Rubber Match: Reds @ St. Louis
by azruavatar on Sep 5, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
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PrintCincinnati Reds at St. Louis Cardinals, Sep 5, 2010 2:15 PM EDT
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| Chris Carpenter | Homer Bailey |
| 2.92 ERA | 4.92 ERA |
| 3.80 FIP | 3.94 FIP |
| 3.84 tERA | 4.45 FIP |
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C'mon Feliz.
You were brought in for your defense – Craig, Mather, Lopez, and Miles all could’ve blown that play…
tony has to love this
all the attention is off how terrible this team is playing to his rift with a player. knowing that people are going to side with him over the prima-donna who requests to be dealt has to make tlr smile.
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well
when ownership has said in the past that tony basically has a lifetime contract … its a tough call to make.
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So someone needs to come up with a front page article or fanpost
about what we could expect in return for Colby if TLR comes back and the team “must” trade him…
McClutchen!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
er McCuthchen!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
the comps i keep hearing
are jd drew. so we’re looking at deal ras and anderson to the braves for a future cy-yong winner and an immediate 4th/5th starter.
but seriously, it would have to be someone young, cost-controlled, and uber-talented. frankly no team is going to trade that just to get that. unless they have their own raz who needs a change of scenery.
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did Jay Randolph just call the second baseman, the shortstop?
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
LaRussa?
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fans can't fan???
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
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..i miss ludriguez-wick..
interview fail
Frank Cusamano, how can you talk to Mo and NOT ask about Colby? Come on.
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I like how the announcers and media and whatnot
talk about Colby as if he has tons of potential that he’s not realizing, and that he needs to mature so much. the only thing he’s doing wrong this year is that his OBP is not very good, but that doesn’t seem exactly a fair criticism, since a lot of other players have the same problem.
.843 OPS is nothing to complain about really.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
although it will be an exciting time for this team to have Albert, Matt, and Colby at full potential
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
if that ever happens
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
its looking like it wont ...
in st. louis.
as a blues fan, colby reminds me of david perron. all the talent in the world and shows flashes of the brilliance, but the media and the coaching staff tell him he needs to grow up. perron wore white skates (a no-no in hockey) to his first camp and was shunned by the vets, benched randomly by his coach and then relegated to the bottom of the lineup. sounds like colby, no?
the blues made a decision to bring in a new coach, and perron flourished. the media (notably radio guy kelly chase) still hammer him, but this year could be his big year. i think colby just needs a change, too.
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oddly enough
we need a change too.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 5, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
well if it comes down between colby and larussa
which I don’t even know if that’s what is going on, I’d choose Colby any day of the week. he’s a cornerstone player and his first two seasons have been: 2.3 WAR as a rookie, and second year he has already surpassed that even while missing playing time.
I find this very encouraging, especially considering he gets better after the first year or two at every level of baseball.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
hes also cheap
with the great pujols holding the team hostage, the cards are going to need cheap guys who dont suck.
rasmus has to stay.
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yeah, we are getting a ton of value from him for little cost
this is the direction the team needs to go in since Holliday and most likely imo Albert too. that’s a huge chunk of payroll right there.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta compensate for the
apu holli carp cost vs
votto rolen cueto cost
that puts us 35M behind, even w/o a new contract for apu
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
.231 ISO is pretty amazing this year
but probably is related to him K’ing more often I guess
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Brendan Fucking Ryan
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
booooooooooooooog
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
boog st ss forever
get your O from 2nd
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
this
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
as president of the ozzie smith fan club
i will say this: if the cards can make 3 ws with ozzie’s bat at SS, the cards should be able to do the same with ryan. his glove = incredible. find offense other places. like third (pendalton) and 2b (tommy herr).
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by averagejoe on Sep 5, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
but we have feliz and skip at second.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I think we are talking next year
hopefully there will be some revamping of the team
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing with Ozzie though
Is that he walked a lot. He deliberately turned himself into an OBP guy.
Ryan actually walks more than you think, but no where near Ozzie levels.
amazing play!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
I would take one with quick reflexes and a good bat rather than a lot of range
as long as we have Boog.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 5, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
id take a big lumbering one
who does nothing but hit.
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Adam Dunn for 3B?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 5, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
id love adam dunn.
all he does is mash. but seriously, with ryan at ss you could put Ryan Braun the 3B there and just not worry about his limited range.
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i think there are more cubs fans in our section than reds fans
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch. -Alex Fritz
by The Continental on Sep 5, 2010 2:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
well at least you can say
they are getting less for their payroll dollar than we are
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
wtf is that all about, i wonder
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Since RR isn't here:
Jeff Passan is an asshat.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 5, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If he actually said that
then Colby must be a bigger pain in the ass than anyone can imagine. Or APu has blinders on to TLR.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 5, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
im going to choose to believe
that the here pujols is talking about is LaRussa’s doghouse.
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that would be likely
out of there
not, out of here
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
or...we need to figure out a way to get him out here
“out here” as in out on the field
FREE TYLER GREENE
that would be
“out there”
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Full Quote
“If he doesn’t want to be here next year, we need to figure out a way to get him out of here and find somebody that wants to be here. That’ll show you right there a young player that doesn’t respect what he’s got. He needs to find out the talent and ability that he has and pretty much keep his mouth shut and play the game. Let the organization make those decisions, not himself.”
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
There were probably a few "mangs" thrown in as well.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
makes it sound like clobby is a bit of a spoiled whiner
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
and you didn't get that before?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
for sure, but
first clear public confirmation
and by apu
tlr ver forthright once more
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
seriously, what do you have against Colby?
i just don’t get you’re contrarian act with him
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
and social security number
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
looking at the pictures she has up
it’s just of Her, her mom and I. None of the players. She does have a great shot of the Rolen error somewhere.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Sounds like something a team leader would say
after someone on his team said he didn’t want to be here.
I don’t see anything outlandish in it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
agreed
if colby is going to cause a distraction, although he didnt go out into the press and request a trade, he did it behind closed doors, then the team should have guys to tell him to shut up.
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I can't argue with Albert
but again:
WHY THE FUCK CAN’T THE TEAM KEEP THIS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS?
This is what happens when a team hates itself, and I honestly can’t see Colby & TLR getting past this. One of them has to go this offseason.
I wonder if the team keeps playing like absolutely crap, and finishes the season under .500, will the FO let a manager go when the team has evidently given up on him?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
yes but I just wonder
how we’re going to be able to fair value for Colby
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
no, he's being TLR's mouthpiece & trying to get everyone mad at Colby
if Carp had said this after being treated like Colby Albert wouldn’t have said shit
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
sounds like something a team leader would say
to the player. not the media
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
So, Colby is allowed to answer questions honestly and Albert is not. Got it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
colby said
“i’m not going to talk about it”
albert publicly threw his teammate under the bus. he did exactly what he was calling colby out on
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Asked if he liked playing in Saint Louis
He said "I’d rather not answer that if I don’t have to."
When, he could have said something akin to:
“I like it here, I just want to play everyday.”
I can’t blame the kid, because he’s — lets face it: dumb — but he handled those questions the exact opposite way he should have.
He should also just be fucking playing everyday, thanks t-bone.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
but that implies that he has problems with his situation
he probably understands that he’s not quite smart enough to phrase things in a way that they can’t be taken out of context since it’s not a simple yes/no answer. so he just said nothing
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Or he could just lie.
If he really, really wants to be traded, he handled today perfectly. Fits right into the storyline of the Cards getting rid of him this offseason.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
he could have
i still have a much bigger problem with what albert said.
albert seems a lot smarter and i suspect he fully understands the implications of his statements. all this from a guy who rarely talks to the media. he made a conscious decision to go out of his way to publicly call out colby
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
gee, i wonder who told Albert to bash Colby?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i don't think albert speaks for anyone but himself
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
normally i'd agree with you, but not on this
it’s just too big of a coincidence
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
If one of my coworkers said they didn't want to work here anymore
even if I didn’t have the authority to fire them, I’d tell them to piss off. You don’t need that attitude around. So, from a players perspective, I know exactly where Albert was coming from.
Colby didn’t no comment. When asked “do you like it here?” he answered "I’d rather not answer that if I don’t have to."
That’s a no. I do not like it here.
Meanwhile, they do need him here. He needs to shut up and Tony needs to play him every day. Or just fucking hug it out.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
first of all
i don’t like it at my job
second of all, albert probably should have said something to colby. that’s what leaders do. i think albert, matty, waino and carp should all have a sit down with him with tony not present. what didn’t need to happen was for albert, the most respected player in baseball, to publicly call him out.
even if colby didn’t do what he was supposed to do, does that make albert right for doing it? is it unreasonable that i expect more out of albert than i do colby?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree it should have been handled behind closed doors.
But once it’s public I don’t blame the team leader for telling a guy who wants off his team to just shut up and play. That is literally exactly what he needs to do.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Didn't Ludwick
Have a few of these heart to hearts with Tony? I just imagine that every big league manager has to deal with these playing time complaints. I imagine they occasionally hear players say in the heat of the moment that maybe they should trade them.
