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El Cielo es Azul, Nuestra Ciudad es Rojo

There's a certain buzz the city of St. Louis gets come playoff time when the Cardinals are involved. Random people standing in line at the supermarket want to talk about the game last night. Those who had to be up early for work and missed the latter innings go about asking strangers to recap the end of the game. (Or else they just stay up and grin ruefully as they purchase yet another energy drink at 5 am. Totally worth it.) The slightest piece of Cardinal-themed clothing is an instant ice breaker anywhere you go.

It's a good time to be a Cardinal fan, local and ex-pat alike. But I can't help feeling those members of Cardinal Nation not currently residing in the holy land are missing out a little bit; trying to explain to the cashier at Dierberg's why Kyle McClellan should have been left off the LCS roster may or may not sound like fun, but it's kind of special all the same.

The availability of the games, whether through the television or on the internet, have made it far easier to follow a team from afar now than at any other point in even just my relatively short lifetime. But a huge part of the sporting life isn't just the team; it's the cam

araderie with the people you see every day, whether shared joy or commiseration. You may see every pitch of every game, and you may read every bit of analysis available, but the Starbuck's in Flagstaff, Arizona is no place to bask in the reflected joy of your fellow fans. There's something missing.

 

You all probably think I just come here to vent my spleen and tell stories about fruit/vegetable- or small-kitchen-appliance-assisted sex, and you would be partially right. The other part, though, is all those people who love the Cardinals as much as anyone but don't have the benefit of a city similarly in love surrounding them. I come back week after week because I want to write something that means something to someone who may not have had that feeling otherwise. When you see that unbelievable play, or that dramatic home run, there's nothing better at that moment than turning to someone, screaming out, "Did you just see that?" and knowing they feel the same way. This place may be a poor substitute for the real thing, but it's the best we can do. It is my hope those of you in so many far-flung places have gained a little of that connection from the efforts here. It's the only real reward we get for this.

Well, except for Dan, who receives big canvas sacks of SBN money with dollar signs on the side like a cartoon bank robber.

Star-divide

Cards and Brewers, knotted at one game apiece. By stealing one from Milwaukee at home the Cardinals have given themselves home field advantage, and I'm actually starting to feel pretty good about their chances. I never felt good about the team's chances of beating the Phillies; I kept waiting for that rug to be yanked out from under my feet even as I acknowledged it was a tougher matchup for Philly than they would have liked. But here we have a team we know oh so well, and the Brewers simply are not the same team on the road they are at home. Why that might be I would not venture to guess -- and far be it from me to drudge up some of the suspicions which seem to have swirled around Miller Park this year -- but the fact is the Cardinals have taken away Milwaukee's single biggest edge in the series.

It's easy to be confident when your team looks as good as the Cardinals did Monday night. That being said, I still worry. I worry about voodoo curses and possible clubhouse-localised outbreaks of Legionnaire's Disease. (Though on further reflection I should probably worry more about widespread outbreaks of Legionnaire's Disease and less about very confined ones.) I worry about South Africa and Belgium going to war, with the cities of Milwaukee and St. Louis being drawn into the conflict. I worry Fox Sports will get Dan McLaughlin a spot driving one of the vehicles in a celebratory parade as part of his severance package, resulting in thousands of casualties.

Most of all, though, I worry about the team itself. As good as they look now, we've all seen the dark side of this team too. They played close to .700 ball in September, but I'm sure we all remember the .423 June. This team has played Sybil once too often for my tastes, or, at least often enough I'm still living in fear of all that could go wrong.

So, in no particular order as part of my court-ordered baseball therapy, I present you with the four things about this team that still scare the living crap out of me.

  • Holliday and Berkman -- It's easy to have missed it, what with Albert going berserk and beating the Brewers almost single-handedly, but the other two big pieces of the Cards' offensive engine haven't had great postseasons. Berkman hit the homer off Halladay early, but has struggled badly since. Holliday looks to be getting his timing back since his finger injury, but he hasn't exactly been bashing the ball either. I wouldn't be surprised if Albert has seen his last hittable pitch of the NLCS, and if so the onus will fall squarely on the shoulders of Matt Holliday and Lance Berkman to prove that a bad strategy. If those two can't provide the production, the offense could stall. We've seen David Freese and Jon Jay step up and do much of the heavy lifting; it's time for the big boys to make their presence felt. 
  • The Lefties -- Look, Arthur Rhodes has been a great pitcher in his time. Forget the strikeouts of Ryan Howard in the divisional series, I remember seeing him make Robin Ventura flat-out stupid this one time. Problem is, Robin Ventura is now managing the White Sox and Rhodes is still pitching to left-handed hitters, just not all that well. Really, between Rhodes' tightwire act and the intermittent control problems Marc Rzepczynski seems to be prone to, I don't have complete confidence either one can come in and get one huge out when they need to. Fortunately, the Brewers are so heavily right-handed the issue is mitigated somewhat, but there's no huger left-handed out in the game right now than Prince Fielder
  • Jaime -- Jaime Garcia's next start is set to come in game five, which has the potential to be either a clincher or a survival game, depending on how the next two contests sort out. Luckily for all of us, it will be a home start for Jaime, which has typically meant much better things in 2011. Unfortunately, the inconsistency and vulnerability to big innings almost completely without warning are both still definite issues. 
  • Jason Motte -- Watching Jason Motte pitch is a little like playing through Bioshock on Easy; you keep waiting for the moment when, "You know what? I'm just gonna walk over there and smack 'em with a wrench," stops being a viable strategy, and that moment just keeps on not arriving. Sure, you can talk all you want about Motte's second pitch, but that 91 mph thing he throws that really doesn't do anything except go slower than his fastball isn't exactly awe-inspiring. As a Cardinal fan who has lived through the sad ends of both the Isringhausen and Franklin Eras, I have a strong predisposition toward fear and distrust of the guy closing games out. It's nothing to do with Motte and everything to do with firsthand knowledge of how badly things can go when the man at the back of your bullpen can't be counted on to do his job. Please oh please oh please, at least wait to break our hearts until next April, Jason. 

Oh, and one more thing: I worry about the weather. Don't be fooled by the blue skies in the title; it's probably going to just rain its ass off today. I worry about that playing all kinds of havoc with the schedule, the travel, and possible pitching shenanigans the Brewers could pull against our beloved boys in red. So if anyone knows some kind of anti-rain dance I would greatly appreciate them starting it up. Or, failing that,a poorly-conceived business from the dustbowl era specialising in making it not rain we could go and hire using my time machine. Either way.

You know what I don't worry about? Chris Carpenter in a legendary pitching matchup. Carp vs Yovani Gallardo, tonight, Ree-Verse Rainmakers, Inc. hire permitting. Enjoy.

The Baron's Playlist for the 12th of October, 2011 (click for 8tracks)

"A Bunch of Lonesome Heroes" - Leonard Cohen

"True Love Leaves no Traces" - Leonard Cohen (I know I'm recycling both the Cohen tracks from a recent list, but I never got it uploaded and linked; plus, both of them actually feel appropriate to me right now.)

"Mr. Tough" - Yo La Tengo (my favourite YLT song ever)

"You Can Have it All" - Yo La Tengo

"Wildcat" - Ratatat (to inspire a big Berkman performance)

"Tropicana" - Ratatat

"The Neighbors" - St. Vincent

"Just the Same but Brand New" - St. Vincent

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What an awesome article

Being in Korea (but born in STL and all that jazz), I can totally feel the sucky part about being a fan away from the mother ship. Thanks VEB for helping me vent my frustrations with certain times and providing me an outlet to celebrate the happy times. Lets win tonight and the next two and end the Brewers at home in lovely Busch Stadium.

Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.

by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 12, 2011 5:54 AM EDT reply actions  

After the games, I try to come on VEB usually

and my Tigers buddy always cracks a joke about my having to hang out with my nerdy internet friends. Even going back and forth with other playoff teams fans isn’t the same if they aren’t as rabid as you are.

by RasmustheRipper on Oct 12, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

You capture the essence of the reason I come here, as a fan who lives in Washington State and Idaho before that. Thanks for bringing me into the community…I’ve only ever visited StL once, but coming here feels a little like I’m visiting every day.

by jim of beam on Oct 12, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you don't mind me asking...why a Cardinals fan?

I’d figure there’s lots of Mariner (and possibly Rockies) fans out your way.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

Chicago has no sports energy right now other than a gm being signed. sometimes I wish I lived in StL

do it for torty!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expatcardfan agrees with the suckiness of being away from home

Nobody here has heard of the Cardinals. And its a National League town.

by Expatcardfan on Oct 12, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furcal in the leadoff spot

Isn’t so hot, either.

His defense has been a plus, but he’s been mostly a drag at the top of the order. How can Albert drive in runs if no one is on? Sure, if Jay can double all the time, but he’s simply not going to.

He hasn’t taken a walk, either. That’s actually something also a bit scary, they’ve had all of 16 walks in the 7 playoff games. Granted, it’s the best pitchers pitching, but still…

And HRs by someone other than Freese would be nice. He has 3, Albert has 1, Berkman has 1.

by DiscoJer on Oct 12, 2011 6:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Furcal has some power but that's the only thing I really like about him leading off

which is an odd trait for a leadoff hitter. brewers are doing that too with hart though so it offsets.

do it for torty!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to go ahead and say it

Aside from the beginning of a lifelong feud with LaRussa, Holliday is reminding me of Rolen in ’06

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 12, 2011 7:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

So, he's about to get benched

and Craig is going to hit a game saving ball to Corey Hart, who is going to make an admirable but insufficient attempt to catch it?

….. I’m in.

by RasmustheRipper on Oct 12, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's super plausible

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 12, 2011 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know

He has a .389 OBP this post season. He hasn’t had an extra base hit, but that shoot to deep left-center is a Home run in most parks. Still, he needs to cut down on the strike outs.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

SSS

and he is playing injuried

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 12, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a big wildcard,

whether or not he can get to a reasonable level of comfort. When he responds the level of pain “depends on what you consider a lot”, that isn’t the best of signs.

by RasmustheRipper on Oct 12, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly,

is Craig not a better option right now? He was tattooing the ball before Holliday came back.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 12, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i sort of feel this way, too.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, small sample size?

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 12, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to say that

Craig’s “small sample size” alluded to by Valatan is fairly large – he’s been “tattooing the ball” (as Eckstreem noted) the entire season. His OPS was over .900 for the year. While that is slightly lower than the 1.058 he had in the last 18 games he played in the regular season, 219 plate appearances is pretty indicative of how he might swing the bat over the course of a game or series.

by stlfan on Oct 12, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

219 plate appearances

is a pretty small sample size.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually refering to the lack of power and assuming hit surprise us by hitting a homer just fine later in the playoffs in my first comment

The second comment was being playful with a playful comment, but Holliday missing a game because Tony doesn’t understand OBP (or he wouldn’t love Schumaker) and Craig hitting a HR is very plausible

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 12, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

TLR loves batting average, though.

And Holliday is healthily above .300 in BA these playoffs. I don’t see TLR sitting him.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Holliday is only good for avg and OBP

Then let’s bat him second or third in front of Pujols and Berkman.

Jay
Holliday
Pujols
Berkman
Freese
Molina
Theriot/Punto
Furcal
Pitcher

(or)

Furcal
Jay
Holliday
Pujols
Berkman
Freese
Molina
Theriot/Punto
Pitcher

www.stlcardinalbaseball.com

by Ray DeRousse on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It matters

But any sort of performance gain/loss is more likely to be due to random variation than because of the lineup

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It matters

just not much. I believe the analysis says that it’s something like a couple of runs over the course of a season.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 12, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's not only good for BA and OBP

He’s Matt Holliday. You are looking at 17 PAs. If he healthy, he should be hitting 4-5.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if he's not fully healthy

she should be hitting 4-5.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just the other day Berk was talking about Holliday as if his idol is MH

Give the rest of the order some breathing room when he’s in the lineup…and he’s getting hit’s. Also, remember the 1st half of the season. He can break out like Albert last game any game just the same as Albert did or Berk could do.

Still much kudos to the younger guys the rest of the season including the charge of past month plus we’re all witnessing.

11 in '11

Carp on Brendan

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Oct 12, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would really be happy to see Craig come tonight for either Holli or Berk.

Especially given that Carp’s on the mound.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Craig being a late inning defensive replacement for Berkman, either.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that too

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

How does a player hitting .313 with a .389 OBP in the playoffs at all remind you of '06 Rolen?

His .313 SLG shows that his power is nonexistent, which is unfortunate, but I’ll take .313/.389 in the lineup.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

World Series Rolen

I would happily take Rolen’s production from the ’06 World Series (.421/.476/.737), when he probably should have been named MVP over Eckstein.

by holden on Oct 12, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Furcal has had two leadoff triples this post season. I am more worried about...

Mclellan taking a roster spot. Let’s hope that for the WS he is left off and Sanchez or Greene takes his place, assuming Schu is still out. McL is a shadow of his former self — which, unfortunately, wasn’t all that great either.

by RedAllOver on Oct 12, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Great article

especially reading from the perspective of another midwestern exile. Pretty much everyone in my corner of the country are either O’s, Nats or Phillies fans. Besides myself, the only other Cards fan I know is my 3 year old – I’ve finally been able to get her to say “do it for torty.”

Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President

by peppermartin on Oct 12, 2011 7:54 AM EDT reply actions  

That's awesome

I just got my do it for Torty shirt in today. At the end of this season we’ll need a top 10 list that includes Torty and squirrels and Shingles and LohseRussa and B****** starts and YOU THINK ALBERTS NOT GONNA HIT?!

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 12, 2011 9:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

don't remind me.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally understand

I lived in DC in 2006 and it killed me that I couldn’t really find a place to watch the World Series with other fans (although I’m sure there was a place somewhere). I haven’t lived in St. Louis for almost 15 years now and it gets tough when no one around you is excited about what you get excited about.

I’m even willing to admit that back in the early 2000’s and the Cubs were in the playoffs the feel of Chicago was so electric that you wanted to be a fan. I even said to myself, “If they win it all, I think they might have me.” Obviously they ended up collapsing so I dodged a bullet there but there’s something intoxicating about being in a place that’s humming with post-season excitement.

It has been VEB that has seen me through the dark times the past 6+ years though and I’m grateful to lboros for having put so much time at the start and DanUp and all the other contributors for keeping it going and the posters here for coming up with ridiculous memes at a rate I wouldn’t have thought possible. Really does help to make you feel like you’re a part of the excitement.

by dontEATnachos on Oct 12, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

looking more and more like theo will be going to the cubs

too bad, i really liked the buffoonery of the Jim Hendry era

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 12, 2011 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea this could be bad for us

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 8:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's supposed to have "new powers" that he didn't have in Boston.

I presume that means there’s less restraint on his spending and acquiring and drafting. Could be a lot of fun to watch him spend and acquire and draft. We can do an over/under on how long before he gets the Cubs a ring.

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Cubs invest in Wrigley the way the Sox ownership group has in Fenway,

they could open up new revenue streams and spend at a level similar to Boston.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately for them they need space

And so far the neighborhood groups have resisted every possible way of getting more space for Wrigley.

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how much expanding Fenway did.

They put like $200MM into it, I think.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

They've already done a fair amount with Wrigley

with the RF bleachers a season or two ago. I think there’s something slated for the LF bleachers soon.

I know they’ve been pouring money into that old dump. How far they can take it with their space constraints remains to be seen.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 12, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know much about a model to make Wrigley generate more money.

I’ve read a little bit about plans to expand it that have been shot down. I find it amazing that Wrigleyville is about the only place in America where a major sports franchise hasn’t gotten what it wanted from the local government. (Also Minneapolis, Minnesota and the Vikings, I guess.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I forgot about San Diego.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

and san francisco

49ers have been working on a stadium deal for years to no avail.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

OCC is a dump and a hitter’s nightmare.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."

by MeSoHornsby on Oct 12, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Rickett's are not in the best financial shape as yet.

