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Colby Rasmus hits, Adam Wainwright pitches, Ryan Franklin rises in my estimation

Come on, you know you'd link this photo instead of another "Adam Wainwright throws a curveball" AP special if you had the chance.

I don't presume to speak from Colby Rasmus's heart, so he could yet demand a trade out from under the adoring eyes of the best-damn-baseball-fans-period, but I have to imagine that his performance lately has made Tony La Russa and the St. Louis Cardinals less fond of the idea. Rasmus has added forty points to his OPS since his season low on August 31 and now sits at .884, within 10 points of the OPS leaderboard.

(Let me digress, momentarily, while we're still in the self-flaggelation part of the season—that means that the Cardinals are dangerously close to owning spots two, five, and 10 on the OPS leaderboard, spots three and five on the ERA leaderboard, and zero spots on the National League playoff schedule.)

After fruitless months in July and August, when he stopped walking so much, stopped hitting for power, and also got himself called into the principal's office, Rasmus is hitting nearly as brilliantly as he did in April. He's got a great chance at making this season, five years from now, look like a smooth, uniformly brilliant sophomore campaign to lazy bloggers everywhere; he just happens to have done it with three astounding months and three that—how do I put this—were not lacking in stounding. 

And maybe that's just who he is—I sincerely doubt he'll ever put up a full season where he hits .356/.435/.627, but this might be what his .870 OPS seasons look like. The Cardinals, especially the guy who sets out the lineup cards, will have to learn how to deal with that. (So will fans, for that matter—I'm hoping the J.D. Drew vibe will have passed by Opening Day 2011.) 

While I'm cutting statistics up into the unsatisfying numerical equivalent of fun-size boxes of Good & Plenty—am I the last person to notice that Adam Wainwright's supposedly mortal September-to-date involved him striking out 21 batters against two walks? He ruined that one with his low-ERA, three walk performance yesterday, so I had to get that out there while it was still easily visible on Baseball-Reference.

Star-divide

Yesterday leaves him with 19 wins, and 2003-Baseball-Prospectus-radical Dan would be at least a little disappointed (probably angrily, probably with CAPS LOCK on) to know that 2010 sellout Dan will be very disappointed indeed if Wainwright misses out on the 20 win milestone again.

This is as good a time as any to write about wins, and RBI, and batting average, something I'd like to talk about in greater depth if anybody would ever pay to read something about it. I realize that Adam Wainwright's season is outstanding whether he finishes 19-11 or 20-11. I realize that last season's failure to finish 2009 20-8, which can be put almost entirely on Kyle McClellan's apparent desire to finish with an ERA over three, is a crystal-clear anecdote in favor of that idea.

In my capacities as blogger and amateur general manager I wouldn't dare use wins to pick one season in Wainwright's apprently ongoing peak over another. But as descriptive stats I find the old, useless guard incredibly satisfying, even now. Better than FIP or even just ERA wins give me an idea of the shape of a player's season in a very rough historical context. Even the miscarriages of win justice—where could a player who's 12-11 with an ERA of 2.35 and 234 innings pitched play, except nestled within the sixth best organization in baseball? 

I know, intellectually, that Adam Wainwright is having an incredible run with the Cardinals at this very moment. But I'd like, down the road, to remember that in the middle of his peak he ran off 20 wins for a team that seemed, sometimes, completely incapable of winning. Of course, who knows how true that will be for people who were born while 2003 Dan was busy fomenting J.D. Drew-related angst; these stats all have this narrative power because they're what the narrative's been made out of for 100 years. 

#

I feel like I've gotten Ryan Franklin wrong all these years. He wasn't just a frustrating closer, a second-half scuffler, a guy I should like more than I did, a guy whose beard looks disgusting—he was a guy who did that while secretly possessing the ability to throw a knuckleball!

I realize this was news a while ago, but this was my first chance to see the knuckler knowing he threw one—in case you're scrubbing around MLB.TV now, instead of reading this, he throws two consecutively to Chase Headley—and it was the most I've ever empathized with Franklin.  

It's not a good example of a knuckleball; he throws it very hard, harder even, I think, than Jared Fernandez once did, and it spun just enough to make it more of a goofy-looking slider than Heisenberg's uncertainty pitch. If I were trying to explain to someone why the knuckleball was so awesome I'd go to Tim Wakefield first, or Eri Yoshida. But Headley is no September call-up, and it caught him looking, so it could yet be, well, a good knuckleball. And that would go a long way toward allowing me to keep my TV on for the ninth inning of Cardinals games. 

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Nice win yesterday

If only the Cards had been able to beat some weak competition earlier in the month. I hope we get to see the rookies in the next few days. They can’t help but give us some energy.

Hopefully the Cards and Colby can put whatever issues they have behind them. He can’t help but get better and given where he is starting from, that could be MVP quality. Holliday, Pujols and Colby can be the new MV3 next year — we just need a slightly better supporting cast.

Just win

by The Duke on Sep 20, 2010 6:56 AM EDT reply actions  

more than slightly i'm afraid

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 20, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

we just need our supporting cast to support...

