world series hysteria
by tom s. on Oct 22, 2011 3:10 AM EDT
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Printwe've gotten to that point where our local sports journalists write articles about thrilling topics, like "sometimes good things happen in baseball, and sometimes bad things happen, and if the cardinals want to win, they have to have more good things than bad things happen."
and really that's all there is to say. it's a little bit dumb to dress it up as if it meant more than that, but mostly my response is: "WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WORLD SERIES!!!"
but you can't write that in a newspaper, or even in a blog post (as the exclusive content, at least).
with the season down to what is at most five games between two pretty evenly matched teams, the outcome of the series is probably pretty close to even odds.
the cardinals face off against the rangers for three games in Arlington, in one of the most notorious hitter's parks in baseball. with lance berkman, albert pujols, matt holliday, allen craig, and david freese almost certainly in the starting lineup for all three games, the cardinals have to like their odds of taking a couple games in arlington.
rangers stadium (nee ameriquest field) averages 2.80 HR per game, more than any other field in MLB. camden yards, yankee stadium, and great american ballpark are the only other stadia averaging more than 2.50 HR/game. the AL averages 2.00 HR/game, while the NL averages 1.76 HR/game. neutralizing that perspective for the quality of the rangers offense, the park factor on homers in arlington is 1.50, meaning that you'll see three homers for every two in a neutral stadium.
for perspective, busch has a 0.774 HR factor, meaning that you'll see about three homers for every four in a neutral stadium, and about one for every two at rangers stadium.
this extreme park factor means that players like, oh, say, nelson cruz who derive a huge amount of their value from HR power and are comparatively weak in other categories (.312 OBP) look pretty pedestrian in a park neutral analysis. by wRC+, for instance, cruz ranks with edwin encarnacion and jeff francoeur this year.
the cardinals - when compared by a neutralized stat - look pretty decent compared to the rangers. four cardinals are putting out wRC+s of 140 or better: berkman (159); craig (158); holliday (154); and pujols (148), with several guys looking pretty sharp on the backend: molina (123); punto (123); freese (122); jay (112).
texas, by contrast, has one obvious star in napoli (178), with a trail of guys who are solid on the offensive side but not spectactular: beltre (134); hamilton (129); kinsler (128); young (127); the aforementioned cruz (116); and gentry (108).
this is a team that gave 1600 PAs to subpar hitters like endy chavez (98), murphy (93), torrealba (84), and mitch moreland (92). i won't lump andrus in here, since he's obviously on the team for his tremendous defense. while torrealba's a catcher, molina is an upgrade both defensively and offensively. of the other underachievers, two are primarily OF and another is a 1B.
that leaves the rangers with at least one weak link in the OF, even in st. louis; in texas, their deficits arguably get worse; with one of their strong hitters (probably young) DHing, they're likely to have a subpar offensive talent both in the OF and at first. compound that with the fact that the DH slot opens room for allen craig to appear all game long, and the cardinals are improving offensively while texas is getting worse. perversely, the DH rule may favor the NL team.
i disagree with the notion espoused on fangraphs that it won't affect the teams (although i think the notion pushed on fangraphs was rebutting the assumption that the DH rule would help the AL team at home, and the lack of it would hurt the AL team away - the article just didn't go far enough to look at how much worse the bench bats in texas are, and how much better the bench bats are - or at least allen craig is - in st. louis). the writer just didn't go far enough; not only will it not work out the way people think, it will work out in the reverse fashion.
probably texas's best alignment would involve gentry in center (who in a small sample has only been a tick off jay's offensive production), with hamilton in LF, young at DH, and moreland at 1B.
game thread up later today.
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WOOOOOOOOOOO! WORLD SERIES!!!!
kicking iheartboog's ass in fantasy football since 2011
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 22, 2011 3:26 AM EDT reply actions
I wonder what Bubb Rubb thinks about the Cards playing in the World Series???
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Oct 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WUUUUUUU?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
very nice!
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
diversify yo' bonds!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
oh, hey drunk fang.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 22, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I found something that Carpentar gave a fuck about
Duncan returned to the team on the final day of the regular season. The Cardinals, tied with Atlanta for the wild card, were about to play the Astros in Houston. Carpenter, the starting pitcher that night, hugged Duncan and told him, “Dunc, I’m going to make your job real easy tonight. I’m going nine. You don’t need anybody else tonight.”
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 22, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Texas supposedly is going with Torrealba at catcher
Napoli at first and Young DH. Murphy in left.
Our lineup is so sick on paper with Craig in there. Really hope we can get some BABIP luck for a change (though a large part of that is stellar infield defense by the rangers). Harrison actually doesn’t give up a lot of homers. And Lohse needs to just not totally shit the bed. 5 innings and keep the ball in the park.
I don't think Wash will do this
I would be surprised if Wash put Naps at first at all during the series. I think Moreland gets the start at first tomorrow, MY is the DH, Naps is behind the plate, and Murphy is in LF. At this point in the series, there are some other Rangers fans that feel that Hamilton shouldn’t even be in the lineup, because he can only hurt the offense. If Hamilton had been at least 75%, that sac fly in the 9th would’ve went 400 feet. This is shaping up to be a great series, and as a Rangers fan, I’m pretty excited to see Lohse and Jackson in the next 2 games ;)
Now we wait for Game 3. Only 15 more hours.
lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT
I can't believe how poorly constructed Washington's lineups are
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
but he did say Naps at first and Torrealba catching
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm shocked
Napoli hasn’t played at first in a long time, but I guess he has lost all confidence in Moreland. Well, it should be another great, close game.
lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT
Surprisingly
I didn’t see anything about this on LSB, and thought this was just a rumor. It probably didn’t help that I wasn’t online much yesterday.
lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT
I hope for no BABIP
HR don’t count towards BABIP
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 22, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
as expected
the media is throwing a bitch fit about pujols and company leaving before talking to the them. I remember the yahoo.com article had a title along the lines of “Cowardly Move.” There’s also a pretty nasty article on espn.com.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
I get that players should speak with the press afterwards and all that
but the whole name-calling thing is so out of line. So Pujols is an even-keeled and decent guy, let’s call him a coward when he doesn’t kis the media’s ass.
I sort of wish Pujols would go all drunk Superman just one time on these douchebags. If Pujols ever really lost it, these guys would be shitting little green apples.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Oct 22, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
just don't read that shit, don't even give them page views
it’s from the [I won’t name a political pundit here, but I’m sure you can fill one in] school of journalism, where you pander to the lowest common denominator by being incendiary and over-the-top instead of being thoughtful and fair-minded. It’s a shame trash like that sells, and it does, but I’m not gonna support it.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
to quote
…someone’s sig, i think its the only thing i can say now.
Just Win.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
World series! Dogs and cats living together!
Also, Allen Craig!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 22, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
to quote
…someone’s sig, i think its the only thing i can say now.
Just Win.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Lineup projection
Pd says theriot at second and berk at dh.
Furcal
Craig
Pujols
Holliday
Berkman
Freese
Molina
Jay
Theriot
Win?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
"like"
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 22, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my inclination is that Theriot in the lineup means an automatic loss.
I think he’s just conditioned me. It’s like Pavlov’s dog; I hear his name and an ‘L’ appears.
by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
when Theriot was the starting ss we were in 1st place
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
it is what it is
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I actually don't mind Theriot in the Arlington games
I know we all hate him but he’s a good hitter against lefties.
Craig in the #2 hole
makes this lineup so much more dangerous. Harrison is a lefty so I would flip Berkman and Freese … but TLR won’t out of respect for Berkman.
Speaking of Berkman
it was cool to read that he went to TLR and suggest that Craig play the field and he (Berkman) DH. That’s the obvious move but it takes the monkey off the coach’s back to not play a respected vet in the field.
Needs moar Punto
Otherwise perfect, though.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
0 stolen bases this year vs. Lohse / Yadi duo ; and only 2 attempts !