What generally doesn’t happen is people leaking this stuff out to the media. There is a tendency for this organization to eat their own whenever times get tough, and it should stop.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Luddy had a "play me or trade me" talk with TLR the week he was traded, no?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I thought so
I knew they had a talk but I don’t know if that kind of ultimatum was ever reported.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought he was just upset he wasn't
starting right after he got off the DL & that pissed off TLR & he told Mo to trade him?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
on a related note
i’m still not on next week’s schedule
maybe i got fired, i kind of hope so
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
You have a job, not a carerer, right?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
does anyone have a carerer?
it’s pasta, right?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Yeah, fuck jobs.
Quit and find one that makes you happier.
That’s the awesome part about being young. Go be happy. you’ve got a lifetime of being miserable ahead of you.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
but i make too much money
i’d take about a 50% pay cut if i just packed up and did something else
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I made min wage making sandwiches at the neighborhood deli
when I got out of the marines and was in college. I was poor and it was awesome. Also, free GREAT sandwiches!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
am I the only one that wonders
if Tony even knows how to hug?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Cats, matty. Cats.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i bet he has to sedate them before they hug him
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
both of us?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
and I have to say
that I have to agree with our Erik on this one:
Albert hasn’t exactly committed to this team either
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
but imagine how this unfolded
right after the game, caught completely off guard
strauss: so albert, colby said he doesn’t like it here and requested a transfer, any thoughts?
pujols: (wtf?!?)
strauss: yeah, he also doesn’t care if he’s here next season or not, cause apparently he doesn’t like the team
albert: then he can piss off
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Leach said tonight Albert was told before the game
and he though Colby wanted traded this week, that’s why he was so mad. i’d go read leaches new column, sounds like he has about more correct info than anyone
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
see?
you misinform him
let him stew on that all freaking game without addressing it
and there you have it
our media guys are awful
strauss needs to be fired
or promoted to another city
i don’t care, as long as he gets the hell out of my life
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
i still don't like him popping off till he talked to Colby
it just screams to me he’s echoing TLR
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
there's no doubt that was intentional
he totally knew that would piss off Albert
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
and he should know better considering the source
maybe one of these days he’ll learn
i wish they’d all stop talking to him cause it’s the same fake drama every time
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
well he got a lot of people talking
and that’s all papers can ask for these days
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Passan not Strauss
approached Albert before the game after getting Colby’s non-statement regarding the trade request and desire to stay in STL.
newsflash: hes a baseball player
they’re all spoiled whiners.
its easy for pujols to say those things since he owns the organization.
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hmm, way to mince your words apu
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
shit
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
full context:
Here is the full Pujols quote, to come over multiple tweets, prompted by Rasmus not saying he wanted to be in St. Louis next season …
“If he doesn’t want to be here next year, we need to figure out a way to get him out of here and find somebody that wants to be here.”
“That’ll show you right there a young player that doesn’t respect what he’s got. He needs to find out the talent and ability that he has …
… and pretty much keep his mouth shut and play the game. Let the organization make those decisions, not himself.”
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good write up by jeff passan
havent heard of him before
all i can say is im glad im not john mozeliak and bill dewitt to make a decision b/w Tony LaRussa and Colby
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to be John Mozeliak, personally
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
...is an asshat.
'Hold my stones!'
"This one is popped up and out of play. Oh! The ball landed right in that lady's Busch" - Mike Shannon
the worst thing about these quotes, if true, is they reflect how loyal Albert is to TLR
I fear if TLR goes, Albert is all but gone. but we need to be done TLR…quite the dilemma
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
how does that reflect in any way
Albert’s loyalty to TLR?
all it reflects is Albert being pissed a teammate doesn’t want to be a teammate
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
well,
i guess he’s good as gone when the star player basically tells him to go fuck himself to the media
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Absolutely! thats what im thinking.......i come back after taking care of sunday afternoon chores/stuff
and the Albert quote was my update…everything else was less concrete and seemed like gossip…but Albert…oh god!
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Bite your fingers for typing that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 5, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
hope not
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
in some nasty ways yes
but
2006 > 1908
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I find this hilarious
considering the ass kissing of Colby that goes on here.
I, and a few others that have had the balls to say it, have suggested that maybe Colby’s own teammates aren’t huge fans of his either. Slowly, this appears to be the case.
IF we decide to move Colby, we’ll get plenty back for him, I have no doubt. Hell, we might be able to fix two or three problems just by moving him. The biggest issue that would create, is only having Holliday and Jay in the OF next year. I don’t see another player on the roster, or in the system, that I want getting the majority of the remaining “starter” OF at bats.
No one liked Michael Jordan either
Trading Rasmus is fucking insane because grown men can’t figure out how to co-exist in a work environment together.
They won’t come close to fair value because the only reason you try to trade a guy like Rasmus is if you are an idiot, and if you are an idiot you will take less than he’s worth.
Not afraid to nitpick
me too
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/9/5/1668834/rubber-match-reds-st-louis#
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
If that's what you took from that post then you can't read
Sports teams have assholes on them 100% of the time. They are alpha dogs and frequently are not fun people to be with. If a manager can’t deal with it, then he can’t be a manager.
Not afraid to nitpick
agreed
you dont have to like your teammates, you just have to be able to play with them. bonds was a huge prick, but you cant tell me that you wouldnt want him on your team in his prime.
theres a point where you have to weigh talent vs likability. if the talent is higher, it doesnt matter if the dude is jolly. shitty players have to be well-liked (looking at you aaron miles) but good ones can be jerks.
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You better be pretty damn good
if you are going to be an “alpha dog ahole”.
Jordan was pretty damn good.
Colby? Seriously?
You are not good at reading comprehension
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
there was more to that post than two words and an = sign
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You are a troll, plain and simple.
'Hold my stones!'
----Always smooth----
by Heisenberg on Sep 5, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i dont think the team will get plenty back
colby’s value, now at least, is his production + cost. the cards need a comparable player, and why would another team trade that? in likely hood, the cards would get a less proven commodity, or someone more expensive.
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What is Mo's record in "winning" trades?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The Holliday trade looks pretty good really after Wallace's mediocre year and that he's a 1B
Edmonds-soon-to-be-DFAed for Freese was a win.
Ludwick has been worthless since the trade and that thing was financially motivated anyway—-we’ll see about that one in 2011.
Not afraid to nitpick
Glaus for Rolen was pretty good as well
given the circumstances.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
For one year.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
they were both injury risks
if Glaus didn’t get injured it would have been great.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
depends on how you define win
DeRosa – loss
K-Bot – loss
Reyes – loss
Barton – loss
Holliday – depends if the FA signing is attributed to the cost
Rolen for Glaus – started out even, not so good after 2009 no show for Glaus
Edmonds – win
Ludwick – tbd
You definitely can't call Holliday a loss
He was basically the best player Wallace and friends could fetch, and it’s clear Wallace had no future here.
Not afraid to nitpick
Would you call Holliday of win if he didn't resign?
the cards would have gotten two picks (possibly as high as 31 & 44) for Wallace, Mort, Robinson and two months of Holliday.
yes
Without Holliday we didn’t go to the playoffs last year
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
is that a good thing or a bad thing in holliday's case?
if he never got traded, he doesnt get hit in balls. wonder how he feels about that.
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by averagejoe on Sep 5, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not to mention that if he had been a FA signing losing two picks
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
I'm fine with the Holliday trade. that's a win.
I’d call Ludwick for Westbrook a straight wash, though.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
roster management lost both of the players
received in the trades, so Mo basically gave away the player.
I'd say the Luddy one is a loss
if only because we didn’t get full value.
Not because of anything the team or Westbrook has done
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I don't know about that
I have a hard time believing that there are other teams out there that would drool over the thought of having Colby. Some of them probably would give fair value, if Mo didn’t fuck it up on this end.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Why wouldn't they?
Maybe another team is short on OF’ers. Or short on left handed hitters. Or short on power guys. Maybe that same team has a really good, young SS or 2B, one they’d be willing to move. Maybe that team has a really good young, SP, and a deep rotation.
To say that there is no way we’d get fair return is silly. If we could trade JD for what we did, and he was about to be a FA, I’d think Colby would command more.
yeah
I think we’d get quite the haul for Colby
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
potentially
but if the cards HAVE to trade colby, that drives his value down. sure, everyone would love have him, but if they know the cards have to make a deal, they offer less.
the perfect deal would be someone like mccutchen, but the pirates wouldnt trade for like for like.
im just saying its not a slam dunk to say that colby gets dealt, the cards get a haul and everything is fine.
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Oh, I think he'll get traded
for a decent haul, not a great one. This will definitely lessen what we get back
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Right On
Hey good post Stan. I think "ass kissing" might be a little harsh, but it’s accurate. A lot of folks in VEB just love this kid and think he’s headed for the Hall of Fame, if only LaRussa would get out of his way. LOL.
