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St. Louis Cardinals rapidly lose the Arthur Rhodes World Series Bonus

ST LOUIS, MO - OCTOBER 20:  (L-R) Daniel Descalso #33, Jason Motte #30 and Rafael Furcal #15 of the St. Louis Cardinals walk to the mound in the ninth inning after the Texas Rangers tie the game during Game Two of the MLB World Series at Busch Stadium on October 20, 2011 in St Louis, Missouri.  (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)

If you're thinking to yourself that that was an especially depressing way to lose Game 2 of the World Series, you are correct. It doesn't have a lot to do with the precariousness of the Rangers' offensive attack or the three-outs-away spectacle of it, for me. Maybe this is a side-effect of growing up in the McGwire-Sosa era: Any game the Cardinals lead by a run, especially 1-0 or 2-1, makes me feel almost guilty, like the team is in the process of getting away with something it will not be allowed to get away with, lockdown closer or no lockdown closer. 

As it turns out, the Cardinals did not get away with their first four hitters going 2-17, or the awkward, disjointed failure of their various ninth inning relievers to turn a high fly ball into a high, easily catchable fly ball—or, I guess, to get those high, easily catchable fly balls before they gave up the one closest to the Busch Stadium pole of inaccessibility. 

As for Tony La Russa's decision to go with Arthur Rhodes instead of Jason Motte, I found it odd at best—I understand the urge to exploit Hamilton's large platoon split (which includes an increased strikeout rate from the left side) and that La Russa's valuation of Rhodes is somewhat higher than our own, but even then the idea doesn't quite work for me.

That said, I think it's a mistake to reduce this game to his eccentric, highly visible bullpen decision—a mistake that comes from the same impulse that's led to a new flood of La Russa The Genius articles for the first time since Men at Work came out. It's pleasant to turn the postseason into a story of La Russa pulling the right or wrong levers because that rejects the role that chance plays in these incredibly tense moments. In a world where Tony La Russa is to blame, this game is no longer about a pop up hit into the wrong defense or a missed cut-off man, just like the NLCS is no longer about multiple relievers playing over their heads at the same moment. 

I enjoy that way of thinking about baseball, and I do it, just like I enjoy pitchers wins and RBI and stories about Bob Gibson winning because he was the toughest competitor who ever competed and not because he was an outstanding pitcher who was also outstanding in the World Series. But if you really want the why of this game, or the why of any close baseball game, it isn't about who gave up the sacrifice flies—it's just because.

Star-divide

I'm interested in whether the Cardinals go for Kyle Lohse or Edwin Jackson for Game 3, but I'm not especially hung up on it; Edwin Jackson is probably a better pitcher, but he's not a lot better, and since they'll both be pitching in the series I can't get worked up about the order in which they do it. 

As for the possibility of a Jake Westbrook appearance—for all the talk about Tony La Russa's overmanaging that would be the ultimate too-clever-by-half move in this series. It's true that Jake Westbrook gets a lot of ground balls, and it's equally true that Westbrook probably pitched better than his awful ERA indicates. But putting your worst starter—and one without anything approaching a "rhythm"—into a World Series game just because he theoretically profiles better in the ballpark actually is the kind of arrogance people think putting in a left-handed pitcher to face a left-handed batter represents. 

In general, I'm not playing a ballpark hunch unless it involves Craig Biggio slapping home runs over the left field fence at Minute Maid Park.

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It seems the bigger story from last night

is that Pujols (and Holliday and Berkman and Molina) left without speaking to reporters. Saw as many (re)tweets about that as I saw game thoughts.

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Strauss made a big deal of it

But this happened quite a bit during the regular season, I think. At least with Pujols.

And really, after hearing all of the inane questions from reporters (local and national), I can’t blame them for skipping out on them.

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Oct 21, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

All the inane questions throughout the postseason, I mean

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Oct 21, 2011 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Strauss makes a big deal out of everything

Correction: Strauss makes a big deal out of every nothing. He’s not a nihilist, because they don’t believe in anything. But Strauss, he believes in nothing. In fact, he’s so fully invested in nothing that he tweets about it at 2am.

by Hungry Jack on Oct 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

MLB policy doesn't apply in flyover country

Closed door meetings, stars leaving without speaking to reporters, how will Strauss stay useful? His job is on the line here!

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 21, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know it goes against the grain to leave like that

but is there anything more useless and inconsequential than those post-game pressers/interviews. Has any interesting piece of insight ever been gleaned from those same, redundant types pof questions and, in turn, the disinterested responses?

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by mattyp on Oct 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

We found out that Carpenter loves Berkman.

Wait, that proves your point.

I do think it’s bad for the players to skip out like that, but it’s not the crime against humanity that requires a coordinated hit job by the media.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

As does Morosi and Keduk.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly thought Lynn should have been brought in to close last night.

This Rangers lineup is potent, and as good as Motte is, I think the best way to have approached them in close games is to give them fresh looks. I love Motte, but I have to say he makes me nervous against this lineup. A high-octane fastball reliever going out a couple nights in a row, they have a better chance to figure you out. I thought we had a better chance if we showed them something different via Lynn — you can tell Duncan has given the starters that message, because both Carp and Jaime held some of their pitches until the 3rd / 4th inning.

WWCD? CDGAF.

by JStymie on Oct 21, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

It's worth noting that Andrus' hit was on a "mysterious second pitch" in a poor location.

I think it was just not a good pitch from Motte rather than them starting to see him well. And the Kinsler “hit” is not exactly indicative of anything.

by a fink on Oct 21, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

second guessing

I think they should have been hammering Andrus inside with hard stuff

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

While Motte may have been on the cusp of an implosion

The type of hits he allowed didn’t suggest this.

With the “Mets marathon game”-type lineup that was left non-strategically peppered with defensive slap-single replacements, the Cardinals weren’t likely going to score any more runs.

It therefore fell on them to preserve the 1-0 lead at all costs, whether that meant walking the bases loaded and playing for double plays, or striking out the side. Hamilton’s strikeout percentage against lefties aside, Motte at least had a chance (albeit slim) of striking out the next three batters. If Motte gives up 2 runs or 10, it wouldn’t matter, the Cards weren’t coming back with the batters coming up in the 9th.

Larussa went for the micromanagement solution, which was extremely unlikely to work (yet would win even more “genius” praise from the media) when what was needed was to bullishly charge forward with Motte for better or for worse.

by olddomination on Oct 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure why you think I'm coming down on the "pulling Motte" side

The first two sentences of my post are complete sarcasm. I thought I explained that pretty well in the last paragraph.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never said you were

You’re so uptight now that you’re lashing out at those that agree with you.

by olddomination on Oct 21, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not his fault

Here at VEB, we usually say something like “yeah, I agree” before reaffirming someone’s point, or else we are conditioned to think it’s an argument.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 exactly what i was thinking

VEP’s comments are inflammatory by default and should be flagged into oblivion.

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

do you know how to make comments that aren't awesome

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i try

to avoid blowing up his ego but he does make my day!

especially his classic posts during the c***y r****s trade rants

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Nertlerb!

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by The MooCow on Oct 21, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand this comment =(

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

why are you jumping his shit, man?

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I came here for an argument!

This is abuse

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would argue that

“vacuous toffee-nosed malodorous pervert” may be the best thing ever written in the english language.

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

but also this (not from the same sketch):

No, no, no – it’s spelt Raymond: Luxury Yach-t, but it’s pronounced ‘Throatwobbler Mangrove’.

by saladdays on Oct 21, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

the only, and I mean the only, criticism I have of the Motte situation last night is that he was pulled.

Kinsler hits a lucky-as-balls bloop that’s an out if it drops a foot or two more shallow, then steals second against a throw that would have nailed him if it were a just a fraction quicker (not criticizing Yadi, that was an amazing throw and he’s probably the only catcher who can deter future steal attempts based on his throws that don’t result in an out), then a soft liner, and a missed cut-off that featured a poor throw and a poor attempt at a catch.

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by mattyp on Oct 21, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was disappointed with the result, but loved the game.

I value pitchers’ duels and defense, and we saw some excellent examples of both last night. Their shortstop’s glove-flip play in the sixth was downright amazing and made a big difference, in my mind. I thought Tony’s and others’ comments afterwards got it just right. Sometimes Baseball happens. We will get them in Arlington.

by VACardsfan on Oct 21, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Apack

You see things as they are. You hit the nail on the head. I tried to give you a rec but damed if it don’t look like a flag. Don;t know how that happened, I know I hit rec.

by ridgesee on Oct 21, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

the narrative, and it's not so much a narrative as the

observed, objective reality, was that our big bats didn’t show up. And that’s mostly why we lost.

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Oct 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Auther Rhodes thing didn't bother me nearly as much as removing Freese

when he still had a PA left. I mean, removing Berkman was less worrisome; because there wasn’t a high chance that he would bat again. However; Freese’s spot did come up again. And Danny gave up a big out.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 21, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Danny has looked pretty horrible at the plate too...

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by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hurt from last night

I don’t care how rational it is to look at the rest of the series, we were 3 outs away from a WS victory and lost it.

That hurts.

I’m in a piss poor mood today and nothing is going to change that until a Game 3 victory. I guess I hadn’t realized how “all-in” I was until the end of last night.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 21, 2011 9:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

yes, it's a bit of a whiplash from "don't have a prayer" to "all in". I realized last night how I have been captured.

Dare I say – count on TLR to pull the right strings and get the boys back to their magic ways – (fingers crossed)

TortyCraig
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by spfldbird on Oct 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's impossible to say the Rhodes move lost us the game, but I don't think it was the optimal decision.

We needed a K, and Rhodes has a 5.73 K/9 this year, including a 6.28 K/9 against lefties. Motte’s is 8.34 and 7.15 against lefties. I still think Motte was the superior option.

But I think the worst part was that cut off error. Without that, it would have gone into extras and they’d have had a better chance. It’s just maddening to lose the game on a play simply comes down to not executing. It’s the ultimate example of beating yourself. It’s like balking in the winning run practically.

Nearly as bad was the way the ABs went after Yadi got on. Sac-bunting is dumb, but it’s worse when the previous batter just took a walk on five pitches. It’s part on TLR for encouraging Punto to bunt when he should be encouraged to take pitches, and part on Punto for bunting at bad pitches. Skip’s AB was awful too. I don’t think there were more than three strikes during either AB; I’d put the over/under at 2.5. I could be wrong, but that’s how it looked live.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Defensive Replacements

I am not a fan of TLR removing Freese and Berkman for Descalso and Schumaker late in one-run games. The outs they give away at the plate are not even remotely close to being outweighed by their defense in the field.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

less so with berkman, because his wouldn’t have another PA unless the game with 10 innings. But jeesh. Stop taking out Freese

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 21, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with this as well

It’s a one run game. They need a walk and one fluky hit to put themselves in position to score the run to tie the game, and you’ve now just basically punted half the offense in a vain attempt to keep that from happening. It’s like Tony finally found out about WPA and is continually substituting to raise that WPA edge as much as possible, with no consideration given to what happens if the game goes to extras, or whether you happen to need a baserunner in the ninth inning when you get a leadoff walk.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why we use Schumaker as a late-inning defensive replacement.

If you’re going to PH with Craig late in the game, I’d feel fine having him replace Berkman in the field. Craig has better range than Berkman and a far better bat than Schumaker. Last night was a demonstration of why it was nice not having Schumaker on the roster in the NLCS. TLR thinks too highly of him.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

this makes too much sense

something like this would never escape TLR’s genius event horizon.

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree.