Lohse also praised Molina’s pitch calling.
"I think maybe I’ve shook him three times this year, and I think two of those I gave up hits," he said.
thou shalt not shake off yadi
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
by Aranathor on Oct 22, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder why it's necessary to start at 7 PM central on weekends
Would it kill them to have a day game or two?
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
boo day games.
Some of us have to work during the day.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
some of us live in steel cages and can communicate with the outer world only
through a Windows 95 PC!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
some of us are dogs!
but since it’s the internet, no one knows
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
some of us are sentient piles of copper tubing
I assume.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of us
have to work 29 hours a day, 492 days a year for tuppence an ice age just to earn enough to live in a pothole which we have to clean using our own blood, sweat and tears twice a day.
ooh aye, we had it tough when i were a lad.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
And yet you still somehow
found the time to become this fabulous. I stand in awe.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of us are smart enough to bring a portable tv to work
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 22, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of us
work 2 floors underground and don’t have a cable hookup.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Oct 22, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey bud,
Some of us have to work weekends and are thanking the GOB that these games are at night.
by Washoo on Oct 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
why can't they tailor it to my schedule
of 4 -5 hours of class Monday through Wednesday and that’s it? Hell, play a double-header for all I care.
Sorry, only rubbing it in because I’ll be working 80-90 hour weeks next year.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Since 1991
NL DH’s have combined to hit .188 in the world series.
I can’t find a comprehensive list, but I believe we might have the best NL DH ever.
It's an odd sitation, to be sure.
NL teams very rarely have hitters like Allen Craig just sort of lying around they can use as a DH.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I keep hearing the national media say it’s a ‘wash’ but they clearly don’t understand how good Craig is.
Just as an aside Rally Squirrel story...
For the past week or so, whenever I’ve seen a squirrel while walking into work, we’ve won. On Thursday, I almost stepped on a dead squirrel on my way in… and we know what happened.
The good news is that yesterday – I saw 3 of them playing together. I think that means that we have 3 wins on tap in TX.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
Squirrelmancy?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Oct 22, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Does yesterday's squirrel carry into today?
I think you need to get out and walk until you find a squirrel. Give it up for the team. Keep walking for miles if need be.
My dog chased a squirrel this morning
She did not catch it. Take that for what you will
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Killing squirrels is bad
seeing squirrels is good
Rh
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then we should be ok
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A squirrel ran in front of my car
this evening in the parking lot of the South City YMCA … and I didn’t kill it. That’s gotta be a good omen!
I went hunting this morning
I bet I saw a dozen squirrels
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Played in a disc golf tourney today
Saw a couple dozen squirrels.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Today's Simulation
is right here. Enjoy the game.
by Xeifrank on Oct 22, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
thanks dude!
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 22, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I like you better when you predict we win.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
That 64% is kind of tough to swallow.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out the pitcher comparisons for tonight:
Kyle Lohse:
14-8
3.39 ERA
111 SO
1.17 WHIP
Matt Harrison
14-9
3.39 ERA
126 SO
1.28 WHIP
by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 22, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
Well, except
Harrison did that in the American league in a launching pad called a baseball park. Someone will dig out the advanced metrics that take into consideration park adjustment and I think we shall see a divergence in the numbers.
ERA+
Lohse: 107
Harrison: 131
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ouch
Still, at least Harrison isn’t a soft tossing lefty
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Breaking News
Harrison loses 4-5 Mph off fastball.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
NOOOOOOOO!
We may as well just forfeit now
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
damn
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Texas had the far better defense though
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This proves that NL pitching is better, right???
Cause I think I can safely conclude this… that’s how it works, isn’t it?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I fully expect Harrison to either dominate the Cardinals
or be dominated. No middle ground.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Their FIP and xFIP are closer than I thought, for what it's worth
Lohse:
3.67 FIP
4.04 xFIP
Harrison:
3.52 FIP
3.85 xFIP
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I've never looked.
Is there a FIP+?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Fangraphs has FIP-
Which works like the + stats, only backwards (so lower than 100 is good, not bad) because a lower ERA/FIP/etc. is better. I still think it’s silly because everyone is used to how the + stats work, but whatevs. I forgot to include them.
Lohse:
98 FIP-
Harrison
83 FIP-
So, Harrison’s is better
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
oh I didn't know FanGraphs had FIP-
cool
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I still almost thought that Lohse's 98 was better than Harrison's 83 for a sec there
Just make it plus already, Fangraphs.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Probably, but it's the same thing as +, as you say
Actually I think there was some controversey about how people were inpreting ERA+ on BR, so maybe the FanGraphs method fixes that.
I dunno, It’s too early to verify that.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought the great thing about the + stats is that they work pretty much the same way that IQ scores do
Which most people are pretty familiar with. I thought it was a good idea to change the “quick and dirty comparison” stat into a “high numbers are better” stat, since it’s largely in the name of simplifying things.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Eh, it is kind of a joke depending on who you are talking to
But it’s so commonly used that most people understand “higher is better” even if not everybody realizes that 100 is supposed to be average.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Not anywhere online
But you can figure it out yourself. There’s tRA+ on statcorner.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Might as well round out the pitching stats!
Lohse:
tRA 4.42
tRA+ 97
Harrison:
tRA 3.57
tRA+ 120
Yikes.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
What am I going to drink tonight?
I’m thinking of going the Pumpkin Ale route.
Drank a delicious IPA Thursday so obviously that route is out.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
I was looking through the Beer Advocate top 100 beer list
and I don’t think much of it can be found even in the best liquor departments around here.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
some of that stuff is just ranked high
because the three dozen guys who got their hands on it want to talk up the amazing obscure beer they had. In other words, SSS.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
so, like hipster beer then..?
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
it depends on what list we're talking about
i appreciate the stats they use to produce the actual “top beer” list, because that one isn’t just the highest rankings- it adjusts for number of reviews and well-regarded reviewers reviewing that beer. the top 100 beer list tends to have at the very least hundreds of reviews for each beer.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 22, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, i stand corrected
there are a lot under 100 reviews- i thought the top beer list was a little more biased toward heavily reviewed beers. i guess not. either way, most of them still have a pretty decent sample size.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 22, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I've had about a dozen of the beers on that list
and very few of the rest can be found in Missouri. We’ll have a shot to see the stone & firestone walker beers in the future, though.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
i've only had 4 of those.
shows you how incredible and diverse beer is- i have had literally hundreds of beers i would consider absolutely world class and they aren’t on that list.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 22, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
by the way, speaking of beer.
you know how you told me to wait on the stout? well, i popped it open in the eighth inning of thursday’s game and we all know how that went. so, sorry for not listening to your advice.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
heh
it’s all good. i made the thread :P
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Same here, only had 4
I’m not even certain on one of them, it might have been a 10 or 8 rather than a 12.
The ones I’ve had were fantastic.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
You can get Duvel
bottle-conditioned at the Dierberg’s on Tesson Ferry in south county. One of my favourites. Also, if you want to go pumpkin O’Fallon is the only way to go. Vastly better than most of the other pumpkins on the market.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a big fan of Dogfish Head Punk, Southern Tier Pumking, and Clipper City Heavy Seas The Great'er Pumpkin
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
i'll have to try these.
i haven’t found a pumpkin beer i like yet.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
*shrugs*
it may not be to your taste. i totally understand that. that being said, the mass market pumpkin beers are disgusting. don’t think Shipyard goes that far west (although I could be wrong), but the big popular one round about here is Shipyard Pumpkinhead, which i find absolutely gross. the ShockTop one is even worse. so maybe try a few? some of the imperial ones are good if you like heavier beers- the Clipper City one i mentioned is aged in bourbon barrels and literally blows your face off.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
on the subject of the mass market ones, though
i do like the Sam Adams one despite my typical anti-Sam prejudices.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
i love pumpkin things so i'd expect to like pumpkin beer.
so like i said, i’ll try those three and see what’s up. i didn’t like the sam adams one. how does it compare do you think?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
southern tier is really good, but a bit sweet
I haven’t had any of the other ones mentioned. Schlafly & O’Fallon’s are both good. Schlafly’s seems to be really well thought of at beeradvocate (#2 pumpkin ale!)