And Theo is the man the inked the so far ridiculous Crawford contract. I’m not worried. yet.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not either.

He’s made some pretty bad signings and on top of that, he’s going to be working with about half of the Boston Red Sox payroll. His margin for error is going to be much smaller.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Less money just means one less tool in the box.

Epstein’s demonstrated over the years that he’s really good at running a baseball team. He’s never had to do it with real budget constraints (although honestly, the Cubs are a top-5 market, so let’s not go exaggerating their budget constraints), but that doesn’t mean he’s not going to be able to.

It won’t happen right away, but I’d bet he builds a winner there.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Ricketts aren't quite as deep in the pockets as many were led to believe

well…..not where it matters, i.e., money available for baseball.

They get absolutely no cooperation from the city or the neighborhood and the stadium requires a ton of money just to keep it standing upright, let alone any upgrades.

Season tickets are hurting this year. Now, the Theo hire will probably kick start season tickets but with the economy hurting people more and people already jumping ship, they’re not going to get back what they are losing.

Honestly, I’ve yet to figure out why they haven’t started their own cable company. Seems to me the best and easiest way to funnel money into the organization. And they have the fans for it, so I’m not sure why they haven’t done it.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

They own part of Comcast Sportsnet

They can’t start their own cable company; they could only sell content to Comcast and RCN and WOW.

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah...i see. interesting

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

2011 Opening Day Payrolls

Red Sox — $161MM
Cubs — $125MM

Granted, the Cubs presumably will be looking to reduce their payroll and have some big contracts coming off the books (Ramirez and Pena), but it’s not like they are that far below the Red Sox.

by holden on Oct 12, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

2011 Payrolls

Red Sox: $164.822,475
Cubs: $134,004,000 ($144MM in 2010)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Payrolls

For anyone questioning the discrepancy between my numbers and bgh’s, mine are just MLB opening day rosters, while bgh’s (presumably from Cot’s Contracts) take into account pro rated signing bonuses. Either way, the point stands.

by holden on Oct 12, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily disagree

and believe that the Cubs could probably up thier payroll some for significant marginal improvements (see 2010 payroll). However a 23% (or 29%, depending on which numbers you use) difference is nothing to sneeze at.
I’m guessing neither ‘charges for soda.’

by Enigma35 on Oct 12, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, in retrospect, nobody should've signed Crawford to a massive contract

Joe Poz said it best, something along the lines of Crawford being more of an exciting player than a great player, and how sometimes the two are conflated (like with Michael Vick). Crawford’s a career .330 OBP and .440 SLG guy with good speed and good defense; that’s it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snort.

"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.

by StanTheManFan on Oct 12, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Balls of fire from his eyes.

And bolts of lightning from his arse.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Theo Epstein is seven feet tall!

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

two words: robot exoskeleton

Or a weather machine to control the outfield winds at Wrigley

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 12, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that -

Theo has made a lot of mistakes – Renteria, Lackey, Crawford, Dice-K, Cameron. Those mistakes have basically been overcome by successes Boston’s player development area – Pedroia, Lester, Papelbon, Ellsbury, Youk, etc.

There’s not going to be any quick fix for Chicago, imo.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 12, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

exact.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

I think Theo deserves too much credit for Boston’s ’04 championship and to a lesser extent their ’07 championship. For the most part, the major pieces were already in place (Pedro, Manny, Varitek, Lowe, Damon, Mueller, off the top of my head); Theo made a couple of savvy moves that pushed them over the top (Schilling, Ortiz).

The Cubs situation as it currently stands has very few parallels. They have very little in the way of starting pitching at either the major or minor league level, and there are a number of contract issues – mainly Soriano – that need to be resolved before the front office can begin to construct a championship-caliber roster.

This is a multi-year project…the majority of it will bank on the next few drafts and player development.

by DickViolent on Oct 12, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some talk of Zambrano going to Boston in the Epstein deal

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB doesn't want the deal to involve players on the major league roster

Don’t want to set a precedent with front office staff. They want it limited to prospects/cash

by dmiles on Oct 12, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, dammit

It could make this interesting.

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Many are reminded

that Andy McPhail was the Theo Epstein of his time.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Oct 12, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

His name was a failure joke waiting to happen

It was destiny

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 12, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

After the Garza trade, there are very few worth keeping in their whole organization.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. They traded away some of their best prospects, and the ones that remained had terrible years

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

starlin castro?

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darwin Barney should be NL ROY,

according to my Cubs fan friends.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

that .313 OBP is swell

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason, Omaha is a large Cubs market

I hope for the rest of my existance, I do not have to see them win a ring, and the next year of cubs fans that will come with it.

by GodDam_Hawkeyes on Oct 12, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever.

Something like this happens about every four years where cub fans start getting sized for championship rings in December.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and on top of it.

He’s probably going to hire Ryan Sandburg as manager.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

interestingly enough, there's

this. So, maybe his powers of deduction have been slipping.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that article a work of satire?
Instead, Boston’s three elite starters went soft, their pitching as anemic as their work ethic. The indifference of Beckett, Lester, and Lackey in a time of crisis can be seen in what team sources say became their habit of drinking beer, eating fast-food fried chicken, and playing video games in the clubhouse during games while their teammates tried to salvage a once-promising season.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Boston, what more do ya want?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, i believe it's serious

I’ve seen Goold link it, and they were talking about it on Mike & Mike.

Sox owners soon suspected the team’s poor play was related to lingering resentment over the scheduling dispute, sources said. The owners responded by giving all the players $300 headphones and inviting them to enjoy a players-only night on principal owner John W. Henry’s yacht after they returned from a road trip Sept. 11.

I wonder if Cardinals ownership ever let the Birds hang out on a barge in the Mississippi?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

playing with coal is so much fun

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

imagine if they won one more game over the course of the year...

Beer! Fried Chicken! Video Games! Camaraderie! Suck it, Stat Nerds!

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or, if they had one or two fewer injuries,

which probably would have led to another win. But, to put this all on mental toughness, effort, and leadership sounds pretty silly to me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

well...

there was a bit about the chicken eaters cutting back on their strength and conditioning exercises. The result was them putting on noticeable weight.

But other than that…. TEAM CHEMISTRY! That’s what was wrong with the Cardinals last year. And this year too. I mean, look at all the fun the Brewers are having. If the Cardinals would only have that much fun, they would win.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

if they're insinuating that the pitchers weren't even in the dugout during games

that’s kind of serious. we’re lucky enough to have pitchers on the top step even if they can’t throw a pitch.

legacy of Carp.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I heard

that the pitchers were in the clubhouse drinking during games.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

apparently they aren't insinuating. That's what happened

Per RR below… I think the implication is that they drink more, and drink after games. No drinking during games. I don’t remember for sure.

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny

I read it this morning; but there’s not much depth there besides the pitchers playing video games in the clubhouse during games.

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I put it up with some serious tongue in cheek in mind.

They had to blame something, so let’s just go to the old team chemistry thing. Although, if the players started not giving a damn, that would hurt your chances of winning ballgames. But who the hell knows.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried

Just because Epstein had success in Boston doesn’t mean he will in Chicago. The Cubs are made to lose; it’s good for baseball. Adding Epstein will just be another footnote in their long, distinguished, and inevitably fruitless attempts to win it all.

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Oct 12, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel weird getting all schadenfreude over the cubs

in the middle of our own postseason amble.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

precisely

I’ll worry about some other time, when the cubs are relevant.

by _pistol_ on Oct 12, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Just how successful was Epstein in Boston, though?

And how much of that success was due to Larry Lucchino and John Henry?

Theo has signed a number of bad contracts in his tenure with the Red Sox: The Lackey deal makes Big Z’s contract look awesome and the Crawford deal has the potential to make Soriano’s deal look pretty good by comparison.

In terms of developing players he did a great job (Youkilis, Pedroia, Buchholz, Ellsbury) and he made some pretty good trades (Hanley for Beckett, Victor Martinez, Adrian Gonzalez) — THOSE are the things that concern me most. The Cubs have a pretty decent scouting organization and have a lot of contacts in Latin America, much more than Boston does. I hope that he goes the route of spending ridiculous money on veteran free agents (his weakness) rather than building from the farm up and spending money wisely in Latin America (his strength).

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 12, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus, he had that cool computer program in Boston that made all his decisions for him

Read it in SI, so it must be true.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

And, like I said, that’s a real strength of his.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 12, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lonely Card Fan

I hear you about being away from the holy land of Cardinal baseball. Grew up in Little Rock and got infected in ’67 when I was only 10 years old. But now living on the other side in SE Asia, where today after many years, never have I met another Card fan.

I had a feeling about Carp against Doc, but no feeling for this one. Hope that is not a bad sign.

The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time. - Catfish Hunter

by klcard on Oct 12, 2011 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn it.

Pulled the wrong name out of the old mental bag.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 9:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Someone yesterday said it was Robin Yount.

I think the TBS October legends Brewers commercial planted a seed in folks’ subconscious.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want this.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is pretty awesome

It reminds me of those old pulp novel/magazine covers. I imagine a headline saying something like “How Uncle Sam’s Crack Lone Star Took Out Stalin’s Personal Baseball Spy Ring!”

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

He "lifts and separates"

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 12, 2011 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So he's Tide?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

A push up bra.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not what I meant to do

There’s a picture in there of Marcum watching Pujols getting congratulated by Holliday, and everyone at homeplate looks twice Marcum’s size.

by RasmustheRipper on Oct 12, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Lenses can do some weird stuff.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

that does look strange

funniest thing about it, though, is the gentleman in the first row in the yellow shirt with his arms folded, seeming in disgust. He already knows the game is lost!

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 12, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm browsing veb on an iPad for the first time

And I don’t get the hype. I can’t figure out how to do a damned thing on this pos.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Oct 12, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Also

How do I get the keyboad ot stay up so that I can z through comments.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Oct 12, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let me know if you find a way.

It’s been my experience that SBnation is not quite iPad ready. The thing is, with the adoption rate of iPads, it’s just a matter of time before every website is more compatible. I hope for an app, or html5 gestures to ‘z’ comments.

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Oct 12, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And

Is there a way to open a page in a new tab? Or get tabs at all?

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Oct 12, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

iOS5 drops sometime today

That should take care of the tab issue in the browser.

by avs18fan on Oct 12, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

iOS5 gets rid of the new window thing

and does actual tabs that you can manipulate

by avs18fan on Oct 12, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to upgrade it - work device

and I don’t really know how. This is the first apple product I’ve touched since about 1987.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Oct 12, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that seems to work.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Oct 12, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

what hype? I've never heard anyone say anything good

about browsing VEB on an iPad.

Indeed, the worst thing to do on my iPad is to browse VEB.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 12, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just meant the hype in general.

I’m a PC guy, but my office just got us this iPad to test usability with our business processes… The idea is just for us to click around and familiarize with it to find out if it’s something we can start buying for employees.

Maybe it’s my PC/Linux background talking, but this thing is incredibly un-user friendly. Everything that I try to do, I eventually figure out isn’t possible on this device… and the onscreen keyboard is awful for anything better than a hunt and peck typer.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Oct 12, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tablets are really good for consuming content

and lousy at creating it. It’s not a PC, it’s a different thing and the range of tasks that it’s good at is narrower.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 12, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can type around 60 wpm

on the ipad. it takes some getting used to, and some trial and error to get the positioning working for you, but it isn’t that bad, unless you have to use a lot of special characters.

browsing veb on the ipad is about the worst possible experience. sbn also, as far as i can see, doesn’t have a native ipad app which also blows.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The closest I've ever been to the feeling of fan comraderie,

was the Rams SB win. I don’t even like football, but when they went on their run, I just got sucked in. My only other time was ‘96, but I don’t really remember how that turned out. I followed the great teams of the aughts from here at my keyboard. It wasn’t the same, but better than nothing.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

96 was painful

up 3-1 on the 90s era Braves in the NLCS, in Tony’s first year as manager, and they completely choked it away. Didn’t just lose the next three games, IIRC they got blown out in all 3. That was my first fall away from home and watching that was an enormous bummer.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Update:

Donovon Osborne is still retired.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nuestra ciudad es roja...

After last thread’s discussion of greek and latin derived Spanish words and their gender endings, I feel it only slightly anal to correct the headline of this thread.

At least now, in some little way, I can feel that majoring in Spanish wasn’t a total waste.

"He's a one-tool player. And that tool is his mouth."
BCB post regarding Ryan Theriot

by fightin'_eyerash on Oct 12, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Yo La Tengo

is like a weird indie Fleetwood Mac for me, in that I really love almost exactly half of their output.

But, while I’m thinking up a playlist, I’m going to steal your reference and stick ’em on there.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i need to listen to "mr. tough." i like "you can have it all" a lot, though.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully you clicked on the link there

and were able to listen almost instantly, in which case I assume Mr. Tough is now your favourite Yo La Tengo song, too.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

City is feminine?

Damn. I’m terrible with Spanish (haven’t really used it since I had it in high school), but really liked the way the phrase sounded in my head.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rule is

that any Spanish word that ends in …dad is feminine

by Woodwork on Oct 12, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, I see.

I did not recall that rule at all. Gracias. (That’s correct, right?)

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Baron es muy malo a el espano?

If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!

by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

A mi es todo gringo.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

De nada

Living in Argentina helps. As a bonus: a lot of English words that end in …y become ….dad in Spanish. Ej. seniority → senioridad.

by Woodwork on Oct 12, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw IU!

Boiler Up!
and Go Cards. Though, I will say, an IU fan who is also a Cards fan can’t be that bad. Bucket’s coming back home this year though!

by ckeiner on Oct 12, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will be at the end of November

what’s the spread on the Wisconsin game this week? Last time I checked it was 40.
Boiler UP!
Class of ’96

by ckeiner on Oct 12, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

this like a tallest midget fight

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what i thought..

you know it’s bad when the door is wide open for a notre dame fan to step in and talk smack

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

at leats U of I is ranked this year

amirite?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

would be if I could spell, anyway.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

lemme know when you guys win more than 4

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I apparently fail as an IU student. What's a domer?

Then again, I only went to one football game and IU destroyed Illinois. Totally worth it.

by Houdinimachine on Oct 12, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you were talking about the shape of Assembly Hall.

I’m not a ND fan. I just had to get a shot in for the U of I since the football team has decided to win this year.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry.

TLR has already stated that he has no problem starting Carpenter on three days’ rest if there is a Game 7 after tonight’s rainout.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

So for folks with tickets

will “game three” actually become Saturday’s game five? I always forget how this works.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

I remember some folks talking about the ’06 World Series here, though, so they would probably know.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

In 06 I had Game 5 tickets

Game 4 was rained out, so my Game 5 tickets became Game 4 tickets, and Game 5 was played the day after.

Also, I got rained out of seeing the clincher. :(

by mojowo11 on Oct 12, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same for me.

I wonder how long I would have been downtown had I been there the night they clinched.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was there that night too

Not at the game, at Hooters. I ran to the stadium after they won, and they opened the gates and I ran inside. It was amazing. Got to watch the celebration in person.

by mojowo11 on Oct 12, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fellow Game 5 ticket holder

People tend to forget the rainout, and I don’t correct them when they Ooohhhh and Awwww over my framed Game 5 stubs.

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Oct 12, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just called the ticket office and asked.

The answer I got was yes, “I’m pretty sure it works that way, but it depends on MLB.”

I found that answer unhelpful. A guy working in the ticket office should know more about this than VEB does.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even worse.