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Sep 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given that the Cards season is, for intents and purposes, done...

…I’m going to take pleasure in watching them beat a team that’s in a pennant race two of three games. At this point, one must hang on to whatever small victories one comes across!

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 20, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

3 of 4 actually.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

…And Colby’s resurgence is quite nice to see. Obviously mental and emotional factors are important in baseball. No sane SABR-minded fan would argue otherwise, just that since there’s no clear and objective way to measure them and account for them its simply better to leave these factors out of player analysis. So, I can’t help but wonder if some kind of psychological pain was a partial cause of Rasmus’s struggles. He’s a young kid who seems to have a lot on his plate and probably some maturing to do so it’s a logical assumption IMO. Now, not to sound wishy-washy, it’s impossible to say for sure that it WAS given the nebulous nature of emotion and all that, but it’s something to think about, I suppose. Here’s to hoping that he was just in one of those random funks and that next year will smooth out a little bit. I’m going to take the long view and say he’s a just-24 year old who plays a fine centerfield and made a significant statistical improvement this season and leave it at that.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 20, 2010 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Colby's emotions may be in play more than most.

And from watching him play here in Springfield, he has his days where he looks lost at the plate. I have wondered the same thing about him feeling pain/insecurity. He sure has done well, since the “Drama”. And he has to feel more like he belongs. Time will tell if that is a difference maker for him. Can you imagine the season he could have if “belonging” has a positive impact.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton, 1988

by spfldbird on Sep 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

THEORY

Cardinals use Ryan Franklin’s proveyness to recruit Eri Yoshida!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

so are we doing a caption contest for that Ryan Webb dude?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

first, you call up Ashley Eckstein....

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

because she probably picked it up for free.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/817c/

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused about the Ashley Eckstein part.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ashley Eckstein

She was a voice actor in Clone Wars I think.

by WizardofOz1982 on Sep 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

lesson one

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

lesson two

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

bonus lesson three

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

conclusion

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're also very nice people.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't look so short in that picture, does he.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phone books must be involved.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Sep 20, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He found someone shorter than him to marry!

Good work, Lord Scrappington von Grit.

Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.

by The Continental on Sep 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

behold the wonder of Ashley Eckstein

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think she may be CGI.

I should look into this further. Or just hand it off to Evilfrog’s Department of Highly Improbable Stuff.

Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.

by The Continental on Sep 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a cute couple

They are a matched set.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton, 1988

by spfldbird on Sep 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is also a picture of her feeding cupcakes to a pair of stormtroopers

but that may be too hot for VEB.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honeymoon pictures?

Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.

by The Continental on Sep 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude looks soooooooo uncomfortable

i don’t want to know what her hand is doing thats making him so

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 20, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't lie;

you do

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i fear i've become too predictable

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 20, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since the day of the trade "request" story,

here are the slash stats for Rasmus: .382/.462/.691/1.152

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

TLR, sooper genius.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Sep 20, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think it should be

since the day of the trade request “story”.

Because it really wasn’t so much a story as a slow news day and someone poking a beehive with a nest.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Sep 20, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do you poke a beehive with a nest?

Though maybe I just haven’t been watching enough National Geographic.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, my brain is a mess right now

We’re throwing hardware that involves nontrivial networking changes at a software problem right now.

You know, it’s kinda like picking up Feliz to solve or hitting problems.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Sep 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It really is.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Sep 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very carefully

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Sep 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to see it

A good Colby certainly makes our lineup a little more scary. Hopefully this offseason we can find two guys to stick at the top of the lineup that can get on base.

by Stanley1 on Sep 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, serious question

Do you think a Jay/Craig combo addresses that problem in the 2 spot?

by sdrone on Sep 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you mean

The OBP in August/September isn’t what we want.

Frankly, regardless of what happens in right field, I’m hoping we upgrade at 2nd base. Maybe the always-mentioned Kelly Johnson isn’t too expensive.

by sdrone on Sep 20, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be ok with 2nd half Skip

but I also have an unexplainable man-crush on him

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Sep 20, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have my doubts

We all know Jay will come back to earth, and I don’t see him as a high on-base guy, unless he has another lucky year with his average. I don’t see him walking a lot though. I’d be fine with him and Craig/Mather in the two hole IF we got more consistent production out of the leadoff spot.

by Stanley1 on Sep 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get the whole impression that people have been getting that Jay won't walk a lot

all I see is the guy having a good eye and taking walks ahead of Albert when I watch the games (which admittedly, I haven’t been watching every game lately).

but the guy DOES have a good eye. perhaps his high BA might take away from some walks, but that’s a good thing. til he proves that he is a low OBP guy or is going to horribly faulter I would question him NOT being a high OBP guy.

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

7.5% walk rate.

.368 OBP with a .312 BA is pretty hollow.

