, but he’s smart. I could stand a few years of by-the-books baseball after 16 years of what-the-hell-just-happened baseball. He’s also got a perfect mix of nice guy and stubborn gamer.
4.) Remember that time…when the Cardinals were in the World Series? And then they won the World Series? (Paul McCartney nods) That was awesome.
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#1 made me laugh out loud
but hopefully they don’t think TLR was born in 1996?
I assume no one would really conclude that TLR died at the age of 15 today.
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wait...he's dead?!?!
And he was only 15?!?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
he was Benjamin Button?
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uncofirmed rumours that Tony La Russa, Cardinals manager,
is fifteen years old.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
not in block quotes...
not true…
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scary.
Tony La Russa, St. Louis Cardinals Manager (1996-2011). Had shingles.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
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by SheckieZx on Oct 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't really have any interest in Oquendo
I know next to nothing about the guy and I’m not really sure (other than tenure) why people here seem so keen on him as a manager. Matheny always seemed a smart guy though.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I should add
I too would be perfectly happy with some boring, by-the-book management for a few years.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand way the anti-tlr crowd
wants someone who was tutored under TLR to be the manager
Grit != flat out sucking.
Well I have no attachment to Oquendo
But the anti-TRL crowd is anti-TLR because of TRL, not because his approach to ingame management is bad.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Carson Daily for manager!
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting.
I’m pro TLR because of “TLR,” but anti-TLR because of his, IMO, poor in-game management.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm anti-TRL because of his pro-trading Boog policies, and his control over roster management
I think his in game tactics are decent enough, certainly not good, but not worse than the average manager.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
His in-game tactics are inconsistent, IMO. Far, far too much sac-bunting and, worst of all, not enough playing the best players.
I do think they’re not worse than the average manager, but that is a really low standard. There are major league managers that bat Aaron Miles second for chrissakes.
As for Boog – meh. I would’ve kept him but it wasn’t trading him that was the problem per se, it was the plan to replace him with Theriot. I mean, we could have traded him and then signed JJ Hardy, which would have been fine with me.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't agree more about the give away games but
part of the TLR strategy is to develop players long term throughout the season. Imagine if we came up 1 game short this year because of a thowaway game.
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on the flip side though...
maybe giving some of the lesser players playing time prepares them to play a role in the playoffs?
youneverknow
yea, but sitting 3 or 4 regulars in one game was bs
instead of subbing as you went along; always puzzled me
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...to DFA TLR
I think (playoffs aside) we didn't seem to sac-bunt that much this year
I wonder if it’s possible to compare how many times we did vs other NL teams? I think it’s something he’s got better at in recent seasons, FWIW. We also didn’t steal too much, which I like.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 1, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the anti-TLR crowd -- of which I was a sporadic member -- was irritated by things that were mostly quirks.
I don’t think tutoring means passing on quirks.
“Now listen, Jose, this is the most important thing to remember: always carry at least two white middle infielders who can’t hit. And it’s even better if they can’t really field, either.”
Give Vince a job!
seriously though, the more I hear names thrown around, the more I expect it to be someone like Pop Warner. With the perceived rift between field management and the front office/stats/developmental guys, I don’t think we will see someone who is going to step in and carry on that tradition.
Listened to a bit of MLBN radio picking up lunch and they had a list from call ins: Ozzie, Oberkfell, Pendleton, Oquendo, McGwire, and Francona. I’m sure there were more.
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You need to do some fact checking
In 2004, the club put together an MV3-fueled season that was perhaps the greatest in franchise history. the ’04 club won 100 games and a National League pennant only to be swept in the World Series by the cure-breaking Red Sox.
This never happened.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Oct 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
no, that last part didn't happen
The World Series didn’t happen that year
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by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure it did. The Red Sox won in four games.
We have since gone on to win two World Championships.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I do not recall be
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
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I do not recall a world series in 2004
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Oct 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't that the year they cancelled it?
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I know this.
It is what it is.
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You missed it :(
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A lot of people forget just how much Mark Bellhorn hated "Love Cats".
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Oquendo for player-manager!
I think he’s still got it in him.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
It finally just occured to me why TLR and Oquendo would get along so well
He played every position. He would have been TLR’s dream come true as a player
Wish list - what about Manny Acta?
Pros:
-Employs run maximizing strategies and enjoys funny hats.
-Is from the DR and managed Albert in the 2006 WBC.
FJM likes him:
Manny Acta is actually M.A.N. eACTA, the black-ops code-name for the Mechanized Algorithmic -Numerical (internet-ready) Actionable Computation Techno-Automaton. When his “contract” runs out with the Nats he is going to be launched into space. We are weaponizing space. Deal with it, China.
Cons:
-Has two years left on his current deal
He's not available.
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 31, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
For the right price,
everyone is available.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'd give him a call,
but i really doubt he’d be interested. the nats are on the up-swing.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Is this a joke?
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The Nats?
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i'm going to duck into this corner and laugh at myself now.
i was reading the FJM post when i posted that comment so i short-circuited. the FJM post was from his Nationals days.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm glad Tony is gone
If he stayed around next year, it would only to be to move into second place on the all times wins list. And that’s not something you want to be the reason your manager sticks around.
I’m scared of what comes next. I only have to look at the way Ron Washington managed the World Series to realize, there are some horrible options out there that may end up running our team.
Guess we have to put faith in Mo and DeWitt now.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Agreed
I’ve always been torn about La Russa. He’s infuriating at times, but the success speaks for itself. I’m glad my last memories of the TLR era are this World Series.
Now to hire a new Manager. I’m just barely young enough to not really know what it’s like to be looking for a manager. It’s a funny feeling but will be exciting to follow.
yea, i figure jmo et al have a 50-50 chance of making a good decision
and a 10% chance of making an outstanding decision
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Wow
I think, for the first time in my life, I have mixed emotions about something
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I'm gonna miss LaRussa.
I’m glad he finished on top and showed it wasn’t all about getting to 2nd place all time in wins.
World Series Champions 2011. Unbelievable
He just knows he can't win 40 games next year with this schlub team/lineup...
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
Successful organizations promote from within
Whether it’s sports franchises, companies, charitable organizations, etc. It’s good for continuity. It’s good for morale. Just ask Albert if he prefers Oquendo or Pettini.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
i don't buy this
i think successful organizations work hard to find the best, most qualified candidate, including looking outside the organization. especially when the pool of candidates is ridiculously small as in professional sports
by prophetjohn on Oct 31, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately doesn't look like this is possible - and we have the Cardinals to blame.
Kevin Goldstein looked into this on a great article about Mauer.
According to our historical expert, Steven Goldman, these rules were originated in the late 1920s, all because of Hall of Famer Rogers Hornsby. As a player manager with the Cardinals, Hornsby was given some shares in the organization. At a point later in the contract, Hornsby had worn out his welcome with the Cardinals and was traded to the Giants. At that point, Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis stepped it and forced Hornsby to divest himself from the Cardinals, as playing for one team while owning interest in another was a clear conflict of interest. Hornsby quickly agreed to sell his interest back to the Cardinals, but St. Louis offered him well below the actual value of the shares while insisting it was cash poor. The situation then forced all of the National League to contribute in buying out Hornsby, and in reaction to that less than ideal situation, these rules were born.
Granted there is some gray area in the rules, but seems highly unlikely the Commish would sign off on a complicated ownership structure (especially given the recent messes).
In the old days they could have given Albert a Budweiser franchise upon his retirement
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
A couple-three years ago there was some legally-informed speculation
that a future interest vesting only if AP played out his entire career with the Cards would meet both the letter and the spirit of the RAW.
That said, you might find some owners averse to raising the compensation stakes this way. The decision rests with the Commissioner, but I don’t think even Bud would sign off on this without buy-in across MLB.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
this is an interesting idea
floated by a commenter on the BP post
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yea, best coach is not necessarily going to become the best manager
its a 100M business, and i doubt an inexperienced person would get that responsibility
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
letting a free agent decide coaching moves is not a good idea.
just ask Cleveland.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Good writeup
Small correction on Ankiel – he started a few games in 2001 and then came out of the bullpen a couple times in 2004, I think
Thanks for the memories Tony
Glad for his sake his last memorable action as manager wasn’t the Game 5 bullpen fiasco. And he even gave Cards fans something besides Albert to discuss over the next month. What a guy.
Sure was fun just watching condensed Game 5 of NLCS series
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
kudos to Tony for knowing the time to bow out
I’ve been increasingly more critical of him each season but won me back over just in time to retire. we can say what we want about his eccentric yet dogmatic coaching style, but he almost always showed a lot of class and a lot of poise. I will both miss him and welcome the new era in Cardinals baseball. bye TLR, it was quite a ride, to say the least.
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 31, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
but he almost always showed a lot of class
Not sure I agree with this FWIW. Anyways, bygones.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
most of the time
when he didn’t though, it was childish and lame
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 31, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Or fantastic, as in "YOU THINK . . . ."
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
Welcome back, Ozzie!
I guess that’s the best thing to come out of this. TLR really cemented his reputation ~‘07-09 when he got some contending teams built around AP, Yadi, and some AAA scrubs. Still, many frustrating decisions, and his loyalty to the older players might have cost us a few wins. But his net value to the club was huge, I don’t care who you are, you have to admit that.
Well, I’m glad he gets to go out on top, and I’ll wish him well.
I guess I’m voting for AP as player-manager, Oquendo on the bench, and Matheny to move to 3rd base.
I wonder if Ozzie would manage the team...
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 31, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No way they'd hire Ozzie...
They wouldn’t be able to deal with the issue of firing him if that was necessary.
I'd say 06 should be seen as his greatest achievment
That really wasn’t a very good team, and he pretty much squeezed every last drop of talent out of that group in the post-season.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He was my favorite player as a kid (mainly because of his backflips), but he's earned a reputation as an asshole around St. Louis.
by chriswallace on Oct 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
this is the first time i have ever heard this
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
I tried to do a search and find anything
The most I could find was some guy pissed off that his Ozzie Smith autograph started to fade and thought Ozzie sabotaged his autograph on purpose.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that dude seems crazy
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Yeah I don't get that feeling either.
And I’m from St. Louis.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
I vaguely recall some negative talk about Ozzie from years ago
Relating to his divorce. But that is really it and not that unexpected when people are divorcing.
I've never heard anything negative said about Ozzie Smith as a person by someone not named Tony La Russa.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What has LaRussa said that was negative about Ozzie?
Other than “Royce Clayton will be our starting shortstop”?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
La Russa called Ozzie a liar.