Because then he should have know, AND he should already have explained it here, saving me a phone call.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The President is Black

My Lambo is blue

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Oct 12, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I haven't lived in SoILL in 22 years

So, the disconnected feeling is old hat for me. I get to talk with family about the games and I’ve got my wife hooked. All my friends are Buccos fans so at least we talk baseball.

Closest to camaraderie I get other than VEB and FR.net was on the honeymoon when we were roomed right next door to people from St.Louis. He had just recently become a hardcore Cards fan so we spent all week floating in the ocean bad-mouthing Theriot.

My wife doesn’t get why I’m on here during the playoff games but you guys have been my family for over 5 years now. The names have changed and people have come and gone but nobody understands BiPolar Betty and MOAR Runs, TWSS and Franklins like you guys.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

we love you too, HL

Where at in SoILL did you live?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's about an hour + away.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anna has a great music store...

Been there a bunch of times – love it… I grew up in Jackson MO…

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Oct 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was in Anna this summer

Man, its going downhill each and every year.

Atleast their new Walmart still looks nice.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

When one of my brothers would make mention

of our lack of money situation, my mother would always blame it on paying for a room at Anna. Because us kids were going to end up putting her in there.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Anna hospital is a great place to go

If you wanna die.

Bunny Bread has left town. Not much going on there anymore outside of hospitals.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that's what I've heard.

Too bad that all these small towns are getting in the shape that they are.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahem....I'm just saying (shrugs shoulders w hands up)
I was in Anna this summer

If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!

by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Heh heh heh

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

My hometown as well

Been in the DC area for a little over ten years now. Always a good showing of Cards fans when they come to play the Nats.

by bradyray on Oct 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

618! Represent!

DuQuoin native, SIU-C grad.

GA resident. :(

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by ldr on Oct 12, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

618!

Hail to the Orphans!!!!!!!

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a softy!

looking for free tickets to game 4

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 12, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am so happy you're here regularly again.

there was a period of time you stopped commenting as frequently and it made me sad.
and then i stopped commenting.
these things aren’t really correlated.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you get the email?

I got no reply from you.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes thanks, you didn't get my reply?

i can’t get the proxy stuff figured out in chrome

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 12, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've only used FF.

Somebody here has to know how to proxy through chrome.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey RB... don't fuck with tradition......

How about a NLCS playlist if you get a chance.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Rain and tonight

Really depends on how that storm coming up 44 hits us

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 12, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm hoping it won't be too bad they call the game

I’ll stay up all night in my SRO area for as long as they play

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 12, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

the sky is overcast

what are these cellophane lies

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It almost looks as if it could push more east and miss us...

but it could nail us too…

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Oct 12, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Theo ends a second curse

I predict that he’ll be kidnapped by the Yakuza. His body will be processed into powder to be sold at exorbitant prices to high-level executives to snort for good fortune.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 12, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hanshin Tigers will just throw him in the river

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read the article from the link above that has a subthread without logging in or signing up.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

ayup

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Los zapatos sont verdes.

For what it’s worth, in the check-out line at my Schnuck’s, random strangers talk baseball all the time, not just when the Cardinals are in the playoffs. What always amazes me, though, is the when the Cardinals do make the playoffs, everyone within a 100-mile radius of Busch stadium wears team gear and has a favorite bench player. My 8 year old niece said last night, “Yadi is like a god behind the plate, but everyone says Laird is a great clubhouse guy. I mean, when Yadi played first the other day, I was excited Laird got in the game.”

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Oct 12, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I would really like to see a counter point written for this article

Focused on the perspective of being either the only Cardinal fan in your area or on living in a baseball market boarder land. For me in East Central Ioway, there are about 33% Cardinal fans, 33% Cubs fans, 20% Brewers, and about 13% smattering of teams like the Reds, Royals, Yankees, Pirates, Sox, and Twins.

by Fred Stochl on Oct 12, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Living in central Iowa,

I know where you’re coming from. I’ve had quite a few folks come up to me in recent weeks to talk Cardinals baseball solely because of my cap or shirt.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Having a cards hat or shirt on,

sure beats wearing Hawkeyes gear in Husker country…

by GodDam_Hawkeyes on Oct 12, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here in MT,

baseball is but a footnote. If you go out to watch the game, 9 out of 10 times you have to ask the bartender to switch the channel from fox news to the game. There are a few diehard baseball fans, mostly being Yankees / sox fans, with a good showing of Mariners support, and lately, the Rockies.

Don’t even try to watch a game on Sunday outside of the house. Handegg is king.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

DanUp is the hamburgler

gotcha

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Rally Squirrel used for charity

They sold out in 45 min but should be restocked by noon

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 12, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

is anyone else alarmed by this:
thousands of new hats (complete with a Squirrel tail in the back)

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

please no........the rest of the country thinks we're about one step from Deliverance the way it is.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well it might work

this is a backwoods zombie flick. our ability to creep you the f* out is the key to success

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't look at it that way

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am a proponent of the zombie Cardinals narrative.

otherwise before, during, and after is just fraught

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

the rest of the world does to

sorry

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NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174

by Aranathor on Oct 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

so how many times will the BoSox interrupt the postseason with their big announcements?

this just in! Carl Crawford has a hangnail

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I know, right?

They’re like that one friend that everyone has.. “hey guys! guys!”

by avs18fan on Oct 12, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rally Squirrel?

DO IT FOR TORTY!

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Oct 12, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Awesome

That is one fired up lady.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what is torty doing on that V-neck?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this a picture of yourself or a significant other?

I am confused.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

My wife

who, upon hearing the story of Torty Craig and understanding that there was a T-shirt available off the Cafe Press website, demanded I purchase one for her forthwith.

She hasn’t clamored for a Rally Squirrel … yet.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Oct 12, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, well that is awesome

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

More harm than good

Of course there’s the enormous piles of cash to play there thing, but after that article and having so much instability, who would want to go there to play?

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Oct 12, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Aaron, Ryan Braun is trying to figure out a lot of things. still.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Braun was on the Cardinals, would we still think he dresses like a douche?

I can’t help but think of Ryan and his obsessive love of “Affliction” apparel.

Don’t get me wrong – I loved having Ryan on the team and playing SS, but good lord those shirts…

by avs18fan on Oct 12, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

the difference is, Boog accepted free shirts from a sponsor.

Ryan Braun started his own clothing line.

huuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point

wasn’t aware of that… you’re right.

by avs18fan on Oct 12, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

But if you look at it another way

Braun was smart enough to cash in on the business of taking money from people who want to dress like idiots.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

that can't be ethical

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

but smart... if you want to give him that credit

Personally, I’ll go with “lucky, and surrounded by smart people”

by avs18fan on Oct 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

smart doesn't cancel out douche

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

or, when the subject of money comes up

make sure you’re the smartest person in the room

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

shouldn't it be before the subject comes up?

so when it comes up, it’s “Hey, where’s our money?”

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So was Jay Z

difference is, one is a multi-multi-multi millionaire with such a reputation that his shits are solid gold. The other is Ryan Braun.

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NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174

by Aranathor on Oct 12, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

imperative, you!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's all counterfactual.

I’ll do what, when i want!

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game 4

I think I’m more worried about Lohse in Game 4 than I am Jaime in Game 5.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

If it does rain...

doesn’t that mean they’ll play five games in five days?

by guayzimi on Oct 12, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe so. The Saturday travel day would instead be Game 5 in St. Louis.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

That means...

Carp starts one game or starts again on 3 days rest…

by guayzimi on Oct 12, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming rain tonight, best outcome would be

reliever start, rain delay, then Carp if/when it clears up enough to finish.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

TLR has already said that Carp will start Game 7 on three days’ rest, if necessary.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

aw hell naw.

we need to be outta this in 5.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't there an issue with him not doing a side session or something?

maybe he should do that this time.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, of course

in general my level of worry increases as the quality of the starting pitcher decreases

by prophetjohn on Oct 12, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

5 games in 5 days= Lohse game 4 and Carp on 3 days if there is game 7

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that is true

If we went Garcia game 4 and Jackson 5. Not sure it makes much of a difference.

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heavens no.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

they're still the f'ing Cubs

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think our window remains the same.

For the next three to four years we will be competitive. Due to their contracts and farm system, I also think it will take about that long for Theo to turn the Cubs into a contender.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

it depends on Pujols

If we don’t get saddled with that mammoth contract, we stand a much better chance at being competitive for longer than that.
We’ve got Holliday for. what? 5 more years then we won’t have that hanging around are necks and he should stay fairly productive over that course of time.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's got to blow the team up

and hope to stock the minors with some decent talent for. It’ll be awhile before he can rebuild unless he buys a team

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 12, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

let's ask Shelby.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They were actually good at one time.

Of course, almost none of us were alive during that time period.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This isn't a reason for them to be bad forever.

The Red Sox were the Red Sox, cursed by the Bambino, until they weren’t.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think of one good reason why

Wrigley Field.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's the very definition of a money pit.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moneypit! The sequel to Moneyball! Starring Nicolas Cage!

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

although, we can be heartened by the fact

that some of Theo’s latest decisions have tanked pretty hard. That doesn’t mean that he still will, just that he’s not perfect at it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Theo is good but

He’s signed a lot of players to just as bad contracts as Hendry did while in Boston. Difference is he spent his way and drafted his way around it.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

To me,

the thing to watch is Epstein’s scouting and player development. If the Cubs are drafting and developing talent like Youk, Pedroia, Lester, Bucholz, etc., they are going to be very competitive, especially with the Cubs’ ability to spend on a top five level.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

they'd be like the pirates, except keeping their players.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drafting is one thing

developing is another. And the cubs have yet to really establish developing core players. Plus, while apparently having a very solid foundation in Asia and Australia, they don’t have much of a foothold in the Dominican Republic. Kind of backwards, if you ask me, but that’s what they’ve got.

I think they either just recently opened a Dominican Republic academy or are currently in the process of doing so.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have an academy in the Dominican

They also have a Dominican Summer league team and have for quite a while. The difference is that they’ve never wanted to pay the big signing bonuses in the past, something Ricketts should change if he’s halfway smart.

Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.

by fourstick on Oct 12, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMHO the thing to watch is his budget

if Tom Ricketts’ wallet turns out to be as big as John Henry’s….

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by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then, we'll probably be better off if he's allowed to spend.

Look at all his big signings the past six years. Nearly all are shit.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless Theo has billions of dollars to pay off all the cubbies bad contracts

we should be set.

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NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174

by Aranathor on Oct 12, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

The rainout is definitely stressing me out.

On the one hand, they’ve got their best pitcher going, too, so the effects of a rainout would be a wash (geddit?). On the other hand, nobody loves pointless gamesmanship like TLR, so I can absolutely imagine a relief-pitcher start based on what Tony’s private meteorologist tells him.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh joy...
@pgammo
Peter Gammons
Houston ownership change expected to go through in mid-November, w/ AL move.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

"w/ AL move"?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Ricky's going to be the only one left to call games next year?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're going to the AL?

I thought having 15 teams in each league made scheduling a nightmare, unless they go to continuous interleague play.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now you're getting it......

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they didn't want to do interleague play,

then they’d have to stagger team’s off days more, wouldn’t they? We’d have fewer days with only 4 or so games going on, but we’d never have a night when all the teams were in action.

I think that’s how it’d work w/o continuous interleague.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that can work, at least at the beginning of the season

Unless you are going to have a few teams start out with 1 game series (which the Cards are doing this year).

by ckeiner on Oct 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't remember exactly where I saw it -- I think Neyer talked about it sometime.

But I remember it sounding like a total logistical nightmare, essentially an impossibility, to do 15 in each league without significantly lengthening the season (like, by a month) or having some interleague happening all the time.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they can do the right thing

and ditch the damn DH since its a wuss rule. Make interleague play much more interesting.

by ckeiner on Oct 12, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get why the Brewers cant move back to the AL

I know the whole geography thing is playing a role in this i would suppose. If i were an astros fan i think i’d be pretty upset.

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Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.

by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 12, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because Bud Selig.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Selig's right on this, though.

Adds a potentially lucrative Astros-Rangers rivalry. His job is to make money for the owners.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then move the cubs to the AL.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting...

Wonder if that would help or hurt overall, concentrating the biggest markets in one division each. NY teams in AL, Chicago in NL, LA in NL or whatever.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO

because that would open the possibility for a 2015 WS against Miami.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Oct 12, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do we not already have those?

seems like a simple idea.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope...

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by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a tad large...

sorry.

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by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old Theo

gave young Theo a Gray’s Sports Almanac. and called him a butthead.

by WyoCardsFan on Oct 12, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's make like a tree and *leave*!

you sound like a moron.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the schedule for next year that has been released,

is garbage?

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by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard that the change would start in 2013.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, well.

apocalypse clause.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not.

I’d guess that the move to the AL would happen after 2012.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is just so stupid to me

They should leave the league the way it is. If they HAVE to change it, it should be the Brewers moving back to where they belong.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

but isn't the whole point to even up the West with 5 teams?

I mean, I suppose you could then move the Royals to the West (which, in all fairness makes as much sense as Texas or Houston being in the West) and keep the Brewers in the Central.

How about just expand and put a team in Portland and leave everything else alone? I’ll take the watered down rosters just to not have MLB turn into the NBA or NHL.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hear, hear!

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by vico on Oct 12, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd need to add two teams.

Two 16-team leagues.
Four 4-team divisions.
Division winners advance to the playoffs.

Scheduling can then be balanced however you wish.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would much prefer two 8 team divisions per league

Top two in each make the playoffs.

Four team divisions allow absurdly bad teams to make the playoffs way too often

by bailorg on Oct 12, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

radar links

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lsx
click to loop image: http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/uppermissvly.php

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Where is that cell in southern Missourah going?

NE to St. Louis? I hope it stays south of Busch…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

methinks there's nothing significant there until this afternoon

that’s the height of energy in the system, we’ll see where the volatility might slide.

just putting up the links in advance.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like this

hour-by-hour precipitation chance.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see a late start, though. who's tomorrow's starter?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

KyLo

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Oct 12, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That being said,

weather.com had a precipitation chance of 70% for the Iowa State-Northern Iowa game. And it sprinkled for five minutes during the game. So, it isn’t the best forecast for local weather.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

we

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

shall see where the conveyor belt lands it.

but not just yet.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The wait is excruciating.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

CDGAF

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

70% doesn't mean "intensity"

it means “chance of”.

So, it rained (sprinkled). I’d say them predicting rain with a 70% probability is them getting it right.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

screw it, let's start the game now.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

of all the days to rain...

it has to rain the day i’m driving back to stl and nlcs game 3 is supposed to be played. seriously when’s the last time it rained, august? fuck weather.

looking for free tickets to game 4

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 12, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I am so jealous of you all in the homeland.

Nobody wants to hear about my rationale for why we should start KMac tonight.

Do it for Torty.
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by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

That was Batista.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

Aren’t you missing some asterisks?

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Oct 12, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure if serious...

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 12, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yo

Great article, I have some of the same trepidations about the dark side of this crew. But hell, let’s enjoy the ride, and, here towards the finish, what a sweet ride it’s been. Whatever happens in the next 3 to 5 games, this team has given me a lot of joy – the kind of joy that only Cardinal baseball can bring.
 Go out there tonight El Birdos and make my life complete…

by deweydell on Oct 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

why is your avatar

a question mark?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's not cool enough for the interrobang.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good chance it's been mentioned before

But TortyCraig has been noticed by FESPN.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah, they've been milking it.

…..squirrels are mammals, ok!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Money quote
There’s also a prolific Torty Twitter feed, accompanied by a photo of a turtle wearing a Cardinals cap on a rock. Craig denies any involvement.

“I have no idea, I swear,” Craig said. “Somebody started a Torty account and that’s that.”

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i like that the squirrels were found near the visiting dugout.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Justin Verlander in St. Louis

He is the rainman. If he is get him out of here now… rain for us is bad news bears.

Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.

by letsgostlcardinals on Oct 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks pretty gross right now

Busch Cam

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

It's sunny.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks great

Tarp is not on the field!

by stlfan on Oct 12, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read Jim Edmonds's chat from FESPN yesterday.

He still feels a closer connection to St. Louis than anywhere else. And he is still really good at platitudes.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

....euphemism?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

worth a try.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Platypuses are mammals?

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

with a duck bill?

I have a feeling somebody crossed a stream there

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite the informative chat.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right?

“I like St. Louis. I also like all teams. Pitching and defense and timely hitting.”

I love you, Jim, but that was pretty boring.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have this sudden hankering for So Taguchi to randomly show up.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

...

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Show 07

I still power it up now and then and swap Duncan out so I can employ a Taguchi-Edmonds-Speizio outfield.

The good ol days.

by paposse on Oct 12, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

MVP 2003

Pujols-Edmonds-Drew in OF
Rolen-Gar-Vina-Tino on diamond

Usually Tino gets dropped even though video games don’t know how bad he sucked.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2011 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hey rain, I want to watch cardinal baseball tonight so don’t be a douche.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Question:

My tickets are for Friday, Game 5. If tonight is rained out, does that mean my tickets are for Saturday? Or are they still for Friday?

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Unclear.

I’m in the same situation. Called the ticket office, and short story: probably Saturday, yes, but we await word from on high.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

still friday, most likely.

Today’s tickets will be used on Saturday. That’s how they did it in ’06.

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by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd suspect that's how they do it again.

The theory being that using game 3’s tix for the eventual game 5 played later will only muck with the schedules of 40,000 people, whereas keeping the tickets tracking with the games will muck with the schedules of up to 80,000.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's sure what I'd think.

Although if it’s a suspended game (remember, all playoff innings played count) instead of an outright rainout, then I’d feel pretty shortchanged if I had game 4 tix and only got to see 7 innings of baseball. Shortchanged enough for a class action, even (or so MLB would fear).

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's correct, but all innings played count.

No rain-shortened games, but also no games canceled and rescheduled after innings are already played. In either case, they suspend play and finish 9 the next day.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The tickets are good for whenever game 5 is played.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

latest word

via p-d

If tonight’s game is rained out, Major League Baseball decides how the make-up is handled. And if the past rainouts are any indication, today’s tickets would be good for the unscheduled make-up game, which would be on Saturday.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

bastards better be getting it straight soon

I mean, I kinda need to know if I’m going to be taking time off of work to drive up friday or not

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, if no rainout/no push back

I’ll be leaving work early Friday, driving 3 hours to the game, enjoying the game, then driving 2 1/2 hours back home and getting up and going to birthing classes first thing Saturday morning.

If it’s all pushed back, I can just leave from the birthing class and be there earlier than I would have been if the game had been on Friday.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also hoping for push back.

It’s a long trip down from Chicago on a work day.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting…let’s hope its irrelevant and we get the game in. I’m up for staying up late to watch the game.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A lo hecho, pecho

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I'm not really sure if this is just a random comment or a critique of Baron's Spanish

If it’s the latter I’m not sure why you would use “estar” in this case unless “azul” and “roj[a]” can be used with estar as some sort of pun, like saying that you “feel blue” in English.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except that

“feeling blue” or “estar azul” means nothing in spanish other than actually being colored like a smurf.

2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
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by Paulspike on Oct 12, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, some idioms like that carry over to Spanish but I had no idea if that one does.

I was grasping at straws because I misunderstood prophetjohn.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont you mean..

agarrando a un clavo ardiendo?

(from google translate, not my stupid unilingual brain)

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Without the "a")

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by Paulspike on Oct 12, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This article is ridiculous

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7089969/seating-issues-irk-brewers-nlcs

I’m not sure if it’s just FESPN overblowing a non-issue because their beloved phillies and red sox are gone, or if this is a legitimate concern.

Also, fuck Nyjer Morgan. I find it amazing that he thinks he has the right to consider something bush league. Damn, I hate that guy.

Sig WIP

by hr on Oct 12, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Sitting in party suites is an obvious safety threat.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

bush league.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't wear any Brewers clothing or the crazed Cardinals fans will get you. In your party suite.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way I read that is only 150 were in the party suites

and another 200 were spread out throughout the stadium.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 12, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I still don't care.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently neither did many other teams.
The Cardinals say they have been doing this for years and this is the first time a club has complained.

In the Brewers’ defense, most have never played beyond the NLDS before. So they haven’t ever experienced their family and friends’ section not being right behind home plate. Apparently Giants, Astros, Red Sox, Mets, and Tigers players didn’t raise a fuss.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

350 tickets is a lot, too.

10 per player & coach?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Braun is from St. Louis!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It must be something like that.

Although it’s not covered by the CBA, according to the article. So MLB must mandate X number of tickets go to the other team.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole article reeks of a journalist searching a story, ANY story.

You get a juicy quote from Morgan, who is always all-too-happy to say some shit. And some other quotes which, given context, and most likely much softer than they’re made out. She fished for quotes, she got enough to go on, and wrote it up as a “controversy.”

I hate our media.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much ado about nothing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

Morgan is the first member of Brewers org quoted for attribution, go figure.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

their friends and family section was not behind home plate at chase field. it was on the first base side.

i was sitting in it. no one was complaining then!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lord, they're reaching.

The issue is that they’re not behind the nets? Um, okay.

Really though, I can understand the players caring, and griping a little. What’s most annoying here is ESPN deciding to run with it. They’ve chosen the SO MUCH BAD BLOOD ZOMG angle for this series, and nothing is going to dissuade them.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What really gets me is how they could be foolish enough to try this angle to begin with

They have been in the business long enough that they should have realized it would be a crappy way to cover the series. Maybe they just get the NL Central teams mixed because they don’t care about them, so they are confusing this “rivalry” with Cards/Reds? Maybe they were just caught with their pants down after the Phillies lost and this was the first narrative they could come up with on short notice? I’m trying to think of some reason they actually made the decision to run with this and I’m not coming up with anything convincing.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it generates more page clicks than any alternative.

With juuuust enough “there” there so that they don’t have to see themselves as the sports-media equivalent of TMZ. Standard operating procedure at the Worldwide Leader.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea its probably not that big of a deal but it does seem a little douchey. The cards organization should have just put them all together.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

money quote
While St. Louis fans have the reputation of being among the best in baseball, Melvin and the players conceded that it is better to err on the side of caution.

by tomsteele on Oct 12, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The idea that their safety is somehow at risk is hilarious

This is St. Louis, not Philadelphia or L.A. They are more at risk that nice old ladies in Molina jerseys will tell them how much they like Prince Fielder because he’s a teddy bear, but of course they love Albert Pujols way more because he’s the best. Oh, and they really need to try some gooey butter cake while they’re visiting our town.

We’re so nice we apologized for beating the Tigers in 2006, for crying out loud.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

their safety is a risk

just not in the stadium. Or from Cardinals fans…

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

from what then?

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

downtown STL w/ tens of thousands of baseball fans around doesn't sound particularly dangerous to me

whatever.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as they stay out of N.StL they oughta be okay.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, gotcha

the hallmark of the best sarcasm is when it goes over somebody’s head….

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right now

the biggest danger is probably from all the hippies camping in Kiener Plaza.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Oct 12, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

.

.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

we gave a standing ovation to the red sox for sweeping us in that world series that never happened!

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you are talking about

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I mean, hypothetically, they would have opened the gates

and let local Sox fans celebrate at Busch. If such a thing were to happen. Which it hasn’t.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 12, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that Onion story

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I remember there actually being an article about how cute and naive the Cardinals fans were

and how the rest of baseball thought it was just precious how they didn’t realize it. Couldn’t find it in the Onion archives though.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember how vicious and condescending Amazin' Avenue

denizens were about Cards fans — all fat hillbillies, decked out in red, preposterously nice, yadda, yadda. . . .

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

For 2011, St. Louis is ranked the 3rd most dangerous city in America, after Flint, MI and Detroit:

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-cities-2011-9#3-st-louis-mo-23

by olddomination on Oct 12, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the party suites?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Busch Stadium is safer than some churches I know.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Oct 12, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

blah blah blah

that ranking is bullshit and we’ve been over the reasons why. The FBI (who provides the underlying statistics) does not endorse the conclusions they draw.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and this has nothing to do with the unique and bizarre (save baltimore - another murder capital) political division

of the county and the city. i’m pretty sure that if you took the core 500,000 person inner city out of every american city, and left the greater metro area out of the calculus, that st. louis wouldn’t rank.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

you'd be wrong

I’ve lived in many of cities. St. Louis is bad. It may not be top 10 bad, but I wouldn’t doubt if it was even with the county included. Also working in St. Louis favor is that East St. Louis can not be include in it’s stats. Even if you include the greater metro area

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, see the brookings report

here

taking the city and suburbs together, st. louis compares to san diego, and is better than seattle, phoenix, and ogden, UT.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's bullshit

I’ve lived in San Diego. I’ve lived in st. louis. I’d walk in any neighorhood in San Diego at any time of night. I’ve spent plenty of time in Seattle.

You know what doesn’t happen every other day in San Diego? People don’t get shot. You don’t have arm robbers and home break ins every night.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

why yes,

your anecdotal experiences speak more rightly about the situation than a comprehensive study.

here are the cumulative neighborhood crime statistics for san diego in 2010. there were 4346 instances of residential burglary, which, according to math, is more than one every night.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

and here in st. louis

we’ve had 5,252 with three and a half months to go and a MUCH smaller population.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

your initial statement

was without basis or merit. that was my point. you said “people don’t break into houses in san diego” which is patently false.

now you are attempting to change the argument.
this is dumb.
i don’t really care that much.
your anecdotal evidence at the beginning of this conversation was bullshit and you know better.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

my initial statement was hyperbole.

Because any study that suggest there are 349 safer cities in America than st. louis need to go back and check their logarithm and weight to the data given.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

hyperbole is metaphor!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're completely ignoring the point of my argument.

if you added in the metro st. louis area, you’d have a MUCH larger population than the city of san diego and not enormous rise in the crime numbers.

the whole point of the argument is that while the city of st. louis has a small population, the metro area’s population is fairly large.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

still don't believe

If you add Bond,Calhoun, Macoupin, {really? Why would those be considered and not Oceanside?} you may get enough people to bring those numbers population numbers down. But I doubt it.

But yeah, A corn field in bunker hill may be safer than any place in San Diego. But I don’t see how that makes St. Louis city any last dangerous.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

just to make sure we've beaten this topic thoroughly to death

Here is a professor of Criminal Justice @ UMSL in an op-ed in USA Today. (No idea when it was published.)

Cities also differ in other ways that have nothing to do with their crime risk but can greatly affect their ranking. Pure geographic happenstance — the location of the boundary line separating “city” and “suburb” — is one. Some central cities are geographically small and do not include as many middle-class areas as do larger central cities. If they did, the added population would lower their crime rate.

St. Louis, where I live, is less than 62 square miles in a metropolitan area of 3,322 square miles and contains only 13% of the area population. Washington is only 61 square miles in a metropolitan area of 6,509 square miles and contains only 12% of the metro population. In contrast, well over half of the residents in the Memphis metro area live in the central city, which covers about 280 square miles.

A city’s crime rate equals the number of crime victims (the numerator) divided by the city population (the denominator). So if a Bethesda, Md., resident is a victim of crime in Washington, he is added to the numerator but not the denominator in calculating Washington’s crime rate. This circumstance artificially inflates the crime rate in communities where the central city’s population is dwarfed by that of the suburban areas.

For all these reasons, if crime rates are to be compared at all, the comparisons should be among metropolitan areas, not central cities. Doing so can change the picture dramatically. St. Louis, second in crime among central cities according to the new city rankings, places 120th in crime among the nation’s metropolitan areas.

(emphasis mine)

Here is a page from fbi.gov that directly addresses this exact topic. Read the whole thing, but here’s the conclusion:

Crime in the United States provides a nationwide view of crime based on statistics contributed by local, state, tribal, and federal law enforcement agencies. Population size and student enrollment are the only correlates of crime presented in this publication. Although many of the listed factors equally affect the crime of a particular area, the UCR Program makes no attempt to relate them to the data presented. The data user is, therefore, cautioned against comparing statistical data of individual reporting units from cities, counties, metropolitan areas, states, or colleges or universities solely on the basis of their population coverage or student enrollment. Until data users examine all the variables that affect crime in a town, city, county, state, region, or other jurisdiction, they can make no meaningful comparisons.

(emphasis in the original)

I think that should settle the matter.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude.

i’ve been to st. louis. it was scary. i felt like i was going to be murdered. i’ve been to san diego. it was safe and happy. i’m an expert.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are looking at this completely wrong

Instead of thinking we should including all the surrounding counties around St. Louis you should maybe think about lowering some of the area around other cities. Because the crime right in Macoupin county really should not count in favor of St. Louis

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This subthread sucks

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

your face is completely wrong

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

find a study that somehow defines just an "inner city" and examines the crime rate

there, then.

i objected to the original proposition that st. louis ranks with detroit and flint michigan for crime rates. i supported it wtih lots of citations. if you don’t like it, make a better argument than “st. louis feels like it’s got a lot of crime.”

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't even know why I'm arguing this
i objected to the original proposition that st. louis ranks with detroit and flint michigan for crime rates

Because I completely agree with you on this point. If you include East. St. Louis, West County, South County, and maybe just a bit north I would say that it would be Safer than those easier. And that would be about the same area.

Rereading the brooks study, it’s in per 100,000. Still, i feel san Diego’s numbers are highly inflated by the College rape numbers. (they really do love their rape there). When we have them beat by a lot in Murder, Armed Robbery, and Assault. (the other three of the four violent crimes)

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the word "highly inflated" connotes that considering rape is somehow

illegitimate or invalid. you wouldn’t say that the average income levels in the county are “highly inflated” relative to the city because people make a lot of money in the county.

if there’s more murder in st. louis and more rape in san diego, aren’t those both serious crime problems? neither is really “highly inflated,” just different.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think san diego's is a case of drunken date rape

where as st. louis is more of actual stranger attack rape. Neither are good, but one doesn’t effect you as you walk down the street.

Lets talk about baseball.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is probable one of the

more offensive things i’ve read on this blog.

yes. baseball please.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't meant to be offensive

date rape is a serious problem, and date rapist deserve the same server punish meant that all other rapist deserve. (i’m all for the death penitently in rape cases. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. But I’ll stop now.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

affect.

and i think this subthread should probably stop now.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and with that, I nominate this thread for contention

in the “suckiest VEB thread in the history of VEB suckfest threads” competition.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember the good old days?

When VEB made wholesome jokes about dead babies and Latvian women being raped by soldiers? We were so carefree and innocent then.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see how this is responsive to my post

you are now just dismissing the official conclusions of the FBI.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ruh-roh. and leonardo as j. edgar in trailers

is showing up during the ballgames.

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, if you don't see how it happens, you could follow the links and look at the surveys.

and the point was never to discuss “st. louis city.” the point was that st. louis city is – by reason of history – a unique (except for baltimore) and arbitrarily drawn geographic entity. comparing “st. louis city” to, say, cook county, IL is comparing apples to oranges.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indianapolis comes up frequently in these discussions

since it had the same central city/suburb split, but then reunified at some point, I think in the 70s. Indy is frequently held up as a model for St. Louis to follow, although of course that’s controversial, to say the least.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

you didn’t actually include a link to said study. Both of those are just links to the area defined

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i did provide a link to the brookings inst. study already.

i did post the same link twice on the other one. so here it is.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that link shows
St. LouisMo-IL NA **


**Not available.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the brookings report only shows the number of crimes committed

which is true san diego and st. louis are very close once you include all the surrounding area. It does not show the population of those areas.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

fine.

here’s the <a href="http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/MetroCrime2http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/MetroCrime2009_Rank_Rev.pdf009_Rank_Rev.pdf" >2009 survey.

st. louis ranks 103.

and the brookings study shows crime PER 100,000 residents. so, that’s a crime rate, not a raw crime number.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

clearly, its the brookings institution's strong anti-san diego bias.

sorry, the “i’ve lived there and it didn’t feel all ‘crimey’ argument” doesn’t wash. your perception could very well have a lot to do with where you lived within the city, when you lived there, and how you thought about crime at the time. that ranks up there with “i watch the games” as a logical argument.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think "appeal to authority" is the right term when you're citing to a statistical analysis.

