Albert Pujols's 400th home run; the Cardinals' 400th come-from-behind loss
by DanUpBaby on Aug 27, 2010 6:01 AM EDT
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First order of business: by the time you read this Albert Pujols will have been credited with his 400th home run on Baseball Reference, which means that it will really have happened. I don't have anything valedictory to say, except that for anyone else to break up Stan Musial's longstanding hold on the Cardinals' extra-base hit records—725 doubles, 177 triples, 475 home runs—would seem somehow wrong.
For a lot of players—I'm looking at Jim Edmonds, who would make my offseason if he decided to limp back here for the last nine next year—400 home runs is a career-making occasion, but for Albert Pujols it's just 400 down.
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I feel fatigued by all this. It's not that the losses are killing me, because I'm pretty inured to that by now—it's that they're losing in a way that's both really unique and easily predictable. These labyrinthine comebacks, the failures in the back of the bullpen, the failures in the front of the bullpen.
Randy Winn swinging from the right side like an action figure with a few joints too many for a crucial RBI—and lest it get lost in our 2010 jeremiads, the most anonymous member of the team had what would have been a wonderfully memorable game if it had turned out the Cardinals' way. (Before yesterday's game Winn, incidentally, had had Baseball-Reference's WAR pegged at 0.0 for at least a week—most recently zero batting runs, one baserunning run, -4 fielding runs, -1 for position, and +3 for replacement level.)
There are only so many things to say about a team that loses so creatively when you've taken your blogger oath and forsworn all unverifiable, unsourced claims toward a failure of team vitality or attitude or anything else that could be cured with a patent medicine, possibly Dr. La Russa's Indignation Fortifier And Mistrust Reinforcing Serum. Assume this team doesn't have a crippling character flaw that Joe Strauss will presently be pointing out—and as a member of the non-press, with no access at all, I'd have to assume it didn't exist even if I thought it might, because I have no way of knowing—and you're left with some bad decisions, some bad play, and a lot of awful coincidence.
Specifically, though, there are a few things worth talking about. For one thing: Felipe Lopez should apparently never be playing shortstop. Somebody made this point in the comments: If he can't play third base, what's he doing playing short? Brendan Ryan's defense, especially now that he's hitting (maybe there's something to the way people vote for Gold Gloves, after all) has been even more impressive than last year, when we didn't see it coming, and given Lopez's hitting problems the Cardinals can't afford to lose it.
His catch against Adam Kennedy to save the game is worth sitting through a 15-second Blackberry ad to watch again, especially for FSN Midwest's camera angle on the replay; Kennedy does his little loopy swing, Ryan reacts almost immediately, and then goes into a weirdly athletic sprinting dive almost from the moment he leaves short. It's like he's being oriented toward the ball by gyroscope.
I wasn't very excited to see Ryan Franklin out for a second inning, either, but having not done the research on relief pitchers and second innings I can only attribute that to a bias against Franklin's style and history of pitching, since he's actually had a pretty good year to date. He's maintained the ultra-low walk rate that characterized his excellent 2007 and 2009 without falling, yet, into the walk-filled morass that characterized the second halves of his excellent 2007 and 2009. Which is good!
But really this game—and this season—was as much about the things the Cardinals couldn't (or shouldn't) plan for as it was what they failed to execute. Chris Carpenter gave up six runs; Matt Holliday was nearly injured and Albert Pujols nearly injured himself.
Pull the frame back out and it's the same story for the season as a whole: The Cardinals have fallen short in a lot of ways, but there are only so many contingency plans a team can have for third base, or wins a team can ascribe to the hypothetical 2010 Reds.
Anyway: four games. It can be done. It should start with Jaime Garcia up against Scott Olsen, who's actually coping pretty well with his vanishing strikeout rate. (Tomorrow's lede today, hopeful dep't: But not well enough!!)
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I had to sit through a 15 second Joe Girardi Dove Journey to Comfort ad, but it was still worth it.
This entire season has been a journey to exasperation.
I constantly have to question myself when I have gut reactions to things Tony does. I fully realize that people get critical in an irrational way when things go bad, and despite all his flaws La Russa gets lots of unfair criticism. But seriously… now that we have Feliz to save Lopez from playing third base every day, Lopez is suddenly our starting short stop??? I expect some sort of Chewbacca Defense, because this does not. Make. Sense, your honor!
Anyway, the game was the usual insanity. I’m pretty sure that, since May or so, I’ve used the phrase “you’ve got to be [Carp]-ing kidding me!!!” more often than I have in the last three years or so.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I don't normally swear.
But my husband has pointed out to me the number of times I have yelled “fuck – you’ve got to be kidding me” at the TV this year.
I say it’s just unusual circumstances and totally understandable.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
"...the whole point of swearin' is that it ain't appropriate!"
If I had to pick one TESS moment from this year, I don’t even know where to begin. Last night was kind of a TESS night, but there have been many games that could easily compete.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the only thing that keeps last night from being a TESS moment
is that, as DanUp pointed out above, you could see this coming all night. Totally expected.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Hm.
That’s a good point. TESS was a huge lead that we blew to the Pirates, right? I guess this is different. We need a more specific acronym for this year’s brand of heartbreak.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
not exactly an "acronym"
but fits nonetheless.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Illini type season - "ITS"
Love me some Illini, but I’ve been disheartened by them in grids and hoops quite routinely….. High hopes, low play…….
At least the Cards have a LEGITIMATE chance every year, right?
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Yep,
just like the homer by Bernidina. You could see that coming the minute Franky threw his first pitch to him. I was actually hoping for a walk in that case.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 27, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
my yelling this year has consisted exclusively of
“what the fuck is this!!!” and “what the fuck are you doing????”
i am surprised the fcc hasn’t put a ban on me yet
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I've been partial to
unbefuckinglieveable.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I thought it was
unfuckingbelievable
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I find that putting the "be" before the fucking
gets the point across better.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Kinda like "ri-goddamn-diculous"
“Un” is just a prefix, so I kinda like the idea of splitting up the be- with the -lievable. But “unfuckingbelievable” is a lot easier to say.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
yes. it scans better.
though perhaps with a different accent, it might be quite emphatic.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder which way Felonius prefers?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
un-be-fucking-lievable
I don’t think I’ve ever said “un-fucking-believable”. Maybe the odd time. I agree that the “un-be-fucking-lievable” really puts the stress on the profanity, which is how I like it.
I also quite like “ricockulous” instead of “ridiculous”. Not really sure why.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
once again, VEB teaches us something new
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Great minds...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ridonkulous
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
check my ufb's
there’s a shitload
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
un-be-fucking-lievable
Like it. Sounds nice reverberating off the wall in my mother’s basement.
You have to emphasize every syllable
to get the full effect.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i haven't been on for months
that’s to say, i haven’t commented in months. anyway, hi. i blame LaRussa for almost everything. it’s been his worst season and he’s gotta go. this probably reads like a parody of a post, but i suspect he’s already on his way out. Pinellia and Cox are only making it easier.
by CircumSwoop on Aug 27, 2010 7:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I long for the days
of a normal manager, who does normal things, somebody bland, dull and boring, about whom nobody ever would devote a chapter of a book, or an entire book, or magazine articles analyzing his managerial acumen.
I want a manager that makes the Baseball Tonight crew actually pause for a moment to try to remember his name.
Someone who might have an ego, but we’d never know it. A manager who simply gets his players prepared for the game, trots out the best lineup possible night after night, and is content to be aligned with the goals of the organization — not using that night’s game as his personal little laboratory to test his pet theories.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Like that guy from tampa Bay
see -you’re right! Can’t remember his name, but they win (now)…. Dave something, right?
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
That guy with the Buddy Holly glasses in that vitamin commercial or whatever?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yep
“That guy” has a team that is neck and neck with the highest payroll in baseball…. Big Bopper would be proud.
Cito Gaston is another one of those guys. Ya, you know his name, but he’s just a straight up ball coach. Nothing flashy, no algebra used to come up with a lineup. Just a good manager.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Cito Gaston is a great name.
I wonder how many people don’t know Joe Maddon’s name despite how awesome the Rays are.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'd wager not that many.
He’s pretty well known, though probably not by people that don’t follow baseball, like a Torre or TLR might be.
Maddon's pretty smart as well
I like Terry Francona too.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
longing for the days of a normal manager...
someone made a comment last night about how Washington still had their original starting lineup in the game, while the cards were double switched into oblivion (mental blankness).
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
not that there wouldn't have been a little switching
but the Holliday injury really hamstrung the Cards last night.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
i think tony does all the double switching in the late innings
because he wants to win right away, that very inning and not play forever
therefore he has no contingency plan for the 13th, 20th etc. (except for boog pitching in the 25th)
i fully expected miles to pitch if the bullpen didn’t blow it
i can see tlr’s reasoning behind a lot of his decisions even though i might have done it a little different
bottom line though, i believe in many ways he’s way smarter than i am, so i don’t call for fire tony larussa
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
That is the problem, after all.
LaRussa probably is the smartest manager in baseball. Unfortunately, he feels the need to prove he’s the smartest man in the room.
Give me a dumb guy just interested in winning and having the best team on the field at all times over a guy who has a compulsion to tinker.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
LaRussa used to be the smartest manager in baseball
Now he is just a caricature of himself.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
managing is ridiculously easy, really, from a tactical standpoint. Compared to “proper” team sports (assuming baseball is essentially a game made up of lots of different individual contests and no real team work required) there’s really very little to it, yet bad managers seem to goof things up horribly all the time. The bar is REALLY low in terms of baseball managers, IMO, and I’d say TLR’s about average, maybe a tick below. I’d say the same thing about GMs and Mo’s place in their heirarchy too.
The one thing he does well is keeping the team reasonably focussed and “professional”, but even in that regard you can argue there’ve been some problems lately.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes I think the qualifications for being a manager are:
1. You’ve been a manager before
2. You’ve played professional baseball
3. You’re kind of old and crotchety looking
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
5. Must have a blank, uninterested gaze 90% of the time
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
dumbest rule
that coaches have to wear a uniform. this is the case all the way down to the high school levels with is flipping ridiculous.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
i've wondered about that too
but if that weren’t the rule, imagine the jean shirts and jorts we’ll have to look at in the dugout. i’d rather look at an old dude with a gut in a uniform with short legs than the same guy in an affliction tshirt
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I wish for a return to
seersucker and straw boaters. If I ever become commissioner, you can damn sure bet there will be some changes.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I might be the only person who actually likes that the managers wear uniforms
It’s weird and silly and it has been around long enough to call it “tradition” so I am OK with it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 27, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then I'm guessing you've never been a mid-30s (or older)
regular guy wearing a baseball uniform coaching high school baseball.
It’s not attractive.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I'm assuming you're talking about MLB managers
(and I’d probably have to agree) but the lower you get, the job gets much harder.
Just more can happen.
I’ve coached high school baseball in one of Illinois’ most competitve conferences (if not the most competitive) and the level of head coach involvement is extremely high. Most people think baseball moves at a very slow pace. It doesn’t when you are making decisions and changing things every single pitch.
The thing about high school (and college) ball is the level of talent is much less so there’s more to be able to take advantage of. We ran pick off and steal plays all the time. The most you see in a typical mlb game is a hit and run, although if you know what your looking for, you do see the other stuff but sometimes I’m convinced the players are doing it on their own.
