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The Door Out of Summer

It's only fitting that it was the Pirates.

The Cardinals were doomed this year by two bugaboos: bad teams and divisional foes. They lost game after game to teams the rest of baseball used as doormats, and played their worst baseball within the Central Division. So what better team to finally end our collective misery than the Pittsburgh Pirates, the hundred loss darlings of the NL Central? Score one for poetic justice, or maybe just score one for the continued cruelty of whatever it is that makes the world turn 'round. Either way, we all knew it had to be the Pirates.

***

I had planned on titling this piece "Not With a Bang, But a Whimper", before I remembered I used that title a couple years back on a post about Jason Isringhausen. Still, I think it fits, as last night was as whimper as it gets. It was a perfect, quiet sigh of resignation.

The lasting image of the 2010 season should probably be something happy, something exciting. An Albert record-breaking homer, or an Adam Wainwright curveball freezing an opposing hitter for strike three. If you wanted to focus on future glories you could go with Jaime Garcia instead, maybe the whiffle ball curve he threw Joey Votto back in that wonderful series sweep that almost sent Votto back to the dugout with just one strike. There were plenty of high points this season, plenty of good stuff we should file away as iconic. But for me, I prefer honesty to gloss, and the lasting image for me of this season just might be Mike MacDougal last night. A journeyman pitcher no one else wanted, playing out the string on what may be his last shot. He's still got the stuff, but somehow it just isn't working, and he looks around, trying to figure out if it's all just a nightmare. Trying to look behind without anyone noticing, to see if somehow he can find where he went wrong, where he left the road that made sense and ended up here.

We had Jeff Suppan starting an elimination game, and Mike MacDougal finishing it. If we had only been able to get our time machine working, 2005 might very well have been ours for the taking last night. Unfortunately, the calendar stubbornly remains set to 2010, and our season went out with a whimper.

***

Odd Pandora item of the day: using "Stranded" by the Walkmen to build a station on Pandora leads to a playlist including Journey's "Open Arms". I can only assume the algorithm that builds these stations interprets a Walkmen request as an affinity for high scratchy yelping, as that seems to be the only common thread I can think of.

***

 It's times like this, times when I feel as if I've just been punched in the stomach, when I sometimes question why I bother with sports at all.

I was talking with a man named Darrell a couple weeks ago at work. I don't know Darrell. I have no idea what sort of person he is. I don't know if he's married, if he has kids, if he's a cat person or a dog person. What I do know is that he's a big Cardinal fan, and I know this because whenever he and I find ourselves in a conversation the Cardinals are always the topic. We argue over the value of Aaron Miles, we laugh and celebrate great plays and wins, we commiserate over losses. He wants McClellan in the rotation, I don't think he has the pitches to do it. He hated the Ludwick deal, I still think it was a good idea. We both think having Chris Perez back would be awesome.

On this particular day, Darrell deviated from our standard line of conversation. Somehow, for some reason, he brought up books. And the particular book he brought up was, to my surprise and horror, "Atlas Shrugged". We debated the merits of the book itself for a while, and then he began expounding on the politics of the book. He had never really paid all that much attention to politics, he said, but lately has begun to really develop an interest, mostly due to the fact the talk radio station in his town (I don't recall where), is carrying a lot of political talk radio these days. He mentioned Sean Hannity in particular.

I tell you this not to start a political debate of some sort, but only to give you some insight into who Darrell apparently is. I would imagine most of you have been around here long enough and gleaned enough insight from the things I say to have figured out I'm about as far from that side of the spectrum as you can possibly get. In other words, Darrell and I do not see eye to eye on things.

I listened to him, and I just sort of nodded along, neither agreeing nor disagreeing. I learned long ago I'm not good at having political/social/religious conversations with people I wish to stay on good terms with; it always ends with me going way too far and the immediate dissolution of any sort of friendly exchange. So I nod and I say nothing. It works.

I saw Darrell again a few days after, and he asked me what I thought of Dan Descalso. I talked about how much I liked his swing, and what I think of his glove, and how I hoped Skip Schumaker would be patrolling the outfield for some other team next season. Darrel disagreed about Skip, said he thought the guy would make a really good fourth outfielder for us. We argued back and forth, and then I sort of realised something. It's something I'm pretty sure I already knew, as is the case with most good epiphanies, but it had never quite crystallized for me.

I could have a debate with this man whose beliefs are utterly inimical to me, and it never got ugly. There was no screaming match, no bitter exchanges, even though he once told me he thought Juan Pierre would be the perfect leadoff guy for the Cardinals. We laugh together about our team, and never mind the two of us see the world through such radically different lenses.

