The Next Cardinal Manager
by peppermartin on Sep 1, 2010 6:56 PM EDT
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After watching the Cards get beat down in person last weekend in DC (and after the Tony LaRussa debacle at the Glenn Beck love-in), I had a funny feeling that I was finally watching the beginning of the end of the Tony LaRussa era. Maybe it was the overpriced beer or the extreme heat, but I experienced... a vision. A vision of the next Cardinal manager. And he was Tony Pena.
That's right, Tony Pena. Any why not? He was my idol while catching for the mid-to-lat 80's Cardinals teams. A very smart catcher and great personality. Won AL manager of the year several years back with the Royals and is currently a coach with the Yankees.
Other upsides: he's Dominican, which should appeal to Pujols. He's a minority, which would appeal to the commisioner (not like I really would care). Furthermore, he was Whitey Herzog's unoffical on-field leader during the 80's heyday. The Anti-Larussa. The answer to our prayers.
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I like it!
And he and Dunc should hit it off just fine as former catchers.
I'd like to see some research
like what has Tony Pena been up to? cmon, there’s an entire internet for you to look on. does he have any managerial experience? is he at all interested? this could be so much more of a fanpost. you could also look at other candidates. I’m pretty bored with reading 4 minute fanposts, spend 4 hours instead.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 1, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Managed the Royals from '02 - '05
Apparently, he was AL Manager of the Year in ‘03, so something had to go right for him that year. Royals went 83-79, so it’s hard to say exactly what, aside from the obvious of just getting the Royals over .500.
Currently, bench coach for the Yankees. Was their first base coach from ’06 to ’08.
thank you.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
what is a Glenn beck Debacle?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
actually
what he said was
Tony LaRussa debacle at the Glenn Beck love-in
It was all over the news.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Sep 1, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
wht was the Tony LaRussa Debacle at the Glenn Beck love-in
what did Tony do to make it a debacle. I’ve been on vacation for the last week.
Also, Did Pujols not decabilate this either? Should we also be looking for new first baseman?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
some folks view it as a debacle
simply because he was there.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Sep 1, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
any mixture of sports and politics is ill advised
some people just aren’t comfortable seeing their field general supporting a shock-jock who would sooner root for civil war than a reversion to pre-bush taxation on the small demographic that holds 50% of the nation’s wealth.
at the end of the day, it’s really just a popularity thing and not really indicative of the horrible decisions larussa actually makes on the field (or IS IT??).
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Sep 2, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but it's Okay for Pujols to do it?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
nope
ditto for albert in my mind. personally, the attachment i once had to the guy is waning quickly. < cry > because i love my team so much…
ok, i’ll stop.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Sep 2, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the saddest part is that the Cardinals have had a lot of players involved in civil right movements
now we get to have association with Glenn Beck. my friend told me his soul hurts once he found out that Pujols went. I find trouble wearing my Pujols shershey now. sad.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the way I see it too.
when it was announce that Tony and Albert would be attending I thought it was a bad idea. I’m not exactly sure why and it may not be fair but it doesn’t seem wise. It’s kind of like tipping your hand.
I thought I heard that someone in the front office had warned Albert against it. It was a short blurb.
Personally, I wouldn’t have done it. All it can do is stir up controversy.
Politics is too volatile these days.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Sep 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, good idea tony and albert
as two prominent members of a team, go to a polarizing figures “rally” and thus association your team with said polarizing figure. that’s not going to cause any rifts with the fans or other players. great idea, TLR!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Great idea Albert!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
did you see me stating that I don't even feel like wearing my Pujols shershey anymore?
Tony has seniority here. so he gets blame for the idea. he could have said, maybe this isn’t such a good idea here, Albert. if it was Albert’s idea. sheesh
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Tony say it was his idea?
Tony said: “I wouldn’t even have taken this to Albert if I thought it was going to be political.” Pujols still has to take responsibility for going along with it though.
Tony is truly out of touch with reality if he thought it wasn't political
but he’s probably just lying some more
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
To me
it says a lot that Pujols would go. He cares about his (adopted) country. I have more respect in Albert today.
Politics will always be volatile, you don’t have to agree… but at least he cares.
he went
even though we know he has a different stance than Glenn on immigration reform.
Anyway, what were they there for? They were invited correct?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
My take on Albert going
was that he was manipulated by TLR into going through with it. “Yeah Albert, it’ll be great! You can talk about how great the country has been to you. It’s going to be a group of born-agains. You can talk about your charity…”
No matter your political leaning, I can’t see what the team had to gain by them attending. Like TLR is any authority on political matters – talk about having no moral compass. He basically abandoned his kids, was probably the biggest enabler of the steroid era. No wonder he’s always dependent on the numbers, since he has no gut to get a feeling from. What a douchebag.
