Deep Thinking about Depth
by azruavatar on Jan 30, 2011 10:09 AM EST
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PrintDepth is a tricky thing. Teams never know when, where or who the injury bug is going to strike. It may never strike over the course of a season or it may take out several key components of a team. No team has backup players that are of the same caliber as their starters. Resources are allocated to the players that will enjoy the bulk of the playing time and then backups are filled in from the free agent pool or the minor league system to minimize the risk.
The Cardinals in recent years have been criticized for not having sufficient depth. Most recently, the local media took issue with the starting pitching depth in 2010 after the loss of Brad Penny and Kyle Lohse in the span of weeks. Adam Ottavino and PJ Walters were insufficient reserves in the eyes of many (including some of the coaching staff) and the pressure mounted to acquire another pitcher toward the end of the year resulting in the Ryan Ludwick-Jake Westbrook swap.
Do the Cardinals have the necessary depth on their roster and in their farm system for 2011?
Let's start with the assumption that the position players look like this:
C: Yadier Molina, 1B: Albert Pujols, 2B: Skip Schumaker, 3B: David Freese, SS: Ryan Theriot, LF: Matt Holliday, CF: Colby Rasmus, RF: Lance Berkman
Major League Catcher Depth: Gerald Laird
Minor League Catcher Depth: Bryan Anderson
The hallowed tradition of backup catcher is even more inconsequential on a Tony La Russa team where the manager prefers his primary catcher play as many games as possible. Still the Cardinals have acquired a servicable if declining backup in Gerald Laird. Beyond that is the oft discussed, rarely used Bryan Anderson. The amount of playing time Anderson sees will be directly related to 1) Yadier's health and 2) reports from the starting pitchers Anderson catches in Spring Training.
Major League 1B/3B Depth: Nick Punto, Allen Craig
Minor League 1B/3B Depth: Matt Carpenter, Mark Hamilton
The Cardinals will be faced with an interesting choice should either their peg-legged third baseman go down or, gods of baseball forfend, Albert were to be injured. Nick Punto will be the defensive choice and, I suspect, the first option at 3rd. Allen Craig would be the choice should offense be needed and he would likely find his way on the field if Albert were to be injured -- right field most likely with Berkman shifting to first. In the minors, there's Matt Carpenter who has emerged as a stat favorite despite some tepid scouting reports. Alternately, the lefty Mark Hamilton who has battled injuries since his 2006 draft. Hamilton posted good but not great offensive numbers in Memphis for 2010 and is an all bat type of first baseman.
Major League 2B Depth: Nick Punto
Minor League 2B Depth: Daniel Descalso
Punto is the obvious choice to step in at 2B should schumaker go down. Indeed, he'll likely see time there when Schumaker needs to be spelled anyway. Daniel Descalso is the first resort in the minors. He had an excellent 2009 campaign in Springfield but his 2010 work in Memphis was slightly below average relative to the Pacific Coast League.
Major League SS Depth: Tyler Greene, Nick Punto
Minor League SS Depth: ?
If there's an area of concern, it almost has to be focused on how thin the Cardinals are at SS. I really hope that Tyler Greene is given every opportunity to prove himself a viable backup candidate at SS. Should he prove insufficient then Nick Punto is likely to step in if he's not needed elsewhere. Beyond those two, the Cardinals have little to offer in the minors. Freddy Bynum and/or Ramon Vasquez should not be considered options. Pete Kozma has yet to show he can handle Springfield so it would seem premature to pencil him in as a possible MLB SS in any capacity.
Major League RF/LF Depth: Allen Craig, Jon Jay
Minor League RF/LF Depth: Nick Stavinoha
It's even odds on whether the Cardinals turn to Allen Craig or Jon Jay to fill in for Holliday and Berkman. The decision, as it would with third base, would likely be dependent on their day to day needs for offense or defense given the specific circumstances of a game. Beyond those two players, the team is remarkably thin in Memphis for corner outfielders. The most likely candidate to move up would be Nick Stavinoha. Potentially, there's room for Amaury Cazana Marti to make his way to the majors here.
Major League CF Depth: Jon Jay
Minor League CF Depth: Adron Chambers
Jon Jay is a capable centerfielder and Adron Chambers has made his way up prospect lists in the last two offseasons. Both players are defense first players with good speed and little power. They'll hit for average and draw a moderate number of walks. If there's any weakness to the depth at this position, it's that the entire roster (barring the inanity of Tyler Greene in CF) is left handed at this position.
Summary
I'm mostly comforted after going through this process. I don't see an egregious holes on the roster. Shortstop would require a couple of failures to reach critical mass though it is probably the weakest position in terms of depth. The minor league crop of corner outfielders is troubling though part of that is the result of graduating two players (Craig, Jay) to the majors in 2010. You could see a player like Tommy Pham or Aaron Luna emerge as a mid year possibility depending on where they're assigned and how well they play to start the season.
The Cardinals have positioned themselves reasonably well to survive minor injuries and potentially even some larger ones among their position players. There are some starters that are obviously more vital than others -- would we even notice a Ryan Theriot injury in terms of on the field performance? Unlikely. -- but that is the nature of modern baseball.
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I feel pretty good about the starting 8
Sorry, I mean the starting 7 and then 9th. Can someone explain to me, again, the logic of batting the pitcher 8th?
Not that I would ever want to question the genius and infinite goodness of Our Dear Leader.
You want Pujols to bat 3rd and not 4th because that gives him more ABs during the season
However, it’s still nice to have him batting clean up, with the maximum numbers of guys on base (bases loaded) so you put 3 guys in front of him and hope that, from the 3rd inning on all 3 of them all get on base one inning and then Pujols dingers them in.
To do that, you bat the pitcher 8th.
That way Pujols is still effectively batting clean-up but also gets more ABs than he would if he was actually batting clean-up.
It’s kind of a virtual clean-up and the logic behind it isn’t terrible.
Boog would have made that play.
by thepainguy on Jan 30, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But has anyone actually provided statistical proof that this strategy makes any sense at all?
All this really does is create more at-bats for the pitcher’s spot over the course of the year.
by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
I know the logic of batting Pujols 3rd is solid. I don’t know how many more ABs it gives him, but it’s something like 20 or 30 (SWAG).
I think that far outweighs the fact that the pitcher gets marginally more ABs. It’s not like your normal number 8 hitter is going to be killing the ball (or else he wouldn’t be hitting 8th).
Boog would have made that play.
Is Waino batting really any worse than who ever is hitting 9th?
Last year it was Ryan; he didn’t exactly light the world on fire with the stick
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It's been proven that it's better to hit the pitcher 8th
but the gap is so inconsequential that it really does not matter.
And I wouldn’t mind the pitcher batting more often as the worst hitting position player on the team if our manager could just use a pinch hitter like a normal person and not double switch the team to death.
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YES.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I should have read down, since you already answered this, Alxfritz.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes.
There is an ever so slight advantage to batting the pitcher eighth. But it’s virtually a wash.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
evidently
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Jan 30, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Here's the link from THT:
Is LaRussa right to bat his pitcher in the eight slot?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, last year or maybe the year before
one of our authors here actually proved that it did raise the expected runs scored for the team.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
sorry, still think that logic is faulty
i favor putting apu in a position in which he bats as few times as possible with no one on, especially 2 outs no one on
batting 3rd makes that more common and hurts our run production
if he bats 4th and the first 3 fail, then he (our highest obp guy) leads off
seems better that way
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
he should bat cleanup
or if you really want to go with the logic of having him bat more times, bat him 2nd.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Given the way things work
…it’s better to just give Albert lots of at bats than to give those same at bats to some mere mortal.
Albert is much more likely to do something productive with those at bats than any other 3 hole hitter.
