A Brief Remembrance of Chris Carpenter
by azruavatar on Jan 9, 2011 9:30 AM EST
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PrintWho was the most recent pitcher on the Cardinals team to pass the 1000 inning mark with the club?
The answer to that is, of course, Chris Carpenter or whoever writes the headlines around should have their head checked. I've wanted to put together an article on Carpenter for a while. It's impossible to draw a comparison between any current player and Albert Pujols but Carpenter has stood head and shoulders above the pitching staff (prior to the emergence of Adam Wainwright) in much the same way as Albert has been the markedly best position player. They've been the faces of the franchise throughout much of the aughts. (I hope that someone comes up with a better name for the last decade than the aughts.)
As I prepared to pen Chris Carpenter's premature eulogy, I'm struck by how mundane his statistics are in Cardinal lore. That's not to dismiss his contributions but more to recognize my own inadequacies as a baseball historian. I've never had the drive to recall baseball players that hadn't been on the field in the last 5-10 years. Names like Bob Gibson, Bob Forsch, Dizzy Dean, Joaquin Andujar just never had much meaning to me. Turns out those guys were pretty good for the Cardinals.
Carpenter's been with the organization for 7 years now; just surpassing his 6 injury addled years in Toronto. During those 7 years, he's pitched just over 1000 innings or 1094.1 to be exact (plus another 58.1 innings in the postseason). He's allowed less than a hit an inning and has struck out 3.71 batters for everyone he's walked. During that time he's posted nearly identical FIP and xFIP of 3.40, which is pretty darn good.
Carpenter's under contract for 2011 with a mildly expensive option for 2012. He's in line to earn $15M both years and the option includes a $1M buyout. The option would seem hugely dependent on his 2011 performance given his injury history -- both recent and further removed -- but the Cardinals have long built their brand on loyalty to (some) players so I'd be less than surprised to see the option picked up even if Carpenter has a marginal season or an extension worked out after the year is over.
Even having thrown 1094.1 innings, he's still 578 innings removed from the top 10 in Cardinal history. (Admittedly, only three of those pitchers -- Gibson, Forsch and Larry Jackson -- are post-WWII era pitchers so there's an element of apples to oranges here.) In the next two years, Carpenter has a legitimate chance to pass a familiar modern pitch and former staff ace in Matt Morris.
Morris is a name I at least can remember watching pitch. He was never as dominant as Carpenter during his 1377.1 innings with the club over 8 years. His stuff not quite as potent and his control not quite as good, my memory of him is, unfortunately, tarnished by the twilight of his career as a Cardinal notably the last two years (2004-05) as his rates really started to falter and Carpenter began to realize his own potential on the club.
There's a parallel between Morris/Carpenter and Carpenter/Wainwright that we've watched over the last several years as well. Wainwright, with 874.1 Cardinal innings, is #48 on the list of career IP. The gap between he and Carpenter (#33) is close to the gap between Carpenter and Morris (#18) in terms of innings. The handoff of staff ace has already transferred in performance if not in the clubhouse. It might be prudent to begin my 1000 inning article on Wainwright now.
I can't make the sale for Carpenter as one of the all time pitching greats for the Cardinals. It's too storied a franchise with a long legacy of storied players. In the modern context, Carpenter has been as vital to the organization post-Gibson/Forsch as anyone. There's an argument to be made for Morris but that argument will get weaker over the next year or two. Even if Carpenter isn't a hall of fame inductee or a player that will have his number retired, he's still been the most important pitcher of the last decade. I, for one, look forward to him inflating those stats in 2011.
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certainly hope he is strong and durable this year
otherwise its more klohse innings and more innings for
aka ???
also, bernie hit the nail in the head this morning re tlr
2 quibbles: it was a bit black and white re sabre-friendly players
not being “tough”
back to the future for tlr was back to the A’s AL power approach to the game
speed and obp don’t matter, it’s dingers damnit, give me more dingers
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I don't see the dinger thing
Berkman may hit a few dingers but i don’t think that’s why we got him. If we had signed Adam Dunn I’d agree with you. TLR just wants to avoid giving away games like we did last year — we all bitched about it in the game threads and the day after — I’m much happier with the makeup of the team going into the season. The Ryan stuff looks a lot like the Reyes hoopla to me.
On Carpenter, seems like he has been around forever but doesn’t rank in the top ten yet. Makes you appreciate what it takes to really end up in the career elite. I’d love to see him put in another solid year and get an extension. I still think he has 3-5 years of solid pitching yet
Just win
to be fair
the run distribution last season was really weird.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
How can you say "OBP" doesn't matter to TLR/the team
when they just brought in Berkman (who excels at that skill)?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 9, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
He came to hit homers,
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by ElMaquino on Jan 9, 2011 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nonsense
He’s more OBP than SLG these days. And the Cardinals know this.
by lightbulb on Jan 9, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he just came to add punch
however he can.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Jan 9, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
that's what i was trying to say
it certainly wasn’t to be for defense
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
these comments are going to back me go on the TLR bandwagon
speed and obp don’t matter, it’s dingers damnit, give me more dingers
I know he’s old and I know he’s been not very good lately, but for the love of god he is not some dumb piece of shit who thinks getting on base doesn’t matter… let’s please keep these hyperbolic statements down (as for the Bernie article, that article was full of hyperbole and frankly not his best work in my mind)
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
let’s please keep these hyperbolic statements down
it’s VEB, yo
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Who are you, Matthew?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that was one of Bernie's worst articles in a long time.
Tony’s not trying to beat staticians or some weird theory. He’s trying to win baseball games.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
yeah it's like he took the surface of VEBisms and boiled them down to a ridiculous farce
except he was serious
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
I have a feeling he just has that arrogant attitude that advanced stats is so inferior that it’s not worth his time so he completely ignores them
He doesn’t try to beat them because he thinks he is so much better than them (at least my theory)
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
I'm sure he has some knowledge of them
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
well if he does he ignores them
otherwise he wouldn’t do what he does in a lot of cases
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
that is the narrative
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
right
but bernie took it really far in saying tony’s out to prove sabermetrics wrong
which is completely different from what i just said
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
im sure he doesnt
he was once a young, revolutionary manager, mainly for his love of OBP over AVG, but if you saty in any field for 30 years and don’t change your approach, you become outdated. It’s nothing personal against SABRs, though.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Best win % of any Cardinal ever.
that’s good, right?
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by ElMaquino on Jan 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It actually doesn't mean crap.
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by RiverRat on Jan 9, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
win/loss is a pretty much meaningless stat
if you wanna go that route I’d look at quality starts instead of win %
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
No
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
sure it is
his W-L means he won more games than he lost. It’s not at all an accurate metric by which to measure a pitcher’s true performance over the years. But a win% like that means you’re most likely dealing with a very good pitcher.
