Top Five: Tony La Russa Clubhouse Rifts
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it's 4:45am where i am Dan
and i love the last part of UniStraussy’s latest column
Entering the series, La Russa responded to a question about the team’s roster strength by insisting, “We have enough.”
The last four games raised the question: Enough, exactly, for what?
apparently enough to piss away a very promising season Joe
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
i bet it is, why did you move out west?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
It's pretty sweet.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there, there.
the towels can be used for that, too.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd make sure it wasn't a used one though
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing we missed Strasburg
or we might be 6 games back.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
We lost the game he was supposed to pitch
Lopez at SS for 4 innings offset any gain in not facing Stevie
That was about the dumbest thing I've seen.
In what parallel universe, does it say that Lopez is a good trade off for Boog at short?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is after...
he washed out at third b/c of bad defense.
I just don’t understand why we can’t have:
C-Molina
1b-Pujols
2b-Lopez
SS-Boog
3b-Feliz
RF-Jay/Craig
CF-Rasmus
LF-Holliday
with a bench of Anderson, Jay/Craig, TGreene, Skip, and Winn.
Every day from now on, no drama.
Fire La Russa!
well... except for Yadi.
not every day.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, so you chose defense first.....
That means don’t bitch when that lineup only puts up 1 run.
It’s hard to put Skip on the bench when he has been hitting much better of late. But having Lopez, Boog, Feliz, and possibly Craig in the same lineup, day after day? No thanks. When you have so many guys that are playing so poorly, you just about have to try and get them AB’s in “best case scenarios”, and play the hot hand. I know, I know, some of you don’t believe in a hot bat. Fine. I do.
Greene cooked his own goose. Based on what he did, he may not even get called up on Sept 1.
What on the bench would produce more?
Skip isn’t the answer. And Craig would only be facing lefties so Jay would get the majority of the starts.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Skip would be better than Lopez vs. righties
After his disastrous start his BA is up to .271 (Lopez is .240). Skip’s hitting has been pretty good since the ASB.
Skip since the ASB
.316/.380/.408/.788
Much better.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And so that's enough to turn the offense around?
That’s going to improve our “1 run” offense?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I'm just saying he's been better since the ASB
When I said “Much better” I meant much better than he was doing earlier this year. I didn’t mean for it to sound like I was saying he was “much better” than Lopez vs righties.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez hasn't been helping the Cardinals
for a while now, but Tony seems to play him more the worse he plays
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 30, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
it may be a conflict of personalities in the clubhouse
but i pray greene gets called up and takes time away from miles
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
He's been with the Cardinals for 54 games
And has 104 PA. The Cardinals are basically giving a guy projected to be one of baseball’s very worst players ~2 PA a game. That’s scary.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
54 games out of the 129 he cud have played in...
again, only 104 PAs in 129 games. That’s not much.
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
He hasn't been in professional baseball, let alone on the Cardinals,
the entire season.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
yes he has....
…maybe not to your lofty standards, but at no point has he been unprofessional, like, say, Johnny Cueto. Please…
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
What does Johnny Cueto have to do with this?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The fuck?
Trolling again?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I've made an error here
He’s played 54 games for the Cards this season, but been with the team for longer than that. Still, Alxfritz’s point still holds. He’s not been with the team the whole season nor in MLB the whole season. So saying it’s 104 PA in 129 games isn’t any more accurate than my original comment.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
forgive me
I thought we beat Zimmerman. We just had two leads in the game, so I was thinking that was the game we won.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I could only pay so much attention to the last couple games. Since they were disastrous I didn't think much of it.
Then I logged onto VEB and discovered yet another La Russa-centered Shit-storm. This team has become such a nightmare.
No matter which theory you ascribe to the Tony quotes and actions regarding Rasmus, I don’t think there is really a satisfactory endpoint to it. If this is some bizarre “protection” of Rasmus, then why in the hell is Tony so terrible at talking about this stuff out loud? Why the sudden comparison to Jay as if we are talking either/or? If he really does think that Jay might make us more likely to win games the rest of the season with Colby healthy, then he probably needs one of those MRI scans to make sure there aren’t any tumors in there. If it was merely to “give him some time to chill” now that he’s healthy to get back into “game mode” or some other weird thing like that, why frame it in terms of pulling the ball too much and hitting to many homeruns, things that Jon Jay doesn’t do?
And of course there is probably a lot of overreacting going on by us, the fans. I couldn’t read the entirety of the aftermath thread, but I think it is reasonable to conclude that this is not good.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I agree. I'm tired of overreacting. And whatever it is, it's not good.
Although it was fun for a while to overreact. Colby/TLR has always been a bit of a muddle. Neither are perfect, and we really don’t know what is going on. But it seems to be something everyone has an opinion on. :)
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Yeah.
Although, I hope I’m not misunderstood… I was trying to say that, whether or not people overreact or make this into something it’s not, it is clear something “not good” is going on with TLR/Colby/the entire season. Overreactions aren’t good either, but I’m more concerned with the Colby situation, because clearly there is one.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
re Jay going the opposite way
I have no numbers to back it up, but my eye-ball tells me that when Jay hits the ball to left field it’s NOT because he goes with the pitch. It’s usually an accidental flare off his bat. Not as severe as Colby, maybe, but Jay IS a pull hitter. Over the long haul, I don’t see his “approach” being much different (less faulty) than Rasmus’.
That said, Colby DOES strike out too much; when he makes contact his bat is lively. And lastly, part of the reason for the Colby Ks, by no means all, but part, is that he routinely gets hosed by plate umpires, thus gets behind in the count too frequently.
Damn umpire match ups.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Just listened to Strauss on Bernie's show.
Apparently, the Colby-umpire matchup was one of the reasons given for his last minute lineup exit last night.
Does art imitate life, or is life imitating us?
You like to live dangerously, don't you?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
that's right, May the Forsch!....be with you....
i AM dangerous.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Don't confuse me, dammit.
The thought of there being two of you is frightening.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
only two pairs of knives.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
She's definitely lawyering it up
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yes, i did actual lawyer work this morning, hence my reply to this 2 hours later.
i will now add dronemc to my VEB lawyer list.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Jon Jay wOBA directionally
To Left: .471
To Center: .363
To Right: .409
So Jay is in fact spraying the ball around to all fields.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
What are Colby's numbers?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, I'm just pulling these from Fangraphs.
To Left: .254
To Center: .464
To Right: .620
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I didn't realize FG had that capability
So he has a .620 wOBA when he pulls the ball…and we want him to stop pulling the ball?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
fangraphs has some nice features under "splits" nowadays
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, honestly, it depends
If the amount he stands to gain by going to left exceeds the offense that he will forego by going to right less, then he should go the other way more, correct?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Also depends on how he's being pitched
and whether he can pull the ball away consistently for base hits and doubles, without sacrificing the plate coverage on the inside half that allows him to keep the ball inside fair and to square it up consistently.
He’s not a spray hitter, and he hits some big flies at times, so him trying to square the ball up the other way a la Wade Boggs or Tony Gwynn is just silly. He should be up there taking his rips unless he’s incapable of pulling the outside pitch for hits (or incapable of laying off of it). I remember that Mac used to stand on top of the plate and dare pitchers to throw the ball inside, because his hands were so quick that he could keep the ball inside fair while still pulling the ball on outside half for hits to left center.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Wasn't JimmyBaseball a pull-type hitter?
Lefty’s have that tendency, not all, but it seems like a majority like to pull hit.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert Pujols has also transformed into a heavy pull hitter
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
unfortunately, that's true.
Leaves him somewhat susceptible. Could that be why when he goes after O-pitches, he either swings and misses or hits weakly?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This happens to relatively every above average power hitter
late in their careers. Manny Ramirez is one glaring exception, but his power numbers have steadily declined, and I think not becoming a pull hitter might be part of the issue. Or it could be lack of steroids (kidding!)
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I remember multiple JED homers to left-center.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
In the MV3 years, yes......
he seemed to lose a little power the other way in the last few years with the Cards.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
But you never remember JEd
hammering line drives in the left-center gap or hitting line drive singles over the head of the SS, which is what I’m talking about, and what TLR preaches if “Men At Work” is to be believed.
IMO, I’d rather have Rasmus taking his swings with 2 strikes rather than choking up and trying to poke the ball to left field.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I agree with this, fourstick
When you can smash a ball into a gap or hitting a moonshot bomb on nearly any swing, there’s no reason to choke-and-poke.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true.
Edmonds would launch high fastballs over the left-center field wall, but I don’t recall many times where he choked up and took what the pitcher gave him. Nor would I want to see that from him. Same thing with Rasmus. Let him take his swings. The club is better off with his walking ability and power in the lineup walking and hitting homers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Right
Was Mark McGwire a better overall player from ‘86-’89 when he was choking and poking with 2 strikes…..
OR
Was he better in ‘96-’99 when he was gripping and ripping all the time while walking a lot more?
I’d say the latter, no matter what you think about steroids. I don’t think Mac would admit it, but I think TLR did as much as anyone to fuck him up mentally when he was younger because of his desire for everyone to “play the right way”.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
spray charts for busch in 2010
select all, then deselect groundouts and flyouts to decrease noise.
if you look at the hit distribution, i see 5 hits for colby in the left field area. jay’s hits are spread everywhere from line to line. i think that calling rasmus a pull hitter and saying jay uses all fields is accurate.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
That is accurate.
Jay has always been more of a slap hitter than Rasmus. Jay usually has a single in around 20% of his PA’s, which is almost exactly what he has done in St. Louis this season (with a lot of luck). That’s why he slugs in the mid-to-upper-.400’s, too.
Rasmus is more of a pull hitter, and typically has more power than Jay (perhaps, even likely, because of his pull tendancies). I think most people saw the potential for .500+ slugging percentage in him.
The thing that worries about TLR’s statements is that it seems to me that he is needlessly criticizing the type of hitter Rasmus is (a pull hitter) and encouraging him to change his entire approach to be more like Jay (a slappy hitter). To me, this makes no sense.