And all the TLR haters have grabbed the Colby thing and run with it, and it’s silly. Colby has a lot of talent yes, but he clearly doesn’t bring his A game to every game and he has seemingly resisted advice from the coaching staff and LaRussa LaRussa doesn’t dig that, and that’s how it should be. How could you want a manager that let shit like that slide? All that having been said, TLR has some downside, and the way the team has played recently, it’s not unreasonable to call for change. The TLR/Colby thing now becomes interesting.
But suddenly Albert adds his voice. If his comments are accurate, Colby’s in a world of shit. Now the TLR/Colby rift is a whole new thing. If Pujols feels this way, it sounds a lot like if you jettison LaRussa for Colby it means you’re saying goodbye to Albert too. Who in the hell wants that?
And by the way, I saw Michael Jordan and Colby is no Michael Jordon.
just a question
how come albert is the voice of the team? what if the other 23 guys think albert is jerk for speaking out?
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how many people hav spoken up to take Colby's side?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Hey Albert is not just the voice of this team. Albert IS this team, or haven’t you noticed.
I think the likelihood that the other 23 guys would line up behind Colby on this is somewhere between zero and minus 10.
Hey Albert is not just the voice of this team. Albert IS this team, or haven’t you noticed.
There is a difference between being the best player, and the leader. Mike Matheny was revered and he was nowhere near the best player on the team. Just sayin’, we cant assume Albert speaks for all. We can assume Albert speaks for Albert.
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by averagejoe on Sep 5, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Albert probably does speak for the team
And Rasmus probably is a douche. The issue is 1 that the team can’t possibly let it get out that Rasmus requested a trade to begin with and 2 it’s TLR’s job to deal with Rasmus being a douche and get him onto the field where you know, he helps the Cardinals win baseball games.
Not afraid to nitpick
either way
Albert needs to keep his mouth shut, too
if they do trade him, Albet talking about it doesn’t help the team, either.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Colby Rasmus
is the 3rd most productive CFer in the NL, at the age of 24, and is cost controlled for years.
His only gripe — which HE did not make public — is that he wants to play EVERY day.
What more do you want out of the kid?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
He also doesn't really want his swing/approach fucked with
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you lost me with the ass kissing comment
get that weak shit out of her
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Thoughts
1) Fuck you Tony, go to fucking hell, I hate you.
2) Carpenter looks really good today, this is the best his cutter has been all year
3) I’m just realizing how good of a player Rolen still is. His O-Swing is well below the league average, he still has good bat speed. God I wish he was on our team.
4) Pedro Feliz is clearly an excellent defender. Is it worth having his terrible offense?
Fire Tony La Russa
regarding #3
would be nice to have a manager who didn’t piss him off, eh? and here we go again with the manager and another good player
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
i think it's hard to get a manager
who doesn’t piss of rolen.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Seems everyone who isn't Larry Bowa and TLR
You know, two of the publicly known most grating managers out there.
Not afraid to nitpick
I just assume
that the local radio station in Jasper, IN played the Authority Song one too many times while Rolen was growing up.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
God Damn Melloncamp.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if only they would have played Pink Houses
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Oh. come. on.
It’s really not that hard to get a manager who doesn’t have to enforce his will on everyone. I would LOVE to have a puppet at this point.
Fire Tony La Russa
you're gonna love the Oquendo Era
Where Albert reigns supreme and running out grounders is optional.
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Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with Albert not always running out grounders?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
raises hand
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i would but then i remember his bad ankle, planter fascitis & lower back issues
and the i don’t care at all
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
1. Tony drama needs to end!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And yes I admit that Rasmus was way out of line requesting a trade
But it’s Tony’s fault, completely, that Rasmus is feeling like he is.
Fire Tony La Russa
i dont know if he was out of line
TLR said he was going to send him to AAA for showing up late — when other guys did too. seems a little unreasonable.
and, like i said earlier, raz did this quietly. he didnt go out into the press and make a big deal out if. he asked for a trade in july. in private.
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he asked for it, or his dad did?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
thats what strauss wrote on the pd site
linked earlier here
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behind closed doors
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
If there's anybody we need to get rid of it's LaRussa
This latest fight is the last straw for me. Tony has worn out his welcome in St. Louis.
insight into the tg situation?
punative demotions to memphis?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
the list of players he's feuded with is long
and some of them have been incredible players too!! Ozzie & Rolen especially, though I realize Ozzie was on the tail end of his career.
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
walt gave in on that front too
e.g., royce clayton
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
yup and i sincerely hope the GM this time sides with the player
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
i'd say his precentage of feuds would be the same as everyone elses
he has just been her for 16 years so we’ve seen them all.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
no way, how many guys hate joe torrie & bobby cox?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I am a Whig myself so Joe Torrie and Johnny Labor can get bent
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
this would be the third star player he's run out of the organization
i can’t think of any other managers who have done that. at least not publicly
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Third?
Lankford, Smith, Edmonds, Rolen, now Colby… Thats just off the top of my head.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
forgot about lankford
edmonds was already out of town
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
B/c Tony wasn't going to start him anymore.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i don't remember that
i didn’t watch a whole lot of baseball in ’07, though
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
That was why they had such a bad falling out.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
they had such a bad falling out
because of what jimmy said to the chicago media about “i don’t play for the cardinals. i’m a cub. stop asking me about the cardinals”
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Jesus PJ
he was traded b/c Tony told him he wasn’t going to be a starter everyday and Edmonds demanded a trade. That was their falling out. It wasn’t pretty.
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguments?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
who was he planning on starting at the time anyway?
i can’t remember who was the starting CFer before ankiel came up
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Ank came up in August of 07
08 was supposed to be his year to shine.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that's right and then he got hurt
i don’t remember edmonds being around when ankiel came up, though. maybe he was hurt, i dunno. it all seems so long ago
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
It was 07 when Ank came up.
Because he was knocking the shit outta the ball and the Cards were making a run for at least the WC, then all hell broke loose. That was when it was “leaked” that ank had taken HGH. before the ban and fucked him up for the rest of the season.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 6, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
and he's been a starting CFer ever since
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I wasn't on that bandwagon till yesterday
If you are dumb enough to think Nick Stavinoha gives you a better chance than Rasmus, then you’re done.
Not afraid to nitpick
other than bdw
most folks are more concerned about the impact of losing tlr on
keeping apu and dunc
than losing his personal “genius”
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
ayup
I’d could be okay with Tony Leaving. But if he takes Duncan and Pujols wwith him….
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
fuck it
I’m almost ready for the team to get rid of all three of Tony, Pujols, and Rasmus.
Package APu & Colby, and we’d get back the best fucking haul in the history of baseball**. Of course this would have to be a multi-team trade.
* * if Mo didn’t find a way to fuck it up
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
if nick fucking stavinoia was starting over me i'd demand a trade to
fuck that shit
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Carpenter was awesome
And I don’t think Feliz makes up for his offense, or comes anywhere close to it
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
when i saw jp in that link, i knew it was passan.
he ALWAYS has to rant about the cards doesn’t he?
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
Man, Colby has no idea how to play the media.
"But I didn’t say that, though. You can interpret what you want. You can write whatever you want. But that’s not what I said. It’s not saying no, either. I mean, yeah, I’d like to be here. But there’s no telling what’s going to happen. I’d rather say nothing, so that way you’ll write nothing."
I mean… he’s just dumb.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ive met and interview colby
it was just one time, but the dude is painfully shy. im a few months older than him, and dont look it either. im a nobody, and he was fidgety with my softball questions. dude doesnt like attention and doesnt like to talk. at least thats the impression i got.
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fair enough, I shouldn't be so mean
sorry Colby, I’d be painfully awkward in your shoes too
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby not so stupid?
Told that by not answering yes, it could be interpreted as a no, Rasmus said: "But I didn’t say that, though. You can interpret what you want. You can write whatever you want. But that’s not what I said. It’s not saying no, either. I mean, yeah, I’d like to be here. But there’s no telling what’s going to happen. I’d rather say nothing, so that way you’ll write nothing."
via the *’s column
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
football is a week away
and it can’t get here soon enough
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
How sad is it that I'm looking forward to the Rams
to get my mind off the misery that is the 2010 Cardinals
the Rams
are going to be much less disappointing than this team, and I’m not even that much of a fan of the nfl
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
not sad at all
I’m actually excited for this season and beyond. watching Bradford develop is gonna be special.
I am too. I really think this year's team will be much better than people expect
and Bradford is going to eventually be a huge star. It’s going to be fun to watch him progress.
Watching Erik Johnson be developed is gonna be much more fun!
Bradford is just gonna end up on his ass a whole lot this year.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 5, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
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Eh, this is the popular sentiment,
but the Offensive line is much better than people realize. Just very young. Theres a lot of talent there.
Either way
Rookie QBs blow unless there’s all kinds of talent around them. Year 2 is when it would start to be enjoyable.
Not afraid to nitpick
and bradford
got to pad his college stats against the awful big 12. no one really knows how good he is. hes got a strong arm, but so does kyle boller.
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Pretty much every respected talent evaluator
has raved about his talent and his ceiling in the NFL. Not that this is ironclad, but there is no reason to expect anything but greatness as of now.