Ozzie called La Russa a liar, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
sounds like a sleepover fight
they’ll hug and make up in the end
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Tuna melts for everyone!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He opened the door for my grandma and I at the discovery zone when I was like 5.
So clearly he’s a great guy!
by KJG-MSU on Oct 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ChrisWallace says he DOES!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Oct 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
chriswallace also told me that busch stadium would be open 3 1/2 hours before gametime
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Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
I think that, for once, there will be something we can all agree on here on VEB
And that thing is: OH MY GOD PLEASE DON’T HIRE BOBBY VALENTINE
by mojowo11 on Oct 31, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
A definite NO to Bobby Valentine.
But if this guy is available, I say we have to seriously consider him.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
he
Would have been #1 on my wish lush if he hadn’t done that. Regardless of the situation its a douche move to your players.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Oct 31, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow
All sorts of mistakes on that one.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Oct 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your name is beer me so your mistake is proper
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
just heard Strauss bring up his name on Bernies show
HELL FUCKING NO!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I honestly didn't see this coming
Hard to come up a good response. My first thoughts are Oquendo and Francona.
Actually also
Joe Maddon is a huge Cardinal fan
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 31, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Cot's
Rays are paying him $1.4 mil, and 2012 is the last year on his current contract. We could double his salary and still save money at the managing position. But I still like Oquendo best.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Oct 31, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby Rasmus.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ba da bing!
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!! update - .341/.430/.621!!!!
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just a guess, but probably a left-handed bat for the infield.
Descalso?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
by EinFesteBusch on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's rather crucial to our plans, FWIW
I’m presuming cash will be tight and Schu/Theriot might both be gone next year. Descalso has a good shot at being the opening day second baseman.
Plus, not sure I’d ever swap a cost-controlled young player for a manager.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
i’m rather high on descalso, for what it’s worth. if we’re punting offense at 2B (which we are), we might as well go with the best defender. descalso offers that and can hit .260ish to boot.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He's gotta learn how to hit soon, though. Without some offensive production, it's tough to start him every day.
by chriswallace on Oct 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
haaaaaaaaave you heard of brendan ryan?
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Descalso's hit for an 87 wRC+ so far in his career
which is basically what Skip and Theriot put up last year. If he can continue to do that (without improving, which I think he might) with slightly above-average defense at 2B, he’s a league average starter.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 1, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
some of our attendence figures
HEY OH!
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
by Aranathor on Oct 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd quite like Maddon
though I hear differing opinions on the quality of his management. I guess he would cost quite a lot as well. If we’re poaching someone else’s skipper I’d maybe go for Acta in preference.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This comment sounds very British in my head.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
I never realized lboros was LBoros and not iBoros
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
corey patterson.
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 31, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh. I mentioned Bannister going into management the other day (on FG).
Wierd coincidence.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Any ex-player that comprehends basic stat concepts is desireable...
barring a total charisma deficit/personality disorder. Or someone like Wash and take the strategy out of his hands. Give him a giant laminated sheet with all the possible in-game moves – like NFL coaches have.
Yep, that was my thought also
basically a manager needs to be:
1) respected by the players (i.e. usually an ex-player)
2) knowledgeable about baseball strategy
I’m guessing the number of people in the world who fulfil both criteria is tiny. Bannister might be one when he retires.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the best idea EVER!!!
Larry, manage this team!!!!! PLEASE!!!
Do we get to vote? Can we bombard the Stl site with emails?
Mo, if you do read this blog, give larry an interview, at least!!!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Ken Tremendous just offered to send Francona's info to Will Leitch
http://twitter.com/#!/KenTremendous/status/131039856179675136
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
It will be very interesting to see the types of roster moves that are made now.
I wonder if post-TLR are much different…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I bet it is an internal hire
Regardless if it is Oquendo or Pop Warner. I think the assistant coaches are too good between Duncan and McGwire to hire an outside guy to take over.
Chris Duncan is saying he'll have his dad and Riggleman on his show today
He will be asking his dad about if he will be staying on and if Riggleman he wants the job
bollocks
Saying maybe bridge a year with Pettini or Oquendo
Then see if they can get Joe Madden later
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 31, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like the idea of Riggleman
I can’t imagine how many times the Cardinals wanted to quit this year (even if they say they never wanted to) but they stuck it out and made it through. The idea of having a manager who quit on his team, doesn’t really instill a great deal of confidence in me.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
plus it's Jim f'n Riggleman
I must be missing something
Yeah, that's where I'm at too.
When did Jim Riggleman become Joe Torre?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
eh, he quit from his bosses
manager is not an elected position
he gave it some time into the season to work out issues he raised over the winter, but it didn’t
once that happened he was smart to quit
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I'd love Warner
seems like a really good, laid-back guy. Think he’d get on well with the players, and has first-hand experience with a lot of the younger guys on the roster. He’s easily my favourite internal option (and IMO the only one we should consider).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 31, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
hear hear!! or here!!
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!! update - .341/.430/.621!!!!
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club.
by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my gosh!
Cannot unsee!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
in his opinion
Gonzo is the best option out there for the cards
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahah
I’m imagining Kurkjians voice coming out of this blue muppet. can’t stop laughing.
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Nov 1, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I said this in another thread,
But I wish Tony LaRussa the best from here on out. You don’t end up 3rd on the all-time wins list by luck or chance. He’s one of the all-time greats, and I hope he has the best life has to offer from here on out.
Next stop for him: Cooperstown.
Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
I don't see a manager coming from the inside
Oquendo will be considered, but I don’t think he’ll get top considerations. I am fairly confident that Tom Pagnozzi and Terri Pendelton are toward the top of the list. Small possibilities would be Van Slyke and Francona. This really could come down to what Pujols wants. Player/manager?
Okay, I can see them hiring someone without major league managerial experience.
but someone with zero managerial experience in the minors and who’s never coached at the major league level in any capacity? No fucking way.
and really….Terri?
In all honesty, I’d put Pagnozzi and Van Slyke right along with Ozzie Smith and Mike Matheney in the no fucking way category.
I’m not a Pendleton fan but at least he has a coaching resume that’s somewhat impressive.
Anyway, I’d probably bet a whole bunch of internet dollars they hire someone who is not a Cardinal legend of some sort unless its Oquendo since it’d just be a promotion for him.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
on a sad note
My chances of becoming the cardinals starting shortstop have gone to shit…
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Oct 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
™
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
more sbned than ever.
should say HFS™
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
Ozzie Smith for Manager!
kidding, sort of. I’d love to have Ozzie back in the organization, and hopefully with TLR’s departure, that’s exactly what we’ll see.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
now this i like.
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!! update - .341/.430/.621!!!!
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club.
by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
(that headline sort of makes it seem like he died)
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
queue the pic that makes it look like that kid we never drafted died
I don’t remember who he is
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This just in!
Tony LaRussa dies today. He was eaten by wolves. They say he was delicious.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Oct 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
...WEREwolves?
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
this should have more recs
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Your wish is my command.
2006, best year of my life. StL Cardinals AND Indy Colts win their championships.
Wolves ate him.....
so now are they ZOMBIE WOLVES????
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
good catch!
it might have been a bit disrespectful, but on the day Gerald Ford passed away, my friends and I spent most of our day calling each other with these.
“Well, you’re the one who wants to take a year-long vacation. What if Gerald Ford dies and you’re gay, then what? What are we supposed to do then?”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
it can't be disrespectful
if it involves imitating Dana Carvey imitating Tom Brokaw. That is the highest form of reverence.
That's the joke.
I did it for Franklin, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Imagine if Boras actually had to negotiate against himself...
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Players' playoff pool - not a small amount of money for these guys, especially the role players.
From MLB playoff FAQ:
Q: How is the players’ playoff pool created and how is it distributed?
A: The Players’ pool is created from 60% of the total gate receipts from the first four World Series Games; 60% of the total gate receipts from the first four games of each League Championship Series; and 60% of the total gate receipts from the first three games of each Division Series. The Pool is distributed as follows: World Series Winning Team: 36%; World Series Loser: 24%; League Championship Series Losers (two teams): 12% each; Division Series Losers (four teams): 3% each; Non-wild Card Second Place Teams (four teams): 1% each. The division of a team’s Players’ pool shall be made by a vote of the Players, in a meeting chaired by the Player Representative.
Here is some quick and dirty math based on wild guesses:
Works out to be about $450k a man. Not too shabby, unless my math or assumptions are way off.
That's some bold numbers you've put forth...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
by TBender on Oct 31, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice write-up, bgh.
Also: CINTRON!!!! (shakes fist)
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Albert Pujols for player manager
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what kind
Of package would maddon and shields. Probably starts and ends with miller.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Oct 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I say we trade them this crazy good outfielder named Stavinoha
by Houdinimachine on Oct 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A SIN AGAINST NATURE THAT HE WASN'T CALLED UP
in Hrabosky and Horton’s opinion
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
FREE GREENE? HOW ABOUT FREE STAVINOHA
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
free stavinoha
from the Cardinals’ system
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Things remembered, but not verified.
About the end of August, maybe a little earlier, people here saying just how lost the Cardinals front office is. That this team is adrift with deep flaws and no clear strategy going forward. One epic comeback and World Championship later, we have an offseason that will be defined by precisely the kind of dilemmas we considered at the end of August. How Mo approaches Tony’s replacement and Albert’s re-signing will show exactly how lost the front office is.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
i wonder if we have any chance of signing pujols before he hits FA now
we probably never did anyway. but we need to hurry up and find a new manager, because i’m guessing pujols won’t want to sign until he knows who he’s playing for.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
we still have exclusive negotiating rights
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't mean he's not a free agent.
but thanks for clarifying, i understand what IHB meant now.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yeah this. my bad.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
PUJOLS FOR PLAYER MANAGER
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I ALREADY SAID IT BUT IN LOWER CASE
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It's true.
UPPER CASE MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Oct 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ouch.
does someone have a complex?
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!! update - .341/.430/.621!!!!
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
OK. I GOT YOU.
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!! update - .341/.430/.621!!!!
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club.
by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
eh, I don't know that this is true
Albert wouldn’t have known who the manager would be for the vast majority of the deal anyway
I would just let Pujols choose the next manager
And then we could cut the deal a little bit.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a terrible idea
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Why?
Apart from a few very good ones and a few very bad ones, managers don’t matter that much at all.
really?
letting a player, one player, choose a manager is just asking for trouble
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Would that even matter?
It’s not like Pujols being the favorite is going to cause any clubhouse tension. If he signs, he’s comitting himself to be essentially the next Musial.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i know we hate clubhouse chemistry as a legit argument here at VEB
but this would led to terrible things in the clubhouse…no way you can give one player that much power
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
didn't boog get traded basically because vets didn't like him?
i always suspected “vets” meant “albert pujols.” what’s the difference? clubhouse seemed fine this year.
he was on carps shit list too.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no evidence to suggest that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Am I misremembering or didn't Carp say he liked Boog?
