World Series 2011: Cardinals & Rangers Tied at 2-2
by bgh on Oct 24, 2011 7:57 AM EDT
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Edwin Jackson is a frustrating pitcher to watch during his time as a Cardinal. After joining St. Louis via the trade Jackson employed the smoke-and-mirror routine of Kyle McClellan he was meant to replace. Striking out only 5.88 batters per nine innings while walking 2.66 his FIP rose from 3.25 as a White Sock to 4.01 as a Redbird. An un-Duncanian 39.1% groundball rate combined with a worrisome 27% line drive rate feed a 5.20 tERA that has made each start by Jackson feel like a ticking time bomb waiting to go off.
Watching last night felt an awful lot like being a hostage strapped to the time bomb, watching the seconds tick down. Jackson labored through his start, populated the Arlington bases with seven runners via the walk. In his 5.1 IP allowed ten total base runners. That he made it through five innings with a mere 1-0 deficit felt like a minor miracle. Rather than count their gods of baseball blessings at the turn-of-events, Tony La Russa and Dave Duncan pushed their luck by sending Jackson out for the sixth inning. One walk did not earn Jackson the hook he had flirted with all evening; it took a second.
The manager then tasked reliever Mitchell Boggs with unenviable job of facing Mike Napoli with two ducks on the pond. Napoli greeted the hard-throwing Georgian rudely, depositing his first-pitch fastball into the left field seats, a blast that extended the Texas lead to 4-0. It would be all the runs that the Rangers would need.
Holland dealt a concoction of fastballs and offspeed pitches on both corners of the plate to keep the Cardinals batters--save Lance Berkman--off balance all night. The game after his comrades in arms were beat about the ballpark by the Cardinals lineup, Holland gave his team 8.1 shutout innings with 7 strikeouts, 2 walks, and just 2 hits allowed, an effort that helped to tie the World Series at two games apiece.
It is an ideal scenario for the second duel between the clubs' respective aces. Chris Carpenter vs. C.J. Wilson II will take place this evening in Arlington. Both pitchers threw well in the gusty and cold conditions of Game 1 at the pitcher-friendly Busch Stadium. The weather will be warmer and the setting more hitter-friendly. A best-of-seven series has been pared down to a best-of-three. The World Series will return to St. Louis on Wednesday. Whether the Cardinals have a chance to win the franchise's eleventh championship that night rests largely on the right arm of Chris Carpenter. As a Cardinals fan, I wouldn't have it any other way.
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My hat goes off to young Mr. Holland
he was hitting all the right spots, and did a great job of mixing his pitches. Also doesn’t hurt that he has a great fastball. And he took advantage of a liberal strike zone on the right side of the plate.
Look for the Cards to break out the whuppin’ sticks tonight. I also see Carp bringing some vintage stuff, also. GO CRADS!
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I'm hoping to see his curve ball this time around
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When you see a good pitcher
with command of all his pitches and an umpire giving him a good majority of the close ones, you are going to see what you saw last night.
Also hope the Cards don’t give up too soon on Boggs. He has good stuff and if he can ever get it together he will be a good one out of the pen. The first pitch he threw was just unfortunate. It was above the letters and nine out of ten times that pitch will be fouled off or popped up. He made some good pitches after that though.
MIxing pitches and location
I agree. It also doesn’t hurt that he was throwing 95mph pitches late into the game.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
On Boggs
I’m afraid TLR is gonna give up on him. I’m not sure I remember the last time he came in with guys on base and didn’t give up a run.
We do have a ton of good/great relievers
Is there one that could come up and take his place from the minors?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
LaRussa is Dr. Jeckel / Mr. Hyde
on Boggs. For a brief moment early in the 2011 season, Boggs was our closer. Then he was not only removed from the closer roll but banished down to Memphis. After returning from Memphis, he saw no high leverage situations. In the post-season Boggs was rarely if ever used. He got one inning of mopup in Game 2 and looked good … then based on the small sample size of one inning, LaManager gyrated the pendulum in the other direction and put Boggs out in a high leverage situation in Game 3. The LaRussa move didn’t lose us Game 3 so it’s only a bit of history now.
Is it too much to say
The team that wins tonight will win the series?
