Felipe Lopez: Instant Depth
by DanUpBaby on Aug 6, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintSkip Schumaker sucking, Brendan Ryan being talked narrowly off the ledge by Joe Mather—this was apparently all prologue, as reasons to laud John Mozeliak's Lopez pickup go, for the moment in which David Freese revealed he was made from delicate space shuttle parts fastened tgether with fragile strands of adult stem-cells.
As long as Lopez is healthy the question of whether Allen Craig is a third baseman at this moment—so thoroughly discussed, among other topics, in yesterday's comment thread—seems mostly academic. Lopez has been adequate there defensively in his MLB career, and a rehabbing Tyler Greene looms as a satisfying balm for continued Schumaker and Ryan flareups. Meanwhile, the Cardinals have explicitly shown themselves to be comfortable with Joe Mather's defense at third, and even with his post-break swoon I think they'd go to him before they ceded the position to Craig.
So while I'd love to see the team continue to get Craig low-leverage innings at third—a concept with which I never thought I'd need to be familiar, but this is how being a Cardinals fan works—to see if he could be in La Russa's undoubtedly complicated 2011 mix, for now it seems like Freese's ankle's self-destruction is the last and most impressive of Felipe Lopez's patch jobs.
How good is Felipe Lopez? Good enough that his own injury problems, which cost him the first half of May, didn't lead the Cardinals to call up Aaron Miles. So there's that.
As we come through yesterday's long off-day, take a look at the numbers Lopez has put up at each of the three positions in which he is chief understudy, and think about how this season would feel if Joe Thurston had made the team instead.
At shortstop Lopez has hit .242/.324/.452, with eight of the Cardinals' 31 RBI from the position in 62 at-bats; in May, when Ryan's hold on the position and reality was at its most tenuous, he returned from injury to provide an .856 OPS. I didn't want to see Lopez play shortstop, if the Cardinals could avoid it, and defensively he's been subpar as ever there; UZR has him at -4 in 143 innings, which would not be worth talking about if I had a better way of establishing that he can't really play shortstop.
But he stood out there, as Aaron Miles would have done, and he hit the ball, as Aaron Miles would not have done. He and Tyler Greene allowed the Cardinals the flexibility to let Brendan Ryan go on what was without a doubt a hilarious vision quest.
One of my ideal positions for Lopez heading into 2010—with a healthy David Freese and a hitting Brendan Ryan, you'll remember—was as a supercharged platoon partner for Skip Schumaker, so that he's made just 11 starts at second is an unfortunate reminder that he's been drafted for more pressing concerns. Schumaker's post-ASB line is... well, it's better, but his defense appears to have plateaued, and were it not for Freese's injury Lopez would be an ideal candidate to soak up more and more playing time while Schumaker continues to not hit .300.
But like the cop who's just a week away from retirement, Lopez has been pulled back into third base, which bodes ill for his survival past minute 70 of the crime-drama version of the 2010 Cardinals Official Playoff Video. Lopez has put in 370 innings at third base in 2010, the most action he's seen there since he was a 21 year-old rookie in Toronto, and if all goes according to the latest plan he'll easily exceed his career high this month. And while his availabiiity there is to no small extent a La Russian Development—the 13 innings he played there for the Cardinals in 2008 were his first experience there since one inning in 2005, and he didn't appear there at all in 2009—he's proven up to the task on defense, and a remarkably convenient replacement on offense.
It hasn't earned Mozeliak a lot of credit here because it seemed like such an obvious move from the start, but whatever the reason nobody else in the league was excited enough about Felipe Lopez to offer him a base contract clocking in at exactly $1 million. It's a good thing they didn't and he did.
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The thing is
If Craig plays 3B, then Floppy can play 2B (like he was supposed to). Rather than the Skippy/Miles combo.
And it gets more info about what to do about 3B next year. Imagine if Craig had been allowed to play 3B last year? Would have come in handy right around now…
Besides, this is a depressing team to watch. Which is saying something for a team competing for first place. But Craig at 3B makes games far more interesting.
But Craig at 3B makes games far more interesting.
Interesting is one way to put it. I just don’t think Craig should be at third unless it’s like 11 to 1 in the eighth inning. And with Freese coming back next season, I’d prefer to just keep trotting Craig out into right field. However I wouldn’t for some reason, be adverse to Greene getting some PT at third.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
you forgot the !
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 6, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotay needs a goatse?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
BY THE WAY NOBODY GOOGLE IT. JUST DON'T DO IT
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I was about to say
yeah really. don’t google it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you know i have to now
this is like the time that red baron said not to look up anime porn, and i’m thinking “what could possibly be so bad about cartoon porn?”
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
No. Seriously. Trust me.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
even the reactions to it are nasty.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i will do it not at work.
in fact, i will look it up on my boyfriend’s laptop sometime and accidentally leave the history up and freak him out
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
If you want to ruin his life
make it his desktop background.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
alright, alright.
i have no interest in being disgusted by the scum of our society anyway
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I first saw it when I was like 10 years old
I had hot flashes for years
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Call up Ruben Goatse!
He can’t be any worse than Aaron Meatspin!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
Just remember:
What has been seen cannot be unseen.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
meatspin is kinda funny, i think
not anywhere near as gross as goatse.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Two Boogs One Cup?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Andy Laroche?
RT @B_Walton #stlcards interested in #pirates 3B Andy LaRoche if he clears waivers, reports Pittsburgh Trib-Review http://bit.ly/9fsMKo
That would be fine by me.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 6, 2010 8:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Part of this is just because I used to confuse the two LaRoches
but I would not have guessed that Andy LaRoche is younger than David Freese.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Anyway, what's the deal with Andy LaRoche?
His minor league numbers look good. Hit Total Zone stuff looks decent (I think). He seems to have been very “meh” in the majors so far, but he’s still pretty young.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
PIT tax?
He seems to have been very "meh" in the majors so far, but he’s still pretty young.
Who knows with a change of scenery, he may become Jose Bautista 2.0
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Or he may become Nate McLouth 2.0
Which is not good.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Except LaRoche hasn't hit in Pittsburgh much at all,
and McLouth did.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
leave the Jews out of this
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Aug 6, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
funny how my dad mentioned about laroche last night.
offensively i don’t think he’s going to be a great add (.223 BA, .290/.299/.589 line, along w/ 3 HR and 14 RBI), but i’m sure he’ll be 1000 times better on D at 3rd than miles.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
Taking Miles' roster spot would be the biggest plus
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 6, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sadly it's funny cuz it's true. Ugh.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 6, 2010 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know. Andy LaRoche looks pretty high in GRIT
… if this picture is anything to go by. I mean, look at that dirty uniform.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
That is a dirty uniform.
A clear grit indicator. I’d say from this photographic evidence, we could have a potential dirtbag on our hands!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 6, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heheh
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 6, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hey, if the team goes on a mustache rally
they won’t have to paint them on like ronny cedeno.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
If the Rays would somehow send us Zobrist and Longoria
We would still keep Miles.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That's cause we
would trade Pujols, Molina, Wainwright, Carp, Skip, Boog, Holliday, Lopez, and Colby to get them.
Two years ago, this would have been exciting.
Now, I’m not so sure. I long ago began to wonder if LaRoche would ever figure out big-league pitching.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
He was probably tipping his swing
Put him in an interrogation room with Pujols, McGwire, thepainguy, and a 200 watt lightbulb. In an hour they will have brainwashed him into being a good hitter in the majors.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Like the Boogie Man, or Elves or Eskimos:
don;t really exists, but are used to frighten calves into behaving properly
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
like hunting snipes?
i actually believed that was real when they were telling me until the person who was describing the kind of creature the snipe is went a little too far
so just to be clear, you can’t tip a cow over?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Supposedly they are vulnerable when they sleep....
but not all cows sleep standing up.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Tractor tipping, however...
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
(Hating to let the city-folk know for sure)
Cows weigh 1500 lbs. and have four legs (no offense, MooCow). They sleep lying down. And they can be mean when startled.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
"They sleep lying down. And they can be mean when startled"....
That describes me, at any rate…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
AQnd they like to lick sweaty humans...
…for their salt. Plus they like being affectionate, and are known to flirt voraciously. This does not describe me.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Lemme guess, you're a city girl?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
All the best cows are from there
You herd (get it) it here first…
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
And?
Did you grow up in a town or in the country?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
they still smell bad though
or are you saying i’d be less sensitive to smell if i grew up on a farm?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Yes.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
More than likely.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
They don't smell - but a lot of farms keep their pies for fuel
and that’s what yer smelling. plus left-over pizza
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
It cuts down on fertilizer usage, too.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I beg to differ
I have cows. Most of the time, the smell is from the pies, but, sometimes (it seems, especially in winter) they have an odd odor. Not really disgusting, but definitely strong and pungent.
(Sorry to side-track the humor angle, but……)
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Travs is challenging your expertise, MooCow?
What do moo have to say?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
(that was supposed to be an exclamation after the subject)
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
Clean cows hang in the meat packaging freezer
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Aug 6, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When did this happen?
I thought you were just foreign.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
we need to ask the pain guy about an accent
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Is that anywhere near Australia?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
same exact planet
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
by sportsman on Aug 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they do not my ass!
i can’t even get close to a cow housing place thing
cause i’m about to hurl it’s so smelly
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Must now start using the term:
“Cow housing place thing”
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
we wouldn't have to build so many of them
if more cows used cow-ndoms
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Cow-sing project
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 6, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah,
I just added that to my list of terminology too.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I tipped a cow 20% the other night
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Or an udder disgrace
Who’s to say?
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Snipes certainly do exist.
You can only catch them at night though.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
With a pillowcase
Out in the woods.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
preferably on a moonless night......
easier to sneak up on them.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yes they do
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Aug 6, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He makes little to nothing and is under team control until 2013.
Contract situation is ideal if the production is there.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
OH PLEASE GOD YES.
Andy Laroche should be around equivalent to Felipe Lopez with some upside: Decent eye, little power, decent defense. This would allow us to go to straight platoon mode with a good bench:
V. RHP
Lopez (3B)
Jay (RF)
Bert (1B)
Holliday (LF)
Colby (CF)
Schu (2B)
Yadi ©
P
Ryan (SS)
V. LHP
Lopez (2B)
Craig (RF)
Bert (1B)
Holliday (LF)
Colby (CF)
Laroche (3B)
Yadi ©
P
Ryan (SS)
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Aug 6, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LaRoche has a career 77 wRC+, 64 so far this year. Grades out about average defensively per UZR and +/- for his career, negative so far this year. I know this isn’t a replacement comparison, but I don’t think he’s nearly equivalent to Lopez (who also has much more position experience and switch-hits).
I'm really not big on LaRoche
so, kinda what astrostl said. He’s better than running Miles out there for sure, but when Greene’s back I would rather start him at 2B and Lopez at 3B vs lefties and Lopez at 3B and Schu at 2B vs righties.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
but laroche is an actual third baseman. that has to count for something.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
According to UZR, he's been worth -2.7 runs on defense this year
Lopez has been worth -2.1 runs at 3rd, though -4.4 overall
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
isn't UZR not a great measure of defense during the season?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Not really. I mean, it explains what actually HAS happened, but it doesn't mean anything going forward
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
what are his career defensive numbers?
/too lazy to look
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Wildly fluctuating
But at +3.5 for his career
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Technically
It doesn’t really even explain what actually has happened, it could be that Lopez has received harder hit balls or been put out of position or the balls were further at the edge of the zones. Or it could be that he’s actually been even worse because he’s received softer hit balls, or the balls were in the easier parts of the zones.
Not afraid to nitpick
He's been BABIP'd and had a very good MiLB track record.
