An exclusive interview with the Gods of Baseball
by DanUpBaby on Sep 16, 2010 2:14 AM EDT
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PrintI get a lot of e-mails in the official Viva El Birdos mailbox, but very few of them bend space and time, and fewer still use their apparent omniscience for no purpose except to change the disclaimer on their e-mail headers to say, "Remember: AOL will always ask you for your password or billing information."
I know that petty sense of humor. I know that AOL e-mail address. I know their press agent. The Gods of Baseball had finally responded to my interview request. I pushed for a public place; they pushed for someplace with the breath of evil and decay fresh on it. At 9:30 last night I stood outside the Edward Jones Dome, a recorder stashed surreptitiously inside my novelty reporter's hat.
GOB: This is all off the record, of course.
VEB: Of course. Please talk into the novelty reporter's hat.
GOB: Our corporeal form is an illusion! We will appease your human request, but only because we find it amusing!
VEB: I was thinking maybe we could start with the Chris Carpenter injury thing.
GOB: You noticed! That was what we in the internet business call a "long troll." Let us explain: there was all those injuries in the first place, just to establish the stakes. Then this terrible losing streak—but, and we're sorry to toot our own horn, here, it's more than that. It's subtle. The Cardinals had to start losing in particularly frustrating, lifeless, deterministically terrible ways.
And that's where we come in. So all that looked like it was going to peak with Chris Carpenter getting hurt, and then we fed B.J. Rains the news that it was a tweaked hammy. We were going to have Joe Strauss tease it, round midnight, but that guy... It seemed a little Faustian, is all, even to us.
Chris Carpenter getting hurt, though—we have our limits. Right now all the damage is confined to 2010; this team could be trotted out next year and probably do a little better, then the Reds probably do a little worse—well, you know how it is. According to our current CBA we're not allowed to mess with the 2011 season until the Mets decide they're favorites in the NL East.
VEB: So—if I could ask, I mean, off the record—what do you get out of this? What's with all this strife and discord?
GOB: That Moneyball book kind of pissed us off. You know, the one Billy Beane wrote. The Cardinals had a pretty good plan this year; they got players who could be average at all the positions, they set up their salary structure for the next decade, they brought up some rookies. And you guys just dug it all too much.
VEB: You didn't read Moneyball, did you?
GOB: Joe Morgan kind of ruined the ending for us, so we just had him summarize it. But, like—where were we? Oh, yeah. Your boys had a good plan, and all, but good plans don't always work out. We needed an object lesson to that effect. So there was the stuff with Tony La Russa getting in everybody's face, and then the composition of the roster getting worse as players got hurt and underperformed. We felt bad getting Randy Winn caught up in it, but being identical to Jon Jay and dealing with that whole playoff curse thing—it fit too well.
You have to plan for stuff like that, or at least for not being able to plan for it. Players' value as individual human beings might not make a huge difference in the wins column, but players and managers being human—that's a big deal. And the hubris coming from this blog. If you really want to know, I started planning the Aaron Miles gag when you wrote that thing about this team being without significant weaknesses, so if they want somebody to blame—
The tape cut out here, for about fifteen minutes—I don't remember what he said.
GOB: —with a really big pretzel dog. So yeah, Moneyball. Read it and weep.
Kyle: Moneyball? More like Moneyballs!!!
VEB: K—Kyle Lohse? You know they're still playing baseball, right?
Kyle: Like, a guy's balls, get it? I'm kinda bored and the team's getting its head handed to it. So I figured I'd come check out the football game.
VEB: Kyle, it's football. They only play it once a week.
Kyle: Yeah, but I figured maybe it was today. They've got that guy who's in Madden now, right? Oh, crap—it's—who're you talking to?
VEB: He's a source.
GOB: An evil source!
Kyle: An evil sorcerer! That's the guy who gave me motocross lessons! And the guy who Rickrolled Tony from Colby's AIM account! And Pedro's agent!
VEB: Okay, that hardly seems above board.
Kyle: And Matt's PR rep! And Aaron's personal trainer! And Dennys's nutrition expert! And David's chauffeur! And David's doctor! And Brad's fortune-teller! And Brendan's dry cleaner! And Jason's barber! And Jeff Suppan!
VEB: Wait, what?
Kyle: And Albert Pujols's shadowy arch-nemesis! Danup! Albert! Cheese it!
VEB: Albert!?
Albert: I don' trust hing oud alone after curfew, mang. [to GOB, in a whisper] You and I have some things to discuss, friend. I'll be in touch.
Albert: Waid for me, mang! I'll ged you a Migflurry and you can put anything on it you wan'!
GOB: Look, uh, something's come up. Padres are underway on the West Coast, they think they've got a shot at the sweep—it's all very hilarious. We'll, uh, some other time.
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GOBs- Evil Geniuses
DanUp- Narrative Savant
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Sep 16, 2010 2:26 AM EDT reply actions
GOBs = evil bastards
and Danup’s writing is a pretty decent nepenthe. and that’s it, at this point. All there is to salvage, from this season, for this team. And he’s not paid nearly enough, for what we’ve all expended, in heart and soul.
When it comes down to it, TLR failed. He was given the best team, with the best chance to win, and he failed. he had 3 of the best 5 starting pitchers in the NL, and the best position player in the NL, and he couldn’t win the weakest division in the ML.
This absolutely, positively, has to be a fucking sign of something, goddammit. cmon GOB’s. give us a sign for next year. Strike Cueto down with a bolt of lightning, or something, you fucking bastards.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Gods of Baseball
love hubris. And the return of LaRussa in 2011 would put a BIG smile on their face.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The Cards aren't what you thought they were.
he had 3 of the best 5 starting pitchers in the NL
There are 21 starting NL pitchers with a higher fWAR than Garcia this year, including such luminaries as Anibal Sanchez, Wandy Rodriguez, Hiroki Kuroda, and Jason Hammel. 18 pitchers are ahead of Carp in fWAR.
The Cards are simply not the best NL team, nor did they have 3 of the best 5 starting pitchers.
The Cards are what they appear to be, an above-average team among other, similar above-average teams like the Rockies or Giants, who also probably aren’t going to make the playoffs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
they were designed to plow through the NL Central.
this did not happen.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
"designed to be" and "are" are not the same thing.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
so which are you talking about?
the expectations or the reality?
because I thought this thread is talking about expectations. I’m not sure any of us need to be told that the reality sucks.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand,
the NL Central was designed to be terrible, then Votto and Rolen got healthy, Leake showed up two years earlier than anyone thought, and somehow the Reds became the best offensive team in the National League somehow.
Outside of the Reds, this division played out exactly like most of us thought it would:
- The Cubs were fucking terrible, fell of a cliff, moved Derrek Lee. (Present sweep excluded, DAMMIT!!!)