He played on some great teams
Any good pitcher in Cardinal history could have had a great W/L record playing for the 2004-now Cardinals. I refuse to give Carpenter credit for being born and signed at the right time.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and he DID NOT win more than he lost...
…His team did. He happened to be the starting pitcher and based on the goofy and half-moronic rules of W/L he happened to get some stupid level of credit for it.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I should note that of course he's a great pitcher and played a huge role in the team's success...
…But the fact that he has the best W/L % is pretty damn far from the best way to see that. A neat trivia fact at best.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Your point?
My comment made it rather clear that I consider that a true, but completely meaningless statement.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's a stat that's
not a very good measure of how good or bad a pitcher is.
Would Adam Wainwright or Bob Gibson or Chris Carpenter compile as many wins if the played for the Cubs? They’d probably pitch just as well but they’d lose more games I bet.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Jan 9, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Having a high WL% basically means that he gets the job done when he needs to.
What I would really like to see is his stats in big games against other elite pitchers… i.e. does he have a lot of success winning 1-0 or 2-1 against other staff aces, or does he have a lot of 7-6 or 8-7 wins against the Pirates and such. That might take some research, however.
Pujols + Holliday + Rasmus + Berkman = MV4
Having a high W/L % means HIS TEAM scored more runs than he and the rest of the team allowed.
W/L is team-dependent in a way that it nearly completely obfuscates the efforts of the pitcher besides the obvious qualifications in innings and runs allowed.
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Of course that is true, but
there is a mental mindstate of the offense that they don’t have to score as many runs to win when Carp is on the mound, rather than Lohse, for example. Agreed? So if you think about it, some of those losses could have derived from a lackadaisical offensive output. The opposite of this is true also, and defines why guys like Jason Marquis win 12-15 games with an ERA higher than 5.
Pujols + Holliday + Rasmus + Berkman = MV4
Eh...
Check the match-ups as well. Carp is at the top of the rotation and in order to have a fighting chance against him, other teams might throw their #1 or #2 guy against him. I think it’s more complicated than mind set. The Cardinals are probably facing tougher competition on the days Carp is pitching.
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do teams really adjust their rotation
during the season because they face an ace?
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by Dave Pendleton on Jan 10, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Tony does that stuff all the time.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
or you could make it a lot easier
and just look at rate stats, specifically ones that neutralize factors out of the pitchers’ control
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No. Ice Box Chamberlin has him beat by .001 percentage point.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Has this been discussed? (I’ve been away) Theriot tweaks Cubs after trade to Cardinals
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Yes, but I still don't like that he's playing SS for the cards.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jan 9, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cubs fans were more riled about it than us
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A sports interview on 590?
How’d they manage to get that in between talking about porn and reality TV?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I heard some guy that seemed pretty SABR friendly the other night
But I think he’s just a fill in they use occasionally….looked it up, think it was Brendan Wiese. He sounded like he might be ok. Much better than anything else I have heard there.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 9, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Carp has longevity on his side, sure ...
But John Tudor has probably the best Cardinal single pitching performance since Gibson. Andujar had two twenty win seasons in a row … and one of those years was the awful ’84 team.
Carp’s been more valuable as a LEADER on the team (his crying fit with Brendan Ryan notwithstanding) than as a great pitcher. I couldn’t see him in the Hall of Fame, but I think Waino could end up there eventually if he keeps it up. THAT’S the difference.
I see Waino as
the guy that will do what Carp would have done had he not been injured or with the Jays.
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by ElMaquino on Jan 9, 2011 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
only if he stop sleeping on his arm
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Wainwright, Carpenter, Tudor, and Andujar (and, arguably, Morris) are all basically tied for "best single pitching performance since Gibson).
2005 Carpenter: 2.90 FIP, 6.8 WAR, 7.93 K/9, 1.90 BB/9
1985 Tudor: 2.71 FIP, 6.7 WAR, 5.53 K/9, 1.60 BB/9
Andujar’s best season was by far his 15-win 1982 season: 2.87 FIP, 6.4 WAR, 4.64 K/9, 1.69 BB/9
Matt Morris 2001: 3.05 FIP, 6.0 WAR, 7.70 K/9, 2.25 BB/9
Adam Wainwright 2010: 2.86 FIP, 6.1 WAR, 8.32 K/9, 2.19 BB/9
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And Wainwright might get better.
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It's true.
I made that up.
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unlike your mother.
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by RiverRat on Jan 9, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Fuck I should've seen that one coming
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
indeed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
Eh, it's Monday....I probably would have too. :-)
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by Futility Infielder on Jan 10, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
i know only two of them well enough to form an opinion
and you got those two wrong.
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i don't think he got tudor right either
i never saw him pitch either, but Waino now has three seasons with at least 3.5 WAR in just 4 seasons and Tudor did that twice but 4 seasons apart in about 8 seasons of starting pitching
It looks like Tudor had one fantastic season (6.7 fWAR) and a lot of good ones (6 seasons of 2.5 fWAR), but he was never really top of the line like Waino is right now
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Just an opinion guys...
Admitedly I am biased to 80s baseball… Tudor was cool in so many ways:
(1) He always seemed as annoyed by the game as the fans were.
(2) Tudortacular (or tudtacular) was an adjective coined in his honor.
(3) He always seemsed to know that he got the third out of an inning the moment the ball left his left hand. In one smooth motion he’d throw a strike and seemingly be two steps to the dugout by the time two steps to the dugout by the time the strike was called.
(4) We traded Tudor for Pedro Guerrero and then resigned him a year later for $350K.
(5) Once in 1990, I saw his left arm fall off at the shoulder; it cartwheeled to home plate and still caught the outside corner for a strike**.
**Okay this didn’t really happen. Also I stole that description from a Bernie Milkas column c. 1990.
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by Zubin on Jan 10, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hmm...
(1) Carp does that.
(2) Carp has memes.
(3) Carp does that, too.
(4) I hope we never trade Carp for Pedro Guerrero.
(5) I think we’ve already seen Carp’s shoulder fall off and I hope to never see it again.
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I don't know which is scarier
- or your sig
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Jan 10, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
what the hell SBN
#5 or your sig
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Jan 10, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Carp's shoulder is scarier than my little sig.
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Indeed
one is funny enough for tears, the oter just makes me wanna cry just thinking about it
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quick look per bWAR (Since WAR is not available pre-1980 for fWAR)
Averaging WAR per SP years (at least 20 GS)
Tudor – 4.0 (4.4 with Cards), Andujar – 2.3 (3.1 with Cards), Carpenter – 3.1 (4.3 with Cards), Waino – 4.3
wow according to B-R, he’s almost spot-on (although Waino’s peak is better than any so he could easily surpass the others)
FWIW, fangraphs has Carp WAY ahead of everyone with 4.9 WAR per season, Waino at 4.3, Andujar at 3.9, and Tudor at 3.3 – with the Cards exclusively
that is weird how different those two say the pitchers are
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
and you're wrong!