They call it the scrap heap for a reason but it can produce good players.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I keep getting older, but he stays the same age
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
In the majors he's been pretty bad
but his minor league hitting looks just as good as if not better than either Craig or Freese. He’s a little younger than Freese and less than a year older than Craig. I don’t think giving him a chance is a terrible idea.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i guessi didn't realize
he was as young or inexperienced as he is
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Yeah, I had no idea either until I heard we were interested today and looked him up
I figure there’s a decent chance he could still figure something out if he’s still only in his mid-twenties.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i just glanced at his page
and noticed that his wOBA was something like .260
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Yeah, his hitting has been pretty poopy
He does kinda seem like he’s a Brandon Wood type who shows no sign of making whatever adjustment is required, but he looks much more suited for succeeding. Better plate discipline in the minors, better ratio of BBs and Ks in the minors, etc.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
is he currently with the big club
or is he in the minors?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
LaRoche?
I thought he was currently with the Pirates.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
yeah, that was the question
i thought maybe he was in the minors and could easily be traded, hence the interest
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
You mean the 115 PA he had in 2007
Or the 252 PA he had in 2008, or the 233 PA he’s had this year? Yeah, those are super predictive.
p.s.
i think those all add up to more than 590
point being, i think we have just as much reason to believe he’s terrible as we do to believe he’s average. he’s projected for .315 the rest of the season by ZiPS
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Which is a far better mark than what Miles projects to do
And LaRoche is a legitamite thrid baseman and was a top prospect a couple years ago – that needs to be taken into account in his projection as well.
i don't know if it was taken into account
but that projection is not better than lopez or greene. miles is not really the standard to which we should compare everyone
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
ZIPS doesn't take into account prospect status, no
And it projects Greene for a .299 wOBA, I don’t really know how that’s better than Laroche’s.
my heart projects greene
for .340
okay, so i didn’t look up greene’s projection. lohse is probably worth a look, but i don’t particularly think he’s much of a solution for our problems
i would like to try to pry wilson betemit away from the royals. the bad thing is that he’s having a career year and we’d probably have to overpay. ’course it is the royals
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Wilson Betemit?
I was watching the Royals the other day and he ranged to his right to get an easy ground ball. After it was in his glove he then dived, which cost him enough time for the runner to be safe. Also, he has a career -10 UZR/150 at third. Also, he doesn’t project to be much better offensively than LaRoche. Although he is beating the shit out of the ball this year.
he's not great with the glove
but he’s no worse than lopez or miles, i would imagine
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I actually think Lopez is pretty decent at third
Miles obviously sucks, but seriously, I think Betemit is an obomination.
I think Miles is an abomi-fucking-nation
He has no first step or lateral quickness and his arm is terrible i.e. the two things you need to be able to play 3B.
Not afraid to nitpick
Would working with Oquendo help either one of them out significantly.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
good writeup, Dan
Lopez has done well in the Abe Nunez/Placido Polanco/Scott Spiezio role. Mo does deserve credit for this signing.
Long term, the Cards have to invest in a backup/replacement for David Freese: Mather, Craig, or Matt Carpenter, or go get one this off season.
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
but is
freese “parts fastened tgether with fragile strands of adult stem-cells” nasa-speak for chewing gum?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Chicken wire and bailing twine
for those farm-fluent
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
yeah, the Floppy signing is looking better and better every day
now if he only tried harder, i wouldn’t mind one bit if he returned next season
kudos on the Freese makeup description, Dan, i just didn’t get the “to let Brendan Ryan go on what was without a doubt a hilarious vision quest” part
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I envision scenes from the 1985 movie
well done, danup.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Aug 6, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
So who plays the mature and sultry Linda Fiorentino to Boog's Matthew Modine?
Mather obviously plays the best friend who claims to be part American Indian but isn’t. Or, we could go with Lohse, since he is part American Indian.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mo signed Lopez to a bargain basement deal. You seem to forget that Mo traded Ryan F. Ludwick for a three-month rental!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ludwick
himself once was a bargain basement, Dumpster-diving pickup to fill out the Memphis roster.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Mo recommended signing him.
Ludwick said he would stay in touch with Mo for the rest of his life because he considers Mo a friend.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm bitter about that too
but in all fairness, Luddy seems to be better off. he gets to play every day and be Studwick in the outfield for a team that’s doing better than us and gets inside the park home runs
where would Ludwick be in STL right now with Jay and Craig and Winn? he wasn’t going to return next year anyway because you didn’t bake enough pies
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
true
wick is better off
we are not, however
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
indeed.
“I was a small fish in a big pond,” Ludwick said.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
happy for wick
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
google tells me that Colby lost a friend, as well.
i think they all did
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hmm
Mothership psychoanalyzes Colby
awwwwwwwwwww he and Boog are besties. it’s like the Odd Couple!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
to quote myself
I’m still stunned they allow Brendan Ryan to socialize Colby Rasmus.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
would you give Brendan Ryan a blank slate?
granted, this is going to be hilarious sooner or later.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wasn't there a pic of the two of them and some wannabe St.L psuedo-celebrity douche last year?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
now you've done it
someone’s going to post the largest version of that pic.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hey you brought it up.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I was trying to be non-specific.
I was going to say, there’s always this, but reason #203480238408 to ask SBN for personal back-ups: the caption AND the picture are gone from that post.
yeah, that’s right. all the witty captions disappear after a while, and after a while, so do the pictures.
(it’s the cheek-touch picture, by the way.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A thousand pardons Master Y2S.
That sucks. Majorly SBN’d.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought for sure I had a screenshot of it
now I can’t find it anywhere. bizarre.
if anyone wants to nose around, I probably put it on imageshack.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's not the one I was talking about.
I mean a screenshot of VEB and DanUp’s caption.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The looks on Boog and Colby's faces are absolutely priceless.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Two things:
1. The Padres broadcast has the Doors as between-innings music. That’s awesome.
2. That must have been the weakest hit inside-the-park HR (and therefore the weakest hit HR) I’ve ever seen.
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 6, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Scott Podsednik is truely an awful baseball player.
And how is that “clutch”?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Well then, there is hope for Miles
to break that record then, as he’s the weakest hitting ball player ever. Just needs one of his ground outs to squeak past both the 1B AND RF… it could happen.
Padres' RFL for GG!
he played everyday here,
so im not sure how that is relevant
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
Ludwick's only a 9 month rental
and not an especially cheap one.
And no, I’m not a big fan of that deal either, I think it was poor. But it’s not the worst thing he’s done in his largely underwhelming tenure, and it’s not the worst trade anyone’s made this year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
I was poking fun at we the fanbase’s “trading Ludwick makes Mo a terrible GM” reaction. The wound is still open.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Any chance the team will.....
try to trade Skip in the offseason, and resign Lopez to play 2B? Lopez needs to be on this team going forward…..and with Ryan/Greene at SS, and Freese at 3B, 2B seems to be the best place. Of course, I wouldn’t mind signing him with the idea that he’ll backup those three spots, as well as the corner OF spots.
Its All About Moolah.....
….Flop has been a great finger in our infield dyke, but his slash numbers aren’t that special: .268/.345/.394
I think he’s great to have as a super sub but I dunno about starting 150+ games, unless we got him super cheap next cowtract.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Ryan hasn't hit well, but there's no need to call him a girl
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Wow.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't know
what they do in those health classes.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
floppy makes less than scrappydoo
who would want scrappy at that price, aka, also kelly johnson’s price (more or less)
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Beg to differ
his slash numbers are a tick above average. That’s exactly what you want from a guy at 2B or 3B. If we get that production out of third base (be it Flopex or Freese) or second base (Floppy, Skip, Greene, Descalso, whoever) next year with vaguely adequate defense, that’ll be very welcome indeed.
Lopez is average, IMO, which makes him a better player than ANY of our infielders not named Pujols.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip has little or no trade value as a second baseman.
If the Cardinals upgrade at that position, he’ll be a utility player that is making $2.7 million next year.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Skip has little or no value at all.
He hits for no power whatsoever, has no speed, and is poor defensively. If he doesn’t have a BA of .300, he is worthless. That $2.7MM 2011 salary is not looking like much of a bargain right now.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So, bgh...I ask you...
Would it be to the Cardinals advantage to stop playing him at 2B and play him exclusively in the outfield in the hopes of generating ANY interest in him at all?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If I ran the Cardinals, Skip Schumaker would only play in the outfield grass during a weird TLR shift.
His SLG % by year, beginning in 2007:
.458
.406
.393
.331
No team can afford to have that little power in a corner outfield position, especially from a player who does not walk a lot. Skip’s wOBA is .294 and when you have Holliday, Rasmus, Jay, Craig, and Winn (yes, I would play Winn in the OF before Skip), you cannot afford to have a player with Skip’s limited skills playing in the OF.
To make you all even less thrilled with Skip in 2011 at $2.7MM, here are his wOBAs for each year, beginning in 2007:
.353
.341
.336
.296
I hope and pray that Skip returns to league-average production, but I do not expect him to do so.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
So do you just bench him and eat the salary?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I still play him, just not in the OF.
He can split time with Tyler Greene at second base. Remember that he had horrendous luck on balls in play for the first month or two. Skip had an elevated LD rate that would be a career high, but that was not reflected in a career-low BABIP. He may be a .300 BA hitter still and we will be the ones who find out because he isn’t going anywhere.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you really keep a player who only plays a platoon 2B?
Or do you just consider the contract a sunk cost and put better players (more versatile, at least) on your team?
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a chance that Skip rebounds and puts up a league-average offensive line.
In which case, he is worth his salary. I don’t think Skips can be considered a sunk cost in 2011 at this point in time. There are starts and stops, but he has grittily climbed out of the hole that was his early season slump. Check out this wOBA graph for 2010. It’s on the bottom left. Sorry, but I don’t know how to post a single Fangraphs graph from their graph page. (Graph…graphs…graph…) Basically, Skip had a double-dip slump.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He can play 2B
and he’s an adequate late-inning defensive replacement in the OF. Even with his underwhelming power, walks totals and overall hitting in the last few years, when he’s exclusively used against right-handed pitchers he’s pretty effective (career slash line: .310/.365/.421, albeit with a slightly fortunate-looking BABIP, but I’d still expect him to be an above-average hitter of right-handed pitching going forward).
He could, therefore, back up 2B, be our 5th OF and be a useful left-handed pinch hitter. Given our lack of depth this year, that’s probably worth having on the bench in 2011, especially as he’s worth nothing in a trade. I’d keep hold of him. There’s also a slim chance he might rebound to be a type B FA with a very good year.
The one slight concern is that the guy who’ll hopefully have a chance to take over at 2B (Descalso) is also a lefty, so if he pans out Skip shouldn’t really be playing much and basically becomes a better, lefty version of Stav from earlier this year, with Tyler Greene likely the main backup/platoon option at 2B. I guess we could consider cutting him in that instance, but I sort of doubt Descalso will come right out of the gate as a quality MLB player anyhow.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you really see him as a defensive replacement?
wow i gotta disagree with that
last year, in his few moments of outfield play, he turned routine plays into runners on base
i specifically remember discussing how the move to 2B could have very well hurt his overall value because not only was he a sub par infielder but he had turned into a bad outfielder
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He could be replacing someone like Craig or even Stavinoha. Who knows what our team and injury composition will look like in a year, while Skip’s payment has already been guaranteed? He’s a career OF, and the defensive stats don’t show him as horrible in the corners. I think he’d do fine once he regained routine play there.
I actually question whether Skip is much of an upgrade in the OF these days.