It's a common language, this game of ours, a common language with stakes that stay on the field. Friends never argue over whether Bert Blyleven deserves to be in the Hall of Fame and then stay pissed at each other for more than a few minutes. People don't march around with Bible verse signs in protest of the designated hitter. (Though maybe they should.) We may have different views of Jeff Suppan's stance against stem cells in '06, but we can all agree he was awesome against the Mets that year.

When I'm sitting and having a sandwich at the Bread Co., wearing a Cardinal jacket, and an older lady at the next table asks me what we did last night, I look over and give her the score from the game. I don't ask what she means, I don't question why she's talking to me, I just speak our common language and tell her what the Cards did. There's something at least slightly magical about that.

So maybe that's what we should all try to take away from this moment in time, when our team has finally died and we know October will hold no joy for us. We may be miserable, but we're all miserable together. I don't know about you, but I find that thought oddly comforting.

***

The Baron's Playlist for the 29th of September, 2010

"The Man in Me" - Bob Dylan (Big Lebowski was on the other day; every time I watch that movie this song gets stuck in my head for days afterward.)

"Green Green Grass of Home" - Porter Wagoner

"Delta Dawn" - Tanya Tucker

"Angel Flying Too Close to the Ground" - Willie Nelson

"Que Sera Sera" - Jennifer Terran

"(Just Like) Starting Over" - The Flaming Lips

"You Are What You Love" - Jenny Lewis and the Watson Twins

 

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It's hard not to have political arguments these days

People don’t seem to want to state an opinion. They just want to HATE on something. Common sense or facts be damned.

by sdrone on Sep 29, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly

the lack of intelligent discussion is a shame. it seems that some people can only resort to personal attacks

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playlist Comment

Flaming Lips? Really? Blah. Especially after Delta Dawn (what flower DID she have on? Was it really a faded rose or, perhaps, something else…) But I do love that Dylan tune. “New Morning” is one of the better under-rated Dylan albums. I also love how the thread of Cardinal baseball is woven into the fabric of St. Louis (re: Your comment about the ‘older lady’ at Bread Co.). Most places don’t have that wonderful, unifying sense of community ownership to a baseball team – just ask Evan Longoria. It isn’t necessarily as pastoral as a James Earl Jones diatribe from “Field Of Dreams,” but is comforting and neighborly, sort of like bbq pork steaks on a Sunday afternoon.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Sep 29, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Delta Dawn

The sarcastic part of me always chuckles at that part of the lyrics, hearing “flour” instead of “flower”, to which I sing the next verse of the song as “Could it be a five-pound bag of Martha White?”

Although I could be just remembering way too vividly a gag from a Branson theater trip in my long since lost youth. Baldknobbers? Presley’s perhaps.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 29, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball is a deep and complicated form of entertainment with lots of history, economic importance, culture, etc.

But in the end it is entertainment. People care about sports and they care about politics, but the type of “care” is much, much different between them because of the perceived stakes. If someone believes something about baseball that is illogical and totally against what I believe, then it’s no big deal. If it’s about politics, that belief could have a much different impact on my life through elections and voting and policies enacted.
You can only say so much about forms of entertainment such as movies or books. Baseball is always changing, always moving, and the outcome is never predetermined. You can study it intensely or just sit back and watch in wonder. Very few people die and very few people are oppressed and lots of people have fun.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Another great post Aaron,

thanks for everything this season. Can’t believe it’s already over.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

yep...and we're actually having fall here this year.....

I must say it’s my favorite time up here. Gorgeous.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the Flaming Lips song a cover of the John Lennon song?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes.

And it’s actually better.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 29, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB, I've been meaning to ask you

Have you heard of the Only Ones? They were a really interesting band playing in the punk era in England – to musically talented for punk, lyrics filled with too much longing, cynicism and drug references to be considered hard rock. The story of their lead singer, Peter Perrett, is really interested as well (basically Syd Barrett light, except he came back).

There best song, “Another Girl, Another Planet”, is a semi-hit that was featured in a phone commercial, but it’s really a fantastic song for one that gets little recognition. It’s pretty obviously about Herion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvO7HNQPFRI

Other good songs are “The Whole of the Law”, “The Big Sleep”, and “Peter and the Pets”.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 29, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Heard of them,

but am not intimately acquainted with them. I do own Special View, which is one of those really odd compilation-type records America used to see from British artists who didn’t import their actual records, on cassette, but that’s really as far as my familiarity goes. AGAP is a brilliant song, though, like the Undertones and Big Star all sort of wrapped up in an early Eels record.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 29, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, too, am grateful to have this forum

in which to share my pain, anger, misery. Or, in better times, to join me in celebration. For those of us who don’t live in/near St. Louis, it’s not as easy to just blindly find another Cards fan to talk to. This blog, and the wonderful folks who take so much time to write for it, gives us just that opportunity.