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
yeah, i've heard the Schlafly is great
need to get my hands on that and the O’Fallon when i’m out in MO for Thanksgiving. O’Fallon distribute in the KC area?
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
hardly in the same class as the three i mentioned, by my tastes
but entirely drinkable, which i can’t say about a lot of other pumpkins. i wouldn’t pay for it what i pay for good craft beer, but the nice thing about Sam is that the beers aren’t expensive.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
You should really try the O'Fallon then if you can find it.
It has the heaviest ‘pumpkin’ presence of any ale I think I’ve tried. Not sure it it’s available near you, though; I don’t know where you live.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
southern california.
i doubt it but i’ll check it out.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Ah, most likely not then.
I thought you were one of our out-of-towners but I couldn’t recall.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i used to be an in-towner,
but i traveled a lot and now i’ve up and moved.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Gotcha.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
no idea how much shipping is
but the wine & cheese place will ship…
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
ouch
yeah..
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I hate shipping costs.
A couple years ago I ordered a quantity of blue cream soda for a friend of mine. It was one of his favourites, but they didn’t make the brand he liked anymore. So I dug around, came up with the closest brand on the market, and ordered some. Six bottles of soda, 9 dollars. Shipping on those same six bottle of soda: 26 dollars.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i didn't care for sam adams' pumpkin
my opinion on them is that they generally brew good lagers and mediocre ales.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I would agree with this.
I like the Boston lager, but beyond that Sam Adams is decidedly average on a whole lot of other styles.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i would agree
but they make a really good beer on occasion and a really bad beer on occasion too. don’t know if y’all have had the Noble Pils but i think that may be the best beer they’ve put out in the past decade. going year round soon too, which i am really excited about.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
oh cool
I really like that one.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Haven't had it.
I’m not huge on pilsners in general. I like ‘em in moderate doses, and the Griesedick Brothers relaunch is quite nice for just an easy drink, but it’s not my favourite style in a very general way.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't tried the Clipper City one,
those other two are very nice. O’Fallon remains my favourite.
I tried Ichabod with lunch the other day at Iron Barley, and it was frankly kind of awful.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Weihenstephaner Hefe and Dunkelweiss are around
Definitely awesome beers if you like wheats.
Not afraid to nitpick
the Weihenstephaner Hefe is phenomenal
and so widely available and so cheap for what it is. really an awesome beer with an awesome distribution, how they should all be..
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Amazing beer
I honestly can’t imagine having a hefeweizen that is better than theirs. Just doesn’t computer.
The Korbinian doppelbock is also my favorite doppelbock so far.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
On paper, it's not as good as Ayinger Celebrator
But first of all, the beer media has hyped Celebrator a bit since it’s the “consensus best doppelbock in the world” and that makes it seem a bit better than it is. Just because you’re the best at something doesn’t mean you’re flawless. Second, Korbinian is surprisingly close so it’s not as crazy as it seems for somebody to like it better.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I actually like
Tucher’s hefe just a shade better, I think. Maybe not. It’s a close call between those two, and they have to be numbers one and two of hefeweizens I’ve tried.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I've had the O'Fallon in past falls (in fact it was the one that swung me toward
really digging pumpkin beers) but I was thinking of going with the Schlafly tonight.
Thanks for the tips (though I’m in Columbia, which of course I did not make clear).
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The Schlafly is good,
in fact it rates the top pumpkin on Beer Advocate, but to me it could use more of a pumpkin/spice presence to it. Solid pour nonetheless, but that’s my thought on it.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Tesson Ferry is not all that close to Columbia, sadly.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen Duvel around here...
Top10wines on 9th st. has a small selection, but some good stuff, IIRC.
yeah even Hy-Vee has a decent selection
there’s just a lot of beers that don’t make it to Mid Missouri
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that's pretty cool
thanks for the tip
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, that surprises me
they’ve never seemed terribly interested in helping anyone the few times i’ve been there. of course, that may just be because it’s in a gas station. really like their selection, though. I’ve always heard Patricia’s IGA is supposed to have a pretty good selection too?
I’m in jeff city, btw. Just the one decent liquor store in town, but I get along with the owner pretty well and could get him to order stuff if I harassed him enough..
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I am 1-1 drinking Chimay.
Not sure if I should ditch it, or give it another chance.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
IMO, the key to this series is getting a W either tonight or tomorrow.
Carp goes in game 5, and I feel confident in that. Like I said yesterday, I’m just not super impressed with this Rangers team. I like our lineup better with the DH. I think we have a real chance to pound Harrison tonight, and am still more confident in Lohse than Jackson, especially in the launch pad.
Now, if all of this will come true, I will be a happy man.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
So what you are saying is
It is important to win game 3 or 4
Yes
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cardinals have to win 3 more games to win the World Series
it is best to do this as fast as possible.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Winning 3 of 5 games is an important goal
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a key to the series, really
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On the other hand
letting the rangers win 3 more games would seriously damage the cardinals chances of winning the World Series.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
This
Is the hard-hitting, no holes barred, analysis i come to VEB for
/terriblegrammar
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"no holes barred"
…I think you’re thinking of certain other websites
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Well hell
I’ve always thought the saying was holes
Learn something everyday
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the Rangers win the next two games
then I guarantee you game 5 of this series will be the most important game of the year.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Also
I think Jackson twirls a semi-gem tomorrow.
It will like like his start against the phils
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
of course you're not impressed because you're a homer
their offense is still better when you adjust for ballpark and league and their baserunning and defense are far superior.
I am anything but a homer.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm actually a little less impressed than I thought I would be given what I've been hearing in the lead-up to this series
Lots of people ignored just how good the Cards’ offense was in the context of the NL. I know the SABR-minded types made all the appropriate adjustments and I would never try to say the Cardinals are better than the Rangers. You’re absolutely right about defense and baserunning. The Cardinals have a lineup that gets the most it can out of less well-rounded players, whereas the Rangers just have all-around awesome position players for the most part.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
it's been two games
and neither team has hit well in those games
Sounds suspiciously like SSS to me
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
he said he hasn't been impressed
i said it’s been two games
Yeah, I actually don't really agree with RiverRat
I am pretty impressed with the Rangers overall. Not scared of them, though. This Cardinals team is good enough, I think, that I really have not bee surprised by us beating anybody.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Their offense, however, is not better when you adjust for the DH
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
homer
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
they don't have a conventional DH
their offense isn’t really boosted by that position
I believe that is his point
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=TEX&year=2011#defp
.834 OPS from the DH this year.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a rangers fan, correct?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If by "their offense" you mean the Rangers' offense, it is not better than the Cardinals
when you adjust for ballpark and league. By wRC+:
Berkman: 159
Holliday: 154
Pujols: 148
Craig: 158
Molina: 123
Freese: 122
Jay: 112
Furcal: 105
Theriot: 84
(Punto: 123)
Napoli: 178
Beltre: 134
Hamilton: 129
Kinsler: 128
Young: 127
Cruz: 116
Andrus: 96
Torrealba: 84
Murphy: 93
Moreland: 92
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The 111+ is with a pitcher taking three at bats a game.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Exactly.
In Texas with the DH the Rangers do not have a demonstrably better offense. It’s probably a draw or a slight edge for the Cardinals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
are you talking about allen craig and david freese?
they each have 200 plate appearances. endy chavez was an offensive juggernaut his first month on the rangers. small sample sizes, brah
You're right.
The fact that Freese and Craig have hit at every level they have played means absolutely nothing to the context of their production at the big league level in 2011. Thank you for setting me straight, brah.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 22, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so you don't think Allen Craig is a true talent good hitter?
have you watched the Cardinals for the past 2 years?
