The pros and cons of following the Cardinals from a four year-old cell phone
Through a truly momentous confluence of summery road-trips, today is the first day I'll have been able to watch the Cardinals on TV in two weeks. Momentous and portentous, in a boon for whoever eventually writes an epic poem about my summer—because it just so happens that tomorrow's game involves the Cardinals attempting the first-place slingshot against their increasingly clingy new arch-nemeses.
Not watching the games on TV—or even hearing them on the radio—offers maybe 25% of the enjoyment it's possible to get with live reports but none of the moment-to-moment frustration at all, which is to say that my last several posts from the second leg of my vacation have been delivered from a kind of bland zen state that's been pretty nice, all things considered.
But now I'm back, and after tomorrow's game I think I'll be fully able to get angry about baseball results again. Before I do that, I think it's worth taking a look at the things I'll probably be less sanguine about tomorrow morning:
The Jake Westbrook trade. Right now I think this was a middling move made from reasonable assumptions about the team; Allen Craig and Jon Jay are much better than Jeff Suppan and Blake Hawksworth, after all, even though Jake Westbrook isn't better than Ryan Ludwick.
But the first time I watch Jon Jay—hitting just .341/.370/.432 since the beginning of my trip, doncha know—flail through a slump while Jake Westbrook improves the rotation to the tune of five innings pitched and three earned runs all bets are off. Ryan Ludwick was awesome; his at-bat music was "Brass Monkey", he emerged from the scrap heap to turn in an outstanding season, and his name could easily be turned into infinite nicknames. Jake Westbrook—well, he went 15-15 once, and earning 30 decisions in a season is always kind of impressive when it happens, I guess.
Tony La Russa double-switching players for Colby Rasmus. Here's the thing: I love Tony La Russa. He's a fascinating manager, one with an outstanding record and a history of exerting an outsized influence on the way baseball is played, and the Cardinals will be considerably more boring and probably worse when he finally decides to give way. I think consistent La Russa skeptics will be disappointed when that Jose Oquendo, the strangely consensus replacement-of-choice for something like 10 years now, plays His Guys as much as La Russa or any other manager.
But the angry nuance that's most completely lost in translation when checking scores on a RAZR is weird roster management. Anger can be easily transmitted when I see Aaron Miles is getting playing time, but anything subtler than that is lost when the postgame box scores have to be word-wrapped to fit on screen. That first time Colby Rasmus is removed from a game to keep Jason LaRue's glove on the field at first base is going to be a rude reawakening.
Ryan Franklin. I know intellectually that he's at least an average reliever, and probably a better-than-average reliever, but the further away I get from watching his junkballing antics the safer that thought is in my head. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to take this if he begins his fourth annual post-ASB slide this month; this year he's had a considerably lower high to fall from.
Come back soon, Jason Motte. Please come back soon.
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You can get a new cell phone
Every 2 years, for free, from most carriers. Just sayin’
by lopey986 on Aug 9, 2010 7:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I've been thinking about pulling the trigger on an iphone
for three of those years—so my upgrade sits unused. This is the year, though, I was waiting for a new form factor and here it is.
I'd wait until after September 30, maybe
That’s when the “Free Bumper because our antenna idea was stupid” program ends, so POSSIBLY they’ll roll out an update to the iPhone 4s then
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm not worried about the death-grip problem
because it seems like an overblown media thing, but I’ll probably wait anyway just because it’s extremely easy for inertia to take hold and cause me to not buy anything for another month.
when you do decide to get one
there’s this store in Washington Mo and there’s this David guy (me) who works there and is awesome to buy one from
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 9, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
tell you what, you give me enough money for one
and i’ll get it for you for free
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 9, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
looking back at that comment
it was intended in jest and came out Shooter MvGavin(or Ryan Braun)-style douchey
sorry
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 9, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Happens to me all the time
The “say something so douchey nobody will take you seriously” style of humor doesn’t translate to the internets quite as well
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
cool
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 9, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, cool, brah.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
here you go
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/7/5/1553379/jason-motte-attack-of-crazies
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jason Motte looks like a young santa-claus
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
...until he starts yelling into his glove.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
MOAR ELVES ELVES ELVES SLEIGH BELLS
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 9, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tough to Lose Cowlick....
…but I do like what I see in Westie so far + not seeing the Soup/Hawk double dip every 4th & 5th game. Imagine, in a week or so it will be Wainy/Carp/Garcia/Westie/Lohse. Sounds kinda nice to me.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Best thing about the rainout...
skip Suppan in the rotation! Now, we just need to pray for rain on Friday….
By then
Lohse will be part of the equation, not that that means we still shouldn’t be praying for rain on some days.
He is making another rehab start though
so while he could factor in for later in the weekend I doubt he could start Friday, so unless they bump everyone else up in the rotation a day I think Suppan still gets his next start.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Westbrook should pitch friday
Then carp saturday and then either garcia or lohse sunday all will be on normal rest but knowing larussa he wll wanna give soup another start
by CentralILcardsfan on Aug 9, 2010 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lohse is on target to start Aug 15th
and tony is hinting at using the two off days next week (8/16 & 8/19) to skip Garcia’s turn in the rotation.
If Lohse has trouble again, then tony will have to decide if he wants to rest Garcia (at 121 IP already) by throwing Suppan against the Cubs or needs a higher probability of winning and to hell with the rookie’s arm.
Waino and Westbrook can pitch on normal rest against MIL 8/17 & 18. Then Carp comes back on 8/20 on extra rest, two of Lohse/Suppan/Garcia on 8/21 & 8/22, then back to Waino/Westbrook/Carp/Lohse/Garcia rotation for the rest of the season.
So Carp is on target to pitch 8/14?
if so, that means I get to see him pitch two times in a row (for me)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
why are we talking about when lohse is
“Scheduled” to start?
I have taught you people nothing. Nothing.
Lucy is holding the football for you again.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Heading to Cincinnati - The Chili Capital of the World
Best of all – no Soup for you!
SD
by Gibby45 on Aug 9, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
people need not to get upset about the double switching
Outfielders are going to get double switched. Even more now that we have 0 infielders on the bench. (get well soon skippy).
The guy who is going to get double switched is the guy whose spot in the line-up is the farthest away. Yeah, it bites you in the ass sometimes. But that’s baseball in the NL. Don’t like the double switch? Complain about the lack of a DH in the NL.
Miles, in at third for his defense
If there was more depth in healthy infielders
the double switches would be happening there instead. There isn’t.
That said, I don’t entirely get why the team won’t go out and get some. Guys who perform at the Randy Winn level but wear infield gloves are not exactly a dime a dozen, but they’re not THAT rare.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Aug 9, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And we have some in Memphis already
Still unsure of why Gotay isn’t up
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
What I don't get is why double switch when bringing in Franklin?
We know Franklin doesn’t handle second innings very well, he is supposedly our “closer” and thus shouldn’t need more than the ninth to get the job done, so why are you playing for the 10th when you have the lead in the 9th?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
"we know franklin doesn't handle second innings very well"
Just out of curiousity, where are you getting that from? This year he’s pitched more than one inning 10 times, and saturday night was the first time he gave up a run. He’s K’d 10 and walked none in his 1+ innings appearances, and has only given up the one home run.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Aug 9, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But it's not just hitting, it's defense
Why decrease the outfield’s defense in a close game? Unless the manager really believes that the combination of Jay and Craig really provides an upgrade over Jay and Rasmus.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Exactamundo!
That was the first thing that entered my mind. Double switch going into the ninth with the lead and your closer on the mound to get to a worse DEFENSIVE lineup? Not that anyone under 70 feet tall could have made a difference on that blast from Uggla, but the strategy was not sound.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
actually it's neither hitting or defense.
but you double switch so a pitcher can go more than one inning. That’s why you put their spot in the order farthest away.
You know who has been double switched for the most this year? Holliday. 14 times compared to Rasmus’s 9.
Miles, in at third for his defense
Not sure what to say about the Holliday point, other than I find it interesting
Is the benefit of having Franklin in for another inning greater than the one passed up by keeping the best defense in there?
I guess in a lot of cases it would be. But in this case it just seemed like we were keeping an ineffective pitcher in while decreasing our defense.
I do try to keep telling myself that injuries, injuries, and more injuries (and some additional injuries) are probably the main culprit here. Without injuries we’d still have Skip available and T. Greene, and Freese, and Motte, etc. etc. etc. That would make it a lot easier to deal with these situations because we’d still have the most effective players ready to play. But after Franklin blew a save I would rather have the next most effective reliever in there, I don’t care about Franklin’s confidence. There was an off-day and a complete game, the bullpen got a nice bit of rest. It just wasn’t worth it to keep Franklin in.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Aaaand maybe that doesn't make any sense. I may have confused the order of events here...
If so, my bad. Coffee hasn’t totally kicked in yet.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah, my bad
Evilfrog, please just ignore my entire comment, because somehow I got really confused about what really happened.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say
the double switch had zero effect on the Cardinals losing that game. Leaving Franklin in for the 10th inning however….
I guess he doesn’t trust salas enough to pull franklin and put him in. We’ve seen him do it with Motte.
Get better crazy.
Miles, in at third for his defense
"Get better" indeed!
Did the game go to ten innings? I’m so freaking confused. Did my big long comment make sense? I honestly thought I was remembering something wrong.
Anyway, this isn’t actually something that I feel very strongly about, but it’s kind of fun to analyze these things.