Also, just to ask because I haven’t sifted through yesterday’s post-game thread comments, Rasmus has a walk rate of 11.4% and Jay has a walk rate of 7.0%, so why would TLR cite to Jay’s ability to take a walk when criticizing Rasmus’s approach?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
and honestly, why on earth would you publicly compare two players on your own team in this way?
as a boss, as a parent, who would ever say “why don’t you do it like he does?” and in such a public way?
that seems calculated to engender resentment of the manager, engender conflict between jay and rasmus, and prevent any likelihood of actually changing how colby bats.
generally, i think constructive criticism of a player should be done in private. at worst, you’d say “we’re looking at getting colby to hit to all fields. he has a lot of success pulling the ball, but in the long term i’d rather see him use all fields.” not this “why can’t you be more like your brother” shit.
just terrible management of your players as people. if my boss did this to me in front of my co-workers, i’d be pissed, even if it was otherwise fair. in front of major media?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 30, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he's always doing that type of crap and I'm totally fed up with it
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a fair criticism.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it does seem like tony has been calling people out in subtle ways more often this year
the comment about not playing boog because he wanted to field a winning team was also shitty.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
When the Cardinals win, it's his doing.
When the Cardinals lose, it is the players’ faults.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that's not even true
he doesn’t take credit for wins, always gives it to the players
he has, however, taken the blame for lost games head on
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
that is true.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Tony = drama
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Best Lead Actor in a Drama Series
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
by nomar34 on Aug 30, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That's a rec.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
inspirational thoughts by CJ Beatty
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Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
TLR is wearing very thin on me.
The wearing started with him running Rolen out of town. I’m tired of him out-thinking himself. I’m tired of the overmanaging. I’m tired of Aaron Miles. I’m tired of Pedro Feliz. I’m tired of Skip Schumaker in right field. I’m tired of Mike MacDougal. I’m tired of relief pitchers batting. I’m tired of unnecessary double-switches. I’m tired of being tired of TLR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I haven't check it, but will do so now.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Here's what I'd lke to know.
Aaron Miles. Who, really, do we blame him on. TLR? Mo? Both? I mean, Mo did acquire him. But I gotta think that had to be TLR’s request.
I swear. I don’t know.
I blame Mo.
TLR can ask. Mo signs the contracts. Sometimes, part of being the boss is having to look at the forest instead of the trees and say no when somebody asks for something they think will help, but really likely won’t.
Both.
The 25-man roster is a collaboration between manager, pitching coach, and GM, in St. Louis. I suspect it is in most other franchises, too, but it seems particularly clear that TLR has a lot of input into how the 2010 roster has taken shape. That shape has put the Cardinals at a disadvantage when trying to win games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
how soon we forget.
When asked what role La Russa’s support and open lobbying had in his promotion and his return to the Cardinals, Miles didn’t hesitate: “Huge.”
“I think it’s huge,” he said. “I think it’s definitely big. He knows what he’s got in me, and I’m going to prove to him that I’m still that guy.”
That’s from a Commish blog (though I don’t recall who wrote it), and of course the P-D has broken that link.
And if you don’t buy that, there is the interesting coincidence that he was picked up after the Cardinals played in the Bay Area.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Mo is a TLR enabler.
I’ve gotten to the point where I blame both equally.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
its my guess
that TLR has access and favor from the guy above Mo that gives TLRs whims much more weight
DeWitt is the ultimate problem, as he empowers TLR, for sure.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Open DeWallet?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely that old P-D forum favorite died when they signed Holliday,
only to be resurrected when Pujols leaves to make $30MM+ on the east coast somewhere.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm at the point
that if Pujols leaves to make that kind of money somewhere else, then more power to him. We won before he showed up and we will win again after he is gone. If life has taught me nothing else, it’s that nobody is irreplaceable. That may be viewed as blasphemy, but it’s true. That being said, I hope he doesn’t leave.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Burn em all!!!
Burn em at the stake, I say!!! Where the hell’s my pitchfork?!
Seemed appropriate for the line of thought. But I really do kinda put it on all of them.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn't a vitriolic reaction.
It’s taken me two seasons of inexplicable lineup and roster management to get here. I feel like TLR has jumped the shark.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I know that you weren't spewing.
I was just trying to lighten a completely confounding situation a bit.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
When even the dogs turn on LaRussa
You know he’s in trouble.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
i have always defended him and i do think he is a great manager, but i also think its time for a change. all good things must come to an end.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
depends on the beer.
I have a few that I would much rather drink than liquor.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
if you drink too much beer you eventually get full.
or you throw up. i am both too full of tony and on the verge of vomiting if i have anymore.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
yes yes yes
during the wonderful 9th inning comeback vs the nationals Dan and Al speculated that even though Craig was on deck Franklin would be allowed to hit for himself, because clearly the Cardinals had scored enough runs. Now we’ll never know because there was 1 out, a runner on 1st and Yadi was up to bat, but I’ve seen Tony do this exact thing, but my it’s frustrating to watch the team decide that they’ve scored enough when they’ve got a two run lead in a what’s been a high scoring affair.
Dan and Al liked the idea of Franklin staying the game too.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 30, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't TLR's big contribution to team management...
…supposed to be his ability to “Get the most out of his team and make sure always prepared and ready to go?” Or am I just making that up from some sequence of convenient narratives composed media coverage/Dan & All quotes over the years?
And if it’s true, isn’t he kind of failing at it this year? We all know that TLR makes some head scratchers in-game and occasionally outthinks himself. But whatever negative impact those issues had were supposed to be subsumed by the net overall positive impact of his ability to motivate and prepare the team. If that latter aspect of things is gone, then all we’ve got left is the questionable game management.
I’m not trying to bash TLR here – I’m just want to engage in a thought exercise and see if I can get myself to some sort of conclusion regarding the failures against bottom-half opponents, because it sure as hell seems to me like the team isn’t really motivated this season at all.
all accounts coming out of there are that they're mentally drained.
losing does that.
the thing is, when we could’ve had a few winning streaks — aka when everyone was healthy — that third game would inexplicably be dropped. then it became the second game. then when it hit the fan, they were losing series.
the Cardinals are purported to be the hardest-working over-prepared team in the league. if call is at three, they come in at noon, etc. when guys put that much work into it and still lose and lose and lose, yeah, that’s going to mentally wear down. from a route to a battle of attrition.
Ackerman quotes KMOX:
- Ackerman1120 Mozeliak, on KMOX yesterday: “You just don’t know what club’s going to show up.” #stlcards about 3 hours ago via web
- Ackerman1120 Mo: “I really believe that the players on this team really do care…and they’re going to do everything they can to try to make it right.” about 2 hours ago via web
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(I personally don’t like it as an excuse … more as a known condition.) Now, might there be a more complicated explanation? Of course. But this is the Occam’s Razor option. We’re tired of this, and we didn’t do any work. Imagine being the guy on the spot, doing the work and even more work on top of it, and then living through this season.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
effin sbn
The question is whether Tony helped or hurt the situation.
This is the guy who brought in war heroes to talk to the club — when what they needed to do was loosen up and not press, and that was this April.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That is an egg/chicken argument
I’d argue that winning helps you to play loose. There is no “right” answer on something like this. We have enough vets on the roster that THEY should be the ones controlling the clubhouse, and I have no reason to believe they aren’t. It just happens that most of our vets are “serious” types as well. Carp. Waino. Pujols. Holliday. Those guys aren’t jokesters. Yadi is. We know Ryan is. To me, we seem to have a pretty good mix. We can sit here and guess at the “problem” all day, but fact is, we just don’t know. Could just be that we aren’t as good as we thought. Could just be a tough year. Could be massive chaos in the clubhouse. Who knows.
I am basing this on several months' worth of written and televised reports.
we don’t know everything, but it’s not exactly closed-doors anymore.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I find it telling
as I generally agree with the over-prep, too tight arguments above, that the two players I see standing out (ie stifled by this) are Rasmus and Boog.
Colby, diffident and ‘shy’ and responds to pressure in a retrograde way.
And then the lovable clown, B Ryan, who gets told to check his ADD problem and boyish good heart at the door.
aren't people scared of clowns?
Might be a little simplistic, imo. Brendan kind of twisted himself up this year, by his own admission. For the most part I think he bought in last year, as much as they bought into him. So I don’t think it’s quite that. I’m almost not worried about him ‘cause he’s hit rock bottom without ledge-jumping, and he’s, well, older.
Colby’s an enigma. Maybe not on the Cazana level of enigma. He’s still young and his family life has done a 180 in the last twelve months. Sometimes I think he’s just trying to find the right gear while he fiddles with the clutch, and other times I wonder if he’s internalizing stuff that doesn’t come out quite right. But most people his age are like that. The big X factor is what stuff is getting thrown at him, and we don’t entirely know that either, just that there is something.
It’s almost like… we know the ingredients of the man stew are supposed to work, but somebody left the burner on and now it smells funny.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
one thing's certain, though
They’re both a breath of fresh air for this organization, on and off the field. I hope they stick around for a while.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think Colby should be ready for a monster year next year
but he’s gotta start playing this year and gaining experience and contributing.
I think maybe the whole problem is the focus on both developing new talent and having a lot of veterans around, and actually losing focus on the here and now and making the playoffs. too much focus on all the other stuff and not on winning games.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be happy if Colby just got all the "communication" parts of the game, every time.
and of course… starting all the time, no matter what the matchup.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah
he should be starting a lot so he learns all the nuances of TLR ball. but then again, if TLR doesn’t start him as often, he ain’t gonna learn very fast.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Waino seems more joker off the field
every time they show the dugout he’s telling stories to everyone.
yeah
I wouldn’t say he’s that serious
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
^rout
and probably still not the right phrasing, but ya know what I mean.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
So then,
the solution, as Bill Parcells would put it, is to “Just Win, Baby!” :-)
That’s a bit more results-oriented than we tend to like here.
I didn't say that was the solution
the systemic problem is mental focus. (and injuries, but we can’t seem to do anything about that, curse you GOB.)
now, will mental focus improve by preparing even more?
or will mental focus improve by getting everyone to loosen up and stop pressing?
so forth. we don’t know what the clubhouse is like. there’s no Occam’s razor in the solution box, from where we’re standing.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
by which I mean... and I didn't think you were totally serious with this
“let’s just win” as a solution is like adding more fuel while the gears are grinding. maybe it’ll work. or maybe we need to stop the vehicle and change the oil.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand that, and my response was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
Hence the smiley.
Given TLR’s rep, I don’t really see loosening up as an option. Here’s hoping stressing even more works out.
i'm just hoping they're not "loosening up" off the field and not calling cabs.
(call a cab, you bums!!)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
uggh
Dude that’s horrible…. but undeniably true
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
My heart hurts...
and I’m just kind of sad right now… (climbs to feet) But I have Faith!!! ComeOn Cards!!!!