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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't agree more. and rec'd.

and also, freese has been pretty darn good defending 3B. i know single-season numbers aren’t the best to go by, but freese has been better than descalso at 3B, in terms of UZR and UZR/150

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What play could Skip possibly make that Puno couldn't?

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

its skip for berkman

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, yeah well that's bound to happen

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the point is, what are the chances that skip will make a play that berkman can't

and are those chances greater than the chance that berkman will get a hit that skip will not

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I assumed Guay was joking

I think the latter is more likely.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'D LIKE TO MANAGE AGAINST YOU

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by Alxfritz on Oct 21, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I have made lots of comments about this but I can't help it. I completely agree with you about Skip.

Our failure to properly evaluate Skip is something that has really bothered me for a long time. By “our” failure I really mean the team’s failure. It has gotten better but it still creeps into game decisions, like last night.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have any writers or reporters even asked him about it?

I certainly haven’t seen it anywhere if they have. Seems like it’d be a good question to ask after the last two games.

by matt man on Oct 21, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

That would require them to pay attention and stop asking questions about “feelings”.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tony La Russa is a genius.

Haven’t you heard?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't think about that, but it's a good point too.

Another AB from a better hitter would be huge in a one run game like this.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially a batter with some patience.

One the hardest things about being a baseball-watcher, for me, is batters’ refusal to allow pitchers to fail sometimes. When a pitcher is not finding the strike zone, don’t help him out by trying to create an out. Be patient and/or make him give you easier strikes when he’s behind in the count.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I rec'd it too

Because I’m totally with this and hate the taking out our offense for defense. Also the offense pulled have been doing a pretty damn good job as position players.

11 in '11

Carp on Brendan

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 21, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

a thousand times this

infuriating.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, this is spot on

Bunting with no outs and a runner on first when behind by one run in the 9th inning is just dumb. You do not significantly improve your chances of scoring one run but you greatly decrease your chances of scoring more than one. Beyond that, it put Punto in a massive hole at the plate from which he was unable to recover. We would have been much better off just letting Punto bat.

And yes, between them Punto and Schu swung/bunted at about 5 pitches outside of the strike zone. Way to let an antsy/wild pitcher off the hook. And the genius manager was responsible for this.

by apack on Oct 21, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Sac bunting was the right call. You stay out of the double play with a guy who hits a TON of ground balls (his two hits were on ground balls that found a hole in the infield and a hole in Michael Young’s glove).

Punto, however, should know enough to BUNT STRIKES. Especially after watching the previous hitter walk on 5 pitches and knowing that Feliz has a problem with command and hasn’t thrown in 10+ days. The PA is all on Punto — the sac bunt decision was sound.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Punto botched sac bunt attempt and the Pujols error on the throw from Jay

were yet more examples of how poor this club has been fundamentally all season. I was hoping not to be reminded of this fact in a big spot this postseason.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not entirely sure why Pujols is getting all the blame on that play

The throw was off. Despite what McCarver thinks he saw, I’m not at all convinced that the ball was touched and/or deflected.

by bailorg on Oct 21, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to spread the blame around, that's fine.

It was not a good throw and a bad play on the attempted catch. It was a poor play in terms of fundamentals. I’m waiting for Fritz to break out the #LazyPujols, #LazyJay, or #LazyCardinals hash tag on Twitter.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

he should of caught it

even if he didn’t deflect it, he should have been able to cut it off

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 21, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

this was my biggest question and why i checked in...consensus=pujols at fault

we were still unlucky (i like to look at luck a lot) to lose this game for my own reasons:

50/50 chance furcal makes that play
50/50 andrus doesnt make that play
50/50 pujols hr’s on that big gets ou
50/50 chance jay/pujols get the cut off
50/50 chance kinsler is out at second

multiply those out…and you get whatever %

(i realize some of these result in a tie ball game if they our are breaks but just a little insight on my views)

i still like our chances in this series…texas hasn’t shown me their bats are better than ours

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Shouldn't the ball have been thrown to 2nd?

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Oct 21, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

It should have been thrown on a line to the plate but low enough so it could be cut-off by the first baseman.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually after looking at the replay, what the heck was Punto doing?

It seemed like he was just vaguely wandering around second base the whole time, shouldn’t he have been acting as a cut off man as well, or am I missing something?

by bailorg on Oct 21, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

1B should always be cut-off for a basehit to right with a man scoring from second, the shortstop covers 2nd, and the 2nd basemen is usually a short cut-off if the guy doesn’t go home. Right fielder should always hits cut-off and then he’s backup for a throw to 2nd (and Punto was in front of 2nd on Yad’s throw, it looked like he was definitely just roaming around out there). But, that’s how we used to do it.

The biggest problem I had was Pujols should’ve been out there already… Usualy the cut-off should be drifting toward the thrower that way if it is short or long you can adjust and catch it on a long hop or on the fly, and you should be a big target for the thrower…

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

it seemed like everyone was ball-watching there for a bit...

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Excellent explanation of the S&S and how infield rotations work.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert was out of position

He has no reason to be anywhere near 1B on that play and should be lining up between Jay and home plate to cut off a possible throw home. With a runner on 2nd and nobody out, Pujols is the cut off man for any ball that isn’t hit to left field.

Instead, he got caught in no man’s land which game him no shot to cut the throw off, bad throw or not. It’s a poor fundamental play on his part. Jay’s throw was not good, but that’s why you have a cut-off man: to limit the damage done on a poor throw and keep runners from moving up.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I couldn’t figure what Pujols was doing standing where he was. He looked like a kid in youth ball just winging it with no clue where he was supposed to be.

by jjray on Oct 21, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the throw was "off"

then it’s even more important that the cutoff man catch it.

I think it did glance off of his glove; but even if it didn’t, Pujols was not making every effort to catch that ball, which is what he should have been doing. (unless Molina was yelling at him to NOT cut the ball – the catcher is usually the one who is controlling whether the ball is cut or not)

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't that far off.

It’s a throw from the outfield and he had plenty of time to move another step and catch it.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 21, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

have you ever tried

bunting a 99+ mph fastball that moves like crazy?

by sdangler on Oct 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Feliz was unbuntable last night...

Ty Cobb would’ve failed.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

and i would say punto is one of the better bunters in MLB (36th among active players for sacrifices).

by sdangler on Oct 21, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose La Russa expects his guys to not try to bunt balls out of the zone...

so it is Punto’s fault to some degree… but there’s something to be said for giving assignments that are likely to be done well. I knew nothing good would happen when Laird came in to PR.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

"giving assignments that are likely to be done well" sounds a lot like "putting players in positions to succeed"

Which, according to that tired old narrative, is supposed to be something La Russa does as well as anyone. Maybe he does do it as well as anyone in aggregate, but I don’t think he did it last night.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

So in other words, I totally agree with you.

In case that wasn’t clear.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

he also threw one strike in five pitches to molina.

punto should have at least taken the first pitch no matter what.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

molina swings at EVERYTHING right now.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

I guess you could argue that it has worked over the course of the year, since he had his best year at the plate (and not in a way I would have expected… his stats this year look a whole lot like 2008, with the exception that he almost doubled his ISO with all the improved xbh. It would be awesome if he could combine the power with more patience).

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same could be said for my mom =(

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

IMHO he is always looking to work the pitch count

Last night he swung at a high ball or two, but all year long (really his career) he’s swing at anything that could be called a strike when he gets 2 strikes or the pitcher is getting calls his way.

11 in '11

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 21, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sac bunt decision

maybe. But he should be taking pitches until he sees a strike.

by hangingfromatree on Oct 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

bunting at balls is on Punto

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts are:

I don’t know if I’d even bunt with this team. It is a piss poor
bunting team, especially in key situations and against smart pitchers.

A favorite of La Russa all year has been on a lead off double, to bunt
the runner over to third and play for a sac fly. I’m not a big fan of
that either especially with a left hander batter. A ball hit to the right
will do it with alert baserunning and you have two shots rather than one.

A right handed batter and a good bunter I can see because a base hit to
left often dosen.t get it done.

by ridgesee on Oct 21, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wild Feliz is the most difficult guy to bunt off of in basball...

practically. And he pinch runs Gerald Laird? I know the other options were Theriot and Lohse, but, uh, those guys are better options. Should have PR Lohse, then had Punto take at least strike 1…

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's right.

i can’t even remember the last time we got a bunt down correctly.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not in favor of attempting the sac bunt (which I'm hardly ever in favor of)

But it’s on Punto not to try to bunt pitches that are not even close to being strikes.

He could have possibly walked there regardless of whether he was given the sign to bunt.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

1. Feliz is practically begging the Cardinals to let him blow the save with walks. Punto gives him an out during an AB in which Feliz might have thrown a single strike. Then Schu swings at balls, as well.

2. Yes, we’ve now witnessed a World Series game in which a manager took an important late AB away from the NLCS MVP and “hottest” hitter on the club. I’ve griped about pulling Freese and Berkman since TLR started doing it this summer. Holliday got nothing to hit during that AB in the 8th because they weren’t afraid of Descalso. If the Cardinals execute and get out of the 9th tied, you’re now looking at trying to win that game with two of the four real “damage” hitters in your lineup sitting on the bench wearing rally caps.

by Hoffa on Oct 21, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

correction

TWO World Series games in which the manager took an important AB away from the NLCS MVP.

He put in Descalso Wednesday night after we went up 3-2 and Freese’s spot was guaranteed to come again. (DD bunted Berkman over w/ 0 outs).

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still really like our chances

Sure, it’s not 2-0, but I still think we win if the following two changes are made.

1) Freese is NEVER taken out of a game until it looks extremely unlikely he will bat again in the game (so, never in a game with less than a 3 run lead).

2) NO bunting in the late innings if we’re playing from behind (ugh). Justifiable if we’re tied.

I spent the entire Rhodes warm-up period swearing at La Russa from the stands, and obviously in hindsight I still vehemently disagree with it, but with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs you’re in pretty shitty shape either way (I haven’t looked but I’m sure Andrus’ single and Pujols’ error was the biggest WPA shift of the game).

In the next three games I really think we have the better lineup. Going Furcal-Craig-Pujols-Holliday-Berkman-Freese-Molina at the top of the lineup will be huge especially with the way Craig is hitting. The Rangers’ 2-3-4 doesn’t scare me at all despite Andrus’ hit last night. I say we win 2 out of 3 in Texas.

by matt man on Oct 21, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

good news for you

Tony is now catching flak from the national media for movies.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7130228

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 21, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tweeted last night

that Pierzynski and Eric Karros were summarily fired in the first commercial break after criticizing La Russa on national television. It’s like they didn’t get the memo about “the genius” or something.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

this
We left 9 men on base. After leaving 8 men on base in Game 1. I could understand if we were being dominated by their pitchers, but our hitters just haven’t done the job and driven runners home. There have been plenty of opportunities, far more than the Rangers have had through two games.

My two cents exactly. It’s awful hard to win when you don’t score runs.

by avs18fan on Oct 21, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea that's true too, but it's too easy to just say "they didn't score enough runs."

That’s true of any loss, even though it’s especially true of this game.

In aggregate the offense performed poorly, but it’s not really interesting (to me at least) to look at that because it’ll regress. It can be more interesting to look particular moments where the team did not optimize it’s chances with tactical errors or sloppy play. Sometimes it does just come down to not scoring enough runs, or just getting beat, but there was more to this one.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

We scored 1 run last night

And left a number of runners on base in scoring position. I’d say that’s pretty easily defined as “not scoring enough runs”. In Game 1, we scored 3 runs.