Minor league career: .298 BA with .363 OBP.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like an above .360 OBP any day

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what you keep saying

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 21, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

details were off, but the fact remains

if the guy could maintain a .360ish BABIP, indefinitely, he’d be pretty valuable. Unfortunately, he’s had a .308 BABIP since 01 aug.

Which seems about right. And unfortunately, it comes with a .655 OPS.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Sep 21, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

well that's because about every other hitter in the MLB

can’t sustain a .363 BABIP…. your love of jay is getting in the way of reasonable anyalsis, that’s obvious

he’s probably closer to .330 if that but I GUARANTEE he’s not .363 since noone in the league even has that

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 21, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love his stats so far

that’s all I got for ya

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 21, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not alone in my Jay fandom

I’ve liked how he’s played in the last two spring trainings, and of course, during this season. I grant you that he’s had an absurd BABIP but in a small sample size that is not going to tell you too much. when he starts in RF next year and has had some more playing time then we can continue to debate more accurately.

fwiw, Derek Gould and the org have seen the same potential in Jay that I have, and I obviously don’t agree with everything they think. but at least, I’m not the only person that sees his potential.

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 21, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mo says he projects Jay at .270-.280 i remember

again i like jay, but its irrational to say his .363 is plausible just because we haven’t seen a full sample size… if anything we should be thinking the opposite…

expect a normal BABIP until he gets 500 plate appearances, that makes more sense

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 21, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone ever said he will sustain a .363 BABIP

BABIP is not the only stat in the world, S4

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 21, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

one thing to keep in mind there, as well

is that he didn’t walk one time in his first 46 PA’s. Since he took his first MLB walk, and discovered that it didn’t actually hurt, he’s walked at an 8.8% clip.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Sep 20, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he has played every inning

which was the crux of his angst all along.

Win, win, win.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

Ackerman1120 Mozeliak says that the status of La Russa, not Pujols, “leads the list” of offseason priorities: “Albert’s on the club next year.” #stlcards 4 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

..................we're married? it was one cocktail at Circus Circus!
  1. Ackerman1120 Mo: “With all of the managerial openings, there’s probably going to be a run on top guys. We certainly don’t want to be left at the altar.” 8 minutes ago via web
  2. Ackerman1120 Once they get a decision from La Russa, they’ll move to other topics. (I think La Russa will be back.) 6 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

when will Mo finally have the balls to just appoint the collective

intelligence of VEB live polls as the manager.

Should Aaron Miles be double-switched into the game?
VEB poll results (2% margin of error):
Yes: 2%
No: 98%

What more proof do you need, Mo? We await your call.

by mattyp on Sep 20, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

a year later, the scoreboard is festooned with pictures of naked cats

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

as long as its not the *facepalm* cat then i'm OK with that

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Sep 20, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dan n Al will stay

It will just be a different Al (-xFritz that is) and a different Dan (-Up, of course).
“Well Al, it’s Carp Love night at the ballpark this evening in honor of our former Cy Yound award-winning starter.”
“That’s right Dan, and if you look at the screen I have provided an expert portrait of John Mozeliak showing his emotional response to tonight’s promotion.”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

If anyone wants to get a feel for that decision,

I highly recommend this podcast with D Goold and Kevin Goldstein: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11949

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Sep 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

many thanks

I see Gould is also been sold on Jay for a while, like me

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like

they’re planning on looking for a new manager

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is some very early posturing by Mo, to be sure.

If he really framed it as not wanting to be “left at the altar,” then he is positioning this decision to be made by some sort of deadline, it seems.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's already said that there will be a deadline

i hope it’s that they’re giving tony a deadline to announce his retirement or else they be shit canning his ass

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness. . .

since TLR is on a self-imposed year-to-year contract, TLR’s status has been topic #1 in the offseason for the last several years. This is not an earth-shattering, hold the presses news bulletin.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone has something brown on their nose.

silly mo. you know that’s just going to cost you money.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to Friday's game...

It was only the second game I could get to this season, it was the first where I had pretty good seats. The first game was Lohse v. Astros. So you can only imagine my frowny face when Lohse gave up the homerun to Tejada. Although that was the first pitch that I saw live where my brain said “meatball!” prior to me knowing it was a homerun. And then my happy face when we responded with 3 in the bottom of the 1st.

Some things I noticed. None are enlightening.

1) Brendan Ryan LOVES to talk. Going onto the field, going into the dugout, after double plays, after routine groundballs, after routine flyouts to Jon Jay, during the national anthem, to Aaron Miles, to Skip Schumaker, to Tyler Greene, to Pedro Feliz. It doesn’t matter, that dude has things to talk about. It’s really endearing, almost cute.

2) “Skip Schumaker is reeeeeeally sexy. From both sides.” my girlfriend

3) Brendan Ryan is so good in the field. Since I don’t get to many games, I was surprised by how awesome he looks live.

4) Colby Rasmus is fast on the basepath! Like really fast! And he takes very little steps.

5) Yadier is soooooooooo slow. It always amazes me when athletes are slow. This was so slow, and he looked like he was running really hard. It was almost like 2nd to 3rd was the set on the “Virtual Insanity” video by Jamiroquai.