- Milwaukee’s pitching did them in, even though they have an offense that scores runs. On the bright side, they have two more years of Randy Wolf’s 7 figure salary! Where’s ol’ Pete when you need him?
- The Astros and Pirates are in full on rebuilding mode.
Not to toot my own horn here, but I thought the Reds had a chance to be good, I was just totally wrong in how they did it. I thought it would be pitching carrying them as Arroyo had a career contract year (and he’s been good), Bailey built on last year, Harang had a resurgence, etc. Instead, they’ve just scored a shitload of runs completely out of left field.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Right here
Remember your theory that Wolf was a stupid signing was because he was probably going to be injured.
Injured yes
And he very well could be injured in one of the next two years, which would probably be a blessing right now as I’m sure they have some kind of insurance that would pay some of his salary were he to get injured. In fact, I’m surprised that they haven’t put BBQ sauce on his left arm in an attempt to get Prince Fielder to eat it.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
They did put BBQ sauce on it but Prince wouldn't eat it cause he's a vegetarian.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he's insured. . .
those insurance policies are very expensive, and probably cost-prohibitive for all but the highest dollar contracts.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 16, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he could be injured
hasn’t had problems this year though. You also thought signing Doug Davis was a good move.
Besides losing the plate, losing velocity, and being ineffective
You’re right, he’s definitely earning that contract….
Not to mention that those are all things that indicate possible arm problems.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Its not going to happen just because of your hate
Is Carpenter and Wainwright’s declining effectiveness indicate injuries? Is Penny earning his contract? How about Doug Davis?
I said Doug Davis was good move
because he was low risk, medium reward. And Wolf hasn’t been much better and you have to pay him for TWO MORE YEARS. Davis is off the payroll at the end of this year unless the team decides to pick up his option.
That’s why it was a good move, it’s one year and he’s been a league average #3 starter in the past. It’s not my fault your team doesn’t have any starting pitching in the minor leagues to fill their rotation with. But signing Randy Wolf to a contract that no other team was willing to give him was just silly. You can either admit that or not, but it appears I’m correct in that assumption.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
At least you admit its an assumption
Guess what, the team that signs a FA usually gives that player a contract that no other team was willing to give.
I don't see how you can possibly defend that multi-year signing
I just don’t. Other than being a complete homer, it makes no sense.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
August 18, 2010 vs. Cardinals in St. Louis
Wolf: 8.1 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 4 SO, 1 R, 1 ER
Brewers won 3-2. One of too many examples where our pitching held the other team’s offense down well, yet the club lost because the offense went missing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, 3 of the best 5 is definitely going too far
You could still make the argument that we had the best top three of a rotation. The Phillies might have us beat right now but they traded for Oswalt and didn’t start with him. We’ve had our top three all year. I can’t think of anyone else in the NL who had that for a full or near full season, but I’m probably just forgetting someone.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
3 of the best 5 is absolutely going too far.
But, 3 of the top 25 probably is not going too far. That is still some very, very good pitching.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
To be sure, the Cards had a very good top three...
I was just pointing out that we weren’t close to having 3 out of the 5 best starters in the NL.
To your point, the Phillies are better now with Oswalt (14.2 total fWAR among top three versus 12.5 for the Cards). The Marlins also had 12.5 fWAR with their top three – Johnson, Sanchez, and Nolasco. The Dodgers had 11.7 fWAR – Kershaw, Kuroda, and Billingsly.
To my broader point – the Cards were nothing more than an above-average team, certainly not some juggernaut that was unlucky or got so mismanaged as to destroy the team’s true talent level.
For 2010, the Cards were tied for 8th (w/ the Cubs) in the NL in wOBA, 8th in FIP, and 10th in UZR/150. The Cards don’t have a better run differential than any of the teams currently slated to make the playoffs or than the teams actually contending for the wild card.
Maybe we’d be closer to making the playoffs with better/luckier run distribution, or some better roster and game management, but it’s just not that shocking that this team isn’t going to make the playoffs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, looking at the season now
It really isn’t surprising. We’ve now performed like a decent but not great team.
However, “on paper” we should have been much better than this. And for most of the season we had performed like a team that should be doing better than it was doing. Our latest batch of crappiness killed that dream.
I figured the Phillies would have a better top three, but I didn’t realize that the Marlins’ top three was basically as good as ours. Or the Dodgers, though I should have since I’ve had Kuroda and Billingsley alternately on my fantasy team this year.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think it IS shocking this team didn't make the playoffs.
I was not supremely confident at the beginning of the season, as Freese was an unknown quantity, Jaime was unknown, Lohse had one working arm. But…
We had a core that I would put up against any other team’s. It was unexpected that Penny would rip in half on a grandslam, that Boog would be miserable offensively, that Pujols would look near-human, Holliday would be average w/RISP, Lopez would suck offensively, our 3B would destroy his ankles, Lohse’s arm would find some first-time injury and then his psyche would go Titanic on us, Ludwick would be injured and then be worse than 2009, or that the Reds would keep winning like they have (save recent attempts to make a race of the NL Central).
Bad stuff happened. Then our Front Office happened, and bad roster decisions happened. Our team as currently constructed couldn’t win any division. But our Opening Day roster was built to win the NL Central. I feel it’s safe to say that most people expected a 90-93 win team, which seemed to be more than enough for a comfortable division title.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Sep 16, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
(other than: Penny ripped himself up in the previous start.)
My anger is reserved for how the team and organization responded to all these problems. I can’t think of a decision where the problem wasn’t exacerbated. Other than Albert ‘cause he’s Albertian.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah Albert...
It is amazing how spoiled I am with him. He’s like KFC, so s-o g-double o-d good!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
KFC sucks actually.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope!
Have you seen the commercials? It says that they are “s-o g-double o-d good!”
And they have the double down. No bun!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I do have to agree that
the double is very interesting, in an artery hardening sort of way.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 17, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
Nah. Just grew up eating real fried chicken and I can’t stand wannabees
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 17, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You've just listed a bunch of "bad" things and said they were unexpected....
Even if you didn’t know what they were, didn’t you expect a bunch of injuries, uneven performances by players and other teams, etc.? If you knew the particulars of other teams, couldn’t you make an analogous (or worse) list for them?
Moroever, were the 2010 Cards all that unlucky? Wainwright, Carp, Pujols, and Holliday were essentially healthy and performed to expectations all year. We didn’t lose our best players to injury or non-performance. And some complementary players performed above expectation – Garcia, Jay, while some performed below expectation – Lohse, Lopez.
Last, it looks very likely that at least one and maybe two teams that will win 90 games won’t make the playoffs.
