The Pittsburgh Pirates and 2011
by DanUpBaby on Sep 28, 2010 6:01 AM EDT
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PrintI have nothing interesting to say about a game in which Matt Pagnozzi goes 3-4 and Dennys Reyes picks up the win, nothing at all, so I feel kind of relieved that I planned even beforehand on using this space to talk about the Pittsburgh Pirates, who are edging extremely slowly toward relevance.
They did a fine job of setting it up for me: Andrew McCutchen was 2-4, Jose Tabata 2-5, Neil Walker drove in a run, Pedro Alvarez beat the stuffing out of Kyle Lohse.
McCutchen is the veteran of the group, having played 255 Major League games, and there's not much to dislike about him, although the PBP metrics are not fans of his defense at all. He gets on base; he hits for more power than you'd think, given his size and the "type" of speedy center fielder into which he's sorted; he's stolen 54 bases in 69 tries, so that speed, which really is remarkable, is being put to offensive use. He's a fine starter now, but at 23 I can see him continuing to develop from here.
Pedro Alvarez is probably not a third baseman, but he's got 35 doubles and 27 home runs across two levels this season, so I don't think the Pirates are particularly concerned about that. (The decision to push him to first would have been a lot easier if Andy LaRoche hadn't gone from Dodgers Superprospect to Pirates suspect quite so abruptly; that wrist injury took a lot out of the guy who hit .285/.372/.517 across the minor leagues.)
From there things get murkier; like LaRoche, the other two useful kids in the Pirates lineup, Tabata and Neil Walker, came into this season—and leave it—with a lot of things unclear and uncertain. Things have broken in the Pirates' direction with them this year, but I couldn't begin to tell you what that means for 2011.
Walker spent three or four years, starting in 2004, as the Pirates' top prospect by default, and they did their Pirates best to mess things up. Originally an offensive-minded catcher, the Pirates sent him hurtling through the system even though he'd done little to prove his offensive or defensive readiness—a .301/.332/.452 jaunt in the Sally League was enough to send him to the high-A Carolina League at 20, where his .284/.345/.409 line got him briefly promoted to AA.
That 5-32 stint in AA was enough for him to spend the entire season there at 21, in 2007—as he was being made to learn third base. So by the time he made his AAA debut, in 2008, he was a poor defensive third baseman who, even as a top prospect, had never hit all that well for a third baseman. After his .242/.280/.414 year there I'd pretty much written him off.
But he's had an extraordinary 2010, without me realizing it—the Pirates in their infinite wisdom decided that the solution to Walker's slow-onset irrelevance was to move him further up the defensive spectrum, to second base. And he responded by killing the ball for 43 games in AAA, getting called up in late May, and then continuing to hit better than he had at any minor league stop in his career. At the moment he's like Skip Schumaker with power; he probably isn't a second baseman, but he hits well enough to stand there.
Walker was always a top prospect and never given time to put up top prospect numbers, so it's plausible that he's actually this kind of player now. But it's hard to overstate how out of place this season looks among his career numbers.
Jose Tabata's story is less depressingly Pittsburgh Pirates and more bizarre. Nobody's quite sure if Jose Tabata is 21, and he is the kind of player for which that is extremely important. His skills include being fast, but not extremely fast; hitting for a high average, but not an especially high average; and being young for his level, which allows us to assume that the average or the speed or what might charitably be described as doubles power will grow as he does. He is exceptional at being young and adequate.
Nobody's quite sure if Jose Tabata is 21 because the Pirates have said they have reasons to doubt his age, but not necessarily that they doubt his age, which is an odd way of dealing with the question. In fact, Neal Huntington has been incredibly sanguine about the prospect of Tabata being 25, and I have no idea why; he's exactly the kind of prospect who is no longer a prospect when the whiteout rubs off of his birth certificate. If it had come out that Albert Pujols was 25 after 2001, he's already Albert Pujols; right now Tabata is a third-and-a-half outfielder who might eventually become Jose Tabata. So that aroused some suspicion.
Oh, and there's also the thing about his wife, who is 45, getting herself in the news by abducting a baby and telling our intrepid prospect that said baby, two months old at the time, was his. Apparently she had given birth off-screen. (That Tabata believed that this two-month-old he'd never seen was his daughter is perhaps the best evidence we have that he's 21.)
If the Cincinnati Reds have become the new trendy contender of choice, usurping the Rays, the Pirates are maybe two years into that particular five-year plan, and unlikely to complete it as early as Stalin liked. They've got some players who appear to have a good shot at becoming above average and cheap, and in Alvarez and McCutchen they've got two shots at developing a bona fide star.
What they need now, before they complete the Jocketty plan by acquiring a bunch of inexplicably over-achieving thirtysomethings, is depth—the Pirates are, even at their best, an injury away from replacement level at almost every position. In a few places they're there already.
They're not ready to compete with the Cardinals unless something has gone terribly wrong, but as far as 101-loss teams go they're kind of exciting.
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i actually like the Pirates lineup
both for actual production and potential production (Garrett Jones for one)…. their pitching staff on the other hand leaves a lot to be desired (Maholm and Duke are both terrible)…
when did the Pirates get James McDonald?
Pirates fleeced the Dodgers
to get McDonald and OF prospect Andrew Lambo for six weeks of Octavio Dotel.