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
I agree
This team has done so much to fray my fandom psyche. One week they are looking like they are about to start playing like the 93-95 win team that I thought they could be, the next they are losing 4 of 6 to the Pirates/Nationals. It’s been so frustrating that I (for the first time since I can remember) purposefully skipped watching Sunday’s game. I would almost prefer to resign hope for this season, enjoy us winning 87 games and look forward to next year.
Yet, i look at the standings. We are only 3 games behind the Phillies and 5 behind Cincy. The Phillies have looked as resistant to playing more than 162 games as the Cardinals, and the Reds are about to go through the most stressful month (almost) any of the central players on the team have experienced. Nobody has yet to put their foot on our throats and ended the season, so I have faith. Which frustrates me even more.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
A manager's primary job
is to get his players ready to play to their best abilities day after day, not matchups, not small-sample-size lineup decisions over which he agonizes as if it’s poor Yorick’s skull.
If LaRussa is unable to do that, he needs to go and the team needs to find someone who will get these players ready to play every day.
And if the organization’s focus is on player development, then LaRussa is psychologically mismatched in the long term, what with his preference for Proven Veterans™.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Boy
he just does not like to be questioned, does he?
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
if you listen to
the other segments you’ll see he’ll actually very calmly answer questions
i thought it was fair to put that guy on the spot and ask him who he wanted and explain to him why he was wrong – very entertaining too
what i personally find absolutely mindboggling is how high people are on aaron miles, especially on making him an every day player, instead of a ph off the bench
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Heh, "High on Aaron Miles."
That explains a lot, actually. I’m imagining Jefferson Airplane playing in the background while Tony and Mo devour 2 cases of twinkies and plan out roster moves.
by dronemc on Aug 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
he has been a singles factory lately.
Unstoppable…
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
I'm picturing
a singles factory in China, pumping out useless crap that’s snatched up at Tony & Mo’s Discount Busch Stadium Mart.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Judging from that gentleman's knowledge, I suspect he judges a player solely on batting average.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
I think TLR is VERY much into batting average, and that’s just not a good thing.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
authoritarian
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This segment I think shows the good and bad of TLR… The first caller who insists on a specific lineup (however silly it is), is pretty much berated by Tony. The next caller who compliments him for the Cardinals resiliency, he actually deflects the positive onto the players.
I’m not sure if I buy alot of the “rifts” discussion. There does appear to be some sort of a disconnect between Tony/Cheesemus, but there are an incredible amount of reasons for that. But I have always thought that Tony has done a solid job of not publicly throwing players under the bus (there are exceptions), and gives them credit when the team is successful.
I saw some discussion in earlier threads about TLR and Lud Pud having arguments/problems, and that was a major reason for Studwick being shipped out. That seems silly to me. Mo’s job as GM is to put together a team that creates the most advantageous competitve/financial situation for the organization. If he traded away a hard-working, talented fan favorite because of an argument, he should be fired.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
yeah, I don't buy the Ludwick craziness.
all good players fight getting taken out of a game. there has been a lot of that.
Ludwick was because Lohse and Penny. And probably because the other two or three trading chips sucked.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 30, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Luhnow says he's a leader down there
I mean, geez, I hope he works out. And that Carp is around to tutor him in the master class of badass.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Shelby Miller is very precious
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Still...
It was a bummer to see Studwick go. He was one of my favorite players. That being said, I think that we may have come out ahead on that trade. Westbrook has been a more-than-serviceable back of the rotation guy. It doesn’t seem like Luddy has contributed to SD.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I thought TLR was pretty calm about the whole thing.
From the comments I read here, I thought he was foaming at the mouth or at least hostile.
Now, that’s not to say, he still hasn’t made a lot of screwy decisions. I just don’t see that he was out of line at all on that segment.
I know I tend to read between the lines when it comes to TLR and Rasmus. I don’t want to see another Anthony Reyes.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
TLR on Anderson
When asked about Anderson on defense, TLR describes him as “gutty,” “scrappy,” and “tough as nails.” That bodes well, I would think, even if TLR concludes with the old standby that Anderson could use more time in AAA to become the best player he can be.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The scary thing...
is that our manager is advocating for Skip to play second because “he’s got his average up to 270” and “he’s hit 300 a few years in a row” and “we won 90 games with him last year.”
These statements wouldn’t fly in a freshman-level logic class, and this guy is the leader of a $500 million enterprise. What is it about baseball that makes so resistant to innovation?
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ay-yi-yi
Or, alternately, facepalm.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
this just in! no VEBers were captured during Social Media Night!!
http://www.kfns.com/joesportsfanblog/Story.aspx?ID=1271402
Also, the red baron apparently gets top billing. I did not know that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I kinda wanna go to this.
anyone know how much it will cost?
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
muchas gracias.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
what are we supposed to be rating on the fan confidence poll?
how confident we are the cards make the post season?
i voted thirty. THIRTY
this team is so awful
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I voted 80 every week, until last week when I buckled and voted 70.
This week- 60. There’s still a good chunk of season left, but my confidence is on the wane.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
1-2 vs. Pittsburgh and 1-3 vs. Washington. I understand the waning of your confidence.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Same as I did
and look at what the Cards did. The 2-5 road trip is our fault for losing confidence in the team.
I'm pissed,
it won’t go below 10.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I said 10
I have very little confidence in the ability of management of the team right now
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
10 as well.
I love that it’s so much lower than the Rams. It says a lot about both fan bases.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
probably more about the season
everything’s rosy in spring training, too.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Anyone remember how we felt after the first month of the season?
Ya, me neither.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Aug 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And Houston
has been playing well lately — even handing it to the Phillies in Philadelphia.
There’s a real good chance they’ll go 1-2 in Houston for a nice 3-7 road trip.
Bah.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
The last seven games have been, to say the least, troubling
For the forseeable future the only offensive cavalry, riding to the rescue, is Colby Rasmus. Something, well, weird is going on there. I don’t have many of the facts of the matter beyond a typically La Russian post-game quote that, given it’s source, was either a thinly veiled insult or a poorly worded defense of his player (I’m inclined to believe the first though with La Russa you never do know. Seriously this man’s got a law degree and his speaking and communication skills are completely nonexistent. How does that happen?). So who the hell knows when Rasmus will get consistent playing time again.
Even with Colby in the lineup, the Cardinals will be playing with a black hole of offensive suck at 3rd and the mash of Schumaker/Miles/Lopez/Boog up the middle that even in the best of times can’t be considered a crew of thunderous bats. They’re going to have a brutal time scoring runs, probably even with Rasmus’s bat in there, unless Pujols and Holliday go unconscious every game from here on out. AND EVEN THEN it may not be enough juice. I actually didn’t hate the Ludwick trade because I figured with Rasmus in CF and the Jay/Craig combo in RF the Cards could probably cover the hole up esp. if Mo could find another piece. However with Feliz in the mix I’m not so sure anymore. For the first time all season I’m genuinely worried about this team’s ability to make the playoffs.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
Probably should worry
Baseball Prospectus has the Cardinals’ odds to make the postseason at 32 percent, a figure which has dropped 20 points over the past week.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed with everything you said
Fire Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Aug 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haven't had a winning record in September since 2004
For all the successes the team has had, finishing strong has not been a trademark of this team for a long time. I think it is fair to question if the team is beaten down annually by this stage of the season. All the lineup changes, etc., are presumably designed to keep guys fresh for the end of the season. A critical thinker might start questioning whether our approach is having the desired impact at this stage….but do we have any of those?
I’m worried too.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 30, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
that's insane
September should be one of the best months for a good ballclub
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams that are out of it
Are trying their farmhands out quite a bit.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 30, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm...
there’s a number of factors at work here…. One thing to keep in mind, teams that try out farmhands often improve their performance – look at Houston.
Fire La Russa!
Houston could have brought in Mr. Ed and improved their performance
so really they were REALLY bad.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
A fitting replacement
for Mr. Twinkie Power
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
that's rough stuff...
makes being a Cards fan easy… Looks like Feliz got some games in at first as well.
Fire La Russa!
Yeah....
I’m starting to feel a lot better about that trade…..30 OPS+ and 26 K’s in 84 PA’s.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
hmmm
Not sure if I should laugh here… oh well ha ha
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Perhaps that is true
I haven’t looked at how other teams have performed in September relative to other months. Obviously, they’ve been beating us for the last 6 years, so it might be pretty good. It seems Houston is always about 30 games out in June, and then goes on a tear at the end. We still do have that pattern of underperforming, either way.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
because you are gearing up for the playoffs I guess
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes intuitive sense...
but I doubt you’d find that good teams outperform their records in September, or that there’s a correlation between september and october performance.
I don’t know of any studies off hand, other than the oft-repeated maxim that there’s no such thing as momentum.
Fire La Russa!
rocktober?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that is just random
maybe that’s just me
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 30, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Bernie did?
A guy posts a .296 OBP and Bernie says that we can’t judge this a success yet. Right, it’s clearly a failure.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Just a thought here, but...
…amidst all the hand-wringing and doomsaying (myself included in both of those) it bears mentioning that a case can be made that the Cards are actually doing pretty decently just to be where they are right now.
If I had told you that, at the start of the season,
1) We’d lose 2 of our 5 starters for the season (or at least lose their effectiveness, in Lohse’s case.);
2) Two separate plans for third base would evaoprate out from under us;
3) Skip, Boog and Yadi would perform at or near career-worst levels on offense for the first half of the season,
4) Colby would end up with maybe 130 games played on the season (ok, maybe this wouldn’t have been a shock);
5) We’d trade out third-best hitter away in hopes of replacing Penny/Lohse;
6) For extended stretches, our roster would boast the presence of Aaron Miles, Jeff Suppan, PJ Walters, Pedro Feliz, Nick Stavinoha and Mike MacDougal, and all would get at least some playing time in leverage situations;
7) Our global “insurance policy” player – Felipe Lopez – would try 2/3 of the way through the season to take some of the slack off Miles for all the “worst player in the majors” comments,
then would you really expect us to be anywhere CLOSE to first place?
I’m not happy with the way things have gone either, but I thought it might be a nice palate cleanser to at least think things could be much, much worse.
yeah
this is a good point… we could easily not even have a chance by now. at least there’s still a small window of opportunity left since the Reds really aren’t all that great. and this team should theoretically be able to win games with Pujols, Holliday, Wainwright, and Carpenter (not to mention Garcia) on the team. Unfortunately, Waino hasn’t looked like himself lately and there’s only so much 2 players can do for your offense.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This doesn't really fly...
with the big four performing at a high level we should win a minimum of 90-92 games regardless of what happens with anyone else. What’s knocked us off that pace is bad luck (-5 vs pythag) more than anything. LaRussa also hasn’t helped, obviously…
Fire La Russa!