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Carp wanted Boog on the field when he pitched.
Also, Carp wanted Boog on the field and ready to play when he pitched.
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I guess this makes sense.
He liked Boog as a player but thought his “antics” may have distracted him from being the best player he could be.
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him chewing out Boog in the dugout and not the locker room
and then Boog getting traded for peanuts (subjective); some would call that evidenc.e
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I dislike this characterization of that interaction.
He clearlyed aired a grievance. That being said, if Carp were going to chew someone out, I suspect more yelling would have been involved. Furthermore, Carp appeared to believe he took Ryan out of camera view to the tunnel entryway. It was not intended to be done in public, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's where I was going with this.
Carp was on record saying Boog was the best SS he’d ever had behind him, and wanted him there. One night in Cincinnati didn’t change that.
None of know what happened in the clubhouse, I will admit that, but to say Carp ran Boog out of town is simplistic.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
it would be simplistic
which is not what I said. I said it was an added factor.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't believe i started this with a post about re-signing pujols
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You should be ashamed of yourself for starting this
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It was you!
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how did it turn into a rehashing of the boog drama?!
….wait. this is veb. if a thread gets long enough, it will eventually turn into a rehashing of the boog trade or a rehashing of the colby trade
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Up next...
Apple talk.
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what about more cookie recipes!!!
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
hey did you guys hear that Steve Jobs died?
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It is what is.
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Brian McNamee,
how I hate you. So very much.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We shouldn't have traded Brett Wallace!!!
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Mysterui's mom is lovely!!
…wait… i think i did that wrong…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I think the Rasmus trade was made in poor thought
Discuss.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
this too
it was apparently more than one vet
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
that was a player
not the “leader” of the team…it just seems like thin ice to me
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
the guy called his own hit and run in the world series and then
didnt even bother to swing, just bc he couldnt do anything with the pitch. And no one said jack squat about it.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
this is mostly because
he’s albert fucking pujols.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Why
give up a strike on a ball you have no chance of hitting and putting yourself in an even more difficult count to hit? You don’t swing at something over your head even if a hit and run is called. That would be stupid.
You swing if you have a prayer of making some kind of contact...
I don’t think even Pujols could get the bat on that though…
All that...
is going to happen if you swing at a pitch at head level is miss it….strike 2 or pop it up, then Craig gets doubled off. Makes no sense at all.
unless its going to be an obvious WP, you have to swing
at least try to foul it off or make the catcher delay his throw for a fraction of a second. One strike on the hitter is a lot less valuable than the runner on base
It nearly was
a wild pitch. The catcher had to hop a little to catch it. Doesn’t get much closer than that.
you give up a strike bc they arent as precious as outs.
The guy has ridiculous bat control. The guy can hit behind in the count. He could have fouled the pitch off or at least made the throw to second more difficult.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
And so does the greatest hitter to ever play the game.
Who's
Babe Ruth? Oh the guy that couldn’t match Pujols’ first 10 years?
Quite well.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
the guy who had 10 seasons better than Albert's best
(counter-argument to my own point: this includes defensive contributions and you specified hitter, but wow)
holy shit.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Oct 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And they could have easily kept him as a pitcher as well
And just batted him third. He could gotten something like 250 total WAR. I suppose that would increase the injury risk though.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
well i guess we
should make him player/manager then.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Who is going to ever have problem with Pujols? He’s pretty much reached God status already.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What happens when he's hobbling around hitting .220 and clearly needs to come out?
Is his personally selected manager going to yank him? I doubt it.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Yes, Pujols is likely to hit .220 some time in the next 3 years
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's hurt it's entirely possible.
And he was hitting .245 after the first four weeks of the season this year, genius.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
What were his final numbers again?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just pointing out that
he was hitting .245 after 4 weeks and nobody thought that was possible a year ago.
He’s clearly had problems with his feet and legs the last few years, he’s got an elbow that has some damage to it as well. You can’t predict anything three years out, and many players have been hampered considerably not by one big injury, but by many small ones and inevitably reduce their ability to play at a high level.
At some point, he may not be able to play through these injuries, and a broken wrist might take 8 weeks to heal instead of three.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i don't know which side of this argument i am on yet..
but citing four-week averages is silly. Should TLR have considered benching him?
Nobody would have predicted that he would hit .245 for a month in February
Yet, it happened. Prediction isn’t an exact science because we cannot predict uncommon events. But we still have to make decisions based on those worst possible scenarios when we have the opportunity. Allowing Albert to personally select a manager is a decision that should be influenced heavily by “what-if” analysis.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Albert's so good that
he hit .245 for the month of February?! Wow, I don’t think any other major league player has ever got a hit in February, much less batted .245.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Comprehension
In February, nobody would have predicted that Albert Pujols would hit .245 for the first month of the season.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
it'll be much easier to tell Pujols to take a hike
once he’s 45
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NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
i'm with you on this one.
given that i don’t believe in clubhouse chemistry, nor do i believe in managers mattering much… hell, let him name deidre, and she can crowdsource in-game stuff to VEB gamethreads.
i dont disagree with you, but
I dont think Pujols could possibly have any more or less influence than he already has.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we should just sign Bobby Valentine again
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
because thats what i said
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Why would letting Pujols choose a manager be a bad thing?
Do you think he’d pick a worse manager than Mo?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no clue
but i do know that the manager would know, “oh hai albert, you gave me this job….do whatever you want….and you other players, you mean nothing to me”
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Well, I don't he'd say the other players mean nothing
That’s just ridiculous. He’d certainly make Albert the favorite, but in what universe would Albert not be the favorite anyway? What are you worried about Pujols getting too much playing time?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
but...but...the other players feelings
ehhh.,.maybe you’re right
still seems like a bad idea
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
This is the exact reason why you and I disagree on so many things.
Because you continue to disregard the sociological and psychological portions of the game that are of great importance. If you can’t measure it, by your standard, then it doesn’t exist. That’s bullshit — they do exist, you just can’t measure them. But that’s not the same thing.
It has little to do with who would pick the “best manager”. It has everything to do with letting one player dictate how an organization should run it’s business, especially when that player then has to report and be managed by his personally selected manager. This creates a clubhouse problem. It creates a problem of dissension among other players should the player making the decisions not perform and need to sit down for the good of the team. It leads to a manager/player agency problem, as in: Who works for who? Albert got me this job, so can I then manage Albert like I would any other player? Even if Albert says yes, that’s still a problem with decision making. I’m not going to go down the “what if?” rabbit hole on this discussion, because I think it’s abundantly clear that letting one player choose the manager for a team of 25 players is an incredibly bad idea.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
this is my point
much more eloquently put than was able to
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
I have to deal with accountants all day long
who tell me that if I could just get my employees to do _______ then the company would be more profitable. So I say: "So, do you want to try to get them to do ________ since it’s so damn easy? Because I can sit at a computer and spit numbers out all day long as to what would be the BEST course of action, but implementing that action and enacting change is much more difficult when you have to manage 15 different personalities and all the other external factors that those people have to deal with. They are not automatons that just change on a whim. It takes time and effort to make those changes — they don’t happen overnight.
VEP seems to believe that if you can regress it, you can make it true. But there are extraneous factors and management of personnel is much more art than science. I’ve been doing it for a decade and been pretty successful, but not nearly as successful as the bean counters would like me to be. I do think that were the shoe on the other foot, however, they would have a very difficult time enacting any change at all.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
No -- I would hope that you would have some respect for you managers
That’s not the case where I work — we are a company driven by a group of finance guys, so quarterly and annual P&L is the holy grail. Not that it shouldn’t be important, just that if you want to improve the customer experience, you have to remove the bottom line thinking.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Meeting those annual P&L goals...
give companies larger budgets to spend on customer service… its their job to have a bottom line thinking because that is what their sucess is as employees are held to. I would imagine, you manage, they ‘bean count’ and you meet in the middle…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Or maybe you just have
an asshole finance team… which happens…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
oh i will. it was a very tongue in cheek comment.
i can’t stand people who act like numbers are all that matter and there’s nothing else that goes into it.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This is worst idea you've ever had
and coming from me, that means a great deal.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I would love to argue with you right now, but I have a paper to write
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish
I have to write 4 more pages in the next two hours, goddamnit VEB.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
hurry and start.
two pages an hour isn’t super-easy (assuming it isn’t double-spaced).
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
it is double spaced actually
and it’s philosophy, and i have an outline already. but i’m too tired to concentrate on it.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
is it a general paper,
or on some particular philosopher or world-view, or what?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
It's a paper about the Seventh Seal
I have to explain what the film is trying to tell us.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, right.
did the opening paragraph material i sent you help?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I didn't read it
I just bullshitted something based on the plot synopsis on wikipedia.
I watched the movie yesterday though. It was really, really good. Surprisingly funny.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the last time any one here helps you with homework.
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Lies
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it should be.
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I'm sure you would
and there’s no winning the argument because I can’t provide in statistical proof that you’ll recognize as valid, and all of my evidence will be somewhat circumstantial, so therefore you win the argument be default because you have a spreadsheet that says clubhouse chemistry doesn’t correlate to positive WAR or some such shit.
I have better things to do than argue with someone who thinks that if he can’t measure it that it doesn’t exist.
Like I said, let me know when you manage your first Little League or Legion team. I plan to be there to watch.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Lol
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
can you be the opposing manager and just duke it out at the plate when it's over?
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
free beer in it for the winner.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, our only chance is for the Cubs to go after Fielder and the Nationals to realize they don't have 30 million over 8-10 years for a declining Pujols.
by chriswallace on Oct 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
so you're saying we're not signing him.
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i, for one, would be more than happy to have pujols accept $30 million over 8-10 years to stay with the cards
i mean, roughly $3 million/yr seems like a fair price!
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Oct 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
well, reveling in other people's errors has generally served the cardinals pretty well in these last couple world series
just doing my part.
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Oct 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
rangers E3
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was always going to test the waters.
He’d be crazy not to.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its good for the organization too.
Better to not bid against themselves. This of course implies that the org has concrete evidence of another team’s bid – not falling for the Rosenhaus phone calls to McGahee
Pujols won't announce his decision this year
I’m guessing he’ll let everyone know a week or two before ST starts
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it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
pansies
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Whitey sez
Stop trying to fit the stadium to you. Fit your team to the stadium.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
so.....
