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World Series Preview: Comparing the Rotations of the Rangers & Cardinals

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The offenses of the Rangers and Cardinals have received more attention than the clubs' starting rotations during these playoffs. This is understandable as the Cardinals led the National League in most major offensive categories and the Rangers were one of the top offenses in the American League. The sluggers that populate each club's lineups are All-Star caliber and well known. With names like Pujols, Hamilton, Berkman, Young, Berkman, and Beltre it is no wonder that the starting rotations have not received many beams from the media spotlight.

Star-divide

The Rangers finished 2011 with the third-lowest ERA in the American League behind only their AL West rivals, the Angels, and ALDS foes, the Rays. Along with posting the third-lowest ERA of .365, the Rangers also posted the league's third-lowest FIP of 3.80, just behind the Angels and White Sox. The Rangers' starting pitcher xFIP of 3.82 was the second-lowest in the league. All impressive numbers given the fact that they started so many games in the band box at Arlington.

The starters also take after their club president Nolan Ryan in the strikeout department. Their 7.22 K/9 led AL starting rotations while their collective 2.77 BB/9 was in the middle of the pack. The staff also ranked in the middle of the AL in GB rate at 43.1% while posting the second-lowest BABIP for an AL starting staff behind only the Rays.

The Rangers' starting pitchers' collective fWAR of 19.8 was second only to the Chicago White Sox.

The Cardinals on the other hand were much more pedestrian. Their starting rotation ERA of 3.81 ranked eighth out of the sixteen National League clubs. It was a number that betrayed their fielding-independent metrics. At 3.69, the Cardinals rotational FIP was fifth-best in the NL; their 3.76 xFIP was sixth-best.

Whereas the Rangers purportedly follow the Ryan Express model, the Cardinals have Master of the Sinker Dave Duncan leading their staff. It is not surprising that Duncan's democratic pitching philosophy led to a K/9 of 6.10 that tied for the third-lowest in the National League. Duncan's pitch-to-contact philosophy also possesses the tenant of pounding the strike zone. Hence the Cardinals 2.50 BB/9, third-lowest in the NL. Opponents managed a .301 BABIP against Cardinals starters, which is the second-highest in league. The groundballing duo of Westbrook and Garcia helped the Cardinals post the highest GB rate of any NL starting rotation at 49.5%.

The St. Louis starters combined for 13.1 total fWAR, which tied the Brewers for fifth in the National League.

Game 1 will featued a battle of aces, a squaring off of fWAR leaders: Chris Carpenter vs. C.J. Wilson. Carpenter put together a 5.0-fWAR season anchoring the Wainwright-less rotation, posting a 7.29 K/9 reminiscent of his peak seasons from the middle of the decade past as well as an impressive 2.09 BB/9. His 3.45 ERA is misleading as he pitched much better this season with a 3.06 FIP and 3.31 xFIP. With a 5.9-fWAR season, Wilson is an ace entering his peak. His K rate of 8.30 helped neutralize his 2.98 walk rate. His 49.8% helped him to be an effective pitcher in and out of his home stadium. Wednesday's could be the pitching duel that elluded fans during the LCS's.

In a series that will feature many a potent slugger, Game 1 may give us a pitching duel. Both Carpenter and Wilson are aces and have the ability to shut the opposition down. It will be intriguing to see whether either or both can manage to do so in the pitcher-friendly Busch Stadium on Wednesday.

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Hopefully, the Rangers will get WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO'D

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 17, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'll get ... wood? Is that like a woody?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 17, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s probably less people than those who thought the Tigers would win over the Cards in 2006. That’s why they play the games

Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Oct 17, 2011 6:44 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

YOU THINK TONY LA RUSSA WON'T COME UP WITH BULLETIN BOARD MATERIAL?

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes. This means a full ONE THIRD

believe our beloved Cardinals will win. That’s like 3 billion believers.

by hangingfromatree on Oct 17, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're all from China.

They, like me, are really hoping this China Cargo Hub project is approved.

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Oct 17, 2011 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ooooh, arkansas just turned blue.

and Kansas is on the edge…

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Oct 17, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question:

Why in the hell are the Cardinals blue and the Rangers red in that poll? They should be opposite of that.

by RabidBuffalo on Oct 18, 2011 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, for the longest time, I thought your avatar was Bill Gates.

I just yesterday realized it was Barton.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 17, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn it, reply fail.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 17, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was like

“bgh’s avatar is clearly stan musial”.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 17, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This from a guy who's got a weirdly proportioned guy waving the thinnest of flags.

Just kidding. I know it’s really a cardinal.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 17, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah well your avatar

looks like…um…three penguins.
dammit!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 17, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

GET OFF MY LAWN, HIPPITY-HOPPERS

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/sports/261850/brewers-asking-for-trouble

Increasingly, teams are wearying of the thug-life type “Beast” celebration carried on by Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Nyjer Morgan and Co. after even the smallest of accomplishments (like a broken-bat single in Game 5 of the NLCS).

Such activities go against 135 years of baseball tradition. And the annoyed traditionalists just aren’t having any of it.