Bradford is really accurate more than a strong arm
And played really well against the vaunted Florida defense. If they are able to run the ball from 1 yard out….twice…..then the storyline is the vaunted Big 12 offenses chewing up the outdated SEC defenses.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 5, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So many bad offensive players.
We stink.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I wonder if they would even consider fast-tracking Zack Cox
to the majors next year so we dont have so many offensive black holes in the infield. The list of FA 2nd basemen is…..less than inspiring.
my feelings over the cards of late
since i left for college in the middle of august, the cards have frankly gone down the crapper. i didn’t realize that the cards could go on a losing streak as bad as they did. frankly, this year’s over, and now it’s on to 2011.
i just saw that raz requested a trade earlier this year. i don’t know if this has to do with his feud with larussa, stress over ther pressure of being in the bigs, or both, but it concerns me. it sounds like some of the players don’t like tony, and that the situation in the clubhouse is getting worse.
i have not heard much in the way of positive cardinals news in the last few weeks, something else that concerns me. now a lot of doubt is creeping in my mind – between albert’s contract, the next manager, free agency, etc. i’m pretty much done with the cards for the year, and i don’t know when i’ll get a good feeling about the team again. it might be spring training before that happens.
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
Hey, it's ok
I left for college 44 years ago. And by that time I’d been a Cardinal fan for a dozen years. I understand how you feel, this has been a tough season in a lot of ways. But my advice is to hang in there; the Cardinals are the greatest sports team ever, and they will reward you a thousand fold.
Just step on the gas and wipe that tear away.
clobby
another leadoff double
can we score?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
yeah but wtf is he starting over Stav!?!
doubles are bad, right? it makes his teammates feel bad when they strand him. see, now this is why Colby’s bad for team chemistry
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
half right
but that was basically a freebie
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
KKKKKKKKarp
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
can we please just start destroying home bailey instead of just scoring one run?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
he was freakin safe!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
safe!
I really hate umpires
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
+1
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
very close but safe
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
JAYBIP
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
NFL coaches have flags dumbass
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
got it past scotty
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions
IBB for Pujols
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions
umpires are lame
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
bring on the 3D field scan, cameras, sensors, the whole 9 yards
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
but then we will complain about the calibration
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
true
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
now, we need the that double holly
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
ok Hollimatt
hit that shit
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
I will have to call him that next time we need a big hit again lol!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
RISP!!!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
Clutch
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found water!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
okeedokee
risp up to 0.200 today
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I thought runs were a result of White Castle
Now you can get them by hitting the ball over the wall? Since when?
Not afraid to nitpick
And he's SAFE!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
heh
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i blame him for yesterday's loss
he didn’t bring a rake to the game
or at least some damn gardening gloves
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
at least bring the garden weasel
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Miles new nickname! the garden gnome, brilliant hahah!!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
GRITTY BY RASMUS
Oh my god he’s so hard working and is just what this team needs in this funk. Everyone should look at that as leading by example.
/BizarroStoryLines
Not afraid to nitpick
and now selfish colby caught stealing
if he doesnt want to be on the bases, we really need to get him out of here.
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I know
it feels odd
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah I think I purged that game from my memory
due to the Franklin Fail and subsequent crushing loss
doubt it
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
well maybe
Holliday usually has good Septembers
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
those guys are having fun too
memphisredbirds
And today’s umps make it both managers ejected, as Chris “Hammer” Maloney gets the gate here in the 6th. 1 minute ago via TweetDeck
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"Carpenter is getting stronger"
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
"i understand somebody's gotta win every game"
do you ricky? are you sure?
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at least he understands that I guess
it must be a real challenge though?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
go-gurt, turkey leg, cake
whatever he finds in his pockets
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by d-dee on Sep 5, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I bet he still finds some occasionally.
You know how great it is when you find a 20 you forgot about? He probably does that with $50,000 checks.
hope he doesnt have a crack pipe back there
like tim raines.
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I always thought that "Rock" was just an alliterative nickname
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
nah
just a green bag of seeds
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now, if carp can just strike out the rest of their hitters
we win!!
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
wow
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
must have engrave fu dusty on the balls
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
imagine how long he's been waiting on that game
since last time he pitched against the reds he didn’t even know about the phillips bullshit
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Wow
Great play there. Loses points for catcher running, but damn.
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jesus christ, Yadi's knees look destroyed when he's running
I was gonna be pissed for getting out there, but damn…
limping big time, even after shifting into 2nd gear
more days off is probably the only way to heal
and that is not happening
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Eh
If/when we basically get eliminated he should have plenty of days off. You’d think getting an extended look at Anderson would be an organizational desire, but then again, Aaron Miles.
Not afraid to nitpick
anderson mustve hit on larussa's daughters or something
because they’re already talking about matty pags getting a few starts.
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Who honestly might be the worst hitter to get a look in the big leagues in decades
Not afraid to nitpick
i think i may name my future son
Joe Pagnozzi just so he’ll get a cup of coffee with the cards.
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i'll fix that
anderson mustve hit on larussa’s daughters cats or something
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
dont catchers age like dogs?
hes 28 in normal years, but that’s what, 35? in catcher years
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aaron miles pinch hit coming up
fuck
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I'm excited
I wanna see if he can pull off this whole “hit .330 on groundballs” thing.
Not afraid to nitpick
Nah
His sparkling batting average is a result of 5 “extra” GB hits that have him rocking a .333 average on groundballs.
Not afraid to nitpick
so it begins
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa, no ibb
to get left on jaybird
staggering
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
ricky horton just said
taking out a converted of who has limited range and replacing him with miles … hurts the team defensively. thats how bad aaron miles is.
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look at that sparkling batting average!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
ricky also brought up
when miles was fouling off pitches, how miles was responsible for blinding juan encarnacion. i think ricky horton hates aaron miles.
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sounds like it
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
something must have happened
cause ricky’s been gushing over miles for quite a while
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Aaron Miles everyone
not wanted by the Cubs or Reds.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
to be fair...
we thought the reds were a bad team at the time.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
that makes it worse
when a shitty team says “hey, you suck,” you know they suck.
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if he gets cut from two different teams
wait wasn’t it three? can’t remember. anyway, if he is so bad that he gets cut from multiple teams, he sucks pretty pretty bad
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
a's traded for him
and dumped him to cincy.
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If I recall right
Cubs traded him for nothing to the A’s, who then traded him to the Reds for Wily Taveras, but the A’s then cut Taveras so he was effectively traded for literally nothing.
Not afraid to nitpick
I just can't comprehend...
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
his grit!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp rulz!!!!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
going to the bullpen now
he had a terrific game
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Miller time
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
here we go
put the bar down
or the roller coaster won’t start
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
wow
that was cool
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
coulda been better though
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing for him he didn't lead off much
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
albert
is a great salesman. i thought he was meat thanks to Pujols’ reaction.
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I'm at the game...
Was he out at first? Couldn’t tell…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
by pattimagee on Sep 5, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
safe
by a good margin. pujols just sold it very, very well.
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^ that guy
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
did ksdk just not show rolen getting out?
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might have to get a wii to play that new metroid
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
ump sucks
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
"and that man will hold them hopefully"
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
dvr so behind in the game
0-2 pitch to Votto representing the tying run and emergency broadcast test thingy comes on
oh joy
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
from mlb.com
“Holliday comes up big during holiday weekend”
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
oh Brendan
you make me forget mediacom woes with that glove of yours (wish yours rhymed w/ woes)
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
wow
good defense!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
captain obvious is at it again
BJRains
Next three days will be key for Cardinals division hopes…Reds play in Colorado, where they haven’t done well, while Cards go to Milwaukee. 3 minutes ago via web
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Wild Card is the focus
San Diego and Atlanta are falling apart, finish against Colorado and the wild card berth is closer.
wow
we kicked the reds butt in the season series at least. too bad we can’t beat crappy teams this year
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
Colby vs Jay
Colby obtains the third out
Your move Jay
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
I know a lot of people were saying that we should shoot for the wild card instead
I’m not so sure that the NL Central will produce a higher win% team than that of the wild card
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Cincy has best record in NL
and they play by far the easiest schedule down the stretch. at SD and at Colo are the only two series against teams over .500. They host the Pirates & dBacks, the two worst road teams in the NL. The other series are at Milwaukee and six games against the Astros.
Philly and Atlanta play each other six times and six each against FLA. SD has games against the Reds, Cards, Dodgers, Giants, Rockies and the Cubbies.
Postseason prediction – Philly, Cincy, SF and STL.. The dream remains alive for another day.
I like that
Braves and Padres might have something to say about that though.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
totally thought the reds were the worst of the 3 divisional leaders
wrong
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not falling for it, cardinals
go ahead and get swept in milwaukee and prove me right
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
So the Jeff Passan article
This time can we get rid of the guy who doesn’t add any value to the club and keep the one who does? I’ve come around on Rasmus, he’s going to be one of the better center fielder’s of his generation, La Russa’s best days are behind him.
that explains yesterday
Ackerman1120
Holliday says on Ch. 5 that Carpenter is sick and had to go home yesterday. That makes what he did today, well, sick. #stlcards 1 minute ago via web
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I would have been sick too
if I had been at the game yesterday.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Sep 5, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can we just all agree this is Joe Strauss' fault for reporting a minor incident in June, that was kept behind closed doors?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
no
minor? a dude requested to be dealt — thats not minor. strauss hears news, hes supposed to inform. thats his job.