Pujols + Holliday + Waino + Carp alone = 90 wins?
Regardless of surrounding talent? I’m hard pressed to believe it’s that simple.
well...
those guys were worth 25 wins last year and are at 20 wins this year with a month to go. If you pencil them in for 23 wins and assume 49 wins as replacement level that gets us to 72. Molina is a 3 win player if he doesn’t hit a thing, Rasmus is worth 2 in a down year, Ludwick/Jay/Craig is worth 2 in a down year, Miles/Feliz/Greene/Ryan/Freese/Skip/Lopez will be worth 5 wins this year and the group has been worse than expected for one reason or another… That gets us to 84 wins. Could we get 6 more wins out of 3 starters/bullpen/bench if things went poorly? Probably…
Fire La Russa!
Me too but I do agree Tony has cost us
4 or 5 wins……which would mean we should close to 20 games over .500 not 10
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we have a MiL player named Angel de Jesus?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
German
I’m pretty sure.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanging out here with you guys is starting to remind me
of cubs fans around here… the biggest difference is that none of them have seen a team get to the WS in their life times.. where as on average I would say most VEBers have seen the Cards in about 4 or 5… some of the elders may have seen the really good days in the 60’s.. I doubt anyone posting here has seen anything older than that. but I am getting off my own topic…
We are so gloomy and angry all the time.
Oh another difference… at least there is attempt at intelligent discussion instead of getting drunk and telling everyone else their team sucks just because they arent’ the cubs.
I am getting that kind of feeling though that I use to get from talking to them.. This year they haven’t been giving me crap though… could it be pity?
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
No. It could be that we have one of the best players ever on our team
and we’re witnessing one of his stellar seasons count for nothing but the record books. It sucks.
by spants on Aug 30, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Slowly waves at memories of 1998.
Pats child on head.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You know what I remember of 1998
Manny Aybar and Juan Acevedo in the starting rotation. Todd Stottlemyre was the staff ace.
Yes, yes, McGwire, very good, and all that.
But I remember John Frascatore and Donovan Osborne. That’s what I remember about that year.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow I barely remember 1998...
Prolly cuz I was one year out of highschool and too busy partying… Shame on me.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
That's the way I was in the early 90's.
I was in my early 20’s and the teams sucked. So I followed them more in a passive sense and drank copious amounts of alcohol.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
same for me in the early 80's
unfortunately, it caused me to mostly miss the ’82 WS win. And then I WAS paying attention by the time ’85 and ’87 rolled around.
youneverknow
1998
Was my first year with MLB Extra Innings. So I got to enjoy every excruciating blown save, Manny Aybar appearance and McGwire homer.
My formative years were the Ted Simmons late 1970s Cardinals.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ohh rough.. late 70's
I really became a true fan (as in not just cuz my dad is a fan) in the late 80’s when I was swooned by Willie McGee, Jose Oquendo, Tom Brunanski, Ozzie Smith. and of course Vince Coleman…. But I also loved young Ray Lankford and Brian Jodan in the early 90’s ..
I was stoked about big Mac when we got him… but that was nothing compared to Jim Edmonds.. I loved that move so much.. He was soo much more exciting than Big Mac and I have more fond memories of Jimmy’s heroics than Mark’s… The came PUJOLS!!
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
I vaguely remember the 70's teams.
I remember Simba catching and the Mad Hungarian and Bob Forsch of course. As for the good and the bad of them, not so much. Hell, I was only 6-9 in that time span, and baseball coverage was a little different back then. I do remember getting Ozzie and the events leading to that trade.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Any idea on who and how many guys come up on the 1st?
I know Memphis needs most of their guys for the stretch run so it will be intersting to see who comes up….hopefully enough guys to avoid Kyle Lohse batting 5th in an extra innings game.
Too bad Gotay, Descalso and Lynn arent on the 40 man, those are all guys id like to see get some PT. I figure probably Greene, Mather, McLane….who else?
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Historically, the Cards have been very frugal with September callups
Mostly people we’ve seen already
Stavinfection
Kinney, maybe
Joey Bombs
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Kinneys not on the 40 anymore but
Yea id rather see him than McDougal. I know Greene will for sure. Who is Joey Bombs?
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Joey "I have missed you" Mathe
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
BLAST!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
walk it off
rub some dirt on it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
:)
Who is Joey Bombs?
Thank you I needed a good laugh.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
heh
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
we may know him as Joey Slides
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wahoo!
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
by BVHeck on Aug 30, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is d-dee's work, yeah?
love watching that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yup
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
I forgot about him hooking his foot around the base.
Excellent.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it only worked because he's tall
incidentally, is he tall enough to play third base?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There's a sex joke in there somewhere.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
needs a flexibility comment
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i believe pablo sandavol had
a slide like this too a couple weeks ago…he was called safe but unlike mather’s slide, pablo was tagged on the shirt and was out
still pretty amazing to see a two slides like this in one season…ive never seen it before
by guillermozeliak on Aug 30, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
There have been several.
Actually, wasn’t Panda’s slide against the Cards last week?
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
probably
its just the two ive seen it really is an athletic move and good reaction
by guillermozeliak on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Mather in Memphis?
I thought he got moved to Springfield.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably no one from Memphis
The Redbirds are half game behind in the standings. The call ups will wait until the season is over.
You do what you have to to help the big league team
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It 's not like the Cubs won't be bringing in their farmhands, too.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know. I think we will at least see Greene.
I wonder if Daryl Jones will get a shot…
Why is he still on the 40 man?
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because once you're on it, you're on it
You can’t be taken off unless there’s an injury that moves you to the 60 day DL or you’re made available to other teams.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I say none
up until the team’s win in the Bricktown Showdown.
We have a potential playoff team to root for — and I say we start focusing on the exploits of our boys in Memphis rather than the team that can’t get out of its own way in St. Louis.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I've "made it" when I find posters
on other boards discussing me (as a writer) rather than whatever I’ve written. As an aside, WCBW is just much of a lunatic as ever — I have no idea why Brian Walton consistently permits that garbage.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
ok i am stupid..
what is this refering to?
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
I don't visit other boards very often.
Occasionally I do because there’s a handful of people that post elsewhere that I’m interested in reading their comments. The downside is that I have to sift through a ton of lunatic bullshit to find anything remotely interesting — hence why I don’t do it very often.
Today I happened across some disparaging remarks towards me and VEB. I don’t mind it much though because the people that made them did so on a forum I don’t care for personally and the company they keep speaks towards their level of intelligence. There’s little understanding of advanced statistics there from the top down.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
It doesn't matter.
I made the rounds to a couple websites this afternoon to see if there was anything interesting about Colby. I didn’t read anything I didn’t already know about that situation but I did read a ton of people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I didn't know that your
“unusual relationship” with Colby has some unsavory aspects in it’s basis…………….Could you expand on this?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He's something else.
There’s a lot of nonsense that gets spewed over there.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
If only I had an unsavory relationship with Colby...
If only
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Skip is going to be very angry with me if he finds out about Colby.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
stop all this whispering...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought Strauss was the one whispering sweet nothings in Colby's ear.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
but there are babies involved
so I’m not sure.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't think Strauss whispers so much as hisses.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think your fiance might rethink her decision.
But then again, you are in California.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Keith Law linked to your post!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
yup, here
keithlaw
Indeed. RT @ThePoost: TLR’s reasoning for playing Jon Jay over Colby Rasmus as quoted in this article is absurd. http://tinyurl.com/27fbhcm about 3 hours ago via Seesmic for Android
keith law, still a douche
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I've always liked Keith.
He requires that others have thick skin though and I can see how he wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
He speaks with clarity
Sometimes he’s very short with people who simply don’t know as much as him. Sometimes it works and sometimes he comes across as a douche. I like the guy for the most part but sometimes he can be a bit much for me. And, like you said, I can see why some folks just don’t like the guy at all.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he is the law
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
the Law
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
even his last name is douchey
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
WCBW = intrigue
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I miss him/her so much...
must. quote. wcbw…
If your familiar with Aurevator BB. He has a very unusual relationship (adoration) of Colby. Its basis has some unsavory aspects…………and I’m from California
Don’t ban me, bro!
Fire La Russa!
Can a brotha get a link?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'll have whatever WCBW is having.
That must be some good stuff WC’s been taking.Talk about a trip.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You're gay for Colby!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 30, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ha ha
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that what he's trying to imply?
I didn’t even pick up on those undertones.
I never will quite understand why that’s considered a useful insult in American male culture. I would have thought Seinfeld debunked that a few decades ago.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Aug 30, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that's what the
“and I’m from California” implied.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
There's a wonderful t-shirt company in Des Moines.
This subthread reminds me of this t-shirt.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's what he's saying
I usually can’t decipher him at all, but he tries to make it a little clearer than normal with the California comment.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
only 100s, actually
/history. not political! rly!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, that was written.... Ah, not gonna do it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 30, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nicely done
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
eeeeeccch i'm going to stop right here.
because there’s the Bible, and there’s the historical analysis of the Bible, and there’s the religious reading.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I guess.
I just don’t get it. I’d be more offended if someone insulted my intelligence or personal hygiene or manners than if someone wants to make incorrect insinuations about my sexual preferences.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
YOU'RE RUDE AND YOU SMELL FUNNY.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
now you've gone too far!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
on the other hand
all gay men that i know are properly groomed, mostly excellent choice in clothes, clean, always smelling nice and very polite
it’s a compliment really
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
women and gay men....
what’s up with that?
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
why do women think so highly
of gay men???
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
i personally have alterior motives
my best friend jumped out of the closet (to me) several years ago. he always looks and smells good and is a very nice guy
everyone else i’ve met that was gay left the same impression.
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Non-threatening
It’s not just gay men, either. I’ve been with my fiancee for 7 years now, and to all my lady friends, I’m essentially the “gay guy” because I’m just not a threat to them
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
hahahaha
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My experiences:
We get to talk to them about men.
They always see our side of the story, even if they disagree.
Honest with us because they’re not trying to get into our pants.
Because they're non-threatening!
It’s like you guys don’t even listen to me or care about my opinion
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i'm sorry, what? i was looking at your breasts.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
you're not a gay man
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
But I live in California!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
haha
but seriously, its not the same thing. personally, i am very threatened by you
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
so you see him as a viable male then...