This is inappropriate
Pujols didn’t go and talk about politics. He got up, accepted an award, and then talked about his Foundation and his faith. I can’t see how anyone can fault him for what he said.
Any dicussion of the political nature of the event is out of bounds on this board. Let’s follow Albert’s lead. He didn’t talk about politics, so we shouldn’t bother discussing it.
by thegodfather on Sep 3, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
thank you.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
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I have some prime waterfront acreage in Florida that I would make you a real good deal on. Also I have a bridge for sale.
by Plowboy on Sep 3, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
have you ever considered not being a jerk?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Sep 3, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Someone rec'd this? Really?
Being passive aggressive on the internet has to be the real life equivalent of sticking out your tongue behind someone’s back.
by thegodfather on Sep 4, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I like the idea too, peppermartin.
I like it as well as the Jose Oquendo idea.
You don’t need to spend 4 hours on this fanpost, you probably have another life.
I’m interested in what he’s been up to even though you already said he’s is currently a coach with the Yankees and said he has managerial experience with the Royals.
I think I’ll spend a little of my time and go look up what else I want to know.
Thanx for the idea.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Sep 1, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I've spent 4 hours and a post and have many lives
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
*on
why is it considered lame to write good baseball articles? sounds like a bullshit excuse, Dave
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
you better believe it
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it is 2010, after all
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even know what you mean by that
but if your goal is to consistently come off as arrogant, bravo.
it's all in the interpretation I guess
but yeah, I guess you could say I’m arrogant. whatever.
if you can’t figure out what the 2010 comment means, I’m not sure. this season has sucked pretty bad. which is sad for a Cardinals fan.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Lighten up, fellas!
What can I say, I’m brand new to this blog, and am not completely aware of all the protocol. There’s nothing I would like more than to spend all day writing about Cardinal baseball. Unfortunately, I do have other responsibilities that take priority over doing so.
I did want to throw the idea out there, as I think Tony Pena would be a great fit for the organization. If not for his skills alone, it would be great to have someone who could bridge the gap between the current state of Cardinals baseball and the not-too-distant past that made the organization great.
I agree with your idea
I didn’t mean to single you out, but I’ve been doing this to anyone who writes short fanposts in the hope of stemming the tide short fanposts. but I give up, I’m done trying to stop the short fanposts, since I’m not really an arrogant person and I don’t want to give that impression. the interwebs can distort things.
anyways, if Tony Pena were to be the new manager I would be nothing less than thrilled for the Cardinals.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
and I'm not trying to be a dick about this or a stickler for the rules
I want people to be more creative, interesting, thought provoking, and not just write something that takes 2-5 minutes, you can write something like that in a discussion thread, a fanshot chat, etc. there are places for it. the fanposts are for well researched, quality material. or more thought out at least, this quite obviously didn’t have much work put into it. so go ahead, demean people who put a lot of time and effort into writing. because they should have “another life”.
not trying to disrespect the person who wrote this, or tony pena as manager, or anything like that. just realize what you just said, and that you just disrespected every person who spent a lot of time writing for this site.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Cut your losses Chitown
Netcops are so 1994. If you don’t like a post, don’t read it. Don’t keep polluting the discussion with neener-neener.
I graduated high school in '94
I’d like to see the fanposts not polluted with crap also.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
We should just allow anyone with a drunken crazy thought at 2 AM to post 4 sentence FanPosts about who our next manager should be.
Do you have any idea how many of these posts we would have if it weren’t for people pointing out what the FanPost guidelines are? This kind of post belongs on the stltoday boards — there’s no analysis, just one person’s convoluted opinion. We strive to be better than that at VEB. If you feel differently, then I suggest that you move along. The website will survive without you.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'm glad we agree.
Right now there’s a fan post on the front page from 12 days ago so we’re hardly being inundated with them. This was an interesting suggestion. It’s not one that has been made anywhere else.
Everyone is in an ugly mood because of the way our team is playing (me included), but that’s no excuse to scream at people every time we disagree with them. I’m as guilty as anyone of posting while in an extremely bad (baseball induced) mood. The last 10 days suck (with the exception of Jaime, peace be upon him). That’s no excuse for screaming at people.
Who's screaming?