Whitey for manager?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Joe Torre is my man
Anyone else? BTW, Chris Carpenter will be pitching coach when Duncan calls it quits.
IHeartIHeartBoog
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i dont see anything good coming from Carp as a pitching coach.
maniacal is good in a staff ace. not as good in a teaching role.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He would probably just call guys pieces of shit until they start pitching better.
Job well done.
by chriswallace on Oct 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could be interesting
shelby miller: Hey Carp, I’m having trouble with this fastball and I don’t think it’ll be good enough to where I can throw with 100%….
Chris Carpenter: Shelby, I really, really don’t give a fuck
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
There's nothing to say that Carp wouldn't be good at it.
Carp is evidently a different person on his days to pitch than the rest of the time. If he’s not pitching but just working with the pitchers he might not be quite so maniacal.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp for attitude coach
Matheny for pitching coach
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Isn't Carp the guy who is identifying whenever the other pitchers are tipping their pitches?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, and noticing Waino was in the wrong arm slot,
etc. He already is the mechanics guy down there, imo.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Shelby Miller: Hey Carp. My curveball's been flat for the past couple games. Any suggestions.
Carp: I have two suggestions. 1) You’re tipping your pitches. 2) I don’t give a f*ck.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
even worse, you're tipping your give-a-fucks
looking at you from a batter’s perspective, I can just see how much of a fuck you’re giving. That’s killing you out there, kid.
by Robth on Oct 31, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would love to see Torre come back
but I can’t remember his original tenure, so maybe we’re in the minority. I don’t think he’d want to leave his job in the commissioner’s office, though.
torre's even older than bobby cox
torre will be 72 next season. he’s gonna be napping by the 5th inning.
by westsidecards on Oct 31, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Torre replaced Whitey who was beloved (and red temporarily)
I didnt live in STL when he managed but I remember hearing he didnt have the rosiest tenure. It was a kind of dont know what youve got till its gone deal after he rolled off rings with the Yankees.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
His tenure was sad, but he didn't have adequate help from FO and ownership
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Garcia: "I don't want to pitch inside"
Carp: “I don’t give a f*** what you want. Pitch inside or get the suitcase treatment. You want to win, or have Samsonite all over your ass?”
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that's pretty funny
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Craig will get his AB's, but it was fun fantasizing that he'd turn into Jeff Kent Jr.
(though Kent wasn’t bad in the field for the first half of his career)
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I could agree with that if Craig were younger,
but he ain’t no kid no more.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
not necessarily a bad thing
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Wait, is Craig2Second referring to him playing 2B or stealing 2B at inopportuned moments in the most important games of his life?
by chriswallace on Oct 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't really blame him for a hit and run that Pujols calls
and then doesn’t pull the trigger on.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know. I thought I remembered Mo himself saying it was a possiblity.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the only death knell for that is Pujols leaving
or Craig getting traded, methinks.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Offical Type A and B free agents released
Pujols Type A (duh)
Dotel Type A
Furc Type B
Jackson Type B
Rhodes Type B
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
WTF?
dotel is type A? that totally sucks.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? We might get compensation.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't we want to do that anyway?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he would totally accept.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he made $3.5M last year.
what’s he going to get in arb, $4M? hell, that’s not bad at all. certainly worth the risk, given the upside of him hoping for a multi-year deal elsewhere, declining, and then we get a pick.
why even take the risk though.
he’d be making four million non-existent dollars to do a job that sanchez, lynn, and salas do better and for free.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your point, but $4M is not an overpay.
My big concern would be that the FA market for RP this year is pretty deep, so I’m not sure there’s enough of a market for Dotel that he’d be confident in getting a multi-year deal elsewhere. But if we do offer him arb, I’m not calling it an obvious mistake.
didnt think about that
seems like the best route
by Redbird99_98 on Oct 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Still downside risk.
The proceeds from a sign-and-trade would be worth less than the picks, by a lot. But better than nothing.
we have
Motte, Lynn, Sanchez, Salas and Boggs. All of whom are younger cheaper and better, except for Boggs. 4 million on Dotel when we need to pay Albert, redo a contract for Yadi work on an extension for Rasmus and sign another LOOGY before working out the bench would be a mistake. Obvious or no.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the guy is going to be 38.
how many teams do you think are going to offer +4 million for a 38 year old RH reliever AND give up a 1st round pick?
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
4M is not an overpay, no.
but it’s 4M we likely don’t have for a job that’s likely already filled.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't he have a $3.75M option?
I don’t think it’d make any sense to offer him arby (unless he’d agreed beforehand to decline).
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 31, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd be ok with it
but there is no way a team will sign him if he has a first round draft pick on his head
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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
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someone might, however
sign him and give up a second rounder. So there could be a market among teams with a protected pick.
i'm sure he is pissed to be a type A
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
yeah, why wouldn't we re-sign him?
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because we have no money.
and sanchez does what dotel can do better and for free.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah I agree
it would be nice if dotel didn’t accept though, but we probably can’t take that chance.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
offering arb to some of these guys is critical though
because we pick last in the draft
we need those supplemental picks
i’d liike to see do tell stay on some 2 yr deal for 4M or so
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i keep forgetting about sanchez!
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looked like it was still attached in that game at Houston.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
well
Motte, Sanchez, Salas, Lynn and Boggs makes 5. plus Rzep and LOOGY X makes 7.
Now i wouldnt mind moving Boggs, which I think could be more likely if Dotel is type A.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because we don't actually want to pay him to pitch.
We want (although we actually don’t want; see thread) to offer him arbitration, which he’d decline (though he wouldn’t; again, thread), and then we get draft picks.
well, no way we get a draft pick for dotel
but furc and jackson+draft picks…woohooo!
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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
dotel's type A and jackson is not.
this system is broken.
by Pegasus on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
getting?
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i mean, how many relievers in the world are worth a first-round pick?
i’m going to go out on a limb and say zero.
Rafael Soriano would like a word.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
La Russa Quote
“We went through the season and I felt that this just feels like it’s time to end it and I think it’s going to be great for the Cardinals to refresh what’s going on here. I’m looking forward to what’s ahead. I’m ready to do something different. Oh yeah, and Viva El Birdos, you haters, you sabermetric motherfuckers, fuck you. Go fuck yourself.”
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Oct 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 19 recs
rec'd
so hard, this is rec’d
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
great, now i have to go watch the departed
that’s like 3 hours of my life!
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by YesWeOquendo on Oct 31, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My list:
1)Oquendo
2) Francona
3) Maddon
4) Trammel (with the DBacks currently)
5) That guy with the Phillies organization that the Cubs really want
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by Reynolds rapper on Oct 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Honestly, if Oquendo is on the list, the rest of the list probably won't
matter.
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by Reynolds rapper on Oct 31, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Vivaelpujols' list of preferred managers:
1) David Gassko
2) Pujols
3) Hazel
4) Ozzie Smith
5) Frank Black
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i'm on the hazel bandwagon as well
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
I dunno...
I’ve heard that Frank Black is a definite sabr-oriented guy.
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by Vindicator9000 on Oct 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You're in the 10%, sorry.
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yeah, i specifically remember you claimed that yourself,
fink.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Are you David Gassko?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow that's cool
He’s one of my favorite writers. What’s he doing now?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm reading through the comments and looking throughout twitter
and i don’t get it. Why is everyone so high up on Oquendo?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 31, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
familiar face, i guess.
he has no real qualifications whatsoever.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
He has lots of qualifications.
I have no real qualifications whatsoever. Jose Oqeundo, lifetime baseball man, has plenty.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
yeah, my statement was a little outlandish.
hyperbole is a type of metaphor
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
3B coach is a common launching pad.
And I mean, years of working closely with a guy who, love him or hate him, was one of the winningest managers of all time… that’s a qualification.
Didn't he get a couple of managerial interviews recently?
That has to mean he’s at least somewhat qualified.
baseball good; english not so much
too much pr i the manager job these days, is what i think has hurt him
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
If they want to keep Duncan and Mac around...
don’t they have go with an internal hire? Is a Francona just going to accept the coaching staff?
I also agree with this Mac, I think demonstrated himself to be pretty good this year
Especially in the postseason it seemed that the Cards took some very good at bats.
Default choice for people who want to keep the status quo
Could be other candidates who would conceivably do the same, but I suspect keeping the status quo is the main motivation for the Oquendo contingent.
Thanks, Tony
There’s no greater testimony than how highly your players thought about you. Best wishes to you and your family.
i sent dewitt my resume today.
think i got a shot at an interview?
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
dammit this means Duncan's gone too
the Colby trade just looks worse & worse now. thanks a lot TLR. i hope you’re happy
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WE WON THE WORLD SERIES
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
wat
how does tlr leaving have anything to do with the colby trade
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you realize if we hadn't made that trade, we almost certainly would not have won the WS, right?
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you'll feel a lot better when you do.
i let go of the boog trade. it was hard.
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I bet Duncan's decision will be totally based on his wife's health and his own desires.
He has stated publicly that he and TLR are not a package deal, and he has a contract for next year. If Dunc wants to stay, he will. That said, I bet he’s gone, but TLR isn’t the reason. Also, I bet TLR is quite happy.
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by a fink on Oct 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm more worried about his wife's health than him staying as pitching coach
i assumed he was going to quit because of her, this just reinforces my thinking. i hope she can recover. not so Dave will stay, but so they can live & enjoy their retirement years
Balls
veb doesn't know how to be happy
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wow.
how old are you?
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and it's not that i wasn't, and am not, extremely happy about the championship
i was at the game, teared up a little (confetti got in my eyes, guys!), all that.
it’s just how my mind works. i move on to “okay, what’s next” very quickly.
I think you can be happy about winning the World Series
and focused on what it takes to repeat at the same time
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
those were meant as 2 different statements.
Wow – im surprised you still werent in the afterflow +12 hours later.
How old are you? I was wondering if you were old enough to live through 85 and 87 and have to wait until 06.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, unfortunately I'm accustomed to sustained success.
My family moved to downstate IL (from Nebraska, meaning I had no established baseball loyalties) when I was 12, and I got serious about the team circa 2000.
well yeah.
waiting 20 years is a long time. Im still on the honeymoon. 06 only lasted a month or so. Im going to make sure i appreciate this until at least xmas.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Because TLR
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by TBender on Oct 31, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Go respond to my FB message questions, jerkface, or jerkass or assface or whatever it was you have dubbed yourself.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Damn it fink, just e-mail me!
I hardly ever check my book of faces.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I was a very strange little girl, what with my obsession with baseball.
And as much as I was a Cardinals fan, I had room in my heart for the Oakland A’s who were managed by Tony La Russa. I loved Tony, though I rarely got to see A’s games of course. He really made an impression on me. I was thrilled when he became the Cardinals manager in 96.