I just don’t see either team winning 2 in a row at Busch.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 24, 2011 8:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes it is. Anything can happen
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you just have to BELIEVE
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
i disagree, i think the cardinals could win two in a row at busch, but texas won't.
the cardinals have jaime at home on wednesday night (which, for as much crap as he’s gotten, jaime has pitched VERY well in 2/3 home postseason starts) and then anything can happen in a game 7. unlikely, sure. but not impossible.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
By nature of the games being played in St. Louis, it’s slightly more important for them to win Game 5.
It might give us all heart attacks like Games 6 and 7 of the 04 NLCS, but we can do it.
I think the real question is...
will Jon Jay be able to get the ball out of the infield today?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
I'm not particularly worried about the #7 or #8
hitters in our lineup.
me neither
I’m more worried about our lead off hitter not getting on base.
Grit != flat out sucking.
well he's a CFer
so he usually gets the ball in the Outfield
Bad-dum tsh!
….
tumbleweed
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Avenge game 2!
Take back #happyflight!
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 24, 2011 9:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like this line of thinking
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
#happyflight
think of it always, speak of it never.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Yes, make the last flight of the season a happy one!
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
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It's actually crazy to think that
but yeah, no matter what, this is the last flight of the season. It’s been an insane ride.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
what?! really?!
is this like a WS only thing?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
no its always been that way
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this is untrue.
i’ve bought tix for 7:15 CDT games at like 6:45 before.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
tickets for last nights game went offline sometime around 2 hours in advance
by prophetjohn on Oct 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
oh. well in arizona, at least this season, stubhub has always shut tickets down 2 hours before game time.
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I wouldn't be shocked to see him make an appearance in Game 7 if it happens
I’d imagine that every pitcher on both rosters, other than the Game 6 starters, will be available for Game 7.
keywords here are "if it happens"
nah, but seriously, I can’t imagine him out there in #7 for more than 2 or 3 innings though. Given 115 or so pitches today and short rest. But, I could be wrong about that, as I am a lot.
by hr on Oct 24, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not bring him back for Game 7?
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Because he is a stupid jerk
and stupid jerks are stupid and jerk
by hr on Oct 24, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'm Rec'ing this
Because it’s true!
by You Just Got Oshie'd on Oct 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
you just rec'd my pathetically lame attempt at a comeback at someone who rightfully pointed out I was wrong
yay
by hr on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now I have to rec it
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 24, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, fuck me.
He’s even better on short rest. SSS But:
With 5 days of rest, he has pitched 102.1 innings with a 1.86 K/BB and a 1.593 WHIP
With 4 days of rest, he has pitched 170.1 innings with a 2.68 K/BB and a 1.274 WHIP
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
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What about on three days of rest?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sucks
But, Miniscule Sample Size. 5.2 innings, 1.00 K/BB, 2.471 WHIP, 11.12 ERA.
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
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Well...
and he threw 116 pitches, he’s had an injury, and he’s up to 220 innings this year after throwing 50 odd last year. Maybe they stick with Harrison… he also has a knack for alternating CGSOs with stinkers. So there’s that… I suppose I wouldn’t be overly concerned about seeing him again.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
yes.
this is true. you pitch every fifth day.
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by tehzachatak on Oct 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I still want to know if Bud Norris has anything to do with this.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
prediction for tonight
CJ comes out like CJ has been all postseason. cardinals put up 5 before the fourth inning rolls around and score 8 total. carp comes out, doesn’t give a fuck, and gives up 3 in 6 innings before being pulled and the bullpen comes in and shut ’em down. 8-4 cardinals, and #happyflight
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How has CJ pitched all postseason?
He threw well in Game 1 at Busch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the president of the 10-24 optimist club would like to ignore that start.
i believe he had an ERA in the 5’s before the game 1 start.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
8.86 K/9, 5.91 BB/9, 2.53 HR/9, 6.96 FIP, 4.37 xFIP
.328 BABIP so it’s not all bad luck.
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
Bilingual Twitter
Well, OK, some of it might be bad luck
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
Bilingual Twitter
the K/9 is pretty impressive, the BB/9 is, um, not.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He's completely sucked...
from the very first Matt Moore start.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
He has walked a lot of batters, to be sure.