Boog would have made that play.
when "lots" only means 20/year,
it doesn’t seem enough to tip the balance toward him batting 3rd
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
If you use baseball musing lineup analysis
nearly every possible lineup that you insert will put the worst hitter in the 8th position. Their lineup analysis also puts the best hitter in the 4th position usually though. So the logic of the pitcher 8th is good, but I would still put Albert in the 4th slot.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
my take has always been
Albert hits in the 3 hole because there has rarely been a time in the last decade that the Cards had that prototypical 3 holer. Keith Hernandez is not walking through that door.
In the recent past I can nominate Drew and Larry Walker as close to the prototype, but mostly there hasn’t been a player solid enough hitting 3rd to bump Albert to his (I concede equally logical) clean-up spot.
The feature that the “Pujols should bat 4th”ers ignore is that with the pitcher hitting 8th, Albert IS the cleanup batter for 3/4ths or even 4/5ths of any given game. BUT, an argument could be made that the 9-1-2 table setters are significantly weaker than a 1-2-3 trio would be and that Albert could drive in more runs with the latter ahead of him than the former.
A solution (and one Tony has proven to not be averse to) is to eschew the normal 2-hole prototype and put the closest thing you DO have to a 3-hole hitter (sans Albert) in that 2-hole. Nominees: Colby, Holliday, Berkman; I vote for Rasmus
well according to The Book
you should have your second best hitter in the two hole. The 3-hole hitter is actually probably your 5th best hitter on the team, behind your 4th, 2nd, 1st, and 5th place hitters.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Jan 30, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is what frustrates me the most
tony thinks he is doing so much by his tinkering, but you have to know what spots are the best before it even matters
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
yep
the thing about lineup generators is they do not take into account the difference between hitters
if you consider apu, he is head and shoulders above anyone but holly, so if it’s 2 outs and no on, they still pitch around him because he is still better than holly. it’s not just the stats, its the approach opposing teams take.
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I just don't get insisting on batting Albert 3rd in the lineup when he's the best hitter
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
well you state that as if it's common knowledge that the #3 hole is not where the best hitter belongs
Whereas only people who look into lineup calculations (and everyone on this blog) actually know this – plus it’s pretty insignificant to worry about
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think it would make more sense to bat Albert 2nd
for one, he would get more ABs over the course of the year. Additionally, you put more pressure on the pitcher right away – all too often, he comes to bat in the 1st with the first two batters retired, and they throw crap to him. Just a thought.
by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
The 2nd and 4th positions in the lineup are nearly identical
They should be your two best hitters, with the cleanup hitter being the one with more power since he comes to the plate with runners on base more often than the 2-hole hitter
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
so my solution is not to change albert from the 3 hole to the 2 hole
but to the cleanup postion—while still batting the pitcher 8th.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
using ZiPS projections
Baseball Musings Lineup Analysis agrees with you on Albert in the 2-hole
link
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
don't see how you can call anyone "cleanup" after the first time through the lineup
personally i see clobby as the best candidate for #3
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
agreed
who should bat leadoff though? I’m assuming you are thinking batting pitcher 8th…
I just can’t figure out who would bat leadoff though. I want to say Freese, but maybe Freese would be better batting third. Berkman might work but he just doesn’t fit the leadoff role since he’s slow
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
schu obp is pretty bad for leadoff
so I’d switch freese and schumaker probably. but I could live with this lineup, even though there are a lot of mysterious circled r’s
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
.350 would be like, top 5 in the NL for a leadoff man
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hmm
I would think it would be higher than that. leadoff spot is underrated
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
unless you were saying that Freese would be a good leadoff guy
then I misread your comment
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Holliday
Isn’t he a prototypical Number 3 hitter? It would just leave this team with nobody to hit behind Pujols is the problem.
couldn't Berkman bat behind Pujols?
surely someone could
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a great piece from BTB on the subject
Optimizing your Lineup By The Book
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I'd be nervous about Nick Punto taking third
seems like he doesn’t have near the amount of bat needed for the position. David Freese can field 3rd just fine, so if Punto were to see serious time there, it’d be a bad situation rather than a defensive sub situation
Not ideal
It certainly isn’t ideal to have Punto playing everyday at one position (particularly one where you expect more offense, like 3rd). However, I’ve been a season ticket holder in Minneapolis for the past several years and have see ALOT of Punto. There’s no doubt that you cringe every time he comes to the plate. That said, there’s nobody I have ever seen on a regular basis that more decisively passes the eye test in the field. Nick Punto always makes the right play, and he always seems to have just enough to get there. I remember game 163 (one game playoff against the Tigers) two years ago. In extra frames with (I think) Granderson batting, the bases loaded, and infield at double play depth, a slow chopper was hit to Punto at second. I have to believe most other guys would have tried to turn two, and likely have failed. Punto charged, didn’t hesitate, and fired to the plate to get the out by a hair. Twins got out of the inning and won the game a couple of innings later. It’s one example, I know. But the Twins have won a bunch of division titles in the last few years with Nick Punto getting what seemed to be way too much playing time. He brings alot of skill that doesn’t show up in the box score.
yeah, he'd be like a slightly better Feliz at third
but what ya gonna do. I will be surprised if Craig makes it there, or if Carp Jr is allowed to
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
You guys! Jeff Mangum is doing shows this year!
I haven’t been this excited since Pavement did shows last year.
have dates been announced?
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by prophetjohn on Jan 30, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
He's playing the ATP festival in New Jersey I know.
I’m not sure about any other dates.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jan 30, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
according to Wikipedia he's playing
that date and another show at the Paramount theater this coming fall.
If it’s anything like this (it won’t be), I’d give a limb to be there
by mattyp on Jan 30, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
that, with the acquisition of Punto, and the graduation of Jay and Craig to big league status, the bench is in pretty good shape. Punto may be an unexciting prospect if Freese goes down but it is highly unlikey that TLR would feel comfortable calling Descalso or Carpenter up anyway. Without Punto we’d go through the usual suspect signings.
I actually find Laird kind of interesting and think he might be an upgrade over our recent backup catchers. I hope he plays well enough to give Yadi more rest.
I also hope that Greene wins the fifth spot on the bench. The prospect of some outfield work might give him enough playing time to show he belongs.
yay depth!
i honestly think jay is the perfect fourth outfielder, even though he’s left handed. the thought of anyone in our outfield going down, however, is not very fun.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions
rui's mom is going to be in our outfield?
as recompense for a bad joke, seen this mysterui? Yankees Internship
word is the Cardinals are also looking for a new baseball ops guy under Girsch, but the position is only open internally right now. Might want to inquire about it though if you know anyone in the FO.
by mattyp on Jan 30, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm actually grabbing lunch with Sig on Friday...
Interestingggggggggggggg
Where did you hear this?
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Oh now I'm all excited
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I'd get excited as well if my job requirement was
‘having a strong knowledge of current baseball players’
I miss gdm
also "knowledge of baseball terminology"
I think I qualify. Yesterday’s NYT crossword had the clue “smallish ballpark” and I immediately put in “bandbox.” With no crosses even!
hmmm identifying pitch types by video?
just like, seeing a pitch and saying “that’s a slider”? maybe I should learn SQL and move to NY…
Yeah, the Seattle guys had to do that
My fiancee is very opposed to living in New York though, so no dice for me
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But I'm applying anyways
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mention any Cards connections
they supposedly think very highly of the org. I know someone full-time in the stats dept. there who came directly from a Cards internship.
You have all these connections haven't told me anything?!
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"Learning"
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That was the easiest application I've filled out in weeks
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That was actually one of the better mysterui's mom jokes
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
he's seeing a lot of interest
so wed probably have to trade for him
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by prophetjohn on Jan 30, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
think a package of miller/carpenter could get it done?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
we would have to send cash
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by prophetjohn on Jan 30, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
damnit.
deal off.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Shouldn't Greene and Punto be enough?
Laird at C in a pinch
Berkman at 1st in a pinch
Descalso at 2nd in a pinch
Greene at SS in a pinch
Punto at 3rd in a pinch
Craig in LF in a pinch
Jay in CF in a pinch
Chambers in RF in a pinch
For a worst-case-scenario-ever team, I’ll take that
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shouldn't freese, mather and wallace be enough?
oh…oh god
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by prophetjohn on Jan 30, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Kozma!