6) Jaime Garcia’s head is long and skinny. Then at the top, it is long and fat. It is misshapen. And very bald.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for your observations

It’s almost as good as being at the game. :)
Brendan sounds like he’s a handful and that can be positive and negative. Like all super-energetic people you have to enjoy the good and smile at the bad. He’s so good he’s worth it. As you say the “bad” for Brendan can be endearing.

I don’t know what makes Skip sexy but you are right, he is.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton, 1988

by spfldbird on Sep 20, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

hottie hotmaker!

also, do you mean that colby literally takes small steps, or that he takes very few steps?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he takes very small steps!

Lots of tiny steps! (sorry for the confusion)

And all the players seem to enjoy Boog’s chattiness. Lots of laughter. Same with Miles, he was making a lot folks giggle.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

mascots?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

put him in a mini Fredbird suit

that or head of security are the only jobs he’s qualified to do for the Cardinals

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 20, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Drinking at the game?

For sure, I was there for my girlfriend’s birthday. At first I marveled that my ladyfriend requested to go to a cards game for her birthday…then I listened to her talk about Sexy Sexmaker for 7 innings. She also thinks that Waino is “uber-hot”, thinks Boog’s socks are “goofy…in a cute way…”, and that “Miles looks like a small version of that player catching for the fans before the game (Stav)”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is important intel

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt...

She’s a sabermetric NUT!

We also saw Jim Hayes jogging in Central West End. He reacted with a thumbs up when I yelled “Hey nice broadcast last night Jimbo!” To which the ladyfriend remarked “he runs like a girl”.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone catch the Cubs game on Sunday?

I didn’t realize until this morning that Colvin had to go to the hospital, and is still here, after being stabbed by part of a flying bat as he ran from 3rd to home. He was watching the ball in the outfield at the time.

Add that to this year’s wacky injury list.

Which brings me to walk-off celebrations. Nats player hits a walkoff hit yesterday. players mob him, are punching him. I’m not sure if he was annoyed or it was part of the celebration, but at one point he just lets loose with a roundhouse and barely misses the guy hanging on his back.

by sdrone on Sep 20, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

If you go to the bottom of yesterday's game thread

there’s a link to pics of it.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

video?

how do you barely miss someone on your back with a roundhouse?

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Sep 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

by punching yourself in the face.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The guy moves his head

it was kinda funny to watch, but if the punch had connected, that would’ve hurt.

by sdrone on Sep 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish people would make it CRYSTAL CLEAR that Scotty wasn't aiming to brawl with Carp.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damned 1L's

I’m not sure the “legal implications” article is very accurate. I could look into it a bit more, but I’m pretty certain that in-game fights, and injuries that occur from them, have been handled by at least one court. Rudy Tomjanovich almost getting killed by Kermit Washington is a more analgous situation to this, and I thought there was a civil case (not entirely sure).

And I second Y2S, both Scotty and Carp have said that there was no foul-intentions to Scotty’s actions. Why does that keep coming up?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

most people talking about it don't know and don't care about the context.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt this case you mentioned had someone kick you in the face six times though...

a regular brawl and a player, who at best in Cueto’s case being chlosterphobic and freaking out by lifting himself (who does that though)and kicking randomly and at worst aiming for LaRue’s head is not the same

how have people failed to see that Cueto in fact was pinned not by Cardinals but by his own teammates…? and that he clearly was eager to get in on the action after failing several times to jump in, he needed to run around?

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

right. the thing is, before the pile-up, Cueto is clearly seen on the outskirts of the crowd.

hmmm, how did he end up by the backstop? with lots of room to move?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering whether LaRue looked into legal action

unfortunately I haven’t had a chance to research it since I learned of his retirement.

Kermit Washington super-punched Rudy Tomjanovich in the face during a NBA brawl, nearly killing him. Tomjanovich was out for nearly 5 months, he wasn’t forced to retire. I thought I read the case where he sued the LA Lakers (Washington’s team), and won a judgment against them. So any legal action may be against the Reds.

It is unfortunate that LaRue has to retire because of this. And it did seem that Cueto was an aggressor in the brawl.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tomjanovich v. California Sports, Inc.

Hackbart v. Cincinnati Bengals

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you!

I think Hackbart involved a cheap shot or late hit. But I dumped all law school “learning” as soon as i graduated.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Hackbart is the standard, then LaRue has firm legal footing, in my opinion.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it would seem so...

http://www.goodmans.ca/pdfs%5CCIVIL_LIABILITY_IN_THE_ARENA_OF_PROFESSIONAL_SPORTS.pdf

This is a pretty solid law review article. If LaRue were to sue, it would be a pretty big deal.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of errors in the "legal implications" article

Dude has obviously not taken “conflict of laws” or “federal courts” because making a statement like “A state court decision is not binding on a court in any other state or in a federal court” will get you an F in those classes.

