20!!!
by Louieb99 on Sep 24, 2010 6:00 PM EDT
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PrintAdam Wainwright as of now is only the third pitcher in the MLB to reach the yearly milestone of twenty wins in one year, and just the second to do so in the national league, only to Roy Halladay. The Cardinals pulled off there second straight win today against Tom Gorzelanny and the rival Cubs. Now that missing the playoffs is inevitable and out of reach the Cardinals are just aiming for another winning season alongside Tony La Russa. Only two more games like this and the redbirds will pull out there third straight winning season under manager Tony La Russa and Albert Pujols, mvp in the last two seasons.
Now tell me what you guys think, but Adam Wainwright and the Cy Young award were almost unseperable in August, but after three tries to get win number eighteen his era has rose and those losses only count in the wrong column. However it still looks as if the NL Cy Young is coming his way after last years bs call on giving it to Lincecum.
In Wainwright's career he has yet to have a season with an ERA over 3.50 as a starter, and there is not many people that have done the same. A nice improvement that is evident in his play, in the last three years we have seen his double play balls and groundout to popouts begin to steadily rise, thats a good sign for the St. Louis organization. Pushing 200 k's on the year, Wainwright is now tied for strikeouts with another Cy Young candidate, Roy Halladay. Coming down to now Ubaldo, Wainwright, and Halladay, out of the three Wainwright has the lowest ERA, tied for most strikeouts, lowest whip, and tied for most wins with his 20th today. Tell me if you think he shouldnt receive this honorable award.
The Cardinals play a few more games this year and all I ask for is effort, we all know they are out, but that is still no reason to quit, give it your all out there boys and make the season somewhat worthwhile.
Go Cards!!! Congrats Adam!!!
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you are going to have to cool it man
first of all, i have no idea how these 4 paragraphs non-researched (well, ESPN profile doesn’t really count – takes a minute) helps your journalism… but anyway, i think i see the problem… you are treating this website as if it is your own personal blog, when you in fact, should just make one yourself… (this isn’t the place for a blog, more like a well-researched opinions article)
when i started, i was writing a game recap, and i edited my previous post instead of making new ones and that pissed a lot of people off, so i just stopped (not without a fight though)…. now 4 of the last 5 fanposts is going to make some people go apeshit…
i think i know what you’re response is gonna be too (“and since it is FANPOST… i can pretty much post whenever i want so don’t tell me i can’t do it” a – me back in april)…
you don’t wanna be that guy, i was that guy, and looking back, i realize how much of a dick i was so
reading back, i realized people calmly told me what was up and i basically told them fuck you, i can do what i want)… then i spent the next month thinking “woe is me” when i pretty much brought it all on myself…that shit-stained my screenname for a while…
please take my advice, im doing this for your benefit so you can avoid looking like a… [fill in word here – drawing blank]
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 24, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
wise words
heed this, all ye who post.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Sep 26, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Ummmm
This is getting out of control
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2010 8:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, this could just be a regular post in a gamethread, not a fanpost
'Hold my stones!'
"Ernie Hayes is up there playing with his organ again." - Mike Shannon
there are guidelines for posting fanshots and fanposts.
if you truly want to figure out what’s going on, go to the front page and read them.
otherwise, please stop spamming an already high-volume blog.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Can someone take this crap down already?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
kid, you've got your own blog
not only are you posting the exact same thing here AND there, you’re flooding us with posts that are really fanshots at best. do you really need that much validation?
by all means, stay with VEB but cool it with hijacking the front page. if you want us to read something you wrote and give you feedback, it is fully appropriate to post a link to it as a comment in a day thread but we really don’t need a daily post from you
don’t take it personally but as a guest in someone else’s blog, you should learn to play by the rules
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
of course i meant louie and not you pj
but sbn found it necessary to sbn me
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
damn
anybody got a bandaid? these wrists…
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Sep 25, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Please Stop
Cmon guys please stop critcizing me I didnt mean to piss all you guys off im sorry, I didnt know the rules and now i do so im sorry everyone
Cardinals and Rams slipping but gotta stay true. Blue are gonna start a new dynasty of winning. -Louie Broviak
In Louieb's defense
Well, not really, but one thing I’ve noticed: we’re averaging a fanpost every 2 days, over the last 3 weeks, even with louieb’s 4 posts in 4 days, and little over one fanpost a day, over the last few months. IIRC “the rules” were developed to keep really good fanposts from being pushed off the board, but that really doesn’t seem to be happening.
