St. Louis Cardinals rapidly lose the Arthur Rhodes World Series Bonus
If you're thinking to yourself that that was an especially depressing way to lose Game 2 of the World Series, you are correct. It doesn't have a lot to do with the precariousness of the Rangers' offensive attack or the three-outs-away spectacle of it, for me. Maybe this is a side-effect of growing up in the McGwire-Sosa era: Any game the Cardinals lead by a run, especially 1-0 or 2-1, makes me feel almost guilty, like the team is in the process of getting away with something it will not be allowed to get away with, lockdown closer or no lockdown closer.
As it turns out, the Cardinals did not get away with their first four hitters going 2-17, or the awkward, disjointed failure of their various ninth inning relievers to turn a high fly ball into a high, easily catchable fly ball—or, I guess, to get those high, easily catchable fly balls before they gave up the one closest to the Busch Stadium pole of inaccessibility.
As for Tony La Russa's decision to go with Arthur Rhodes instead of Jason Motte, I found it odd at best—I understand the urge to exploit Hamilton's large platoon split (which includes an increased strikeout rate from the left side) and that La Russa's valuation of Rhodes is somewhat higher than our own, but even then the idea doesn't quite work for me.
That said, I think it's a mistake to reduce this game to his eccentric, highly visible bullpen decision—a mistake that comes from the same impulse that's led to a new flood of La Russa The Genius articles for the first time since Men at Work came out. It's pleasant to turn the postseason into a story of La Russa pulling the right or wrong levers because that rejects the role that chance plays in these incredibly tense moments. In a world where Tony La Russa is to blame, this game is no longer about a pop up hit into the wrong defense or a missed cut-off man, just like the NLCS is no longer about multiple relievers playing over their heads at the same moment.
I enjoy that way of thinking about baseball, and I do it, just like I enjoy pitchers wins and RBI and stories about Bob Gibson winning because he was the toughest competitor who ever competed and not because he was an outstanding pitcher who was also outstanding in the World Series. But if you really want the why of this game, or the why of any close baseball game, it isn't about who gave up the sacrifice flies—it's just because.
I'm interested in whether the Cardinals go for Kyle Lohse or Edwin Jackson for Game 3, but I'm not especially hung up on it; Edwin Jackson is probably a better pitcher, but he's not a lot better, and since they'll both be pitching in the series I can't get worked up about the order in which they do it.
As for the possibility of a Jake Westbrook appearance—for all the talk about Tony La Russa's overmanaging that would be the ultimate too-clever-by-half move in this series. It's true that Jake Westbrook gets a lot of ground balls, and it's equally true that Westbrook probably pitched better than his awful ERA indicates. But putting your worst starter—and one without anything approaching a "rhythm"—into a World Series game just because he theoretically profiles better in the ballpark actually is the kind of arrogance people think putting in a left-handed pitcher to face a left-handed batter represents.
In general, I'm not playing a ballpark hunch unless it involves Craig Biggio slapping home runs over the left field fence at Minute Maid Park.
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It seems the bigger story from last night
is that Pujols (and Holliday and Berkman and Molina) left without speaking to reporters. Saw as many (re)tweets about that as I saw game thoughts.
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Strauss made a big deal of it
But this happened quite a bit during the regular season, I think. At least with Pujols.
And really, after hearing all of the inane questions from reporters (local and national), I can’t blame them for skipping out on them.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
by lightbulb on Oct 21, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All the inane questions throughout the postseason, I mean
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
by lightbulb on Oct 21, 2011 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Strauss makes a big deal out of everything
Correction: Strauss makes a big deal out of every nothing. He’s not a nihilist, because they don’t believe in anything. But Strauss, he believes in nothing. In fact, he’s so fully invested in nothing that he tweets about it at 2am.
by Hungry Jack on Oct 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
MLB policy doesn't apply in flyover country
Closed door meetings, stars leaving without speaking to reporters, how will Strauss stay useful? His job is on the line here!
Grit != flat out sucking.
I know it goes against the grain to leave like that
but is there anything more useless and inconsequential than those post-game pressers/interviews. Has any interesting piece of insight ever been gleaned from those same, redundant types pof questions and, in turn, the disinterested responses?
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We found out that Carpenter loves Berkman.
Wait, that proves your point.
I do think it’s bad for the players to skip out like that, but it’s not the crime against humanity that requires a coordinated hit job by the media.
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asshat has a pleasant article on the subject
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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As does Morosi and Keduk.
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that passan piece of shit pissed me off
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
why does this matter?
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly thought Lynn should have been brought in to close last night.
This Rangers lineup is potent, and as good as Motte is, I think the best way to have approached them in close games is to give them fresh looks. I love Motte, but I have to say he makes me nervous against this lineup. A high-octane fastball reliever going out a couple nights in a row, they have a better chance to figure you out. I thought we had a better chance if we showed them something different via Lynn — you can tell Duncan has given the starters that message, because both Carp and Jaime held some of their pitches until the 3rd / 4th inning.
WWCD? CDGAF.
It's worth noting that Andrus' hit was on a "mysterious second pitch" in a poor location.
I think it was just not a good pitch from Motte rather than them starting to see him well. And the Kinsler “hit” is not exactly indicative of anything.
second guessing
I think they should have been hammering Andrus inside with hard stuff
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I agree. Anything else needed to be way off the plate and used just to make the fastball pop a little more.
Yadi was moving outside, and the pitch was just right over the plate.
Here it s:You made a bad pitch, Jason!
Yeah, his inning was a super lucky lazy flyable and one bad pitch not anyone "figuring him out"
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup
Just bench the guy who’s retired 26 of 27 batters faced in the postseason.
Who gave up a dinky dying quail and a soft liner to right center.
That’s just silly, it really is. Motte’s been absolute nails since September 1 — pretty much unhittable.
The worst part of last night was pulling him against a guy who’s obviously going to have a hard time catching up to his fastball and pulling it to score a run and move runners up. Instead we bring in a guy who tops out at 87 and has a penchant for hanging sliders. Which is exactly what happened.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
While Motte may have been on the cusp of an implosion
The type of hits he allowed didn’t suggest this.
With the “Mets marathon game”-type lineup that was left non-strategically peppered with defensive slap-single replacements, the Cardinals weren’t likely going to score any more runs.
It therefore fell on them to preserve the 1-0 lead at all costs, whether that meant walking the bases loaded and playing for double plays, or striking out the side. Hamilton’s strikeout percentage against lefties aside, Motte at least had a chance (albeit slim) of striking out the next three batters. If Motte gives up 2 runs or 10, it wouldn’t matter, the Cards weren’t coming back with the batters coming up in the 9th.
Larussa went for the micromanagement solution, which was extremely unlikely to work (yet would win even more “genius” praise from the media) when what was needed was to bullishly charge forward with Motte for better or for worse.
by olddomination on Oct 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure why you think I'm coming down on the "pulling Motte" side
The first two sentences of my post are complete sarcasm. I thought I explained that pretty well in the last paragraph.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Never said you were
You’re so uptight now that you’re lashing out at those that agree with you.
by olddomination on Oct 21, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not his fault
Here at VEB, we usually say something like “yeah, I agree” before reaffirming someone’s point, or else we are conditioned to think it’s an argument.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa, no need to get personal, asshole.
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by Alxfritz on Oct 21, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
+1 exactly what i was thinking
VEP’s comments are inflammatory by default and should be flagged into oblivion.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
huh?
how did you know i was actually a box of wine this entire time?
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
do you know how to make comments that aren't awesome
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i try
to avoid blowing up his ego but he does make my day!
especially his classic posts during the c***y r****s trade rants
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget Nertlerb!
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Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't understand this comment =(
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why are you jumping his shit, man?
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I came here for an argument!
This is abuse
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Argument is down the hall.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do you want five minutes
or the full half-hour?
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I would argue that
“vacuous toffee-nosed malodorous pervert” may be the best thing ever written in the english language.
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agreed
the only, and I mean the only, criticism I have of the Motte situation last night is that he was pulled.
Kinsler hits a lucky-as-balls bloop that’s an out if it drops a foot or two more shallow, then steals second against a throw that would have nailed him if it were a just a fraction quicker (not criticizing Yadi, that was an amazing throw and he’s probably the only catcher who can deter future steal attempts based on his throws that don’t result in an out), then a soft liner, and a missed cut-off that featured a poor throw and a poor attempt at a catch.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Oct 21, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was disappointed with the result, but loved the game.
I value pitchers’ duels and defense, and we saw some excellent examples of both last night. Their shortstop’s glove-flip play in the sixth was downright amazing and made a big difference, in my mind. I thought Tony’s and others’ comments afterwards got it just right. Sometimes Baseball happens. We will get them in Arlington.
If I were to construct a narrative for last night's game...
it would be that the Rangers defense did all the “little things” it takes to win, and the Cardinals were done in by a lack of attention to detail in the field. They made all the key defensive plays and we let an extra run score by having the cutoff man not catch the damn ball. If you flip the defenses while letting the batted ball profiles stand, then we’d have won the game instead of them.
by apack on Oct 21, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Apack
You see things as they are. You hit the nail on the head. I tried to give you a rec but damed if it don’t look like a flag. Don;t know how that happened, I know I hit rec.
the narrative, and it's not so much a narrative as the
observed, objective reality, was that our big bats didn’t show up. And that’s mostly why we lost.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Last night was disappointing, but there are 5 more to go.
Besides, I’m sold on St. Louis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0LNRZxax_k&feature=player_embedded
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
The Auther Rhodes thing didn't bother me nearly as much as removing Freese
when he still had a PA left. I mean, removing Berkman was less worrisome; because there wasn’t a high chance that he would bat again. However; Freese’s spot did come up again. And Danny gave up a big out.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Danny has looked pretty horrible at the plate too...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I hurt from last night
I don’t care how rational it is to look at the rest of the series, we were 3 outs away from a WS victory and lost it.
That hurts.
I’m in a piss poor mood today and nothing is going to change that until a Game 3 victory. I guess I hadn’t realized how “all-in” I was until the end of last night.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 21, 2011 9:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
yes, it's a bit of a whiplash from "don't have a prayer" to "all in". I realized last night how I have been captured.
Dare I say – count on TLR to pull the right strings and get the boys back to their magic ways – (fingers crossed)
TortyCraig
My guess as to the meaning of Yadi's neck tattoos is that they are the symbols from an ancient civilization for "Caught Stealing."
Well, it's impossible to say the Rhodes move lost us the game, but I don't think it was the optimal decision.
We needed a K, and Rhodes has a 5.73 K/9 this year, including a 6.28 K/9 against lefties. Motte’s is 8.34 and 7.15 against lefties. I still think Motte was the superior option.
But I think the worst part was that cut off error. Without that, it would have gone into extras and they’d have had a better chance. It’s just maddening to lose the game on a play simply comes down to not executing. It’s the ultimate example of beating yourself. It’s like balking in the winning run practically.
Nearly as bad was the way the ABs went after Yadi got on. Sac-bunting is dumb, but it’s worse when the previous batter just took a walk on five pitches. It’s part on TLR for encouraging Punto to bunt when he should be encouraged to take pitches, and part on Punto for bunting at bad pitches. Skip’s AB was awful too. I don’t think there were more than three strikes during either AB; I’d put the over/under at 2.5. I could be wrong, but that’s how it looked live.
Defensive Replacements
I am not a fan of TLR removing Freese and Berkman for Descalso and Schumaker late in one-run games. The outs they give away at the plate are not even remotely close to being outweighed by their defense in the field.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
agreed
less so with berkman, because his wouldn’t have another PA unless the game with 10 innings. But jeesh. Stop taking out Freese
Grit != flat out sucking.
I disagree with this as well
It’s a one run game. They need a walk and one fluky hit to put themselves in position to score the run to tie the game, and you’ve now just basically punted half the offense in a vain attempt to keep that from happening. It’s like Tony finally found out about WPA and is continually substituting to raise that WPA edge as much as possible, with no consideration given to what happens if the game goes to extras, or whether you happen to need a baserunner in the ninth inning when you get a leadoff walk.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I don't understand why we use Schumaker as a late-inning defensive replacement.
