In Which the Bullpen is Awesome
by azruavatar on Oct 16, 2011 10:13 AM EDT
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tom s. wrote yesterday about the struggles of the opposing pitchers. The Cardinals offense has shown up and done their part. Albert Pujols has managed to get hot at an appropriate time and carry the team through games. Matt Holliday and Yadier Molina were the offense leaders in game 5 of the NLCS. David Freese made a name for himself nationally when the Cardinals topped the Phillies.
While the offense has been important, that misses the larger narrative that is going to result from the NLCS. The only reason that the bullpen narrative hasn't already taken hold is because of the massive overhaul that the Cardinals were forced to conduct midseason. Dumping Ryan Franklin, Miguel Batista, Trevor Miller and Brian Tallet for Octavio Dotel, Lance Lynn, Arthur Rhodes and Marc Rzepczynski is an easier story to digest if you've followed the team all year than if you've just tuned in. In some ways though, it mirrors the 2006 Cardinals where the bullpen anchored by an unheralded Adam Wainwright played an outsized role in the playoffs.
The local media has begun with a string of articles all relating to the success of the pen. Joe Strauss writes about Edwin Jackson, today's starter, with the following quote from Jackson (emphasis mine):
"As a starter, everyone wants to go out and go as deep as you can. Fortunately, we've had luck with our bullpen coming in and getting the job done when the starters haven't been able to go deeper into games," he said. "That's always a good problem to have."
Derrick Goold has a lengthy article chronicling Rzepczynski's process of learning to deal with the pressure of the playoffs:
The Cardinals are one win away from the NL pennant because of a nimble and stingy bullpen that has thrown 21 2/3 innings in five games and short-circuited the middle of the Brewers' lineup. The bullpen may not be eligible for the series MVP award given to an individual, but it has influenced who could. No. 3 hitter Ryan Braun is one for eight against Cardinals relievers, and cleanup hitter Fielder is one for five against the bullpen. Two of those outs have come missing Rzepczynski's slider.
Even Bernie touches on the bullpen's prowess in his article, which is full of too much team chemistry and intangibles for me to quote with a straight face this time.
Particularly after the Game 1 mess with Jaime Garcia, Tony La Russa has not hesitated to pull his starter at the first sign of trouble. It's impossible to prove whether pulling Jaime Garcia as Ryan Braun approached the plate would have ended better than reality but it's hard to imagine how it could have gone worse than the 6 run inning that followed. That inning, and the Cardinals capacity to win that game, evaporated quickly as Jaime Garcia allowed a home run to Prince Fielder immediately after Braun's ground rule double.
Since then, the Cardinals bullpen has taken on an oversized role in the series.
| Game 1 | IP | R | K | BB | HR |
| Jaime Garcia | 4.0 | 6 | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| Bullpen | 4.0 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 |
| Game 2 | IP | R | K | BB | HR |
| Edwin Jackson | 4.1 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 |
| Bullpen | 4.2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| Game 3 | IP | R | K | BB | HR |
| Chris Carpenter | 5.0 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 |
| Bullpen | 4.0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 |
| Game 4 | IP | R | K | BB | HR |
| Kyle Lohse | 4.1 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 |
| Bullpen | 4.2 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 |
| Game 5 | IP | R | K | BB | HR |
| Jaime Garcia | 4.2 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 |
| Bullpen | 4.1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 |
In three games so far, the bullpen has pitched as much or more than the starting pitcher. Cumulatively, the bullpen's line remains impressive.
| IP | R | K | BB | HR | |
| Bullpen | 21.2 | 5 | 15 | 3 | 1 |
Despite a relatively moderate strikeout rate, the bullpen is showing off a ~2.70 FIP (depending on your league adjustment constant) for the length of the NLCS. The bullpen is anchored by Fernando Salas and Jason Motte. Salas has allowed 1 hit, Motte 0. They've pitched 7.2 combined innings and struck out 7 while walking no one. The Cardinals success is hugely dependent on the ability of these two arms to continue to pitch on an almost every game basis.
There's a few lesser notes to make as the Cardinals prepare to take on Milwaukee tonight.
- John Mozeliak deserves a good bit of credit. I'll probably never like the midseason trade that sent Colby Rasmus to Toronto but Mozeliak deserves credit for recognizing that the bullpen as constructed was dysfunctional and doing something about it. Sure, some of that was a problem of his own creating but it would have been all to easy to do nothing. Equally important, the construction of the post-season roster has been near perfect with Kyle McClellan as the only questionable inclusion. No Jake Westbrook. No Corey Patterson. Difficult decisions that I'm not sure I expected to be made.
- The best offense is a good defense. While the bullpen has been stellar, they've still created outs on 50 balls that were in play. That credit goes to the defense. Ryan Theriot's recent error's notwithstanding, the defense has been excellent. Rafael Furcal has reminded everyone what a true shortstop looks like at that position and brilliant plays like Albert's first to third to punch out Chase Utley will be part of this post-season's lore.
It's something of an improbable run. The Cardinals were a flawed team to start the year and while they've coalesced into something of a Platonic ideal of what they've were always supposed to be, an improbable run with a formerly flawed team has to have an unusual aspect to it. Writers everywhere would be devastated if this team stuck to it's regular season script. They haven't. They've rewritten the script and in doing so, they find themselves one win removed from the World Series.
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Long live the bullpen!
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
Viva la bullpen
by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Oct 16, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
he switched to the new mugshot for awhile, but the cards lost
back to the old, they do great!
FIRE EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Oct 16, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
same here
I’ll probably never like the midseason trade that sent Colby Rasmus to Toronto
unless colby continues to self-destruct. In that case, i’ll give mo credit for trading high.
Then let's hope you'll never like the trade.
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
i'm not sure there's a rooting interest beyond
i’d like to think that the cardinals saw something that indicated that colby wasn’t going to become the player they expected… apathy, immaturity, internal conflict, whatever.
The fact that the ‘win now’ approach has succeeded is comforting, but it still fails the logic test. Everything else being equal. i’m hoping that there was more to the story. This would bode better for future decisions.
I'd still like to see Raz succeed. He's a former Cardinal, after all.
However, I must admit that I’ll feel a bit of schadenfreude if he doesn’t. That, and curiosity as to what went wrong, and how to avoid it in the next big high-school slugger we draft.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Oct 16, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd feel bad for Colby if he never reaches his talent level.
I’d take pleasure in TONY Rasmus’ suffering, if there was any, but I sort of wonder if he’s the “success is mine, failure is Colby’s” type of helicopter fathers.
Makin' toast!
DING
Butterin' toast!
no reason to wish failure on colby
I like to think that the cardinals knew he wasn’t going to come around to there way, so they let him go somewhere else. I don’t think Colby is going to turn into the player he can be with his dad playing such a large role in his career. Hopefully his new coaches can get that message through better than our coaches did.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Even if Colby fails, that doesn't confirm anything
It could very well mean we just got lucky.
I personally would like to him to become the next Edmonds. Then maybe this front office will get cleaned out (including Tony) – although that’s not likely to happen if we win the WS.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 16, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's amazing that when TLR is forced to play his best players because of trades and injury
he “manages” much better.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure Colby has failed or will fail
He’s been pretty good in aggregate and he projects to be pretty good — what he has failed to do is become Joe Dimaggio or Tris Speaker or Jim Edmonds and he has the weird Dad who seems determined to turn him into a Lindsey lohan character. With a little luck and maturity I think he’s going to be better than good, maybe not awesome.