Anyway, just felt I needed to stand up for my fellow baseball coaches out there.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Don't worry, I was just talking about MLB managers.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
so you're saying you want GDM to manage?
may the GOB’s have mercy on your long lost soul
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Definitely...
I had to turn it off after watching Flop sail that easy toss whey over Albert’s head: I pretty mooch knew what kind of game it was gonna be, and when I peeked back later I was not surprised to see that Boog had replaced Flop at Short. I do not believe we will see Flop at SS the rest of the year, or 3B for that matter – he has played himself into a 2B platoon with Skip, who had a very nice game by the way.
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
so MooCow
do you blame Jason Marquis?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
he was in the game
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I sure hope not!
I’ve been complaining about Floppy’s starts at short since Feliz came. Like mattybobo said in the first post above, if he’s not good enough to play third, why the holy hell does he get a week’s worth of starts at short, ESPECIALLY when Brendan’s outhitting him lately.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
But who decided it was a good idea to start Floppy at SS, eh?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
After signing a terrible hitter because Floppy isn't good enough to field at 3B...
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan can't start every game, although I'd argue he 'should' be starting damn near every one.
Would you rather see Miles at short? Skip?
I don’t ‘like’ seeing Lopez on the left side of the infield, but he’s a perfectly respectable backup infielder, for the cost.
He had the night before off
as the starter, at least.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 27, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and the night before that
that was the 3rd consecutive start at SS for lopez, IIRC
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Why can't Ryan start every game?
Serious question? The guy’s as fit as anyone in baseball, besides he just had a day off the night before.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Because
This
Only Boog’s isn’t so elegant
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sure he's tricked it out by now
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Boog!
That’s Red Schoendienst, not the Red Baron! Stop shooting!
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude.
Not cool
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
???
No misguided cartoon violence? Ok.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I was having second thoughts about the medical rider anyway.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Booo Continental.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, is it really any of the insurance company's business
what a man and a consenting small appliance get up to in the privacy of their own kitchen? I feel so oppressed.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I suppose that's fair.
However, given it’s a team requirement, they totally won’t cover us without getting their noses all in our — ahem — business. It’s sad, really.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
don't mess with Red
Skip’s part of his posse.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad we don't have anyone in the minors who can play SS right now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
THOSE EYES
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I understand it's technically on MO, but still.
Annoying.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Mo needs to put Tony in his place more often
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the reasons I'm losing faith in MO
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
What is Mo supposed to do?
Tony has so much more power than him.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
that’s why dictator tony needs to go
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, but remember how things went down
when Mo forced Anthony Reyes on to the opening day roster? That was Mozeliak’s biggest victory to date in terms of butting heads with Tony la Russa.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That was MO?
I thought Jocketty was still the GM. I kinda consider trading Chris Duncan to be his biggest victory.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Nope.
Mozeliak was the one who got Anthony on as a reliever in 2008.
And speaking of Chris Duncan, remember how ugly that situation became? Now ask yourself: would any other GM in baseball have to go through all that from his field staff for trading a .170 hitter who can’t play in the field?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I see, I didn't realize which year you were talking about.
And I was really really impressed with the Chris Duncan thing. Which makes some of the stuff that has gone on this year all the more baffling.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i'm ready for a totally new FO & coaching staff
throw all the bums out
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
not a tony guy
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i tried to warn you all about Floppy, but did anyone listen to me? nooooooooooooo
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Two obvious moves
1. Starting Flip at SS, leads to 3 runs in the 3rd.
2. Sending Franklin out for a second inning.
But yeah, Carp wasn’t fooling anyone.
by paposse on Aug 27, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Flip has played fairly well at SS this year.....
Most of his struggles have been at 3B. And Ryan makes errors too. He isn’t perfect. His defense has probably cost us a game or two also this year.
As for Franklin, I’m torn. His first inning of work wasn’t overly taxing, and we didn’t have many bullpen options left. Salas would have been about it. I refuse to believe that b/c it was his second inning, that is why Franklin got lit up. He just didn’t pitch well. It happens. And if we’d have brought Salas in, and he got bombed, I’m sure the same folks would be bashing TLR for taking our closer out of a game, when his first inning went so well. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
The players lost this one. They had chances, and didn’t get the job done. Not getting runners in from third, Boog not advancing the runner from 2nd to 3rd with nobody out. Stuff like that. The Cardinals used to win b/c we did those things. Now we lose b/c we aren’t.
I thought Felipe has played OK at third this year
All caveats about UZR apply here, but his numbers are decent at 2B and 3B, and brutal at SS.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
And yet there is no torch-bearing VEB Posse clammoring for Flop's hide...
…when he clearly cost us the game, as opposed to those screaming for Miles’ blood when he has not. A bit unfair, me thinks…
:=8/
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
I DON'T WANNA SEE LOPEZ ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE INFIELD AGAIN THIS SEASON!!
it’s getting to the point that I don’t wanna see him come to the plate either. Lopez has been so frustrating this second half of the season. It almost makes one think his reputation has been earned.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yes there is
it’s in the game thread.
i think they’re exhausted. pitchforks are heavy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the difference is
Lopez is a good player when properly utilized. Miles just shouldn’t be on the roster of a competitive team in the first place, regardless of where he starts (when he starts). First of all, the logic of getting Feliz was that Lopez was overexposed at third base and was struggling. So Tony naturally keeps putting him in the lineup, at a tougher position, which is clearly his worst defensively, to boot.
I agree that any personal attacks at Miles are unwarranted, but that doesn’t mean we should also personally attack Lopez.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
PSSHAW
at this point, I’m ready for this team to clean house. Either this team has absolutely no chemistry, or they really don’t care. Outside of APu, Waino, Carp, Boog, and Molina, it just seems this team is okay with lying down.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pujols attitude this season, IMO, has been quite bad actually.
As bad as anyone on the roster for lollygagging, mental errors, and either chewing out or not supporting his team-mates when they make mistakes etc.
I’m not sure I’d cast him as whiter than white, personally.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That may or may not be true. I wouldn't argue that you are wrong
but at least we know Albert hasn’t given up. He is back to producing like his ridiculous self.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm willing to give Albert a bit of a pass
when it comes to ‘lollygagging’. If he doesn’t run hard on a ground ball, it isn’t the end of the world, in my book. If someone with decent legs and no nagging injuries (Lopez) doesn’t run hard on a double play ball, however, I (and apparently, TLR) won’t give them that leeway.
lopez
had fluid drained from his knee recently but i see ur point
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
I like Lopez on the team, as a backup/flex guy at all 3 infield positions. I don’t even ‘mind’ him getting the occasional start at short or third, just the frequency of him on the left side should be cut down a good bit.
He’s a good value to the team at his current contract, and he’s superior to any other options we have in the system. I’d just like to have Greene on the roster instead of Miles.
The players are who they are.
Lopez is not good at defense, Pedro Feliz isn’t that great at hitting, Ryan is erratic at the plate but smooth in the field, Molina shouldn’t swing away with one out and a runner on first unless it’s a hit-and-run since a GIDP is certain to follow …
The problem is a manager who stubbornly insists on his “instincts” rather than obvious quantitative evidence advising against putting those players in positions where they are likely to fail.
Why LaRussa ever got tagged with his genius label is beyond me. The reason he has been a winning manager has nothing to do with his instincts and everything with Harold Baines, Ron Kittle, LaMarr Hoyt, Richard Dotson, Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, Dave Stewart, Eck, Albert, Edmonds, Rolen, Carp, Matty Mo, and the rest of the players he’s managed.
Let’s see how long people consider LaRussa a genius when he’s managing Baltimore or Kansas City. I’d LOVE for LaRussa to go back to Oakland and see how he works with Billy Beane.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget Dave Duncan
Dave Stewart, Eck, et al. wouldn’t have been as great as they were with the A’s without Dunc. He obviously made a difference w/Carp too.
matty ur correct that Lopez was overexposed
which led to a lot of pressure on Felipe…im fine with him backing up at middle infield (SS included) but Felipe had started the previous 3 games…so it was time for a break
when i saw the lineup card for a 4tth start!!?? ridiculous after the previous performance…and i like lopez.
secondly, TLR gave a complete bullshit excuse “i ldidnt ike the matchup w/ zimmermann and brendan” when the guy has only played one shortened 09 season and then you have no data on him for ’10
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez is competent
Miles is bad.
That’s why.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
OH FOR FUCKS SAKE
I’VE SAID FROM DAY FUCKING ONE THAT FUCKING FLOPPY WOULD BE A EPIC TOTAL FUCKING FAIL & ALL YOU BASTARDS IGNORED ME & FUCKING TOLD ME HE WASN’T FUCKING BAD & WOULD HIT & THAT’S ALL THE FUCKING TEAM NEEDED HIM TO FUCKING DO. WELL HOW’S THAT FUCKING WORKING OUT FOR EVERYONE NOW? HE CAN’T FUCKING FIELD TO SAVE HIS FUCKING LIFE & NOW HE CAN’T BUY A FUCKING HIT EITHER. SO PARDON MY FUCKING FRENCH BUT I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO. I MAY HAVE A FUCKING SMALL SABER PENIS BUT I FUCKING KNOW A FUCKUP WHEN I SEE ONE & FLOPPY IS A BIG FUCKING FUCK UP
fuck
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 27, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
for gratuitous use of “fucking”
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 27, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope everyone got the joke, i typed that out & then deleted it,
then typed it out again betting VEB still got what i was dropping down
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I enjoyed it
especially the “small saber penis” part.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
This post brought you
by Chris Carpenter and the letter F
by NoWayMan! on Aug 28, 2010 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think he's been well worth his contract
so, he was over exposed out of position. that’s not exactly his fault, nor is your personal grudge against a professional athlete you’ve never met
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
i was joking, i dont have a grudge againt him anymore
i’m completely neutral when it come to Lopez
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Miller should have been in the game in the 8th.
he hadn’t pitched since the 23rd and there were 2 lefties (Kennedy and Morgan) leading off the inning. Then you can go one of 3 directions, 1) keep Miller in to face Zimmerman with none on, two outs and a two run lead, or 2) bring in Franklin for the 4 out save, orrrrrr 3) give the ball to Salas for 1 out.
Using Franklin for 2 innings is very questionable since in even the likliest of scenarios, he’s probably not available for tonights game no matter what.
I’m not sure why he was saving Miller.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Because he is our only lefty?
And would probably be used in at least two of the next three games, if not all three?
it's one inning (the 8th) in a 2 run game.
If you can’t use him then, well then when are you gonna use him?
Remember, Dusty Baker is still holding Zambrano back for game 4.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
How about a game we have a lead in?
Two run game, yes. But a two run game in which we have one inning left to tie the game, or we lose. Those aren’t great odds, two runs or not.
whatever....
(yeah, you’re right)
anyway…….point still stands.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
A manager's job
is to put his players in the best position to succeed — to ask them to play to their abilities and no more. Too often, we see the results of LaRussa’s gambling, to put a mediocre player in a high-leverage situation and hope he comes through.
Hope is not a plan.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
or a good player who's struggling.
this only works if you’ve got a good gut-feeling about whether a player can pull it out or not. intuition does count for something.
but if you’ve got neither intuition nor sense, I mean. all that’s left is blind hope.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't.....
Taking Franklin out, for Salas, in a save situation be relying on a mediocre player in a high leverage situation?
He's our second best bullpen pitcher by xFIP
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Logic and facts apparently
have no place here on VEB anynore, hazel. Welcome to the new PD.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
You could move Pujols to third base
Las Vegas would see an explosion in their “How long until Albert’s elbow explodes?” pool.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
no, second, anyone can play second
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
you're kidding right?