In sum, I don’t think the FO or TLR or some of the players did a good job this year. But in reality, it shouldn’t be shocking that this team isn’t going to make the playoffs – it’s just an above-average team, nothing special, and other teams just like it also won’t make the playoffs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is mostly unfair hindsight. . .
the problem wasn’t the roster construction at the beginning of the season. . . it was how the team (Mo? TLR?) reacted to the problems.
Think about the redundancies built in to the Opening Day (40-man) roster:
Infield:
Lopez was widely acclaimed as the best available utility infielder available, so good that the Cards (justifiably, IMHO, although I disagreed with it at the time) dealt death stare Lugo. Tyler Greene provided depth behind Lopez, with the added benefit of playing SS and having the promise of pop. You even had Ruben Gotay, which looked like an inspired signing as your 3rd or 4th utility infielder. And then there was Allen Craig, who many thought would be a good stopgap at 3B. On paper, on Opening Day, this looks to be a pretty deep group with upside. A little light offensively, perhaps, thanks to Ryan and the uncertainty of whether David Freese could hit major league pitching, but deep enough to cover a resonable level of injury attrition.
Outfield:
Arguably, the starting OF projected to be one of the best 2 or 3 in the NL, with Jon Jay, and Nick Stavinhoa, and Joe Mather. Oh, and Allen Craig. Admittedly, this is a pretty thin group on Opening Day, and if there is any worthy criticism, it would be of this group.
Starting Rotation:
Carp, Waino, Penny, Lohse, Garcia
That projected to be one of the top 2 to 3 rotations in the NL, right up there with the Dodgers, Phillies, and maybe the Padres and Braves. From a depth perspective, you had the ghost of Rich Hill, Adam Ottavino, and the rightful heirs of Brad Thompson’s throne. Eh, that’s not great, but it’s not markedly different from any other team’s upper minors depth, save maybe the Padres, or perhaps the Mets.
Bullpen:
This is relatively irrelevant, because bullpen performances are notoriously hard to project, so I’ll give it reaonably short shrift. The bullpen projected to be fine. Not great, but good enough, and with plenty of depth from guys like Salas and Walters and Boggs. And it’s been just that. Fine. Not great, but not bad.
On paper, this was a team that looked to be built to win the Central, and with an outstanding top 2 starting pitchers + plus the best of Penny/Lohse/Garcia/mid-season acquisition, also looked to be built for playofff success.
The team survived Skippy’s inexplicable slow start, Boog’s awful start, and Molina turning back into a back-up catcher quality bat.
Then Freese got hurt, Rasmus, um, was unavailable, Penny died, and the front office either (A) panicked and/or (B) gave into TLR’s darker side of roster construction, which made a deteriorating situation into a rapidly deteriorating situation. Giving TLR a Miles and a Winn hurt, and misidentifying the greater need (another arm as a hedge against Garcia’s IP count vs. another bat for the offense) hurt more.
Meanwhile, Skpppy turned back into himself with the bat, Boog turned away frm the abyss so that his glove would be enough to justify his offensive stylings (all else being equal). But on the other side of the ledger, Lopez turned into the Boog of the first half with the bat while turning into Dave Kingman with the glove all at the same time that he was needed to play 3B, and Yadi still couldn’t hit his way out of a paper bag. Oh, and Tykler Greene got hurt/screwed/railroaded/just deserts. Then Pete Happy.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 16, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What's really bizarre is that this team managed to take an OK pick up under normal circumstances
in Randy Winn, and turn it into a completely unnecessary move. Winn has a .343 wOBA against righties. That’s not bad at all. The problem is, we have Jon Jay. He really makes Winn redundant. He plays better defense than Winn. Winn can switch hit, but he’s been horrible against lefties this year, and was horrible against them last year. I am pretty sure he has, on the whole, been worse against lefties his entire career. So while he’s not really a Miles or a Stav (or a MacDougal or Suppan or a Feliz or etc.) he’s pretty much taking up space that he need not take up.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Little known fact
“Randy Winn” is esperanto for “Skip Schumaker”
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Was this a response to my post?
The point of my post was that it was NOT helpful to use hindsight to identify various injuries or inconsistent performances to explain the team’s season. Ab initio, the team is going to expect a certain amount of injuries or inconsistent performances. Moreover, in the Cards’ case, our best players were not injured and did perform according to expectations, so there should have been less variation to expectations.
Bottom line – there’s little to suggest that this Cards team is or was truly any better than other above-averge teams that won’t make the playoffs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a fine argument to make
But the NL Central is arguably the worst division in baseball. The Reds were a surprise to everyone. Even an above-average team that wouldn’t make the playoffs in the NL East, or NL West could be expected to win the NL Central.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I disagree with your contention. . .
that this team was, at Opening Day, anyhting but a prohibitive favorite to make the playoffs.
On paper, pretty much everybody and their brother, whether sabre-friendly or not, was predicting the Cards to make the playoffs, and with good reason.
On Opening Day, you had a team that had the best hitters at their position in the league at 1B, and LF, above-average hitters at their poition in CF, RF, C, and 2B, a below-average offensive SS with dazzling defensive skills of the sort needed in front of a ground-ball pitching staff, and an offensive question mark only at 3B.
You had one of the top 2 or 3 starting rotations in the NL, and bullpen that probably projected to be top-third.
That is a team that should, absent horrible “luck”, or roster mismanagement, make the playoffs.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said...
the Cards weren’t the favorite to make the playoffs out of the NL Central on opening day so not I’m not sure where you read that in anything I wrote.
What I am saying is in opposition to your last statement. This team just isn’t any better than the other above-average teams like the Giants, Rockies, Braves, Reds, Phillies, Padres, some of whom won’t make the playoffs, just like the Cards. No “horrible” luck or atrocious roster mismanagement caused the Cards to miss the playoffs; they didn’t make the playoffs because they weren’t actually any better than their competition for a limited number of playoff spots.
This wasn’t a 100+-win squad that got crushed by the GOBs. It was just an above-average squad that things didn’t break right for.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
this entire thread is about the things that didn't break right.
I’m still not sure where the argument is.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
then lengthen your attention span...
this thread started when someone blamed the GOBs and TLR for not winning…
GOBs = evil bastards
When it comes down to it, TLR failed. He was given the best team, with the best chance to win, and he failed. he had 3 of the best 5 starting pitchers in the NL, and the best position player in the NL, and he couldn’t win the weakest division in the ML.
The whole point was that this Cards team didn’t succumb to the GOBs (at least any more than any other team) and didn’t lose “because of” TLR. Rather, the team just wasn’t that great to begin with and certainly wasn’t appreciably better than a host of other teams, including several that also won’t make the playoffs.