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 10, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
They are not tied
I don’t care what sabremetrics say in this instance. Tudor had TEN SHUTOUTS in one season in ‘85. He started the season 1-7 until his mechanical flaw in his delivery was fixed, and then he went an incredible 21-1 the rest of the way. I followed every game in ’85, and I can tell you that Carpenter has never produced anything like Tudor that year. Neither has Wainwright (yet). Tudor would’ve won the Cy Young that year had it not been for Dwight Gooden’s 24-win year.
Here’s how awesome Tudor was: he was fifth in MVP voting that year in the National League. Total dominance.
There are times when sabremetrics cannot fully define what a player does.
by Ray DeRousse on Jan 10, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm inclined to use baseball-reference's WAR for seasonal value for pitchers
which would have Tudor out in front by a significant margin. Nevertheless, I’m not sure what Tudor starting 1-7 does for his season in a positive way.
sabermetrics can't fully define what a player does
but W/L can? i imagine that ‘85 team was pretty good considering that they went to the world series. that may have helped him win 21 games. carp won 21 games in 2005 with 3 fewer starts. wins don’r mean a whole lot as a pitcher stat
tudor’s numbers indicate it was a pretty fantastic season, but i don’t see it as that different to what waino has done the last 2 years or what carp did in ’05 or ’09.
i mean, if you’re saying tudor had a clearly better season, surely it is because of things he did on the baseball field. as a pitcher, that would be stuff like striking out batters or allowing hits and walks or pitching a certain number of innings. all of that is quantifiable, so it’s possible to accurately compare pitchers based on their numbers. “i saw it and you didn’t” isn’t a very good argument
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As far as Tudor starting 1-7, that means the guy went on an INCREDIBLE TEAR after May to finish where he did in wins and ERA. Had that mechanical flaw been fixed by opening day, who knows what he might have done that year.
And I’m referring, of course, to what Tudor did on the field … did I mention he donated to orphanages??? Again, Tudor threw TEN shutouts that year. He threw a TEN INNING shutout against the Mets in September when the Cards were battling them for the division (back when that actually meant something …). He had an ERA of 1.93 that year … throw out those first eight games, and he’d have the lowest ERA ever recorded for a starting pitcher for a season.
I’m not taking anything away from Carp’s best years. Carp was one of the reasons the 2005 team – which didn’t have the same offensive kick that the 2004 team had – went as far as they did. But Tudor pitched out of his mind in ’85 … the two simply do not compare.
by Ray DeRousse on Jan 10, 2011 5:49 AM EST up reply actions
You can't throw out the first 8 games.
Because then you are measuring an arbitrary time-line. Have you done that with Waino or Carp? Throw out their worst 8 games in a season and see what you get. That’s the fair way to do this sort of comparing on a curve.
W/L is all but meaningless.
And that’s great that he donated to orphanages. Lots of people donate to lots of causes and we never hear about it.
I agree that Tudor was dominant. And I agree with DanUp about WAR for seasonal value in that Tudor is more impressive. But it’s closer than you, and some others, want to admit. And throwing arbitrary facts like W/L at us isn’t going to impress or convince.
Best season by ERA+:
(1) 1985 Tudor 185
(2) 2009 Carpenter 182
That’s awfully close.
Best season by ERA, compared to FIP:
(1) 1985 Tudor ERA 1.93 / FIP 2.71
(2) 2005 Carp ERA 2.83 / FIP 2.90
Carp barely outperformed his FIP in 2005. Tudor’s out-performance was more significant, though his FIP was still a tad lower than Carp’s.
Tudor’s performance is stronger than anything Carp has done, but it’s much closer than you’d think.
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by spants on Jan 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this idea of throwing out bad starts.
If you take out Waino’s 8 worst starts he would have been 20-3 with a 1.41 ERA, .907WHIP and -0.613FIP (162K in 184 Innings)
Lohse would have been 4-2 with a 0.1FIP, but still a 3.34 ERA
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--Bob Uecker
Negative FIP or is that just a typo?
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Man I'm dumb
I knew that sounded insane.
I just went back here to check the formula and noticed my error. I forgot the “league-specific factor” whatever that means. So if I use 3.2, Waino would have a FIP of 2.587
Negative FIP would mean you would give up NO HR or BB and have a > 1.6 K/IP.
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--Bob Uecker
Still, that's quite a season!
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"I don’t care what sabremetrics say in this instance."
Alright. Well, it’s been nice not talking to you.
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by spants on Jan 10, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tudor was great
he deserves to be in the conversation too (but he’s not any better than Andujar)
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Both were rock solid
with totally different stuff. It’d be hard to choose between them.
I will say that Andujar had more tough luck than Tudor, though. He lost a lot of 1 and 2 run games because he didn’t get the run support. On the other hand, Tudor was a stopper. He could stop a losing skid just about every time, and he threw a lot of junk. Tudor was hard to rattle, while it was easy to get into Andujar,s head…and he was a hot-head. Andujar was probably the best athlete of the three.
Nothing against Carp, but I wouldn’t quite rank him with Tudor or Andujar. Close, but no cigar.
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by Dave Pendleton on Jan 9, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'd take Tudor over Andujar
even though Andujar had much better stuff, Tudor was sort of like a Maddux type. when you have that much control over your pitches you are tough to beat.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Pitchin while you're high
helps too
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by ElMaquino on Jan 9, 2011 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting.
ERA+ ranks their tenures in St. Louis as follows: Tudor (147), Carpenter (141), Andujar (108).
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I had comment further comparing these three pitchers.
But I lost it. I am annoyed.
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I was totally wrong about him not being any better
I kinda kicked myself after I posted that. was still collecting my thoughts, was a late night last night
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
needs moar pictures
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Can't decide whether...
Silver King or Ice Box Chamberlin is the best name of a Cardinal pitcher (Dizzy Dean is alos in the running). I was also unaware that Cy Young pitched for the Cards.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 9, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions
Jumbo McGinnis gets an honorable mention.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Also, Red Munger.
quite a year he had in ’44.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not sure...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elton_Chamberlain
But he was ambidextrous, so that gives additional awesome points to Mr. Chamberlain.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 9, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ice Box = Refrigerator
I assume he was a bit overweight (or at least liked to eat).
Boog would have made that play.
Also...
http://dmbworldseriesreplay.wordpress.com/2009/06/06/1888-biography-elton-icebox-chamberlain/
According to baseball historian Lee Allen, Chamberlain was called "Icebox" because of "his austere calm in the face of all hostility by the enemy."
What did we all do before the internet?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 9, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
made sh!t up
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
so, basically
he was one cool cat
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
What's cooler than being cool?
Ice cold.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
too far, spants
too far
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Yeah, I guess I should've left that lyric for someone else.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
now wait a minute.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Shake it, spants, shake it
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Wilmer David "Vinegar Bend" Mizell
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Plus, check out his sweet car
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
not pictured: spinning rims.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
That doesn't happen to have the 455 Rocket engine, does it?