They feel that kind of attitude belongs in gansgsta rap music videos and NOT at a baseball game.
And despite numerous on-field confrontations with irritated foes, the Brewer hippity-hoppers show no sign of quitting their obnoxious posturing.

by all4tookie on Oct 17, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Beast Mode

I found it quite silly after a single, especially a broken-bat single. But the stuff of gangsta rap music videos? First, do music videos even exist any longer? Secondly, does gangsta rap even exist any longer?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 17, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I wonder if the Brewers blackness has anything to do with this?

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nyjer is so hood

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 17, 2011 7:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The broken bat single thing I can agree with

If it was extra base hits or HRs or something, go for it, but man did they look like morons doing it after errors

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 17, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The good news is, we don't have to see it again until next season

and it pretty much was a no-show in Game 6

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 17, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta be careful with that "beast power" stuff

it might work for a while, but once the beast figures out what is going on, he’s gonna come on down to Miller park, and take his power back.

STARVE THE BEAAST I

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Oct 17, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute

since when did Thailand care about Brewers baseball?

by RabidBuffalo on Oct 18, 2011 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

very nice.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Oct 17, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

y'all ain't gonna believe this, no, seriously you ain't gonna believe this

THE CARDINALS ARE IN THE MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH WORLD SERIES

that is all

PS i’m hungry

PSS i’m also thursty

PSSS i’m also horny (TMF’INGIDUDE)

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 17, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

oh gdm

whatever shall we do with you

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 17, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

that started off like a redneck fairytale.

“y’all ain’t gonna believe this shit……”

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you did that wrong

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

this has Deliverance written all over it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another Rally Creature

So Torty and the Squirrel are okay, but today I realized that we have forgotten the first creature that left its mark on this season: The glorious ear moth. As you will recall, it entered the aural canal of Matt Holliday during a fateful late season series with the dodgers. No one knows for certain what gifts this creature bestowed upon our left fielder – Maybe Gandalfian wisdom, maybe a tiny mothish zombie bite – but after that series the cardinals began their triumphant comeback.

Let us never forget the Ear Moth. May we honor his sacrifice with four more victories.

by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Oct 17, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   5 recs

This

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 17, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

gandalfian wisdom?

you mean the kind of wisdom that can’t even figure out that “speak friend and enter” was a simple riddle? gandalf had a different kind of pipe weed in his pipe than humans and hobbits, i believe.

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 17, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

there again,

the stoner known as gandalf stood there with his thumb in his butt at the ledge instead of getting out of that God-forsaken place, and got ankle whipped into hell. i’m telling you, gandalf’s wisdom, pre white wizard phase, left a lot to be desired.

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 17, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

...

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 17, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gandalf chased that fucker for 8 days before killing it

8 days! He was the most powerful of the 5 wizards in ME!

/nerdrage

FIRE EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Oct 17, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

rereading it, threadkiller has the chronology wrong

he was on the ledge after he killed it, near death, not during the fight. the “ankle-whipping” came first.

did he just watch the movie or something?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

he didn't actually kill it at that point

he just got rid of it. But he seems like someone who’s only seen the movie.

FIRE EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Oct 17, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, I thought he smote it. had the conference call with Eru, then caught the Eagle express.

did I misread?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

Basically it fell into a lake and the fire went out and then Gandalf chased it for 8 days before killing it on top of a mountain. Then he had the conference call.

FIRE EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Oct 17, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's what I'm saying

threadkiller’s comment implies he got beat up during/after the conference call, because he didn’t have the sense to get out.

i think we may be in agreement

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he definitely smote its ruin upon the mountainside.

Real talk.

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Oct 17, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

read the books through 3 or 4 times a youth.

that’s been 20 or so years ago. i was simply making a point about something i’ve always felt about gandalf. i do love a good nerdy conversation, though. gotta love it. rec’s all around!

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 17, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, he was number two till he got the bleach job. technically.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Techinically,

but everyone knew he was better. He was just less vain than Saruman

FIRE EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Oct 17, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahem

in the Silmarillion, you find out that the Wizards and the Balrogs are of the same rank (Maiar, i.e. minor gods). So, Gandalf vs. the Balrog was a totally fair fight, except for the Eagles.

As for the riddle thing, they were deceived by the comma usage. (Also, I think they’re translating from a different language.)

/nerd

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I haven't read the Silmarillion in years

but this is true from what I remember

FIRE EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Oct 17, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a copout.

gandalf should have figured that out in short order; certainly before frodo. regardless of punctuation issues. shoot, we have to sort one another’s posts out on a daily basis, and nearly always come to the correct interpretation. and we aren’t even wizards. that’s always bothered me.

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 17, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep.

I’ve always been intrigued as to what happened to the two Blue wizards. All you ever got was a footnote saying that they had disappeared into the east fairly early on. Radaghast the Brown was the TLR of ME. He got tired of men and would rather play with animals.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It is what it is

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gandalf knows how to tell a moth to go get an Eagle to bust him out of wizard jail...

So, yes, I think he can tell a moth to suggest to the Cardinals a more patient hitting approach and better bullpen use.

by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Oct 17, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

gandalf is the edwin jackson of lotr.

most of the time, he’s a good deal. but every few starts, ZOMGCLUSTERTIME.

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 17, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

he better f'n not get a horse.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need an edit button to indicate

thread SPOILERS.

oh well.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like the Babelfish.

