The good news doldrums and Shelby Miller
by DanUpBaby on Sep 10, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
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Yesterday's game was a lot of fun, and I don't have a lot to say about that! Adam Wainwright kept himself just barely in range of 20 wins, the Cardinals kept themselves just barely in range of the Reds, and Colby Rasmus hit his 20th home run, which is an important baseball card number. Then he hit his 21st home run, which was just awesome.
(Sometimes I resent the playoffs—at this point, unless the Cardinals continue to gain on the Reds, the last 24 games have a kind of useless cast to them, just because the regular season now ends with a postseason tournament. The Cardinals would be well out of contention without the playoffs, but these last several games might at least have some bearing on the standings for pride's sake. When it's all a prelude to the playoffs, and there's no playoffs in the cards—well, at least it's not as bad as the NBA season.)
In any case, no Cardinal left his seasonal numbers worse than they stood Thursday afternoon, and there's something to be said for a game like that. In Baseball Mogul that's my favorite event of all, and the one I hope for most fervently when two or three of my players are within range of 100 RBI or 30 home runs or some other round number.
As if that weren't enough, I'd like to talk (belatedly) about Shelby Miller's Midwest League playoff performance, which was so good that I will laboriously copy it here in its entirety:
| IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | ERA | |
| Miller, S (W 1-0) | 7.0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 13 | 0 | 0.00 |
There isn't much that can be said about the Cardinals' good Thursday that isn't variations on how incredibly fun it was to watch. But I don't think we've said enough about how good Shelby Miller has been this entire year.
The Cardinals haven't had an outstanding lower-level pitching prospect in a long time—Dan Haren came into his own in AA, and Anthony Reyes didn't show up on the radar at all until AA. It's been long enough, honestly, that lower-level pitching prospect handling has changed in the interim, and I don't think I was quite prepared, at the start of the season, for how brief some of Shelby Miller's appearances would be, or how long he'd take between starts for strictly instructional reasons. In the regular season he made 24 starts and threw 104 innings, significantly less than five a start. He had those long gaps where he seemed to disappear, and then there was July, where Cards Talk had him dangled in front of every scuffling team that had a pitcher on an onerous contract.
All that made it tough to take the magnitude of his achievements into account. But in his age-19 season, pitching in the full-season Midwest League, Miller struck out 140 batters in 104 innings, against just 33 walks. After the All-Star Break is when his numbers started to look a little more like a starting pitcher's—he made 13 starts with a 2.86 ERA, and in 63 innings he struck out 84 and walked 18.
I think that because he was being treated with kid gloves I assumed he was struggling anymore—that he had a control problem, or allowed a lot of home runs, or struck out a lot of batters by running up wild counts on everybody. Instead, he's just pitched extremely well, while being handled with kid gloves.
Now that we have something to think about, this outstanding, weird seasonal line, I'll be following Shelby Miller with more interest, especially his innings pitched. Wherever he's assigned next year, he'll still be 20, well inside Baseball Prospectus's famous young pitcher injury nexus. His innings have to go up eventually, but it's a long way between 111 and 160, and between the Midwest League and Major League Baseball.
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I haven't had the opportunity to see Shelby pitch - live or otherwise
how are his mechanics? 13 Ks in 7 IP is incredible. His K:BB ratio is unbelievable. After what has happened to Strasburg, though, I worry about young pitchers with live arms.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I haven't seen him either
but I haven’t heard about any glaring mechanical issues yet. I worry about all young pitchers equally, though—there isn’t a single one I’m not convinced is fifty innings from elbow surgery until they’re 25.
is there some kind of Grim Reaper type entity
with a giant scalpel?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's my understanding of the situation.
he swings the scalpel in a pronounced inverted-W motion, too.
by DanUpBaby on Sep 10, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
some videos I found of him pitching.
2 minutes of his first start this year.