While I am happy he’s going out on top, and a part of me is sad to see him go, I’m mainly relieved. I’m relieved I don’t have to watch his brand of managing anymore. I love ice cream, but ice cream at every meal is usually a very bad thing, and that is how I came to feel about Tony. His antics were great until they weren’t. Game 5 was the most senior of senior moments I’ve ever witnessed in sports and it’s probably best we don’t see TLR: The Dementia Years.
This certainly makes the off-season a little more exciting, no?
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Oct 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Already has.
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Thanks to everyone going to the trouble of articulating my thoughts.
Twas so happy when TLR came from Oakland.
Most fascinating offseason I’ve experienced getting underway…
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 31, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan Patrick keeps nibbling around this angle to the retirement; cites undisclosed health reasons speculation
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
speculating on something undisclosed
sounds credible
by Redbird99_98 on Oct 31, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That's DP for you
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
as did I
Weird how closely Stl. and Oakland A’s seem to be connected
Baseball was designed to break your heart
Oakland is kind of like San Francisco's East St. Louis...
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by peppermartin on Oct 31, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
starting the Hot Stove with a bang
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone seems to have had that moment in the TLR era
Where you realized the “genius” label was applied to some ridiculous overmanaging by writers who only observed him from time to time, and in that small sample size, witnessed more successes than failures.
My moment came in game 3 of the 2001 NLDS against Arizona.
by olddomination on Oct 31, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of a crazy weekend, you guys
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I heard you got divorced!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I probably need to double check this
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How's SKC doing?
did they win a world series or anything?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
We won 2-0 yesterday in the first leg of a home-and-home playoff series
We if we lose by less than 2 on Wednesday, we advance to the conference finals, which will be at home
If we win there, then we go to Los Angeles for the MLS Cup Final!
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nice!
how’s attendance been? I know several people that are very excited about SKC, but that would only be 7 or 8 fans… I’m not sure, but I bet that would not be enough.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
We average 17,700 for a stadium with 18,500 capacity
The last 4 or 5 games have been complete sellouts, going into SRO
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that's awesome!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Yeah, the atmosphere is incredible
I drove the Denver this weekend since we were playing the Rapids, and they had MAYBE 5,000 fans there? And our visiting supporter’s section was just as big as their home supporter’s section
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I heard we won the World Series
sources unconfirmed
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 31, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I couldn't find it on the TV.
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by Reynolds rapper on Oct 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
See, I watched most of the game at the party I was at
And I definitely watched the last few outs and then the celebration of it. But I have no recollection of it
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so crazy you put a bunch of players with bye weeks in your lineup
MWAHAHAHA
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This is honestly the worst smacktalk ever
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well you did me a big favor.
i’m really thanking you more than anything
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shit, i kind of forgot i was commishing our league.
i will fix rui’s lineup.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Retroactively?
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what. that seems really unfair
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yeah, you shouldn't do this, fang. It's each manager's responsibility to tend their own lineup.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
i was mostly joking.
but in the league with a bunch of my buddies i try and set everyone’s lineup if it becomes evident they aren’t going to set it before games begin on sunday. i think it keeps competition at the highest level in terms of both results and integrity.
that said, i’ve never done it after the fact. and i don’t really plan on starting.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
its a slippery slope
someone could always then say, oh hey i forgot to switch out pierre garcon for victor cruz, can you fix that too?
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yep. Best solution is to do nothing, but don't invite back managers who make a habit out of not setting their lineups.
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you have this thing called a phone. it is in your pocket all the time.
use it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I WAS TOO BUSY DRUNK TWEETING TO CHANGE MY LINEUP
Also I was driving
Those were two separate events
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No no
Friday night I was drunk tweeting
Saturday I drove to Denver
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...seriously?!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
...yes?
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Sporting KC played Colorado in a playoff game
Got free tickets from work, stayed with friends in Colorado Springs. No reason not to be spontaneous and make that drive
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wifey go with?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and my best friend
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fair enough.
still, long drive.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
8 hours right down 70
Being young’s the time to make random ass road trips, right?
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I'm leaving for PCB at $:30 tomorrow morning
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by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I am leaving at dollar thirty.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh you americans
and your crazy times
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Enjoy your drunkeness and your golf!
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speed thorough the hell known as kansas?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess
Both drives were at night so not a whole lot to worry about
I got a speeding ticket on the way back though =(
Apparently, in Calhan, CO, the speed limit goes from 65 to 55 to 45 to 35 in a span of a quarter mile!
Assholes
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have you never driven on a highway through a town?
gotta pay attention to that shit. they will nail you every time.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, never have
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st louis to colorado springs
most boring drive evar
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
saturday i flew to phoenix. super hungover.
and i still managed to make a lineup
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in fairness...
it took him probably 2.5 times as long to drive to denver than it took you to fly home.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i had to stop in omaha.
but yeah.
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what a random layover.
god bless flying SWA out of STL.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no internet service either
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you're a lawyer
i think you can afford the $7
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no i mean i literally could not get service on my phone whilst in omaha.
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ohhhhh
freakin’ omaha.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i would never do that retroactively.
the only time i mess with rosters is when i proactively see that someone left someone in their starting lineup that’s on a bye OR one of my buddies texts me before noon saying they can’t get to a computer but they forgot to switch player X with player Y because they forgot player X had a hamstring.
and i only ever do it for players already on the roster. so, had i caught rui’s failures before noon yesterday, i would have:
subbed gronkowski out for gonzo. subbed pierre thomas for shonn greene. and subbed rice for jennings. he still would have been down a receiver because he had no one to put in that spot, but those three moves would have added 30 points and, yes, been enough to overtake you. which seems fair considering you’re about to post a win with 67 freaking points scored.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i know, that's why its so awesome!
makes for that time i scored 120 points and got a L
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This causes grapes. Sour ones.
Patching from the bench isn’t fair to all the other teams. What if I play someone who doesn’t happen to have an extra WR on their bench, but IHB does? There’s no way to do it fairly.
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like i said...
i limit it to only obvious moves that the manager would have made had they been paying the least bit of attention. if you didn’t have an extra receiver, well that’s shitty bench construction. it hasn’t been a problem in my other league.
and it goes both ways. aren’t you at least sort of pissed IHB is going to post a 67 point win?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, there are always people on the FA wire, so lineup construction isn't a big deal.
And no, I’m not pissed IHB will post a 67 point win. I’m pissed Rui (or whomever it is) didn’t set their roster.
It gets really hairy when you say “I’ll make this kind of change, but not this kind,” because invariably some teams will win or lose based on your decisions, and it shouldn’t be that way.
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I was really busy!
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but i don't make decisions.
i make obvious results-based moves that any levelheaded person would make if they were paying any sort of attention.
but i agree with that notion that everyone loses when someone isn’t paying attention. except, in this case, IHB.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
(a subtext here is that my opponents in each of the last 2 weeks have left spots open)
A scenario:
1. What just happened between IHB and Rui, but you fixed Rui’s team and he won.
2. In week 10, Rui is playing me. Flacco tore his ACL in week 9, and Tebow is no longer starting, and I quit paying attention. You can’t fix my team because there’s no 3rd QB on my team, yet there are several decent options on the FA list. Rui beats me by 3 points.
Rui then goes on to eke out the last playoff spot over IHB by 1 game.
What would IHB have to say about all of this, and would her complaints be reasonable?
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you have an extreme situation.
and i would correct your roster with free agents if it had become apparent that you had not touched your team in several weeks.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd add FA's?
Which one? And then that FA wouldn’t be available to IHB when her QB gets decapitated by James Harrison!
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also, I'm definitely not giving you crap just for the sake of it here.
I’ve been a ff commish for 11 years, and it’s pretty clear that the best solution is to do nothing except try to get together a group of managers who pay attention every week.
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i know you're not.
but i think you’re creating a very unlikely string of hypotheticals to prove your point. valid? maybe. likely? hell no.
and yeah, managers who manage their teams are the best. but if they quit managing their team someone has to step in.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Something very much like that has happened in a league I've been a part of.
It did not go over well.
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why can't you just let the people who actually pay attention win?
but if they quit managing their team someone has to step in.
seems like this would be the best option.
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I was really busy!
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lack of integrity.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well think about it now.
IHB won last week because you didn’t fix.
What if Rui is busy next week , but you DO fix it, and he beats, I dunno, Fritz.
And then IHB beats Fritz by 1 game to make the playoffs?
See what happens? This is not all that unlikely, btw.
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i'm consistent.
since i haven’t done it all season i won’t start now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that's reasonable!
But I hear that Fritz is still pretty sort over the whole affair.
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Only after $:94 on Wednesdays though
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GO SCREW YOURSELF
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you're damn right they would be!
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No kidding.
The Nippon-Ham Fighters bounced out of the Climax Series in two games? Who saw that coming?
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maden, Francono, Pop Warner, i'd be happy with any of those
i wonder who’s on Mo’s list he’s kept in his office all this time?
Balls
I hope he doesn't mix up his "Possible Cardinals managers" list
with his “Girls who might think I’m cute” or “Funny names for pets” lists.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
When she did find the list of girls
He just said it was the “funny names for pets” list.
by olddomination on Oct 31, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
well.. I like to think he won't play if he manages
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i saw a guy in a Lilliquist jersey
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be the one to say it
Perhaps this would be the time to align the management and the organization the way it is headed.
Carp and Berk are only here 2 more years.
Pujols may be not coming back.
Outside of Yadi and Holliday, the Cardinals are a tad younger and will be getting younger in the rotation.
Maybe the next manager should reflect that and not who can best manage the 2012 team.
If they were going to do something like that, this would be the time with the good faith they have built up from this win.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think they're doing a good job of straddling old and new approaches.
It just makes for a lot of fan tension.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
this is what I think will happen
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My only preferred qualifications for our next manager, albeit arbitrary
1) Under age 60
2) Haven’t had a laughingly bad managerial career to the point where I question the mental state anyone who suggests them as a viable candidate
This eliminates at least three prominent names I’ve seen floated around
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i still can't believe he quit on his own, my conspiracy theorist alarm is going off
there has to be more to the story than we’re hearing. there’s no way he’d walk away so close to #2 on the wins list.
Balls
My favorite new theory:
Which I’m stealing from a poster at RR, of all places:
Tony LaRussa is the dark horse candidate the GOP has been waiting for.
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
what's the theory, though?
that it’s known within the org that Pujols isn’t coming back, and he was pissed? or some health thing?
He's 67, fought the shingles earlier in the year
and just won an improbable World Series. Does there really need to be anything else?