“all4tookie doesn’t think san diego is a nice city,” is an appeal to authority, because i’m claiming your opinion somehow has exceptional value. “the brookings institution’s statistical review is more reliable than your gut feeling” is not an appeal to authority, because a belief that statistical analysis is more reliable than an unsupported opinion is not a fallacy.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i read it as all4tookie saying (sarcastically)

that because evilfrog is an evil frog, he’s allowed to make appeal to authority arguments, not that your argument was an appeal to authority.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

it was hilarious, i know

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i laughed.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watch the crimes, man

and I don’t care what you say about wMUG+ and Whuppings Above Replacement, you damn statheads are just failing to appreciate the poetry of a bunch of 16 year olds on bikes roughing up a grad student and taking his wallet. Yer ruining the beauty of the crime!

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 12, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

that does sound pretty poetic.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were a 29 murders commited in San Diego in 2010

Just in the metro area, which doesn’t include anything east of the Mississippi, there were 144 in St. Louis.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

bam

facts all up in this motherfucker

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, we're really scary

<a href=“http:// ”http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/article_61277f54-f4f4-11e0-a1be-001a4bcf6878.html#ixzz1aaa8pexR" target="_blank">http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/article_61277f54-f4f4-11e0-a1be-001a4bcf6878.html#ixzz1aaa8pexR" target="new">Per Goold

3. A source whispers in my ear that the downtown St. Louis hotel that is near the ballpark and playing host to the Milwaukee Brewers this week has mandated that its staff wears Brewers gear all week. Forget the fact that they are in St. Louis and many are from St. Louis, they are being told to don Brew Crew gear while the team is in their rooms. They will be an island of blue in the Sea of Read. No word whether the concierge is also required to greet the Brewers each day with “Beast Mode.”

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice link

that is ridiculous

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Westin?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also find it ironic:

Nyjer Morgan was bragging about how the “crybaby birds” will be watching the brewers in the playoffs.

Who’s crying about watching them play now?

Sig WIP

by hr on Oct 12, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Morgan might actually be the only person affiliates with the Brewers that actually does have to worry.

I’ve talked to several acquaintances that hyperbolicaly threaten him with bodily harm. This after several beers, so it’s hard to say how serious they are, but hey, a threat’s a threat.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cry Babies.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waaaah, motherfucking, waaaah

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post, rb. this is what i miss the most about living in STL

and exactly why i would have to go to st. louis to see a world series game, and not texas or some other closer venue.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Cards fans in Texas

At the end of the season and the start of the Phillies series, I was doing an antique show in Warrenton/Round Top, Texas. On game days, I would wear a Cardinal shirt. Many men in their sixties stoped and talked with me with the most common phrase being “I grew up listening to Harry Carry and the Cards.” I guess this is because of the Houston farm team, and that no other team was west of the Mississippi. Most were still Cards fans and wanted to talk briefly about what was going on. It really made me feel connected. My neighbor around the corner here is Austin is flying a Cardinal flag.

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Oct 12, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Farthest west and farthest south in the old NL

plus KMOX. And ya, there are still people in Houston who remember the Buffs. I have several friends and family members in Houston who are ardent Cards fans.

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you mean

“Nuestra ciudad es roja”

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by Paulspike on Oct 12, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

too

rec’d

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said I was up late.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coming out of lurk mode to say

I have all the Cards postseason victories on video from 2000-2006, so naturally I wanted to have this postseason on video as well.

I recorded game 1 of the NLDS – we lost.
Forgot to record game 2 – we won.
Recorded game 3 – we lost
Didn’t record game 4 – we won.
Made sure I did NOT record game 5 – we won.

So, the NLCS starts – I figure hey, it’s a new series and the old superstition no longer holds, so….

I recorded game 1 – we lost
I intentionally did not record game 2 – we won

As much as I want to have this postseason in my video library, I WILL NOT BE RECORDING ANY MORE GAMES!

Therefore….Cards in 5!

And thanks to all here at VEB for making this all so enjoyable. I don’t follow the gamethreads during the game, because I am too into the game. But I have stayed up half the night after each game reading through them.

by The Judge on Oct 12, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   5 recs

Does it still count if you say it out loud?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, for the love of God just buy the postseason videos

and don’t record a thing! Also, while I was away on a trip in mid September, my mom moved my Cardinals’ cap. This was about the same time where they started making the amazing run to the playoffs. Long story short, that cap is going nowhere

2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
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by Paulspike on Oct 12, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laserdisc only, sorry guys.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw a laserdisc player at a secondhand store this weekend and thought about buying it

just becase “fuck yeah laserdisc.”

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I own five laserdisc players.

I’ve had to stock up so that as they break down I won’t be stuck without one.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH MY GOD that game was so cool when I was 10 years old!

I think it was also the first arcade game I ever saw that cost two quarters instead of one.
And since I sucked at it so bad it was always the fastest 50 cents I ever spent.

by BTown Birds fan on Oct 12, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally.

But my super-special ultra-deluxe mega-limited import version of Akira is even better.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are so right.

and I am so jealous. Compression rates make LD literally the vinyl of video. If you have that akira, go by another LD player. you’ll never have too many.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really is incredibly awesome.

I actually have Ghost in the Shell and a couple other anime films on LD also. They’re actually not nearly as hard to find due to the fact laserdisc was such a huge deal in Japan. I have Army of Darkness, too, which is always cool.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in the process of making sure the inherited children

have seen all of the classics. Army of Darkness is next on the movie night list.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

marry me.

we’re both dorks. it’ll be great. but i get to keep the bf.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

Are you a girl? If not, this is slightly awkward. Actually, never mind. It’s probably more awkward if you are, seeing as how nerds typically interact with the ladies.

So, my answer is…yes?

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is it no one remembers that i'm a woman?

oh, to sweeten the deal, I have health insurance. and, yes, ovaries and all the accoutrement.

Hm. No, sorry, now I have to reconsider the offer.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i remember. we gotta stick together

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club

In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

you said it sister.

but, I think for a baseball blog, we’re fairly well represented and (usually, excepting rb) treated. One of the reasons I put up with this dump…

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

concur.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until zoomzoom's dad propositions you

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

there have been a lot of marriage proposals on veb lately

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Propositions =/= proposes to

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i thought he asked me to marry him

but you’re right, he just wanted to make a statute in my honor or something. but then there was also my proposal to davbid freese

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i remember, too.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I ever knew

you were female in the first place. And given my rather public anti-children stance you can just keep your ovaries to yourself there, lady.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, see, now i am reconsidering the reconsidering

do you think any fan of Akira is into having children?

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha!

I knew I would get you in the end!

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must say

That was the fastest on again, off again, on again engagement I have ever seen. I must applaud you RB for entering into such a 1970’s style open marriage. I hope you realize she gets half the laserdisc collection, the bf gets all the sex and you now have to support both of them with all those big canvas sacks of RFT money with dollar signs on the side you get.

So……Congratulations?

"There are three things the average man thinks he can do better than anybody else: build a fire, run a hotel and manage a baseball team."- Rocky Bridges

by That's a Winner on Oct 12, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

so's getting a doctorate.

that’s it. this sham of a marriage is off.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine.

But if you think you really are getting half of my laserdisc collection, then we have a problem.

A fatal problem.
(cue musical sting)

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

did not realize that

skimming thru the Wiki article on LDs just now. Comparing LD to DVD is interesting.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

slightly related..

I am going to a new bar in my neighborhood for the game tonight. I consider myself somewhat of a craft beer enthusiast (but by no means expert), and their draught list is super intimidating. Any recs from this list? Feel like this is up VEB’s alley.

North Coast Old Rasputin | USA
Left Hand Milk Stout | USA
Stone Sublimely Self Righteous | USA
Pretty Things Baby Tree | USA
Green Flash Imperial IPA | USA
Stone IPA | USA
Bear Republic Racer 5 IPA | USA
Bink Blond | BEL
Captain Lawrence Smoked Porter | USA
Ithaca Flower Power | USA
Victory Braumeister Pils | USA
Two Brothers Heavy Handed IPA | USA
Founders Red Rye | USA
De Ranke Saison | BEL
De Ranke XX Bitter | BEL
Pretty Things Jack D’Or | USA
De Ranke Noir | BEL
Emelisse Rauchbier | NED
Oppigards Well Hopped Lager | SWE
Mahr’s Weisse | GER
Oppigards Porter | SWE
Mikkeller Beer Geek Breakfast | DEN
Mikkeller American Dream | DEN
Hantverksbryggeriet Kosacken | SWE
Gueuze Tilquin | BEL
De La Senne Taras Boulba | BEL
Guineu Riner | ESP
Blaugies La Moneuse | BEL

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Old Rasputin and Stone IPA are great.

Wasn’t as big a fan of Left Hand Milk Stout as some are.

With a list like that, I’d be more inclined to close my eyes, point at the list and say “bring me this one”.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 12, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is my preliminary plan,

only with a snooty “Oh, I can’t believe you put the Oppigards Porter on the same page as Blaugies La Moneuse. You know what, forget it, I’ll just take a De Ranke Noir” – tone

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sublimely Self-Righteous is amazing.

one of my favorite beers. not for the faint of heart though. Beer Geek Breakfast is fantastic, Jack D’Or is solid, Racer 5 is a really good IPA. Had Flower Power last week, totally decent, but nothing amazing.

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 12, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Left Hand Brewery's

Milk Stout is a personal favorite of mine. Oh, and I hate “smoked” beers. Other than I’m no help. I’ve never heard of most of these.

by rdub on Oct 12, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a very strong list.

In addition to what’s already been mentioned, I keep the Founders Red Rye on regular at-home rotation (corner store nearby ridiculously underprices it, for whatever reason) and it’s a superb RyePA — favorite style of mine. The Heavy Handed is nice. I’ve also never had a De Ranke I haven’t liked, if you’re into Belgians.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya, forgot to mention the XX Bitter, love that beer

never had the Saison though

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 12, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

old rasputin is delicious

like orgasm in my mouth delicious

wait a second….that sounds really bad

like orgasm in your mouth delicious

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old Rasputin should be illegal

Mainly because I can’t afford it very often, but it’s so damned good.

by Houdinimachine on Oct 12, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stone Brews

Either one is good, and both go well with game day food. The IPA is lighter and high on the bitter index. This is a great micro with a fantastic beer garden on site in San Marcos, CA if you ever get there.

by CAredbird on Oct 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

where are you located that they have Pretty Things on tap? Jack D’Or is a really nice farmhouse ale. Well worth trying if that sort of thing is up your alley.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 12, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damnit this no-wheat diet is definitely not going to work out

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

why are you doing that.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club

In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep reading, half-slice

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

or rather

a saison. Had it confused with Fieldmouse’s Farewell, but actually, Jack D’Or is the better of the two. really tasty.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 12, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know, you're right

looked that up and I was misunderstanding the relation of the styles. There seems to be a tendency (in my experience with northeastern breweries) to apply the term farmhouse ale more specifically to a saison with a sort of grassy taste, but that doesn’t appear to be the actual meaning of the term.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 12, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

Heh. I wasn’t trying to correct you or anything by the way, I was half-assuming you knew something I didn’t. But that’s interesting stuff nonetheless. I wonder if part of it is just certain breweries not wanting to confuse people by using foreign words?

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saison Dupont was in my last 6-pack.

I got a blood test that came back positive, so I had a month or so prior to the biopsy to eat all the gluten I want,knowing it was highly unlikely I’d be able to continue… I had a final 6 pack the last few days.

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is good stuff right there.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

this coming from someone who doesn't know anything

about celiac’s, but what happens if you have gluten again?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, each time I have some by accident, I get a variety of short-term issues.

Inflammation (arthritis gets bad), insomnia, gut issues. If I were to eat it consistently again long-term, I’d have a pretty high risk of stomach cancer among other problems. All of it is related to a full-body inflammatory response.

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

well that's just terrible.

when were you diagnosed? how long had your problems persisted? were you at one point able to consume gluten without any ill-effects?

i am inquisitive.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was diagnosed in 2005.

I developed arthritis at 15, but other more common symptoms (gut-related, mostly) didn’t pop up until I was 22 or so. So, yes, when I was young I could consume gluten without any ill-effects, and as a teen I could without any of the immediate symptoms. Arthritis is a less common issue with Celiac’s, but mine is definitely related. The wide-ranging possible issues with it is one reason why it was not diagnosed very well in the U.S. until recently.

I actually was self-diagnosed initially. 4 doctors didn’t know what was wrong with me, including one specialist. I read about Celiac’s and thought it fit, brought it up to a PA, and she ordered the blood test.

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

queens..

place called Alewife…apparently has sister places in Boston and Baltimore. Just opened last weekend

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh cool

the sister bar in boston is lord hobo. That place always has a great tap list. I don’t have the money or hipster tolerance to go there too frequently, but it’s a nice place.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 12, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

for their first couple of months

Lord Hobo had 20 Stone beers on tap. That was awesome, but then they stopped doing that, and I still miss the b-side.

by brackenthebox on Oct 12, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, im looking now and prices are crazy.

But i’m pretty confident this place is a little too far off the hipster beaten path to be overrun just yet.

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

it just opened, right?

so all the hipsters would have cleared out by last week.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

where is this bar located

i want to go there.
thoughts are mine, scores are beeradvocate’s average and the scores link to the ba pages.
north coast old rasputin: fantastic stout; definitely recommended (4.27)
left handed milk stout: decent; very milk chocolatey (3.8)
stone sublimely self righteous: a wonderful ale, i like it quite a lot (4.21)
founders red rye: rich, red, and very complex (4.22)
pretty things jack d’or: very good saison, one of my favourites (4.03)
pretty things baby tree: i like this style, not this beer but i only had it once (3.86)
stone ipa: fantastic (4.26)
gueuze tilquin: this beer is pretty intense, mainly because it’s unfiltered and unpasteurized; tastes like dirty apples, but in a good way (4.07)
that’s all i’ve had off that list.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No idea

But I hear that lots of prestigious Northeastern raters inflate their scores. It’s all a racket anyway.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

the beer with the most reviews out of the eight i listed

only has about 2000 reviews, and we’re not sure ba scores normalize until 3500 reviews.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're welcome!

i love a good beer discussion. next time i’m in nyc i’ll have to check this place out.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love VEB

…nearly as much as I love beer.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Oct 12, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This list is ridiculous

I think out of all of those I have only had Left Hand Milk Stout and Founders Red Rye. Both are excellent in my opinion. Most of those I’ve never even heard of.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Founders Red Rye I love!

But anything Founders does is amazing…

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Oct 12, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw a squirrel on my break today

Already makes me feel better for tonight. The Squirrel looked like he didn’t give an f about anything.

Also what’s weather look like up there right now. My apologies if someone just talked about it. Haven’t read through every thing.

by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Oct 12, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I tried to high five one yesterday

when I was out running. It was a shy squirrel apparently.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was busy and had things to do.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried talking to a squirrel the other day

He cursed me out and told me to get the f*** back to the dugout.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's going to rain

but it’ll clear out around 7pm.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

o ye of little faith

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait... I want a rain out.

