how to be dumb, vol. 2
by tom s. on Aug 28, 2010 2:52 PM EDT
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Printthere have been several well-thought out comments - which danup addressed in part yesterday - regarding the trade for feliz, and the usage of felipe lopez and brendan ryan in the aftermath of the trade. particularly, there's a huge disconnect between what we were told about the feliz trade - and one of the only explanations that approached making sense - and how the playing time has been distributed after the trade.
first, let's set out some background data on what we're actually discussing. some of the players we are discussing are talented defenders. some are nightmare suckfests of defensive incompetence. take a look below at the numbers for our infielders and their relative skill at various positions.
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player/UZR/150 at |
2b/career |
2b/2010 |
ss/career |
ss/2010 |
3b/career |
3b/2010 |
|
felipe lopez |
-0.8 |
-0.4 |
-10.5 |
-31.8 |
-0.7 |
3.8 |
|
pedro feliz |
-- |
-- |
-18.2 |
-- |
15.6 |
-7.9 |
|
brendan ryan |
-2.4 |
-- |
11.6 |
13.7 |
-2.6 |
-- |
|
aaron miles |
-3.8 |
19.5 |
-18.2 |
13.0 |
-10.4 |
-91.9 |
|
skip schumaker |
-11.6 |
-15.3 |
-- |
-- |
-- |
-- |
in looking at the data above, you quickly notice that the small sample size data from this year is not worth a great deal. aaron miles is not a top-flight shortstop, nor would he likely be worth nine wins below replacement value (negative one pujols, in metric terms) at third over a whole season. ignore this years numbers - he's slightly below average at second, and dreadful at short and third.
the disparity between feliz's 2010 numbers and career numbers have been discussed before, but bear some repeating. feliz for many years was a world-class third baseman. over the last three seasons, his defense has declined. in 2008 and 2009, he was merely a plus third baseman (in the +7 or +8 run region) and this year, he's been described as far below average. i suspect the truth lies somewhere in between and he's a slightly above average third baseman now. he is 35, and expecting substantial defensive dropoff makes sense.
based on his career numbers, lopez is a replacement value defender at 2b and 3b, and significantly below average at short. brendan ryan is putting up consistent numbers and is clearly a great defender at short. skip does not look like he's made the defensive adjustments that we'd hoped. it's an open question whether he makes any sense on the team right now. he's a far below average 2b, about a win worse than anyone else on the list. if he were hitting to his career norms, he'd be worth about a win. right now, he's replacement value.
mo explained the trade by saying that he had polled the pitchers as to whether they preferred getting an offensive star to get more run support or a defensive star to prevent runs behind them. he also cited to felipe lopez's overexposure at third.
"[Lopez] has been playing through some stuff with his knees," Mozeliak said of Lopez. "Also, he was also thrusted to play a position that was not his natural position and when you look at when this club was playing its best, we had David Freese in the lineup and then had Felipe being able to play multiple positions. This will allow is to do that. By no certainty are we going to necessarily play Feliz every day but it’s just going to give Tony a much more flexible lineup and I think defensively, it’s a big help to us immediately."
as an aside, in looking back, it's remarkable to me - maybe not surprising, but remarkable in its literal sense - that in the round-table of commentators reviewing the trade for the p-d, the response of "well, we had to do something" echoed in one way or another from most of the members of that distinguished baseball loya jirga. derrek goold ("the smart one") and our own VEBfather, larry borowski, were the only ones to point out that "doing something" in a tough situation is not better than doing nothing when the player makes your team worse.
let's say you are stuck in a room, and the door is locked, and the room is filling with poison gas, and the only furniture in the room is a table and a toaster, and there are no windows, and it becomes clear that you are going to die. "doing something" may seem like a good idea. putting your penis in the toaster and turning it on constitutes "doing something." now you are still going to die, and your penis really hurts. in fact, what little chance you had of escaping the situation is diminished, because now you can only think about the fact that your dick hurts. the moral of this story is: "doing something" without regard to whether it "makes things better" is actually a bad idea, and may compound a challenging situation.
take a look at the below table. this shows the usage of players in the nine games before and after our trade for feliz. prior to the trade, we had settled into a regular lopez at 3b, ryan at ss, and schumaker at 2b, with some spot appearances by aaron miles at 2b and one start by craig at third.
