A Brief Forgettance of Chris Carpenter
The offseason acquisitions of Zack Greinke and Shaun Marcum by the Brewers and Matt Garza by the Chicago Cubs have changed the landscape of the NL central division for the 2011 season. Once a two horse race with the faltering Redbirds and the surprisingly effective Reds, the central now has four teams with a legitimate shot at the division. This poses an interesting question for the Cardinals regarding one of their aces: Should the Cardinals do the opposite and trade Chris Carpenter?
Pre-Pujols Decision: This offseason, the Cardinals and Albert Pujols are in ongoing negotiations that will define the next half-decade for the Cardinals. If Pujols opts to remain under the Arch, the Cardinals will be riskily allocating a significant amount of money to contending in the near future. Trading Carpenter would free up some money to pay for this, but it also might make Pujols less comfortable with the team's ability and intention to contend. It would also make the team less competitive in 2011. Decision: Wait and see.
Pujols Extends: Depending on the amount committed to Pujols, this may end up being solely the Pujols-Holliday pony show pretty quickly. If our outlook for 2011 is cloudy at best and 2012 looks only slightly better, is now the time to get the most possible return on Carpenter and free up some money to pay Pujols so we can watch him finish his career a lifetime Cardinal and first ballot HOFer? Or, are the next 2 years the team's best shot at winning an 11th World Series title? Decision: Trade him only if you get a premium package.
Pujols Elects Free Agency: This seems like the most extreme win now scenario, but given the strength of the division, the better bet might be sell now while your assets have the most value. What sort of package could the Cardinals receive by trading both Carpenter and Pujols? Decision: Trade him for an adequate package of prospects
The Market: The Cubs and Brewers just gave up an assortment of prospects to bolster their rotations for 2011, while the Rangers and Yankees have been left without the impact arm they have publicly desired. Both the Rangers and Yankees farm systems are stocked with premium talent.
Conclusion: Given the competitiveness of the central division, history surrounding Carpenter's health, and the market for pitchers, it is certainly worthwhile to explore a trade of Chris Carpenter to the Yankees or Rangers.
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I'm in no position to know
but from everything I’ve heard, the Yankees’ farm system is not
stocked with premium talent. Some say that they vastly overhype the viability of their farmhands, and that they’ve traded away much of what depth they had. Which is why they’re constantly signing FAs (excepting this current offseason).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 10, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions
BA and John Sickles seemed fairly bullish on them
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/12/15/1878701/new-york-yankees-top-20-prospects-for-2011
Montero really only fits if Pujols walks, but they have adequate depth choose from.
pretty sure we ain't getting montero for carp straight up
much less with other prospects – just a guess
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
They offered him straight up for lee.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 10, 2011 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know carp isn't quite lee
But it’s not too far a stretch
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 10, 2011 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did they offer him?
I thought the offer fell apart because the wouldn’t include montero?
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
hmm
another trade Carp post. there was one of these like a month or two ago that was more in depth. just sayin’
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 10, 2011 6:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
false
Once a two horse race with the faltering Redbirds and the surprisingly effective Reds, the central now has four teams with a legitimate shot at the division.
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
technically anyone has a legitimate shot
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 10, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
ok
we should rule them out
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 10, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
technically the cubs need to be the luckiest team in baseball
to have a shot at the division title – or they need to make another move
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 10, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
so just give up on 2011 already?
are you high?
Carpenters days in STL might be numbered once his contract is up (unless he wants to sign below market value) and if they aren’t competitve for some reason then we could trade him at the break, but I see no reason why they can’t win the division.
If the Cardinals trade Carpenter you can kiss the 2011 playoffs goodbye right now.
Fuck it…lets just trade Carp, Pujols, Wainwright, and Holliday right now and get all those ripe juicy prospects and spend the next 10 years being the Royals and Pirates. Its not like Jonny Mo is the the shrewdest of trade partners by the way. Do you trust him to hit a homerun on a Carpenter trade? or a Pujols trade for that matter?
Its fuckin loser talk. its bullshit and it has no place in Saint Louis. Take that garbage to the Florida Marlins blog.
I know thats harsh, but damn, the Cardinals should be one of the top 3 teams in the NL next season and you wanna talk about trading superstars before spring training starts? WTF…
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 11, 2011 4:01 AM EST reply actions
i will choke you
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Jan 11, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
is forgettance even a word?
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2011 8:24 PM EST reply actions
I dunno
it makes it seem like you don’t like Carp
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 12, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Just to clarify
I like Carp, Chitown (the city), winning the World Series, and warm milk before bedtime.
just for the record...
“Chitown” is listed on dictionary.com
“forgettance” is not.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 12, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yankee fan here.
I’d give you Joba and Eduardo Nunez for Carp(with taking on all of his contract, of course). But as the person above me said, the Cards need him for the playoffs.
Here’s Nunez’s stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nunezed02.shtml
He might not walk much, but I’m sure he’d be better than whatever the Cards currently have at SS.
You mean Ryan Theriot, gritty baseball player?
Tony appears to be in love with him so far.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I threw up a little when I read this.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
YES
I would without question trade Carp by the deadline.

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