It entered Holliday’s massive noggin and began eating sound waves and excreting pitch selection skills…for the whole offense.

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Oct 17, 2011 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what a team player.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 17, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is what it is.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 17, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bringing back some not so great memories.

Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.

by CapsFan75 on Oct 17, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope to god they do this too.

we need all the relievers we can get against this team. its hard to expect lohse or ejax to go deep into a game in arlington. if we can get them through 4 innings with 3 runs or something that has to be considered a win

by Wombat x on Oct 17, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Cards do better as underdogs — and that’s been true for most of their history.

Exhibit A: 1964 edition

Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.

by CapsFan75 on Oct 17, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I come with many negative comments. sorry.

Nolan Ryan calls it for the Rangers in six. True story.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

also, from FESPN
Ryan has a knack for predicting Rangers wins. He set the goal of 92 wins in 2010, and the club got to 90 wins. He said 90 to 95 wins in 2011, and the Rangers set a club record with 96 wins.

… am I missing something here, or was Ryan actually wrong, both times?

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 17, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

trivial details...

you would never make it in Bristol.

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard that on the radio today

that’s hardly a knack….if he was totally right both years, then maybe

by saladdays on Oct 17, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he predicted the Rangers would win the 2010 World Series

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 18, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was sitting on that fanshot for days before deciding to post it after the clinch.

Now these rumblings about Carp’s elbow?

Why, why can’t I take my own fucking advice…

It’s not like being the innings-leader in the league would do anything, right? I mean, even if the report’s not true…

So to be clear: this time around, Carp has stated that if it goes, it goes. Like, that’s it, no more tamales in the basket. Is that correct?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

more negative WTF

seat-gate apparently still a thing
Mrs. Greinke tweeted this about her seats. one of the blogs took a screenshot with her head shot

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

mrs. greinke is surprisingly attractive

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club

In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 17, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

pageant queen, Cowboys cheerleader, Burger King commercial, etc.

don’t let the “I was working in the library and he kept skipping lunch to do his homework” bit skew the view

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey guess what Brewers lost so I don't give a shit!

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahahahahah

I’ve been lukewarm about our FO for awhile, but this—if true—could only make me like them more.

You get to go a game that thousands and thousands of people spend hard-earned money to go to, while others who would love to go simply can’t afford it. In other words, shut up bitch.

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Oct 17, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, boo fucking hoo

why do other teams call the cardinals whiny when these guys complain about how their seats are 100 feet from where they usually are

Sig WIP

by hr on Oct 17, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

AP reports that Rangers don't know us

I’m not sure about that, I wouldn’t underestimate their scouts (who were present in Milwaukee)

per the AP:

Since there is no designated hitter for Games 1 and 2 in St. Louis, and Games 6 and 7 if the series extends that long, several pitchers took some batting practice Monday. Among them were Wilson, Lewis and Holland, along with Alexi Ogando and Scott Feldman, both past starters who are relievers this postseason. Harrison, the likely No. 4 starter whose lone start would be in Texas, wasn’t scheduled to take BP.

however, I think we have a secret weapon: can’t we just ask Arthur Rhodes?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

speaking of old pitchers

I mean, I knew this
but seeing the year is crazy

Rangers lefty Darren Oliver played for the Cardinals in 1999.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes got the "Jamie Moyer, He was a former Cardinal?" syndrome

i barely even remember Oliver as a Cardinal

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 17, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember him as

not very good

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

I remember him coming in and me thinking “we don’t have anybody else?”.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember him as a former Cardinal

when he was pitching for the Rockies in ’03.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 18, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

why is it a foregone conclusion that he's leaving milwaukee?

not in direct response to your post, just curious. i mean, are the brewers not even going to try? did he say he wants to leave?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club

In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 17, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boras, and what Milwaukee can afford.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's even bothered to humor the fans/media with the idea of returning

Unless Boras is seriously misreading the market, I doubt he ends up back in Milwaukee.

by bailorg on Oct 17, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he'll be our plan B...

if Arte Moreno loses his mind and signs Pujols to 8/250 and there’s no one willing to go more than 6/120 for Fielder, I could see it.

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we lose Albert, I would love if that happened.

However, I’m pretty convinced Albert will stay. We’ll see!

by a fink on Oct 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, could happen.

His body scares the hell out of me on a long term deal, though.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who do you like...

Fielder at 6 years or Pujols at 8 given the same AAV?

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They both make me cringe.

Fielder is younger, so I guess he makes me cringe slightly less.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 17, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, could happen.

His body scares the hell out of me on a long term deal, though.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 17, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure what the deal is, but SBN is actually behaving for me

also, HFS animation cels to make me thankful I don’t have money to blow

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa

He played in all 162 of Milwaukee’s game

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really sad, but bizarre in the jar of coincidental narrative

the Braves collapse coincided with the Hurricane Irene evacuations (and those game cancellations). they’re still talking about it.
excuses, but throw in a random staph infection and it’s like a moth flying in someone’s ear tales-of-the-weird-ish

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

@BJRains B.J. Rains
All World Series games start at 7:05 p.m. CT and will be televised by FOX 2 in St. Louis.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 17, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

oh they finally deign to give us a time

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh i was hoping for 7:30

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 17, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

please be the latter

i’m gonna have to come to work at like 6am so i can leave on time

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 17, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you were a real fan you would have scheduled your vacation around the WS

but no, you gave up & now you have to get up at the butt crack of dawn. i hope you’re happy.

