The (Terrible) Labor Day Weekend In Saint Louis Sports
Alex Fritz predicts... the future!
"Sunday September 5th, 2010
Homer Bailey v. Chris Carpenter. After going only two innings during a 12-1 loss the day before, we find out Adam Wainwright's arm needs to be amputated. Colby Rasmus is done for the year with a cracked coccyx. Jose Oquendo quits to run against Robin Carnahan for the open Missouri Senate seat."
Day thread forthcoming.
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I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards
by madding on Sep 3, 2010 5:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Stupid idea i had while driving to work
How VEB can help in the workplace.
Boss: Can you explain why your sales have dropped this month?
Employee: A month is a bit arbitrary don’t you think?
Boss: you’ve only sold 14 hooeys so far.
Employee: Counting stats tell us nothing
Boss: ok, you’ve only sold .466 hooeys per day this month.
Employee: SSS
Boss: You can’t keep this up
Employee: TWSS
Bleh, need to get my radio fixed. Must think less.
by NoWayMan! on Sep 3, 2010 7:00 AM EDT reply actions 23 recs
Hooeys don't even tell us much
I’m much more a fan of SAR (sprockets above replacement) and DD/40 (doo-dads per forty hours worked).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 3, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I've actually been selling the crap out of the product
I’ve just been unlucky.
by thepainguy on Sep 3, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
bloop single sales are not bad
they’re what veterans do!
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
by d-dee on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
This made my morning.
Very clever.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
around new year's i would expect danup to fish out
the most greened comments of the year and put them in a post or to a vote or sth
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
heh....
we take care of greening threads in the offseason on our own.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not to take that away from DanUp
But that sounds like Y2S territory.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
that weas the cleanest quote danup could have put up
haha
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't know what it is
Last night was strangely peaceful and angst free.
However, now I’m struck by this feeling of overwhelming dread.
you and me both
i have a feeling this weekend is gonna blow
already contemplating the best way to kill myself
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Don't kill yourself
Just switch your attention to a team that deserves it — the Memphis Redbirds are in a deadlock tie with the Iowa Cubs with a four-game series between the two teams in Des Moines. If they split, Memphis gets into the playoffs since they own the tiebreaker.
The thing that sucks is that this series isn’t televised, just available through pixelated, blocky, buffering MiLB TV.
So forget about the big league team and its inevitable cockups. The AAA team is worth rooting for, on their own level.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 3, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
okay how far is memphis from st louis?
i could probably make that drive should they get into the postseason
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
anyone know the format and schedule?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This weekend's games
are in Des Moines.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
More like 5 IIRC.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Sep 3, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
if i could watch good baseball, i'd be okay with that
i live on the illinois side, which direction am i going? (ignorant and too lazy to use map)
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
South on 55
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
4 it is!
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
whatever.
I’m about to drive almost 5 hours and spend hundreds of dollars to watch this abonimation.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
nothing wrong with a good day drunk
pre-gaming and shannon rules means you won’t care by the 7th.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
sweep
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
whose?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
True story
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 3, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I am also dreading this series.
I’m not expecting a miraculous turn around. And even if the bizarre happened and the Cards swept again, so what. Too little to late. We know it wouldn’t last.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
My brother and I called it.
They’re going to sweep the Reds, then get swept by Milwaukee.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 3, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
I hope not
Somehow I feel like that’s the only way we win three of our next seven games
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what's sad
If we sweep the reds, we’re still 5 back. We HAVE to win, which will cause us to play under pressure, which will cause utter failure. Cincy rolls into town knowing they leave in first place.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what though, we do have an advantage not having any more off days, just because we play more games
we are only 7 back in the loss column (i know, i know….), and only 4 back in the loss column in the WC. just saying…
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
this is going to happen
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Cards are on MLB network tonight
At least I’ll get to watch them.
Oh, is the St. Louis Nine still batting the ball around the old diamond?
Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O
But enough about their fielding.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
hello from columbia, mo
turns out that none if the stores in the mall open until 10am.
anecdote of the day: I keep seeing cardinal shirts and hats and I get all excited and I wanna go talk to them and then I remember this is the norm here.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Fixed
I keep seeing cardinal shirts and hats and I get all excited and I wanna go talk to them and then I remember this is the norm here. that they’re probably as drunk and depressed as I am after the last two weeks of baseball.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Sep 3, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last night after the Iowa State Cyclones opened with a 27-10 win.
Prior to that? The day after the Lakers finished off the Celtics to win the NBA title back in June.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Watching this Cardinal team this season has been really depressing
I get the overwhelming feeling that we should be playing better than we are, even when we’re playing well, and I’m not a Cardinal homer either. I just feel that this team has played far below expectations all year and continues to do so.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I felt hungover the day after game 7
And I didn’t even drink the night of the game. One of the most tasking and draining games I’ve ever experienced as a fan.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
by lunchboxbomb on Sep 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And Memphis.....
has Greene/Descalso up the middle. Beats Ryan/Sch-Miles-Lopey. Mo Genius actually said this week he didn’t want to disrupt the AAA playoff run by bringing up key players. He also said he couldn’t pinpoint the big squad’s problem. Clue: Hitting or pitching and it ain’t pitching.
i'd rather have at least skip
Than Mr. no shoes at second.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Shoeless Joe plays 2B?
His bat would help us out a lot, even if he is dead.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does everybody think.....
That Greene and Descalso would come up and immediately out-produce those 4 guys? I just don’t get it. Not every that puts up decent AAA numbers transitions well to the majors. And not everybody that does transition well to the majors, does it in their first season or even two. These guys aren’t blue chip prospects. The only reason they even show up on any prospect list is b/c they should be able to provide at least a bench bat at the ML level. Not really b/c anybody thinks they’d start.
The funny thing is, every year players like that stay in AAA, then get released or traded. And the majority of the time, those guys get picked up by another squad, and either given ML time in which they don’t produce much, or get sent directly to AAA where they play for that team.
Who is the last AAA guy that the fans wanted called up, and that STL had room for, that went elsewhere and contributed significantly, immediately? That has to be a pretty small list.
......
Not every that puts up decent AAA numbers transitions well to the majors.
Aaron Miles put up shit numbers in AA, and yet here he is.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Miles also has/had how many years of ML production to look back on?
And luck or not, he’s “producing” at a decent cliep, for what he is.
He shouldn’t be getting more than a handful of stars, I do agree with that.
This is what Greene's line looks like if he was hitting .340 on groundballs
.340/.430/.490
This is what Miles’ line looks like because he’s hitting .340 on groundballs:
.327/.357/.364
Greene has “outproduced” Miles in these SSS despite not fluking into 5 extra hits.
Not afraid to nitpick
That career .680 OPS ain't nothin to fuck with
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
"Production" is a term used lightly in this instance.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 3, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's a reaction
to the stubborn pursuit of Proven Veterans™ this manager and GM insist upon, when you have a Memphis team battling for the Pacific Coast League playoffs.
Plus, if young players are going to succeed at all, whether right away or in the long term, you have to have a manager predisposed to give them a chance, and to support and encourage them through the rough, learning times they inevitably encounter.
LaRussa is not that manager. It’s always the young players ending up in his doghouse, never his Proven Veterans™.