Oh, and, wow, going country on us today RB? I used to love Delta Dawn when I was a young pup. I always tried to sing along with the bass part even though I couldn’t quite reach the lowest notes.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 29, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

im just returning to VEB since prly the braves seriess

(not that anyone would notice) but it was frustrating hearing the complaining…im always a fan of following the cards with a positive attitude until they are mathmetically *sp out

now its time to talk offseason strat

thiis site is great…im not sure how many out of towners there are but it is pretty nice niche chat room

by guillermozeliak on Sep 29, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

according to billy beane its all luck

and i kinda agree with how short postseason is compared to other professional sports

believe it or not i like the reds chances despite the general consensus…but the nl is very equal all around

by guillermozeliak on Sep 29, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm torn b/w rooting for SF or ATL

I have a soft spot for SF, but it’s Bobby Cox’s final season… help!

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10

by dan on Sep 29, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm rooting for those two as well

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love atl because i want Ankiel to succeed

i mentioned cincy but that doesnt mean im rooting for them (obv)

by guillermozeliak on Sep 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost wanna root for the Reds

I’ll never stop loving Scotty and JEd

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 29, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what you can do if the reds are playing the yankees?

turn the tv off and go get some icecream

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i see mom needs to wash your mouth out with soap again

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

on the radio shannon

said carp was pitchin tomorrow? (thurs) is that correct? espn has carp playin friday..i wanted to go a game that westbrook or carp was pitchin

by guillermozeliak on Sep 29, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Y2S, stop messing around

go work on your fanpost

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

yea i will provide a lot mlb links for the highlights

it will be positive too because in general there are good umps per the actual guys who step bw the lines

but there were some ridiculous lapses that i will give my worthless opinion on

by guillermozeliak on Sep 29, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

the spreadsheet's killing me

I’m suddenly behind on the photoshop
had a snack break … already wasting so much time on this, hah

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i should probably finish mine too

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

well geez, everyone's working on sth

what if we’re all doing the same?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya i don't want to do it if everyone else is going to post theirs

mine is just silly pics, it’s not that important

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

dear mr. mozeliak --

a funding suggestion.

may 21, 2011 at busch is “ladies night”, aka “joe mather plays RF not wearing a shirt night.” tickets from roughly even with 1st base all the way around to center field cost $250.

you’re welcome.

tom s.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 29, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

ladies and red baron night

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That'll fill the house.

Free toasters to the first 10,000.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

“Tomatoes, Toasters, and Shirtless Joe Mather: the Aaron Schafer Story”

Finally, I have a title for my memoirs.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 29, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Tomatoes, Toasters, and Shirtless Joe Mathers...and the Things We Put In Them:

the Aaron Schaefer Story

…yikes, that’s disturbing even for a dick in a toaster joke

by mattyp on Sep 29, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

do i dare hold out hope this will be a pop up picture book?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry, but no.

Too many potential lawsuits, with kids putting their eyes out left and right.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 30, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

what if you make it an adults only book?

and sell it behind the counter & covered in warning labels. tell me that wouldn’t fill you with some small amount of pride knowing you’re lif’s work has to be kept out of sight & covered with warning labels. why isn’t that every artist dream to be mainstream, yet still unaccessible?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

You may have a point.

Get it? Point? Like right in your eye! Boosh!

Seriously, though, a pornographic appliance-related popup book does sound just about right for my magnum opus, doesn’t it?

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 30, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait to see it

wait, that came out of my fingers wrong

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 30, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really hope someone has gotten you a towel before now

and Red i’d totally stand in line in the rain the buy you pornographic appliance-related popup book.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 1, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

this includes orientation?

…..wait.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok I would drive in from Springfield

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Sep 29, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news

LETS GO RAYS
Well, somebody has to support them

Dog shit salad

by Aranathor on Sep 29, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

let's file a request with bud selig that all the rays postseason home games be played in STL.

i bet they’d be better attended.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 29, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could pretend the players are different too

Gee, that young third baseman David Longoria is so good! And I love Carlos Pujols’ power.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 29, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relocating the Rays

I know there are legal tie-ups and all, but where would the Rays play if not in TB? Same goes for the Marlins, I guess. Certainly a new stadium isn’t a cure for lousy attendance and bad baseball – just ask the Nationals. I wouldn’t be surprised if MLB doesn’t start talk “contraction” talks in the next few years.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Sep 29, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm. full swap with pittsburgh?

the people of pittsburgh deserve a pick me up. also, they have a great stadium.

let the current pirates play in florida.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 29, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally,

I think you could make baseball work in Tampa with a new stadium. It’ll never be a paradise attendance-wise, but I think a new building could go a long way toward moving the numbers into respectability.