Lopez is not SS, especially when we have the best SS in the league sitting in the bench.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
he is the best defensive SS in the league
who is better?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He's probably the best defensive shortstop in the league.
Rollins is good, but I’d still take Boog defensively.
The way Ryan has been hitting lately, he should be playing almost every day.
As Matty said above
who’s better? Maybe Paul Janisch, I’d have them about on a par. There simply isn’t a better defender at short in the NL IMO, and I think the defensive stats (with a healthy pinch of salt) agree with that.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
that's more of an indictment of the league
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Show Your Work.
Guys and gals here cite stats, you’re not citing anything.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
Hey, that's not true
He’s blindly asserting things! That’s proof of proofitude!!!
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
proveyness
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
According to
the +/- ratings, Brendan Ryan is now up to 23 runs saved on the season, which puts him as the second-best defensive shortstop in the major leagues. By UZR he’s been nine runs above average, which I’m not going to try and sort into a rating. However, given that by both of the most highly thought of defensive metrics at the moment he’s been well above average, I would say we should probably listen to that. I’m not a big believer in Brendan ever consistently getting himself ironed out enough to be a great player for more than fits and starts, but to claim his glove hasn’t been good this year is frankly a bit ill-conceived.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If Brendan Ryan is the worst hitter in your lineup by a decent amount
you have a very, very good team.
Unfortunately, when you have Pedro Feliz and Skip Schumaker in the lineup with him, you have one worse hitter (Feliz), and one roughly equivalent hitter (Skip) with him. I’m a huge Ryan fan, I love having superior defense at the SS position, and I think his bat is better than the conventional stats show this year, even if my thoughts are unsupported.
Boog hasn't exactly been awful as of late, either.
Hence the ‘roughly equivalent to Boog’ comment. I may be doing Skip a disservice with that, I guess.
dude
Brendan is the best defensive shortstop. have you anyone else make the plays he makes??
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure his knees did
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he had a killer fro, i believe that fro was worth 5+ WAR alone
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Flip has played well at SS this year?
This is laughable. He was so bad at third base, that the Cardinals signed what might be the worst hitter in baseball to upgrade the defense there. What, he’s expected to do better at shortstop?
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
it’s evident, that the only position lopez should play is 2B or one that does not require much throwing like 1B. He can’t make the throw from 3rd to first, he definitely couldn’t make the throw last night from SS to 1B, and he’s constantly backing up on balls instead of charging them (as evident last night).
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else think that because of the throw distance,
Skip Schumaker should have been given a shot at 3B this year?
He has one of the stronger arms on the team.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Maybe
But I forget, does he have better range to his left or right? I want to say he’s better to the left, but I’m not positive.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip rarely has to use any range to his left.
Albert likes to poach those balls. It’s one of the mangs flaws, in my book – a tendency to over-range to left and make routine plays difficult by forcing pitcher to cover.
I know
That Skip rarely goes to his left, but I think the few times he’s had to, he’s been very good.
On a side-note: What will it take to break the curse of 3B
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That was terrifying to watch.
Even more deflating to see the dude harmlessly pop up to shallow center on the next pitch.
Take it from a Cow....
..its easy to over-range when yer out standing in your field…
;=8)
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
did anyone else not have a problem
with boggs throwing to one FUCKING batter and then putting franklin out for two… as far as im concerned larussa didn’t have a choice when he did that
it should have been boggs in the 8th, franky in 9th…
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 27, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not think we were talking about last night exclusively.
at this point, unless we have five games to go and are five back, it’s pointless to finger-point over one game.
but the decision-making has been exactly the same, and the results have sucked 95% of the time. why is the decision-making not changing?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What decision making?
You act like TLR has been playing Lopez at SS every game this year, and bringing Ryan in midway through the game? You cannot make a generic statement like that, and just apply it when you want to.
And aren’t you part of the crowd that says to make the “right” decision, damn the results? You can’t turn around and take the opposite approach when you finally get sick of the results.
what in the world are you talking about?
did VEB form up camps when I wasn’t looking?
I’m not even going to argue with you if you’re going to put words in my mouth. there was nothing “right” about starting Lopez. the comments about it started the minute the lineups went up. I did not turn around because I, and many others, hated the decision in the first place. there is no opposite approach except in your mind.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
also, as I was saying
the original comment is talking about the whole season. hence my subject line wherein I say “we’re not just talking about one game”. is that clear enough for you?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
If there are teams being formed,
I just don’t wanna be picked last…
by WyoCardsFan on Aug 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Tony Haters, Tony Ppologists, and Tony Should Be Blamed at Least Sometimes
you missed it.
I like the third team.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
they've got to send out memos, damn.
picked last again.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm forming a fourth team right this second.
The Toaster Fuckers. We’re a lot like the third team, except we’re more awesomer. And our name is awesomer too. Wanna join? I’m taking apppllllliiiicccaatttiiiiooonnnnnnssssss……
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I'm In!
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
In your kitchen.
In ten minutes.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, at the office
but wait, I think the break room has a toaster. Do you think I can explain this one to HR?
I'll take care of it.
Trust me, it’s going to be brilliant.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd need to know details about the medical plan first.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
I don’t know about this. Maybe just a casual Friday thing?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No. Never.
Kitchenaids, on the other hand…total sluts.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Dunno.
When it comes to associating with mates outside my chosen appliance type I take a John Mayer-like stance. And I don’t apologise for it!
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Full health,
with a few creative riders in the plan. For instance, no coverage for injuries sustained while sexing up a Westinghouse. Um, well, okay, just the one rider then.
Also, I wish I could think of more opportunities to use the phrase, “sexing up a Westinghouse.”
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would love to join your team,
but after the last few nights, it feels as though my dick skipped the toaster and went straight for the blender.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
also known as E15
(credit orvaratli)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
well you should have known Az likes the rough stuff
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
please tell me everyone's rec's buttons are broken
because that’s the only reason i’ll accept for this not being green at 10pm east side time
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
And Ryan can't start every flipping game at SS
You can argue that Greene should be on the roster for that reason, but he isn’t, on his own accord. Lopez is the backup. That means he’ll play there some.
That's a fair point TBH
And personally, I have no problem with Lopez starting the odd game at SS as backup. I don’t actually think he’s THAT appalling there, and with his superior hitting, his value probably isn’t that much worse than Ryan’s over a full season.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
No, no he can't start every game
But when this team is in the middle of a pennant race and are losing ground on the Reds, does it really make sense to start Floppy 3 of 4 games for any stretch when there’s no particular reason to suspect Boog’s injured?
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I don’t think anyone here would complain about Lopez getting a start NOW AND THEN at short to give Brendan a break, to get another lefty in the line-up against a particularly nasty pitcher, etc. But the frustration of seeing him there game after game, especially while he’s in a 1 for 11 slump, is too much to bear. When he then proceeds to give the other team an extra out (and, thus, three unearned runs), everyone is going to (justifiably, imo) complain.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp didnt have that bad of a night.
If it wasnt for Felipe’s defense he would have been 3 runs shorter.
nothings ever Tony's fault?
it’s
his team, it’s always his fault, even if it is also Franklin, Lopez, or even Carpenter?’s fault.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
obviously, you are in the Tony never has faults camp
I’m not even gonna debate it with you anymore. I’ll support Tony when he deserves it, and I’ll slam him when he deserves it. Even with the injuries, this team is a major disappointment, and he is the manager of this team.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
that's not what he is saying at all
you are saying that no matter what goes wrong, it’s his fault 100% of the time which is not only ridiculous, but rather amazing you could hold such a opinion.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
No,I am not saying that. I don't know how the hell you got that
I say it is at least partially his fault, since it is his team. He has to take at least partial blame when the team fails.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
Having the pitcher bat right behind Pujols?
His fault, any competent manager would have found a way to sub in craig for the 4th spot in the lineup, or at the very least pinch hit Anderson.
Starting Felipe Lopez at motherfuckingshortstop, Tony’s fault. pure idiocy.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Two decisions that really hurt right there
I mean it’s one thing if Floppy were to start there once and awhile but 3 of 4 makes little to no sense.
Having the pitchers behind Pujols meant Albert was going to be walked twice in late game situations and just about any fool would have assumed that was the logical result.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
especially considering the theory
had already been tested once this year.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
last night as a whole was not tony's fault
starting lopex instead of ryan at probably the most important defensive position (besides catcher) when ryan IS hitting and lopex IS NOT and when ryan is an EXCELLENT SS and lopex struggles to be adequate…THAT is tony’s fault. and maybe we still would not have won the game, but at least would lose with our best team, which somehow makes it a lot easier to handle. at least then you know the cardinals and la russa did everything they could to win. that choice, starting lopex over boog, right there, from the beginning of the game, we already know tony’s not fielding his best team. any loss that comes from that is exponentially more frustrating.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Aug 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this season is Tony's fault
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, Chris Carpenter decided
to play Felipe Lopez at SS and cost 3 unearned runs. On top of that, you have Carp pitching an extended inning which undoubtedly contributed to his failures later in the game and left him unable to get deep into the game.
Also, why play the entire infield in with runners on the corners and 1 out in the last inning? That GB should have been a double play. If Miles had fielded it cleanly, I HIGHLY doubt he would have been able to throw Nyjer Morgan out at the plate.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Boog was on the base....
if he lets that go through, It’s a very simple double play.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I sadly agree with this, I'm really sick of his shit
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I've witnessed this shit for too many years
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Larussa is a f'ing joke
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
so why isn't anyone laughing then?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Mr. UpBaby you have once again captured the essence very well.
I am so frustrated with TLR I could spit, but it really isn’t all his fault. It’s more like a comedy of errors; or it would be if it was funny. So it’s more like a “would be funny if it wasn’t so damn frustrating” of errors.
I have the same sense of Franklin. I’m sure he has pulled it off once or twice, but Never Two Innings. Lopez should Never play Short or Third and Miles should Never play the Infield or Outfield. oops perhaps I should not have included that outfield part. Don’t want to put ideas into TLR gigantic genius HOF brain.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
when it's 90% his fault, it is his fault.
every team gets breaks like this. every team. it’s been a weird season for pretty much 100% of the contenders this year.
how do the coaches and staff react to those changes? that is the measure of management. if we ask, over and over again, did they put them in a position to win, and get “uhhhh no”, then yes, that is bad management.
also, maybe if we could go to Busch Stadium with your second paragraph — in big signs — would it help? maybe we could make them all acrostics for FSM. …then again, we might not get on tv that way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think the Cardinals breaks this year are beyond the norm.
I agree that Tony doesn’t help himself with his double-switching genius and I think even for TLR he is double switching to the extreme (because of all the unfortunate coincidences). It’s the only tool in his toolbox so to speak, juggling the lineup. So he has gone way overboard with it and as a result is setting himself up for more unfortunate coincidences.
So in that sense, I agree he is not putting the team in a position to win. I don’t know that I think it is 90% his fault. I don’t have a number.
I would be happy if TLR would put his best defensive team on the field every night. If they don’t hit, well then so be it. These defensive guffaws are hard to take.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
It's also hard to take.....
3 straight games of scoring 2 runs or less.
Flip hasn’t played poorly at SS this year. And as good as Ryan has been, he has how many errors himself? It isn’t like he played Skip at 3B, Pujols at 2B, and Craig at SS. This is the big leagues, guys should be able to catch ground balls and make throws.
