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What You Do When You Should Know Better

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Tired. 

I am tired. 

No, that's not quite right. Tired suggests a simple condition of being low on energy, something simple rest should be able to cure. Tired isn't quite right. 

Exhausted. 

I am exhausted. 

No, that's not quite right either. Exhausted can be one of two things, and neither of them are quite what I mean. Exhausted can be just a more acute form of tired, or it can be a complete loss of resources due to overuse. Again, not quite right. 

Fatigued. 

Hmm...fatigue. You know, I think that might just be the one. Fatigue. Yup, that's it! 

I am fatigued by this team. Beaten down by watching them lose game after game in maddening fashion, against teams who should be extremely beatable. When you lose to the Milwaukee Brewers 9-7 you can accept it. You certainly don't like it, and you're probably upset with your pitching, but you have to admit that's the way the Brewers are built to beat you. They have a lineup full of power, full of damage, and there are going to be those days when they just knock you around and outscore you. It happens. It's the same as getting shut down by the pitching of the Giants or Padres

But when you lose to the Milwaukee Brewers and Chris Narveson, of all people, by the score of 4-2, it's an entirely different sort of frustrating. As much as I like Chris Narveson, who I always thought should have gotten a shot to fill in at the back of the Cards' rotation when he was still here, he is exactly the sort of pitcher you have to be able to take advantage of. When your worst starting pitcher goes out against a lineup like the Brewers' and gives you a decent chance to win the game, and you look out at the opposing pitcher and see Chris Narveson, that's a game you have to win. 

I am fatigued by waiting for this season to be over. I've never been one of those people who starts looking forward to football season just because things aren't going well with the baseball team, but I find myself doing just that this year. I long to follow a team who doesn't hurt me so badly night after night. 

And yet, I can't stop watching. I still check the score faithfully on the phone when I'm out and about, still find myself switching on the ballgame every night at 7:15, no matter how little I want to. It's a deathwatch for a loved one, and unending wait for the end that seems as if it will never come. They're not getting better, but the wait just goes on and on. You find yourself in quiet moments hoping for a call to say it's over so you can finally exhale. The thought shocks you, and you do your best to banish it away, but you can't unwish it. I am fatigued from being tethered to this team I have no hope for and yet can't just walk away from. 

I wonder at times if fandom isn't closer to habit, or maybe even addiction, than we like to admit. Sure, we can stop any time we like, but isn't it odd how we all come back anyway? I had dinner at a friend's house last night, an impromptu get-together of grilled burgers and tater tots, and we sat and watched Arrested Development on DVD while we ate. There was no mention of the ballgame, no thought of turning it on. It was, to be honest, kind of nice not to worry about it. But as soon as I left I got in my car, picked up the phone to get the boxscore, and flipped the dial over to AM, just in time to hear Kyle Lohse walk the pitcher leading off an inning. "Well this is bullshit," I thought to myself, and switched the dial over to KDHX. I made it almost seven minutes before I went back to the game. 

Maybe it isn't addiction. Maybe that's just how love works. 

I don't have any analysis to offer you today, no big point to make. The best I can give you is that image of a man driving in his car, pretending not to care what happens to his team, and lasting less than ten minutes before he has to go back and find out. 

The Baron's Playlist for the 8th of September, 2010 

"Hey Boy" - Magic Kids

"Juveniles" - The Walkmen

"Paralyzed" - Starlight Mints

"Classic Cars" - Bright Eyes

"What Ever Happened to Corey Haim?" - The Thrills

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Sums it up perfectly

Much as I love the Cardinals, I’ve found them generally unlikable this year…..

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....

by Futility Infielder on Sep 8, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

I was talking about how this is the first time I can remember having a team where I dislike more players than I like.

by bdub78 on Sep 8, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have captured the mindset of Cardinal nation

The definition of frustrating baseball.

They always get the tying run on base in the ninth.
They always get the first two outs of the important inning.
They always get Albert to the plate with a chance to win it.
They always win that game that you say is their last chance to keep you as a fan.

Yet as soon as you let yourself get back on board, they punch you in the dick and laugh in your face.

by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Sep 8, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i go for beat down

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 8, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Repost

LINEUP
Greene 2B,
Rasmus CF,
Pujols 1B,
Holliday LF
Stavinoha RF
Feliz 3B,
Ryan SS,
Pagnozzi C,
Garcia P

ARE WE EVEN TRYING TO WIN

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Jay hasn't had a day off in a while has he?