Which is ironic, since there are 4-5x as many posts on gamethreads and daily threads etc now. so you’d expect a corresponding increase in fanposts- maybe not 1 for 1, but the rate of change should be the same, not reversed sign. While the general fanpost quality is as good as it ever has been, or better, there seems to be fewer fanposts these days, which is unexpected.
Should the mods consider revising the rules? I’d personally rather see discussion on topical issues occur in fanposts than in game threads, since it is really hard to find things in game threads these days.
Also, fanshots are invisible.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i think people generally take some time
and put some thought and work into fanposts
the sheer commentary is done in the front page posts in the form of comments
i really doubt that anyone is interested in a who-am-i fanpost, cause really, WGAF? if i want to know something about you, i’d ask you
what ticks me off is posting the exact same thing on your own blog and here – what is that supposed to do?
rules are there for a reason
i’m not telling the kid to fuck off, he’s more than welcome to stay and contribute, the more the merrier, but he needs to cool it with the flooding
btw Louie, i believe in your previous fanpost you had a how am i doing poll?.. criticism is a good thing but don’t slit your wrists over it – prophetjohn already used up all the bandaid
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
excellent points
you should make a fanpost. just kidding…well, halfway kidding.
since the manifesto was written against frivolous fanposts and off-topic comments, it seems the site is now overrun with…er, frivolous fanposts and off-topic comments. i don’t know if changing/updating rules is going to change anything, nor should they IMHO. i feel as if it’s mainly a casualty of VEB’s popularity and its inclusion in the SBN community (sorry, community).
personally, outside of the main posts and a few of the recommended fanposts, i find VEB is unreadable anymore. i find myself trolling, reading, and participating on other cards sites in the time between danup posts. it’s true, it’s sad, but nothing gold can stay, ponyboy.
i say leave VEB to its current state. if it has a decline in popularity because of the problems associated with the activity and all the n00bs run off to the next popular thing, i’ll probably be here to pick up the pieces as well as all the other hopeless bastards who have been around here for years.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Sep 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
let me be the first to guarantee that the minute you relax the rules
20-30 other people like him will show up and claim not to read or understand the rules. modding small communities is very, very easy. modding a community of this size is really, really not.
I don’t know where you’ve been, but the posts in the game threads and front page posts have tanked all month long. there are actually more fanposts now vs. the commenters in the threads. once hot stove heats up, THE huge topic of the last decade will spark a surge of fanposts. your premise is totally off.
you revise the rules for small sample sizes, you’ll be reaping what you sow.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 26, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and I will say it again:
VEB members are not the only ones privy to VEB. SBN pipes this thing straight into every blogroll known to man, including the major sports outlets. and yes, fanposts are included in several of those rolls.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
plus
I’m not going to spend 3 or 4 hours putting together a post (that’s about what its taken for the few Ive put out there) that hardly anyone is going to read and is potentially just going to get pushed off the main page with bs like this.
That being said, I’m pretty sure he’s (louieb) has got the idea that its not kosher to post these things anymore.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
and he's like 14 years old
he should be masturbating all day. how does he have time for this shit?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 26, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
wow
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
by mattyfrommo on Sep 29, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not going to spend 3 or 4 hours putting together a post (that’s about what its taken for the few Ive put out there) that hardly anyone is going to read and is potentially just going to get pushed off the main page with bs like this.
If your fanpost is that great, it will be rec’d to the top of the page. So no worries.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I was drafting something
A few weeks ago. I thought it was pretty good initially, but as I went on with it I decided it was just rehashing things a lot of us knew in a slightly different, and way too wordy, way. I decided against it. I’m pretty sure there would have been a few people that liked it, and probably more that really didn’t.
I kinda like that the fanposts are rare. That the bar is set high. There’s an expectation that you’re not going to come to the table with half-assed trash. You can tell that people really think it through before they hit submit.