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No, that's Goold's job ...
Strauss’ job is, apparently, to dig up month-old events and imply they’re current news to give the voyeurs a thrill.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
that's true
goold is very good at keeping his feet on the ground and not stirring up shit by making up stuff/blowing stuff out of proportion
strauss, on the other hand, strauss takes everything personally and creates fake drama that creates extra tension. he makes the local media look pretty bad
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Like that "Why didn't they tell the pressbox 45 minutes before the game
about the switch?" shit. As though he was owed early notification.
"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10
so what'd I miss?
do we have “Team Colby” t-shirts printed out yet?
or is that a boat?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i dunno... the whole situation is just completely fucked
i’m trying not to think too hard about it
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
So if Rasmus goes, what would you want in return
Maybe, like, Garza+
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I would key in on a second baseman
plus prospects.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Garza+Zobrist+prospect
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
there you go
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
possibly
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Luddy diving catch
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions
Does anyone think Cox makes it to the majors next year?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
anythings possible
with spring training
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you guys certainly had our number this year.
But it really felt like we only faced your non-aces a few times all season. Penny 3 times, and Lohse once.. The other games, as far as I can tell, were against your aces. They match up pretty well against anyone!
you need a gimmick, sane reds visitor fan.
a dance or a poem or an inexplicable internet meme. hmm.
not eels, though. that’s the dbacks fans.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Aren't you the one who doesn't think Garcia is any good?
also, their gimmick should be Pokey Reese’s fro
chicka-bow
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
oops, lemme try that again
chicka-wicka-bow
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
so
Penny was really freaking good before he got injured
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there's 3 of them and...
I was gonna say something else, but it’s fucking depressing that there have been 3 ace level performances and still 7 games back.
Not afraid to nitpick
you need to stop doing this shit
appear all polite and sane and then throw in a comment like that “oh, you beat us, kudos, but it’s cause you always played your aces against us, otherwise…”
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delusions of grandeur
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
.522 to .514 TPI
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Larussa fluffer John Hadley
is on the air right now on 550 lighting into Rasmus. Amongst many other things, he has said “Screw you. Colby Rasmus” and “Randy Winn has been a more productive outfielder than Rasmus this year.” He likes to talk about batting average and strikeouts a lot more than OBP and SLG today.
Sounds like the marching orders have been sent to marblemouth to destroy the kid, and he is more than willing to do it. Some callers raised decent points, but Hadley was being patently dishonest/biased on the air.
I was only listening because I rode bikes during the game. Needed a break from this shit. Was just trying to find out who won, and got treated to a hatchet job on the Cards flagship.
I like how he said
“Rasmus is only 13th in OBP among all MLB OFers” as if that was a bad thing. The kid is being straight up railroaded out of town. It’s embarrassing.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
This team has absolutely crapped the bed
And John Hadley and the other suckups are devoting their time to drilling the kid who has barely played while Rome burned.
Rasmus might be dumb. He might be an ass. But he’s way down the list if we want to look at where this season went wrong. We don’t want to have a serious introspective look at what the hell just happened on the field. No, let’s just get get hysterical about Brandon Phillips and Colby Rasmus. That’s much more meaningful.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll take 25 players who are absolute asses
over one bastard as manager.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 5, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
this is truth.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i'm holding out hope that the organization is smarter
than i think they are
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
if you consistenty listen to the post game show
u realize how dumb hadley is…..one day its “molina is absolutely atrocious at the plate”…“i have no idea why lopez is in the lineup” brendan ryan is absolutley atrocious"….“skip schumaker is absolutely atrocious”….
i dont think hadley understands that baseball is very cyclical and sometimes people just suck sometimes
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
"Atrocious", "Intruiging", "Phenominal", "Utimately"
Wash, Rinse. Repeat.
I don’t listen that often, just because he bothers me stylistically. Listened today because I was on the road home from riding on the Katy Trail. He made my blood boil today. The first few callers were giving it back to him pretty well, but I had to stop listening.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll miss John Maraceck next season
but other than him, I’m really glad the Cards our changing stations.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
marceck's gone?
he’s the most knowledgeable person to cover the Cards
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Leach actually is
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i shouldve just said "one of...
but bernie and hadley i dont agree with their commentary…just my opinion on their style
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless he goes to KMOX w/ the Cards.
I am glad Kevin Wheeler will get more exposer w/ KMOX next year. He’s a solid dude.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Wheeler is good
I listen to him on the way home from Blues games, and he gives evenhanded analysis. It’s not all gumdrops and lollipops, but when Perron and Murray were having issues you can be damned sure Wheeler wasn’t on the air screaming, “Screw Perron!” and lying about his productivity.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hadley is a complete idiot.
I had to explain to my son how wrong he was as we were driving away from the game.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch. -Alex Fritz
by The Continental on Sep 5, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
geez...u let ur children listen to that!
i know you’re never supposed to tell someone how to raise their children but Continental!!! at least u explained to him he’s not a baseball guru to say the least
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We went and ate hot wings later to make up for it.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch. -Alex Fritz
by The Continental on Sep 5, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading Van Slyke for a proven veteran worked out wonderfully.
Lets go down that road again!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
GO MEMPHIS!
8-7 Redbirds in the top of the 15th in Des Moines. Memphis wins, there’s a tomorrow. They lose, the Iowa Cubs go to the playoffs.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
HFS
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'll tell you what's HFS
The Memphis bullpen has given up one run in 10 relief innings today.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 5, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i think ... i think i need a towel
where did i put the effin towels
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Zaphrod Beeblebrox
can’t get you a towel good enough to handle the Memphis Redbirds.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 5, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
there is no way I'm describing the uses of a towel
the glossary assumes moderate intelligence
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The Guide
not the glossary
we don’t have to keep the glossary in several skyscrapers on a separate planet. yet.
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
ohhh the Guide.
and how do you know it’s not already…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
But, no, none of those players will ever be MLB calibar players.
Our farm system sucks.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
There is a tomorrow!
Memphis vs. Iowa, final regular season game in the PCL, for the division title.
Why can’t THIS game be televised tomorrow?
Tyler Norrick, three shutout innings to get the win.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
Titlewatch 2010: Johnson City
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
added that as a tag, btw.
sbn won’t recognize it for a bit.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah so
Mozeliak, on Rasmus: “He is a tremendous talent and we are going to give him every opportunity to do it here.” #stlcards about 1 hour ago via Twittelator
from JeffFletcherAOL
I actually think Colby did pretty well ...
considering that, as the immortal Tom Lehrer put it, “He’s from Georgia and he doesn’t speak the language very well.” As one familiar with his dialect (I grew up twenty miles from his home town), I can assure you that what he said, translated into Colloquial Standard English, was “Guys, it doesn’t matter what I say ‘cause you’re going to make up your own minds what I said, so f**k off and make up your stories without any help from me.”
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
Back in the dark ages
My father taught there for thirty years.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
Lived there for a few years
I actually liked it quite a bit. I like golf, and college football, so that might have been a couple reasons why.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked it better when I was growing up.
But there is a certain cachet in being connected with a school which not once but twice was excluded from a national college football championship because they were on probation.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
For a team that lectures endlessly
about being professional and “doing things the right way”, they sure do like to put their GM in some bad spots. How would he even come close to getting equal value right now? Mozeliak has to say something like that whether he really means it or not.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
so colby denies asking for a trade
tlr supposedly confirms it
all according to strauss
mo is doing damage control
i wonder if we should be calling for strauss’ head and not tlr’s
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I'm sure someone told Strauss it is true
As much as he bothers me at times, I don’t think he makes things up out of thin air really. Even if it is true, I don’t see where leaking that does a lot of good.
To me, it looks like a chicken shit way of deflecting a lot of heat. Particularly about his lineup choices in yesterdays game. Nationally televised, and it got more scrutiny than usual so let’s talk about this and Brandon Phillips rather than the fact these guys laid down in August.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
strauss speculates on nothing
even if it’s a whisper of a possibility he can spin something a certain way
he’d do it
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
no whispering aahhhhhh
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I haven't seen Colby denying it -
- just refusing to play the reporters’ game.
And what I read in LaRussa’s statement (hard to say, to be sure, since Strauss gets to pick which juicy bits he puts in) was “Yeah, he asked for a trade. He asked for a trade last year, too. No big deal. He’s still growing up – and he’s making progress.”
And Albert, to whom it was undoubtedly reported that “Colby’s asked for a trade” tout simple, with the usual press indifference to context, blew up because it came across like a rat deserting the sinking ship.
How would people here like to have Joe Strauss playing he-said-she-said with their family quarrels?