If you’re going to PH with Craig late in the game, I’d feel fine having him replace Berkman in the field. Craig has better range than Berkman and a far better bat than Schumaker. Last night was a demonstration of why it was nice not having Schumaker on the roster in the NLCS. TLR thinks too highly of him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Seems to me there's a far higher percent chance...
the Cardinals will go into the bottom of the 9th tied or behind (10%) than there is that Skip or Descalso will make a play the guys that they replaced wouldn’t have made.
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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I agree 100%.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I agree with this
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this makes too much sense
something like this would never escape TLR’s genius event horizon.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree.
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
can't agree more. and rec'd.
and also, freese has been pretty darn good defending 3B. i know single-season numbers aren’t the best to go by, but freese has been better than descalso at 3B, in terms of UZR and UZR/150
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What play could Skip possibly make that Puno couldn't?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
its skip for berkman
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oh, yeah well that's bound to happen
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the point is, what are the chances that skip will make a play that berkman can't
and are those chances greater than the chance that berkman will get a hit that skip will not
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Well I assumed Guay was joking
I think the latter is more likely.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
E4
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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I know I have made lots of comments about this but I can't help it. I completely agree with you about Skip.
Our failure to properly evaluate Skip is something that has really bothered me for a long time. By “our” failure I really mean the team’s failure. It has gotten better but it still creeps into game decisions, like last night.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Have any writers or reporters even asked him about it?
I certainly haven’t seen it anywhere if they have. Seems like it’d be a good question to ask after the last two games.
Tony La Russa is a genius.
Haven’t you heard?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Didn't think about that, but it's a good point too.
Another AB from a better hitter would be huge in a one run game like this.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially a batter with some patience.
One the hardest things about being a baseball-watcher, for me, is batters’ refusal to allow pitchers to fail sometimes. When a pitcher is not finding the strike zone, don’t help him out by trying to create an out. Be patient and/or make him give you easier strikes when he’s behind in the count.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I rec'd it too
Because I’m totally with this and hate the taking out our offense for defense. Also the offense pulled have been doing a pretty damn good job as position players.
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 21, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
a thousand times this
infuriating.
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yes, this is spot on
Bunting with no outs and a runner on first when behind by one run in the 9th inning is just dumb. You do not significantly improve your chances of scoring one run but you greatly decrease your chances of scoring more than one. Beyond that, it put Punto in a massive hole at the plate from which he was unable to recover. We would have been much better off just letting Punto bat.
And yes, between them Punto and Schu swung/bunted at about 5 pitches outside of the strike zone. Way to let an antsy/wild pitcher off the hook. And the genius manager was responsible for this.
I disagree
Sac bunting was the right call. You stay out of the double play with a guy who hits a TON of ground balls (his two hits were on ground balls that found a hole in the infield and a hole in Michael Young’s glove).
Punto, however, should know enough to BUNT STRIKES. Especially after watching the previous hitter walk on 5 pitches and knowing that Feliz has a problem with command and hasn’t thrown in 10+ days. The PA is all on Punto — the sac bunt decision was sound.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
The Punto botched sac bunt attempt and the Pujols error on the throw from Jay
were yet more examples of how poor this club has been fundamentally all season. I was hoping not to be reminded of this fact in a big spot this postseason.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not entirely sure why Pujols is getting all the blame on that play
The throw was off. Despite what McCarver thinks he saw, I’m not at all convinced that the ball was touched and/or deflected.
If you want to spread the blame around, that's fine.
It was not a good throw and a bad play on the attempted catch. It was a poor play in terms of fundamentals. I’m waiting for Fritz to break out the #LazyPujols, #LazyJay, or #LazyCardinals hash tag on Twitter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Blame Pujols for the issue or not
the ball was clearly deflected.
he should of caught it
even if he didn’t deflect it, he should have been able to cut it off
Grit != flat out sucking.
this was my biggest question and why i checked in...consensus=pujols at fault
we were still unlucky (i like to look at luck a lot) to lose this game for my own reasons:
50/50 chance furcal makes that play
50/50 andrus doesnt make that play
50/50 pujols hr’s on that big gets ou
50/50 chance jay/pujols get the cut off
50/50 chance kinsler is out at second
multiply those out…and you get whatever %
(i realize some of these result in a tie ball game if they our are breaks but just a little insight on my views)
i still like our chances in this series…texas hasn’t shown me their bats are better than ours
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Shouldn't the ball have been thrown to 2nd?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
No.
It should have been thrown on a line to the plate but low enough so it could be cut-off by the first baseman.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Actually after looking at the replay, what the heck was Punto doing?
It seemed like he was just vaguely wandering around second base the whole time, shouldn’t he have been acting as a cut off man as well, or am I missing something?
Well...
1B should always be cut-off for a basehit to right with a man scoring from second, the shortstop covers 2nd, and the 2nd basemen is usually a short cut-off if the guy doesn’t go home. Right fielder should always hits cut-off and then he’s backup for a throw to 2nd (and Punto was in front of 2nd on Yad’s throw, it looked like he was definitely just roaming around out there). But, that’s how we used to do it.
The biggest problem I had was Pujols should’ve been out there already… Usualy the cut-off should be drifting toward the thrower that way if it is short or long you can adjust and catch it on a long hop or on the fly, and you should be a big target for the thrower…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it seemed like everyone was ball-watching there for a bit...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Albert was out of position
He has no reason to be anywhere near 1B on that play and should be lining up between Jay and home plate to cut off a possible throw home. With a runner on 2nd and nobody out, Pujols is the cut off man for any ball that isn’t hit to left field.
Instead, he got caught in no man’s land which game him no shot to cut the throw off, bad throw or not. It’s a poor fundamental play on his part. Jay’s throw was not good, but that’s why you have a cut-off man: to limit the damage done on a poor throw and keep runners from moving up.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
If the throw was "off"
then it’s even more important that the cutoff man catch it.
I think it did glance off of his glove; but even if it didn’t, Pujols was not making every effort to catch that ball, which is what he should have been doing. (unless Molina was yelling at him to NOT cut the ball – the catcher is usually the one who is controlling whether the ball is cut or not)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't that far off.
It’s a throw from the outfield and he had plenty of time to move another step and catch it.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 21, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Feliz was unbuntable last night...
Ty Cobb would’ve failed.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
exactly
and i would say punto is one of the better bunters in MLB (36th among active players for sacrifices).
I suppose La Russa expects his guys to not try to bunt balls out of the zone...
so it is Punto’s fault to some degree… but there’s something to be said for giving assignments that are likely to be done well. I knew nothing good would happen when Laird came in to PR.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
"giving assignments that are likely to be done well" sounds a lot like "putting players in positions to succeed"
Which, according to that tired old narrative, is supposed to be something La Russa does as well as anyone. Maybe he does do it as well as anyone in aggregate, but I don’t think he did it last night.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
So in other words, I totally agree with you.
In case that wasn’t clear.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
he also threw one strike in five pitches to molina.
punto should have at least taken the first pitch no matter what.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
molina swings at EVERYTHING right now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
I guess you could argue that it has worked over the course of the year, since he had his best year at the plate (and not in a way I would have expected… his stats this year look a whole lot like 2008, with the exception that he almost doubled his ISO with all the improved xbh. It would be awesome if he could combine the power with more patience).
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Same could be said for my mom =(
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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
IMHO he is always looking to work the pitch count
Last night he swung at a high ball or two, but all year long (really his career) he’s swing at anything that could be called a strike when he gets 2 strikes or the pitcher is getting calls his way.
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 21, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sac bunt decision
maybe. But he should be taking pitches until he sees a strike.
by hangingfromatree on Oct 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts are:
I don’t know if I’d even bunt with this team. It is a piss poor
bunting team, especially in key situations and against smart pitchers.
A favorite of La Russa all year has been on a lead off double, to bunt
the runner over to third and play for a sac fly. I’m not a big fan of
that either especially with a left hander batter. A ball hit to the right
will do it with alert baserunning and you have two shots rather than one.
A right handed batter and a good bunter I can see because a base hit to
left often dosen.t get it done.
Wild Feliz is the most difficult guy to bunt off of in basball...
practically. And he pinch runs Gerald Laird? I know the other options were Theriot and Lohse, but, uh, those guys are better options. Should have PR Lohse, then had Punto take at least strike 1…
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
that's right.
i can’t even remember the last time we got a bunt down correctly.
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I'm not in favor of attempting the sac bunt (which I'm hardly ever in favor of)
But it’s on Punto not to try to bunt pitches that are not even close to being strikes.
He could have possibly walked there regardless of whether he was given the sign to bunt.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
1. Feliz is practically begging the Cardinals to let him blow the save with walks. Punto gives him an out during an AB in which Feliz might have thrown a single strike. Then Schu swings at balls, as well.
2. Yes, we’ve now witnessed a World Series game in which a manager took an important late AB away from the NLCS MVP and “hottest” hitter on the club. I’ve griped about pulling Freese and Berkman since TLR started doing it this summer. Holliday got nothing to hit during that AB in the 8th because they weren’t afraid of Descalso. If the Cardinals execute and get out of the 9th tied, you’re now looking at trying to win that game with two of the four real “damage” hitters in your lineup sitting on the bench wearing rally caps.
correction
TWO World Series games in which the manager took an important AB away from the NLCS MVP.
He put in Descalso Wednesday night after we went up 3-2 and Freese’s spot was guaranteed to come again. (DD bunted Berkman over w/ 0 outs).
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I still really like our chances
Sure, it’s not 2-0, but I still think we win if the following two changes are made.
1) Freese is NEVER taken out of a game until it looks extremely unlikely he will bat again in the game (so, never in a game with less than a 3 run lead).
2) NO bunting in the late innings if we’re playing from behind (ugh). Justifiable if we’re tied.
I spent the entire Rhodes warm-up period swearing at La Russa from the stands, and obviously in hindsight I still vehemently disagree with it, but with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs you’re in pretty shitty shape either way (I haven’t looked but I’m sure Andrus’ single and Pujols’ error was the biggest WPA shift of the game).
In the next three games I really think we have the better lineup. Going Furcal-Craig-Pujols-Holliday-Berkman-Freese-Molina at the top of the lineup will be huge especially with the way Craig is hitting. The Rangers’ 2-3-4 doesn’t scare me at all despite Andrus’ hit last night. I say we win 2 out of 3 in Texas.
We can talk to the end of the earth about the decisions made late in the game.
What really hurt us last night:
- We left 9 men on base. After leaving 8 men on base in Game 1. I could understand if we were being dominated by their pitchers, but our hitters just haven’t done the job and driven runners home. There have been plenty of opportunities, far more than the Rangers have had through two games.
- Failure to execute. Yadi led off the bottom of the ninth after walking on 5 pitches (then we lift him for Laird. That’s like replacing your Yugo with a Gremlin). Nick Punto then takes his worst AB of the year, trying to bunt two balls nowhere near the strike zone to move the runner up, ultimately striking out on a ball out of the zone. Feliz hasn’t pitched in 10 days, and 4 of his first 5 pitches are nowhere near the zone. So why are we trying to bunt those pitches? A walk is much better than a sacrifice at that point, Nick, so let’s make him throw a strike and bunt THAT ball.
- It’s the second night in a row where lifting David Freese, the one guy in this lineup who continues to hit at a blistering pace, has come back to bite us in the ass. I haven’t understood this move all fucking postseason. It’s by far the stupidest fucking decision that our over-managing “genius” keeps making, and to what end? Has Dan Descalso made ONE FUCKING OUT that David Freese wouldn’t have in all those innings of “defensive relief”? Because he’s made a number of outs at the plate and looked to be over-matched each and every time.
I’m not saying Freese would have come through there, he might not have, but the fact is that he’s a far better offensive player and he’s not a butcher defensively. If the game had gone to extra innings, you have Texas loaded up with their top 7 hitters in the lineup, and St. Louis down to Ryan Theriot as a pinch hitter and Descalso, Schumaker, and Laird in the game, instead of Freese, Berkman, and Molina. The Molina decision would have been understandable if he had been replaced with someone who can actually run and we had tied the game. But the other two? INEXCUSABLE decisions in a tight game. Absolutely unequivocally bad decisions. Part of the reason our club is 8-13 in extra innings is that our bullpen was bad most of the season. But another part of that is these stupid, offense-crippling decisions made in the guise of “better defense” as well as using 3 relievers to get 3 outs all the time.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
good news for you
Tony is now catching flak from the national media for movies.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7130228
Grit != flat out sucking.