I hope that we have a patient approach and work the count against him. It’d be great to drive up his pitch count and chase him early.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Was he good in game one?
I’ll take that performance again.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Home Plate Umpiring was atrocious
I don’t like to whine about the umpiring, but let me take a few moments and whine about the umpiring. If you thought there were two strike-zones in the Brewers series, you hadn’t seen nothing until last night’s zone.
The home plate umpire consistently gave Holland 3 or for inches on the inside of the plate…a pitch he never gave to a Cardinal pitcher. Furthermore, he only gave the Cards’ pitcher the black on the outside about half of the time. Both pitchers suffered from the umpire’s inability to call strikes down in the zone. It was just a terrible effort. Yes, Mr. Holland had a wonderful curveball working and was mastering the zone…but he had a different zone than Jackson. Three of Jackson’s walks should have been strike outs. The HPU seemed reluctant to punch out Texas hitters on 2 strike counts. And the HPU had the Cardinals lunging for pitches out of the zone because he was so inconsistent with the balls and strikes called for their turns at the plate. Matt Holliday in particular went out of his mind b/c of those calls. And Albert’s out in the 9th was wholly the product of a bad called strike on the outside in his a/b. I don’t know that we would have won the game had the umpire called a better (or just more fair) zone…but it sure helped us lose it. D.GOOCH
the strike zone was awful, don't get me wrong.
but it’s not even close to the reason we lost.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Repetan, por favor?
I don’t know that we would have won the game had the umpire called a better (or just more fair) zone…but it sure helped us lose it. D.GOOCH
by Donald Gooch on Oct 24, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, draw your own conclusions.
This is Derek Holland:
This is Edwin Jackson:
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
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I believe it is called strikes and called balls.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What this shows to me is how much better Holland performed in attacking the corners.
It seems that the Cardinals were either safely within the zone or safely out of it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Aside from the one egrecious called third strike
The Cardinals needed to take the bat off their shoulder with two strikes. Just try to foul those off.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Yeah, when the opposing pitcher is dealing, and doing it efficiently
there’s never a reason to look at strike 3, unless it is just painfully far off.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I think we also chased his breaking ball outside the zone early in counts.
A few bad swings and misses stick out to me on the breaking ball.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You nerds are ruining this game for me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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This seems to show that Kulpa did a pretty great job
Outside of that one inside fastball to…was it Craig?
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Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Craig or Freese?
The crappy thing about that call is that the nearest green triangle to it was in the same AB.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
I thought it was Freese
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Twitter
holliday and freese had some pretty bad called strike 3's, i believe in the same inning.
freese’s was worse though. about the worst called strike 3 i’ve seen in a long time.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
and really, wtf was Kulpa thinking on that pitch?
I loved how McCarver had already made his mind up it was a great pitch and was saying so just as the graphic came up showing the pitch to be about a foot inside. And then his voice just kind of trailed off……….
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
+1
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at all those pitches close to the strike zone for the Cards pitchers!
Oh wait
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Hah, so in theory that called strike 3 to Freese
that even Fox said was way off the plate was the only wacky inside strike call?
I disagree with this entirely.
There was one horrible call, but other than that, a lot of pitches I thought were poorly called ended up being just a mirage of Fox’s terrible camera angle. My hat is off to Holland.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Whether the previous pitch was wide or not
Pujols thought it was wide and this caused him to go outside and get himself out. It also looked wide to me.
It was a wide zone, but it was consistent aside from the one pitch to Craig.
Their pitchers did a better job of exploiting this than ours.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
THe Ump called a wide zone , no doubt.
But Holland can the control (i.e consistancy) to take advantage. EJax did not.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
Jackson gave a very solid performance
much better than I expected. Jackson did enough to the Cards in a position to win and that’s all we should have hoped for. You can’t win if you don’t score runs.
7 walks is not a solid performance.
It was pure luck that he got out of the jams that he put himself in.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Two hits, five total baserunners
We had plenty of opportunity to hit, even if you feel the strike zone was that terrible. Holland was nasty.
anyone else as freaked out and scared as i am?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Actually, I am a little bit.
It’s down to three games.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Word.
Everywhere I look, I see impending DOOOOOOOOOOM.
by Washoo on Oct 24, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Since you're here, nobody ever said you weren't a fan.