My final solution: kill the DH, so AL clubs have to deal with this crap too!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yes it did go to 10 innings
Franklin came in for the 9th, Colby came out Craig came in. Frank tied it on first pitch to Uggla. In then 10th Craig didn’t help the offense, but the rest didnt do much anyway. In the bottom of the 10th Franklin gave it up.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
We are talking about the Marlins game on Aug-7
Cardinals took the lead in the top of the 9th. Franklin in for K-Mac. Jay in center for the bottom of the 9th. Frankie gives up a solo shot to tie.
Craig-Ryan-Lopez went quietly in the 9th.
Franklin lost it in the 10th.
Miles, in at third for his defense
Correct
Noone is saying that the switch had an affect in the end, but the problem we have is that it could have had an affect. This is the ultimate in arguing symantecs, but hey if this is all we have to get angry about I feel pretty good. Now if I could just forget how large our DL is getting I might feel wonderful.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
my problem, and I suspect most people's
is the frequency of these decisions. if I had more time, I could build on those fanposts and really chart out how many of those decisions played a part in losing late-and-close games.
it is beyond a significant number by now. the team would not be in this position if they’d taken even 75% of the games they had in hand.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
True
Lots of these seemingly small things have in fact killed games
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
one game is not going to make a difference, of course.
at this point it is a little specious to be jostling over one game.
but 2/3s of the way into the season, there is a remarkable consistency that cancels out any outside reason or speculation — this is not like last year when Colby had a condition that we knew nothing about. he can’t mysteriously fall ill every ninth inning. Motte was playing through pain, but if he’s supposed to be pulled, why start him two days in a row when we’ve known that’s a bad thing since 2008. and so on.
the body of evidence is starting to overwhelm any uncertainty of some outside element that’s triggering these decisions.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
With the way the playoff chase is shaping up,
one game may very well make a difference.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
and this is what we said in early spring.
nothing changed in the decision-making process, even after Tony apologized for some of them.
even if we take out the injuries, bad luck, et cetera, that evens out in the long run. the decisions made should give the team the greatest chance to win, and it’s been lacking one too many times.
when it’s gonna come down to one game, and if I can count ten games that were winnable and the best team on the field wasn’t there, that rather puts it beyond being frustrated fans and into the territory of culpability.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I wonder, Yadi and others
if Colby’s hamstring is still hurting him to some extent, if there is some “condition that we knew nothing about.” It seems to me Tony’s philosophy has always been to keep your best defense on the field when you have the lead. He obviously didn’t do that in this game, s that has led me to wonder if Colby is still hurting somewhat.
very possible
most of the time colby has set is because of he was sore. And he was out of the lineup the next day.
But unless it continues to be an issue i doubt we’ll know for sure.
Miles, in at third for his defense
sure. it's possible.
that’s why a survey would be the best thing.
don’t get me wrong, it’s possible that every single one of those decisions have an impetus behind them. baseball is like that. but the odds are against that if the data crosses into significance.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I dunno
I can think of one game were the double switch killed the team. it’s when Colby came out, Winn came into right, and then jay went to left.
And then Winn stunk it up.
Miles, in at third for his defense
well, one, as someone said, don't confuse the decision with the result
and two, I don’t like having this discussion until someone goes back and catalogs the whole season. we are necessarily in small sample size when we talk about one game, and relying on our memories to supply us with examples — when what we should be concerned about is the pattern.
we’ve been citing exactly the same concerns and examples since April. I think it’s pretty safe to say there’s a pattern.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well
there is a pattern that Tony double switches. And by the nature of the double switch you are going to be replacing a starter with a non-starter. Who is normally worse than the starter. (unless Colby is getting one of those riot inducing off days.)
This is an argument about the double switch. Which will also have a chance at back firing. Does Tony double switch more than other managers in the NL?
This seems like a research thing I don’t have the time for today.
Miles, in at third for his defense
no, no
don’t compare with other managers. other managers don’t have this team. and this team has been rather specifically constructed to take advantage of certain players and staff.
we need to do the survey first, before we tease anything out of the data. otherwise, as I said, we’ll be just saying to each other “I don’t remember it that many times!” well, let’s find out how many times exactly, what examples, and what exactly happened. this is not where we can start averaging anything out.
(IMO leave starting lineup decisions out, because there are a lot of injuries we don’t know about, or every now and then someone misses their bus to the ballpark.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I mean, it's a purely intellectual argument about the double-switch without looking at the real world examples.
and quite frankly, with this week coming up, none of us are interested in abstractions.
I for one want to find out where the problem is so someone can potentially fix it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
again... purely intellectual.
not that I disagree, but so what? bench players are never going to be as good as the starters. we’re talking about the process of switching the starters for the bench. if there is in fact a problem with the process, better bench players is not going to do a lick of good.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
au contraire
the double switch was unnecessary if the idea was to “close” it out in the 9th,. we had the lead and our closer in, so why not best defense too. part of this is leaving frizzy in for 2 innings and carrying an extra pitcher, so doubles become the tlr version of premature capitulation in this situation.. wonder what the players think of this "contingency planning’?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
If it was the 8th inning maybe
but this was the 9th inning, we had the lead. You should play to win this inning not next inning, keep the best defense behind Franklin and assume he gets the job done with it.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
My favorite was TLR double-switched Holliday out in the 20-inning epic,
and then had a relief pitcher batting behind Pujols because he didn’t have any non-catcher position players left. That was brilliant strategery by TLR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
that was excellent there
were else have you seen two different relief pitchers batting with the bases loaded and two outs in back to back innings?
Miles, in at third for his defense
Agreed
It’s part of the game, and we’re lucky enough to a) have two players better than Colby that won’t come out, and b) have some decent OF options that in some cases, aren’t a big step down from Raz.
I included Holliday in “a” above, but even he has come out in a double switch before.
i'm more PO'd about TLR
double switching winn for jay than having raz double switch’d for. randy winn doesn’t deserve to be on this team for the poor defensive skills he has. he’s pretty much a DH-only type of player.
as for franky, he’s not the same guy he was in early 2009. we won’t ever see the likes of THAT franklin again. that franklin was a temporary fluke. saturday’s game was – what – the third game franklin’s done a terrible job trying to get the save (including the rockies series)? too bad we don’t have our next-in-line closer yet…
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
Ryan Franklin isn't that horrible, honestly.
A 3.73 FIP isn’t a bad thing. It’s not like we are looking at Brad Lidge here, Ryan Franklin was fairly lucky last year, in that he didn’t allow HR’s at a normal rate and his BABIP was a bit lower than average, and this year it happens to be evening out, and he is still a competent reliever.
You only remember the 3 blown saves more than the other 20 saves or so.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Haven't been following that closely
but hasn’t Franklin been better this year than he was in 2009? From what I recall last year was based on an unsustainable HR/FB rate, and a pretty-much-the-same-as-he’s-always-been K/BB ratio, albeit with that new cutter thrown in which I felt improved his stuff a bit. This year he’s walked fewer, hasn’t he, and been a bit better at getting groundballs?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of Tony's decision making methods
Remind me of TV ads where the company says, “We’ve got a survey that says our product is the best on the market.” Sure. Because it was the survey you selected, the one out of 10 that actually validated your assertion. Like when Mini Me goes 3-4 that one game, and that’s supposed to justify all those punchless O’fers we sat through over the last week.
I don’t watch as many games as I should, due to my seeming inability to sit in front of my computer (MLB.tv) for three hours without eventually succumbing and switching to a computer game. So I usually end up reading the box scores and articles, playing a variation of “Where’s Waldo?” with the part of Waldo being played by the decision TLR made that ultimately doomed us. “Oh, there it is! Double-switch to take out Colby and replace him with Winn. I wonder where Waldo will be in the next boxscore!”
I realize that baseball is a game of aberrations from the baseline: pitch-by-pitch, the pitcher usually wins and the batter usually loses. Anything a manager can do to get those numbers closer to or further from the extremes, in favor of his team, is critical. And I think LaRussa probably does a better job of that in aggregate than just about anybody else in the game. But HFS, do some of his individual decisions make you think he’s the dumbest MFer on the planet?
It’s very easy to look at a bad decision that had a positive result and think, “Wow, that was uncanny! He’s a genius!” And we somehow have this fear of having some staid manager who always makes the safe call and never dares to hope against hope. But bad decision making will invariably follow that baseline of bad results, with only the aberrations actually helping the team.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
by Rejuvenile on Aug 9, 2010 9:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I've said this before here, but I'll mention it again.
Tony LaRussa himself, speaking to my class at SLU Law in 2002, told us specifically not to confuse the intelligence of a decision with its outcome. It was in the vein of “putting yourself in a position to succeed,” or the like.
Given some of the decisions we’ve seen, however, I think Tony may have forgotten his own advice.
by dronemc on Aug 9, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, that's great advice
Unfortunately, Tony might still be going by it. It’s not the outputs he’s using to make future decisions…it’s the inputs he uses to make the decision that seem to be the problem.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
dick in a toaster
etc.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
miles actually
had only one game when he went O’fer in the last week (6-20 in 5 starts). I think the thought of Miles on the team causes VEB to erase any evidence of his hits.
I wish I could wipe my memory clean of his .294 wOBA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
GRIT gets into places you never knew existed.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
My dislike of Izturis is well-known.