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He said he decided in August.
I think this season took a toll on him and BONUS he gets to go out on top anyway.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
it's the telling Mo in August thing that really feels weird to me
that’s completely out of character for TLR isn’t it?
Balls
He had shingles half the season.
It whooped his ass and he was probably feeling his age for once.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
but he's always said he never makes up his mind during the season
he waits till the end & asks everyone, including himself if he wants to come back.
i’m sure his age & health are a factor. just not sure how much
Balls
I don't see how, really.
He felt like he was done and wanted to give them plenty of time to work on his replacement.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Who within the org is acting shocked?
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not seeing it.
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
dammit the PD changed their story already
there was a quote in there where Mo said he was shocked
Balls
When Tony told him in August?
That seems reasonable.
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Im pretty shocked by it. I thought TLR
Would stick around as long as we have Albert and Dunc. I think you may be right, there may be more to it. I would not be surprised at all to see TLR take a year off then get a job elsewhere, as a manager or in a team’s FO. I just cant see the guy staying away from baseball completely for all that long.
by mick311 on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he didn't quit
if you didn’t notice, we won a world series. He just decided that this was his last year. Never before has he decided that he wasn’t going to stop managing baseball.
Grit != flat out sucking.
he told them he was done after the season, in words for us normal people
he put in his two week notice. so yeah he didn’t technically quit in August
Balls
TLRDGAFA#2OTWL
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't really make sense to me at all.
I honestly doubt he cares that much about being #2 on wins. If anything, I’d believe he’s stubborn enough to not care about it just because people think he should care about it.
WWCD? CDGAF.
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It's like a completely different site inside the TLR is retiring fanpost.
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I went over how good my predictions usually turn out in the previous thread
so I’ll go with ONE BILLION PERCENT.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe they didn't wait until Wednesday to announce this.
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Dammit! That was my first thought after I processed the news.
I forgot all about it by the time I was able to log onto VEB.
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at the risk of sounding like an idiot.
what’s the significance of wednesday?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
That the day that the world conspires against the red baron's post.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Pujols will probably sign a Cardinal breaking contract early Wed morning.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm so glad that our final moment of TLR is my favorite.
What a professional and classy way to go.
-The day after the parade, giving the org the biggest possible window to replace the field manager position.
-Recognizing that accomplishing #2 winning-est manager is a terrible reason to come back.
-Not burning any bridges, as he has in the past.
-The World Series
Well left Tony LaRussa
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by YesWeOquendo on Oct 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
absolutely agree.
hate or love his field managing, this is the absolute classiest way to go out.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
@dgoold Derrick Goold
Word from MLB is that the mgr for All-Star will be commissioner’s pick. Could be new #STLcards skip, could be Roenicke. (h/t @MatthewHLeach)
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Isn't there a precedent for letting the team's new manager do it?
I vaguely remember this happening a few years ago, but can’t remember who.
That was my first guess,
but no, Girardi’s first year was ‘08, so Francona would’ve managed the team that year. I may have made this whole scenario up in my head. The only weird recent one is Dusty Baker managing the ’03 ASG after moving from the Giants to the Cubs in the offseason.
Dusty Baker was the manager in 2003 even though he was with the cubs then.
that’s an oddity.
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(if thats how they did it then)
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe TLR will come back for the ASG
A double switchers paradise. 8 pitching changes
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, somebody's got to send Aaron Rowand up there to pinch hit instead of Pujols
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Wow, aramis ramirez declined the cubs' $16 million option
16 million??? His must really want out of Chicago.
that actually might be bad for us.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
very
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by YesWeOquendo on Oct 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
right, they'll sign Pujols and Fielder to play first and third.
DAMN!!!
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I couldn't even hate them if that happened
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I have no idea what their outfield looks like though, so third base is unlikely.
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He can get more on the market
Not to mention a contract for multiple years
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That and yeah, he doesn't want to be in Chicago anymore
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
living in chicago, i end up watching more of their games than i'd like
and yeah, aramis has looked horribly disinterested in baseball the last few years (FA push notwithstanding). i think it got to him.
i don't see anyone giving him 16+
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by YesWeOquendo on Oct 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But more years
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but so what?
just get years next season in free agency
how does turning down 16,000,000 help his situation?
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by YesWeOquendo on Oct 31, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
because the 3B market is so thin
he could get a 4-5 year contract at 10 AAV
ah
i didn’t consider that, it’ll be interesting to see what turning down that option gets him
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by YesWeOquendo on Oct 31, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
out of the Cubs organization thats what
the guy has spent his whole career within the Pirates and Cubs organizations, I’d be getting the hell out of Dodge too. Maybe find somewhere with a better chance to win even if its for a little less cash, less day baseball, less shitty weather, etc.
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
he's 34 next year, 3 years is probably the most he'll see.
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I think it's more about not wanting to be on the Cubs
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
hes not looking for AAV
just total dollars on his last contract. And he probably hates the cubs.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This picture looks scary...
instead of the awesome that it really was.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Holy Shit - Carp's been decapitated.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrus is looking back because...
Carp is saying "I don’t give a f*ck about my heading being connect to my body. You piece of sh F*ck no!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Oct 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
what the heck just happened?
I think I passed out while I typed that.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I say
hire Taguchi.
The smiles shall blind opposing pitchers and lead us to glorious Japanese victory!
2006, best year of my life. StL Cardinals AND Indy Colts win their championships.
and he can fly!
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by SheckieZx on Oct 31, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
And he'd always win arguments with umpires.
How could you refuse someone who always bowed before a disagreement?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
one thing is for sure
fucks will not be given
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Oct 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The hurricanes name is also Ditka.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
No announcments about Cards' options (Furc and Dotel) yet
although Furc is certain to be declined ($12mil)
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone think the Walking Dead is becoming predictable?
i saw last night “shocking” twist coming a mile away
Balls
Are they really zombies?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
no spoilers, or azru will delete your post again.
or was that danup.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
the zombies are actually aliens
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its zombie show (which I like)
its hard for anything in that genre not to be predictable. Everyplace you think is safe isnt. Theres always more zombies. The zombies always win.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i've joined the camp it's moving too slow, i guess firing Frank Darabont was a big deal after all
Balls
season 1 was pretty freaking slow too.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
they camped out and then went back to get some guns and finally almost got blown up. I thought it was pretty slow.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
plus it has some of the worst dialogue and acting and dumbest characters
you’ll find in anything ever.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 31, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i kind of like the characters. most of them.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
OT
im enjoying Homeland. It’s a pretty good show.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
at first i liked it bc of Winters from Band of Brothers
but the more Ive watched it, the more I like. Not as cheeky as 24 but similar vibe.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm 2 episodes behind but so far I really like it
Interesting storyline, flawed characters, suspense
while i saw it coming, too, i'm still glad it happened
without approaching spoilers, i’ll say that they needed to do something like that, pretty bad
i think in between season 2&3 they need to do a prequil movie
and show just what happened in the hospital after he was shot & how the zombie apocalypse started in the first place. i mean honestly, how long was he in the hospital for if he’s shot & then a week or two later all hell breaks lose? he had to have been in a coma for months right?
Balls
that's the idea, i think
and i dunno, the show seems to be pretty firmly focused on the “what now?” aspect of the zombie apocalypse. i don’t think it’s interested at all in how it happened, to the extent that the show doesn’t even care if the beginning makes any sense. every question would get shrugged off with “there were zombies, and then X.”
which i’m fine with. the granular thematic focus on Survival works, if they do it well (not convinced they can, but we’ll see).
I didn't care for last nite's episode from the fact that
half of it was them running around in pitch black. Made it hard to see what was going(when anything was going on).
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
so what would everyone's zombie weapon of choice be?
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
too much potential for zombie juice to get in your eyes
or mouth (and thats what she said).
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
I’ll go with the thunder cannon.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
the sun and decomposition.
if not that… zombie catapult.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
napalm
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Siberia's winter
Lets see what a frozen zombie can do
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
lockjaw is a bitch for a zombie
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
boom stick
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fungo
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How about that camper?
That dude was hilarious
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Guy from Love Actually was a ghost the whole time?
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is that the same ghost from 3 Men & A Baby?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Kevin Spacey is Keiser Soze
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that was so obvious
i didn’t enjoy that episode at all, the whole kid getting shot storyline just sucks
why don't zombies eat each other?
do zombie brains taste different than eventual zombie brains? the undead hordes don’t really seem to be the picky types
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by YesWeOquendo on Oct 31, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
no.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
they would probably explode anyways
with all the gasses and such buidling up in their decomposing bodies. A zombie apocalypse would end in a very gross fashion.
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zombies are like the most boring form of the undead
I don’t get the craze
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 31, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What a pissy article
1996 was the first of postseason failures for the Cardinals?
Until TLR, the Cards were the most successful NL postseason team, and second best regular season record in the NL.
Only NL team to win 3 pennants, and tied with Florida for two WS wins.
Over the last 12 years, the Cards have averaged 91 wins.
And yet you think that Brendan Ryan and Colby Rasmus and Jeff Tabaka define his 16 seasons here? What a pissy attitude.
And besides the screw-ups with Atlanta in 1996 and swapping the wins in 2004 and 2005, you also got the Ankiel info wrong too—he did pitch again in the bigs, in 2001 and 2004.
So you got the facts and the tone wrong, and missed the full impact of his 16 seasons here.
Cards fans deserve better than this trashy write-up.
Dave
I agree
I paid way too much to read this shit
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by mysterui on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I say we should take a large portion of his salary
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by westsidecards on Oct 31, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
HI ANDY
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by tehzachatak on Oct 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude just keeps getting back in.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahaha
cut back on the coffee, dude.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
hehehehehehehehe
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Oct 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
um.
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
to be perfectly clear,
at least sydney can string together sentences. that guy couldn’t.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
YOU'RE A STRUNG TOGETHER SENTENCE.
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Your face is trashy...
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And as usual, Dave
You seem willing to write off, excuse, forgive his every mistake.
“And yet you think that Brendan Ryan and Colby Rasmus and Jeff Tabaka define his 16 seasons here? What a pissy attitude.”
They don’t define it, but you can’t white wash them away, Dave. But if the critics seem unwilling to grant him any credit, you seem utterly unwilling to concede any of his mistakes.
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i can't do that dave
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Oct 31, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that works so well
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
do you know dave
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 31, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I know Dave
He was a long time poster over at birdsonthebat.org. I’ve met him in person.
Smart fellow, knows his sabermetrics. But not quite rational where La Russa is concerned.
"I have discovered, in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck
That's a very interesting occurence
There seems, to me, to be a dichotomy between sabers and diehard TLR-apologists
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TLR did some saber-friendly things, though.