However, if you super confidently predict specific bad outcomes without any sort of actual analysis, you’ll get jumped on by some people. I don’t think this should be surprising.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I just had a bad feeling.
We didn’t look good against Holland, and I didn’t see that changing as his pitch count was relatively low and he was maintaining velocity and control. Our deplete bullpen also made me nervous. Turns out I was dead-on, but I realize that was coincidental. I’ll keep it to myself next time all the same.
And last I checked, nobody needed any specific analysis to share their optimism. I don’t see why “impending doom” would be any different. But whatever. I’ll stow it.
I do actually like our chances with Carp going tonight and then coming home with Garcia in game 6. I’ll be on edge for the next 72 hrs straight, regardless.
by Washoo on Oct 24, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
It's kinda a buzzkill
And we do love our buzzes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
For me, it was just a matter of tone.
If you said “Shit, Holland is dealing and we look lost against him. I don’t like how this is going” or something like that, I don’t think you would have been jumped on to nearly the same extent.
But, I’m definitely not telling you how to go about posting. I’m just trying to clarify why I responded the way I did.
Anyway, yeah, I agree with you about tonight and tomorrow, though I wouldn’t be surprised by any outcome in these 2-3 games.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Fair enough.
I just had a bad feeling about how last night was going, and it was a story I’d seen before. I realize anything can (and does) happen, but there was no evidence I could see that we were going to get it done against Holland. I got lucky on calling the bullpen implosion, though to be fair it was really only one bad pitch after a couple unfortunate walks.
Why gets me is nobody has a problem with anyone being as ridiculous as they want, so long as it’s “positive.” I’ve seen all kinds of wacky predictions.
Sorry I don’t fart rainbows all the time, especially when our usually awesome line-up is being rendered totally limp-dicked.
by Washoo on Oct 24, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Shit, double post.
I’m just gonna quit while I’m behind.
by Washoo on Oct 24, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Like those stupid St. Louis Cardinals
#jokes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
about the fact that every second
life is ticking away and that i’m wasting it on the internet?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
by Aranathor on Oct 24, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
not feeling good about it, but i havent let myself get excited too much cause we all remeber the early season cards and how they toy with you. Tonight is a huge game and not sure how much ill emotionally invest..go carp go cards
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Oct 24, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
in general?
everything gives you cancer, we seem to be headed towards an economy where the only thriving industry is collecting and hoarding canned goods, and I’m pretty sure that neither I nor anyone I know should actually be trusted with the responsibilities of an adult in modern society. Soul-shaking, bowel-loosening existential terror seems to be pretty much the only correct stance.
In baseball terms? Chris Carpenter’s pitching tonight. I’m feeling pretty optimistic.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Oct 24, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Scared? No, but only becasue
I don’t expect to win this series.
Yeah
I predict a lot of screaming. My drug dealing neighbors shouldn’t be happy.
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
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i'm cautiously optimistic tonight.
and if we win tonight i think we definitely win the series, so no.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i am
but mostly because of the communists
by prophetjohn on Oct 24, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, this is working out exactly as I thought.
Now, Carp goes out and stinks it up tonight, I’ll be freaked out.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
EJax should have never started the sixth inning
I got nervous that he even came out for the fifth to face the Rangers lineup for the 3rd time, but we got lucky there. Why not cash your chips in and quit while your ahead? Yank Jackson after 5, and let a reliever (guess it was going to be Boggs regardless of the game situation) take over.
After 5 innings, Jackson already had 5 walks and over 100 pitches (I think). Regardless of the pitch count, he was going to be facing Beltre and Cruz for the third time. We got luck with Kinsler, Hamilton, and Young in the 5th, and that should have been it. After the NLCS, I thought for sure that Tony would give Jackson the hook after 5, but he left him out their and tried to get lucky again in the 6th just like he did in the 5th.
Would Boggs have been effective in the 6th had he come in right away to face Beltre and Cruz? Who knows, but it couldn’t have been much worse than the two straight walks surrendered by Jackson.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
shorter version: what bgh said
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Not that it would had mattered much since we didn't score
But I thought Westbrook was going to come out before Boggs. I was a little suprised to see Boggs warming up. I figured the plan all along was Westbrook was going to come in if Jackson started to get gassed.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
I didn't have much problem with him starting the 6th
but he should have been pulled the moment a Ranger reached base.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Well, that's the problem
I say quit while you’re ahead – take out the guy who struggled through the game, giving up a lot of walks and a lot of deep outs to the warning track.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
What's the problem?