In 2011, the Cardinals are 20-43 when scoring 3 runs or fewer. So, yes, I’m going to chalk up the loss in Game 2 to “not scoring enough runs”.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that it's inaccurate. It's VERY accurate.

I just don’t find it to be an interesting discussion.

Failing to score more than one run is something that just happens from time to time; there’s nothing anyone can do about that. A line up full of 2003 Barry Bonds’ will have games where they score just one run. I’m more interested in thinking about what the Cardinals can do better amongst factors they can actually control — like hitting the cut off man, taking pitches against a wild pitcher, or not bringing in Arthur Rhodes.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it doesn’t suggest there’s much more the Cardinals could have done at the plate the first eight innings other than be better and/or luckier.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point isn't that we only scored one run

It’s that we left 9 runners on base. Sure, you’re going to have games where you have trouble scoring, but when you leave that many runners and have very few strikeouts (i.e. You really weren’t “dominated” in terms of not being able to put the ball in play) I find it hard to credit the other teams pitchers. Rather, our hitters didn’t get the job done driving in runs. And we took some really poor PA’s last night prior to the ninth inning.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone made the point downthread (much earlier today) that the Rangers infield defense made some big plays

That’s not entirely on the offense either, but certainly contributes greatly to the LOBs.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

gotta score more than 1 run. Thats not tony’s fault (although he over managed the hell out of that game)

by Redbird99_98 on Oct 21, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, we seen this game all year

9th inning lead, BS by bullpen.

The Cards have been resilient and overcome much more.

by gocards62 on Oct 21, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

wtf that's awful.

Sounds like a hatchet job just because he’s pissed.

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by Vindicator9000 on Oct 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would expect that from Passan

If we would have won, it would have been because La Russa made a great decision to leave in Rzep to face two right handed batters and to pinch hit Allen Craig, his best bench bat, in a key situation.

But, because we lost, it’s on Albert and Jay and Punto and Descalso. This is the exact bullshit I was talking about yesterday.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

the manager gets too much credit for both wins and losses. it's never on the players.

it’s got to be somewhat consistent at all times. for example:

1. when we win, it should almost always be the players. like game 1. tony made some common sense moves that anyone with half a baseball brain should have made, but got the credit for being a genius simply because we won the game. yuck.

2. when we lose, it’s also got to go both ways. larussa made some bad moves last night and should at least be blamed for part of the loss. pujols, jay, punto also share blame for not performing well in their respective situations (and pujols and jay for not hitting well). but not every loss is larussa. this board got blame-larussa happy at the end of the year. example: that ugly loss to the mets at the end of the year. the players should have been held to a higher level there.

3. tony should get credit in rare times when he manages a game perfectly. game 2 of the LDS for example. a great managed game. obviously the players performed, but larussa also handled the bullpen in the correct, creative way and took carp out when needed. larussa should also get credit as a whole for the way he managed the LCS after the game 1 debacle.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just about to mention that

They think they’re cool by sounding like assholes. idgi

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by hr on Oct 21, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

please people

don’t even click on this link. Don’t give him the page views.

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by mattyp on Oct 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love it when La Russa isn't a genius...

easily worth a loss.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

what the fuck

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's just game 2...

it’s not really a series until game 4 or 5.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

what the fuck

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

BS

i like it when he is a genius and we win.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

same here.

For all the incredibly illogical moves TLR has made in the past, that just wasn’t the problem last night. Cards got beat. There are more games to play.

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by spfldbird on Oct 21, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

we needed a strikeout...

and took out the guy who throws 99 for arthur fucking rhodes. the end.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

All right already...

are we going to mope all day? A bloop, a soft liner, and two fly outs… Sometimes that happens in baseball. The series is now a best of 5 and they have home field. Nothing to whine about…

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sure...

but if it’s just endlessly complaining about the same five things – Freese sub, Motte fail, Rhodes appearance, Pujols error, Punto non-bunt – then, you know, it gets boring. Every team loses tons of games like this over the course of the year. The players gave it their best but the stars weren’t aligned, and La Russa was La Russa. What more is there to say?

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

That’s kinda saying that you don’t want to discuss last night’s game.

Again, it’s a free country, you don’t have to read any of this if you don’t want to. But telling the rest of us that you don’t want to hear any of it and to stop moping makes you sound insensitive. If you don’t want to talk about, don’t talk about it then. But stop telling the rest of us how we should react.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

what he said.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, you are all about equality

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Pujols had only caught that relay...

it would’ve been a tie game and then anything could’ve happened… effin Pujols.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

We didn’t make the plays to win the game. And this game was the most important one we’ve played so far this season. So to not talk about it is just silly, regardless of how you feel about the loss or who you want to put the blame on.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Four

You’re usually spot on with well thought out analysis. But “this game was the most important one we’ve played so far this season” ? More important than Game 5 of the NLDS ? A tough loss, sure. But there is still plenty of baseball to be played.

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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

THEY ARE ALL THE MOST IMPORTANT GAMES

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

At this point every game played is the “most important” of the season.

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by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup -- because the point is to win the championship, not just the LDS or the Pennant.

More important than that one. Sure, we wouldn’t be here without that Game 5 win in the NLDS. But we wouldn’t be here without that 7-0 win against the Astros in the last game of the season either.

Thing is, this was a the most important game thus far. If we win it, we go up 2-0 in the series and essentially have to win only one in Texas to ensure a 3-2 lead coming back home. Now if we win 1 out of 3 we come back and have to play two elimination games at home. Plus, it’s likely that we will not have our best pitcher on the mound in Game 7.

Last night’s game was pivotal. Win it, and we have a 70% or better chance of winning the series. Lose it, and you concede home field to the other team and are probably now slightly under 50% to win the series.

Every game from here on out is the most important game of the year.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point taken

But I’m pretty sure the probability of advancing to the World Series was 0% had we not won Game 5 of the NLDS.

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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that reasoning makes all 162 regular season games the "most important," too.

Plus this is just more fun. Somebody figure out the mounting-importance curve, as a function of distance from a potential WS Game 7.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

I’ll bet you 1000 internet dollars that the postseason did not hinge on winning game 24.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

In retrospect?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagreed.

We might be here even had we lost that game to the Astros.

by hotwater2 on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool...

except that pujols wasn’t in full control of that play. larussa is in full control of the decisions he makes.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of a bad throw by Jay too.

I’d have to see a few replays to really clearly lay out the blame, but I’d just as soon chalk it up to a team error sort of thing.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 21, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols was out of position

I think Jay’s bad throw had a lot to do with there not really being a cutoff target in the middle of the field for him to throw through as he’s usually very good at that. Not sure why Albert didn’t cut the throw off either, as he’s usually very heady on those type of plays.

Just a bad time for both of them to have a bit of confusion, and it cost us dearly.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think on a throw like that all the way from the outfield

pujols has enough time to make the adjustment and read the throw. just a poor effort in doing so.

by BVHeck on Oct 21, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Rhodes isn't in full control of how well he pitches

Randomness dwarfs the actual decisions making processes of managers.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is fink not available?

Are you our designated optimist for the day?

I just want to be clear on what the roles are. . .

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by azruavatar on Oct 21, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

fink left a message early this morning...

his boss actually has something for him to do, and he did warn me about fs and fang…

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't "VEB Spirit" line up with the Y-axis to make it more clear?

Come on guy, internet baseball nerds have an infographics reputation to uphold.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i guess for what i'd been going for

VEB SPIRIT should have gone at the top, as it’s supposed to be the graph’s label, not an axis label. it’s just a cheap graphic i slapped together in a gamethread a while back

by BVHeck on Oct 21, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just giving you a hard time

I love this graphic by the way. It’s one of those “inside VEB” gems from 2011.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It makes me happy

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what the shit kind of graph is this?

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

And you’ve drawn the role of IHB. Good luck.

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

fuck off

goddammit I’m so angry I’m gonna go eat taco bell

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you got fang then?

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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

these games don't matter.

the playoffs are all for entertainment anyway. we already know the best team.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

is this me?

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

aw

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still like you. No worries.

I could probably parody anyone on this board given the number of comments I read.

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by azruavatar on Oct 21, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do me ;)

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

how do you know?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh ooh

1) Post a series of semi-sarcastic comments clearly influenced by pot
2) Post a video or list of indie music and radiohead
3) Get into argument with me about the merits of that music
4) Smoke more pot and make some more sarcastic comments

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait guys, gotta go to work on my bike!

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

pj does that

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa, what hipster-esque comments do I make?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

.....

……

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm serious!

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey guys isn't such a bummer to only have a black skinny tie and brown boat shoes?

now i can never wear them together!

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh that was clearly joking

And wearing boat shoes isn’t hipster at all. And skinny ties are really mainstream. How is any of this hipster?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehe

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If wearing a skinny tie with a suit to work is hipster

I have literally no idea how you guys are defining hipster

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure they know

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

f'n hipsters.

And, oh yeah, those things set, uh, currently? Because hipsters NEVER look to the past.

by a fink on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you arguing for the mainstreamness

of skinny ties by citing a period piece show set 50 years ago?

If so, I would like my straw boaters immediately taken off the ‘eccentric’ list. Right. The fuck. Now.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you got a seersucker to go with it?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do have a seersucker suit, yes.

It’s nice for summer weddings, particularly when you don’t care if you draw a bunch of attention.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to have one when I was a bit younger and a smaller size.

Been wanting to get one again, but they ain’t exactly cheap.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is very true.

I got mine a few years back when Lord & Taylor’s was going out of business.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hipster

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wore a searsucker for my elemetary school graduation

Then I wore it with jeans on the first day of middle school, and this chick totally talked to me.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a good look.

And outstanding for warm weather, as well. I wish it were a bit easier to find.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to break bones more often.

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by RiverRat on Oct 21, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, being stuck here on this sofa

is driving me to the very brink of madness.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my thought.

But no one else said anything so I thought I was wrong.

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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes they are

There are varying degrees of skinny ties

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Normal tie

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, looks the same

at the very least much closer to that than what you posted below where the tie is the same width as the knot, which looks dumb

by prophetjohn on Oct 21, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've already logged my complaint.

I’d feel bad making another.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've figured out recently

That any time anyone does or says something that you find stupid, you can call it being a hipster.

Like I could easily say liking the Beatles makes you a hipster.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I mean have you ever gone to an indie record shop?

All they have is crappy indie-pop, and then like 5 rows of Beatles albums – no other good bands from the 60’s, just the Beatles.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moby Grape!

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not even The Zombies or some other band that everybody knows is totally underappreciated?

(thereby making them quite appreciated actually, so I guess maybe that’s a little ironic there)

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would argue saying you like the Hamburg era

Beatles, or saying you liked them before that poseur Ringo joined up makes you a hipster

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

<3 u Pete Best

The “Love Me Do” single with him is SO much better than the album version with Ringo

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

See I try to defend you and you just keep

going Mike Mulligan’s buddy on me

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And have you heard their recording of "My Bonnie"

with Tony Sheridan? I think it might be their most underrated work. They were known as the Beat Brothers at the time though

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love that real early stuff on Anthology 1

the era before Epstein put them in suits

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

See I just think that there is no way anyone could think the Beatles are actually the best band of all time

So anyone professing they are has some different motivation.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

(I don't actually believe this)

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skinny ties are not mainstream.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is someone trying to squish him with their fingers?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No just his tie

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't everybody?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i am sure there are plenty of other hipster-esque comments to point to

i’m too tired to go searching for them

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like 90% of the stuff I like is super maintream

I’m not opposed to being called a hipster, but I’m not one at all

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Says the guy making his own hot sauce today

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Foodies are hipsters?