(if’n you can’t tell i’m not 6 i’m going to cry)

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, check out bgh with the onedaytwoposts action.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

We have some breaking news...

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 17, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

via @cantpredictball...fill in the blank
_________________ hit 47 doubles this year, good for second in the Majors, and only one behind leader Miguel Cabrera.

by all4tookie on Oct 17, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

I actually guessed the number 3 guy. I was stunned by the real answer.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 17, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's great.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 17, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are alot of Royals at the top.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 17, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

.....Woah

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 17, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, fine, I have two wishes for the Series

to see the Rangers pitchers attempt to bat
and for our starting rotation to show up and last, FFS

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Monday Night Handegg!

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 17, 2011 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

remember that one time we went on

a ridiculous run and made the playoffs. Then we beat the best team in the league. Then we beat the best team in our division and our top nemesis of the year to make it to the world series. The was a awesome.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 17, 2011 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

does anyone else feel relieved that we did in fact beat Milwaukee?

since they open on the road in Milwaukee next year?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

can you f'n imagine the Cards having to stand there for any kind of banner-raising ceremony?

it would probably have a cartoon character, too.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Instead of a pennant,

they’d have streamers and balloons.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 17, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

they do have some kind of stick-on thing on their wall

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will always rec this.

Waino comin’ might be better, though.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Oct 17, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i suppose that sounds better.

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 17, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

apropos of this

it strikes me that my favorite Omarism—“you come at the king, you better not miss”—applies nicely to the Cards-Brewers dynamic this year.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 17, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

BEST not miss.

COME ON!

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Oct 17, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm actually quite disappointed in myself for screwing that up

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 17, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

my girlfriend actually met the actor who played him once

I’ll ask her if she has a relic I can kiss to obtain absolution

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 17, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

if she does

you probably don’t want to know about it

TORTY! TORTY! TORTY! - Everyone

by YesWeOquendo on Oct 17, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's sick

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The King...stay the King

understand, Brewers?

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Oct 17, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, is that an actual ballpark?

I thought it was a circus tent

is that the Cards’ job now?

You! Have a new ballpark! We! Have a venerable team with lots of history! You! Need butts in your brand new seats! Well, give us a call, just a pop fly away from the Arch. We’ll open your ballpark so you don’t have to!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 17, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

LoMoGoHoRo?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 17, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's another one for the narrative.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I grew up in the 70s

I’ve been to Graceland.

And I find that unbelievably tacky

by DiscoJer on Oct 17, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

words fail

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

I wouldve been devastated if they lost a playoff game where a cartoonish beast threw out the first pitch. Besides that, with all the foolish beast mode and TPlush shit, I think its great that the Cards did it on their field, and did so in such a convincing fashion.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 17, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just going to post this...

when I went to look up who was second in doubles.

This closes the book on the utility of br defensive war.

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

FG's UZR/150 has him @ +18.1

Brendan Ryan’s UZR/150 this year is +9.2, FWIW.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow...

must’ve had a lot of balls hit right at him…

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

please tell me it wasn't us

because I will lose all faith in defensive statistics

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

individual, not team

but consider your faith lost anyway

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

does not compute

Abort (A), Retry®, Fail (F)?

by all4tookie on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 17, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here ya go.

Check out 2009 NL’s leader too!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 17, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

tied for best in the NL

we should probably trade for him

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 17, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually not surprised

Because it’s a huge part of both their total value. Not that they didn’t both have awesome years.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 17, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit there is no way that's not an error of some sort

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

strauss strikes again

@JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
Serious pitching intrigue accompanying Cards into World Series. More up later at @stltoday.

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

It's the Carp thing.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just biding time before the serious panic sets in.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

At at "my fingers are in my ears" mode right now.

Plus, I think I’m getting sick, so I don’t have as much energy to freak out over it.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

nonstory, right? tell me it's a nonstory.

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 17, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok SBN, now you're creeping me out.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg noooo

now i’m getting sbn’d nonstop

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

is that the Terminator eye?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAL 9000

Homicidal computer from 2001 A Space Odyssey

by madridbend on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh shit, can't believe I missed that.

Guess I need to start watching more Sci-fi again.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

but seriously, Leach says it's a nonstory

but that’s what they told him……………

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if La Russa goes the full La Russa...

and announces a 14 man pen with no starters. It would be the crowning acheivement of his career.

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rzepczynski will start at 2nd base

and be swapped Herzog-style with the starter every time Hamilton bats. Except, of course, when Garcia starts, and then Lynn will play 2nd base and be brought in to face Cruz.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 17, 2011 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

never change, Strauss

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Oct 17, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's get serious.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you guys still want to trade freese?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 17, 2011 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Most/all GMs are not going to let one series blind them to the fact...

that he has to take every third game off and he only hit 10 home runs in 100 games.