The Marlins, on the other hand, I think need to be moved. Move them to Las Vegas, relocate them to the AL West, move Pittsburgh from the Central to the NL East, and voila! You’ve got six divisions, all with the same number of teams, and a home where people should actually go to Marlins games. (Or whatever you want to rename them.)

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is brilliant.

unfortunately, as someone once pointed out to me, you can’t have an odd # of teams in each league because then one team in each league would always have an off day. i guess it would expand the season or something. i say lets just have more double headers. problem solved.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 29, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

Just take interleague play and spread it out over the whole season, rather than having them all in a five-week span. At any point in time you’ll have one team from each league playing a team from the other league. Problem solved.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 29, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a better idea.

someone get selig on the phone.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

All things being equal

…which, of course, they never are… I am in favor of Baron’s idea. Statistically, a team in the AL West has a 25% chance of post-season play while an NL Central team has about a 17% chance (excluding Wild Card issues, which would be rooted in calculus beyond my pedestrian math skills). The interleague play novelty has evaporated, so it is time to move on. Let the teams play across leagues all season long. It works for the NFL. Now, let the DH/NO! DH debates begin.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Sep 29, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

or just get rid of the whole fucking joke of a clusterfuck that is interleague

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given the "gaming" issue...

…MLB just won’t ever seriously consider Las Vegas. Unless there is a lot of money involved. Is there a lot of money in Vegas? I know that one of the plus-factors in having Florida teams was that out of town fans would travel to see their teams play in Florida. Didn’t really work out that way. However, given the huge number of cheap airline flights to Las Vegas, I believe an MLB team there could sell a few 1,000 tickets/game to out of town fans regularly – and even more to Yankee and Sox fans. Someone would have to build a domed, gambling-free facility, but that would be easy given the vast amount of desert just beyond all the casinos. Heck, all that’s left is to give the team a nickname: Las Vegas Bandits?

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Sep 29, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Las Vegas Gamblers?

Las Vegas Aces? Las Vegas Blackjacks? Las Vegas Nipple Pasties?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 29, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you mean keep the players in a domed, gambling free facility?

give them a little MIB flash?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Las Vegas Desert Bodies

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 29, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the story about the players being pissed that only something like 12K people showed up to see them the other night?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT...question

isnt there some site that compares a current player to past players and ranks them according HOFers if applicapbe….its baseball reference if i remember but just curious

by guillermozeliak on Sep 29, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

found it

it was similarity scores…must not have seen it before

by guillermozeliak on Sep 29, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

REC'D

Especially for the Jenny Lewis song in the playlist.
 
The post was really well done as well

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

first karaoke song i ever sang = Delta Dawn

inspired completely by that one episode of Friends

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Friends?

Which episode is that? I don’t remember.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 29, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

monica is singing at mike's piano bar. she's wearing a shirt that, in the spotlight, is see-through

needless to say, she’s not wearing a bra. anyway, she sings TERRIBLY, but everyone loves her because of the shirt situation, which leads her to believe she is an awesome singer because no one tells her about the shirt….hilarity ensues.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 29, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh.

I do remember the episode in question now, but I had absolutely no idea she sang “Delta Dawn” in that episode. To the DVD repository!

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You may have been distracted by the shirt.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I just see Al and Dan hugging?

eeewwww

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Sep 29, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

it's love

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't happen to work at Wash U, would you?

It’s just that I work with a Darrell who, in addition to spelling his name the same way, shares a lot of the same opinions as your Darrell, and he and I have had many similar discussions to what you mentioned above.

Also, great post! Reminded me of that scene in City Slickers where Daniel Stern talks about how growing up he and his Dad could never get along on anything – except baseball – they could always talk about baseball, no matter what.

I’ve always felt baseball was somewhat magical (for lack of a better word) in it’s ability to transcend all things – it’s definitely more than just a game.

by avs18fan on Sep 29, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope.