BP vs. gotay and mather in ST
Keith Law video with miller in HS.
interview
condensed april 21st start
warming up april 16th with production value only microsoft movie maker can give.
that’s about all i can find.
by CodyG on Sep 10, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that condensed start one is good
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
By all means, I've heard he has great mechanics
“Easy and effortless” is what I’m hearing most often
I’m not a BPro subscriber, but you can read some of Kevin Goldstein’s scouting report on Shelby here
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
for starters i guess
many “jerky” pitchers are relievers, probably because their arms couldnt handle throwing 100 pitches at once. i think its pretty common for minor leaguers with a difficult motion to quickly get moved to the pen.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
the other reason is that pitchers with herky-jerky motions often have control problems...
which leads them to the bullpen.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 10, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He had "violent" mechanics from the get-go. Shelby doesn't.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Sep 10, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Give Miller a shot to be in the rotation next Spring?
put him in the 5th spot and skip him whenever possible
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I'd be really wary of that, as much as I'd love to see it
Rick Ankiel got to the majors at 19-20 because he was putting up Shelby Miller’s K rate at Memphis.
when did Ankiel get TJ?
would he have still gotten it if he hadn’t of blown up his brain first?
and we are going to need a CF with a good arm soon when they trade Rasmus
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
is wasnt TJ,
but more of a development issue i think. maybe it would have happened anyway, but in hindsight its clear he wasnt really ready to handle the pressure. clearly the talent was there, but mentally i dont think he was prepared.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
There is a theory. . .
that the control problems were actually caused by his elbow starting to go bad, which in turn led to the mental problems. But it’s just a theory.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
it was after
In 2002, Ankiel sat out the season with a left elbow sprain, and was not cleared to throw until December. He returned to the minors in 2003, posting a 6.20 ERA in 10 starts before undergoing season-ending ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction (Tommy John surgery) for his left elbow in July. In 54.1 innings, he walked 49 batters and threw 10 wild pitches.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That doesn't disprove the theory
FWIW
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't mean that. . .
the control wasn’t caused by the start of an elbow problem, particularly since, from a diagnostic perspective:
loss of control = elbow
loss of speed = shoulder
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't damaged badly enough to matter till 2 years later
The theory is just making things up. You think they didn’t take MRIs on him when he lost it to begin with??
Not afraid to nitpick
he also managed to show off in rookie ball between head meltdown and elbow meltdown
.286/.364/.638 as a DH, 158 strikeouts to 18 walks in 88 innings as a pitcher in Johnson City in 2001. Awesome.
That just makes me a little more sad for what could've been.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 10, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know!
Can you imagine the Rick Ankiel that could get on base at a >.360! Wow!
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I wish I'd had a chance to watch him play in the appy league
he led the league in slugging percentage, he struck out 17 batters per nine innings, and he still only walked 11 times all year.
I don't know why some team doesn't try to convert him back to a pitcher
He’s been a miserable hitter for the past two years (now striking out over 35% of the time). Combined with his meh defense he’s basically a replacement level player, will probably be out of the bigs in a year or two if it keeps up.
Fire Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Sep 10, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
please no!
his development would be stunted almost beyond repair. sure, it could possibly work, but what would almost surely end up happening is (1) he does terrible and has to go back down, which is obviously bad, (2) he does great and is worked too hard, plus the playoffs, and his arm blows out, or (3) he does mediocre and never has a chance to really come into his own. he has stated himself that he is just now learning how to pitch as opposed to just blowing the heater by hitters. i cant imagine that he is even close to being ready.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
here is an article
from the main page with plenty of good quotes. to wit,
“I’m getting adapted to professional ball. Coming out of high school, I’m surprised how much harder it’s been. The hitters are better, the strike zone is smaller. You’re not going to throw a fastball by everyone. Using offspeed more in the second half, that’s been helping me out a lot more.”
also, someone has read the dave duncan handbook, and its seems to be working out well so far:
“That’s how I feel about myself,” Miller said. “I’m not a high school pitcher anymore. I’m a professional pitcher. I’ve learned a lot. The best way to learn is to throw to batters. Throw strikes, trust your defense and things will fall into place.”
with his k-rate up and bb-rate down in the second half, he is very very exciting to see develop. you should read the whole article though. its really fascinating how well his kid-glove treatment was handled.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
"professional pitcher"
that’s just bait for TLR to bring him up
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
and a leader.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm not in favor of bringing him up. . .
but I don’t know that I agree that “his development would be stunted almost beyond repair”. There is only anecdotal evidence of that (David Clyde, most notably), and a couple of counter-examples (Dwight Gooden, most notably). It all depends on the mental make-up of the pitcher, and how ready he is to pitch in the majors form a stuff, control, and mental aspect.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
the benefit is not worth the risk IMO
especially when next year’s payroll isn’t the big concern…unless, of course, we re-sign albert in the offseason and his contract starts in 2011 instead of 2012
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I agree. . .
but it’s not a given that it would derail his career. In fact, I suspect that front offices err on the side of keeping guys like Miller down too long. Jenrry Mejia of the Mets is an interesting test case, as they brought him up to pitch in the bullpen this year for the first half (or so) before sending him back down to turn him back into a starter.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a fine line
Between getting him ready for the workload he’ll have to face in the majors and not using up a good portion of the innings he has in his arm in AA/AAA.