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but Rui is because he makes his own beer

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Badly!

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried making beer once.

It was a disaster, so don’t feel bad.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

keep trying!

eventually it gets delicious

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by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well when you've had enough beer

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

ok, brewing your own beer is not a hipster thing

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

a lot of a hipsters brew beer

wait, how hard is brewing beer?

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not very

To make it good? It takes a lot of practice

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, so I'm sure a lot of guys do it to be cool

Just like a lot of guys probably drink beer because it’s cool.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your definition makes less sense than the Theo/Cubs article

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

rb's definition is probably better

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

in my experience

the people who stick with it tend to just be really obsessed with beer.

Also, to get really deep into it you basically need to have a garage, which pushes the demographics of the hobby a bit towards fortysomething dudes.

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by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

PBR is a hipster thing

brewing your own beer is a fun thing to do. many hipsters may do it. but there is no association between the hipster subculture and brewing your own beer, AFAIK.

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ok

I’m just talking about the psychology behind hipsters – I think it could certain lend itself to brewing beer.

Not saying it’s well correlated.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, maybe

but i tend to view hipsters and DIYers as separate subcultures (this is not necessarily the right breakdown, just how i view it myself). a lot of hipsters have no idea how to cook, grow food, fix things themselves, etc. they just like LIKING those things.

DIYers seem to me to be a much less obnoxious culture that keeps out of the way more.

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like we need to come up with an accepted definition

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

always relevant

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by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i actually have no idea what hipsters are or what they do

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither do they

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are just guys who do stuff because they think it's cool

Irony has a lot do with it as well.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't everybody do stuff because they think it's cool?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

maybe the point is that hipsters are people who do a thing only because they think the thing is cool? rather than because, say, they enjoy it?

i have no opinion on this, btw.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that's close to it

I don’t really know how you would separate the current hipsters from anyone else of other times.

I think ironically liking stuff excessively and nostalgia have something to do with it.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought hipsters did stuff because no one else thinks its cool

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

which they think makes them cool

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inception

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, that's what I thought

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definition of a hipster

Aggressive noncomformity expressed solely in an ironic manner.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key to hipster is Detached Irony

Rui can’t be a hipster because he thinks Irony means semi-metallic, and he doesn’t strike me as jaded or smug

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he likes sooo much crap

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you the single easiest way to identify a hipster.

Mention a song to someone.

If they say, “Yeah, that’s not bad, but their first record was better,” then look at them.

If they are currently standing behind a record store counter and appear to be homeless, they’re a record geek.

If they look like anything else, 85% chance you’ve got yourself a hipster.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Little Lion Man is a great song

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but

you should hear this earlier version they put out on a seven inch the year before. Totally hits harder.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not as good as Dustbowl Dance

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think baron denies that he's a hipster

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't appreciate having

my recent commenting record thrown in my face, fink.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to poke fun at his broken foot...

He can’t stand up right now.

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB won't ban you,

he’ll just delete any record of your existence. In the middle of the night.

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by RiverRat on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

...is that a phrase?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pardon?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd never heard that phrase before

But it is real

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

it’s usually ‘telling tales out of school’. But I like the way speaking out of school sounds in my head, so I typed it.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And no,

I didn’t specifically mention Carnival at all.

Even though it was totally their best record.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not what I was thinking of.

I was thinking of the Cardigans’ first record, which was not called Carnival at all. Carnival was a song off the Life record, and I had it as an album title for some reason.

I can’t for the life of me recall what their first record was called now. Very irritating.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assumed it wasn't actually Wyclef

But that was the only album with a name like that I could think of. I actually really like that album.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't bad.

Kind of overshadowed by Lauryn Hill’s solo record, but not a bad effort for all that. I never really felt like any of the Fugees even approached their group work solo, though.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Following a brief consultation of a system of tubes,

Life was, in fact, their first record. I had the right record but the wrong order.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it, now that just doesn't seem right to me.

And yes, I’m just talking to myself at this point.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Emmerdale was the debut.

Pretty good record, but they hit their highest point on Life, the second record.

There. I feel better now.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

see my example too…i think they are pathological lie’rs too

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

More of a Type I proposition

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do hipsters write poetry?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do hipsters grow their own gardens?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

but so does my mom who is an environmental nut.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

no no no

thats hippees

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but hipster's do it too

Actually though, maybe not. Making your own garden is probably a lot of work.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are hipsters opposed to doing work?

Or just doing work for THE MAN

Seriously, what’s the definition

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the immortal word of potter stewart

I know it when I see it

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by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

here we go

urban dictionary will save us all

relevant portions:

Both hipster men and women sport similar androgynous hair styles that include combinations of messy shag cuts and asymmetric side-swept bangs.

hipsters tend to be well educated and often have liberal arts degrees, or degrees in maths and science

Hipsters are also very racially open-minded, and the greatest number of interracial couples in any urban environment are typically found within the hipster subculture.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

GODDAMMIT IHB

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

hipsters are not educated

maybe have that degree but they know how to benefit…i.e. people were mentioning infinite jest a couple days back….hipster=read synopsis just to be able to converse on the subject if it came up

i have a shaggy hair

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i agree with this

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahaahahaaa

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hipsters are only "racially open-minded"

Because they think that other people are racist, therefore making inter-racial coupling non-comformative.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, absolutely. But not all people who write poetry are hipsters.

But all people who wear skinny ties who are neither Justin Timberlake or in a television show set in the 50’s… are.

by a fink on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dad tried to do hot sauce one time

He’s a big habanero guy, all that super spicy stuff.

He had much the same experience you seem to be. The house was basically like walking into a can of mace. He was summarily forbidden from ever trying anything so foolish again.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do it once a year.

Today I’ve done gypsy, banana, hungarian wax, red thai, and am currently on jalapenos. Habaneros will be done outside.

Makes good (cheap) Christmas presents for the dudes in my family.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 21, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't care for spicy food well enough

to go for anything like that.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

...To his house?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, Rui, I bet you just love Bruce Springstein

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I've even heard Born to Run

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this was directed at rui,

but it still hurts those of us it passes too close to, you know.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's nothing wrong with being a hipster

just embrace it.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm too old to be a hipster, sadly.

Ironic tee shirts on guys my age just don’t work.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Irony is totally five years ago.

Now it’s weird scarves and even weirder man-boots.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I believe

I may still be dressing like that without realising. Oh, god, what am I going to do?

Though I don’t think I have any weird man-boots. Actually, on second thought, define weird.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dad gave me a pair of manboots for college

They are pretty nice, although I guess they pretty much look like cowboy boots, so they’re weird.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wear cowboy boots

or anything cut even close to them. My feet are too wide up toward the toes.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aah, widefoot aye

My condolences.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, not bad.

Not wide enough normal shoes give me any trouble, just cowboy boots.

I do have large feet, which occasionally makes it difficult to find shoes in my size, but they’re not excessively wide to where normal width shoes don’t fit.

My mother, on the other hand, has duck feet. Tragic.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Custom made boots

there are still a lot of places in denver that make them to fit

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure there are around here, too,

if I looked really hard. It would be nice to one like one good pair, really dandyish, but I don’t really have the need to seek out a good place just because I think I might occasionally like to look like Owen Wilson from Royal Tenenbaums.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Tobias

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tee-hee.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do have different styles.

I have excessively wide feet. I just have to get them with a rounder toe.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Huh. Fair enough. I don’t really like them well enough to actively seek out a good pair, but perhaps some day.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got EEE's in dress shoes.

I have a really nice pair of black cherry lizard-skin Nacona’s. You just have to keep them cleaned and oiled so they stretch and don’t crack.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must say,

black cherry and lizard all in the same sentence, when I know it’s referring to shoes, is rather enticing…

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB's gonna be looking for an exotic

restaurant this weekend.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another widefoot?

I thought I was the only one.

Seriously, I have duck feet. Certain shoes just don’t work.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, like I said,

cowboy boots are really the only ones I’ve had trouble with. One or two pairs of dress shoes I’ve had that just weren’t very comfortable, but not unwearable.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I had wide feet EE

until I heard about Dave Butz of old Washington Redskins fame he wore a EEEEE shoe meaning that his feet were nearly 8" wide

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm

Those are my examples.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh.

Um, well, in that case I just…mrgrphmfr.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

I don’t think I have anything that looks quite like that. At least not that pointy.

I do have a pair of bright green patent-leather hiking boots, though, and a purple velvet pair of Doc Martens from high school still.

I do have one pair with the buckles like the bottom, but they’re more of a motorcycle style than beatle boots.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

the bottom ones are just stupid looking

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, they look like girlboots

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

they look like a cross

between a biker boot and a cap-toe dress shoe. That equals stupid looking, not even girlie just stupid.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

the mettle strap is the same thing on like gucci purses

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that I'm not being fair

to individual style. I’m just saying that I wouldn’t be caught dead with those on.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

no i agree

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're at least a little girl

This issue is now decided.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first pair are close to the one's i have

mine are more hightoppy and wihtout the laces though.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first pair is the pair everybody has one of.

i do not, because i’ve always thought they looked weird. but, y’know, no big deal if guys wear them. they’re hipster-chic right now.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

the top pair I just look at

as high top shoes. I have some Doc Martin’s like that, had them for years. comfortable as hell.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

that’s not what I’d call a boot. The black ones are, I don’t even know what to say (that wouldn’t get me in trouble).

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much on both counts

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the fuck are man-boots?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

boots

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have dress boots.

but they don’t look like those half-ass things above.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEB: We mourn by talking about fashion

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody needs a release point.

That just happens to be ours.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

why?

there’s no rational reason for anything in style.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I'm fine with boots if you're wearing a suit and it's raining

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corduroy suit and

low-top shitkickers. I like it.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wear boots when I hunt, is that ok with you?

Also, what’s a cowboy supposed to wear?

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was more to this, but sbn ate it

mostly, i’m not a fan because i see it as the fashion industry capitalizing on the supposed crisis of american masculinity — I’M A MAN AND I WEAR BOOTS ‘CAUSE I TOTALLY WORK OUTSIDE ’N’ STUFF — which i find fucking annoying.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to laugh at the idea of a man-cave or

man-card.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

man card revoked

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know, right?

“drink our shitty watery-tasting beer or else you’re a chick”

FFS

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I only drink Dr. Pepper

oh wait, they pulled that crap too

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

most working cowboys wear Dustin Ropers

I have several friends that do rodeos and that’s all they wear.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dustin Roper

sounds like star of gay pornographic films.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can see that.

they are actually a highly functional work boot. you’re much less likely to turn your ankle.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I didn’t realise. I have a pair of Red Wings I’ve had since I was 19 working on framing houses, and those things are just amazing.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red Wing work boots

last forever. That’s what we always wore on the farm. I knew my dad was getting serious about me getting crap done in the field when he took me in to buy some Red Wing boots.

Of course now my feet are so damn narrow that I can’t find boots to fit me to save my life. I’d damn near kill for a pair of pull on boots to wear in winter.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feet too narrow?

I’ll bet that makes an awful lot of shoes awfully uncomfortable.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, it just makes them fall off

my foot or slip around in the heel to where they’re useless.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh.

I would think you would get blisters and the like. I suppose not, though.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm late to this party, but...

I have narrow feet also. Try Asolo boots — they tend to be narrow. These are good-quality hiking boots and trail shoes from an Italian company that started out making mountaineering gear. You can get them for ~$80 on clearance via Sierra Trading Post.

by apack on Oct 21, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

ropers are a type of cowboy boot

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony Llama's for dress boots

but for working boots Dustin Ropers are pretty much it.