Is it that I don’t agree with your point of view?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
No, problem was that waiting for something bad to happen means that you've yanked him too late by default
My problem was with waiting for something bad to happen to make the change instead of making the change before something bad happen (e.g. a walk, something that Jackson did a lot in innings 1-5).
You disagreeing is fine.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Beltre's catch in the 1st inning was big
I know it was just one out and the first out in the 1st inning…but man that leaping catch that Beltre snagged off what looked to be a sure hit from Furcal really seemed to set the tone of the game early. I wonder if he doesn’t make that catch and Furcal gets on if we might not have seen a different game last night. I can’t help but think if Furcal got on the Cards might have been able to jump on Holland early. As it was Holland didn’t have to worry about any baserunners and made all the right pitches and his confidence was sky high.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
explain to me how it will be 80 degrees on tuesday and 60 degrees on wednesday
AND it might rain!?
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Inflated BABIP, probably
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The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
by TBender on Oct 24, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes. if it gets rained out, everything will be ruined.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Weren't you thinking about staying for Game 7 anyways?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah but if game 6 is on thursday and game 7 is on friday, i will have to change my flight
and hope i don’t get fired
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
I'd just put in for Friday off anyway.
If you have the vacation days.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
ha...vacation days...hahahahahahhahaah
no such thing around here
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
Have you tried sleeping with your boss?
That seems to work on lawyer TV shows.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Oct 24, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ah, yes.
Corporatist law firms are a bit less employee friendly. But, still, haven’t you put in for the time off anyway? Why not just ask for another? (With the understanding that you’ll be working, just from St. Louis.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
things are in a state of turmoil around here.
it was sketchy enough to get two days off. what i will do is wait until something actually happens to force me to stay another day. and actually, no one is ever in the office on fridays, anyway, so probably not that big of a deal. the thing that really sucks is that my dad is coming to visit tomorrow and staying through the weekend.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
That's frustrating.
Hopefully the weather works out. We were sweating the forecast for Game 1 but it turned out all right. Not the weather, which was awful, but the game not getting postponed.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'm going to stop worrying about it. i trust that things will work out.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
i will be working on the plane and in the hotel room all day wednesday and thursday
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
Couldn't you just go to Game 6, not go to Game 7 (which isn't ideal, I know)
And then fly back?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
in theory, yes. and i could probably sell my game 7 tickets for a lot of money
BUT THEN I WOULD MISS GAME 7!!!!
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
I would actually risk the firing
Or just ask your boss if he’s okay with that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
its a she, sexist.
and she doesn’t care. its the partners i don’t work for who will take issue with it
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
(you should sleep with her.)
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Oct 24, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
the problem with this is...
they could 2006 it. in that case, game 7 tickets would be good for game 6 on thursday night and game 6 tickets would be good for game 7 on friday night. i don’t think they would actually do this, however, because it’s a bit different than shifting games 4 & 5 like they did in 2006. people who already have game 7 tickets already paid a premium for it being game 7 (not through the ticket office, but through third parties), and would get absolutely screwed over.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If you get fired you can always take the Missouri bar and then move to StL
Then you can see more games live
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, that's brilliant. my bf can be a financial analyst anywhere, right?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
in this economy!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Plenty of them in this building I work in here in Clayton
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Edward Jones is there
Scottrade, too
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
"You know what they say about [INSERT MIDWESTERN CITY HERE] and the weather! If you don't like it today, it'll be something new tomorrow!"
“Now how about that 5-day forecast, Cindy Preszler.”
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
we have that saying in texas, too
i slowly came to the realization that just everybody says that
by prophetjohn on Oct 24, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
except for California
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
Optimism time
So far we have fought the AL Powerhouse® for four games and it’s tied, meaning we are not losing.
From here on out, we are in a 3 game series, wherein we have home field advantage. We have the top of our rotation going with Carpenter and Garcia, which I feel is a relative strength compared to the Rangers.