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player/innings at |
innings before trade |
inningsafter trade |
|
felipe lopez (ss) |
0 |
16.33 |
|
felipe lopez (2b) |
0 |
28 |
|
felipe lopez (3b) |
63 |
0 |
|
pedro feliz (3b) |
0 |
73.33 |
|
brendan ryan (ss) |
72 |
53 |
|
aaron miles (2b) |
15 |
11.33 |
|
skip schumaker (2b) |
57 |
30 |
now, after the trade, brendan ryan's innings at short have been cut substantially, even though he's an even better defender at short than feliz at third. schumaker's innings at second have taken a serious hit, which would be fine if lopez were taking all of them, rather than leaving miles to get regular time as a replacement value type. aaron miles innings have hardly dipped at all.
i think there's very little doubt that the usage of feliz and ryan and lopez (at short) has made the team defensively WEAKER, not stronger. feliz is -- and i'm being generous here -- a replacement value player today. i still think the internal options were better. feliz probably makes the most sense for this team as a replacement to spell lopez at third, not as an everyday player. in fact, that usage was what mo had suggested as the intent for feliz. instead, we've seen a dramatic cutback in the innings of other, better players. i hope this trend does not continue.
there's no doubt that a four-man infield was not working for the cards prior to the trade. the club had some nice internal options, however, in tyler greene and ruben gotay. if the scuttlebutt is correct that tyler greene went to the DL rather than accept a demotion, then that raises the question of why on earth we would demote him. it seems fairly clear that the net effect of these switches has been to make the team worse defensively, rather than better, especially when we have lopez at short and schumaker or miles at second while brendan ryan sits.
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Mo needs to stop giving TLR choices
I think its common knowledge at this point that the ideal TLR team would have 13 pitchers, 11 utility infielders, and Albert Pujols. Every year it seems like some slight ludicrous or at best, moot deal comes up for the second half of the season and we load up on utility infielders (DeRosa, Belliard, Lugo, and this year’s logjam). Is there any way to Susan Powers this thing and stop the insanity?
this
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
that looks like a lineup i would like
by Expatcardfan on Aug 28, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you tom
forward this information along to TLR. (Along with offensive numbers for each for the last month)
Along those lines, could someone make their way down to the dugout soon and scream at LaRussa that Brendan Ryan is the only player on this team that should get ANY regular time at SS? I’m offering my entire fortune of internet money, somewhere around $120 million internet dollars.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yep
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
lineup
schu – 9
lopez – 4
pujols – 3
holliday – 7
jay – 8
feliz – 5
anderson – 2
ryan – 6
lohse – 1
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
"day to day"
if he’s not out there to catch carp, i’ll be worried
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
schu starting in the OF...when's the last time that happened?
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
by hr on Aug 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the middle 3 of 4?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 28, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't it depend on the brand?
westinghouse = good
kenymore = bad
ge = bad
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Jon Jay -> .327 wOBAr this year
http://statcorner.com/batter.php?id=445055
Basically, he’d have a .327 wOBA if his BABIP matched his batted ball profile.
So an average-ish player?
That’s seems about right to me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
average offense, bad position, + defense
Not bad, and I think he has some upside with his power and walk rates as well.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 28, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And Ryan Ludwick's is .344.
Sigh.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's an incomplete analysis, don't you think?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Really?
Because, tonight, RFL would be in RF instead of Skip and Jay would be CF.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And you'd have Soup or Hawk pitching in a rotation with Lohse.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 28, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Westbrook has been better than decent
but this move has not helped the team at all in the standings. Hopefully that turns around soon.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Of course, it is.
That’s kind of the point. Ryan Ludwick would have caught that. (This phrase has oh so many applications.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Re-posting from the other thread. Gibson's home run in RBI Baseball.