I think he’s a victim of outsized expectations more than anything else
Having said that, I think Jay and Craig are better fits for this version of Cardinals so I don’t think we lost that much
Just win
I agree with this and wish more people understand this
And by people I mean the people around me in life who think Al Hrabosky is an expert
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 16, 2011 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it's also worth noting, we've had his three really cheap years
When people say we traded away three “cheap” years of Rasmus, we’re probably looking at paying him around $18m for those three years. Whilst that’s still very cheap for a starter, if he doesn’t end up as more than a 3 WAR player (which I guess he probably is now with reasonable luck) then you’re really only getting him for about half his value in free agency, which is cool but not a massive blow.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I definitely remember Mo saying he was trying to extend Rasmus before TLR's comments
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
that he did
but i think that might have been in June, even. Something could have happened in between.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i told myself (half jokingly, but still seriously) right after the trade...
that if we won the world series, i’d never bitch about the trade again. the trade was designed to make the cardinals better THIS year, and was designed to help the team win the world series THIS year. if that happens, i’ll never complain again.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if the trade works out as planned
- and attributing a world series win entirely to the trade is already a pretty tenuous claim - it doesn’t mean the original plan was any good
we don't make the playoffs without dotel, scrabble, and jackson.
we’ve had some big time arguments about this, but between the stats and, yes, the intangibles i don’t see any way you could argue to the contrary. a world series victory on top of it? successful trade.
plus scrabble might actually be a starter one day…
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i reject your claim
there’s no way to attribute a playoff berth to the trade
and rzepczynski maybe one day being a starter has nothing to do with whether or not this playoff berth is a result of the trade
I reject your rejection.
I just thought it’d be fun to do that.
this implies that without the trade, no other roster machinations would have happened
the type of performance gotten from jackson so far could have been found on the waiver wire. dotel was pretty crappy before coming over here, so ditto him; he was as likely as any other FAT to start tossing up FIPs in th 1.00 range. rzepczynski’s been great, but he’s still been used essentially as a LOOGY. his long term value is the potential saving grace of the trade
the type of performance gotten from jackson so far could have been found on the waiver wire
wat
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
he gave the cards a 4.01 FIP
league average was 3.94. it is my belief that a roughly league average pitcher could be obtained on waivers or at the very least for less than colby rasmus
league average =/= “on the waiver wire”
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
such as?
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
do i have to look through the MLBTR archives
to find a league average player that was moved by being placed on waivers? i’m not going to do it. if you guys think that only replacement level players are put on waivers, then i guess we’ve reached our stopping point
furcal was essentially a waiver-type player. he was gotten for a 26-year-old AA guy who had no future in the organization and has the upside of a 4th OF. i think a similar kind of pitcher could have been had for a similar price. what did bedard cost the red sox?
what I mean is
can you find a concrete example of A) a ~2 win pitcher who was B) available and C) wouldn’t have cost Rasmus?
Bedard’s an interesting example….that was a three-team deal. Boston gave up 4 guys I’m unfamiliar with. I think I’d rather have Jackson though.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
i'm not actually going to try to come up with a concrete example
so maybe that makes me wrong, but i just don’t feel like itt
Doug Fister.
Also, how can a fan of the Cardinals not remember all of the waiver trash that has come through and been average for us: John Smoltz, Jake Westbrook, Jeff Weaver, Joel Pineiro, Todd Wellemeyer, etc.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Fister works too, yeah.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hardly knew her!
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If we're going to be fair about this
at the time we were getting a guy we thought was a 3-4 WAR starter (Jackson), a guy we thought was a ~3 FIP lefty reliever (Rzep) and a guy who probably wasn’t worth very much anymore but might be an OK righty specialist (Dotel). Not really sure we get that deal without giving up a large group of prospects, a top prospect (Miller/Martinez) or getting very lucky and catching lightning in a bottle. Bedard isn’t as good as Jackson anyhow (but, to be fair, the RedSox did give up a real pu-pu platter for him, so I’d have preferred to have done that move, at the time, and maybe trade something else for a lefty reliever).
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
also
I think Furcal’s health was a major reason the Dodgers were willing to part with him….Furcal was an upside gamble, not unlike Berkman at the beginning of the year. FWIW.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
um, no.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
so to summarize your argument
i completely and totally disagree. so we’re not going to get anywhere.
wat
um, no.
well, at least two people agree with me...
and i haven’t even had to do any work yet.
In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of irreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So let me get this right
you’re arguing that we could’ve got the production we DID get from Jackson post-trade from another pitcher, even though we had every reason to expect him to be better than he was. Fine.
But you’re also arguing, here:
dotel was pretty crappy before coming over here, so ditto him; he was as likely as any other FAT to start tossing up FIPs in th 1.00 range.
that the production we DID get from Dotel should be wiped off the ledger because we expected him to be worse? So we’re taking the worst case performance scenario (i.e. what we EXPECTED from Jackson plus what we GOT from Dotel) in each case? This is logically inconsistent.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW I generally agree, PJ, that you can make a fair argument that the trade was a mediocre or even poor one
and equally that we could’ve added some similarly good pieces by trading away non-Rasmus players (although I think it probably takes one of our top-5 prospects to get a Jackson-level rental). But I think equally, in a very real sense, the trade put us in the playoffs.
OTHER trades might’ve done the same, but that’s not quite what the original argument was (heck, if you’re going to argue that, the logical extreme of that argument is “if we traded Shelby Miller, Carlos Martinez, Oscar Taveras and the entire Quad Cities roster for Hanley Ramirez and Josh Johnson, we’d probably have won about 95 games”).
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No way! Josh Johnson was hurt!
heh
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Oct 16, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
in general my point is that these kind of players
could have been had for much less than colby rasmus, whether we look at what was actually had or what was expected
I think a Jackson-level pitcher probably costs one of our top 2 prospects, in all honesty
you could maybe get it done for something around Oscar Taveras or whatever, and I agree that that’s possibly (probably) better than dealing Rasmus, all things being equal (i.e. no problems with TLR, the local media witchhunt, and Tony Rasmus), but I kinda refute the idea that someone like Jackson is chopped liver.
You could turn it around and ask what we’d ideally want for trading Chris Carpenter, Jason Motte and Mitchell Boggs to a contending team (which arguably we might’ve considered, if we’d lost one or two more games in July) – you’re probably hoping to get a top-end prospect or a young, cost-controlled, above-average starter.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i think jackson is a type B
and i don’t think it’s that easy to immediately replace the type of upside colby rasmus has
What does consistency matter to anything?
Jackson has been worth 3.6, 3.8 and 3.8 WAR the last three years, mostly in the AL. Carpenter’s probably a bit better, to be fair, but there’s not a massive amount in it. FWIW I think you under-rate Jackson. Not sure there’s going to be any agreement on this one :-)
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Jackson's a good pitcher
He was definitely the best part of the trade, even though Dotel turned out to be the most valuable.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
not sure where you find a two win pitcher on the waiver wire or a loogy the caliber of scrabble without giving up something. I think we should have traded prospects to get those guys and not Rasmus, but it’s clear that the the trade made the difference vis a vis standing pat
i guess that's not really the point i'm trying to make
the trade significantly improved post season odds over standing pat. i’m arguing that it makes the trade worth it when these are the kind of pieces that could have been had for significantly less
Toronto had to send Zach Stewart...
for Jackson… Not sure what the comp is in the Cardinal system. And Texas sent a couple good pitching prospects to the Padres for Adams. Not sure if Dotel + Scrabble = Adams… Probably not, but we would’ve parted with some combination of Cox, Adams, Swagerty, Taveras, Cleto, Rosethal…
i don't think the rangers overpaying for a reliever is the kind of example to follow
i’m more worried about how we were going to get jackson than how we were going to land a couple relievers and hope they turn out decent.
pretty sure we could have gotten an equivalent set of players for quite a bit less. more furcal type deals were out there to be had
Sickles had Stewart as a B+ prospect at the beginning of the year
And the Blue Jays’ 4th best prospect.
Shelby was an A- and we did not have anyone else B+ or above.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said elsewhere
I don’t necessarily think it takes Martinez or Miller to get Jackson, but we’d probably need to give them Taveras plus a package of other top-ten guys. And perhaps they would insist on Martinez. I’m not sure you land a 4-WAR starter in the middle of the season without giving up something significant.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwin Jackson is probably one of the top 40 pitchers in baseball
Marc Rzepscinksi is probably one of the top 10-15 left-handed relievers in baseball (11th or 12th by WAR this year). I’m just not sure you can get those sort of players off the waiver wire, although I take your point to some extent that we could’ve plugged many of our holes this year had Mo done his job better.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of this is just wrong
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I was going to add more but then saw that your
position was that we could have gotten another starting pitcher as good as Edwin Jackson on the waiver wire and just decided it wasn’t worth it to type anything else.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ man, you have to see the flaw in this argument
Those wins could have been easily made up in other ways.