It wasn’t TLR’s fault last night that Holliday needed to come out of the game. That was the thing that messed the lineup up the most.
Flip hasn't played poorly at SS this year?
Well, he’s played horribly at SS his entire career, that’s something a manager has to know
and again
the point is that Feliz was obtained because Lopez had been overexposed, besides not being great at third base. since then, I think Lopez has had one game off and has started at short twice. this during a period when Ryan is finally hitting and continuing to play superb defense. I thought Ryan must have had some minor injury no one was talking about when I saw the starting lineup last night. but then he enters and plays most of the game – I don’t know what LaRussa’s reasoning is here.
Exactly
That has really bothered me. I also was worried Boog was nursing an injury or something. Especially surprising last night because Carp apparently prefers Boog playing short when he pitches.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It's ok to substitute a player when they are hurt.
that’s what the bench is for (well one of the things). But tony double-switches because he can! He didn’t need to double switch Holliday so there was a pitcher behind Albert. Been there done that, it doesn’t work very well.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
It wasn't his fault Holliday had to come out....
how he managed the switch certainly was.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yes and no (but mostly yes)
If TLR knew that Holliday was not going back out for the bottom of the tenth, then he could/should have had Anderson pinch hit for Franklin instead of Craig thus leaving a position player behind Albert instead of the pitcher’s spot. I’m sure his reasoning was that he didn’t want to burn his back-up catcher, but that really eliminated Albert as a threat for the rest of the game. Although, I wouldn’t have been too surprised to see them walk Albert in front of Craig.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan is a better defensive SS, and Ryan has the healthier bat. It's nonsense to think that Lopez should start over him if he isn't injured.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
No, it wasn't his fault Holliday had to come out
…but what happened after that in terms of who hit cleanup most certainly was. LaRussa chose to put the pitchers spot behind Pujols and crossed his fingers that the Seven Dwarves that comprised the rest of the lineup could get it done. When I see something like that the only thing I can think of is that “hope floats.” It practically guaranteed Pujols would get walked unless the bases were loaded.
And you’re really going to use errors as a defense of Lopez over Boog at SS? Floppy’s UZR at SS is -3.9, which is bad. Even if you don’t buy UZR as a useful record-keeping tool, the simple fact that Feliz was acquired so Floppy wouldn’t have to be the 3rd baseman means that you shouldn’t move Feliz in the wrong direction of the defensive spectrum and play Lopez at SS 3 of 4 games during a tight pennant race. At this point if Lopez is gonna play it should be as a PH or 2nd baseman.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly, it would be pretty easy to figure out.
we would have to throw out lineup data, as much as we want to tear into that, because we don’t know what else is going on injury-wise and late-to-ballgame-not-enough-effort-wise.
but we can certainly take out all the losses and dissect how the switches lined up offensively and defensively. the only reason we’re not doing it, I suspect, is because it’s damn depressing and there’s no easy way to average it. it’s box-score digging. it’s real, solid data, though. and we’re not imagining it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
"I Found That Essence Rare, It's What I Looked For..."
“I knew I’d get what I asked for.”
Really, has civilization sunk so low that I am the only Gang of Four fan left standing???
:=8(
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
I know we've still got maybe a 25% chance of making the playoffs or so
But I’m almost ready to give up on this year, objectivity aside. It’s just so, REPETITIVELY disheartening, it just feels like we’re not meant to be in 2010. I was going to check the team’s record in one-run games vs the Reds’ over on BR but I really don’t think I have the fortitude…
Still bitching to contact.
I am right there with you.
I taught a night class last night, so I missed most of the game. Fortunately for me, I got home literally JUST in time to see Miles playing 2B and boot the hit, which was of course followed by a bunch of Natinals celebrating. Just. Horrible.
It DOES feel like we’re just not meant to be there in 2010. There is just so much about this year that absolutely sucks. The pitching staff carries us in the 1st half but everyone’s a little suspicious of the consistency of the offense. Our big FA acquisition can’t seem to hit with RISP (he came out of that for a few weeks but still fails too often in those spots). And our young stud CF has an outstanding season, yet can’t seem to stay in the lineup. So naturally, we trade away our 2nd most consistent offensive piece.
Overall, we lose a crapload of 1-run games. We lose when giving up 2 or 3 runs like it’s our job. We’ve seen it play out…now that the pitching staff isn’t lights out every time, things are really stacked against us. We can’t score enough when our starters do well and we find crazy ways to lose when we score plenty o’ runs.
I hate to be this guy, but I’m sorta glad that college and pro football are approaching.
The Reds
are 3-1/2 games better than the Cardinals in one-run games (21-19 vs. 17-22).
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
so basically the difference in the standings
why am I not surprised?
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
I feel exactly the same way
I’m getting more interested in the football season, which almost never happens at this time of the year.
I'm at the same place, Felonius
just too many injuries this year for the home team. Losing two starters on back-to-back days with months-long injuries, losing Freese to loose ankles, and Colby’s continual leg injuries, losing Motte and Ludwick for a while. This team was just too thin to overcome all the injuries. If we had four consistent starters and Freese and Rasmus in the lineup most of the time all year, this team would be a lot better.
I do agree with this
but I just don’t think it’s an excuse. every other contending team’s had the same kind of heartbreaking setbacks and injuries (well, I don’t really pay attention to the Rangers…) we just don’t have black holes of the Thurstonian order as with previous years. those injuries had cover. there was room to move.
it might not be as good — but it just doesn’t look impossible or unwinnable. that’s where the true frustration is.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't follow, how many other teams besides bean town have had the kind of probs the Cards have?
also how many teams traded their 3rd best hitter for a no good reason?
and how many have a GM like MO filling the roster with 25th men after 25th men after 25th men?
and how many have batshitcrazy TLR running the show flushing win after win after win down the toilet?
and how many teams have the greatest player to ever play the game hitting 3rd, a life sized Lego character hitting 4th, two Cy Young’s & the second coming of Fernando in the rotation? that right there is the only reason the Cards have a snowballs chance in hell of winning anything. if not for those 4 guys, we’d all be cheering on the Pirates V 2.0
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 27, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's what I mean
there’s the setbacks, and there’s the response to the setbacks.
there’s the stuff that happens to gdm, and then there’s…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
jeremiad. j e r e m i a d, jeremiad.
A jeremiad is a long literary work, usually in prose, but sometimes in poetry, in which the author bitterly laments the state of society and its morals in a serious tone of sustained invective, and always contains a prophecy of society’s imminent downfall. /wiki
Professor Campbell of Washington State claims they hold out hope for “changes that will bring a happier future.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I am a little miffed by Big Dog or whoever it is operating that camera
because the moment of actual catching is out of focus for critical milliseconds. granted, it has a cool effect of making Brendan look like he warped time-space to get the ball, but it makes for a horrible shot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You look at that play right there
and you just know Carp is screaming into his hat in the background about the fact that Lopez started.
and Boog didn't suck at the plate.
which granted can be hit-or-miss ….. except in the last month! why TLR is applying his “don’t expose Ryan” philosophy from the first half of the season to his relatively torrid second half/third quarter, I cannot fathom.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
just for shits
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
by d-dee on Aug 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
it doesn't even look like it's in realtime.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Boog's Face
At the end of that play is priceless.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Boog
is incredible on defense. Whenever he leaves I hope he finds a manager that appreciates him
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
like someone who has a groundballing pitching staff?
oh, wait
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
But seriously, I don’t know why TLR doesn’t like him. Boog’s got a unique personality, he’s obviously a fun guy to be around, and when on defense, it’s as if he plays more than one position with his range.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
personality conflict I guess
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's mostly that he needs more coaching than usual.
a year and a half ago, he couldn’t be trusted to take note of signs. and Boog’s the only guy I’ve seen who’s argued with TLR when being pulled from a game.
the thing is, they have a better working relationship now than before. I don’t think it’s a matter of dislike. it’s more that TLR has it in his head that he has to coddle Boog from his offensive struggles (trufax quote). the perception is just because it got off to a really bad start. like two or three years worth of bad starts.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think the Boog doghouse stuff is completey overblown
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
what is your answer then for felipe lopez starting at SS for THREE games in a row?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I don't think he dislikes him
I know I toot this horn entirely too often, but people would be really disappointed with the amount of things a “normal manager” would do that we’re currently ascribing to Tony alone. Intermittently playing a guy who had a sub-.600 OPS in 2008 when he’s off to a hot start and you’re trying to get the guy you traded for going—or when he’s off to a slow start in 2010 and starts talking about jumping off buildings—is Normal Manager Behavior.
you all were way to f'ing stingy with your rec's today
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Ya
My thought – good for us, bad for Seattle….. Maybe throw in Feliz just for the hell of it…. Who the hell wears 77 anyway? Who does he think he is, Adam Oates?
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Seattle!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Want to know wen it started?
April 17th.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
yipes, i didnt realize it was that early in the season
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
is that not a pair?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
what a fucking horrible night that was
that game started right before my dumb electrical engineering class, dragged all the way through, continued for an hour and a half after i went back to the office, an 45 minute drive home and got home just to see the last three innings
on top of everything, just a minute before franklin imploded i was sitting in my office looking at my bank account just to find out some asshole stole my debit card information and went shopping for several hundred. thank goodness the building was empty so i could scream at my bank account and at franklin and go absolutely hysterical
FMFL
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
hey I used to be an electrical engineer.
I was interested in the classes, although they were very hard. Then when I started doing it every day, I found I wasn’t really suited for it. Needed more excitement. Went into sales.
sorry about the debit card thing. that sucks.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
actually it is a pretty good class
but everything that tries to occupy my attention during baseball goes automatically into the dumb bin
USAA will probably refund me in full but this time i will find the motherfuckers that used it and i will press charges. they might have made one crucial mistake ordering $50 worth of food at domino’s
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
You can borrow my BIG suitcase.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Damn...
Sounds like a tough start to the morning after a tough night last night for you. At least it’s Friday, right?
that's not all
this dude is on the cover – and i’ll scale it very small cause i don’t wanna look at his face
i need tonight to be a win or i cannot take responsibility for my actions
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
just aim at Strauss and it will all be okay.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, well, well.
The good old SI cover jinx.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
what does the media have against Albert?
why are they constantly trying to find a player better than him? when his career is over & it’s all said & done & his numbers are that of the greatest player ever, i hope when he gives his speech at the HOF his closing line is
and finally to all the media who gave away my MVP’s to one hit wonders & roided up assholes, suck my nuts you fucking pieces of shit
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 27, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think last time Franklin pitched 2 innings
didn’t it generate 100 comments or so complaining? Heheh.
How 'bout those Rams?
At least in the first half. Handegg, anyone?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
they won, didn't they?
and what I saw of Bradford was actually mildly encouraging.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
me too.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there are few things worse in life than watching, debating & listening to assholes debate overhyped preseason handegg
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I really need more teams for my fantasy league
shoot me an email if anyone is interested
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The most egregious of the moves last night, imo,
was the double switch for Franklin. This left Albert exposed again. A pitcher needed to PH for him there, with Craig straight switching for Holliday in the outfield. This one move gutted what offensive firepower the team had.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
see also 20-inning game.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I mean, this is why I don't like it.
when that game happened, we all looked at each other and said, well, that’s not going to happen again.
and then it did. over and over and over again.
something that is systematic like that just wipes out small sample size considerations, and ventures into the realm of consistent criteria for decision-making. aka managing. I don’t think it’s useful anymore to say “we don’t know what’s going on in their heads” if they keep doing it, over and over again. how many times do they have to be slapped down?
at this point, I don’t care whose fault it is. I just want them to look at their own tape and stop it already.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't understand the logic behind.....
well, we have no more players, so lets put the pitchers spot behind Pujols for the rest of the game…..What did he think was going to happen?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The manager
is at once both incredibly stubborn and willing to try anything.
