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Jaime Garcia and The Third Base Blues

You know how cartoon characters, after they fall off a cliff and get hit by a falling boulder, will look at the camera and say, "Well, at least things can't get any worse," and are immediately struck by lightning as it begins pouring rain? I've taken to walking around my house this morning, saying, "At least things can't get any worse," in the hopes of bringing a rainstorm that would at least cool things off a bit. Sadly, I have yet to locate the invisible audience. 

Getting humiliated by the Houston Astros, again, in our home ballpark, is bad. But that's just a loss. That happens all the time, and no matter how deflating the loss you play again the next night. It's one of the nice things about baseball. What's really miserable is the knowledge the cavalry isn't coming. David Freese isn't coming back; apparently he's more Mr. Glass than Mr. Freeze and his ankles snap with literally no provocation whatsoever. Unfortunately that means what we saw last night - y'know, the whole Aaron Miles playing third base thing - is likely to be the norm rather than the exception for the near future. 

The story of the 2010 Cardinals has, up to this point, largely been about players underperforming. Holliday early on with his men-on-base issues (and no, that's not a euphemism), the middle infield's collective dive off the offensive deep end, Albert's season-long malaise. But I submit to you if the time finally comes - and I'm not saying it has, or will - we must write the inscription for this team's memorial, it will be simple and elegant and sad. 

"The Cavalry Never Came." 

Star-divide

Of course, simply blaming the injuries is too easy. Underneath the inscription, I want a copy of the lineup card from last night, the one where it lists Aaron Miles as third baseman and Allen Craig, former third base prospect, as right fielder. Oh, and a quick video montage of Miles' throwing error in the first and the double-play ball he booted in the third and his weak groundouts and, well, you get the idea. 

I don't want to pile on just Miles specifically, but I feel like I have to say something. After all, over at the Cards' website there's a story entitled, "Miles Hurls Scoreless Inning for Cards," but not, "Miles Makes Mopup Work Necessary." Okay, maybe, "Miles, Mitchell, and Mac Make Mopup Work Necessary." I know, I've got two last names and one first there, but what can I say? I'm a sucker for headline alliteration. 

Last night was the first time we've really seen Jaime Garcia blink this season. Every other start, no matter what stuff he had or what plays were or weren't made behind him, he stared down his opponents with the same utter lack of fear we've come to expect from Carpenter or Wainwright; last night, though, Jaime looked like he was pitching scared. He looked afraid to challenge hitters, afraid of what the result would be, and that's not something we've seen from him before. Of course, given the way things went down when he did challenge hitters to put the ball in play, I can't exactly blame him; I certainly wouldn't want to throw a grounder up there when there seems to be a roughly 50/50 chance it gets booted. I would have given anything to be able to hear the conversation between Dave Duncan and Garcia on the mound when Duncan made his bizarrely-timed visit after an 0-2 curveball; I have a feeling Duncan was pissed because Jaime was deliberately pitching away from contact, but nothing to prove it. 

So is there anything out there the Cards could go and get to fill in at third base for the rest of the season? Honestly, it's tough to really see a major upgrade who will make it through waivers, unless Aramis Ramirez somehow sneaks through. Unfortunately, he also has a massive option for next season, which he has already said he plans on exercising, so I doubt we're taking on another 16 million bucks of 2011 salary to avoid seeing Aaron Miles play more at the hot corner. Tyler Greene would be an ideal solution, of course, especially given Brendan Ryan's recent run of better hitting, but Greene is among the walking wounded as well. I'm sure we'll see plenty more Felipe Lopez over there, but let's face facts: Lopez isn't really all that much better over there with the glove than Miles. He can make the throw across, of course, but also occasionally just seems to decide he's too good for a particular grounder and just lets it go. 

There are really no internal options, unless the Cards wanted to bring up Matt Carpenter and hope he goes all Bo Hart for a month or two. I've seen a few people bat around the name Chone Figgins, but they seem to forget he's signed for another three years after this to a brutally awful contract. 

In the end, the best we can hope for is for Tony to see the light and at least give Allen Craig a shot. I've seen Craig play third in the minors, and trust me, while he's not exactly Scott Rolen or Ryan Zimmerman out there, he's also not the unmitigated disaster we witnessed last night. Maybe we could get Morgan Ensberg to give up his blog long enough to make a comeback...

No matter what, though, we can still take comfort in the fact no matter how big a disaster our third base situation may currently look to be, neither Joe Thurston nor Miguel Tejada will be appearing there any time soon. Cold comfort, I know, but you gotta take what you can get where you can get it. 

The Baron's Playlist for the 4th of August, 2010 -- More Power, Please

"September Gurls" - Big Star

"Go All the Way" - Raspberries

"So It Goes" - Nick Lowe

"Surrender" - Cheap Trick

"There She Goes" - The LA's

"I Saw the Light" - Todd Rundgren

"What You Do to Me" - Teenage Fanclub

"Alex Chilton" - The Replacements

"Pretty Little Star" - Key

"Goin' Through Your Purse" - Material Issue

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Oddest.....

I don’t disagree.

But one of the best.

by Stanley1 on Aug 4, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote for "best bad manager"

Games have been won around him.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Aug 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

around him

and despite him

i think tlr is just a competitor who can’t play in the field, so he tries to inject himself in the game by making too many moves and trying to do the odd thing often enough to get called smart because inevitably, some of the odd moves work out

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's a meddler.

A surprisingly successful meddler.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is the losingest non-owner manager.

I don’t know how that affects the answer to your question.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was tipping his pitches

The Astros were hitting everything he threw up there.

by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, and after Duncan came out to the mound in the 4th...

He seemed to have some success…

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Aug 4, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's Mexican

don’t they have heat in Mexico?

/HarryCarey

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 4, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dusty?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 5, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at Casey Blake's contract situation...I don't like it.

Still a year left, quite a hefty amount, and he has a 2012 player option.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

...and he got traded for Carlos Santana!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

He falls in the same category as Ramirez, unfortunately. Blake would make a nice rental for the rest of the season, but I don’t think we really want him hanging around next year as well.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is one year of Casey Blake at 5.25M really that bad

considering David Freese is no guarantee to ever be healthy?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's an awful lot of money to pay a bench player for 1 year.

Assuming Freese comes back. Which is no guarantee, but still, you have to plan for multiple scenarios.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also possible.

But we’ve seen enough of Freese to know that he’s better than Casey Blake.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

either way

combine Freese and Blake’s salaries and say “this is our 3rd base position”. Who cares which is making more?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense to me.

Unless you start to look at what that extra 4 or 5 million could go towards.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

like shoring up 3rd base?

David Freese is anything but reliable.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on what is available.

nevertheless, you’d be spending like just over 6 million on one position (3rd base). And that’s two players.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I definitely agree.

As a whole, that’s not a lot of money to spend. But if Freese is completely healthy and producing like he did for 3 months this season, there’s no need for Blake. Then that money could go elsewhere.

I’m all for having an insurance policy…it’s just an expensive policy.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

"If"

That’s a huge “IF” when put in front of the words “David Freese” and “healthy”.

Anyway, I think the cheapness of Freese’s contract makes it very stomach-able. If it were the other way around and Blake was the question mark and we brought in Freese (who didn’t have the injury history), I think you’d be all over it, right?

Plus, I believe Casey is a movable commodity. He doesn’t make much money (in the grand scheme of third basemen), can still play the position. Fits well in a clubhouse. Grows a great playoff beard (discussed yesterday).

I’d say you could probably move him if you needed to pretty easily without eating much, if any at all, of his contract.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wouldn't be

a terrible option. The best of a bad lot, to be sure, compared to many of the others.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've convinced me.

Mainly because of the callback to the beard.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

shit.

I should have played that card earlier….

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't that what we did this year?

Hasn’t turned out all that fantastic, if you ask me.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

we upgraded the MIF this year?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given how Schu and Boog are playing this year

Floppy would clearly be an upgrade in the MIF if we could actually play him there.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah. yes. easy to forget when he's not actually playing MIF.

hey its a good thing we signed him at the last minute! it would be all miles all the time!

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do not ever suggest that again.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

so why did we sign gotay and give him so many at bats at AAA, if he isn’t a viable option?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

besides

how can you even compare Ramirez and Blake and say they’re in the same category? Ramirez makes 10M dollars more per year than Blake.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but

I meant in the sense you don’t necessarily want them for more than just this year but would have to take them for 2011 as well.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could probably eat a little of Blakes contract

say the 1.25M buyout for 2012, and get someone to take him off your hands.

Either way, he’s not a bad guy to have around and I don’t see him getting in too many people’s way at 3rd except Craig and he should be getting fairly regular playing time in the outfield anyway.

I’m just saying, picking up Casey Blake solves a lot of issues right now (if this whole Craig thing is less than palatable) and “getting stuck” with him for 2011 isn’t exactly a bad thing. Ideal? No. But not horrible.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree....

….and he would be a better back-up to have around in case freeze really is made of glass. he can have Winn’s roster spot.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cavalry Never Came...yup, pretty much sums it up

Taking questions today, RB?
1. Have you heard Arcade Fire’s new one yet? What do you think?
link, if anyone wants to hear
2. I can get free NYY – Sawx tickets for the game at Yankee Stadium on friday. Go, or shy away based on my intense dislike for both teams?

by mattyp on Aug 4, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh I'd totally go

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arcade Fire's new one

is exactly what I would expect from them. It’s incredible.

And go. I’ve never been to either Yankee Stadium (one of only about seven parks I haven’t visited), and I would jump at the chance to go even hating both teams. Totally worth it just to see the stadium. (Unless you’ve been before. I would still probably go, but it’s not as much of a slam dunk.)