The trade improved our odds of making the players, there were a million other factors that contributed to it.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
there’s no way to attribute a playoff berth to the trade
i completely and totally disagree. so we’re not going to get anywhere.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
in fact i'd call it just short of delusional.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I take your earlier point about not being able to say the trade was any good if it works out as planned, but this is clearly wrong:
i reject your claim
there’s no way to attribute a playoff berth to the trade
We made the playoffs by 1 win. The guys we added put up 2 WAR in the time they were with us. The guys we traded away were worth -0.7 WAR (negative), and presumably Kyle McClellan is replacement-level (at best) as our 5th starter if we hadn’t made the move. In WAR terms, we don’t make the playoffs. I also think from simple common sense (if we want to move away from any SABR arguments), we clearly don’t make the playoffs if we go back in time and don’t make that trade.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
then you've kinda changed the crux of your argument, because you said
i reject your claim
there’s no way to attribute a playoff berth to the trade
What you said in several posts after this (or rather the argument you made, that we could have made the playoffs without trading Rasmus but by making other trades) is correct, but kinda elementary. But this statement here looks wrong to me.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
all right
i’m kind of reading a book while doing this. i’m not trying to construct elaborate arguments because i feel the things i’m saying are fairly self evident
my argument is that this is wrong:
we don’t make the playoffs without dotel, scrabble, and jackson.
therefore this is faulty conclusion
a world series victory on top of it? successful trade.
but your point is that we gave up too much?
what are you arguing here?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's saying that we could've made the playoffs by making OTHER trades
which is fair enough I guess, but pretty self-evident really. It’s pretty clear that if we stood pat, the way things panned out, we wouldn’t be in the playoffs now. And I think I reject the idea we could’ve just picked up waiver wire scraps and still made it.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with this.
In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of irreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i said that was i was saying was fairly self evident
and that’s why i’m not bothering to look up facts about waiver wire claims, etc. i may not have made that clear, but i kind of took this as seriously as trying to argue that FIP is better for evaluating pitchers than ERA or something
Basically...
you’re saying we should’ve either traded prospects for the guys we got, or gone the Maroth/Weaver route and parted with nothing, is that it?
Just about any knowledgeable Cardinal fan would’ve preferred the former, but it would be misguided to pick the latter over what has actually transpired.
Ifmultiple intelligent people are finding it difficult to understand the precise point you're trying to make
it is not necessarily their fault.
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by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't you now have to define what you mean by intellligent
then prove that the “multilple” people you’re talking about fit that criteria?
/snark
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 16, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But if we had stood pat
Things wouldn’t have panned out the way they did, obviously.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Not you too!!
There are many ways we could have made the playoffs, what actually occurred was just one of them.
For example, we could have not made the trade and Skip Schumaker could have batted .400 the rest of the way (which I would say is equally as likely as Dotel’s performance). Or we could have not made the trade and the Braves could have lost 3 more games down the stretch then they did.
Or we could have made the trade, everything works out the way it did, and the Braves actually play competent baseball down the stretch and we’re out by 5 games.
There are millions of possible ways we could have made the playoffs – the trade improved the odds that we would hit one. That’s all – it wasn’t “the difference maker”, it was one of a million.
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by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing that no one has really brought up regarding the Rasmus trade
(at least that I can remember), is the environment here in St. Louis made it impossible for him to succeed here, regardless of natural talent or ability.
I hope Rasmus has a great career, I just think with all the stuff that went down here him having a great career in St. Louis wasn’t possible, so trading him was in some respects, addition by subtraction.
I get that is a non-quantifiable argument, but I think there’s something to that.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
I think it had been mentioned quite a bit when the trade actually went down
but yeah, that’s a valid point. We don’t really know how the rest of the players viewed him, either – we can say “get rid of TLR, keep Rasmus”, but then if Molina, Pujols and Holliday all think he’s a douchebag I suppose there’s an argument that it could still be a problem in years to come.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I should've quantified my timeframe
Was talking since the playoff run, as there was a lot of that speculation before and in the aftermath of the trade. But IIRC, Rasmus made at least one, if not two, comments about wanting to be traded in the off season, and Albert said, in the press if memory serves, essentially ‘get him out of here if that’s his attitude’.
That had to have an effect on the chemistry in the clubhouse. And while winning builds upon itself, they just seemed to be less tense as a team after the trade. Obviously wild speculation on my part, but I am of the belief that the whole Rasmus situation was a drag on the clubhouse.
And I’m not putting all the blame on Colby, as it takes two to tango, but I think the subtraction of Rasmus the personality/situation has to be taken into consideration as well.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Even if what Ted says is true...
you trade prospects to get better mid-season, then wait for the offseason to trade Rasmus and you don’t do it for relievers.
The Rasmus trade was disastrous because 1)his value had bottomed out, 2)it was a rush job prior to the deadline with a limited number of partners interested in trading, and 3) we designed the return package according to short term need instead of upside.
Had we waited until th offseason one could invision a challenge trade with the Braves for Hayward, or for one of their young pitchers, or to any number of other teams looking for a CFer.
Well, I made a fanpost about this at the time
but I don’t believe the Rasmus trade was that bad. Not good, certainly, and the Bluejays certainly won it, but I don’t know if (in the cold light of day) people weren’t reacting over-emotionally to it. When I parsed a pretty reasonable (I thought) spectrum of possible career trajectories for each player, it seemed like the mean outcome was pretty much a small loss of value. I think giving Albert Pujols $25m+ per year for most of the next decade would be a much worse decision than trading Colby Rasmus.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
it was pretty neutral
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at your points
1) If his value had been higher, would he have even been traded? And if not, who could the Cardinals have packaged to get JAckson, Dotel, and Scrabble? Not saying Mo couldn’t have pulled it off, but I think that trade is a lot more difficult.
2) Doesn’t that go back to the value paradox of Rasmus? If he’s valuable, the Cards probably don’t include him in a trade. As it was, the Cardinals needed to do something to shore up the bullpen, and if that was the best offer on the table that addresses your needs, you take it. Because…
3) You make deadline trades because you’re either a buyer or a seller. The Cardinals were obviously buyers, so trading Rasmus looking towards the future would be foolish. If they make no move, the Cardinals aren’t in the playoffs. I know some folks take umbrage with that, but I think that it’s clear they wouldn’t have. So of course you make it with short term needs in mind. I have no issues with building towards the future, but the goal is to also win year in and year out, and I’m not unhappy with Jon Jay since he took over full time.
You make that deal to win this year, and when looked through that lens, it was a great trade.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
THE ZOMBIE CARDINALS ARE UNDEAD! LONG LIVE THE MAFIA!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sort of sad Texas won
Mainly because our game is later now. 9hrs 15min
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 16, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
I was all in for the Tigers.
I am not fond of the American League Professional Baseball Clubs’ representative in Dallas, Texas.
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
damn, I didn't notice that
I was all ready for afternoon drinking, having even gone to the liquor store already this morning in preparation
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Which Cardinals on the postseason roster do not have any postseason experience at any level?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
pro level, I should say.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I was going to say the Mafia has plenty of experience
But at the pro level we’ve got the Mafia, maybe Edwin Jackson who haven’t had playoff experience
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 16, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
nope. Mr. Jackson has time served on the 2008 Tampa Bay Rays.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm trying to figure out if Lance Lynn was injured during the playoff run
though he was on the team. Sanchez I’m almost sure was out, but I’m still trying to dig.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Lynn was in the redbirds postseasonf last year
That’s the game where he stuck out like 17 batters or something ridiculous
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 16, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to be clear
I’m counting Memphis. I cannot choose words today. I mean pro as in not-amateur or college.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
starting through the position players now...
it might be Laird. but digging through minor league stats is quite a slog. before five years ago, not sure where to dig.