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 22, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU DON"T THINK CRAIG ALLEN IS GONNA HIT?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
YOU DON"T THINK DAVID FREESE IS GONNA HIT?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
IT"S THE LAST WEEK OF THE SEASON FOR CRIPES SAKE!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Oct 22, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
there it is.
i was waiting for it.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
are you just holding down shift and pressing all the keys
by prophetjohn on Oct 22, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I may have been.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Some of us have caps lock disabled
…permanently
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
EVEN IPADS HAVE CAPSLOCK!!!
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
wat?
i just have a small program which makes caps lock do nothing. i still have the key.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
i got sick of having to retype things
especially when writing very long essays.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
well that's lame
at the very least the key should be mapped to somethign else. maybe it could make a sweet explosion sound when you press it or something
you're comparing David Freese and Allen Craig to Endy Chavez, brah.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're taking general comments about how the Cardinals offense with the DH is maybe a little better than the Rangers,
and trying to discount them by invoking homerism and Endy Chavez. Neither really passes the laugh test.
With Hamilton playing with an injury
I think the Cardinals starting 9 hitters are better than the Rangers 9.
THATS RIVERRAT'S MUSIC
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Game 2 was a really cool microcosm of Rangers vs. Cardinals
For some reason (largely Cruz’ ALCS exploits but it must be more than that) the media-at-large appeared to me to hype the Rangers’ offense way too much. The Rangers are not a better team than the Cardinals because of offense. They are a better team because they are more well-rounded. Their defense and speed is awesome. The pitching is closer than many think, and I like Carp-Garcia better than Wilson-[Rangers’ #2] (sorry, I’m not actually certain who is their # 2 pitcher for these purposes) but their rotation has better depth than us and their bullpen seems to be a tick better according to reliable sources. They won game 2 with defense and basepath heroics, not by hitting a billion home runs.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
i agree with all of this.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
And note that I'm admitting that I'm going with my own interpretation of the media
I could be off-base here. But I feel like I read a lot about how great the Rangers’ offense is and comparatively way too little about the Cardinals’ offense.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
it seems to me that most cardinal fans
have focused on offense while underestimating defense and baserunning
well sure
it’s the most encouraging thing to think about.
but around here, at least, i have seen basically nobody saying the cardinals are a better true talent team than texas.
yes
without Wainwright, the Cardinals are certainly not a better true talent team than Texas. with Wainwright, I think the picture would become murkier, but I still think Texas would have an edge.
on the other hand, the Cardinals offense, especially with a DH, is as good or better than Texas. yet analysts and ESPN still continue to make jokes about the “one man offense”, referring to Pujols, I imagine, despite the fact that we have two all-world hitters behind him. and while the bullpen has been absolutely nails, and helped to get the Cards here, I think the offense is the thing that as Cardinals fans we know can rely on- we know that even in a vacuum we have a absolutely fantastic offense, and we can hit anyone (except maybe soft-tossing lefties). so i don’t think it’s surprising at all that it’s what we’re focusing on- that just doesn’t mean by default we’re “underestimating” defense and base running- we’re just not talking about it as much because there’s not as much joy there for us.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Yeah, we actually do enjoy talking about other teams here
but it is still a Cardinals blog.
The “one-man offense” thing is just bizarre. I could understand lots of people just not knowing about Craig or Freese or Jay… but Holliday and Berkman are huge names.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
it kills me every time i hear someone say it.
just like you said, Freese, Craig, Jay, Furcal even- i don’t care if people don’t recognize them for what they are worth, but Berkman and Holliday were TOP EIGHT IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL this year in wRC+, and i certainly don’t need to justify their historical success to everyone.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
now that I know the Rangers team a bit better
I’m going to say the Cardinals are a better true talent team.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It also seems that most people have forgot
that the Crads are arguably the best team in the league at holding runners, and throwing them out. Great matchup, and it seems like over and over in this series, that one teams strength plays into the others strength as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It's been my experience that, after Whiteyball, no Cardinals fan underestimates defense and baserunning.
The collective joy at Theriot being displaced by Furcal is evidence of this. But so, too, is the preference for Punto over Theriot because of Punto’s defense. I believe that Cards fans don’t talk about defense and baserunning much because Cards fans know that the 2011 incarnation of the team does not have a lot of speed or a lot of elite defenders.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We have few elite defenders, it's true
But I actually think our defense has gone from a liability to a wash at this point. Getting Theriot out of there is huge. Berkman is still bad defensively, but that’s the other reason we’re so excited about using the DH. After that, we have Holliday who’s probably average, Pujols who is good, Punto primarily who is good, Yadi who is awesome, Jay who is average-to-good (I think?), Furcal who is (again, I think) about average… Not a lot of crap in there, defensively.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Rangers are absolutely better defensively
but i would agree with mattybobo’s point, that the defense, which was a huge liability earlier this year, is now probably pretty close to average.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
You could be right about that
As Pegasus says, focusing on our strength helps us stay optimistic. It’s also annoying to see so many people seemingly (note I’m saying seemingly because who can say for sure) underestimate our team.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
hahahahahah Napoli bats
seventh
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Napoli is so awesome.
Washington should have installed him in the No. 2 slot long ago.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
*No. 3 slot
Mistyped.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not predicting anything but I wouldn't be shocked to see us go down 3-1 only to
come roaring back and force a game 7.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I’m not impressed with the Rangers so far. Great back end of the bullpen, great infield, but man, they aren’t the world beaters the MSM is making them out to be.
by mattisnotfrench on Oct 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no, and i think the rangers' reputation
as “world beaters” is an exaggeration on the part of cardinal fans
so the fact that most of the mainstream media is referring to the Rangers as the best team in baseball means what?
look, you can have it two ways (this is the collective you- not referring to your statements specifically). you can win the world championship and call yourself the best team in sports- and I will not argue this. or you can actually be the best team (call it “on paper”, if you like).
the Rangers do not satisfy this last criteron. maybe the Red Sox do, maybe the Phillies do, but the Rangers don’t. Cardinals don’t either. so go ahead and win the championship, and prove everyone right- but until then, please allow me to express my displeasure with the crowing of the Rangers, because they haven’t done shit yet except knocked off two teams they should absolutely have beaten to get to the World Series.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
they're still a better team than the cardinals
i guess fWAR doesn’t really mean anything. also, the cardinals beat a brewers team who had horrendous defense and pitching throughout the playoffs. your argument is silly.
of course they're a better team than the Cardinals
i have not once said anything to the contrary. you’re misconstruing my argument- the Cardinals are incredibly lucky to be in the playoffs. i would be silly if i was pissed at analysts picking the Rangers to win this series- if i was an analyst i would have made the same pick.
but people are referring to the Rangers as the best team in baseball. Nelson Cruz as the greatest 7 hitter, EVER, when as any Rangers fan well knows, he was, um, underwhelming in the regular season. and on, and on, and on. the Rangers are a very good baseball team- but this is a competitive series, and i dislike the narrative otherwise.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Everyone knows the Cardinals weren't supposed to be here
But they are and we’re just trying to win a few games of baseball against another group of people who also happen to play baseball.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, this
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
my best guess is this:
his argument is that we can’t say the rangers aren’t the best team in baseball without simultaneously saying that the cardinals are better than the rangers.
i know, right?
2004 is a good example of what's being discussed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
just... stop.
the real-world rangers aren’t as good as the media-narrative rangers. people here have pointed that out, and i agree with them.
the cardinals are also not as good as the rangers. almost everybody here acknowledges that.
there is zero reason for this to continue any further.
as of the first round of the playoffs, i'd argue that the cardinals were.
but really… you’re just arguing for argument’s sake at this point — again, contrarian — so i’m done indulging you.
the media made it seem like the cardinals
were a bad team that made it into the playoffs. the cardinals did squeak into the playoffs but they fixed the bullpen issues that had plagued them for most of the season.