I tweeted last night
that Pierzynski and Eric Karros were summarily fired in the first commercial break after criticizing La Russa on national television. It’s like they didn’t get the memo about “the genius” or something.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
this
We left 9 men on base. After leaving 8 men on base in Game 1. I could understand if we were being dominated by their pitchers, but our hitters just haven’t done the job and driven runners home. There have been plenty of opportunities, far more than the Rangers have had through two games.
My two cents exactly. It’s awful hard to win when you don’t score runs.
Yea that's true too, but it's too easy to just say "they didn't score enough runs."
That’s true of any loss, even though it’s especially true of this game.
In aggregate the offense performed poorly, but it’s not really interesting (to me at least) to look at that because it’ll regress. It can be more interesting to look particular moments where the team did not optimize it’s chances with tactical errors or sloppy play. Sometimes it does just come down to not scoring enough runs, or just getting beat, but there was more to this one.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
We scored 1 run last night
And left a number of runners on base in scoring position. I’d say that’s pretty easily defined as “not scoring enough runs”. In Game 1, we scored 3 runs.
In 2011, the Cardinals are 20-43 when scoring 3 runs or fewer. So, yes, I’m going to chalk up the loss in Game 2 to “not scoring enough runs”.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I'm not saying that it's inaccurate. It's VERY accurate.
I just don’t find it to be an interesting discussion.
Failing to score more than one run is something that just happens from time to time; there’s nothing anyone can do about that. A line up full of 2003 Barry Bonds’ will have games where they score just one run. I’m more interested in thinking about what the Cardinals can do better amongst factors they can actually control — like hitting the cut off man, taking pitches against a wild pitcher, or not bringing in Arthur Rhodes.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it doesn’t suggest there’s much more the Cardinals could have done at the plate the first eight innings other than be better and/or luckier.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
My point isn't that we only scored one run
It’s that we left 9 runners on base. Sure, you’re going to have games where you have trouble scoring, but when you leave that many runners and have very few strikeouts (i.e. You really weren’t “dominated” in terms of not being able to put the ball in play) I find it hard to credit the other teams pitchers. Rather, our hitters didn’t get the job done driving in runs. And we took some really poor PA’s last night prior to the ninth inning.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Holliday in particular looked terrible at the plate.
by hangingfromatree on Oct 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody says this, until he comes out and gets three hits.
Holliday drew two walks yesterday. His postseason OPS is .932. He’s fine.
Someone made the point downthread (much earlier today) that the Rangers infield defense made some big plays
That’s not entirely on the offense either, but certainly contributes greatly to the LOBs.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
gotta score more than 1 run. Thats not tony’s fault (although he over managed the hell out of that game)
by Redbird99_98 on Oct 21, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, we seen this game all year
9th inning lead, BS by bullpen.
The Cards have been resilient and overcome much more.
ASSHAT WARNING
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
wtf that's awful.
Sounds like a hatchet job just because he’s pissed.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Oct 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I would expect that from Passan
If we would have won, it would have been because La Russa made a great decision to leave in Rzep to face two right handed batters and to pinch hit Allen Craig, his best bench bat, in a key situation.
But, because we lost, it’s on Albert and Jay and Punto and Descalso. This is the exact bullshit I was talking about yesterday.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
the manager gets too much credit for both wins and losses. it's never on the players.
it’s got to be somewhat consistent at all times. for example:
1. when we win, it should almost always be the players. like game 1. tony made some common sense moves that anyone with half a baseball brain should have made, but got the credit for being a genius simply because we won the game. yuck.
2. when we lose, it’s also got to go both ways. larussa made some bad moves last night and should at least be blamed for part of the loss. pujols, jay, punto also share blame for not performing well in their respective situations (and pujols and jay for not hitting well). but not every loss is larussa. this board got blame-larussa happy at the end of the year. example: that ugly loss to the mets at the end of the year. the players should have been held to a higher level there.
3. tony should get credit in rare times when he manages a game perfectly. game 2 of the LDS for example. a great managed game. obviously the players performed, but larussa also handled the bullpen in the correct, creative way and took carp out when needed. larussa should also get credit as a whole for the way he managed the LCS after the game 1 debacle.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Strauss retweeted that with a "This." comment.
Those two were made for each other.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just about to mention that
They think they’re cool by sounding like assholes. idgi
Need a signachah heah!
please people
don’t even click on this link. Don’t give him the page views.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
I love it when La Russa isn't a genius...
easily worth a loss.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
what the fuck
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It's just game 2...
it’s not really a series until game 4 or 5.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
what the fuck
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
BS
i like it when he is a genius and we win.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
same here.
For all the incredibly illogical moves TLR has made in the past, that just wasn’t the problem last night. Cards got beat. There are more games to play.
TortyCraig
My guess as to the meaning of Yadi's neck tattoos is that they are the symbols from an ancient civilization for "Caught Stealing."
we needed a strikeout...
and took out the guy who throws 99 for arthur fucking rhodes. the end.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
All right already...
are we going to mope all day? A bloop, a soft liner, and two fly outs… Sometimes that happens in baseball. The series is now a best of 5 and they have home field. Nothing to whine about…
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so we're not allowed to discuss last night's game?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure...
but if it’s just endlessly complaining about the same five things – Freese sub, Motte fail, Rhodes appearance, Pujols error, Punto non-bunt – then, you know, it gets boring. Every team loses tons of games like this over the course of the year. The players gave it their best but the stars weren’t aligned, and La Russa was La Russa. What more is there to say?
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Well
That’s kinda saying that you don’t want to discuss last night’s game.
Again, it’s a free country, you don’t have to read any of this if you don’t want to. But telling the rest of us that you don’t want to hear any of it and to stop moping makes you sound insensitive. If you don’t want to talk about, don’t talk about it then. But stop telling the rest of us how we should react.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
what he said.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, you are all about equality
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If Pujols had only caught that relay...
it would’ve been a tie game and then anything could’ve happened… effin Pujols.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
We didn’t make the plays to win the game. And this game was the most important one we’ve played so far this season. So to not talk about it is just silly, regardless of how you feel about the loss or who you want to put the blame on.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Hey Four
You’re usually spot on with well thought out analysis. But “this game was the most important one we’ve played so far this season” ? More important than Game 5 of the NLDS ? A tough loss, sure. But there is still plenty of baseball to be played.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
THEY ARE ALL THE MOST IMPORTANT GAMES
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Agreed.
At this point every game played is the “most important” of the season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yup -- because the point is to win the championship, not just the LDS or the Pennant.
More important than that one. Sure, we wouldn’t be here without that Game 5 win in the NLDS. But we wouldn’t be here without that 7-0 win against the Astros in the last game of the season either.
Thing is, this was a the most important game thus far. If we win it, we go up 2-0 in the series and essentially have to win only one in Texas to ensure a 3-2 lead coming back home. Now if we win 1 out of 3 we come back and have to play two elimination games at home. Plus, it’s likely that we will not have our best pitcher on the mound in Game 7.
Last night’s game was pivotal. Win it, and we have a 70% or better chance of winning the series. Lose it, and you concede home field to the other team and are probably now slightly under 50% to win the series.
Every game from here on out is the most important game of the year.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Point taken
But I’m pretty sure the probability of advancing to the World Series was 0% had we not won Game 5 of the NLDS.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that reasoning makes all 162 regular season games the "most important," too.
Plus this is just more fun. Somebody figure out the mounting-importance curve, as a function of distance from a potential WS Game 7.
No
I’ll bet you 1000 internet dollars that the postseason did not hinge on winning game 24.
In retrospect?
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Wow, thank ghod you didn't call me
on game 63. That one was critical.
Disagreed.
We might be here even had we lost that game to the Astros.
cool...
except that pujols wasn’t in full control of that play. larussa is in full control of the decisions he makes.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Kind of a bad throw by Jay too.
I’d have to see a few replays to really clearly lay out the blame, but I’d just as soon chalk it up to a team error sort of thing.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Pujols was out of position
I think Jay’s bad throw had a lot to do with there not really being a cutoff target in the middle of the field for him to throw through as he’s usually very good at that. Not sure why Albert didn’t cut the throw off either, as he’s usually very heady on those type of plays.
Just a bad time for both of them to have a bit of confusion, and it cost us dearly.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i think on a throw like that all the way from the outfield
pujols has enough time to make the adjustment and read the throw. just a poor effort in doing so.
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Yeah, but Rhodes isn't in full control of how well he pitches
Randomness dwarfs the actual decisions making processes of managers.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really, but the post has been up for like three hours
Can you wait until noon before you criticize us for wanting to rehash last night’s events?
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Is fink not available?
Are you our designated optimist for the day?
I just want to be clear on what the roles are. . .
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by azruavatar on Oct 21, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fink left a message early this morning...
his boss actually has something for him to do, and he did warn me about fs and fang…
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Heh. But really, I am leaving now for the morning. Go get 'em (and by "get," I mean mock their misery while shining
the bright light of love and optimism on the non-believers)!
heh

HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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by BVHeck on Oct 21, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Shouldn't "VEB Spirit" line up with the Y-axis to make it more clear?
Come on guy, internet baseball nerds have an infographics reputation to uphold.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
i guess for what i'd been going for
VEB SPIRIT should have gone at the top, as it’s supposed to be the graph’s label, not an axis label. it’s just a cheap graphic i slapped together in a gamethread a while back
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
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I was just giving you a hard time
I love this graphic by the way. It’s one of those “inside VEB” gems from 2011.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Yeah, what the shit kind of graph is this?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
And you’ve drawn the role of IHB. Good luck.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
hmm
David Freese is super cute. Why can’t I find a men’s small jersey? David Freese. David Freese. [Lawyer-y sentence about law I don’t practice in state I’m not licensed] I got a new car. Not sure if I should change my screen name.
Got it.
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by azruavatar on Oct 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
fuck off
goddammit I’m so angry I’m gonna go eat taco bell
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Twitter
So you got fang then?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
recrecerecerecerecerecrec
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
these games don't matter.
the playoffs are all for entertainment anyway. we already know the best team.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
is this me?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
aw
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I still like you. No worries.
I could probably parody anyone on this board given the number of comments I read.
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Do me ;)
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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's your mom's line, not yours
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
how do you know?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't that phrase on your family crest?
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Hmm, I see this rec vs flag
thing is still happening.
This is close though less creative.
Step 1: Herro!
Step 2: Work for free.
Step 3: Deny hipsterness then make hipster-esqe comment.
Step 4: Work for free in a different sport.
Step 5: What up shitlords!
Step 6: Mock VEP.
Step 7: Mock fang.
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by azruavatar on Oct 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
ooh ooh
1) Post a series of semi-sarcastic comments clearly influenced by pot
2) Post a video or list of indie music and radiohead
3) Get into argument with me about the merits of that music
4) Smoke more pot and make some more sarcastic comments
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait guys, gotta go to work on my bike!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
huh?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
pj does that
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oh yeah, damn
http://www.sbnation.com/users/prophetjohn/search?advanced_search=true&all_these_words=bike&btn=Search&order=date&q=bike&scope=network&search_user[username]=prophetjohn&type=Comment
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa, what hipster-esque comments do I make?
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.....
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I'm serious!
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hey guys isn't such a bummer to only have a black skinny tie and brown boat shoes?
now i can never wear them together!
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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh that was clearly joking
And wearing boat shoes isn’t hipster at all. And skinny ties are really mainstream. How is any of this hipster?
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yeah, nostalgia for the styles of bygone eras is NEVER hip
by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
hehe
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If wearing a skinny tie with a suit to work is hipster
I have literally no idea how you guys are defining hipster
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Not sure they know
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Yea, by itself it's not damning.
Could be a piece of the puzzle though.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
f'n hipsters.
And, oh yeah, those things set, uh, currently? Because hipsters NEVER look to the past.
Are you arguing for the mainstreamness
of skinny ties by citing a period piece show set 50 years ago?
If so, I would like my straw boaters immediately taken off the ‘eccentric’ list. Right. The fuck. Now.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you got a seersucker to go with it?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I do have a seersucker suit, yes.