Perhaps that’s it: He is too stubborn to stop trying everything.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well he keeps trying the same things.
it’s weird but I’m most disappointed in his bench management. and he’s supposed to be the best in the game at keeping the bench going. I almost think… he really should know how to do this. regardless of whether guys are injured or aren’t “listening to the message”.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean... maybe CircumSwoop has a point.
the cubs got Lou to fire them up. he turned into a tired old shadow of his former self.
we expect TLR to make the smart decisions. I just don’t think that the problems this season are that … bad. like, it’s not good odds, but it’s also not entirely impossible to win with what we’ve got.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
casey fucking stangle couldn't win with the bench the Cards have
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
tlr manages robotically
to software of his own making
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
so he's like... steampunk?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
disagree on Craig switch
Switching Craig into the 7th spot (for Franklin) allowed Craig to lead off in the 10th. Franklin was coming out anyway, and TLR may have thought (correctly, this time) he’d need to get multiple innings from Miller/Salas.
by baked mcbride on Aug 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Except for the fact that Holliday was alreay hurt.
which should have impacted that decision.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yes...and this game WAS on TLR 90%..those who disagree are those angels shooting up heroin
i was glad for the explanation riverrat last night i just had to visualize it on paper and why tony is very naive:
FACT: holliday gets HBP in in 9th..bottom of the 9th…franklin blows it
….tony “oh shit i dropped the ball now i need to use my brain again to get a lineup for our 10th….hmm lemme see how can fuck this lineup the most…oh yea, PH craig for our 10th”
current lineup to start our half of the 10th:
1-Brendan
2-Jon Jay
3-Albert
4-Matt
5-Randy
6-Yadi (made last out in the 9th)
7-Ryan Franklin Allen Craig (pinch hitter)
8-Pedro Feliz
9-Aaron Miles
which results Tony presenting this pile of shit to the ump:
1-Brendan
2-Jon Jay
3-Albert
4-Matt Trever Miller (LHP)
5-Randy
6-Yadi
7-Ryan Franklin Allen Craig (Left Fielder)
8-Pedro Feliz
9-Aaron Miles
at this point i wouldve just put anderson in left for holliday…and replace Miller w/ Craig @#7…but then again i dont know exactly when the lineups are actually changed
Now we basically have a hamster batting 3rd for the rest of the game
Seriously…look at that lineup…it has a hamster..trever miller (a pinch hitter every time #4 hits)…and pedro feliz
So basically you were right and shouldve PH’d Lohse in top of 10th
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
jaime for roy
jaysonst
#Nationals just revealed Stephen Strasburg has torn ligament in his elbow and probably will need Tommy John Surgery. Sad news for the sport! 2 minutes ago via web
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
HFS
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That didn't take long.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit.
Getting it out of the way early / while he’s young is a relatively good thing, I guess.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
he's gonna come back throwing 105.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Do the Nats lose a year (plus) of pre-arb service time due to this?
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
well...he's on the MLB roster
when he went on the DL, so this whole stint will count towards service time.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's what I thought.
Those Expos can just never catch a break.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, yes, but. . .
generally speaking, racking up DL time instead of Ws, Ks, and low ERAs won’t help his arbitration cases, so there is that.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Right but they don't care alllllll that much about arbitration time
It’s free agency time.
Not afraid to nitpick
Granted that he's having. . .
his (1st) TJ after 68 big-league innings, worrying about the seventh and thereafter years of his career is very remote. I dohn’t have the time to do the research, but I would bet that guys who have TJ as young as Strasburg is having it are very unlikely to pitch much past their 6th year at anything more than replacement level.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
mm, actually TJ pitchers are about as likely to get injured and suck as regular pitchers.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Cite?
get injured AND suck? maybe
get injured OR suck? are you takoing into account those guys who never make it back?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Also...as Dibble said....
SUCK IT UP!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
so they're left with doucheking Harper?
oh boy.
poor natinals.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
FESPN is on it, next.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Rotoworld-
Nationals GM Mike Rizzo said that Stephen Strasburg is likely to need Tommy John surgery to repair a significant UCL tear in his pitching elbow.
What a shame. The initial MRI on Strasburg’s arm didn’t show any major damage, but an MRI arthrogram revealed the tear. This will almost certainly wipe out the phenom’s 2011 season, though the Nationals will seek a second opinion before going the Tommy John route. Strasburg’s rookie season ends with a 5-3 record, 2.91 ERA, 1.07 WHIP and 92/17 K/BB ratio over 68 innings.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
there was an article about a month ago
that said strassburg’s way of pitching would likely injure him. they were comparing his windup to someone else who was hailed big like that and got injured because of his windup i just can’t remember who it was
that was way too quick though
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Yeah, his name is on the tip of my tongue
I think he went to USC. Picked in the first round of the 2001 draft, I think, behind Joe Mauer.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no prior knowledge of who you're talking about.
Care to enlighten me?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Mark my words...we should know this guy.
by TBender on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I have memories of him in a prior baseball life
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
mark my words
once we remember the dang name we’ll be embarrassed.
by sdrone on Aug 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you have to have an elaborate poem
if you’re going to get people to mark your words.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
man
you guys wood have this problem
by DanUpBaby on Aug 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
quite possibly the greatest series of comments in VEB's history
and i’m the only one to rec them
you all should be taken out behind the wood shed for you’re lack of rec’s today
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
that sucks
but it’s a blessing in disguise in a way. Pitchers come back just as strong as before (Carp) or even better than ever (Jaime). By the time he’s back the Nats may have enough pieces in place to contend. I mean, obviously it sucks that they lose a year of control and the fans miss out on a year of him pitching, but better now than later. and it’s much better than it being a shoulder issue.
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
No, pitchers don't come back as strong as before. . .
at least, not always, or even often.
Even though it has become more common and routine, and the success rates are better, it is still better to not have TJ surgery than to have TJ surgery.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously how is this a blessing?
they lose 1 year or more of service time of strasburg. Also the guy hit 100 mph, how much stronger does he need to be?
Wow that is sad
Just really sad. I mean, they had a relatively decent plan for not over-working him, right?
Damn.
But how in heck was he throwing without pain? Did he say he didn’t have pain a couple of days ago?
How so?
I don’t think I’ve seen a lot of detail on that type of thing. To me, just from watching parts of Cubs-Nats games, it looks like he’s throwing relatively easily and the ball just has a buttload of giddyap.
Paging painguy/Chris O'Leary here
He’s broken down the problems with Strasburg’s mechanics in depth here. I’n sure he takes no pleasure in having his analyses continually vindicated. (He predicted problems for Jaime before he ended up needing TJ too.)
As for the Nats — what a blow. Just when things are starting to look up for the franchise, this happens. I live near DC and it’s been nice to see local baseball fans actually have some things to feel good about recently. So much for that…
Joe Posnanski also had a good blog post on Strasburg a couple days ago
Here. As he points out, a lot of whether a phenom pitcher becomes a hall of famer or a bust is just luck (or maybe good genes). Although I guess painguy would quibble with this — in his view, there ARE mechanical things (not just pitch counts, etc.) that allow the Nolan Ryans/Randy Johnsons/Greg Madduxes to thrive for years relatively injury-free while guys like Prior and our old friend Anthony Reyes and Strasburg don’t, so it’s not ENTIRELY dumb luck.
Not to mention Kyle Boddy, who predicted injury early on
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure predicting a loss of velocity and then a shoulder injury gives him too much to work with there
Seeing as how it was an elbow injury.
Not afraid to nitpick
He's also predicted problems for Wainwright, Verlander, Zito and Santana
So yeah…
Not afraid to nitpick
Zito throws it 42 mph
It’s physically impossible for him to hurt himself throwing
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sad that you're in this sub thread
and I haven’t seen “confirmaiton bias” typed once. tsk tsk
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Aug 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know it's big sports news
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
So they couldn't get 90 lights out innings from him?
They probably broke even on his draft contract this year in the 7 home starts he made.
Not afraid to nitpick
he would have thrown hard in the minors, too.
they coddled him, and they came to him healthy. it’s just as likely that he’d have blown up in the minors too.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we have any proof
players are less likely to be injured in the minor leagues than in the majors? I’m honestly asking, because so far as I know we don’t, but I could also be misinformed. Is there a known difference in the injury rate?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think guay was commenting on the service time problem the Nats now face.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Ah, I see.
My mistake then.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, losing a year+ of service time on Strasburg could cost them $20M
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Yeah that's what I mean..
Strasburg is not a perfect case study b/c of his impact on ticket sales, but let’s take someone like Shelby Miller. Maybe you just leave him in the minors regardless of performance until he’s 24 or 25, limit the innings (150-180 per year), reasonable pitch counts, and get him into the majors post TJ.
As it stands, the Nats have lost about a fifth of Strasburg’s value, assuming he comes back strong in 2012.
Fire La Russa!
Perfect Mechanics.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
wasn't this like pretty much predetermined with him?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Yes
As soon as Jim Riggleman was his manager, it was determined to be the end of another “can’t miss” prospect.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s a pitching prospect who threw harder than any starting pitching prospect ever
there’s no way around it.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Yeah
You can’t throw a baseball at ungodly speeds and expect to hold up forever. Better now than later, I guess, for the Nats.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
spoke to my friend
who works with the PT that worked on A. Wainwright in high school when he had a partial UCL tear. He said the guy called it “a long time ago” that Strasburg would go down. Just look at the awful mechanics. Its so bad, even Curt Schilling can point out the flaws without wearing the bloody suck.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
IMO his mechanics are really not bad.
Your UCL just isn’t up to the task of throwing that hard, that often.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
better mechanics
would decrease strain on the UCL. The frames Schilling was showing where he was commenting that Strasburgs arm was “behind” were the most telling to me. Since his arm is late coming through and he is not level, he has to work harder with his upper extremity musculature to achieve such high velocity. If he was more level and caught up, the force coming from his legs would be transferred more efficiently.
FWIW I agree that throwing that hard for that long is not good for the ligament.
I have a beautiful equation for throwing velocity that I want so badly to share with you guys, but I only have it in hard copy form and its way beyond my technological skills to type out.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
GDMDNGAF
also fuck the WWL for treating this like a national disaster. so fucking what a overhyped Boras client with gawdawful mechanics blew out his fucking arm? guess what, it’s gonna happen again & again & again & again
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
More fun with roster / DL management
Rotoworld-
One day after saying that he expected to return sometime during the series against the Nationals, Colby Rasmus (calf) said that could miss the entire series.
Rasmus ran with “40 percent” effort before Wednesday’s game in Pittsburgh, which doesn’t sound too promising. He was able to pinch-hit Thursday, so a DL move doesn’t seem likely at this point. Still, it sounds like it could be a few more days. Rasmus said he definitely will not be back until at least Saturday.
This team can’t get out of its own way.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
I'm glad I took a vacation day today....
I think I’ll have a drink.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the fact that he wasn't DL'd is really a joke at this point.