He was always average or so and he has not played there for years.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
small sample
and, yeah, like astro says… he’s an upgrade on stav, and possibly craig too. We likely don’t need any defensive replacements as such, given our OF next year is likely to be excellent, defensively, but at the very least he can sub in as a 5th OF type on a double-switch and not be embarassing, so long as there’d a righty on the mound.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Skip, and root for him
But if a player was on the open market whose skill set was: 1) play below average 2B, 2) play below average corner outfield, 3) hit for a decent average but no power against RH pitching, 4) work really hard and be a good guy…
I wouldn’t really be all over him to sign. If you are carrying a spare MIF, don’t you want someone who can play SS, too? And if you are carrying a spare corner OF, don’t you want some pop?
I’m sure there are ways you can work out a roster to include him, and we have already paid to have him on the team, but there is an opportunity cost to filling a roster spot, too. I don’t like to carry 4 MIFs, and having Skip just seems to assure that (of 5 MIFs, given TLR).
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is:
Can Skip give us league-average offense at second base or not? If he can, he is well worth his salary and deserves playing time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
That is the question. I hope so. If that skill set is closer to his true talent level than the one I outlined, we have a good player.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like....
Aaron Miles
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Aug 6, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Except Aaron Miles is worthless *while hitting .300.*
He has a .297 BA and a .280 wOBA. It’s incredible.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Really hoping Greene gets healthy soon
I have a feeling that they’ll cut Miles once Greene is back and productive. Can’t happen soon enough!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
hate to burst your bubble
but miles is not going off the roster over greene
it’s tlr
there were about to send greene down before the dl weren’t they?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Right.
Why would we want a better hitter, better fielder, better runner, and more versatile player on the roster?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Why on God's green earth would you want a player like that?
It might give the people hope.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
More versatile?
Have you seen Greene pitch?
Huh? Huh?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
greene's dl stint ends in memphis
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I bet you 10,000 internet dollars
once Greene’s healthy, eventually he’ll be getting more PT than Miles and probably push him off the roster.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip is a 0 WAR player in 2010
in other words, basically the epitome of a player with no trade value
Skip has no trade value
we’d just have to release him, I think. I’d rather just keep him as a lefty bat off the bench/backup 2B.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
can someone please explain the clear waivers deal to me with a couple of words
before i have to go on a google-quest
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
If a player is put on waivers
Every team that is worse than you in your league gets a chance at him before you do. Then teams in the other league from worst to first.
If you claim him, and no one in your league who is worse than you gets to him first, three things can happen.
1. The team that put him on waivers can let you have him. You get him, with attendant contract.
2. The team that put him on waivers can pull him off waivers, and you don’t get him (no one else does, either).
3. The team that put him on waivers can offer you a deal—a trade for the player, who would then be pulled off waivers and traded to you.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
There is also a follow up to point #2.
That player cannot be put on waivers again the rest of the year.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
All my hopes and dreams...
:=8(
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 6, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Slapping is fine, tipping notsomuch
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
The waiver wire isn't publicized unless someone digs something up.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole team, sans “core players” will be on waivers at some point.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
there is actually a fine for releasing information about who is on the waiver wire
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
yes, to the public. now don't quote me on this.
the d-backs announcers said this during the game last night, talking about adam dunn, but the d-backs announcers say a lot of silly shit.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Not a good showing at all.
Per the Springfield New-Leader:
Lohse disappointed Thursday night in an injury rehab start for the Springfield Cardinals as a lefty-heavy Arkansas Travelers lineup seized on his spotty fastball command and worked him over for 12 hits and five runs.
Lohse’s line: 5 IP, 12 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 4 SO, 0 HR
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
So does Jeff Suppan, but that doesn't mean he is performing well enough to pitch for the Cardinals.
He may feel fine physically (and I believe him, for what it’s worth), but, if he has no control, why call him up right now?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
At least Sheets pitched until July
Penny was done 2 months earlier.
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Aug 6, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
If you can’t fool AA hitters, you’re not tuned for major league bats.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We Should probably...
….shut down Lohse for the rest of the year and go with Soup/Hawk until we find an-udder option (waiver wire pick up, a Baby Bird, the return of John Tudor, the first penguin who escapes from the zoo, etc)…
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
The security around those penguins at the zoo
is impenetrable.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They just need a split second to escape
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Aug 6, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Penguins
Don’t try to mate a lioness with a penguin, ever. Have you ever seen a mammal and a bird mate? I’ve never even heard of that.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
there's certainly no reason
not to give Lohse two more rehab starts. there are off-days on 8/12, 8/16. and 8/19. after Soup’s start on Sunday, we won’t need another fifth starter until 8/24. Lohse can easily make two more rehab starts in that time frame.
I would at least have him make a start at AAA.
They come back home on the 12th. That would put Lohse in line to start the first game of the 2 game Milwaukee series.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, they are back on the 13th.
Not the 12th. So he could make that rehab start and then start 8/18 against Milwaukee.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It might depend on Suppan
If his next outing is not horrible, the team might give Lopez one more start. That’s the wrong way to do it — Lohse is a long term asset (?), and the decision should be just on his readiness. But, who knows?
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
also depends on Jaime
last game was not good – does anyone else see a 15-day DL for “tired arm” coming up?
lohse not klohse to bailey's "rehab tune up"
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
what makes you think control was the issue?
He went 5 innings without giving up a BB and K’d 4. I believe for the most part he was only throwing fastballs too.
Miles, in at third for his defense
Could this be a control vs. command thing?
Or is that a useless distinction in this case?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm going by the report from the Springfield News-Leader beat reporter,
which I quoted above.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
looks much like the outing i saw this year
at busch before he got hurt
but did we really expect him to be lights out? ever again?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Lights out
and giving up 5 ER to a AA lineup are about as opposite as you can get.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The only caveat to that is that he threw almost all fastballs on purpose.
Supposedly working on command or something. It was in the overflow thread.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ Rains was live-tweeting it
@Ericb1980 There weren’t many bloopers falling in. Hitters were making solid contact off him. Wasn’t good, no way else to say it. about 9 hours ago via web in reply to Ericb1980
Lohse’s status uncertain after rough rehab start at Double-A: http://bit.ly/9gobLu #stlcards #mlb #cardinals about 11 hours ago via web
Lohse: “If I wanted to throw all offspeed, it could have been a lot different, but I’m trying to work on stuff.” about 12 hours ago via web
Theme of Lohse’s comments: he was working on stuff he needed to work on and results could have been different had he cared about the results about 12 hours ago via web
Lohse: “With those types of results they are going to have second thoughts, but I feel like pitch wise, I can come back and be effective.” about 12 hours ago via web
Just talked with Lohse….among other things, he complained that the balls were different than normal MLB balls. Said seams were different. about 13 hours ago via web
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 6, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Strauss also did the same.
so either way, bring the good stuff with ye.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Carp
said the balls were slick in Arizona. So with all the technology out there these days, why is it we can’t find good balls?
(… I’m going to go ahead and preempt you … TWSS.)
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Minor league baseballs are legitimately different from MLB balls
God knows why they wouldn’t use the same ones, but the seams on MiLB balls are much higher and that affects fastball movement more than you would expect.
Not afraid to nitpick
Lopez @ 3B is OK but .............
that means that we continue our terrible 2B shuffle. An upgrade at 3B would also upgrade 2B because Lopez would probably slide over to 2B. I like the idea of Craig at 3B because Jay plays in RF. Jay’s recent slide is concerning, but the very best hitters have hot and cold streaks. Bottom line is that they have not played Jay enough to know what they have and he is going to have a hard time getting back in the line-up if Craig is not playing 3B or spotting for Albert or Matt.
unless the roach or something similar comes along
we stay as we are until tg comes off the dl
then we platoon him and scrappydoo
and place grit on waivers
i admire how much grit has done with the tools he has, but
that doesn’t make him all that valuable
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
To Craig or Not to Craig
To Craig or not to Craig– that is the question:
Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer Miles
The slings and arrows of outrageous MLB fortune,
Or to take arms against large market teams
And, by playing Craig, end the debate of the HPGE
No more the vapid minor league defensive metrics of AA
For our eyes shall see the true lie bare
Craig standing, glove in hand, at third
TLR in the dugout muttering, ’tis ain’t fair.
by jjray on Aug 6, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
There was a young Cardinal named Graig Allen Alen Craig Allen AlanGreg Craig...
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Craig Allen?
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
should be HPGF
must learn the patience to proof read my blog posts one day
2B is still the weak spot
Everyone is talking about upgrading at 3B but it still seems to me that the 2B rotation is still the weakest spot on the team. Lopez is not good at 3B but he is better at 3B than any of the current options at 2B.
...
i don’t get, honestly, why skip gets bashed around here so much. with the exception of a few defensive mishaps, i think he’s done a great job for being a converted 2B. i like lopez at 2B a hell of a lot more than at 3B.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
The main issue is that there are 2 better options on the team at 2B
so he doesn’t need to play there. He was converted to 2B because they wanted his bat in the lineup and the outfield was full. He’s not hitting like he did the past 2 years and he’s always a defensive liability.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Skip has a .296 wOBA and plays terrible defense. He has had a very poor season,
even if it is evening out.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Horton has said that too.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they each share a quarter of a brain.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
that's giving them a bit much leeway.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Al, Rick, and Dan threw a pool party and this was the result
by shadetree on Aug 6, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't so much mind Dan when he's by himself calling a game.
It’s when you add in the other idiots that it gets bad.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Alcohol was involved, so maybe not.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Don King did better analysis
than Al Hrabowsky. Or Mike Shannon.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
bloodbath!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Plus
Meaning he adds to the other team’s score.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The thinking is that, by upgrading third, you can then shift Lopez to second,
and upgrade at both positions.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
can't skip play third?
he’s got a good arm and dives for everything
we converted him once
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
He is awful short for third base.
Because it is the Hot Corner, having a long frame helps with a player’s range at third base quite a lot, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
well him being shorter doesn't help him at second either
but can’t boog pick up the slack? boog is no superboog?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Just from watching the games, he is TERRIBLE moving to his left.
Which would not be good for 3B.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Just from watching the games, he is TERRIBLE movingto his left.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I told you guys
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not tall enough for third base
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
MC Serch was kinda short.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
this whole issue at 3rd makes me sad
because we had rolen, whose left shoulder was bothering him at the time, but is now raking in cincy. and glaus, who is now playing 1st but had a questionable surgery in the offseason before he left st. louis – and at one time, glaus was on fire offensively.
at least we don’t have thurston playing 3rd right now.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
Retired, apparently.
Played in Reno last year
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
yeah but scott rolen is being paid 11M this year
freese 0.4M – that seems like a way better option aside the fragile like fiberglass ankles thing
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
North Pole hangover
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What's cooler than being cool?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ice cold!
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Aug 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, dropped that one
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I CAN'T HEAR YA
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 6, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said, what's cooler than being cool?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Aug 6, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ICE COLD
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
alright
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
alright
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 6, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
alright
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Aug 6, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Aug 6, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
im reccing all you
for the black eyed peas and then for that awesome song (and i hate country too so that says something)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
FUCK!
outkast…. BEP i do not like very much
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
"im reccing all you"
is not the correct lyric. We were looking for spants or IHB to say “YEAH!!”
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 7, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
In a way we are just reaping the effects
Of putting most of our position-player money into the two easiest defensive positions to fill. You have to pay a lot of money for MIF’s who can defend and hit, or grow them yourselves. No one trades them for less than a king’s ransom, and we seem pretty marginal on growing them ourselves. So, you have to pay. But our money in in LF and 1B.