We still have Albert Pujols.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Oct 24, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The NLDS was once tied 2-2.
As was the NLCS. The difference is we had to head back to the opposing teams’ home parks for the deciding games in those series. Thanks to FIelder’s ASG performance we’ll be heading back to St. Louis for the deciding game(s) of the World Series. It’s really exciting.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's been so long since Brian Anderson broadcast a game
that I’d forgotten that the reason the Cards had HFA is because of Prince (formerly known as a Brewer).
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 24, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
all we gotta do is just keep winning every other game and it's all good
by prophetjohn on Oct 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This
is something I can live with.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
just gotta keep winning the odd-numbered games and we're in good shape
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
!!
I am packing to leave straight from school at noon. Final two classes today? Psh, who needs ’em?
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Oct 24, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
and when I say packing, I really mean
finding my Pet Sounds and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot cds
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Oct 24, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's going to be an awesome experience.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
As someone born in 1986 and relocated to Texas in 1997
it will be my first World Series
Still not a werewolf.
I was a mover and a shaker.
Mathletes really go places, man.
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Oct 24, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was a mathlete too!
I got like 5th in the state or something
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
\o
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
NERDS
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FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Oct 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
My wife was a mathlete, but she landed a really cool, handsome guy.
What I’m trying to say is that there’s hope for you nerds, and that I’m a really cool, handsome guy.
Except for my Derek Hollandesque goatee, which is nor cool or handsome.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
urge to kill rising
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Oct 24, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
your face is utiltized
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
your mom is utilized
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Oct 24, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NERDS
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Oct 24, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't be mad because we were invited to the National Grammar Rodeo in Toronto.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
That's nor here neither there.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Oct 24, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Giddy up!
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Oct 24, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would OUR grammar rodeo be in Canada?
ANDY WILLIAMS??? WE’RE STOPPING!!!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Its a good time
Game 1 was my first world series game. Game 6 will be my 2nd.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i will vicariously attend the game through you.
I AM SO EXCITED FOR YOU! have a blast, clack.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Are you and fink the same person
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i was about to ask this
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
because.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
why because?
but no, seriously, we’re not the same person.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
You too are both incredibly optimistic always
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Hmm, that's a weird typo
Clank it up to multitasking
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
long time
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think he's more optimistic than me.
but yeah, i guess we both have a similar outlook.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
When anthropomorphic optimism wants to be more postive, it tells itself to be finkistic.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
YOU THINK IL ROSSO ISN'T GONNA STAND UP FOR RYAN THERIOT?!
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by jd is legend on Oct 24, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i used to know someone who thought this word was "bicurious"
by prophetjohn on Oct 24, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that is amusing.
i pronounced the name “pen-ell-oh-pee” as “pen-ell-ope” for a long time and people giggled at me.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
bring me a win or i will choke you
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Wait, when did you score tickets?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
question
I’ve got game 6 tickets. The forecast is grim (70% chance of rain). If it gets postponed, what happens with my tickets? I can only be in St. Louis Wednesday night.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 24, 2011 11:37 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
ugh
I get the feeling i am going to lose a lot of money
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 24, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Oh shit, we will see Holland in Game 7
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
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As much as I hate the bunt to get a hit
I really think Furcal needs to try it once tonight if he is leading off an inning. Beltre has a cannon for an arm and it’s risky but Furcal needs to get on base somehow tonight.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
What about scorching a liner down the third base line?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Those don't work.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
If Beltre is playing back, sure
I trust Furcal to know when to do it, as he hits like .440 lifetime when bunting for a hit
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Can't tell if serious
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Of course, um, not.
By the by, I got to explain BABIP to my dad Saturday night. He dug it.
Then I got to thinking, if a player really had the ability to put a ground ball wherever he wanted to, if he’s only hitting .300, is he just being lazy?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Well, yes
But I do think that most players have the ability to direct the general direction they want the ball to go to. Some are better at it than others, and it’s impossible to figure out which players DO have that ability and which ones are better/worse, but it’s there.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Well, no
They have the ability to dictate the quality of contact against
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You don't think pitching a RH inside or outside helps dictate where the ball is likely to go?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Pitcher Handedness
I’d be very interested to know how often he bunts for a hit while hitting right-handed versus how often he does it while hitting left-handed. It seems that doing so while hitting right-handed against a lefty like Wilson would be more difficult.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Odd Timing
Rob Rains foresees a 2012 without K-Mac as a Cardinal:
The Cardinals decided to drop pitcher Kyle McClellan from their active roster for the World Series, a move that the St. Louis native said he foresaw coming.