Izturis has a .276 career wOBA. This year, it is .262 (as both his SLG and OBP are below .300). But, he is hitting slightly better than Julio Lugo, who has a .260 wOBA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And I think Lugo has something like 3 extra base hits...for the year.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is CardsWin when you need him.
How dare you disparage Izturis! He was healthy in 2004 and he was good.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Don't forget,
as TLR stated, Izturis has “nice legs.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Haha I remember that
That was a rather strange argument.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 9, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the only reason Miles is on the team still is because he's lucked into hitting .317 on groundballs
Michael Bourn hits .260 on groundballs and Miles’ career is .228, just normalizing that and he’s hitting .260/.280/.300. Keeping him on the team hurts our chances to win games.
Not afraid to nitpick
Obviously Miles has recently put a lot of work on hitting the ball on the ground where they ain't....
If Bourn would just put in the same amount of work, and use Miles’ new techniques, Michael Bourn could be an All-star.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Bourn needs to slow his batspeed, as Miles has done, to allow for better placement of grounders.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Sometimes, whgen you swing too hard, you can’t place the ball correctly. It’s like golf.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 9, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If players had the ability to "place the ball correctly" repeatedly, then everybody would hit 1.0000
You’re saying that Miles has this ability, and Pujols doesn’t?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
His BABIP on grounders speaks for itself.
Haven’t you watched him strategically place groundballs in infield holes over the past month? TRUST YOUR EYES!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm willing to bet if you set up a pitching machine
to pitch the ball 1,000 times in the same location, and told Pujols to hit it to any part of the field, he’ll hit there 900 times.
Miles, in at third for his defense
I'd go 1,001.
He would split the last ball in two, just to prove a point.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If you took my comment seriously, you, sir, are retarded.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 9, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey man! I'm actually doing work today!
I can’t be asked to read things in context. I don’t have the time for that!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i was joking about miles' seemingly preternatural ability to find holes with his dribblers
but, of course, you can directionally hit baseballs on purpose and players do do that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 9, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonight's pitchng match-up:
Carp vs. Leake. That should be a good one.
Also, on the official site, there is a nice photo featuring Carp’s tattoo. It’s quite colorful.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ludwick Trade
I have given it a week to sink in. I had to try to let logic set in.
Why did they do this deal?
1. They needed a starter: This signifies to me the lack of confidence in the returns of Penny and Lohse. (At least the effectiveness of the returns) It also makes me believe that they are worried about Garcia hitting the wall. Also, they now realize that the Reds are likely to stick this thing out and they have to get in the playoffs.
2. They were eventually going to trade Ludwick: Don’t kid yourselves, as soon as the ink dried on Holiday’s contract, Ludwick’s days were numbered. If they are to make a push for keeping Pujols, the money Ludwick would make next year was counted as part of the package. I think Moz felt he could sell this deal more easily than trading him for a couple of prospects over the winter. (even though the prospects would probably have more value than 2 months of Westbrook and a non-prospect.) With the perceived demand for a starter and Jay killing the ball, Moz had a opportunity.
Initially, I hated the deal. Now, I still hate it, but understand it better. I was one of those guys who hoped they would extend Ludwick last winter and pass on Holiday. (My offseason wish list included Beltre, Guerrero, Penny, Lopez, and veteran relief help instead of Holiday.) Vlad would have been an adventure in left field, eh?
The question this winter will be: How many years do you offer Albert?
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
As many as it takes. Next question?
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Aug 9, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
How many years do you offer Albert?
Ask Albert how many years he wants.
Miles, in at third for his defense
10 years
300 million…do you go for it? I wouldn’t.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
Yes I do
and so will the cardinals. Unless they want to see attendance average drop int the 20,000s.
Miles, in at third for his defense
That seems a little over-the-top to me.
If they take that $30MM annually and invest it in another first-rate first baseman and another player, the team will be very competitive.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn't say it would be better for us winning...
I said it will put more people in the seats. At least for the first half of the contract. From a business standpoint it’s the better move.
Miles, in at third for his defense
Yeah
I seriously doubt there’d be boycotts at Busch if we took that $30m and turned it into Adrian Gonzalez and Cliff Lee.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I really fear for the fanbase's reaction whould we not sign Pujols
I try to stay rational and tell myself we can and will compete without him if we need to. But Albert is the kind of player that a franchise only sees so often in its lifespan. By the end of his career, Pujols could end up only being comparable to Hornsby and Musial as far as importance to the Cards goes. Maybe the fanbase at large will understand that the team is bigger than Albert, but who knows… a drastically reduced revenue could have a big impact on the team’s ability to compete. Maybe it would only be a factor for a couple years, though, in that case.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
The fanbase's reaction:
OPEN DEWALLET
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 9, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
we would have to
sign someone like Adrian Gonzalez to replace him. If we replace him w/ Allen Craig, there’ll be a revolt.
Yeah, I agree with this
I feel terrible for saying this, but I really don’t think that Pujols is going to be worth $30 million going forward. If we retroactively paid that amount for the last 9 years of his career, yeah, that’s probably fair, but if his numbers in the future look like this year’s iteration of our esteemed slugger, then I’d rather allocate resources elsewhere
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I wish Mo had a crystal ball.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Pujols has a .411 wOBA this year
And 4.6 WAR per FanGraphs (so on pace for 6.8). That comes with a BABIP about .20 points below his career average and a low (for him) UZR score. Pujols should be worth over 7 WAR this year, which is worth somewhere around 30 million on the open market. I’m betting that the decline in Pujols’ production will be about as large as in the increase in $/WAR due to inflation, so I could very reasonably see him being worth 300 million (if he doesn’t suffer a big injury, which obviously is a large possibility).
But there is no way he gets a 300 million dollar deal. I can’t think of another team that would come close to topping that offer (with the Yankees having A-Rod’s contract on the book, not to mention Texeira). I’d set the maximum for Pujols’ contract at 200 mil (WAG), and I think he’ll give us a pretty large discount.
We're looking forward
But from Pujols’s perspective, he’s earned more than $30 mil for us when we payed him less than half of that. We need to keep this in mind when we think about contracts going forward. We can’t just evaluate or prognosticate from a blank slate. We have to think about not just matching WAR with $$$, but with the mismatch that happened before a guy like Pujols hits his high-earning free agent years.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
Are you joking?
There is no way we should be attempting to pay Pujols for the surplus he gave us from 2001 through 2011 with any contract from 2012 on. None. It should absolutely be done matching projected production value to salary. We can’t afford to have sentimental gigantic contracts on the books. If we pay Pujols $30MM annually for anything less than $30MM in production, our franchise will be crippled (without the emergence of another Pujols that is young and cost-controlled).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda depends
if we pay Pujols $30 million for $25 million worth of production, I don’t think we would be crippled.
Sliding scale.
Miles, in at third for his defense
Are YOU joking?
When you get a performance evaluation from at your job, do you go into talking about the production you’re going to provide going forward, and is it your expectation that your supervisor will only provide you with salary based on future expectations?
Or do you go in prepared to talk about all the great things you’ve done in the past, the money you’ve helped to make the company, and how you deserve a raise for the hard work you’ve already done.
Obviously, his raise he’ll be getting is based on previous performance to a certain degree, but it’s just not reasonable to expect the other party (in this case Albert) to accept that we aren’t interested in considering the “surplus” he’s given to us.
And crippled is really overstating it, but Mo and scouting team clearly recognize this and will be active in finding good talent that is cost-controllable over the next 8-10 years of that contract.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
that's a horrible ananlogy
i doubt bgh holds a job where he is in danger of sharp decline anywhere after age 30 to the point where he may not be able to perform that job at all by age 40
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
It's not perfect for sure, but it's meant as illustration into the employee side of the discussion
Pujols is going in thinking about everything he’s done to increase the company’s revenue, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to throw all that out the window when we talk about potential contracts.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
well
ten albert’s agent should explain to him that that’s not how it works
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Based on his peers' contracts,
That seems to be exactly how it works if you are Alfonso Soriano, Alex Rodriguez, or Ryan Howard. Now, those contracts are genuinely awful, but this is how he would be thinking about it.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
The projection systems won't do that.
They are looking at his past production and projecting his future production off of that while also factoring in what is objectively known about physical decline. If he had not done what he has done in his career, no one would be talking wither $300MM or 10 years in regards to a player entering his age 31 or 32 (depending on when the extension starts) season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
And while the idea of matching every $4 million to a win over a replacement player is one that the FO should start with, they is going to be an additional amount to pay over that because of his, well, Pujolsian production to date.
I was trying to say that your point about matching contract value to production isn’t going to be possible in his next extension.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
someone bring pitch forks
someone bring the torches
I’ll bring the legion of unholy frog demons to suck their souls.
Miles, in at third for his defense
When Pedro Guerrero was the Cards' 1Bman....
they were still my favorite team. If they don’t sign Albert to a $300MM contract, I’ll be fine with it.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i've thought about this
and i think i’d be somewhat ok with it.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
This so hard for me to wrap my head around.
I have no emotional attachment to Pujols and there seems like a well reasoned argument not to extend him. I can’t imagine walking away from the team if they don’t sign Albert.
Yet everyone I talk to says the same thing you do. . .
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I would not walk away from the team if they don't sign albert
but, Id be really disheartened and I think it would take a WS win the next year to get me to move on.
That would be hard
but if there was a believable argument for it and it was a good return.
I would struggle with that but I don’t have the same attachment to Pujols.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I would live without Pujols
I’d still have Yadier, Boog, Rasmus and Waino – but it would be very hard.