Agreed
And that’s a deal that very few people even talked about, yet might be the best deal made all season.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
So "Don't Ask" Dotel lives up to his nickname?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Positively.
They also won the trade with Atlanta in 2009 purely be dumping McClouth’s awful contract and getting anything in return, lol.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This is, by far, Bobby Cox's best managing year, and I'll give him the credit for this team.
They don’t have a single hitter with a .900 OPS or better, their pitching staff is good but not great, and they have 3 regulars with OPS’s below .700 and are still in playoff contention.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
But, McClouth won a Gold Glove! In center field!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'll say
mcdonald has a 3.22 FIP and Dotel… well he’s an above average reliever, but still not worth however many years of mcdonald they get
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 28, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Lambo too
His stock dropped off a cliff with his 50 game suspension, but he’s 21 years old in AA and could be a solid .280/.340/.460 corner outfielder with good defense in the big leagues. I think his power potential is pretty good, considering he was just a throw in player in that deal.
Plus, he’s got an awesome name.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
can we ban clown-mime-cadavers at Busch?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Isn't that a little harsh
in describing Aaron Miles, Randy Winn, Jeff Suppan and Nick Stavinoha?
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 28, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
anyone who watched the game
knows what I mean
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it was a commercial for Body Worlds, wasn't it?
you should go see that, it’s quite fascinating
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
is that coming back?
and yes, went to see it after missing it in Chicago.
these guys looked like they just felt like going cadaver today.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
even if they were protesting the cardinals' dead season
come on. and they were mime-ing things too. gah.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
go for it
in VEB, nobody can hear you scream
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
the mimery was the most disturbing part
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
heh
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Tabata story is just bizarre.
Sounds like she is either crazy or some sort of con artist taking advantage of a young naive guy. Or both.
It’s nice to see a team like the Pirates lay a possible foundation for future success. In a few years if they keep putting it together it will not be so heartwarming, since the prospect of direct competition with the Cardinals puts a pretty big damper on my enthusiasm for other teams (see Reds, Cincinnati).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
This was probably talked about in the game thread...
…if anyone was watching the FSN-Pitt feed. I have to because, well I live in western PA and mlb won’t let me watch FSN-Midwest when the Cards play the Bucs.
We all know those guys are mor(a)ns. That being Neverett, Brown and Wehner. But last night they were talking about how the Bucs had the Cards beat at every position this year minus 1st and LF. They continued on saying the Pirates had two ‘true’ outfielders in Tabata and McCutchen while the Cards only counter with Holliday. They made no mention of Rasmus and certainly no mention of defensive metrics. Then they went position by position, taking Walker over Schu (who I agree with) and they said you certainly would want Cedeno over Ryan at SS. Really? They used Descalso as Alverez’ comp, which seemed a bit short-sighted and failed to mention Yadi behind the plate.
I got irritated later when they ripped Craig and his .245 average hitting 2nd. Apparently research is not their forte. One of them said with that average he should be hitting 9th, “he’s not a guy who should be hitting in front of Pujols” type comments. Argh.
I hate the Pirates’ broadcast. Al would fit right in.
minor edit
I think it was just Brown and Walk in the booth last night. I think they alternate tv/radio.
that sounds more like the level of research that Jay Randolph puts in before a game.
He called David Eckstein a SS who occasionally played 2nd base.
But as far as stupidity level, yes Al would be a good comparison. I guess they forgot that with that talented team, they’ve lost 101 games already.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
I hope they don't let Soup pitch to Alvarez tonight
that dude was hitting crazy lasers past the bleachers during BP yesterday
every other hit was in the seats, one actually hit me in the bleachers (but some dumb kid snatched it on after it bounced off me)
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I think they'll move him to first base
and I think he’s a 30 HR guy in the very near future. He’ll be a 3TO player for them for the foreseeable future. They really, really needed LaRoche to work out — they have nobody else at the corner infield in their entire farm system, unless Neil Walker is truly that good with the bat and can move over there. Then they could play D’Arnaud at 2B at some point next year and go with a lot of speedy on-base guys sandwiched around Tabata and Alvarez in the middle of the lineup.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
walker
was a 3B in the minors, and has slightly better total zone numbers than pedro at 3B (minors). neil could be the cost effective placeholder for rendon, figuring they pick him #1.
by ball in play on Sep 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a really good point.
I knew he played there in the minors, but why did they move him to second base (where he’s a terrible defender) if they thought he could hit enough at 3B? It was an aforementioned conclusion that Alvarez would end up at 1B sooner rather than later, as he’s not much better than a butcher at third.
Agreed on Rendon, and I think they will end up taking him first overall.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
where does garrett jones fit in?
2.7 WAR player last year (.274 ISO!!)… this year he has come back to Earth however…. i guess jones is more this year’s player than last years?
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 28, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you answered your own question...lol
I just don’t think Jones is a major league regular. Last year strikes me as a huge aberration: His walk rate was 11.2% and his ISO was .274 — he never even sniffed those numbers in the minor leagues.
If you look at his counting stats, he looks like he could be a 3TO guy in a corner OF spot (20 HR, 83 RBI), but if you look at his rate stats, (.316 wOBA, .309 OBP, .413 SLG!!) he looks like a poor man’s Mark Hamilton. I have no doubt that Mark Hamilton could hit 20 homers in 700 major league PA’s, and he’s probably going to walk more than Jones is.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
f'in kids
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Sep 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Pirates were to stay in the race late in the season, would they outdraw the Reds attendance this year?