And like someone else pointed out, he should have looked to Hackbart, which is probably the most common case for study in any sports law class (right up there with Flood v. Kuhn). That Avila case is so easily distinguishable as to not be helpful at all.

In any event, LaRue could clearly sue Cueto and the Reds, just like Moore sued Bertuzzi and the Canucks (or like a host of other cases). All of the issues like intent, assumption of risk, and damages are fact issues for an Ohio jury.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRue's case would be fairly landmark

As in it could decide whether baseball is a “contact sport”, if brawls are a “part of the sport”, what type of risks are assumed in sports brawls, type/amount of damages of a player who is practically retired due to the non-in-game actions of another player, whether the Reds or Cueto would be liable for those damages. It would be extremely interesting.

The kid who wrote the article did not research much, which is a shame. Hackbart, Tomjanovich, Averill are all cases that are much more analogous.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i also wonder if there is anything in the players' CBA that requires the team to indemnify them for thier actions

the reds are liable for cueto’s acts in the course and scope of his employment with the team. i wonder if conduct during a brawl is outside the scope of his employment.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't "require them to"

but it protects them. IE, if MLB kicked Cueto out of baseball, the Reds could get out of paying his salary due to the “unsportsmanlike behavior” clause.

Or at least, could have, before they let him pitch the rest of his games this year. Guess that was a risk worth taking, for them, but if, say Kyle Lohse had started kicking miguel cairo, that would be an interesting decision for Mo.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Sep 20, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're the two most famous people involved

of course they’re going to be the most talked about.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Sep 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for pointing this out.

so if LaRue wanted to sue he could make a case. Whether he would win or not is debatable. I almost wish he would do it.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton, 1988

by spfldbird on Sep 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he does too...

If only for the fantastic skit that VEB would create. I can picture it now… and it is glorious!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

LaRue pretty clearly has a prima facie tort case against Cueto for battery.

Such a claim has essentially 3 requirements:

1) Contact between the tortfeasor (here Cueto) and the injured (LaRue).
2) Such contact is intentional. Intent in this contact isn’t necessarily that he meant to hit the person, but rather that he intentionally took the action. That Cueto intended to kick is enough; that he intended to specifically kick LaRue isn’t required.
3) That such contact was harmful or offensive to the recipient. Concussion, retirement, I think we’ve got that angle covered.

So, Cueto intentionally kicked and in so doing came into contact with LaRue and injured him. This gives rise to a claim of battery. This isn’t to say LaRue would necessarily win, as there are several defenses that might concievably apply and therefore defeat the claim of battery. A good attorney – even a mediocre attorney – could probably argue the defenses of consent (LaRue consented to the kick by engaging in the brawl – seems unlikely to win), self defense (Cueto was a’scaird and was tryin’ to protect himself) and defense of others (Cueto needed to kick LaRue out of baseball to protect a teammate that LaRue was threatening). I’m not saying any of these would necessarily, absolutely, unquestionably win – I haven’t looked at the video recently – but a decent attorney could certainly cloud the issue enough that it’s not an open-and-shut case.

by dronemc on Sep 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right,

but the fighting issue is whether LaRue consented to this type of offensive contact by playing the game of baseball. I don’t believe that he did.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not baseball, but consenting to the brawl

The point is still valid – I can’t remember a time when someone was cleated in the face during a baseball brawl.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 20, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

"it’s not an open-and-shut case"

especially when tried before an Ohio jury (even though I realize that the jury seated would, supposedly, be un-biased)

Given the chance, LaRue might fair better with a judge-only trial.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh...la rue could probably sue the reds and cueto in missouri. the reds have sufficient contacts with the state to be subject to suit there.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 20, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

personal jurisdiction and proper venue for a tort claim...

aren’t the same thing. I thought you were a trial lawyer….:-)

by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 20, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmmm

I dunno, Avila (and other similar cases) basically stand for the proposition that you assume all risks within the scope of risk inherent to the game. So getting hit in the head by a baseball, even if it is thrown at you purposely, can not give rise to a claim of, say, battery: Brush-backs are a part of the game, so by participating in the game you assume the risk you’ll get hit by one. To switch the focus to Cueto/Larue: Is getting in a brawl an inherent risk of the game? Sure. Is getting hurt in a brawl an inherent risk of the game? Definitely. But is getting repeatedly kicked in the head by someone wearing metal cleats a risk of the game? I dunno. It could be so unforeseeable to a player as an inherent risk of participating in the game that it really couldn’t jusitifiably fall under the assumption of the risk doctrine. Not that there’s any common law to support this, but to me it seems like the fairest treatment of the case would involve some kind of weird assumption of the risk/comparative negligence hybrid that probably doesn’t even exist (as the suit would probably be for assault and battery, but comparative negligence is a doctrine peculiar to negligence actions). Thus, Larue assumed maybe 50% of the risk that he would be injured, but because of the unforeseeable and egregious way it occurred, Cueto would still be liable for 50%. Figure out the damages, then cut them in alf and award it to Larue. Then call it a day. Oh, and also give Cueto the death penalty, just because.
/wall of text

by mattyp on Sep 20, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking about battery, not negligence.