Me too
it’d be hard to see him playing for another NL team, though, and I’d think that there’s a better-than-zero chance of him turning out for one.
I’d rather lose Albert than Waino, from an emotional attachment point of view.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be a hard choice...Albert or Waino.
From emotional point of view take away the money each makes. It would be hard either way.
I was about to suggest just that
in 10 years 30M probably won’t be worth what it is today, backload it some so it is more like 35-37 in the last years and have him defer some.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
This made me laugh.
in 10 years 30M probably won’t be worth what it is today
Not laughing at what you said, just at the way you said it. It hit my funny bone.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Albert should absolutely take that
Assuming he’s been keeping up with his Paul Krugman and the apparent trend towards deflation.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
i could see a
7 yr/$210M contract if albert wants $30M a year. personally, i think he’d go for $25M a year.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
I don't see him signing for less than Howard.
I wonder what leads Rosenthal to state that the Cardinals likely won’t be able to sign Pujols to an extension and Strauss to put the odds at 50/50? Is the rationale purely monetary?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Why do I hate this team?
I love this team on paper, but I hate them when I watch them. (like Mizzou football against Oklahoma)
I have really enjoyed watching some Card’s teams in the past that didn’t make the playoffs, but this team is so frustrating. Why?
Cardinals are known for good baserunning and defense. This team has not been good at either despite the talent to be good at both. In particular, the defense of Ryan and Rasmus has been much worse than expected. (Although improving.) Yadi and Albert don’t seem as good as in the past few years. On the baserunning side, Holiday has been among the worst in baseball. (he has been thrown out on the bases about 20 times this year already.) The rest of the team has been pretty bad as well…especially for a team that takes no chances in front of Albert.
Hustle and attitude: It is taboo around here to say it in the media, but the lack of hustle shown by Yadi and Albert down to first is noticed by all. I am sure that the players don’t like that those two are allowed to steal bases when they want, run through stop signs, jog down to first base while the rest of them are expected to play be the coaches rules. The attitude on this team is stagnant. They rarely seem to have any fun and don’t play with a sense of urgency. This is often the case with teams that are expected to run away with a division race. Apathy sets in and they think they can just turn it on later. Let’s hope they can.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
Just to be fair.
I know you said “improving”. Boog has looked pretty damn good of late. At the plate and in the field. He would be the first to tell you he has sucked this year. And Rasmus hasn’t looked nearly as bad on flyballs in the second half as his did at the start, but when you look as bad as he did, anything is an improvement.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll make the argument that NO team can go through this season and not be emotionally beaten down.
if you think we’re frustrated, those players are ten times worse. I don’t think we can blame the team for going through ten, twenty games at a time when they had series in-hand and didn’t close the deal. they’re not having any fun because they’re not winning consistently.
the other thing is, this whole thing where we speculate about how the team thinks is just that: speculation.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i agree the caste systems has significant downside
i personally find it embarrassing as a cards fan, but nada will change until tlr moves on
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Reds vs. Cardinals
Records:
Reds, 64-48
Cards, 61-49
Run Differential:
Reds, +90
Cards, +80
Team FIP:
Reds, 4.32
Cards, 3.91
Team wOBA:
Reds, .339
Cards, .328
So, why do I think the Reds are so good and the Cardinals are so bad?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Are run differential is a bit skewed by that
18-4 drumming we took by Houston
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 9, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
2 games in hand FTW!!!!
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
because everyone told you
the cardinals should win the division by 10 games this year and push 95 wins?
Miles, in at third for his defense
I think it is certainly colored by expectations.
Not the least of which being exposed to Brendan Ryan’s and Skip Schumaker’s splits regularly. I also think that living and breathing a team makes you much more aware of their flaws. I don’t watch the Reds that often. I don’t suffer through their bad series or late game blow-ups.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And they are on pace for 90 wins
It’s not conceivable that they could play up to 95?
Losing Lohse and Penny, not to mention Freese, as well as Pujols underperforming by about .100 points of OPS hurts a lot. The Reds on the other hand have Scott Rolen playing like it’s 2004 and Joey Votto playing like he’s Albert Pujols.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
because the reds have
the skill of coming back late in games and we don’t?
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
skill?
luck?
Cardinals:
Comeback Wins: 23, Largest Comeback: 4
Blown Leads: 16, Largest Blown Lead: 7
Walk-off Wins: 5
Walk-off Losses: 8
Reds:
Comeback Wins: 33, Largest Comeback: 4
Blown Leads: 17, Largest Blown Lead: 8
Walk-off Wins: 4
Walk-off Losses: 7
10 more comeback wins. That’s um, a lot.
Miles, in at third for his defense
which is why we're so hot about decision-making late in the game.
circle of life.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
when leading after 7 innings
Cards 49-3
Reds 50-3
more telling stat – record when scoring fewer than 3 runs
Reds 3-21 (21.4% of the games played)
Cards 5-30 (31.8% of the games played)
Reds have scored 54 more
and allowed 44 more runs than the Cards in two more games played. Reds average 0.4 runs more a game.
depends on what the definition of comeback is
is it defined as 7th inning or later?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
not there
i believe that is defined as winning after being down. I’m sure being down 1-0 in the first counts.
Miles, in at third for his defense
yeah and i wouldn't necessarily consider that situation the same as being down 2 in the 8th
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
it seems to be earlier in the game
than the 7th inning. Page 4 on yesterday’s Cards game notes have the team as 4-38 when trailing after 7 innings.
The definition might be something like down after 5 complete innings, but even that seems to late to account for 23 wins.
if I wanted a comeback, I'd....
nevermind
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I would guess the next question is,
How many comebacks were in that bandbox of theirs and how many were on the road?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS was NOT ME......
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/how-now-busted-cow
But might be if we don’t win this year!
:=8O
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
oh sure it wasn't.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that the highest of the season?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
17 K's will do that.
Let’s see, a complete game gives you 37 to add to the base 50, 17 more is 104. So he allowed 1 hit and walked 2?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is game score?
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Game Score...
Game Score is a metric devised by Bill James to determine the strength of a pitcher in any particular baseball game. To determine a starting pitcher’s game score:
Start with 50 points.
Add 1 point for each out recorded, so 3 points for every complete inning pitched.
Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th.
Add 1 point for each strikeout.
Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed.
Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed.
Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed.
Subtract 1 point for each walk.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Dan if u need a new phone i work at ATT
Come see me, ill hook u up with one u can watch the games on.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 11:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I gotta question for ya.
When the hell is ATT going to put some more damn towers in? One reasonably close would be nice. I’ve had one for about 6 years and if I want to use it, I have to drive two miles down the road.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Where do you live, zip code?
& ill try and find out for you
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
62849
Please and thank you.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not an ATT employee but I am a jackass
You do realize that zipcode is kinda in the middle of no where, right? You’re probably going to get shoddy reception regardless of the carrier.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Ummm yeah. Lived here all my life.
That’s why I was asking if they were going to put another tower in. Been saying they were going to for ten years. Half the zip code has cell service, the other half doesn’t. What’s the harm in asking?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
O, there's no harm.
I just expected you to be in San Fran or NY because ATT gets pilloried regularly for their service there.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Bring U-Verse to my neighborhood, please and thank you.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Where do u live I can let u know if they are planning on getting it out there anytime soon.
I had to wait a while for uverse too. I have it now though its awesome
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh me too
they have it in my city. Just not my block. People about 5 blocks away from me can get it.
I hate you guys btw.
Miles, in at third for his defense
If you wanna email me your address ill put it in an address case on it
Usually if your that close they can get a tech to do it, or at the least I can let you know exactly when you can get it…..
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can you put a formal channel request for MLB Network?
Please?
No MLB Network makes bailorg a less than happy U-verse customer.
I work for At&t too
I’m an RSC in a st louis area COR store, i’m actually on my lunch now. And i as well cannot get U-verse, there DirecTv is still ok because I get my Packers on Sunday Ticket and the DSL is sweet but god i wish i had that 1.5 upload that the higher u-verse speeds get for my Xbox Live, that would be wesome
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 9, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Vesting option update...
Trever Miller, Cardinals. The lefty needs 45 appearances for his $2MM option to vest, and he’s made 41 on the season. He could lock in next year’s salary within a week, though a DL-worthy left arm or shoulder injury changes this to a club option.
ever wonder why Reyes was always the first lefty out of the pen...
… nothing to see here folks.
Miles, in at third for his defense
Too bad for the Cardinals that Reyes sucks.
He’s gonna cost them twice over.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I'm broadly okay with Miller back for 2m
he’s been a lot worse this year but that was coming down from an EXCELLENT 2009. I still think there’s a fair chance he’s worth that next year, and, frankly, we have ZERO inernal options with Norrick and MacLane basically sucking this year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This game tonight is HUGE
I think whoever wins tonight wins the series..
Our best matchup is tonight:
Carp has dominated the Reds and it looks like Leake is hitting the rookie wall. Hes been getting rocked lately.
If we get the win tonight I like our chances to take the series or even sweep. Garcia will be well rested tomorrow and we actually have hit Cueto well all year. Then on Wenseday you have to like our chances with Waino. He didnt have a great start his last trip to Cincy but I he always steps up and pitches well in big games. Arroyo will be tough though.
I like the matchups we have for.this series, I think tonights game is really gonna set the tone for the series though and it is our best shot at a win.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think we're clearly the favorites in this series
Carp, Garcia and Wainwright is about as tough as it gets.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 9, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I agree
Especially if Pujols stays on his tear. He likes hitting in their ballpark.