Those were one badass power plant.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 9, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Ice Box is the best baseball name ever
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
that's a good one
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Vinegar Bend by at least a length.
Also, The Wild Hoss of the Osage / Pepper Martin
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Jan 9, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Still Wrong
I give you Wonderful Terrific Monds.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=monds-001won
The guy didn’t even need a nickname he was so badass.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 10, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
showing my age
the mention of Larry Jackson sent me back in time. He was my first favorite Cards’ pitcher (I’m not SO old as to remember Dizzy). Jackson had a unique pre-delivery “stance,” if you will.
With the ball already in his right hand, his right arm was way dropped down as he bent over, the ball-in-hand resting just below his knee. Sometimes he would tap his upper shin with the ball a few times before straightening up and going into his wind-up.
I used to imitate this maneuver when I pitched in Little League, and of course got razzed for it.
Sidebar: re Berkman and the addition of “power”: it potentially reminds me of when we picked up Roger Maris. Anybody expecting a bunch of home runs out of him was disappointed, but the vast majority of us at the time ended up very pleased with his contribution. Mr Berkman, go thou and do likewise.
speaking of odd deliveries....
do you remember Bob (two pump) Humphrey?
I always liked Lindy Mcdaniel when I was a kid. He could pitch a little, eh?
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Jan 9, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Juan Marichal's delivery was
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Which one?
He pitched from about 35 different arm slots, leg kicks, etc.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 9, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's the point.
Who was the righty who used to swivel his hips and upper body, so that he was almost looking back at second base before swinging back and throwing?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nomo
Tiant was of course first but Nomo did it too.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 10, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
wait... what reliever does this now?
this sounds really familiar.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
maybe
but not who i’m thinking of. thinking of a closer.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Dodgers closer,
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 9, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Only he doesn't hold the ball, I don't think.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 9, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I love Chris Carpenter.
Now that I’ve said that, I hope he keeps his anger in check this season. He didn’t pitch as well when he let his emotions get the best of him.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
neither did Andujar
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Jan 9, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
first off
over 85 wins above replacement level for Bob Gibson. HFS
I’m looking at something called Base-Out Wins Saved. Carp is quite good at that, along with Tudor and Waino.
also, it’s interesting to see that Gibson is just in another class of pitcher, head and shoulders above any other Cardinal. he’s like the Man or the Mang of Cardinals pitching.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 1:31 PM EST reply actions
also check out Tudor's WHIP
very nice
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Look at that career WAR level again
more than twice the next pitcher’s WAR (Harry Brecheen). Of course, he also pitched more than 680 innings for the Cardinals than any other pitcher. On top of that, he’s currently third all-time in WAR for the Cardinals, behind only Musial and Hornsby, but he’s less than 2 WAR away from getting passed by Pujols, and Pujols is less than 8 WAR away from also passing Hornsby.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the career pitcher's WAR
Silver King pitched 585.2 IP with a 2.30 FIP and a 1.64 ERA…. obviously it was almost completely luck-driven though as he had a 3.96 K/9 and a 1.17 BB/9 with a 0.09 HR/9 (?)… also had a .239 BABIP against him
Of course, I don’t see these records as accurate at all… B-R has him done for 16.2 WAR for that year!
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
Hey
he also won 45(!) games that year! Now, that’s important!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
SBN'd
that’s amazing that he had pitched at least 384 innings six straight years
I seriously don’t know how his arm fell off even if he actually pitched half of those innings
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
OT: since I know we have some photogs on this site
anybody seen these pictures of Detroit ruins? Wild, wild stuff. These are somewhat old, so you might have seen them, but they’re worth a look if you haven’t.
They're definitely compelling.
There have been a number of similar photo spreads on Detroit. NPR did a piece recently about how Detroit is becoming a magnet for photogs fascinated with “ruin porn”.
There was one a couple of years ago that was exclusively on old Tigers Stadium. It was amazing to see how far into disrepair it had fallen in just a few years.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Jan 9, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
People and resources are needed to keep civilization going...
these things have fled Detroit. What’s remarkable is if you ever happen to be in Germany – take a walk through Berlin. Vibrant streets, interesting shops/cafes, all kinds of convenient transportation, nice trees and parks… This city was complete rubble 65 years ago yet it looks today like they won the war and we lost.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Yeah, if the baseball thing doesn't work out with me
I was thinking about moving to Detroit and opening a bar or something like that. Or branch out even further and do real estate development
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yes, Berlin is remarkable
all kinds of renewal, yet set against a backdrop steeped in unfortunate history. The Reichstag, for example. I actually skipped most of the museums in Berlin to just walk around the city. For some reason I find architecture far more engrossing than traditional art.
Wasn't London much the same?
One of my favorite places to visit.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
there's ruin porn of the St. Louis area, too.
apparently that’s what the kids call it.
googlin’… http://www.builtstlouis.net/
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well certainly St. Louis doesn't have the grandeur it once did
but at least there is some renewal going on. Isn’t the Kiel set to open again? That’s a wonderful building, my Dad would tell me how he used to love trips there as a kid growing up in St. Louis.
But Detroit…damn. Entire skyscrapers abandoned, frozen in time.
Yeah, Kiel Opera House is finally being renovated.
It’s being renamed Peabody Opera House.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Jan 9, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
That's a nice site, thanks.
At least they’re pointing out the preservation successes as well as the potential losses.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Jan 9, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
there's one of East STL but i can't find it
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Saint Louis Patina is my fave.
Even though sometimes I feel like I’m walking through the set of The Wire, I love walking through random south city neighborhoods (I don’t have the balls to explore most of north city).
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
this fanpost still gets comments
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/12/24/1894647/the-mystery-of-amaury-marti-cazana
maybe we should rec it up.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Carp...he's not dead yet.
He had a really good season after the year off and threw a lot of pitches. Seems like it caught up with him last year. I hope to see him bounce back and pitch with us for another 3 to 4 years at a high level.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
he was really good last year
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
tudor, forsch, andujar, morris, carpenter . . . .
This post reads like a census of the pitching wing of the cardinals hall of the very good.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Jan 9, 2011 4:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Kile was quite good too
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Does Ankiel get a small exhibit?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
he did have a 3.12 FIP in '90
and was worth 4.5 WAR in ’93… not too shabby
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
If you walked against him
It was because he wanted to walk you.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 9, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
waiwright not included
because that dude will be in the real hall if he stays healthy
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
This was discussed recently...
he’ll need to pitch 200+ innings a year until he’s 36 to even begin to have the numbers – he got a late start.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
I think by the time he's ready
Pitcher wins will be eschewed almost completely. If he’s able to maintain a Pedro like performance – very low ERA low-ish innings pitched – I think he’ll be in the hall.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
i don't see your face happening
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jan 9, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hazel
What book did you wind up buying as the Christmas present? Just curious.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
AT&T claims 4G, but it isn't really
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:13 PM EST reply actions
Technically NONE of them have true 4G yet.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Doesnt the "G" just stand for Generation
as in it’s their fourth generation of a network?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yes the G stands for generation, but
there are speed standards to qualify as 4G. True 4G has peak download speeds of 100 Mbps while moving and 1 GBps while stationary.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I thought there were no standards yet
Which is why everyone is claiming they have 4G
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
The standards are set by the ITU.