I just don’t get why Craig can’t sub for him while Stavinoha watches from some local bar.

by sdrone on Sep 8, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

MATT FUCKING PAGNOZZI

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 8, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the team can't win

tlr would sure not let Jaime get ROY oh no sir-e!!

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 8, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was pretty much my reaction when I read Roto.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh dear god...

From the PD article…

“Pagnozzi, nephew of former Cardinals Gold Glover Tom Pagnozzi, hit .242 with one homer at Class AAA Memphis this year and threw out 17 of 55 basestealers.

He appeared in six games at the end of last season with the Cardinals and was hitless in three at-bats. Pagnozzi is considered a better handler of pitchers and thrower than fellow rookie Bryan Anderson although La Russa has said that Anderson has improved in both defensive areas. "

Related note: How do I block quote things here?

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

click and paste your quote within the hash tags.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

craig is still in memphis, yes?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's my understanding too

until Memphis finishes its playoffs.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Sep 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

The Cardinals cannot have Allen Craig to warm the bench in St. Louis until the Memphis Redbirds are finished celebrating the Bricktown Showdown championship.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't Tyler Greene go oh-fer in the last game?

then he was called to the big bench….

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

go Colby

Lets see some damage in the two hole. It is sad that the strongest hitter from the 5-9 slot might be Jaime.

by ubeddie on Sep 8, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i enjoy his baserunning

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too. jaime is stealthy

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?

by Cardinals645 on Sep 8, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Pagnozzi on the roster?

He is unable to hit or throw. He is also not very good at doing things like blocking balls in the dirt.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

after this season you are still asking that question?

blame cueto, though.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone remember

the last time we actually saw LaRue catch more than 2 innings in a game?

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well my point was that we would not need three backup catchers. so either anderson or pagz would not be here if we had larue

and since anderson got called up first, i will ignorantly assume that pagz would have been the odd man out

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I followed your point. I just honestly couldn't remember.

Turns out it was July 23rd last time LaRue had more than 1 at bat in a game.

Funny – ESPN seems determined to act as if LaRue no longer exists. I couldn’t find him using the Cards’ roster page or the player page. Had to use the general site search, and click when his name came up.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he never did and this is all in our minds.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR has an annoying habit of remembering players for how they once were as opposed to how they currently are.

This is why, while it is frustrating, I can at least understand how Miles, Suppan, and MacDougal wind up with roster spots. Stavinoha can hit in AAA. I know; I’ve seen it. There is no such rationale for Pagnozzi. He has never hit well enough to justify a spot in the organization the next year at the next level, but he gets such a spot. He can’t throw baserunners out at all. He is poor at blocking balls in the dirt, too. Maybe he is an exceptional caller of pitches and handler of pitchers. I don’t know. But, I do know that he couldn’t be so exceptional so as to make him worthy of playing in St. Louis.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So LaRussa's problem

is basically the problem LaRussa’s own supporters have.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The man is a microcosm of his fans.

I don’t think there’s another figure in sports who’s better suited to be in such a position.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would LOVE

to see this lineup play — and lose — against the Memphis Redbirds right now. And you can choose your Redbirds starting pitcher among Brandon Dickson, Lance Lynn or P.J. Walters.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Pagnozzi starts over Bryan Anderson

Apparently even a concussion to LaRue can’t properly address our backup catcher situation.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Sep 8, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a lineup that could maybe beat a AAA team

I wouldn’t bet on it though… except Pujols and Holliday would have a lot of solo homers

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 8, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The sad thing is

Garcia may be the best hitter in the lineup once you get past Holliday.

by NCSaluki on Sep 8, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to a Giants game a while back

What struck me was that their worst hitter was better than 5 of our players.

by thepainguy on Sep 8, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly not

Jack Clark thinks Tony is making a statement.

Hard to disagree.

by thepainguy on Sep 8, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What statement would that be?

“Go get me some better players. No, no, not them. Miles and Suppan stay.”

I hate these fucking mind games. Play to win, jackass. I mean, remember all those third games we dropped after taking two because the B-squad was playing? What if we had won those games? Or even half of them?

I’m quite tired of Tony’s bullshit.

by spants on Sep 8, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

there is, at least in my mind, a component of

f you mo

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 8, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

certainly seems that way

tony’s just trying to teach him some “better qualities”

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 8, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

but tony said he wanted hanley

and evan, and Chase, and CC.

Fuck you, mo. I’m playing Miles until you fix it.