So, yeah, it’ll definitely pass. We’re good for tonight, I’m confident!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

why do you want a rainout?

wanting to see Carpenter prove he can pitch on three days rest?

Personally, a saturday Game 5 would suck. I’ve got plans to go to a show (Cinematic Titanic) and it’s a double feature. I want to be able to focus on the shows and not checking my phone every 2 minutes.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really!?!

You get away with that!?!

No way in hell would I be able to back out of some kind of plans because of a game. Wait….I guess I’m assuming the plans somehow involve the wife?

Shit….I’m just engaged.

How long do I have to wait until I can get out of plans?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Epstein to the Cubs is official.

I’m a little scared.

What is his first order of business on the roster management front?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 1:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

extend big Z

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Extend him a pink slip?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Re-sign Mike Quade

Extend Soriano for 7 more years
Full no trade clauses for everyone!!!

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make awesome free agent signings

like Julio Lugo, Daisuke Matsuzaka, John Lackey, Mike Cameron, and Carl Crawford.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sign Ryan Theriot and Skip Schumaker

Trade for Kyle Lohse and Jake Westbrook. Sign TLR for manager position.

2011 fWAR Final Results: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 2.6
Bilingual Twitter

by Paulspike on Oct 12, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm theo

I’m trading Garza to the highest bidder, locking Castro up, declining ramirez’s option (and convince him to decline arbitration), and trading Sean Marshall to the Cardinals.

Time to blow that thing up

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Theriot, Rhodes, and kmac for garza seems fair.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

also trade Starlin Castro for Josh Beckett

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

blow it up

blame next years suck on the Quade.

Rebuild from there.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds about right for MLB

Fuck with 120,000 people rather than 40,000. Good job.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Oct 12, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to say 141,000

Since there were 47000+ at the last game

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Oct 12, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't believe I keep clicking on that weather radar site

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody else cook with brown rice?

What do you do to make it taste less like cardboard?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Not cook with brown rice.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I need a low glycemic index carb for after workouts that is preferably not wheat based

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though white rice isn't a terrible option, its GI is higher than I would prefer

Maybe I’ll just mix some marinara into that shiz or something

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Just trying to go without wheat for a few weeks to see how my body reacts. There are some studies that show that wheat-based products can inhibit the absorption of other vitamins and amino acids and stuff. This will probably go by the wayside once beer is offered to me

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call.

Dietary experiments are fun.

Anyway, if and when you’re back on wheat: I slow-carb, with grains only after workouts, and I’ve decided bulgur is the greatest thing ever.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a product my company makes

designed to replenish glycogen stores post workout with low glycemic carbs as well as triggering muscle recovery:
http://www.sts-sports.com/Controller/ProductControl.php?product_id=67701

by ckeiner on Oct 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you want fast-digesting proteins post-workout

And slow digesting proteins, such a casein, right before you go to sleep?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's definitely different schools of thought on it.

It depends on how often you are consuming protein largely. A casein is definitely a great product prior to bedtime. If you are taking a large amount of supplemented protein (say 180+ grams a day) then it makes sense to take a whey isolate post workout, to get right on recovery. However, if you are only taking one drink post workout, a slower digesting protein will ensure that your body has a fair amount of free amino acids to drive recovery until your next meal.

by ckeiner on Oct 12, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm, interesting.

Thanks

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

My post workout shake

involves 2 scoops of Lean Plantein from Lifetime, which is a vegan protein combo of rice, pea, hemp, and chia which provides a complete protein. It uses natural vanilla flavor and no artificial sweeteners either. To this I add 15 ml of Total EFA which is a liquid Omega 3-6-9, 30 ml of resveratrol life tonic, 30 ml of tropical 4 (acai, goji, noni, mangosteen), and 10 grams of fiber (I use an inulin based fiber which mixes much more easily). tastes pretty good, mixes in a shaker cup with no problem. Oh, I also add 1 tbs of All 1 Rice Based powdered multivitamin.

by ckeiner on Oct 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I usually workout right before a meal

So I usually just do milk + whey, and then a low GI carb, a protein, and a veggie for dinner. And then lots of cottage cheese before sleep nomnomnomnomnom

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right on

I workout first thing in the morning. Pre workout just involves some beta-alanine, some BCAA’s, Nitric Oxide boosters, caffeine pill, and some vitamin C.

by ckeiner on Oct 12, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i was gonna mention this. quinoa is totally rad.

by dpmay on Oct 12, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will look into it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

what this guy said.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap

I wish I could rec this seven times.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it's a Seven Samurai reference

Katsushiro is this guy:

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm remembering right

The villagers have rice, but they give it to the samurai and eat millet instead. This makes one of the samurai upset when he finds out. But now that I think about it, I wonder if it was actually Kikuchiyo (Toshiro Mifune).

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something like that. Anyway, the instant I saw "millet" it made me think of Seven Samurai

So I decided I liked Continental’s comment a lot.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

I’m probably mixing up that part with the part where Kikuchiyo yells at the villagers for something or other. He gets pissed a lot. Almost like he doesn’t give a f***.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The part where he tells the villagers that things are going to be tough soon

so they should all go make love to their wives, then cuts to all the laughing, toothless old ladies is priceless.

#FireTLR

by The Continental on Oct 12, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That movie is a classic.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quinoa rocks

I made a fried tuna fillet with quinoa covered with a think home made pumpkin bisque the other night.

It was da bomb.

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by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you cook it?

If the answer is not “a rice cooker”, you’re doing it wrong

Sig WIP

by hr on Oct 12, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

microwave ftw

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

about 2 sticks of butter.

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by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You can rinse it, though that may start a small argument here.

Otherwise, salt before you boil. Can also toast the raw rice before cooking. And don’t use a rice cooker.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

short grain brown rice > long grain brown rice

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by tehzachatak on Oct 12, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you're eating it by itself, anyway.. imo

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 12, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

but not with others?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, long grain brown rice is better in groups of 3-4 people, and i recommend medium grain if you have more than 5

i thought this was common knowledge

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 12, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is short grain brown rice

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

whelp then i can't help :P

Here’s to the crazy ones. The rebels. The troublemakers. The ones who see things differently. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

by tehzachatak on Oct 12, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a good idea

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

even better!

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crisis averted, guys!

Marinara worked just fine!

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

depending on what you're eating it with, i find a squeeze of lemon is helpful

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

short grain > long grain, generally. Brown basmati is nice.

And work on the water/rice ratio. Different rice cookers vary, so experiment.

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

curry sauce.

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by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, now there's an idea!

Love me some curry

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

last night, did chicken strips, frozen peas, brown rice, coconut curry sauce.

good stuff.

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by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's gonna cost a small fortune to acquire all the spices needed though, yeah?

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

naw. you can get packaged curry sauces all over the place.

spices are not that expensive if you want to make some from scratch. onion, ginger, garlic are a good start. for spices, cumin, nutmeg, red pepper, turmeric – mix it up. you can find a generic “curry powder” in most stores though its quality will be suspect. if you can find packaged “garam masala” that’s a better start.

yogurt or coconut milk will be good additives.

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by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like brown basmati rice

it’s still not as fluffy as white rice, but I’m used to it and like it.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Oct 12, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article baron

As a Cardinal fan who has lived through the sad ends of both the Isringhausen and Franklin Eras, I have a strong predisposition toward fear and distrust of the guy closing games out.

I too am wondering when Motte’s effectiveness goes, but I am trying to enjoy it while I can, but I always have a sinking feeling each outing.

O.T. My throwback Stan Musial jersey arrived in the mail today, hopefully this is a foreshadowing of the Mang arriving full force in today’s game!

"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte

by GasHouseMang on Oct 12, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

How is iOS 700+ MB?

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

On the plus side...
Updates for iOS 5 will be released in delta form, meaning only the parts that change are what has to be downloaded. And because they’re smaller, they now come to you over the air and can be installed sans-PC.

linky

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by BigMOman on Oct 12, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

for future

Reference, chasing around a squirrel yelling rally squirrel pisses them off. It also garners strange looks from onlookers…

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 2:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

New TLR vid up on mlb, pretty interesting so far.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19885519&topic_id=25223708

Also, I cannot put into words how bad I hate flash advertisements that pop up big windows that “push” the rest of the page down.

Rams, Cardinals, Bulls. Life is good.

by JStymie on Oct 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

adblock

can’t surf the web without it.

by dugmartsch on Oct 12, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEB: We have every kind of nerd

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s not looking good. Son of a bitch, I hate weather.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think they're gonna try to play

but this stupid system is complicated and rain is going to continually pop up and disappear.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

curious to see how they handle it though, they canceled that ALCS game like 5 hours before game time… and apparently it never even rained.

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

terrific article RB
When you see that unbelievable play, or that dramatic home run, there’s nothing better at that moment than turning to someone, screaming out, “Did you just see that?” and knowing they feel the same way. This place may be a poor substitute for the real thing, but it’s the best we can do. It is my hope those of you in so many far-flung places have gained a little of that connection from the efforts here.

Goddammit, that is so true it hurts.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Not the same from afar, but still good

Great post recognizing how far flung some of us are. I lived in Asia in the 80’s and my wife was a Dodger fan and no one could understand why I was glued to a Reuters news monitor and checked the sports screen every two minutes in the morning while the night games were on. I felt the inner joy when we won in ’82 but no one to share it with is almost depressing. Here on the left coast I have a few displaced Cardinals fans I seek out when we get to the playoffs. San Diego games in ’06 were the best because there are always tickets for the visitors and sections in red. No luck this year, and no close sports bar with Redbird tendencies. My dog is a little sick of me yelling at the flatscreen. Enjoy it!

by CAredbird on Oct 12, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Terrible article, RB

I disagree with literally everything you said

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

How dare you question MY rice cooking skills

DO YOU KNKOW WHO I AM

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

ignore typo plz

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

DO YOU KNKOW WHO I AM

Sig WIP

by hr on Oct 12, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I ha knknow idea who you are.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What, just because you're Asian you automatically don't suck at cooking rice???

Positive stereotyping is still stereotyping!

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU THINK RUI'S NOT GOING TO FULLY COOK RICE?!!?

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Oct 12, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something something your mom.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I completely agree. This is crap.

Now, would you like to make fun of my half-remembered Spanish or my inability to distinguish between former Brewer greats and former White Sox greats?

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

About the location, it's so very true...

I was born in the STL area but moved when I was 5, lived in Central IL most of my life. All my family is still from the STL area and I’m still back around there fairly often, but it’s not the same up here. Granted, there are a lot of cardinals fans here — I’d say it’s 40/50/10, Cardinals / Cubs / other. Luckily, of the three guys that work for me on my team, all are Cardinals fans so I have people to talk to after every game (and of course texts with the cousins).

It’s funny, but the Cardinals are one of the only constants I have. If I think back through my life, I’ve gone through a lot of phases.. but no matter what, I’ve always been a Cardinals fan, through and through. That’s what you miss around here, even just a few hours away. There are baseball fans to talk to the Cardinals about, but not quite to the same level — not quite people who just accept the Cardinals as part of their life.

Rams, Cardinals, Bulls. Life is good.

by JStymie on Oct 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

For anyone with a few minutes...

I’m finally starting a blog; been wanting to do it for years, and hoping it’ll stick this time.

Would love for anyone to first check out the formatting. Pretty simple layout, color scheme; see what you think. Read the first entry if you have a minute; hope it catches your interest.

You can find it HERE.

Any input is much obliged. Thanks guys.

by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 12, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Format is awesome

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

If you are interested, there’s always room in the United Cardinal Bloggers. Email me if that floats your boat.

by Cardinal70 on Oct 12, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

would love that.

will be e-mailing you soon, sir.

by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 12, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like you need a new host.

One simple VEB plug, and the servers are overloaded.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is your blog called Powder Blue or Willie McGee?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's powder blue.

but that address was taken, so i figured i’d just get something cards-centric in the address line.

by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 12, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Three Latvian are brag about sons. "My son is soldier. He have rape as many women as want," say first Latvian.

"Zo?" second say, "My son is farmer. He have all potato he want!"

Third Latvian wait long time, then say, "My son is die at birth. For him, struggle is over."

"Wow! You are win us," say others.

But all are feel sad

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

...

Janis: I hope my son does not die during night.
Guntis: What is “hope”?
Janis: Yes. I know what you say.
Guntis: No. I am serious. What is hope?
Janis: In truth, I do not know.

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

these are all great.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys are weird

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is from years and years of oppression and poverty. Now VEB is feel sad.

But Latvians twice as good as Estonians! Life twice as horrible, and laugh twice as hard about.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

latvian jokes.

they’re all over the internet. and pretty hilarious.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live

Really close to busch stadium and I plan to play weather man when I get home from work.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

FOR GOD'S SAKE VEB! POST SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING!

I can’t take this waiting around. I need a new article about something, anything to hold me over.

And if it turns out to be a rainout, I’m going outside and punching a cloud in the dick.

by rdub on Oct 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Baseball topic: how much better is the Brewers pen than ours?

I think not all that much, actually. They’re better, but not head and shoulders better.

[insert shampoo joke]

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't think they're meaningfully better at all.

this might help.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Nice when people take the trouble to prove with stats the things you’ve intuited.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the funny thing is, Brewers fans seem to have this idea

that the alleged bullpen disparity is a massive advantage for them.

by Pegasus on Oct 12, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not trolling here - I think the bullpens are actually pretty close in ability

But I’m not sure WAR is the best way to compare bullpen quality because it’s so dependent on how much they pitched during the season – Estrada’s in the Top 4 in Brewers bullpen WAR because he did some starting, but if he’s pitching this week, it’s either the 5th inning and the Brewers’ starter got shelled, or it’s the 13th inning.

FIP might be a better measurement: FIP of the Brewers’ Top 4 go-to relievers: Axford 2.41, K-Rod 2.23, Saito 3.40, Hawkins 2.76. xFIP: Axford 2.85, K-Rod 2.69, Saito 3.74, Hawkins 3.42.

FIP of the Cardinals Top 4 (or at least my guess at the Top 4): Motte 2.48, Scrabble 2.72, Lynn 2.88, Salas 3.16. xFIP: Motte 3.39, Scrabble 2.75, Lynn 2.70, Salas 3.62.

Like I said, I think they’re pretty similar in ability: Both teams’ bullpens are quite strong. The big advantage for the Cardinals is that they have an effective LOOGY, though that’s mitigated by the fact that there aren’t any huge LHBs in the Cards’ lineup (other than Berkman, of course).

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 12, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fear of Arthur Rhodes strikes again.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey

these young relievers may bring the heat (as the kids say) but Arthur Rhodes was there when mankind invented fire. You can’t replace that kind of experience.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Oct 12, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean the big advantage for the brewers?
The big advantage for the Cardinals is that they have an effective LOOGY, though that’s mitigated by the fact that there aren’t any huge LHBs in the Cards’ lineup (other than Berkman, of course).

Because our lefts couldn’t get me out if I was batting left handed.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Narveson is "an effective LOOGY"?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

.657 OPS against

surprising number of walks, though.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 12, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dotel is going to see a lot of innings, I think

looks like TLR trusts him.

Lynn’s an interesting story, since he was hurt at the end of the regular season; he was on the 60-day, actually, so we were all surprised when he suddenly ended up on the LCS roster. Assuming he’s healthy (and he’s looked good in the tiny amount we’ve seen him), he is going to help quite a bit. (Lynn is good enough that he might get a rotation tryout in S/T next year.)