So, if you’re going to maintain your doubts about AAA or AA players, then surely you must support the decision tree grown from a mindset that Proven Veterans™ are the answer, and that AAA players are good for trading for more Proven Veterans™ and not much else.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 3, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
LaRussa is not that manager. It’s always the young players ending up in his doghouse, never his Proven Veterans™.
I just don’t completely agree with that.
Freese won the starting 3B job as a rookie. Garcia won a spot in the rotation as a rookie. We’ve had plenty of rookies over the years in and out of the pen. Raz got significant playing time last year as a rookie. Greene has played quite a bit when he’s been on the roster. Tony has played Anderson more than I thought he would, but I do understand that a lot of that was out of his control.
And Rolen is a vet that got into his doghouse as well.
Make no mistake about it, TLR probably isn’t the easiest manager to play for if you are a young guy. No manager is perfect. Why bring in a manager that relates to young guys, but can’t manage a rotation, or that pisses off the vets? It’s two fold.
Ozzie smith also ended up in that dog house
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Tyler Greene's 2010 line:
.265/.359/.412/.771 (.347 wOBA)
He has outperformed them in his admittedly limited exposure this season. That being said, watching Greene from last year to this year in the minors, he looks like a different player. Much like Jon Jay before his call-up. What’s more, take another look at the wOBA for Skip, Miles, Lopez, and Ryan. It would take very little to out-hit each of them and there is little doubt that he could outfield Skip, Miles, and Lopez wile out-hitting each, as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's not the issue
Who is the last AAA guy that the fans wanted called up, and that STL had room for, that went elsewhere and contributed significantly, immediately? That has to be a pretty small list.
When’s the last time the shitty veteran who got PT actually turned out to be a better option? Dick Ankiel took helpless PA after helpless PA away from an OBVIOUSLY better Rasmus last year. Cesar Izturis got to rock a .280 wOBA when Ryan was basically doing the same…..except he had actual upside beyond just 2008. Same with Miguel Cairo getting PAs in 2007 over Ryan when Ryan was actually hitting pretty damn well.
And now we get Miles taking PAs from Greene who is a better hitter and a better defender at SS than Miles is at 2B and is a faster runner. I don’t think Greene is really that great. In fact there’s a reasonable chance that he is about as bad as Miles—-but that’s his downside—-if the seeming improvements he has made are for real? He’s a legitimate starting MIF option for the next 4-5 years. But we don’t want to see if that’s for real or not because Aaron Miles can fluke into being just a bad player and not the worst in the big leagues for 100some PAs?
Not afraid to nitpick
Schumaker has actually returned to form offensively since the break.
It’s his defense that makes me cringe. I don’t think that Descalso could out hit him at the big league level right now, but he definitely would be a fucking upgrade over Pedro Feliz at 3B.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
And Ruben Gotay
is better than both Felipe Lopez and Pedro Feliz right now.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 3, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If we're going to doubt
AAA numbers, then I guess we’re just going to see the likes of Pedro Feliz, Felipe Lopez, Aaron Miles, Jason LaRue, Jeff Suppan and Mike MacDougal from now on.
God forbid we actually take a chance on somebody doing reasonably well in AAA rather than go Dumpster diving through the waiver wire.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 3, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not just doubting AAA numbers
I don’t know enough about Gotay to say why, but there is obviously SOMETHING about the guy that teams don’t think will allow him to perform well at the ML level. STL isn’t the first team to not really give him a chance.
When did I make the cardinals?
/could not hit better than Jeff suppan
by lopey986 on Sep 3, 2010 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
really? he can't pinpoint it???
I can! our lineup outside of apu holliday and colby is a giant pile of offensive suck. you can’t expect to win games with a couple of singles hitters and a couple of guys who don’t hit at all.
RELEASE TYLER GREENE
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I don't whenever I've seen so many recs in so short a thread.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
No way man!
that was funny as hell.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
We're charitable
Friday before a long weekend, you know.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 3, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
We're giddy
‘cause we didnt’ lose last night.
Votto > Pujols
Comment
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
this is a reply to an internet posting
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Sep 3, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
On the season?
Today?
Sure, marginally. Let’s see Votto do it for the next decade though.
by Stanley1 on Sep 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Season and future
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
Perhaps...
A hitter’s prime is usually 27-30 years old.
Votto approaching his prime, Pujols on the back end of his prime (and that’s if he really is 30).
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
Oh looky, A troll!
Hi troll! If Pujols is older than that, then he is even more impressive in that he can still do it in the backside of his prime. Please have more than one good year before starting this crap.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Pujols = Greatest hitter ever
So I’m not downplaying his prior success.
I’m just pointing out that Votto is younger, and putting up Pujols-like numbers.
I think we have our MVP battle for the next 4 years or so.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
In that case I will agree with you and take back my troll remark.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Votto's been good for three years
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Maybe I should've said superb then.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
why do people think pujols is older than he is?
he went to high school in kansas city, people. he’s 30. good grief.
RELEASE TYLER GREENE
If I'm not mistaken,
these whispers date back to his high school days.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
because they have to find a reason to hate on sth
someone starts a rumor however bottomless and everyone jumps on the bandwaggon: example, our RR troll below
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
From a recent blog post
by Joe Posnanski:
This has nothing to do with anything … but one unrelated Twitter point I made is that by the end of the season, Albert Pujols will have more homers than Babe Ruth, more RBIs than Henry Aaron, more runs than Rickey Henderson and more hits than Pete Rose at age 30. This, of course, led several people to make the point that Pujols is not REALLY 30 years old.
And so I have to say the Pujols age discussion is pretty uninteresting to me. People have been saying Pujols was older than his age since his high school days (when it actually might have mattered). He says he’s not older. So there you go in a he-said, she-said world. But for the sake of argument, let’s say he’s not 30. Maybe he’s 32. Maybe he’s 34. Who cares? He’s done all this in 10 years — NOBODY could argue that point. He played only one year at Maple Woods community college, and only one year in the minor leagues which means he made one of the fastest approaches to the big leagues ever — NOBODY could argue that point either. The argument can be made that he’s had the best first decade of any player in baseball history, and it doesn’t matter if he’s A HUNDRED years old. And, by the way, his consistent performance is making a case. His numbers certainly don’t seem to be aging too quickly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 3, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Cueto < Jane Fonda (and yes, i'm talking about pitching ability and manliness)
Comment.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Height 5-10, Weight 210
Yet he was able to put your catcher on the DL.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
metal spikes help I guess
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
When will LaRussa start complaining...
…about the rules that allow the Reds to call up a left-handed reliver who throws triple-digits?
Somehow, I’m sure Tony finds it “unfair.”
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
at least will give him properly prepared balls to throw triple digits.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
you fucktard
spikes to the face!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
While hanging on to the backstop for leverage.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Go away.
The Reds are completely crappy for the first time in 20 fucking years, and it brings the trolls out. You’ve been under a bridge for so long you stink. Go back to your lair.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
^ aren't
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Can I please hide this whole shitting thread?