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love good snow boots.

For when I’m out in the snow… in my cardigan.

by a fink on Oct 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again with

the cardigans

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this link goes to Lovefool,

and not something from the rest of their rather brilliant catalogue, I promise to find and punch you many times.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gaaahhhh!

And yet I still cannot turn it off.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the robot's fault

he quoted the song earlier in the week.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron

by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 22, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hammock

Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA

by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

This comment got derailed.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This team doesn't do anything the easy way

No need to start jumping off bridges or calling for someone’s head.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

am i a bad fan for secretly hoping this goes seven?

makes it way more fun and exciting.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

on that note...

the (not as hardcore fans) friends i had over last night kept claiming last night’s game as “boring.” i can’t tell you how much it annoys me when casual baseball fans call a pitcher’s duel boring. last night was great baseball, and even though we came out on the wrong end, it was still a great game to watch.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

People who call last night's game "boring"

aren’t even casual fans. They should go watch handegg or something. They’re also the people that call soccer boring just because they don’t score. Well, if TD’s were worth two points and FG were worth one point, then handegg would be pretty fucking “boring” most of the time too.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm hoping for us to win in 6

Mainly because I have bleacher tickets for that game

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

my roommate has tickets to game 7.

so i’m kind of rooting for that for him. plus, i mean, game 7. hasn’t happened since the 2002 (!) world series.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

on that note, fox has to hate its life

2003: 6 games
2004: WS canceled
2005: 4 games
2006: 5 games
2007: 4 games
2008: 5 games
2009: 6 games
2010: 5 games

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Whatever

They get all the free advertising for football!!!

Not to mention that the Yankees and Red Sox have played in over half of those matchups which leads to really good rating regardless.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish

they would have held that 2004 WS. That would have been fun.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you...

now stick around and ban fang if he keeps obsessing.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just leave it alone

If he wants to play the “responsible dickish parent who won’t allow anyone to vent frustration” then let him.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn...somtimes I read too fast, because I thought you said....

Thank you
now stick around and bang fang if he keeps obsessing.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 21, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

banging fang would make him obsess less

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is untrue.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Tony protecting Motte?

Look this whole “Motte’s not the closer” thing is clearly not just a media thing, but was made for some reason for the benefit of the bullpen. I’m guessing it’s partly because of Motte. Remember when Motte was first made a deemed closer?

Motte pitched fine in his two ABs. But once it’s 2nd and 3rd no outs, you expect at least 1 run to cross the plate. So you already view Motte as having blown it, but if he gives up a solid hit to Hamilton/Young/Beltre it might have consequences for his confidence in future matchups. Or maybe Tony was thinking Rhodes would make Hamilton look like Howard in the LDS, but it’s really easy to strike out Howard.

What really bugs me is why we didn’t walk Young and pitch to Beltre for the potential DP. Especially with Lynn.

by enoscountry on Oct 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

For that matter, why didn't we walk Hamilton and leave Motte in to pitch to Young?

Motte doesn’t walk many people and he throws a lot of strikes. You could play the infield in at the corners and deep in the middle infield — basically giving them a run to get two outs if the ball is hit up the middle. If a ball is hit right at Descalso or Pujols, you can get a home to first double play and still have the lead.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kept expecting that move

it’s not quite as clear-cut a choice as when the same situation happens in the bottom of the ninth. Two runs didn’t guarantee a win here (although, effectively they did with the batters we had coming up). Even after the game was tied, I was half-expecting a IBB to set up a potential DP to keep the tie.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

....which is what should have been done.

Beltre is easier to strike out than Michael Young, and in the grand scheme of things, 1 run isn’t a ton different from 4 runs if Beltre happens to get into one and drive it out of the yard. Plus, you set up force plays everywhere.

Here’s the thing though: You should be doing this with Motte on the mound. Why? Because he throws a lot of strikes and is less likely to walk in a run. He also can get strikeouts. So, to me, the move should have been to put Hamilton on base and let Motte pitch to Young with the bases loaded. If he gets a ground ball to the middle infield, we concede the tying run and get two outs in the process. If he hits a ball to the corner infield, we can get a home to first double play. Regardless, with a force play set up at every base, we are much more likely to make an out with a ball in play than we are with men on second and third, and we’ve set up a force play at home plate as well.

This really should have been the move last night, imo.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I can kind of, somewhat, see going after Hamilton as he’s supposedly hurt, but I’d much rather take my chances with Motte EVEN IF Rhodes should have a better chance of striking him out (which I don’t believe but, whatever). Taking Motte out there means having to bring in Lynn to face Young & Beltre. I’d rather see Motte vs. Hamilton than Lynn vs. Young/Beltre.

Once Tony made the move to Rhodes I was surprised that it wasn’t Dotel coming in after him. He’s seemed to be the “go-to” guy after Motte (and, lately, Salas). Despite Lynn’s faster stuff, Dotel seems to get more SO (based purely on random and likely inaccurate observations, I didn’t look up their K/9 rates).

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't u think these situations which are like level 3, 4, 5 etc thinking

is still hard for a manager with the 30 years experience plus…to think on the fly

sometimes its best to keep it simple because in general the more you think the marginal benefit might not be that great or worth analyzing over the long run

maybe its not asking too much but i dont disagree with the rhodes descision because someone said the splits favored RHODES=more likeley to K hamilton

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

final analysis

When a team scores 2 runs in an inning off of 2 singles, the offensive
team usually has to do something wise and and the defensive has to do
something dumb.

by ridgesee on Oct 21, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Except it was two singles leading off the inning to guys who have speed

Speed can take advantage of a throw that was somewhat off and cutoff that was missed/not made. The Rangers simply executed well by hitting fly balls after that.

by bailorg on Oct 21, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

So is SBN having problems?

I’ve noticed that often this week “vivaelbirdos.com” won’t load in my browser. I have noticed that in 2 specific instances, “www.vivaelbirdos.com” loaded when “vivaelbirdos.com” would not load.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

that would be your DNS server having a problems, not SBN.

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, no

I’ve tested it from 3 different locations and seen the same issue, at different times of day – that’s what makes it odd . It seems to affect several sites (I don’t know a lot of them, but for instance I checked BCB) .

The local DNS server doesn’t give a crap, it just passes the request on. The request resolves – the page just doesn’t load . No biggie, it’s just odd.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's really weird...

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beg to differ with
If you’re thinking to yourself that that was an especially depressing way to lose Game 2 of the World Series, you are correct.

It was an exciting game. And it seems to me it was decided not by managers’ choices of which dice to roll or players’ failure to make plays but by three excellent plays from the Rangers’ MI: the double play in the fourth, the shovel pass in the fifth, and Kinsler’s eluding the tag in the ninth. I’m not depressed by that kind of loss.

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by alberich on Oct 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

FWIW

I’ll be on the radio this afternoon at 1:30pm on 92.1 in Fayetteville, AK. I’m pretty sure it streams online as well but I’m at work and can’t link to that kind of stuff.

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by azruavatar on Oct 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Will you still remember all the little people when you finally make it?

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

does anybody ever?

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by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did...

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

you did?

well then… I guess… yeah! for the little people!

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by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're going to be on the radio in Alaska?

;-)

Just a native Arkansawyer foolin’ with ya.

by Washoo on Oct 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Touche. AR then, right?

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by azruavatar on Oct 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone said that in the fanshot too and I didn't notice.

Dumb is as dumb does.

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by azruavatar on Oct 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better, I did the same things on my wedding invitations

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

they allow iPhones in Arkansas now?

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm living in St. Louis now, so....

:-D

And don’t be too hard on those of us hailing from The Natural State. Anybody who’s family has lived there more than one generation is 98% certain to be a born-and-bred Cardinals fan.

by Washoo on Oct 21, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I like to joke about Arkansas

I lived down there for a few years while I was in school and I’ve got family from down there. Most Arkansans are good people, even though they are too obsessed with that ridiculous thing in your avatar.

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's awesome

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who can't see these?

damn red x…

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by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

this should be green and it isn't.

third comment i’ve recced in the past two minutes that should be green and isn’t.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love it

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because you'd rather save your money for Game 6 and/or Game 7 tickets in St. Louis (if necessary)?

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by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever been successful at that?

I’ve been wondering about that being a possibility…

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by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two thoughts

1.) Poor Jaime
2.) In a best of five where the cards add Allen Craig and the Rangers add Torreaba/Moreland I still like the Cards chances

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

One game at a time!

We’ve been on a incredible run. We’ve made it this far. Its not like we gave up a 4 run lead in the ninth. The Rangers did what they needed to do last night, like what we needed to do the night before. Motte is human & will be ready to go next time. Yes we will need to win at least one in Texas. Through out this whole post season we have responded after a set back. & we will again! The media thrives on pointing out failures. Let’s keep reminding ourselves of all the positives & keep it going. GO CARDS!

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by CliffNotes on Oct 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

We weren't supposed to win in Philly and we did.

We weren’t supposed to be able to beat the Brewers at their home because they kick everyone’s ass there but we did.

I know we can win in Arlington.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its the money thing

Just over a grand for hotel, flight, and car. Then another 700 for 2 SRO tickets.

If only I were a millionaire

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

with everything that’s happened with this team this year, the one thing i AM confident in is that this team can win a game or two on the road.

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've won two out of three on the road in every series

I would be happy if that continued

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The difference was small but important

Pujols missing that cut off from Jay in the 9th. Could of held Andrus to 1st instead of going to 2nd.

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

ya know...

it really IS a game of inches…

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by pattimagee on Oct 21, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

This just in: TLR is no longer a genius

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry, he'll be a genuis again tomorrow night

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

aren't we supposed to

“pay no attention to the man behind the curtain?”

by sdangler on Oct 21, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kinsler's SB

He got an enormous jump, if we’re looking at all the many ways this team lost the game, Motte not throwing over is right up there. Not seeing the runner on tv and watching yadi’s throw, I assumed Kinsler would be out by a mile, it was a missle. Replays showed Kinsler halfway to the bag before Motte released the ball.

by bobtpooner on Oct 21, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Pickoff moves are called for by the manager and signaled to the pitcher by Yadi.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

it’s his job to check on the runner and try to keep him close. I didn’t see Kinsler’s lead on the steal, but the announcers seemed to think Motte didn’t check on him sufficiently on that pitch.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, it's hard to fault Motte when it happens to every other pitcher too

Kinsler has a career 83% stealing percentage or something crazy

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fast and Smart I like Kinsler a lot

Yadi threw a bullet strike and even then he got in ahead of it.

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rangers agreed to trade him for Larry Walker in 03

but Walker wouldn’t waive his no trade. A Tulo/Kinsler middle infield would be NASTY

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Motte is not quick to the plate

tradeoff for all that awesome velocity. It is what it is.

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are there numbers on that?

I thought he was quicker than average because of some partial “throws like a catcher” thing, but I have no numbers to back that up.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know where to find them

but that leg kick slows him down quite a bit

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it's not it makes that much of a difference

probably decreases the odds of getting a CS by 10% or so.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

1/10th of a second equals 3 feet at full speed

if Motte were 1/10th of a second quicker to the plate, Kinsler is out by two and a half feet.