It’s nice for summer weddings, particularly when you don’t care if you draw a bunch of attention.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to have one when I was a bit younger and a smaller size.
Been wanting to get one again, but they ain’t exactly cheap.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That is very true.
I got mine a few years back when Lord & Taylor’s was going out of business.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I wore a searsucker for my elemetary school graduation
Then I wore it with jeans on the first day of middle school, and this chick totally talked to me.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a good look.
And outstanding for warm weather, as well. I wish it were a bit easier to find.
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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to break bones more often.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Seriously, being stuck here on this sofa
is driving me to the very brink of madness.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my thought.
But no one else said anything so I thought I was wrong.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Yes they are
There are varying degrees of skinny ties
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Normal tie

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yep, looks the same
at the very least much closer to that than what you posted below where the tie is the same width as the knot, which looks dumb
Not skinny enough to be hipster, really.
Needs to be like an inch, inch and a half.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I've already logged my complaint.
I’d feel bad making another.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I've figured out recently
That any time anyone does or says something that you find stupid, you can call it being a hipster.
Like I could easily say liking the Beatles makes you a hipster.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I mean have you ever gone to an indie record shop?
All they have is crappy indie-pop, and then like 5 rows of Beatles albums – no other good bands from the 60’s, just the Beatles.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
therefore Rui is a hipster, right?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even The Zombies or some other band that everybody knows is totally underappreciated?
(thereby making them quite appreciated actually, so I guess maybe that’s a little ironic there)
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I would argue saying you like the Hamburg era
Beatles, or saying you liked them before that poseur Ringo joined up makes you a hipster
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
<3 u Pete Best
The “Love Me Do” single with him is SO much better than the album version with Ringo
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See I try to defend you and you just keep
going Mike Mulligan’s buddy on me
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
And have you heard their recording of "My Bonnie"
with Tony Sheridan? I think it might be their most underrated work. They were known as the Beat Brothers at the time though
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i love that real early stuff on Anthology 1
the era before Epstein put them in suits
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
See I just think that there is no way anyone could think the Beatles are actually the best band of all time
So anyone professing they are has some different motivation.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
(I don't actually believe this)
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Skinny ties are not mainstream.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Is someone trying to squish him with their fingers?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
No just his tie
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't everybody?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i am sure there are plenty of other hipster-esque comments to point to
i’m too tired to go searching for them
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Like 90% of the stuff I like is super maintream
I’m not opposed to being called a hipster, but I’m not one at all
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Says the guy making his own hot sauce today
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Foodies are hipsters?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
No, but Rui is because he makes his own beer
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Badly!
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I tried making beer once.
It was a disaster, so don’t feel bad.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
keep trying!
eventually it gets delicious
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Well when you've had enough beer
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ok, brewing your own beer is not a hipster thing
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
a lot of a hipsters brew beer
wait, how hard is brewing beer?
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not very
To make it good? It takes a lot of practice
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yeah, so I'm sure a lot of guys do it to be cool
Just like a lot of guys probably drink beer because it’s cool.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Your definition makes less sense than the Theo/Cubs article
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rb's definition is probably better
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
in my experience
the people who stick with it tend to just be really obsessed with beer.
Also, to get really deep into it you basically need to have a garage, which pushes the demographics of the hobby a bit towards fortysomething dudes.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
PBR is a hipster thing
brewing your own beer is a fun thing to do. many hipsters may do it. but there is no association between the hipster subculture and brewing your own beer, AFAIK.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Oh ok
I’m just talking about the psychology behind hipsters – I think it could certain lend itself to brewing beer.
Not saying it’s well correlated.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, maybe
but i tend to view hipsters and DIYers as separate subcultures (this is not necessarily the right breakdown, just how i view it myself). a lot of hipsters have no idea how to cook, grow food, fix things themselves, etc. they just like LIKING those things.
DIYers seem to me to be a much less obnoxious culture that keeps out of the way more.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
I feel like we need to come up with an accepted definition
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i actually have no idea what hipsters are or what they do
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Neither do they
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They are just guys who do stuff because they think it's cool
Irony has a lot do with it as well.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't everybody do stuff because they think it's cool?
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yes
maybe the point is that hipsters are people who do a thing only because they think the thing is cool? rather than because, say, they enjoy it?
i have no opinion on this, btw.
Yeah, I think that's close to it
I don’t really know how you would separate the current hipsters from anyone else of other times.
I think ironically liking stuff excessively and nostalgia have something to do with it.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought hipsters did stuff because no one else thinks its cool
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which they think makes them cool
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
See, that's what I thought
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Definition of a hipster
Aggressive noncomformity expressed solely in an ironic manner.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The key to hipster is Detached Irony
Rui can’t be a hipster because he thinks Irony means semi-metallic, and he doesn’t strike me as jaded or smug
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
But he likes sooo much crap
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you the single easiest way to identify a hipster.
Mention a song to someone.
If they say, “Yeah, that’s not bad, but their first record was better,” then look at them.
If they are currently standing behind a record store counter and appear to be homeless, they’re a record geek.
If they look like anything else, 85% chance you’ve got yourself a hipster.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Little Lion Man is a great song
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Yeah, but
you should hear this earlier version they put out on a seven inch the year before. Totally hits harder.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not as good as Dustbowl Dance
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think baron denies that he's a hipster
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I don't appreciate having
my recent commenting record thrown in my face, fink.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a public forum, man. You gotta stand where you stand,
you know what I mean? I mean, it is what it is.
Way to poke fun at his broken foot...
He can’t stand up right now.
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RB won't ban you,
he’ll just delete any record of your existence. In the middle of the night.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
You shouldn't be speaking out of school, son.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
...is that a phrase?
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Pardon?
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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd never heard that phrase before
But it is real
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Actually,
it’s usually ‘telling tales out of school’. But I like the way speaking out of school sounds in my head, so I typed it.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And no,
I didn’t specifically mention Carnival at all.
Even though it was totally their best record.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not what I was thinking of.
I was thinking of the Cardigans’ first record, which was not called Carnival at all. Carnival was a song off the Life record, and I had it as an album title for some reason.
I can’t for the life of me recall what their first record was called now. Very irritating.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I assumed it wasn't actually Wyclef
But that was the only album with a name like that I could think of. I actually really like that album.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
It wasn't bad.
Kind of overshadowed by Lauryn Hill’s solo record, but not a bad effort for all that. I never really felt like any of the Fugees even approached their group work solo, though.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my favorite songs
is actually the “F-R-E-S-H” interlude.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Following a brief consultation of a system of tubes,
Life was, in fact, their first record. I had the right record but the wrong order.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn it, now that just doesn't seem right to me.
And yes, I’m just talking to myself at this point.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Emmerdale was the debut.
Pretty good record, but they hit their highest point on Life, the second record.
There. I feel better now.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
see my example too…i think they are pathological lie’rs too
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
More of a Type I proposition
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Do hipsters write poetry?
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Yes
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Do hipsters grow their own gardens?
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yes
but so does my mom who is an environmental nut.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
no no no
thats hippees
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yeah, but hipster's do it too
Actually though, maybe not. Making your own garden is probably a lot of work.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Are hipsters opposed to doing work?
Or just doing work for THE MAN
Seriously, what’s the definition
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in the immortal word of potter stewart
I know it when I see it
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here we go
urban dictionary will save us all
relevant portions:
Both hipster men and women sport similar androgynous hair styles that include combinations of messy shag cuts and asymmetric side-swept bangs.
hipsters tend to be well educated and often have liberal arts degrees, or degrees in maths and science
Hipsters are also very racially open-minded, and the greatest number of interracial couples in any urban environment are typically found within the hipster subculture.
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GODDAMMIT IHB
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hipsters are not educated
maybe have that degree but they know how to benefit…i.e. people were mentioning infinite jest a couple days back….hipster=read synopsis just to be able to converse on the subject if it came up
i have a shaggy hair
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i agree with this
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hipsters are only "racially open-minded"
Because they think that other people are racist, therefore making inter-racial coupling non-comformative.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
oh, absolutely. But not all people who write poetry are hipsters.
But all people who wear skinny ties who are neither Justin Timberlake or in a television show set in the 50’s… are.
It's like a freaking gas chamber in here right now. Sick of this.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
My dad tried to do hot sauce one time
He’s a big habanero guy, all that super spicy stuff.
He had much the same experience you seem to be. The house was basically like walking into a can of mace. He was summarily forbidden from ever trying anything so foolish again.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I do it once a year.
Today I’ve done gypsy, banana, hungarian wax, red thai, and am currently on jalapenos. Habaneros will be done outside.
Makes good (cheap) Christmas presents for the dudes in my family.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I just don't care for spicy food well enough
to go for anything like that.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
...To his house?
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Yeah, he makes his own
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yeah, Rui, I bet you just love Bruce Springstein
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I've even heard Born to Run
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I know this was directed at rui,
but it still hurts those of us it passes too close to, you know.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
there's nothing wrong with being a hipster
just embrace it.
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I'm too old to be a hipster, sadly.
Ironic tee shirts on guys my age just don’t work.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, I believe
I may still be dressing like that without realising. Oh, god, what am I going to do?
Though I don’t think I have any weird man-boots. Actually, on second thought, define weird.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
My dad gave me a pair of manboots for college
They are pretty nice, although I guess they pretty much look like cowboy boots, so they’re weird.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wear cowboy boots
or anything cut even close to them. My feet are too wide up toward the toes.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Aah, widefoot aye
My condolences.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, not bad.
Not wide enough normal shoes give me any trouble, just cowboy boots.
I do have large feet, which occasionally makes it difficult to find shoes in my size, but they’re not excessively wide to where normal width shoes don’t fit.
My mother, on the other hand, has duck feet. Tragic.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Custom made boots
there are still a lot of places in denver that make them to fit
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I'm sure there are around here, too,
if I looked really hard. It would be nice to one like one good pair, really dandyish, but I don’t really have the need to seek out a good place just because I think I might occasionally like to look like Owen Wilson from Royal Tenenbaums.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Tee-hee.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They do have different styles.
I have excessively wide feet. I just have to get them with a rounder toe.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Huh. Fair enough. I don’t really like them well enough to actively seek out a good pair, but perhaps some day.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got EEE's in dress shoes.
I have a really nice pair of black cherry lizard-skin Nacona’s. You just have to keep them cleaned and oiled so they stretch and don’t crack.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I must say,
black cherry and lizard all in the same sentence, when I know it’s referring to shoes, is rather enticing…
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
RB's gonna be looking for an exotic
restaurant this weekend.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Another widefoot?
I thought I was the only one.
Seriously, I have duck feet. Certain shoes just don’t work.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Well, like I said,
cowboy boots are really the only ones I’ve had trouble with. One or two pairs of dress shoes I’ve had that just weren’t very comfortable, but not unwearable.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I had wide feet EE
until I heard about Dave Butz of old Washington Redskins fame he wore a EEEEE shoe meaning that his feet were nearly 8" wide
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Oh.
Um, well, in that case I just…mrgrphmfr.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually,
I don’t think I have anything that looks quite like that. At least not that pointy.
I do have a pair of bright green patent-leather hiking boots, though, and a purple velvet pair of Doc Martens from high school still.
I do have one pair with the buckles like the bottom, but they’re more of a motorcycle style than beatle boots.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the bottom ones are just stupid looking
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, they look like girlboots
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
they look like a cross
between a biker boot and a cap-toe dress shoe. That equals stupid looking, not even girlie just stupid.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the mettle strap is the same thing on like gucci purses
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that I'm not being fair
to individual style. I’m just saying that I wouldn’t be caught dead with those on.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
no i agree
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
the first pair are close to the one's i have
mine are more hightoppy and wihtout the laces though.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the first pair is the pair everybody has one of.
i do not, because i’ve always thought they looked weird. but, y’know, no big deal if guys wear them. they’re hipster-chic right now.
the top pair I just look at
as high top shoes. I have some Doc Martin’s like that, had them for years. comfortable as hell.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
that’s not what I’d call a boot. The black ones are, I don’t even know what to say (that wouldn’t get me in trouble).
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much on both counts
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck are man-boots?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
boots
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I have dress boots.
but they don’t look like those half-ass things above.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
VEB: We mourn by talking about fashion
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Everybody needs a release point.