Descalso is also a question mark at the moment. I suspect, but cannot quite check that he missed the postseason to go to the Baseball World Cup. I bet this is on VEB somewhere…
Allen Craig and Adron Chambers need checking.
geez, all I want is a postseason roster for the 2009 Redbirds. back to digging.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
by the way, Adron Chambers' wikipedia page sorely needs some clutch-hit narrative.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
derp, I can't read
there’s Allen Craig at DH.
yeah, I’m almost sure Descalso missed their postseason to be in Italy. that was a championship but he rode pine.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
aha! looking in the wrong year
he was on the Memphis squad last year.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Chambers in 2010
I can’t find him in either roster. this is not a full search, he might still be in there. we sent a buttload of teams in 2010.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I stopped at his first level, but ought to be checked further anyway.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/gen/articles/printer_friendly/milb/y2007/m09/d11/c301981.jsp
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Patterson
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
oh wait, I thought you were asking
who in the dugout wearing a uniform still doesn’t have postseason experience.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
baseball reference page says
All hope abandon, ye who enter here . . .
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta be a bitter pill for that guy.
Finally gets on another team that’s in the playoffs and he’s still outside looking in.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
that would suck.
Circled the airport but couldn’t land.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
they have pil–
oh, no, they don’t.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
ok, the ones I cannot find (as of yet)
Gerald Laird
Corey Patterson
Lance Lynn
Adron Chambers
That’s out of most of the 40-man. There are a few Sir Not Appearing In This Film’s who have none but even they’re in the minority.
Even if I limit it to 2005 or later, most still apply. So this whole narrative where these guys have come out of nowhere and yet are strangely unfazed by the bright lights is a bit flimsy. They might not have had long playoff runs, but the Mafia especially has done the extended season before. Often.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Lance Lynn was in the playoffs last year in Memphis
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
aha! thank you
I knew it, but I just could not find it. so basically that’s the entire squad.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
One addedum on the bullpen makeover
When the 2011 season started, both Salas and Sanchez were in Memphis. It’s truly amazing to look at the cast of characters who started the season in the bullpen for the Cards and see who we have now. Only Motte and Boggs have survived on the island. Everyone else got voted off at tribal council. And even Boggs briefly got exiled to Memphis before receiving special immunity to return. How many different closers did the team have? Here is my count.
Franklin
Boggs
Sanchez
Salas
Motte
This is where 2011 starts to look like 2006 in that Wainwright did not become the closer until Izzy’s arm fell completely off at the tail end of the season and TLR went to Adam at last resort. Motte was the last guy standing and Tony finally gave him the job (although refusing to admit he gave him the job).
they started in Memphis but they had a real shot in ST.
a lot of those moves had nothing to do with ability, and everything to do with roster construction and injuries.
in other words, reality tv is rigged.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't change the fact that the Cards openning day bullpen
consisted of
Franklin
Batista
Motte
Boggs
Augenstein
T. Miller
Tallet
It shocking to look at in print.
just as shocking:
our opening day SS was………Ryan Theriot. Ahhhhh!!!
Seriously, I don’t think any single change has had as much impact as replacing Theriot with Furcal, even if you look at it purely from a defensive standpoint. Even with Furcal having a few costly errors, it really crystallized to me how absolutely crucial middle defense is to success in baseball.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Oct 16, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
...you mean you didn't know before...?
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, I knew
but to see the transformation of this team after we got a real SS just really drove it home for me
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
how soon they forget
Furcal’s impact is huge because he brings the offense too, and by all accounts he’s making a difference in the clubhouse. On defense, I hate to say it, but Boog would’ve. I’m just shocked you didn’t notice when it was taken away, is all. (Personally, in that alternate universe, Brendan would be better served as Furcal’s backup.)
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Clubhouse difference
Yeah, if it weren’t for his “Happy Flight” mantra, there’s no way they’d have won 16 straight getaway games!
In that alternate universe, I think I like Boog at SS and Furcal at 2B
superb defensive infield, and only really one weak bat there.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And this is basically John Mozeliak's fault
we gave up a lot of games at the start of the year due to that ugly pen. Admittedly, they did well to cut bait as quickly as they did on some players (I surprised how quickly both Batista and Franklin were kicked to the kerb) but really, we could’ve actually just started the season with Salas and Sanchez in St Louis and not bothered signing Batista or Tallet.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Or was the pen to start the season of
Tony’s design? Who lobbied to option Salas and Sanchez down to Memphis to start the season? Who decided Miguel Batista should be a setup man in our pen? I doubt JMo was the culprit. Those moves have Tony’s finger prints on them. Agree JMo shares culpability though as acquiesced to the demands of his manager.
really the secret
was that once they got Rzep, he and the other four bullpeneers (presumably Sanchez, Salas, Lynn, and Motte) could combine their powers to form Captain Bullpen.
Also, I will love whoever makes a photoshop of that.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
I vote this be our team slogan
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 16, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
into the grotesque UNDEAD!
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If any of you see SleepyCA
Tell him to shoot me an email at kinescopestealshome at gmail as I try to not get bot’d to death with spam.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 16, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Mo does deserve quite a bit of credit for remaking a flawed team, mianly the bullpen and the MIF
The problem is that he was responsible for creating the flawed team to begin with. Of course, there’s a lot to be said for realizing the mistakes and doing good things to rectify the situation.
Jettisoning or marginalizing demonstrably bad players like Franklin, Batista, Tallet, Miller, Theriot, Skip, and McClellan has made all the difference in the world.
Last, a 2012 bullpen with Motte, Lynn, Sanchez, Salas, Rzep, Boggs and whoever else is pretty tantalizing.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
it's even sexy.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that BP looks awesome. i look forward to 2012.
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
I wouldn't be surprised if they bring back Dotel.
TLR clearly trusts him and he has pitched very well as a Cardinal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Me neither
although up to a point I kinda don’t see how they can fit him in. We probably need another lefty (especially if there’s any idea to stretch Rzep out a bit in ST and see if he can make it as a starter in 2013), and we’ve already got 7 guys in Motte, Lynn, Sanchez, Salas, Rzep, Boggs and KMac. I guess they could non-tender McClellan; I’d be kinda fine with that (although at least 2 or 3 posters thought I was crazy for making that same suggestion in about June, when he had a 3.something ERA as a starter and our bullpen was sucking ass).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I definatel agree with keeping Dotel and not KMac
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 16, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither is a lefty, though
I guess we could keep Dotel, pick up a FA lefty (or give Gast/Additon a chance in the pen) and maybe leave Lynn or Sanchez or someone down in Memphis.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think Dotel will be too expensive to keep around
If he’s super cheap or money isn’t an issue (because, say, we don’t sign Pujols) then I’d be fine keeping him around.
Otherwise I say put Dickson in the bullpen as the long man. He can be a puppy kicker redux; I don’t think Dickson has the stuff to be a ML starter.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Me neither (re:Dickson)
do you non-tender KMac and sign another lefty then?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd non-tender mcclellan but I'm not sure that we need an additional lefty
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
(TLR)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
I definitely non-tender KMac. I guess we might be able to trade him like Theriot was traded this past offseason
But even if we can’t trade him for a C prospect, just non-tender him.
I’m fine with going with just one lefty.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony's gonna want a second lefty
besides, do they have anybody legit behind Scrabble in the minors in case he gets hurt?
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
John (Walk 'em then pick 'em) Gast
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
My guess would be Additon is next in line
then Gast. I don’t think, however, that either is especially tough on lefties (I think Gast’s best pitch might be his changeup) so they’re not your ideal LOOGY. Guessing neither would be much of an upgrade on Brian Tallet. I guess if we go that route I wouldn’t even be totally against giving 42-year-old chubby Arthur Rhodes another go round. I realise he’s sucked this year and is probably done, but he was very good the two previous years in Cincinatti, and we can always send him out to pasture with Franklin and Batista if it doesn’t work out.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
they don't have any lefties behind Scrabble
I don’t think Gast, Freeman or the lefty we got in the Ludwick trade count as “legit.”
Otherwise you’re left with guys like Valdes or…..Arthur Rhodes!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Headed up to Miller for the game.
I’ve never been to an away playoff game. Is it bad form to be too decked out in Cards stuff? I figure as long as I don’t make an ass of myself cheering, it’s fine.
I would resent you for not going being completely decked out in Cards gear
and cheer loudly and often, just don’t be overly obnoxious or boorish about it as you alluded to (translation….get buzzed-drunk, not drunk-drunk)
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
buzzed driving IS drunk driving
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
You are going there to suport your team
cheer your ass off.
But I wouldn’t be negative about the Brewers in your cheering, I some big hoss may be liquored up and take offense. I’ve never been to Milwaukee though.