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What stadiums haven't you been to?

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never been to

either NY stadium (old or new on Yankee; went to Shea once and it was a shithole), Fenway, San Diego, Seattle, Anaheim, Arizona, Arlington, um, I think that’s it.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is funny because the only stadiums i've been to are pretty much the exact ones you haven't been to.

except i’ve been to dodger stadium and not any NY stadiums

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh... Dodger Stadium...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chavez Ravine

was kinda cool, but I was shocked to find it isn’t even the slightest bit of an exaggeration when they talk about people only coming for the middle four innings, except the latin contingent in the bleachers. Not a great stadium, but cool to see nonetheless.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Dodger Dogs are terrible, the fans are terrible, the parking is terrible

Hell, even getting to the stadium is terrible!

I need to check out Angel Stadium this year… maybe make my way down to Petco

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh,

I thought the dogs were okay. You are correct about the rest of it.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're skinny and long (no twss)

I’d rather get a nice, thick kosher dog at the Busch any day (TWSS as much as you want)

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petco is really nice, IMO

the ocean is right there…and there are these cool historic buildings that they built the stadium around so they became part of the stadium. even though i have been there three times and never seen the cardinals win, i still really like it.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks beautiful on television.

I would like to go, just have never gotten there yet. I did, however, have the “pleasure” of seeing a game at Qualcomm. Oy.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

AT&T park, or whatever they are calling it these days, is #1 on my list of where i want to go next

i usually go to the NLDS when the cardinals play a west coast team. i am rooting for the giants this year.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll love it.

Probably my second favourite park, after PNC. Just an amazing stadium.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote meetup if the Cards play the Dodgers

We’ve got a few west coasters here

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

...which they won't

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

we could meet up in san diego.

i don’t know if i can go back to dodger stadium. i had things thrown at me. and i was called really terrible, unrepeatable names. and i wasn’t even in the bleachers.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I was definitely in the bleachers during last year's playoff series

It was fun, though. Some light hearted ribbing, nothing too bad

Yeah, I could do San Diego

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it cause i'm a girl? there were a group of guys telling me to...do things...

it was disgusting. luckily, i had my u of a hoodie and wore it out of the stadium when jeff suppan lost to jose lima (RIP).

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's so horrible

with my big mouth, i would have probably talked back and gotten my ass kicked

sorry you had to make that experience. i’ve never seen anything remotely similar happen at busch

maybe that’s the right time to find security, complain, and ask for other seats (upgrade pls)

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think there are seats at Dodger Stadium that WOULDN'T be like that

I mean, I guess you sit behind home plate for the 1-3 innings and 7-9…

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think if it happened now i would react differently.

but i was a kid and i was actually pretty scared to be in LA anyway. luckily, there was this other cardinals fan in my section who was super rowdy and he drew most of the attention from the haters after awhile.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

so they were picking on children?

stay classy LA
dicks

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...by kid i mean i was 21

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa

Careful there

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

but we actually got lost going to our hotel and we found a gas station where some cops were chilling so we stopped for directions

and then we told the cops what happened at the game and then they told us that earlier that year a giants fan had been stabbed in the parking lot after a game and that it was probably a good thing that the cardinals lost.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

hfs

note to self: don’t go to dodger stadium
updated note to self: just don’t go to l.a.

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably the right way to go

Though it does have redeeming qualities

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, go to dodger stadium. its an experience worth having.

just pretend to root for the dodgers while you are there. or at least be indifferent. go when they are playing the cubs or something.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

at first i thought no way i pretend to root for them
and then i read “when they’re playing the cubs” – i can get on board with that haha
you’re a smart girl

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly. But that's horribly inappropriate. If anything, guys should be getting the brunt of it, not the girls

The Cards lost when I went… I still maintain that the ball Ryan Ludwick hit down the LF line was fair

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you have a good view of that play?

i cannot believe there has never been a replay.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I was halfway up the bleachers

I can’t claim that I had the best perspective haha

Everybody at the stadium thought it was fair though… The guys that I was joking with all night look at me and just go “Yikesssssssss”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

AT&T Park is friggin awesome

If you go for a day game, consider sitting in the upper deck behind home plate, you get a stunning view of the bay.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just need a find a friend who cares enough about baseball to pay $30 and drive 2 hours

for two teams he doesn’t care about

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know of 3 people who are also from Missouri. One's a Royals fan, one I can't stand, and the other just graduated

Oh, and one girl from my home town who’s had a crush on me since I was 10 who went to USC specifically because of me who I’ve avoided successfully for 3 years

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa. that's creepy. (the girl)

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, nice to watch a game there

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petco is great

I’ll never forget the first game I saw there, since that was the game Pujols took out the SD battery. Line drive off Chris Young’s face, then injured the catcher (I forget who) on his slide into home the same inning.

by stl522 on Aug 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

for me

kouz hit the hardest hit ball i think i’ve ever seen
it was amazing, and the cards lost too

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

haven't made it to Petco

They were still playing at qualcomm when I was there.

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to got to Dodger Stadium

but for purely historical purposes only. I too have heard it’s a shit hole, but feel obligated to go there.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is way you pretty much have to do it because of the traffic going in and out

it literally took me 2 hours to get out of the parking lot.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can safely say that it would be faster for me to walk to Dodger Stadium from USC than to drive there

Fuck. I hate LA.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i almost went to USC for undergrad

then i visited. the campus is great. the rest of LA, not so much.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love USC. Everything about the school. Hell, it probably got me this job with the Mariners

LA is just such a weird city for me. I loooovvvveeeee the weather, the beach, and the food. I haaaaaaattttteeee the traffic, the smog, and the people

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've only been to LA a couple times

But that perfectly summed up how I felt, except that I didn’t get to experience much of the food.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've only been to Turner, Busch, and Wrigley :(

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me...

Busch, Citi, Dodger, and SafeCo

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

“Turner Busch and Wrigley” sounds like some sort of sexual move that would be illegal in most of the South

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Or an awesome sequel to "Turner and Hooch"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

shit why do i keep forgetting i have been to wrigley?

someone just asked me the other day which stadiums i’ve been to and i forgot. maybe its because that was the game in 08 when carp was coming back from injury and he pitched poorly and the cardinals lost and i had to hear that stupid song…oh, the horror.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot at first I went there

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

selective memory.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

It was cold, windy, and they were playing the Reds. Matt Clement pitched a gem. I was too young to legally drink so I had to just sit there. I was wearing a Cardinals shirt though.

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

sucky place to watch a game

low slope to to stands and mostly i got to see what seemed like hundreds of vendors between me and the field

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i had family/friends seats, because i have a buddy who is friends with the cardinals' video guy

we sat next to schumaker’s cousin.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

is he taller?

can he play 3B?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh i wish i had thought to ask.

schumaker was still playing OF at that time.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is not.

I’ve met the gentleman in question, and he told me he wishes, in fact, he were a little bit taller. Also that he was a baller, and had an attractive female acquaintance to whom he could place a phone call.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Braintwin high five

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, well played rb

well played

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Busch II & III,

the old Miller, Mile High, Kaufman, Shea, Old Yankee, Fenway, King Dome.
I think that’s it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stadiums

Bush II & III, Kauffman, Arlington Stadium, The Ballpark at Arlington, and Wrigley for major league parks

by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

busch 2 and 3, shea, old yankee, fenway

the fact that i haven’t been to kauffman, minute maid and the ballpark in arlington is probably my own fault

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh and dell diamond

lest i not forget!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Busch II and III,

Old Yankee, Wrigley, Coors, Old Fulton County, Giants (whatever name they are now using)

by NCSaluki on Aug 4, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sportsmans Park, Busch I, II, III, Old Yankee, New Yankee, Shea, Fenway, Tiger,

Wrigley, Memorial, Camdem, Petco, ATT, Safeco

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude....

Shea was a shit hole among shit holes.
Worst
Stadium
Ever…

:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea - Arcade Fire's new album is great!

Can’t wait to see them at Lollapalooza this weekend!

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Aug 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely go.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for mentioning new Arcade Fire

Listened via the link, which reminded me about my Best Buy Reward Zone (free) Napster subscription. So, I got the album for free with my quarterly credits.

by astrostl on Aug 4, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok... I'm sick of being negative

Heres my bit of optimism about the current 3B situation:

Maybe this is the GOBs favorable return for being such colossal douchebags to us all year. Maybe the situation with Freese and his glass ankles, Lopez and his concrete hands, and Miles and his midget-wrestler body is just precursor to the start of the Allen Craig era. Maybe Craig hits enough to justify his less than perfect (perceived) defense.

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

+ infiniti

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Freese should tape his ankles before every game...

If you have chronic ankle issues, it just seems logical… Soccer and Football players do it all the time…

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Aug 4, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And green.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

like Freese’s durability.

by goslinkygo on Aug 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am not worried about miles playing 3B at all anymore

you know, since we’re putting him in the rotation and all

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it was moore....

…of an emergency situation, rather than just toss Craig out there without having a bit of time to limber up
(by the way, I can write Craig now!)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

rotoworld is quoting goold as saying

That craig will get a look at third. Whatever a look means.

It’s funny, you know, our options dried up last year at third and craig languished in aaa while joe thurston, mark derosa, and the amazing wrist that goes “pop” took over at third.now he gets a chance? I’m not complaining about giving him a chance, just saying.