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

this isn't your point

but i suspect he will have more power next season. dude broke his hand this season

by prophetjohn on Oct 17, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true...

anything is possible, but you have to find someone who has a need, and who has something we want, etc… It’d be a tough nut, plus the quantity of oppo field HRs has carved out a special place in his boss’s heart for him.

Matty Carp is deadline trade fodder in 2012.

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: Freese's power

we kept wondering where the homers were all season.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In theory it would make sense...

he’ll probably never have more value, but the team doesn’t have any obvious holes aside from second base.

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox to second!!!!

M-Carp to second!!!!

CRAIG TO SECOND!!!!

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 17, 2011 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shortstop

would seem to be an obvious hole. I have come to like Furcal, but a $12M optiion for 2012 ? Needs to be some flexibility on the part of the player if he is to return.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 18, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Free agent options

don’t look good. Reyes – expensive. Renteria – decrepit. Rollins – overrated and expensive ? Betancourt – no thanks. Punto – ceiling may be utility. Izturis – been there, done that. Jack Wilson – stick a fork in him. Alex Gonzalez – OPS declined 100 points in 2011 from 2010.

$4.5M with makeable incentives to $6M sounds good. Shall we shake on it ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 18, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm down

i’m sure furcal will agree, so no need to ask him

by prophetjohn on Oct 18, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same with Mo

Shall we do Albert’s contract now ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 18, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

no

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, not really

unless the return is too good to turn down. I’m not sold on Little Carp just yet.

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Oct 17, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was would rock

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 17, 2011 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

as long as he throws lefthanded

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know he's throwing sessions

i just don’t want to risk it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is zero risk in throwing out a ceremonial first pitch

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 17, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

you people really can't go with a joke, can you?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give up....

/bangs head against the wall

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

who's that?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

decides to stay in to start game 1.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 18, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope it is Michelle Obama!

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Oct 18, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

watching game 1 1968 world series on dvd.

man, it would be nice having 1968 bob gibson starting for us on wednesday night. curt gowdy and harry caray announcing. shoot, i’ve even seen an interview with ol’ blue eyes who was in attendance that day. we can blame him for the outcome of the series, as he picked the cards in 5 games.

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 17, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

watched it sunday morning...

…in an effort to “evoke the spirit of cardinal dominance” (which also included watching Game 7 of ’82 and Game 7 of NLCS ’04 that day). the fact that he threw SO #15, 16 and 17 in the NINTH inning was other-worldly. the best surprise was seeing the sign in the outfield that said “go go el birdos!”

by westsidecards on Oct 18, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

more bad news

reports around the blogworld suggest that the NL Champ shirts look like Ryan Braun designed them.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

wtf?

I guess I haven’t gotten a good look at them yet

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's the faint stuff lurking around the logo.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean, it's far more subdued than the real thing

but one can see a bit of stylistic influence

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw it once you said that.

I haz a sad.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least CJ Wilson is not a soft tossing lefty

He is a lefty who has legitimate stuff, so we’ll be fine.

Cardinals fan from Korea

by FreeRedbird on Oct 17, 2011 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

moar disrespect helping us along

I love this narrative.

it is confirmed from multiple sources that some fans in Philadelphia threw a stuffed squirrel at the bullpen, in traditional Philadelphia style. Dotel picked it up and now it is their good-luck charm. and famous, too.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha so that's where it came from

i crack up everytime i see him holding that thing

by Wombat x on Oct 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fact that it apparently came from a Philly fan is great

it’s like a trophy. Spoils of war.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope he washed it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's had a couple champagne baths by now, it should be fine

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

alcohol cures anything

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

except alcoholism

and even then, it’s debatable

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 17, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

but do you really know if you don't realize that you are?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

he knows he's chalk

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude can have a party in an empty room

he’ll never be lonely with all those extra personalities.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cody is a one-man band.

Also, a tambourine man and possibly a mortician.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 18, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe and organ-grinder with a monkey?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

an*

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyone live in st. louis city

I think I heard fireworks, any idea what that might be?

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 17, 2011 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

...duck?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

too loud to be gun shots (I think)

sounded like fireworks when the cards win

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 17, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

I’m more of a roman candle guy after a solid lay…but good for him.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 17, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like to sleep.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, as you know, VEB will not properly advise you on when to call 911.

but seriously, out in the burbs I heard a lot of random fireworks going on. people are just happy, for some reason…

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it wasn't gunfire (I think)

I was just curious if I was missing out on some event…

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've lived in missouri for 3 years now

it still weird hearing random fireworks on any given day…coming from Illinois, “The No Fun State”, where fireworks are illegal

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

People just randomly shoot off fireworks in my neighborhood, too. I’m from Missouri and I still find it strange.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Oct 17, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean Illinois doesn't have a single

Fireworks, Candy and Puppy Dog Store? Bummer.

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by mattyp on Oct 17, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still worth it

the midwest is the land of corgis, which makes me miss it. I’ve seriously seen like two corgis in the entire northeast.

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by mattyp on Oct 17, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

automatic weapons?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 17, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in soulard

the gangs here are frat boys, jocks, drunks, old people, and really hot chicks.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 17, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Crocked and the Bros?