I have been to a road playoff game though, game 4 of the 2004 NLCS in Houston. I hate Beltran still.
is your chest painted? y/n
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be careful if the certain events transpired...
in a way that the vast majority of attendees found disagreeable. Feelings could run hot. Other than that, I would guess you’d be fine.
I really haven't heard anything but good things about MIL fans
I really doubt he’d ever be in danger
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
watch out for furries.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 16, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be there too
I’ve gone to at least one Cards game at Miller Park every year for about nine years now. They’ve always been friendly to me — I tailgate in Cards gear and have made friends every time.
i showed up to dodger stadium in 04 decked out
and i quickly regretted it. but i don’t think miller park has the problems dodger stadium does.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
funny you mention dodger stadium
a friend of mine went to the ’09 series in LA, she had the exact same experience. I think she even fared better in Philly a month or so ago.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
i'm sure i've told the story here before. it was pretty awful over there.
luckily i brought my u of a hoodie and wore it walking out of the stadium
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
I was at the HolliDrop game 2 in LA in 09
I can’t remember exactly what I was wearing, definitely a Cards shirt though. Was with some buddies and we were cheering for the Cards openly, people were throwing peanuts and shit at us all game. When they won it got pretty bad, people spraying us with beer and shit. We had to get the hell out of there quick.
that is basically exactly what happened to me
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
Dodger Stadium is a cesspool
wearing red there is akin to having the wrong gang affiliation. It’s dangerous.
sweet shirt, jon
by prophetjohn on Oct 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it a woman running the camera?
I ask because around the 50 second mark, Descalso seems to be looking about …. chest level. Actually, he glances there a lot during the interview.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
they were using a hand puppet to get him to smile
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He probably was confused as to if he should look at the interviewer or the camera,
And settled for staring at the ground.
2006, best year of my life. StL Cardinals AND Indy Colts win their championships.
that is a badass shirt
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
that shirt has been in rotation in the clubhouse all year
I last saw Freese with one.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so, I'm on train to Milwaukee ...
And just realized the gametime change. Thinking about spending the night. Anyone know what hotel the cardinals staying at in Milwaukee?
by staticard on Oct 16, 2011 12:52 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
a few years ago, it was the haunted one. old, classic, probably all the tourist places will tell you which one.
who knows, maybe they changed it because they missed Jaime’s sheets.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
thanks much
I just walked into the lobby. McGuire & Mott are standing here. This day keeps getting better.
by staticard on Oct 16, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I will take a split with Wisconsin today
They can have the Packers win and we will take the Cardinals win
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 16, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'd take it but I wouldn't mind sweeping WI today
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 16, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
let's stick to reality
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder which will be higher.
Number of TDs thrown by Rodgers,
vs.
Number of innings pitched by E-Jax.
Not that I think Jackson is going to get roughed up, just given the way things have gone, I could see TLR going for matchups from about the 5th inning on, and I could see Rodgers throwing 6 TDs, given the Rams current secondary issues.
Makin' toast!
DING
Butterin' toast!
Rams already won
Green Bay only up 3-0 in the second quarter, that’s downright embarrassing for them.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
that was the OSU-ILL score yesterday
they’ll be lucky to get off so easily
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Spoke too soon...
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - Wiki - PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 16, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
oh sweet they moved the game time
now i don’t have to miss my friend’s baby shower.
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I really wish it was at 3
d’oh (got a ticket for a concert tonight)
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Dutch baseball: coming up in the world?
Netherlands write European History with Win of IBAF Baseball World Cup
Also, who knew there was a site dedicated to European baseball?
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Is that team mainland Dutch players or Andruw Joneses?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
I'm trying to find more info. I suspect they're mainlanders.
Meanwhile: The anonymous sports drink of victory!
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
...
The Netherlands clinched a spot in the World Cup gold-medal game—the first European country to do so in a tournament format—with two victories Thursday, including a 4-1 victory against previously undefeated Cuba.
The last European country to play for gold was during what is now considered the first World Cup, in 1938. That was a best-of-seven series between the United States and the United Kingdom (won by host U.K.). Also, it was before World War II, so this Netherlands club has done something unprecedented with a meaningless game against Venezuela remaining tonight to end the second round. The Dutch team has ridden tremendous pitching to lose only once in nine games, posting a 1.57 ERA overall. It’s allowed five runs twice—once in a 7-5 win against the U.S., once in its lone loss, 5-4 to Canada
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Further in the article
A.J. Pollock (Diamondbacks) and Joey Thurston (Marlins) had hits in the scoring frame for the Americans
…?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Oh my. No wonder the Americans didn't make it to the final.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And according to B-Ref...
It has to be him.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Yeah, I know he's with the Fish now.
Maybe he’s trying to change his name to change his luck.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm wrong.
The most successful Dutch baseball players come from the Caribbean islands that remain part of the Dutch kingdom, where baseball is the most popular sport. One such player (who does not play with the national team) is Andruw Jones, who now plays for the New York Yankees. He led the National League in home runs in 2005 while playing with the Atlanta Braves. For years, he has had the highest salary of any Dutch sportsman.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And I was looking forward to our new
Van Der Voort overlords.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Well, there are some from the Netherlands proper.
Here’s the 2011 Netherlands roster. Of the players that had individual pages, about a quarter or so were born in the Netherlands. Not too bad, I guess.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Rick Van Den Hurk! Or whatever he was called.
Pitched for a few different teams (Mariners was maybe one?) a year or two ago. There was also a dutch guy in the Cubs system maybe 2 years ago, but not sure if he’s still around.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Still with Baltimore.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Behold!
The Bolton Robots of Doooooooom!
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, that's great.
See if you can get a cap or something. The WTF factor would be through the roof.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I probably could.
I’ve watched them play once. Had to double take when i saw them mentioned here!
Topically, they used to be the Bolton Brewers.
"The Double Play... like a ballet the art of the 6-4-3 double play"
complete with a confusing sexy picture.
Still not a werewolf.
there is just no truth in advertising these days.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Join the Robots and See the World!
Bolton Baseball Club are on the lookout for new players for the 2011 season.
Training sessions start Sunday February 6, 11am at St James’s Sports College indoors.
No experience neccessary. Fun in the sun.
Travel England & The Netherlands. Look great in a uniform!
Contact Rico Toniolo for more information.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Fun in the sun?
Is this the same England that I know, or have we discovered another one on the equator?
Still not a werewolf.
Who cares?
Look great in a uniform!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Oct 16, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm picturing the Vintage Baseball bit from Conan.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ya wonder how many of them show up thinking that it's just like cricket?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
ahha.
cricket was just the first thing that came to mind
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Long-time reader, first time writer.
Hi. I liken Motte to the bastard son of Bruce Sutter and Goose Gossage. And we call him…
Grooce Sossage.
(We also call Jon Jay by the name JJ Smooth, but that has nothing to do with the bullpen discussion).
Go Cardinals.
If I had a tagline, this would be it.
"My Two Dad: The Jason Motte Story"
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Oct 16, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Motte is still high on Franklin
which I respect even though we all saw the end of the Franklins
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 16, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
welcome!
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The Rams just aren't going to be able to beat a team
wearing throwbacks this ugly.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
Update:
The Rangers have just scored again.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Oct 16, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My Texas family was going apeshit last night on FB.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
FSMW retweeted a comment that the Rams, Blues, and Cardinals have never all played on the same day
This seems odd to me considering the amount of times the Cardinals have reached the postseason since the Rams have been in St. Louis. It also seems odd because the MLB postseason seems to run later and later into fall in the last decade or so. Also, my dad and I both seem to recall having a 3 STL game day before.
I wish I knew a way to quickly search and figure this out, but..
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trevornickerson Trevor Nickerson
by FSMidwest
Blues PR saying that the Blues, Rams, and Cardinals have never all three played on the same day. Tomorrow that will happen, none in STL.
the problem is the blues schedule
hockey usually only has 1 game on sunday, i think.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 16, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
same thing OSAM said...
the blues don’t usually play on sundays.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I take back those things I said last night
I want the Cardinals game to start in an hour.
I would even be okay with it starting now.
Still not a werewolf.