If you’re going to keep chiming in, try to at least follow along.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
are you determined to call everyone on this board an idiot?
It was just an above-average squad that things didn’t break right for.
You said.
A point which I, and other posters, expanded upon by saying all they had to do was get out of the NL Central. What part of this does not put them in the playoffs? Not to mention I, and other posters have said quite clearly that it was in the response to circumstances that was really open to criticism.
If you’re determined to miss everyone else’s point, in favor of being condescending, have fun answering yourself in your own thread. I’m not going to bother re-pasting it in response to you.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This is what he does all the time
Act like he’s smarter than everyone else while obfuscating his arguments so you can’t pin him down on anything, all while being condescending about how we’re all too stupid to understand what he’s saying.
It’s frustrating to say the least.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Your arguments don't get any better by making personal attacks.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 17, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not attacking you personally
I’m simply describing your attitude towards everyone else here. It comes out every time you disagree with someone, to the point where you take an argument that has a high degree of clarity and then add a bunch of shade to it so it looks like it’s all shaded in gray, all without really saying anything substantial. This is kind of your M.O. here, I just don’t know if you realize that.
Sometimes people need an eye-opening to truly understand how people react to what they say. I hope that this is yours. It’s definitely helped me from time to time.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Coming from the least self-aware person here...
your comment is quite rich, but ceratianly apropos coming from you. I do however freely admit that I don’t think you’re as smart as you think you are.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 17, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you're still not getting it
Least self aware? Mirror. Find one. Stand in front of it. Look. Thanks.
As far as being smart, I’m not the one who constantly is telling everyone they don’t understand my argument when my argument doesn’t make any sense. As far as that goes, explain yourself better and you wouldn’t have that air of condescension that goes into every one of your posts. It’s annoying, frustration, and more often than not, boring.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Dude, wake up.
The reason I’m condescending to you is because I think you’re the worst condescending bully/blowhard on this board. Go look at your past posts. You can’t argue with anyone without cursing and calling them names.
It’s so funny you say “boring” because you can’t resist arguing with me. You’re so easy to tweak.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 17, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Who's calling names?
Holy crap. You can apply everything you say about me to yourself 5 times over.
You are not the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
and keep in mind
When it comes to personal attacks, YOU’RE THE JERK THAT STARTED IT.
If you’re going to keep chiming in, try to at least follow along.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You can't make a statement like this:
To my broader point – the Cards were nothing more than an above-average team, certainly not some juggernaut that was unlucky or got so mismanaged as to destroy the team’s true talent level.
And then expect everyone here to agree with you. In fact, that statement in and of itself is begging for an argument, and you fucking know it. You incite the TLR haters, then say you didn’t, then get pissed off when people call you out for obfuscation and condescension.
Yadi2 had it right here:
If you’re determined to miss everyone else’s point, in favor of being condescending, have fun answering yourself in your own thread. I’m not going to bother re-pasting it in response to you.
/emphasis mine.
That’s exactly what you do all the time. This whole entire thread was about the team that should have been (expectations), not the team that currently is (current reality).
Then there’s this gem:
If you’re going to keep chiming in, try to at least follow along.
Follow along with who? You? Because to follow along with you actually missed the ENTIRE POINT OF THE INITIAL POST. It’s you that needs to follow along, instead of thread-jacking because you take an issue with how someone says something and then repeatedly saying you didn’t imply anything by your posts which clearly imply and outwardly state that you didn’t think this team was that good to begin with.
They either were good to start with and got undermined by some injuries and poor roster and player management (what we believe), or they just weren’t that good to begin with (what you seem to be saying but keep walking it back every other post). Either define what your position is or stop telling us to “follow along” with your inane bullshit.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I still think given really good luck
regarding injuries rather than moderately bad that this team had a chance at 2004-2005 era domination, and prior to the Phillie-phortification, could have been the best team in the NL
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 16, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
and I do think if one wants to ascribe value to a manager
that I have a hard time seeing what positive contributions TLR made to this team.
He sacrificed individual games many times this year so that the team could have “bullets” or “dry-powder” or “fair” shots at winning future contests. Turns out Past-Tony didn’t really do Future-Tony any favors.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 16, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
I don’t see how TLR added value to the team this year, though I’m of the camp that doesn’t think managers add/subtract much value either way. I definitely don’t think he cost the team 8 games or whatever the deficit is now.
However, I still don’t think this team had some sort of particularly bad luck with injuries. True bad luck would have been serious injuries to Pujols or Holliday or WW or Carp or Molina or Rasmus. This didn’t happen. Again, I just think the Cards weren’t that special.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I don't think they had particularly bad luck
but if they’d have had really good luck regarding injuries (Penny pitches 150 innings, Ludwick stays mostly healthy and here, Freese) then I think they cruise. Of course it’s not wise to bank on really good injury luck.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 16, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
The quoted statement has some exagerations. We did not have 3 of the 5 best pitchers. Nor probably the best overall team. But we did have a talented enough original roster to win the NL Central.
Injuries happen to every team, inconsistent play happens to players on every team. But the Cardinals had injuries in spots that were essential to our team’s success (4,5 spot in rotation, a surprisingly strong offensive 3B). Important players played surprisingly bad (Boog offensive, Floppy). The Cardinals front office handled these problems extremely badly. Tough breaks hurt this team, but bad moves (ie. Miles, Supp, Feliz) destroyed this season.
Maybe we weren’t appreciably better than several other teams, but we didn’t have to be appreciably better than any of the teams in the NL West/East, just the Central. And our team should have been. For whatever reason (“be it luck, be it karma…”, be it whatever) we were not. Thus it is surprising (and frustrating) that this team did not make the playoff.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I agree we had enough talent to win the NL Central and started out as the favorite
but hopefully the FO didn’t construct the roster in the hopes of being just a bit better than the dreck in the NL Central.
Take BP’s third order wins – the Cards are 8th in the NL. 8th. Behind teams like the Marlins and Dodgers. The Cards just aren’t that good.
All I’m saying is that I think this notion that the GOBs, TLR, injuries, luck, etc., etc. caused this mess is mistaken. There’s no need to create some narrative to explain the failure. What best explains the Cards current record is that the team is just an above-avg. team, nothing special, an no better than a host of other teams. It just isn’t that good.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 16, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What were we in 3rd order wins before Penny, Freese, and Lohse went down?
You know, in April, when we were looking like a 100 win team?
The team isn’t that good because the team has had to deal with some down years from role players (like Schumaker, Ryan, and Molina, and yes, Yadi is a role player) and some pretty significant injuries at positions where we did not have good depth (Freese at 3B, Penny and Lohse in the rotation).
Now, name me another team that lost 2/5 of it’s starting rotation for 3+ months and is still in first place. Please, any time. Waiting…………..