(honestly, I should probably be medicated right now)

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to be the door man at mike and mins...

back in the mid-1990s. Things must have changed around there since then. I heard the old blues joint turned into a taco restaurant. effin shame…

by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's pretty sweet during the day

but gets really douchey at night at the popular spots. But seriously, the chicks are ridiculously hot.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 17, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

SNIPERS

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think being the VP's spouse is the nation's best job

nobody expects you to well, do anything, but anytime you get interested in something you can tour it in a vaguely ceremonial fashion.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 17, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That job description

is not entire dissimilar from, um, being the Vice President.

(obviously the job varies administration by administration, and this is politically neutral… but just sayin’)

by Pegasus on Oct 17, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i will burn something down if they take one second away from Stan

politics have no business being anywhere near sports. politics ruin everything, i’m so sick of them

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

FOUND IT!

the 10 year old David Freese question
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19918461&topic_id=25502556&c_id=mlb

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

booger

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rangers will be the last team to have not played at Busch

first ever trip to STL

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 17, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

theyve only played at Busch II correct?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 18, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

correct

Cards took 2 of 3 in June of 03. The game that the Os won was Ponson.

And we swept them in Baltimore earlier this year. That’s the only time StL has played them other than the postseason.

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by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

....as for the postseason

the Cards beat the Browns in 44 WS and that’s pretty much it. Cards have never faced Baltimore in the WS.

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by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Texas, Baltimore, both Sox, and the Yanks have not been to Busch III

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

3.94 for both

if I’m reading it right. fangraphs→leaders→league→pitching

get some runs

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 17, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So each year, league average FIP, xFIP

And ERA are always the exact same?

by mick311 on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yes

FIP and xFIP are intentionally scaled so that league average is the same as ERA. same with SIERA, tERA, etc

without the adjustment, your league average FIP would be some number that doesn’t make any sense to most people. it just makes it more readable. it’s the same logic behind scaling wOBA to OBP

by prophetjohn on Oct 18, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if this was posted yet, but Nolan Ryan predicted the Rangers would win in 6

Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."

by cj2k on Oct 17, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Rangers in 3!?!

why that no good son of a gun…

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by mattyp on Oct 17, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
Strong indication that Jake Westbrook will be restored to Cards roster. #stlcards

by Wombat x on Oct 17, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

can anybody give me one good fucking reason we don't get Sanchez?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless he reinjured it

he looked good the one time that he got to pitch

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

not much of a stretch to think Sanchez' shoulder is still not right

we beat Milwaukee without Sanchez, we can get by without him….the rotation is the glaring problem right now.

FWIW Westbrook might not be the worst choice as a reliever in Texas, since he gets so many grounders….I mean, I don’t really want to see WB at all, but if it turns out Carp is actually hurt….yikes.

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by nota bene on Oct 17, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

he might not be right

But you’d think we’d hear something about it.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

teams playing close to the vest about health issues in the postseason is not unique to the Cardinals….

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by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose so.

probably never know

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep, thats the guy i want

from what i have heard he can now pitch in back to back days as well. maybe westbrook in kmac out, sanchez in boggs out.

by Wombat x on Oct 17, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yay, i get to say this again!

Fuck TLR

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

and serious answer:

Because Sanchez gives us something that we already have: a power RH one-inning arm. Westbrook gives us something that it’s possible we’d need: a long man to soak up innings in a blowout loss.

Am I convinced by that reasoning, no. But I do think Sanchez is just a little superfluous in the current pen.

by Pegasus on Oct 17, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably correct, I just happen to think that you can never have too many RPs

that can miss bats.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 17, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's why i agree with you.

should always just go with the best arms. i mean, in a game where we’re getting killed, sanchez can throw four terrible innings and be unavailable the next day just as well as westy can.

by Pegasus on Oct 18, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually, we've got Boggs for that. IMO

I’d save Sanchez for serious shit.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I wish we could've gotten reifer up here this year.

That would’ve been one seriously cheap, badass bullpen

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

on the radio today chris ducan was basically campaigning for westbrook to start

a game in texas over edwin because of the flyball/groundball thing. do not want

by Wombat x on Oct 18, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's fine as long as that's what he does

but as soon as he starts elevating pitches, it’s going to be a HR derby.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

w/ WB

it’d be the walks that I’d worry about. WB puts guys on base all the time, especially if (perish the thought) the ump isn’t giving him low strikes.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

texas doesn't walk much, or strikeout for that matter

they swing early and often. but my concern with WB is he is hittable as can be and would just get knocked all over the park. EJax has better stuff, the groundball/flyball thing sounds great on paper but it doesn’t just automatically work that way

by Wombat x on Oct 18, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jax has better stuff

but he really looked like shit last night. I’m not sure I really trust him or WB (or Lohse, for that matter) at the moment.

Garcia is due for a strong outing, I think. Especially if he gets to go at home twice.

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by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think WB in arlington is a bad idea.

The Rangers as a team murder Jackson FWIW. Honestly I dont want to see Jackson pitch an away game and I dont want to see Lohse pitch at all. If Garcia didnt suck on the road the best thing would be to pitch Jackson game 2 and Garica game 3.

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by Stash Musial on Oct 18, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't so much worry about the walks, UNLESS he's not getting the low strikes.

if he’s getting the low strike, that means there’s going to be a shit ton of GBs. But i really don’t want to see him at all.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not yet convinced by Sanchez in big spots.