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 30, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think being in a relationship makes someone non-threatening
and i am basing this on the experience of having “safe” male friends with serious significant others profess their love for me.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Oh, I absolutely get what you're saying
It’s the EXTENT of my relationship. Girls that I’m close to know that we’ve been together 7 years. They know that we’ve gone through almost every piece of shit a relationship can go through.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
thats awkward
people do that to me all the time
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 30, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i lol'd
its happened to me three times. it ruins the friendship every time.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Well I would think so!
I like how they thought you wouldn’t consider the fact that they had girlfriends.
would you believe that every situation was almost identical?
not one ever said, hey, i want to be with you. i’m not happy with girl X. what if you and i gave it a try? it was always like, hey, i have to tell you, i’m in love with you. i just thought you should know. like, wtf am i supposed to do with this information???
of course, in high school, a girl friend of mine told our gay guy friend she was in love with him. THAT was more awkward.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
she knew...
she was drunk, but….yipes that was a weird time for all of us.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
well this is going to be awkward now
hey, I’ve got something to tell you . . .
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I think he meant to respond to mysterui....
not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
bizarre, even.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
So, um, I've got something to tell you...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
non-threatening would be
a girl’s gay friend is non-threatening to her boyfriend/husband because he doesn’t want to jump her bones
or do you mean non-threatening in a way that the gay guy is not competition for other men like a girl friend would be to a woman?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
A gay guy is not threatening to a girl because he doesn't have a sexual agenda attached
It is easier for women (and this is an assumption) to get close to someone that they’re sure has no intentions whatsoever of sexual activity
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
So it is easier for you to get close to someone that DOES have a sexual agenda?
I’m not trying to be snarky, I honestly don’t know what you’re disagreeing with haha
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
this is a good point.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Ah, I gotcha
That’s a fair point.
Honestly, I’m a young kid pontificating based solely on my personal experience. I see a lot of girls liking to hang out with gay guys. Since high school, I’ve noticed that girls have always been incredibly comfortable sharing secrets with me.
I’m adding two and two together based on one data point
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i think she is disagreeing with the premise of why gay men and straight women make good friends.
and i disagree, too. part of it is instinctual competition, i think. i don’t know what the rest is. i like male friends better than women as a general rule, straight or gay. but then the gay ones are extra nice because we have other things in common.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
this whole sub-thread is so confusing
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
like sexualy confused??
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
But are YOU married?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I have a prenup
I sometimes have people assume I am gay because, well…I don’t know. I also have been told I am non-threatening so, so many times. I assume the reasoning behind these two things are related. So many things about this sub-thread are enlightening and confusing the hell out of me.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
is that so hard to believe?
No, I am not married. I just have a prenup ready, just in case.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
it's like a pistol, just loaded with legalese.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 30, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
she may
or may not be a figment of my imagination, but she does know her beer!
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
It always helps to have one of those.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
this sounds like me.
and i wonder why people’s first impressions of me is that i’m gay…
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 30, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus they get BJs.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 30, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'm just gonna go ahead and rec this
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I wish you weren't a liar.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
If getting massages from Pujols in game is gay
Then I don’t wanna be straight
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
this seems to be the dramatic interlude, though.
wherein Skip walks in unexpectedly.
poor Skip.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
is it too late to submit this post for a GLADD award??
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
loved the too many periods thing........................
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
we need a greatest hits link page for him
So everyone can get linked to it when they make a vague comment with no basis in reality…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think we were discussing his ban a few days ago here
Yeah, I can see why he is gone.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 30, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He had his time.
I believe LBoros was the one who finally canned him.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
remember when he would only talk to Larry and a few other commenters?
I think that was the end for him, he was like ignoring almost everyone except bugging Larry all the time
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody asked me
But I consider his devotion towards signing Lohse to that deal a bannable offense. Or at least an offense to common sense.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 30, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he basically tried to either confuse or to turn things into some kind of weird conspiracy
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He's either some kind of autistic savant...
or he’s a student in one of these “cultural studies” programs who took a bunch of acid and had his brain frozen in a freshman seminar mindset.
Fire La Russa!
I'm going with the hundreds of hits of acid explanation
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
#blogwar!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
count me in
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
by shadetree on Aug 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna straight up murder your ass
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Take it to craigslist, buddy.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You're on a roll, fritz.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yadi2, you were asking about Kyle L's scar..
Go to Carp’s tattoo exhibit and looki looki if you still wanna see that thing
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
wait. need to brace myself.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
jebus they slit his wrist and his arm
like he was in some kind of initiation
I think you’re right, though, it’ll look better once it fades. now it just looks alien.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the Dark Mark?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I was thinking Giger but that works.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
May not fade much.
That’s how the scars used to look for people that had carpal tunnel surgery, A lot of people I know that had it done 20 years ago still look like that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
gaaah.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
seriously, i'm not even squeamish about that stuff
but it doesn’t even look like a shark bit him, which is one of the most badass of scars. not even a bottom-feeding shark.
it looks like a giant robot pinned it back and pumped him full of nanites.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I should say
there is a difference in location between the two. The old way of doing CT surgery went straight from the wrist to the elbow, didn’t have the stylistic curve to it. Guess Kyle could just get a sleeve done to cover it up. Nothing like a lil ink to make people forget your scar.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
so when can we expect the VEB one-act wherein Carp takes Lohse to the tattoo place?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh please, that means i have to lurk for another Carp tattoo then
the man wears too much clothes, all these sleeves and pant legs
it’s not easy, you know
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
yes, it is a terrible thing that Carpenter wears so many clothes, d-dee.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
We'll know who d-dee is when Carp gets a restraining order filed on a woman.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
no you won't cause he already did
nah, shut up morons, i’m very respectful of people’s right to privacy
i just own telephoto lenses and pay attention to detail
can’t help that i’m thorough
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
And from now on,
I will always picture you as this:
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
in fairness, this is how men perceive almost all internet women.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 30, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's "morans", d-dee.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, surgery for compartment syndrome is not pretty.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
effin compotes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
my mobil browser likes this thread a lot more than the other
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
it's the high octane.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I didn't know gas stations sponsored browsers
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
6 would be more serious
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Any word on Motte's return?
is he still on schedule to join the team in Houston today? Or will he be held back until Sept 1?
he will be brought up, say something to Tony that rubs him the wrong way, and then won't appear in a game for 5 more days
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I really just cant stand LaRussa anymore after this season
hes just fucked this team up so much. And hes such a dick. He makes these stupud ass decesions and then snaps at the reporters after the game if they question his “genious”….
Hes always been unlikeable but I really just cant stand him anymore, I hope he doesnt come back. Plus hes a creep, ive been haunted by that picture someone posted a while back of him holding up all his little pets snuggling up against his face. Those dogs look like they wanna kill themselves….makes me think of that Paris Hilton South Park episode….
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the one where she got stuck up the gay guys behind...
ughhh
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Yea thats the one...
But I was refering to all her dogs killing themselves.
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 3:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This may be to what you're referring
And they do have that “Kill Us Now … and Quickly” look.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha yea thats actually another one
wtf I guess he likes doing photo shoots with his pets. I cant even imagine his house, there are probably picture frames filled with them. Plus a “Tony and friends” calender, filled with them.
I cant even imagine the family Christmas cards…
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently
the internet is filled with LaRussa snuggling up to puppies and kittens.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
lol the cat on the left
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
by hr on Aug 30, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
update: Rasmus was scratched and the cat on the left will be playing center tonight...
Can someone please photoshop Miles and Stavs face on one of those pictures?
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Excuse me
I can’t hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea its a little too much work on the cell phone
I guess I’m lazy….oh wait there it is! Haha I could never find it on this phone until now….i work at ATT so i’m always trying out new phones all day.
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to be fair, he typed all that on his phone
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
by hr on Aug 30, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
By now, they'll probably wait until Wednesday.
Allows for more playoff roster shenanigans.
(What? Don’t snicker.)
Proabably right since MacDougal is rested after Saturday
so there really isn’t a need for Motte these next two days.
Lineup
STL LINEUP TONIGHT—Skip 2B, Winn RF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Feliz 3B, Molina C, Rasmus CF, Ryan SS, Westbrook P
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Hopefully Rasmus isn't scratched 2 min before first pitch again
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
No, he won't be
LaRussa will wait until Rasmus goes out to the on-deck circle. Then LaRussa will send out Jay to hit for him. Then, since Rasmus hasn’t been announced, Razzer will pinch-hit in the seventh.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Announced or not,
he would in theory be on the lineup card, so that wouldn’t fly.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
bahahahahah
yesterday Miles and Feliz bookended the big two; today Winn and Feliz.
I don’t care how on-board DeWitt was with the rally, his manager is really screwing him out of a lot of wins and money. I do believe that will resonate.
Fire La Russa!
Why in the fuck
does TLR insist on hitting Feliz 5th? There is no justification for this.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He once had a bunch of RsBI.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I thought the idea was to improve the defense by hiding...
Lopez – instead they stick him at shortstop and expose Feliz by batting him fifth. They then bench the 3rd best hitter on the team and send the 4th best hitter to Memphis
Fire La Russa!
That's a winning formula,
I telz ya!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
might want to educate yourself on craig
before you turn back into a troll
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
by d-dee on Aug 30, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Craig of the .571 OPS
Allen hasn’t exactly demonstrated any success in his 89 plate appearances to justify a “4th best on the team” label.
Can you please prove to me that he has a slow bat?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No
But I can prove to you that he’s been incredibly unlucky
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
too small of a sample size to use luck
as the reason for his issues.
i am basing this comment on azruavatar’s article from yesterday
Could a 34.7% O-Swing be more of a reason?
silly arguement - point is he isn't producing, whatever the reason.
down he goes, but he’ll be back.
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
You were the one saying he has a slow bat.
If you have no evidence of this, I must assume that you’re just making it up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The evidence is two-fold
First, it’s visual. I know quite a bit about baseball, and the baseball swing. TO ME, his swing looks slow.
Secondly, it’s been SAID (not verified), that both Mac and Tony think he needs to make changes to succeed consistently at the big league level.
That's pretty weak
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He can measure bat speed with his eyes.
He knows about baseball dude.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Aug 30, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't have the tools to measure it any other way
Do you? Prove to me that I’m wrong. So me a bat speed chart that puts Craig at a respectable speed? Oh, you can’t? You don’t have those numbers either? You saying his bat speed is fine is just YOUR opinion?