Jesus, people.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Pujols has more home runs
Votto has higher on base percentage. sorry, I’ll take home runs, thanks
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Votto
What’s everyone’s opinion of the whole “I don’t sign for cubs fans.” To me, you’ve got a kid that likes you as a ballplayer, and just because he’s a cubs fan, you’re an ass to him? Sometimes these ballplayers heads get so big figuratively and in Votto’s case literally.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't understand it
What makes you so elite, that you can’t sign for someone who likes you?
Like This
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the attention you're suddenly getting
and the fact that you’re were a douche anyway
if you don’t sign for the kids, ignore them, don’t tell them you don’t sign for cubs fans
maybe someone in his family s a cubs fan
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
He could always go the Shelley Duncan route....
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Sep 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
that is awesome.
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
I feel sorry for the young Cubs fans
They don’t have any idea what they’re signing up for. Most likely, they have Cubs fan parents that haven’t properly educated their kids about what pain their life decisions have caused them. I grew up in Central Illinois, so I’ve seen this tragedy repeat itself over and over again.
As far as Votto personally, he definitely seems to take that a little too far, but I don’t have a big problem with him other than he hits the heck out of the ball too often for my liking.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I almost don't mind this
I kinda like the rivalry attitude.
Also, without evidence to back it up, I"m guessing he’d sign an autograph for a kid regardless of what color shirt/cap the kid was wearing.
If Greene tops .600 OPS
he outhits Ryan. If Descalso tops .332 OBP, he tops Schu. Not a tall order.
Greene hit well when he was up and is hitting well now. Not a huge stretch.
.332 OBP
would not top Skips OBP over the last 3 months.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Skip has finally returned to Skippiness.
But, his fielding is so bad that I think Greene stands a good chance at being a better all-around player than him going forward.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i thought we were comparing him to Descalo
I could deal with Ryan and Short and Greene at second.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I wouldn't mind Greene being the 2010 utility infielder.
His defense at second, short, and third would be average-to-above-average and I think his bat might be, as well. Greene playing second base against LHP would be a nice platoon.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Honestly
I wouldn’t mind Greene and Ryan competing for SS, and the loser of that battle being utility. If Ryan can improve his hitting a couple notches, then he’s golden, but I think Greene is good enough insurance against the possibility he can’t.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 3, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I don’t understand why we did not use Greene more at the major-league level earlier in the season. I also don’t understand why Lopez would ever start at short over Ryan, or, if we are not going to play Ryan, why we would not call Greene up and play him instead of Lopez.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 3, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Luddy made not-top-ten. awww.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Fun weekend.
Just thought I’d drop in and see how Cards fans are feeling.
This could be a big weekend. If Cards continue the domination over the Reds, they could get back into this race.
Could be fun. Let’s hope the bad blood has passed and no one get’s hurt.
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Right now we're feeling like we got the shit kicked out of us for the last week and a half.
But I agree that I hope it’s a great series and can make a run of it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i like bad blood
apparently so does your team
this shit isn’t over, because some of your young players will keep talking shit and behave like children
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Well...
…if Cardinals players would just stop complaining about EVERYTHING there would be nothing to “talk shit” about.
Brandon Phillips may have pissed you off, but you have to admit, he’s 100% correct. The Cardinals whine more than any professional sports team.
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and any professional sports team? any?
very bald generalizations
everything?
no, we just don’t like it when people cheat
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I live in the present...
…but if you’d like to live in the past, feel free.
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125 YEARS OF BEAUTIFUL TRADITON....
YOU’RE GODAMNED RIGHT I’M LIVING IN THE PAST!!!!!!
/Waltered.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you are a sad man
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
When people cheat?
Examples please?
If you are talking about the balls in Cincinnati… Why are the Cardinals THE ONLY team to say anything about it???
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Dude, I'll give you credit about that one.
Chris Carpenter is a whiny b**ch. I’ve lost a lot of respect for him this year.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
But so is Brandon Phillips...
and Cueto should have his a** kicked in a back alley somewhere.
Just being fair.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Phillips?
What does he “whine” about?
All he does is play the game. He called the Cardinals out for being cry babies. At least someone had the balls to do it.
Cueto was shoved against the fence and was being attacked. He was defending himself.
It’s not his fault that LaRue is weak-bitch.
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And...
…you can clearly see LaRue trying to come after Cueto. His arms were pushed up against the net. All he had were his legs to defend himself.
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you're delusional
somewhere cueto is reading this and laughing at how gullible you are
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
and you clearly see Cueto
kicking Carpenter in the back before LaRue comes after him.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
the only person doing the attacking was your pitcher
stop making up stories cause you can’t handle that cueto’s a girl
or should i point you to the slow motion and educate you?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I just watched the entire thing
You’re seeing it how you want to see it. Just like you can’t recognize the fact that your team complains about everything.
Cueto is a girl. A girl with a 12-4 record on the best team in the NL
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While we're on it
Aaron Miles is the greatest hitter of all time….look at his BA
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
you did not just bring up pitcher W-L...
ducks
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
How about WHIP...
The “little girl’s” WHIP is lower than Jaime Garcia’s…
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More statistics:
Cueto:
ERA – 3.41
FIP – 4.04
xFIP – 4.37
WAR – 2.5
Garcia:
ERA – 2.33
FIP – 3.34
xFIP – 3.75
WAR – 3.1
uh oh........
I think someone’s in over his little head……
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
How's this for a stat?
78-55
69-62
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And what does that get you?
Certainly not a playoff spot
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I could care less
I hope you guys get into the postseason, it will provide us with entertainment when you fail.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Because you’ve provided the great people of Cincinnati with entertainment all season.
Still waiting for the Cards to beat the Astros…
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Still waiting for the Reds to beat the Cards
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You see the problem with you
And a good amount of people on RR, is you’re talking big shit, because this is the first time your team has been relevant in what 20 years….and before that it was the Big Red Machine, while the Cardinals are relevant every year.
The reality is, you come over here and troll your heart out, and all I see is a bandwagon fanbase, who needs to prove that their dicks are bigger than ours, and it’s laugable.
It’s the Reds this year, next year it could be the Pirates, or the Astros, the fact remains that it will always be you looking up to us trying to kick us out of the top spot.
And if you’re trying to start some rivalry bullshit….i’m sorry, it takes a lot to overtake the cubs.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
eh hem
laughable, before the troll notes spelling errors.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Adjusted for ballpark?
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Still waiting...
For stats adjusted for ballpark
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...
xFIP is adjusted for park
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
W-L? that's your argument?
hahaha
AHAHAHAAA
go enjoy your winning while it lasts
i’m done with you and your bullshit
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Cueto might have something in his face this weekend
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
About the whole balls thing
While the Cardinals were the only ones to complain, I think it spoke larger volumes when John Smoltz complained about them last year. If Jaime said something, you’d say “oh shut up rook,” but when a guy who has been around for 20 years says they are the worst he’s ever used, I think he may be on to something.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you find it funny...
…that Smoltz pitched in the NL for years, and never once complained about the balls in Cincy until he joine the Cardinals?
If the balls are so bad, why did it take him 20 years to say something? Maybe LaRussa had something to do with it.
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or maybe the reds got tired of sucking the past decade
and decided to get desperate?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Right...
…so desperate that they “cheated.”
Somehow, only the Cardinals noticed. The other 15 teams are just stupid I guess…
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is it not possible that the ball situation just happened that one time and didn't happen again?
that seems plausible.