And I honestly don’t know if that’s how he spells his name or not. I’ve never seen it in print.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 30, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can't believe it's over, it feels like it's over before it even had a chance to start

i can’t even remember April, May & June before the season went oh so horribly wrong

and big rec’s for the play list Red. the Willie Nelson song is dead solid perfect. i love the live version copy i have, i’m not sure where it’s from, but it’s fantastic.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh I can certainly remember Freese playing 3rd

and me thinking “ok nice, a position I don’t have to worry about for a few years, and it’s cheap.”

by sdrone on Sep 29, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt get to see him play well a lot eary in the season when i saw most of the games

he was alright, but not great in the games i saw

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can be nice, i've been nice before, and i'll probably be nice again.

i’m always nice to you aren’t i? i always try to be nice to the ladies of VEB. it’s the male jerk bastards i could really give a damn about

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

well you can go to hell, too.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I KEEP TELLING YOU PEOPLE I'M ALREADY HERE!

and rec

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by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

for Az & anyone else who missed MO's interview with Bernie

listen here

i tweeted the link but didn’t know you can’t RT private tweets so if Yadi2 posted this in the game thread feel free to throw bricks at me head

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by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

or I could just steal it

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody's looking, the coast is clear

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by gdm426 on Sep 29, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

could mean a lot of different things

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm going to listen to it again, but doesn't it sound like they aren't going to wait on Albert?

whether they resign him this winter or next, it sounded to me like DeWitt & Co know they need more than 5-6 great/good players & they are at least saying they are going to fix the roster problems. now if they mean it or actually know how to fix the problems or if they can even fix the problems if they know how is up for debate. i guess we’ll all just have to wait & see. but i’m not holding my breath.

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by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

what do you think it would take to rent Pujols

3 top prospect and at least on active player? So maybe Atlanta, LAA Texas, Boston, or NYY although I am not sure the Yanks have the prospects the rest of those teams have the prospects to make the offer

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by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was thinking at least 5, 3 top prospects & 2 MLB'ers

but i’m all kinds of greedy when it comes to Albert. there’s so much more than his stats on the field that he brings to the table, i almost don’t think there’s a package out there any team could come up with i’d be happy with.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe LAA with trout and Haren as center pieces but no return

would make up for losing him

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by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I call the Red Sox.

I want Lester or Buccholz and half your farm system. Let’s get it done.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 30, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

just make sure it's the good half

and don’t forget to throw in Yuke

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by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is pretty much where Mozeliak is really put to the test

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah this winter will pave the road the team will travel for the next decade

no pressure MO. no pressure at all bro

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by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mo is not our bro, bro

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 30, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i'm not, wait, um, uummm, fuck

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by gdm426 on Oct 1, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

just so that everyone knows

Miles is behind only Vance Law in non-pitcher pitching innings over the last 40 years. he refuses to either strike out or walk batters in that time frame. also, 3.60 ERA

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

to those proficient at cooking

i bought some (a lot) of this 93% lean hamburger meat, but i have a problem. this stuff is not as greasy as the 80% lean meat that i’ve previously bought. it dries out much easier and will often be almost burned on the outside and still a little pink in the middle

how should i keep these burgers from drying out and burning on the outside before they’re done on the inside?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

lower the heat

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm already cooking it on 4

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lower it more then - try 3

also try to make them thinner
and of course you can also add some bacon grease if your pan completely dries out

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i tend to make them pretty thin

so that when they shrink up they’re roughly the same circumference as the burger buns which are, i dunno, the size of a CD

maybe i’ll try 3. i also threw some worcestershire sauce on that piece. we’ll see how it goes

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still say mix some softened butter right into the meat

before you make patties. Two advantages here.
1. Added fat to the meat.
2. What doesn’t taste better with butter.

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Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

butter in a burget though?

pj, what kind of cooking oils do you have in the house if you don’t have bacon grease on hand?

and really, if you have a lid, put it on the pan, the steam will help cook them
there will be spraying though (fat and water, you know)

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have canola or olive oil

i actually looked for a lid, but couldn’t find one

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

larger plate that fits the pan will do it too

neither of those oils is a good idea, will completely change the taste
you could add a few drops of canola, but no more than that

i am quite surprised, i buy the 93% and still looks like i have a cup of fat to drown from the pan

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's easier if you just sop it up

with a piece of bread.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dog only eats healthy,

me on the other hand….

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

and what's digger gonna do when he outlives you?

you have to take him down with you

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

this?

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Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

it so sad!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was really the only proper answer to your question.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats the futurama clip isn't it?

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by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

also

someone needs to introduce you to culvers and the wonders of a butter burger

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah Culvers

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Sep 29, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh heh

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i f'ing love that place

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

butter burgers

there’s a burger chain that is known for that

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Butter would be fine in the burger

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

you can always get I can't believe it's not butter if you are worried about caloric content

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

but if it's not butter, believve it or not,

then it’s not a butter burger?!
i’m confused

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
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by d-dee on Sep 30, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

ewww, just use a little olive oil

there is still fats but they are mostly poly/mono unsaturated and will not mess your system up

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by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always keep a big bottle of olive oil around

good stuff

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just finished a book by Arthur De Vany where he advocates

a diet aimed at simulating the diet of a hunter gatherer more closely. He disagrees with Jogging or distance running instead advocating a short series of intense movement more similar to wild animals really interesting stuff

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by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

adding fat to the meat

defeats the purpose of buying lean meat

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you didn't say you did it on purpose,

I thought you bought it on accident. You don’t want to talk to me then. I cook tasty, not healthy.