We dealt for a pitcher at the deadline to help address these issues, and Westbrook has been great. The issue, however, were the moves that we made to address the loss of players on offense — by filling those spots with players that sucked at offense (like Winn, MIles, and Feliz). If you can’t see that these were TLR guided moves, I don’t know what to tell you. He has a soft spot for veteran role players like this and has for his entire career. Are the internal options better? Jay certainly has been, and we really need to find out what we have in Allen Craig and Tyler Greene, because if they aren’t going to be productive players, we need to move them out of the organization and replace them.
This is how you think long term by trying to win in the short term. I certainly don’t remember teams like Minnesota, who cobbles together a contender every year using a budget lower than ours, picking up shitty veteran cast-offs when they have players get hurt. They move guys up from the minors.
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Minnesota
has had a bunch of significant injuries including Mauer, Hardy, Nathan and Slowey. They also didn’t replace them all with minor leaguers.
Nathan was replaced with in-house options (Jon Rauch, Matt Guerrier, Jessie Crain)) for most of the season
Until they could get Brian Fuentes and Matt Capps for next to nothing, and Rauch is still leading the team in Saves at this point. Their bullpen was a problem, and they dealt from strength to get those guys and bolster it for the stretch run — they didn’t sign every Tom, Dick, and Harry that ended up on the scrap heap (Jeff Suppan, Nate Robertson, etc.) The reason they could do this is because they develop good talent and they don’t have to be buyers every year, so they have a good depth of talent to deal from.
Mauer was replaced with an in-house option (Drew Butera, and they tried their top prospect Ramos there as well) until he returned.
Hardy’s replacements were Nick Punto, Brendan Harris, and Matt Tolbert All those guys were drafted by the Twins. Alexi Casilla also saw limited time there and was traded to the Twins when he was in AA.
Slowey’s rotation spot was filled by Brian Duensing, Jeff Manship, Glen Perkins, and Matt Fox — all guys drafted by the Twins. Slowey is still on pace for 28 starts, as well, meaning he might have missed five all year.
I don’t see any Aaron Miles’ or Randy Winn’s on their roster. I don’t see guys cut by other teams taking up roster space from prospects like Danny Valencia.
I would hardly call Hardy and Slowey significant injuries. One guy missed 5 starts and was back, and the other was filled in by guys who are nearly as good as he is and only had 2 short DL stints all year. That’s not even a good comparison for losing 2 starting pitchers for 3+ months of a season and your starting third baseman for the year in June.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You're correct
This 2010 team has an above average record and will not make the playoffs. This was caused by them not having as many wins as 4 other teams that also had above average records.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
The Cardinals were projected to be between 88 and 95 wins this year
That was before we knew how good Jaime, Colby and Freese would be.
Yes, this team was a juggernaut. Even with all of the injuries and underperformances, the team still has a 91 win Pytahg pace.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 18, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh...
I think I have to go with Branch Rickey on this one.
The team might be unlucky, but much of that luck is due to poor design.
You have a team full of guys that don’t walk, don’t hit for power, don’t play good defense, and are as slow as molasses. In theory some of them hit for average, but this is the aspect of hitting that is more reliant on luck than anything else.
And putting in Hawksworth is pretty much a guarantee you’re not going to win that game. I’d rather see Aaron Miles pitch than him.
by DiscoJer on Sep 16, 2010 3:29 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Oh my yes!
I had to come here and rec this before I made it out of the italics.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 16, 2010 4:32 AM EDT reply actions
migflurry did it for me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh don't get me wrong,
but the migflurry was just the orange slice on the glass of orange slice for me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
complete thoughts, dumbass...
oh don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed all of it….but the migflurry was just the orange slice on the glass of orange slice for me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
complete thoughts are overrated
i’ve discovered that as long as it’s not american pop culture, star trek related or about cartoons you watched when you were children i can read veb minds
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
what am i thinking riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight now!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
bacon, bourbon, brownies.
or possibly bacon bourbon brownies.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
novelty hat
GOB AOL Assholery
Edward Jones Dome
It’s all just ever so delicious
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 16, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So is this rock bottom?
Getting swept by a 5th place Cubs team at Busch (which hasn’t happened since 1988).
Sorry but this team is embarrassing right now. I just hope the team hasn’t lost all pride and can finish the year with a record over .500. Maybe after they catch up with their old friend Ryan Ludwick today it will bring a smile to a few faces and they can win a few over the weekend.
Mo REALLY has his work cut out for him this winter. Some changes have to be made on probably a limited budget (depending on the Pujols contract talks) and it’s not going to be easy with a thin free agent class and limited attractive trade pieces in house. But in my opinion Mo has to change things up. Some new personalities need to be infused to this team. Logic says Tony should go and we NEED fresh eyes making decisions along with a new coaching staff…even if it means Duncan goes. But logic doesn’t have a job for life with the Cards and Tony will probably be back and we will go through this another year….BUT with hopefully more player depth and a little better offensive line-up along with better defense in the infield……AND A LITTLE MORE LUCK!?!?!? Is that too much to ask GOB?
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
be more specific.
luck goes both ways
you’ve done it now
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no mo does not have his work cut out for him
he just needs to do things that are common sense… go to tony larussa, ask him to respectfully retire as to avoid public embarrasment
then drop the crap (miles, stav, feliz, etc.)
go with current team with Greene and healthy Freese (even Lopez works)
maybe one or two signings to fill a SP void (Westy?) and maybe a 4th outfielder….
there is literally no one on the FA market
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 16, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I used to agree with this, but now I'm not so sure
Can Freese be counted on to stay healthy? Not so sure.
The bats around Pujollidaymus is not adequate, even with Freese fully healthy, it seems we need one more threatening bat, or at least a competent leadoff hitter/table-setter (Jay, Skip, Boog haven’t been sufficient this year, but maybe next year…who knows).
Add Westy to our pitching staff and that is a really good 4. But we need a better 5th starter.
Now there are quite possibly in-house solutions, and being even with GOB/SOB (payback for ‘06 WS run?) will definitely help. But, I’m just not very certain that adding several piece isn’t necessary.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
We do need a legitimate OBP player outside of Pujols and Holliday.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
ICHIRO!
And have you seen him climb walls, that dude is a ninja. Nobody messes with a ninja… not even GOB.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Agreed
Though Rasmus has been a great surprise this year OBP-wise, and maybe Jay can keep it near .350 in 2011.
But you’re right, another OBP guy is a necessity. Man, I wish we’d taken a shot with Kelly Johnson before AZ got him on the cheap.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
Jay is either going to have to up his power or cut down on the Ks to approach .350
And usually those two things go against each other.
Not afraid to nitpick
Or, he could just keep getting lucky, which likely won't happen.