Gotcha champ.
Every scouting report I have read on Craig assesses his bat speed at high or very good.
So, you’ll forgive me if I believe my own eyes and experienced scouts over you.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not making any statements on his bat speed
because I try to avoid talking about things on which I have no credibility or evidence to support me.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Aug 30, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You make observations all the time
I’ts a big part of the game. I’d guess you think Craig’s swing is fine. But you cannot prove that to me today. I happen to feel the opposite. But like you, I can’t prove it today either.
I personally think Craig has sucked so far
but I don’t think he’s going to suck in the future. well, I hope not anyway, because that would be a huge disappointment considering how he has been tearing up minor league pitching
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there's a lot of evidence that
Craig’s swing has worked for him in the past. I don’t see any red flags with his swing.
If you normalize his prodution for batted ball rates he has a .312 wOBA which is no great shakes but better than what he’s done to date.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
az, call thepainguy and shut this dude up already
o’leary has the footage, he’ll have the data
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I doubt I'm the guy to contact Chris
We don’t exactly see eye-to-eye on mechanics. He would probably be able to answer the question though.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Because you disagree?
I think it’s weak to call Craig a top anything hitter for STL right now. I don’t care what his LD rate is, or his babip. I’ve watched nearly every ML AB he has taken, and I’m not impressed. Is there some potential? Sure. Is he likely to have to make big changes to realize that potential? I, personally, think so. Maybe I’m wrong, and if so, I’ll come back and admit it.
Why would you not care how many...
line drives Craig has hit when we’re trying to figure out if Craig is a good hitter?
A good hitter being mostly defined by a guy who hits lots of line drives.
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Aug 30, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For several reasons
I love how nobody on this board ever wants to take the SSS route with the LD stat.
I also don’t like how the classify them. I’ve seen Craig hit, with my own eyes, 3-5 balls that were probably categorized as LD’s, that were terrible balls. A couple of them he got sawed off on, but the ball still managed to SOFTLY, uh, line itself, out to 2B. How is that better than a hard hit ground ball? Or even a fly ball to the track?
But again, SSS can effect LD rate as well. There is nothing unlucky about getting sawed off, and hitting a soft line to 2B. And like I’ve said, I’ve seen Craig do that 2-3 times alone. With his sample size, 2-3 balls makes a pretty big difference.
MILES!!!
oh wait… not an option
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
i would like to know how Stanley sees that
but you know, he’s ignoring me
i’ll go cry in the corner now
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
there's a simple reason for that.
batted ball rates and plate discipline stats are cited more often in small sample sizes because they have less noise in them. they accurately reflect what the hitter is DOING.
result stats, like batting average, reflect some of what the hitter is doing, some of what the defense is doing, and a lot of luck. so there’s more noise in the mix.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I don't disagree completely
But Craig’s small number of AB’s this year is still too small IMO.
Also, there is a human element to what is considered a LD vs what is not. Give me a hard ground all over a sawed off LD. And while I don’t want Miles trying to muscle up and go yard, I’d say that a deep, hard hit fly ball from a power guy is in some cases better than a weak LD.
Well...
I just trust the guys who sit at games and record this stuff more than you or me or any other fan. Not that they are perfect.
Even if you aren’t impressed by his line drives, he’s hit 22 ground balls and only 2 have resulted in hits. By comparison, Aaron Miles is 16 for 48 on ground balls and you can’t possibly tell me that Craig has hit his grounders softer than Miles.
Fire La Russa!
Another problem I have
What if Craig is pounding his ground balls into the ground? What if none of them are hit particuarly hard? How would that be “bad luck”? I’m not saying that is the case, I don’t really know. But it certainly could be. What stat measures that? On the other hand, I’ve seen Miles hit several ground balls hard. It doesn’t suprise me that a good number have snuck through the infield. Again, what stat can differentiate between a guy that is slapping hard grounders all over the infield, vs a guy that is on his front foot, and pounding ground balls into the ground?
I have personally witnessed several ground balls that Aaron Miles hit softly that snaked through the infield.
I therefore declare his BABIP to be lucky.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 30, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you don't know...
whether his grounders were hit hard or not, it’s better to assume what’s more likely instead of what is less likely. And what’s more likely is that the distribution of grounders in terms of how hard they were hit is similar to the average major leaguer. The average major leaguer gets about 1 hit every 4 grounders. If Craig followed this he would have had 5 hits off grounders instead of 2 and his batting average would be 50 points higher.
Fire La Russa!
I’ve seen Craig hit, with my own eyes, 3-5 balls that were probably categorized as LD’s
If you’d stop saying things that are 100% random, baseless conjecture, other posters might be more amenable to your points. Instead you continue to make things up that are problematic because they’re so easy to nitpick.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
How is that random?
I watch the games. There is nothing random about that. Fact, there are some balls hit that are categorized as LD’s that aren’t “good hits, or well hit balls, or balls that have a good chance of being a hit”. Until babip finds a way to account for that, to me it’s just another stat that has a hole in it. Maybe it doesn’t affect most guys…..I don’t recall AP hitting many soft liners, given his number of AB’s, and maybe some guys are affected a lot. Right now, I don’t think LD% and babip reflect how well Craig has hit the ball.
How do you know which balls are categorized as line drives?
More specifically, how do you know that there have been 3-5 instances where a ball was classified as a line drive but, in your opinion, were in fact terrible?
I’m not engaging in the BABIP argument. That’s not my point. My point is that you like to make statements that are unfalsifiable to support your point. How can anyone have a conversation with someone who does that?
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Show me a stat that proves...
you can’t have a conversion with someone like that. Then maybe we’ll believe you.
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Aug 30, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
see that's what I've been saying
My point is that you like to make statements that are unfalsifiable to support your point. How can anyone have a conversation with someone who does that?
With Dave Pendelton also.
Fire Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Aug 31, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Your evidence...
…is what you’ve seen watching the guy play and a quote from the manager and hitting coach. Here’s the problem with both…
- What you see watching a game in real time doesn’t really matter. Ask our resident mechanics of baseball expert, Chris O’Leary (aka thepainguy) if watching games in real time is the best way to judge a guy’s physical movements. The human eyes just don’t work that well. If you’ve taken any class in Biological Psychology or Sensation and Perception you’d know that. Our eyes aren’t good for objectively judging how fast something is moving or else cops wouldn’t need radar guns and stuff. Long story short, your real-time perceptions of Craig’s swing speed don’t hold much water.
- You’ve provided neither a link to this reported quote by LaRussa and McGwire nor any other way to check and see if it were actually said. That means we’re just going to take your word for it, and I’m sorry but that’s just not how the world works.
So that’s why your argument is weak, and because it’s weak I disagree, not the other way around. You argued he had a slow bat and used weak evidence to support it, so I’m forced to say that while you very well may be actually correct, I’m not about to just take your word for it.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not measuring bat spped
with my eyes. I’m seeing that Craig gets jammed more than most guys. I see that Craig gets sawed off more than most guys. I see that Craig is simply late on balls, more than mot guys. Is that not a sign? I also see that he has an odd, long starting mechanism. Can some guys get away with that? Sure. Julio Franco comes to mind.
I cannot provide you a link to something that was said on tv, during two seperate games. Either call me a liar, or accept it as true. Or go rewatch the game. That is all I can offer you.
uhhh...
sorry but no one is gonna agree with you… I’m just sayin man
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
do i need to repost the "appeal to authority" definition?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
or consider the possibility that you may have misremembered it
or that it may have been made in a context that made it make sense, or any of a thousand other reasons we sometimes find it useful to write down what other people say other than because some people lie.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
No
I didn’t “misremember it”. I’ve paid special attention to Craig’s AB’s b/c I was never as high on him as a lot of folks were. I watched closely, for conservations just like this.
you'd make a great defense witness.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
So, you had a bias against Craig from the beginning?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not exactly what I meant
I’m replying to dozens of posts, you guys are just replying to me. I’m in a hurry.
I’ve watched Craig in the past, and not been super impressed. I figured average ML bench bat was probably his upside, with maybe a role in RF as a platoon guy. I started watching closer this year, especially upon his last couple of recalls.
I’m out for the day. Or at least for awhile. There is a lot fo good info on this board, but damn, God forbid somebody disagree with the group of guys that run the site, and those that all happen to be on the same page. You guys aren’t always right, and neither am I. But to essentially say that any of you could run a team or an organization better than guys that have been schooled for it, and having been doing it, successfully in several cases, is laughable. There are plenty of good teams that have bad years. It happens. Ever heard the expression “that’s why they play the game”? If putting together a good team on paper meant everything, the Yanks would have even more WS titles.
I’m think skinned, it doesn’t “bother” me, but I’d suggest some of you think about how you respond to people that having differing opinions. I haven’t come onto the board saying I’m 100% right, and you guys are wrong. All I’ve done is post my opinion, that happens to differ. Sure, some of my support isn’t “good” support. Doesn’t mean it is wrong though. And I did present facts and stats, specifically when talking about Craig as the 4th best hitter today.
but you didnt present facts,
just opinions that you SAID are facts. i dont doubt your sincerity, but i think you are wrong.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
um, guayzimi said that allen craig was the fourth best hitter.
you said “you believe that? seriously?”
if you want to complain about people’s responses, then maybe you shouldn’t start shit. it’s not like you said “jon jay is the fourth best hitter on the team” and everybody piled on and said “oh no, how stupid are you? it’s allen craig!”
if you want the blog to be a nice quiet one where everybody gets to believe different stuff then don’t challenge people in an obnoxious way.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
We should dose the whole board with Prozac
That way, I’ll get to be mean (I’m a robot doesn’t affect me) and the rest of you won’t care! Hooray!
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
there is prozac on the internet.
it’s called cute pictures of babies.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
babies with baby cats?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's crazy! they'll never find a way to massively
tranquilize the population over the internet.
now, i have to go take care of my mafiawars and farmville players on facebook and then go on secondlife.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 30, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do you really think your memory...
is better than a guy who’s job it is to observe and write down what happens for all of Craig’s at bats?
Fire La Russa!
You still don't get it.
I’m not saying that guy is righting things down incorrectly. I’m saying he was told to right things down a certain way, and that method is misleading at times. Get it?
Prove your hypothesis and people will quit bugging you.
Here’s some video of his swing.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
So it looks like that's a bout a 9 or ten frame swing,
Which according to Chris, is right at MLB standards.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Then why is that debate still going on above us?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Facts have no business here.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
my eyes do not agree with yours.