-TLR

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Sep 9, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

and another comment that should be green that isn't

for shame VEB. for shame

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 10, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tony's radio pre game comments

Lopez is a head scratcher at the moment, he is having bad at bats from RH
Leading off with Greene at 2b
Giving Jay a day off, so moving Rasmus to two hole
Stav has some good games against Milwaukee

and my favorite,
wanted to give Yadi a day off so Matt Pagnozzi starts his first major league game. He has caught Jaime before so they are familiar with each other.

by ubeddie on Sep 8, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hate MO for givng him these chances

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 8, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

why must MO live in darkness?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 10, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson was paired with Garcia his last start and it was outstanding

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by spfldbird on Sep 8, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

I was quite happy to see that game.

by spants on Sep 9, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tony has got to go

He’s clueless at this point. Stavinoha and Pagnozzi in the lineup is indefensible.

Indefensible.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Sep 8, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

only the most brilliant

can see the true pattern in these player’s performances
that lead tlr to make these choices

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 8, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's been excruciating

i ate chocolate during the games for some time but that didn’t make it better
i screamed a lot at the tv and at the ballpark this season – i don’t even bother anymore
and it started out so well..

worst part – i hate football
what the hell do i do till next season?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Weather has been awesome outside

at least here in Chicagoland. Find someone to play catch with. Kind of a baseball fix and the fresh air clears your mind.

by sdrone on Sep 8, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

only, i'm allergic to sun

and pretty much all trees and grasses out here
and i have no friends
damn you US and your baseball

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 8, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could do

as I do, and record a bunch of Cardinals wins during the regular season to watch in the offseason. See, in the winter, the Cardinals always win, game after glorious game.

And, when I get bored of doing that in the winter, I reach back into the archives for a Cardinals win from 2004 or 2005.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Join any gym

1. Take baseball or something
2. Stand there in a shorts and a tank top
3. Men will come to you.

by sdrone on Sep 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

aw, just when i was getting interested

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never left

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatever, just make sure they wash first.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 8, 2010 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Handegg

The combination of endless NFL coverage and mid-Mo’s horrible 5-month long winters, I think, is the root of my self-diagnosed seasonal affective disorder. I enjoy CFB a bit but bah Gawd do I hate the NFL.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.

by lunchboxbomb on Sep 8, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, you can suffer along with the rest of us

Ozzie Ordinary Time will be … long. But there’s always Rumorsgiving.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

join a softball team

i have two starting next week. something to fill the weeknights with again.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

teams always need girls. you can check craig's list

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Just go to Craigslist and check all the ads looking for girls. That should be instructive.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 8, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

EL OH fucking EL.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you play softball in the winter?

with gloves and moon boots?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 8, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Live in Arizona

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 8, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

or that.

but its still warm enough in STL isn’t it?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

To play softball in the winter?

Not in any organized fashion. We have those errant 50-degree days, though. But usually the ground is frozen. Plus the ice.

by spants on Sep 8, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i meant like right now its still warm enough....isn't it?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

It’s actually perfect weather right now.

by spants on Sep 8, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you hate hockey too?

I think the Blues will be more fun to watch than they’ve been in at least what, half a decade? Here’s to hoping at least.

by leefyg on Sep 8, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

AL Team

I’ve consistently followed the Rays for about five years now, and the Rangers for three. It’s a nice distraction from all the disappointment this team has proliferated.

check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos

by Dttl89 on Sep 8, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Though a couple of months ago i was dreaming

of the debt I’d have to go in during a rays-cards world series. Those tickets are expensive.

check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos

by Dttl89 on Sep 8, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen, rb

fatigued it is.

I have been able to not watch/listen to a few games lately and just wait until I got home to see how they managed to lose another. I hate to miss a Waino start, but I’m probably going to watch my local college team play on TV like the big boys Thursday night instead of the Braves game.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 8, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It is just me...

…or has anybody else NEVER heard of ANY of the artists or songs that some of the folks mention?

It’s like their playlists are built by feeds from Obscure Music Quarterly.

P.S. I say this as I listen to Black and Gold by Sam Sparro.

by thepainguy on Sep 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I usually know about half to three quarters of the artists

but I am 50 so I have an excuse. To be fair, I am a musician, otherwise my numbers would be even lower.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Sep 8, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know any of them either.

I just chalk it up to RB being far hipper than I ever will.

Though, if you’ve got a few free minutes and like Queen-style rock and roll, check out www.foxyshazam.com. They’ve gotten me through some of the games when Dan, Al, and the incomprehensible TLR lineup hydra take too much of a toll.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

/raise hand

these youngsters and their hippy music

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 8, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never listened extensively

to any of the artists tRB recommended today, aside from The Walkmen**, who are the tits. In general Baron’s recs are pretty ace.