2010- RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT 21 Cincinnati 75 1,903,483 25,379 60.3 27 Pittsburgh 81 1,613,399 19,918 51.9
Yeah, probably by a whole lot.
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Sep 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
I wonder how sales are for tonight
For the first time in 15 years, the Reds have a chance to clinch a playoff berth. Will they break 20,000?
Perhaps
one of the Reds could take a page out of the David Price tweetbook and motivate the Cincinnatians to show up.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Looks like the Rays are having the same problem
When 12,446 fans showed up Monday night to see if the AL East-leading Tampa Bay Rays could clinch their second playoff berth in three years, Evan Longoria decided he’d seen enough empty seats — and said something about it.
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Sep 28, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I kind of admire Price and Longoria for speaking frankly on the subject
I imagine a lot of the problem is that football has started, and they play in Florida. I mean, football does kind of start up every year right around the same time as the playoff race goes into its final stages.
Also I’ve heard here and there that their stadium is less than awesome.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
They need to move that team.
Possible destinations:
Charlotte/Raleigh-Durham — Would totally support a major league team, and they have a stadium that’s much nicer than where they play now that could be converted for baseball pretty easily. How does North Carolina NOT have a major league baseball franchise?
Portland — You’d need a retractable roof stadium there, but if Paul Allen would step up and buy the franchise, he could build a privately financed stadium, and they have no football team. As well as the TrailBlazers do in terms of attendance in a mid-market, I’d imagine that baseball would play pretty well there.
Sacramento — The A’s have talked about moving to San Jose, so that would impact a franchise here considerably, but the Sacramento market led the nation in minor league games attended the last three years. They could easily support a baseball franchise.
Indianapolis — Could easily support a major franchise, but the stadium is going to be a real issue after public funding for basketball and football stadiums in the last decade.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Also, Portland just lost their AAA team,
over stadium issues. The city decided to go with MLS, IIRC.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
MLS is probably better for them than minor league baseball...
Seattle has pretty good attendance for baseball even when they’re bad. Like I said, a retractable roof stadium would be needed as it rains a lot there in the summer.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
linki
And how awesome is it that the mayor of Portland is named Sam Adams?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He's a terrible mayor.
No politics talk, though!
After 5 years of living in Portland I am convinced we will never in a million years have MLB in this town. Five reasons:
1) The city would rather have MLS than MLB. They recently let the AAA team (Padres) leave so the stadium could be renovated to be soccer-only. I understand why, too, since the minor-league soccer team outdrew the AAA team.
2) The weather. You’d HAVE to have a retractable-roof stadium which would cost a fortune, which leads me to my next point…
3) The city and its people are completely unwilling to finance a stadium. This is due to the go-local anti-corporate stance that seems to be the dominant philosophy of the city’s residents (again, not trying to be political, but this is one of the major reasons why we won’t get MLB here). People refuse to support using taxpayer money to finance a stadium, particularly when the state is as deep in debt as it is.
4) The Mariners consider Portland their territory and guard it jealously. They have stated they will attempt to block any effort to put a MLB team in Portland. The Ms really aren’t all that big here, though they would be if they went on a playoff run. They’ll never truly be Portland’s team just due to our friendly rivalry with Seattle. And really, I believe there are more Red Sox fans here than there are Mariners fans, though how many of them are bandwagon fans is hard to discern. I’ve met A LOT of New Englanders. This brings me to my 5th point:
5) Though there are myriad baseball fans in this town, they’re all from somewhere else and aren’t likely to ditch their teams. I see tons of Red Sox, Cubs, Giants, Dodgers, Mariners and Cardinals hats here. And lots of Reds hats too, though I suspect that’s due to something hip-hop related. I really doubt people will ditch their own teams.
That is why there will never be MLB in this town. Sad, too, since I would absolutely love it. At least we have the Blazers.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 28, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They may not "ditch" their teams...
but would probably be uber-pumped to see their teams playing in their hometown. I think you’d be surprised how many fans would come around to supporting their “home-town” team; especially if it were a quality franchise like the Rays.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
This all kind of gels with my impression of Portland, where my wife is from.
And it’s very sad, since I would love for Portland to have a team too.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Portland getting a team would only happen if someone like Paul Allen or Bill Gates wanted to finance the entire thing himself.
Team, stadium, marketing, etc.
I don’t think it would happen, but I think that baseball in Portland (especially an AL team that would compete with the A’s, M’s, and Angels, moving Texas into the AL Central and Cleveland into the AL East, probably) would be better than baseball in Toronto, or Montreal, or Tampa, or even Arizona….yet all those towns have had teams and had shitty attendance.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Also, I hate the assertion that people who wear the hats of other teams when there isn't a local team
won’t support the local team if one suddenly appears. Why does anyone go to Diamondback games? Why do people in Oklahoma City support the Thunder? There was a large contingent of Cardinal fans in Colorado….until the Rockies showed up, and now the Rockies have their own fan base.