I think Milwaukee has a slight edge.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is their and our bullpen AFAIK
  • Chris Narveson, Marco Estrada, LaTroy Hawkins, Takashi Saito, Kameron Loe, Francisco Rodriguez, John Axford
  • Mitch Boggs, Fernando Salas, Kyle McClellan, Arthur Rhodes, Marc Rzepczynski, Octavio Dotel, Lance Lynn, Jason Motte

Obviously K-Rod and Axford are the stars for the brewers and they’re probably better than anyone in our bullpen. But the rest of their bullpen, I’d say, is pretty similar to the guys we have.

Sig WIP

by hr on Oct 12, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

more or less equal...

you’d have to slice it pretty thin to put one above the other.

by guayzimi on Oct 12, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

or just add some butter.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Psh, our bullpen puts butter on the top of the bread, which is clearly better.

But the Brewers put butter on the bottom, which is stupid and crazy. Those bastards.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew bobo would parse it out for us

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

but like we saw in Game 2, I think it's possible to hit the non-KRod/Axford section of their bullpen

Of course, the team made it look easy that time, but if it happened once, it can happen again, right?

Sig WIP

by hr on Oct 12, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think K Rod can be had

I have seen him load the bases or make a mess before miraculously escaping too many times.

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why don't they call him F-Rod?

he asked naively.

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

because he strikes people out.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be a great joke it you meant it

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, that was the idea. Why I added the naive part

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Axford blew the save in game 5 against AZ.....

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying they're invincible

They’re good, and it’ll be pretty hard to hit them. Of course they’ll get into a few jams; so will our BP. What I was saying was that they will pitch max 3 innings a game. The Cardinals should have plenty of opportunities against the SP’s and the setup guys.

Sig WIP

by hr on Oct 12, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who frequents Brewers web sites...

Do they think the Brian Anderson is being overly negative against the Brewers the same way some Cardinals fans complain that Joe Buck and Tim McCarver are anti-Cardinals when they call games?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I sifted through one game thread

And they didn’t mention BA at all. I assume that means they are satisfied with him. However they did complain about Smoltz bias because of his tenure with the Cards.

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yep

And I take that back about them not mentioning BA, when the Smoltz complaints gained some steam one guy pointed out “well uh the Brewers guy is doing PBP.” I think that basically ended the discussion.

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I complain about Smoltz too

but it has more to do with his inability to get words out of his mouth correctly.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

I did however stop by the phillies blog this morning. Holy hell are those kids delusional. They pretty much attributed the cardinals win on tlr bitching and then getting his way after the 25k fine. Oh and you would have thought carp pitched like scum on Friday.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Are they still on Howard's case

about how he didn’t out-hustle a torn Achilles?

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but it appeared some of them were happy to see him get hurt, or at minimum indifferent. They were even talking if he missed the entire an insurance policy would give them an extra 25 mm in free agency.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

When asked for a response Carpenter replied:
IDGAF

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will never tire of that.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

and no subject lines!

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching Jason Motte pitch is a little like playing through Bioshock on Easy; you keep waiting for the moment when, “You know what? I’m just gonna walk over there and smack ’em with a wrench,” stops being a viable strategy, and that moment just keeps on not arriving.

Thank you for being amazing.

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

by benjapal on Oct 12, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And thank you

for noting a metaphor I was sooo proud of when it came to me — and was more than a little saddened to see go unappreciated.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

from wikipedia (i screwed up on this, too, 'cause of rb (damn you! (not really)))

similes indirectly compare the two ideas and allow them to remain distinct in spite of their similarities, whereas metaphors compare two things directly.

simile:

chris was a record-setting runner as fast as a speeding bullet.

metaphor:

when Chris ran, he was a speeding bullet racing along the track.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite right.

Technically, a metaphor is a whole class of figurative language. A simile is a type of metaphor.

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay mr smartypants

what do you do, teach english?
/sarcasm

thanks for the clarification. figures of speech are always tricky to nail down precisely.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have few pet peeves with the language (as can be seen by my fang taunting),

but I found it useful to really discuss what metaphors do with my students, and in doing so, the fact that a simile is just a type of metaphor always comes up.

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

which makes it more confusing, i think,

than if you treat them as two distinct things. unless there really isn’t any such thing as “just a metaphor”. ‘cause technically hyperbole, metonymy, and simile are all metaphors. there may be more, but i don’t remember anything but those that end in the sound “eee”, haha.

is there a metaphor that isn’t a subclass?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

synedoche

which is kinda a sub-class that has general class properties. Aristotle and the rest of the sophists were really into taxonomy, but not always very neat with it.

Do it for Torty.
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by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aristotle was a sophist?

I find that to be rather specious.
Also, Synecdoche is not a part of speech, but it is a city in New York.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aristotle was not a Sophist

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by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i quote oedipa maas
mistype. I was writing about aristotle and also thinking of aristophanes.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant to write "I find that argument to be rather specious"

Which, see, is pretty much the definition of sophistry. But I messed up the joke. Tragedy! Turnabout, and recognition (which are both important parts of tragedy, but are also important parts of humor. I stole this from my dad).

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh.

so what type of metaphor would

when chris ran, he was a speeding bullet racing along the track

be?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a metaphor. The problem is that

“he was like a speeding bullet” really does the same thing, so when talking about how figurative language functions, if I teach “a simile is a metaphor that uses like or as,” that’s the definition they’ll use. Then I’ll say, “Great! And what’s a metaphor?” The response is, “Ah! Mr. Fink, that’s a simile that does’t use like or as!” and then I haz a sad.

It’s easier to understand that metaphor is a whole type of figurative language, and that simile is just one of its children.

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

so to you there are parent metaphors

that aren’t any of the children.

in which case i’d rather we just make all of these equal children of “figures” and “speech”. but whatever.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEB's favorite figure of speech: oxymoran

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

First man say, what is metaphor?

Other man say, do not know, what is meta for?
First man say, do not know either. Is something about children. My children dead. Still not know what a meta for.
Both men are feel sad.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha.

is funny because we are is no potato.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh, that textbook title ends a sentence with a preposition.

Better change it to “Metaphors By Which We Live”.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, I kinda sorta think I have reasoned out what you just said

But I think it’s best if we just stop there.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh,

this is always a fun debate.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

a simile is, like, a metaphor

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wonderful game

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry.

i almost commented on it, because it was awesome, but then i didn’t because i didn’t get very far on bioshock on easy because it was too scary for me and admitting that makes me sound like a wimp (which i am) so i didn’t compliment your metaphor.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's kind of odd about Bioshock

is they concentrated virtually all of the creep-out factor in the very beginning, with just one other area being kind of disturbing after that. The Medical Pavilion area is creepy as hell, but after that none of the other areas really even come close to that. Fort Frolic has a couple of really eerie moments with Splicer statues and the like, but really, once you get past the med pavilion area the game moves away from the really disturbing.

Unless just corpses and startling attacks are what you mean, in which case the above paragraph doesn’t apply.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't get past the very first door, i think.

where you get the very first plasma (it’s upstairs) and then you walk downstairs to open the door or something and then one guy jumps out at you and you’re supposed to kill him.

i screamed and turned the xbox off.

i am a wimp.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see.

Then yes, you didn’t get very far.

Well, um, I’m not sure what else to say here.

Oh, how about: you know how you have to hit that first guy with the wrench to kill him? On Easy, you can pretty much do that to every other enemy for the rest of the game, outside of the last boss and one type of Big Daddy.

Avoiding the wimp bit entirely.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks!

i pretty much understood the concept. i watched other people play the game. there’s something about playing video games myself that makes it entirely too immersive in some circumstances (such as scary bits) for me, but if i just watch someone else do it i’m fine.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

That’s interesting.

I don’t startle (like, at all; it’s really kind of weird), so most games and/or movies meant to be ‘scary’ sort of fall flat for me. Honestly, the only video games I can ever recall being really frightened by were a couple of the Silent Hill titles. (Was 3 the really scary one? I don’t remember.)

Recommendation for you: don’t ever, every play Silent Hill.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once a man's fucked a toaster,

there’s not much left in life that could startle him, I’d assume.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true.

I didn’t realise at the time I bought that toaster just how much it would change my life, and it what unexpected ways…

Also, your playlist is up.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's silent hill two.

but i’m not sure, having never played any of them.

i scare very easily. it’s comical to those who know me. scary movies are a no, unless people really pressure me into going in which case they usually watch my reactions and not the movie itself.

i think it’s because my brain has trouble with the whole “it’s just a movie” thing. i get really invested in stories, especially if it’s a visual medium, and when it’s scary it feels like it’s really happening to me and i don’t like that feeling. when i watch a movie, i feel like i’m in the movie as a passive silent character. it’s hard to explain.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm the opposite.

My suspension of disbelief skills are very underdeveloped, so frightening imagery doesn’t do a whole lot for me in movies and the like.

Except clowns. Clowns scare the living fuck out of me, any medium, any time, any place.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh my god.

i hate clowns. i blame seeing the cover of stephen king’s it (i think that is the one with a clown on the cover but i am not looking it up) when i was younger. i shiver when i see clowns. it’s terrible.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, IT has the clown.

Pennywise by name.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

shudder

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scariest

made for TV movie EVER.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't handle it.

And I was unfortunate enough to have one of those friends who loved Stephen King and would force me to watch horror movies with him.

I had a lot of nightmares from ages 8-11.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

why the fuck would you watch that movie?

i got nightmares from the cover of the book. i can’t imagine what would have happened had i seen any segment of the film.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was going to compare this to my first experience playing Resident Evil

then I looked it up and realized it was the same thing. I was like 10 when the first game came out, and i literally screamed and threw the controller when a Hunter (I think? the hard to kill green guys) came crashing through a window in narrow hallway in front of me.

by all4tookie on Oct 12, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

This was really messing with my mind for a minute there.

On a related note, I stopped playing Biohazard/Resident Evil because I couldn’t stand the damn control scheme and hated it and wanted to kill it dead.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right there with you.

It shouldn’t take 4 buttons presses/holds to shoot a gun. I gave up after about 5 minutes of trying and returned the game.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Resident Evil

succeeded very much despite the actual game itself.

Or die trying.

by the red baron on Oct 12, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget the atrocious camera

bad camera angle will have me throwing my controller before I even get to a place where I need to shoot something.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

apologies if nexdef'd

nice article on McGwire’s impact on the team here. Freese, Jay, DD mentioned.

I’m still kind of amazed that Mac has inspired so little commentary this season. It’s like the media has almost completely forgotten about him, and I think he likes that.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

well

except for that part about not teaching Colby how to hit.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh heh heh

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is amazing - he's been practically anonymous

wonder how McGwire would fare as a manager?

Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President

by peppermartin on Oct 12, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best hitting bullpen in the majors.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

teaching hitting

and making pitching changes/defensive positioning chages are two different things.

But I bet we bunt less.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Player-manager

He could pencil himself in at DH during interleague, and of course during the 2015 World Series against the Astros.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happened to Guillen?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

best quote
So many young players chase a bad pitch and then say they need to change their swing when in reality they simply need to stop swinging at bad pitches

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody else think of Jay as this 10 year old kid running around the lockerroom?
Or Freese would say “I’m so glad he’s here.” And that just as he does, Jay would run by and shout, “Me, too!”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont apologize

I hate the hate for “nexdef’ding” something, and I’m making a stand

NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hey, remember

when nexdef’ing was chitown’ing? those were slightly amusing times.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

True enough

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Also

How’s big Z looking?

And where is Duncan?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Last I heard,

they were both seen sipping coffee at a Starbucks in Seattle.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two words:

Dinger Camp

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 12, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicks dig the long ball.

I know ’cause Maddux and Glavine told me.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

have you guys seen Mark?

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Javier Bardem is the new Bond villain!

Me gusta

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i need line ups

or something.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe a rally beer.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same with John Lackey, Josh Beckett and Jon Lester

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This hubbub re: the red sox not caring is crazy

One of my “buddies” is a bandwagon sawx fan, and he is furious

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

<3 that movie

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is TortyCraig?!?!?!?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fredbird is Keyser Soze?

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

how the fuck did stephen baldwin manage to sneak his worthless ass into that movie?

was this between “bio-dome” releases?

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is more than one biodome release?

you’ve got to be shitting me.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

upon review, no, there was not.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corey Patterson had a career year once upon a time....

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a nugget

AdamMcCalvy Adam McCalvy
Kotsay starts in CF for #Brewers tonight, batting second.

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

T Plush

more like T FLush, amirite?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

T-Bench

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roenicke just read Moneyball

“Any of those winners from 2001 and 2002 still around? Wait…Kotsay?!?! Why he’s on our team! I’ll bat him second!”

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Oct 12, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kotsay?

what happened to Gomez?

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because

Ned Yost Ron Roenicke

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lefty

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 6:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Brewers lineup

Hart RF, Kotsay CF, Braun LF, Fielder 1B, Weeks 2B, Hairston 3B, Betancourt SS, Lucroy C, Gallardo P

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Or we will simply rue the day Mark Kotsay does a thing.

"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky

by monkeysareblue on Oct 12, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

flag'd

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

When did Hairston start playing 3B ?

If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!

by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Casey McGeeheehee turned back into a pumpkin

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Casey McGeeheehee turned back into a cub

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

you both sound like Michael Jackson

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by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

9,8,7,3,4,5,6,1

no real reason to point that out…just stood out to me.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mark Kotsay is so awesome at hitting and fielding a baseball.

I bet he has a four-hit game and three awesome catches in CF tonight.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 12, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

dashing.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Brewers lose and Kotsay plays a significant role in that

There will be virtual riots in the virtual streets. BCB will be burned to the ground. I’m not sure exactly how you burn down a blog (“To the SB Nation servers!”), but the commentariat will find a way.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 12, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

i am just commenting to say

that i love the word “commentariat” and thank you for using it.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We came close in 2009.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah.

and rec for “commentariat”

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I think you’ll understand if I politely decline your proposal, though. Once a Brewer, always a Brewer.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 12, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS!!!

Feel classier now? Or just dirty? Either way, VEB – you’re soaking in it!

by BTown Birds fan on Oct 12, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh. now i need a towel, and not in a good way.

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by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

towels are not to be used that way!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay for good defense!

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Punto!

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by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

more like kickoffo mirite

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

hooray!

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it when Tony gets into no-bullshit mode in the playoffs

so refreshing

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by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit

um, well, see, it was all part of his master plan to get a winning RBI and get Schumaker hurt, so that Punto could start tonight! Yeah, that’s it!

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

html fail

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

and theriot at 2B against a righty earlier this series.

tony sometimes seems to care, and sometimes doesn’t. i don’t get it.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm baffled by how much Torty and (especially) the squirrels have become a national story

Not bothered or anything, just very surprised. It’s not like goofy animal shit has never happened in sports before. (I’m glad there were no ads about the exploding rally pigeon when Randy Johnson pitched though.)

by BTown Birds fan on Oct 12, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spring training.

If it had happened in the NLCS or WS, it’d have been a much, much bigger story.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

the thing that makes this so funny is that its almost certain @tortycraig and @buschsquirrel are regular VEBers

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

@buschsquirrel is some dickbag TST poster

he signed up for VEB just to shamelessly promote himself a few times.

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by scoot on Oct 12, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh. when i saw the GOBs reference, i thought he was one of us

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

calling on the gods of linkage to explain

y2s
clank

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by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did not log in yesterday, and now you probably won't see this.

I don’t think it was the real @BuschSquirrel because he got the twitter username incorrect.
A week ago

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Oct 13, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually found my way here

Through tst, it use to be good over there but its insufferable now. I probably shouldn’t have admitted that.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i'm having a brainfart.

tst?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turf show times. The stl rams sb nation.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh.

yay handegg.
crickets

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The information there from Ryan is top notch.

And he contributes to it like 25 times a day. He works his ass off.

but, the comments section leave more to be desired.

and I’ve probably said too much………

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The contributors are excellent, I still read a lot of the material

the posters are moronic 8 year olds.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

although, it might be a good thing that whoever controls those two accts.

aren’t promoting VEB. it would become a nightmare, i’m sure.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 12, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of media time to fill

and networks are desperate for filler.