Also, is a low temperature grill at your disposal? Probably your best option.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

no low temp grill

i did throw some butter on the grill, though. if it turns out that this stuff is too hard to cook, i’ll go back to buying the stuff that makes a huge mess on my stove and tastes real good

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've always wondered how they prepare turkey burgers

they have the texture of cardboard

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think what pj is looking for is a binder

and…… that’s the extent of my knowledge.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

egg, breadcrumbs, onion, green pepper...

instant house burger.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the crazy thing is, I used to prepare these all the time

and I just can’t remember what I did

an egg white might be a good option

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

throw some butter in there....

should work…I’ve never tried it though, cause I always get the fatty stuff. Or, cook your bacon firts, then cook your burgers in the bacon grease.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

RiverRat,

i have a confession to make

how do i say this?

i’m not cooking any bacon

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're dead to me.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

well apparently not because you kept giving him all that cooking advise

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by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I cook hamburger all the time that is 93% lean.

i cook it on the grill. turns out great. they are relatively thin cause that the way my husband likes them. (not wendy’s thin but thin) the grill is on medium heat. 2 minutes a side for 8 minutes total.

Butter your bun. I don’t but hubby does.

Or use George Foreman. It’s foolproof.

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by spfldbird on Sep 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have pleasant conversations with most cardinals fans

and i won’t stay pissed at people afterward, no, but i have gotten into a shouting match over the value of rasmus with my father and how holliday is not unclutch with a sophomore that goes in my carpool to school

although im somewhat of an argumentive person i’ve been told…

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 29, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

tell him that in a year or two Rasmus will be about as good as Holliday

see how that goes over lol

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

wow, 83 comments?

VEB,

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

that was me scolding you guys

like how your mom would say just your name when you’re in trouble

i also forgot to mention that i don’t even know if the cards won or lost today

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

memphis beat the Pirates.

Peej went 7 SO, Miles with the save.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

your mom says my name but not when i'm in trouble.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 29, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Your name is "Oh shit!"?

What an odd name.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

God what are you doing here?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miles is irreplaceable...

…And Tony La Russa is a hero…

/pot stirring

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by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 29, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, you guys aren't joking

aside from colby, it was memphis today

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by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

well, Springfield too,

Miles started.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: And I'm sure it's been discussed before... But I've been wondering

I know there a VEBers that live all over the nation/world. But how many acutally originated from outside of the St. Louis area?

I grew up in “Royals Territory”, which isn’t really a territory. I’m originally from 40 minutes north of KC, but my hometown is a bit of a Cardinals oasis.

I was just curious. This seems like a nice, diverse community, even for the World Wide Web.

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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 29, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

columbia is the closest town to where i grew up that anyone here will have heard of

if you’re particularly interested: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=mexico+mo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Mexico,+MO&gl=us&ei=4eCjTJqTDsSBlAfJvvilDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBcQ8gEwAA

firmly cardinal country in mid-mo

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by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatevs

link

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by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm actually living in Columbia right now!

Just finished up schooling. I know Mexico, MO.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 29, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i lived in columbia for about 4 years

cool town

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by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU BOYS WANNA GO TO MEX EEEE COOO????

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by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, I know where Mexico, Mo is.

Try Iuka, IL. hahahahahaha

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know of Mexico, MO

Couldn’t point it out on a blank map though. Sorry…

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by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 29, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think a kid in our neighborhood got sent to military school in Mexico, Mo

i grew up in St Louis in the 60’s got to see Gibson pitch and Lou Brock steal .

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Sep 29, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah there's a military school there

barbara bush gave a speech there once

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by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Born and raised far away from STL.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

only visited STL once—for Cards game, of course.

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by gocards62 on Sep 29, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, how did you become a Cardinals fan?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 29, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a casual fan through high school,

but being from MT, there wasn’t really a home team, M’s would be the closest I guess. I went to school out there (STL) for a year and got my first taste, then moved back there a couple of years later to work. That’s when I really started following baseball, 96 or so.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missouri native in a cold, cold Iowa town

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 29, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't they all?

Which one, out of curiosity? My dad is from Storm Lake, some of his family live in the teeny tiny town of Fonda. My sister-in-law went to Loras College in Dubuque.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 29, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

About half way between Chicago and St. Louis

but on the right side of the tracks — obviously.