Jay has a .308 BA, .358 BABIP, 18.8 LD%, and .360 OBP. Something has to give. Jay seems unlikely to hit over .300 next season or get on-base at anything higher than a league-average rate (.324 this season). I believe that you have done the math on Jay’s slash line with a league-average BABIP, haven’t you?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
When I say OBP guy, I mean someone who is getting on at something higher than a .360 OBP.
Kelly Johnson has an awesome walk rate this season; although, I wonder how far his OBP would fall if he weren’t the beneficiary of a .323 BABIP. .350ish? I really don’t know the answer to this question.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Honestly
I dunno why this guy’s name doesn’t come up constantly around here.
I gave up beating the Kelly Johnson drum
I never totally bought the splits argument and really really wanted us to get him, like, two or three seasons ago.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Skip Schumaker to second killed any possibility of the Cards acquiring him.
What’s more, I don’t think TLR would pencil him in as the regular starting second baseman when he has Miles and Lopez (in terms of 2010, if you accept that Johnson and Lopez are not mutually exclusive acquisitions). Johnson would probably see as much playing time as Adam Kennedy did in his time here, if I had to guess.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
keeping tlr needs t begin with a discussion that keeping apu means lots of memhians on the 25 man roster
he doesn’t get to have the also ran vets
i vote floppy, stav, miles, hawk, soup, mac-d, pork chop off the island
stuck with schu
take on tg, jay, craig, maclane (as a loogy), +/- bombs
car2 plays 3rd at memphis until tastee gets hurt
not throw winn away too soon, but consider moving schu back to a spiezo-like role
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
The last month has been misery
watching this team spunk it at every available opportunity.
However, this post made me smile. So a rec for that.
Solid piece
Chokes you up a little bit though. I’m ironically waiting on a flight to St. Louis to see a couple games, so here’s hoping the acknowledgement to the GOBs convinces them to take a night off.
Red Means Go.
by bigwilley18 on Sep 16, 2010 6:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
bastard coated bastards
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
don't forget the filling.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the aaron miles gag
Is a GREAT summary of this season.
by sdrone on Sep 16, 2010 9:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
yeah ! and Feliz was the icing on the poison cake. great writing DanUp thanks for the smile
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Sep 16, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
End of season take home exam
Essay question #1:
Are the Gods of Baseball better described as Cthonic gods, or as Apollonian gods? (Or both? Or neither?). Make your argument citing specific examples from the text (the 2010 baseball season of the St. Louis Cardinals). You may use the text, your notes, and online sources. Cow-related puns are also acceptable.
Remember to include a subject line in your essay. Failure to do so will result in points being taken off.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
They are all Loki.
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Sep 16, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we will get a higher draft pick and there is Premiere League, Champions League, NCAA football, and NFL football to district one.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but I live in district two :(
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If Gene Chizik were my team's head coach, NCAA football would probably frustrate me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
10-5 overall record, #16 in the country, 2-0 this season
So frustrating
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
(although I would argue that Gus Malzahn is much more essential to our success than Chiz)
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
All with Tommy Tuberville's recruits
Just wait until he starts recruiting his own talent and has to play them. You’re in for a really fun couple of years then…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
All while watching Texas Tech experience success.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
TT beats Texas on Saturday
Book it. Classic Tuberville upset. I’m rooting for him, but he kinda got to the La Russa stale bread point.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 17, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realize he hauled in a top 5 recruiting class last year, don't you?
He’s well on his way to doing it again this year. How did Paul Rhoads do in recruiting at ISU anyway?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Sep 17, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Rhoads has signed two of the best classes in school history actually
I do realize he hauled in a top 5 recruiting class. You realize that you have to actually develop that talent, right? He did a terrible job with this at ISU. On the bright side, at least he didn’t hire a bunch of shitty assistant coaches when he went to Auburn. Wayne Bolt is nowhere to be found on the Tigers’ sideline.
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Isn't it something
that the Cards are still outdrawing the Reds at home games by at least double and, in some cases, 2 1/2 times? Cripes, I can’t even stand to watch them on TV anymore and people won’t go see the Reds games? Will they even sell out their playoff games?
oh my
I didn’t even think who their opponent might be.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Isn't if funny that people were bemoaning the 2006 World Series as a terrible for baseball from a TV standpoint
As if it couldn’t get worse than that.
Think about a Tampa v. Cincy or Tampa v. Colorado World Series. Who’s watching THAT? Especially on a Sunday or Monday night when the NFL is on or on Saturday against the College Football GOTW?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
what did they say the reds drew last night
12 thousand?
and now imagine late november WS is colorado. they’ll have to plow snow out of the stadium
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Colorado will show up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'm not questioning the fans showing up
hell, i’d root for the rox in a ws that is not against us
but why is the postseason so damn late in the fall?
by that time snow falls in places like colorado
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
That whole Wild Card thing...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Colin Cowherd had the most ridiculous take on this yesterday that I've ever heard.
Basically that MLB should cut the schedule down to 140 games, eliminate “some off days”, and make the playoffs start on Labor Day weekend every year, while adding an extra team or two to the playoffs and giving the top two division winners first round bye’s. Because “baseball just can’t compete with football”.
No, it can’t, because all football happens on two days of the week Colin, you fucking idiot. If baseball simply didn’t have games on the weekends and started games at 7:30 PM EST, they’d do a 12-15 share nationally or better in the playoffs no matter who was playing. You can’t compare baseball ratings to football ratings, because football ensures that you will only get to watch two games at noon and one game at 3:30 and one game at 7:30 and another game on Monday night. Considering some of the shit matchups I’ve seen on Monday night in the past, people would choose the World Series over it occasionally I’m sure.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Sep 16, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
not to mention that it would completely ruin baseball for me
shortening it to 140 games and making the playoffs in september is dumb…
i really don’t give a shit if it conflicts with football, just take you’re chances
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 16, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
colin cowherd is the dumbest sportscaster I've ever had the displeasure of hearing
Especially about baseball; he’s of the school of blowhard sportsbar know-nothings who thinks, say, that that Babe Ruth sure was fat—he must have sucked wind at baseball.
I want the long season, and the slog, and the interminable races; Colin Cowherd and football can have the playoffs, for all I care.
That whole diatribe came AFTER
he stated that the NBA and NHL suck because nothing matters until the playoffs. He apparently likes to refute his arguments before he makes them.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It's amazing how uninterested general sports fans in this area are about the Reds
I live in Louisville and this is supposed to be “Reds country” since their triple A team is here and there is NO talk about them here at all. I listen to some of the local sports talk radio shows and the Reds are not even mentioned. It’s all about the college sports (UK and Uof L). There is just not any interest is baseball in this area. It’s the same way in Lexington Ky as well.