If he doesn’t hack it at third, gotay deserves a look.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 4, 2010 12:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

if craig does get his shot at 3B

it might be the only very slim silver lining out of last night … Tony actually put Craig at 3B for 1 inning and lightning did not thunder down from the heavens. Craig at 3B is only potential solution to the black hole we have at that position right now (for a player playoff eligible). We say the words “nothing left to lose” all the time … but this really is a true nothing left to lose situation. DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FREE ALLEN CRAIG!!!

by jjray on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO NO NO.

CHAIN ALLEN CRAIG TO THIRD BASE!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Craig didn't exactly rake in Memphis

during the first half of last season. He didn’t turn it on until after we traded for DeRosa. Even if he had been raking, the Cards still wouldn’t have given him a shot, so I guess my point is moot.

Padres' RFL for GG!

by stxcardsfan on Aug 4, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hitting, fielding, and pitching are NOT.....

this team’s biggest problem.

It feels like a team that lacks veterans in the clubhouse to get things right when they go wrong. We all know that isn’t the case, unless the vets we have aren’t leaders, but even that, I can’t imagine is true. Are there clubhouse issues extending beyond Luddy? Is Raz happy?

by Stanley1 on Aug 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

clubhouse issues come naturally when a team is losing

everyone seemed pretty chummy during the 8 game winning streak

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest problem...

is that we’re not winning enough…

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Aug 4, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

that’s why Houston shellacked us.

by sdrone on Aug 4, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that we don't have Ludwick

Our team doesn’t throw that well, either. Skip and Molina are the only two guys on the field with plus arms, I think.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

When the hell did biff become a word?

Some intern here used it the other day, and I’d honestly never heard that word before

Am I becoming uncool? Do I need to start listening to Justin Bieber?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

who? wat?

biff is not new and cool. its probably old and lame and you are too young and cool to know it.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This scenario is much more likely

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urban Dictionary: To have an epic fail or get seriously hurt.

To Fall HARD. From the longboard community.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

becoming?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah man, I used to be so hip

I had the most Pokemon cards out of ANYBODY

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I traded your soul for Alf pogs!

Remember Alf? He’s back…

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boy, that was just a kick

in the balls, wasn’t it? After all the issues Colby had had this year with his throwing, he uncorks a perfect strike to nail Lee and Yadi just sort of…whiffs on it. Ugh.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was indeed RB,

with a pair of steel toed boots.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

jay has a good arm

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

forgot about him

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Boog have a plus arm?

or does his quick release kind of make him look more impressive?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably this

Oh, this reminds me… I talked to our advance scout yesterday about people he’s rated 80s

The only 80 that he’s ever given was to Brett Gardner’s speed, which I thought was surprising. Based on home to first times, and adjusting for handedness, apparently he rates better than Carl Crawford

He’s given a couple of 70 to 75 arms… Delmon Young, Nelson Cruz, Rick Ankiel.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell him Rick Ankiel has an 80 arm

And it’s not debatable.

The other 80s I’d give out are Pujols bat, Strasburg’s fastball, Rivera cutter, Yadier’s arm/pop times, not sure about this year but in years past Howard’s power (he’s currently 3rd in history for HR/AB). I’m sure I’m missing some others off the top of my head, but those scream out “historic”.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hoffman's changeup.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Koufax's curve

and his fastball.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought of that but couldn't quite put it there

Could you really say it is in the say top 5 in history? I’m not sure.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

No one makes those throws he did in Colorado.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

amaury cazana makes those throws

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Aug 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

catches em, too

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

It is not actually a throw

The ball just runs screaming away

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Aug 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

mark derosa's wife?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Aug 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well he only does hitters/fielders and he generally only does AL teams

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those plays were exceptional, no doubt

Best throwing performance I’ve ever seen by a player. I still don’t think Ankiel’s arm is consistently accurate, though, and Fangraphs’ arm runs seem to agree. Ludwick rates much higher, for example.

by astrostl on Aug 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really sure how much stock I'm putting into 3 seasons of ARM ratings over watching the guy make impossible throws

UZR isn’t really seeing the difference between a guy trying to go to 3rd on a gap floater vs. a throw from the effing wall in Colorado.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about all the throws that he just airmails

or are way off line, etc

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I disagree with that

The one thing that stood out to me was the irony that his arm was in fact crazy accurate.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I remember Rick’s arm being crazy strong, but volatile.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched him too. If I’m trying to record an out with a throw from RF, I’m choosing Ludwick over Ankiel – and I don’t think Ludwick is in contention for a best arm contest.

by astrostl on Aug 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a chance for me

Not even close to being close. Ankiel’s OF arm is the best I’ve ever seen.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raul Mondesi.

Dude was sick from right.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think his arm was even better than Dwight Evan's

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Whiten.

Currently, Jeff Francouer has a good arm.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm,

Vlad Gurrero was the freaking business when he was younger. Best OF arm in the majors in his prime.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

but he gunned some people out that I honestly saw laugh afterward.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reply fail

this was supposed to be in response to what else is there beside hitting, fielding and pitching

by NCSaluki on Aug 4, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

A: making sweet, sweet love.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 4, 2010 11:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You don't think.....

The roster has plenty of talent to be better than we have been? Why are AP’s numbers down? Why are Holliday’s down? Why are guys that are normally focussed and fundamentally sound making stupid mistakes? Why the baserunning mistakes? Why the general complacency? On paper, this team should hit well enough. On paper, this team should pitch well enough. On paper, this team should field good well enough. Well enough for what? I don’t know, but to be better than we’ve been most of the year.

It isn’t a talent issue. That should be obvious. If it isn’t talent, and the coaches don’t suck (I’m sure some knuckleheads will disagree), then it has to be an attitude/chemistry/lockerroom issue. There really isn’t another acceptable answer. And I might put Big Mac in that group. Never seen SO many Cardinals struggle for SO long. Hitting-wise, HE is what changed.

by Stanley1 on Aug 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't think that stuff is because of a lack of "veteran presence"

so are you advocating for more Winn/Miles/Larue types? I’m not sure what you are saying I guess. If superstars like Albert, Holliday, Carpenter, etc can’t give the team enough veteran presence, I’m not sure that adding another guy like Lowell is going to do that much for the chemistry, or whatever.

if players aren’t playing with their heads in the game, there must be something else going on.

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said add a scrubby veteran.....

I never even said that it was a problem. I said that “feels” like the problem. How in the world does a team play the way they have the last week when in the middle of a pennant race? Something is off. I have no idea what, but the talent is there. May or may not be WS talent, but we definitely have NL Central winning talent, even with most of the injuries. For whatever reason, way too often it feels like this team is just going through the motions.

by Stanley1 on Aug 4, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

it seems to me, if I were to guess

there’s a bit of a disconnect in the org between tony and other parties. just seems that the philosophies are very different, not sure how this translates to the players or the play on the field, but I’m not a psychologist or team analyst really.

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

holliday's numbers are not really down

last year on aug. 4: .308/.397/.496 (.893 OPS) with 65 RBI and 14 HRs

this year on aug 4: .298/.376/.530 (.906 OPS) with 64 RBI and 21 HRs.

and i don’t think its right to say that on paper this team should field well enough. not when you have an OF converted to 2B and no natural 3B. nor can you say this team should pitch well enough when 2/5 of the rotation is gone. and even so, the pitching has been pretty good this year, including the pen. the after a game like last night it is hard to say that, but it is the truth.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's other factors too

Just to name a few we have
1) Aging – Most of the regulars are on the wrong side of the normal aging curve. It’d only play a small part and was captured in projections etc. but is still there.
2) Luck – Ball in play luck; injury luck

Neither of those are affected by anything that has to do with chemistry or presence. Not that chemistry or presence wouldn’t be part of the equation, but it definitely doesn’t explain the entire gap between expected and actual performance.

by stevesommer05 on Aug 4, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

29 as the peak seasonal age...

Right side of it: Rasmus, Yadi, Jay, Boog

Wrong side of it: Holliday, Pujols, Schumaker, Felipe Lopez

All of the wrongsiders are 30. Bizarre.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of the right siders

only Jay and Raz are in the upswing part.. Yadi and Boog are questionable depending on whose aging study you trust most. JC Bradbury says 29 MGL says 27

But yeah my guess was off in general.

by stevesommer05 on Aug 4, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

my broken record comment

it’s tlr
too many goofy decisions that may be intended to communicate in some passive-aggresive way with other players or management i don’t know
but attitude starts at the top and if players like tlr or not, but are mystified by his moves, then they will become/have become dispirited
if we can see it, it so can the players
as that one anonymous quote after the ludwick deal: “what the hell are they doing” kind of sums it up
to me that is a big part of it
 injuries are part of it, but how you deal with the shortcomings is also important

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my point was it's not any one thing

I fell that it’s a combination of many things. Clearly you have the right to disagree

by stevesommer05 on Aug 4, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Al?

Rick? Which one are you?

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

fixed

“Miles, Mitchell, and Mac Make Mopup Work Necessary a Mandatory Must”
heh

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   5 recs

Fantastic.

And a rec for you.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean how most of them have very little content?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

write a paragraph! it would never fit in a daily thread

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd guess that half of fourstick's posts are longer than those fanposts...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

exactly!

I’ve been trying to suggest that maybe a fanshot chat is the way to go for those but they don’t listen. they just say that oh no one looks at fanshots. which is not true.

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never look at the fan shots...

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shhhhhhhhhhhh

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

look at them dammit!

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

SIGH....FINE.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And if you point it out,

your an asshole.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea why people are such fanpost, fanshots and overall post police

it’s far more annoying then whoever it is they’re trying to get the high ground on.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 4, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno

the quality of fanposts has definitely deteriorated. i think riverrat was being sarcastic. meaning, “if you point it out, you’re made out to be an asshole”

it’s so bad, i hardly even look at the fanposts anymore. used to be a source of very quality analysis. i guess i could get off my ass and contribute instead of bitching, though, eh?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right......