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Also Wallace wwasn't Major League depth
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shouldn't freese, mather, barden and thurston be enough?
oh…oh god
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by prophetjohn on Jan 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
i feel like i'm forgetting someone
who was supposed to be a legit 3B option going into ’09
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by prophetjohn on Jan 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Glaus?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Going into '09, we knew he'd be out awhile
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I thought he was originally supposed to be back the end of April.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
yeah, that's right
then he started progressing nicely
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don't forget Floppy, Happy and Gritty
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i'm setting the O/U of WAR on that team at whatever pujols is worth in 2011.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
The more interesting question, az
is the Cards’ depth in the pitching area, especially the starters. What do the Cards have if one (or more) of the starters goes down? By my reckoning, there is Lynn and Augenstein at the minor-league level, and Snell, Ottavino, and Walters who have some major-league experience. I suppose there is also McClelland and Bautista. But, given the injury history of the current starters, I find this the weakest area of depth for the Cards, at least currently. Hopefully, Lynn will pitch at the start of 2011 like he pitched the last half of the year in 2010. Even so, injuries here are the fastest way for major problems to develop.
Yeah,
but one can play the starting pitching depth game for any franchise. Who do the Cubs have if one or more starters go down? Wellemeyer and Looper. The Brewers? The Phillies? Really, only the Reds and maybe the Braves have what I would consider true starting pitching depth, but even they have question marks. The cliché that there is no such thing as starting pitching depth is very true.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The Augenstein pickup was savvy, IMO. And Snell is a suitable 6th/7th starter.
Both are candidates for some Duncan pixie dust.
Also, Tallet is capable of starting if it gets that bad. His 2009 year of starting wasn’t completely terrible (160 innings, 4.68FIP, 4.93xFIP). We can then just replace Tallet with Valdes or a RH bullpen arm like Sanchez, Reifer, Salas, etc.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 30, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think Augenstein was a great pick-up.
He is Lohse without the $12.18MM price tag.
There was a nice post on Fangraphs looking at notable pitchers baed on MLEs. Here is the Augenstein section:
Name: Bryan Augenstein, 24, RHP
Organization: Arizona St. Louis (courtesy reader WY) Level: Triple-A
Actual: 120.2 IP, 22/22 GS/G 7.53 K/9, 2.61 BB/9, 0.90 HR/9, 3.86 FIP
zMLE: 123.7 IP, 22/22 GS/G, 6.33 K/9, 2.77 BB/9, 1.24 HR/9, 4.62 FIP
Notes
• John Sickels (a) calls him a "srike-throwing innings-eater" and (b) is smarter than me.
• That said, he (i.e. Augenstein) featured one of the better translated K/BB differentials in all of the minors.
• He also seems to’ve sustained average-y groundball rates.
• Had a .385 BABIP-against and 58.2% LOB rate, largely because Reno (and the PCL, generally) is a nightmare.
• Studies find that Reno is a nightmare for a number of other reasons.
Bill James projects Lohse to have a 4.36 FIP over 113 IP with a 5.28 strikeout rate, 3.42 walk rate, and 1.04 HR rate. I like the Augenstein signing as much as I dislike the Lohse signing. If Lohse goes down, we have a very capable arm to fill in his rotation slot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Agree completely. Each of the five starters has SIGNIFICANT time lost on the DL.
There is little comfort to be found in the Memphis starting staff.
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Position player depth is pretty good..Mo deserves some credit
Punto is a switch-htting, plus defender at 3 IF spots. He has averaged 1.7fWAR over the last 3 years (over an average of 368PAs). Normalized to 500PAs, that’s 2.1fWAR. And he’s on a cheap, one-year deal. That’s a good backup at 2B, 3B, and SS. Greene can also play all of these positions, has upside, a boatload of tools, is a very good baserunner, and even has some power. These two are a good combo of experience/youth, defensive prowess, speed, some power, and switch-hitting capability. I see very little dropoff between the starters at 2B and SS and these guys (which, admittedly, says more about the starters).
Craig is the primary backup for the corner outfield spots and, really, 1B (assuming Berkman slides to first and Craig goes to RF). He’s had a +.400wOBA in AAA the last two years and has favorable projections (like a .350wOBA from Bill James) this year. No one is going to “replace” hitters like Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman, but Craig is a good option with upside.
Jay is capable at all three OF spots and is a very good 5th OF option.
All in all, I think the depth is looking very good. Importantly, I don’t see any way TLR is going to fuck it up unless there loads of injuries (and every team has bad options when too many injuries occur). If he plays Jay or Craig at any of their possible positions, I’m fine with it. If he plays Punto at any infield position (other than 1B), I’m fine with it, likewise with Greene. If he plays Laird, I’m fine with it.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 30, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I agree 100% on the MIF.
In fact, I’d prefer that Punto start at second base and Greene at shortstop with Schumaker and Theriot as bench players.
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that would be really cool
except I’d switch Greene and Punto’s positions
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
eye test comes up green(e)
disclaimer is that I can’t remember a lot about Theriot at SS, and even less of Punto, but I see Greene as having Boog-like skills. I’d love to see Tyler as the everyday SS and divvy out Riot, Punto,Schu as may be
Also, one thing to consider...
is that Skip Schumaker is at least a temporary option in RF/LF if there are injuries. Punto/Greene/Descalso can slot into his role at 2B (and probably upgrade 2B in doing so).
This would be a different way of addressing the issue of limited minor league corner outfield depth. In essence, Descalso is the roster replacement.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 30, 2011 1:01 PM EST reply actions
GOB willing, Schumaker will never again play the outfield.
He is not good enough defensively to play center field and his SLG is nonexistent. Here are his SLGs over the past three seasons:
.406
.393
.338
Batted ball luck ought to cause his SLG to go up this year and Bill James predicts as much: .372. No corner outfielder should have a SLG that low.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Honestly, we're just talking about worst-case-scenarios here
Jay and Chambers project about that low, right?
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Yeah, but they would probably be average to above average defensively.
Skip Schumaker, despite having the physical appearance of a fleet-footed outfielder, is slot and has poor range. He is a below average defensive corner outfielder and a outright poor center fielder. I would much rather have Jay or Chambers manning a corner position.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm talking about Schumaker as an alternative to Stav/Cazana...
Presumably, Schu playing the OF woud require injuries to Berkman or Holliday, then Craig, and then Jay. At that point, Schu may become a possibility for a couple of games rather than Stav or Cazana.
It isn’t pretty, but Schu playing 5 games in RF, hopefully against RHP, won’t be the end of the world. Hopefully Adron impresses during spring training (or even Tyler Henley) and adds other possible names to the list.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Stav is horrid
and Cazana is banned from MLB, so yeah
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
2 weeks until Pitchers and Catchers report
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well, we've got until alberts report
but still
SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS
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doesn't Albert always report early?
like Molina early?
it’s gettin to scary time!
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
there are 19 days left
according to the Albert Pujols countdown clock. That thing’s gotta be accurate, right?
There aren't really any concrete indications, though.
We don’t know if the two sides are currently inches, feet, or miles apart in negotiations.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
this is how logic works
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it tells us nothing
the keeping the talks private is obviously working well, you’ve just gotta ignore the Olney/Heyman types who think opinions are better than real news
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
And if I respond that the lack of bad signs tells us that it is going well?
I don’t know if it’s going well or not, but given the lack of concrete information, I think it is easy for us to project our gut feeling onto the situation, which doesn’t do much good.
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no, it tells us Albert is a traitor
how about he works a regular jo b and see how us reglar people have to scrape by just to buy food and school. Then he oughtta know what’s real life like and stop being greedy.
Yes I'm sure the guy who grew up in the Dominican and runs a charity to help people wallowing away in poverty
needs a reminder that he’s in an advantageous economical position.
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and has raised millions of dollars for people in
Africa to have clean drinking water. I don’t know, he seems like a pretty humble guy.
by mick311 on Jan 30, 2011 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How long do you think this stuff takes?