Play ball!
good point
we have a great 1B and LF but we are (will be) paying huge amounts of money for them.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Another unfortunate issue
is the lack of any sort of MIF help coming up in the minors. The cupboard is REALLY bare, Descalso aside, and, despite his solid year, I’m yet to be convinced he’s going to even be a league average MLB second baseman.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Gotay? .804 AAA OPS, only -3 (counting, not rate) TZ through 626 2B games and +2 through 156 3B games. I don’t see his name mentioned that often, so I’m figuring that there must be something in scouting that I’m missing. He’s a right-handed switch-hitter.
he won't be here next year
that’s the main problem. I was talking about going forward, not 2010 per se.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
if we put him on the 40-man
we could theoretically control him through 2012. It’s basically the same as it was with Ludwick- we signed him as a minor league free agent. Only issue is that he’d be arb eligible (he has enough service time to be arb-2 I think, just from eyeballling it) so we’d have to tender him a contract.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
That's definitely true.
But, I think Tyler Greene is emerging as a legitimate option for the next few years at either SS or 2B.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If the manager can get over playing favorites
And “putting people in the doghouse,” and making players “pay their dues.”
Which means find someone else to play MIF than Greene, apparently.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: Carlos Matias!
Down in the DSL, Matias combined on a no-hitter last night, pitching 7 innings, walking one and striking out 8. HPGF!
visa problems still holding them up?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i don't see what visa problems they'd have
unless the player has a criminal record or a history with drugs, there’s no reason to deny him a visa
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
nah, it's just slow.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
never waited a decade for a visa, eh?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not really
especially if you are a big organization with an applicant with a clean record, i don’t see how there can be no expedited processing
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
look it up
my general knowledge is a decade old, but quotas probably have a lot to do with it. and slow, slow bureaucracy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
They are evidently not throwing enough grease at the right wheels then.
That’s the only way to speed up a bureaucracy.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
O-1 visas take 3-4 months to get approved
there must be sth else going on that is holding them up
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
as far as i know
he has still not been certified by MLB. until he is certified, he can’t receive his bonus or come to the US. i haven’t heard anything new in a while about this, though.
off twitter
Matias is playing, so not MLB issue. Needs visa to enter USA. W/o it, he has no value. RT @joshhandler: it is out of MLBs hands? #stlcards about 11 hours ago
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he was already pitching for us
before being certfied, though, so I’m not sure that’s totally correct.
The cert process should just be
a formality though, since MLB did it last year.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
visa issue
I think relates to the fact that he previously lied about his age to another team (maybe even presenting a false birth certificate) so they are being very careful to ensure this time around he really is who he claims to be. Somebody correct me if I have that wrong but I thought this is what I read.
They aren't being "very careful".
They’re just making him wait.
When you try to fool the federal gov’t and get caught, they don’t tend to go out of their way to help you going forward.
Chances are, they put his paperwork at the bottom of the biggest stack. Maybe twice.
Just because.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
In a lot of places you have to grease the wheels to get anything done
Matias is going to get rich over this document, whoever issues it would like a piece. But the Cards would be crazy to do that. The Yankees (or someone) would be all over it.
So, probably the application gets “lost,” and then the only person who can approve it “goes on vacation.” And then “we are trying as hard as we can, but there are many things to check and certify.”
I don’t know for sure that the Dominican is that kind of place, but many places are.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 6, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he is old and injurerd and hasn't plaqyed all year and will probably be expensive. That's all.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
can admire his injury report
that was a migraine.
I’m sure someone here will tell you all about those…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh yeah that was the thing I got watching the first two games against houston
by shadetree on Aug 6, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, migraines can be pretty nasty
I would think an injury report would specify it as a migraine rather than lumping it in with the pedestrian “headache” but what do I know. A bad migraine can mess with your sensory perception and make you feel sick and pretty much terrible. I would think that could really hamper your ability to play a sport at a professional level.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm no medical expert
but I think you might’ve had a Yeerk in your head
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not an Animorphs fan?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
somehow I missed that series entirely
I suspect I was too old, but I don’t even remember when it came out.
I’m starting to hear it’s out of print or something.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well then it looks like past-mysterui has made future-mysterui a hefty profit...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
how many do you have?
heck, I don’t even know how many they made.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I probably have like 30 lying around somewhere
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i have still never heard of it ever until right now
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
It's probably after your time
I only ever bought them at Book Fairs in Middle School
But basically, a group of teens gain the power to morph into animals, which they use to fight off brain-infesting worms who try and take over the universe
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Psh, Goosebumps all the way
Actually I never once read either of those.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I've read that entire series.
Animorphs and Goosebumps filled my childhood reading for years.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
how is it that i am not too old for goosebumps but i am too old for animorphs
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Maybe you just had a lame childhood
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
maybe i was too busy going to cardinals games to do nerdy things like read
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Animorphs started out awesome, got really shitty once David got introduced
Had one awesome book with the Krayak vs. Elimist competition with the Howlers and Iskoort and shit
Got shitty some more, then ended vaguely
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
those were about all I read as a kid
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Was there ever any reason why the Marlins pushed Johnson back a day?
I thought it was going to be WW vs. JJ tonight.
FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY
that would’ve been cool.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
We face him on Saturday.
What difference does it make?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So they win Friday and lose Saturday.
And we gain…
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder sometimes if we had someone from Pappy's and a truck full of meat...
would that make a difference in Waino’s home/away splits?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
franklin was at Pappy's yesterday too
Maybe the whole team would play better on the road with this strategy. Pappy’s can take that big rig they have and travel for the team for the good of Cardinal nation.
"Who is the most underrated actor of all time?" - Charlie
"That's easy - Dolph Lundgren" - Mac
Wadam Wainwright or Woody Williams
I’m also open to Willy Wonka, he’s crafty.
by bobohilario on Aug 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
in other news, Brian Walton seems to have so much time on his hands
“If Waino is the ace, Carp is the horse”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Carp...gives a fuck about Clydesdales?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 6, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
solidarity Carp is a Clydesdale. Strong and intimidating.
You wouldn’t want to piss either of them off.
He appreciates a living thing that he has to raise his eye level to.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
And outweighs him by about 1500 lbs.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
note, though, the horse is spooked by Carpenter.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Unless Carp is hitting his spot.
Then the horse is thinking “That’s damn good, Carp.”
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Company man.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
As someone who hauls a mean piece of luggage himself,
Carp respects a creature that hauls enormous loads for a living.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 6, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's really a hilariously horrible accident waiting to happen
having all those players there with the Clydesdales in a tiny tunnel
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so
Does anyone have any knowledge concerning Freese? If his operation is a success, how long will the recuperation take? Will he actually be able to play next year or will his injury take longer to heal from?
Mo mentioned something about not counting on his availability at the beginning of next season.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks
but I was also wondering if any of our medical experts (hazel, painguy) had anything to add, though I suppose it might just be too soon to know much
All that tells me is that we might as well find somebody, cuz we're screwed otherwise.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Are there any good 3b that will be free agents next year?
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
3rd base
Adrian Beltre (A), Brandon Inge (B), Mike Lowell (B), Nick Punto, Wilson Betemit, Miguel Tejada (A), Felipe Lopez (B), Aramis Ramirez (B), Melvin Mora, Pedro Feliz, Geoff Blum, Craig Counsell, Wes Helms, Aaron Miles.
I know Ramirez will probably be exercising his player option. Beltre has a player option as well. Twins have a club option on Punto. I think Betemit is under KCs control. Blum has a mutual option.
So, I would predict that you’d be picking from Inge, Lowell, Tejada, Lopez, Mora, Feliz, Blum, Counsell, Helms, and Miles.
Anyone good in that group?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Beltre's gonna opt out for sure
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Beltre's player option is for 5M
He has a .336/.372/.570 line with 20HR so far, and has accumulated +7.2 in UZR. I think the odds of him exercising that option are nil unless he gets injured, but that he’d also be priced well out of our range.
I didn't look at what he was getting paid
So, you’re probably right. That’s the best season (offensively) he’s had in a while, I think.
Although, in looking at his contract, his option increases to 10M if he reaches 640 at bats. He’s currently on pace to get 609 at bats. 31 extra at bats is probably still out of reach though.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I think he’s worth a lot more than 1/10MM to all 30 teams, it’s just a matter of whether or not they have the contention and the payroll. I’d call him nuts to take that option, or even a 15MM considering the multis he could sign.
Looking back
he hasn’t had a year like this since 2004, which just so happens to be when he was in his walk year with the Dodgers.
I’d put a big sign on him that says “Buyer Beware!!!!”.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
His defense alone is generally worth about $5 million a year
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Beltre's walk year with Seattle:
.265/.304/.379/.683 (.305 wOBA)
That is Beltre’s worst full professional season offensively.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And he was STILL worth 2.4 WAR
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Sure.
His defense is incredible. Any offense on top of it is icing on the cake. You just have to be prepared for the possibility that Beltre might be awful offensively. Like Schumaker bad. And whether you are willing to accept that at third base for his defense.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
"Awful" is a strong word
Career wRC+: 110. Worst-ever (injury-shortened) seasonal wRC+: 87. He’s been offensively above-average for five out of the previous seven years.
I was talking about his .305 wOBA in 2009.
“Awful” to describe such an offensive output seems apt to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
that's only because of his power numbers.
He’s already 31. I’m not sure how long of a contract it’d take to sign him, but you’d have to expect those home run totals to go down right? Especially moving to Busch, right?
After that, he really has nothing left offensively that’s at all redeeming.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Fuck, he's only 31?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
He's been around FOREVER
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It always surprises me how young Beltre is
because he has been a big-leaguer for so long.
He is a Boras client, right? So, I would suspect he signs a four-year deal or so this offseason. He is way out of our price range this offseason. The Hot Stove is going to be a boring one, unless we trade Pujols. Then, things could get crazy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
rumors are already starting up about the Royals
shopping Grienke.
That may get interesting.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I'd be pissed if I were him too
3 separate rebuilding projects in his career? Yeeeeeesh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Didn't he sign a below market extension last Hot Stove?
He mustn’t be all that upset. In fact, if I were him, I would be excited about the Royals getting rid of all the veteran dead weight on the roster.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but they'll just go out and
bring in more dead-ass vets this offseason.
they do it every year.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Oooh.
I would hope that Mo would be making the phone calls, shopping the toolsy types to the KC front office.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
just offer Miles and Winn
those are guys the Royals drool over.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Something like:
Lohse (to replace Meche), Jay, Skip, and Stavinoha, and they might take it. (I am only half-joking here, which is sad for KC baseball.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m only looking at park-adjusted offense. I think we can ill-afford an expensive FA, so I wouldn’t want the Cards to sign him to any kind of market-rate deal. That doesn’t make him less of a player, though, and I still think he’d have to be crazy or injured to accept a 1/10MM.
Career +++defense and +offense is plenty redeeming!
As mysterui says
His defensive stats and (perhaps more important) reputation are sterling. Even with a (dubious) “Buyer Beware!!!!” sign stapled to his face, I can’t personally imagine a free market where he would opt for a 1/10MM deal.
punto has an option as well.
Wiggington is also available.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't say they were worth it, merely options.
We are kind of in a beggars can’t be choosers world. There are only so many good players and we have only so much money. This = we’re kinda f’ed.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If the options available aren't better than the options we have
Then why keep prognosticating? Just stick with what we have… Lopez is fine at 3B, Skip’s been coming on lately
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Because this is what we do.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No man. We have 1200 post off-day threads about sodas or marriage or some random shit
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I know. I'm terrible about contributing to that myself.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I love that about VEB
It’s just a friendly, chatty atmosphere. Makes work fly by
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
aren't you loving every moment of your Mariners experience?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Am I appreciative of the opportunity? Yes
Am I have fun? Yes
Is the work that I’m doing exciting and satisfying? Not really
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
just don't bring coffee to the cameramen in front of the batter's eye...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"Am I have fun?" lol
“Am I appreciate opportunity?”