That just happens to be ours.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
why?
there’s no rational reason for anything in style.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I'm fine with boots if you're wearing a suit and it's raining
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Corduroy suit and
low-top shitkickers. I like it.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wear boots when I hunt, is that ok with you?
Also, what’s a cowboy supposed to wear?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
there was more to this, but sbn ate it
mostly, i’m not a fan because i see it as the fashion industry capitalizing on the supposed crisis of american masculinity — I’M A MAN AND I WEAR BOOTS ‘CAUSE I TOTALLY WORK OUTSIDE ’N’ STUFF — which i find fucking annoying.
I tend to laugh at the idea of a man-cave or
man-card.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why I only drink Dr. Pepper
oh wait, they pulled that crap too
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
most working cowboys wear Dustin Ropers
I have several friends that do rodeos and that’s all they wear.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Dustin Roper
sounds like star of gay pornographic films.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i can see that.
they are actually a highly functional work boot. you’re much less likely to turn your ankle.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I didn’t realise. I have a pair of Red Wings I’ve had since I was 19 working on framing houses, and those things are just amazing.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Red Wing work boots
last forever. That’s what we always wore on the farm. I knew my dad was getting serious about me getting crap done in the field when he took me in to buy some Red Wing boots.
Of course now my feet are so damn narrow that I can’t find boots to fit me to save my life. I’d damn near kill for a pair of pull on boots to wear in winter.
Feet too narrow?
I’ll bet that makes an awful lot of shoes awfully uncomfortable.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, it just makes them fall off
my foot or slip around in the heel to where they’re useless.
Huh.
I would think you would get blisters and the like. I suppose not, though.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm late to this party, but...
I have narrow feet also. Try Asolo boots — they tend to be narrow. These are good-quality hiking boots and trail shoes from an Italian company that started out making mountaineering gear. You can get them for ~$80 on clearance via Sierra Trading Post.
ropers are a type of cowboy boot
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Tony Llama's for dress boots
but for working boots Dustin Ropers are pretty much it.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Again with
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
If this link goes to Lovefool,
and not something from the rest of their rather brilliant catalogue, I promise to find and punch you many times.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Gaaahhhh!
And yet I still cannot turn it off.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the robot's fault
he quoted the song earlier in the week.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
This.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Hammock
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FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
This comment got derailed.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This team doesn't do anything the easy way
No need to start jumping off bridges or calling for someone’s head.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
two incredibly close, mostly well-played games
i’m glad our team won one of them.
by lboros on Oct 21, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
am i a bad fan for secretly hoping this goes seven?
makes it way more fun and exciting.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
wanting to watch as much well played baseball as possible is not a bad thing
Grit != flat out sucking.
on that note...
the (not as hardcore fans) friends i had over last night kept claiming last night’s game as “boring.” i can’t tell you how much it annoys me when casual baseball fans call a pitcher’s duel boring. last night was great baseball, and even though we came out on the wrong end, it was still a great game to watch.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
People who call last night's game "boring"
aren’t even casual fans. They should go watch handegg or something. They’re also the people that call soccer boring just because they don’t score. Well, if TD’s were worth two points and FG were worth one point, then handegg would be pretty fucking “boring” most of the time too.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm hoping for us to win in 6
Mainly because I have bleacher tickets for that game
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
my roommate has tickets to game 7.
so i’m kind of rooting for that for him. plus, i mean, game 7. hasn’t happened since the 2002 (!) world series.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
on that note, fox has to hate its life
2003: 6 games
2004: WS canceled
2005: 4 games
2006: 5 games
2007: 4 games
2008: 5 games
2009: 6 games
2010: 5 games
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I really wish
they would have held that 2004 WS. That would have been fun.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to win in five
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you...
now stick around and ban fang if he keeps obsessing.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
i've made ONE comment on this board about the decisions made last night.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Just leave it alone
If he wants to play the “responsible dickish parent who won’t allow anyone to vent frustration” then let him.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Damn...somtimes I read too fast, because I thought you said....
Thank you…
now stick around and bang fang if he keeps obsessing.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
banging fang would make him obsess less
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
this is untrue.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Tony protecting Motte?
Look this whole “Motte’s not the closer” thing is clearly not just a media thing, but was made for some reason for the benefit of the bullpen. I’m guessing it’s partly because of Motte. Remember when Motte was first made a deemed closer?
Motte pitched fine in his two ABs. But once it’s 2nd and 3rd no outs, you expect at least 1 run to cross the plate. So you already view Motte as having blown it, but if he gives up a solid hit to Hamilton/Young/Beltre it might have consequences for his confidence in future matchups. Or maybe Tony was thinking Rhodes would make Hamilton look like Howard in the LDS, but it’s really easy to strike out Howard.
What really bugs me is why we didn’t walk Young and pitch to Beltre for the potential DP. Especially with Lynn.
For that matter, why didn't we walk Hamilton and leave Motte in to pitch to Young?
Motte doesn’t walk many people and he throws a lot of strikes. You could play the infield in at the corners and deep in the middle infield — basically giving them a run to get two outs if the ball is hit up the middle. If a ball is hit right at Descalso or Pujols, you can get a home to first double play and still have the lead.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I kept expecting that move
it’s not quite as clear-cut a choice as when the same situation happens in the bottom of the ninth. Two runs didn’t guarantee a win here (although, effectively they did with the batters we had coming up). Even after the game was tied, I was half-expecting a IBB to set up a potential DP to keep the tie.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
....which is what should have been done.
Beltre is easier to strike out than Michael Young, and in the grand scheme of things, 1 run isn’t a ton different from 4 runs if Beltre happens to get into one and drive it out of the yard. Plus, you set up force plays everywhere.
Here’s the thing though: You should be doing this with Motte on the mound. Why? Because he throws a lot of strikes and is less likely to walk in a run. He also can get strikeouts. So, to me, the move should have been to put Hamilton on base and let Motte pitch to Young with the bases loaded. If he gets a ground ball to the middle infield, we concede the tying run and get two outs in the process. If he hits a ball to the corner infield, we can get a home to first double play. Regardless, with a force play set up at every base, we are much more likely to make an out with a ball in play than we are with men on second and third, and we’ve set up a force play at home plate as well.
This really should have been the move last night, imo.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I agree
I can kind of, somewhat, see going after Hamilton as he’s supposedly hurt, but I’d much rather take my chances with Motte EVEN IF Rhodes should have a better chance of striking him out (which I don’t believe but, whatever). Taking Motte out there means having to bring in Lynn to face Young & Beltre. I’d rather see Motte vs. Hamilton than Lynn vs. Young/Beltre.
Once Tony made the move to Rhodes I was surprised that it wasn’t Dotel coming in after him. He’s seemed to be the “go-to” guy after Motte (and, lately, Salas). Despite Lynn’s faster stuff, Dotel seems to get more SO (based purely on random and likely inaccurate observations, I didn’t look up their K/9 rates).
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
don't u think these situations which are like level 3, 4, 5 etc thinking
is still hard for a manager with the 30 years experience plus…to think on the fly
sometimes its best to keep it simple because in general the more you think the marginal benefit might not be that great or worth analyzing over the long run
maybe its not asking too much but i dont disagree with the rhodes descision because someone said the splits favored RHODES=more likeley to K hamilton
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
final analysis
When a team scores 2 runs in an inning off of 2 singles, the offensive
team usually has to do something wise and and the defensive has to do
something dumb.
Except it was two singles leading off the inning to guys who have speed
Speed can take advantage of a throw that was somewhat off and cutoff that was missed/not made. The Rangers simply executed well by hitting fly balls after that.
So is SBN having problems?
I’ve noticed that often this week “vivaelbirdos.com” won’t load in my browser. I have noticed that in 2 specific instances, “www.vivaelbirdos.com” loaded when “vivaelbirdos.com” would not load.
that would be your DNS server having a problems, not SBN.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, no
I’ve tested it from 3 different locations and seen the same issue, at different times of day – that’s what makes it odd . It seems to affect several sites (I don’t know a lot of them, but for instance I checked BCB) .
The local DNS server doesn’t give a crap, it just passes the request on. The request resolves – the page just doesn’t load . No biggie, it’s just odd.
that's really weird...
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Beg to differ with
If you’re thinking to yourself that that was an especially depressing way to lose Game 2 of the World Series, you are correct.
It was an exciting game. And it seems to me it was decided not by managers’ choices of which dice to roll or players’ failure to make plays but by three excellent plays from the Rangers’ MI: the double play in the fourth, the shovel pass in the fifth, and Kinsler’s eluding the tag in the ninth. I’m not depressed by that kind of loss.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Yea, their infield defense looked really good last night.
Big part of the loss and LOBs mentioned upthread.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
I’ll be on the radio this afternoon at 1:30pm on 92.1 in Fayetteville, AK. I’m pretty sure it streams online as well but I’m at work and can’t link to that kind of stuff.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Will you still remember all the little people when you finally make it?
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
does anybody ever?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
You're going to be on the radio in Alaska?
;-)
Just a native Arkansawyer foolin’ with ya.
by Washoo on Oct 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Someone said that in the fanshot too and I didn't notice.
Dumb is as dumb does.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
If it makes you feel any better, I did the same things on my wedding invitations
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they allow iPhones in Arkansas now?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Well I'm living in St. Louis now, so....
:-D
And don’t be too hard on those of us hailing from The Natural State. Anybody who’s family has lived there more than one generation is 98% certain to be a born-and-bred Cardinals fan.
by Washoo on Oct 21, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I like to joke about Arkansas
I lived down there for a few years while I was in school and I’ve got family from down there. Most Arkansans are good people, even though they are too obsessed with that ridiculous thing in your avatar.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Got bored last and ended up making this...

by addnon on Oct 21, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 22 recs
That's awesome
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Twitter
Am I the only one who can't see these?
damn red x…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
this should be green and it isn't.
third comment i’ve recced in the past two minutes that should be green and isn’t.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
So my gf is planning a trip for us to go to Arlington right now
Why am I so hesitant to throw down on this?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
Because you'd rather save your money for Game 6 and/or Game 7 tickets in St. Louis (if necessary)?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I have game 6 tickets. Game 7 will cost a small fortune at this point
I’ll just have to try to sneak in if it comes to that
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever been successful at that?
I’ve been wondering about that being a possibility…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Two thoughts
1.) Poor Jaime
2.) In a best of five where the cards add Allen Craig and the Rangers add Torreaba/Moreland I still like the Cards chances
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
One game at a time!
We’ve been on a incredible run. We’ve made it this far. Its not like we gave up a 4 run lead in the ninth. The Rangers did what they needed to do last night, like what we needed to do the night before. Motte is human & will be ready to go next time. Yes we will need to win at least one in Texas. Through out this whole post season we have responded after a set back. & we will again! The media thrives on pointing out failures. Let’s keep reminding ourselves of all the positives & keep it going. GO CARDS!
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Roy Hobbs: "The Natural"
We weren't supposed to win in Philly and we did.
We weren’t supposed to be able to beat the Brewers at their home because they kick everyone’s ass there but we did.
I know we can win in Arlington.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Its the money thing
Just over a grand for hotel, flight, and car. Then another 700 for 2 SRO tickets.
If only I were a millionaire
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
with everything that’s happened with this team this year, the one thing i AM confident in is that this team can win a game or two on the road.
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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
We've won two out of three on the road in every series
I would be happy if that continued
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The difference was small but important
Pujols missing that cut off from Jay in the 9th. Could of held Andrus to 1st instead of going to 2nd.
ya know...
it really IS a game of inches…
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This just in: TLR is no longer a genius
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinsler's SB
He got an enormous jump, if we’re looking at all the many ways this team lost the game, Motte not throwing over is right up there. Not seeing the runner on tv and watching yadi’s throw, I assumed Kinsler would be out by a mile, it was a missle. Replays showed Kinsler halfway to the bag before Motte released the ball.
Pickoff moves are called for by the manager and signaled to the pitcher by Yadi.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Motte can throw over on his own.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
it’s his job to check on the runner and try to keep him close. I didn’t see Kinsler’s lead on the steal, but the announcers seemed to think Motte didn’t check on him sufficiently on that pitch.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, it's hard to fault Motte when it happens to every other pitcher too
Kinsler has a career 83% stealing percentage or something crazy
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Fast and Smart I like Kinsler a lot
Yadi threw a bullet strike and even then he got in ahead of it.