ITU allowed the companies to market as 4G provided the network shows substantial improvement over 3G and that the companies work towards true 4G
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
The draft specifications for 4G are well beyond what anyone is marketing as 4G right now.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
ah
I just think it’s funny that the public assumes it means they’ll have 4Gigabit connections.
I’m still cool with just being able to text and e-mail and twitter and shit whenever I want to. They don’t need to market it to me, just deliver the futuristic goodness.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
What they're calling 4G right now is more like 3.5G.
It is much faster if you have a strong signal, but true 4G will be way faster.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
isn't it supposed to be as fast as dsl & cable?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
DSL and cable
range from 256 Kbps to 50 Mbps, so kind of. but wimax doesn’t reach anywhere near the top end. i get around 5 Mbps on the wimax here
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
our time warner cable is supposed to be 54, but it fluctuate between 35,48&54
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
that's what is says when i move the mouse over the connection icon
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
54 Mbps
is the maximum speed that your wireless card can support. if that varies, i have no idea. if you want to know what your connection speed is, go to speedtest.net and click on begin test. i would imagine it’s between 1 and 10 unless you’re paying a ton of money for your internet
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
k, got dis
The modulation scheme used in 802.11g is orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing (OFDM) copied from 802.11a with data rates of 6, 9, 12, 18, 24, 36, 48, and 54 Mbit/s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11g-2003#Descriptions
i imagine everyone here was dying to know.
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Instead of the aughts
how about the zeroes?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions
that's what I was thinking
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
OT:
I’m sure most of you have seen by now that the girl who was shot and killed in Arizona yesterday was Dallas Green’s granddaughter. Green
is a former pitcher, manager, and executive in Major League Baseball. After playing for the Phillies and two other teams, he went on to manage the Phillies, the New York Yankees, and the New York Mets, and managed the Phillies when they won their first World Series title in franchise history in 1980.
He was also a GM of the Cubs, and was directly responsible for lights finally being installed at Wrigley Field. His granddaughter, Christina, was the daughter of John Green, who is a scout in the Dodgers’ organization. She was the only girl on her Little League baseball team, and was interested in politics, which is why she was at the plaza yesterday, to meet with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
I cannot fathom this. Such a senseless tragedy. My greatest condolences to the Greens, and to everyone who lost a family member yesterday.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions
that whole thing was supremely sad
that young girl that was killed had survived 9/11. I’m hoping that Giffords survives and her quality of life is ok.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, she was
born on 9/11, I don’t think she was in the two towers.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
still very sad
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Turncoat Josh Kinney flees to the southside of Chicago...
what’s wrong with these people?
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
My sarcasm detector is on the fritz. He had a 1.80 ERA at Memphis last year
to go with 17 saves and 0.98 WHIP. Why wasn’t he called up in September? He was released to free agency in November, my guess is he feels he’ll get a better shot to make it back to the majors with the White Sux.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
A brief look into mysterui's childhood
I got this Lego set, pictured below, for Christmas one year when I was about 9, and I was giddy with glee (Picture Nintendo 64 kid). I immediately took the set into my room, spent 5 hours putting it together, piece by piece, until this magnificent, glorious spaceship stood before me. It had a giant laser gun, magnets, a droid, and a land rover for exploration! I zoomed around the house with it, flying through every crevice of the house with my new toy, happy as any 9 year old ever was.
Two days later, I must have left it on the couch or something, because my sister accidentally sat on my Lego Exploriens Spaceship, and I was never able to find every piece to put it together ever again. I don’t think I have felt that amount of despair since.
Good night sweet prince (1998-1998)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
do you really want veb to write your biography?
because you might not like that version…
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
LOOK AT THAT MOTHERFUCKING LANDROVER
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
never got into legos
now i did love making roads and driving my miniature cars down them trying to re-create a busy street
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
I second that!
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Jan 10, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
legos are pretty much the best toy
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was more of an Erector kind of kid.
You can’t pickle the beast with legos.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you can't.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I remember making something inspired by the star destroyer in star wars as a kid
it was different of course, but basically it was a huge freakin starship I designed and made out of legos
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 9, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
You were 9 in 1998?
Which means, you’re 21 now, and already afianced? What the hell? Live a little!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I do not feel the need to justify my relationship on the internet
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i feel the need to justify your mom.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that was uncalled for.
I’ll apologize to your mother.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
She's cooking dinner right now!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
if that's what your family calls it...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Sensitive subject >_>
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Holy crap!
I got that for Christmas one year. That’s AWESOME.
by mattisnotfrench on Jan 10, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hilarious comment found in the Sports Illustrated.com SportsNation section
There is no need for the Angels to make a run at Pujols. He is an average player. At best. He can’t hold a candle to Lyle Overbay. Go Bucs!!!
Apparently, the Angels are saving their ammunition to make a play for Pujols after the season….Surprise!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
just finished watching Casino
According to imdb, that had a NC-17 rating. Is this true? I don’t see anything – other than using than word fuck 422 times (via wikipedia) – and maybe a few gruesome scenes that I guess looked a lot worse 15 years ago, but nowadays is mild compared to Tarantino.
Anyway, that was a great movie and so I’ve heard almost completely based off real life. Hard to believe…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
that may have been released at the pinnacle of Tipper Gore's pussified America.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
oh god
One of her books says all you need to know about her
Raising PG Kids in an X-Rated Society, 1987
well she sounds like a swell person
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
hey, after all, 1987 saw the release of such
graphic, lewd, and oversexed films as “The Brave Little Toaster.” Now, I’ve never seen the movie, but from what I can cull from Red Baron posts, it probably contains some pretty explicit stuff.
by mattyp on Jan 9, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
SPOILER ALERT
I suppose that last scene where Joe Pesci gets beaten to death could be excessive for kids… Seems like people don’t like real life violence (if the last couple days is any indication) so controlling the media’s ability to pipe extreme pretend violence to kids may be warranted.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
who takes a kid to an R rated movie?
besides me, who lets my nieces and nephews watch everything because thats what my dad did and i feel my dead nerves, desensitization, and lack of emotion have done me well in life.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I don't know,
but I had an uncomfortable moment sitting next to an 8 or 9 year old during Watchmen.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
We watched Blue Valentine in class, and the kid in front of me brought his parents
I’ve never seen someone so uncomfortable
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Did you like that movie?
And what was so uncorfortable in it (please no spoliers)?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
Oral sex scene if what I'm reading is to be believed.