I’m not even sure there will be any interest if the Reds were to somehow make the World Series either. Football and college basketball dominate. Sadly I think it’s like this in many areas of the country now.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Remember, that the Redbirds used to call Louisville home not too long ago...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
no one listens to a word i say do they?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
On the bright side
this is a nice catch by Rasmus.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
stuff was teetering before this moment... but the stick-shaker didn't kick in till then
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If only we had known.....
we could have all saved ourselves lots and lots of pain and suffering by just ignoring baseball from then until Rumorsgiving.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 16, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
by then, I was rather riveted to whether Boog would pull out of the tailspin
so I’m watching that storyline
I’m doomed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we also forget Piñeiro
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You had me at...
Our corporeal form is an illusion! We will appease your human request, but only because we find it amusing!
so UpBaby, while you are writing something like this
do you keep thinking how brilliantly genius-ly awesome it is?
can you type while patting yourself on the back and fist pumping at the same time?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
that doesn't leave hands free...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
what if you're fust pumping while patting yourself on the back
while giving yourself high fives..
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
UPGF is a cheerleader?
and just when i didn’t think i could be more jealous of dannyup
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Attagirl.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 17, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He's in the basement so
his hand is in his p -I mean, uh, sorry.
He’s just happy.
"Waid for me, mang! I'll ged you a Migflurry and you can put anything on it you wan'!"
comic gold
youneverknow
he's the voice of my generation!
Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round. The jar is round. They should call it round-tine.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 16, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
..
miklasz
Cardinals are changing player-development structure: http://bit.ly/au35TG 6 minutes ago via bitly
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Mo changes the player development structure!
What can we expect? Look for a re-distribution of duties, with the responsibility being allocated among more individual executives.
Quick, everybody check Luhnow’s twitter.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
mine has more information.
and it’s funnier.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
but how's your recovery time
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
knowing what everyone on veb thinks
is a double-edged sword
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S.
Don’t picture anything that VEB thinks.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
there are just some things that were not meant to be known
once you know those things, can’t known them
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
also, I do wish George Kissell's ghost would return and kick everyone's asses
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Good, Changes are Needed...
“The Cardinals apparently want to have a more consistent system in place for developing a model for teaching young players. Why? So the players will be more prepared to play the game the right way upon graduation to the major leagues.”
This should have already been in effect.
Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O
We could have used such a model in St. Louis for the Cardinals this season.
Oh, wait. Isn’t TLR the one who is supposed to make sure the Cards play the game the “right way”?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If everyone is supposed to be on the same page.
Does that mean that the babybirds will be trained to be ready for the double switch? Will they be shown how to be grittier? I want to see them bring in Bob Forsch as a low-minors pitching instructor. From what I’ve read, he does a helluva job teaching kids how to pitch.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No Cardinals in the Playoffs
For WHOM shall I cheer?
Possible NL teams:
Phillies: Nope, I took them in last year’s WS and lost a shame wager! OH THE SHAME!
Reds: Nope, too much of a little bitch, even though they have many former Cardinals
Padres: Possibly. They have Eck (who I loved because I was more physically imposing than him) and Stud Dick.
Rockies: I don’t think so. They’re consistent September greatness reminds me too much of our own malaise.
Giants: Possibly. They have a fat third-basemen, Freak, and Edgar.
AL Teams:
Yankees: F*ck off. I’m not a huge Yankee hater, I just can’t cheer for them. Although they took Fat Elvis from the ‘Stros.
Rays: Possibly. Joe Madden looks like Buddy Holly (undead version), but they remind me of what a “youth movement” should be… yuck.
Texas: Maybe. They have Ian Kinsler (I’m an MU homer), a former heroine fiend, and aren’t usual playoff suspects.
Twins: Maybe. They (like Rangers) are the underdogs. Underdogs are fun, as long as they aren’t the Astros.
I’m tepid (at best) on all… Who does VEB recommend?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I'm good with Pads
if only because their starting pitchers were All-Star snubbed
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah, Pads/Rays for me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Oh! I was looking for you
How rainy do you think Costa Rica would be in late May/early June?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well...
If Costa Rica is anything like Guatemala, expect rains to start a little later in the year. Somewhat around July, August and September. If you are lucky, late May and early June should have fantastic weather.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Well, this strikes me as surprising...
With a little more research, I am finding out that May is the start of the rainy season in Costa Rica… Huh, sucks to be them :)
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Meh
I’m researching places for my honeymoon… I had my heart set on Costa Rica for awhile, but if it’s going to be during the rainy season…
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Shall I recommend my dear hometown?
Way too many places to see and the weather is beautiful during those months. I can get you any info you need if you’re interested.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
I've been to Guatemala already, is the only issue
Beautiful country. Awesome chocolate.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
If you want to go to a foriegn land, just go to Kentucky.
Picturesque views and you can’t understand a word the people say.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
There is some real truth to this.
Also, bourbon distilleries every 10 miles.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
There is always that.
I do know some boys that make their own ’shine. Blow the seat right outta your drawers.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 17, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Forgot the Braves!
Bobby Cox going out in a blaze of glory! Swingin’ Dick in possible PH duty. This could work as well. Although their stadium is half-full for a surprisingly good team…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Braves all the way, assuming they don't pull a Cardinals and jettison the wheels before the finish line.
After that, meh.
by RollBirdsRoll on Sep 16, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Twins man.
That’s a well-built team that almost has the best record in baseball.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Really can't argue that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 17, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I apologize for the laziness...
But can someone make a quick Baby Birds update?
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Memphis is down 2-0 to Tacoma in the AAA Championship, I believe...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
maybe one of the lower GOB has possessed Tony Larussa
that would explain a lot
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
such as, Nick Stavinoha's presence on the roster
and Aaron Miles’
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Down go the Reds again...
…making this September swoon all the more frustrating, since they’re trying very hard to let us back in.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
yea, like a vampire
just couldn’t make itself go in the door, even though invited
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
it's a condition
called “clench”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
one of the most frustrating seasons ever
I suppose the Reds have to be able to make the playoffs somehow though (although their presence may be rather short lived)
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed loudly
at the Pujols dialogue
Winners train. Losers complain.
by Redbirds_n_Horns on Sep 16, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
It was so dead-on.