RELEASE TYLER GREENE
you apparently have a balls issue
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe...
…there is just something about that Cardinals uniform that turns a player into a 14 year old girl.
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tell that to scott rolen
and jim edmonds
and walt jocketty
i’m sure they’ll be very appreciative
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Edmonds is a turd
Walt Jocketty is terrific.
Notice your team is headed one direction (down) since he left, while the Reds are headed in the other direction since he arrived.
We appreciate the gift.
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Edmonds is a hall of famer
you don’t even know baseball, you are just a 12 year old
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It never fails,
every single time I see that picture I have to laugh.
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
Look
Hall of Farmer shoe in John Fucking Smoltz had said those are the worse prepared balls he ever played with. The guy who preps the balls for the Reds had said those ARE NOT the balls that he prepped.
The reason the Cardinals are the only team to complain about it pretty fucking clear. Because it’s the only team that the Reds did that against.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Has anyone ever been specific about the whing?
Seriously. Is it just the 2 incident about the balls not being mudded up? Is that it?
Do a google search...
“LaRussa complains,” or “Cardinals whine,” you’ll get plenty of results.
Here’s a small list, from this year alone:
They complain about Bronson Arroyo and say he is using an illegal substance. Albert Pujols complains about Nick Masset pumping his fist after getting an important double play. Tony Larussa complains about having to play a game after a long rain delay. Brendan Ryan complains about a wet glove.
And it’s not just Cincinnati… Here’s one from Milwaukee:
http://www.620wtmj.com/sports/billmichaels/47955546.html?corder=reverse
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oh the brewers are your source?
we are not the only ones that take offense to being shown up. it’s disrespectful. ask the giants what they think of prince fielder
or did you want us to stop and dance at second for molina’s hr, rasmus and schumaker’s grand slams?
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Ok...
…so the Reds and Brewers are wrong. The Cardinals never complain…
What about Houston?
Apparently Carpenter doesn’t want you to be upset if you make an out…
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/tony-la-russa-is-completely-out-to-lunch.html.php
So according the Cardinals, you can’t celebrate if you hit a home run, you can’t be pissed if you make an out, and you can’t celebrate if you turn a big double play.
Haters? Look in the mirror Cardinals.
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same thing
carlos lee was showing chris carpenter up
i was at that game and saw it from the front rows
there’s respectful ways to celebrate
oh and one more thing: fuck you
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I see...
…the only team that knows the “correct way” to celebrate is the Cardinals, and it is their MISSION to let every team know when they do so inappropriately.
We appreciate your kind efforts, St. Louis. But we’ve been doing this baseball thing for a while now. We’ll be ok.
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I don’t think the Giants have much problem with Prince. Dave Righetti and Bob Howry were the ones who pouted and whined. The fix was a Zito off speed pitch in the leg. Prince laughed and picked up the ball and flipped it back to Barry.
Tony LaRussa complains: 7,880 results
St. Louis Cardinals whine: 237,000 results
…………
Dusty Baker complains: 23,200 results
Cincinnati Reds whine: 315,000 results
I altered your google searches because Baker is too common of a last name (and a profession) and had like millions of hits, and because there’s another team in Arizona that plays handegg called the Cardinals that skewed the results.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
disregard these results
they don’t fit into our argument.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I've never seen so much whining about whining
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 3, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Ok...
So Baker complains more than LaRussa.
Care to give a few examples?
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No
Because Trolls shouldn’t be fed.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure there was a link provided
of roughly 23,000 examples.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Right...
So in other words, you’ve got nothing.
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An opposing opinion...
…and you are labeled a troll.
You guys got it bad. You allow as much dissent as the Republican party…
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OOh Politics
Now there’s a reason to kick the troll out.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah...
… I forgot that LaRussa and Pujols made an appearance at Glenn Beck’s rally in DC.
HAHAHAHAH!
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At first I was like
“a Reds fan in a day thread. Well I don’t like the votto comparison because it seems inflammatory but what the hey, CKFresh has Fresh in his name so I thought man forget it, yo ho the Bel-Air.”
Then I got down a little further in the comments and I thought, “This isn’t very fresh. He’s picking fights about the whiny comments — which is so last month — and generally just taking a dump on the Cardinals. But hey, it’s an opposing view point, we’re pretty lenient here, whatev.”
Then I read some more and I thought, “Hmmmm, something smells trolly.”
Then I read this comment and banned you. Reds trolls are tiresome. You joined 5 days ago and the first comments you’ve made have been these trolly ones. Sorry — not kosher.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Sep 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
rec'd for Fresh Prince ref
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
you're a troll because you come here
and talk shit about our team in our house
and because you’re a dick
and you’re ignorant
that makes you a troll
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Not really...
But it was fun!
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and because your team will suck next year
and because your team isnt built for the playoffs
and because the biggest series youve played in almost 20 years starts today.
and the cards play these series all the time
Dude
You come over here and start off talking shit about Pujols’ age, then launch into whining about TLR whining, ignore the fact Cueto involved himself in the brawl, and then pull out Cueto W-L record as proof his being a good pitcher.
Having an opposing opinion is not trolling.
Doing what you’ve done is trolling.
Troll in the dungeon!!!
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
Cool...
I’ll see you at the Glenn Back rally
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How long
Until LaRussa blames Obama for the recent losing streak?
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Now
Thanks guys.
I can only hope the Cardinals are as upset and irrational as their fans!
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I can only hope
The reds are as classless as you…oh wait…see Votto, Joey and his comments about signing autographs for cubs fans.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Just ignore him.
This isn’t constructive.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 3, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Troll
I was referring to the discussion of politics, which is not allowed, which you brought up for no reason. We couldn’t kick you out for no reason, but now there is a reason….and seeing as how you bring up a rally when no one was talking about it to begin with, you’re just digging yourself deeper.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm...
When do we remind this guy we have 10 WS championships? I’m not the best banterer…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
We don't need to.
I assume he or she knows this just like he or she knows that Pujols is a better bet moving forward to put up Pujolsian numbers and just like he or she knows that Jaime Garcia is having the best rookie season in 100 years and a better season than Johnny Cueto, even when on adjusts for park effects. The dialogue is not constructive, so just ignore him or her.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 3, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda like reality tv or a bar fight...
It’s so hard to stop watching…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
perfect example
Did you read the article? Are there any quotes in the article? Or is it just a sports radio idiot trying to create ratings?
CKFresh
When he started spewing his diarrhea, did anyone picture this:
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I searched Cincy bedbugs
and I think you need to shower.
Does your mom know you are playing with her computer.