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And it was a great slide to the outside of the bag
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by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rangers agreed to trade him for Larry Walker in 03
but Walker wouldn’t waive his no trade. A Tulo/Kinsler middle infield would be NASTY
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Motte is not quick to the plate
tradeoff for all that awesome velocity. It is what it is.
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Are there numbers on that?
I thought he was quicker than average because of some partial “throws like a catcher” thing, but I have no numbers to back that up.
I don't know where to find them
but that leg kick slows him down quite a bit
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well it's not it makes that much of a difference
probably decreases the odds of getting a CS by 10% or so.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
1/10th of a second equals 3 feet at full speed
if Motte were 1/10th of a second quicker to the plate, Kinsler is out by two and a half feet.
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Yes, assuming Kinsler gets the exact same jump, runs the exact same time, and yadi makes the exact same throw
Kinsler’s got a career 86% CS – he can steal off anyone. The odds go down when the pitcher is quicker to the plate.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at the Schnucks on South Grand in South City STL
and walked by a little old lady (looked to be about 80) sitting near the exit perhaps waiting for a ride. She was talking to the security guard. As I walked by I heard her say, “Both them teams played good last night. Real good.” See stopped to gather steam. “But LaRussa made a mistake. Cost the game he did.” Grannies don’t tell lies.
Was she short and green?
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African american lady
… but we do have green grannies in the neighborhood.
it's october 21st
and our team is still playing baseball.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well I mean, not TODAY
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rui gonna rui
in the spirit of taking other VEB-ers positions, i’ll fill in your response: “i don’t ALWAYS rui. last year i found a dollar on the floor at work so i was technically receiving income for the work i did. i’d say i only rui 98.9% of the time. my mom is inhumanly promiscuous.”
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What a dose of reality
Well, it was going to happen someday. Now I’m really thankful that least we won Game 1. What was more disppointing than the bullpen fail was that our 1-5 went 2-19 with 2 walks. That’s just ugly, especially for a team which banks on offensive production to win games. Allen Craig can’t be the only one that’s producing. Pujols, Jay, and Furcal in particular haven’t done very much to impress me.
Need a signachah heah!
Also, I'm sick of bunting and replacing Berk and Freese in the eighth inning when they're coming up to bat in the ninth
Why?
Need a signachah heah!
Understand some of the moves
But really hate having Punto bunt in the 9th. We had no bench! Why play for a tie?
Yeah, but Freese was due in the eighth right after he was taken out in the seventh
And this has been an ongoing problem for a while now. Ugh I’m so mad
I dunno, I felt like we scorched a few balls that found gloves really easily
I’m sure the Rangers did too. Even though we only scored one run I just didn’t have the feeling like I did in Garcia’s home start against he Phillies. We had tons of opportunities in that game.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Also, last night's loss allows the possibility that it was Pujols' last game at Busch as a Cardinal
I do hope this isn’t how he goes out
Need a signachah heah!
A win would have too...
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A win would have actually made it more likely
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So the Cards lost last night.
So what. I didn’t even get to watch the game because I had to work. We’ll win 1 or possibly 2 in Texas. This thing is going 6, or probably 7.
by mattisnotfrench on Oct 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
Is it just me or does Pujols look even gimpier than usual?
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Since he got hit in the ankle, sure
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Asshat alert
surprise, surprise Passan slams Albert in his latest piece, I would linki but would rather spare him the page views.
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someone's coming in a close second right now. . .
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OH! Someboady get some lukewarm water for that...
BURN!
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll remember this!
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Whatever...
I remember what this place was like before I joined, and I know what it is today…
It is what it is…
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my best analysis for last nite's game:
If we score more than one fucking run we, at least, don’t lose in 9. When you score only one fucking run, you’re just begging the other team to beat you.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
You guys are happier when we win
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you know what, you might be right
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I missed this
but why Lynn over Dotel? We needed a K there, and Dotel has 10 in 7 postseason innings, Lynn has 1 in 5.
Worried about extra innings?
Lefthander a batter or 2 away?
Pehaps because
this year, Lynn has the same K/9 as Dotel (Lynn – 11.84, Dotel – 11.68) and Lynn has a much higher GB% than Dotel and we wanted a ground ball (57.7% to 34.2% ).
Lynn was more than a defensible choice there – he just happened to give up a sac fly to a guy with 2000+ hits.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
but a ground ball wouldn't necessarily have helped
that would make more sense if we had walked Young to try to set up the DP w/ Beltre batting.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Infield was in
You’re right that a ground ball doesn’t “necessarily” help – but if the infield is in and makes a play, the runner can be looked back to third, or a play can be made at the plate.
A fly ball doesn’t “necessarily” help either; it can go for a double or a home run, or, in this case, a sac fly.
In any event, Lynn’s and Dotel’s K rates are practically the same this year, so it didn’t really matter one way or the other given that we wanted a K.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Lohse v. Jackson in Game 3
It’s not inconsequential which one gets the Game 3 start, because he’s the one lined up to pitch Game 7. Jackson’s a little better than Lohse — no argument there — so I hope that’s our guy.
Anyone think there is a chance Carp pitches game 4
On three days rest, so he can be available for game 7 on three days rest?
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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there's definitely a possibility
but i’m not sure how good i feel about that idea.
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With his reported arm soreness, I think that is less likely.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
not really,
it didn’t work out too well the last time.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
STL 5, PHI 4!
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Good thing our team is built to take advantage of a bandbox.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope not, as I'd expect him to perform poorly
in both games.
Do not want
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No, but we could see him in the bullpen in Game 7
Honestly, unless either EJax or Lohse has a start like Jaime’s last night, Game 7 is going to be a bullpen game — and I’d expect to see Carp in there.
I like this scenario
I’ll be at that game!
Have to win two in Texas though
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I recall winning two of three in Milwaukee...
(nobody mention Marcum’s name, that totally doesn’t matter)
It's already been announced that its Lohse
Which to me is a bad decision for just the reason you said. I would rather have Jackson in a game 7
so ...
jaime looked pretty good last night.
by hangingfromatree on Oct 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
WTF!? Just went to the Yahoo web page to see a picture of Pujols with the following headline
“Baseball Star’s Cowardly Post-Game Move”
Read the article, and it’s SUCH BS. These people are going to eat their words when we win the WS.
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What does winning the WS have anything to do with this
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win--->positive articles; lose---->negative articles
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Are they literally going to eat their words
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tough to do with the elimiation of print media
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I'd imagine a hard drive would be a bitch to swallow
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Are happy or sad that we lost yesterday?
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both and neither
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Yeah you're in kind of a weird place
Obviously you’d like us to win, but us losing yesterday makes it far more likely that there’s a game 6, which you spent a lot of money on
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yeah but all that money is refundable. so thankfully that's not a concern.
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i mean, i do really want to go to STL
but i don’t want to go there just to see us lose, either. i root for a cardinal victory regardless of my personal circumstances.
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I dunno, I was just getting my angry on.
Bud seriously, why do they have to throw “cowardly” out there?
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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Max Mercy rules of journalism.
If you can’t get them to talk to you, tear them down.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
because the sports media appears to be having a competition
as to who can go most over the top with the day’s theme. Yesterday was the genius of TLR, today is PujolsLeavesTheStadiumGate. It’s too bad we didn’t win, because if we had Jeff Passan would written a column comparing Allen Craig to Gandhi, George Washington, and Jesus.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
the players turn off their brains anyways
during these interviews (majority of the time and majority of the players)…at least the press conference style…you just rattle off the same sport mantras over the past 30 yrs and you get by
i mean berkman says “well said” after freese talked about G1 win….its redundant….freese is actually like a kid in a candy store when he’s interviewed he likes to talk
its a non issue for me and i couldnt care less…the media doesn’t help itself calling him a coward…that doesn’t exactly get you any interviews in the future
pujols should stay locked in and have the tunnel vision to focus on whats important…plus who the hell really would want to talk to bernie effin miklaz
by guillermozeliak on Oct 22, 2011 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That's OK
A mad Pujols hits better than a non-mad Pujols, I think.
A mad, clean-shaven Pujols just might kill someone by hitting the ball too hard.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I do understand why TLR is being questioned
That said, we lost because we were beat. Great stolen base there by Kinsler – 7 terrific innings from Garcia and we were winning 1-0. Motte did not blow it, he was beat and there is a difference. I didn’t think this was going to be an easy series and now it’s not – gotta win two in Arlington
last night's loss was tough. but i'm just not really that upset.
its funny, i was so much more emotionally invested in the milwaukee series. why is that?
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Because we hate them
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ohhhh
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the WS always feels like just a bonus.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i think its bc
your team is always plays the last game of the season no matter the outcome
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
6 feet and a tenth of a second is all that separated that game from being 2-0 cards instead of 2-1 rangers
3 feet more and albert puts us up 2-0
3 feet less an furcal catches that bloop
Tenth of a second slower, and yadi nails kinsler
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's baseball
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well said
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention the play by Andrus
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this made me happy
@dfreese23 Contrary to popular belief #happyflight is about to take place. See ya in Texas. #nlcs #stlcards
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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 15 recs
attaboy Freese
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
green it people
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by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I guessed the things that pissed me off the most were..
not really in any part… order
1. Punto bunting and bunting and then swinging at bad pitches.
2. No doubles defense. Kind of felt like prevent defense in the NFL (same results).
3. Motte doing a bad job of holding Kinsler on base.
4. Pujols muff on the cut off throw.
I could live with all of the bullpen matchup stuff that LaRussa through out there. But for some reason the Punto at-bat grated my nerves the most. Oh well.
You root for us?
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Haha, of course
Quite the inefficiency to exploit there, I suppose
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Which means
Game #1. I rooted for a low scoring game.
Game #2. I rooted for a low scoring game and the Cardinals to win.
Game #3. Haven’t decided to wager yet, but if I do I will likely be rooting for a game with less than 9.5 runs and the Cardinals winning. :)
I'd been okay with the no-doubles previously.
Once I saw Kinsler’s SB success rate, though, I changed my mind. Dude got caught like four times this year.
of all those things mentioned
the no doubles defense sticks in my craw the worst. That little pop fly is an out 90+% of the time if Holliday is playing a regular depth.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ozzie would've
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probably
‘though Furcal is fairly quick. See if we’d just kept Chambers on the roster and put him in for Holliday for defense…
(not really, but if he were available, I wouldn’t put it past Tony to take out both Berkman & Holliday)
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
or ph for yadi
the more i think about it chamber over schu shouldve happened but i believe tony just likes the veterans in this situation
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Chambers makes that catch either.
That was positioning.
Also, I cannot find video of Ozzie’s full layout while McGee is diving too.
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you're right
Usain Bolt would have had a hard time getting to that ball from where Holliday was playing. I was just piling on to the “defensive substitution” arguments.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news
The Cardinals have been good on the road this year. We have carp going in one game. We face Derek Holland in another. We are relatively un-injured. Despite popular belief, Edwin Jackson has pitched one good game in the playoffs. We have the best pitcher, and the best position player on the field.
We will win at least one, wrestling back home field advantage.
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
what's the business about the media being mad at the cardinals veterans
ken rosenthal is standing up while he types on twitter, but i can’t find any stories
guys, including AP and i think Yadi, skipped media availability last night.
which, i do have to say, is pretty lame. it basically meant Motte had to sit there for a half hour answering stupid questions.
you're joking right?
the Passanasshat article is linked in this thread.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I actually agree
those guys should stick around and answer questions. But, the outcry of the media is a bit outlandish.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Apparently
Pujols, yadi, holliday, and berk left in a hurry last night, not taking post game questions.