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
Wow that was terrible
Just imagine I’m Borat or something
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
random shit does not include the one on candy
unless you count the baby ruth in caddyshack
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I miss the yak husbandry discussions
anyone hear from him lately?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He was supposed to get a hold of me
right around now as he passed through Helena, but I’ve heard nada.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
is there anyone in another franchises systems that are currently being blocked by a Longoria or Zimmerman type?
it’d be nice to have someone cheap (i’m not happy with albert right now) that could grow and maybe even be a staple
but i don’t have any knowledge of who these prospects are or what they would cost, if they even exist.
I don't think "Longoria types" or "Zimmerman types"
get blocked. However, Ed Wade blocked a “Ryan Howard type.” (To be fair, the blocker put up monster numbers for a couple of years.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No no, he means like a Wilson Ramos being blocked by Joe Mauer type deal
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he asked if there's anyone being blocked by a Longoria or Zimmerman-type
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I completely misread that.
My mistake. I was just looking for an opportunity to mock Ed Wade.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I mentioned Punto's option
but i did miss Wiggington. I was going off the Elias rankings and he’s not listed in the 2b, 3b, ss group, since he’s played mostly 1B for the Orioles.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
missed that.
I just went off of Cot’s.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I look at Mora:
Offensively: .284/.364/.393/758
Defensively: don’t look
Age:38
BR has him at 1yr/1.68M which wouldn’t be terrible as a back-up option 3b/1b to give Pujols some days off.
Not advocating, just pointing it out
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
NO TEJADA!!! I hate Tehada!!
Mike Lowell would be cool.. He just seems to have that cool guy factor.
Wow, that's a shit group
I legitimately think Matt Carpenter might be better than 60-70% of those guys next year, and the rest are probably too expensive. Pass.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Carpenter is pretty intriguing
And he combines two kick ass names. And if he makes the roster any time in the next couple years he could cause much confusion.
“Matt made a sweet play, you just missed it.”
“Who, Holliday?”
“No, Carpenter.”
“… the pitcher?”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
We have plenty of excellent nickname opportunities, too
“Li’l Luggage” or whatever.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 7, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
lohse video
JohnMarecek
In case you missed it earlier, here’s video from Springfield of Kyle Lohse after his rehab start http://bit.ly/cVlv3S #stlcards 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
The Michelin Man arm wrapping brings back bad memories.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Progressing nicely.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I would give Lohse a couple more starts and
If he doesnt get it together id just shut him down for the year….
Did we sign Robertson exclusively as a reliever or is there a chance he possibly gets a chance to start?
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The offense scored 13 runs.
Lohse could have “won” that contest. Heck, Suppan could have “won” that contest, too. More to the point, Robertson gave up 3 ER (and 3 R total) in 6 IP while giving up 5 H, 2 BB, 1 HR, and only striking out 2 batters. Acceptable, but nothing to get terribly excited over.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
so.
I was just pointing out that he started, which was the question.
I just threw in there that he got the win.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
did he say "I should have brought my own balls"???
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Fiber One needs to sponsor this, stat
Poop car
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Wouldn't smell any worse than vehicles that run off propane.
I would think that building digesters big enough to handle the amount of gas you would need would be a limiting factor.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
if Lopez is at .330 wOBA
I wouldn’t be surprised if he still has a lot more offense this season. he could be one of those guys that carries you down the stretch. if him and Pujols go on a tear along with the usual Holliday late season burst, that could carry us into the playoffs.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 6, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
i don't really see lopez as that guy
those people who can carry teams, they seem like they can win a game with the swing of a bat
lopez just doesn’t have that ability
i think the best thing lopez can do is get on base, and get across the plate
an aside: on a team full of bad base runners, i can’t remember a single base running mistake by lopez this year. i really don’t understand the stigma that he doesn’t hustle or work hard. the guy usually takes quality at bats too.
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 6, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
hasn't he already won a few games with one swing of the bat?
I can remember at least one vs the cubs.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 6, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that they are even in the same ballpark,
But didn’t Stav do that too?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the point is is that Felipe IS capable of winning games on offense
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what you were getting at.
I was just being a smartass.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There was also the Mets game we won
where our only runs were off Flop’s grand slam.
And then the next night the dude pitched a scoreless inning.
Probably was the most popular guy in StL for a week after that.
by Andyfantastic on Aug 6, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he got picked off first last week
but overall, he’s been a good baserunner. According to billjamesonline he’s been four bases above average this year, and has only one “out” on the basepaths, which must be that pickoff.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
For some reason I have a good feeling about this series
We have to start turning it around on the road, we arent that bad of a team.
Unfortunately the Reds have dominated the Cubs all year.
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not enough off topic in this thread
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I love beer
Bought myself a six-pack of New Belgium Trippel
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
ya...I put a Keg of Skinny Dip
in my kegerator a couple of weeks ago….pretty good for a 4.2 beer.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I wish we could get that one in NC.
We are able to get their Ranger IPA which is pretty good, though.
That's pretty good
but I didn’t like it nearly as much as I liked their dubbel.
However, St. Bernardus is probably the best dubble and trippel I’d had so far.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Heh. Dubble isn't a word, unless we're talking about Dubble Bubble.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It makes me a jolly good fellow!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What ever happened to Garett Atkins?
I see he is a free agent….did he just fall off the face of the earth or what….
I never thought he was very good defensively I just dont see how his offensive production disappeared so quickly. Did he have an injury?
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Honestly, there just aren't any 3B available that are particularly attractive
None of them represent a large upgrade over what we have now. Laroche is the only one that has ANY upside whatsoever, and he’s been nothing but a AAAA player thus far in his career
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Atkin's offensive diet:
.214/.276/.286/562. I think we already have this player on our roster somewhere.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone see the call that blew the game for the Marlins last night?
It was horrible
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 1:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I saw that. Wasn't even looking at the ball
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
like jim joyce!
umps have gotten a bad rap this year, but then again, they’ve made some terrible calls this year.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
I thought he didn't call strikes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was glad to hear actual outrage from the Marlin announcing crew.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I heard all 30 fans were going to riot.
But they decided to go to the beach instead.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought they just up and left for the Denny's Early Bird discount.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
they had 30 fans at the game?
must have been at the start of the game.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
Al just would've blamed it on Colby
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You're pathetic
Why don’t you go get engaged some more
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I didn't think it was that horrible of a call
He thought the ball was foul when it went over the 3B bag. That is how the call goes. Not where it lands
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but the second bounce (occurring before the bag) looks to hit the line
the third bounce (occurring after the bag) is clearly in fair territory. So for it to be foul going over third, it would have to bounce fair, go foul over third in the air and curve back into fair territory before landing. Not likely.
Although to be fair, if he was judging fair/foul by the second bounce, then it was a lot closer of a call then it looked
A magic loogy.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i agree flim and matty
his call was either WIDE of FAIR over the bag…he called wide…espn highlights are retarded because they say “OMG he’s not even looking at this feet where it lands”…does espn not understand the rule? the ball in outfield is irrelevant (although everyone would agree it doesn’t help the cause)
mlb’s reynolds describes his view perfectly….on the otherhand millar is an asshat and misinterprets reynolds
by guillermozeliak on Aug 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought i should let everyone know i finally had a boog dream last night
no hammocks… i was at a cardinals-reds game, but it was in a small, like spring training style stadium. boog wasn’t in the lineup that day, so he was in street clothes, just walking around the stadium, which was only like 1/2 full. so i saw him and started talking to him, and i happened to be wearing a t-shirt jersey that said “Boog 13,” which i showed him and he thought it was awesome. then i asked him if he ever read VEB, and he said no, which was good because i suddenly was really worried that he would know who i was and would think i was a psycho. anyway, i was with another girl, but i don’t know who, and Boog gave us a tour of the stadium. we went into the clubhouse and were just hanging out. and it was awesome.
so then i got home and told all my friends and they were all mad at me because they thought i was cheating on my bf, which i was not. and then i immediately got on VEB to tell everyone about how i met BOOG!!! but the only people who responded to my post were yadi2 and mysterui.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I'm just gonna ignore that whole post except for the last sentence
And assume I was in a sex dream of yours
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Sounded platonic.
But you can dream about her dream, I guess.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
On that note, how the hell do you remember dreams this vividly?
I don’t even remember the last dream I had that stuck with me more than 2 minutes after I wake up
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
if her brain functions are anything like mine
it means she’s not getting really deep sleep. in the morning when you’re half-awake, it’s easier to remember the crazy ones.
I don’t even want to know what the deep sleep dreams are like. she may be playing entire series, with FSM behind-the-scenes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have the same dream over and over again...
Daryl Strawberry and Jack Clark, reminiscing about the past.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
do you hear rain, in this dream?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yes.
And there is something to do with Helitech. And Fredbird was there…and Andy Benes was there…and shriners were there…
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
clearly this means you have tarp issues.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This means you clearly have issues with your mother.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
didn't you, with his mother?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i dont know, it doesn't happen that often. but if i want to remember a dream, i will.
as soon as i woke up i was thinking about it, you know? if you keep thinking about it, you will remember it.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i'm far too... do people say scatterbrained, anymore?
I have to write it down immediately, which in the dark makes for some hilarious doodles.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i can still remember it. like i can still see a lot of the dream
boog did not have a mustache. he was wearing a gray t-shirt and khaki shorts and a hat.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
... a hat?
/intrigued.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh okay, his usual.
I was thinking fedora or something.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
LOL
no it was normal, it was like exactly how things would happen if the dream actually happened.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
this is like a quarter of the FSM videos.
yeah sorry about that. i didn't really dream about YOU, so much as your internet posts.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
now I almost want to ask
was I using this icon, or the previous more saturated icon?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it really is Waino ducking out of the way from a Yadi-to-Boog throw. really.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i totally thought
you were a dude with an understandable mancrush on boog. im always shocked when a poster here is female, not that i should be of course. i guess im surprised some of the comments and jokes dont just scare all the women away, lol.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Aug 6, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
they don't get scared
they start stabbing.
or in ClemsonGirl’s case, she gets dryly ironic, which for some reason people never expected.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
She was a nice contrast on here.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm thick-skinned.
my father raised me as a boy until i was 15.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I almost want to ask about the awful truth at 15...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no but really i was a tomboy, probably just b/c my family is so sports-oriented
what happened at 15 was that i discovered mascara and realized i could be pretty and still like baseball. it was a revelation.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
so in the movie of your life, this is the turning point?
well. in the first act.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Okay Robin Sherbatsky
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Aug 6, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This quote from Colby
in the Leach story over at the Mother Ship is amazing:
“Last year I went through some struggles and this year, I’m seeing what I think that it might be,” he said. "I get upset over some things that I can’t control. Being out on the field, there’s a lot of eyeballs on you out there. Especially being in center field. I think sometimes, in my head, I felt that acting like I was mad about it was the way to be — showing that I cared.
“But obviously that wasn’t what people were seeing. People were thinking I was down, and not caring. So I think it was having the reverse effect to what I was thinking was happening. So that’s why for me now, when I go out there, I try to think about when I played when I was younger. Just try to make the game fun like what I did back then.”
Is he quoting from Field of Dreams, The Natural, or Ken Burns’s Baseball?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
MOAR REALITY SHOW!