It just seems that a number of the FP’s are merely comments that can be made in a discussion thread, instead of bouncing a quality FP off the page.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if Craig does play 3B

do we need to find another OF? The idea of more Randy Winn out there makes me want to go all Brad Thompson on a puppy…..

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....

by Futility Infielder on Aug 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

well winn is probably staying

and there’s always emergency Skip in the OF

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

milk carton at 3rd

holly-cloby-jay
boog-floppy

alternate = scrappydoo at 2nd and rf; winn = ph only

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus

barden is available in the minors
and you can trade for them w/o waivers, right?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait what

Where did Barden come from?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, we're fresh out of BB's.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mather is starting to hit again

with power in AAA. I’d give him a shot in the outfield before a dumpster dive.

by jjray on Aug 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Lopez is available

He’ll be playing 3B. There is a reason Craig was shifted off of 3B and the only reason he needs to get a look at 3B is because Miles should never ever be stepping at 3B on the field. Lopez is the everyday 3B.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Stavinoha

If nothing else, I’d like to see them pick up someone else so they can move Miles to the bullpen, where he can be of some use.

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....

by Futility Infielder on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he should start the first game of every series

and in a few innings, after he’s screwed up everyone’s swing on the opposing team, the real game can start

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Awesome.

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....

by Futility Infielder on Aug 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the thought of Allen Craig at 3b

makes me want to go all Chris Duncan on a toaster!

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

martiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!

he will whip this team into shape!

Padres' RFL for GG!

by stxcardsfan on Aug 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brandon Inge?

If the Tigers keep fading, could he be an option? Detroit is 7 games back, playing .500 baseball. Inge is in the final year of a 4-year contract. He is getting paid $6.6 million this year, so we’d only be on the hook for ~$2-3 million. Could we get him? What would it take? Would we want him?

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe Inge is on the DL

for quite a while. I could be wrong, though.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

no.

he started his rehab stint last night.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

I couldn’t recall.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was not aware of that

Sounds like he could be back relatively soon, though (according to Tackle Box below)

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

*above

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also quite possibly not actually better than Aaron Miles at hitting

which is quite a feat for a professional ballplayer.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

other than the fact that he's hurt right now

but, if healthy, Inge fills a lot of holes.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can catch too

so, erm, dump LaRue and bring up Gotay. Or something.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, after a broken hand

I’d rather stay away. I’m sure the power won’t be there. I vote for a Craig, Lopez, and Mather platoon, especially since Mather’s power looks to be returning and he’s hit for average in Memphis.

Padres' RFL for GG!

by stxcardsfan on Aug 4, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damnit, why did Texas have to acquire Jorge Cantu?

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Aug 4, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

George Kissell turned Mike Shannon

into a 3rd baseman, wish he were still around

by Iowa on Aug 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

?

Pedro Feliz’ value is almost entirely drawn from that he is a legitimately awesome defensive 3B.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah

But I’d easily take him over Miles.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

even last night!

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per BJ Rains

Motte to DL, Palindrome up

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhhhh dear

well, I suppose as soon as you hear “shoulder tightness” you kinda think “DL for the next two years” when a Cards pitcher is involved. It’s starting to really suck that we didn’t get in on a reliever before the deadline. I really think our pen could absolutely stink in the second half.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They sure have sucked the last two nights

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salas?

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

i like it

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it make me want to pull of Jose Reyes style dance move

Like Salsa does

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 4, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Palindrome fail

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No politics!!!!

Or there’s a certain president whose 1/2 France 1/2 Karl Marx with his views and just because he’s less trendy to bash doesn’t mean he couldn’t

(the exception to no politics of course is bashing bp, fucking bp)

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

*we couldn't

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I certainly wouldn't say he's less trendy to bash

They’re pretty much equal nowadays

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rofled

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You know,

when you say, “No politics,” that does not give you carte blanche to then bring your own politics into. Knock it off.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

thank you

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks.

I appreciate it.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

"1/2 France 1/2 Karl Marx"

Benjamin Harrison?

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

let it go

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My palindrome was much lamer than everyone else's

/not a palindrome

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Able was I, ere I saw Elba!

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of these are a haiku.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tried, but failed.

Doc note: I dissent.
A fast never prevents a fatness.
I diet on cod.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Aug 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

WIN

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't believe that nobody posted this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nej4xJe4Tdg

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

did nobody watch this?

an entire song composed of palindromes by weird al?

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird Al is a genius.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awww shit

The hits just keep on coming.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 4, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, 0.5 games out

time to blow this team up and build for the future, right?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it needs to be blown up.

One upgrade in the middle infield and better health from the starting rotation and I think we’re just fine. Unfortunately, with Freese going out that upgrade almost assuredly won’t happen.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aggggh, that's my problem!

It seems like the players have tuned TLR out…we have a handful of players that take mental vacations every few games, but we’re a half game out!

What can you do!? You can’t fire TLR…you can’t call out players…aaaaaaaagh!

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerry Reinsdorf is intrigued by your suggestion and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Remember 1997

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure I do

but I also remember the white sox not only winning a World Series in 2006, but also being one of the most winningest teams (if not the #1 winningest team) in baseball the past 10 years.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

you remember the white sox winning a world series in 2006?

funny, i have different memories of 2006.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

2005

my bad…..

doesn’t change the point.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think our 2006 postseasons were vastly different.

Or I managed to drug myself into a very pleasant hallucination.

by Voxx on Aug 4, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but according to the market,

We could only get 2 useless minor leaguers for Pujols while paying some salary.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Aug 4, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCutcheon leadoff HR

Pirates up 1-0 on Reds

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

...Goddammit

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh!

My eyes! IT BUUURRRRNNNNNNSSSSSSS!!!

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was the throw so bad Skip didn't even bother trying for it?

Look at that gritty dive! He was just trying to make a play!

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody feels worse about that play than Aaron Miles

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was willing to get his uniform dirty for the play!

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That play did seem to light the fuse on the shit explosion that ensued...

But I think it would’ve prolonged the inevitable. Jaime didn’t have anything last night. Once the Astros honed in on what he was throwing (tipping his pitches, allegedly) they just sat back, waited, and hit it hard somewhere.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

throw

it looked like the ball almost hit the runner. waaay off line.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he thought they were playing kickball?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

he had so much time. fucking stand up miles.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame us.

Clearly Miles has read too much about how bad his arm is and thought he had to hurry the play more than he did. If he felt better about his throwing he wouldn’t have done that.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe he just didn't the running start that he needed to get the ball there

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

God, these people hate me!

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm actually pretty sure he's a nice dude

but i wish he’d play better
he does try though
more than you can say for some of the other guys

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wishes he were a bit taller

He wishes he were a baller

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps he WAS standing up.

I can never tell with that little guy.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Aug 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can never tell with that little guy troll.

Your eyes do not deceive you. I honestly felt the need to correct myself.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Aug 4, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It works for Stavinoha at the plate...

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more I watch this the more I laugh at Skip on the play

He runs to second, then just turns around and runs to the outfield. No chance of getting the ball.

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's like playing Atari Baseball

when you don’t quite have the hang of the controller.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually find Skip's reaction to be the most hilarious aspect of this entire sequence.

He looks as if he’s being controlled by a 5-year old playing Triple Play ’97 for PlayStation.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Aug 4, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

When he falls it doesn't hurt because he's already so close to the ground.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why is that little white 12 year old throwing the baseball around?

Did security not notice that he was running onto the field and stealing the ball?

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 4, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it did, in fact, happen. soooo.....

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't TLR want to start Craig at third?

I read at MLB.com that TLR thought about it but decided that the Astros were too righty-heavy for Craig’s first start at third in like a year. Also, he mentioned that Jaime was a groundballing lefty without a ton of sauce, so why put Craig there for the first time in what must feel like forever when everyone and thier mother would be hitting the ball to third?

by Jon S. on Aug 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that can't be right. la russa hates craig.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait just a minute!

this doesn’t fit with my preconceived notions

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we end this meme? Craig is the 5th batter every time he plays it seems :)

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Aug 4, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it goes to the idea of not putting craig in a position to fail

a way of protecting him, i think. he’s a rookie, one step at a time.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

two years ago he was told he couldn’t play 3rd base so they moved him to the outfield. Now they are thrusting him into playing 3rd. Doesn’t seem like a good idea at all

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

idea = deal

sorry, doesn’t seem like a good deal for freese.

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

good, bad, reason

those terms go out the window when the baseball gods drop a thermal nuclear device on the Cards 3B position. Reason is no longer exists in reference to the Cards and 3B. Want, like, best … all out the window. We played a midget with gator arms at 3B last night. He absolutely blows defensively but more so @ 3B than 2B. He played there because the manager for some unfathomable reason thought the midget would suck less defensively than Felipe Lopez @3B. We are looking for somebody to come in and just mildly suck. That’s all we are asking. Craig was an average defensive 3B in AA. He’s our best shot right now before we put Ruben Gotay on the 40 man roster.

by jjray on Aug 4, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Felipe didn't play because he a

had fluid drained from his knee. That was Tony’s unfathomable reason.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, TLR goes with Miles instead?

I don’t follow the logic.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cue Al

“Miles is in there for his defense.”

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using this logic...