That’s the only reason I can think of why you are coming and trying to start trouble. You are just too young to understand what you are doing.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
because lots of cardinals fans are going over to mess with him I guess
oh wait
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine they are having a field day at RR
And at this point good for them. Reds win Cards lose. So be it. I’m still proud to be a Cardinal fan.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
it's going to be hillarious when they get beat in the first round
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, and in a 3 game sweep to add insult to injury
and they’re so pathetic their left fielder will probably botch a routine catch and it’ll be their undoing! haHA!
oh…I has a sad :(
Gomes is horrible, agreed
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the dropoff from Votto and Rolen to many of the rest of their roster is huge
and their starting rotation is weak. their bullpen is very good however so if they can get an early lead I guess they stand a chance
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The NL central has won one playoff game since 2006
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
there was a whole thing here and there both
a while back when we lost to the rockies in the worst way possible and they lost to i think the phillies several times, about not going over and kicking someone when he’s down
when this was a head to head race, cross post if you feel the need to, but remain civil because a) no one invited you and b) you’re in someone else’s house
but we are 8 games back, wtf? if that’s not the very definition of down, then i don’t know what is..
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Well, there are four teams still below us in the division
Hell, the Pirates are 34 games back. Thirty-four.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
Let's be realistic:
If the Cardinals sweep the Reds, they will still be 5 games out of first place. If the Reds play .600 baseball the rest of the way (as they’ve played all year), the Cardinals would have to play .750 baseball to catch them. The odds of that are about 15-1 I’d guesstimate, looking at the schedule.
Better to go to the casino and bet a Hard 8 at the Craps table than to be betting on the Cardinals to win the division with four replacement level players in the lineup every day.
I’ve all but conceded the division to you guys, I’m not hoping we catch fire and make a run at the wild card.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aren't we like 17 back by now?
Even if we sweep I don’t think it matters
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
It’s over.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Sorry,
6 months of Cards baseball isn’t enough. I can’t help myself but to want them to win out. Of course I still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and that people are generally good-hearted.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
It ain't over until it's over
or when you’re 8/5.5 games out with 31 left.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Wait!
What’s the loss column look like?
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Sep 3, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be there tomorrow
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
do you know how that camera day works?
has anyone been to one before?
are long lines before gates open to be expected?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
asking them to take their shirts off is frowned upon
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
never been to a camera day
excited to go. Want to see if I can get my picture taken with carpenter in my “Cueto fights like a girl” shirt. It’s 2 hours before the games starts.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i know how to recognize you then
proposition: i will take pictures of you and players if you do the same for me
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I'll be there with my wife (and my mother-in-law)
who is a photographer. But I’ll be happy to take pictures of you with the players and meet up for a few beers between innings.
Do you know where you are sitting?
On none event days the lines before the game haven’t been bad. Actually, I’ve never ran into longer than a 5 minute wait to get into the gate at any time i’ve shown up.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
haven't decided where and if i want to sit yet
if you tell me which gate you guys are going through i’ll find you or i’ll try to spot you on the field, can’t miss that shirt
i guess i will be harassing o’leary at the bar he mentions a few posts below between bp and first pitch, come and say hi if i don’t see you guys before
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i don't have the tickets
my mother in law does. But we are field level near the third base dugout. Not sure of the section.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
bring a sharpie!
what a great idea!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Went 20+ years ago
I’m guessing things have changed some. Still have that picture of me, Ozzie, and five other random kids looking in various directions.
For the past several years,
the way it has worked is when the gates first open (or, now that I think about it, maybe shortly after) they open the gate in the wall next to the Cards’ dugout and everyone with a camera is allowed to go on the track which is roped off from the rest of the field. Then, the players & coaches take a walking lap, usually in groups of two or three, around the edge of the grass while everyone takes their pictures. A few do autographs, but it’s so busy/quick they can’t do that for everyone. If the track/field is wet, they don’t let you on the track and you have to stay in the first couple of rows of the seats.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 3, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll probably be there shooting video Sat and Sun
Want to get some video of Votto, Rolen, and Edmonds.
Maybe tonight, but my daughter has a soccer game.
i am thinking about going sat and probably sunday
also going tonight
you guys wanna have beers between BP and first pitch?
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where is a good place for that?
i know there’s a bar at the casino queen party porch..
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CF Camera positions you guys say...
everyone have smart phones?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
good!
I’ll post on here if I can’t find anyone.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
or why don't you send oleary an email with your number
he has his gmail in his profile
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Going Sat or Sun. Haven't decided which yet.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
AC off, windows open.
How ’bout this weather?!?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Beautiful
Cool and quiet, just like the Cardinals
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i ran into a couple VEB people photostreams
on flickr, photobucket, picasa etc. while looking for the best place to put my pictures
if anyone has photos out there somewhere that he shares, can you post them? thanks
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or at least a list of everyone's photo streams
i have some 10 thousand pictures from this season
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I see VEB is playing to the level of its competition.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This thread started out with too much green.
It had to regress.
by TBender on Sep 3, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Haha!
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
flag it, link the evidence, walk away.
it’s not that hard.
VEBers enjoy troll-baiting way too much, and it just brings more trolls.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it just confuses me why people don't understand
that when you troll someone else’s blog uninvited, you should at least be polite
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
earth to d-dee
THEY WANT YOU TO BE ANGRY.
don’t give them the satisfaction. don’t satisfy stupid people, it’s beneath you.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the f.u. was a nice touch
don’t apologize to me
the people who stopped reading today’s blog are already gone.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So to jump start the Cards 30 game win streak....
I shaved my goatee off for the first time in about 7 years…….Playoff beard, engage.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Now if only we could get Supp, Miles, and Stav to do the same
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
They would never do it.
Think of their tan lines.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta tell ya,
this feels fucking weird.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I've considered doing the same thing
but can’t quite bring myself to do it. I’ve had a goatee for about 12 years now….
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Sep 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Do it for the team, man
They need you. I’ll be shaving before the game as well.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
so... what? i can't help the team?
what is with this facial hair exclusiveness? not fair!
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
well....nvm. I'm not going there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and I see what you did there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
15 games
Washington Nationals outfielder Nyjer Morgan has been suspended for eight games for a series of recent incidents, including his role in a benches-clearing brawl Wednesday against the Florida Marlins.
In its announcement Friday, Major League Baseball cited the following incidents in its decision to suspend Morgan:
• Aug. 28 at home: Morgan unnecessarily ran into St. Louis Cardinals catcher Bryan Anderson in the bottom of the eighth.
• Aug. 31 at the Marlins: Morgan directed inappropriate comments toward fans during the 10th inning.
• Wednesday at Florida: Morgan charged the mound in the top of the sixth inning, fought during the ensuing benches-clearing incident and directed inappropriate gestures and comments towards the fans as he left the field.
The eight-game ban is is in addition to the seven-game suspension and undisclosed fine issued to Morgan for his inappropriate actions in an Aug. 21 game at Philadelphia. Morgan has appealed the suspension.
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Maybe Nyjer
Needs someone like Elijah Dukes used to have.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I really have very little respect for Reds fans
starting to make Cubs fans look smart
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well in fairness
It’s probably harder to self-police the stoopid when there are less than 15000 people going to a 1st place team’s games in August.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The ones I dealt with at the ballpark
Were always fine with me. That might be different this year, though.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 3, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
now that they are winning they are acting retarded
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Saux fans?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
A few guys posting on the internet
Who cares.
I mean, for god’s sake we don’t assume all the main writers for this blog live in their mom’s basement or any…um….hmmm.
I know some cincy fans in "real life" and they are behaving childish as well
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
but hey, whatever
I guess this is their moment, they can act however they want I guess
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Let the baby have it's bottle.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
behaving like little....