I’m still waiting for the babysitting episode.
search VEB for the rest of the plot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think a Boog and Bombs double rainbow spoof would be epic.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 6, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
in case anyone felt like some Boog and Bombs
so that means Ludwick’s in there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think my son might someday sign a $100M contract
he’s got the head for it anyway…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
sorry, I didn't realize the picture would be so big
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
no problem!
he looks awesome! all the kids have the lego-head, the question remains: will he grow into it, or will it grow into him?
sign stlregalia jr.!
if he didn't look like me
I would tell Holliday to give me some hush money and Nobody but him, my wife, and I would ever know
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Aug 6, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
talk about juxtaposition.
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Yeah? What about it?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
talking about how arroyo often tricks their pitch classification
to where he has pitches classified as XX
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Len Kasper
Len Kasper is a guy who is really into sabermetrics I guess…… He talks about SABR stuff at times…. He doesn’t get too heaving into it but he talks about it often.
another question
i have read some stuff on wOBA, but i am not sure what makes it better than OBP. is it because it weighs OBP as it compares to the league?
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"While SPINNING."
OBP is a component of wOBA... wOBA's easiest to compare to OPS
While OPS just arbitrarily adds OBP and SLG, wOBA weights them to properly reflect a player’s true offensive value
OBP is obviously more important than SLG, so wOBA puts more emphasis on that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
OBP is obviously more important than SLG
why?
wOBA puts more emphasis on that
that’s not true
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i think a better way to put it
is that OPS inherently overvalues SLG, so wOBA corrects for that. so, i guess wOBA kind of places more emphasis on OBP relative to OPS. but one is not necessarily more important than the other on a context neutral situation
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What I'm saying is that you'll score more runs if add a point to OBP rather than a point to SLG
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This is imperfect
But according to the Baseball Musings Lineup Analysis
A line up of 9 .400/.400 hitters will score 5.727 runs a game
A line up of 9 .401/.400 hitters will score 5.745 runs a game
A line up of 9 .400/.401 hitters will score 5.737 runs a game
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i just wonder if it's linear like that
i would imagine there are contexts where one point of slugging is more valuable
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twatter
He doesn't do oral, that's extra.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're picking nits
wOBA doesn’t have a specific SLG correction, or emphasis on any given outcome – it assigns them their actual value as determined by linear weights. That only (and unsurprisingly) happens to have slightly higher correlation with run scoring than OPS.
it doesn't have a slugging correction
because it doesn’t have to the error to begin with. i have no idea what your point is
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twatter
My point is that you went out of your way to disagree with
OBP is obviously more important than SLG, so wOBA puts more emphasis on that
And did so by literally saying
OPS inherently overvalues SLG, so wOBA corrects for that
Which is a case of a pot calling the tea kettle black; just as there is no emphasis placed on OBP, there is also no correction for OPS’ overvaluation of SLG. wOBA just determines truth via linear weights, and then shares it (with no agenda).
Let's just all agree that I was wayyyy oversimplifying
Which caused most of this confusion
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Nah
I don’t think it was oversimplified for the context. I also think OPS is fine – even compared to wOBA – but since the latter is better and calculated for us, we should use it. I applaud rather than moan when I see OPS used in stuff like major media, scoreboards, etc. and it can be calculated on the fly.
Old comparison – http://www.basement-dwellers.com/2008/06/why-do-i-keep-using-ops.html
Newer comparison – http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-great-run-estimator-shootout-part-1/ & http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-great-run-estimator-shootout-part-2/
Still the same conclusion: wOBA is best, but OPS is still really good.
i think you're just looking for an argument
the point is that OPS is inherently flawed and wOBA is a correction in the way we measure overall offensive performance relative to OPS. sorry about my phrasing
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And my overarching point here is that you were looking for an argument! I think what mysterui said expressed the point well enough, but you called him out on a minor error – and actually made the same one in doing so.
actually, i wasn't
i kind of like mysterui and i don’t have some sort of vengeance to play out which you seem to. it seemed by the way he phrased his comment that he misunderstod a fundamental component of the calculation of the stat. i sought to correct that. however, if letting you believe that is what it takes to stop having this incredibly pedantic conversation with you, then by all means, believe that. i’m confident enough in my understanding of how the stat is calculated and what it measures
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twatter
sorry i meant OPS, not OBP
but yes, now i see why it is better than OPS in theory
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"While SPINNING."
A good start
is this post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Aug 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, they're close, but they're not equal
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-joy-of-woba/
“First off, wOBA is a linear weight formula presented as a rate statistic scaled to On Base Percentage. Essentially, what that means is that average wOBA will always equal average OBP for any given year. If you know what the league’s OBP is, you know what the league’s wOBA is.”
Interesting
I just went to a player site, like Pujols’, scrolled down to the “Advanced” Section, then clicked “Show Averages”
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Could be a bug, a miscalculation, or showing of the wrong info (MLB versus league-specific averages). The core formula is balanced against OBP, though.
i think it's just in theory
it doesn’t make any sense that wOBA is going to be exactly equal to OBP. what would be the point, otherwise?
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The core number in wOBA is just the number of offensive outcomes multiplied by their specific linear weights, divided by plate appearances. That is just a number, though, and is not immediately intuitive to those familiar with more common stats.
To make it more intuitive, whatever multiplication percentage is necessary to make the core number EXACTLY equal to lgOBP is determined. So, it should be exactly equal. And that is the point, to scale it against a known number. BP’s EqA chose to scale against AVG rather than OBP, but it’s the same idea.
what?
the scale is equal to the scale of OBP. the number you’re looking for is 1.15, i believe. it’s not different in every calculation so that it can be equal to OBP other the stat means nothing except, well, OBP in a very roundabout way
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I’m not proposing that it’s different in “every calculation,” just that the proper formula calls for the determination of what multiplier is required to make lgWOBA exactly equal to lgOBP on any given YEAR. So it might be 14.78% one year, and 15.12% the next. That number is really easy to determine, so there’s not really a good reason to go on using a constant.
uh
so there’s not really a good reason to go on using a constant.
how about so that the stat is actually meaningful and so that we can compare players year-to-year? i think you’re taking so theory stuff a little too seriously
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wOBA is designed to scale against OBP. If it wasn’t, we’d just have weights/PA (and have to figure out what a good number and a bad number actually means).
Run-scoring environments themselves change from year to year, causing offensive stats (including OBP) to take on different meanings. I think we could both agree that OBP comparisons still work for year-to-year comparisons within a given era, though.
Looking at the year-to-year fluctuation of OBP, I’d say it’s something like a +/- 0.005 (perhaps 1%) difference. You’re telling me that I’m taking theory too seriously by saying “why not?” on strictly rather than loosely pairing, but I would say that implying a scale-correct +/- 0.005 multiplier might make wOBA comparisons meaningless is going way too far in the other direction.
I actually wish they would have just left it unscaled to OBP
It’d basically be runs produced per PA.
Not afraid to nitpick
...
Run-scoring environments themselves change from year to year, causing offensive stats (including OBP) to take on different meanings. I think we could both agree that OBP comparisons still work for year-to-year comparisons within a given era, though.
the fact that league average OBP is not 100% static year-to-year does not change the meaning of the stat. yes, OBP comparisons still work over different years. the reason why is because the stat is not calculated differently every year. every single year OBP = (times reached base/plate appearances).
Looking at the year-to-year fluctuation of OBP, I’d say it’s something like a +/- 0.005 (perhaps 1%) difference. You’re telling me that I’m taking theory too seriously by saying "why not?" on strictly rather than loosely pairing, but I would say that implying a scale-correct +/- 0.005 multiplier might make wOBA comparisons meaningless is going way too far in the other direction.
- it may be something insignificant like .5-1% fluctutation year-to-year.
- i should have said “too literally” instead of “too seriously”
- “meaningless” is probably too strong of a word, but what you’re doing is reducing the accuracy of what the stat is intended to measure to make an adjustment that was put in place for superficial reasons more accurate. it’s pointless. the difference may be insignificant, maybe even negligible, but if we’re not striving for accuracy, what the hell are we doing?
also, i like that you decided to pick this back up when i stopped responding you pedantry up north. all in good fun
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as an example
i looked at albert’s 2009. he had a .449 using the standard wOBA formula. assuming there was a 1% fluctuation that year in league OBP, adjusting his wOBA to reflect the new formula, he has a .453 wOBA. it’s not a whole lot, but he got a 4 point bump in wOBA that he didn’t actually earn all in the name of having just a slightly better scaling to OBP.
honestly, i think that wOBA has been around long enough that we don’t need to adjust the stat every single year just so that the layman can understand it
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and to further explain it
that’s just one year, in one direction using conservative estimates. if we have outliers in consecutive years in opposite directions, we could end up with 15 point differences in the calculations of wOBAs for hitters who have had the exact same year. how is that desirable?
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It’s desirable if the a major point is to scale to OBP. I’m not even saying that’s MY goal, but if it’s A goal – that’s what should happen.
I don’t look at wOBA for year-to-year comparisons when wRC+ is available, because the latter is both park and league-adjusted as well as defining a perfect reference point of peer average (100).
If someone’s wOBA goes from .449 to .453 and I’m actually looking at it, it’s still such a marginal difference that I wouldn’t even factor it (except perhaps a human pricing-like factor of noticing a difference between like .399 and .400).
But the thing for me is, lgwOBA changes from year to year too. So .449 might be exactly equal in 2010 to what .453 was in 2009. So I look at wRC+, rather than looking up lgwOBA (or lgOBP).
It’s desirable if the a major point is to scale to OBP. I’m not even saying that’s MY goal, but if it’s A goal – that’s what should happen.
that’s not the major point. why would that be the major point? the “major point” is to evaluate a hitter’s performance.
I don’t look at wOBA for year-to-year comparisons when wRC+ is available, because the latter is both park and league-adjusted as well as defining a perfect reference point of peer average (100).
and that’s a perfectly fine stat, but league and park adjustments are an imperfect science. i use wOBA because it doesn’t have any of that noise or uncertainty (or at least a very small amount). what you’re trying to do is add noise to a mostly perfected stat
If someone’s wOBA goes from .449 to .453 and I’m actually looking at it, it’s still such a marginal difference that I wouldn’t even factor it (except perhaps a human pricing-like factor of noticing a difference between like .399 and .400).
i think this is the wrong attitude to take toward player evaluation
But the thing for me is, lgwOBA changes from year to year too. So .449 might be exactly equal in 2010 to what .453 was in 2009. So I look at wRC+, rather than looking up lgwOBA (or lgOBP).
.449 is never exactly equal to .453. the fact that a league performed differently over an arbitrary time period for any number of reasons does not change the number and types of outcomes of PAs that an individual hitter had
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Not THE major point, A major point. 1: measure performance and 2: express it on a better-known scale. And I think it’s inarguable that scaling to OBP is a major point, given that it does and that it is even named after it.
I think wRC+, despite imperfect park adjustment, is better than no adjustment at all. On this point we may differ, but “I’m” not “trying” to add “noise” into anything. wOBA’s own creator supports wRC+, BTW.
Process of comparing year-to-year wOBAs: what are the wOBAs? What are the league wOBAs? How might parks be an influence? The key factor here: if you scale it to OBP or simply multiply it by 15%, you still have to manually contrast it with the averages. So, WHAT CHANGED?