It takes one frickin day to hammer out a deal like this. The entirety of the issues are total comp and years, with some minor negotiations about the parameters of deferred comp, bonuses, etc. Moreover, the parties have done multiple business deals just like it before (indeed, the same two parties have previously signed a $100MM deal so even the scale isn’t all that different).
This is not an especially complicated business deal. It’s not like they’re building a nucelar power plant and need NRC approval. There’s no need for “good signs” a few weeks before it gets signed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
one day?
Multi-million dollar transaction routinely take forever to negotiate and often get resolved right before a self-imposed deadline. Why do you think so many complex and expensive lawsuits settle right before, or even during, trial? Albert has incentive to wait until the last minute. The Cardinals know his deadline. Albert knows they want him. Waiting a few more days may bean another $10 mil. It’s solid negotiation strategy and not in any way indicative of how close or how far apart the parties are.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
The parameters of a deal are already understood, it’s just a money and years negotiation with some associated smaller issues so it can easily get wrapped up in one day, likely in the day(s) before the deadline.
Why do you think so many complex and expensive lawsuits settle right before, or even during, trial?
Yes, this is what I do for a living and sometimes for amounts exceeding Pujols’ contract. And these are usually much, much more complicated and acrimonious, with many more moving parts and unknowns. Moreover, in complex trials, the parties often have very different assessments of the risks and rewards, based on things from jury compositon to pending legal motions to related business deals to chances on appeal to how the lawyers in the deal get paid. And these still get done in one day when the pressure is on.
None of this at issue in the Pujols negotiations. Here, the Cards know they’re going to have pay Pujols somewhere between Ryan Howard’s/Teixiera’s deals and up to ARrod’s deal. The Cards are going to offer as much as they can afford and Pujols will have to make the call on whether he thinks he can get more later. It’s not that complicated of a negotiation.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 30, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
After re-reading your initial comment, I realized you and I were making the same point. Interestingly, we are also coming from the same background (complex civil litigaiton). This deal will get done. There simply isn’t enough incentive for it to happen until one side (the Cardinals) feel the pressure of an absolute deadline.
The thing I think will be interesting is if....
Pujols’ demands just outstrip what the club can afford (or goes beyond their hard cap).
Let’s say Pujols won’t accept anything under 10/300 at this point…I can’t imagine the Cards offering that. Just a guess but I think a deal get’s done somewhere around 8/220, if it gets done.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 31, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
While it is certainly a possibility
the he will not be signed, I’m not sure there is much in terms of signs to suggest how it will end up going. It looks like a reasonable assumption that Pujols is dead set on maximizing what he can get from the Cards this time around. It’s a perfectly reasonable assumption that the Cards are savvy enough negotiators to not make their best offer until the final hours. If the Cards make their best offer right now, Pujols would likely assume they’d really sweeten it a bit more at the very end. So if there are any signs to me, it’s just that the dog and pony show will continue on up until his stated deadline.
Up until that point I think the main goal is just not to do anything to piss him off for a few weeks.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
for all we know, mo and pujols figured out his extension
In october, and they just figured that they could squeeze five or six more “negotiation dinners” at tony’s out of bill dewitt if they didn’t tell him till february.
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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2011 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Tony is a vegetarian
He’s not allowed to host these dinners.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 30, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
not that tony's.
The other one, in downtown St. Louis
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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2011 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh thank God
A tofu dinner would be viewed as insulting, and we’d probably be required to add a year and a few million extra per as punishment.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 30, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we can expect anything on a Sunday, anyway
because they have to close the deal at a Goedecker’s. or something.
would've.
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Aren't miles shorter than feet?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well, IIRC,
the Cardinals and Pujols averted the arbitration deadline less than 24 hours before the arbitration hearing was supposed to take place. Which is apparently was a good thing, because Pujols was apparently going to personally attend the hearing to hear the Cardinals’ argument as to why he didn’t deserve what he was asking for.
Poor Canada
Just got there internet jacked with bandwidth limits and fees. No more unlimited for them anymore.
so, just for fun, i was seeing what jobs were out there for mlb teams
one piqued my interest. a creative services internship, in other words, a writing job. the one hitch? it’s with the reds. so much for that.
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
what about grounds crew? would you take that?
by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
possibly...
although the fact that I have cerebral palsy kinda takes the fun out of that. It’s a struggle for me to use my left hand a lot.
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
please note that the question was purely hypothetical
personally, I have a desk job that I’m not exactly thrilled with, and would jump at the opportunity to work on a MLB groundscrew. I suppose some folks would think different.
by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
my ideal kind of job
would be something like the reds’ creative services internship, just not with the reds. i’d be cool if something like that with the tigers opened up, since i live close to detroit. really that would be about my only option right now… but it would be a dream if the cards happened to have an open spot.
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
they always have concessions spots available it seems.
but working at a concession stand would fucking suck.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
i've actually been considering
applying for a concessions job at busch. if i have to work a shitty job it might as well be in the vicinity of something i love.
if Pujols doesn't get signed this offseason, do you think there's any chance he would remain a Cardinal?
I suppose there’s some chance, but I’m just wondering what the general opinion is
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions
probably hurts his chances
as someone pointed out; this is the last time the Cards have chance for prolonged, exclusive negotiation with Pujols.
I miss gdm
well
yeah, I know it hurts his chances. just wondering if there would be much of a chance left
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
if he doesn't sign soon, he's more than likely gone.
personally, i think if he doesn’t sign, he won’t be a cardinal in 2012, no questions asked.
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I think it would be more like 25% than 0%
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think more like 5%.
I just don’t think he’ll be a Cardinal if he doesn’t sign before the season starts.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Jan 30, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
i think there is a chance
in fact I’m skeptical that the Cardinals are willing to pay what it would take for Pujols to abandon his chance to test the free market. But once the free market arrives I think the Cardinals will open up their DeWallets and maybe even get him signed.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jan 30, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
basically the Cardinals aren't willing to go high enough
to sign him until other teams (Nationals) offer 11/389
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jan 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
yeah if you think about it
they would have another year to make sure he will be healthy, etc
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
All I know is
That if Pujols doesn’t sign by spring training. I will marry a lady from Cleveland so we can wallow together.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 30, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't wish Cleveland on my worst enemy
by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
At least they're not Detroit.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I've been to Detroit
it sucked, but not nearly as much Little Rock. If there were a vote on the worst city in America, I’d vote Little Rock.
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by That's a Winner on Jan 30, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
when your screen name popped up
At first I thought I saw “That’s a Weiner.”
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds like a great new slogan for Cleveland
At least we’re not Detroit!
by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think I will go with a 20% chance
luckily a few teams will be out of the race… that would make things a little easier
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
His price goes up once there are more suitors
if DeWitt isn’t willing to pay what’s required now, he won’t be willing to pay it in 10 months unless Pujols has an injury-plagued or other such down year. I’d say there’s about a 2% chance he re-signs if this goes until the end of the year.
Honestly what scares me the most is
The team that needs a 1B going forward and might have some cash to spend is the Cubs.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 30, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Remember how jarring it was to see Edmonds in a Cubs uniform?
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
won't. ever. happen.
it just won’t.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oh okay fang
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he's said he hates playing at wrigley
that’s something
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The history and the field is all good," he said. “I always look forward to play (here) because it’s a great rivalry. (But) the playing field and all that, it’s not in the best condition you know. You’re glad you don’t have to play here for the whole year.”
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cue conspiracy theory
chemical leaching from the building → insanity.
would've.
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Was he the guy
That was telling us the division was ours all summer?
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 30, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
yep.
but then pedro feliz became a cardinal.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I pretty much agreed with you
On that, and I do on this too. I just reserve a little more room for myself to be wrong!