Electric stuff, but his control has been a thing now and then. I know this isn’t sophisticated thinking on my part — boils down to “I don’t trust a rookie” — but between Lynn, Dotel, Salas, and Motte, most of the serious stuff is covered.

And yeah, I’m sure I’ll be the first one jumping up and screaming “where was Sanchez???” if it ever comes up.

by Pegasus on Oct 18, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

too true on the control

but when he’s got it working, it’s like a fucking video game.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

id take sanchez ahead of boggs for sure

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by Stash Musial on Oct 18, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think another 1 inning RH arm that can miss a bat would be valuable too

If Tony keeps his starters on the short leash (which I think he has to with this lineup) you need as many guys as you can get. Wesbtrook would just come in and get crushed most likely.

by Wombat x on Oct 18, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

now that would be fucking great

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

might as well since Jackson & Bubbles will get lit up like christmas trees

the only chance the Cards have is if Carp & Garcia win two games each, other wise we’re hosed

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry, did y'all not just see what the brew crew did to them?

what do you really think will happen to them in Arlington?

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

and they will be throwing holland/lewis and harrison

lohse and jackson can throw 5 innings and give up 4 runs or something. its not like you need them to throw a shutout

by Wombat x on Oct 18, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

i mean

we managed to win the damn pennant without getting a quality start

by prophetjohn on Oct 18, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's a big IF. they couldn't do that vs the brew crew

it’s going to be really, really hard to do that in Arlington, the Rangers are the highest scoring team in the bigs, they eat 4&5 starters for lunch.and TLR can’t burn out the pen vs the Rangers like he just did in milwaukee. can it be done? yes it can. both Bubbles & Jackson can go 5-7 innings & give less than 5 runs. but i don’t think they will, not s the Rangers at home.

all i’m saying is the Cards only need to win 4 games & i really think Carp & Garcia give them the best chance to win those 4

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

if that is what you said then fair enough but its not

the only chance the Cards have is if Carp & Garcia win two games each, other wise we’re hosed

by Wombat x on Oct 18, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

...
all i’m saying is the Cards only need to win 4 games & i really think Carp & Garcia give them the best chance to win those 4

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

considering we were 2-1 in their starts “automatic losses” is a good way to describe them.

by Wombat x on Oct 18, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rangers as a team vs Jackson

40-125 4HR 14BB 21K

Beltre 6-14
Cruz 5-17
Kinsler 6-18 2 HR
Napoli 1-9
Hamilton 1-6 1HR
Murphy 4-8 1HR
Young 6-22

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by Stash Musial on Oct 18, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Latest from Strauss:
Despite what you may read later on, plenty of concern existed about Carp’s fitness (elbow) for possible NLCS Game 7.

by lawman3842 on Oct 18, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

"existed"?

ambiguous past tense, super helpful there. fucking strauss… can’t help himself

by Pegasus on Oct 18, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm wanting to break Strauss' fingers at this point.

Fucker’s like a vampire, he can just suck the life out of you with his bullshit. May be true, but i think he gets his rocks off on it.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then he says
To restate, issue showed improvement today.

by lawman3842 on Oct 18, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goold, from today
The righthander has received treatment for soreness in his right elbow, a source familiar with the situation said. Carpenter said he felt fine and that the added workload of October wasn’t wearing on him.

When asked about the elbow, he said, “It’s nothing; I’m all good.”

La Russa rejected the description of Carpenter as “sore.”

I don’t even know. Maybe it’s all Tony spreading deliberate misinformation to fuck with Ron Washington’s head.

I mean, did he look like he was nursing an elbow injury in his start vs. MIL? WTF kind of elbow problem “shows improvement” in 4 days?

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by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had very poor command, by his standards

Hopin it wasn’t because of the elbow

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 18, 2011 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

article at the mothership said it was more triceps related

here

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I should say, a club source said it was triceps related.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

this was sort of interesting, in hindsight
On the surface the Cardinals pitching seems to be inferior to the Brewers. Which it is, but maybe but not by as much as one would think. Looking at total WAR the Brewers are much better. But by FIP the Cardinals are 7th in the NL to the Brewers 4th (3rd/6th by xFIP). As an interesting aside, the Brewers’ BABIP is exactly the same as the Braves at .288. The Brewers HR/FB and GB% are nearly identical to the Cardinals by the way. The main difference however is the amount of strikeouts (the Cards are just not good at striking people out this year as a whole).

Even more interesting is that the Cardinals starters’ FIP is basically the same as the Brewers’ much vaunted starting corps. Using fangraphs.com splits, it is even more dramatic when looking at Sept/Oct… the Cardinals have the #1 FIP even while sustaining the third highest BABIP against (only the Braves and Pirates were more “unlucky”). The Brewers however have had 4.20 FIP in Sept/Oct while having a pretty normal BABIP compared to the Cards’.

do it for torty!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 18, 2011 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way, the team being incapable of losing on getaway days is encouraging.