The media are whiny little bitches when they dont get their post game stock answers
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, but during the world series our veterans shouldn't be skipping out
We may not like Passan as a writer but he has a point. These guys are supposed to be professionals. They get paid a shit ton of money to play a kids game. They should be able to sit there and answer questions for 90min.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
also it sounds like they kinda left motte to get picked at by the media in their place
which is a shame—he didn’t deserve to have all that on his shoulders
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
He was going to get those questions anyway.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
yep
it’s pretty much part of their job to answer annoying questions. i know they’d like to think that the media isn’t vital to their sport and are there merely to be annoying (probably closer to the truth), just as salesmen/merchants don’t think financial analysts and accountants are vital to business…in fact, both of the former probably take the same disdainful attitude toward the latter of their respective counterparts. it was also pretty crappy to leave your teammates holding the bag after a frustrating loss. the press are annoying as hell, but they have a job to do as well and both parties are members of a larger scheme that puts food on the table for both of them, whether they can fathom that or not.
that being said, goading players who do not comply is a shitty way to respond. throwing out terms like “cowardly” and playing the “bad leader” card is juvenile. passhat did nothing to further the image of the press in the eyes of athletes.
(insert funny one-liner here)
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
funny that all the headlines I've seen
all focus on Albert and don’t mention the others skipping out.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Jaime
It was a good game with good pitching. We all know the Birds can’t bank on a win with only 1 run from our NL best offense. Jaime looked great out there and he needed a solid start for confidence later in the series. It’s a poor job by our closers, no doubt, but as we all know we are better with our backs against the wall. I’m down in Texas and had to deal with fans acting like they won the world series after last nights win. It never gets old asking how many titles they have.
you live in texas and you're a cardinals fan
why the fuck do you care how many titles the rangers have?
Well, see you later!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Oct 21, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seeya Art
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aw I miss him :(
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Twitter
he was pretty good for a laff
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wat
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nice post
But if you really want the why of this game, or the why of any close baseball game, it isn’t about who gave up the sacrifice flies—it’s just because.
This is correct, and I’m sure it’s a big reason why I don’t give as much of a crap about this world series run as I did the 06 one.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
because applied in 2006 too...
YOU THINK BUD SELIG INVENTED THAT?
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Well I probably didn't know about it in 06
Or maybe I didn’t care.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't care a huge amount in 06 either...
I care when the team has a legit claim on being the best in baseball, not when we’re hoping to slide through on some sss fluke.
Of course the Cards always lose in the playoffs when they are the favorites…
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
You don't think we're one of the very best teas in baseball right now?
I think with our new pen, Furcal, Carp pitching as if possessed, and a healthy line-up, we are.
I think we're probably close
It doesn’t really matter either way though.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i'm with you on this.
lots of runs, improved defense, improved pitching… and, SSS, but the cards have been beating some of the other “best team” candidates lately.
Maybe...
I just never really liked this team. I hate Ryan Theriot. I have no use for Skip. Rasmus was a favorite and they dumped him for crap. And when Patterson donned the birds on the bat, I checked out.
The Cardinals should never employ ex-Cubs, and certainly not the worst ex-Cubs in baseball.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
no way, this team is really fun to watch.
i’m no fan of Skryan Therimaker either, but once the bullpen got revamped, that’s more or less the only guys on the team i feel that way about. we got yadi having his best season ever, a full season of carp being good, a bunch of unproven guys turning into solid role players (and from time to time, NLCS mvps), berkman being on the team, sudden competence at defensive SS. and the guys seem to have fun together. plus MAGICAL PLAYOFF RUN.
so no, you’re wrong, you DO actually like this team.
Even the magical playoff run was a race to finish second...
maybe if we had overtaken the Brewers it would have been better.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
We're not exactly Earl Grey
but we’re much higher up than Luzianne.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just tough putting up with the media
and all their English Breakfast bias.
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 21, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
question: what was the actual thing that tlr said re pujols hitting that led to the meme?
was it: YOU THINK ALBERT PUJOLS ISN’T GONNA HIT?!
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thank you. i always thought it was about pujols, so i guess that's why google didn't work
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
so he didn't really yell...but the walking off was cool.
you think david freese isn’t gonna hit?
funny to look at that presser now considering we ended up with the best offense in the league
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
It must be really annoying to answer these kind of questions after 5 games
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IN THE FIRST WEEK OF THE SEASON!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He really has started to look like old Johnny Cash
sounds a bit like him as well.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Grit is a fiery thing
and it makes a gritty ring
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 21, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my name is tony l.
and i’ll see you all in hell! and i’ll see you all in hell! damn yer pressers.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
damn, dude,......you are just gold today.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And everyday.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Just for Game Thread Usage purposes...
…saw this list of Mr. Freeze’s lame puns on a Cracked.com article.
- “Ice to see you!”
- “You’re not sending me to the cooler!”
- “I’m afraid my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy.”
- “Tonight, hell freezes over!”
- “What killed the dinosaurs? The Ice Age!”
- “In this universe, there’s only one absolute … everything freezes!”
- “Cool party!”
- “If revenge is a dish best served cold, then put on your Sunday finest. It’s time to feast!”
- “Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it’s the chilling sound of your doom.”
- “Let’s kick some ice!”
- “Caution. Bridge may ice over.”
- “Always winterize your pipes.”
- “Not so fast. Time you cooled your heels.”
- “Alright, everyone, chill!”
- “Cops on the rocks, anyone?”
- “Bat on ice, anyone?”
- “We aim to … Freeze.”
- “I wonder how cold I can get my shower … Frosty!”
- “You’re skating on thin ice. My passion thaws for my bride alone.”
- “Tonight’s forecast … a freeze is coming!”
- “Nothing frustrates a man like a frigid wife.”
Thank you, Joel Schumaker, for ruining my childhood.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Oct 21, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I know, I know, I'm in enemy territory...
…but I hope we can all agree that was an excellent baseball game.
I thought bringing in Rhodes was the wrong move, specifically because the best possible scenario there is a K. Motte gives you a far better chance of doing that, especially against a guy who winces every time he moves.
Also: is Descalso an elite defender? I found the move to pull Freese, one of your best bats, in favor of Descalso odd.
Two great baseball games so far; looking forward to seeing your fans visit my town.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
GET OUT OF HERE WE HATE AND YOU SHOULDNT BE HERE
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
But to point
1) Yes, it was a great game
2) Yes, bringing in Rhodes was the wrong move
3) Descalso is a plus defender, yes, but as stated above, the chances he makes a play that Freese doesn’t is lower than the chance that we need Freese’s bat at some point in the next few innings
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It was a hell of a game,
except for getting shut down by Colby F. Lewis. Now I know how everybody else felt all those years not hitting Jeff Suppan.
Also, we don’t take kindly to your kind around here.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
(st. louis symphony breaks into "dueling banjos")
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would totally buy tickets to that.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Though, come to think of it,
‘dueling trombones’ doesn’t sound like quite the same thing, does it?
Not that I wouldn’t still be tempted to buy tickets…
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Dueling trombones" sounds like some sort of sex move
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone have the That's the Joke pic handy?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotchu broski

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
wow
someone besides pj posted this! he’s a “simpsons joke” vulture
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We call that move in comedy
“the alley-oop”.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair...
…Colby, while he’s struggled this year, has been pretty darn good on the road, and has been nails in the postseason. He held the Yankees to 1 run over 8 innings in Game 6 of the ALCS last year. When he’s locked in, he’s great.
Also helps when Elvis Andrus is behind him.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
He's a magician.
And I knew folks in STL would appreciate defensive prowess from a shortstop. If I remember correctly, y’all had some guy who was alright there for a while…
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Yeah...
our genius manager dumped him for Ryan Theriot.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I miss Cesar Izturis too
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Don't mind them.
We’re just a little pissy about getting shut down by a soft tossing righty. it’s usually soft-tossing lefty’s that give us fits. As long as you don’t make asshat remarks you’re fine. You’re more likely to catch sarcasm than any real vitriol.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I TOLD YOU TO LEAVE
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
call me when they find booze
I’ve got plenty of water
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Yeah, have you guys read this article yet about Cubs and Theo?
It’s actually worse than the article I posted yesterday. Which I did not think was possible.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I didn't understand what the hell that guy was saying until I read the final line and everything became clear...
Gary Karton is a speechwriter in Washington, D.C.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
The Cards playoff run has allowed St Louis employees to avoid
having to take a mandatory furlough
bollocks
I posted this in last nights thread too late at night
andrus was out at second, his foot came up off the bag while furcal still had his glove on him.
No
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
how do i make it so people can see it
its from my email, i copied the URL but it won’t show up for anyone else
Upload it to imgur
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
HAHA YOU FORGOT TO REMOVE THE IMAGE TAGS FROM THAT LINK VIA PHOTOBUCKET
HAHA YOU LOOK LIKE SUCH AN ASS RIGHT NOW HAHAHAHAHAH
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what is wrong with you
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
my week just ended.
i had three tests, a project, regular homework, work, and world series to deal with this week. i’m in a really loopy and relieved mood.
sorry to wombat. i was simply joking.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with the above two.
What’s the deal today, fang?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
today? what else has been out of line?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
Maybe not you. Everybody is grumpy today; I could be misremembering who made a couple of grouchy comments earlier.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
must have
that i just pulled all nighters type of humor
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm joking. said all in jest.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i didn't think he was serious
it just wasn’t a funny joke. you’re better than that fang
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
awww, thanks.
bad joke. i’ll admit it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm also just peeved because your sig is making it difficult for me to search my own comments
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
Would "IHeartBoog" make it easier for you?
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 21, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Searching "IHeartBoog" that is :)
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 21, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
oh actually i could search IHeartBoog and select "match case"
i think that’s musial-y was saying.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
i don't think that will work for gibby45 who also has me in his sig
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
SUBJECT LINE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
-fang
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
you can't really tell if the glove is on him from that angle though
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
but it sure looks like it is
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
yeah its hard to tell but if you watch the replay in real time as well from the other side
it was on him all the way
That's the glove sticking through on the bottom side of his leg
so yeah, looks out.
Interesting.
Welp, we're even for the series then
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I was trying to remember the other incident in the first game
in favor of us. What was that, a call at first base?
nevermind thats probably the best you can get
if you watch the slo mo if you have it dvr’d its pretty obvious the glove is on his leg
I wondered about that last night
but I’m sure that Furcal blocked the umps view enough to make that very hard to see.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the type of play that would never ever be called out
because he beat the throw to the bag, but that split second where his lead foot comes up and before his leg gets in there’s clearly nothing touching the base. Happens all the time.
I have seen it called once or twice
but, agreed, very, very rarely and only if the ump is on the side of the bag where he has an absolutely clear view. Furcal was just too far away to lean on Andrus and make him come off the base!
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i said this last night during the game
but no one else saw it i guess
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
so, my comment about 99 mph fastball jason motte being pulled in favor of arthur rhodes...
got turned into a 150 comment subthread about hipsters.
ladies and gentlemen: viva el birdos
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
my opinion was that it was the wrong move, but the move isn't to blame for the loss
sometimes it just be’s like that. motte gave up a bloop and a legit single and the next three guys made outs
by prophetjohn on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
then i would agree with you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But how do you feel about gardening
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
it makes you a douchebag
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i produce large melons in my garden
while i doubt your mom does that, there’s a nice pair there anyway
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the attempt a lot.
Can we work on streamlining it a bit, though? Little too long.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm having an off day
don’t mind me
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Oh, no, don't just give up.
That’s one of the better rui’s mom jokes I’ve seen on here in forever. Just kind of clumsy on the second line. This thing can be a classic with just a little trimming.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"i found a nice pair of melons in your mom's garden"
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice. Much cleaner.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
"i found a nice pair of melons in your mom's garden above the trim"
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 21, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I had sex on your mom in the dirt Rui!!!
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
The St. Louis Cardinals have no baseball games scheduled today.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Yeah, the move probably decreased our odds of winning by like 2.5% at the time
Awesome.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
not according
to danup…he posted the platoon stats in his article
que vep arguing
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
How do we not have a SP faster than Gerald Laird?
They should make Lohse do windsprints all winter. A SP that could be a legit pinch runner would be awesome.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Productivity units
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
And isn't Jaime our pitcher-PR?
Lohse is our pitcher-PH (WHY DOES THIS EXIST)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Now I want Lohse and Jackson to have a foot race with Gerald Laird.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
based on a few times on base
I’d bet on Jackson. He seems to move very well on the basepaths.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, he's black
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I was going to mention
the extra bone in his leg, but decided against it.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy the Greek is on line two
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Lohse definitely has some mexican in him though
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm so excited! i'm so excited!
i’m soAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No bro, he's part Native American
He’s no good without a horse
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You know who I fell real bad for? Indians
They get dogged openly, because everybody thinks they’re dead. These motherfuckers are not all dead, all right?