Nice way to spend 10 minutes while waiting for the game, made especially worth it by listening to the Scully call. And RBI Baseball is so kawaii.
"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10
No Jack Buck call?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Kawaii?
Anomalous Female Teenage Handwriting
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 28, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
can someone w/ mod privileges post a gamethread?
My computer exploded.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Aug 28, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
same time as yesterday
7:05 ET/6:05 CT
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
by hr on Aug 28, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
tomorrow you get your wish. 1:35 ET, 12:35 CT
Actually, I'm in New Orleans now, so that's a lunch game
by vivaelpujols on Aug 28, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
no, I love waking up to baseball
I’ve been in NOLA for a week – jsut visiting.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 28, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting your Big Easy on?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 28, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I like morning baseball, too.
Coffee, eggs and bacon, the Sunday paper and the Cards.
"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10
11:35 mdt
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 28, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
welcome to MASN country
blame Peter Angelos
by Expatcardfan on Aug 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wtf!!! When the hell is Colby coming back???
I thought they said Saturday….man that sucks. I bet he probably can play but TLR is fine with sitting him. I was really hoping he would be back today…. :(
by mick311 on Aug 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
dingdangolegatorpit
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If he is not physically ready, I'd rather wait another two days than have him aggravate it like RFL and miss a month.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yes
I would have preferred he was DL’d, but …aww, the hell with it.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
they might as well get it over with
and trade him for Millwood already
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Using the Statcorner link VEP posted,
Skip Schumaker’s wOBA, adjusted for park and batted ball rates, is .339. And, after an unlucky start, Schumaker has slowly pulled his numbers out of the black hole and they continue to inch upward. He is terrible at defense, but his season has been rather unlucky.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i was posting those numbers in june telling people not to freak out
boog is also having a pretty unlucky year
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I definitely agree about Boog
His strikeout rate is better, his walk rate is better, his LD rate is slightly worse, IF rate is slightly worse. The .242 BABIP is really fucking his season in the ass.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 28, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yadi's is .329, too.
The Cards have been hit by three bouts of bad luck for regular position players and it has been tough to overcome.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Exactly, and this is why I'm not worried about this team
We’ve gotten unlucky as hell with injuries and underpformances, yet our Pythag expectation is for a 95 win team. If it weren’t for the (random) run distribution unluckiness, nobody would be complaining.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet
he’s still got 1 WAR so far IIRC. I’d say he’s probably a league average shortstop and should definitely be there every day.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 29, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
do we blame mcgwire yet?
/tongue-in-cheek
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hmm
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You should just start reading threads from about three months ago on.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
but we agree that his defense has not been unlucky.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
So, serious question, why not try Skip at third?
He can’t be any worse there than at second, and at least playing third would highlight his arm.
He doesn't look like a third baseman
Duh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
NOT TALL ENOUGH.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This is a very good question.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but then he could play second
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, wasn't he a SS at Cal Fullerton or something?
and the reasoning to moving him to the OF was because “he looks like an outfielder”?
by Expatcardfan on Aug 28, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't believe this is true
who would think Skip looks like an OF’er?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
true
I’d place him singing for Maroon 5
by Expatcardfan on Aug 28, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
He only played the infield his freshman season of college, and was moved to the outfield because he played the infield then pretty much the same way he plays it now.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 28, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
that inmate's name was Monster, right?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
these are more good reasons to add to the pile for the Fire TLR crowd
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting, but
I suspect this is SSS issue. Let’s give it two more weeks. I suspect this will normalize with Ryan getting most of the innings at SS. Basically they put Feliz at 3B every night and have given Ryan a few days off.
Why is Colby always sitting? Isn’t his guy in the prime of his life? I think it very odd that someone his age seems to be out all the time with age 35 type injuries. This has been going on for two years.
Do the Cards make any more deals before 8/31? I’d really like to see them get Johnson. He would give us some pop in the lineup and push Miles and Schu to the sidelines.