But yes, no spoilers.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I actually liked it a LOT
But I think a lot of it was that I’ve been in a serious relationship and we’ve experienced problems before
Pretty graphic sex scenes, yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
interesting fact: that movie was originally rated nc-17
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
still is I believe
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
well then it should be rated R
There is a whole lot of bad language, drug use, and beatings, but there is no nudity…
that is pretty much your average R rated movie nowadays with not quite as much language
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
Sharon Stone's nudity from previous movies was carried over to this one.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
she was nude?
I must have missed it. If I missed it, then it must have be barely noticeable and minor.
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
She wasn't nude
But she’s been nude in most of her movies around that time (think Basic Instinct), so it “carries over” to Casino (at least that’s the joke).
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her vagina's scene in Basic instinct (if I remember correctly)
was like the most scandalous thing ever at the time.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
her vagina's scene in Basic instinct (if I remember correctly)
was like the most scandalous thing ever at the time.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
it had to be said twice!
you’re as incompetent as James Jones, SBN!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The risk aversion of NFL coaches...
is really off the charts now. Way worse than ever. Ball on your own 42, 24 seconds left, one timeout… too risky to even run another play!
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
the obstinance towards going for it on fourth down
really bothers me as well. Study after study shows strong statistical support for fourth down attempts, but they’re still very rare. Most teams average about 1 per game, if I recall.
f'in TLR
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by prophetjohn on Jan 9, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not gonna lie to y'all
The title of the article scared the crap out of me.
1) Did Carp die? No. whew
2) Did Carp retire? No. whew
3) Who did we get in return for him in a trade? Wait, why did we trade him? Crap. Oh, we didn’t? whew
by stlfan on Jan 9, 2011 7:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
it's more of an Austin Wilson eulogy
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Like mysterui's Lego lament.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
something happened to Matt Holliday??
oh wait.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
haha, whoops!
Too much meme crossing.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
mysterui must've crossed streams
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Or Amaury Cazana?
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 9, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
who gets the opening day start?
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gotta be wainwright.
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
what the hell, sbn?
what happened to telling me there are new comments?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
there just aren't any new comments
it’s a sunday night in january
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no it's been f'ed up all afternoon
i finally got back on & it’s still not working right
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yeah, there's at least 100 new comments on this post
and it looks like it has spread to the other main page posts and fanposts
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i suppose VEB is just getting in on the fun of making this a most miserable weekend
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Software "upgrade," I presume?
The posts are coming through, but with no indications of “new” ones.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 9, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
this is f'ing annoying, they better get this crap fixed
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I thought it was just me.
everything is marked as read.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
not special
mine aren’t marked as read either. But, I typically leave VEB open in a tab all day and check for new comments when I get a chance.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i dunno, i opened up this windows around 8:30 when i got home from work
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all of the fanposts I haven't read yet
are also marked.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
okay
all of the fanposts are marked read for me. are new comments that come in marked yellow while the thread is open?
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yes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'm not special
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by prophetjohn on Jan 9, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I WAS drinking
and a couple of hours ago i was utterly f’cked. Now though i have sobered up, relatively. Still up for some hardcore chat though.
i've been trying all day to get some friends to help me drink my sorrows away
i should have tried VEB first
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parting ways with the love of one's life makes for a terrible weekend
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are these the kinds of things late night VEB does, now?
sounds like a plan to me
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Yup
Late Night VEB (reg. TM) is strictly an over 18 affair, or over 21 for you ’Mericans and your crazy drinking laws.
If you use (TM)
it will look like™
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm down
What’s the most alcohol/drugs you’ve consumed in one sitting and what happened to you during? Tell me a story, oh gay British one.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well my young padawan
That depends; theres the story of the one and only time i got utterly paralytically drunk (literally immobile) or the story of my 18th birthday, which involves more drink and drugs but is less hilarious. Which one would like to hear first young grasshopper?
The more hilarious one, good sir
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well indeed.
The one and only time i got so drunk i couldn’t actually move was my 16th birthday (i know right). It started out innocently enough; i had a few of my mates round to my house for a get together / party and we had a few beers, well maybe 4-5 beers. Given that i was only 16 my conception of what was a large amount of alcohol and what was a sensible amount of alcohol was a little off. After these 4 or so beers we decided to start on the tequila and play poker. This ended about was well as you can imagine. My friend thought he was being eaten (literally) by my fridge; whilst i crawled outside in a delerious state, i don;t actually remember what happened next. I am reliably informed that the following took place.
Me: I hope they don’t come
Relatively sober friend: Who?
Me: The police
Friend: why would the police come?
Me: They’re not in them are they?
Friend: What
Me: Your parents:
Friend: What!?
Me: Your parents aren’t in the police
Friend….. no….
Also i collapsed in the toilet later.
i figured
i hate it when that happens, because passing out with my head on the toliet means i’m gonna feel like shit when i need that extremely long shower the next morning
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Yeah, i've not suffered that badly from booze for a while though, couple of years i reckon
My brain usually kicks in and commands me to stop drinking.
That's impressive
Were their any later day repercussions?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
First case of severe melancholia the next day
coupled with ruined bed sheets and angry parent. Was not fun at the time, hilarious looking back on it now though.
Sure is
I remember the first time I got out of this world stoned. It was this past summer, a couple of weeks before 17th birthday, and the day started out innocuously enough…
A couple of friends decided the previous day that we should see Scott Pilgrim, and due to the presence of Michael Cera we would need to be sufficiently stoned to fully enjoy it. So I went over to my friends house around 3 in the afternoon and we (5 people I believe) had a couple bowls out of his piece. Feeling nicely buzzed, we decided to go for a Jack and the Box run while we waited for my friends dealer to drop off more weed. When we got back we were informed that said dealer would be running a bit late, so we decided so finish off our existing stash and walk up to the movies and just pick up our bud right before. All went accordingly to plan, and although we were’t quite Scott Pilgrim stoned as we didn’t have a chance to smoke our new weed, we were stoned enough and the movie was plenty enjoyable.
When we got back, two of my friends departed and we were left with a decent amount of bud, but no place to smoke it. Rather than doing the very uncomfortable walk and smoke in our residential neighborhood, we met up with another friend to smoke in his car. So we did that, but to our chagrin, that kid had a 3 foot bong and we were still to stoned to protest. So we did a couple of bowls out of that, and THEN, that kid rolled up the rest of our weed into a blunt, which we smoked in a parking lot at 12 AM.
At that point, we were past the thinking stage. One of my friends threw up, and the other had a mild seizure. Interestingly enough, despite me being the lightweight of the group, nothing bad happened to me. The worst part of the night, however, was in this kids car when he had this really bad techno music playing. Good music would have made the experience much more enjoyable to me.