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The article seems to state that there has already been a Cardinals version of the regular "Legends Are Born" ad

But I haven’t actually seen one yet, and I can’t seem to find it online yet either.

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by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can find the Brewers and Tigers ones a lot

Can’t seem to find ours. My search-fu is lacking I guess.

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by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, I can't find it online either

but I can find it on my tv during every commercial break. It’s Carps’ game 5 against the phils.

by brackenthebox on Oct 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh for god's sake

that’s hilarious. Any video geniuses around here got a copy of this?

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"hey, we finally got a "Legends are Born" promo"

Kind of…

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 12, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

When they made the first set of commercials

They didn’t plan on the Cardinals in the playoffs

by olddomination on Oct 12, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously cant focus on anything work related

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

nice

I would rec for optimism but the mobile site doesn’t allow it.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

same.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently the tarp is off the field

but there is a rain delay in the ALCS. again.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks like a rainout is very unlikely

still could get a delay…..or they might have to play through light rain at times.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s git to be a carp dgaf about rain out there somewhere.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Needs the laughing picture

A little water?
Ha!
I am Carp!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

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by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I have read

if there is a delay it would likely be at the start of the game

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

radar predicts rain to be going over StL right around start time.

but being cleared out before 8.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 12, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So, if I'm reading this map right,

And I think I am, we’re going to miss the serious rain, but may be engulfed by the mustard gas that appears to be hovering over Wichita right now. Whatever, they can play through mustard gas.

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Oct 12, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

sez Unfrozen Caveman Meterologist

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Oct 12, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am eating the most delicious apple right now.

it tastes exactly like apple cider. wow. that is all.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

picked some a couple weekends ago

they were a little blemished due to the warm weather and being at the end of the growing season.

But they were awesome!

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honeycrisps are 2009

SweeTango (a Honeycrisp hybrid brought to you by UM) is where it’s at now.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing Ken Rosenthal in HD

….makes me want to punch him more than seeing him in standard definition.

by leefyg on Oct 12, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I was gonna rec, but I mistook for Kenny Albert

man, I can’t stand Kenny Albert – his voice drives me up the wall

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by peppermartin on Oct 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got to say though,

you can still bask in the glory of the Cardinals with fellow fans here in Springfield, MO.

2006, best year of my life. StL Cardinals AND Indy Colts win their championships.

by Sir Sci on Oct 12, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Columbia, MO is very much a Cardinals town.

I walked my dog right after we beat the Phillies, while wearing my Berkman jersey. Fellow pedestrians were giving me high fives, car passengers screamed “GO CARDINALS!”, my neighborhood was filled with the sounds of merriment, it was quite enjoyable. It is easy to find bars filled with Cardinals fans, especially during the playoffs.

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by SheckieZx on Oct 12, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

A vocal minority

Though it’s hard to say given that they are the Royals and haven’t had a game that matters since I’ve been alive.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 12, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are a few

mostly college students from KC. Not very vocal in my opinion.

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by BigMOman on Oct 12, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My roomate's actually a Royals fan.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 12, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

Am I looking at the radar wrong, or is the rain gonna miss St. Louis?

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by VolsnCards5 on Oct 12, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It will if the collective hopes and dreams of VEB have anything to say about it!

(Also, it looks like that to me too, although there’s now some shit popping up in west-central MO.)

by BTown Birds fan on Oct 12, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you get dirty, you get grit points

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a hilarious mental image.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fantastic article

And timely. Wore my Cards shirt when I took my Dad to the dentist.

Receptionist: Go Cards!
Me: Go Cards. Whaddaya think about tonight?
Receptionist: Carp brings it home, Berkman breaks out of his slump tonight.
Me: I hope so. Sure hope it doesn’t rain, would hate to waste Carp if there’s a long delay.
Receptionist: Because that means McClellan pitches. Why did Tony add him to the LCS roster?
Me: Do you read Viva El Birdos?
 

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by Ted Glover on Oct 12, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Finish the story!

I’m on pins and needles here

by leefyg on Oct 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew Brown is a Rockie.

it’s on mlbtr and I don’t really feel like linking it….

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by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

oh man

link

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

try this one

Kind of a bummer, but probably a good move by the Rox. Couldn’t they have just DFA’d Patterson? Sucks to just lose him and not get anything in return.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops.

i’m not sure how i did that, since i copied the url while i was at mlbtr.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown is good.

But I’m not sorry to see a “27 year old Rookie we don’t have a spot for because of Craig” go.

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by Red Blazer on Oct 12, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosemary the telephone operator?

Sarge?
Henry the mild mannered janitor?

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by Aranathor on Oct 12, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is second time I've seen this lately.

Well done.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is Andrew Brown?

You don’t remember Amos and Andy?

by ridgesee on Oct 12, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

is anyone following the twitterz?

apparently MLB has said that they will not start the game on time if it looks like there is going to be a long delay. they don’t want to burn the starting pitchers.

….

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this appeal-to-authority?

The weather is like the metaphorical roll of the dice. Or maybe the weather is a batch of rice; you can watch it closely and it will still get screwed up.
I think I need a beer.

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by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Weather nerds.

I’m reminded of those old Mike Bush/Bob Richards “sports and weather” ads where Mike would school Bob at some sporting event, but then the narrator would say,

“And Bob is…WEATHERMAN.”

and Richards would invoke all sorts of weather-related powers to twist the result back into his favor.

God, I’m old.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

R.I.P.

Bob Richards was the man.

by matt man on Oct 12, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also,

his weather raps on Phillips & Wall in the morning on Y98 were riotously funny to my grade school self.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

was he the guy who died in the plane crash?

i remember that.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was him.

It was a weird, weird situation. As I recall, his wife caught him cheating and was getting ready to file for divorce. There was a theory/idea/consensus that he committed suicide by crashing his plane because of it.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

then no one could stop Mike Bush

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'ing this too.

Because he was the man.

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- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Oct 12, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

update @ 4pm

At this time precipitation over area is not particularly widespread…but
aforementioned deepening of trough/shortwave energy directly over the
area should allow additional development to occur during the evening
hours…especially from eastern Missouri into S Illinois…and it
certainly possible that at least some of tonights precipitation will will
develop in situ.
Its also possible that the back edge of the precipitation
will be slow moving due to the continued digging of the shortwaves
slowing the progression of the trough…and “back edge” of probability of precipitation both
tonight and Thursday was tweeked with this trend in mind.

An additional element to tonights precipitation threat should come from
surface based convection that is beginning to form over the next few
hours over western MO…where convergence along surface trough/cold
front is juxtaposed with increasing instability. These storms will
certainly have some severe potential to our west…but as they
slowly work into our County Warning Area believe storm intensity will be greatly
reduced given the lack of instability due to extensive cloud cover
this afternoon.

Net result of above thinking is that we have not made any major
changes to probability of precipitation…essentially likely probability of precipitation or greater along and east
of a Quincy-Centerville…with scattered probability of precipitation over our west counties.

tl;dr: it’s going to rain in St. Louis tonight. How much and when, still unknown.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus christ, weather nerds use more complex language than lawyers.

I’m some strange mix of impressed and saddened.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the tl;dr

because otherwise i would have no idea what any of that meant.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the things they're saying is that

STL could get rain from the west, or it could develop over St. Louis, so staring at existing rain on the radar is unlikely to tell you much.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

How's the weather in the ol' us and a?

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by Aranathor on Oct 12, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

not sure it will be played,

but we’re hopeful. we are audacious.

il nous faut de l’audace, et encore de l’audace, et toujours de l’audace

it looks like most of the rain will be south of st louis.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awwwwww. . . .

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by vico on Oct 12, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is one

cute cartoon squirrel

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NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174

by Aranathor on Oct 12, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The better to crack nuts with

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by vico on Oct 12, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

baseball

of the american league variety is underway

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

is it raining?

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NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174

by Aranathor on Oct 12, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Impossible, since you still have cell phone service

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

team taking bp?

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by vico on Oct 12, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

aj pierzynski admits to drinking beer during games

because sometimes he’s “just not a big enough asshole without chemical assistance”

i appreciate calcaterra’s efforts to defang some of the boston story, but “you’re not any worse than aj pierzynski” is the least reassuring thing i’ve ever herad.

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by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

can we get those little thumbs up and thumbs down for comments on veb?

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

mysterui likes this post

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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would really prefer we not.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Oct 12, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is it the Red Sox still find a way to be relevant in the postseason

And correct me if I’m wrong, but all this Theo Epstein bullshit, even the Ventura signing….I thought major announcements were not supposed to happen during the postseason as it takes away from the teams who are playing.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 12, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

no kidding

I thought there was supposed to be an embargo on this shit during the postseason

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Pierzynski's quote -
It’s just, sometimes you just need a rally beer.

Thank god the White Sox didn’t make the playoffs, or we’d have some competition for the rally squirrel.

Makin' toast!

DING

Butterin' toast!

by dronemc on Oct 12, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

he did this in the ALDS also

and he got like 9 k’s in that game. but yeah uh i don’t recall him throwing this hard in the regular season.

by Wombat x on Oct 12, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ryan howard news

@ToddZolecki Todd Zolecki
by Buster_ESPN
Ryan Howard had surgery. Had complete tear. Amaro estimates 5-6 month recovery until he can play at accustomed level.

shouldn’t miss too much time.

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

oh, good to hear.

sorta. I felt bad for the guy. I mean, I’m still glad we won, but I felt bad for the guy. Then for Philly, because I don’t see that contract panning out.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i felt bad for him. not so much for philly, but for him.

its just a shitty way to end the season.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I call shenanigans on that one

/not a doctor, but no way

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

which part?

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 5-6 months to be 100%

A torn achilles is a horrible injury, I’m guessing this will be one of those storylines that in 2 years when he has a hot start, it’ll be “HE’S FINALLY RECOVERED”

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think 2013 he'll be 100%

but looking good at the 2012 allstar break. I base this on nothing.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

man, that's just shitty

no possibility of schadenfreude.

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, sorry to ask this

but could someone explain to me again how to post a pic from flicker to this here blog?

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Copy/paste the direct link (it should end with .jpg or whatever)

Type something in the subject line

Click on the tree picture. Copy/paste aforementioned link

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

to elaborate, once you upload the picture, you should be able to right click and select "copy image URL"

then do the tree thing.

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

jeff suppan is throwing out the first pitch tonight.

…..

…..

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Brewer's thought they'd finally get their money's worth.

I joke. If I were at the game, I’d cheer. Loud.

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm the only rec?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wombat wins the thread, and hardly anyone noticed.

Next time, I advise you to hold off on your best comments until after the dinner slow-down.

by a fink on Oct 12, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, VEB says it's dinner. i have my suspicions.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's actually starting tonight in the ultimate tlr psych out

on another Psych starts up again tonight.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man do Brewers fans hate him

He helped the Cards for 6+ years!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

its just...they couldn't get anyone better?

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's perfect actually

Jeff Suppan, Cardinal = WS Champion
Jeff Suppan, Brewer = ROFL

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

12 for 27 with the following line: .444/.515 /.926

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club

In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Oct 12, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yummy

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Verlander's not in the clubhouse drinking beer and eating chicken

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Yet

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 12, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had the weirdest baseball dream last night

I dreamt I was Cliff Lee, but I was pitching for Texas. I was also on VEB as Cliff Lee and was telling you guys I liked you a lot and was sorry that I would have to pitch against you in the post-season. I dominated the Cardinals as Lee in a post-season game.

I have no idea what to make of this….Maybe that we’ll face Texas in the World Series?

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Oct 12, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

we'll face the phillies in the world series.

somehow.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Haudricourt
#Brewers traveling secretary Dan Larrea says flap about tix for family members was overblown. bit.ly/gtfv4W

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Oct 12, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

no shit.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope we have them staying in Bond county

so they can feel safe.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Oct 12, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

were*

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 12, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bitch was that the families weren't in protected seats behind the nets.

Nyjer called it bush league.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 12, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think they shoud make up for it with trips to the booth.

let’s keep Al around to be useful

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Porcello throwing some filth

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

So he's K-ing 6 per 9?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't been keeping track

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

See it was a joke

Because he has a career 4.84 K/9, which is quite frankly terrible. So 6 per 9 would be “filth” from him

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh I got you

well he has 5 in 2 2/3 innings

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must have had an arm injury or something between HS and pro ball

There’s no other explanation. All the scouting reports were 92-94 touching 98, and he’s instantly like 88-92 a year later?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 12, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or he was never given time to develop to he just adjusted however he could to get pro hitters out

All speculation, of course

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

PROVE IT

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Oct 12, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know there's a lot of posivity that the Cards will win, but i'm worried

Gialaragolaga is going to remember he’s a good pitcher & shut them down. then it will rain & Carp will be lost & then the pen will blow up & then all hell breaks loose and then the GOB’s will rain down their wrath from where ever the hell is those bastards hold shop & then we all die.

i’m a worrier, i can’t help but fear the worst.

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 12, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks debbie downer.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's gdm!

[jingle]

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

that pisses me off because it's not like i don't want them to annihilate the brew crew

i’m just worried things won’t go as easily & smoothly as everyone else

Balls

by gdm426 on Oct 12, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh gdm

you so crazy

2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174

by Aranathor on Oct 12, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

PTI covering the rally squirrel after commercials.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

they have rabies.

wilpon thinks we shouldn’t have a sense of humor, as befitting the dignity of our franchise.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

fortunately, TLR has decided, rather awkwardly, that it's all good.

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's the only meme that could _possibly_ stick with him.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

animals.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random question: has TBS been showing any of the pregame festivities?

Or do they just go with inane studio/broadcast booth filler the whole time up until first pitch?

by bailorg on Oct 12, 2011 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Elaine says the pig wants to be taller.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

"My wife's a whore?"

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Oct 12, 2011 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ot: siri says some weird stuff

via this is my next

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Oct 12, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

construction-in-progress stadiums

"What I said is what I said. At the time, the moment was heated. Maybe I shouldn't have said it. But it is what it is." -- Nyjer Morgan

by vico on Oct 12, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game 3 Next

WHERE BE THE THREAD

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

if there's not one up in 15 min or so, i'll make one.

most likely RB has one preprogrammed. he’s pretty good about that.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

your tbs

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 12, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

nice

Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!

by Oedipa Maas on Oct 12, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

the brewers are tbs

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Oct 12, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice affect

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by Paulspike on Oct 12, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Brewer Station

"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski

by nota bene on Oct 12, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

SAGER LEVEL BLUE

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

radar check!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know if jimmy baseball is going to provide an inaugural something, he should really make the first bellyflopping

catch of the game, instead of throwing out the first pitch.

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Then ted simmons????

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Oct 12, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of these things just isn't the same

One of them is an OK pitcher
The other two should prob’ly be in the Hall of Fame

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And speaking of which, I guess this is a 2006 NLCS thing?

Do we get So and Spiezio and Weaver too? And Looper? And a kick to a puppy?!?

by BTown Birds fan on Oct 12, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish they would explain that the Busch crowd isn't actually anemic

we’ve just got the good sense to line up for food before first pitch.

because being late angers Carp.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

CDOESGAF?

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 12, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, he DGAFAYBL

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that one's OMH.

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 12, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

"your being late"

or you being late

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

though maybe it should be your excuses for being late.

…too soon?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not funny if you have to explain.

sorry ’bout that.

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 12, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, well

I’ve killed some threads in my day.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've been to second in my day.

/not really

"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man

by threadkiller on Oct 12, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hazelwood West photoshops.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

stop talking and cover how the Cards fans just booed Morgan!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

not showing player introductions is a CRIME

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

game thread

home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 12, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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