So my stepdad, who is an engineering professor and knows how much I like analyzing baseball statistics
Wrote this whole short statistical analysis that found a lack of correlation between regular season and post season success, and sent it to me. I guess he just did it for fun? I don’t know how to tell him that his findings are pretty much common knowledge.
by purple_haze on Oct 16, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Just pat him on the back for taking the initiative.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, there's a huge correlation.
The teams that play poorly never have success in the post season, because they don’t make it.
Thought I read the roof would be closed
Haudricourt Tom
The roof (and one panel) is open at Miller Park. Don’t know if will stay open. MLB likes “consistent conditions” and was open for Gms 1 & 2.
They've since closed it.
Temperatures will be in the 40s for the late innings.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
as much as i didnt liek the colby trade
i still dont think it’s worse than the mulder trade…however if mulder would have been healthy who knows.
because TLR
i don't remember the specifics
but mulder was good for a season right? and the he signed an extension and sucked?
either way, probably not worse than the mulder trade. we got some amount of long term value out of rzepczynski and it’s probably unlikely that colby is the kind of elite player that haren has been. he’s had three 6+ WAR seasons and seven 4+ WAR seasons. those are high standards to reach
Mulder 2005
16-8, 205.0 IP
3.64 ERA, 4.30 FIP, 4.03 xFIP
1.376 WHIP
0.8 HR/9
3.1 BB/9, 4.9 K/9, 1.59 K/BB
60.5% GB, .293 BABIP
2.2 fWAR
Every time I look up Mulder’s numbers, I’m always surprised he didn’t strike more guys out.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
I think he signed the extension and then his shoulder fell off.
which sucked. it’s kinda like Lohse, it’s hard to say that Mulder sucked when the guy was hurt. I just wonder how much of an evaluation they gave him before offering the contract and whether we even could have caught that anything was wrong.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The Mulder Trade
set the wheels in motion for the World Series win in 2006.
That has always removed the sting for me. Dan Haren hasn’t taken anybody to the World Series; maybe he would have taken us, but the fact is, we won one without him.
Likewise, if the ‘birds win the Series this year, I’ll be fine watching Colby smash balls elsewhere. Considering we win (on average) a championship every twelve years, I will always agree with take-the-chance-while-it’s-there.
by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 16, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure what you mean wheels in motion
or how having haren on that roster would have hindered it so i’d liek to hear more
because TLR
not saying that Haren would have hindered it -
but Mulder’s injury, struggles and absence led to the rotation-patching that summer with Weaver and Anthony Reyes.
Without Weaver and Reyes, would we have won the Series? Maybe. But even with Haren, you don’t do better than winning the Series.
Basically I’m saying winning the World Series is all the right elements coming together at exactly the right time. Without the Haren trade there is no Mark Mulder. Without Mark Mulder there is no Mulder injury. Without the Mulder injury there is no Jeff Weaver. Without Jeff Weaver… who knows if we win in ’06.
by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 16, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess, in the sense that no one can know what
Would have happened, yes. But I don’t think that’s particularly interesting. It’s very likely that we succeeded despite the mulder trade rather than because of it.
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by tom s. on Oct 16, 2011 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'd say possible.
i wouldn’t say likely.
regardless, we won for the first time in 25 years without haren or mulder. five years later, we’re one win away from getting that chance again. so i wouldn’t say the trade did the club any gigantic disservices. we recovered.
by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 16, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
nix that. i misread your response.
yes, likely that we succeeded despite the trade. to phrase it more simply: the bad trade forced moves which led to a world series win. that’s the best outcome i can imagine for our crappy return.
by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 16, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This is like saying we are in the playoffs because Adam Wainwright had tommy john surgery.
Haren is better than Reyes/Weaver in the same way Waino>>>>>>>>Kylewin Jaxclellen.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
how did mark mulder have anything to do with the
I mean he was on the team, but he didn’t pitch in the postseason, iirc. He made 17 regular season starts with an FIP of 6. You seriously think haren wouldn’t have done better than subreplacement value for half a season?
I don’t see any reason to say we would not have won the ws without mulder.
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by tom s. on Oct 16, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mulder had absolutely nothing to do with us winning the 06 series.
and given weaver’s and reyes’ regular season, might have something to do with the fact that the team just barely made it to the postseason. The rest of it is the turkey shoot that is playoff baseball.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
no he didnt thats why i was confused
if you propose Haren would have been healthy that year..i dont see how he wouldnt have helped
because TLR
there was talk that the A's knew mulder was damaged
KIKO calero also went in the deal and barton? had mulder been the A’s mulder it may have been good.
Haren was beggining to be a loved Card who I believe relieved and started.
I also have a man crush cause he signed my baseball in seattle while in a Pujols jersey..mine was the only he signed perhaps cause i knew who he was in his warmups
because TLR
I see our ability to deduce injuries hasn't changed much.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Mulder's velocity nosedived in 2005
it wasn’t so much the trade that sucked, but the extension. Well, OK, the trade kinda sucked too. But Haren being as good as he has was kinda a massive surprise – IIRC Daric Barton was really the centrepiece.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yesterday I was all like, "hey the game tomorrow starts at three, awesome."
Today I was all like, “aw man, I have to wait four hours longer than that.”
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I'm ashamed to say I completely forgot about it @ 7.
That will put a dent in my Dexter watching schedule. I’ll probably have to miss an hr to appease the lady but I did that for game 2 in Philly & that worked well still.
by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Oct 16, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What happened with the start time?
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by peppermartin on Oct 16, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
it hinged on whether or not the ALCS would have game 7 today.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
FUCK!
I nearly murdered myself trying to get home in time. I’M SO GADDAM TIRED OF THESE GAMES STARTING SO GODDAM LATE. I love the Cards as much as anybody, but it’s such a fucking pain in the ass for us east-coasters who actually have jobs to get to bright in early – no to mention those of us who have small kids. FUCK!
Okay, got that off my chest – feel better. Go crads!
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by peppermartin on Oct 16, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rangers scored enough runs in three innings to win the World Series.
(no game 7)
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just knocked out a Zatoichi movie that I hadn't watched yet.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Love me some Blind Swordsman!
"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan
Anyone else watching the walking dead marathon?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 16, 2011 4:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
side note:
If you have Netflix they have season 1 on streaming, if you want to bypass the commercials
I love how he burns the Cubs...
There have been other NL Central contenders since the advent of the current divisional structure. But none has had the staying power of the Cardinals. The Astros were highly competitive, but they certainly aren’t now. The Pirates have been searching for even a winning season for nearly two decades. The Reds had a breakthrough season in 2010, but it didn’t stick. The Cubs? We’re having a serious discussion here; this is no time for childish pranks.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111015&content_id=25669574&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
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by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 16, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
lineups are up; Puma hitting cleanup
Surprised.
Furcal SS
Jay CF
Pujols 1B
Berkman RF
Holliday LF
Freese 3B
Molina C
Punto 2B
Jackson P
Nyjer in CF batting 2nd for Brewers. Let’s hit some balls at him.
just out of his reach
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey fang, Niners are 5-1. Rams 0-5.
Just thought I’d point that out since every time I said anything about the niners this offseason I could count on you to post “LOLOLOLOLOLOL”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
In the Rams defense they have literally NO receivers and Jackson hasn’t been healthy. Bradford has no help whatsoever.
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As Ryan Theriot would say
It is what it is.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
also, they chose to go into the season with the receiving corps that they have
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
also, if your entire secondary died, you'd probably have trouble winning anything
injuries are a bitch
Sig WIP
by hr on Oct 16, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I know the Rams have been hit hard in the secondary
we’ve had our share of injuries too. Blaming injuries for lack of success in NFL is laughable. Everyone deals with injuries. Rams just aren’t a good football team.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yes, everyone deals with injuries
but to say blaming injuries is laughable is ridiculous. Never mind, I’ll stop talking now because this is VEB.
Sig WIP
by hr on Oct 16, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Niners finished the game today with only 2 OLB available
started their number 4 receiver today and had to sign a guy during the week to have 4 WR’s available for the game. They have had missed games from each of their starting safeties and one of their starting CB and are down to a 2nd round draft pick who only played one year of CB in college as their number 3 CB right now.
Point is, injuries are something you have to deal with in the NFL. I know the Rams lost a couple CBs and Amendola, but that isn’t the reason they are 0-5.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
The Rams lost their ENTIRE starting secondary.