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, assuming Kinsler gets the exact same jump, runs the exact same time, and yadi makes the exact same throw

Kinsler’s got a career 86% CS – he can steal off anyone. The odds go down when the pitcher is quicker to the plate.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the Schnucks on South Grand in South City STL

and walked by a little old lady (looked to be about 80) sitting near the exit perhaps waiting for a ride. She was talking to the security guard. As I walked by I heard her say, “Both them teams played good last night. Real good.” See stopped to gather steam. “But LaRussa made a mistake. Cost the game he did.” Grannies don’t tell lies.

by jjray on Oct 21, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Was she short and green?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

African american lady

… but we do have green grannies in the neighborhood.

by jjray on Oct 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's october 21st

and our team is still playing baseball.

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well I mean, not TODAY

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

rui gonna rui

in the spirit of taking other VEB-ers positions, i’ll fill in your response: “i don’t ALWAYS rui. last year i found a dollar on the floor at work so i was technically receiving income for the work i did. i’d say i only rui 98.9% of the time. my mom is inhumanly promiscuous.”

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I keep wanting to cancel direct TV

but I don’t have an antennae yet

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 21, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a dose of reality

Well, it was going to happen someday. Now I’m really thankful that least we won Game 1. What was more disppointing than the bullpen fail was that our 1-5 went 2-19 with 2 walks. That’s just ugly, especially for a team which banks on offensive production to win games. Allen Craig can’t be the only one that’s producing. Pujols, Jay, and Furcal in particular haven’t done very much to impress me.

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by hr on Oct 21, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I dunno, I felt like we scorched a few balls that found gloves really easily

I’m sure the Rangers did too. Even though we only scored one run I just didn’t have the feeling like I did in Garcia’s home start against he Phillies. We had tons of opportunities in that game.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A win would have too...

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

but still

Need a signachah heah!

by hr on Oct 21, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

A win would have actually made it more likely

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
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by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So the Cards lost last night.

So what. I didn’t even get to watch the game because I had to work. We’ll win 1 or possibly 2 in Texas. This thing is going 6, or probably 7.

by mattisnotfrench on Oct 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it just me or does Pujols look even gimpier than usual?

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by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Since he got hit in the ankle, sure

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Asshat alert

surprise, surprise Passan slams Albert in his latest piece, I would linki but would rather spare him the page views.

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Most popular asshat in VEB history...

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone's coming in a close second right now. . .

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH! Someboady get some lukewarm water for that...

BURN!

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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 21, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll remember this!

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was a joke!

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever...

I remember what this place was like before I joined, and I know what it is today…

It is what it is…

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

my best analysis for last nite's game:

If we score more than one fucking run we, at least, don’t lose in 9. When you score only one fucking run, you’re just begging the other team to beat you.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

You guys are happier when we win

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

you know what, you might be right

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I missed this

but why Lynn over Dotel? We needed a K there, and Dotel has 10 in 7 postseason innings, Lynn has 1 in 5.

by redbirds34 on Oct 21, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Pehaps because

this year, Lynn has the same K/9 as Dotel (Lynn – 11.84, Dotel – 11.68) and Lynn has a much higher GB% than Dotel and we wanted a ground ball (57.7% to 34.2% ).

Lynn was more than a defensible choice there – he just happened to give up a sac fly to a guy with 2000+ hits.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

but a ground ball wouldn't necessarily have helped

that would make more sense if we had walked Young to try to set up the DP w/ Beltre batting.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Infield was in

You’re right that a ground ball doesn’t “necessarily” help – but if the infield is in and makes a play, the runner can be looked back to third, or a play can be made at the plate.

A fly ball doesn’t “necessarily” help either; it can go for a double or a home run, or, in this case, a sac fly.

In any event, Lynn’s and Dotel’s K rates are practically the same this year, so it didn’t really matter one way or the other given that we wanted a K.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 21, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Lohse v. Jackson in Game 3

It’s not inconsequential which one gets the Game 3 start, because he’s the one lined up to pitch Game 7. Jackson’s a little better than Lohse — no argument there — so I hope that’s our guy.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone think there is a chance Carp pitches game 4

On three days rest, so he can be available for game 7 on three days rest?

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

there's definitely a possibility

but i’m not sure how good i feel about that idea.

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

With his reported arm soreness, I think that is less likely.

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by bgh on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really,

it didn’t work out too well the last time.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

STL 5, PHI 4!

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing our team is built to take advantage of a bandbox.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do not want

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but we could see him in the bullpen in Game 7

Honestly, unless either EJax or Lohse has a start like Jaime’s last night, Game 7 is going to be a bullpen game — and I’d expect to see Carp in there.

by matt man on Oct 21, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game 7 ain't getting played.

Cards clinch at home behind Garcia.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this scenario

I’ll be at that game!

Have to win two in Texas though

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I recall winning two of three in Milwaukee...

(nobody mention Marcum’s name, that totally doesn’t matter)

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's already been announced that its Lohse

Which to me is a bad decision for just the reason you said. I would rather have Jackson in a game 7

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

so ...

jaime looked pretty good last night.

by hangingfromatree on Oct 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF!? Just went to the Yahoo web page to see a picture of Pujols with the following headline

“Baseball Star’s Cowardly Post-Game Move”

Read the article, and it’s SUCH BS. These people are going to eat their words when we win the WS.

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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

What does winning the WS have anything to do with this

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

win--->positive articles; lose---->negative articles

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are they literally going to eat their words

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

tough to do with the elimiation of print media

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd imagine a hard drive would be a bitch to swallow

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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are happy or sad that we lost yesterday?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

both and neither

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you're in kind of a weird place

Obviously you’d like us to win, but us losing yesterday makes it far more likely that there’s a game 6, which you spent a lot of money on

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but all that money is refundable. so thankfully that's not a concern.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean, i do really want to go to STL

but i don’t want to go there just to see us lose, either. i root for a cardinal victory regardless of my personal circumstances.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

with only a minimal coating of ketchup to render them palatable.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I was just getting my angry on.

Bud seriously, why do they have to throw “cowardly” out there?

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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Max Mercy rules of journalism.

If you can’t get them to talk to you, tear them down.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

because the sports media appears to be having a competition

as to who can go most over the top with the day’s theme. Yesterday was the genius of TLR, today is PujolsLeavesTheStadiumGate. It’s too bad we didn’t win, because if we had Jeff Passan would written a column comparing Allen Craig to Gandhi, George Washington, and Jesus.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

the players turn off their brains anyways

during these interviews (majority of the time and majority of the players)…at least the press conference style…you just rattle off the same sport mantras over the past 30 yrs and you get by

i mean berkman says “well said” after freese talked about G1 win….its redundant….freese is actually like a kid in a candy store when he’s interviewed he likes to talk

its a non issue for me and i couldnt care less…the media doesn’t help itself calling him a coward…that doesn’t exactly get you any interviews in the future

pujols should stay locked in and have the tunnel vision to focus on whats important…plus who the hell really would want to talk to bernie effin miklaz

by guillermozeliak on Oct 22, 2011 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's OK

A mad Pujols hits better than a non-mad Pujols, I think.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do understand why TLR is being questioned

That said, we lost because we were beat. Great stolen base there by Kinsler – 7 terrific innings from Garcia and we were winning 1-0. Motte did not blow it, he was beat and there is a difference. I didn’t think this was going to be an easy series and now it’s not – gotta win two in Arlington

by riotmute on Oct 21, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

last night's loss was tough. but i'm just not really that upset.

its funny, i was so much more emotionally invested in the milwaukee series. why is that?

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Because we hate them

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ohhhh

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

the WS always feels like just a bonus.

kicking iheartboog's ass in fantasy football since 2011

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think its bc

your team is always plays the last game of the season no matter the outcome

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 feet and a tenth of a second is all that separated that game from being 2-0 cards instead of 2-1 rangers

3 feet more and albert puts us up 2-0

3 feet less an furcal catches that bloop

Tenth of a second slower, and yadi nails kinsler

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

That's baseball

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well said

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention the play by Andrus

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

attaboy Freese

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

green it people

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guessed the things that pissed me off the most were..

not really in any part… order

1. Punto bunting and bunting and then swinging at bad pitches.
2. No doubles defense. Kind of felt like prevent defense in the NFL (same results).
3. Motte doing a bad job of holding Kinsler on base.
4. Pujols muff on the cut off throw.

I could live with all of the bullpen matchup stuff that LaRussa through out there. But for some reason the Punto at-bat grated my nerves the most. Oh well.

by Xeifrank on Oct 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

You root for us?

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I root

with my wallet once my team is out. :)

by Xeifrank on Oct 21, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, of course

Quite the inefficiency to exploit there, I suppose

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which means

Game #1. I rooted for a low scoring game.
Game #2. I rooted for a low scoring game and the Cardinals to win.

Game #3. Haven’t decided to wager yet, but if I do I will likely be rooting for a game with less than 9.5 runs and the Cardinals winning. :)

by Xeifrank on Oct 21, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd been okay with the no-doubles previously.

Once I saw Kinsler’s SB success rate, though, I changed my mind. Dude got caught like four times this year.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

of all those things mentioned

the no doubles defense sticks in my craw the worst. That little pop fly is an out 90+% of the time if Holliday is playing a regular depth.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ozzie would've

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably

‘though Furcal is fairly quick. See if we’d just kept Chambers on the roster and put him in for Holliday for defense…

(not really, but if he were available, I wouldn’t put it past Tony to take out both Berkman & Holliday)

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

or ph for yadi

the more i think about it chamber over schu shouldve happened but i believe tony just likes the veterans in this situation

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Chambers makes that catch either.

That was positioning.

Also, I cannot find video of Ozzie’s full layout while McGee is diving too.

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right

Usain Bolt would have had a hard time getting to that ball from where Holliday was playing. I was just piling on to the “defensive substitution” arguments.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this guy

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news

The Cardinals have been good on the road this year. We have carp going in one game. We face Derek Holland in another. We are relatively un-injured. Despite popular belief, Edwin Jackson has pitched one good game in the playoffs. We have the best pitcher, and the best position player on the field.

We will win at least one, wrestling back home field advantage.

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

what's the business about the media being mad at the cardinals veterans

ken rosenthal is standing up while he types on twitter, but i can’t find any stories

by prophetjohn on Oct 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

guys, including AP and i think Yadi, skipped media availability last night.

which, i do have to say, is pretty lame. it basically meant Motte had to sit there for a half hour answering stupid questions.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're joking right?

the Passanasshat article is linked in this thread.

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

VEB’s predictability served me well, making that link very easy to find with a quick ctrl+f

by prophetjohn on Oct 21, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually agree

those guys should stick around and answer questions. But, the outcry of the media is a bit outlandish.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently

Pujols, yadi, holliday, and berk left in a hurry last night, not taking post game questions.

The media are whiny little bitches when they dont get their post game stock answers

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, but during the world series our veterans shouldn't be skipping out

We may not like Passan as a writer but he has a point. These guys are supposed to be professionals. They get paid a shit ton of money to play a kids game. They should be able to sit there and answer questions for 90min.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

also it sounds like they kinda left motte to get picked at by the media in their place

which is a shame—he didn’t deserve to have all that on his shoulders

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was going to get those questions anyway.

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

it’s pretty much part of their job to answer annoying questions. i know they’d like to think that the media isn’t vital to their sport and are there merely to be annoying (probably closer to the truth), just as salesmen/merchants don’t think financial analysts and accountants are vital to business…in fact, both of the former probably take the same disdainful attitude toward the latter of their respective counterparts. it was also pretty crappy to leave your teammates holding the bag after a frustrating loss. the press are annoying as hell, but they have a job to do as well and both parties are members of a larger scheme that puts food on the table for both of them, whether they can fathom that or not.

that being said, goading players who do not comply is a shitty way to respond. throwing out terms like “cowardly” and playing the “bad leader” card is juvenile. passhat did nothing to further the image of the press in the eyes of athletes.