Not THE major point, A major point. 1: measure performance and 2: express it on a better-known scale. And I think it’s inarguable that scaling to OBP is a major point, given that it does and that it is even named after it.
i think it’s a factor. i don’t think it’s a major point. and whether you want to quibble about the definition of “major point” or not, i think it’s pretty obvious which point is more important and more fundamental. assuming you understand that, it’s pretty clear which should take priority
I think wRC+, despite imperfect park adjustment, is better than no adjustment at all. On this point we may differ, but "I’m" not "trying" to add "noise" into anything. wOBA’s own creator supports wRC+, BTW.
it’s fine and it has it’s place. where did i rail against any other stats. i stated why i liked wOBA and i stated the deficiencies of park and league adjustments. I “can” also “use” parentheses at “random” to appear condescending “also”
Process of comparing year-to-year wOBAs: what are the wOBAs? What are the league wOBAs? How might parks be an influence? The key factor here: if you scale it to OBP or simply multiply it by 15%, you still have to manually contrast it with the averages. So, WHAT CHANGED?
i don’t have to manually contrast it to the averages because the performance of a hitter is defined or even influenced by the average of what the league did! park and league adjustments have their place, but unadjusted stats also have their place
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There is no performance priority lost in either instance: if you multiply by 15%, you look at the league average to evaluate performance. If you scale to OBP, you look at the league average to evaluate performance. In either case, it would not be sufficient to say, “.450 last year and .450 this year – they’re a 100% identical hitter.” 2010, a year of the pitcher, should be a good example of this.
I never suggested that you railed against any other stats. You did tell me that I was trying to insert noise into a perfect stat. The quotes were to denote that I didn’t create the state, I wasn’t trying to do anything, and that neither I nor wOBA’s own author consider it to be noise.
A player’s performance is absolutely linked to their league’s performance: we compare players against the peers of their era. That goes for leagues, and the whole MLB.
i was kind of expecting
“the year of the pitcher” point to be brought up. it’s a good one in your favor. but there are also going to be plenty of instances where the downtrend in offense isn’t directly a result of better pitching. i don’t see why aramiz ramirez having a terrible year should imply that albert pujols is better hitter. similarly, adrian beltre having an MVP year doesn’t affect how good of a hitter evan longoria is, etc. these kind of outliers are large factors in the year-to-year variation in league average stats. if you’re adjusting because of it, you’re adjusting based on outliers, or what i call “noise.”
and i don’t really care what tom tango think of runs created. he may, like me, think that it has its place. but he also didn’t put park adjustments in wOBA. there may have been a reason for that. my opinion is because there is a place for adjusted and non-adjusted stats
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If you expected the year of the pitcher to be brought up, why not bring it up yourself? We’re only seeking facts here.
Albert’s batting average is based on opposing pitching and defense in addition to parks. Why should their having a bad year make his a good year? Because everyone else is playing the same game against the same pool of opponents, and our comparisons are based on the performance of one’s peers. An OBP of .400 used to be just a number, and it only became good once peer observation showed it to be.
Non-adjusted states, by mandate, would exist before adjusted stats can; you get the adjustments by comparing the differences.
because i think it's a distraction from the real point
the real point being that there is a lot more variation involved year-to-year than just quality of opposition
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OBP is calculated the same way every year, and so are the components of wOBA – we’re only talking scale factors.
“Meaningless” isn’t “probably” too strong of a word, it’s way too strong and another example of attempting to call somebody out for something you suspect while doing the same (or in this case much worse) in the process.
The weights and PAs are still being measured with perfect accuracy. The stated goal of wOBA – and how it even got its name – is that it takes real run values and scales them against OBP. That may be superficial, but it is the design intent – so it’s not clear to me how accurate scale would belie the goal or value of the statistic.
If wOBA should be a constant, I think it should change its name and drop the scaling. If it should scale against OBP, I think it should scale against OBP.
"Meaningless" isn’t "probably" too strong of a word, it’s way too strong and another example of attempting to call somebody out for something you suspect while doing the same (or in this case much worse) in the process
first of all, drop the crusade against me. did i offend you somewhere along the line that i don’t remember? if so, i’m sorry. but i’m not inclined to converse with you if you’re going to keep up this bullshit
The weights and PAs are still being measured with perfect accuracy.
and then they’re adjusted. and to make the stat particularly useful, the adjustement should remain static year-to-year until it is discovered that there is a better adjustment that would more accurately evaluate a hitter’s performance
so it’s not clear to me how accurate scale would belie the goal or value of the statistic.
the goal of the stat is to measure total offensive performance in a manner that makes it possible to compare hitters and accurately determine who performed better over a certain period of time. the scale adjustment is one that makes the stat easier to understand. so, constantly changing the adjustment (one that makes the stat more easily usable) undermines the intent of the stat (to accurately measure offensive performance)
If wOBA should be a constant, I think it should change its name and drop the scaling. If it should scale against OBP, I think it should scale against OBP.
you’re making judgments about how the stat should be calculated based on the name?
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There is no crusade but yours. I only responded to your post as I had planned on doing, and you accused me of bringing something back up. Please, yet again, stop accusing me of things that you are doing (and spare the false apologies).
The scale isn’t for accurately evaluating performance, it’s for intuition. The stated target for scaling, as I read it, is lgOBP – not just lgOBP in the RSE of the stat’s inception.
The accuracy of wOBA’s components is in no way changed by its scaling; only its scaling is. lgOBP is also an actual and specific scaling target; 15% is just a multiplier.
I, of course, am not making judgements and how the stat should be calculated based on its name and I’m sure you know that. It’s called “weighted on-base average,” and I was only saying that the name should be changed IF (and obviously, only if) it no longer relates to on-base averages.
There is no crusade but yours. I only responded to your post as I had planned on doing, and you accused me of bringing something back up. Please, yet again, stop accusing me of things that you are doing (and spare the false apologies).
please point out how i have a crusade. this started as someone wanting to better understand wOBA, an explanation was given, a clarification was given and somewhere along the line it became clear that you had a problem with me. now all you’re doing is going “no u.” it’s tired, man. either you want to discuss advanced metrics or you want to nitpick my words/personality/whatever else you’re trying to do. i enjoy the former. i don’t have the patience for the latter. your choice
The scale isn’t for accurately evaluating performance, it’s for intuition.
exactly. so why are we going to spend so much time and compromise the accuracy of the stat for something superficial?
The accuracy of wOBA’s components is in no way changed by its scaling; only its scaling is. lgOBP is also an actual and specific scaling target; 15% is just a multiplier.
you’re right. the evaluation of hitters is no less accurate by changing the multiplier every year. it just makes comparisons (the whole fucking point of stats) less accurate.
I, of course, am not making judgements and how the stat should be calculated based on its name and I’m sure you know that. It’s called "weighted on-base average," and I was only saying that the name should be changed IF (and obviously, only if) it no longer relates to on-base averages.
and i just don’t care what it’s called. i care what it measures, how accurately it does so and how reliably i can use it to compare players
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whether or not the
1.15 multiplier should be changed every single year so as to have wOBA scaled exactly to OBP every year as opposed to having a more useful stat that is roughly scaled to OBP with a constant formula
did i phrase that in a leading manner?
oh and he’s also still railing on me for supposedly trying to pick a fight with mysterui a few hours ago when he phrased something poorly and then i phrased something poorly in response. but htat’s the boring part
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Well the point of the stat is linear weights scaled to OBP
So, yes, you would want to have the multiplier changed each year to match league OBP. The weights should be changed to match the league run environment as well.
well, i disagree
if you want to know why, i’ve explained it in detail above.
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I didn’t bring crusades into the conversation. I am in a state of response here, not action, and you are inserting an increasing amount of emotional phrasing into your arguments.
The accuracy of the stat is not compromised: its underlying components remain true to their constituency (linear weights), and the scale to its (OBP). Contrasted with league averages as recommended in either case, no ability to evaluate the hitter is lost.
by astrostl on Aug 6, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
i conceded that the stat is no less accurate. what i said is that the comparison become less accurate
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That makes sense
But the point of wOBA is for it be a value stat – compared to the league average rather than accross seasons.
I also agree that perfect OBP scaling introduces variance into straight wOBA comparisons, but think that they’re not good to start because they ignore the RSE.
i find that hard to believe when that's not what's done
all the variance in league average OBP and run values are mostly noise influenced. i don’t see the point in adjusting every year for what is largely noise.
the whole point of stats, in my opinion, is to be able to compare players. WAR isn’t in place to say player x added exactly y runs to his team in a given year. it’s in place to apply a standard to which we can compare players over given periods of time. that’s the value that i view in wOBA. very little noise and nearly perfect accuracy. rerunning linear weights and scaling every year makes wOBA, for me, more difficult to understand and inherently less valuable as a tool to compare players
the purpose of scaling to OBP is only to make the stat more intuitive. i’d say it becomes less intuitive if it’s different every year or rebuilt every day. if that were the case, you’d have to be able to identify differing trends in league OBP and linear weight values to really know what the stat is saying. as of now, if you understand the stat, you can look at it and know what a .400 wOBA is suggesting without all kinds of other research
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Hitters, defenders, and/or pitchers doing better or worse on an MLB-wide level isn’t noise – it’s a change in performance. We compare players to their peers, and knowing the run-scoring environment is critical.
WAR is built on performance runs, and only happens to be useful for comparison because it is a standard.
wOBA component values change every year, also based on the RSE. Everything circles back to the environment and peers. A .400 OBP in 2009 does not necessarily indicate the same performance as one in 2010.
wOBA does not change every year
whether or not it should is fair game for debate, but this is not what’s done
and as long as the linear weight values aren’t recalculated every year, a .400 wOBA means the exact same thing as it did the year before. maybe there’s a fundamental flaw in the way i evaluate players, but i evaluate them based on what they do first and then compare it to other, similar players second. if albert has 2 consecutive .430 wOBA seasons, i do not view the 2 seasons differently because of a 5 point difference in league wOBA
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and as long as the linear weight values aren’t recalculated every year
wOBA’s linear weights are recalculated every year: see http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/woba_year_by_year_calculations/
well, i don't know to read SQL
so i guess i’ll take your word for it
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You don’t need to take my word for it! It’s referenced in the text below the code, in the links, and in the comments (including “Fangraphs is going to implement this”).
An example, per http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/woba_year_by_year_calculations/#10
Yes, this query does generate a wOBA based on custom Linear Weights. The HR is fixed at 1.4 runs and the SB is fixed at .20 runs. Here are the weights that wOBA is using for 1996 (5+ RPG) and 1968 (3.5 RPG):
1996, 1968
0.48, 0.42 1b
0.78, 0.72 2b
1.05, 0.99 3b
1.40, 1.40 hr
0.33, 0.27 bb-ibb
-.28, -.20 ab-h
0.20, 0.20 sb
-.45, -.33 cs
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Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I seriously fucking hate the Reds
are they ever gonna go on an extended losing streak (ok, I guess not when they’re playing the Flubs and Pirates)
Were just gonna have to take it to them ourselves next week.
I like the matchups….looks like we will have Carp,Garcia,Waino vs. Leake,Cueto,? Arroyo?
I like our chances in each of those games….Leake has been getting rocked lately, we have hit Cueto well this year and then you have to like game 3 with Wainwright vs. anyone. Its not likely we take all three but we are definately set up nicely to win the series.
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Reds are already up 2 nothing in the top 2nd
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 2:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's not like the Reds
have been playing a tough schedule. Not since the Phillies swept them four straight, anyway. Cincinnati has a home stand facing the Cardinals and Marlins, then goes on a swing through Arizona, LA and San Francisco.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Gorzo looks awful so far, just walked arroyo
Thats 3bbs through 1.1 innings….its gonna be another long day for the Cubs
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i was initially disappointed that mlb audio is not working for me
but now… not so much
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i found this yesterday
I have no idea if anybody posted a link to it
http://failblog.org/2010/08/04/epic-fail-photos-well-leave-this-ball-right-here/#comments
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
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Allen Craig
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
My guess is all the girls
would boff Brendan Ryan, marry Joe Mather and kill Allen Craig. On looks and personality alone. Ryan is the cute frat boy, Mather the steady husband type, and Craig … well, he kind of looks dangerous, doesn’t he?