If you market your team properly and have a little bit of success, people will adopt the local team at some point because its the local team.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I believe LB posted a nice wide-angle shot of Coors for Cards vs. Rockies a few seasons back,
and the stadium looked to be about half-filled with folks wearing red. I don’t know if this trend has continued as the Rockies have aged and experienced some level of success, but there was still a large contingent of Cardinal fans in Colorado.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes, but there are a lot of fans that would have been Cardinal fans
that are now fans of the Rockies.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Agreed...
But there’s a difference between distant regionalism and people holding onto the teams from where they moved. Like 75% of the young people in this town (and this is a very young town) came from somewhere else at some point. They still hold onto their own teams. I think that’s a hurdle to an actual pro baseball team catching hold here. Any team that moves here would be wise to try and move into the suburbs somewhere where this effect is less apparent.
The much bigger hurdle is the cost of a stadium when the state is beyond broke.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 28, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Stamford Connecticut
Perfect scenario – East Coast for the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry and at the same time attack both of their geographic stronghold! Corporate sponsorship out the wazzooo as well…
Didn't they recently get the go-ahead for a new stadium?
If so, they will be in Tampa for 20 years.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The Marlins got funding.
I thought the Rays were getting that sailboat-looking stadium?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Aren't the local govt's trying to get
some of that money back since the Marlins financials were leaked?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I think some of the politicians were chirping about it.
I don’t know if there is anything behind the hot air.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Are they setting it up on the port or starboard side of the Buccaneer ship?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
how do the cardinals draw millions more than these small market teams every year
and only have a 90m payroll? i realize it’s no so simple as “people show up, so moar payroll”
but still, are those other clubs running a deficit? profit sharing? stadium payments?
doesn’t smell right
by YesWeOquendo on Sep 28, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I've often wondered if St. Louis could support another team again.
I mean, I’d think there are thousands of people who would love to go to a cheaper version of a Cardinals game. And it could be some crappy AL team relocating, so they wouldn’t be good enough to really “compete” with the Cardinals for years. I’m not sure which team. I would hope that, whichever team, they’d have the good sense to revive the Browns. Actually, the St. Louis Wolves would be pretty awesome too, for culture and all.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i'd be down for a more local minor leage team
The South County Suburbanites! Lets go burbs!
by YesWeOquendo on Sep 28, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The South City Frozen Custards-
They really are good guys… and gals!
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Sep 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Browns moved to Baltimore in 1954 and became the Orioles .
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Sep 28, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I am well aware of that
I just mean that I think it would cool to bring back the name Browns. Kinda like Cleveland did (they’re not the original football Browns, right?)
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i believe they were . Named for Paul Brown
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Sep 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the original Cleveland Browns moved somewhere else and took a different name
and the current ones were a different “new” Cleveland Browns.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Here we go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns
The original Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens, and then the NFL “rebooted” the Browns, in Cleveland, a few years later.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
There's no way that MLB would put another franchise in St. Louis, and Dewitt and Co. would nix any potential deal
Now, I think a team could move to the Memphis/Knoxville market and make a killing while impacting the Cardinal franchise considerably in terms of television viewers and minor league affiliate revenue.
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Of course, it's only a fun thought rather than a realistic one.
No way in hell the Cardinals would allow it to happen. They’re kings here and they aren’t going to let that be threatened.
It is weird to me how little professional baseball there is in what I think of as the “South”. I think of both Florida and Texas as kind of their own thing. So that basically leaves the Braves. I do think of Memphis and Knoxville as the South, but maybe a true Southerner will correct me on that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Is a Kentuckian a true Southerner?
I’ve lived in Nashville and Memphis for the last 30 years. Definitely both are in the South, and I would consider Memphis a traditional deep South city; Nashville more of a progressive new-South city. Knoxville would probably be considered Southern also, though not as much heritage/history.
I doubt Memphis could support an MLB team, too much competition from Grizzlies, U of M and not enough disposable income. Plus, being a Cardinals stronghold would make it difficult.
MLB might have been able to really make inroads in Nashville before NFL and NHL came along. A growing progressive area with sufficient surrounding population and income, and a capital city.
Knoxville?? No way. Not enough population/income, and UT rules the limited disposable income/attention.
I want more... More baaaacon!
Jim Gaffigan
by blueinmemphis on Sep 28, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont forget that until a few years ago
KMOX was the voice of the Cardinals and that signal made fans in every state bordering
Missouri and beyond . Fans from all over the area come to games and raise up kids to be Cardinal fans . I can’t think of another team that had that foundation for all so many years.
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Sep 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
St. Louis
was also the southernmost and westernmost team in the entire country until the mid-50’s, so you still have a lot of Cardinal fans in Texas, Colorado, and other midwest/mountain states.
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Plus, they had a minor league team damn near everywhere.
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Sep 28, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup and in states with no major league teams
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Sep 28, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
map colors: still wtf.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Good gravy
Also, there was once a team called the Shelby Cardinals. It’s fate!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
can anyone explain the map colors?
bizarre. i mean, notice how Louisiana is peeling off.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that annoys me so much, I may pull out a google map and correct it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think the red states are just ones where the Cards had at least one farm team
And blue is where they didn’t. (No lol-itics!)