Al needs to lead off the broadcast with something like “Aaron Miles is in there for his ability to stay on a major-league roster”.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or, maybe the ump just REALLY hates Brandon Phillips

Which, to be honest, isn’t that bad considering he is a Red :D.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Aug 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might be a little unfair to ask Craig to play 3rd

The cardinals moved him away for a reason. We are n the middle of a race. He has a chance to be an everyday player in the outfield. If he stuggles at third it may carry over to his offense and hurt his chances at being an everyday player. It could also be the best thing for him, if he shows he can stick there, but I trust or minor league staff enough that if they say he can’t they are probility correct.

I also think Mo might have kept him down in the minors over stavinoha for the purpose of him getting abs every day because the cardinals long term plans did not includ ludwick. Of course, this could just me trying to justify it. But it seems like the most logical reason.

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree.

Part of the reason the Cardinals are in the current state they are right now is because they are asking players to do things that they aren’t comfortable doing and that they don’t excel at.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

see but i also think some of it may have had to do with the fact that freese also played 3B and was just better.

although that doesn’t really explain why craig hasn’t played there this year.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they are expecting him to stay there... making the extra outfielder talk kinda pointless

we most likely still need a 3B. I think they just want to find a pleasant surprise and see if Craig can alleviate Lopez starting there all the time

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

shannon

was a combo rf and 3rd base, although he started in rf

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

he doesn't have the chance to be an everyday player in the OF because he's going to likely platoon with Jay.

And I agree that he probably is not a suitable longterm solution at 3B and that Luhnow and company were correct in their assessment that he’s not good enough the play there, full time, in the majors.

Nevertheless, emergencies sometimes call for emergency measures. And MIles playing 3B is an emergency needing resolution. Craig may not be a “major league 3B”; but neither is Miles.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

brian barden?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

is he available?

i’d rather stick with craig or gotay anyway. the dud can’t hit

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

but if we don’t get a player there, we will be/or should be bunted to death

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? Why not just bring Gotay up?

I’d rather take Gotay’s D and on-base ability than Barden’s D… that’s about all he’s got, so I’ll stop there with Barden.

Padres' RFL for GG!

by stxcardsfan on Aug 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue is that Miles is so bad that we simply can't have him be at 3B

There really isn’t another option to back up Lopez—-that MoTLR are going to consider seeing as how Gotay is actually playing 3B in Memphis and is a better hitter than Miles, but that’s just what they’d be expecting..

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

silently?

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the good: this season is starting to feel kinda like '06

the bad: I thought this year would be a walk through the park/nl central

the ugly: I think we all know what the ugly is… shitty players taking up roster spots, and the unrelenting DL

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Where's Scott Spiezio?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

A-Rod

just hit #600. Thank god, maybe we won’t have to hear about it anymore.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

seriously, I was getting sick of that dumb storyline

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

just in time for the Favre insanity to begin eh?

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

To your point...
Brett Favre told ESPN’s Ed Werder in Hattiesburg, Miss., on Wednesday that he has not made any decision about returning to play for the Minnesota Vikings this season and says he will play if healthy.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

what an attention whore

seriously

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did he send you

a pic of his junk, too?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what ESPN will do!?!

Brett Favre retirement or A-Rod’s 600th.

CHOICES, CHOICES!

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

surely you mean

DECISIONS DECISIONS

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

well played mauer

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will be certain Favre is retired when I see him buried.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they could have A-Roid hit baseballs at a target in the outfield...

With “Stay” on one and “Go” on the other…until Aroid hits one and decided for Favre.

Talk about orgasms in Bristol…

by RollBirdsRoll on Aug 4, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it'll be the football

where have you been

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this won't happen...BUT for fun...

Would you make this trade?

Cardinals miss playoffs in 2010, but as a reward, LaRussa retires

by hockeyno93 on Aug 4, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

...No

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I should elaborate

Making the playoffs increases revenue. Increasing revenue means financial flexibility in all sectors of the front office. Increasing financial flexibility means we are more likely to sign Albert Pujols AND get him a little bit of help

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

getting rid of LaRussa gives us a better chance to FIELD a better team around him

Cards have the players…LaRussa won’t play them (see: Craig, Allen 3B until 2008)

by hockeyno93 on Aug 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying that you'll give up a potential $25 million in playoff revenue

So that we can fire a manager, who is worth +/- 3 wins MAX, who is likely to retire within the next 2 or 3 years anyways?

Okay buddy

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

how can la russa play a guy who isn't on the roster? not much he can do about that.

as has been said…craig has gotten a lot of playing time when he is on the 25-man. i don’t think la russa is the problem.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron miles playing 3B last night, while Craig plays in RF?

Cards lineup should be going forward: Lopez (2B), Jay (RF), Pujols (1B), Holliday (LF), Rasmus (CF), Craig (3B), Molina ©, Ryan (SS), Pitcher……….end of story. But it won’t be….sigh…

by hockeyno93 on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was some discussion of this elsewhere in the thread, but

TLR wanted to play craig at 3b, but decided not to start him there in his first game at 3b in two years because houston is a heavy RH hitting team and jaime induces a lot of ground balls to the left side of the IF

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that

TLR actually has a thought process to his decision making? He doesn’t do thing to piss off the fan base just because he can? Blasphemy.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, guys,

check this out

Molina (­C)

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is this witchcraft?

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i could teach you

but i’d have to charge (­TM)

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

whoops, i do it again!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that, did I?

Look at the Twins and the Phillies… They’ve both DRASTICALLY increased payroll over the last few years because they consistently made the playoffs

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals have made the playoffs what like 7 out of the last 10 seasons?

Cardinals have played more playoff games than any NL team i believe…doesn’t that account for anything?

by hockeyno93 on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

...Uh, yeah. That's why we've been able to have $90+ million payrolls

So we need to KEEP making the playoffs to maintain or exceed that

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless of the added revenue

Losing Tony is not worth missing the playoffs. It has been said on this site many times that the playoffs are a crapshoot and we have as good a top of the rotation as anybody, hands down IMO.

That being said, we can at least trust TLR to put our best players on the field come playoff time. Right??

Remember when we crawled into the 06 playoffs and then put out Good Lineup: yadi, apu, belly, eck, rolen, edmonds , and um dunc and juan? Felt pretty good.

by No Way Down on Aug 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, I don't think TLR will be back, regardless.

I think he’ll be shown the door if the Cardinals don’t make it to the NLCS.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

No way tony gets fired. I dont think hes gonna retire eithed esp with Pujols here….

It may be unlikely but hopefulky he gets lured somewhere else

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They may spin it so that it doesn't read as him being fired...maybe "mutually parting ways"...

but behind the scenes there will be some discussions on what is best for the club and why the club failed to produce.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, it is public knowledge that TLR has had his most difficult time in quite awhile

managing this team. And how much is this team going to change next year, personnel-wise. If he is being tuned out now, why would it be different next year?

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a chance of him being shown the door

they may encourage him to move on but the way the FO coddles him (see the roster), it’ll be TLR’s decision. They don’t have the stones to fire him

by kalmavet on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

also that would mean DD is walking with him

TLR will be here until he decides he doesn’t want to be here

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true on the Duncan piece.

He has been forthcoming with the information that he would be willing to coach if TLR was not the manager.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

when?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd appreciate that

i know he doesn’t want to manage but i thought he’d go with tlr

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was something about them not being a "package deal"

i believe that it was during the Chris Duncan debacle

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is from a Joe Strauss chat.
Joe Strauss: My information is that Duncan would be willing to stay post-TLR depending on who became the next manager. Obviously, most managers would demand the ability to name their own coaching staff. Oquendo and Terry Pendleton will be mentioned whenever TLR leaves. Jim Riggleman would also have allure here if he and the Nationals parted ways. I wonder if current ownership would be open to hiring anyone without prior managerial experience in the major leagues. Regardless of your opinion, TLR will be a tough act to follow.

It was also mentioned in either a KSDK or FSMW game broadcast.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, this also appeared in the same chat.
HeyLady: My husband and I are big fans of Ryan Ludwick. We are able to see almost all Cards games on FSMW so we consider ourselves lucky. Please tell me he isn’t going to be traded away for a pitcher…..but don’t color the truth either. I’d rather know than be caught off-guard. Thanks for the chance to ask questions and hopefully get answers.

Joe Strauss: I don’t see it happening.

Sigh.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

heh.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

I didn’t see it happening either

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

hm

i’ll take this with a grain of salt considering the source
but i do hope he sticks around even if tlr doesn’t
thanks for fishing this out

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

from what i have heard/understand

duncan’s hand is in game planning whereas marty mason is the mechanics guy. I’m not at all saying that I want Duncan gone, but I am curious to know what would happen if he did.

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't say this often

But this is a stupid, uninformed decision

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're a knee jerk reaction

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

BURRRNNNN!

Incineration! You are the insult master!

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

the context here is 2 ugly losses to Houston, yesterday’s being the worst loss of the year…

by kalmavet on Aug 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't mind yesterday's loss as much as some

recent come from behind losses
at least yesterday we knew we were going to lose so pretty much after we saw the lineup, or by the middle of the 1st at the latest

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah Monday's hurt worse to me

but to some 18-4 is infuriating, so all I’m saying is that probably contributes to the knee-jerk reactions about getting rid of TLR being better than making the playoffs

by kalmavet on Aug 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that the game revealed Jaime to be wearing down.

He only lasted 5 innings and 8 runs were scored, but only 4 of the runs were earned. If Aaron Miles is not the third baseman, that could have been a much different game.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Earned/unearned runs is kind of bullshit

If you look at the great pitchers, they don’t allow many unearned runs either. They pitch around them

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, it is.