McClellan also likely can see what is coming next too, the reality that he will be pitching for another team in 2012.
The 27-year-old right-hander appears to be the odd man out for the Cardinals pitching staff for next season for a couple of reasons – the performance and depth of the team’s right-handed relievers, and the fact he also does not project as more than the team’s sixth best starter either. The third factor, of course, is financial.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Good.
Thanks, Kyle. See ya when we see ya.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 24, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
we wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the way Kyle pitched
that first month after Wainwright went down. That said, one month of good performance isn’t enough. Maybe when he goes back to the pen next year, unless someone else picks him up for a starter, he’ll pitch up the mph he lost on his fast ball and get his curve back.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Agreed
K Mac won 12 games, ate a decent amount of innings and was a key contributor both as a starter and a reliever. In 18 starts he went less than 5 innings only once. Most any team would love to get that production from a fifth starter.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 24, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, I wish him well
I know he wanted to be a started but it just never worked out for him here outside of the first half of this season.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish him well.
But I hope he isn’t on the Cardinals in 2012. His peripherals this season were horrible. That he had 12 pitching “wins” shows how arbitrary that stat is. He only struck out 4.88 batters per nine and walked 2.73. That is not good. His FIP of 4.92 is a huge red flag. His drop in fastball velocity is likely the primary culprit for his statistical struggles. When coupled with his “dead arm” diagnosis, it is the biggest red flag of all. I pray the Cardinals don’t spend millions on a -0.6 WAR pitcher.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It may be a bit early to start constructing the 2012 roster
But as of now the rotation is set and the right side of the bullpen will feature Motte, Lynn, Salas and Sanchez. Boggs in Year 1 arb is probably a better value that K Mac in Year 2 arb. I feel K Mac will and should be elsewhere next year.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
he mainly got lucky, as his pitching was pretty much the same the whole time
but i still support the move to put him in the rotation
by prophetjohn on Oct 24, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
welp, it's a 3-game series again
except this time we have home-field advantage.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
For me tonight is a must win
We have our ace out there tonight. Plus I am a little worried that if game 6 is a rain out that Holland will be available to start a game 7 if it goes that far while we have Lohse…yikes.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
the real mystery is the bullpens.
they’re like Schrödinger’s bullpens at this point.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are the bullpens alive or dead or both at once?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 24, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't know until you open the door.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
if anyone could make a gif of it
they showed how he was getting all his strike-outs
and FoxTrax showed that half of them were balls. which were not being swung at.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Does FoxTrax use the pitch f/x data?
Or do the generate their own version of this tool? From the data that Paulspike showed above, it would appear that FoxTrax has their own tool because Fox showed many pitches off the plate which do not show up in pitch f/x. But why would Fox use their own tool when pitch f/x is readily available to anyone?
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Has the Wyrm Turned??
I am a bit nervous. The first three games, the Cardinals played like the better team. I don’t think we matched the Ranger’s athleticism, but we made up for it with a disciplined approach at the plate.
This last game turned that pardigm around completely. I am wondering if it will restore confidence to the Ranger’s pitchers.
My gut tells me that if the Cards are going to win this series, they will have to gut out wins in game 6 and 7 at home.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
we lost yesterday due to the bats going to sleep
we have one of the best offensive in the majors. I’m not too worried about that going away.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I don't think the confidence of the Rangers hitters is as important as our starting pitcher.
If the Rangers’ confidence as hitters had a peak in this series, it had to be heading into Game 1 when they were on the heels of an outburst against the Tigers. Carpenter silenced them. So, too, did Jaime. I don’t think it matters so much how confident the Rangers are at the plate as how well our starters locate pitches and execute the game plan.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
y'know, y'all....