Chitown simply asked that more analysis be provided instead of an off-the-cuff idea that just came off the top of the OP’s head. Anyone here can make a 3 sentence FanPost about a move the club should make, but just because they CAN doesn’t mean they SHOULD.
We have guidelines. We expect participants to follow the guidelines. If you have a problem with the guidelines, then we would prefer you find another outlet (like the stltoday.com boards). That’s it — no argument about it actually. It’s plain and simple.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Well I just had a burr put under may saddle lately
and I felt like the guy needed a little support.
I didn’t demean those who put more time into their writing, just defend those who don’t.
There aren’t any set rules about how much material or research should go into a fanpost.
If what you want to say only takes a paragraph or two, then so what?
A discussion can be generated with one sentence. Discussion, isn’t that the point?
I get bored with some things here too but they don’t break any rules.
I don’t see anything wrong with a casual fanpost, myself, but you just can’t please everybody.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Sep 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanx, spants!
for this..
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/pages/community-fanpost-guidelin
I wasn’t aware of this, so I stand naked!
I hunted for something like this before and never came across it.
It should actually be posted from time to time.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Sep 2, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, there are traditions at this site, and complaining about short fanposts with little time put into them is one of them
and well researched, thought out fanposts are another tradition. I think people have pointed this out more than a few times, but it still gets ignored.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I had forgotten about Tony Pena. He was a good manager and an excellent catcher.
I have been having the same feelingabout TLR – that this is it as the Card’s skipper. I follow the games on the Cards site gameday or the Post Dispatch. Just feel like the rest of the season is slipping away and there is nothing being done about it. Just my own feelings. Hope I am wrong.
Nice post, pm
I want it to be
Mike Matheny
with Orel H as pitching coach
Ken Oberkfell as bench coach
John Mabry as hitting coach
Jack Clark as overall s—t kicker
Matheny
Whenever he is ready (he has said in the past his kids are still too little to leave them all year) he should be given a shot somewhere on the farm. He was another great field general and is very well liked by players and fans. The catchers in the system speak highly of his spring coaching as well. Seems like he has the skills and make up, hope he gives it a shot some day soon.
"hi mo, here's my resume"
- peppermartin’s (the veb member, not the player) favorite player in the mid-80’s
- smart
- great personality
- al manager of the year with the royals
- coach with the yankees
- dominican
- a minority
- whitey herzog’s unofficial on-field leader during heyday
- not tony larussa
“so, do i get the job?”
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Sep 2, 2010 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
I like the idea
of Terry Pendleton taking over. Pena would be a good choice too. If Jose Oquendo got the job I would be upset. I would like Duncan to stay another year. I would llike to see Ozzie coach third, and Matheny (if he could) would be great to have on the coaching staff as well.
plus when the players start being "little bitches"
the coaching staff can put them in their place by challenging them to a game and kicking their asses.
Curveball
Dave LaPoint could make an excellent manager. He currently manages (Sid Ponson) for the Long Island Ducks. I would also venture to guess his managing style would resemble Whitey’s…but who really knows?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
surprised no pendleton talk terry that is
i’d also give some thought to melvin and maddon
wonder if gardenhire would move, he has dome very well there with even fewer resources than stl and with young players
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
nybirdfan also likes the idea of Pendleton taking over
I could roll with that
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't possibly reject a Pendleton!
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Sep 3, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want someone who will shut up and let the best players play at this point.
and not play Stavinoha, Miles, McDougal, and the rest of the shitty players who made this team worse the second we started playing them.
Off the top of my head, in order of preference:
1. Pop Warner
2. Fredi Gonzalez (though I hear the Braves might be keen)
3. Chris Maloney
Basically, keen on an internal appointment (though I’m still not sure I subscribe to the Oquendo idea, I’m not 100% sure why people necessarily think he’d be any good, and I’d also like to see something of a change at the top whereas I think Jose could just be the closest appointment to the current status quo). That or Fredi, who I’ve always liked.
Still bitching to contact.
Tony Pena - Adulterer?
I would like to see Tony Pena squatting (one leg out) in the dugout as well. He did have some off the field issues though. Not sure if this is a consideration…
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Sep 8, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
I think
a team that currently employs an admitted steroid user as a hitting coach might be able to give an adulterer a chance.
Rabid Redbird
I'm not a Big Mac hater
I’m just saying that if they are not worried about on field controversy after the fact, they probably don’t care too much about personal life as long as it doesn’t interfere with the game in any way.
Rabid Redbird
though quitting your job mid-season pretty much is the definition
of interfering with the game.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
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