But, giving extra outs to an MLB team is only asking for trouble. That was my point.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe where you draw the line is arbitrary,

but i wouldnt call it bullshit. you could argue that a great pitcher doesnt need to rely on defense much, and that thus a great pitcher must have a high k/9 and low bb/9 rate, which is true and all. but last night was a pretty extreme case of having a really bad defense fail you. maybe 98/99 pedro would have worked around it, but pretty much any pitcher would have had issues with it i believe.

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's what FIP and such tries to eliminate

FIP is basically what ERA would look like if you assumed that defense has an impact outside of just blatant errors.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 4, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i see.

im almost sure i have asked you this before, but xFIP also considers park and league adjustments??

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And normalizes HR/FB

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

is there anything it doesn't do?!

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mow my yard.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

your mom?

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It did last night, Trebek!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burt Reynolds hat ftw.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Aug 4, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, that's not Burt Reynolds.

It’s only Turd Ferguson….

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Aug 4, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just FIP with normalized HRs

Instead of K, BB, and HR it’s K, BB, and would-be HR based on the actual pitcher’s fly ball percentage and their league’s average HR/FB ratio. So it’s park-neutral via normalizing the only park-related component, and league-adjusted by using the league’s HR/FB ratio.

by astrostl on Aug 4, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i count five outs that the defense didn't give jamie

Miles had the missed DP into RF for 2

Miles had the miss DP force out at first for 1. (and since he didn’t get the lead runner the DP was not in order and there was a running in scoring position)

Throw from skip that went to the right of AP. Not sure whose fault because at that point I wasn’t paying attention. For 1

Colby’s awesome throw to the plate that Yadi dropped 1.

5 more outs for Jaime. that’s a lot to ask a pitcher to make up. Throw in the heat factor, i’m not surprised he looked worn out by the 4th.

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow. i just can't believe that.

i’ve disliked players and coaches and manager decisions, but you’re rooting for the TEAM. i mean, really, who cares what TLR does if we WIN?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's no way

that my dislike for TLR overshadows my desire for the chance at a championship. I realize this team is pretty flawed but with our rotation, just get in and see what happens. TLR needs to go, but I need to see the Cards in the playoffs much more so

by kalmavet on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm walking a fine line between reason and insanity.....

I’ve gone back and forth on this a ton….a few more Miles starts and I think I will go insane

by hockeyno93 on Aug 4, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

we all will, probably.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR

Is a SABR hostile manager who makes many decisions based on provably irrelevant factors (matchups, almost always SSS) and who seems to make other decisions based on his relationships with players (not on-field performance or potential). He also seems marginally able work well with young players, critically damaging the strategy the team needs to be able to pay its superstars while maintaining a budget. And, he plays favorites. Other decisions, as far as I can tell, are made by voodoo. I really have no explanation for some of the stuff he does. This is a SABR-friendly blog, so it is not surprising that he annoys the hell out of us.

But, there are many, many, worse options that we could have as manager. People that keep on getting jobs in the major leagues. Would you really want Buck Showalter? There’s a micro-manager for you. What about Sweet Lou? I won’t dwell on Dusty Baker….

This morning I changed my sig to “DFA Miles or fire TLR,” and then changed it back. I don’t want to be as negative as that toward someone I genuinely hope succeeds—if he wins, we win. But I also thought of some of the alternatives. In many cases, it is better the devil you know.

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Aug 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

why don't we hire you? or any of the other contributors to this site?

I just want normal. Follow 3 rules:

1. You play the best guys you have, giving them an occasional rest day here and there.

2. If a right handed reliever strikes out the first two guys he faces, he shouldn’t be lifted for a left handed reliever because a lefty is coming up. Enough of this match up garbage.

3. Don’t have an attitude of “I know more about baseball than anyone else in the World” and actually smile….every once in awhile.

by hockeyno93 on Aug 4, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

"the best guys you have"

meaning a steady 8 guys….not 325 different line ups for 162 games

by hockeyno93 on Aug 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

2. If a right handed reliever strikes out the first two guys he faces, he shouldn’t be lifted for a left handed reliever because a lefty is coming up. Enough of this match up garbage.

Every manager does this. And then when he doesn’t and motte gets hit. We complain about leaving him in too long.

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The roster tinkering did not bother me as much the years we won 100 games

The thing that makes it so frustrating this year is that the bench absolutely, totally, sucks. Almost all of them are replacement level, or below (counting Jay as a starter at this point). But, they get a lot of playing time because the manager “just believes” in playing the bench.

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Aug 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you want tony to leave

the best chance is to win the world series

see: dick vermeil

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 4, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

or he'd decide to stay

see: tony la russa

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 4, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope the Reds loose to the Pirates.

….i know its very unlikely but if they do and we win tonight it would be huge to make it out of this nightmare of a series in first.

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

2-1 cincy

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

so i was hearing on the radio that votto's wrist is bum

and that cabrera is out with injury… I think that its going to be interesting to see how they fare

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it bad that i am secretly hoping votto's wrist is toast?

i did not wish an injury on a player. i merely wished that a pre-existing injury is season-ending.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

FFFFUUUUU

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

How well versed on 4chan memes are you?

I’ve been tinkering with this idea in my head for a few days on “internet arbitrage” and how people will take a meme from one site, and take it to another site to accrue “board capital” for a profit.

Like I frequent a board that’s probably one degree away from 4chan, which I don’t browse. 4chan memes make their way over to my board by people who want to gain board notoriety, and then I post it on VEB or Facebook so I look clever and witty

…I am looking wayyyyyyyy too deep into this. Fuck my Economics background

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

It's a giant internet community, and basically every meme on VEB originates from there

Any meme anywhere on the internet, really…

The haters gonna hate stuff
The FFFUUUUUUUUUUU stuff
Almost all gifs

…Except for eelcats. That I can safely say is VEB’s own

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

with a hearty nod toward the Snakepit.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

not every meme.

the meme police will get you now.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 4, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So... you?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell no

there’s a reason I’m hiding in the basement.

…by the way, if you see a white car, don’t turn around and don’t make eye contact.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 4, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the meme police

they live inside of my head.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Aug 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is the theme of the community

most of the memes i consider to be veb memes did probably start here, though…right?

hi guys in the truck?
the good reporter?
unicorns?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and --wick

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you're right

I meant more of the picture-related memes, I suppose

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay whew

i was actually worried. like i felt cheated or something. FFFFUUUU and haters gotta hate, i knew those didn’t come from here.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Fist

a VEB meme?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

OKAY FINE LET'S JUST FOCUS ON MY PSEUDOINTELLECTUAL POINT PLEASE

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm, that came off more serious than I intended

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha i thought it was funny

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has to be all about you, doesn't it?

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And major kudos

for using an 18 letter word. Very well done.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically it's hyphened

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

needs moar commas.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for 4chan

and arbitrage as applied to internet points capital, good stuff

by jeff_abs on Aug 4, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll admit

guilty as charged.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Aug 4, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

usually its bad to wish injury on anybody

although seeing starlin castro get nailed a couple sundays ago wasn’t the worst thing

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't wish injury on votto

i just wish the loss of votto on that team

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I'm not giving up the division yet but are we legit contenders for the wild card?

on the surface we don’t seem as good as the other teams in the WC race, BUT does their being in much better divisions help our cause enough to cover the deficiencies?

Ok so maybe now is a bad time since we’re not exactly taking advantage of Houston.

by kalmavet on Aug 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I asked Kary Booher

about Matt Carpenter last night, which he kindly answered:

He’s interesting. But doesn’t have great power, needs work defensively

Drag Morgan Ensberg out of retirement?

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Aug 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree on the power.

I’ve seen a little of Carpenter play third, and I thought he looked good. However, Booher sees him far more than I do, so I’ll defer to his opinion. I still love the kid and his on-base skills, though.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can he play 2b?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 4, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno.

I’d be willing to give it a shot, though.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 4, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that bringing up

Carpenter is worth a shot. He has raked in over 200+ AB’s in AA. Has to be better than Gotay. Has to be better than Miles. If they can catch lightning in a bottle, he is clearly the best internal option (if, in fact, Craig can’t play the position).

by ckeiner on Aug 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

not me

200 at-bats doesn’t mean crap…..

and everybody is better than Miles… he can in fact be worse than Gotay and his .400 OBP and probably is

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 4, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"wavemaster j" (hurl)

will have a live chat session
link
i plan on checking when it’s done to see what kind of absurd superlatives the strauss was called today (more hurl)

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Motte Injury

Motte has an AC sprain, according to the P-D. I defer to hazel.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

How does a pitcher sprain his AC joint?

I swear that only happens when you land on your shoulder (think of say Sam Bradford)

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

See below

It’s generally a dislocation injury due to direct trauma.

I guess a pitcher could stretch it open, but I’m hard pressed to see how.

Maybe he hurt it in the Boog pound fest?

by thepainguy on Aug 4, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thas what I be sayin

That doesn’t really add up…

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Washing his truck.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing football with his truck?

Seriously, how does a pitcher get this injury?

Generally you only see it in football players who take a helmet in just the right place just below the shoulder pads.

by thepainguy on Aug 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just screams

That he’s going to have to get Mulderputation surgery.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

my wife seperated her AC joint when she fell during a seizure

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Aug 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is Motte we're talking about.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Motte gives seizures, doesn't get them.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen him between pitches?