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by StanTheManFan on Sep 29, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was closer to Chicago but lived on the Mississippi river so I was pretty torn

good thing I liked Ozzie Smith so much as a kid

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chitown....

when’d you steal my sig?

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Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, I've had this signature since you first quoted it in a game thread

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

before you changed yours heh

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

fight!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

we could have had a thumb wrestling match at veb day

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should make sure hazel or scoot are in attendance before you two throw it down

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
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by d-dee on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I changed mine right after I quoted it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we did it at the same time

I changed mine during the game

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyways, I'm going to change it now that you have finally noticed hahah!

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so bored, and this is the internet, so I had to be right....

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 30, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't notice you changed it heh

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I grew up in the QC

but unfortunately most of the time I grew up there the team affiliate was not the cardinals

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

d-dee

check the first thread of the game thread

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

reply fail?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course not

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you would do well to do the same

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y2S there is no way I could hope to keep up with you.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaaaaah i love it!

checked before but they hadn’t posted anything yet
you can keep living!

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank goodness

i can make plans now

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

see the larussa interview?

did he call peej J.P.?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i need more liquor to deal with a TLR interview

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 29, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude my face hurts from laughing so hard at these lately

we didn’t get into the postseason but damn it if we don’t have fun till the end

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha hahaaa

“i still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv” – Chris Carpenter
aaaahahaha

orel hershiser
muahahahaha
/passout

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

...and sig

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Sep 29, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

danse macabre

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm listening to my own band right now, kinda busy editing

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yes!

My favorite Spoon album by far.

by mattisnotfrench on Sep 30, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did Ya'll Hear... Greg Giraldo died!!!

That puts a damper on just about any day. Hilarious comedian. RIP

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 29, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

No way!

What was it that got him?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same thing that's got most

comedians that died before their time.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the white lady?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 29, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

pills actually, but drugs in general.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude had 4 kids, i'm finding it very hard to be sad about his selfishness

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mourning from Krung Thep (Bangkok). Used to awaken at 2:00 A.M. to cheerfully to Cards, now join the few who linger longer on VEB when I have some time.

Try to be optimistic, but as the Red Baron so eloquently writes, truth is better than Glaus (pun). A bit worrisome that the PD points to Walters and Pagnozzi as hopeful signs for 11. What say you

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 29, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

have you ever read the PD forums?

That’s about how seriously I take some of their view points.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stopped after reading that TLR was behind the Kennedy assassination .. .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 29, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's not dead yet!

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

wonder if the 15 to 20 homer guys mo refers to

Could be stephen drew and brandon inge hopefully we could hold on to boog in any trade stick drew at second and then when/if freese comes back you have a good problem if inge is playing well

by CentralILcardsfan on Sep 29, 2010 10:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

So I'm shopping or a flask on ebay....

can someone please explain this?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Must be an Aussie.

Is that from his 40 Odd Foot of Grunts days?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know,

but the fact that there’s a market for russel crowe flasks scares the shit outta me.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be worse.

Could be a Ryan Braun flask.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to look.....

I was actually surprised when I didn’t find one.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 29, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so glad that you didn't find one.

That would almost make me rethink my drinking…..almost.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 29, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barry Bonds Balco model

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 29, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean

explain why you haven’t already purchased it?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's dumb that the playoffs starts on TBS

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

well alright, chitown

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

/out of left field

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should probably purchase that...immediately.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 30, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude's a drinker

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Sep 29, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

lol at the auto-tag of "Twins" in the playlist

Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte

by BVHeck on Sep 29, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post red baron. Thanks for taking the time .

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Sep 29, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

pandora

is wierd
it will take into acount liek the last song you liked and completely forget what you based your station on.

I have a bunch of stations on there that were like Elvis and play like Ozzy and weird things like that
cake station that plays all miles davis

by jealousblues on Sep 29, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i always thought pandora was terrible

i’m much better at picking out what music i want to listen to

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I use itunes or Last.fm way more myself
I dont go on pandora anymore because of that and the fact you cant skip too many songs (though they might have changed it all since I was last there)

by jealousblues on Sep 30, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i like to dig through my recommended bands on last.fm

and then look them up on RYM and see which ones i want to check it out. been working out for me so far

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reading Dubliners in school

It reminds me of an unfunny and depressing Family Guy episode – references coming out of it’s ass.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 30, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

remember that time when...