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish they would have NOT pinch hit him so they could retroactively DL him and get fucking tyler greene up here
FFS cardinals, what the hell is going on this season?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
2010 St. Louis Cardinals:
Roster mismanagement at it’s finest.
It’s not even worthy of rosterbation.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
i have never felt as exasperated by a team as i do right now at this moment.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
ditto & i don't even get to watch the fucking games
i can’t imagine what i’d be like if i was watching them
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
The Cards just need to quit kicking me in the Fan Balls.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Cards first pretend they're gonna kick you in the balls
Then they make you a pizza and get you a beer, and after you have one delicious gulp and one delicious bite they kick you in the balls for real.
And then they throw away your pizza and pour out your beer.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 27, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
and they kick you hard enough that you throw up
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
To me it's been more like a tap on the balls.
Not hard enough to hurt right away, just gradually gets worse.
or maybe multiple taps with the occassional swift kick
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
my conspiracy doomsday theory
is that Albert Pujols tempted the GOB.
so …. it’s been bad. real bad.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
So, when Rollins says the Phillies are the team to beat before the season
and go on to benefit from the Mets’ Bullpen Collapse Part One (I think, maybe it was Part Two: The Collapsening) it’s all good and he wins the MVP award. But when Pujols says something like this mid-season the GOB punish us?
Fuck the GOB.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
well, what did JRoll say exactly?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
it's all in the wording.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
at this point i don't think VEB will ever start listening to me
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Am I missing the obvious???
Why blame Tony LaRussa?!!Am I missing the obvious? There were at least 3 seperate times in the last 4 innings when the bunt sign should have been given with a runner on first and no one out or a runner on second and no one out. This is what bothers me the most about Tony. He absolutely REFUSES to bunt when it is called for. IF LaRussa gives B. Ryan the bunt sign when Miles steals second with no one out then the Jon Jay fly ball to center gives us the lead and then possibly the ball game. I am so tired of his American League style of managing (or his own style of whatever you want to call it). Managing 101, you bunt with no one out and a runner on in extra innings with a very, very mediocre batter at the plate. How many times can I say "What the F*CK are you doing????" I want him gone. Like someone else said before just someone who will stick to the fundamentals and not out-think themselves so bad that they double switch to put the pitchers spot behind Albert so he doesn’t see another strike all night. Get lost Tony!
i was speechless when he pulled the doubleswitch with the pitcher behind albert stunt again
Holliday getting hurt sucked and obviously there was nothing to be done about it. But you’d think after the 20 inning mess vs the Mess he’d have learned not to doubleswitch in such a fashion as to do leave Albert with the pitcher behind him.
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
Was his spot in the lineup up that inning?
I don’t recall for sure, but I certainly don’t think it was.
He had other pinch hitters available
Craig did not have to hit there. Sure, the choices were few (Anderson, Wainwright, Lohse) but why not use one of them for the pitcher’s spot and save the guy who’s actually going to replace Holliday for, you know, replacing Holliday.
True, Riggleman still likely walks Albert, but at least you then have Craig batting with a runner on instead of Lohse.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
hence my saying "there was nothing to be done about that"
but it didn’t have to be a double switch.
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
Tony started the inning by PH Craig
then decided that Holliday couldn’t go back out for defense. If Tony was going to sub for Holliday, he should have used Waino or Lohse to bat for Franklin to start the inning. Lohse ends up batting in the next inning so it wasn’t like the relief pitcher was inserted into the lineup where his spot wouldn’t come up in the next inning.
Seriously?
Pinch hit to start an extra inning with a pitcher, when you have both Craig and Anderson on the bench?
TLR would have been molested on this board had he done that.
yes seriously
Anderson wasn’t even used!!! He never played, not even to pinch run for Albert when he was hurt. You could have pinch hit right there with either guy and had someone protecting Albert through the rest of the game.
All of that is beside the point, if we play basic baseball we win that game, subs or no subs. Bunt with 0 outs and a runner on 1st you need one damn hit to take the lead. You don’t bunt you keep the double play in order and you now need in the least two hits unless someone hits an extra base hit and then it wouldn’t matter anyway!
It's pretty standard
to save your backup catcher.
I'm quite okay with saving Anderson, to be honest.
What if Albert had to be taken out of the game when he was Tarp-ified, and Anderson had been burned? Craig to first, Jaime to left field?
Feh.
Anderson not hitting
was the move that bothered me the most. Expecting a two out hit from Lohse or Waino is unrealistic. That move just means the Cards have to shutout the opponent for two more innings. When was Anderson going to be used.
Top of 11th, Albert on first, RHP on the mound and he sends up Lohse? Top of 13th, Miles on 2nd, Albert on 1st and Waino PHs against a LHP. Anderson is known for his bat not his glove. Let him swing for godsake.
EXACTLY
What are you saving him for? If you have to take Albert out then you put Yadi at first, Anderson behind the plate, and leave Craig in left. Yadi played first base just the other night! You have to give yourself a chance to win. Are we saving our players like an Allstar game here?
but if he (Anderson) pinch hits
and only pinch hits, he’s not in the game to move. I can see somewhat understand saving Anderson so that you have an emergency catcher, somewhat. I don’t think I’d have much of a problem of using him to hit in a potential game-winning situation and then letting him play outfield so that, in case he is needed later, he can be moved to catcher.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 27, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Tony bunts WAY too much for some on this board.
You can only bunt when you have hitters that can bring guys in. Right now, this lineup isn’t hitting “clutchly” enough for that.
As for Ryan not bunting Miles over, Ryan had two strikes by the time Miles got to second. Me, personally, I’d still consider giving him the bunt sign, but that isn’t how ML baseball is played, and Ryan had failed at bunting a few times in the last week already. Probably the right call to let him swing.
Ryan has been one of our better hitters as of late, to be honest.
Miles to second, and hope he hits a laser to the warning track (where it isn’t caught, this time) to give us the lead. I don’t…really blame the lack of buntage in that situation, to be honest.
the worst part of the most unlikely people being the most reliable
is that i now expect miles to get on base
i hate myself
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Question?
“You can only bunt when you have hitters that can bring guys in. Right now, this lineup isn’t hitting "clutchly" enough for that.”
So then we have to have TWO hits instead of ONE hit from these hitters that can’t bring guys in, that doesn’t make much sense either does it?? And I know Ryan hit last night but lets get real that was his best hitting night in forever. He lays a bunt down in that situation he is a hero and we win the game. I don’t like bunting with 2 strikes either but you HAVE to bunt when you have weak hitters in the lineup or you are hoping for 2 hits instead of 1, simple math.
not missing that point
I hate to do it with two strikes but one not have bunt Miles to second before that? Miles got lucky on the steal that the ball bounced or he is gunned out by Pudge. I am just saying the Braves won every pennant in the 90’s by bunting late in games with no one out, and then they needed ONE hit that is it. Tony NEVER bunts EVER! Whitey would have bunted all 3 times and that game would have been over!
What???
Tony bunts a lot??? When is this? I watch every game every night. He might bunt occassionaly but never late in the game when we need it. American league style, problem is we are in the National League where the pitcher has to hit every 9 batters.
Wait.
So your logic for La Russa needing to bunt more often is that since we already have one automatic out in the lineup we need to give away MORE outs instead of less?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Logic
My logic is you get the guy to second you need ONE hit to score. If we have so many outs in our lineup then that guy never gets to second or there is a double play our a strikeout and then you have your out and the guy is still at first.
Come on guys, seriously…. I know you LOVE LaRussa, it is obvious by previous posts, but at some point someone has to take responsibility for this team underachieving every single night. They play to their opponents level, that is a direct reflection on a manager.
Actually,
I believe you have me confused with someone else. I happen to have been hoping for La Russa to ride into the sunset for years now. You should really be more familiar with my stances before you attribute them to me.
However, I disagree with your assertion that bunting is going to help us. I realise one hit will score a player then rather than it taking two singles, but we know bunting lowers the overall run scoring probability in an inning, so while you might manage to eke out an extra run every once in a while by small-balling it, you’re short-circuiting more chances than you’ll ever create.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
I was talking about the other guy who was Tony loving not you.. and I don’t want to bunt ALL the time for sure, just in the late innings when you have nothing left on your bench and weak hitters up. Then the odds are in your favor, cause like you said you need one hit, not two.
That's okay.
And I can understand some of the desire for bunting in the late innings, particularly of the squeeze variety. For the most part, though, I dislike bunting and prefer the players take their chances trying to produce more baserunners.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope whomever invented bunting is burning in hell
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
The hitters brought a lot of guys in last night.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
dynasty
if I have the correct play, Miles stole second with 2 strikes on Rayn – no one is going to call for a bunt then – and, btw, Ryan is a horrible bunter
Agreed
Okay don’t bunt with two strikes in that situation, bunt before that, we got lucky with the steal and it wasn’t just that one situation. That happened 3 times in the game before that. I would just like a bunt with no one out late in the game for Christmas…anyone? LOL
But if they had bunted before the steal
you’d have the same exact situation as we ended up with – Miles on second w/ one out. The fly ball still doesn’t score him. I would tend to agree that w/ a runner on 2nd and no outs in extra innings, a bunt to move the runner to 3rd is not a bad move, especially if you have a weaker hitter up. But the 2 strike count made that a hard call in this case.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 27, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think most people here would disagree about the bunting thing.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Bunting sucks
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
unless it's on the wall.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i've been dreaming of making a chocolate pudding filled bundt cake
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Was at the game
the team played w/o intensity except for two innings. Remember the Cubs just swept the Nats in DC.
Lopez looked like he was mailing it in—glad TLR replaced him, but unfortunately the damage was already done. Carp had nothing; only one K. But with the proper defense behind him, he would have only given up 1-2 runs.
Too bad about Colby. He absolutely raked BP; at least half a dozen shots into the second deck in RF, plus one to left center bleachers that was over 400 ft.
Remember 8/23/10. Keep the Craigen at 2B!
you know what
I blame the Nats tarp people. at Busch Stadium that baby’s rolled tight enough to ride Clydesdales over it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think I'm just going to blame Albert, to be honest.
It was a misjudgment in where the tarp actually was, and he just…missed. Christ that looked painful in slo-mo replays though. Hope there aren’t any lingering effects beyond making it even more painful to watch him walk/run for a few days.
i think he got it worse than lego did
i expect albert to sit today and lego to play
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
yes, tis mostly tongue-in-cheek.
there’s a horrific “our injuries are doing WHAT” thread in the gt. it’s ugly.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not going back in there
somebody else do it. younger and expendable.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
do i get hazard pay if I do it?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
my shirt is red..... hey!
okay, here it is.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I wasn't around for gdt last night, was watching the game at the bar with some friends.
The joy of the Cards playing the ‘local’ team where I’m located.
Question about the Lopez sub
I didn’t watch the game. I assume Ryan pinch hit for him and then stayed in the game? I assume TLR would never embarrass the guy by making a field substitute.
I...think so.
Or it might have been a Ryan PH for pitcher double swap. I wasn’t paying all that close attention, but was encouraged by how Boog hit the ball. The liner to the warning track made me stand up and get ready to yell off the bat, only to flop back down sadly.
I think he would
he did this to Ryan once, but after a major goof at the plate, right?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, yeah, let me correct myself
TLR wouldn’t do this type of thing to a “veteran.” haha.
ya after he swung at a 3-0 pitch & made an out
not only did he pull him but he yelled at him in the dugout. the next day Dick did the same thing & TLR didn’t even blink
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
No straight defensive sub Ryan for Lopez
after Lopez jogged out a possible double play ball that was bobbled. If Flip had been running hard, he would have been.
interesting, I didn't know about that
sometimes I reflexively type “n/t” here.