The only thing that worries me is our bullpen. They are well rested but Reds have a tough lineup and im sure there will be some close games late. Although, cincys bullpen isnt that great either so that may offset it.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Little Leaguers would like hitting in that park.
As long as Kmac does well, I think the bullpen might carry thru.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullpen?
Adam don’t need no stinkin’ bullpen.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's gonna be a playoff atmosphere this series
But we can’t look at it like they’re must win… It would help us greatly if we win 2/3, but we’ll be in okay shape if we don’t
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Hmmmm, work tonight, but TV in the break room and management has finally splurged to get cable.
….which means I’ll hardly be working tonight. Hahaha
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Holy crap
Edmonds has a .843 OPS and 2.6 WAR per FanGraphs. His BABIP is high but he’s also leading the majors in LD rate (per FanGraphs). Now a lot of his value comes from a ridiculous UZR score, but damn, he’s been amazing.
which counting stat was he going for? home runs?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Albert has 394
ridiculous.
go, Jimmy, go
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah Jimmy.
I think 400 hr puts him in the hall.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
ongoing conspiracy theory
Cardinals must defeat Jungian shadow in order to advance
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's the archetypal showdown.
I’m guessing that, right now, VEB’s collective unconscious is thinking about candy bars.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
collective dreaming FTW!
IHB can have the hammock.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What music are we using to synchronize the kick?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just going to guess Arcade Fire and see what happens.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
jon jay's cool and all
but if the cardinals had wanted to trade some C- relief prospect to the brewers for some veteran leadership in right field… I wouldn’t have complained.
Me neither
All though Jimmy is clearly deserving of a starting role this year, and I’d rather go with Edmonds 2.0 in center.
We got 2 months of David Freese for him!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Aug 9, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would love to see him back on the team.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
They could have at least made a waiver claim.
How hard could that be? Worst scenario is the Brewers bail and they get Edmonds for nothing.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
If the Cards won the claim
they get the player AND his existing contract (pro rated $850K plus incentives of $115K for every 25 PAs through the end of the season)
The only way the Cards could get Edmonds for nothing is to trade the Brewers Chris Duncan.
I've been wondering
if maybe he just needed some rest. A year off will give you that.
I gotta go in a sec
can anyone hook up d-dee with the Waino-Yadi handshake dance? It’s happened at least twice, maybe three times on FSM, so someone must have it.
we could use a gif.
am sharing space with a reds fan at the moment, so will be indisposed… have fun y’all.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
also
can someone fly Don King into Cincinnati for a talk with the team?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Unintelligible yet awesome
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
fixed
unintelligble but awesome and annoying
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
No it was right the first time
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
haha
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 9, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
you're only saying that because you couldn't follow it.
or you have a deep seated hatred of customized jackets
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it was like a bloodbath, a bloodbath of redemption, like Chris Carpenter hitting you in the face with ten pounds of bling
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Colby needs to sit down with Don.......
If there’s one person in the world that could teach Colby to sell it, It’s Don King.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I swear if ESPN blacks out tonights game in Chicagoland
I’m getting on the horn. ESPN, MLB, whomever. I’m gonna blow a gasket.
ESPN hates showing Cardinals in Chicago lately
the last time they were on ESPN, they showed ESPN News instead of the game! they didn’t even show some other game, they just didn’t show the baseball game… and I think it was a Saturday night! as if there aren’t a lot of Cards fans in Chicago
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
...What are you guys talking about?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
F-ing Comcast
loves to act like any Cardinals game on ESPN is being covered by a local station (happens sometimes for Bears games on MNF), and then they shunt the feed over to ESPNews. Solanus and I can survive because we have MLB.tv, but it still chafes me when I can’t watch the game on the TV and multi-task with some computer gaming. If we can only view it over the web, I’m stuck with internet solitaire and such.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
yeah
thankfully I have mlb.tv but I was over at my brother’s house and he was going to put the cards game on for me but there was no cards game on even though there should have been.
should have known it was f’m comcast. f’rs
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm very excited about tonight's game
and who would have thought we would miss Motte this much not even 2/3 into the season? he’s been quite good this year.
please no more 2 inning Franklin appearances, I have always hated that.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
Any word on Skip, and if hes gonna play tonight?
I would like that lineup before he got scratched the other night
Lopex
Justice
AP
Lego
Raz
Yadi
Jared
Carp
Boog
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 1:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If Miles starts id rather see him hit 9th
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Holliday and Pujols
Per FanGraphs, the two have been worth a combined 9 WAR this season. Only the Red Sox have had a better duo (Belre and Youk have been worth 9.3 WAR).
Good, good
Not really getting anywhere with this internship and I think I might have broken my home computer, but otherwise good. I’ve stayed off the heroine!
...And Youk is done for the year too.
Go Pujlliday!
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 9, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK
Reds acquire Jim Edmonds?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
NOOOOOOOOOOO
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 9, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, how the fuck did the Reds get him?
Doesn’t that mean like 45 teams passed on him?
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Would that be Mo or Tony?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee Edmonds would play a better 2B than Miles.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Id take Edmonds over Winn for sure
Even at this point in his career Jim is better defensively, plus Winn sucks at batting righty. So Jims def an upgrade.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But the team probably wants Jay to start a lot of games, and Jimmy probably doesn't want to be a 4th outfielder given his play this year
Fuck the Reds, now I have to root against Jimmy. God dammnit.
Now you see what I've had to deal with rooting against Rolen all this time.
Then again with Edmonds on the team I guess they will be easier to hate.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
This is just not fair.
Why can’t Rolen and Edmonds play outside of the NL Central, so I can cheer for them to have individual success?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
So doesnt that mean Jim cleared waivers and that we must have passed on him
With us having a worse record couldnt we have put in a claim just to keep them from getting him. Its not like they are juat picking up his contract, they actually made a trade
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Looks that way.
The Cards probably didn’t put in a claim because they didn’t want to take a chance of the Brewers just letting the Cards have him, salary and all.
Though I don’t recall what Edmonds is due for the rest of the year, so it seems like it wouldn’t have been a bad risk to take. Getting stuck with Edmonds at least would mean that Winn’s not here anymore.
Its probably close to the min
and he would definetely be better than trotting Winn out there for defensive replacement and would be a hell of alot better bat off the bench
by CentralILcardsfan on Aug 9, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
performance bonuses kicking in
$115,000 when he reaches 225 PA’s and another $115,000 for every 25 PA’s after that. His base salary is $850,000
He can have Miles and Suppan when he pries them from our cold dead hands
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10
by dan on Aug 9, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's about all we need.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And you know those %$##@!*s over at RR are eating this up.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
A 40 year old OF who's playing over his head?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
True.
But this Jimmy, the guy can still play in a limited role. He just can’t do it everyday and in that Little League park in Cinci, I bet he has a field day with that. It’s mostly because I wouldn’t want those obnoxious bastards at RR to have anything more to jaw about than is necessary.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, chill.
The rabble is annoying but they’re decent at the top.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I think I just hate fans of other teams
Or of anyone/thing that’s overperforming (Jimenez, Reds, Votto, etc). Am I a bad person?
The Reds are definitely overperforming,
but is Votto really playing that far above his head?
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Third-Order W/L
How are the Reds overperforming?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I see.
These are the types of arguments that can get SABR types into trouble. What is their updated projection? They may be overperforming their pre-season projection, but their results are in line with their level of performance through today.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you assume "performance"
Is the same thing as “component winning%”. It’s not. Single season numbers are still very volatile and multiple years still need to be taken into account.
Looking at the Hardball Times projections, the Reds are on pace for 93 wins and THT projects a 90 win pace going forward, so they aren’t really overperforming that much.
Right.
I don’t think they are overperforming that much. Just like I don’t think that Colby Rasmus is overperforming just because he is posting numbers superior to pre-season projections for him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
90% of their players are beating preseason projections.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
You're correct hazel, that was an unnecessary over-statement on my part.
I shouldn’t allow my less than ideal day to direct me into voicing vitriol like that. I have no idea whether they are knowledgable of their parentage or not. Just because I don’t like their team from a fan standpoint I shouldn’t assume such things.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it would be nice to have another OF'er who can catch a ball over his head.
you know instead of throwing it over the wall
I mean, Edmonds is better than Dickerson today,
but he’s probably not better than him next year or ever again after that.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
With Springer and Izzy,
Dickerson is expendable.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
FFS
what’s next for edmonds? the pirates or the ’stros?
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
by hr on Aug 9, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I would trade them Pujols, Miles, Stavinoha, Larue and Suppan
for Votto, Phillips, Arthur Rhodes, Cueto, and Ramon Hernandez
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Pujols and the Four Horsemen.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I would trade Pujols for Votto straight up.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no..I mean I wouldn't
not that no, you wouldn’t
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i hate you, walt jocketty!
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
GODDAMMIT JIMMY
The Cubs were bad enough…..at least the Brewers weren’t in contention…..but the fucking Reds?!?!?!?!
Brewers were expected to contend
And the Cubs were while he was there.
Miles, in at third for his defense
What!!!! Espn reporting reds trade dickerson to MIL for Edmonds7
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
is edmonds worth giving up dickerson?
from my limited knowledge of dickerson he is supposed to be a decent young player
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
when is the next time the reds are going to have a shot
is the real question.