(insert funny one-liner here)

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jaime

It was a good game with good pitching. We all know the Birds can’t bank on a win with only 1 run from our NL best offense. Jaime looked great out there and he needed a solid start for confidence later in the series. It’s a poor job by our closers, no doubt, but as we all know we are better with our backs against the wall. I’m down in Texas and had to deal with fans acting like they won the world series after last nights win. It never gets old asking how many titles they have.

by yadibomb on Oct 21, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

you live in texas and you're a cardinals fan

why the fuck do you care how many titles the rangers have?

by shoe gays on Oct 21, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, see you later!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 21, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeya Art

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aw I miss him :(

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was pretty good for a laff

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I go to school in texas and grew up in St. Louis. It’s annoying to see a fan base that has just popped up in the past 3 years because all of a sudden they have a ball club that’s decent. So I care how many titles they have because they have 0 and act like they have as many as the Yankees.

by yadibomb on Oct 22, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice post
But if you really want the why of this game, or the why of any close baseball game, it isn’t about who gave up the sacrifice flies—it’s just because.

This is correct, and I’m sure it’s a big reason why I don’t give as much of a crap about this world series run as I did the 06 one.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

because applied in 2006 too...

YOU THINK BUD SELIG INVENTED THAT?

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I probably didn't know about it in 06

Or maybe I didn’t care.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't care a huge amount in 06 either...

I care when the team has a legit claim on being the best in baseball, not when we’re hoping to slide through on some sss fluke.

Of course the Cards always lose in the playoffs when they are the favorites…

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think we're one of the very best teas in baseball right now?

I think with our new pen, Furcal, Carp pitching as if possessed, and a healthy line-up, we are.

by a fink on Oct 21, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we're probably close

It doesn’t really matter either way though.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i'm with you on this.

lots of runs, improved defense, improved pitching… and, SSS, but the cards have been beating some of the other “best team” candidates lately.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

I just never really liked this team. I hate Ryan Theriot. I have no use for Skip. Rasmus was a favorite and they dumped him for crap. And when Patterson donned the birds on the bat, I checked out.

The Cardinals should never employ ex-Cubs, and certainly not the worst ex-Cubs in baseball.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way, this team is really fun to watch.

i’m no fan of Skryan Therimaker either, but once the bullpen got revamped, that’s more or less the only guys on the team i feel that way about. we got yadi having his best season ever, a full season of carp being good, a bunch of unproven guys turning into solid role players (and from time to time, NLCS mvps), berkman being on the team, sudden competence at defensive SS. and the guys seem to have fun together. plus MAGICAL PLAYOFF RUN.

so no, you’re wrong, you DO actually like this team.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even the magical playoff run was a race to finish second...

maybe if we had overtaken the Brewers it would have been better.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're not exactly Earl Grey

but we’re much higher up than Luzianne.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

question: what was the actual thing that tlr said re pujols hitting that led to the meme?

was it: YOU THINK ALBERT PUJOLS ISN’T GONNA HIT?!

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

thank you. i always thought it was about pujols, so i guess that's why google didn't work

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

so he didn't really yell...but the walking off was cool.

you think david freese isn’t gonna hit?

funny to look at that presser now considering we ended up with the best offense in the league

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It must be really annoying to answer these kind of questions after 5 games

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

IN THE FIRST WEEK OF THE SEASON!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He really has started to look like old Johnny Cash

sounds a bit like him as well.

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grit is a fiery thing

and it makes a gritty ring

Stupid UCL's.

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 21, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

my name is tony l.

and i’ll see you all in hell! and i’ll see you all in hell! damn yer pressers.

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

damn, dude,......you are just gold today.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And everyday.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

It is October in St. Louis, and there is baseball to be played. - Red Baron

by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just for Game Thread Usage purposes...

…saw this list of Mr. Freeze’s lame puns on a Cracked.com article.

  • “Ice to see you!”
  • “You’re not sending me to the cooler!”
  • “I’m afraid my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy.”
  • “Tonight, hell freezes over!”
  • “What killed the dinosaurs? The Ice Age!”
  • “In this universe, there’s only one absolute … everything freezes!”
  • “Cool party!”
  • “If revenge is a dish best served cold, then put on your Sunday finest. It’s time to feast!”
  • “Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it’s the chilling sound of your doom.”
  • “Let’s kick some ice!”
  • “Caution. Bridge may ice over.”
  • “Always winterize your pipes.”
  • “Not so fast. Time you cooled your heels.”
  • “Alright, everyone, chill!”
  • “Cops on the rocks, anyone?”
  • “Bat on ice, anyone?”
  • “We aim to … Freeze.”
  • “I wonder how cold I can get my shower … Frosty!”
  • “You’re skating on thin ice. My passion thaws for my bride alone.”
  • “Tonight’s forecast … a freeze is coming!”
  • “Nothing frustrates a man like a frigid wife.”

Thank you, Joel Schumaker, for ruining my childhood.

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by TheDuke32 on Oct 21, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I know, I know, I'm in enemy territory...

…but I hope we can all agree that was an excellent baseball game.

I thought bringing in Rhodes was the wrong move, specifically because the best possible scenario there is a K. Motte gives you a far better chance of doing that, especially against a guy who winces every time he moves.

Also: is Descalso an elite defender? I found the move to pull Freese, one of your best bats, in favor of Descalso odd.

Two great baseball games so far; looking forward to seeing your fans visit my town.

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--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Oct 21, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

GET OUT OF HERE WE HATE AND YOU SHOULDNT BE HERE

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But to point

1) Yes, it was a great game

2) Yes, bringing in Rhodes was the wrong move

3) Descalso is a plus defender, yes, but as stated above, the chances he makes a play that Freese doesn’t is lower than the chance that we need Freese’s bat at some point in the next few innings

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a hell of a game,

except for getting shut down by Colby F. Lewis. Now I know how everybody else felt all those years not hitting Jeff Suppan.

Also, we don’t take kindly to your kind around here.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

(st. louis symphony breaks into "dueling banjos")

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I would totally buy tickets to that.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though, come to think of it,

‘dueling trombones’ doesn’t sound like quite the same thing, does it?

Not that I wouldn’t still be tempted to buy tickets…

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair...

…Colby, while he’s struggled this year, has been pretty darn good on the road, and has been nails in the postseason. He held the Yankees to 1 run over 8 innings in Game 6 of the ALCS last year. When he’s locked in, he’s great.

Also helps when Elvis Andrus is behind him.

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by ghtd36 on Oct 21, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a magician.

And I knew folks in STL would appreciate defensive prowess from a shortstop. If I remember correctly, y’all had some guy who was alright there for a while…

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by ghtd36 on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

our genius manager dumped him for Ryan Theriot.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I miss Cesar Izturis too

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't mind them.

We’re just a little pissy about getting shut down by a soft tossing righty. it’s usually soft-tossing lefty’s that give us fits. As long as you don’t make asshat remarks you’re fine. You’re more likely to catch sarcasm than any real vitriol.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 21, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I TOLD YOU TO LEAVE

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, have you guys read this article yet about Cubs and Theo?

It’s actually worse than the article I posted yesterday. Which I did not think was possible.

Link

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't understand what the hell that guy was saying until I read the final line and everything became clear...
Gary Karton is a speechwriter in Washington, D.C.

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I posted this in last nights thread too late at night

andrus was out at second, his foot came up off the bag while furcal still had his glove on him.

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

No

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do i make it so people can see it

its from my email, i copied the URL but it won’t show up for anyone else

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upload it to imgur

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA YOU FORGOT TO REMOVE THE IMAGE TAGS FROM THAT LINK VIA PHOTOBUCKET

HAHA YOU LOOK LIKE SUCH AN ASS RIGHT NOW HAHAHAHAHAH

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what is wrong with you

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

my week just ended.

i had three tests, a project, regular homework, work, and world series to deal with this week. i’m in a really loopy and relieved mood.

sorry to wombat. i was simply joking.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with the above two.

What’s the deal today, fang?

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

today? what else has been out of line?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

Maybe not you. Everybody is grumpy today; I could be misremembering who made a couple of grouchy comments earlier.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

must have

that i just pulled all nighters type of humor

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm joking. said all in jest.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i figured you were

until people made it seem like you might be serious. not a problem.

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't think he was serious

it just wasn’t a funny joke. you’re better than that fang

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

awww, thanks.

bad joke. i’ll admit it.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm also just peeved because your sig is making it difficult for me to search my own comments

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh actually i could search IHeartBoog and select "match case"

i think that’s musial-y was saying.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think that will work for gibby45 who also has me in his sig

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

SUBJECT LINE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

-fang

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can't really tell if the glove is on him from that angle though

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it sure looks like it is

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wondered about that last night

but I’m sure that Furcal blocked the umps view enough to make that very hard to see.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the type of play that would never ever be called out

because he beat the throw to the bag, but that split second where his lead foot comes up and before his leg gets in there’s clearly nothing touching the base. Happens all the time.

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen it called once or twice

but, agreed, very, very rarely and only if the ump is on the side of the bag where he has an absolutely clear view. Furcal was just too far away to lean on Andrus and make him come off the base!

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i said this last night during the game

but no one else saw it i guess

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by sportsman on Oct 21, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, my comment about 99 mph fastball jason motte being pulled in favor of arthur rhodes...

got turned into a 150 comment subthread about hipsters.

ladies and gentlemen: viva el birdos

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

my opinion was that it was the wrong move, but the move isn't to blame for the loss

sometimes it just be’s like that. motte gave up a bloop and a legit single and the next three guys made outs

by prophetjohn on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

then i would agree with you.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how do you feel about gardening

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

it makes you a douchebag

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i produce large melons in my garden

while i doubt your mom does that, there’s a nice pair there anyway

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like the attempt a lot.

Can we work on streamlining it a bit, though? Little too long.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i'm having an off day

don’t mind me

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, no, don't just give up.

That’s one of the better rui’s mom jokes I’ve seen on here in forever. Just kind of clumsy on the second line. This thing can be a classic with just a little trimming.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

"i found a nice pair of melons in your mom's garden"

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nice. Much cleaner.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The St. Louis Cardinals have no baseball games scheduled today.

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the move probably decreased our odds of winning by like 2.5% at the time

Awesome.

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

not according

to danup…he posted the platoon stats in his article

que vep arguing

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do we not have a SP faster than Gerald Laird?

They should make Lohse do windsprints all winter. A SP that could be a legit pinch runner would be awesome.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Productivity units

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And isn't Jaime our pitcher-PR?

Lohse is our pitcher-PH (WHY DOES THIS EXIST)

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on a few times on base

I’d bet on Jackson. He seems to move very well on the basepaths.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, he's black

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to mention

the extra bone in his leg, but decided against it.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy the Greek is on line two

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lohse definitely has some mexican in him though

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Native American.

Like former track superstar Zack Morris!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm so excited! i'm so excited!

i’m soAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No bro, he's part Native American

He’s no good without a horse

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know who I fell real bad for? Indians

They get dogged openly, because everybody thinks they’re dead. These motherfuckers are not all dead, all right?

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by jd is legend on Oct 21, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know how bad the Indians have it?

I’ve never seen two indians.

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by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

two good ones anyway

they get traded away before they can collect a decent amount of them

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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaah, so he's an indian?