I am just f’n glad we put away the Phillies and the Brewers. Because for real, next season (or at least the first half-season) would be unbearable otherwise.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jay's slump
Does anyone see what he might be doing wrong right now? Do the Rangers just know how to pitch him well? Is he tying to be too agressive and is just not getting good swings? I can’t remember him looking as bad as he does right now. We need him for his defense…but I would like to see him take better at bats. I hope McGwire and Aldrete are working with him today to get him straightened out a little more.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
It's probably just a slump.
Like those he has played through at other points in his short career. It’s interesting because Jay has hit lefties well in the big leagues so that doesn’t seem like it’s the problem. I think he has had a bit of batted ball bad luck on his grounders and this has contributed to the slump. Of course, in Game 4, I’d say Holland was the problem. He pitched very well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Jay doesn't seem to have horrible splits against lefties in the minors, at least not the raw stats or MinorLeagueSplits' park-adjusted stats
The park-and-league-adjusted (MLE) splits look pretty darn bad though.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I don't really think Jay is getting unlucky.
Every single hit is a slow roller.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 24, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Weather-dot-com shows a 70% chance of rain on Wednesday.
What are the early predictions out of St. Louis about the possibility of the Wednesday game being rained out? personally, I wouldn’t be opposed — give Carpenter an extra day of rest IF they should decide to use him in a Game Seven.
And, most importantly, I’ll be back in St. Louis on Friday, so I could watch a Game Seven and potentially go into crazy celebratory mode on the streets of downtown St. Louis (as oposed to Vancouver’s bat-shit-crazy celebratory mode, which results in cities being burned down and looted).
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
Personally I think a game 6 rain out
would be a bigger advantage for the Rangers. It would mean Holland would probably get to start game 7. Depending on what he does tonight, I’m not sure if Carp would be a sure bet for a game 7 start with a rain out for game 6. It would help both bullpens though.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
you shut it
A game 6 rain out would ruin me….RUIN ME!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 24, 2011 1:05 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I must say I'm getting a little tired of all this baseball...
ready for the hot stove to heat up.
I wonder if the teams shouldn’t just declare this a five game series and have it be decided tonight. I’d take that…
zombiessssss!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Or just flip a coin
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I think they should take a lesson from our friends in the soccer world
and settle it with a home run derby as the baseball equivalent of penalty kicks.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
who is available tonight?
Dotel, Scrabble, Motte, Rhodes. Is Lynn available? I’d guess probably not.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Lynn is not
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
thx
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 24, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Salas is not available till game 6
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 24, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
and personally, i have serious doubts about him for the rest of the WS
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 24, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
is that based on the strauss tweet?
i thought he “corrected” himself later.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
my bad
missed that. i am reporting bad information. don’t trust this.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 24, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Strauss lied about that.
He meant Lynn.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Lie is not correct there.
He mixed up Lynn and Salas.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
really?
He didn’t go yesterday, are they just resting him? What about Westy?
FIRE EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 24, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah not sure of the whole story here (anybody?) but to my eye he's looked worn-out.
Velo’s been down, little more effort in the delivery. Not surprised if a bunch of days off would do him a world of good, or if maybe there’s a minor injury. Then again, maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about.
ZACH IS WRONG AND STUPID
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Yes
and no.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 24, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me. I have experience dealing with this guy
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i'm going to start sending you poop pictures on iMessage dude
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I will send you pictures of my weiner
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
please don't
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
i was going to ask what zoom he'd use.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wait, so are both available tonight then??
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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no Lynn
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
now you're just trying to confuse everyone.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
please don't make me go read the p-d or strauss' twitter.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
thanks.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
just to lighten the mood a little bit
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Let me contemplate
whether I need a hat and/or a glove to play in the field
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
One thread alone was unable to contain all this scorching optimism
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
i hope this doesn't become a trend.
i like having a minimal amount of posts on veb, because it’s much easier to catch up on reading that way (as well as keeping most of the interaction from the day in one place). the sbn sites following the teams we’ve played in the playoffs thus far all have a lot of front-page posts each day (more than 6, not including gamethreads) and it’s very confusing.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I like this two posts per day concept for postseason games.
This one is a review of last night. The new one is a preview of tonight.
I don’t think it’s necessary during the season, but I think it’s perfect for the postseason.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
I did two today because SBN broke last night and wasn't accepting new posts for a little while.
Of course I then mixed up the “Postgame” and “Preview” banners by Gilette.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
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