The “assumption of the risk” doctrines apply to negligence. Battery is an intentional tort – there’s no risk for the injured to assume; the injury stems from an intentional act of a third party.

There’s some bleed-over in the issues as regards that consent defense to battery – which is why I said that I don’t think it’s clear on that one – but the other defenses and the initial battery analysis really don’t overlap with the negligence standards.

by dronemc on Sep 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read Hackbart.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read a summary of Hackbart.

Basically, it just stands for the proposition that simply being on the ballfield doesn’t insulate players against civil claims for their actions thereon. The premise is helpful to get us through the courthouse door, but beyond that, I think it’s distinguishable enough factually that the result therein wouldn’t be controlling in the hypothetical case of LaRue v. Cueto. Hackbart was 1 on 1 while LaRue was in a brawl, football is more inherently violent than baseball, etc.

Again, not saying things are clear cut with LaRue v. Cueto; just that it’s not a rifle-shot clear victory.

Now, onto the law review article linked above to see if it gives me any more enlightenment.

by dronemc on Sep 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly have no idea what my point was

oh yeah, Cueto deserves the death penalty. Carry on.

by mattyp on Sep 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the focus should be less on did he assume the risk of this type of conduct by playing baseball

and more, did he assume the risk of this type of conduct by entering into a 60-person brawl

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

you need to have a bigger footprint when you drop down the legal truisms

like a gif. or a sound effect.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

dun dun duuuuun

like that?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Sep 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the one, T_C

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

characterizing "the risk" as "getting in a brawl"

Drives the question you’re asking. If you characterized the risk as “getting repeatedly kicked in the head by a man wearing spikes” then the risk looks more exotic, and maybe unanticipated. Surely there might be acts that are part of a brawl that no one would accept as risks (e.g., getting stabbed).

The question is whether cueto’s attack is more like an anticipated result of a typical brawl (a shove, a punch) or extraordinarÿ (a stabbing, OHMYGOD gomes just gave him a METAL FOLDING CHAIR).it all depends on how you characterize it. Which is why lawyers make the money.

There’s a self-defense issue. There’s also a damages issue. Based on larue’s last interview, he may have retired anyway, and it might be hard to separate any long-term concussion side effects of this incident vs. The concussion symptoms of his first 19 concussions.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

must be something in the cowboy code that prevents him from suing

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: Yadi and his bum knee

I would like to see a start for Anderson. I would also like to see Mather at third base and Craig in right field. I hope we see some of this against the Pirates.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton, 1988

by spfldbird on Sep 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Why would TLR start Anderson when he has the inferior Pagnozzi to start?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

why doesnt he just put Feliz behind the plate ? he's a catcher too

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Sep 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

2 pm Florida make-up game

 Fox_Sports_MW #STLCARDS LINEUP—
Skip 2B,
Jay RF,
Pujols 1B,
Holliday LF,
Rasmus CF,
Molina C,
Feliz 3B,
Carp P,
Ryan SS
11 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

2pm Monday baseball . . .?

Oh well, I guess I should appreciate it while I still can.

by bailorg on Sep 20, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

why are pujols and yadi playing

meaningless game now

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 20, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling better!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure??

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the heads up...added to DVR

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.

by The Continental on Sep 20, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Nor is it Cincinnati.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

My mistake.

Must have clicked on Viva El Law-talking-people.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

viva el pettifoggers

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Sep 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

FIRE TLR! FREE COLBY! KELLY JOHNSON FOR SECOND BASE!

Better?

by dronemc on Sep 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmm, and tasty too.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

especially after being deep-fried

theoretically.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Sep 20, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

BETTER

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

CDNGAFALRPN

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Sep 20, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard Cueto is totally an In n Out Burger kinda guy

Figures!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Viva El Yak-talking-people better

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a few weeks ago

John Hadley was on the flagship arguing that Randy Winn was more productive than Rasmus, and that we should ship his ass out of here.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

the next actualization of VEB will be a self-satirical website, perhaps with twitter updates

the actualization after that will be when no one can distinguish the real VEB from the satire.

boom

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Benefit #14354 of the Cardinals moving back to KMOX:

No Hadley on the post-game show.

Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.

by The Continental on Sep 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Just wow.

Is it safe to conclude that Hadley knows very little about baseball?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Hadley can color inside the lines

or count to 10 without using his fingers.

Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.

by The Continental on Sep 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you've never heard him

Do everything in your power to keep it that way. He’s a clown.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does he fill in on the radio broadcasts on occasion?

If so, then I have heard him.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll handle the postgame on 550

on occasion. I don’t listen to it too often, but I think they rotate it out between Maracek, Claiborne, and Hadley pretty evenly.

God Tier
Maracek

Good Tier
Caliborne

Shit tier
Hadley

If you heard a guy that sounds like he has marbles in his mouth, and likes to say “Intruiging”, “Phenominal”, “Ultimately”, and “Atrocious” every other sentence, then that’s Hadley.

by Merry CRasmus on Sep 20, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ALERT - GUYS IN TRUCK MOMENT POTENTIALLY APPROACHING!