Just win
kj would be nice to add, but
miles would stay
can he not play the outfield too still?
he could easily replace stav on the 40 man
re waivers
notice that fuentes is now a twin?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Remember when TLR was openly lobbying for Fuentes when he was a FA?
Boy am I glad the Cards didn’t sign Fuentes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I agree, but $10MM for Fuentes is exceptionally crazy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
nice post tom
to sit and watch the games, you get the feeling this is what is happening inning distribution wise-and would be more skewed if tlr had left floppy at short the other day.
re last night, though, i commented (but did not scream) when tlr double-switched when boggs came in. i think folks are so used to it, not much is really said, but in your analysis, i think one thing that also comes to light is the double switching. last night, for example, we are ahead and tlr double switches for garcia. if we were behind i could see it, but why put lower level defenders in the game and lose flexibility over one pitcher at bat? most managers (even earlier versions of tlr) would make defensive replacements late in games when ahead. any clue why tlr opts for less defense? it is almost robotic with him now with the double-switches. so it’s is not only erron miles innings in the field, it is in which parts of which games it happens that makes it even worse than a straight inning-to-inning comparison.
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
OT question for defense ratings people
Can you get ratings based on stadium played in? Such as UZR or any defense stat based on the ballpark? It seems like the OF in Washington is tough on outfielders: bad jumps, misplayed balls, etc. We all know things like Candlestick and the Metrodome were murder on outfielders, but are good stats available on this?
So far as I know
that sort of breakdown doesn’t exist. I could be wrong, though.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
even if so
if we’re talking about individual fielders, it’s gonna be hard to get a large enough sample aside form cases where it’s been a guys’ home field for about 4 consecutive season
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Very true.
Even if we had such numbers they would all fall under small sample size issues, though I think what Expat is proposing is looking at specific parks to see if they consistently cause problems for most or all players, rather than just looking at individual players to see if they play well or poorly in certain parks. In that case the data MIGHT be useful, but then again maybe not.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 28, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
example
lets say that Busch 3 is just an easy park for CFers. Rasmus and Jay are both thought to be pretty + guys out there, but if half of their attempts are in an easy park, then it would seem to follow that any CFer would look good out there, so maybe offense should be a better focus for that position than you’d assume. and vice versa: maybe SF is impossible for most CFers, so you might value defense more there. just an idea. throwing it out there.
by Expatcardfan on Aug 28, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm just curious
I’m thinking macro data here. how does any LFers rating look in STL vs. Colorado. home, away, gold glover or rookie. it just seems odd that the last 3 games i’ve been to in DC i’ve seen a lot of outfielders look bad when they shouldn’t. just curious if we can get measurements on that, and maybe how it affects ballpark effect on players.
by Expatcardfan on Aug 28, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe better
Only measure visiting teams. That takes out the Manny Ramirez effect on Dodgers stadium. But if we could measure defensive statistics for every visiting left fielder in LA, then I think we could get some sort of good idea of what that park is like, and how much defense should be valued there.
by Expatcardfan on Aug 28, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Me Gusto Tired
Was supposed to get off at 1PM and been working since 6am. Co-Worker to relieve me has not come and won’t answer his calls. Management wants me to stay till 10:30PM.
or, rather,
tired does not please me. you are an odd guy
or perhaps bad at talk spanish
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Actually, it's "I do not please me tired"
Gusto is first person.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
also, holy shit
you need a new job. you were complaining about something very similar very recently
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I agree.
Management needs to find someone to come in and relieve you. If TLR were your manager, he would have already brought in a LOOGY and then a righty.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
who are you kidding
miles would definitely be in there for him by now
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Unless he was Yadi
Then Tony would play him until his knees burst.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 28, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes i have complained about it in the past
This guy is always super late and dragging down my world. They hired a new guy and he came in high as shit yesterday. I am not talking about weed either. Looked like he he was on heroin or something. This is my part time job that I am still putting 50 hours a week into since everyone else is calling in.