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i resent the implication! mom gets her rent check every first of the month! on time!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Things to keep Reds fans from sleeping at night
How long before Dusty turns Arnoldis Chapman into Mark Prior or Kerry Wood?
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
at least he's not a starter so that will buy him some time
but then again maybe Dusty uses him every day
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Reds are planning for Chapman
to be in the rotation next season. We’ll see…
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
arm will be re-attached after next season
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
does he have the strasburg problem?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I need to see, but he makes me nervous
He IS a fastball/slider pitcher who throws extremely hard and whose arm action and timing is at best borderline, which is NOT good.
Ask me Monday.
he better have a pretty durable arm if he ends up having horrible mechanics coupled with playing for Dusty
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The Reds worked on his mechanics in AAA
Supposedly, Chapman’s a lot more compact and smooth in his delivery, which does look pretty effortless considering he’s throwing 102-103.
In his first two appearance, the slowest fastball was 98….his first pitch both nights.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
A factor in Chapman's favor
There’s not a lot of mileage on the arm. He became a pitcher just 4 years ago, so he wasn’t blowing it out with heavy innings when he was 14, 15, 16.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Check back here...
I bet there will be a very nice summation by Chris O’leary in the fanposts.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Meh
Having watched a number of the AAA starts, he’s got a lot of work to do to be a starter. The slider comes and goes and didn’t look anything like the 88 mph beast he’s shown so far in relief. Maybe that’s a real change or maybe it’s just him being able to air it out I don’t know. And then he loses fastball control with regularity, which is something no big league starter can do—-let alone maintain command. And then his changeup blows, though if the slider is as good as it’s been so far he could probably get away with being a 2.5 pitch pitcher—-but if the slider is what he was showing earlier in the year, they’d better leave him at AAA to throw a bunch of changeups.
So that’s control, slider consistency and possibly a 3rd pitch…..that’s a lot IMO.
Not afraid to nitpick
His timing actually looks WORSE to me
Wood wasn't Dusty's fault.
It was Riggleman, and thankfully he hasn’t done it sin…oh, sorry Washington.
(Joking. Wood was ridden hard in high school and Riggleman was sick about what happened to Wood under his watch. And, he’s not at fault with Strasburg.)
Enjoying this thread
A few tidbits I’d like to share…
1. This is NOT the first time the Reds haven’t been bad in 20 years, nor is this their “most important series” in 20 years. In 1994, they had the best record in the division when the strike hit. In 1995, they won the division, beat the Dodgers in the NLDS, then fell apart against the Braves in the NLCS (Reggie Sanders nightmares). In 1999, the Reds lost a one-game playoff to the Mets for the wild card spot. No they haven’t been good recently, I agree, but it’s been less than 20 years.
2. A Cardinals fan friend of mine blames an unqualified hitting coach, Mark McGwire, for the Cards failures this season. What does everyone think?
3. Since May 3, the Reds have the best record in the NL Central….2nd place? The Astros. Cards have 4th-best record in that time-frame.
4. I will agree that the Reds will have trouble in the playoffs. They need a hammer starting pitcher. If they had been able to get Cliff Lee, I would have liked their situation a lot better. Although the bullpen has been lights out recently, and Chapman looks like he’ll provide a big boost. Of course, I’m just enjoying the fact that the Reds are likely to be in the playoffs for a change. Losing makes you appreciate winning that much more.
5. I agree that Wainwright, Carp and Garcia are all better than any Reds starting pitcher….but as we’re finding out, stud starting pitching can only go so far when your bullpen is mediocre, and you’re playing the likes of Pedro Feliz, Brendan Ryan, and Skippy, on a regular basis, or Aaron Miles at all.
6. Obviously, I’d love for the Reds to sweep the Cards this weekend, but I’ll be just fine with taking 1 out of 3….still would be a 7-game lead.
7. Barring injuries, the Reds will NOT go back to being bad next season….they have too much young talent and too much pitching depth.
8. Oh, and as a response to the most recent comment. I don’t care what happens to Chapman in the future…if he helps the Reds win the World Series, then he can have TJ surgery next season for all I care. Flags fly forever. Dusty has MANY faults as a manager, but he’s gotten a bit of a bad rap over the whole Prior/Wood thing. The Nats were being extra careful with Strasburg and look how that turned out.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
Wow....long comment....sorry for the wordiness :)
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to blame McGwire but there's little evidence of correlation for hitting coaches
unless it’s Larussa who is telling the hitting coach to tell the players to “be aggressive”. just not smart.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't see how you can blame McGwire
I just think my friend still has a LaRussa man-crush and doesn’t want to admit that his boy may be the problem.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
many of us here want Larussa gone like a year ago
but then again, there are just as many diehard Larussa fans
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously I can't stand La Russa
but I’d still rather have him than Dusty is my manager. Trust me, the Reds are winning in spite of Dusty this season. Other than the players, the biggest reason for the Reds success is Walt Jocketty. He did an excellent job of Dusty-proofing the roster….he purged the club of the Corey Patterson, Willy Taveras and Darnell McDonald types.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I'm definitely not sayin I want Dusty Baker as manager
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
you know, i have always always liked la russa and defended him
because despite his ridiculousness, it always seemed to work. and he was very good at getting the best out of mediocre teams. IIRC, even that 2007 team was still in the playoff race until september.
but this year…its not working. and i don’t think it will again. and instead of getting good results from a bad team, the opposite is happening.
RELEASE TYLER GREENE
I thought Larussa was great until '08
then he went downhill fast
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A couple answers.
#2. It’s not McGwire fault..
#3. The difference is getting it done in the division. Removing H2H, Cincy is 34-12 while St. Louis is 21-24.
Yep Reds don't need to beat the Cards
If the Cards can’t beat the bottom-feeders. Colin Cowturd was dissing the Reds again today, saying how they “pad their record against bad teams.” Ummm, isn’t that what good teams are supposed to do? Beat the teams that are worse than them. Reds have done a better job of that then the Cardinals.
Has their been any discussion here of the wisdom of LaRussa moving the rotation around to save his big three for the Reds in both of these last two series? Seems like he’s putting all his eggs in one basket to me.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
don't get us started abour Larussa
he’s inexplicable
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Compete with the good teams and beat the bad teams.
As for your other point. It mattered in the last series between the clubs. This time? Notsomuch.
thanks for being civil
I don’t think this is McGwire’s fault. But I’m not really qualified to judge that.
We here are all well aware the Cardinals record everywhere has been mediocre after their outstanding start and the Cardinals have a consistent history of winning in the division. Not this year.
It doesn’t matter if the Cards sweep Cincy (which I don’t think will happen), they are still toast. I think they were expecting help in august or september and it didin’t happen.
Barring injuries, hahahahaha, this season would be very different without all the Cardinal injuries.
Dusty is one of my least liked managers. He creates an us against them mentality that comes to backfire on his clubs. Hopefully Jocketty can keep that from happening in Cincy.
Good luck.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
All the Cardinals injuries?
What key injuries have the Cardinals had? 6 of your guys (not counting Feliz) have played at least 110 games. Your top 3 starting pitchers have been healthy. Am I forgetting a major contributor? Or have a lot of guys played hurt?