It was hard just to tell when it was a happy accident, and when it wasn’t.
See 2011 postseason bullpen usage; but see 2011 April/May bullpen usage.
True enough
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they're coming out of the walls!
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
What the fuck is a win share
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by tehzachatak on Oct 31, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
something from the pages of history
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Like VORP, but sideways.
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by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
here is a real answer:
A win share represents one-third of a team win, by definition.1 If a team wins 80 games in a season, then its players will share 240 win shares.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
...I actually knew what one was
They’re just so outdated that I decided to make jok
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But thanks!
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i don't really care.
now i’m re-reading a bunch of bill james’ stuff, which is always fascinating. so thank you for giving me something to do this afternoon!
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
he and lboros got into it
because he thought lboros was “criticising” la russa. so dave is nothing if not consistent. #joemorgan’d
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
also, lboros pretty much nailed it:
to take a current example: the cardinals could, if they chose, go into the off-season on the assumption that colby rasmus will be their everyday centerfielder in 2009 — just hand him the job, and base other roster decisions off that assumption; i suspect that’s how herzog would play it. tony doesn’t operate that way; he’ll force rasmus to elbow his way into the mix. the kid will eventually do so, and tony will get credit for giving rasmus an opportunity. but some people will still question how that opportunity gets extended; they’ll question whether the team might have been better off commiting to the youngster early on, instead of keeping redundant resources on hand and forcing rasmus to claw his way to the top of the heap.
And I stand by what I wrote then (good find, by the way)
When the last outs of 2011 were made, how many guys were on the field that had only played in the major leagues for TLR?
Seven of them; Descalso, Jay, Schu, Albert, Craig, Motte, Yadi.
In fact, the only guys who touched the ball in the 9th inning of Game 7 were all system guys—guys who ALL got their chance from TLR.
And two other Cardinal system guys had a pretty big role in the win, Freese and Lynn.
So Tony had problems with Rasmus; given Rasmus’ comments to the Toronto papers I can sure see why. So maybe the problem was Rasmus and not TLR?
But he didn’t have any problems letting Jay earn a job, or Yadi, or Albert, or Freese, or Motte, or Lynn, or a host of others.
Dave
Tony doesn't really get credit for "giving guys their shot"
He isn’t in player acquisition or development. Good players are given to them, he does not create them. And I’m supposed to be impressed that players that were dominant in the minors were “given a shot” by LaRussa? It’s his JOB to play good players. The fact that Motte was pitching to Yadi and that Murphy flew out to Craig has almost nothing to do with LaRussa.
Somehow, teams across baseball manage to call people up from their minor league systems and insert them into the lineup entirely without the help of Tony LaRussa every single year. Is this some kind of divine miracle?
He doesn't?
But he gets the blame when the Cards trade Rasmus or Ryan?
Sounds real fair to me.
In the 8th inning of Game 7, TLR could have stuck with Dotel. But he didn’t; he went with Lynn, who had given up 3 runs the night before.
If I have read (or heard) the Tony doesn’t like young players nonsense once I’ve heard it a thousand times—and yet in the 8th inning of his last game as a manager, he called on a guy with 34 regular season innings in the ML, a converted starter, to face the 3/4/5 guys in the Texas lineup.
Worked out pretty well, didn’t it?
So as I wrote in 2008, Tony has a long history of giving young players a chance, unlike his reputation.
And Game 7 was just one more example.
Dave
I'm not arguing that Tony has a history of not giving players a shot
I’m arguing that his job description is to give players a shot, so patting him on the back for it is ridiculous. What would be a problem is if he were doing things that weren’t his job, like trashing his players in the media or having a hand in them being traded out of town for personality reasons. You know. Small stuff like that.
What is going on here
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cats and dogs, living together.
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fanposters finally discovered the main page posts?
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Hello Rich
Long time, no speak.
I don’t white wash the “mistakes” away. The bunting drove me crazy.
But as I have written before, the record speaks for itself. I judge a manager, a GM, or a CEO on the totality of his or her record.
And for every Brendan Ryan or Colby Rasmus there are 25 players that played for TLR that seemed to get along with him just fine.
In 33 years of managing, Tony’s teams made the “final four” 12 times—or roughly once every three seasons. Of those 12 teams, 6 won a pennant, and 3 won the WS—which is exactly in line with what the math suggests.
And I hope you are well….
Dave
Finally, someone defends TLR
I’m getting tired of all these articles on the internet taking down TLR. He’s a winner, what is wrong with all of you?
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by lightbulb on Oct 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
zombies....
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i may merit badge this for the work
would've.
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it's magic
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would've.
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listen to Kevin Slaten badmouth TLR for the first segment of his show
i couldnt even listen to the whole segment, the guy is such a dumbass…example, he said TLR had the best National League roster with one or two exceptions every year he was here, so he should have been in the playoffs more (9 out of 16 years wasnt good enough I suppose). I guess he doesnt remember 97-99, 07-08. Ugh, look at how embarrassingly bad that 97 roster is…
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 31, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU DON'T KNOW ME JOKER
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by scoot on Oct 31, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What does "pissy" mean, Dave?
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i think he is saying that you have peepee pants.
which is different from poopy pants, only because you are not a baseball player.
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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
How about this definition
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pissy
Try definition #1.
You’re glad that he’s gone; fine. A fair number of people on these boards I’m sure share your opinion.
But he was also the most successful manager in the club history and I think he deserved a much fairer tone than you provided.
Dave
Sorry, Dave.
I thought this was pretty fair:
And so it is at the peak of his profession that Tony La Russa has decided to leave the storied Cardinals franchise. La Russa’s has been a tenure marked by feuds with players such as Scott Rolen, Colby Rasmus, and Brendan Ryan, playoff collaps such as 1996 and 2004, and improbable championship runs in 2006 and this season. La Russa leaves first in St. Louis Cardinals franchise history in managerial wins and third in MLB history in the same category. La Russa is human, flawed like us. For every trait to be admired—tenacity, inteligence, appreciation for tradition—there is one to be disliked—stubbornness, rudeness, arrogance. Ours is a relationship that has run its course. I’m happy to see him go, especially after our eleventh World Series title, and I wish TLR the best.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's the equivalent of
“don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out”.
That's a very interesting perspective.
I specifically set out to avoid a TLR love fest. Instead, I attempted to tie my personal experience as a fan to his reign as manager, to touch on the good and the bad. All in an attempt to paint a full picture of his tenure; that is, to give a fair assessment. Following TLR-managed clubs has been far more interesting than the air-brushed “genius” articles that have popped up today. It was not all genius and winning. Fourteen of his sixteen seasons ended in a loss—three with three or more consecutive losses in the playoffs. The ‘03 and ’10 clubs underachieved spectacularly. The ’04 and ’09 clubs also disappointed greatly. That’s reality. He also was able to manage two improbable playoff runs that ended in World Series titles. It wasn’t all bad and it wasn’t all good. That is what my post attempts to convey. I’m sorry you found it “pissy” and “the equivalent of ’don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.’”
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 31, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think the rest of us would say that you did a fine job.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You're fine.
I think Dave may have been the only person offended. But yeah give me money back. For serious.
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I think you're assuming something.
Did the Cardinals really lose their last game in all those years they didn’t make the play offs?
I don't think it's reality to say the 04 or even the 09 teams disappointed greatly.
The playoffs are a crapshoot to a large extent. It’s not TLR’s fault Holliday couldn’t catch a fly ball, for example. Is Charlie Manuel a bad manager or even less of a manager because Carpenter beat Halladay 1-0? No, not really.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 31, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, but I still think the tone was negative
In your attempt to “touch on the good and the bad”, you highlighted the bad and ignored or played down the good. You seem to fixate on the losses and the negatives—like your answer above.
Of the teams in the playoffs, seven out of the eight end with a loss. Is that really the measure of a manager—or a team—that his teams lose the last game? The other 170+ games prior to that loss don’t matter at all?
In the NCAAs, 67 of the 68 teams end their season with a loss—does that mean Butler has been a failure the last two years?
The 2004 team disappointed greatly? They won 112 games, and yes they sucked in the WS (I was painfully at Game 4). But in sports that happens all of the time.
The 2009 team was the only time a TLR team was swept in the first round of the playoffs, and prior to that they had won 6 of 7 times in the DS, which is a remarkable record. Nowhere is that in your article—nor a remarkable game 5 in 2011.
If Freese or Berkman make outs last week does that mean 2011 was a failed season too? Or after the win in Game 6 if the Cards lose Game 7 the season was a failure?
You are underestimating the difficulty of winning that final game, or getting a team in the position to win a final game. And during his career, TLR was among the best in doing that. Twelve times in Tony’s career his teams played for the pennant, and nine of those times those seasons ended in a loss. That’s exactly what the math would suggest, given each team has roughly a 50/50 chance of winning a game. So only if Tony’s team had won 12 out of 12 times would that have been good enough?
But my main complaint is the focus on four players—Ozzie, Rolen, Ryan, and Rasmus—who clashed with the manager, while ignoring the hundreds of other players that thrived under La Russa. If this was Whitey, would you have written about his clashes with Templeton, Hernandez, and Van Slyke?
And while 2003 and 2010 were “underachieving” teams in your verbiage, the 2003 team (flawed) won 85 games (3 GB) and the 2010 team (one with Ryan and Rasmus) won 86 (5 GB). When an “underachieving” team wins more than half of its games, that is a pretty high bar that you set.
And it’s because the 2010 team was “underachieving” (yes, they were frustrating), they removed Ryan (and that was the players, not TLR, from what I read), and removed Rasmus in mid-season. Berkman, a key to 2011, came here because of TLR. Who would you rather have, Berkman or Ryan?
You’re “happy” to see him go; I’m not, because under him, the Cards had a history of sustained success, among the best in baseball during his tenure (second only to the Yankees). I’m a bottom line guy, and the bottom line is that whether you liked his way or not, the Cards did better than their peers in the NL in multiple metrics—like pennants and WS wins.
But you just wanted to highlight the handful of guys who didn’t get along with him and seasons where they didn’t win as many games as they should.
Dave
If you wanted a panegyric, Dave
You won’t have any trouble at all finding one around the interwebs this week. bgh was trying to provide something a little different – which was not also necessarily an indictment.
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Probably too late back to this dance
But I think that’s a fair summary of what was a quite mild narrative of Tony’s career in St. Louis – both good and bad.