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason I even got a part time job was for heatlh insurance
My other job is a 1099 so I can’t get heath insurance. God Bless America.
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ever since I got COD Modern Warfare II
and used it to re-size the screen on my TV, I can’t see the score in the top corner. It cuts out the team names. Annoying
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i know
I’ve been through all the settings on the tv to no avail. I think I just need to put the game back in and re-adjust it. I don’t know why that would be the only way to adjust it though.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Now we have Skip Schumaker starting a corner outfield position...
I’m ready for some good old-fashioned, non-genius managing…
Fire La Russa!
that'd be nice
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This post is disgusting.
I would like to lodge a formal complaint about the falling standards around this place. Mr. tom s, whoever he really is, starts off just fine but then ruins the whole thing with the filth in his later paragraphs. Just uncalled for.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
go eff a toaster
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Aug 28, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but I seem to recall you describing an encounter (of the steamy, burnt and buttered variety)
you had with a toaster on this very website! The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 28, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
"steamy, burnt and buttered"
The Aaron Schafer story.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 28, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd read it
especially given the inevitable focus on sexy sexy toasters and the resulting patterns the burns will form on the ever so sensitive man-flesh
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 28, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ok it's getting a little weird in here...
i mean, a toaster: sexy? Just because they’re ever so warm and they say “hello” and “how are you?” with genuine interest and just a tinge of come-hither sleaze and provide me with toast and waffles and very little of the derision typically found in a mental ward
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 28, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
don't forget bagels and lox
with a little cream cheese? that’s a great way to say “good morning, sunshine”. Scandinavians do it right.
by Expatcardfan on Aug 28, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. Not cool.
That makes me sound like I hang out in a trenchcoat behind a Waffle House. And I’ll have you all know I don’t do that anymore hardly at all.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 28, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah too warm for a trench coat this time of year
better to go with the ol’ halter top/roller skates/no pants combo
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 28, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
How in the hell do you people
know what I do on the weekends? I’m going to check my house for cameras.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 28, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
internet celebrities have no right to privacy
I checked it out with civillibertiesnation’s lead blogger on the subject, who, for what it’s worth, spends his weekends buying and selling bootleg copies of Windows XP in Bangkok.
I spent one night in Bangkok
made me humble
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 28, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
oh hey hey wait umm, hey uh, just... uhhh
no need to get all paranoid. i suggest you avoid looking for cameras. completely forget your concerns over being monitored at all times. do not seek out cameras. looking for cameras will be a waste of time, clearly. just go about your normal routine but perhaps do it with less clothes and maybe smile more.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 28, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You ever hear the new release date for the extended Metropolis
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The Lang film?
Making the rounds in theaters, DVD to be released Nov. 21.
"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10
yeah they found another 25 mins down in Argentina
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
if he moves on the Denny's we should be worried, that means he's hit rock bottom
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
damn you guys
came to work, got all my windows open and lost track of time reading VEB. now i’m late logging in
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
i wasted my whole day
studying cell theory and structure
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
and now i get to waste the rest of it
fixing stupid people’s computers
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
wish I woulda been outside but I didn’t even wake up til after 1pm
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S THE RULES. DON'T DO THE WAVE.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's on that fan's shirt
bleacher fixture. can’t come back due to health problems.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so how do you suggest the Cards fix their current MIF problems?
besides getting rid of TLR, because he will forever insist on having too many guys on the team who can play a lot of positions, but can’t play them very well. even if MO got a real 2nd & 3rd who were + defenders & average hitters TLR would not play them all the time.
from what i can tell the Cards have 3 problems. 1. is the manager. 2. is they don’t have very good MIF’s & 3. is they don’t any good options in the minors at MIF to replace or back up their not very good MIF’s.
so what do they do?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Start Ryan every day, and platoon Floppy and Skippy
by vivaelpujols on Aug 28, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i forgot to say i assume come late 2011 Cox is at 2nd if he stays healthy
or at least by 2012 he’s at 2nd which fixes one problem
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
this
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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