Generally, I’m an advocate of pushing pitchers through a lot more aggressively than with hitters, just because there is so much more downside risk to weigh against the possibility you could develop them further.
Still, I don’t see any way he sniffs the majors next year. Have to up his yearly workload too much still.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 10, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not split the difference?
Park him at AA ball and start to ramp up his workload. Get Westbrook to resign.
1. Carp
2. Waino
3. Garcia
4. Westbrook
5. Lohse
Then, keep Lynn ready for any first half injuries/performance issues with the idea that Miller may make 8-10 starts in the second half of the season. If Miller impresses, then he stays with the big club. If he doesn’t, keep Lynn with the big club.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
good idea.
either way, I think you see the point.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
naw, start him in AAA
Fire Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Sep 10, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
the track record is pretty one sided
for high school pitchers (or more to the point, raw and unpolished pitchers) skipping development. they dont respond well to agressive promotion in general. of course you cant say how miller would respond, but the numbers, as i recall anyway, are pretty clear. i’ll try to find some data on that though.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
I don't think Doc Gooden was hurt by coming up too soon
Doc Gooden was hurt by being on a Mets team with a few party animals (Keith Hernandez, Darryl Strawberry) in New York at the height of the cocaine era in the mid-80’s as well as an amazing amount of over use in his first few years as a starter in the big leagues. In his second season he threw 276 innings as a 20 year old, after throwing 218 as a 19 year old rookie.
I guess you could make a case for him being too young to pitch at that level and that led to his irresponsible behavior and drug habit, but he was still a very good starter for the first 10 years of his career (’84 – ’93).
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
We agree. . .
Gooden was my counter-example to David Clyde.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather give Aaron Miles
a shot at the 5th starter. Seriously, I’d eat green eggs and ham before giving Shelby a shot at the rotation in his age 20 season out of spring training.
+ infiniti
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I'm still regretting the day I missed Shelby pitch down in Beloit. That's only 90 minutes away.
Silly edumacational requirements and what have you.
Regardless, it will be nice to track another blue chip prospect from our system until he’s ready for St. Louis. I, for one, hope that Tony is not around to fux with his head or get bitterly jealous or prefer some pitcher who “knows the game” better that has inferior skills.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
Regardless, it will be nice to track another blue chip prospect from our system until he’sready for St. Louistraded for an aging veteran.
Fixed.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
To make it clear, I guess I forgot the “/resignation” tag.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I’m kinda pissed one of my trips to the QC didn’t coincide with one of his pitching performances this summer. missed him
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I saw a screening of "Catfish" last night
It’s really, really, really good. The marketing strategy is interesting too… the movie essentially relies on the fact that you don’t anything ABOUT the movie.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
why would i want to see a movie i don't know anything about?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
The trailer's good at drawing you into the myster(rui)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
lol see what i did there?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i've been pronouncing it wrong in my head this whole time!
/not really
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
and hey are you still puking up your nachos bell grande
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Nope, I'm all good now. I feel like dim sum today
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you puked nachoes bell grande? ouch
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Oy... yeah, nobody should read the wikipedia page
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
sounds cool
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
another OT
I just read last night that Ron Howard wants to make a huge rendition of the Dark Tower series with Stephen King. King is supposedly very involved in the project, and it is supposed to surpass the scope of the Lord of the Rings movies… they will be making both a trilogy of films, and at least 2 seasons of television series to tie things together. sounds very interesting. not sure if Howard will be directing or producing though.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I'm in for that
but can you imagine how involved that will be? Geez.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
yeah
it could take a decade to make it, or more. since LOTR took 8 years
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So, if true to the book series. . .
the first 3 episodes will be engaging, and then peter out after that?
Cool.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 10, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I've only read the first book, so no spoilers plz
also, I’ve heard the first book is the worst of the 7 books, so I’m pretty excited… since it was pretty good imo
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They are all very
deep. You can actually feel King’s career as he writes them. They start off all noble, then get wierd and trippy as he snorts his career up his nose for a few years, then they kind of emerge into a good place later.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
sounds awesome
you can really tell the first book is a beginner Stephen King
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
even after he edited and revised it
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha
I 100% read that as “Dark Shadows” geez, am I giving away my age or what?!?