**"The Rat" is dumb good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipehdaDw7v4

You only did it so that you could wear terry underwear and feel the city air run past your body

by lunchboxbomb on Sep 8, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know every artist on this particular playlist, and have seen three of them in concert.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you old?

I mean, that’s my excuse.

by sdrone on Sep 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not old, what's my excuse?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't it becoming mainstream now to listen to indie music?

i think i’m actually too cool.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hipster:

“No. Arcade Fire doesn’t count. They aren’t indie.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's become mainstream

to fill your 200gb mp3 player with something! Anything! hehehe

by sdrone on Sep 8, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just you

I was excited several weeks ago when I did recognize someone on rb’s playlist.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 8, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've heard of every artist RB ever mentions

and while i’m not always a fan, I think it’s safe to say that we have excellent taste

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 8, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have somewhat obscure tastes

not that obscure though. it’s relative I guess.

and for people that say listening to music that is not often heard of equals being a hipster, you’re way off base. at least in my case, I’m a big music geek that traded dungeons and dragons and comic books for a weird ass music collection

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 8, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't even process this after 1987 and 2002.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but right now he's pressing and trying to hit too many dingers

He’s frustrated with what feels like warning track power but is ignoring his OPS+ and the fact that he plays in AT&T park.

I’m trying to decide whether to say something or just leave him alone.

by thepainguy on Sep 8, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, not to poke at a sensitive subject

but do we have to start thinking about trading Albert? I want him on this team as bad as anyone, but the stark reality is that we saw in 2008 that Albert+Chipmunks doesn’t work. We saw in 2009 and 2010 that even Albert+Lego and the chipmunks doesn’t work. While I think it is possible to construct a competent roster around those two, it is by no means easy given the payroll constraints and frankly, I think our FO has shown they’re not up to the task. If Mo and company aren’t competent enough to pull it off, they might need all the extra payroll room to construct a better team. Am I overreacting here? Have I rushed to judgment on Mo? Will things vastly improve once (if) we send Tony packing? I dunno, but 2006 sure is fading pretty fast and I’m itching for some more playoff success. Also, the more I think about it, the more I worry about that contract. When 8/200 is the minimum, and you’re handing it to a guy who’s going to be on the decline for most of the contract (not to say he won’t still be awesome), well…let’s just say a lot could go wrong and it could cause problems for this team for a long, long time.

by mattyp on Sep 8, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree.

It’s supposed to work, and there is really no evidence that it shouldn’t… because it hasn’t been executed properly, and we can’t seem to get a good bench despite the minor league system kicking ass.

I just don’t see causation when there are far more obvious things being screwed up and/or happening to us.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The farm system generally seems to be producing the talent we need, but it seems to be woefully underutilized.

Instead, we get Aaron Miles day after day after day after day…

by thepainguy on Sep 8, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that's a big counteproint weighing against trading Albert

Miller and Lynn look like they will fit into the rotation nicely, Cox should produce at a ML level somewhat soon, and Descalso will hopefully pick it up and show he’s capable of being a productive MLer. That alone is a lot of cheap, productive talent right there.

by mattyp on Sep 8, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

But will it see the light of day?

Or just be traded for a gritty, washed-up has been?

by thepainguy on Sep 8, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of Mo's successes this year

is he acquired Miles, Winn and Suppan without trading a single player. On the downside, he acquired Miles and Suppan and paid them real money.

by ubeddie on Sep 8, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

and show up when apu is 35?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 8, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this hell? IS THIS HELL?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Purgatory

You get Pujols and Waino, but you get Lohse and Miles too.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's nothing sensitive about it

unless you count the emotional people who Want To See Albert Retire in a Cardinals Uniform™.

There will be eight playoff teams in MLB who will have reached the postseason without Albert Pujols playing for them.

The only thing I fear in a potential Pujols trade is that our GM is not competent enough to wrangle a justifiable haul in return. And allowing Pujols to leave means the Cardinals will not be paying for past performance in writing checks for a likely future decline.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will be a time when Albert isn't manning first base for the Cards.