"I have discovered, in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck
I cried my eyes out over losing to the braves in 96
and I was 10 at the time
Baseball was designed to break your heart
Also no team has ever won without TLR in the dugout and Albert Pujols on the field
(except when Tony was out with shingles, and the Cards were okay)
holy fuck, pegasus.
you’ve really expanded my knowledge of the game.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
it's exciting to lose a good manager
don’t really get the relief in the room but will certainly be interested in the immediate returns
I think this article capture it well, FWIW.
TLR did things that drove fans absolutely crazy. I was tired of him.
That doesn’t take away from the fact that he was a great manager, maybe even one of the greatest. He tended to get the most out of his clubs, when his personality wasn’t getting in the way of putting the best club together. He managed the team to a whole lot of wins.
I was still tired of him. And, because even the best manager has only a marginal effect on a team (couple wins a year, maybe), I don’t expect much to change in terms of immediate returns.
NO FRANCHISE TONY LA RUSSA HAS MANAGED HAS EVER NOT WON THE WORLD SERIES AT LEAST ONCE
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
qed BITCHES
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
THIS IS FALSE ACTUALLY
ALTHOUGH I ASSUME YOU KNEW THAT AND MADE JOK
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 31, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no its true
he didnt say the franchises won with him as manager, just that they have won one
by Redbird99_98 on Oct 31, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
oh reading comprehension fail
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 31, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
before ST?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
interview process, list of candidates, etc.
Uhh…i’m guessing 2-3 weeks (made up guess)
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I wonder if he reserves his seat next to AA.
And just smirks the whole time.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you know, I hope TLR doesn't decide to discover the internet during his retirement.
or read Cardinals blogs.
or join Cardinals blogs.
WE DIDN’T THINK THIS THROUGH, GUYS.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
YOU THINK TLR WONT BECOME A REGULAR COMMENTER ON VEB?
by OCCardsFan on Oct 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i can't sell my shares now, VEB's stock is going up up up!
Balls
by gdm426 on Oct 31, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the Asian markets are in a free fall & i can't get my broke on the phone!!
what the hell am i supposed to do now????
Balls
he already is a member of VEB.
his name is “Justin VEBer”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
More relieved he's gone than anything, honestly
Well, love him or hate him – I usually fell into the latter camp – he’s gone now. The post mortems can commence. Bgh gives us a decent place to start.
I do like the reference to “numerous playoff collapses.” It hints at what I would have made explicit, that Tony is a smart guy who outsmarts himself more than occasionally, especially when the pressure is on, bent on putting his fingerprints on every possible moment of every game, willing to burn up a long string of young pitching prospects in the relentless quest for victory. When the pressure was off – 2006 and 20011 – he somehow managed to loosen up, and the team seemed to respond.
Now, folks may differ about that, but I will say this: I strongly disagree that McGwire and La Russa (if evidence comes to light) should be in Cooperstown, if we give a damn at all about steroids and what they do to young athletes, or to the integrity of the game. McGwire has confessed to using them, and that’s killed his candidacy. If it can be proven that La Russa knew of and abetted steroid abuse in his locker rooms in Oakland and St. Louis – and I doubt we will ever be able to prove that (or really know it) – why shouldn’t the guy running the circus get fed to the lions as well? Aren’t coaches and execs and owners who knowingly abet that behavior more reprehensible than the jocks looking for an edge? I don’t say that just because I don’t like Tony much. But barring some revelation, Tony can stamp his Cooperstown ticket in 2017.
"I have discovered, in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck
if we cared about the integrity of the game
there’d be a whole lot of people not in the hall, like everyone who didn’t play against African Americans.
by molina mo problems on Oct 31, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry that came off a little more harsh than i wanted it to
what I meant was:
I don’t understand why everyone is so caught up in this mythical idea of “the integrity of the game” since, when you look at baseball’s history, there hasn’t really been a time period where the sport was perfect and shady things weren’t going on behind the scenes. We’ve got guys in the hall that most likely used amphetamines. We’ve got guys in the hall who’s stats may be inflated by not playing against African Americans. Who knows if Ty Cobb or Babe Ruth wouldn’t have used modern performance enhancing drugs if they could?
I’m a bigger fan of letting them both in but not whitewashing it. Acknowledge what they did for the game and acknowledge their role in the steroid era (assuming TLR has one).
by molina mo problems on Oct 31, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to laugh when Bonds doesn't get in
After being by far the best player during the 90s and an absolute lock HOFer on that alone, playing (ostensibly) clean in a league full of juicers.
Not afraid to nitpick
this is going to bug me, a lot
barry bonds is a hall of famer. put steroids on his plaque, but it’s just stupid not to put him in at all.
It's not even going to bug me
It’s just further evidence that a bunch of people who went to school for journalism MIGHT not be a great authority on the qualifications of athletes getting awards and honors.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 31, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Especially when those people aided in covering up the issue at the time.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Grrrr...
If you keep out McGwire and Sosa for taking steroids, you keep out Bonds too. It doesn’t really matter if he would have made it anyway since the whole fucking point of excluding people is because they fucking cheated in the first place.
Anyway, I don’t really get the argument “He would have made it anyway” since A) we don’t know that (Bonds might be the rare exception but we don’t really know when he started either) B) THEY ARE GETTING SHAFTED FOR THE MORALITY OF TAKING STEROIDS.
So they are out because of the morality not because it enhanced their game. Or at least that’s how I think the moral kings of sportswriters make their decisions: morality.*
*I do not share this opinion. I think all steroid users, HOF or not, should be in if they have the sufficient numbers.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 31, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its up to MLB to take care of that kind of stuff
What the manager supposed to do? call out his best players? That would be a hell of a career move
by Redbird99_98 on Oct 31, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
is there a Joe Maddon thread?
here is a Joe Maddon thread.
and possibly a wizard.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
where's my Mike Scioscia and Whitey threads Y2S?
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I'd be dialing Tampa today
And while Shelby, Wong and possible C-Mart would be off the table, not much else would be.
"I have discovered, in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck
Possibly Carlos Martinez is off the table for a trade for a manager?
For a manager? You shouldn’t give up anything of value for a manager. It just can’t be that hard to find a guy who isn’t an idiot for the opportunity to be paid a couple million dollars, manage a team without harsh media, a friendly fanbase and that has the goodwill of a WS.
Not afraid to nitpick
I wouldn't give up much
But if we overstate the impact a manager has on a team, it’s also true that a bad one can wreck things fairly easily. I think Maddon is worth a low grade prospect or two.
"I have discovered, in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck
i wouldn't give up anything of any major value
for a manager.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
they can have stav for maddon.
and that is it.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
the beautiful bike paths of the city
the interesting city museum
fine dining everywhere
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nexed to def
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
Still thinks he was safe at 3rd but you shouldn't let it be that close
Wishes he had one less step on the lead
does he think he would have made Craig's catch?
bc I dont.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he would have
with his new dong glove!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
im aware it was not endy chavez.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, didn't come up, but I don't think so either
And I don’t think he would have hit that home run either.
TLR retiring won't affect Albert
Because at most Tony would be only coming back for a 1-2 years and Albert is looking for 8-9 years
What are the rules for talking to a manager under contract with another team
dont you have to get permission from the team?
yes. and there's no guarantee tamps would agree.
do subjunctive better
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 31, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ran off Mike Napoli
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
eh, I think it was more about his favoritism towards Mathis and his defense,
Duncan should like him.
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no way.
quoting myself:
oh hell to the no. remember mike napoli? sciosia basically pulled a tlr on that whole situation and forced a trade that not only got rid of an all-star catcher, but also saddled the angels with vernon wells’ contract.
he’s terrible.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
he traded for Vernon Wells>?
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well, the angels GM did, but scioscia refused to play napoli
here’s a story about the trade
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
and that's just one of many examples
he’s everything people hated about TLR but worse
did Leach just call fritz 'baby'
oh the twitters.
would've.
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Return of Whitey
I mean he’s younger than Jack McKeon
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But I heard he's not in a great way. :(
"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.
by Reynolds rapper on Oct 31, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
recovering from a fall, last I heard.
the season is a grind.
would've.
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SIGN JOEY GATHWRIGHT
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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Hey, it worke for Bos...
wait, nevermind.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Oct 31, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Derek Lowe to Indians
/nexdef’d?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Been there done that.
And we’ve been talking about getting SizeMOAR
World Series Champions 2011. Unbelievable
yah i had to shift-a to keep up
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Torre part II. (just kidding)
All of us who were in high school in the early 90’s would revolt.
"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.
by Reynolds rapper on Oct 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
I would not mind Francona to be honest... I have always liked him
But it would be cool to see someone already in the orginization become manager. Like the secret weapon. If it is Bobby V I will be quite distraught. That man makes me wanna puke… And it always seemed to me that he came off as hating the cardinals
Baseball was designed to break your heart
?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that sir is a machete
Baseball was designed to break your heart
by ANDYAK47 on Oct 31, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it could be a madam.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Oct 31, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
depends on the day of the week...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
It is No Shave November..
Sign from the gods?
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I continue to shave my head
started when we clinched the postseason
Baseball was designed to break your heart
Beard be with you...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
do you have a job that requires a close shave?
bc if not id go with another electric. or did you mean a specific kind of electric.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
job? hahahaha
oh sorry, um i’m not allowed to have razor’s so yeah, i was just wondering if y’all used one or had a favorite. the few i’ve owned over the years were norelco’s
Balls
from my experience most electrics are pretty similar.
not as close as an actual razor, but good enough.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a norelco that had 3 rotating heads
did not work well for me at all. Have had good luck w/ Braun’s and Remington’s. I love electrics. Best thing is when I’m in a big hurry to go to a gig that I need to look nice for, I can shave in my car at traffic lights.
youneverknow
a norelco 3 head just died, i had it for 10 years
it never got my neck as close as i wanted it which is why i dont think i’ll get another one
Balls
yep, that's where i had problems w/ mine too
on my neck. Although to be fair, I think all electrics have a bit of trouble w/ the neck area. Esp. if I let it get too long.
youneverknow
You need to buy a bunch of Gilette razors
to support the blog.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
guys, let's all listen to this song on repeat
by tomsteele on Oct 31, 2011 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well at least the other teams know that he'll "cook your goose-ah"
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that is almost funny.
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by Stash Musial on Oct 31, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
TLR Retirement Overflow Thread
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ryne Sandberg
They should hire him just to piss of the Cubs. :)
Jim Edmonds for manager
Frosted tips and half shirts are required!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
i put up some pictures from the parade yesterday
here but there will be more coming, just not today
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Oct 31, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The parade was fun
but didnt you think the platform island thingy they put them on was kinda wierd
by Redbird99_98 on Oct 31, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
...
This one is great. Did they stop and pose for you?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Oct 31, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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