This sounds like an example of a team being better than the "media narrative" type
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I mean, this is our whole point
In our opinion, the Rangers are a team whose media narrative made them seem better than they are, and the Cardinals are a team whose media narrative actually made them seem worse than they are. I wouldn’t even ask you to agree about this (because so much subjectivity comes into it), but that is all we’re saying. In this sense the Cardinals are surprisingly close to the Rangers.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
+1
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
great, so now we've implicitly acknowledged agreement of the same thing, and that you're just continuing to semi-troll
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
great idea.
me too!
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Using a FIVE GAME SAMPLE SIZE
to evaluate the Brewers is silly.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Four is even sillier.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It was kind of sad for the Brewers that they started to fall apart right when we put it all together
I felt so bad for Marcum, specifically. The defense got cringe-worthy by the end.
But this is actually an argument in favor of the Cardinals’ chances, in my opinion. The Brewers were a superior team on paper than the Cardinals, I think (or at least they had a better year). It wasn’t huge, but they outperformed us in the expected win/loss that MLB.com uses, and in B-Pro’s third order wins by a larger amount. But I’m not sure the Cardinals team on the field was a worse team than the Brewers, in the NLCS.
The Cardinals as-is are closer to the Rangers as-is than the SABR-type analysis shows, I think, due to similar factors. The Cardinals have improved their main faults from the year considerably, but those faults still show up in the season’s numbers. The Rangers, through no fault of their own, do not have Hamilton at anything like 100%. Their batting order leaves much to be desired in my opinion. Etc., etc.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
The problem with so many measures--such as third-order wins--is that they represent the entire 2011 season
and not the Cardinals as constructed in October. Many clubs are superior on paper to the Cards if we look at season-long stats. But, in terms of talent on the field, that gap has shrunk or is nonexistent. I thought we were evenly matched with Milwaukee in the NLCS. In fact, we might have been fielding the better team.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's weird to me how many people seem to be ignoring these kinds of factors
Just now I was looking at a predictions thread for game three on minorleagueball.com. One commenter picked Rangers in tonight’s game and the series, with the explanation that they simply have “too much hitting”. An otherwise very well-informed friend of mine who is a Rangers fan cited the Cardinals’ team UZR rating for 2011 recently. I could forgive that because he doesn’t follow the Cardinals like I do. But if it’s someone’s job to do this, I would expect them to put a bit more research into it before declaring the Cardinals’ defense awful or something. It’s actually not bad right now.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
this.
We all realize that the Rangers as constructed are a better team than the Cardinals.
But the difference between the two teams isn’t very large. In particular, the Cardinals’ offense is as good as the Rangers’, and maybe better.
While I’m not impressed with the Rangers’ starting pitching, it’s still better than the Cardinals’ at this point in time. But they don’t have a starter as good as Carpenter, and we do.
I’d take Feliz over Motte any day of the week, and Ogando over anyone in the Cards’ pen, but Lance Lynn, Scrabble and Salas aren’t chopped liver either.
The point is, these teams are a lot closer than the MSM is suggesting.
by mattisnotfrench on Oct 22, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure it was an exaggeration at the beginning of the series
I could be wrong about that. When we won the first game the storyline got different real quick.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
maybe so, and i don't care.
the point in the argument when we’re arguing about how the media characterizes another baseball team is well past the end of the argument, for me.
The Cardinals most certainly are not
But that’s not the point.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
fact
and the poor lineup management by Washington- shuffle the order around to reflect who the best hitters on this team actually are and take Hamilton’s injury into account, and I am a lot more scared of this team.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
seems like Ron Washington is a guy who I'd rightly give 110% if he was my
baseball-king, but boy is he an awful tactical manager.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't even think he's an awful tactical manager in some respects
he’s certainly made what seem to be the correct bullpen moves at every point this series (yes, i will accept the point that when all of your relievers are that good, it’s always a good move), and the lineup seems like it makes sense based on your ex prior expectations of what was going to happen this season (except maybe batting Elvis 2nd, but managers always fuck up the 2 spot- see La Russa, Tony in a lot of games Craig Allen doesn’t play in), but he just hasn’t adapted at all to the changing circumstances with the lineup… it’s really weird.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
healthy and hot pujols and holliday make us scarier.
If the middle of the order all clicks at once for the Cards (has this happened yet this year?), they are very tough to beat.
by mattisnotfrench on Oct 22, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
man I'm glad I missed the fallout on this comment
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
so much fun
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
gaaaaaah please win this game tonight
because if not, i’ll be way too freaking out about tomorrow night’s game. just… score 10 runs right away and then take lohse out, okay?
This post and the comments in the thread are making me feel a lot better about the next three
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nothing shocking media hardly giving a chance against the
hard throwing lefty * nothing the cards have seen* and loshe with a short hook
i hope loshe goes a srtong 6, that being said not sur ehow much ill watch tonight…this sereis gets me stressed i know to many fair weather texas fans
because TLR
Ok Cards, I need this
The Vols are mediocre at best, Arsenal are in crisis™, the colts suck, the grizzlies are being locked out of a promising season, and I don’t get to see Apollo Anton Ohno for another 2 years.
I NEED THIS!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Must not be counting the soft tossers
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who is harrison most similar to?
anybody know of some current comps?
baseball reference lists chris narveson. um.
by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know
but FESPN2 put up an info graphic this morning showing Cardinals record against lefties who throw with an average velocity over 92 MPH this morning, and the results were not good (I have no idea what the sample size is, and I would tend to disregard these numbers, but the point is made- hard throwing LH SP are pretty rare, and usually pretty good).
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuff-wise,
a little like Johan Santana, the good version. (Seriously) Results-wise, he doesn’t strike out nearly as many as he should with his stuff. Throws hard, has a really nice changeup, but the breaking ball isn’t always there, and his command comes and goes.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the few games they struggled against a soft-tossing lefty stick out more in one's mind than the games they hit against them.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yea
I’ve just been playing in the perceived narrative that we suck against them
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In years past, we have.
So, when we struggle in ‘11, it’s familiar. But that narrative doesn’t hold water in ’11.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
MLB Network is so maddening.
Every single analyst (if you can call them that) picks the Rangers. LOL
Well they should
They are the favorite. It’s just, they are like a 60-40 favorite and there are 5 fucking games to play.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I go back and forth about whether I should be annoyed with this phenomenon
We logically think that since the Rangers are favorites but not gigantic favorites, that too many people are picking the Rangers, because the picks are pretty overwhelming in their favor so far. But, then I think… if you ask a hundred people to pick between the 60% likelihood outcome and the 40%, is there any reason somebody should go for the 40%? There has to be a well-researched psychological phenomenon which isolates this, I just don’t know the name. As long as the difference is significant I’m not surprised that almost everybody chooses the more likely outcome.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I'm not annoyed.
I think if there’s a clear 60% favorite, 90+% of talking heads ought to pick that team.
Yeah, that's what I mean
At first I was annoyed/surprised… then I stopped and thought about it and had a kind of “oh yeah, of course” moment.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
not worth getting excited about
a) the Rangers are a little better than the Cardinals right now, IMO
b) a lot of those guys don’t really know the teams that well and use season record as a shorthand.
maddening?
I find the opposite true. I’d rather lose when we are expected to lose than lose when we are expected to win. Vice versa for winning; it just makes the games sweeter.
by hr on Oct 22, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WORLD SERIES!!!"
Go Cards.
by stlfan on Oct 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about you
but I’m actually excited to see what our boys can do at the Ballpark in Arlington. I think it’ll be a home run derby tonight.
Jim Bowden is funny.
He makes good points about some things, and then proceeds to say things like this:
I expect Mitch Moreland to contribute significantly in the next two games. He’s a competitor who is certainly not happy with his postseason performance so far. He’s a little angry about not playing so I expect him to come out with some fire in his belly, whether pinch hitting or as a DH.