Whether that time is April 2012, July 2011, or sometime around 2018-2020, none of us can say. I don’t think there’s any point in avoiding the subject, and I think most of us here would be open to discussing the possibility of a move if it were done to improve the team. I was, as is the case for most of us here I think, a Cardinal fan before Albert and I will continue to be a Cardinal fan post-Albert.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

pujols=tickets sold

they’ll bend over backwards to keep him even if that means risking to cripple the team’s ability to compete in the long run cause we can’t afford to employ anyone that’s not league min because we already pay 3-4 star players

that can go really badly wrong, but i don’t think there will be any word of trading pujols ever

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 8, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

they won't trade him unless he comes out and says, i'm not playing here anymore.

the FO would face a PR nightmare, even if a lot of rational fans see the benefits in the move. and albert, of course, won’t ever come out and say he doesn’t want to play here. bad for his rep too.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will be hashing and rehashing this proposal for months beginning in a few weeks.

Let us wait until the final nail is in the coffin of the 2010 season.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think it has to do with continually seeing worthless, below

replacement level players in the lineup. I can’t really take it anymore, and Albert’s impending contract just raises the specter that I’ll have to put up with them for 8+ more years.

by mattyp on Sep 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was half-joking/half-not-joking this weekend about trading Pujols for Youkilis, Buchholz, and Lars Anderson.

So, I’m guilty of it, too. That being said, this horse will be dead sooner than later, so we should probably put off the discussion until as late a time as possible.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a heartbeat

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 8, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If LaRussa

has a problem with Rasmus, wait until he gets a hold of Buchholz.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was tonight

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 8, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

f'in avocado

it was absolutely electric last year.

we just hate this year so much, it’s painful to think about.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

correction: last half-year.

and part of the torrid spring.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is funny

and by funny I mean sad.

If this were just about any other team…and they did this. There would be zero chance that both the manager and GM would both be asked to return the next season. Someone would have to fall on their sword for this.

In past years, sure 2003 was a very good team, had great players but the team in general wasn’t good. 2007, well…ugh, 2008 eh. But this team. This team is good, yet finds wasys to lose. Every loss is another stab at my soul. To see highlights and see Miles ground out to end the game….and know that pretty much sums up what is wrong this season. For whatever reason our hopes are always hanging on guys like Miles.

ARRRGH

by Harknights on Sep 8, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

And 2011

will see an exact repeat of 2010, right down to Moar Proven Veterans™ if the same management crew remains in place.

If LaRussa announces he will be leaving St. Louis, there will be a roar of approval throughout the Cardinals Diaspora, and the mainstream sports media will be flabbergasted with that reaction, having been in love with LaRussa since George Will wrote that book.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do not overestimate our fanbase

There are tons of people for whom their only/main source for Cardinals news are the game broadcasts themselves. Think about that.

Sure explains why you hear so many people parroting Al’s talking points at games and when discussing baseball.

by bailorg on Sep 8, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

that explains why people think Stav is good

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 8, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

did what?

Do you know who the Mets are, or the Pirates or the Royals or the Blue Jays? Managers and GMs survive all sorts of debacles.

by sdrone on Sep 8, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i said this before

this kind of severe underperforming is exactly the kind of thing that gets managers fired. See Hinch, A.J. BTW, the d-backs have played really well under Gibson. It makes me wish we could see how well the cards would play under Oquendo.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of the South Park episode

where Stan becomes the coach of the peewee hockey team. The one kid on his team comes down with cancer, and asks Stan to win the game for him. At the game, both teams are hopeless, failing to even touch the puck. The game ends as a scoreless tie and Stan returns to the hospital, to see that the kid is stuck in a sort of limbo coma. The doctor remarks, it’s almost as if the cancer was tied. The team then gets a chance to play against another peewee team in between periods of a Avalanche game. The other team doesn’t show up, but the Avalanche players let the South park team finish the game for them against the Red Wings. The last period is an absolute bloodbath, the kid dies, and the Red Wings win.

Even though the a terrible result could occur, it may be alright, because waiting and watching this team struggle to figure out who they are is really really painful.

Of course, I’d love for them to remember that they are the Cards of April 2010, but that seems crazy right about now.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" -Isaac Asimov

by jacksonian on Sep 8, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

by the way

is my sig ok regarding the no politics rule?

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" -Isaac Asimov

by jacksonian on Sep 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's fine.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 8, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

coolio

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" -Isaac Asimov

by jacksonian on Sep 8, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

you sig is a litlle too true.

Someone has to stand up to experts.

sigh

by Harknights on Sep 8, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

so true that

I can’t spell little.