Miles, in at third for his defense
yeah thats true
i guess that if they were going on all they would have made aquisitions for their starting rotation or their bullpen other than russ springer and jason isringhausen
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They have a ton of young, cost-controlled talent
They may not win it every year, but they’ll be competitive in the division for the foreseeable future.
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
I agree
Out of the non-Cardinals teams in the NL Central, the Reds and Pirates are my least-hated teams.
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 9, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they are now
But if they start taking division titles from us we may change our tune. I always thought of the Brewers as benign until about 3 years ago.
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
Good point
Although I still would prefer teams that haven’t had success for a while to finally actually have some success (well, except for the Cubs, of course)
same with the astros..then the got back to being benign, now they are harmless
except when they play us
former cardinals on the reds:
miguel cairo
scott rolen
jim edmonds
mike lincoln
russ springer
former reds on the cardinals:
ryan franklin
felipe lopez
aaron miles
jason larue
kyle lohse
dennys reyes
they’re gaining on us….
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
If you count Izzy at AAA then we're tied.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
In four appearances
a 4.91 ERA and a 1.63 WHIP in 3-2/3 innings.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 9, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So, does Edmonds try to come back next year,
and play for the Pirates and ’Stros, so he can hit every team in the division?
Is Lincoln even still on the team?
Or DL?
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but they definitely have some of our key historical players...
Rolen, Edmonds, and Izzy were pretty instrumental for us..whereas maybe Franklin would’ve been good with them.
former cards on the reds > former reds on the cards
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
I thought Dickerson was out for the year?
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 1:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Reds fans are stoked...
this might be the biggest series in 10 years for them. They have 2/3 of the MV3, Buzz Bissinger just said Jocketty was the best GM in baseball, and our jenius manager has finally gone around the bend. I wanna puke.
Fire La Russa!
they're so stoked that they won't even sell out the ballpark
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard this morning actually that they had sold out all 3
I think the Reds have more to loose than us in.this series, even with us being down 2 games. We would still be in the division and wild card race if we loose the series, and we have a really soft schedule the rest of the month. By far our hardest series is at home vs. SF. We finish the month with Pit,Was,Hou.
Meanwhile the Reds have a long west coast road trip against all the nl west teams. Theyve been awful on the west coast. they are so pumped for this series and I.think if they loose it will be a big blow to their momentum as they head to the west coast for sone tough matchups.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have noticed this too, everytime he posts its 'loose'. Usually spelling errors dont bother me...
but its starting to irk me as well…
'Hold my stones!'
Fire Tony LaRussa
I'm going to go watch the classic Clint Eastwood film
Any Which Way But Lose.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not following this meme.
You guys are loosing me.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the urge to stab all of you is strong.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Spants, what have you done with Y2S?
VEB can’t afford to loose him.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
you know, the longer this thread goes,
the more I suspect the GOB will hear and comply.
and y’all will have no one to blame but yourselves.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Y2S is right, we need to loose this shtick.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Just cut it foot loose then.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
you need to chill out and drink some juice or something.

Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
bingo.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
i don't know if "...never ever..is at all grammatically appropriate..
but what does it mean…it has always confused me. Is it not ever (echo for emphasis) ever..ever..?
didn't think he was canadian
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'd go so far to say it is even better
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!
YOU ALL GO TO HELL!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize that Edmonds didn't have any say in this...
…but does it sort of feel to anyone else like Jimmy is trying to spite St. Louis?
I mean, he signs with the Cubs after being released by the team to which we traded him. He then signs with the Brewers, who many considered to be the next challenger in the central. Now, he’s traded to the Reds, with whom the Cardinals are engaged in a division battle.
It’s irrational on my part, but some part of me feels like he’s trying to stick it to the Cardinals.
he did say he wanted to play here this off season
and we didn’t sign him.
Miles, in at third for his defense
You can't get ahead
if you’re busy getting even.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Whether it is intentional or unintentional, the facts are the facts.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Walt's trying to get his old boys back together...
Jeff Suppan may be trying to clear waivers soon, he should jump on it.
he should be all over looper as well
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So is currently
2 away games while the Cardinals are also away??
Coincidence?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
FULL MOON! FRIDAY THE THIRTEENTH! METEORITES!
and it’s all true.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
personally, I'm pretty pissed off that Walt has a van and we can't seem to use ours.
all on you, Fredbird. all on you.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hey
i take no responsibility
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
but I'm agreeing with your username
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well... that goes without saying
excuse me while I go find somebody’s head to beak
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
kinky
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
food dammit... food!
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, does anyone know where Preston Wilson is?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tried to get an invite to spring training this year.
Never happened.
Not sure whether he is playing independent ball or what.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he played Indy ball last year.
…and Google says:
2009 Long Island Ducks
2010 Waiting for a call from the 314
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
so he's ... dun dun dun
unaccounted-for?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
We need a player on our team with a do-rag.
For posterity.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I never understood how they couldn't have an official one for the Cardinals
don’t other teams have that as part of their equipment?
well, other than lack of players who need it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The beard-rags aren't as popular.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
That would be hilarious if the bullpen guys wore hairnets on their beards
when pitching.
This should be a spring training commercial next year. Motte, K-Mac, and Franklin serving cafeteria food with beardnets.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Needs to happen.
Guys in the Truck, make it so.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
I don't trust them after that Avatar shite.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or the bizarre birthday shite. or Rick Horton.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Who can we trust now?
TLR
Moz
Guys in the Truck
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Dee Dee Pujols, obviously.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
charity work necessities.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It could be a Supp kitchen.
Because Suppan will be out of baseball and retired.
Supp can make a cameo like Emmitt Smith in the rocker during the Just for Men commercials.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...um...we don't really have the type of players
that would use that equipment.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
they would probably also shave their heads to fit in.
“Hey, this is Kyle Loh—” BZZZZZZZZ “—dude, wait till he sits down!”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Spezio, pleaseo!
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
I was there for that.
Please don’t bring it up again.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ankiel I guess
I’d rather have no one destroy or play off chances.
Miles, in at third for his defense
Ankiel by a mile.
He deserves it far more than that half-shirt wearing check swing strikeout machine double-vision having backstabber
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Silver Lining:
Over at Red Reporter they’re saying Edmonds will push La(y?)nce Nix off the roster. So that’s going for us
nix more valuable then winn too
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I can see the headline now...
Reds Nix Nix.
Write that down.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
later, when he has an unpleasant boil or bunion on his foot requiring medical treatment
“Laynce lanced”
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No Miles!
Lopez 3B
Jay RF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Rasmus CF
Molina C
Skip 2B
Carp P
Ryajn SS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I thought for sure that is how TLR would counter the Edmonds trade.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I've finally figured out a valid reason for Miles to be on the roster, actually.
Think Alex Cintron, 2002.
Just wait for the updated lineup to come out a few hours later
Miles leading off playing 3B!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
who's this ryajn guy? never heard of him.
/kidding
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
Wait...
Is TLR puting a good lineup on the field? This cannot be.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
he just got a cortisone shot in his wrist
you don’t get one of those if the club is being coy about an injury.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 9, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Edmonds is a glue guy
I don’t know if the Reds need glue but the Cardinals do. Mo how did you let this get past you.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Because we don't need Edmonds?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
wouldn't you replace Winn with Edmonds?
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Can't do it
Number 15 is taken by Jay.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
It's a lateral move at best
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Right.
No one is a bigger fan of Edmonds than me, but we don’t need him. We don’t have the PAs for him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
why do PAs matter?
if every winn at bat and inning in the field was replaced by jed, would we be better off?
yes, except tlr
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Because we have two good, young lefthanded hitting outfielders that should receive those PAs over JED.
We just cleared an OF glut by trading Ludwick. Why would create a whole new one by trading for Edmonds? If we’re adding veteran OFers, then we just never should have traded Ludwick.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
so we're better off with winn?
what is he, a .200 hitter right handed?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I don't think you are giving the glue enough credit.
Edmonds rallied the team in 2006 with the game ball thing. There is isn’t anyone on the team who does that now. Yes, this is a qualitative argument rather than quantitative argument.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
We don't know that for sure
Maybe there’s a guy like that, and it’s just not something they’ve shared with Joe Strauss or the post-game show guys.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
I can't help but think..
…that if such a guy existed in this clubhouse, Ryan would somehow have mentioned it by now. He doesn’t strike me as the circumspect type.
You should have tried to cut it short.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Your comment was
just a little snippet.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip Schumaker, Chris Carpenter, Ryan Ludwick
oh, wait.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm gonna go with the Detroit Tigers pitching turning into the Bad News Bears
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
we had to beat the Padres and the Mets first
nobody gave us a snowball’s chance to do either of those things….frankly the way they played in September, they needed something to beat San Diego….
And the playoffs being a crapshoot?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Lineups what we thought, no Miles! Yay!
Lopex
Jay
Ap
Holliday
Raz
Yadi
Skip
Carp
Boog
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry dint realize it was already posted
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i admire your mobile dedication.
i haven’t ever seen you not post from your phone.
what phone are you using?
Edmonds playing CF and hitting 5th for the Reds
…I think this is good for us
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
But he's got an 18.5 UZR this year in CF!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Don't look at July 3rd
As I recall, Jimmy went deep and 3 for 4 against Carp that day while wearing a Brew Crew uniform.
SD
That was off of Ottavino.
Carp had already exited the game at that point.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? How are Jims numbers vs. Carp?