Ah yes, the old fire-in-the-belly effect.
do we think Moreland's going to get a start at 1B in Texas?
or is the current lineup just going to get shuffled giving other folks turn at DH? I would find it hard to believe that the Rangers would start Napoli in the field for the entire series.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
They announced it will be Napoli at first
Torrealba catching and Young DHing with Murphy in left for game 3. At least that is what Washington said yesterday.
no, i know for game 3
i meant the rest of the 3 games in TExas.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
I heard tony la russa has kicked david freese
In the nuts every day this postseason to create just this effect.
home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 22, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was my understanding
that was done to prepare him for the potential of having to play left field at some point in the series due to substitutions.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
too soon.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No no no no no no no
and many more times no. I’d rather have Young’s below average defense out there instead of Moreland’s slumping bat.
Run if you intend you survive,
For the beast is coming to life.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Oct 22, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Reading through this thread
I will just say people saying “the Rangers aren’t very impressive” need to simmer down a bit. Just because they didn’t hit for a couple games doesn’t mean anything. Whatever your impression of the Rangers was before the series should not have changed based on a couple games.
That said, I think their offense does get overhyped to some extent and its because they have guys that put up sick fantasy type stats in that park. National media types will go through their lineup and see all the RBI’s and batting averages and cream themselves. But their offense really isn’t the same on the road. I expect them to hit at home like they always do.
playing in arlignton
with that lineup scares me. and with the cards up and down SP it seems like a really bad possibility
because TLR
And I think you're completely missing the point.
If you have to qualify every statement about their offense with, “In their ballpark,” then what does that really say? What, that they’re capable of putting up huge offensive stats while playing in a cartoon bandbox? Brilliant analysis there.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 22, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
basically the point red baron is making
is that our offense (park-adjusted) and their offense (park-adjusted) are very similar to one another, so since they’re both playing in the same park (and this one’s a bandbox) both teams’ offenses are STILL comparable.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
huh?
I don’t remember who said what, I just recall reading people that were saying how unimpresive the Rangers have been and I think that is dumb to draw that conclusion from 2 games. As I said, I agree their offense get over hyped due to their park so I actually agree with you…
I expect us to hit a lot better
We’ve hit at least 4 warning track shots that are HRs in warmer weather and in that park.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think the Cardinals are the better team and we will prove it by winning the World Series.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
I think the Cardinals are probably not the better team
But it doesn’t matter because there’s a very good chance we win the world series. Than everyone can get the fudge out.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
uh-oh, VEB. You're infecting the other parts of my life.
I just used “woooooooooooooooooooooooo” in a non-baseball situation.
Still not a werewolf.
"other parts of my life"
wat
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Lohse
but they have the two highest FB% of the starting rotation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ejax has been scaring the crap out of me this playoffs
I was supporting him all through out. And now I want Westbrook to take his start
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds great in theory with Westbrook's ground ball rate.
But honestly, he hasn’t pitched competitively in so long, it wouldn’t matter. He’d be done by the 3rd inning.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Under 400 feet, Jackson; over 400 feet Lohse.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
with the roster
needing attention holes at 3b, and 1b to fill…
i would like to see him over spend on Prince, but would hate to see prince full time there
because TLR
As long as we can get Waino back and establish Shelby in the rotation at some point next year.
I wouldn’t be worried.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
not worried
kind intrigued. all the hype surrounding him, i don’t imagine the cubs being a fast fix.
because TLR
Honestly how much better can the guy be than any intelligent GM
A large amount of his success can be directly attributable to finding 33 WAR out of thin air from David Ortiz and not trading Kevin Youkilis (who was already in the organization). How much of that was really skill vs. luck, and how many current GMs now have the tools to make the same decision anyway?
I don’t doubt that the Cubs are getting themselves a much better “President” than Jim Hendry, but I feel that there’s just tons of guys capable of managing player acquisition/development with a big budget.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah it's not like he's going ot the pirates
where he’d really have to flash intelligence with a thin payroll and better spending. the cubs like the red sox can afford cough to make a bad investment or two..
i kinda want to see him fail, already had a cub fan say something about theo weeks ago..
because TLR
Rangers
bq.Kinsler, 2b; Andrus, ss; Hamilton, cf; Young, dh; Beltre, 3b; Cruz, rf; Napoli, c; Murphy, lf; Torrealba, c; Harrison, p.
fail
bq, Kinsler, 2b; Andrus, ss; Hamilton, cf; Young, dh; Beltre, 3b; Cruz, rf; Napoli, c; Murphy, lf; Torrealba, c; Harrison, p.
oh my god haha
Kinsler, 2b; Andrus, ss; Hamilton, cf; Young, dh; Beltre, 3b; Cruz, rf; Napoli, c; Murphy, lf; Torrealba, c; Harrison, p.
Cool, no firstbasemen.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Napoli to 1B, not C, i imagine?
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
I know I'm overreacting and it's not that big of a deal
but it just delights me how terribly constructed this lineup is.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching MLB Network
Washington’s reasons for starting Torrealba- he likes his “national league experience” and he has “brought a lot to team meetings.” You can’t make this stuff up.
What's the worst that could happen?
We lose the WS. The important thing in a baseball season is to trounce and humiliate our enemies in Chicago, Milwaukee, Houston, and Cincinnati, and we’ve done that.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
by guayzimi on Oct 22, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't quite get the WS-is-secondary attitude.
I know a lot of people who have it, but it’s not for me. Oh well.
We all want to win the World Series.
Just not all of is will be completely dejected if they don’t.
by mattisnotfrench on Oct 22, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I was completely crushed by 2004.
This is different. But I still really, really want to win the World Series.
I think it’s going to happen, too.
by mattisnotfrench on Oct 22, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i will be dejected
hell i was crushed all day yesterday from the game 2 loss. so much has to go right to make it to the WS, who knows when we will be back.
Next year in all likelihood...
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Seriously, I present to you a lazy WAG with cheap ownership, and pessimistic projections where no one gets better
1B Berkman 3 WAR
2B AboveAverage(fortheCardinals)2B 1 WAR
SS Furcal? 1 WAR
3B Freese + DavidFreese’sInjuryCaddie™ 2.5 WAR
LF Holliday 4.5 WAR
CF Jay 2.5 WAR
RF Craig 2 WAR
C Molina 3 WAR
Descalso .5 WAR
Punto? 1 WAR
Chambers .5 WAR
BackupC, Whoever, LaRussa’sPetDogshitMIFer -1 WAR
Wainwright 2.5 WAR
Carp 2.5 WAR once his elbow blows out into an infinite number of pieces the size of the singularity
Garcia 3 WAR
Lohse 2 WAR
Jakelby Millbrook 1.5 WAR
Motte 1.5 WAR
Salas 1 WAR
Lynn 1 WAR
Scrabble 1 WAR
Cleto, Whoever, LaRussa’sPetDogshitReliever -1 WAR
Even with that terrible team, that’s still something approaching a .500. I’d like to think that St. Louis would revolt if DeWitt and Co failed to sign Pujols then failed to sign ANY FA of note, but that’s a pretty solid floor to have.
Not afraid to nitpick
That's an 84 win team...
All we need for another run is for Matt Adams to duplicate Pujols’ 2001 campaign…
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Older fans tend to feel that way b/c...
back when there were two teams in the playoffs, the WS was kind of like an exhibition pitting two champions against one another. The greatness of an organization was measured in “pennants” not WS wins.