Yes, there’s Freese, Lohse and Penny. But counting on Brad Penny to stay healthy is foolish to begin with. The Reds had injuries to Harang, Bailey and Cabrera. Have either the Reds or Cardinals suffered more or less injuries than the average MLB team?
I should have said “barring a major injury,” I guess.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Freese was the biggest one
followed by Penny and Lohse
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
COLBY
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Colby has only missed what, 15-17 games?
Was he playing hurt a bunch? Hell, I think his numbers may still be better than (or comparable to) Jay Bruce.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
he seems to be perpetually playing hurt
we’re a little gunshy over toolsy center fielders with great batting eyes ever since j.d. drew couldn’t stay healthy.
Then you have to factor in all the times
that TLR just decided he wasn’t ready. He’s played in 115 games, and without digging into the game logs, I’d guess that 10+ of those have been as a PH.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
we have no real backup catcher
because someone gave him a concussion and split his face open just because
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
LaRue....
Cueto did ya a favor. Losing LaRue is addition by subtraction. Just like getting Feliz was subtraction by addition.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know that
just wanted to point out that this is Jason LaRue we’re talking about. He’s bad at baseball. And doesn’t LaRussa play Yady 150 games a year anyway.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes TLR does....
We (I) just don’t really appreciate you telling us how much of a favor Cueto did the Cards by being a fucktard.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yes, 150 because we ONLY had LaRue
now we don’t have him
i’ll have to very politely say f.u. for your cueto did you a favor comment
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I much prefer to have Anderson.
I don’t like how LaRue got injured, but his vacancy is not a bad thing for the team, at least on the field.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
He and Murphy can be co-bullpen catchers next year.
Problem solved.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I'm a bigger
LaRue fan than most. I think he has done a pretty good job of backing up Yadi. I think a lot of people link Yadi’s overexposure to Larue’s inadequacy, but I think that’s mostly just due to the pitchers insisting that they have the best defensive catcher in baseball catching for them, not that Larue is a bad catcher. Plus I just like that he’s a fun character.
Just making a joke is all
Not trying to be a dick, sorry
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
cueto did us a favor? really?
who on your team would like to give up for us to put on the dl?
all you’ve seen of larue is what? a spreadsheet? maybe not even that?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Hello I suffered with LaRue
on the Reds for a number of years. He stinks.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey I'm not defending Cueto
Nor do I wish to rehash all that nonsense. LaRue’s hurt…shouldn’t have happened. Agreed. But he backs up one of the best catchers in the NL. He hardly plays. Not having LaRue is going to cost you many, if any games. Now if he’d done that to Yady, then it would have been much worse.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not so much how many injuries we had
as to how freaking long they were/are
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
IMO the Freese
injury has been the biggest. If we could have had a fairly average producer in the lineup every day at 3B, a lot of our weaknesses wouldn’t have been exposed nearly as bad. Lopez would have been part of a 3 man middle infield. We wouldn’t have Feliz. We likely wouldn’t have Aaron Miles on the team. The Penny and Lohse injuries netted us Suppan (which wasn’t a terrible move IMO) but also made the Westbrook trade more of a necessity, and now we don’t have Ludwick.
this.
the penny/loshe injuries were HUGE because we lost ludwick because of them. and without freese and ludwick we have no offense.
RELEASE TYLER GREENE
ok, i take back my compliment about you being a civil poster.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Aren't both Bailey and Harang
available now? And isn’t the Cabrera injury fairly recent?
Penny, though is out for the season. He’s actually been pretty durable for his career, including 30 starts last year, so it wasn’t unreasonable to count on him.
Lohse has been out most of the year. He’s back now, but he may have turned into a pumpkin. That’s TBD.
Freese is huge. Then Ludwick, Rasmus, and Motte have all missed significant time.
I'd forgotten about Motte
And Lohse is another guy I wouldn’t expected anything out of, even if healthy. But seriously, if I get some time this weekend, I might look at DL days lost for the Reds and Cardinals and compare it to the rest of the league. I’d be interested to see how it all stacks up.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He was expected to be a #4 type pitcher, who's paid like a 2 or 3.
With the contract he’s signed to, he needed to fill some innings.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Ok so what's your point?
I made a comment about all the Cardinals that have been injured and your response for every single one of them has been that it’s no big deal that they were injured, because they were worthless players. And the Cardinals were stupid for depending on them.
I’ve tried to be nice.
Go Away.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Not saying they were all worthless
Its just that every team deals with some injuries. Who goes through a whole season with no one being hurt anymore? But the top players were all mostly healthy for this season……Maybe the Cardinals just don’t have the depth.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
...
But counting on Brad Penny to stay healthy is foolish to begin with.
And Lohse is another guy I wouldn’t expected anything out of, even if healthy.
Cueto did ya a favor. Losing LaRue is addition by subtraction. Just like getting Feliz was subtraction by addition.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
yeah
except Lohse, he’s not that bad
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't you expect anything out of Lohse?
You can’t just write off all of the unforunate injuries as “to be expected.” Lohse was signed (unwisely) as a durability guy. If Lohse isn’t out for much of the season, we likely still have Ludwick.
His good numbers were fluky
Granted, you could have expected innings out of him, and that has some value. But expecting Lohse to be of a good quality is a bit much.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
"Good" and "4.5 FIP so we don't have to trade our 4th best hitter in order to not have Jeff Suppan make as many starts"
Two different things.
Not afraid to nitpick
the loss of innings from a decent starter is exactly the problem though
we aren’t saying his loss hurt us because he was so awesome. his loss hurt us because he was a starting pitcher who performed adequately enough and without him we were forced to sign suppan
RELEASE TYLER GREENE
Like you said
Our top 3 are healthy right now, so we need the innings. Quality only means better than Suppan.
Cabrera has been over the last few weeks
And the Reds haven’t really missed him because while Paul Janish is worse with the bat, he isn’t THAT much worse, and he fantastic defensively, unlike Slow-Cab.
Bailey is back….but Harang is toast. I wish he’d stayed on the DL.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh
1. VEBDGAF
2. he’s wrong
5.our bullpen is not that mediocre witch a couple exceptions, Brendan Ryan has a major upside to him and it involves a glove, Aaron Miles is inexcusable
counter question: how many more of you should we expect to see here today?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
you are asking so you can be nice and welcome them, right?
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Hey Reds' fan post that is actually cool!
2. No. Hitting coaches don’t really do that much unless it’s just a blatantly horrible philosophy. It was a possibility for Ryan/Skip/etc to fall off a cliff, they just kinda all happened to do so in the same year. I wouldn’t expect that to remain the same next year.
7. I don’t think they’ll be bad, but I think they’ve gotten several career years out of players that aren’t likely to repeat. Votto is .030 points over his wOBA, same with Hanigan/Hernandez, this is basically as good as you can possibly expect Rolen to play and god knows what happens with his shoulder on a year to year basis—-literally the only player that you could say isn’t meeting expectations/ZiPS RoS projections is Orlando Cabrera and he’s a 36 year old SS anyway. Even Miguel Cairo is managing to be productive. On the pitching side of it, every pitcher has a >4.3 xFIP so while yeah there’s depth, there isn’t anyone you can really guarantee will be better than a #3 next year. This is all on top of the Reds exceeding the 3rd order wins by 7, the most in the big leagues. I look at the roster and still don’t see better than an 85 win team as an expectation, though there’s obviously some upside with say Bruce/Votto repeating/Chapman/Volquez.