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feather, yeah

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

my daughter has a co-worker

from India. When they are talking about someone she doesn’t know and mention that the person is indian, she (the Indian co-worker) asks: “Do you mean Indian, woo-woo-woo, or Indian, dot?” the last accompanied by poking herself in the forehead.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet she makes white people uncomfortable everytime she does that

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by TomCat009 on Oct 21, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

my white friend who is married to an indian (dot) guy says that too

and thinks its hilarious when everyone gets uncomfortable

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite was on here....I can't remember who,

but it was casino or slurpee.

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by RiverRat on Oct 21, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

athletic

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arthur Rhodes would be a GREAT PR!

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you mean most athletic

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean

how do you eat a whole Bartolo Colon and go out and pitch the next day??

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

THAT explains it!

Jaime was already out of the game so we didn’t have our designated PPR. Plus, Tony was saving Lohse for a PH appearance later.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

we needed Lohse to play left field in the 18th inning.

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sylvester and Porky Pig

Looney Tunes is on right now where they stay at the hotel inhabited by homicidal mice. Did that cartoon scare anyone else as badly as it did me when they were little?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

My personal fave was when Foghorn Leghorn would raise Dog’s tail and beat his ass with a stick. Then Foghorn would run like hell.

Now, I say, now what what’s the big idea, boy!

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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was more terrified

by the episodes where bugs bunny was ultimately caught and/or beaten. something about the ultimate smartass eventually getting his comeuppance via an unmerciful beatdown really resonated with me for some reason.

also, episodes where elmer fudd was driven to the point of crying sucked too. that’s just not cool, bugs. don’t be a dick.

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 21, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Wayne...

Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played a girl bunny?

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have watched significantly too much Farscape today

thank you Yadi2Second, MayTheForschBeWithYou, and anyone else who participated in that thread that made me start watching it from the beginning again

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by tehzachatak on Oct 21, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish we were playing again tonight

would be able to get over last night much easier if i could watch the cards tear that park in arlington a new ass hole tonight…

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh
@jaysonst
Jayson Stark
No problem with getting Albert to talk today yfrog.com/nvse4oyj

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

jesus.

here’s thing thing: albert pujols is super competitive. he probably just flat out didn’t want to talk about last night’s loss. can’t say that i blame him.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Jon Morosi on the tweets is still riding him about last night

Sigh.

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

says who?!

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

convention?

thing is, yeah, he almost certainly didn’t want to talk about it. but his teammates are competitive people who didn’t want to talk about it either, and he increased the burden on them by taking off.

it’s not nearly as huge a deal as sportswriters make it, but it’s still a lame thing to do.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah its weak to leave like that

he’s getting paid a shit load of money, its part of his job to talk to the media. that said, this story bores me to death.

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
La Russa says Lance Berkman will DH in Game 3, and Allen Craig will be in right field.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

makes sense.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's what i want to see tomorrow night but won't

furcal
freese
pujols
holliday
craig, rf
berkman, dh
molina
punto/theriot

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

try that again...

furcal
freese
pujols
holliday
craig
berkman
molina
punto/theriot
jay

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did not understand all the talk

from Fox and the NLCS broadcasters about Holliday DHing. I mean, it’s his hand. It hurts more, I assume, when he grips the bat. Even if you forget about the fact that he’s hitting fine.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's pretty obvious that's what was going to happen

especially considering that the late game defensive replacements always were for berkman and never for holliday

by prophetjohn on Oct 21, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was lying (laying?) in bed last night and thought of a really good OT question for today...

and now i forget it. it’s a bummer.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

lying

if you had been laying, you would have known it

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he's doing it wrong?

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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR is answering questions in spanish

If only I knew what he was saying about having Berk and Craig in the line up

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 21, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew he spoke Spanish but I've never actually seen or heard him do it

I wonder what his accent sounds like.

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea that was the first

time ive heard him…kinda coool

since garcia made that start it was a little more special for the spanish media

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Pujols says

dgoold Derrick Goold
Pujols confirms what we were saying: he spied Kinsler’s wide turn and was going to throw behind him. Missed catch. #WorldSeries #STLcards

you be the judge-

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

man, that close to today’s conversation being about Albert the defensive wizard yet again…

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 21, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

holy shit…we fuckin had him

by guillermozeliak on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy shit he's dead in the water.

pujols catches that we win the game. instead, he tipped it, was charged an error, and we lose the game.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i almost hate having DVR

between this and the andrus out at second play i am driving myself crazy today

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn...

Probably keeps Andrus at first as well

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 6:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure about that...

I think there is a good chance Kinsler would have gotten in a rundown, I mean he was DEAD if Pujols caught it. Andrus could have made it all the way to third if he got in a rundown.

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn...

Probably keeps Andrus at first as well

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They still don't know who he is.
Craig Allen, who’s delivered two pinch-hit singles in Games 1 and 2, will become the DH.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Oct 21, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah! I momentarily forgot that we have a DH the next 3 games.

I predict some more Torty-inspired hitting.

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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

TortyAllen, his pet tortoise, will tweet about it.

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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 22, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

@Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
Rangers will play Young at DH in Game 3, Napoli at 1b, Torrealba at catcher.

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by TBender on Oct 21, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Man can't Young play in left or something

so Hamilton can DH? Isn’t running in the outfield just gonna eventually make Hamilton lay down on the ground and scream?

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTB says highest probability is rangers in 5

Must give a lot of credit for home field advantage

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 21, 2011 6:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What a bunch of horseshit.

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by peppermartin on Oct 21, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think the Crads are going to take two of the next three.

I don’t know, I just haven’t been impressed with the Rangers. I feel like the Cards are the better team. But, I guess I’ve just been watching different games than the media.

also, fuck you GOBs.

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by RiverRat on Oct 21, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find that hard to believe

The Rangers winning 3 straight games is the highest probability? You’d have to be assuming that they are 70% in each game to get >33%

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by joker24 on Oct 21, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh just read it

It might be, intuitively feels wrong though.

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by joker24 on Oct 21, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds about right to me

but I’m thinking it will actually be Rangers in 4.

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by scoot on Oct 21, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably the best thing i saw at the game last night

was a guy in the next section over wearing a Scrabble box on his head

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 21, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yee Haw

rec’d

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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

clanks sister.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 21, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

his reasoning is based on defense, largely.

But it falls apart IMO because he’s assuming moving Craig to 3B after Descalso’s first PA, and bringing Berk back in to play right. For a really smart guy, it’s pretty over-thought and kind of silly.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"For a really smart guy, it's pretty over-thought and kind of silly."

So in 30 years or so he’ll be second on the managerial wins list?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Oct 21, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

there we go!

slow-VEB took forever to pick up on that.

by Pegasus on Oct 21, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

DD is a lefty hitter with a .190/.277/.241/.518 line against lefties.
Puma against lefties has a .277/.348/.455/.803 line.
Giving up way too much at bat to gain DD’s leather.

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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 21, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus Harrison doesn't go deep into games

Berk will probably get 2 AB’s on him before were into their pen… At least I hope.

by Wombat x on Oct 21, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

So how good was Jaime last night? Damn. When Jaime is going that well he’s fun to watch. Granted, most pitchers are fun to watch when they’re on, but there’s something super exciting to me about a good Jaime Day.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 21, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup

When Jaime’s good, I feel like it goes something like this: “I am going to get every batter to ground out in no more than 3 pitches. When that doesn’t work I will just start striking out dudes.”

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

just as the team deserved to win the first game

they also deserved to lose yesterday’s game. can’t wait for Saturday night!!

do it for torty!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

gob this has been a weird day. wish there was a game tonight to refocus my energy on.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 21, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I have noticed something the last few games

Furcal is short. Like, really-short-for-a-professional-athlete short. But I don’t know if I’ve ever seen or heard anything about this. So I looked him up, and B-Ref lists him as 5’8". By conventional wisdom this means that his actual height is probably something like 5’6", because we all know that nobody tells the truth about both their height and weight unless they’re built like Matt Holliday.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Kind of bored

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have to finish spanish homework.

someone help me!

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

almost done!

spanish homework + natty = win

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is true.

i was headed towards a do-nothing night until i wasn’t.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

New SBNation app is out

With Z-ing!

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Cubs-Red Sox reached an agreement on Theo...

It is on… Let’s get 2011 out of the way so we can play these guys…

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by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Now you're not

I’ve had the tab open for while in case anybody else comments

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by mattybobo on Oct 21, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm here!

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for checking in guys

30 minutes of silence? this is unacceptable.

by hr on Oct 21, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

err 10 minutes

but it sure felt like 30. I’m…so…alone…

by hr on Oct 21, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello all and a good day to you, just finished watching the 30 for 30 movie

The Fab Five, and damn it was pretty darn good.
For todays baseball action, I’m just waiting for the Korean Baseball playoff series to start.
Have game 5 and the final game between the SK Wyverns and the Lotte Giants, the winner of todays game will play the 1st place Samsung Lions.
Damnit the Cards better seriously buckle down and get hot with runners in scoring position.
Gooooooo CARDS!!!!!

by Tuning in from Korea on Oct 21, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

does it feel unusual watching teams that are identified by their sponsors rather than geographical location?

It’s like saying the “Anheuser Bush Cardinals vs. Tom Hicks Rangers” (not really, but maybe you get the idea)

by hr on Oct 21, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drinking Old Fashioneds and watching In Bruges by myself, you guys

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by mysterui on Oct 21, 2011 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

watching dexter by myself

the end of the last episode is pretty fucked up!

do it for torty!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It did at first, but when I put it in my mind years ago like you just mentioned, I got over it, and

really have come to accept it. Kinda of like it now.
Japan baseball teams are the same.
But I believe most of the Football clubs go by geographical names, such as FC Seoul.

by Tuning in from Korea on Oct 21, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

HR

you are here.
what’s up?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 22, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

homework

due sat morning. it’s fun

by hr on Oct 22, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you serious?

you have homework due on the weekend?

as for me, i’m dealing with family stuff this weekend—it’s a long story that no one is probably that interested in, but basically my grandma’s having some pretty bad health issues (she’s also really old). so my dad flew out and we’ve been trying to sort it out together.

hoping for a cardinals’ win when my dad and i watch the game together tomorrow. that’d be a nice happy thing to balance out the suck.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 22, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am way too tired for this early on a Friday night

I may be in bed before midnight! bizzarro world

do it for torty!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 21, 2011 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

holy mother of gob

the hipster subthread was too much.

anyone around for sort-of late night veb?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 22, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn't see the "hipster" subthread

people love to have labels heh

do it for torty!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 22, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

how did you not see it?

it is seriously half of the comments here.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 22, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

shift + a

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 22, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ties.

they were discussing tie width, the fuckers (i say this affectionately).

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 22, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

affectionate is relative.

cradnal dominance is not. WE. WILL. DO. THIS. THING.

well, blimey.

by threadkiller on Oct 22, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Herro

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by mysterui on Oct 22, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

fuck the rangers

we will romp winning 3 straight in tx…leave ’em in the dust

i wanna see furcal, holliday, berkman, pujols, craig all tee off

huge mamoth shots off harrison that would leave any ballpark like petco park or center field of minute maid so there’s no excuses

and i want to see tons of bat flips

like these:

by guillermozeliak on Oct 22, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am getting aroused looking at what our lineup will be tomorrow

Furcal
Craig
Pujols
Holliday
Berkman
Freese
Molina
Theriot/Punto
Jay

by Wombat x on Oct 22, 2011 3:33 AM EDT reply actions  

It is a sexually exciting lineup

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 22, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Replace Jay with Rasmus and move him up a

Spot and thats even more sick. Just sayin.

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