Then when they went to four playoff teams, it was still kind of an exhibition among champions – the division winners. Now that we have a second place team vs. a team that won a four-team division it’s not clear what the WS is…
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
this season was far beyond anyones expectations
so a loss wouldnt be like 04(even though carp was out) but for me
losing to Texas and the fair weather fans is not pleasant. I havent been as into this WS as much, but i still consider myself a devoted fan. I remember the days of Juan agusto, Felix Jose, and others so it’s tough to me to lose to a team (state) that has tons of fair weather fans
non of that reflects the Rangers themselves. I’d probably root for them if they wern’t playing the cards…I remeber watching Young when i lived outside of dallas always wanted him in a birds uni
because TLR
Is that because the weather of late has been so foul?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
heh.
That’s how I know. The team is terrible, but the fans I know still watch the games and follow the team. Not as vocally as they did in the mid-2000s, but they’re still around, antagonizing as ever.
Still not a werewolf.
clank i have family in houston
and most of them are not “die hards” not just the fam. but people i have met…some are but most are not…
because TLR
my scope of Astros fans is limited to males in their 20s, so maybe that's a factor
Still not a werewolf.
i have family friends there
lived there for 8 mos, and lived in texas east of dallas for about 2.5 ish yrs
because TLR
mostly pity for me
if and when they move to the AL, they should have a name change.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Oct 22, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the fair weather fan accusation but I am not sure I really care all that much
I mean, is there any professional team in sports that could overshadow somebody more than the Dallas Cowboys? It’s a lot to ask of the Dallas area to have tons of hardcore fans of the Cowboys, Mavericks, and Rangers (and I had to look up if the Stars are still around). Of course there are going to be casual fans who all of a sudden start going to the games more when their team is actually good. I went to college in Dallas, and the Rangers were pretty bad for a while.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I don't mind it, either.
It’s nice to have Texans care about baseball again. I like talking baseball.
Still not a werewolf.
im just saying when they are in your friend circle
for me it’s more tolerable when they talk smack and you know they are real fans..at least for me..the others im like really name a relief pitcher or something..
because TLR
I think it's more a matter of apples and oranges.
The difference between the AL (and its $%^&*# DH) and NL is so great, IMO, that the two teams that make it to the Series aren’t strictly comparable. Pennants are won on an even footing. The Series is not.
If anything, I draw an opposite conclusion from yours. The Series DID matter in the Old Days. I am old enough to have lived and died with the Cardinals in the 64, 67 and 68 Series. I still felt that way in 1985 (f****** Don Denkinger…). That was before the divergence into non-DH baseball, and DH non-baseball, was as great as it is today. Now …
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Oct 22, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't hesitate to declare this season a success regardless of the Series outcome.
Still not a werewolf.
A "relative" great success, at least, for sure.
But no season is a COMPLETE success without winning that final game.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Oct 22, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what makes baseball fun, this is where you want to be
Don’t be scared of that.
Not afraid to nitpick
a million miles away
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
I get hystrical - hysteria
Oh, can you feel it (Oh can you feel it)
Do you believe it (Do you believe it)
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
and turn it inside out
out
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Honestly, our lineup looks WAY better than theirs tonight.
But Lohse still has to be good for it to matter.
I think it's only appropriate that the Cardinals win with a score of say
24-11.
The eighteen run top of 1st will let us leave Lohse in to absorb some innings and run.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The details always sink us...
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
If we can keep them under 4 runs, I'd be happy with that.
Except if we lose.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be okay with giving up 10 runs.
As long as we win.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Oct 22, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
more that i just never have confidence in lohse
maybe that’s irrational, i just have never liked him.
With Lohse?
Against this lineup in TEX, I will be happy with 3 runs over 5. I don’t see us having any problems scoring, I just hope between Lohse/Ejax that we get at least one decent start and they dont both shit the bed.
by mick311 on Oct 22, 2011 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i am so f'n drunk
GO CARDINALS
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
by Aranathor on Oct 22, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you're gonna pass out before the game, aren't you?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
never sir!
i’m gonna make stupid comments though
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 22, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
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Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
A southpaw no less
Get it, guys? See what I did there? I left this thread open on my computer by mistake which is why I’m commenting on it on Sunday afternoon. Sue me.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOrld Series
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo speaks (via MLB trade rumors)
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 6:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mo speaks (via MLB trade rumors via Hummel)
“I’m not going to point anybody out specifically but there definitely was a robust debate internally on what we should do. But in the end, everybody believed it was what was best for the organization.”
Which of you guys is in the front office?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 6:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If everyone in the FO thought the best thing for the team...
was to trade a potential superstar for a couple relievers and a rental…. I fear for the future.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
maybe there was more to it than that
i’m not saying there is, but when colby has a .100 BA and says to the media that he’s not working on anything contrary to what jays coaching staff says, it seems silly to dismiss off the field issue as a consideration
I agree with this
I didn’t like the trade at the time, and I still feel like there is a good chance Colby becomes a star, but it seemed highly unlikely that was ever going to happen here, at least to me anyway. I still feel like they should have gotten more….the Rays package was better, but he had to go, and hey, some of those bullpen pieces have helped earn us a trip to the WS
by mick311 on Oct 22, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nd Jackson beat the phils in game 4
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to be clear, this is not at all what i'm saying
there is a good chance Colby becomes a star, but it seemed highly unlikely that was ever going to happen here
i don’t buy this
but he had to go
and this is conjecture
it was still a shitty trade given the facts that we know. i’m only allowing for the possibility of facts that we don’t know
given the sudden nature of the trade
I think it’s pretty clear there was more going on between the various parties than the public was told about.
The interview you were referring to (where he said he wasn’t working on anything, contradicting the Toronto staff) still blows my mind 2-3 weeks later.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
yeah
i mean it’s pretty obvious that other things were going on, i just don’t want to draw conclusions based on things that i know i dont know
When isn't there the possibility of facts we don't know?
Is this really the totality of your contribution to the topic?
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
I thought I made it pretty clear that was
“my opinion”…but you decided to cut that out of your block quote. I just agreed with your post and then decided to state my opinion on the matter.
by mick311 on Oct 22, 2011 7:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for pointing out my conjecture though,
I’ll be more careful before I post next time.
by mick311 on Oct 22, 2011 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All I got was that you think there may be information we don't know which may make the trade warranted..
or maybe not. That’s kind of a strange point to make.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Even if he's significantly hampered by OTFIs...
give him the JJ Hardy treatment – send him to AAA. Delete 2011 from his service time, and trade him in the offseason as a third year, minimum salary player when you have time compare offers.
Trading him when they did for what they did cannot possibly be the preferred alternative, and I’m sure not every single person in the FO thought it was the right thing to do. It was the right thing for La Russa to do because he doesn’t care that much about the future and he calls the shots.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Your forgetting Patterson...
He was the centerpiece
by mick311 on Oct 22, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shelby miller for matt treanor!
He handles pitching staffs well!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ignore this; I'm doing a little internet housekeeping
Crawfish Stalkathon
first mention
nonviolent protest
remarkable consistency
automated?
stalking goes both ways now
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Oct 22, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You have
Entirely too much time on your hands
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 22, 2011 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
perhaps more of a vampire than a werewolf, then
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
You are insane.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Has there been any streams of the game?
Trying to figure out an easy way to project the game on the side of a person’s house
bollocks
the most reliable streams I've seen lately
have been @ stream2watch.com. Sometimes they’ll have the MLBN broadcast which >>>>> Fox.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
I'm guessing that you don't have mlb.tv.
If you do, proxy it. If not, I’m sure you can find a stream torrent (get a hold of d-dee, she’s the keeper of ST’s). Worse case scenario, you can probably get a crappy feed off of justin tz, or something similar.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Ugh
As I’m the go-to editor in the family, my brother emailed me his essays for his business school application. I was unaware that these essays are essentially resumes in paragraph format.
As I have little experience in hiring or admissions, I have no idea what’s desired.
Can I just edit it for grammar and be done?
Still not a werewolf.
or you could be really ass-hole-ish
and fuck it all up
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Remember this?
Allen Craig is batting 2nd in the World Series.
Allen Craig is batting 2nd in the World Series.