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
i expect this to appear in rains' latest article on fsnmw
BJRains: FWIW, Colby Rasmus denied after the game that he requested a trade earlier this season. about 1 hour ago via web
BJRains: Rasmus on reported trade request: “I never did that. I don’t know where that’s coming from.” about 1 hour ago via web
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Wheels within wheels!
Forgive me, I’m intwitterate. Does ‘via web’ mean the channel through which BJR is communicating or the channel through which he is obtaining these quotes?
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
Well, that takes some of the wind out of my sails, I guess
… though I’d be prepared to push my linguistic argument a little further and believe that Colby said something so convoluted syntactically that Mozeliak thought he was asking for a trade when in fact he was asking whether he’d still get ML meal money in Memphis.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
lalalala
I can’t hear you
lalalala
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
link
I can’t find the actual one! have this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuZRWt5yYUc
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Boooooooooooog.
Only point of contact with the ground:
The ball in glove.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
oh wait... that might be a different play
he did that a couple of times
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
off the ground II
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
a propos
a little disappointed Trev doesn’t have his long black locks from yesterday
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
i didn't recognize him for a good minute
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You sure about that?
A glove string or two the only things touching the ground?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
you want to question Boog's resistance to gravity?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Questioning your statement that he has a point of contact with the ground.
Questioning Boog? That’s crazy talk.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Thanks
I found those pics one day and decided to make a poster out of it, hoping it’d catch on.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
now you've done it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i promise to use it wisely
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
may the GOBs have mercy on our souls!
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Done what
Dear lord, what have I unleashed?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you might as well tell MooCow a palindrome
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How about a latin one?
In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fucked up.
I’ve never seen a palindrome in Latin.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 6, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
im gonna try and watch the giants game tonight
but we def got effed yesterday…broxton blew another one………but lost in all of that was Loney FELL DOWN on a an easy lead off triple in like the 7th inning and was tagged out….they lose 5-4
Just checking in
I’ve been gone all day and only caught bits of the game (Like Holiday’s HR) Nice to get a win on my b-day AND a Holliday HR. Actually, a couple of threads ago someone said they were going to the game today and would be in LF behind Holliday and I said I hoped for a HR, so W00t.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks
On a side note, the lineup today resembled a MLB lineup, I was confused and thought Tony had called in sick
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
thank Dusty Baker for the
b-day gift
(am i the only one that was kinda glad to see albert IBB’d?)
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I was happy
I mean, if you’re going to walk him when he isn’t hitting and Holliday is, by all means go right ahead.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
since the nats series Matt has a line of 322/400/581
albert: 188/289/438
and remember Matt already had a double off of bailey
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
that’s what I’m saying, go ahead and walk the guy who isn’t hitting, because I’d rather watch the one who is. Maybe Dusty thought Albert was Matt for a bit.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
so midseason... Cardinals stumped for only the leaders in the ASG voting... and not Colby. coincidence? DUN DUN DUNNNN
[insert comment about meddling kids]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So obvious!
We were blinded by the Walkapotamoose.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
behold
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I love that walkapota...
Hey! Where’s my wallet!
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
dingdangoleriffraftwalletsnatchers
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh Albert
"If I hear somebody saying they don’t want to be here, then you shouldn’t be here. That’s the way it is."
"I haven’t seen him but I’m going to say something to him" Pujols added. "I don’t think this is something that should have got into the paper. This is something that should have been between him and the manager and the GM. Plus, he needs to get more years in the league before he says something like that and disrespects the players.
"I have ten years in the league and that’s something that you are never going to hear me say. That’s disrespecting these guys around here. If I have a problem with the organization or the way the organization is handling something, I go right to the owners and the GM and say ‘Listen we need to fix this,’ but you can’t disrespect the players."
src
Albert needs to consider the sources and consider who actually leaked it to the press
might need a Dee Dee intervention
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I don’t think this is something that should have got into the paper.
well, that’s interesting, albert
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
We sure do
have a bunch of professionals that always do things the right way
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Only Albert
Has the power to go right to the owners and MO.
I’d be scared if I was Colby
I’m predicting this:
Albert is on the left, and Cobly is in utter shock of hearing Albert’s awesome voice.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
His talk with Rasmus the way I dream it
Look, we all knows TLR is an idiot—-I meang, Stavinoha has the plate discipline of a chimpanzee on cocaine, an’ I can hit the ball farther swinging with my dick than Miles can on a 2-0 fastball yet they both get PT—-but quit your bitching, shut the fuck up and get better so you can get paid in 4 years.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 5, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aand, new sig
I can hit the ball farther swinging with my dick than Miles can on a 2-0 fastball
probably
Fire Tony La Russa
That rotoworld thing is crazy
they seem to think La Russa would be the one more likely to go.
If only.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
i would have to think so, also
unless all the players now hate colby because of this
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
this is why this shit should not be talked about in the media
who do you believe? Colby or La Russa. One of them is not telling the truth about the trade request
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
we should just ask "Rasmus Girl"
though she might be feelin a lil down right now
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
A Reds fan's thoughts on the weekend
1. I figured 1 win for the Reds would be acceptable, and that’s how it worked out. The Cardinals HAD to have the sweep for a realistic hope at getting the division title. So I was OK with today’s Reds loss, especially since I have Carpenter on my fantasy team…:)
2. Has La Russa lost his mind? Each of these games were must-win, right? So I don’t care if the lefty was starting for the Reds Saturday, you don’t start Miles, Feliz and Stavinoha in a must-win game. Miles leading off? That’s Dusty-esque managing right there.
3. This whole La Russa-Rasmus drama. From the outsider’s view, it looks like Rasmus is probably a bit immature, and maybe not very coachable, but at the same time, shouldn’t some of the veteran players step up and try to work with him? Or is this all La Russa’s fault. Either way, Cardinal management would be insane to trade Rasmus. It would be difficult to get full value for him since all their dirty laundry is being aired. La Russa and Rasmus need to kiss and make up.
4. Anyway, I hope the Cardinals (especially Carp) do well the rest of the way, but not TOO well…:) I really don’t want the Reds to have to face them in the playoffs.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
2. signs point to yes
3. ask Scott Rolen about Tony kissing and making up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
7 game lead on Labor Day.
It’d be a historical collapse.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
a team can go on a major losing streak
see: cardinals; padres
at this point assuming you’ll clinch – a liiiiiittle premature
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
If we were 7 up right now
I’d assume it was locked up. Most would.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
especially as shitty as the Cards are playing
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Who stink.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
what the fuck ate your fucking breakfast and threw it up on your brand new carpet?
you’ve been a jumpy ass for two or three days now
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
it's probably the same assholes who did it to me
specifically the 2010 St. Louis Cardinals
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
don't they housebreak them in the doghouse anymore?
all we hear about is them shitting on the carpet
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sorry
but my favorite team has collapsed down the stretch for the fifth consecutive year.
And now they have more drama than The Wire. Speaking of which, Imma gonna go watch some season four.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
dude, but don't you get it? that's fake drama
strauss drama
simmer down
as for the losing, well there’s nothing we can do about that
and unless you bet your house on the division, you’ll live
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I'll make fun of the team when they stink
and slurp them when they’re awesome.
You can do whatever you want, whenever you want. We’re all fans in our own way.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's cool
but you shouldn’t let strauss elevate your blood pressure
or you’d die very very young
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
let the good die young, let the good die young
we’ll never live forever so let the good die young
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it's part of the reason that's fo sure
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Joe Strauss does nothing to me.
I don’t read him except the three days a week I get the paper.
But he also didn’t make the Cards go 2-8 on the easiest, most important road trip of the year. Thats all team.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I'm not so sure about that
I think Strauss is an evil Wizard that controls everything.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a lock, but it's close
It would be a collapse of historic proportions. Check out the latest Baseball Prospectus playoff odds report. Reds are at 98.5 percent to win the division, 99 percent to make the playoffs. Cards are at 1.5 percent to win the division, 7.1 percent to make the playoffs.
Of course, crazy stuff can happen. but I like those odds quite a bit.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 5, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
better hope the cardinals don't go all '07 rockies on your ass
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, that's true
Although I have a feeling that as long as LaRussa keeps playing the likes of Miles and Feliz, I’ll be resting pretty easy. :)
But, the Cards will pitch well down the stretch, no doubt.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 5, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
he's just resting the starters for the stretch
lol
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And I hope Ryan Hanigan
punched Homer Bailey in the mouth after the game. The Reds radio guys were talking even before the ill-fated pitch to Holliday that Bailey was shaking him off of a slider call twice before insisting on the heat. Brantley was saying slider was the right cal to make.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 5, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
NCAYFT?
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 5, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a meme
i really, really worn out one
“nobody cares about your fantasy team”
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Ah, gotcha
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 5, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
counseling was by ludwick i think
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
So what is equal value for a Rasmus trade?
Ryan Zimmerman?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
yea i never thought about that
i would do it straight up even swap
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
can't afford his contract
that’s the big problem moving clobby
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
nice dream
the Nats aren’t trading one of their flagship players, especially with Strausburg down for a year. Nyjer Morgan though may be available.