Then two of the kids departed leaving me and my best friend in some location near my house. We walked to the seven-eleven to get some donuts and a salad, and he went to my nieghbor’s loft to crash. I got home around 2 and woke up the next morning to go to my internship at UCLA.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I have forwarded a copy of this entire post to
the admissions department at NYU.
by mattyp on Jan 9, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I already wrote about it for my essay
“evaluate a time when you faced adversity in your life and how you overcame it”.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
"i overcame bad techno music by taking bong rips in a moving vehicle"
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Revolutionary!
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
VEB: Don't Open Up to Us, or We'll F&$% You Over
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
by BVHeck on Jan 9, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
only if you don't deliver on your f/x promises
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
How many Pitch f/x posts have you written again?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but
how many pitch f/x promises has he made
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by prophetjohn on Jan 9, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It is better to have promised and not come through, then to not have promised at all
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
ah, yes. the ancient proverb
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as the book of Gob (sic) says
“I swear, if I ever have a son, I’m either going to take him to a cabin in the woods, or I’m going to promise to take him and then not take him. But the one thing that I will never do is not tell him that I’m taking him to a cabin in the woods, and then not take him!”
by mattyp on Jan 9, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is quite false
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
nah, as long as he recharacterizes it as
some kind of artistic foray into non-conformity with modern social mores and establishment dicta, coupled with an investigation of the cognitive reawakening made possible by mind-altering drugs, he should be okay. As long as incorporates words like Kafkaesque into the essay.
/thinks NYUers are really pretentious
/still would have wanted to go there (what can I say, it’s a really damn good school and its in an awesome part of NYC)
My first draft of my personal essay was basically just that
I explained my poor grades as function of a burning desire to not let the institutions of the world take away my individuality. I did indeed make references to Kafka and James Joyce, and even to a short story by Ursela Le Guin. I also got the drugs in there with a reference to Syd Barrett.
Then my school’s college counselor told me it wasn’t personal enough, and I took out most of that crap.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
America is fine
The deleted sex scene from Twilight managed to be better than the movie itself
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
why did you watch the movie?
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oh i didn't
i was just assuming
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
That was hilarious
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
A nicholas sparks novel
the handjob
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
That was dumb
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
easier just to get good grades
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
But I liked that idea for your personal essay
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah me too
It was fantastic writing also.
But my English teacher explained to me that they would only devote 3 minutes to reading the essay, so I couldn’t make it too smart.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sobriety was never your strong suit
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
abstinence was never your mother's strong suit
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I would think a college would want you to show off
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Says the Asian kid
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
you're one of those super smart kids who doesn't apply himself
aren’t you?
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not that smart
Memorization and work habits are a skill as well.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
work habits aren’t really a skill, more like how much the person wants to do what they are doing
poor work habit = not applying himself
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
work habits are definitely a skill, or a talent
I will say, though, that I spent most of my life acting like I just didn’t have the “gift” of work habits—but if I’d just learned to deal with it earlier I would have had a much smoother time of undergrad.
the problem lies with the people who use the excuse
as an excuse for why they aren’t applying themselves (ahem VEP)
I feel like there are a ton more people who think they have poor work habit (and chalk it up to talent) but in reality are just lazy whereas some people actually have issues focusing on the task
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
And some people are naturally gifted
and skate through school because it’s easy. And then it’s time for them to work hard, but there’s no one to teach them how to do that.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I figured it out in college, though.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Then again
The people who do sit down and do all of the homework will inevitably sacrifice some of their ability to think for themselves and maximize their intelligence, IMO. And that’s harder to work through later in life than poor work habits.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
College was more like that.
There were specific games that had to be played in order to get a good grade. It was tedious.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
well i disagree with this
but since that’s how you truly feel, i doubt you will ever get good grades
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like I'm failing
My GPA for high school is over a 3.0 and I go to a pretty tough school.
I do very well in the classes that don’t require busy work, and are more discussion based. College is less about doing copious amounts of work and more about understanding the material, no?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunatly
the only way to demonstrate that you do fully understand the material / issue is to do copious amounts of work on it.
Or a test?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Or understanding of the material...
It’s a cycle!
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
high school was pretty dumb most of the time, I won't deny that
but the main thing I wish I’d learned before my junior year of undergrad was how to apply myself to copious amounts of work. (In general I have trouble doing copious amounts of work whether I like/believe in it or not.)
Fair enough
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
you don't sound like a jerk in the last comment
but you kind of do in this one. If I’d gotten A’s in high school (or college) instead of C’s I wouldn’t have been not thinking for myself, I’d just have been less constantly worried about graduating than it turned out I was.
I'm not saying people who get good grades think less for themselves
I think people who spend 2 hours a night doing homework in order to get good grades think less for themselves.
Doing all of the work is any “easy” way out for some people, because it requires them not to have to think about the broader picture. Memorize for the tests, do all of the homework and you’ll get good grades no matter how smart you are.
But I don’t think thats the best path for learning.
Again, I fully acknowledge that a large part of my not doing homework is laziness.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, this is absurd
some people just take lots of studying to be able to grasp an idea. you act like most people just memorize and don’t conceptualize. i highly doubt that’s true
i don’t know, you’re looking at this from a high school perspective and that’s way too far back for me to really remember. i’m also one who barely graduated because i didn’t do my work because i didn’t feel challenged. shit isn’t like that in college, but there will still be classes with large amounts of busy work
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basically what you're saying is
“school makes ya dum”?
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I'm saying some aspects of school make you dumb, yes
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
There are two issues here
One is whether or not you are affected by a disorder, such as ADHD, which literally handicaps you from focusing on a task. My brother has ADHD, so I know he has trouble actually doing work. But I don’t think I have it.
The other issue is the range of talent in “normal” people in perseverance and work habits. I think that does exist, although it’s obviously possible to improve your talent through practice. My “dilemma” is that I know the work I’m supposed to be doing is stupid, so I feel like persevering through those emotions is a bad thing. Because while it will improve my grades, it may take away some of my intelligence or originality.
I realize I sound like a spoiled jerkass of the first order.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
going from personal experience here
it’s easy to rationalize that school is beneath you, or stupid, because you’re not very good at it.
Just do the work.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 9, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you know?
You’re an A student!
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Because I do my work.
Which got me into a good college
Which got me a good internship
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I got an internship as well...
Just sayin’.
If you’re saying that getting better grades will make me more successful in life, I agree.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah? That's news to me
Who’d you get an internship with?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Your mom.
The work is, er, open-ended.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
by spants on Jan 10, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
that's the first one i've laughed at in days
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
What Spants said
Also, UCLA last summer.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Well UCLA's baseball team is probably better than the Mariners...
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i was gonna ask how you knew that
but then I realized he’s Asian
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I refuse to spend an hour every night doing Trig homework
I really think it’s detrimental to my development (then again, so are a lot of things I do, so I guess I am picking and choosing which ones based on enjoyment).