Dude is crazy.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking in tongues perhaps?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only the glove knows.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he gave his glove a seizure.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parseltongue?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's my amatuer fear mongering

from this site regarding AC injuries

There are some surgeons who will recommend shoulder surgery for serious athletes, especially those who are throwing athletes, like baseball pitchers.

by _pistol_ on Aug 4, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two things…
First, I heard/read somewhere that Tyler Greene was going down to Memphis last week until he told the Cardinals he was hurt, prompting he trip to the DL. The implication was either he hadn’t told the staff he was playing hurt before, or he told them he was hurt to stop them from sending him to Memphis. Alledgedly his agent was involved. Either way, doghouse, right ?

Second, what was is our runs per game this year and last year pre-Holiday averaged together ? That’s our offense imo…

by knifecakes on Aug 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad....he would be the best option at 3b right now....

Was his 15 day DL stint retroactive at all? It seemed like he hadnt played for a few days up until being DLd.

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this...

and by going to the DL(if he was infact not hurt) That means we can’t bring him up if we DL someone else.

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't blame him

He makes like 36K a year in Memphis and like 450K in Saint Louis. A two week check is a big deal.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 4, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

when you're dealing with money and contracts and employer/employee regulations

it’s best to involve your agent and the GM. this is business; not the local rec league.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's not suspicious

I think he probably makes more in 2 weeks than he would all year at Memphis. It’s logical.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Demetri Martin ends the discussion.

Dammit I’m mad.
Evil is a deed as I live.
God, am I reviled? I rise, my bed on a sun, I melt.
To be not one man emanating is sad. I piss.
Alas, it is so late. Who stops to help?
Man, it is hot. I’m in it. I tell.
I am not a devil. I level “Mad Dog”.
Ah, say burning is, as a deified gulp,
In my halo of a mired rum tin.
I erase many men. Oh, to be man, a sin.
Is evil in a clam? In a trap?
No. It is open. On it I was stuck.
Rats peed on hope. Elsewhere dips a web.
Be still if I fill its ebb.
Ew, a spider… eh?
We sleep. Oh no!
Deep, stark cuts saw it in one position.
Part animal, can I live? Sin is a name.
Both, one… my names are in it.
Murder? I’m a fool.
A hymn I plug, deified as a sign in ruby ash,
A Goddam level I lived at.
On mail let it in. I’m it.
Oh, sit in ample hot spots. Oh wet!
A loss it is alas (sip). I’d assign it a name.
Name not one bottle minus an ode by me:
“Sir, I deliver. I’m a dog”
Evil is a deed as I live.
Dammit I’m mad.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

...

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you've been out in the CenTex sun too much today.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

can i get this on a shirt?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's being sold

by the same people who do the Three Wolves t-shirts.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 4, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

it'll fit right into my collection!

if only they’d come out with a “Three A-Rods Howling at the Moon” design

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if this was publicized yet or not, regarding Nate Robertson...
The Cardinals must promote Robertson by Aug. 23 or he can opt out of his contract.

Per Strauss.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

can he get out lefties?

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, at least we know he can play 2B.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just posted a fanpage analysis of Boog's swing

I see something that can be fixed with a drill that Pujols does.

by thepainguy on Aug 4, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

ERA cut in half.

…I’ll go now.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 4, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a palindrome

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not

a haiku
either

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just googled Palindrome

I thought it was just some stupid nickname. I didn’t even realize it was a real word. Let alone it’s meaning.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

links.

http://phrontistery.info/ihlstart.html
http://www.etymonline.com/

sites are a bit overloaded with yellow.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

TMBG

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds up 9-1.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I gotta take off again

a question to gnaw on…
How many of the Play Like a Cardinal spots have been rendered unusable, jinxed, or awkward during the season? This year, or in the last few years?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

What use do we have for someone who can't even sustain a .300 BA anymore?

I wish we had kept the Browns instead.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Aug 4, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too much fluctuation!

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Aug 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

I’ll bet you $300 that he bats .300 or over this season

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will it be

a time for mourning if albert bats below .300 for the season?

Will it be considered an embarrassment if the yanks don’t win the division? I would think that with their payroll, being the wild card would be considered a disappointment. What do you think?

by No Way Down on Aug 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'd be proud to win the Series from the wild card position.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no stigma attached to being the Wild Card.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think its time for this to end

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

quitters

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

MooCow is really just spamming at this point

We’re all impressed with your cut-and-paste skills, MooCow, really.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

wet blanket

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 5, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

for some perspective

the browns are 33 and 73 right now. Yes, that’s .311.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

by Vindicator9000 on Aug 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's their team BA, right?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely.

We could even have kept Brownie the Elf as our mascot and had midgets pinch hitting…

wait…

Miles.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Aug 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their talent level is far, far above .311, though.

It’s really kind of sad. They have a nice group of young talent that almost (almost) reminds me of the Rays a few years back, but…. just can’t put it together.

Being in same division as the Rays, Red Sox, Yankees, and slugging Jays probably doesn’t help matters, though. Lol imbalanced schedule.

by Voxx on Aug 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the Mariners! Kind of!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel as though their touted young pitching...

will be shell-shocked after 2-3 years of losing consistently to the Yanks/Red Sox/Rays to the point of no return.

Also, I think a few of their position players have been over hyped…namely Jones, Adam and Wieters, Oscar Mayer.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Aug 4, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

we better rescue matusz

by trading for him ASAP!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take

Matusz and Tillman as our 4-5. No problems.

by Voxx on Aug 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

oscar mayer?

you fuckin’ kidding me?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we get this guy, too?

the nickname/meme possibilities are endless!

we could call him weinermobile!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or...we could just call him

Oscar Mayer Wieters.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

so arod became the youngest person to 600 HRs

at 35 years, 8 days. Pujols will be 35 years, 8 days on January 24, 2015, which means he has the rest of this season, and 2011-2014 to hit 208 homeruns. at one point, i thought it was totally possible for pujols to get to 600 before arod. but i did some math, and assuming he hits 15 more dingers this season, he would have to average 48.25 dingers/season for the next four seasons to beat arod. so probably not.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Arod had aboot a year head start on Albert.

And those 15 or so seasons on the juice….But we can just play MSM and forget aboot that.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS WAS NOT A PALINDROME

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone seen a lineup for tonight yet?

I really hope Craig at 3rd….or id settle for lopex at this point, although it is a lefty so that means we are almost for sure gonns be stuck with Miles one way or another

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He's spent. He went an inning last night.

I wish that was true.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

We Really Need to See.....

…Craig at 3rd 7 Jay in RF

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

My ideal lineup for today:

Lopez 2B
Jay RF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Rasmus CF
Craig 3B
Molina C
Pitcher
Ryan SS

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

how serious is Lopezs injury though?

Thats def the lineup everyone wants, but just like last night when everyome was happy Craig wax up and batting 5th, Tony usually offsets it with an equally bad lineup choice. Either Miles at 2nd of Winn (since hes a switch hitter of course, and “you cant bury guys on the bench”) playing in the OF over Jay or Rasmus…

Come to.think of it Colby has played a few games in a row so Tony will probably sit him

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 4:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Again I say there is no reason to play Lopez at 2B

Craig is undoubtedly a really bad 3B, they moved him off the position for a reason and he hasn’t really played there much in over a year. I would WAG that he’s probably -15 per 150 games right now.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Lopez is healthy enough to play...

Just put him at 3rd and Schu at 2b. I only want Craig playing 3rd if the alternative is Miles.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never had it done, but draining fluid off a knee doesn't sound healthy to me.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as it's not blood

its not usually a huge, huge deal. Although we usually tell people to take it easy for a couple of days after having it done though, so I don’t know how quick Lopez will be back.

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 4, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when Lopez was the one guy that was injured

Early in the year and we were all thinking how nice it would be to get him back and have a backup IF?

How stuff changes over the course of a season….now we are hoping he is healthy enough to play because we are a game behind the Reds and are only other 3rd base options are aaron miles and allen craig.

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I injured my knee playing rubgy and had to have it drained once...

Stuck a big-ass gauge needle in my joint and yanked on the plunger. It wasn’t pleasant. I didn’t do anything for a couple of days and it was fine. I don’t think I could have, say, played a baseball game on it the next day, but it wouldn’t have occurred to me to try so I really don’t know. Besides, the reason why I needed it drained was because I had twisted it, so my knee was fucked up regardless of the draining procedure.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with it. Honestly, over the course of the season, I don't think it makes too much of a difference

So I default to what I know Tony is going to do

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

boog's line in the last 28 days:

.310/.354/.345 with only 5 Ks in 67 PAs. also a .327 BABIP, which isn’t too lucky.

i know its still a SSS but he’s cut his K rate in half over the last month.

promising, at least.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The screen name may be safe.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw shit I love statistics that support players that I do not hate

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, but nfw

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 4, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samuel to Memphis.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

not quite....

I’m sure you can make it work, though.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't tempt him.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hawkins just got tossed for hitting Soriano. Cubs blowing game open.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

And now Macha tossed, as a traditional part of baseball kabuki.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Taylor swift should have rethought

her decision to jump on the Got Milk ad campaign.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

hahahahahahaha

I can’t f’ing stand her, so that is hilarious to me.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Useless campaign

I thought the other Got Milk ads (Hell is cookies and no milk) was much more effective.

by thepainguy on Aug 4, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tonight's Lineup

Lopez 3B
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Craig RF
Molina C
Ryan SS
Carpenter P
Miles 2B

by bmorgan on Aug 4, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

wOBA of .283

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not hitting

That’s wOBAing. He’s hitting .300 damnit!

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's Tony's guy.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happ is a lefty, right?

We’re powerless against lefties. Powerless, I say!
We need Aaron Miles in this lineup.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't believe the publicity.