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You know how bad the Indians have it?
I’ve never seen two indians.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
two good ones anyway
they get traded away before they can collect a decent amount of them
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
aaah, so he's an indian?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Feather, yeah
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
my daughter has a co-worker
from India. When they are talking about someone she doesn’t know and mention that the person is indian, she (the Indian co-worker) asks: “Do you mean Indian, woo-woo-woo, or Indian, dot?” the last accompanied by poking herself in the forehead.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet she makes white people uncomfortable everytime she does that
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
my white friend who is married to an indian (dot) guy says that too
and thinks its hilarious when everyone gets uncomfortable
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
My favorite was on here....I can't remember who,
but it was casino or slurpee.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Arthur Rhodes would be a GREAT PR!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um, I don't like to point out other's mistakes,
but it appears you have an extra S in there.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
this seems like it calls for
thatsNOTthejoke.jpg
by brackenthebox on Oct 21, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
man you really butchered that
are you sure you a writer?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
sonuva
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean most athletic
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
i mean
how do you eat a whole Bartolo Colon and go out and pitch the next day??
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
THAT explains it!
Jaime was already out of the game so we didn’t have our designated PPR. Plus, Tony was saving Lohse for a PH appearance later.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
we needed Lohse to play left field in the 18th inning.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
The Sylvester and Porky Pig
Looney Tunes is on right now where they stay at the hotel inhabited by homicidal mice. Did that cartoon scare anyone else as badly as it did me when they were little?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
I'm too desensitized to care
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff
My personal fave was when Foghorn Leghorn would raise Dog’s tail and beat his ass with a stick. Then Foghorn would run like hell.
Now, I say, now what what’s the big idea, boy!
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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i was more terrified
by the episodes where bugs bunny was ultimately caught and/or beaten. something about the ultimate smartass eventually getting his comeuppance via an unmerciful beatdown really resonated with me for some reason.
also, episodes where elmer fudd was driven to the point of crying sucked too. that’s just not cool, bugs. don’t be a dick.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Wayne...
Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played a girl bunny?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
i have watched significantly too much Farscape today
thank you Yadi2Second, MayTheForschBeWithYou, and anyone else who participated in that thread that made me start watching it from the beginning again
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Do you ironically wish you could go back to the days when you couldn't z through comments?
You know, back when larry wrote all the front page posts and we only had less than a thousand members.
I wish we were playing again tonight
would be able to get over last night much easier if i could watch the cards tear that park in arlington a new ass hole tonight…
Heh
@jaysonst
Jayson Stark
No problem with getting Albert to talk today yfrog.com/nvse4oyj
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
jesus.
here’s thing thing: albert pujols is super competitive. he probably just flat out didn’t want to talk about last night’s loss. can’t say that i blame him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And Jon Morosi on the tweets is still riding him about last night
Sigh.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
says who?!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
convention?
thing is, yeah, he almost certainly didn’t want to talk about it. but his teammates are competitive people who didn’t want to talk about it either, and he increased the burden on them by taking off.
it’s not nearly as huge a deal as sportswriters make it, but it’s still a lame thing to do.
yeah its weak to leave like that
he’s getting paid a shit load of money, its part of his job to talk to the media. that said, this story bores me to death.
@Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
La Russa says Lance Berkman will DH in Game 3, and Allen Craig will be in right field.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
makes sense.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
here's what i want to see tomorrow night but won't
furcal
freese
pujols
holliday
craig, rf
berkman, dh
molina
punto/theriot
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
try that again...
furcal
freese
pujols
holliday
craig
berkman
molina
punto/theriot
jay
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I did not understand all the talk
from Fox and the NLCS broadcasters about Holliday DHing. I mean, it’s his hand. It hurts more, I assume, when he grips the bat. Even if you forget about the fact that he’s hitting fine.
i think it's pretty obvious that's what was going to happen
especially considering that the late game defensive replacements always were for berkman and never for holliday
i was lying (laying?) in bed last night and thought of a really good OT question for today...
and now i forget it. it’s a bummer.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe he's doing it wrong?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
TLR is answering questions in spanish
If only I knew what he was saying about having Berk and Craig in the line up
bollocks
I knew he spoke Spanish but I've never actually seen or heard him do it
I wonder what his accent sounds like.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
yea that was the first
time ive heard him…kinda coool
since garcia made that start it was a little more special for the spanish media
by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So Pujols says
dgoold Derrick Goold
Pujols confirms what we were saying: he spied Kinsler’s wide turn and was going to throw behind him. Missed catch. #WorldSeries #STLcards
you be the judge-

holy shit he's dead in the water.
pujols catches that we win the game. instead, he tipped it, was charged an error, and we lose the game.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i almost hate having DVR
between this and the andrus out at second play i am driving myself crazy today
Damn...
Probably keeps Andrus at first as well
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 6:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure about that...
I think there is a good chance Kinsler would have gotten in a rundown, I mean he was DEAD if Pujols caught it. Andrus could have made it all the way to third if he got in a rundown.
Damn...
Probably keeps Andrus at first as well
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I had to check the alcohol content on the beer I was drinking when I saw that post
thought I was seeing double
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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
VEB dead hour.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
They still don't know who he is.
Craig Allen, who’s delivered two pinch-hit singles in Games 1 and 2, will become the DH.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Oh yeah! I momentarily forgot that we have a DH the next 3 games.
I predict some more Torty-inspired hitting.
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
TortyAllen, his pet tortoise, will tweet about it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
@Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
Rangers will play Young at DH in Game 3, Napoli at 1b, Torrealba at catcher.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron
Man can't Young play in left or something
so Hamilton can DH? Isn’t running in the outfield just gonna eventually make Hamilton lay down on the ground and scream?
BTB says highest probability is rangers in 5
Must give a lot of credit for home field advantage
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 6:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What a bunch of horseshit.
YOU THINK CARDS NOT GONNA WIN 1-2 GAMES IN TEXAS?
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think the Crads are going to take two of the next three.
I don’t know, I just haven’t been impressed with the Rangers. I feel like the Cards are the better team. But, I guess I’ve just been watching different games than the media.
also, fuck you GOBs.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I find that hard to believe
The Rangers winning 3 straight games is the highest probability? You’d have to be assuming that they are 70% in each game to get >33%
Not afraid to nitpick
sounds about right to me
but I’m thinking it will actually be Rangers in 4.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
probably the best thing i saw at the game last night
was a guy in the next section over wearing a Scrabble box on his head
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
They showed him on TV
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
did they show sign guy's
torty craig sign?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps our Texans?
Are you in Texas Willie?
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 21, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He's in Luchenbach, with Waylon and the boys
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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yee Haw
rec’d
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
clanks sister.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Dave Cameron thinks vs. LHP we should bench Berk, start Craig in right, DH Freese, and start DD at third.
I don’t think that’s as good an idea as he thinks it is.
i think I'd rather have righty Berkman vs Dirty Dan in the starting lineup
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
his reasoning is based on defense, largely.
But it falls apart IMO because he’s assuming moving Craig to 3B after Descalso’s first PA, and bringing Berk back in to play right. For a really smart guy, it’s pretty over-thought and kind of silly.
"For a really smart guy, it's pretty over-thought and kind of silly."
So in 30 years or so he’ll be second on the managerial wins list?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
DD is a lefty hitter with a .190/.277/.241/.518 line against lefties.
Puma against lefties has a .277/.348/.455/.803 line.
Giving up way too much at bat to gain DD’s leather.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Harrison doesn't go deep into games
Berk will probably get 2 AB’s on him before were into their pen… At least I hope.
So how good was Jaime last night? Damn. When Jaime is going that well he’s fun to watch. Granted, most pitchers are fun to watch when they’re on, but there’s something super exciting to me about a good Jaime Day.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 21, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
just as the team deserved to win the first game
they also deserved to lose yesterday’s game. can’t wait for Saturday night!!
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
gob this has been a weird day. wish there was a game tonight to refocus my energy on.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
So, Chrome just this weird thing where it reloaded all my tabs at once, and now I have to figure out which comments are all over again
FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I have noticed something the last few games
Furcal is short. Like, really-short-for-a-professional-athlete short. But I don’t know if I’ve ever seen or heard anything about this. So I looked him up, and B-Ref lists him as 5’8". By conventional wisdom this means that his actual height is probably something like 5’6", because we all know that nobody tells the truth about both their height and weight unless they’re built like Matt Holliday.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Seriously
I’ll bet he finds those height-boosting insole commercials offensive, too!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Kind of bored
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i have to finish spanish homework.
someone help me!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm about to eat a sandwich
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
almost done!
spanish homework + natty = win
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to go out tonight but I am leaning towards not leaving the house
it’s cold out there
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true.
i was headed towards a do-nothing night until i wasn’t.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
New SBNation app is out
With Z-ing!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Cubs-Red Sox reached an agreement on Theo...
It is on… Let’s get 2011 out of the way so we can play these guys…
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
---Edmund Burke to the VEB community
Now you're not
I’ve had the tab open for while in case anybody else comments
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Hello all and a good day to you, just finished watching the 30 for 30 movie
The Fab Five, and damn it was pretty darn good.
For todays baseball action, I’m just waiting for the Korean Baseball playoff series to start.
Have game 5 and the final game between the SK Wyverns and the Lotte Giants, the winner of todays game will play the 1st place Samsung Lions.
Damnit the Cards better seriously buckle down and get hot with runners in scoring position.
Gooooooo CARDS!!!!!
by Tuning in from Korea on Oct 21, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
does it feel unusual watching teams that are identified by their sponsors rather than geographical location?
It’s like saying the “Anheuser Bush Cardinals vs. Tom Hicks Rangers” (not really, but maybe you get the idea)
Drinking Old Fashioneds and watching In Bruges by myself, you guys
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
watching dexter by myself
the end of the last episode is pretty fucked up!
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It did at first, but when I put it in my mind years ago like you just mentioned, I got over it, and
really have come to accept it. Kinda of like it now.
Japan baseball teams are the same.
But I believe most of the Football clubs go by geographical names, such as FC Seoul.
by Tuning in from Korea on Oct 21, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
are you serious?
you have homework due on the weekend?
as for me, i’m dealing with family stuff this weekend—it’s a long story that no one is probably that interested in, but basically my grandma’s having some pretty bad health issues (she’s also really old). so my dad flew out and we’ve been trying to sort it out together.
hoping for a cardinals’ win when my dad and i watch the game together tomorrow. that’d be a nice happy thing to balance out the suck.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I am way too tired for this early on a Friday night
I may be in bed before midnight! bizzarro world
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
holy mother of gob
the hipster subthread was too much.
anyone around for sort-of late night veb?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I didn't see the "hipster" subthread
people love to have labels heh
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 22, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how did you not see it?
it is seriously half of the comments here.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
why are there pics of donald draper, james bond, and justin timberlake?
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 22, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
ties.
they were discussing tie width, the fuckers (i say this affectionately).
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
affectionate is relative.
cradnal dominance is not. WE. WILL. DO. THIS. THING.
well, blimey.
by threadkiller on Oct 22, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't wear ties
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 22, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
you sound tied down
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 22, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
spot on on the labels thing
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
actually we we're kind of arguing that the label is pretty stupid
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 22, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
baseball is the best
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 22, 2011 1:11 AM EDT reply actions
I'm sure someone commented on this but I'm going to do it now:
Josh Hamilton thanked TLR for pulling Motte in exchange for Rhodes.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 22, 2011 2:02 AM EDT reply actions
fuck the rangers
we will romp winning 3 straight in tx…leave ’em in the dust
i wanna see furcal, holliday, berkman, pujols, craig all tee off
huge mamoth shots off harrison that would leave any ballpark like petco park or center field of minute maid so there’s no excuses
and i want to see tons of bat flips
like these: 
by guillermozeliak on Oct 22, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I am getting aroused looking at what our lineup will be tomorrow
Furcal
Craig
Pujols
Holliday
Berkman
Freese
Molina
Theriot/Punto
Jay
Replace Jay with Rasmus and move him up a
Spot and thats even more sick. Just sayin.
by mick311 on Oct 22, 2011 9:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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