(and, I was thinking… a movie/TV multiple year rendition of Dark Shadows? Why in the world would anyone……..Oh! Dark TOWERS, I wonder what that is?)
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 10, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
random stl thing
if y’all play any online flash games, mochimedia does a lot of the loading screen advertising… and yeah, I allowed mochimedia to leave cookies.
just spotted a Metrolink ad on there. last place I expected.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Speaking of flash games
Has anybody played a game called Pinch Hitter 3? It’s simple and really flawed and unfair and silly and I can’t stop playing it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
la la la
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link fail
http://twitter.com/geniuslarussa
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 10, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
back to the topic
i like the end of the season if it gives me hope for the next year. it is time to roll out the rooks and see what they’ve got.
we are in a ’sort-of" playoff race, so much the better to make evaluations
miles or winn can pinch hit, but i hate to see them starting.
let the kids start and pinch hit for them later if need be
lots of questions that need answering and that won’t happen once the season is over
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
So I had to work
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
braves lineup
Infante 2B, Heyward RF, Prado 3B, McCann C, Lee 1B, McLouth CF, Gonzalez SS, Cabrera LF, Minor P
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
So I had to work late yesterday and missed the game
The cloffnotes my wife gave me were dinger camp, A.D.A.M. Awesome after a rough first inning, And Lego shook the earth by slamming down an enourmous helmet and the reading on the Richter scale inspired the ump to toss him. Am I missing anything?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 10, 2010 3:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
home runs.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Razzle went deep, then did it again for good measure.
Pujols and Ryan made errors on the same play.
That’s about it.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Sad to miss all the homers but hey sounds like it was a fun game
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 10, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That's under "dinger camp" I think.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Join us
Soon all VEB avatars will be touristy Ozzie Smith from The Simpsons!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
as much as Don Mattingly's hippy
sideburns in that episode disgust me, someone should slap him into their little box.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 10, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. Burns manages kind of like TLR
“But Skip, I’ve hit nine home runs today!”
Clearly it is better to pinch hit Homer against the lefty rather than let Darryl Strawberry bat for himself.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 10, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Taboo Topic, but.....
….if we traded Colby to the Braves for, say, Mike Minor and maybe Brooks Conrad, we cud have a nice young two-some by 2012. not saying the Braves would do this, but I know they covet the Big Cheese. We have Jay and Craig and Joey Bombs, and who knows maybe even Tools, heck even Skip can play left if he had to. Minor has a lot of good ink, and we’ve done well culling from the Braves herd. Something to think about…
:=8)
Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O
that sounds like colby for foreign policy greats for $2000
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
colby rasmus does not approve of all this trade colby rasmus talk
wait…
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I know.....
…but Drew for Waino did work out for us. Just sayin’…
Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O
I think he really just wants to trade his dad and manager
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No More Tonys policy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yup
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
now that would be weird
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
that guy is a jackass from what I can tell
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
two things can happen with colby+ tony rasmus on the same team.
1. Colby feels entitled to play because his dad is the coach…thus he becomes a lazy player.
OR
2. Colby tries really hard to disprove the fact that he gets so much playing time is because of his dad.
also, we would find out ALL the team bitching on the Cardinal Nation comment section.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this idea is about as far fetched as you can get however
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying the org hiring Tony Rasmus is pretty far fetched
/obvious
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
not really(as far as really low level managerial hirings go)
- played in the minors
- coached to LLWS
- coach really good HS teams
- experience training sons kind of proves he can get kids to play quality baseball.
- uhh… that’s still a decent resume for a guy who i’m saying they can hire for DSL or Batavia league.
ok
didn’t know he did all that
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 10, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Tony Rasmus constantly emails Cal Ripken, Sr.
Suggests they meet, have coffee, talk about how similar their lives are, etc. I’d imagine Cal just tries to ignore him, and finally, occasionally responds when he can’t take it anymore, which just makes Tony think they actually have a connection and encourages him to keep it up.
time machinnnneee
http://www.coryodonnell.net/2005/05/fabulous-rasmus-boys.html
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I wonder what ever happened to Cory and Cody
And Kasey Kiker is a really funny name.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Cory is a pitcher with the Atlanta Braves organization.