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think someone was mulling when they did this.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
except Missouri is blue for some reason
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was what you said too, and they just didn't
color Missouri because it’s their home state (not that that would make a lot of sense…). But riftraftredbird pointed out South Carolina should also be red. Maybe someone was just really sloppy.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That's gotta be it
If there is one thing we here on VEB will not tolerate, it is lazy cartography!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
south carolina stubbornly refuses to join cardinal nation colors
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Sep 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i blame john c. calhoun and his secessionist ways.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Sep 28, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is the deal with Bloomington, by the way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There are stories of the Dodgers playing the Cardinals, right after the move to L.A.,
and the stadium being full of Cards fans.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
because of the historic franchise
2nd in world series championships only to the Yankees (so I guess we’re the poor man’s Yanks)
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the Cardinals have a much higher payroll than these teams
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I found this
to be particularly funny, yet sad. It’s a picture of a Marlins-Nationals game.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Steve has all sorts of souvenirs.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh is that in FL?
I wonder if the team helps him carry the souvenirs to his car after the game
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
wouldn't it be crazy if we won the rest of our games and the reds lost the rest of theirs...
would we open game 1 of the nlds with pagnozzi catching and descalso playing 3B? who would our rotation be? would they let jaime pitch? what about ADAM?
obviously not going to happen. just dreaming about scenarios to help me forget what a wasted season this was.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
try vodka.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
In a playoff situation you have to go with your trusty veterans instead of being unfair to the young guys.
Feliz would start at third. He’s better than Miles, after all.
Pags would still start at catcher though, because he has such great poise. And he has like, a batting average right around one billion right now!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
with Adam sleeping on his elbow, I really don't want that to happen
motocross injury vs. years of A.D.A.M. … I choose the one they call Waino.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Cards Diaspora confirms Waino's life changed by BBQ
ESPN Magazine
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Nice, thanks
I’ll try the rub. spritzing it every half hour is probably a bit silly, but not too hard if you’re sitting next to the smoker drinking beer.
His spritz is all wrong....
I go evry hour, and use a mixture of apple juice or cider, and bourbon.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yes -- I use a 70/30 mix of cider and bourbon
I don’t like the acidity and tart flavor that the vinegar gives the meat. I want the hot (from the rub), sweet (from the brown sugar and apple juice), and smoky flavor on the meat. If I want to add a tartness, I’ll supply some Carolina style red BBQ sauce or serve them with some hot slaw.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I usually add just a bit of vinegar when I
foil them. I do use a pretty good amount of a vinegar finishing sauce on my pulled pork though. It seems to pull all of the flavors together.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I agree on the pulled pork
I just don’t like that flavor on ribs, I’d rather have it applied with the sauce. I guess if you glaze your ribs with sauce before serving them it’s kinda the same thing, but I prefer to offer two or three different sauces and let people choose. I tend to like things a little spicier and smokier than the other people who BBQ and tailgate with me.
I add some apple cider vinegar when I brine them as I think it helps to soften the meat and helps it retain moisture when smoking, but I use very little.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If your rub is worth a crap, you don't need sauce. (Let the great VEB Sauced vs Dry ribs debate begin...lol)
A pork butt is a much gamier part of the hog, and the vinegar tames that down.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I would agree
I generally don’t use sauce at all, but I feel it necessary to provide it when I’m tailgating as to not be a snob to illiterate jackasses who put ketchup on their scrambled eggs and hash browns.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yes...I make sauces as well, cause that what people want.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
So, Mike Emerson = Pappy?
I wonder if Waino is teaching Mike his curve in return.
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Sep 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you realize?
The Cards have won 4 of the last 5 games. The first time since the sweep in cincy. A strong run to the finish. sheesh.
I sure hope that the FO fixes whatever is wrong.
Ok, back to Smoked ribs. Let’s talk about something really important.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
See, you start playing the kids and things start going better....
#correlationisnotcausation
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
the resurgence of teams like Cubs and Pirates is evidence of a sort.
Oh and for the Cubs they also got a new manager. hint. hint.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
Hey, if we could have beaten the Cubs, Pirates, Nationals, etc
in August, we’d be in a division race. We didn’t, and we’re not.
We’re around .600 against team with winning records in the second half.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
April?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that can't be right
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me why Pagnozzi is so hated?
i’ve only seen him play these last few games and he doesn’t look so bad to me .
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Sep 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
If you've only seen him in the last few games, the hate wouldn't make sense to you.
If, however, you’ve seen him in person for two straight seasons in AAA, along with looking at his rate stats in the minor leagues , you’d kinda wonder why Michael Jordan isn’t being brought in to play baseball for the Cardinals too. Because Michael Jordan’s career baseball numbers look very similar to Matt Pagnozzi’s in the minor leagues.
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pagnozzi for the last two years at memphis
2009 86 games .221/.299./.308/.608
2010 68 games .242/.338/.309/.647
Now he comes to St. Louis and bats .300 with an OPS over .900. It won’t last, but…
Is this enough to make him the back up catcher next year?
Y2S keeps saying he is well liked in the clubhouse, especially by the pitching staff.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
3 WP, 6 SB and 0 CS in 9 games
They won’t like him for long at that rate.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
If so, I really hope we deal Anderson for something useful before he turns 25 and is worthless
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would be the smart thing to do
so of course Mo won’t do that
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
wow got it. could it be that he's coming around and will shine at the major league level ?
i know this is quite unlikely but what if he keeps improving would it be so bad to have him as the back up catcher ? How many games would he play if Yadi ’s health is good ? 25?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Sep 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He's like 27. He's pretty maxed out as far as improving goes
Bryan Anderson is 23, and has hit well at every level. Yet, Pagnozzi keeps playing over him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
because he was horrible in the minors and people think he may be getting preferential treatment
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think this.