Rest of reds lineup?
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Edmonds is 3 for 9, from what I can see.
All 3 hits are singles.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind, that's out-dated.
He’s 7 for 20 w/1 RBI, 3 Ks, and 2 GIDPs.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
........................
Carp in GABP for his career
.195/.229/.385/.614
7.83 SO/BB
2.49 ERA
Carp vs. Reds for his career
.193/.233/.314/.547
6.93 SO/BB
1.96 ERA
He’s basically turned the Cincinnati Reds into the Cincinnati Aaron Mileses in his career. Somehow, that gives me a bad feeling about tonight.
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
Thanks for clearing that up....
I was hoping they had a stat for that
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I thought last time they played...
All I heard was “carp dominates the Reds” & I was thinking, oh shit he gonna get slammed tonighg just bc theyre saying this. But if I remember correctly he was lights out good.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
vs. Reds lineup tonight for his career
Phillips 5/26, 2 2B, .192/.222/.269/.491
Nix 2/12, 1 HR, .167/.231/.417/.647
Votto 6/15, 1 HR, .400/.471/.600/1.071
Rolen 5/19, 1 2B, 1 HR, .263/.364/.474/.837
Edmonds 7/20, 1 2B, .350/.409/.400/.809
Bruce 3/16, 1 HR, .188/.188/.313/.500
Hernandez 4/28, 1 2B, .143/.172/.179/.351
Janish 0 PA
Leake 0 PA
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
(not that you can really take anything meaningful from these numbers)
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
Im surprised thats the lineup they are going with...
I guess Dusty really likes the leftys vs Carp. Interesting to see Nix over Gomes. I also heard Phillips was banged up and might not play but I guess he is. Regardless, I like sering that lineup, it def isnt cincys best. I dont see what Nix offerd batting 2nd: no speed, doesnt hit for avg.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FFUUUUUUUUUUU
Wakamatsu let go
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
even bigger FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU
jimmy ballgame now a red! (sorry to hear that, btw)
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
So, for purely selfish reasons
If Jack’s let go somewhere in the near future, MUCH higher chance of me getting hired by the Mariners
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No, but if Jack goes, then most of the front office goes with him, which means they'll be looking to hire new guys
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Just curious
Why is that a “FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU”?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
i believe mysterui could have a spot in the mariners org lined up for him.
he works for them, or something like that.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
I know that
I’m curious why the manager getting canned makes him upset? He’s in the front office.
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
No, firing the manager has nothing to do with that
It was just unexpected for me. I figured Wak would get one more year, but after doing some research, there was a pretty big rift between he and Jack
Money quote from Jack:
“I no longer have confidence that Don, Ty and Rick are the right long-term fit for our organization. New leadership is needed and it is needed now”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
So when is your press conference and what jersey number are you going to wear?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be hired as AAA Tacoma's bench coach. Announcement to come at 3:00 PST
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
seriously?
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
i'm gullible, sorry.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
It's OK...just take a look at those footprints on the ceiling.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
must... not... look... up...
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
Jack just called me into his office
Fired me on the spot. Told me to pack up my belongints; that this season was my fault.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I read your performance review.
I’m surprised you lasted this long, to be honest with you.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping, for your sake, that they would give you a shot at the vacant
performance coach position.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Weren't there rumblings among the players about Wak's managing?
I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.
A little bit... There were just a lot of problems
Wak was unhappy with how the Chone Figgins thing played out
FO was unhappy with how the Jr. thing played out
Wak was reportedly unhappy with the FO’s moves in the offseason
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Trading starters for relievers is never very smart
But I understand what the Mariners were thinking… Morrow has a pretty obvious inverted L in his delivery, so they didn’t think he would hold up for the long haul. That still might hold true, but the trade definitely looks bad right now
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Bert Blyleven had a pretty obvious inverted L in his delivery
5000 innings later, he was forced to retire…
Pedro Martinez had a pretty obvious inverted L in his delivery
Adam Wainwright has a pretty obvious inverted W in his delivery
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've never seen Bert Blyleven pitch, so I defer to you on that one
Pedro had shoulder problems in his career (Inverted L doesn’t make you ineffective)
Wainwright… I mean, it’s way too early to tell, and you know that. Who knows if he gets injured or not.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Pedro had 2500 innings under his belt before shoulder injuries cropped up
And the dude was 170 pounds soaking wet throwing 97 mph, I’d say his mechanics were effective at preventing injury.
Freddy Garcia got to 1600 innings before his “the literal opposite of an inverted L Pie Throwing” mechanics led him to shred his shoulder too. Of course TPG in retrospect finds some “subtle timing flaw” AKA it’s a WAG.
Andrew Miller—-the consensus top talent in that draft at the time—-is the one who lost all his velo despite not a hint of the “whippy” arm action and Morrow is the one throwing 17 K shutouts.
Unless we are talking Prior/Reyes “elbow is above the dude’s head”, all of that is purely guessing.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am not familiar with this WAG acronym
And I mean, yeah, pitching injuries are really hard to predict. I understand people who don’t subscribe to the inverted W/L theory, but I think that there’s just as much evidence going the other way.
Morrow, to me, just doesn’t seem like he’s going to stand up over the long haul. His release looks max effort to me, he DOES have an inverted L, and he throws plenty of sliders
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
umm, who cares if Pedro Martinez had shoulder problems?
He was Pedro f’ing Martinez.
That’s like Boston saying “well, Babe Ruth DID have a weight problem.”
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 9, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Point
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Your head
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
not really, but that's cute. try not to get your feelings hurt on the internet.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 9, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was probably unnecessarily snarky
Sorry about that
But I did admit that yes, Pedro Martinez was awesomely successfuly, but he wasn’t without shoulder problems
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
or rather, it would be
if Babe Ruth had been out of baseball at age 37 and largely ineffective after age 33.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Does this go into the record books as a Wak Off?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't waino originally supposed to start tonight?
or was that just me?
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
there was a little bit of lineup tom foolery
so we could have Carp, Garcia, and Wainwright all go today. Not sure if Wainwright would have been inline for that or not.
Miles, in at third for his defense
Suppan was moved from Friday to Sunday
so that Adam could pitch on normal rest and also pitch the last game of the Cincy series.
One of TLR’s good decisions cause he also projected a rainout yesterday and didn’t want to waste a Waino start.
Good graphic I just found at Lookout Landing

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Oops, there's a second

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
This should be stapled
to the bill of LaRussa’s cap.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
that's similar to the "process/outcome" chart
that Paul Depodesta published in the book “more than you know”. Good read if you have a chance to pick it up, but there is a similar “feedback” issue present in each- how do you know if your process is ACTUALLY good?
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
If ever I needed Carp to not give a fuck about the standings and pitch brilliant it is tonight
I told you guys last week about my dying uncle. Well I got a phone call this morning that my grandpa has brain cancer.
I don’t know if the GOBs ever compare notes with God. But if they do, or at the very least if they read VEB, I could really a use a night when Chris Carpenter DEFILES the Reds. It has been probably the shittiest 24 hours I can remember, and seeing dipshit Gomes and douchebag Votto flailing at air would really make me feel better.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
wow. really sorry to hear that...
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
i'd be perfectly content with a 1hitter and 17ks
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That sucks, man.
I had a grandparent go through a similar scenario. You’ve got my sympathy.
And I think you’ll get your wish about Carp tonight. I’ve just had a funny feeling all day about the game. Somethng along the lines of CCDNGAFATRTTCWTC. (Chris Carpenter Does Not Give A Fuck About The Reds Thinking They Can Win The Central.)
Let there be luggage!
I should be purchasing samsonite stocks for my IRA
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
??I dont know....when the reds get the Samsonite logo tatooed on their face
they might sue CVC Capital Partners Ltd
Fred, I lost
my papaw to brain cancer a few years ago, and he half raised me. I’m feeling for you, my friend.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
thanks
it sucks for sure
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to hear that, FredbirdisaDork
I hope everything works out for the best.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 9, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Man this is going to be a big nostalgic trip
seeing Rolen & Edmonds back to back in a line-up for the fans….I can just imagine what Tony will be thinking. Walt is playing mindgames with Cardinal Nation for sure!
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
walt upgraded
stubbs was kind of sucking and he is all in with what he has. not willing to dump young potential core players, he’s doing his usual waiver dive
what puzzles me is, why did we not see a winn-ed exchange as a good thing baseball-wise
could he really hurt team chemistry?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Nostalgia might have created animosity.
Colby seems to be a headcase as it is. Imagine if they would have brought Edmonds back.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Im surprised too. I guess the Cardinals dont think.Edmonds will help the Reds
At the very least they could of put in a claim just to keep cincy from getting him, and worst case scenario we have to pick up his cheap contact and drop Winn.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jimmy :-(
Jimmy…..
On the plus side, nice to see Jocketty mortgaging the future of a team that’s probably going to only get better in the next couple of years by moving one of their best young OFers for a rental. Rare good move for the Brewers this year, too.
But….. Oh Jimmy…..
Still bitching to contact.
That's Walt's M.O., though, isn't it?
I mean, there’s a reason the Cards’ farm system is in the state it’s in. All the Larry Walkers and Will Clarks and the like cost prospects, and Walt never seemed to hesitate to trade the future for now.