Bernie revisiting LaRue-Cueto brawl in light of retirement story.

Odds of him mentioning potential legal action? 3-1? 5-1?

by dronemc on Sep 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

1 - 1

Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.

by The Continental on Sep 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

bernie's a good dude, but he jumps the gun on analysis at times...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awwww....

He seems to have moved on. More handegg talk.

by dronemc on Sep 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

VINDICATION!

Straussicorn mentiones LaRue deciding not to pursue legal action on Bernie’s show!

by dronemc on Sep 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahaahah

Astros will win NL Central next year

Houston has had a very intriguing summer. What began as a lost season for the Astros instead became a midseason remodeling job which has seen Houston proactively transform from a top-heavy disappointment bloated with big salaries to a competitive, cost-effective contender, which in an arguably weak NL Central could establish the Astros as a 2011 front-runner.

guys don’t worry, trading oswalt, berkmann actually helped the guy

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

at this rate.... I ain't laughing at any projections.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too lazy to check, but how much have they outperformed their Pythag in the second half?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's just their patented

Second Half Run™

like the Rockies, only lamer.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not next year, but soon

Their out-of-character willingness to cut loose the older players and call the kids up is worth watching.

It could mean Uncle Drayton has realized how to rebuild or he’s prepping the team for sale.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Sep 20, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

based off what though?

what makes you think they will be good soon?

im not impressed with their talent… they have a .483 WP, their expected WP is .420….

chris johnson has a .398 BABIP so he’s nowehere near this good, wallace sucks as of now and is not bound to get much better than league average, their pitching staff is old with no soon-to-be aces…

im just wondering though….

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houston is very slow in promoting players

Johnson, Castro et al. in years past would not be in Houston now, but would be given the opportunity to compete for roster spots in next year’s Spring Training.

If this “youth movement” continues, and even if the talent is lacking, it means the organization is getting away from their Sacred Cows and High Dollar FAs stance, and moving towards home grown development. That is a big step for Drayton McLane. Like I said, either he’s learned something OR he’s going to sell the team (which would include, I assume, a change to this kind of philosophy).

Perhaps soon was a poor choice of words. I meant 4-5 years, not 8-10 (which is what I thought in April).

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Sep 20, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair point

that makes sense, the astros are actually doing all the right things to get out of their hellhole

i can see them getting good in 4-5 years, not a stretch

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Johnson

From that article:

The face of the Astros’ youth movement is Chris Johnson, a fourth-round pick by Houston in the 2006 draft who was recalled June 22 and given the third-base job when veteran Pedro Feliz was benched.

Johnson has become an under-the-radar rookie of the year candidate. He’s currently second only to Buster Posey among NL rookies with a .322 batting average. He’s third in slugging at .503. In fact, since the All-Star break, Johnson is hitting a sizzling .336. Feliz was eventually sent to St. Louis. Johnson could be at third base in Houston for years to come.

BB%: 4.5%
Slash stats: .322/.350/.507/.857
LD%: 23.5%
GB%: 39.4%
FB%: 37.1%
BABIP: .398
wOBA: .369
wOBAr: .329

He’ll be lucky to OPS above .800 next season.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

that walk rate is felizesque

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Sep 21, 2010 12:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

*could

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah dude
The Houston Astros will win the NL Central in 2011. I’m calling it right now — Astros ’11 division champs.

he means will

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone remembers the crazy predictions you get right

nobody remembers or will call you out on the stuff you get wrong.

Case in point: Skip Bayless and Woody Paige still have careers.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Sep 20, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

here you go

“which in an arguably weak NL Central could establish the Astros as a 2011 front-runner.
"

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

so basically he is not saying anything at all, really

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

except that he is
The Houston Astros will win the NL Central in 2011. I’m calling it right now — Astros ’11 division champs.

he is outright calling it… i don’t know why im arguing about this… its in plain sight…. the fishy details about “could” is just so he can defend himself when he’s wrong…

you can’t make a hyperbolic statement like the one above – and say “no he meant could look later in the article”

by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is not that crazy a prediction if you think about it.

I don’t know that they’ll win the Central, because they can’t really add anything of value in the offseason due to the FA market sucking horribly.

However, they’re 72-77 with the complete shit everyday player roster that they currently have. Of their everyday guys only two of them have OPS’ above .750: Pence and Johnson. Yet, they are still just 5 games under .500. Why? Because they have a pretty decent, and cheap, pitching staff, all of whom will be back next year. Myers, Wandy, and Happ are a good top 3, and they have Norris, Moehler, and Paulino to fill out the 4 and 5 spots in the rotation, or could even go after a FA to help fill one of those too. That’s a pretty decent rotation. They also have a 19 year old kid at AAA, Jordan Lyles, that could help them in the near future. 3.29 K/BB in AA at age 19? That’s pretty damn impressive.