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I promise you that doing an hour of Trig homework is not detrimental to your development
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
How can I trust you?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well one, Trig never took me an hour to do
And look at all the smart, perfectly intellectual people in the world that did.
Honestly, it’s just pretentiousness if you think that doing that extra hour of work is going to intellectually harm you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Why is it pretentious?
I literally can’t see any way in which learning how to do Trig, especially the type of “simplifying and substituting” type of work we’ve been doing all year, will teach me anything useful or help me later in life (outside of grades).
Meanwhile that time could be spent doing other things, such as learning and instrument or reading.
I don’t think that everything school tells me to do is good.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
ah
so you’re at the age that you’re mad that you’re learning things you’re not going to use in the future. this doesn’t go away until grad school. i’m studying to become a software engineer and i have a firm understanding of how DNA replicates. just the way it is
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by prophetjohn on Jan 10, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, I'm mad that I'm learning things that are pointless
DNA is very relevant to all of us and more interesting.
Knowing how to simplify an expression cannot possibly serve any purpose.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Among the scientific fields that make use of trigonometry are these:
acoustics, architecture, astronomy (and hence navigation, on the oceans, in aircraft, and in space; in this connection, see great circle distance), biology, cartography, chemistry, civil engineering, computer graphics, geophysics, crystallography, economics (in particular in analysis of financial markets), electrical engineering, electronics, land surveying and geodesy, many physical sciences, mechanical engineering, machining, medical imaging (CAT scans and ultrasound), meteorology, music theory, number theory (and hence cryptography), oceanography, optics, pharmacology, phonetics, probability theory, psychology, seismology, statistics, and visual perception, education.
i also learned the philosophy of freidrich nietzsche. how is that relevantto all of us. or really any of us?
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I think I'm not making myself clear
I’m not saying the Trig has no use in life. I’m saying the the type of problems we are learning how to solve, for example…
Verify the identity:
sin(a/3)*cos(a/3) = 1/2sin(2a/3)
..serve no purpose towards the practical application of Trig, nor do they expand my mind processes beyond improving my ability to memorize substitutions.
You’re right that learning about Nietzsche probably doesn’t have a lot of relevance to your life, but thinking about what he’s saying and trying making connections to your own life will in fact help you – both in the area of critical thinking and in terms of helping you understand some of the forces in your life.
Give me one way in which learning how to solve the type of problem above will help me at all.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
trig identities
are fundamental to the application of trig. not knowing that (sin^2)x + (cos^2)x = 1 is like not knowing that 1/(1/2) = 2*(1/1) = 2. or something
the last question is right back to this:
so you’re at the age that you’re mad that you’re learning things you’re not going to use in the future
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I think that distorts what I'm feeling
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
I would have guessed, from what you were saying
that you were an arts / humanities student; its very easy (and i know from experience) for people doing those subjects tend to think that they are immensly clever and ahead of the curve. Overconfidence can be a critical weakness and you have to be man enough (lol ‘man’) to admit that you are not some kind of supergenius.
Its not beyond the realm of possibility that scientific students can suffer from the same affliction. But as Danup says; just do the f’n work, you never know it might be harder than you imagine.
Well I liked math up until this year
Except for Geometry. But I liked Algebra, love stats. But I readily admit I’m terrible at Trig. I’ve never been good at solving math equations, and at least Algebra balanced that out with setting up the equations, but Trig is all about doing the tedious math, which I’m terrible at (not just lazy).
I don’t think I’m that smart. I think what I am good at is stuff that is not encouraged in most of my classes.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
let's be for real here
you haven’t taken any real math classes if algebra and trig are the highest you’ve taken.
there was a situation where someone said to one of my math major friends that he liked math until he got to calculus. the math major friend told him in response that that’s like saying you like literature up until you got to reading novels. i chuckled, but it’s kind of true
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That's what I've heard
And I’ll be taking calc the second half of this year.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
are you assigned like 50 problems every night
20 really long problems? i f you spent 5-7 hours a week doing trig problems, you’d be through the textbook in a month
i think you’re exaggerating. you don’t want to spend an hour doing trig once or twice a week.
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Here is my homework for tomorrow
Textbook p.465 #’s 8-24, 32-40, 50-52 even (Section 6.4)
Textbook pp.476-477 #’s 16-42, 68-78 even (Section 6.5)
So that’s 36 problems, and the last 5 are long word problems.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
that much is assigned daily?
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it should still not take an hour
it’s not like all those problems are page-long proofs
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But I suck at math
Or, at the very least, I’m not efficient. Never have been, even when I was trying.
Most of the kids in my class spend over an hour doing the homework.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
well,
you probably won’t have that much math homework in college. but it will be easier now and in the future if you actually knew trig well. and knowing any math well is achieved by doing it
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I agree with this.
I suck at math. I mean, I suck. I can barely make change without getting a pen out.
but I still made it through several math-based college courses. if I got stuck, I swallowed my pride and went to the student center and asked wtf I was doing wrong. at this point, it’s not about knowing it, it’s about doing it.
it’s like sex— oh.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jan 10, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I literally don't have the ability to sit down and do work which I know is stupid
Okay, some of it is laziness also.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have that issue too
Normally, I end up getting it done at 11-12 at night or before school starts in homeroom… or during a class
but i always end up getting it done one way or the other
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I usually just don't do it
Or I save it until the last day before the quarter ends.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 9, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
well if i did that
I’d probably literally fail out cause my teachers don’t give us that much leeway
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Are you in public or private school?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
private
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Same
Well I suppose it’s just the nature of my school, and it depends on teachers. Some won’t let me turn in late work, others really don’t care when I turn it in.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
then again
last semester, the only time i did homework at home was doing english essays
other than that, i literally did whatever homework i had at school
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
anon
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 10, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
the next movie i watch should be
moon
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/
or
un prophète
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235166/
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forgot the question mark
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i think this is what i'm going to do
un prophete tomorrow
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Spoiler alert!
Kevin Spacey’s voice is the robot.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 9, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
why have i not heard of either movie?
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 9, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
you have now!
moon was great, also
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I don't know how
super hardcore late night VEB raunchy chat, wound up being a discussion on VEP school life… but it did.
I do know this, however; good night everybody!
I feel sorry about this
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
it's amazing how late you stay up
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
haha well when you fly out to the Midwest
You have this going for you
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know what I was doing last night when I stumbled across this
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html
I wonder what a sociologist could say about the sports blogs.
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A glass of wine and OK Computer on the stereo.
What could possibly be better?
Only one thing: APu at 7 years, 10mil per.
So in other words, nothing.
by mattisnotfrench on Jan 10, 2011 1:55 AM EST reply actions
I think sex would be better
Or a fine steak dinner.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
*lobster
and the food of course is free
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
a bowl and kid a on headphones
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Or...
A bowl and a glass of wine, and kid a and ok computer synced perfectly together.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
i would rather it be a beer
or maybe some reese’s
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I think wine goes better with bud
Classier…
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
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