Yea and it hasnt helped our farm system
That Walts disciple, Mo, has been following in his footsteps with the same approach
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No but last year the couple tradea Mo made
Were of similar mindset. Trading away prospects for the present. Really what I was trying to say is that our farm system being depleted has to do with Mo making those same types of moves
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 4:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The farm system's job is the fuel the major league team
That can be done either through trading prospects for veterans or by promoting the prospects to the Major League team
Walt’s MO was almost exclusively through the former. Mo’s MO (lol see what I did there?) has been a pretty healthy mix
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Trades....
and its in its present state due to moves both of them have made*
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if our farm system is depleted
it’s cause we’ve promoted a bunch of guys from AAA over the last two seasons….we traded Gregerson, Perez, and Todd; but we promoted Rasmus, Motte, Boggs, Garcia, Ryan, Greene, Freese, Hawksworth, etc….
Let's hope the Reds remember to rub up the baseballs tonight....
otherwise Carpenter might lose control of one of his pitches and “hurt one of their players, and no one wants to see that happen”
I love that quote from Carpenter after the last issue with GABP and the lack of mud on the baseballs. Carpenter is a magician with his words. I love how he can pretty much say, “rub the damn balls up, or I will bean your players and they will get hurt” without ever saying that. We all knew what he meant by it…. i love it. Give em hell, Carp!
“We had this issue last year and again today,” Carpenter said. “There was absolutely no question. I got balls that there was nothing wrong with. (Either) they make an adjustment or look into it, (or) ultimately, somebody’s going to get hurt. Something’s going to get away, or whatever, and end up getting somebody in the head. I hope that doesn’t happen.”
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
There was something from Jim Callis on Twitter about him not thinking a Wilson signing
was likely.
Nothing from the organization though.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
More likely than it was when we drafted him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
WHAT ABOUT JORDAN SWAGGERTY????
Future of the franchise if you ask me…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And Jenkins has supposedly said no to his Baylor scholarship
so I expect they’re just finalising that deal. I think him and Cox are almost certain to sign. Wilson I think almost certainly won’t.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 9, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
does anyone have that lookout landing
fanpost where they all wrote poetry about the team and imitated various famous poets of old?
iirc, it’s their highest rec’d thing ever and i just don’t know how to find it.
anybody else concerned about their productivity for the next three days?
I’m sitting here trying to think of ways to cancel absolutely everything thru Wednesday night and I don’t think I can….
Yes.
I imagine I will be sitting in my living room, watching the game tonight and at 9:30 I’ll be like “Oh, it’s dark out? Damn, I missed dinner. Shit, I didn’t feed the dogs either.”
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
already switched my hours around to catch the espn game tonight.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Welp, that'll be an unproductive morning for me at work
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Hey, I've been plenty productive today
I just SEEM unproductive because my job is to sit at my computer and perform slow tasks that allow me to browse the internet often
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
The day after the US-Brazil friendly, no less.
I think I got the black lung, pop.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Did You Know?
12 years ago on this date, the Rangers sent Darren Oliver, Fernando Tatis, and Mark Little to the Cardinals for Royce Clayton and Todd Stottlemyre.
Tatis!
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the Rangers got Stottlemyre for the playoffs?
Didn’t he pitch against the NYY?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 9, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Pitched very well (2 ER over 8 IP), but they lost.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Momentous!
Or something.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 9, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Walt Franken-Jocketty
WJ has allegedly traveled to Canada and inserted an adamantium skeleton into Larry Walker; replaced Mark Mulder’s left arm with a bionic arm; and just signed Preston Wilson. All are part of the 40-man roster and expected to be in the line-up as the Reds take on the Cardinals. Next up on WJ’s to-do list: Have Chris Duncan meet with Dr. Drew to kick his chew habit, have Dunc pinch hitting by September 3rd.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
what about Shelley Duncan?
Walt might throw that in.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
where's jose vizcaino these days?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 9, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Last seen...

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 9, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
...did you just do that?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That would be awesome
but no, it’s an oldie.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
rec
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 9, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
and I'll rec these sonsabitches every time they are posted
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!
where Juan Encarnacion these days?
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!
flagged.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 9, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Walt's probably getting him a six million dollar eye
it’s probably a 60 million dollar eye nowadays
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!
LOST IN TIME ITSELF.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
when are we making up the Colorado series?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
SHIT IS GOING DOWN
From Buster Olney: Heard this: There is a lot of unrest right now among some of the Mariners’ player development and scouting folks.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Sounds like your internship is ending at the right time.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
take a souvenir before the real looting sets in
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
tell him So Taguchi sent you!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Quick, grab as many office supplies as you can carry.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Are they trading their system
staright up for the A’s?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
BUT THE MANAGER AND FRONT OFFICE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE
TLR/Mo must be having fist fights.
Not afraid to nitpick
hey my friend who works for the mariners said on her facebook:
“another interesting day in professional sports….”
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Yes. I agree with this assessment.
I was gonna ask the asst. GM out to lunch again, but I feel like it’d be a bad idea
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
did something happen that is actually public knowledge?
i’ve been a black hole of air conditioning repair hell all day
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Jack repeatedly just said "look at the whole situation"
So a combination of the Griffey ordeal, Figgins ordeal, on field product, and whatever else has happened this season
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
firings, IHB
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Everybody forgets about Steve Hecht, the performance coach or something
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Wha?
Wakamatsu, Rick Addair (Pitching coach), Ty Vanburkleo (Bench coach), and Steve Hecht were all let go
The hitting coach Alonzo Powell is still with the team
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i guess we know which of the four coup-plotters dimed the others out.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 10, 2010 2:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
heh...
Starter Chris Carpenter has been asleep on the clubhouse couch for more than an hour. Joked Marty Mason: “Our starter looks nervous.”
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Power Naps, but that works too
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
it must be very, very, very, very, very, very quiet in that clubhouse.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There's a sign on the door.
“Quiet. Luggage swinger sleeping.”
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Want do die instantly? Wake him up.
I dare you.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i love chris carpenter.
the end.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
"...then i went and got a haircut"
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 9, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sorta OT: i hate stupid lines
Although the Cardinals boast the pocket aces, the Reds have better overall rotation and pitching depth.
i’m sorry, but who the fuck cares if the reds have “better overall rotation and pitching depth” if carpenter and wainwright shut your asses the fuck down for 2/3 games of the series. doesn’t matter if the reds throw leake and arroyo (lol) at us and they give up only 3-4 runs if carp and waino give up 3-4 combined in two games. in that case, YOU STILL LOSE THE SERIES.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
though as long as the Carp and Waino cobined runs are evenly spread between two games
and we still get 3-4 runs in each of those games..we win the series
wow just read that, wish i hadn't
the author isn’t the most informed baseball fan
i bet there’s other blogs that link to the P-D boards and marginalize card fans just the same
How does P.J. Walters get PJ from Phillip Dewayne Walters?
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 5:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it's bacon!
http://www.onlineschools.org/blog/bacon/bacon.jpg
Not hot linking because its a pretty big image.
Miles, in at third for his defense
I can't believe this:
The reds sent down t.wood to make room for Edmonds…..
He has been one of their best starters lately, and has definately been better than Leake over the past couple months since he came up.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 6:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Scheduling quirk
He pitched last night, and our offdays mean we don’t need a fifth starter for the 10 days he has to be down there. But yeah, I would have rather seen us drop Nix. Wood is a mensch.
let's hope pujols stays hot.
MatthewHLeach
Pujols is putting on quite a show in BP, including one ball a good 6-7 rows deep in the upper deck.
Hopefully he can give us an encore of the season opener....
And hit a homerun in his first AB…..
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Votto is gonna be on Sports Center in a minute explaining what he admires most about Pujols.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
first pictures in of Jimmy taking BP
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cards players drifted over to him
Jimmy entrance interview.
no word yet what he’s texted Al.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Waino with the Cat.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
joking with Suppan
“Jocketty’s trying to get Eckstein and Suppan and Belliard.”
Soup apparently bought it for a second.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Waino hypes up the Georgia boys.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The Cat confirms that the Truck loves Waino.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i know i'm late to the party, but HFS!!! Edmonds to the Reds!
what is jocketty trying to do here?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I think it's pretty clear that they're going to sign Larry Walker to take over for Jay Bruce
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I figured out possibly why Adam's growing the new facial hair
he looks like a young Smoltz
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Waino says he's only getting stronger.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'll counter by signing Preston Wilson
I don’t have a baseball team, he’s just going to hang out and make me smile.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
all lined up they do look like Amish
Amish and Hawksworth.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
how many '06 rings in the park, then?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Shannon says "well, unless he could play third base..."
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've got a bad feeling about this

Feels like perfect storm of bad:
-Rolen playing against us
-Edmonds playing against us
-Playing the current division leader (on the road)
-Carpenter owns this team (normally)
-We’re playing on National TV
We either win this by 10, or lose this one by 10.
Hear me baby? Hold together
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Damn I just realized this game starts at 6 not 7
Is that because its an espn game or do they usually start at 6 in cincy?
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2010 6:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it is
game starts in 7 minutes.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
correct...
Because Indiana is weird and has 2 time zones durring daylight savings half the state is central and half is east. then durring the winter indiana is all central… that always drove me nuts when i drove through
hate to break it to you
but Cincy is in Ohio
by ubeddie on Aug 9, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can we get a game please...
I can’t wait 11 more minutes…
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Say gamethread 3 times.
Maybe it’s like Beetlejuice.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 9, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
tonight's a must-win
really, we gotta win 2 of 3 to get a chance at the central.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.

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