For the love of god. Why isn’t there an EDIT button?

by Harknights on Sep 8, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm spent, fatuged, exhausted, all of the above as well RB

this team has just zapped my energy for all sports enjoyment. i’m normally a big college football fan & i couldn’t even get into the games over the weekend. granted it’s too f’ing early for some handegg enjoyment, but with the collapse of this season i find it very hard to care about sports. i just don’t care. and that’s very rare for me.

i just don’t care

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Question

Wouldn’ t just about any manager in the world get fired if their team, for 6 consecutive years, fell apart at the end of the season? I am an admitted TLR hater, but is that not an objective reason to make a move? Does a flukey World Series win (admit it, it was pretty flukey) four years ago get you a permanent pass? Or is LaRussa gonna be gone after this year?

Just wondering.

by bdub78 on Sep 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

There's more "LaRussa needs to go" sentiment flying around this season than I've seen in a while.

But management is on records as saying, essentially, TLR is here as long as he wants to be. Whether that stems from the perfectly timed hot month in 2006 or the general good vibes DeWitt and Co. got from the other 14 years of TLR’s tenure, I can’t say.

Tony has always said that he’d show himself the door if the clubhouse stopped believing in his message and philosophy. The past few years, the team has just looked worn out by his “play a hard nine” schtick by the end of the year. Hell, this season, they didn’t even wait until the end of the year to tire out. That said, he’s always elected to come back, so who can say what he’ll do.

Frankly, I don’t think he’s ever going to let go willingly; he’s just too old and too stubborn and too set in his ways to see that his good points aren’t outweighing his flaws anymore, at least for this team. Management’s going to have to tell him it’s time for him to go, and I just can’t see that playing out cleanly.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He always said the club gets "stale"

after too long. I’m with you. He isn’t going out willingly. Expecting it to be the baseball version of Favre and his tractor from about 2004-present.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I believe

he’s already firing warning shots through the press again

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta prove it one more time

he’ll never quit

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 8, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean "fall apart at the end of the season"

Why, that noted baseball analyst Al Hrabosky just told me last night that Tony’s teams have always had strong Septembers. I don’t know what you’re talking about here.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 8, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust the process, not the results.

They lost, but they lost strongly.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And with

GRIT.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm getting too old

Just as I am finding the Cardinals boarderline unwatchable, I am finding Al unlistenable. I used to at least find him humorous. Now its just painful.

by bdub78 on Sep 8, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's also better when Dan and Al engage in more of a give-and-take

Dan has taken to pregnant pauses so we can absorb the inanity, instead of shooting back.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at a picture of Dan from 2003, and one from now.

He may be taking those pauses ‘cause he’s actually pregnant.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You'll feel bad

when it comes out Dan is suffering from the same disease Jerry Lewis is, with the same treatment.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly don't know me if you think I'll feel bad about that.

I once genuinely complained about a guy who kept having coughing fits in class. Turns out he had cystic fibrosis.

I’m already on the highway to hell. At this point, there’s aught I can do but enjoy the ride.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and me both

I once talked to a guy and wrote him off as a mid-day drunk.

Turned out it was early signs of ALS.

by thepainguy on Sep 8, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

telethons

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 8, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea,

sometime during last night’s broadcast (or maybe it was Monday).

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 8, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, he said that. I threw something at the TV.

He’s obviously not paying any attention to baseball.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by spfldbird on Sep 8, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

You are probably right. I can’t see Mo having the cojones to show TLR the door. One can hope that he decides to hit the road.

by bdub78 on Sep 8, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

This would be a fun exercise.

Have TLR, Mo, and Lunhow all draw org charts for the Cardinals, and then compare them to one drawn by Bill DeWitt, and see who was closest.

Yeah, I agree w/ RB. It’s definitely a DeWitt decision re: TLR’s future.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And again I have to say, yeah.

You are probably right. And I am guessing the only thing we have on the record from DeWitt is that TLR can always come back if he wants.

by bdub78 on Sep 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but what is dewitt going to say?

tony better shape up or ship out!

seems unlikely.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals pictionary

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The hardest part

of Cardinals Pictionary would be coming up with all the various representations of the word “fail.”

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

...because they're actually three different people?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need to show him the door

Just don’t open it when his agent is knocking.

by sdrone on Sep 8, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Halski added a few more pictures.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/markhalski/sets/72157604462929278/?page=2

Here is the sadness of Boog.
Here is the sadness of Hotmaker.

well, more melancholia.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

...wick.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They clinched the division shortly after our end-of-July series with them.

Well, WE clinched it for them after that, really. But the end result is the same.

by dronemc on Sep 8, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that the Baker-managed Reds won't have a September swoon like that of a TLR-managed team?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'll make up for it with an October one.