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why it's a guess.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not according to my daughter
she was excited to find out that Craig was only one year younger than she is.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
arent mather boog and craig all nearly the same age
i think of them all as just being my age
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
This will change.
Once players you remember seeing play become coaches, managers, and front office execs.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I remember
when Steve Sax was a rookie. Hell, I remember Garry Templeton as a rookie. And when Keith Hernandez hit .340. And when Bob Welch struck out Reggie.
… I’ll be out on the porch in the rocking chair yelling at kids to get the hell off my lawn.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm already there
I was in grade school at the time, but I do remember watching Gibby against the yanks in the ’64 series. we had a teacher that was a Yankees fan and she let us watch the series in class. That was way back in the days of all day games for the series. Man I may be older than dirt.
Pretty sure Dave Pendelton is older than you, yet.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
please tell me your daughter doesn't talk to you about who she wants to.. uhm.. boff
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
No, more along the lines of marry
I think that’s her secret dream, to marry a ballplayer, especially one on the Cardinals.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
this was my secret dream until i realized that baseball players travel all the time
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
so then you hire a pool boy
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
and random women throw themselves at them
and some professional athletes are as faithful as tiger woods
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
if i'm basing this completely independently of baseball talent, definitely have to boff mather and marry boog
i guess that means craig is toast.
here is the reason: mather is too good-looking. you would always be worried about him cheating. boog is a much safer bet on that. mather, however, is HOT and therefore should definitely be boffed.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
honey, boog is not marriage material
just boff em both
btw, i had to look the definition of that word up
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Learning something new everyday.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
i dont know, i think he just needs a woman to help settle him down
he seems like the type i could boss around.
mather would be fighting off all the ladies and i’d just be jealous all time. and craig…he is only mildly good looking and has yet to show any personality.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
adhd is, from what i understand, very difficult
on the non-adhd partner
and i just want to remind you of this jow mather:
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
note to self
he seems like the type i could boss around.
beware of lawyers….
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
did this exist before the Step Brothers job interview?
around the 1 minute mark
I love this movie
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
This has been around forever
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
never seen it
don’t plan on starting. something about Alec Baldwin keeps me away
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
It's really hilarious. One of the best comedies on TV, easily
Always Sunny, HIMYM, and this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
baldwin is just phenomenal in it
he is easily the best reason to watch it.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Aug 6, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i'm not a big alec baldwin fan, but he is really good in 30 rock
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I need to get the hell off this site, it's warping my brain
My boss’ name is Chip. I just called him Skip to his face.
My boss's name is Sandy and I just called her Ruben Goatse
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
can i ask how "goatse" is pronounced?
in case i want to make a joke about it someday and pretend like i know what i’m talking about
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I've always just pronounced it "goats"
But I’m not sure if that’s right
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
well, i just say
goatsex, because the website it was on was called goatse(dot)cx, which i believe is now defunct.
i like how there are all these different options for pronunciation
ive never heard of this…thing…before, and i’m not even allowed to google it, but there’s like 4 different interpretations of the pronunciation on this site alone.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
If I make it back to Yogurtland before you, you should consider your summer a failure
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
goatse
is a famous internet picture of a guy bent over, stretching open his tush
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Man, we were trying to keep her innocence intact!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Being a lawyer, I doubt she's very shocked any more.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
well at least now i know what it is
i am grateful, however, that i did not google it
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
That's how I pronounce it
And it tends to remind me of that scene in Firefly where Atherton calls Serenity a piece of go-se.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
In the U.S. Navy
calling your boss “Skip” or “Skipper” is acceptable.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
could have been worse
you could have gone with “Skipperdoodle”
did your boss say anything about it?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Listening to Animal House at work
Let’s put Miles on double secret probation
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
Lineup
Lopez 3B,
Jay RF,
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF,
Rasmus CF
Molina C
Skip 2B,
Wainwright P,
Ryan SS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
no miles! at 2nd or 3rd!
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
or at all!
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
Wow I have to say this is the first lineup in a long time
I am not disappointed with…..i would assume tony will find some way to get Miles and Winn into the game though
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
careful what you wish for
Fox_Sports_MW
Updated #STLcards lineup – Lopez 3B, Jay RF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Rasmus CF, Molina C, MILES 2B, Wainwright P, Ryan SS
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
just know that miles is 2-3 against some pitcher in the bullpen that probably won't even get in the game
therefore, starting second basemen
HFS i just stumbled across why TLR loves veterans
Conspiracy Theory: “young pitchers” and “young hitters” lack the experience in the bigs that give them SSS match ups which allow TLR to micromanage the game in almost any fashion he desires without responsibility or accountability. “Just playing the match ups (heheheheheh)”
IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
cubs have 2nd and 3rd, nobody out
i can’t believe i am being forced to root for the cubs.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
HFS they did not score a run
i have just gotten a taste of the frustration cubs fans must feel on a daily basis
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
You haven't watched many Cardinals games this year have you?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I need your therapist.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Cincy adds another... 3-0 mid 7th
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
and thanks for absolutely nothing cubs
you suck
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
I have to say Arroyo is having a damn good year...
He still has his blowup starts about once a month but hes been pretty solid.
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh so do I...i dont know if theres a reds player I hate more
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
johnny gomes gives him a run for his money
but i dunno
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Johnny Gomes pisses me off too....
But he has regressed back to his normal self and has been sucking and striking out a bunch lately so he doesn’t bother me as much anymore.
I dislike Volquez just bc he got away with using PEDs and didnt get suspended. I cant stand Votto probably bc hes good and I absolutely hate dusty. All in all I just really dislike this reds team and I have for a while.
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i respect the heck out of votto on the field
but when i saw him wearing a “vote votto” shirt… well that cemented his status as a colossal douche in my book
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He's probably thinking about starting a band.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
a lot of acid?
a lot of pot? aaron miles starting at 2b?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 6, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
I was actually confusing Bronson Arroyo with this Johnny Damon Onion article:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/johnny-damon-probably-thinking-about-starting-a-ba,5276/
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i hate the little prick for that smirk he gave Mather after striking him out earlier in the year.
I wanted to reach thru the tv and take by the neck and slap the shit out of him.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
leadoff the inning with a basehit...
then follow it up with a strike em out, throw em out double play…
'Hold my stones!'
Fire Tony LaRussa
Lost Epilogue
The entire 12 minute Lost epilogue is out:
Answers a fair amount of questions.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
oops
looks like they had to take it down. I’m sure the full video is out there somewhere.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
Reds are on the verge of blowing it open..
….come on Cashner
I wish the Reds would blow a lead for once, im getting really frusterated with their consistency.
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
at some point arthur rhodes' arm is going to fall off
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 6, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
come on cubbies
Pretend it’s the Cardinals.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Maybe, just maybe
Cubs fans are rooting for their own team to lose just so the Reds win the division and stick it to the Cardinals.
For the Cubs fans thinking this way: Fail. There is a wild card, and the Cardinals have a pretty good chance for that what with the Giants and their schedule coming up.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And
the Cubs are on pace to lose 92 games. Hey, it is like 2006 all over again!
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
DGSLKGJLDSGJLS WHAT THE FUCK
Miles has replaced Skip at 2B. Details to follow
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Although I'm sure he knows it
… a little reminder for Miles might be helpful.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
FFFFUUUUU
somewhere, alone, TLR is smiling.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
Unless hes hurt I dont understand why....
And if skip is hurt we are in big trouble, that means everyday fuckimg Miles….this is seriously ridiculous….its not even a joke, he is the worst player in baseball
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And I can hear it already
When the collision course with reality continues, at an accelerated pace, because he is playing every damn day, it will be written off as a result of being forced to be used improperly. Put him back on the bench and use him every 2nd or 3rd day and things will be fine, they will say. So now he’ll be hitting .220/.250/.260 by September and they STILL won’t get the point. That this guy just sucks.
Worst nightmare when they signed this guy to a minor league deal is coming true. Those 50 foot singles in the summer are going to hose us over in September.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 6, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
strauss did say on wednesday that schu had some injuries
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
id take injuref skip over Miles in a heartbeat
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hahaha
Does injured skip equal Descalso?
I mean we are literally out of any other options if that happens. I could totally see Tony convincing Mo to bring in scott spezio. How awesome would that be? A spezio,miles platoon at 2nd/late inning relief
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea but if skip gets DLd they still need another IF
At least until Greene is back….you dont think they possibly promote descalso for a week or two? Wait is he even on the 40 man?
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea we do need to. The only other IF on the 40 man
Is Hamilton.
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i can't believe we haven't 60-day DL'd him yet!
what are we waiting for
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I wish we would of tried to convert Anderson to 2nd base
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually wondered that earlier.
Double threat. He could replace Freese and LaRue.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I thought you meant Hamilton....
Hes a pretty decent hitter but im sure if he could play anywhere aside from first they would of tried it already.
Bernie had some scout on his show earlier in the year when Anderson came up and he was saying how alot of scouts had no idea why Luhnow was so dead set on keeping Anderson at catcher, and that he would have had alot more value before last year if they could have moved him to 2nd. The guy, I forget his name now, was sayin he thought Anderson was a better fit there because he wasnt a very good defensive catcher. And, apparently lots of other scouts did too but Luhnow was being stubborn.
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
honestly if skip goes to the DL they'll bring up Gotay
he can play 2b or 3b. i’d shocked if that’s not their choice
Man Dusty has been wearing the hell out of Cordero
I hope he breaks down during the stretch, im surprised he isnt worried about that happening. This is already his 53rd game. You would think with a 3 run lead against the lowly Cubs he might give him the day off.
If he wears down their bullpen isn’t very deep and they would be in trouble…haha I hope it happens, I would love to see Izzy blowing games for them down the stretch!
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Don't worry its Dusty
Besides… they just signed Isringhausen
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 6, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
and Springer
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
The Cardinals need to hire a baserunning coach. Hello, Larry Walker.
What's Randy Flores doing now?
Maybe Dusty wants to get the ’06 Cards bullpen band back together.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 6, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Springer already got hurt....hes done
by mick311 on Aug 6, 2010 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i just got in a pseudo fight at work about the phillies-marlins foul call
the librarian came in here and asked if she needed to separate us.
is there really any debate about this? the guy missed the call.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
it looked as if it was foul crossing the bag,
but from the shitty camera angle i could be wrong. i only watched it once.
the ump clearly watched it go over the bag, took his eyes off the ball because he knew that it was foul (which is why everyone is pissed off), and called it foul.
then it landed in fair territory.
More from the bed intruder situation in my hometown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
He's actually been a really good sport about it
Check this story out
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
haha, I remember the original video you posted...
nice auto-tune.
'Hold my stones!'
Fire Tony LaRussa
what would the world do without nerdy white guys
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Skippy out with a sore wrist
Too much Hotmaker last night
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That was hilarious.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 6, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Dr. Blunder?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 6, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
What a delightful mouse
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
your confusion confuses me
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Aug 6, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
srry just mad that their sorry asses didn't beat the reds..
Plus I really think they are making an effort to get the pirates out of last place by putting themselves there.
oh, i know
pisses me off too. fwiw, pitt could use it really.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Aug 6, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe the runner
will think he is out and just go back to the dugout! we should tell miles, he may actually make some plays that way.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Aug 6, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh the game's starting
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
FUCK....
I forgot it was an east coast game….I’m gonna miss the first hour.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Being able to set the
DVR remotely is sweet. Didn’t miss a thing.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
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