I haven’t checked Cody yet.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm going to leave this here... then flee
Fox_Sports_MW #STLCARDS LINEUP—Green 2B, Jay RF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Rasmus CF, Molina C, Feliz 3B, Carpenter P, Ryan SS 6 minutes ago via web
missing the E, fsm!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
me too! when yadi2 said he had to flee, i immediately thought it would be a bad lineup
this looks very nice.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
yeah the flee thing made me fear a lack of Rasmus
which would be the final straw on my run TLR out of town cart
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 10, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i mean it seems so incomprehensible that he wouldn't play
but i still feared it
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 10, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
There's still room on yours?
I defended him in discussions, bars, cocktail parties, etc. until this year. I’m just done at this point. The collective weight of all his craziness pushed me off the wagon.
same here. exactly
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
well the cart is there to wheel Tony out of town
the last straw I mentioned is the one the causes the cart to collapse and inexplicably explode, Simpsons-style.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 10, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a non-basement thing, okay!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Agreed,
looks about the best we could hope for these days. No Winn, Stav, Miles, Lopez
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Free David Green!
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch. -Alex Fritz
by The Continental on Sep 10, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bailey (5.00ERA) vs Maholm (5.43ERA) tonight in Cincy...
Kinda Reminds me of the Lohse/Narveson game on Tuesday…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
From the Yahoo baseball blog,
Votto hasn’t hit an infield pop-up all year. Meanwhile, Pujols has 19 (feels like a few more than that…). Also, our very own Skippy has hit the third fewest per batted ball over the past three years.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Holy Crap
The Astros are only 6 games <.500! They might catch the Cardinals.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
As they always seem to do...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
it's their annual late-season run
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hopefully they'll stay hot
at least when they play Cinci.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 10, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It's what happens when you stop trotting Feliz out to 3rd every day.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 10, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Fat Elvis?
Big Puma? Has he done anything for the Yankees or does he only kill the Cardinals?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Only 4 games back in the loss column....
just saying – The Cards got this.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
From BJ Rains
Nick Stavinoha: “I’m going deep twice tonight, and you can print that.”
Nearby Tyler Greene: “Are you even playing?”
Stav: “Twice in BP.”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Sep 10, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
wtf
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tyler's a funny mofo.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
heh...i like tyler greene
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
more BJ
@BJRains Talked to Schumaker about not starting tonight. He said he expected it and knows he hasn’t hit leftys well enough. Story coming soon.
This is a story??
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
got to stop at "@BJRains"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
From one day ago...
“Those asking about Winn over Jay….I’ll check, but could be because Winn is 5-for-9 with 2 2b in career vs. Braves starter Jair Jurrjens.”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
subject line= awesome
content = not so much
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
by mattyfrommo on Sep 10, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just a plot to get you to keep reading
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
by IHeartBoog on Sep 10, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just to be clear
I wasn’t blaming you, it’s that damn Rains!
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
you mean... Rob Rains?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So....with Aki Iwamura being released from the P-Rots, any chance we get him? lol
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Aki!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He played like piss out in Pittsburgh, but that seems flukey
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how were his injuries?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Holy mother of confusion...
…I hope he gets traded to the Cubs and ends up pitching. Gio Soto to Geo Soto
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=l118&t=p_pbp&pid=543803
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slow day at VEB....i should make up a trade rumor or something
here’s some true news: i am having FIVE GUYS for dinner tonight.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Feckin' jealous.
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Wait....we're talkin bout the burgers, yes?
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by vexedtechie on Sep 10, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
'Cause if not, I'm not that jealous.
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by vexedtechie on Sep 10, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I mean, it's your life. Who am I to criticize how many guys you have for dinner, y'know?
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by vexedtechie on Sep 10, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the quantity of responses suggest jealousy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
anybody who isn't jealous of me obviously hasn't met me.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
it's common Boosh! knowlege
go ahead and Boosh! yourself, though. I don’t care if you are alright with being disgusting.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
by mattyfrommo on Sep 10, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
fuuu i thought the game started at 4:10
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I like jim callis
jimcallisBA
I would answer TLR isn’t a major factor @StreetJL: I’d think a lot would be tied in to how much a factor LaRussa is in keeping Pujols in StL
Great timing on blog post today Danup
BP has a great in depth article on Shelby today. Coming from a neutral observer, you have to like what we have. Sounds like, absent injury, we have a #1 or #2 starter with all-star potential and possibly very fast movement to the Show (2011?)
And the under the heading of great karma:
Under weaknesses, it lists that Miller “tips his pitches” badly.
He’ll be so much better when Carp and Dunc get a hold of him!!!
Just win
+1
Patience is a virtue.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Sep 10, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you're mom should take notes
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Sep 11, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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