Watch the flippin games. Right now, Miles has a better chance at getting a hit then Craig does. He is taking better AB’s.
I know quite a bit about baseball, and the baseball swing.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I know nothing...
But it doesn’t seem like anyone has been afraid to challenge Craig with the fastball… I think Al and Dan told me that.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
ha ha ha ha ha ha cough cough ha ha ha
I think Al and Dan told me that.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Goodness, I hope you caught the sarcasm.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i did but couldn't control my laughter cuz
that was some damn good sarcasim
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
In all honesty
I have heard the Craig “slow bat” argument before. But, seriously, only from Al & Dan.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
You sure you're not cardball?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
what happened to cardball?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a clue, guys.
That’s why I asked. The “I know about baseball” thing sounds like him. He did always provide some interesting viewpoints, even if he was hard-headed about it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked cardball
he might not have agreed with a lot of things that most of us here do, but he was never trollish about it.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
i liked cardball too
the whole "I have sources and scouts (that I can’t tell you about) who would laugh at your reasoning!’ thing got old though
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 30, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I never experienced that
I could see that getting old
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I liked cardball too
He was fun to argue with.
Fire Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Aug 31, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like all the past-tense in here
Did he die?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 31, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't prove a negative as a rule
If you make a positive claim though you need to substantiate it with something more than your own assertions.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ohhh so that's why so much negative on here.
It’s less work.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
So, who is the witch using this logic?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 30, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
if we are trying to predict what Craig is going to do in the future
at what point do we mix in some of his major league at bats into the minor league predictors? also, what does Jay have to do to get rated above Craig? go back into the past and do better in the minor leagues?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you that Jay isn't hitting better than Craig right now
Craig’s clearly in a funk. But I think that he’s a better hitter overall than Jay
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he may end up being that
but I take issue with so many people here saying that he IS a better hitter than Jay, when clearly he hasn’t shown that yet.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ZiPS RoS projection does this,
and projects a .319 wOBA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
again
that could happen. but I think he has more muscle than that and more skills than that. I usually defer to stats and projections, but Jay is not that bad a player, I will be very very surprised if he puts up a .319 wOBA for the rest of the season or for next season.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It would take a full season or two...
keep in mind Jay has had about 230 at bats and Craig about 90 in the majors this year. Craig’s babip is about 150 points below Jay’s and Craig’s “slow bat” is hitting more line drives and he walks more.
Fire La Russa!
There isn't a stat or projection out there
That would call Craig our 4th best hitting option today. Not one. He just had an entire month to prove himself…..he got plenty of August AB’s, and he managed to OPS .670 for the month.
A few comparisons, over that same time frame:
Miles – .801
Skip – .775
Molina – .795
So…..you cannot show me any kind of prediction, either preseason or current that would put Craig in the top 4. Craig hasn’t had a top 4 season (not even close) in the bigs this year. AND…..he hasn’t been top 4 in the last month, despite getting consistent playing time.
Sounds to me that you want to CALL him the 4th best hitter, even though there is no proof of that at all.
As for trolling, this isn’t trolling. If you want to talk baseball, talk baseball. I’m done having people start shit b/c they have low self esteem, or whatever your problem is. Going forward, people that attack me and not my thoughts, I’m ignoring. I’m not dealing with the games.
I'm going to have to agree
you can’t JUST say that Craig is your 4th best hitter JUST because he was good in the minor leagues. I realize this will change once he gets more major league at bats
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Even so
taking his great AAA stats, if you projected them to the majors, and he actually lived up to that prediction, I still don’t think that would be top 4. Probably not even top 6-7.
I'd say given how cruddy this team is past the top 3 hitters
he’s probably 5th or 6th best hitter
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If that is true.....
It’s no wonder we stink. There probably won’t be a playoff team one who’s 5th or 6th best hitter isn’t leaps and bounds better than Craig.
our top 2 hitters are so good it makes our team offense look better than it actually is
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the problem with our offense.
Without Rasmus, we have an extremely poor offense that has been plagued but some severe batted ball bad luck.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes, let's make judgments on player ability based on 30 days and a handful of PA's.
I agree that Craig is not the 4th-best option on offense, but the whole, “he just had an entire month to prove himself” logic is just as nonsensical. I don’t think that “entire” should ever be used as an adjective before “month” in baseball.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A month is plenty
of time to analyze the here and now.
We aren’t trying to figure out what kind of potential Craig has for the future. We aren’t trying to figure out next year, the next 5 years, or the next decade. If that were the case, I’d agree with you that a month means squat.
But if you can’t use the season as a whole, and the last month to predict/analyze/evaluate the NOW, then what can you use? The only thing that might be better is simply watching his AB’s. I don’t come away particularly impressed using that method either.
You have disproven your own argument.
In fact, we are attempting to project to the future: tonight’s game.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That is one way of looking at it
I don’t agree though.
If you think Craig’s long term potential has more of an impact on tonight’s game then the last month, well, we just aren’t going to agree. That is ridiculous to me. Craig may never realize his long term potential. Or it may take him 5 years. Or 2 years. Or another year. The chances of that transformation happening tonight? Slim in my mind.
There is no more reason to believe that Craig will reach his potential this week than next July or June 2012.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I disagree
That is like saying a roulette wheel is no more likely to hit a number between 15-30, then it is to hit one. If it’s random, then having more options is more likely. It’s more likely Craig will “find it” in the future, since the future contains a hell of a lot more games then tonight does.
damn that no talent pujols guy
he is stinking up the whole line up
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
One month for a guy that has 10 seasons in the bigs?
Surely you jest.
What ML history does Craig have?
zing!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I just LOVE it when the scout types use stats
They always fuck them up. “See I can use stats too” BAHAHAHAHA
Fire Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Aug 31, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
what about, "oh my god, i am so fucking sick of this entire month of cardinals baseball"?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Miles is hitting .340 on groundballs
No, that is not remotely sustainable—-not even “well kinda”. Michael Bourn hits .260 on groundballs. Just normalizing that and Miles is rocking a .270/.295/.310 type line. The guy blows.
I don’t think Craig is any great shakes, but “better than Miles” is literally the lowest bar possible for a MLB player.
Not afraid to nitpick
In terms of "what player on the active roster is most likely to contribute on offense" during tonight's game if given the opportunity...
I would say it’s
Pujols
Holliday
Rasmus
Craig (if he were on the roster)
Lopez
Jay
Winn
Skip
Feliz/Ryan/Molina
Fire La Russa!
I'd say Jay is 4th best probably
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that could happen
but I doubt it will
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Jaygression will be brutal, but his true talent level is higher than Hart's, so it might not be Hart-esque in magnitude.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
*most likely will be brutal
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the regression is already well underway
if you look at his last 50 PAs: .220/.264/.300
Although I think his true talent level is closer to his slash for the last 90 or so PAs: .277/.326/.699
I think he'll be aroound an .800 OPS guy
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a 732 ops in the PCL last year...
why would he drastically improve that after moving to a tougher league?
Fire La Russa!
Worth pointing out that one factor in it being tougher,
is how much more hitter-friendly the PCL is.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I know that's true for the league...
does Autozone’s pitcher-friendliness overcome the general tilt of the league?
Fire La Russa!
I don't think so, but I could be wrong.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I thought he had an injury or something that lowered that
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That's livable.
Not great, by any means, but livable. As long as he’s got the D to handle RF.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's a bit better than Floppy though
Fire Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Aug 31, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
where is the singles producing machine Miles at???
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Ludwick.
Why is he still on a rehab assignment, anyway?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
he needs to learn how to pull the ball for power, instead of smattering singles around the field.
also, we think the umpire might shank him in the fifth inning.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if Jay is in there for Winn, and feliz and colby are switched, this is actually not bad.
why can’t we ever have ONE lineup that looks good???
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
We had three for the Cincinatti series.
What more do you want?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
RT @JohnMarecek Jason Motte activated, Allen Craig optioned according to #stlcards game notes. Motte has missed last 22 games.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Apparently Craig will return when rosters expand
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
thats good, would hate to have his place on the bench get cold
lord, i really just hope Mo did most of the questionable moves this year at TLRs behest, just so he could turn to DeWitt and say, i did it his way and it imploded, can we move on b4 Pujols walks…..
Stupid roster management again.....
If they wait 2 days, both would be available for the playoffs…..not that we really need to worry about that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Agreed. This year has been very frustrating.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Ah, but
Craig now is available to help Memphis get into their own playoffs.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
13 pitchers
with Suppan being activated on Wednesday? This is bullshit. Leaves three PH on the bench since Tony won’t use the backup catcher before the 14th inning.
There's a reason
this video game has the title it does. The 2010 Cardinals: Tony LaRussa’s Ultimate Baseball!
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Late-season Meltdown
It seems to me LaRussa teams have a history of this. The only time they get in the playoffs is when they coast for the last month. I was faintly disgusted when the ‘06 team backed its way in losing the last, what, 8 games in a row, just because the astros were making a run to put a little pressure on them, and then they won it all (because there were no longer any expectations!) Witness also the ’04 series, and the ’05 nlcs against Houston, and last year’s choke-job (Holliday’s miscue notwithstanding). And his A’s blew one of the all-timers against Kirk Gibson and the Dodgers… (‘88?). Just my impression. I’m not a TLR fan at all – I think he overmanages like crazy – but even aside from giving away games, he winds his teams so tight it’s hard for them to respond positively when the crunch comes.
In 2001
the Cardinals rallied to grab the wild card. That remains the one and only time a LaRussa-managed team came back from as many as five games back in late August to make the playoffs.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
to continue the tony bashing
because, well, I’m bored.
Tony qualities:
- manipulative
- not afraid to use a situation to his advantage, or to be dishonest (sometimes that actually helps the team I must admit, but he kind of breaks even here since sometimes it blows up in his face)
- probably takes things too seriously for the team’s good
- dogmatic
- judgmental
- relies on batting average when it’s been pretty clear for a while now that on base percentage is superior
- has unrealistic views (Miles?)
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
you should really just do that mural.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
donate it to ARF
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That kinda reminds of Gladiator.
When Commodus is listing his qualities to his father……right before he kills him.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that's awesome
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
6 of those 7 can easily be applied to 100% of the human race.
And the 7th (6th in your list) to 99%.
just add the word overly to each one then
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
whatchu talkin bout man???
I knowz what I’m doin!