As far as position players go, Johnson is likely to regress a bit, Pence is probably under-performing a bit, and Lee is just atrocious for the money he’s making. Bourn is still a decent player and provides a stolen base threat at the top — if he could just draw a few more walks he’d be pretty valuable. In order for them to really turn it around offensively, three things have to happen:

  1. Brett Wallace has to hit.
  2. Jason Castro has to hit.
  3. Carlos Lee has to not suck, like .850-.900 OPS worth of not sucking — like a Vernon Wells type renaissance next year.

Wallace and Castro were good minor league hitters….but then again, so was J.R. Towles and he never amounted to much of anything. They will get all the chances in the world to prove they can hit for this team.

If you look around the division though, it’s not like there’s a juggernaut that will dominate this division. The Brewers have no pitching, no pitching on the way, and may or may not have Prince Fielder next year. The Reds are getting career years from a couple of players (Votto especially, although I think he really is this good) and have some decisions to make about pitching (re-sign Arroyo and Harang? is Chapman a starter? is Leake for real? can Wood be a 5th starter?). The Cubs are in transition with aging overpaid former stars and a headcase, and Pittsburgh is at least 2-3 years from being a contending team if they don’t fuck it up and deal McCutcheon to the Cubs for a pu-pu platter.

It’s not out of the question for the Astros to get better, but the question is whether you believe that McClane and Ed Wade can make the right moves to pull it off. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by their ability to go out and try to rebuild this offseason. They got Happ and two young players with ok talent in the Oswalt deal (they could have done better, but at least the Phillies picked up all the dollars, and that’s what the real point was), they got another young, speedy outfielder in the Berkman deal. They appear to be focussed on acquiring speedy players for the future, although I don’t know how that’s going to play in their ballpark really.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Sep 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of inside-the-park home runs is the plan. McClane finds them amusing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 20, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read this on my iPhone for the first time

As I was scrolling down, I said to myself, “This is a fourstick post”

And so it was.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 20, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do get a bit verbose, at times.

I think some of my posts have more keystrokes in one post than gdm has in 6 month’s worth of posts….lol

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Sep 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

gdm typed up a dandy a couple of weeks ago.

I think he even shocked himself at how long it was.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

...
Yet, they are still just 5 games under .500. Why?

This has a lot to do with the fact that they are 8 games better than their Pythag record.

The Astros suck.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 20, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The Astros have gone 9-1 in Norris' past 10 starts."

Yeesh. Look what we started…

(for the pedants, Norris vs STL was actually the second game in that streak, so no, we technically didn’t “start” it- but we helped).

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Sep 20, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may have been mentioned in a previous post, but...

did anyone else hear/see that Jack Clark said the 2010 Cardinals have “poopy in their pants”? I can’t think of a more accurate way to describe this season.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Sep 20, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

orange man make funny

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a fanshot.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 20, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sacha Baron Cohen being cast as Freddie Mercury is the most perfect casting in the history of casting

That is all.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 20, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeff Bridges and John Goodman would like a word with you.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Segue

Speaking of The Big Lebowski, I’m watching Boardwalk Empire right now with Steve Buscemi

Pretty good so far

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Sep 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard that it's awesome

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

its the beginning of the Sopranos, it was pretty good

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 20, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

I have to see this.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 20, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what i took it as, the beginning of all gangster family's in the 20's

i’m not sure if that’s where they are going to end up, but the main guy behind it was one of the guys behind the Sopranos. there are two actors from the Sopranos in it, Buscemi & the other guy that ended up being one of the boss’s of NYC when the Sopranos ended. i forget his name, but he is really short.

anyway it’s main story follows a gangster in Atlantic City in 1920 but it also shows how guy like Lucky Luciano & Al Capone got their start. Martin Scorsese is the executive producer & i guess this is based off of a series of books that he read or something. i don’t know. it was a good pilot even if i didn’t get it at first. i don’t know if it will fill the void left by the Sopranos, but it certainly looks promising.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2010 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the series just started?

I can pick up the episode I missed…but if HBO pulls another Deadwood or Carnivale, they will be dead to me forever.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 21, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

fist episode was sunday night & they picked up season 2 this afternoon

it was the highest rated premier for HBO in almost 7 years, so it should stick around for a while

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought they had been around longer than that

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 21, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

my friend covered the big lebowski fest in chicago this weekend for an online zine

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like fun.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Sep 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it was two nights

missed it though

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

“online zine.”

Man the late 90s were crazy.

by sdrone on Sep 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just how he explained it to me

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

basically I guy who wants a magazine but can't afford the publishing

it covers chicago nightlife, stuff like that. I’m guessing he’ll turn it into a magazine if he gets any advertising revenue

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

these days you'd probably get more revenue from online than print.

no one buys trees anymore.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's funny

I’m listening to that “podcast” that azru posted earlier, and they are talking about Chunklet right now, and how it isn’t really printed anymore.

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the part where the guy says that Of Montreal sucks

one of the most overrated bands around

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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