What the hell do they care?
They’re bad either way!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
YOU NEVER ANSWER MY QUESTIONS
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
id rather do kouzmanoff for motte (why is this not legit? i think it is)
than ttry and get a mediocre upton
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
TLR and pujolst hate motte don't hate motte. also:
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
it really was a coincidence you were in the post prophet
but TLR and Albert dont hate him? do they (serious question)
also i genuinely think it would take motte to get an everyday player
by guillermozeliak on Sep 5, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
no, i am bad at type
i said upton because he supposedly has personality issues and the rays have considered moving him
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
that's just a bad idea sorry man
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
why did i get into a discussion on an article at MLBTR?
someone tell me to go back to the P-D forums
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
even the P-D forums are too good for you now
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
how many other managers can tell their star CF to STFU & play or he's going to demote him
after star CF asks why the manager keeps sitting him for below replacement level players, & then not be told by their GM & owner he’s dead wrong & it’s their job not his on who’s promoted & demoted?
this has gotten out of hand & it’s clear now TLR has Albert bashing Colby in the media which is just stupid. Albert won’t even commit to the Cards pasted 2011, why should he get mad & trash Colby for getting sick & tired of TLR jerking him around? what right does Albert have when he won’t even say if he’s going to stay? none.
Tony’s gotta go
Tony’s gotta go
Tony’s gotta go
Tony’s gotta go
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
did Tony really say that?
I thought MO did the demoting
/ducks
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
according to the P-D article
mo’ does do the demoting. and he told colby as much
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
this just pisses me off so much, i'm so fucking mad at TRL
i’m going to go try & find a puppy & kick it right in TLR’s face
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
TRL has sucked since Carson Daly left, I agree.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
so much so they cancelled it!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Star?
Come the fuck on. That is exactly why I used the “kiss ass” comment above. Colby is not a star. YET. Maybe in time, but if you give Colby “star” status today, you’d have to give it to a fucking huge number of players.
3rd best CF in the league.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by what measure?
he’s 7th in WAR, both at Fangraphs and BR.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Eh, I'm flaky on the WAR ratings for only one season.
Just going straight OPS.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if you're gonna ignore defense
do OPS+. he’s second in that.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Word up, thanks.
I don’t think he’s as good in CF as he was last year, per metrics, and I don;t think he’s as bad as he’s been this year. Just want a stronger base.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
why not just OPS?
i never understood what people see in the plus stats
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
yeah, i suppose
i guess it’s just two things with me. OPS (or wOBA) is easier for me to get a handle of because i’ve seen it a lot more. and also, i don’t know how much i trust it because i have no idea how it’s calculated. i think it were better if it were just scaled to OPS rather than 100 being average
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
who is better than colby
not named matt, adam, chris or albert?
jaime? i suppose i’d agree with that
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
That doesn't prove crap either
Each team has to have 5-6 star players? Is the 2nd or 3rd best Pittsburg player a star? How about Arizona?
Ummm ....
if you want to win playoff games and World Series you do. What a silly statement.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Sep 6, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
they're probably about equal in the long run
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
name one better CF than Colby
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Willie Mayes.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
But he was fictional.
So, Willie Mays.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Willie's almost 80! i wonder if he can play second?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
You are basing it on ONE year.....
Mr. King of the small sample size argument.
If you feel like Colby will produce like this every year, and you think the “competition” will produce like they have this year, going forward, then you could argue Colby is the 2nd best CF in the game.
Just b/c Colby is having the 3rd best season in the NL for CF’ers, doesn’t make him the 3rd best CF in the NL going forward. It means today, this season, he’s produced the 3rd best results. That is all it means. I personally don’t see any way it continues. I think both is power and walk numbers are a bit inflated. I think his average will probably come up some next year, but I think the power and walks go down. That is MY opinion. But you don’t see me trying to use 5 months of games to call a kid a star.
I personally think there are anywhere from 5-10 CF’s I’d take, if money weren’t an issue (which it isn’t in this discussion), over the next 3-5 years.
He's 24 years old, making the league min, he doesn't look to regress going forward
in fact, it’s very easy to state he’ll only get better…. And, yes, he’s been the 3rd best CFer in the NL THIS YEAR. He is not underproducing.
What more do you want from the kid?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I want him to be a complete player
like we all thought he’d be. Like he was in the minors. Not a slugger. He doesn’t help STL AS MUCH AS HE COULD, by sitting in the 5 hole, striking out and hitting homeruns. He has more potential then that. That is why Tony jumps his ass about taking the shitty approach at the plate that he does so often.
And again, you may not see him regressing, but I do. He was never suppose to be a 25+ HR guy. NEVER. So either everybody missed the boat on his power, or he’s sold out the rest of his game to hit for that power, OR he will regress some. I tend to think the HR rate will go down. Hell, it already has. 15 of his 19 HR’s came in two months. 9 in one month. I’m not stat major, but I do know about throwing out the data that is considered “outliers”.
He was supposed to be a slugger.
I have no idea where you got that from. His biggest tout was always 30/30 potential with + defense.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i'm not a stat major
but i’ve never heard of throwing out data. data is good. it tells us stuff
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I likes the datas also.
The datas says neat theengs ubowt items.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Sep 6, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
you usually HAVE to throw out data
in experimental science, you typically ignore extreme outliers. If you don’t, you have to explain them.
OTOH, the argument Stanley is trying to make here is pretty ridiculous.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Who all has hit 29 homers
in AA at 20 years of age or younger? How many of them have not hit 25+ in the majors?
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 5, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you must've really hated Jim Edmonds and all his strikeouts.
also lets throw our HR/month as a stat which is completely known throughout the stat community as a trusted and reliable stat.
Yeah he wasn't supposed to have 25 HR guy
His ceiling was more like 40 HR.
The guy hit a 483 foot bomb this year. Just stop, it’s obvious you don’t know what you are talking about.
Not afraid to nitpick
you're questioning Stanley's knowledge?
but he knows about baseball
and has eyes and sees things
these hr’s are clearly outliers
he’s the man
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
if you vote for stanley, the terrorist win
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
You don't understand regression
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Sep 6, 2010 2:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
home runs totally suck
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
We hit too many of them all April
But we fixed that
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 6, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
sure worked out well
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions
he'll be better next year
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen his road OPS?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Have you seen Colby's home OPS?
This isn’t Coors Stadium of 7-10 years ago. It doesn’t play nearly as unfairly as it once did. Quite the opposite actually. Not that weird that the kid hits better at home.
slaps head like bull from night court.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Car Go
Home OPS+ 218
Road OPS+ 110
Yeah, that’s normal.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
and isn't the + in OPS+ for normalising park factor?
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
park factors are applied
but the comparison is to the league average player.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Rasmus
Home OPS+ 95
Road OPS+ 167
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
When Matt Holliday
was 24 his H/R split was 1.009 at home and .654 on the road that split is hardly the final word on true talent
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
I LOVE Holliday
but he was a much better player at Coors. As is every single baseball player in coors field history.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You could argue he was better at home as a
Rockie but he is better on the road as a Cardinal his career road OPS+ is 78 his road OPS+ this year is 100
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
Is Albert Pujols a better baseball player than Adrian Gonzalez?
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
Maybe a bad comparison is Agon a better player than Votto?
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
i gots the numbers .324/.958 Joey's career away from Great American
Adrians’ .302/.938 career away from PETCO park
by guillermozeliak on Sep 6, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't really mean much
A .020 point difference in OPS is well within the margin of error.
Fire Tony La Russa
over how many PA's?
i dont understand whats the point of lookin at numbers
same player then?
by guillermozeliak on Sep 6, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Only AGon doesn't act like a dick.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 6, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
FFS
THEN GO READ THIS FOR AN EXPLANATION ABOUT WHY IT IS EASIER TO HIT IN COLORADO
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I had never seen that second piece before
It backs up a theory I have long held that while most Colorado player get a a huge homefield hitting advantage their road numbers are far below true talent level
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
24 year old centerfielder rocking a .850 OPS and + defense and baserunning?
That’s about as starry as it gets.
Fire Tony La Russa
but can he stay healthy
already the calf injury this year cost us a lot
by guillermozeliak on Sep 6, 2010 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
15-20 games
The other 15-20 games he’s missed seems to have been Tony sitting him for no good reason.
Fire Tony La Russa
i know i meant to put "calf injury"
but still he doesnt have over 500 pa’s this year
the fact of the matter THIS year i would go with around 5 to 6 others guys that couldve helped us win more games…..but this could change a little based on his ab’s this month
by guillermozeliak on Sep 6, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure Tony is the problem
The whole organization is the problem.