No other organization would allow a player who can’t OPS above .650 anything other than an emergency start at catcher. We have a better minor-league catcher on the roster and Pagnozzi plays. I am sure that his last name has nothing to do with this situation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 28, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah
what was I thinking
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Holliday has had some bizarre/hilarious faces this season
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
OT - Poor choice of headlines
Link to USA Today’s Denver Broncos team page. Check out the placement of the headline with the photos from McKinley’s funeral.
Wow!!
isn’t even close…
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
shooting at UT library
and to think, if my GPA were a bit higher a couple semesters ago, i might have been there
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
or conversely, if you had spent more time in the library,
your GPA may have been higher.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
But he might also be dead right now after getting shot at the library
Who studies at the library anymore anyway? That’s what Google/Kindle/iPad is for…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
to check out the other people at the library, of course...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
But the girls worth looking at aren't at the library,
unless you have a local club called the library that has nothing to do with books.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I do have odd tastes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Vegas has this
covered. SFW
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Where are you going?
The Library…
What are you studying at the library?
Anatomy….
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
there actually is a bar in austin called the library
not on campus, though
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Ah, but...
…if you find a girl worth looking at at the library…
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 28, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if i'm on campus and need a quiet place to study
it’s the library. not for the resources, just for the place to sit and read in quiet
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
No one injured, says CNN
Except, of course, the gunman who shot himself.
…
Was he shooting at books?
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Surprising (to me) stats
Cardinals have 5 rookies to have gotten 3 hits in a game this year.
RBIs with 2 outs: Holliday 50, Albert 42
Hmmmm
I wonder how much that stat has to do with having Albert Pujols on base in front of you with two outs…
How many times have the first and second hitters made outs, Pujols reaches on a double or a walk, and Holliday drives him in?
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don't have double-situatnal splits for it
but B-R lists “times driven in by” on the game logs page (for some reason).
interestingly enough, H drove Jay in more times this year (18) than Pujols (15).
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
there is no effin way that FSM is worth this kind of money
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
congratulations, Rick Horton is your announcer
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'll take him over Al Hrabosky at this point.
Horton says plenty of things that are just dead wrong, but every once in a while he say something that is kinda smart. A few games ago he talked about how he never left the Allen Craig bandwagon, even though apparently he was the only person in it.
Now, it’s dumb because educated fans know that it would be silly to give up on Allen Craig and they have been riding said wagon for literally years now. But in his own roundabout way he was trying to say that Craig has potential even if lots of people don’t know that (again, us “stats geeks and twitter bloggy types” have known all along but I can only ask so much of a TV guy at this point).
Maybe I’ve just had so much exposure to Dan n’ Al that I would take anybody over them just for a break…
Not Randolph though.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
he's too much of a smarmy bastard
I don’t care if he’s right — I can’t listen to 9+ innings of that.
and jebus, he’s bitter about EVERYTHING. then denies it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
His tone doesn't seem to bother me as much as it bothers most people around here.
Again, maybe I’d end up hating him in a year just like I hate Dan-n-Al.
Can’t Shannon and Rooney just do TV and Radio? Is that too much to ask?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Why can't we have announcers that just announce the game?
Why do we need all this analyzing from talking parrots? If they knew shit about shit, they’d be on the field or in the dugout in some capacity instead of talking into a microphone.
This is why I like listening to Bob Uecker, Shannon, Jack Buck, Chick Hearn, etc. They don’t analyze, they just describe the game.
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In radio,
you have to describe what is happening. In TV, you don’t. It’s so frustrating to have eight or ten pitches go by where the commentators are just blabbing on and on, ignoring the game being played.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Danny Mac is actually quite consistent in this area
the number of Cards highlights where he interrupts Al’s rambles is impressive
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jack Buck announced games on TV just like he did on the radio
As did Vin Scully, when he did TV in the past. So did Curt Gowdy, Mel Allen, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, etc. They didn’t change anything. You can’t see everything that’s going on just from the television feed. The other thing they did was when things didn’t NEED description, they didn’t just babble on incessantly — they shut the fuck up and let you experience it.
If Dan & Al had called Big Mac’s 60th homer instead of Jack, we would have been given an entire diatribe about how he HIT THE FUCKING THING rather than just making a call and then letting the pictures do the rest of the work.
Joe Buck is the best at this, and it’s because he’s a chip off the old block. McCarver is tolerable when he’s working with Joe, and intolerable when he’s working with other people because Joe is able to get him to STFU and let us enjoy the good moments of the game for ourselves.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I really like Joe Buck too
Wouldn’t mind it if he did more local stuff but alas, once his Slama Lama Ding Dong franchise took off he got too big for little ole St. Louie…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I agree.
I wish that more people called TV games the way the radio greats did when the networks tapped them to call the televised playoff games. Unfortunately, I think Madden ruined this for every sport.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I find Shannon to be very irritating
He will babble on for a long time and you have no idea what is going on in the game. It works if you turn the sound down on the tv so you don’t have to hear Al, but I feel sorry for the folks that are just listening to the game and trying to follow the action on the field.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
Shannon was best when he was with Jack
because he could just be colorful.