I see this deal as being destined to go right to the wire. If it goes into spring training then it probably isn’t going to happen, but I’m not going to worry about it right now. Even then I have enough faith that we’ll give a strong enough offer to be able to move on if we get beat out on it.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 30, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not losing sleep over the whole pujols thing.
but it’s probably because i haven’t even really thought about the cardinals without pujols. i’m in denial and won’t really admit he’s gone until opening day 2012 when he doesn’t come to the plate.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
haha i have the same attitude
Plus, I think he’s going to sign. The real trick is finding out what this special per year value is, because if it’s $30 million that Pujols wants and we aren’t giving him, then he’s obviously gone.
But if it’s like $35 million and Pujols is just being a greedy bastard (which I don’t think he’d get anywhere), then I think Cards have a GREAT chance to sign him next offseason
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
fuck you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14622097/pujols-hitting-open-market-be-very-afraid-st-louis
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
If Pujols did decide to hit the open market, we would be talking about CRAZY money. He could buy the island of Hispaniola.
by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
20 shillings to one quid
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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
For Pujols, the sky would be the limit. Imagine the Yankees and Red Sox competing for him. The Mets getting involved. The Dodgers and Angels. White Sox and Cubs. Let me say that again: The Cubs. Trying to get Albert Pujols.
The Cardinals can’t let this happen, can they? Pujols wouldn’t even think about it. Would he?
I can’t see the Yankees, Red Sox, or White Sox getting him and I really really doubt he’s going to the Cubs (My dad kept asking me what I would think if he went to Cubs and I told him it was a stupid hypothetical question since it’s never going to happen)
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
i'd actually be quite happy with that guy's proposal
6yrs, 245! Wait, that might be a little crazy.
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
it's only 40.83/year!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
but we won't be paying him to play at 40
and according to fWAR, his value has already exceeded his salary by 126 M. So really if we look at it as one huge 17 year contract, it’ll probably be quite worth it.
SIGN PUJOLS!
OPEN DEWALLET!
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shut up.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
i keep hearing they are more likely going for Prince
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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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if they sign prince it's a lolz
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
signing prince? let's go crazy!
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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well since the D-Backs changed their uniforms, that leaves only one team.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Not true
His price goes up once there are more suitors
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well it really depends on what he's asking for
I mean if he’s holding out because he wants $35 million, then I’d agree with you that his price won’t go up anymore because I don’t even see any teams giving him that much.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
More suitors doesn't necessarily mean higher offers.
With Pujols there is a practical ceiling, it’s not a bargaining game.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Of course there is a chance
There aren’t that many teams with higher payroll potential than the Cardinals who would be in the mix (especially given that the Yankees, Red Sox and now probably Angels are out of it – lol at Vernon Wells).
And, all things being equal, Pujols would want to remain a Cardinal.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
it will of course depend on any ill will that might arise out of the meetings now I guess
but then again, there would be a full season there too
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
I can't imagine Mo will be hard enough to foster any ill will between the two
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
little or no chance
if the two sides can’t agree now, why would things be any different eight months from now?
When Pujols realizes that no team is going to pay 35 million for him
And he’d rather except the Cardinals 28 million a year offer than the Blue Jays 30 million a year offer.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Money has diminishing marginal utility, for one
At that high of a number, other external factors are more important than money
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it's not that simple
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I mean if you are that fucking rich, what difference does $15 million dollars make?
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
$15m worth of difference.
its easy to assume that prince albert of albertonia would be so noble, but there’s no actual reason whatsoever to truly believe otherwise. 15 million will put about 150 of his future family through college, at the least.
it will also buy a ton of letter g's
to put in places they don’t belong. that shit adds up.
by adiueordie on Jan 30, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said, diminishing marginal utility
The first $100 million are more valuable than the second $100 million
At a certain point, other factors become more important than the money. It’s simple economics
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the hell do you know about economics
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He handles all of his mom's finances
So his particularly verse in… underground economics.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
not your strongest work
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
underground economics -> economic affairs that aren't legal
For example, prostitution.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I knew what you were trying to say
It was just poor. You’ve done better
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
your welcome?
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
my welcome?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
his welcome?
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
The first dollar you make, you spend on food
The second dollar you make, you spend on clothes
The third dollar you make, you spend on housing
The millionth dollar you make, you spend on a house
The 100 millionth dollar you make, you spend on a yacht
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My point being, once all of his needs are taken care of, it becomes less about the money
And more about his image, his family, etc.
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but that money will be around longer than he will
he can support the next five generations of his family with this contract.
and supporting the the next generation
is of less marginal utility than supporting the current generation
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trust me, i took freshman micro, like, 3 years ago
got this shit figgered
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ok, i was about to say
unless you took freshman micro, you’re probably wrong.
by adiueordie on Jan 30, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If it makes you feel any better, I majored in it
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I'm still horny.
I mean wistful! I’m wistful!
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When do we start buying hookers and blow?
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 30, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
when does mysterui's mom go on sale?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
ahaha, niiice
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
every dollar spends the same
but each additional dollar is of less value to albert pujols
or any individual really
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They are teaching you guys some commie ass shit in colleges these days.
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i think you just misinterpret it
making sure you have food for the next table represents a greater sense of urgency than making sure there is food on the table 100 years in the future. that’s all that’s really being said
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Twas just a joke.
I understand what you’re saying from a macro aspect, but from a micro aspect, fuck that, PAY ME!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
oh, i agree
but $300MM is so far from my reality that’s it’s near impossible for me to even consider how i’d feel about $10MM if i already had 290
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Obviously based purely off money value, yes Pujols should go to Jays
But he’ll also lose the respect of Cardinals fans – something I think he cares about dearly – and the chance to be Stan the Man Part II – also something I think he cares about with his insistence to not want to be called “the Man”
Not to mention, he’s leaving where his family lives, moving his family to a different city (and different country if we use Jays), and have a completely different clubhouse
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Plus Canada
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think they would have to overpay him
just to make up the tax difference. I’m normally mistaken, though.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I don't understand why people think he'll move his family if he goes to another team.
Maybe, like most players, his family will live in a different city than where he plays.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ok well that seems worse than moving your family
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Family
I think that family is more important to Pujols than some other players. I don’t mean to say that other players care less about their families but I think Pujols is very committed to making his career as easy on his family as he can. He’s very involved in the St. Louis community as well and I think that will actually play a huge part in any desire to stay in St. Louis.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 31, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
There's also no way he'd get back what he paid to build his compound.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Some guy, somewhere
is ten million dollars short on his gold coated rocket jet car and has to buy a silver coated rocket jet car instead, and he thinks you’re a real jerk.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
the problem with this idea (which is of course correct, generally)
is that it breaks down in an individual setting. We’re not designing income tax brackets, we’re talking about one middle-aged Latin dude who has a talent for hittting a baseball.
Let’s hypthosize a different motivation:
Pujols equates total money to “respect” and the team that offers him the most respects him the most.
Let’s do another: Pujols’ agent will advise his client to take the deal with the most total money because it’s in the agent’s best interests.
I’d say both of these are better bets to be true than Pujols’ appreciation of the declining marginal utitlity of the next additional dollar to his contract.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 31, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
because there is leterally no difference between 250 mil and 260 mil. Literally.
wait, no…not literally
so when does Bastille Day kick in?
would've.
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gonna have to listen to that Rush song now
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Haha that's what I first thought too
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
by the way, I've been meaning to ask you
Do you know of any free recording software I can get? Because garage band is fucking terrible.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
audacity is great
totally free. if you end up wanting some editing software, which you probably will, I’d fork out the dough for Sony Movie Studio 9; it comes with Sound Forge which I have used for a long time as my audio editor. and it also comes with a video editor, which usually can come in handy if you are into video at all. I haven’t had a lot of luck with the free editors out there. Audacity is a multitrack recorder which can bounce down your mix to stereo. and it has a few cool effects, but not as much as sound forge. the editor in audacity is not as efficient is the bottom line.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'll try audacity, thanks
I’m trying to record some covers with my friends and a few original songs – nothing too fancy. Garage band picks up a ridiculous amount of slide from the guitar and isn’t intuitive at all.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
might be whatever your input is on your computer
I haven’t used garage band though… it does seem to have a kind of tinny sound to it from what I’ve heard.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I second Audacity
I don’t even know how to use it, and it works great.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
audacity plus audiomulch (free trial version)
is a good setup for music.