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
wrote a little email to jason turbow about the nyjer morgan incident
he wrote me back and followed my request with a little article
haven’t read it yet, so i take no responsibility
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
That was a very fair and accurate look at it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So does Tony feel like he has to choose between Jay and Colby
And only start one? I hope not….i hope this was him just wanting to give Jay a rest and not bat too many lefties.
Remember that one time we were in first and he used that same lineup and we won what 5 in a row? The only 5 times he used our best lineup all year long? My god how fucking hard is it, arent mamagers suppose to try and put us in the best situation to win games???
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
should be Jay in right field
who cares about being loyal to his guys. play the 3 best outfielders. simple. and Colby is better at center than Jay is
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't Udderstand why Jay is out and Winn is in, unless Resting Jay....
….and he’s young , he don’t need no rest.
:=8/
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
I am udderly done trying to understand these lineups
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Winn is fucking useless batting righty
Last I saw he was hitting around .100 righty
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 4:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
don't exaggerate
he’s batting .122 against LHP. But for the good news, 7 more PA’s against LHP and Randy gets a $10,000 performance bonus.
oh well I apologize Randall.....
I dont know why I underestimated you. .122 against lefties on this team is actually well worthy of a start in the 2 spot.
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
are you tony larussa in diguise
every time somebody says anything negative about him, you jump at the chance to defend him?
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 30, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The Aaron Miles of his time
So in a few years, Miles will be a big league manager, and he’ll be seeking out his own Proven Veterans™ with GRIT.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
offer aaron miles a role as bench coach or something in palm beach.
tony will find this acceptable, i believe. gritty infielders with little baseball talent are the stuff that managers are made of.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
So now
we’re going to be hiring coaches because of their GRIT.
That means Stavinoha will replace McGwire, too.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
SSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEE
…ahem.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
motte activated, craig sent down.
miles and mr. 8+ ERA are still on the team.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 30, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
Just like someone mentioned a few days ago...
This team is afraid of losing anyone from their roster….god forbid we sent down McDougal and made him available to the rest of the league, im sure there is 20 teams just looking to snatch up a garbage time pitcher who can’t even post 3 outs in a game against the Nats his team is already getting blown out.
by mick311 on Aug 30, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
aha...
dgoold
#Cardinals all gathered around to watch each player get head shaved. Solidarity by buzz cut. #stlcards 25 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
No one touches the Prince Valiant.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Heh heh heh heh
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
he would look hillarious!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
so solidarity by buzz cut?
huh
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
so they are all getting the Lego cut...
well Pujols already had it. hey how many guys still had hair at this point???
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
everyone
only ones with no hair – Lego, Albert, (Feliz), Floppy, maybe K-Mac, Sauce
everyone else i think had plenty hair on their heads
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
skip's hair is pretty short, so is jay's. guess it depends on how short we're talking. colby with a buzz...i'm interested in this.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
ha, maybe "curious" was the better word to use there
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
so long as they get rid of yadi's stupid vanilla ice neck lines
that’s all i want
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
is this where I say 'to the extreeeme'?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ya know I would like to see boog runnin around in Hammer pants..
that would be classic.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
I couldn't take it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How about
solidarity by getting hits with runners in scoring position?
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 30, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
THIS!!!
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
It's not a skill, so I don't know how the club would show solidarity in that situation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
man i hope this works....1/2 the team is buzzed already anyway though
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I'd be day-drinking if I were them, too.
by spants on Aug 30, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
and rec'd
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
How is that not green?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer mustachioed solidarity
If only for the sole purpose to see Colby with a puberty-stache again.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
it was midsummer when they did that
it’s probably too warm to be carrying extra stache.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This may be true
But Carpenter looked like some sort of 70’s pornstar. I can only assume “I don’t give a f*ck! But i’ll sure take one.” Would be his slogan.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
he was against it. the other starters pushed him into it.
he said he would keep it if he won the next start.
he won the next start.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
LOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHSSSSEEE
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe someone will shave The Cat.
………..wait. uh.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
perusing veb
while reading landau is a great way to spend the day.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
Umm
Why the hell is MacDougal still on this team? I can almost understand Craig getting sent down, because that is what this team does. But how in the world can Mo not see that the Little Mac experiment is a complete and total failure?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Who is the last guy we released
From the big league roster? I really don’t remember. That tends to be the type of thing you don’t remember though, so maybe I am missing some obvious names.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 30, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Blaine Boyer?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
That was the name that came to my mind.
I think there might be someone after him but I can’t remember.
I thin BB was the last...
Traded BB for BB, released second BB 2(?) weeks later.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I think this is correct.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah
I should have remembered that. I believe that was the last one. Mo sure cut bait on that one in a hurry.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 30, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Stanley1
First off I like you avatar, nice choice. You seem to have a lot of grit my friend. You have been bombarded with so many comments and stats by people arguing against you view on Allen Craig but yet you plug away undeterred… You are showing the traits of a Proven Vet. I think LaRussa has a spot for you as a middle infielder.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
by shadetree on Aug 30, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
recced so hard.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 30, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I SAW YOU REC IT AND IT WAS RECCED HARD!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
You don't always have to rec it hard
In fact some times it’s not right to do
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Aug 30, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's your favorite dish?
I’m not gonna cook it but I’ll order it from Zanzibar
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm laughing so fucking hard right now that I can hardly type.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't always have to rec her hard
in fact sometimes that’s not right, to do
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 30, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
AWKWARD COMMA
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 30, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i know, just read yours
now i feel awkward
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How thoughtful.
A urinal for conjoined twins.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I say that I don't think Craig has performed well at the majors?
Because he hasn’t. I feel like that gets lost in the conversation — at least for me. It’s more that I don’t think his performance to date is indicative of a mechanical flaw or that it’s predictive given the sample size. If you normalize his wOBA you still get just a .312 when batted balls are considered.
I’ve thought Craig has a major league bat for a while. But he hasn’t been a good hitter so far.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
when he was hitting well they
sent him down i believe that has to take its toll on a guy up down up down up down
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
I've never really liked that about the Cardinals
seems like they do that a lot to young players
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that’s my only issue I have with the Craig love… he really hasn’t been very impressive on the St. Louis team, and a lot of people have been saying matter of factly that he will be a good hitter. sometimes guys don’t pan out
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't hit well for awhile.
Of course, neither has Jay. The last month of the season in RF could be rough. (Of course, this presupposes that Rasmus is in CF…)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well this thread jumped the shark
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
its that dreaded hour of the day where time zones separate the boys from the gay men
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Aug 30, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
wasn't Kyle Lohse bitten by one?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
self FAIL
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Is that what gay horses eat?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
summary so far.
- allen craig is our fourth best hitter, but maybe not
- jon jay hits to all fields, colby pulls the ball and we’re pretty much okay with that.
- azru is not gay but girls really like gay guys which is confusing
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 30, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
weighing in on the craig debate...
since freese went down and luddy got traded, we now have to argue about who our fourth best hitter is, because its absolutely not clear. and not in a good way….in a “holy shit everyone but pujols holliday and colby sucks” kind of way
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
yeah
it’s pretty funny that no one even knows who the 4th best hitter is. there’s no good way to tell right now. gonna have to go with Jay (Craig’s not even on the major league team right now)
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say it's Skip or Jay.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
thats sad
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It changes from day to day.
Certainties: Pujols, Holliday
Better than avg. chance: Colby(if he’s allowed to play)
4th best hitter: Whoever actually gets hits that day outside of those three.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam Wainwright?
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought it was because they dressed nice
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, we had an entire subthread about gay guys without anything getting political
That’s cool.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
The Left Coast is doing things to you.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
merit badge for sum-up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Any confirmation of the tweets
that the Birds are all shaving their heads today, in a symbol of team unity?
/KoomBayah
So I'm in Houston now
Gonna go to the game. BP starts in 10 minutes so hopefully I’ll be able to get a ball signed.
Fire Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Aug 30, 2010 6:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How far ahead of the slated game start time does Houston open up their mallpark?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
(joke about spants not having balls)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 30, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep it up fang
and she may take yours.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oof
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 30, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you went there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
But damn! not something I need to have cross my mind. I think I’ll go get the brain bleach.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell?
you don’t know that.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 30, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well enjoy yourself
I wonder what Miles’s BABIP in BP is…
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
50 game suspension for MiL, testing positive
St. Louis Cardinals Minor League pitchers Jean Carlos De La Cruz and Delvi Rodriguez
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Dominican Summer League
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's just fucking brilliant.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone else having weird mlb.tv problems?
didnt ask for my password, and its like the 2003 version. also, reds up 1-0 ALREADY…
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
ummm
TLR scratched it from the line up and replaced it with miles hitting clean up
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
by shadetree on Aug 30, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
FSH just showed two middle aged guys sitting next to each other
One in an Astros jersey, one in a Cardinals.
Neither looked happy to be there.
So, now TLR is saying that Colby sat yesterday because Tony wanted to give him an extra day of rest?
WTF was all that about yesterday, then?
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 7:54 PM EDT reply actions
it's too bad, really, that we don't have a local variety of david letterman, because this simply screams out for a top ten reasons why tony la russa sat colby.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 30, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Number 10....because he got a haircut.
by TBender on Aug 30, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Number 9....because Tony's cats told him to do it.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Aug 30, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Number 8....Umpire won't accept "Clobby Ramesses" on the line-up card.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Number 7 . . . Colby refused to pay his ARF 'taxes'
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Aug 30, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Number 6.... Jon Jay is a better ball player
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
by shadetree on Aug 30, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Number 5....Tony realized Colby is 0-12 in east coast games that start on Sundays before 2pm against a pitcher with double consonants in his last name.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Aug 30, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
number 4.... Aaron Miles
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
by shadetree on Aug 30, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Number 4 . . . no one does that to my daughters
by bailorg on Aug 30, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Number 3... Tony unable to interpret imreadytogocoachputmeinthedangolballgame
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Number 2 ... Colby spoke to his dad today
"I told you, I don't like to be manhandled!"
by jacksonian on Aug 30, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Number 1... Cause TLR
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
by d-dee on Aug 30, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
NUMBER 1....... TLR'd
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
by shadetree on Aug 30, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well done, everyone.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, excellent effort VEB
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 30, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
for you.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
AL HAS THE SERIES OFF!!!!
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
oh, but Horton is replacing him
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 30, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
"Fresh Tal's in center"
HI GUYS IN THE TRUCK!!!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Aug 30, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
go milawaukay
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 30, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
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"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
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