Photo from last night
I only had time to post one. I have a collection of the ninth inning comeback that I’ll put up tonight.
cool, looking forward to the others
or just give us a link to a photostream or sth
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
For all of those on facebook
Lets get this thing moving, seriously…my heart, my sanity, my neighbors, and my poor dog can’t take it anymore.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fire-Tony-LaRussa/133804026651124
Meh.
I’m in the camp that harbors very little ill will to Tony for this season. Injuries hit us pretty hard at places where we didn’t have system depth. Some of the moves that he was likely the engineer of worked out okay in short term, just can’t be treated as long term decisions, and I think even he knows that.
by Voxx on Aug 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think people are forgetting
that the Reds lost two dependable members of their starting rotation this year, and still have one on the DL. Yet they’re not making any excuses as far as I know.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The organization had depth at SP.
We didn’t have appropriate depth at the positions we lost. That’s the key difference.
weird. i totally forgot we were the St. Louis LaRussas
fans want results. at times they want managers fired. that doesn’t mean they aren’t fans. Save the judgmental bullshit about whether someone is a real fan or should “follow another team” for other forums.
and for the record, I don’t think it’s entirely LaRussa’s fault so I won’t join the FB group. I do get annoyed with repeated failures—manager, player, Mo—and I would be perfectly happy with LaRussa moving on but I don’t think firing him right now helps
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
Well said!
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe not firing, but I think DeWitt should give him a kick in the junk, just as a warning.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
after sitting down for one bit of pizza and one beer?
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
To start a FB page like that.....
When we have someone as established as TLR as our manager, is fucking ridiculous. You don’t have to like him. You don’t have to want him as the manager. But to start a page like that, in an open area like FB, reflects poorly on the franchise I’ve followed for over two decades.
You could get 1 million “likes” for that retarded ass page, and guess what, Mo and Dewitt aren’t going to give 1 fuck. So whats the point, other than to embarrass the franchise?
I guess we're just not True Cardinals
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
since i watch every game with you in person and we're practically family and such
i can safely say that you need to work on your grit level, Yadi2. That’s why you’re not a true Cardinal.
oh wait, i don’t know you at all. maybe i should refrain from judging you and your motivations/fanship then. in fact, I should also probably refrain from using any sample, even one as potentially large as a fb page, from judging an entire fanbase, right?
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
by kalmavet on Aug 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
gasp
are you saying…. SSS?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
haha that or ASS
any sample size (when it comes to something as laughable as analyzing an entire fanbase)
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
SSS: what my social life was lacking
I bet it can be used for any situation.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Tell you what, Stan.
How about you start your own Facebook page, with your own views and a petition or something, so you can feel better about the way the fanbase of this historic franchise is being represented? I think that would be an excellent way to combat this negativity toward Tony.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like you hold on really tightly
To the self congratulatory “Best Fans in Baseball” bullshit. We don’t all move in lockstep on everything, and we don’t have to pretend we do.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said kalmavet!
weird. i totally forgot we were the St. Louis LaRussas fans want results. at times they want managers fired. that doesn’t mean they aren’t fans. Save the judgmental bullshit about whether someone is a real fan or should "follow another team" for other forums.
and for the record, I don’t think it’s entirely LaRussa’s fault so I won’t join the FB group. I do get annoyed with repeated failures—manager, player, Mo—and I would be perfectly happy with LaRussa moving on but I don’t think firing him right now helps
Just because someone doesn’t agree with an organization or their manager’s moves 100% of the time does NOT mean they are not a true fan. I have been a fan for over 3 decades, my Dad for over 6 decades and he gets mad at decisions and the play of players on the team all the time. Would you say he wasn’t a true fan? I doubt you would say it to his face, he bleeds Cardinal Red. We just want the Cards to win, simple as that.
Wow
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
so, the Cardinals = Tony Larussa
F that
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
nah.. i can't wholeheartedly get on that bandwaggon
maybe start smaller like dfa aaron miles or sth
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
by d-dee on Aug 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't mind getting on board with "Retire, Tony LaRussa"
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
facebook is of the devil, but if you tweeter it i'll tweeter you back
that almost sounded dirty fella
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Kelly Johnson
Cleared waivers. How in the **** does that happen? He isn’t expensive. He is cost controlled for one more year. Even if you don’t think he is better than what you have, why not claim him? Cannot believe he went through unclaimed. If we could have gotten him for a “fair” price, we could move Skip off of 2nd next year.
.367 OBP and a left handed shout-out to TLR
I’m grasping at any straw I can find.
I had great hopes for John Mozeliak.
But maybe he shares his manager’s dependence on “instincts” over evidence.
I can’t believe the Cardinals don’t have access to the same quantitative information we do. Perhaps unlike VEB, they choose to ignore it.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
well, I don't know that I can really pass judgment on him yet
because there may be market pressures that we don’t know about.
you gotta have a dance partner to make a deal. maybe nobody wants to deal with the Cards. whereas Walt can call up his old buddy and pick up whomever he wants. there may be more of the old boys’ network than we know about.
that said, the roster management has reflected very, very poorly on the Mo.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
re: dance partners
that could explain Johnson clearing waivers. Perhaps teams knew (from discussions at trade deadline?) that the price was too high to bother?
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
That's my guess.
He inquired as to the price, and it was too high for his tastes.
Who cares.....
You don’t give another team the chance to make that deal. At least claim as a block to better NL teams and all AL teams.
That gets done all the time, right?
yeah my comment only explains to a point
re: a potential trade. They could, and probably should, have made a claim regardless.
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
i've been saying the same thing for a while now
Walt got MO on the GM blacklist, and now we’re all paying for it just because Walt is bitter & pissed
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I disagree.
This is what I see: on every Tony La Russa team ever there have been at least a few baffling roster moves. Guys like Mike Gallego get all kinds of playing time despite being awful, awful baseball players. This has happened pretty much regardless of who the GM was at the time. Tony La Russa roster get older, not younger, as the season goes on. (And I mean when they need a player, they go outside to get a veteran rather than using a kid all too often, not that the roster actually ages due to the passing of time.) Again, this doesn’t seem to change depending on the GM of the team in question.
The common thread on all of those teams, all of which have certain similar characteristics, is La Russa. I know everyone wants to argue that Mo is the one who makes the roster and all that, but that simply isn’t the way this organisation works. Tony La Russa is not ever, ever going to be fired from this job, so there’s absolutely nothing a GM can do but work within his parameters, which seem to narrow more as the years go by.
I’m not trying to absolve Mozeliak of some questionable choices this season, but the fact is he isn’t working within a normal frame of operations in trying to build this team. It’s why I said at the time the Cardinals were trying to hire Shapiro and then promoted Mozeliak instead that the Cards’ GM job is one of the worst in all of baseball. I stand by that, because you essentially don’t have the freedom to make your own personnel decisions the way you would with a manager who would actually be held accountable by the man who hired him. (i.e. the GM himself, in most cases.)
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Brilliant
bringing his history into the discussion. Mike Gallego was the Aaron Miles of his time.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems simple to me.
Take a bunch of unrelated situations, find the only common element. Unless we know for a fact that common element has nothing to do with the situation all turning out similar, I think that needs to be where you start looking for the problem and possible solution.
And being an Oakland A’s fan for a few years when growing up, I can tell you even eight year old Aaron knew Mike Gallego was a bad, bad idea. And I was NOT a smart child.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Duh
you had sex with a toaster.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Nuh-uh!
That was hypodermic question, stupid!
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what the good thing about toasters is?
They never say no
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he is really making it harder to be a fan of this team
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
and this is coming from someone who has been a fan since '82
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
so what you're saying is the Cardinals need new owners
i can get on board with that
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
DeWallet provides the Cardinals with a 90+ million dollar payroll every year
I’m fine with him being in charge. I would just like La Russa to understand that he shouldn’t mettle in the afairs of the front office and allow whoever his GM is to do his fucking job.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i totally agree, he's raised the payroll & looks like he's going to try & keep
it at a place where they can pay Albert & still field a competitive team.
the problem is he’s way to close to TLR & he’ll never tell him to stop metteling in the FO affairs or stop insisting on having a team filled with a 5 regular players & 20 25th men type. DeWitt & Co are good owners, but they have a fatal blind spot when it comes to TLR.
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
on a tangential note, I met a girl my age (25)
who works in the Yankees stat department. I want to marry her. And at the same time I kind of hate her for having such an awesome job.
Marry her.
Should be torture enough to suit your vengeance purposes.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
marry her
meet her boss
make a better impression
take her job
and send her on her way
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Marry her...
than when the bitterness and jealosy consume you can cheat on her. That’ll teach her to have a better job than you.
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Aug 27, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you tell her how you feel?
This is often considered to be a first step.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 27, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
give me her digits & i'll marry her
i love the Yankees
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
You go to hell.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ot ... is shia labeouf on a quest to remake every 80s staple?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He is a poor successor
to the ennui of Bud Fox.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What's his most recent attempt?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
wall street
I expect Alf or Ferris next.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The new wall street isn't a remake though
It’s a sequel
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps remake is the wrong verb
rehash?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm collectively referring to the rest of his body of work, though.
those weren’t all sequels.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it seems so
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm gonna go run
this disappointing week out of my system. I might need to run so that it makes me die, but I’m willing to take that chance.
Also, please let that new fanpost be gone when I come back
/hats politics
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
hates*
loves Mr Hat.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 27, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually just deleted it.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A post about TLR and Albert attending a Glenn Beck rally.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i read that stuff last night (on the PD)
im glad u deleted it…if anyone needs it go to strauss’ article
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true.
However, it also falls outside the community guidelines here, so let’s have no more discussion of it.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and for the record,
I wasn’t trying to tell you specifically not to mention it. I just wanted everyone to understand I didn’t delete that post because I disagree with it or because I think Albert and La Russa are being smart about this or that I think they should be immune from criticism on this. We just have rules about it here, and those rules are most definitely there for a reason.
Just a clarification.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I can watch this team again with all the bullshit that is happening.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Yes
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I sort of see your point, but don't agree
I used to post on this site very regularly, but haven’t in a number of years. In the early days, I was one of those who commented on the original Community Guidelines, and asked Larry to enforce them when people referenced politics, religion, etc. (or just behaved inappropriately) when making comments on unrelated baseball issues.
This seems different to me — TLR and Pujols have injected themselves into the political sphere, and the poster is just responding to what they are planning to do. Since one of the points of this forum has always been to have a dialogue about the experience of being a fan, I think it’s perfectly appropriate to have a discussion of the impact of what they are doing on the feelings of at leat a part of the fan base.
TLR and Pujols have a right to express their views and go to whatever rallies they want. They don’t give up their right to support the Tea Party (or whatever) just because they are athletes, just as Steve Nash and Carlos Delgado didn’t give up their right to oppose the war. But freedom of expression doesn’t mean that others can’t oppose and respond to their views — and they should expect this type of disgust from some fans if they get involved in an event this controversial. If anyone in this instance is to be criticized for sullying focus on a pasttime with politics, it’s TLR and Pujols, not the poster
by tdawg on Aug 27, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
they are backing extremism. that’s the plain truth of it.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for being a
case in point as to why this post was taken down.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
thank you for being a robot
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm really surprised he let that one slide
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I understand your point.