Not afraid to nitpick
I agree the Reds have overachieved in some areas this season
I was hoping they may challenge for a wild card…85 wins was the max I was thinking too. But there is definitely some upside with the younger players. Votto should stay consistent….Bruce and Stubbs can improve.
I am concerned about Rolen though. I don’t expect him to be this healthy next season, and his being hurt is biggest thing that can hurt the Reds (and yes I’m counting Votto there). He makes the team so much better. The Reds need to get a better 3B backup for next season, because counting on a repeat from Cairo is foolish, and Juan Francisco is terrible defensively.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And other than the last few weeks
Bruce has been a big disappontment this season. It’s funny, the idiot Reds commentators keep giving all the credit to Jim Edmonds, and how he’s shown Bruce how to play and stuff…..it couldn’t have anything to do with Bruce being more fully recovered from the wrist injury he had late last season. Nope, it’s all Edmonds and his veterany goodness.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i still don't understand how none of you seem to see or appreciate the value of JEd
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
It's a irrational hatred of Edmonds
He was so good for so long, the hate has been building for years. And he just LOOKS like a douche….:)
Seriously though, I was fine with the acquisition. If healthy, he gives the Reds a legit backup at 1B, and another good bat off the bench. We had Cairo play there for a week for Votto…..Cairo had a super-hot week, but that was dumb luck.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It's because JEd killed you guys for about 5 straight years.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Exactly my point
He killed us for so long, it’s hard for many of us to be unbiased when evaluating him. I’m OK with him, really.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he looks like a douche?
so do johnny gomes and your hero joey votto. what’s your point?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
now that you mention it
Votto is a HUGE douche. doesn’t make him a bad ballplayer
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but Gomes and Votto are OUR douches :)
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Votto won’t touch a Cub! ahahah wtf was that
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
again, what's your point?
if i’m not mistaken, JEd is wearing your uniform
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
My point is this
They were giving ALL the credit for Bruce’s improvement to Edmonds….not crediting Bruce at all. Granted, Edmonds may have helped him, but Bruce still has to go out and do it.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That's hysterical.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we're 3 years and 1300 PAs in with Bruce and he's at .336 wOBA career and .347 this year
Yeah he’s young so I believe the .350ish more than the .336 and there’s upside, but I don’t know how much higher expectations should be vs. what he’s done this year.
As for Votto, “consistent” yeah, but I’d wager he’s not gonna touch .440 wOBA again. A lot of guys have monster (single) years. Pujols is the exception not the rule.
I think Stubbs gets worse before he gets better. He strikes out a ton, doesn’t have crazy power and doesn’t walk that much. 72% contact on swings, .170 ISO and a 8% walk rate is not a good combination. He’s underperformed his tools all the way back to his days at Texas. That’s not to say he can’t be a useful MLB player, but quite frankly I don’t think he’s very good.
Not afraid to nitpick
Votto has consistently had a very high BABIP.
If his true talent is a .350 BABIP, then he’ll be fine, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a “down” (read: still pretty damn good) year one of these seasons.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
And what the hell
his LD% is down, his GB % is up and he’s having his best year yet. What is this guy?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
a witch?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't want to know if his balls float.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask Dick Pole.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
My answers (jd's opinions only represent himself, not VEB)
I think the answer to 2 can be found in 5. We’re giving Pedro Feliz, Aaron Miles, and Nick Stavinoha PAs this season. We’re letting Mike MacDougal and Jeff Suppan pitch (the latter kinda out of necessity). Sometimes it feels like half of our 25-man is filled with 25th men. Hopefully, TLR will ride off into the sunset and Mo adopts a new roster management strategy.
Re: number 7…my retort is in your sig ;)
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
Aroldis Chapman video
If he pitches Sat or Sun, or later tonight, I should be able to get some with my camera.
Looking forward to this weekend. The tension should be there but hopefully it just creates exciting baseball and not more hatred.
Even with the Reds playing great baseball, and the Cardinals slumping, the big three of Garcia, Wainwright, and Carp scares the shit out of me. If we avoid the sweep I will be ecstatic.
Hopefully this budding rivalry is the start of division battles in the years to come and not just a one year thing.
Sorry. This type of season has never happened for me. I don't know how to handle it :(
I’ll slowly back away and retreat to RR :p
I seem to remember
All of the VEB people gettng run off of RR after the sweep a couple of weeks ago. Somehow, now that the Cards are 8 back, Reds fans have decided that it’s time for there to be discussion.
I don’t understand.
I don't post a lot but I've made a few comments on here before with questions and what not.
and when the whole “board war” went down I was one on RR telling people to not be fucking stupid.
I don't think anyone wants to be stupid right now.
But if you are going to hang out over here, be very nice. In fact, truthfully, whatever you say is probably going to piss someone off. We all have different hot buttons.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
i actually really like you in particular
but maybe you guys should go back to RR
that’s 3 today
it’s enough
and any games we lose this weekend i expect a flood of you here…
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Why should he go back? He's being reasonable
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
YOU GO BACK!!!!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Fine.
I’ll go to that Pirates blog and talk to the dude there
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Say hi to Pat for me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
furst troll started mildly reasonable
and look where that led
number 2 is starting to push it
notice a pattern?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
exactly
not sure what people are taking issue with
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He's pushing it?
He’s very reasonable.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i take offense to
“cueto did you a favor by putting larue on the dl”
he’s pushing my patience
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Not out to get anyone
Just trying to have a discussion. That’s all.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I'm off to work
Good luck on the rest of the season….hope ya finish in second!
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 3, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
you pretty much made up for the troll
good work, kudos! now, I hope the Cardinals pwn your team’s ass again
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
you started out fine, but you are devolving
I don’t think Reds fans should be banned from the site or anything like that.
I don’t think it is wise to be making comments like you have cesar without expecting backlash. I admit, I am extra senstive right now.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
what the hell did he say?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
ah
well, Larue used to be on his team, just a bad joke
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
so because rolen used to be on mine
should i say it’d be great if he got hurt for two months too?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
i dont have a problem with ceasarhernandez
but i do agree that VEB would look poorly upon its own if we said something similar.
RELEASE TYLER GREENE
didn't say you were him
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The other dude's first comment was "Votto > Pujols...discuss"
That’s trolling. cesar’s first comment was rec-worthy, and quite reasonable. I don’t expect to see him turn troll, and if he does, it will be handled accordingly.
I’d hate to see the day VEB wasn’t welcome to fans of other teams.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 3, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
great
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..i miss ludriguez-wick..
and so it begins
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
you know what's utterly ridiculous?
not in a Pujols way of course…
but the Reds fans and little Brandon getting pissed off about Carpenter asking for different baseballs to use. isn’t that just a part of the game? the pitcher gets used to a certain type of conditioning for the ball from other ballparks, asks for something similar. and this starts a goddamn controversy? it’s just dumb.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
I'm sure they would've takien notice if the ball had slipped out of his fingers
and beaned one of their guys.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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