Enter vivaelpujols
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I've been wanting to buy audiomulch for years
I used to use that a lot
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
so i saw scott pilgrim vs. the world last night.
basically i spent most of the movie either thinking or saying WTF.
i have never felt so old. and it wasn’t the fast-paced aspect that i didn’t like. it was that it was just random and sort of not funny at all.
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for real. its depressing. but at least i have a job!
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by IHeartBoog on Jan 30, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Too mean
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i KNEW you were going to say that.
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I fear I've become too predicatable
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You should mix it up
Your smart, Asian persona is kind of played out anyway. Come back as a plucky Swede and lets see what develops.
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yeah, I'm not even going to watch that one
seems a bit too goofball or something. and I totally know what you mean by the lame humor.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
no, it was smart humor. but there wasn't much of it.
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well, lame doesn't necessarily mean dumb humor
but I dunno, it looked pretty silly to me. but then again I was a teenager a while ago!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
same thing happened to me
I’m still in high school though
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
See I liked it strangely enough
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
I told you!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I liked it
you must just be square.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
phillies about to complete the juggernaut
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/grilli-appears-likely-to-sign-with-phillies.html
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Well, now that they've signed him, I am certain we need an updated HBT projection
Surely it will raise to make the Phillies get in first
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 30, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
WTF
Why haven’t we signed him yet….seriously….what the fuck?
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RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
so....
a foot + of snow for kirksville. 1/2 inch of ice (or more) + half a foot of snow for STL, then double digit below zero (actual, not wind chill) temps on wednesday night. this is going to be a fun week.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 8:32 PM EST reply actions
i just got back from a bike ride
i wore shorts and a t-shirt
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holy shit, 37 here
i guess i should stock up on kerosene and non-perishables. shit’s about to get real
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I'm going to be so miserable.
I already have a cold. That 30 degree swing ain’t gonna help.
Is it March 31st yet?
Cold snap here, too. Down to about 85. Red shirt protestors wearing red jackets.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
it's already too late for looting, I hear.
so… put those crowbars away.
would've.
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Afraid of having work overrun
by people looking for kerosene.
Oh, wait. We’ve probably run out, again.
/inventorymanagementisnotourstrengththisyear
Is it March 31st yet?
Ugh
I actually need to be at work by 6:30am on Tuesday and Thursday. 4:30 wake ups here I come!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
wednesday will probably be the worst from a traveling standpoint.
though getting home on tuesday won’t be the easiest thing ever done.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
It'll be a nightmare regardless
six inches of snow (on my end, it was only three at my destination) turned my normal 31 mile, 45 minute drive into an hour and a half two weeks ago. I can’t imagine what real accumulation will do.
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where's work located?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Air Force Base
I found out Sommer works across the flightline from me a few weeks ago on twitter. Small internet.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that's funny.
and that’s one hell of a commute. at least you’re going the opposite way of traffic.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I like the drive, honestly. Time to myself to wake up in the morning and wind down in the afternoon.
as long as the weather is okay, though.
It’s the drive that folks who live in west county or the metro east or beyond that work in the city have to do that would drive me nuts. I don’t mind driving for 45 minutes as long as I’m moving at a decent speed the whole time.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i absolutely, ABSOLUTELY agree.
i was always jealous in high school when my dad would drop me off for school because he had 30 minutes left of driving to do and i wasn’t quite awake and ready for school to begin. i definitely wouldn’t mind a 30-45 minute/60-65 mph commute in the morning to have time to myself, listen to the radio, and drink coffee.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
here's to hoping siue is not the usual snob and shuts down for at least a day
cheers
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
my buddy goes to SIUE and shoved it in my face when they class canceled after the foot of snow.
i would like that not to happen again.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
actually, out of all the schools in the area
siue is always the least likely and last to close
so when we do close, it’s for a good reason
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
well, it was 13 inches of snow. so it's tough to blame them.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 31, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
the only thing i blame them for is waiting until 5 am to announce it
so i still have to do homework just in case
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I swear to god, if this snowstorm prevents me from getting lunch on Friday
I will literally kill something
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find me a job on friday too, would 'ya?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
maybe keep some food in the house?
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No, it's a lunch where I'm meeting somebody
Somebody very very very important to my future
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Charles Widmore?
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Doc Brown
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i'm sure gdm would reschedule
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YEAH!
hopefully it can wait until… about 10:00 tomorrow cause i gotta stay at school to finish my school newspaper and i don’t want to drive home in the ice (and i will have to do a work night some time and since no teachers give a shit on mondays, then might as well have school on that day)
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Have you seen this?
Weeks sets Spring Training as deadline for extension negotiations. Who the hell does he think he is? Albert Pujols?
I need signature suggestions. The Boog and the Walrus have both departed. And it's not funny anymore... sniff
my roommate wants him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Aranthor?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I ALMOST SPELLED YOUR NAME RIGHT!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
oh come on, it was a great joke
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
but he is SO fast
oh wait…
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Well not entirely
He has made a deal with Prince Fielder to split the purposed Pujols money between the two of them and become the new right side of the Cardinals infield.
Poor fool doesn’t realize the team will never have more than 2M budgeted for second base. Maybe an extra million if the player has sufficient grit but he will be disappointed.
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by That's a Winner on Jan 30, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
i pity the foo'
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jan 30, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
i personally think he just wants to get paid and when they fail to re-sign him
he can now blame the brewers
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
brad penny tries out a new delivery
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'bout to deliver some LOL PWNAge on the twitterz.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
so what do you guys think are the chances of the WWL
coming out with an albert-says-he-wants-to-stay-in-stl-but-he’s-given-the-cardinals-a-number-he-knows-they-can’t-pay-so-he-doesn’t-look-like-the-bad-guy-for-leaving story within the next 19 days?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Desperate? White? Straight? Will-take-anything-with-legs-and-breasts? Drunk?
Attend Liverpool Student-Fest. Make life shit for the rest of us.
I miss gdm
Wow, life sounds so much more spohisticated over there.
Legs and breasts!?! Talk about high standards!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Nice way of asking fang to come over there
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
yes
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
what guy wouldn't?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 31, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
guys who can get laid whenever they want
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
are you claiming you belong in that group.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 31, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
that would be awfully arrogant
i’m basically in your boat but with time on my side
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
this is true.
considering you’re not in college yet.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 31, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Well your more than welcome
on my count, roughly 100% of the student population here are sluts.
I miss gdm
well, let's get liquored up and do it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 31, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
interesting.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
by spants on Jan 31, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He definitely should've visited me at USC
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saint. patrick's. day.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 31, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
whichever the news is, from where do you guess you'll first hear it?
WWL?
local channel?
radio?
a dude in your work/class?
twitter?
facebook?
VEB?
your momma?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
twitter.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
This
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unless I'm driving, then radio.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
oh, MLBTR, i should have added that one.
pick one, jerk!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hmmm. but would she beat twitter?
maybe it would depend on time of day.
damn, it better not be via Strauss. at midnight. that would suck.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jan 30, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
MLBTR via twitter via a text message on my phone
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there it is.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jan 30, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely twitter.
twitter is such an underrated tool for breaking news. i’m ALWAYS the first one to break stories (sports related or otherwise) to my friends/family because of twitter. iirc, the holliday contract broke via twitter.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I found out about Griffey's retirement on Twitter before hearing about it at work
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yep.
and it was twitter with the holliday new breaking. jon heyman.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/1/5/1234265/viva-el-birdos-hall-of-fame#28258463
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
FUCK Jon Heyman
Random, but relevant I feel
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Here.