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

take a crack at Ulysses

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

or Finnegan's Wake

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

See I got lulled in by reading A Portrait first

but the rest of them were a bit headier

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

250,000 words

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

and it isn't the length it is the combination of Puns and inside jokes

mixed with stream of consciousness musing that makes it a tough read

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can handle tight reading

But I get really bored if it’s too long. I guess I could just space it out a few days.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 30, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Believe when I say that Ulysses is an Odyssey

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

so about like a post from the baron in the dead of winter

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 30, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red you remain one of the high points of visiting this blog

the season has been disappointing no doubt but the future remains bright at 1B, CF, LF, C, and SP. The team needs minimal retooling to be right back in the thick of it next year. The Reds aren’t going anywhere, but somehow I have my suspicions that they will not have the same kind of production from Rolen, Gomes, Cairo, and the Catchers next year. Maybe they are still right there if Chapman, Bruce, and Stubbs step up but my money is against it.

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Why thank you.

Are you still a Rockies fan or have we properly converted you over?

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 30, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

if toasters, obscure musical groups & the best stat knowledge on either side of the muddy Mississippi hasn't yet

i don’t think anything will

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the Cards have since I was a youngster

when we got the Rockies when I was 13 I switched allegiance to the home team but will always have a soft spot for the Cards of McGhee, Clark, Jefferies, Tewk, Tudor, and the Wizard. I came to this blog because of the Holliday trade and stuck around for the writing, and discussion.

 I am really happy that Holliday is doing a good job of defending my belief that the Rockies have some really good players. Holliday has continued to look like a very similar player in STL posting the second best WRC+ of his career this year, and his home road split has disappeared. I would root for the Cards against anyone but Colorado, and love the history of the franchise going back to Branch Rickey and the Gashouse Gang.

 Colorado is a fun team to watch and has a lot of exciting young talent, a beautiful park, and a GM who for the most part seems to know what he is doing, but they have no history, no roots and lack characters in the vein of Dizzy, Gibby, Brock, and Ducky.

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was totally & completely wrong about Holliday this season

totally & completely wrong

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 1, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but I have to vent

maybe nobody is still on here tonight… but how the hell do they not mention Pujols in the 10th inning extension of the ken burn’s documentary?

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Sep 30, 2010 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

burn's.... burns's... whatever

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Sep 30, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

asshats?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Sep 30, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't get into the whole "its all new york and boston" stuff that a lot of people bitch about

i don’t mind it because of the fact that there IS much history in baseball associated with those teams. However, the snub of Stan Musial in the original documentary and now the snub of Albert in this one is a serious disappointment.

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Sep 30, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

well he did grow up in New England and lives in conneticut now

so just like anyone he has his blind spots. In his interview it seems he is really obsessed with race and views the steroid issue through that scope

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

well i gotta go to bed

i understand what you are saying and yes, the race issue is very prevalent in baseball. However, in the Civil War documentary he didn’t forget to mention Lincon’s assassination at the end (disclaimer: thats a terrible analogy but im too tired to come up with anything else)

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Sep 30, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry... prevalent =pertinent

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Sep 30, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the interview I had heard with him on the Adam Carrolla Podcast said that the 10th inning

was supposed to be basically the rise and fall of Bonds and in that microcosm a story of all of baseball

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

so how do you not include pujols as the "sun rising" or whatever

how do you not include the greatest right handed hitter potentially ever in the redemption aspect of the depressing bonds story? give me a fucking break

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Sep 30, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

burns is a fucking hack who did the same to Stan

fuck him

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i just cannot get over this

its such a damn disappointment

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Sep 30, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

once a hack, always a hack

dude is just as bad as the WWL & Fox. i don’t know why everyone sucks his balls & says he’s such an amazing documentarian. he’s done two of these things now & left out two of the greatest men who ever walked on a diamond. in my book if you do that, you sir are not an amazing documentarian who deserves to have his balls sucked.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well, there is a second part,

so I won’t write it off just yet.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 30, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

wrong way around but I can see it

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like wilco, saw them with Goverment mule a few years back

their collaboration with Billy Bragg “Mermaid Avenue” was awesome

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just can't get into them

I know RB and Alex and others here love them, but I’ve listened to like 30 of their songs now and my favorite has been a cover of a Replacements songs.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 30, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like approximately half the Wilco catalogue.

Summerteeth and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot were aMAzing, Ghost is Born sucked ass, Sky Blue Sky was half brilliant and half crappy noodling and bad lyrics. I haven’t really listened to their last record enough to have formed a properly cogent opinion.

Jeff Tweedy is one of the most uneven artists in music. That’s why I think Uncle Tupelo was so consistently outstanding: Tweedy is brilliant but all over the place, while Jay Farrar is sort of a plodding, professional artist who is longer on work ethic and passion than he is on actual talent and inspiration. Combine the two and you have an ideal partnership.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 30, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mermaid Avenue

was really, really good.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Sep 30, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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