Allen Craig is batting 2nd in the World Series.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Oct 22, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
clarification on my Texas fairweather comment
now i do have some real fans i know of in my list on F.B. but here is one who posted hopeing the rangers kick @%%
me: arent you from IL?
her: yeah but my hearts in TX
me: didn’t know you liked baseball
her: i like batting. i seldom watch it butt my team is going for the championship so i think all of TX is tuning in.
also had a friend who is a red sawk fan and rooting fo rhis home team. who lieks to talk smack. i said you have two teams in the same league and so you talk smack with both? good thing you didnt like the tigers in 06
because TLR
Clydesdales in Arlington???
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
Game 6 tickets briefly dipped to $275 today
but have gone back up to $294.
Man, that’s a huge chunk of change.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 22, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
They were down to $225 around 4PM.
You could even get REAL SEATS for $235 at one point.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
you could do what i did,
get standing room and roam around til you find some empty seats. I found a bunch of empty seats in section 130 for the four of us in the 2nd inning of Game 2. We sat there for the rest of the game
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
well we entered at the gate behind home plate
and walked down the 3rd base side all the way over to RF, it took us that long to find seats. All the standing room spots were taken. There were 4 of us and 6 empty seats, two of the seatholders showed up in the 6th inning(!) They were probably just seats that werent sold on stubhub.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Good day VEB's, let the games begin.
Don’t have any beer to drink today, but the wife did pick up a bottle of Makgeolli, a Korean rice wine, that’s some pretty good stuff.
Goooooooooooo CARDS!!!
by Tuning in from Korea on Oct 22, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
lineups
WE
Furc 6
Craig 9
AP 3
Lego 7
Berk DH
Freese 5
Yadi 2
JJ 8
Riot 4
THEY
Kinsler 4
Andrus 6
Hamilton 8
Young DH
Beltre 5
Cruz 9
Napoli 3
Murphy 7
Torrealba 2
feels wrong to type out a Cardinals lineup with no 1 in it….but lordy, the heart of that order looks fucking fearsome
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
For the record, may I state
I hate Ryan Theriot.
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
Bilingual Twitter
lefty starter
he’s batting 9th, at least. Second leadoff hitter!
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
I don't hate him, but I do get a chill down my spine when I see him in the lineup, especially this
stage of the game. Hopefully he prove my gut feeling wrong.
by Tuning in from Korea on Oct 22, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm okay with it
I’d prefer Punto’s defense at this point, but I have more faith in Riot’s bat vs a lefty than either Punto or Skip
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
by nota bene on Oct 22, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've never been able to predict an 0 for 4 more times than when Ryan Theriot starts for the Cardinals.
Unless it was Ron Gant in 1997.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh Gant's fWAR in 1997 > Theriot's fWAR in 2011
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
Bilingual Twitter
(or Brendan Ryan in 2010)
I mean, this is absurd. Theriot isn’t a terrible batter. He’s a terrible fielder, which makes is limited batting skills unpalatable. His OBP of .321 would be worst on the team just 1 other year over the last decade.
As far as against lefties, some players with worse OBP’s this year than Theriot:
Albert Pujols
Lance Berkman
Jon Jay
(Theriot is in fact a terrible batter)
He’s average against lefties (or maybe a bit above), but actually he’s pretty terrible at hitting. And fielding. And baserunning.
I can’t remember why you like Theriot (probably partly the contrarian effect) but Ryan fucking Theriot has a .292 wOBA for the season with terrible defense.
I don’t know if our standards changed but that’s awful.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 22, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like him. I used to, partly for contrarian reasons, partly because I thought he could get his walk % up, which was incorrect.
Anyway, he’s not even close to the easiest guy to predict an 0-4 from in the last few years, let alone 1997.
He’s certainly a decent batter against lefties, both over his career and this year.
Well, Theriot is career .342 wOBA career/.339 this year
Punto mathes Theriot’s fucking terrible .292 vs lefties career…
Not afraid to nitpick
(Well he is good against lefties)
However, it is not at all absurd to say he is terrible at hitting. Partly because context counts and he’s awful at defense and baserunning and basically everything else at baseball.
Saying he’s better at hitting than Ryan is irrelevant really since Ryan is 20 runs better on defense (and basically equal at hitting)
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 22, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
so completely random question
I’m looking to replace my dead ps3, anyone know of any places I could get a good deal (ie free shit in addition)?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
check slickdeals.net
they may have some deals figured out over there.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
So this Harrison guy is quite good.
Crap
2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
Bilingual Twitter
That's what they said about Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay.
Worked out well for them.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blues are up 2-0 on the Flyers.
Always good to win at other sports simultaneously. Not sure why, but let’s roll with it.
I went to a Stars-Blues game here in Dallas during the NLCS. There were like 12 people there.
That really surprised me because I thought they would pack that place out. We lost 3-2.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently not. I thought because they're good they would have a high attendance.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
On that note
The Blackhawks are the greatest bandwagon that ever did bandwagon.
Not afraid to nitpick
Once you get through the lineup a few times, that advantage goes away.
That’s what makes Pujols so good, he makes adjustments every AB.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
But there’s definitely an advantage in the first couple ABs. It’s the same principle that requires most starting pitchers to need 3+ pitches.
Not afraid to nitpick
Craigen!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
They're playing The Imperial March as our theme
fine with me. Darth Vader’s a badass and so is that theme.
Still not a werewolf.
right - WE'RE the evil empire
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Oct 22, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet 90% of their fans don't know half their players' names.
Pretty much just Josh Hamilton and Ian Kinsler.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
My 6 year old nephew is a Rangers fan
He got on Skype to show me the postseason bracket he had made. It was great.
Still not a werewolf.
Yeah, cause St Louis and its Cardinals are the evil empire
huh?
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
they got the theme from Houston?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I don't really get the booing every player on the other team thing . . .
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
nah, I would be just as perplexed if Busch Stadium booed the entire starting lineup when it was announced
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I could see it, only if it were the Cubs
and to a lesser extent the Reds and Brewers
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
In my experience it seems to be a football thing.
And it’s Texas.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Almost time foe some...
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Oct 22, 2011 7:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is it just me or does the national media have some irrational dislike of the Cardinals?
I normally don’t bitch about such things and it doesn’t affect what happens on the field, but it seems like a lot of news outlets are eager to throw dirt on us.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
They always do.
Plus fans will always pick out potentially biased statements and twist them in their own minds.
by chriswallace on Oct 22, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate seeing strength and conditioning/training staff so out of shape
they don’t seem to have a Pete Prinzi whipping people into shape
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
It's my fat coach theory
Anyone know of an obese coach that has won a championship in top pro/college sports?
Not afraid to nitpick
i assume you mean head coach or manager
and not assistants?
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
bobby cox wasnt exactly in shape
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
none of these people are obese though
when I think of obese, I think of someone like a Mark Mangino or Rex Ryan
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need to specify percentile i guess
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
they are all obese
Mangino is morbidly obese. Ryan is probably borderline morbid obese.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Is there some rule that they have to run some shitty country singer out for the national anthem now???
its getting old
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions
I hear Dirk Nowitzki is going to sing it tomorrow
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i'd take it over trace adkins, idol dude and brooks
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Joe Buck have his hair done
by the same guy who does Kim Jung Ils?
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
the Mets are bringing the fences in at Citi Field for next year
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
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A dramatic change will occur in right-center, which had measured 415 feet from home plate. The new depth is expected to be 390 feet — a 25-foot reduction.
Still not a werewolf.
yeah, that seems like a neutral move to me
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 22, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They're having an outdoor neighborhood WS watch party down the street. (I live in TX)
Should I crash the party with all my Cardinals memorabilia? Bring my faux ’06 WS ring?
someone make a game thread
i would have but i have bad thread juju right now.
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there we go tomsteele
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Morning from Bangkok - the Venice of SE Asis. Game thread??
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