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I would also take Rick over Al in a heartbeat.
he says dumb things, but I have also heard smart things from him. More after the game than during the game to be sure. I have not noticed the bitterness.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
bonus WCBW comment as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't have the slightest idea what he's trying to say
I’m honestly not even sure where to begin guessing. There’s a secret deal already in place to send Pujols to the Rangers…? The Rangers are moving…? A-Rod is really the Lindbergh baby?
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The man (or whatever it is... alien? Some sort of mad god? Perhaps a mystery of nature like entropy or dark matter?)
truly is amazing.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 28, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a riddle inside of a conundrum inside of a dilemma
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That's really the beauty of it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
If you haven't noticed
about 40% of his posts are redacted. Considering the amount of conspiracy theories he’s talking about all the time, there may be a reason why he has to self-redact his posts with ellipses.
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a mad god puts forth plenty of disinformation
you just have to parse out the truth
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it really is good guys
http://pikchur.com/yzl
and gals
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Adam Wainwright had an MRI on his elbow because he slept on it wrong.
Yeah I’m gonna believe that shit.
I’m tired of this. I’m renaming this team the Cardiac Cards cause they are killing me.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
what do you mean, "rename"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what the hey!
this guy “Dan Moore” claims the Cards are cursed forever
what in the world…!??
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The phrase "hanging by a Mulder" is perfect
Hanging by a Mulder is kind of like when you find yourself almost falling into a pit of molten lava, and only a tenuous thread or branch is keeping you alive while you grab it with every ounce of strength you have left. The problem is that there is an entire pack of ravenous lions waiting to devour you as soon as you climb to the top, and you kinda know it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
but why "forever"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Third Base!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
dammit, we are inching ever closer to cubs territory!
noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome highlight (or lowlight) from last night's Marlins game
A groundball goes through both Sanchez’ and Uggla’s legs.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 28, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
Rotoworld's just full of shitty news today
Coming on the heels of the Wainwright MRI post is news that Pagnozzi is hoping to be the Cards’ backup catcher next year. It doesn’t say anything about what the Cards actually think of that, but still…
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
via fsm
"(Hitting coach Mark McGwire’s) first introduction to him was this spring and the way he went about his work and his basic stroke, he said ‘this guy can be a tough out’," said manager Tony La Russa. "And so far since he’s come back to us and got some playing time, his hits have been big hits, like yesterday and again today. We probably don’t win either game without his contribution offensively."
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
someone needs to clue TLR that a tough out is still an out.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
a "tough out" here means wearing a manly looking grimace when you ground out weakly to short.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
mac is the definition
of a hyperventilating prospect geek. he says pretty much the same thing about every rookie
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Hummel has made rumblings about this on FSM
TLR has a lot of good things to say about Pagnozzi. The trial ballon is being floated, if you will.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I'd be shocked if Pags is not the backup next year
Unless TLR isn’t back, in which case I would be shocked if Pags is the backup next year. There will no doubt be statements about how Anderson needs to get more ABs at AAA or playing time everyday or something of that sort.
Pags has nothing left to prove in the minors after all.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Except that he can hit...
:=8/
Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 28, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, he's proven he
can’t hit in the minors. The hope is that he can be a “tough out” in the majors.
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by fourstick on Sep 28, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think that's what the cow meant.
I be he intended to type “can’t”. Everyone makes…moostakes.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
See I did it too!
I bet he…
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
I expect the organization
to contract a free agent backup catcher as they’ve done for the past 5 years or so (Larue, Bennet, Diaz)
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Scott Rovak (camera genius)
pics from the 2006 WS
smile people, smiiiile
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
by d-dee on Sep 28, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
now i feel embittered and cheated.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i have been working on a fanpost
that will make you smile
needs another week of work
should be done when season is over
if it doesn’t make you smile, i owe you a beer
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
oh, kick my ass
so i can finish the stalker fanpost. people keep taking the basement, is the problem.
the photoshop is going to be hard.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no, but if I really dig through it, it's possible gdm is at fault.
I have to figure it out some more.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I doubt anyone would be
stupid crazy enough to do this. it serves pretty much no purpose.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Heh....the seasons been over for a couple of weeks now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
calendar season
that reminds me — Ozzie Ordinary Time will begin in a few days.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I miss those guys... and that part of the recent past.
Gritty Proven Veteran
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 28, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are wonderful.
Thank you for the link.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
fin
- B_Walton #stlcards announce Adam Wainwright’s 2010 season is “likely concluded” due to right forearm muscle strain. 2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
- CardsInsider Wainwright will skip his next start due to a right forearm strain and his 2010 season is likely concluded #stlcards 3 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so is right forearm strain still code for
we’re fucked?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
don't you go there
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
- Roger Hensley stlhensley Cards now say Wainwright has right forearm muscle strain. This after it was reported he’s having elbow problems. #suspicious 3 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This is terrifying.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I blame the cadaver mimes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah all this news about elbows/forearms bodes poorly for....
“offseason surgery” or something of the like
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Don't worry, theyll wait till April or May to cut him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Well hopefully we can bring back Wellemeyer to replace him...