It’ll take more than Mighty Mouse to save the day.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Courtesy subject line

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 4, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can someone photoshop a goatee and a Cards' hat on this bad boy?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 4, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bat righty

And I play shortstop for my softball team. I’m pretty sure TLR should be starting me at second tonight.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

CURSE YOU AARON MILES

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might as well have let Skippy bat.

Even with a lefty pitching, that’s giving up too much on D. Skippy could lay down a bunt if nothing else.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I would be more than happy with that lineup

With skip batting 9th. Or even.skip 6th, yadi, carp, boog

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Aaron Miles is an accomplished bunter

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

very

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony's genius at work.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 4, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still wouldn't put it past him

it is Aaron Miles on D that we’re talking about

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember a single time all year we've put our best team on the field.

I mean, it had to have happened by chance, right? Like TLR continually rolling Chris Duncan out to LF last year, the only way Mo can fix the MIles issue is by removing him from the roster.

Unfortunately, Mo appears to be the dipshit who put him on the roster.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I cannot remember ever seeing it lately.

Probably a few times early in the season, when we were actually winning games….before we had guys like Winn and Miles on the team to even put in the lineup.

Although I do remember Mather hitting leadoff one game…

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 5:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

a lot of that is due to injury really.

freese has been out a long time, and now the rest of the season, and ludwick was hurt earlier. we had a lot of good lineups early in the year.

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not even talking about the best team possible given the roster...

I’m talking about the best team possible at any current time. So basically, excluding any lineup where Larue, Winn, Stav or Miles starts, or where Pujols, Holliday, Yadi, Rasmus sat, or where Schu started at 2B against a LHP over Lopez when Freese was healthy, etc. etc.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which since probably the start of June

Would be almost impossible to find. TLR usually starts at least one bench player each game. Throw out all games with any one of tnese guys in it (miles,larue,winn,stav) or where one of the regulars Luddy,AP,Holliday,etc. sat for one of the youngsters and I really doubt your left with any more than a few games.

by mick311 on Aug 4, 2010 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

as sad as it is,

is there really anyone we could bring up that is really much better than miles? perhaps gotay, but his MLEs are not that pretty really, and i dont think his defense is that good either ( i may be wrong there though ). sadly, we really dont have anywhere else to go. :(

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotay...

is in his prime, has not been a butcher in the field according to minor-league defense numbers, and has a .400OBP and +.800 OPS in AAA the last two years.

I’ll take my chances he’s better than Miles.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotay's MLE

is .230/.331/.337, which is pretty horrendous, though, to be fair, miles currently has .300/.312/.339. so, i guess i would say gotay is better as he clearly relies much less on BA to boost his OBP, and miles is almost surely gonna see a drop in his numbers. that said, they both suck. maybe gotay has better defense, and if he does, then he definitely should be here instead. has anyone seen gotay in person? i honestly can’t imagine he has less range than miles.

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't need to look at Gotay's MLE so much

He’s got +800 PAs in the majors already, his numbers in the majors are better than that MLE (though not significantly), and his OBP skills are something that he’s improved over the last two years (which would improve his numbers). He’s also a switch hitter, so Miles gets no benefit over him there.

I’m certainly no Gotay fanboy, but I’m confident he’d be an improvement over MIles, especially at 3b.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Opening Day?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just guessing,

so I had to go look it up. Freese started and hit eighth. Oh, and Brendan Ryan batted second.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 4, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i remember our high hopes for boog.

it makes me sad.

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, that was, or at least was pretty close to our best lineup

Skip and Ryan hadn’t yet proved they were going to suck offensively yet (though Lopez was a better hitter than Skip, it was probably against a RHP so starting Skip was defensible).

It’s just a very uncommon occurrence for the Cards to put their best lineup on the field.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 4, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

all i want for next year is a

.380 OBP middle infielder to bat lead off.

Miles, in at third for his defense

by Evilfrog on Aug 4, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least lopex is okay...in theory

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Happ

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so I don't really see how Tony could have made a better lineup

I guess putting Craig at third and Jay in right? At least Miles is better against lefties than Schumaker.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember August of 2004?

The beer flowed like wine and the women flocked like Salmon to Capistrano and the Cards won games at will…I miss those days.

by Harknights on Aug 4, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ah...Reggie Sanders....Edgar Renteria...Good version of Edmonds and Rolen...

a young Albert Pujols…damn that was a fun year.

'Hold my stones!'
Fire Tony LaRussa

by Heisenberg on Aug 4, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

See the great thing about memory

is it’s faulty.

In my mind they won every game in august and finished with 105 wins. they were down to the Stros but Pujols hit a game winning HR off Lidge to get to game 7. In game 7 Yadi hit a HR in the 9th and Wainer got the save to send us to the WS where we swept the Tigers.

and I don’t want to hear anything else.

by Harknights on Aug 4, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henceforth I shall remember it this way, too.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone needs to see this

catch.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

...Holy shit

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yah, that was pretty nice

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...their logo is the same as the Reds...

not cool…

(but nice catch)

'Hold my stones!'
Fire Tony LaRussa

by Heisenberg on Aug 4, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And against my team, too.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

which trade was olney referencing?

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most recent one.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he is serious,

is he then the only talking head who was a big fan? i know many thought it was a fine deal, and some flat out hated it, but apparently i missed the love.

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were others, but AFAIK Olney was the only one you might expect to know better.

But then again he covered the Pads for a few years.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, did he essentially

think more highly of the prospects san diego gave up than others did?

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you implying that Olney thinks

before crap spews out of his mouth? If so, I disagree.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I was implying that he may be a Pod Person, so we was trying to

cover the team’s highway robbery by asserting that the trade was good for the Cards.

I LOVE this trade for the St. Louis Cardinals! -- Buster Olney.

by vico on Aug 4, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't speak Japanese but

at the end, did they compare it to an Ichiro-catch, then say, no, that’s an Olympic catch?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 4, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck you

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH SHIT my boss is taking me down to batting practice in 30 minutes

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

3.24 runs THAT, VEP

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the most likely outcome

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you get hit......

otherwise have a great time.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait actually

It’s the Mariners, so just challenge the starters. You’ll still probably win.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is grade 1 good or bad?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Nevrmind.....

upon further reading, it’s the best case scenario.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better

I think someone said he’d actually be able to pitch in a few days, but they needed the bullpen help so they just DLed him and called up Palindrome (I’m making it stick goddammit)

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good

But a pitcher spraining his AC Joint is still fishy as can be.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the BOB go oft injured pitchers..what about

3b? Mike Lowell? cough

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Aug 4, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

If you guys think Stav is a chair

Mike Lowell is probably less mobile than a chair at this point. I don’t know what’s less mobile than something that’s totally immobile, but Lowell is like that.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youk is out for the year,

Sox won’t get rid of Lowell.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

what the hell?

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i knew he was hurt, didnt know how bad

ouch, that injury hurts

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch, but not with Johnny Mo!

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

FESPN says Lowell's been put on waivers

via MLBTR

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Aug 4, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The money quote
If Youkilis returns to form and David Ortiz and Adrian Beltre are still healthy and hitting, the Red Sox could consider dealing Lowell.

I don’t think they knew the extent of the injury. I stand by my speculation.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blue Jays put Vernon Wells on waivers

Nationals put Adam Dunn on waivers

Everyone goes on waivers, it literally doesn’t mean anything.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Lowrie anyway

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Aug 4, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Ruben Gotay’s line at Memphis is .271/.399/.412 — I see this and wonder why he isn’t up…

Turns out the ML equivalent of that line is only .230/.331/.337…

Well, that’s still probably better than Miles.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

i SO just wrote about this higher up. :(

has anyone seen gotay in person? what is his defense like?

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except, as shitty as that career line is, Miles is currently worse than at any point in his career

So he’s not even good enough for a .677 OPS (over a sufficient sample size)

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLE seems a little harse

He seems to have good plate discipline. I would think he would be good for at least .350 OBP

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

How accurate are MLEs?

Like if you took a sample of 1000 players in year X in AAA and compared their MLEs to year x+1, how close, on average, would the MLE be?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a ridiculous notion

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 4, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's gonna do it.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Aug 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that'd be a little too simple

I think the point is that for the purpose of projection, someone hitting .271/.399/.412 in the PCL is the same as someone hitting .230/.331/.337 in the big leagues. Hitting for a given line in the big leagues in a single year is obviously not as predictive as we would like it to be.

Also, the no-power/high BB% combination in the minors doesn’t really translate all that well to the big leagues IMO, that said the zero “power”/low BB% skillset that Miles possesses is fucking worthless and Gotay almost certainly will be better. CHONE has him for .245/.358/.366 for what it’s worth.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 4, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha.

Red Sox put Papelbon on waivers and someone claimed him.

Methinks the Sawx will be pulling him back.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 4, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

It would be really funny if they just let the team have him, though.

There is no way is will be worth the ~$10MM he gets next year. His peripherals are down, and relievers just aren’t really worth that much anyway. With the Red Sox unlikely to make the playoffs, I think dumping him would be a defensible move. Granted, they have deeper pockets than most teams and can easily handle his contract, but it would make sense.

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Aug 4, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they could probably get better value back in a trade

Papelbon has been worth only .4 WAR this year, and most of his peripherals are career worsts. 4.29 xFIP? Sell Sell Sell.

FJM: Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Aug 4, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

they did.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

an idea

 MatthewHLeach If Steven Hill is not a catcher long-term, doesn’t it make sense at least to find out if he might be able to play 3B? Killing the TX Lg. 36 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 4, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Also ....

Great read as usual, Red.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

GAME TIME (almost)

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 4, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

GAME THREAD!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 4, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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