The Reds just don’t do well against good teams.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 8, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds will do fine in spite of Baker

Just like the Cardinals have often done fine in spite of TLR. I guess mismanagement can be covered up by an abundance of talent a lot of the time.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Sep 8, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

so...anyone know what's up with google today?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

It's awesome, is what's up with it

Apparently it’ll save the world 11 hours of wasted time per day

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 8, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposed to launch

live search.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can turn it off.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen it turned on

in my browsers yet.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and now it is.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not in mine

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

changed in the last 20 minutes for me.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's actually kind of spooky.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is really aimed at old people and internet incompetents.

I do not care for it.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Sep 8, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

robots use google?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 10, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love this team and will keep watching

but at this point it’s like loving an abusive spouse.

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 8, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

what the hell is that lineup btw

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 8, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

it hurts

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 8, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they're totally going to change this time!

They really mean it and they’re going to try harder. They love you sooooo much don’t leave them

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter. EDIT: (I think)

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Sep 8, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

they keep showing signs of major improvement

and then all the sudden lose a ton of games vs the worst teams, then turn around and beat the reds… and then back to the failure and even abuse, such as playing Stavinoha and Miles, and today’s lineup… I can’t even talk about that.

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 8, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone on veb must be named stacy moore

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

or she IS danup...dun dun dunnnnn

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine Dan using the phrase "asshat" ever.

Even under a fake name.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Sep 8, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless he's reviewing fanfic

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 – Stavinoha – career OBP of .254 (.286 this year)
6 – Feliz – career OBP of .289 (.245 this year)
7 – Ryan – career OBP of .315 (.276 this year)
8 – Pagnozzi – minor league career OBP of .292 (.338 this year)

I’m wondering aloud here if we are crossing some historic threshold for most impotent string of consecutive hitters in history?

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be willing to bet some ballclubs from the 1980's were as bad at getting on base.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to do our research fast

I think it would be befitting of the situation, if it is in fact historic, to make a big show of it after the game. Much like the Hoffman situation, only with Tony in the center. Mo can certainly come down to the field and share in the moment too.

I’m certain the Brewers would be happy to stay on the field after the game and join in the applause.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randomly found example: 1983 New York Metropolitans

Position Players:

2B, Brian Giles, .308 OBP (.606 OPS)
SS, Jose Oquendo, .260 OBP (.504 OPS)
3B, Hubie Brooks, .284 OBP (.604 OPS)
LF, George Foster, .289 OBP (.708 OPS)
CF, Mookie Wilson, .300 OBP (.666 OPS)

Their top five bench players have OBP’s of .290, .326, .265, and .270.

I’m certain there are plenty of others to be found…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also some bad Cards teams in the 1980s

1986 – Lots of games played by guys with OBPs under .320 – Coleman, Pendelton, McGee to name three.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Sep 8, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's awful

But still only 2 of those names are a bad as our 3rd worst this year (Stav). With Kingman (.265), and Ortiz (.270) on their bench pulling decent number of AB’s, there’s a good chance they pulled this off at some point too. Still, hard to one-up .286/.245./.276.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't there medication for that

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard of the prescription "DFA" being used...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 8, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are you talking about?

collectively, they’re around .250 and .250 × 4 = 1.000. So, each time through the lineup, at least one is guaranteed to get on. That’s how math works, right?

by mattyp on Sep 8, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been 59 players this year

that have OPS+ of 66 or lower and have at least 100 AB. We’re batting 3 of them consecutively 5,6,7. And adding Pagnozzi on top of it.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

:'(

Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte

by BVHeck on Sep 8, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Heyman - How does he have a job?

Just saw this. I wasn’t aware Pujols broke this story.

The Cardinals’ rough ending now includes a public dispute, with the revelation via Albert Pujols that Colby Rasmus at some point wanted a trade. Pujols criticized Rasmus for not appreciating the Cardinals organization, while Rasmus tried his best to downplay the revelation. Tony La Russa has been portrayed as having a less-than-great relationship with Rasmus, who denied he asked for a trade. With the Cardinals playing below expectations, La Russa’s return suddenly seems like less than a foregone conclusion.

by mike-h on Sep 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

According to the local yokels here in Springfield..

Colby went to reporters demanding a trade a few days ago. Albert called him out. Colby went back and tried to deny the whole thing. But La Russa stepped in and told the reporters that it was all true.

sheesh. These guys were hosts on the local sports radio talk show. They pretty much laid into Colby. Once upon a time, Colby was golden in Springfield.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by spfldbird on Sep 8, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that's nuts

I guess they don’t realize Colby hardly ever talks to reporters, let along seeking them out.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Sep 8, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

along = alone

spelling d’oh.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Sep 8, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

So since no one in the mediaknows the actual source,

besides Strauss, I assume, they are just making shit up as tehy go?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I am addicted to the St. Louis Cardinals....