Rasmus’s best case scenario is basically Ray Lankford. He constantly took flak from the team, the media (including broadcasters) and the fans for his striking out a lot, who completely overlooked his good qualities and basically ended up being villified and run out of time, despite being one of the all-time Cardinals greats…
The same thing is happening to Rasmus, only part of it is likely being aggravated by TLR’s weird instance on being aggressive at the plate. But only part. Tony isn’t helping, but he’s not the source of the problem.
by DiscoJer on Sep 5, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm sure Colby & his dad have some blame in this also
i agree with you that the organization has problems. i had hoped once Walt was gone they would rectify themselves.
both Lankford, Drew & Edmonds are good comparisons to Colby. what do TLR & some fans have against CF’ers?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
His agent should be to blame for Colby's quotes today
a good agent would have prepped him for this on his way to the park.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if only there were someone who could teach Colby how to talk to the media,,,,
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
If only
Colby would fire Shaq as his mentor, he might be better off
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
well if he wasn't scarred to talk to Albert he could ask him for his number
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
well if he wasn't so scarred of Albert he could ask him for his number
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
hmm agent: paul cohen
clients
Longoria
Tulo
this article here basically says cohen believes in getting paid NOW!!! why haven’t we extended colby already?
and Cargo is a Boras guy
score one for the Cards in this argument
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
rec
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And now everyone needs to read Leach's latest
over at the mothership.
Ugh. I hate the 2010 Cardinals, I really do.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
At least if they're bad there's some theatre to keep us entertained.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Albert sounded less mad, but i'm not sure if i believe Tony
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
nice to win today
but, we only scored 4
still sucky offense
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
So, if it wasn't for Joe Strauss, today would have just been a nice, seemingly meaningless, win, no?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Probably
Joe Strauss can’t have that, the angel of douche on his left shoulder would not allow it, and the angel of semi-douche on his right shoulder was hungover from last night’s debauchery.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure I understand why Joe Strauss is to blame?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
unless people are of the opinion that if a reporter has a story that
might not help the local 9 then they should sit on it
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 5, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for leaking the Colby "requesting a trade" bit
in this morning’s paper which got the whole ball rolling.
I was being facetious, mainly.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Whoa....
I come back from the Grizzlies’ game and find out we won?
Amazing.
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I said above I think of Strauss as an Evil Wizard
And I found a picture of his lair which confirms it:
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 5, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
where's that pic of his head on the body of that dude dressed as a purple unicorn?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
well here's a nice article about Carp & Wagonmaker
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
condensed game
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11758893
carp was nasty as hell
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
And I was so excited today when I was listening to the game on the radio.
Holliday finally had his "moment " and the Cards won. Then I start reading all this about Colby TLR and Pujols. Just wow. Does the drama ever end? Colby is not good with the media and he probably needs to grow up some. TLR should not be making all these comparisons in the newspaper that Jay has all these baseball smarts that Colby lacks. And then Albert jumps in with both feet. His comments should have been made to Colby and not a reporter.
And this is just this years drama. There are ongoing issues that seem to effect the Cardinals every year: Duncan’s staff vs. the minor league staffs, Jockey vs. Lunhow, TLR vs. Rolen/Kennedy/Edmonds (pick the new player that TLR doesn’t get along with). I have to wonder why.
The answer I come up with is a lack of leadership. There is no shared vision. Each part of the organization is trying to move in its own direction. The most powerful person in the St. Louis Cardinals is the field manager (Tony) and that person is not interested in creating consensus within the organization. You could argue, “why should he?. It’s not his job”. Ok, great. Whose job is it? No one. No one is minding the store. From a business perspective, this is a recipe for disaster.
Ok, I’m kinda ranting here. I am questioning the Cardinal’s business/decision making model. It doesn’t seem to be working well. If there was one person in charge, or if there was agreed to priorities and processes things would not get so dramatic. I know I don’t know anything about running a baseball organization but I have learned a fair amount about running businesses. this isn’t how you do it.
I know this is too long. Sorry
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by spfldbird on Sep 6, 2010 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Make fun of Moneyball
and gloat about the Oakland A’s all you want, but there’s no question about that organization’s direction. The A’s would be the Pittsburgh Pirates in that market if that team, from the ownership to the bat boy, didn’t have buy-in to their philosophy.
Imagine instead of a struggling market, a team with a large and devoted fan base and the ability to spend $100 million a year could have that kind of shared goal like the A’s do.
Ah, maybe someday it’ll happen in St. Louis. Maybe it just takes smarter ownership.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 6, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just when you thought that was all the drama of this story was over, wait, there's more
from Unistrauss latest updated story
During spring training, Rasmus admitted to problems integrating within the Cardinals clubhouse as a rookie. Pockets of resentment greeted his arrival as the favored child of a player development system eager to produce an impact talent. Last season’s trade of Chris Duncan and the free-agent departure of Rick Ankiel opened additional playing time and helped diminish what Rasmus felt as a negative vibe. At times this year Rasmus has been reminded by uniformed personnel that he is “Luhnow’s baby,” a reference to vice president of amateur scouting and player development Jeff Luhnow.
OK, it’s time to name names. i want to know who says this & who says it right f’ing now. stop hiding behind some weak ass journalistic bullshit code of never revealing sources. if this is not said in a joking manner & he is actually ridiculed about this, give us time, date & names or shut the fuck up.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Sep 6, 2010 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I agree, if there is resentment because of that, a lot of people with the Cardinals need to grow up.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
the uniformed personnel
could be Boog for all we know trying to get a good nature dig at Colby. Personally, I am the type of friend who would give a buddy shit like that, but not mean anything by it. And my friends would give it right back. Look at all the shit VEP has gotten about a Penny FX. An outsider could twist that to make is sound terrible.
Strauss has to report it like the clubhouse is ready to break into a knife fight at any moment.
Think about since the World Series
The personal and proffessional embarrassments LaRussa has brought to this team. His roster management and player relationships have cost this team more games than they have helped. Personally he’s had arrests, taken on controversial issues and just been a crumudgeon in general.
This guy is fucking bulletproof. He won’t ever leave.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 6, 2010 4:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
because you never know what the hell he is actually saying
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
this team is toast
I wouldn’t mind if they lost like 26 out of these last 28 games, just so the FO would have to make some kind of move.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
This off season has the makings to be explosive
The storylines are lining up.
Will Rasmus be traded? Will Tony quit? Will Albert get signed? Will we get a 3rd baseman?
Truthfully reading all the headlines about the La Russa/Rasmus situation throughout the internet…..I can’t help but think the Cards have become the Yankees of the early 80’s with more behind the scenes drama than on the field drama. It’s really becomming sad. The only difference is our owner isn’t the one making headlines. But I do have to wonder what kind of mood Mr. DeWitt is in right now. This is going to be a off season to remember I believe.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
I thought this was pretty interesting
first off, Colby must appreciate what it means to be a Cardinal if he sticks around. then there’s this:
“[Rasmus has] been virtually an everyday player,” La Russa said. “He hasn’t been sat because he’s not playing the game correctly. What it’s saying … actually it came about with [my comment about] Jon Jay. Jon Jay has a lot of savvy about his game. The same is true for Colby as it would be for [Allen] Craig, for Brendan Ryan when he first got here, Tyler Greene. You learn how to play the game — when to be aggressive on the bases. You learn what it is to take at-bats according to the scoreboard. That’s all it was. It was nothing personally critical of Colby, which is how it was interpreted. He plays young. He’s learning. Jay has learned.”
doesn’t seem like he controversy is quite as big a deal
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 5:15 AM EDT reply actions
although I guess Jon Jay already knows how to be a situational hitter?
the org seems very high on Jay, hope he keeps it up (and stays in right field)
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2010 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions
i find it very interesting that Craig was thrown under the same bus
through his entire career i’ve never heard anyone say that about him. we’ve all heard his throwing motion is weird & maybe he doesn’t have the best arm for 3rd. but no one has ever said he doesn’t know how to play the game the right way.
this is what pisses me off most about TLR. guys like mini me who have no business being on the team get playing time over guys like Craig simply because he hustles, is full of shit grit & plays the game the right way, whatever the fuck that means. you can ask 100 different GM’s & managers what that means & you’ll get 100 different answers. but only in TLR’s world does that mean players with no talent, ability & productivity get playing over time players who actually possess those attributes.
only you can stop the madness Bill DeWitt Jr
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
What would a fat Bill Dewitt Jr. look like?
'Hold my stones!'
"Ernie Hayes is up there playing with his organ again." - Mike Shannon
Closer than I anticipated
'Hold my stones!'
"Ernie Hayes is up there playing with his organ again." - Mike Shannon
And one more thing!
The media needs to take some blame for making this seem irreconcilable. How many newspapers will you sell tonight?
Did you notice – Strauss is the only baseball writer that doesn’t have a link from the sports section front page at stltoday. You can find his articles in Cardinal Beat or whatever it’s called. You can’t find a link to his tsunami chat thing.
Maybe that’s who we need to get rid of. Let’s blame it all on Straussie. You know he will see this and rant about it during next weeks chat. – They are all out to get him. We could only hope someone could do us that favor. Naw, I guess I don’t hate him that bad. But I do wonder what things would be like if…..
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
This has not reached the irreconcilable stage.
Colby is not Scott Rolen. TLR has to have learned something from his last few dust-ups with players. Let’s send them to a marriage counselor.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
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