2011 Rotation
Carp
Garcia
Wellemeyer
Suppan
Miles
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I'll do what I usually do whenever the Cards medical staff announces a minor injury
…assume its just a PR ploy to cover up the player’s terminal ebola virus infection. That way, when it turns out to “just” be a 2011 season-ending rotator cuff injury, it won’t seem so bad in comparison to major organ putrefaction.
lboros tells it!
It’s no coincidence that the Cardinals’ August tailspin coincided with Rasmus’s two-week absence due to injury. He’s an impact player, and the Cardinals aren’t the same when he’s out of the lineup.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Get that man a blog!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 28, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That and Albert's one bad month
Albert’s splits that month: .267/.333/.515.
Unfortunately, no one else was able to pick Albert up during his one down-ish month.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
I never cease to be impressed by Albert
I mean, wouldn’t we all have been thrilled if say, Ryan Ludwick had a season like that this year and wasn’t traded? Not to bash Luddy or anything, but that’s gotta be one of the worst months of Pujols’ career. And it’s an OPS of almost .850.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Right
It would be a great year for Ludwick. And when I saw that line for July, I thought of how it looked almost exactly like Rick Ankiel’s best year ever in 2008.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
I was rooting so hard for Swingin' Dick to work out for us
I was a big fan when he pitched for us, and loved that he had a good 1st half in 2008. Sigh…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Wow, that is pretty darn close to Ankiel's 2008
Colby’s been better than that this year, but still sad to think of what could have been.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
hehe
i decided to read the discussion board for some “intelligent remarks” and it was actually not a bunch of unintelligent colby bashers, but. one guy needs to learn about what he is talking about
Way, way and I mean WAAAAAY too many strikeouts and his RBI production is almost nil if he doesn’t drive in runs with the homer. At one point this late summer he had 350 at bats in which he hadn’t hit a home run and in those at bats he’d driven in 26 runs. That is flat out awful. Plus his defense is not that great and he has a pretty ordinary throwing arm. Looks a lot like Ray Lankford to me, and he was as over-rated as they come.
he sucks guys, he doesn’t get RBIs….
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 28, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
actually the ray lankford comment is more shocking
given that ray lankford was quite good and would not be a bad thing if colby was ray lankford….
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 28, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly
with colby’s skill set, he’s not that likely to drive in a ton of runs. lots of walks, lots of Ks and 30-ish HRs. he’s pretty comparable to jd drew, a damn good player who is constantly underrated by fans because he doesn’t have a bucket load of RBIs andkeeps his emotions in check
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I can't help but spit out more doom and gloom.
Somebody stop me. help!!!!!
anyway. I bet we find out after the season that Carp has been dealing with something for most of the season. He’s saying he feels great and I’m saying he isn’t pitching like Carp this season.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
sometimes I wonder if baseball is really worth it
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
spfldbird: “Carp, how do you feel?”
Chris Carpenter: “I’m fine”
spfldbird: "Are you sure though, it looks like you’ve been dealing with something for most of the season and you’re not pitching like yourself..:
Chris Carpenter: “I DON’T GIVE A FUCK”
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Are you kidding me. I would be afraid to even ask him.
Me with a luggage imprint on my face would not be a pretty sight.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
Carp's "GiveAFuck" has been broken since he got HBP
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i think the liner to the arm broke him a little too
run support would have been nice as well
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I did catch Carp regaling the entire bullpen with a funny story.
they were all seated in a row.
it was too far away, but it’s possible they were all rooted there in terror.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
one of those FSM pre-game shots
the entire bullpen was seated along one of the fences and Carp was standing, telling this great story. with acting.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nope
it was from across the field
had to be, to get the whole bullpen in the shot
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i don not approve of this stuff happening behind my back
/someone say twss i will punch him
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Now that would have been a great picture!
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
Clearly, he pissed off the GOB's with that incident in CIN
Prior to the incident, 171 IP @ 2.89 ERA with a 3.62 FIP; after, 55 IP @ 4.58 ERA with a 3.68 FIP.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
101.1 espn had Holliday on today
he said he chokes up once he gets down to two strikes.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yes I get kinda emotional as well.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
can we put colby and lego together
and send then to interviewing 101 – what to say and what not to say to the media
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
he also mentioned Colby
as one of the reasons people should be excited about next year. Allowing with Carp, Waino, Garcia and Pujols
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
You want the lineup? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE LINEUP!!
T. Greene 2b
D. Descalso 3b
A. Pujols 1b
M. Holliday lf
A. Craig rf
C. Rasmus cf
M. Pagnozzi c
B. Ryan ss
J. Suppan p
Is Suppan batting ninth because he has better numbers than Ryan?
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 28, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
needs more chief and bombs
sit those two clowns – some pujols guy and the hollidude
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
excuse my rage, im going to the game and i cannot control myself but....
FUCKING STOP FUCKING STARTING FUCKING MATT FUCKING PAGNOZZI…. FUCK!!!
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 28, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey if matt pagnozzi doesn't contribute and we win
then i’ll be perfectly fine with it… should we justifiably be rooting against pagnozzi the same way we did miles (sorta)?
except with pags, its makes more sense since we are out of it and he can’t hurt this team the way miles could (and apparantly did)
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 28, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely not!
didn’t you see what we did – the more we rooted against miles, the more bloop singles he hit
root for pagz and he’s doomed!
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Ah. Suppan
MANG!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Donde esta el mundo?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
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