Maybe the line is drawn too far. I get what you’re saying about there not being as much volume as there used to be in this section. It’s a fine line between becoming so intimidating that good points aren’t being brought up because of fear, limited statistical background, whatever vs. having a culture of respect for the forum that forces you to do some homework before sharing here. I’m sure some decent posts aren’t being written in the current environment, but I think that might be better than the alternative of having a couple paragraph posts of every trade rumor, free agent target, poor performance…
The mod’s try to strike a tough balance, and I think most of the stuff we get here is pretty quality because of their stance on it. We all wish there was more of it, but I chalk a lot of it to this team and season being so throroughly uninspiring. Additionally, troubleshooting why it is so uninspiring is really remarkably easy. There are only so many ways to say we have had a lot of AB’s going to bad hitters, some bad personel decisions, and some bad luck.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 28, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
good points- and definitely agree in principle
Problem is that a lot of good discussion on things that are non-transient issues get lost in the game threads and daily threads. I’m just trying to think of ways to preserve those discussions outside the current paradigm, since it feels like a lot of stuff gets lost really easily. Maybe there should be #tags like with twitter, except that instead of the author tagging, it’s the users, and the mods create the tags?
Dunno. Just hate the fact that I can’t go back and look at some of the VEP-HL-fourstick battle royales, etc, because I can’t remember the two or 3 key words that will bring up that specific discussion out of the thousands. Dunno what the answer is, but forgetting things more than a day old probably isn’t it.
Hell, even a “good discussion” tag would be helpful. Then after a 12 hour day I could come home and only read what others have tagged as “worth reading”. And at the end of the season, could go back and look at all the posts marked “good discussion +10” or “insightful +10” etc and maybe see some things I missed, know what games to re-watch if i missed them during the off-season, etc. Or an “only stuff with bacon +45”, if that’s your thing.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I don't think any of the moderators would frown upon fanposts
that maybe aren’t uber-rigorous but rather built as a starting point for discussion around a topic. Obviously, you don’t want those to take over too often and the fanpost itself should still be something long enough to establish a view point or line of thought on the topic but there’s no harm in those cropping up from time to time. We do something similar to that with the offseason trade posts.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Dear VEB members
Please back off. If you come into a fanpost and one person has already politely (or not politely, I really don’t care) delivered the “new guy” message to a poster, you do not need to be the asshole who says it for the 50th time. Add to that the fact that this DOES get addressed by the mods in private and I’m sure LouieB feels like he’s getting mobbed at the moment.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Sep 26, 2010 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
grumble grumble grumble
multiple posts…grumble grumble grumble… short posts…grumble grumble grumble…read the guidelines…grumble grumble grumble…“i hate you”-gdm…grumble grumble grumble…“I’m sorry”…grumble grumble grumble…this again in a month.
by CodyG on Sep 26, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what about the asshole who says it for the 6th time?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Sep 29, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
the poll was missing an option that I would have voted for
heh
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 27, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions
I would have voted for the "heh" option
I don’t read any law
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 27, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
you guys are such elitists
go over to TST; there are 6 or 7 fanposts a day! give the kid a break anyway, I’d feel like shit if 200 people starting telling me about a silly mistake
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
I think people would have held off if he had stopped at 3
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 29, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Their fanpost section has been pretty bad for a while
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
by hr on Oct 1, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And
I feel that VEB has possibly the smallest fanpost/(users*day) out of all the SBN blogs…which is not a bad thing, but it causes an exaggerated reaction to users unfamiliar with VEB’s system of QUALITY fanposts. Go to most other blogs (e.g. http://www.turfshowtimes.com/fanposts); fanposts are repetitive, off topic, or just BS that someone managed to to extend to 75 words. New users are used to this kind of system, then come here and do the same thing, causing a massive reaction from the community.
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
by hr on Oct 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think this is that big a deal,
but to my mind new users just need to exercise some basic blog etiquette. Everyone knows different blogs have different formal and informal policies, and when you show up at a new blog I think the polite thing to do is at the very least read the guidelines if there are any, and ideally also just lay low for a little while to get a feel for how things are done. Again, not big a deal unless the new user gets really combative about it, but it’s up to him/her to conform to our blog policies, not the other way around.
by BTown Birds fan on Oct 1, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
let's try something
would some brave soul care to venture to another site and start spamming it with reactionary opinions? please gauge the reaction you receive and share it with the group. i’m sure others will be ambivalent and/or accepting, and upon receiving evidence of this VEB can then show the appropriate amount of shame for our behavior. thanks in advance.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 2, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I used to just link to the guidelines but even THAT was considered reactionary.
Some people will never be happy as long as there are rules.
After all,
this isn’t Nam, Smokey.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Oct 3, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's important to say we meant no offense to LouieB99
seems like a nice guy, hope he still reads the site. Just a little hazing is all I hope.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2010 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
I'm sure he's just (getting) off taking Fritz's advice
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Oct 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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