I will watch almost all the games. It’s good to know there are others like me. But every time, the Cards win a couple of games, I start dreaming of this fantastic comeback. But it isn’t going to happen. Regardless of what Al says, TLR teams are tired come September and they play like it.

I have been a TLR fan in the past but the last couple of years are frustrating. I have already ranted about this dysfunctional organization where all the major players grab their own piece of the kingdom and run off in different directions.

You would think DeWitt would have to be a savvy business man. He must be ok, with this level of incompetence. There is a win for him here somewhere. So that must mean he’s making enough money. He can’t be proud of the team and the way they have played. Will the Cardinals continue to make money for DeWitt and the boys if they continue to play like this?

If any year would get DeWitt to re-think his TLR forever mantra, this would have to be it.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by spfldbird on Sep 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

a very wise person pointed out to me

“fan” is short for “fanatic”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It's also a device that blows air.

(moves air, really, but that’s not as funny.)

by spants on Sep 8, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miles is staring history in the face

He could be in the conversation for emptiest .300 hitter of all time. As it stands now, he is hitting .307/.336/.342. There have only been 2 players, with over 125 plate appearances, in history that have managed to hit over .300 with that low an OBP and SLG. In 1921, George Maisel, hit .310/.338/.334. In 1933, Tommy Thevenow hit .312/.340/.320.

Thevenow can probably rest safe, but Maisel better watch out!

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

links being updated with gameday and box scores

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/9/8/1676446/9-8-010-road-to-minor-league

I’m multitasking, though, so if I miss one, feel free to drop ’em in.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

today i learned that if your cell phone gets wet you can put it in a bowl of rice to soak up the water

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I swear I heard that on VEB first.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahaha

this might not be what i’m thinking of, but I did hear it here first

yeah, I’ve got that problem.
try lots of rice in the [salt] shaker. it helps to pull the moisture out.
by stxcardsfan

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flim said it before that one, but I still think it was talked about before this.

probably got it wet some how and thought he could dry it out in the shower
When you really should just throw wet electronics into a bag of rice

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 15, 2010 1:26 AM CDT on Strasburg v. Wainwright – March 14, 2010

by spants on Sep 8, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the one

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit i was in that thread too

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know this

Have a habit of losing phones that way. I’ll definitely try that next time, and there will certainly be a next time.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 8, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

i dropped i-phone in water. let it sit in rice overnight. presto-chango — phone in perfect working order

Just win

by The Duke on Sep 8, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

trick is NOT to turn phone on first

have to resist the temptation to see if it will work.

Just win

by The Duke on Sep 8, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be careful though,

My buddy dropped his iPhone in some water and tried the rice method. He popped the iPhone case opened and let the rice do it’s thing. Then when he took it to the Apple store they told him that if he opened the case to his iPhone, the warranty is voided. He swore to them that he hadn’t opened it, but then they told him that they found rice inside the phone. He felt like a jackass that sticks electronics in rice bowls and then lies about it. Also, he had to get a new phone.

by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Sep 8, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

CJ Beatty slowly goes crazy.

R&R is greatly needed….slowly but surely…im starting to miss taking batting practice already……..is that a GOOD thing or a BAD thing?
7 minutes ago via web

 HARDEST QUESTION EVER!!!!! “WHO HAS THE BETTER TASTING PIZZA???” PAPA JOHNS? PIZZA HUT? DOMINOS? HURRY CAUSE IM HUNGRY LOL
2 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

none of the above CJ! none of the above!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

well obviously this is coming

delivery pizza

god tier
z pizza
round table pizza

good tier
papa johns
papa murphy

shit tier
pizza hut
dominoes
little caeser

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

they do delivery?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i too have never heard of Z Pizza

i’m guessing it’s some awesome west side joint they won’t share with us peons east of the rockies. just like they won’t share In-N-Out Burgers. jerks

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 10, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

your papa murphy's deliver?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 8, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

season's over for them

and he’s with Palm Beach now? I think

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

Worst. Pizza. Ever. (after Imo’s)

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 9, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR's lineup =

A perfect game starter’s kit
Capuano is already 5/9 there.

by jackclark on Sep 8, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

how much did cap pay tlr to do this?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 8, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

poll on whether edmonds belongs in Hall

(courtesy of @lawlessbatflip)

link

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 8, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Everybody!

Jump!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 8, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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