I rely on you guys to keep me informed. Don’t let me down.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Jan 30, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
it will be via a VEB sig.
watch out now
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jan 30, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the US attacked every other country on the planet with nuclear weapons.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I knew I could count on you.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Jan 30, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
but they don't have generators either!
and Americans don’t eat baguettes
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jan 30, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I will probably get a text message from tackle box when I first hear about it
or on here, one of the two
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
reading through this thread is fun...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/1/5/1235626/holliday-signs
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 10:19 PM EST reply actions
here's a comment from chuck...
infinitely better than this signing. In fact, (franklin) Gutierrez is probably as good right now as Holliday. He’s certainly close and he’s younger and will make $100 M less. It’s a much better signing and it just isn’t close.
guitierrez’s WAR in 2010? 2.3
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
If you go to Gashouse Graphs tomorrow
I’ll have a post up about the Cardinals’ roster matrix through 2019. If you use the Fangraphs fan projections for 2011, and then subtract .5 WAR/year until 2019 for Holliday, the Cardinals get surplus value 5/7 years, and they’re not overpaying by too much in the last two years
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a lot of people bitched when we traded for him.
and more people bitched when he signed.
those people are QUIET today.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well this year or next year was never the issue
It’s 2018 and 2019
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even though his contract ends in 2016?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Er, yes
That
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if holliday is worth anywhere near 3.0 WAR in 2016...
the cardinals got an absolute steal. and i think that’s absolutely possible.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
The main argument that the con side of Holliday's argument was making
was that he could be had for lesser money, simply because there was no competition for him that was willing to throw out 6-7 years. I tend to defend Mozeliak in that position, but I can definitely see the merit to the argument.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't think that's an argument any of us are in a position to comment about
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Precisely, and I agree with you.
But people still made the argument simply because there seemed to be no offer out in the open from other teams. Mozeliak had no way of knowing that was the case, and his agent is Boras, so anything could happen.
Honestly, if the Nationals were willing to payWerth that much, I have no idea why they didn’t go for Holliday.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Maybe they expressed interest but Holliday turned them down.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
They very well could have.
But nobody knows, and that’s the leverage Boras had against Mozeliak.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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Sure sounds like it
VEB traffic will take a huge drop.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 30, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
That's the only part I'm worried about.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Well, I'll be inside.
And hopefully we keep power.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
-14 in kirksville on wednesday night.
that’s going to be really fucking awesome.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I love all of this.
Even though it’s going to be -25 here tomorrow, I get a perverse pleasure watching bread shortages in the south and east when the snow and cold go down. Welcome to my world.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it's all relative...
-14 doesn’t sound like a big deal to you because you experience it all the time. people in houston are freaking out because it’s going to dip down into the 30’s this week. st. louisans scoff at that.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
so, my wife puts the same episode of "murder, she wrote" on every night before she goes to bed.
and it isn’t even a good episode. what the hell?
Is your wife stuck in some sort of Groundhog Day loop?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
That's really freaking weird, man.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
If you're technologically savvy at all
Compress them and put it on her iPod. I used to fall asleep every night to a different episode of Scrubs, and that’s what I did…
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she hates ipods
she has this weird hatred for anything made my apple. she also hates firefox and will only use internet explorer.
Did you marry Bill Gates's mom?
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pshh
do you think i’d be wasting my time on the vebernets if i’d married into that family? i’d be busy paying albert pujols.
but anyway, she does drop out within the first five minutes. its just so weird that it has to be this particular episode.
the same
and its an episode about a witch. she plays a witch in a play. really high brow stuff.
she goes to bed way before me, though, so i get to listen to the whole episode because i’m such an awesome husband.
Hey, careful
you’ll start a ‘who-is-the-most-awesome-husband-on-VEB’ fight.
Which would be awesome to see.
I miss gdm
psh. no contest
i didn’t see any other significants at veb day at the park last year.
wait, i guess that’s best wife material. damn.
you weren't looking then.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I can't get it to download for some reason on my new phone.....
I got it from here. Thanks andik.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I feel like you've been absent lately
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I don't comment much over the weekend.
Only time I get to spend with my gal, and we’re at a hockey rink on top of it. My future SS is playing two different divisions this year, so we’re somewhere every weekend.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Pete Kozma?
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step son; he has a higher ceiling than Kozma.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hm...
1. get tv with picture in picture
2. get headphones
3. profit
or
1. get frying pan
2. knock your wife over the head with it
3. profit (until she wakes up)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Honey, are you going to kill me?
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there might be some psychosis going on there, man
just a heads up.
by purple_haze on Jan 31, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
i was thinking that. she’s pretty normal otherwise, but she HAS to have that episode on to sleep to.
This sounds like the plot to a Murder, She Wrote.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
For the movie buffs here
AMC theaters are offering a package where you either pay $60 (which includes a $20 AMC Gift Card) to watch all 10 films nominated for Best Picture over 2 days, of you pay $50 (also including the gift card) for a 24 hour marathon of all 10 films
I’ve actually already seen 7/10 of them, so I’m not going to do it, but it would be a fun date idea (AHEM FANG)
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grumble grumble
if there were 10 movies worth seeing in any given year lately, i wouldn’t be so grumbly.
All 10 films are absolutely worth the watch
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You're on some high fucking horse if you don't think there are 10 films worth a watch in a year
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maybe if they were all about the beatles
or maybe you’re easily entertained.
also, i’m a film snob. if david lynch or terry gilliam didn’t direct it, i’m skeptical going in.
my high fuckin’ horse agrees.
Oh dude, this horse and I have got to hang out
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Looooooooooove Pink Floyd
SOYCD is one of my favorite compositions. Ever.
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Yeah it's amazing - Gilmour is a genius.
But you know I’ve been listening to them non-stop recently, and I’m starting to think that their pre-Dark Side of the Moon stuff is their best. Meddle is probably my favorite album of all time.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
syd barret was the only talented person
to ever be in that band. and they were so awful it drove him crazy.
actually, i really like that “ooh i need a dirty woman” song. run?
Uh
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Fuck off
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Well you and I are on a whole different wavelenght
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously thought, have you listened to them a lot?
Because if your favorite song is that “dirty woman song”, it seems as though you’ve only heard a couple of their popular tracks, which generally aren’t that good.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Which albums have you listened to?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
That's one thing that's really died
Is the concept of an “album.” With CDs, you just pick whatever song you listen to, rather than listen to a record in its entirety
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Yup
And it’s pretty obvious that has to do with radio and airplay now becoming more and more corporatized. Even the Beatles would string together songs to make a proper album.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, those idiots
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Well I mean they were pop
And got constant airplay.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
the best beatles stuff
was their album work. the white album is my favorite. no obvious singles, just guys writing great music. plus, ringo’s hardly on it.
And the one song he sings is right behind Revolution 9
So nobody listens to it!
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how has the concept of an album died?
have people stopped making albums?
by purple_haze on Jan 31, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
People make individual songs on a CD
Not an album as a whole
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Well maybe
But an albums being comprised of songs that are linked together by some kind of general theme or even fused together (ala Dark Side of the Moon) are better than albums being comprised of random songs.
I don’t think it’s that big of a deal though.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
a lot of my friends are pink floyd fans
so i’ve heard all of their stuff. i just don’t really like much of it. i’m more of a king crimson/yes/led zeppelin dude.
Oh, well
I can honestly say that you are the first person I know who is a fan of classic rock and doesn’t like Pink Floyd.
I guess it sounds like you like hard rock more. Have you ever heard The Nile Song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok8eeJXllUE
Give it a listen.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
i like that song
i like a lot of pink floyd stuff, actually. i just think they’re wildly overrated. and “hard rock”? none of those bands are any more or less heavy than floyd other than zeppelin.
Really?
I think King Crimson and Yes are much more hard rocky that Pink Floyd.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
at times, i suppose.
70’s crimson is very jazzy, and yes is on par with floyd in terms of rocking, in my opinion.