I can’t even begin to understand how the response to that is “So what?” That said, it is extremely obvious the Niners are going to win the division.
by Houdinimachine on Oct 16, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't follow the Rams
all I get are the little bits I pick up from tweets and from here. So I went and checked their roster and their moves this season. All I see is Ron Bartell and Bradley Fletcher going on IR. Pretty sure Quintin Mikell was signed to be one of your starting safeties and he appears to be active, so I’m not sure how they lost their whole starting secondary.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
"All I see is Ron Bartell and Bradley Fletcher going on IR"
That’s like saying “all I see is Holliday and Berkman on the DL”. Well, at least we have Corey Patterson!
Sig WIP
by hr on Oct 16, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, because those guys are perennial All-Stars
with fringe HOF potential. That’s not the point I’m arguing. There are four positions in the secondary. You’ve lost several CB’s, but not your safeties. What I’m arguing is that he basically said, to use the Cardinals analogy: “We lost our whole starting rotation” when in fact you lost Kyle Lohse and Jaime Garcia.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Even in your analogy, if the Cardinals had lost Kyle Lohse and Jaime Garcia this season, they would have basically been fucked
which is what happened to the Rams this year, again.
Sig WIP
by hr on Oct 16, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever, baseball time now
/leaving fruitless discussion for second time
Sig WIP
by hr on Oct 16, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
/waves bye
thanks for making a counter point and then announcing you were leaving the discussion. If you don’t want to discuss, skip over.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I realized that this discussion would just piss me off (I do NOT want to think about the Rams right now)
and I want to think about the Cardinals right now. You can argue with the other guys; I’m sure they’ll echo my sentiments anyway
Sig WIP
by hr on Oct 16, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Bartell and Flether are their top 2 corners
that’s a pretty substantial loss to lose your two starting corners, especially since you often play 3 or 4 of them per play on 3rd downs. You are down to street guys playing in those situations now.
I agree
I wasn’t arguing that. I was saying that isn’t the entire secondary.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Except it pretty much is.
Mikell can’t guard all the receivers and our second safety is probably below average as well.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 16, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that's on your management
you can’t claim that they are all injured when half of them aren’t. I’m sorry if you don’t think they are good, that just means your management didn’t put enough emphasis on those positions.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You know that means Justin King is our top corner right?
No, of course, you don’t. You probably don’t know who King is. And that’s the entire point.
Well it’s either him or Al Harris. Both are probably below average 3rd string cornerbacks much less starters.
And besides Mikell, we have Dahl who isn’t really that great. He’s ok, but if he’s the second best member of your secondary, he’ll get exposed.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 16, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
alex smith will come down to earth.
they’ll make the playoff, maybe even win a game, and then capitulate. whatever.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not predicting a super bowl
but, Niners are clearly head and shoulders above the Rams and its not even close. And the best you can give me is “whatever”. Nice.
I know you don’t follow the Niners, but they aren’t relying on Alex Smith. They are a running team that uses the pass to set up the run. All they need of Smith is what he’s given them.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
the rams rolled up 424 yards of offense today and had three points to show for it.
they had three red zone attempts and had zero points to show for it. they’re awful, what exactly do you want me to say? one of the biggest sporting disappointments in my life. the head coach and the GM are the biggest problem here, which is never a good thing.
i’ve never ever said this before, but i’m honestly starting to think that getting away from saint louis might be the best thing for the rams. i’m sick of dealing with fairweather and non-fans who have lived in saint louis all their lives but can only get behind the rams when they’re putting up 500 points a year. it’s just not a football town, which is sad.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
that will suffice
I’m just giving you a hard time because you would dismiss me every time I mentioned the Niners before.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
in fairness, i still dismiss the niners in terms of NFC, just not for NFC west.
the NFC is pretty simple this year. you’re the packers or you’re not.
In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of irreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
but we handled the supposedly strong Bucs pretty easily last week and just beat the unbeaten Lions. I don’t think we are on the same level as the Packers, but it sure is nice to see this team playing good football.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
the bucs suck. beating the lions is a nice win.
losing to the saints will make a good divisional game
In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of irreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
"not being a football town" is something that
Happens when football teams disappear overnight and go unreplaced for 10-15 years. Maybe the NFL should have thought about that before okaying the movement of the football cardinals to arizona.
home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 16, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this is true.
i’m obviously too young to remember the football cardinals, but apparently that pissed a lot of saint louis football fans off. then they were all excited to get the rams back only to fall off the bandwagon once they sucked. only to come back on it to fall right back off it when they sucked again. that is the definition of fairweather.
the biggest rams fans i know are all my age. unfortunately, there’s far too few of us. many people (say, fritz’s age+) stopped caring about football when the cardinals left, and haven’t passed on that football fandom to their kids. far too many saint louis kids my age who enjoy football don’t give a shit about the rams. had it not been for my father, i might be in the same boat.
In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of irreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
also
I think a lot of the indifference came from the fact that Bill Bidwell was the only owner who may have been less competent/more crazy than Al Davis.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I'm a bit young too remember how popular the football cardinals were
but my memory of them is that they really sucked a lot. Here in Central MO, I can think of exactly zero people who were fans of the team when they were around. In some perverted sense, they were the NFL equivalent of the Royals.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
i liked devaney at first.
but dude simply cannot draft. the rams need to clean house. again.
In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of irreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This start is mostly the product of an abolutely brutal schedule...
the team is fine. It’s an 8-8 team that will finish 8-8 and be better next year if they don’t do something rash like fire Spagnolo.
i said 9-7 to start the year....
but this team is going 3-13 or 4-12. we’ll start 0-7 and no way we finish 8-1.
In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of irreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
you think this team will finish 8-8?
that would mean you are predicting an 8-3 record from here on out…
The schedule gets easier but the team is completely decimated by injuries. I would say 2-3 wins on the season is likely
We'll see...
they’ve got a bunch of easy games left… I hope they go 0-16, trade Luck for a boatload, and have the backbone to keep Spags around. Kind of a tough combo to conceive of, but one can hope.
I don't know about Devaney
but I’m pretty sure Spagnuolo is doomed if they finish with 2 or 3 wins.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
FWIW
I am as much a non-fan of the stupid Harbaugh untucking thing as I was of the Brewers untucking. When it is “your” team doing it, you just turn your head and ignore it.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
jim harbaugh is a tool.
In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of irreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 16, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it wrong that I find it kind of funny?
By funny, I mean fang shoving his Niners LOLs in your face only to see it get shoved into his own.
Then again, the Cardinals have literally made it to where I care absolutely nada about the Rams.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 16, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and this was the point of the whole discussion!
just wanted to give fang a hard time. Sorry I stepped on the rest of you guys’ toes.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
mulder in 06 as discussed briefly above...
Mulder began the 2006 season strong, with a 5-1 record and 3.69 ERA through May 17. However, his next six starts were mediocre to awful, and his ERA ballooned to 6.09. He turned out to be suffering from rotator cuff and shoulder problems, and the Cardinals placed him on the disabled list June 23. In August he was taken off the disabled list and made several starts in the minors. On August 23, he made his first ML start in two months and gave up 9 runs, all of which were earned, in 3 innings.
After undergoing rotator cuff surgery, and with a return for the opening of the 2007 season unlikely, Mulder’s future with the Cardinals looked somewhat uncertain in the 2007 offseason. However, despite being offered comparable deals with the Cleveland Indians and the Texas Rangers, Mulder re-signed with the St. Louis Cardinals on January 10, to a two-year $13 million contract, with performance-based incentives and a club option that could take the deal to three years at a possible $45 million.
because TLR
I remember feeling more and more frightened with each successive round of "Mark Mulder will be coming back soon and he could be a real boost to the club!"
By the last one it was apparent they poor guy just needed to know once and for all that his arm couldn’t take it any more. Not sure why we had to prove this with actual major league playing time though.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
'Because getting Mulder back'
is just like trading for an all star pitcher.
You know Al, it really is.
I think Dan and Al had that exchange 20 times if they had it once in 2006 and 2007.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
All I want to do is watch baseball,
And I’m surrounded by hand egg. Oh well at least theres beer
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Oct 16, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the tigers losing has thrown a monkeywrench into my plans for today
which started with the misconception that the bears were playing a day game. now I have a triple scheduling conflict for tonight.