That’s Garcia’s game 2 and Carp’s game 5 right there, in the bag. Just have to go 2-3 in the other games. BASEBALL, ANALYZED.

by Pegasus on Oct 18, 2011 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

alright, there's waaaaayyy to many new people around lately

so all you newbies check in & give me your story so i know who you are

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

silly judy, you're not new

but for reals tho, maybe i’ll make a fan shot or something where the newbies can sign in & tell their story. i’ve seen like 100 names lately & i have no clue who they are

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i have not seen that movie in forever

come to think of it i don’t think i’ve seen the entire thing

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

how the hell do you call yourself an American?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd never even heard of it

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by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can't be serious.

If you’ve never seen The Jerk, then you’re next cinematic assignment is to go and watch it.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

the jerk

this should get you started.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was 2 minutes and 44 seconds that I'll never get back

But then again, I can’t say I’ve ever found Steve Martin particularly funny. He’s ok at times, but wow that clip did nothing for me.

by bailorg on Oct 18, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's put it this way, I had to google the word "shinola"

I had never heard of it or the phrase on which the joke was based on before.

by bailorg on Oct 18, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

My name

is Indigo Montoya

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Oct 18, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

You make me so blue

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by the iguana on Oct 18, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am the squirrel whisperer

squirrel sightings on game days began with Game 2 and have equated to 4 wins. sadly, for Game 4, none were present, and we lost. on wins, # of squirrels sighted has directly correlated to # of runs or hits; with the exception of sunday. 22 squirrel sightings resulted in only 21 hits. one of them must have been a poser.

by westsidecards on Oct 18, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

so it seems just about every media outlet picking against the cards

i can’t say I’m excited to play the rangers and the starting pitching will have to be much better.

Not sure where Westy will fit on the roster? maybe backup in case someone explodes…

I hope it goes at least 6 or 7..already have rangers fans talkin smack

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Oct 18, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

WB is almost certainly replacing KMac

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

My $70 VX Revolution just went out on me after 5 loyal years

Good night sweet prince

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 18, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

i'm sorry

that’s a great mouse

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 18, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

free weird music from my band

http://island1.bandcamp.com/album/ep1-portals sort of a cross between tortoise, 70s miles davis, brian eno, king crimson, and pink floyd

do it for torty!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 18, 2011 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn't it have been easier

to name the bands that your band is not a cross of?

by saladdays on Oct 18, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh snap

i just realized endy chavez is on that rangers team

by prophetjohn on Oct 18, 2011 1:08 AM EDT reply actions  

quick, we gotta sign rolen

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

never fear

Yadi will just hit it over his head

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay, so does it bother anyone else that the World Series is almost a non-story?

I normally don’t even pay attention to the media but outside of St. Louis (and I’m assuming Texas) you would think the World Series isn’t even happening.

It’s Story #2 on SI.com and they don’t even have predictions or much analysis up yet. ESPN has a few things, but most of it is video. It’s also story #2 right there tonight. A lot of the more baseball-centric sites I follow (like Baseball Think Factory) don’t have basically any articles up.

It was buried in the bottom of page 1 of the Sports section here in Portland (which I more or less expected anyway, but still…).

It’s quite odd.

by mattisnotfrench on Oct 18, 2011 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

a lot of fanbases can go fuck themselves

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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

verily

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

11 in 11

I’d settle for that

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 18, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree, i'm so happy those haters can go stuff their sour milk in a sack

don’t harsh our buzz just because you’re bitter & jealous

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I look at it more like....

nobody hates the Pirates.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 18, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

That’s really one of the amazing things about the modern world. Somehow despite more and more information pipelines being available to people, it seems like the coverage is less than when there were only a few broadcast channels…

Hundreds of channels on cable/sat. Yet 90% are crap and there’s basically 1 sports channel – ESPN, which only covers the East Coast.

And no one can be bothered to carry the playoff games for the less popular teams.

The internet is somewhat better, but most places are based on the coasts

by DiscoJer on Oct 18, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

but the Red Sox drank rally beers!

DURING THE GAME! They also ate chicken! Not grilled or blackened. Oh no, they ate FRIED chicken! Also, Tim Tebow is going to start another game! And Tony Romo is still playing! Seriously, two coaches shook hands in an intense manner! Who can focus on the World Series, when there is Chicken Gate and Handshake Gate to talk about? Personally, as a Cardinals fan, I am glad that the World Series can’t make it into the first half hour of Sportscenter. I’d much rather learn all about a post-game handshake.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 18, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

so i guess this is what strauss has been pimping

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_c30d2bfd-c5dc-5b8c-a445-32e4fbc85adc.html

there is basically nothing in this article. the only new info is that carp supposedly had inflammation in his elbow, which is relatively common for pitchers.

by Wombat x on Oct 18, 2011 3:27 AM EDT reply actions  

no barkin' from the dog

no smog, and mama make the breakfast with no hog

Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President

by peppermartin on Oct 18, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hypothetical...

If the Cards win the WS (or Rangers) and TLR (or Washington) retires, who manages the All Star Game.

Does the new manager of the LCS team manage?

by DisplacedCardsFan on Oct 18, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

In 1981, Bob Lemon managed the Yankees to the World Series, but was fired before the '82 All Star Game.

Billy Martin, the manager of the A’s, who were the runners up in 1981 was named the AL’s manager. Guessing from what it says here, they would have Roenicke/Leyland manage their respective league’s team.

"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"

by KlausChadman on Oct 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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