Masterfully done.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
OT - Tim Stauffer
The Padres starter tonight was profiled in the book “The Last Best League” by Jim Collins. It was about the Cape Cod League. Anyone read it? Its been awhile since I have, but there’s an interesting story on Stauffer. He was a high draft pick (4th overall) but injured his shoulder prior to signing. He ended up disclosing the injury, still signing with the Padres and getting almost nothing for a signing bonus. Pretty admirable that he didn’t even try to sign and then claim he got hurt afterwards. I’m sure I’m forgetting some details, but, generally, he seemed like a stand-up guy.
random...
sometimes I think Jaime Garcia has bought into this pie-eating, head-shaving cult, and really thinks the Cardinal Way is a book somewhere in Chris Carpenter’s luggage.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
with secret handshakes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Eckstein hits second. Ludwick hits fifth.
Prepare yourselves emotionally and stuff.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The next time SD plays Cincy, Eckstein should give Rolen the 2006 World Series MVP trophy that is rightfully Rolen's.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
which brother did he give it to?
is it the one who’s a coach now?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
my WS lore has leaked out of my skull.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, that was an eternity ago.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
YES
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He should be forced to buy Scott Rolen a new car.
And not one limited to whatever lame choice of three 2007 GM models Eckstein had. Eckstein should buy rolen whatever car Rolen wants and then get specialized plates that read: “06WSMVP.” (Iowa has a maximum seven-letter license plate, so this specialized plate would work here. I don’t know about Indiana or Ohio or wherever Rolen lives nowadays.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
and then buy his kids cars
when they’re old enough
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ohio is 7 letters/numbers as well
it’s also $150 per year for personalized plates which is a freaking rip off. it was always $25 per year then two years ago they raised it to $50 then this year they raised it to $150. bastards
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
caution: lineup may contain MLB-like substances
schumaker 4
jay 9
pujols 3
holliday 7
rasmus 8
molina 2
ryan 6
westbrook 1
greene 5
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 16, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
a reasonable lineup
better late than never?
by YesWeOquendo on Sep 16, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't we playing for a higher draft pick?
Where are Feliz and Miles?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Never thought I would see somebody type that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if he'll ever see the birds on the bat, but
has anyone noticed that Amaury “the destroyer of all” Cazana has put up a .305/.353/.496 line at Memphis?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Yeah, I saw that a couple of weeks ago.
I think they’re afraid the world will tip on it’s axis and send us into another ice age if they bring him up.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How fun would it have been if they had called him up for September?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that would ruin the draft pick
the Reds would be eatin dust
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine what would've happened if he'd been up here for "the brawl".
Cueto wouldn’t have needed to worry about a suspension, Amaury would’ve blown him apart with a word.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the Reds would be erased from existence
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Luhnow was wondering why he wasn't up
he also said he knew him well…. and that he was an enigma.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
perhaps MLB has an agreement to not let him play in the majors
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud's just afraid!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
then stuff happened
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Albert & Marti can't play on the same team, field, or league
heck they are tempting fate by playing on the same planet & universe. normally when beings like them get to close to each other this happens
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
did Ludwick and Westbrook ever play for the Indians at the same time?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Pretty sure Goold makes
a semi-subtle nod at today’s VEB post in his Bird Land.
“Tonight at Busch Stadium, thanks to some celestial imp taking care of baseball writers everywhere, the raging debate of the St. Louis Cardinals 2010 season will manifest on the field.”
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 16, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
I am a bad fan:
Given that the Cardinals have exhausted any real meaning derived from winning a game, I hope Ludwick pummels Westbrook (nothing against Jake) tonight and gets himself back on track for a month+ career hot streak.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 16, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
oh man.
- Fox_Sports_MW #stlCards Ludwick happy to be back, asks us “so how does this work, do I go out and say hello to those guys?”. Talking about former team. 29 minutes ago via Echofon
- Fox_Sports_MW #stlCards As Ludwick was doing a group media session, Tony walked by and blew a kiss 27 minutes ago via Echofon
- Fox_Sports_MW #stlCards Ludwick sat with the Cat for a 1 on 1, that and Cards reaction to Luddy’s return all on the pregame at 630pm 25 minutes ago via Echofon
…no comment.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah
wtf
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
they just said it'll air.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
bizarre
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
if I'm interpreting this correctly,
Joe Strauss out of reach of the bloggers.
hmmmmm!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just freaked the fuck out at watching this video
He basically repairs the antennas at the top of towers
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
at that point, going up is "easy"
going down is the scary part… when you try and put you’re foot down and you’re freaking out cause it’s not hitting anything and then you’re hand slips and you start getting seriously scared and then you’re foot hits the metal and you’re hand slips and you think you just fell, but you’re foot luckily was on the metal already
repeat 25 fucking times till you get to the bottom
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 16, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Wear a parachute up, and base jump down.
That’s what I’d do.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'd do that, except I saw that video of that guy whose parachute got stuck....
scary shit
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So, do you think that was
the lens, or the curvature of the earth?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I cannot freaking believe he was climbing up those metal rods sticking out of the main tower
with no safety lines. Wouldn’t it have to be pretty windy at that height even on the calmest days?
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 16, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
first shots wick!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The Cat speaks of it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tony speaks of it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Skip is not anti-fraternization
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Westbrook says he's better looking that Cal Eldred.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cal tries to pin it on The Cat by saying a very small man had something to do with it. The Cat says, So David Eckstein was behind it
Now they’re talking about which man is more beautiful.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that darn Eldred
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
the Tony air-kiss will air.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Westbrook vs Ludwick
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:37 PM EDT reply actions
seconds later, bloggers were captured by a giant fishing net
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
those little arches are pretty cool
saw a few of them downtown in ’09
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
some of them were sold, I think?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it appears so
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i really wish someone would have swiped one for me, even if talking about it pissed off Az
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
ORLY
CardsInsider Mo thinks the payroll might increase for the club in the next couple of years #cardsSMN 16 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have been thinking this might happen
only way to afford Pujols
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and stay competitive
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
do we.... do we start baking?
is this a call to bake sale?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
someone direct us!
the troops are restless!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
one german chocolate cake, an angel food cake with strawberry filling, some carrot cake with cream cheese frosting
sounds good to me
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i need one chocolate cream & one coconut cream pie & brownies stat
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
ALL I WANT IS TWO LITTLE PIES?
ARE YOU TELLING ME HE CAN’T SPARE TWO LITTLE PIES?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
have you seen the size of his head
f’in gdm
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 17, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
it's got it's on solar system!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Eck shots
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's tough! he's durable! he's an inspiration!
but Mike’s right — he’s an overachiever.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Eckstein talks to Luddy!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the first day he was called up was his most memorable moment
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Luddy breaks the Cat's heart.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Eck and Luddy are tailor-made for a buddy movie.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
fuck those bastard coated bastards w/ bastard filling & bastard sprinkles &bastard whip cream on top
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
there were days when that comment would've gone green in seconds
i miss those days
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Sep 17, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
oh & danup, are you sure you forgot what they said in the missing 15min?
are you sure they didn’t erase your memory?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
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