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
How does this fare for the Mottester (own personal nickname)
for next year? do you think he is bona fide? does anyone here think he can project as a real life closer on next year’s team?
yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man
Good question
it seems that right now he’s sort of a one-trick pony. It’s just that the one trick is really incredible. Only time can tell if he can develop his “second pitch.” And if only he had a passable change-up!
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by peppermartin on Oct 16, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he is doing just fine.
He isn’t elite but it’s not like he needs a lot of different pitches to get through 3-5 guys. If ge saw them multiple times a game that would be different
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 16, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TLR is managing damn well this post-season. Maybe all he needed was a bullpen.
by RedAllOver on Oct 16, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You can't get away with managing like this in the regular season
If he went to the bullpen this often their arms would fall off by the break
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 16, 2011 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they may fall off by the end of the Series-that-shall-not-be-named.
See 1985
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it's more that his choices are working out
and less that his managing is any better or worse than it’s ever been.
i just have a hard time convincing myself that bunting to bring up the pitcher working is anything other than pure luck. the exact same moves would evoke pure hate, threats of death and wishes for a return of shingles if the outcomes — almost entirely determined by luck — were any different
no chance of that
if we make the series we’ll be seeing quite a bit of theriot against the texas lefties
yeefuckinghaw
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 16, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea no chance of this.
But at least he will be.gone next year. I wouldnt mind seeing Punto just start the rest of the games at 2nd, or maybe even give DD a start v a righty, but with Skip out and all the lefties IF we make the WS, we still have to put up with him for a while.
by mick311 on Oct 16, 2011 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not implausible Theriot's back next year
I would think probably not but he has one year of arby left. I’m guessing he’d cost in the $4m range, which would be more than he’s worth IMO. I’d rather have Punto for probably about half that price.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
Theriot bitching about being moved to 2nd probably didn’t sit well with La Russa….it’s not out of the question, but his odds of returning are slim at best, I think….
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
hopefully. I think they'll either retain him or Skip, not both
and Skip is a lifelong Cardinal so presumably it’ll be him (though really I don’t think they should keep either, really).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip + Punto = Theriot (in 2011 dollars)
Skip & Theriot are Arbies. Punto is a FA.
Theriot is the least useful of the three.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
First time posting....
I mainly have just read the comments and articles on VEB the past few years. I guess I’m just overly excited by how this season has gone and am anticipating a good game tonight. Go Cards!
Wilkommen in VEBLand!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
HFS
Indycar race has been cancelled after 15-car crash on lap 12. Dan Wheldon has died.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
It was a brutal crash.
The raw emotion from everyone after the drivers meeting was hard to watch.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 16, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hour and a half to go
i have a feeling im going to be worthless at work tomorrow
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 16, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
pulling into parking at Miller
Listening to local sports talk radio, and the negativity is just incredible.
Go Cards. Let’s see the traveling fans celebrating behind the visitor’s dugout in about four hours.
WOOOOOOOOOO!!!
by Pegasus on Oct 16, 2011 7:02 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
@trenni
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The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Yount?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Or Fingers.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
who was the brewers slugger on the '82 team?
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Cecil Cooper?
It’s gotta be Hank Aaron, doesn’t it?
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
The former Cards on that '82 Brewers team
Vuckovich, Simmons, and Fingers
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Oct 16, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud Selig
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
I think he already did it in Game 1.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
I would believe this.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
I hope he's wearing his Vikings jersey then....
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
by nota bene on Oct 16, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Fonz
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Oct 16, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine it - Henry Winkler come rolling up on a Harley with a leather jacket and slicked hair
they would go bananas
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Oct 16, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
agree but still impossible as he's
moved on to the hereafter
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 16, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
gary sheffield?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 16, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
andrew bogut
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Oct 16, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the uke!
Funny baseball man
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 16, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
God please win tonight
I am going to be a mess tomorrow if we lose I have to wait all day for a game 7
I think we all will be.
Especially those of us who will be driving back from an evening presentation and listening to a static-filled KMOX broadcast. I’d rather not give the presentation with my mind on a Game 7 and not the material.
So, Cardinals, do me and the rest of the working folks a solid. Just win tonight.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Oct 16, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The Walking Dead!
Motherfucking premiere tonight!
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
That show started losing me when
No one, including the cops, was smart enough to pull security at that stupid camp they had set up on the hill, even after they started seeing zombies there. Seriously, no one thought to dig a fuckign trench? No one thought to find a boat and go to an island? These zombie fuckers can’t swim, I’d bet.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 16, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony pronounces Scrabble's name:
‘RA-ZIMP-SKI’ in pregame interview.
by mick311 on Oct 16, 2011 7:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Pujols almost hit the TBS set during batting practice
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 16, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
Not a maching
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Wow, apparently of just 25 total losses
At home for MIL, Marcum has started 12 of those games.
by mick311 on Oct 16, 2011 7:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
BCB North is really unhappy about Marcum starting this game....
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
Marcum won't lose them the game. He will be pulled before he has a chance to do so.
He could give up a few runs in the first inning or two but I am fully expecting Narveson within the first 2 innings if Marcum gives up anything at all.
anyone have any idea what Narveson could be good for tonight?
is 50 pitches crazy? hasn’t been stretched out in a game for almost a month.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
I wouldn't be surprised if he goes mutliple innings tonight
He threw one pitch Friday and a few more in Game 3,4. With Marcum’s short leash, I think we’ll see at LEAST an inning from him tonight
Sig WIP
by hr on Oct 16, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i was figuring at least a couple innings
just thinking about what happens if we smack Marcum around in inning 1
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Narveson-Saito-Loe, then if leading, Rodriguez-Axford.
That’s my bet if Marcum exits really early.
Makin' toast!
DING
Butterin' toast!
Jeez that bullpen is good.
The Rangers’ is pretty tasty as well, in fact. Better score early from now on….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, you guys are really tempting the GOBs here.
I see no way in hell that Marcum won’t shut us down and pitch about 8 innings now.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 16, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
At the first sign of trouble, Marcum's out and Narveson's in.
Barring a homer, I bet Marcum’s out before a run even crosses the plate if he starts getting into trouble.
Makin' toast!
DING
Butterin' toast!
I'd be pissed too if the entire season dependended on a guy with a postseason ERA of over 10
but then again, our season has depended on Ryan F. Theriot at least twice now
Sig WIP
by hr on Oct 16, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
See: Wolf, Randy
by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Oct 16, 2011 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea I would be too, he has been pretty bad lately.
Also, Narveson had had some success against us. I remember at least one start in MIL he had this year against us where he shut us down. I wouldnt push Gallardo on 3 days, because that would also mean Wolf on three days (and I wouldnt want to have to count on back to back solid starts from Wolf on 3 days rest with the WS on the line in game 7), but to me, MIL would be better off with Narveson, then Gallardo.
by mick311 on Oct 16, 2011 7:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i would be too
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 16, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Milwaukee is a baseball town, huh?
Must have missed that a few years back when I was able to get front row seats because no one went to the games.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Oct 16, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Beer is Great.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
I'm about to start in on my Arrogant Bastard
thank you, Stone brewery
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
is that stuff really worth $15 a six pack?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 16, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Arrogant Bastard is great
but i would hope you can find it for less than 15 a six. i can get the Oaked Arrogant for under 15 a six, IIRC.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
nah, i think it was like 16 for the Oaked, either way
Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
ive only seen it at Schnucks and thats what they charge for it
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 16, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
it must be the Oaked version
which I don’t think is worth the extra money. one of their less expensive six packs is the Levitation Ale, get that
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I just bought a bottle of it for $5 and change
do it for torty!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 16, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
it's about $5 per bomber around here
man, that stuff is great.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I love this group of guys on the Cards
And I’m not ready to not see them for 5 months.
Let’s get ourselves in the Series tonight.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 16, 2011 7:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sager Advisory System predictions
I’m gonna go with kelly green
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
hes got kind of a plaid thing going on
gray with white lines
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 16, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure it's programmed in...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Leo Mazzone level:
The entire left side of the Starbucks menu. Twice.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
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