Yes just sounds really fruity to me, sorry
I would put them on a whole other planet compared to Pink Floyd. Well we’ll just agree to disagree I guess.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
you mean yes sounds fruity?
yeah, they do. but take the singer out and they’re absurd. one of the best guitarists ever. and if you stick to 1972, one of the best drummers too, before he bailed to join king crimson.
I agree that Yes is really good technically
I just never really liked any of their songs. I should give them another listen though. I’ve only gone through their collection once.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather be too easily entertained than not entertained enough
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...what?
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you know what i love
reading things out of context
I miss gdm
by Aranathor on Jan 31, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You know what I love
You.
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Why you
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Two feet to my right
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Whose feet are in the middle?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
by spants on Jan 31, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice
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We had this conversation already
Apparently I take like too seriously because I don’t enjoy crap.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, basically.
just because its in the top ten of any given year doesn’t mean its worth your time.
I suppose I do not value my time as highly as yours then
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You guys obviously have too much time on your hands
i spend mine listening to early 2000’s hip hop, playing minecraft and watching Takeshi’s Castle.
I miss gdm
Have you ever been called pretentious?
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Oh, everyone's pretentious according to you
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
No
Just the people that seem to dislike more things than they like
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Are you Liverpudlian?
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Dear god no.
But that doesn’t stop me from liking the Beatles. I am in Liverpool for the forseeable future (university), and practically every pub i’ve been to has some kind of shrine to the Beatles.
I miss gdm
That's definitely on the bucket list, is to visit Liverpool
I’ve done London and all the touristy things; I’d like to see the real England
When my fiancee and I are up there in two years, you’ll still be in uni, yeah?
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Hmm, I'll let you know as the time gets closer
Then we can browse VEB next to each other!
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Meh. I guess.
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YOU STOLE OUR STRIKER!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Ted Striker?
I thought he was lost over Macho Grande?
Is it March 31st yet?
by TBender on Jan 31, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
trollface.jpg
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are you drunk or high?
or just a dick
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Because most things are crappy
Because most art now is either done to make money (appeal to the lowest common denominator) or to get chicks (be a douchebag).
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don't believe that
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Really?
How do you explain the decline in the quality of basically everything marketed to the masses? There were no fucking Katy Perry’s even 10 years ago. Quality of Fast Food was better, education was better.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Aranathor's right, you sound really old
But I was actually only replying to the “Because most things are crappy” part
By the way, talentless chicks with big boobs have, indeed, gotten famous before the last 5 years
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Much less so, and they didn't become music stars
Look at the top selling albums by year. You will see a very obvious decline in quality.
And there are NO bands even close to resembling the talent of The Beatles, or Pink Floyd, or Zeppelin, or 20 other bands from the 60-70’s.
There are no bands as good as the Pixies or Pavement for that matter.
I’m sorry if I sound old.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
No, I definitely agree with you on that point
But film hasn’t followed the same trend, I don’t think
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I don't know a lot about film, so I'll defer to you
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
there have always been Katy Perrys
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jan 31, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
No there haven't
There have always been hot girls with below average talent, but none to the extent of Katy Perry. And there are many more Katy Perry’s now that there used to be.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
very true
I don’t think Kesha or Lady Gaga are hot though because… do i need to explain?
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Me neither
Mysterui actually showed me some footage of Gaga playing piano and she was great. So I looked her up on Wikipedia and she was like in Juliard and then in Tisch and was clearly an amazing musician.
So you have to wonder why she’s signing pop crap and dressing up in ridiculous outfits.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
to make money maybe
Of course, who would know that crap would make money
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
It seems really sad somehow
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Weren't around for the spice girls, eh?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Katy Perry
Have you never heard of Annette Funicello? Britney Spears? Nancy Sinatra? Seriously?
I don’t disagree with you that manufacturing quality in a lot of things has gone down but commercial music, for the most part, has always been about marketing to the masses.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 31, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Nancy Sinatra was fine
She put out good songs occasionally. Bang Bang is a quality song – better than anything the current pop stars have ever put out.
I’m arguing that there are more Katy Perry’s now then there ever have been, and the quality of them is worse.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Bang Bang
Is a quality song? Obviously I should have gotten stoned more in high school or something because sober it sounds like shit.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 31, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wow you are a fucking antagonist aren't you?
It’s not great are anything, but it’s clearly a decent song. The lyrics are simple and eloquent (they aren’t, for example, “I kissed a girl and I liked it”), the music is toned down and uses a real instrument. Tarantino liked enough to put it in a movie soundtrack.
It’s far better than the hit singles of Katy Perry, Kesha and the other crap these days.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
It’s just as simplistic as anything else out there. I guess it gets a couple of points for actually making sense.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 31, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever, dude
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Or the third for that matter
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Depends on the films
Takeshi’s castle does have better replay value than Avatar.
I could watch Japanese people fall over in the mud all day.
I miss gdm
i sat through a triple feature of the extended LOTR fr the return of the king premiere
my ass hurt for days
never again
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Gnawing, biting, breaking, hacking, burning
Destroyers and usurpers! Curse them!
(Favourite LOTR quote)
I miss gdm
I think I was too young to appreciate those films when I watched them
I feel a movie marathon coming up
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I thought the same about Star Wars
I can’t even remeber the 1st time i watched them in their entirety, but i’ve now seen them all about 20 times each.
I miss gdm
amateurs
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I used to rent Two Towers every other week when I was a kid
Those things were amazing.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
cute...
but do you realy think we have an AMC theater here in fucking kirksville?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 31, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Meh I don't know
I assume you go back to STL a lot
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i'll go back to st louis twice this whole semester.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 31, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
you guys have been way too loose with your recs lately
I’m thinking of revoking them.
by CodyG on Jan 30, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
don't make me rec this.
i’ll do it.
by adiueordie on Jan 30, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow I can't believe this is green
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
me either
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
all you have to do is say "rec'd"
and everyone will rec it.
by adiueordie on Jan 31, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So whats everybody got to look forward to next week?
Other than the Albert Pujols contract extension
I miss gdm
Lunch with Sig
Chinese New Year
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So do you think there is any chance you get an internship/job?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Like, immediately? Probably not
But it’s a good chance to show him what I’m about, who I am, etc. Hopefully, something will turn up next offseason and I’ll have a let up on the competition
Now if mattp is accurate in that they’re looking for another Baseball Ops guy…
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snow days
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
something like 16 inches expected in chicago
jeez… although, we’ve had a pretty mild winter overall
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
haha people who saw this comment before the link will be disappointed
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 31, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
I open myself up to a lot of my mom jokes
But this picture is SO GODDAMN TRUE
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I suppose VEB isn't the prime demographic for this type of thing
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I especially like the 120 yr one
reminds me of someone…..
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 31, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
so this just happened
i remember that on the last monday of the month, my car can’t be parked on the side of the street its currently parked on. i get dressed and go out to move it. it won’t start. well, it starts, but then it immediately dies. i wake up my wife to steer while i push, and she points out that there’s a stuffed animal resting on the passenger side mirror of her car.
its a little toy that my dad gave us on christmas for my mother’s dog to play with, who we’re watching while she recovers from surgery. i had forgotten about the gift and hadn’t seen it since christmas.
so, my wife has driven her car to work and back most days since christmas, and that stuffed animal was most definitely not sitting on the side mirror for the last month. how did it get there?
crazy as hell.
sounds like someone broke into your car.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Did you have gas in the car?
Because maybe that’s what’s missing.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Is the gas on the passenger side?
They might have meant to take the stuffed animal and just propped it there.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
no
meanwhile, the dog loves the toy. i didn’t check it properly before giving it to him, and the eyes were little plastic balls. i heard him chewing on one of them. had to take the toy away and now he’s wandering around acting pissed off about it.
also, i should mention
my wife had just moved the car to get it out of the way of my car. come to think of it, i was even standing on the passenger side of it while she was parking it. hmmm. didn’t notice a bright pink stuffed animal.
fucking ghosts.
that doesn't mean anything.
So… does your wife have to watch Murder She Wrote again now?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Your life is one bizzare episode of Murder, She Wrote.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
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