However, my concern is not with Tony La Russa or Albert Pujols and the flak they should or should not face. My concern is with the problems allowing such an overtly political discussion to remain active on this site will cause. Whether those two deserve to be called out or not is beyond my sphere of influence. But if I allow a post blasting the manager and first baseman for attending a political rally to stand, things here are going to get ugly.
My first concern in this case has to be to protect this blog and this community, regardless of how justified or not the sentiment behind the post may be.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't you hear Tony, though?
It’s not political at all!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
True.
And I do believe virtually everything Tony says, so…
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand
and I’ve done my best not even to mention MY views of the event they are attending.
Your approach to it is probably sensible. I still think that adults could have a discussion about how these actions affect their sensibilities and experience as fans without it devolving into a shitstorm.
You might think.
However, it rarely goes that way. Sadly.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you
Especially when I think back on some flame wars on this forum in the past, e.g., Shelly Duncan arguably cursing at a kid in a Sox jersery, Aaron Miles being lauded for ending Juan Encarnacion’s career, etc.
The Aaron Miles/Juan Enc thing
was probably the low point for the site, I think. That was an ugly, ugly time.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Miles
effectively ended my favorite comic strip character.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that sounds awful
I’ve never seen anything that bad here even including trolls and soonerfan
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
It was really rough. And it was odd, too, because it was some old dude who clearly should have known better, not like some kid who was just on here being a tool because he just discovered the internet.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like a real good guy
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
same....what a way to make an awful situation even worse
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Before my time
Anyone have a Reader’s Digest version?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
miles make contact, Juan goes down
said poster immediately posts “Miles for MVP” & LB promptly banned him & deleted the comment & all the replys
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
That made me ill
I remember one poster even going so far as to suggest that Juan E. deserved that because he wasn’t paying attention or something. That kind of thing isn’t what reasonable adults should say.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I might make a silly cowment or two from time to time....
…but overall I don;t want to mix my baseball with politics. its too polarizing, and it has crept into and is ruining everything. Let’s try to keep it pure.
:=8)
I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O
You're free to oppose and respond to their views,
in accordance with all of your rights in whatever forum you wish. This forum, however, simply does not fall under the auspices of the US Constitution.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
some aspects of it does...but not that aspect
sorry….nitpicking… i should go do some real lawyer work
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Time for a drink, huh?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
always. i should start keeping henessey in my office like some of my coworkers
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
are you kidding
that thing doesn’t have a very subtle smell
what the hell kinda office is this?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Law office....It's actually a requirement, I think.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i suspect they don't actually drink it...just for show.
this is not a mad men kind of office. i wouldn’t even have a beer at lunch if a partner was there
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i'd literally kill to work in a Man Men office
making assloads of money for making up catchy slogans, drinking & cussing like a sailor, taking long lunches & vacations to SoCal, objectifying Joan, working around Joan, riding lawn mowers around & chopping off body parts
yeah, that sounds just perfect
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Freud would like a word.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'd send Freud to the looney bin after just one session
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
over the last 5 years I've done a complete 180 in my opinion on Larussa
I think at one time he was a good manager. there are a lot of reasons for believing this.
but now, he’s pretty much just a joke. he has been making a mockery of the game whether on purpose or not (of course, probably not on purpose, but regardless same result). he favors horrible players over ones that could be at least average players but with upside. he continues to outsmart himself and make bad moves with the bullpen and encourages an atmosphere that sure looks like playing through injuries is a good idea. the way he makes moves is reactionary, which is not a smart way to do business. he doesn’t let players get comfortable in their roles, and he has a with me or against me vibe. I’ve really had it with him, I really do believe he is making a mockery of this team. please no more TLR. he is just not a smart baseball guy anymore. whether the game has moved past him or he is just getting senile either way I just don’t trust his moves anymore, he needs to retire because this team should be in contention and as of right now it is barely in the race and losing to really bad teams that it should be winning against. it’s a shame really.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I am literally going to throw a party when he is no longer manager of the Cardinals
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be there
We should have the party at Sedgwick’s, of course.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
man
I’m hoping this awesome fest will occur soon… but unfortunately we might be 10 years older by the time we’d be able to have this fiesta. but let me say, it would be a helluva party… I think it should even be catered. I’m so sick of his stupid shit. he makes a game that should be not that easy to form a coherent strategy into a total guessing game. I think he’s losing it.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
*not that difficult
man, he’s got me pissed off. remember him playing adam kennedy in the outfield? I think that was when I realized he sucks.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We post about how LaRussa needs to leave
now we have to come up with answers on who will handle the job after the departure of The Hall of Fame Manager™. I vote Manny Acta.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone that will foster a good atmosphere for playing baseball
and not make questionable moves on a weekly basis. I wonder if Ozzie has any interest…
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince Coleman wants a job.
Any job.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
well, he'd be far better than Larussa
even if he’d always be staring nervously at tarps
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
umm, no
Ozzie is a HOF SS and probably the best defensive SS of all time. Of All-time.
He is also, however, a prima donna.
No thanks.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally,
I’m a fan of Pop Warner at Springfield.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd hope to find someone like the Rays manager
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so
because that guy is awesome.
as an aside, Mozeliak must be really sick of dealing with Larussa already.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Maddon would be perfect though I can't see him leaving
so someone like him. Deep analysis i know lol
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
i love TLR, but maybe it's time to go, i say hire Madden or bring up Pop
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
me too
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
what about that 10th inning lineup change?
TLR doesnt learn from his mistakes
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't remember the last time i had a good nights sleep
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
if somehow Larussa got fired I'd be the Cards make the playoffs
I wouldn’t bet on it right now though.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
i dont have time to look through all the old posts but
Is there any news yet on Pujols or Hollidays injuries?
Also I agree about Larussa. He has cost us so many games this year. Managers have their biggest impact in those extra inning games and he has really screwed us over in so many of those games this year. Once again the double switch to put the pitchers spot behind Albert killed us. Why not pinch hit Anderson? I’m sure this has all been said but damn it is just so frusterating. And wtf ryan franklin?
Even though that loss was so devastating it didn’t hurt that bad last night. Once they tied the game expected TLR would somehow manage us into a loss. I guess I just expect bad decisions/luck at this point.
by mick311 on Aug 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he gets worse every season
he’s a joke and is making a mockery of the team
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
so has there been any injury news on matt or albert
And if they will play tonight?
by mick311 on Aug 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have no idea
it’s going to be really hard for me to tune in at this point
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
In worse news
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Aw.
I figured this was coming sooner rather than later. I don’t think he’s been at the park as much this season.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 27, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a shame.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Aug 27, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Win in for the Hayser!
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Win it, too
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
oh now this is ridiculous!
i realize Randy Winn is a super-sub type but does he really have to man the stadium Organ too? sheesh
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
you know what they say about organs
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wow
Hays at one point in the 1970s played for seven sports teams, and he also had a full-time job as an engineering supervisor with the old Bell System, the Post-Dispatch added.
I can't take it anymore!!!
All this lousy news regarding the Cardinals makes me wanna keel over, die, and r
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the wrong
damn one to be retiring.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess Miles/Feliz/Non-Kelly Johnson was more than he could take too.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought he got fired when Busch III opened up
and they have been using a new guy & recordings he made at old Busch?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
If there ever was a time
for a TWSS, this would be it.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: Has anyone heard of Paper Tongues?
I was buying music off amazonmp3 today, (they’ve got a huge 5.00 album sale going on) and one of the recommended albums was Paper Tongues. It’s a good sound, and I’m surprised I haven’t already heard of them.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
YOu can buy them?
So it’s pudding and oreos crumbs?
I guess I should have guessed that someone would package that up and profit.
and a gummy worm
apparently the SIUE food court sells them
$1.75 and it’s huge
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
so, homesickness food.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
for you maybe
homesickness food looks completely different for me
it consists of a lot of cured meats nom nom nom
but the dirt cup was tasty too
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
think: easy to prepare for harried mom with hard-to-entertain kids
so kids are reminded of mom
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hard to entertain? throw them some goddamn books and tell them to shut up
don’t feed them crap. i am actually starting to regret it a little, my stomach didn’t take it too well. still yummy though but i think it’s one of those things you eat once or twice in life
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
they eat it all the time
does that explain anything?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What are you at SIUE for?
That’s where I went to school! (GREAT school by the way — nothing but positive things to say about it. It does have some shitty alumni who owns a dog named Yadi though.)
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Aug 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alumni = plural; alumnus, alumna = singluar
/pet peeve
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
not this again
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there's a aluminium sub-thread
somewhere in the bowels of veb
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i thought the bowels were filled with bacon & alcohol?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I know
I didn’t want to fry his motherboard. Also, alumnae would be plural (f.) but alumni seems to be the all-encompassing plural form used in this country.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Everywhere actually
Roman society wasn’t known for its feminine slant. The masculine was always assumed when discussing mixed gender groups (even if it was 1 guy and 99 ladies).
Psh
Roman women didn’t go to college
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Your mom went to college.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that's probably where his dad met her
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
i work at siue
cause i wanted to go to grad school for cheap
it’s not a bad school but we’re struggling with the state appropriations as everyone else
will look for a more interesting employer in the near future though
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
By appropriations you mean
the fact that your appropriations are fine but the our lovely state doesn’t actually transfer the money to you. hahahah
yeah, only
they slash your appropriations by several million first
and then they forget to transfer them for 10 months until they remember the election is coming
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Well, I worked there as a student
while I was in college from 2003-2008. Tour Guide, Freshman Orientation program. So I should have put worked in quotes as it was student positions.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
i just dug out your contract
you quit a couple of days after i was hired
shame really, it would have been good company for afternoon coffee (you at least, me not so much)
i promise not to sell your ssn haha
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
$0.75 for his SSN
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll drop a line when I'm on campus next time
and maybe we can get a cup of coffee.
(And yes everyone, I know she’s married. Let’s not go down that road. Inappropriate.)
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Let the record show
I am 100% against human-robot relationships. Robosexuality is immoral.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does this bring us full circle to the toaster?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
This CodyG comment is brought to you by Comedy Central
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
As in the new season?
Or last night’s episode?
The only minor complaint that I’d have thus far is the lack of math jokes. /serious
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
The new season
With the exception of the Leela/Brannigan episode, they have all been terrible in my opinion.
I didn’t see last night’s episode yet.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The Late Phillip J. Fry
and The Prisoner of Bendah, along with the season premiere have all been excellent. And the lesser episodes have still had their share of swell jokes. I’m going back through Futurama episodes and I don’t think the show has lost much.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and by much I mean anything really
I think this season stacks up with the show, which is, incidentally, probably the funniest/smartest show I can think of
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, the season opener was good as well
So I guess I liked the first two episodes a lot, but the other ones weren’t very good.
The one about the Apple Apps, the Robosexuality one and the Cats one were all just awful. Maybe I’m just overrating the old futurama episodes, but there isn’t a lot of clever lines or funny references in the new episodes.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Cats was a waste of an episode
I remember this same discussion with Family Guy. I love the new episodes as much as the old ones. I think this is nostalgia effect.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
The Katz one was a disappointment, but i think
it will play a touch better with a second viewing
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 27, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's possible
It definitely seems to me that Family Guy and Futurama and South Park have all gotten worse over the years – it’s just bound to happen when you run out of stories, but it could just be nostalgia.
Oh, and the biggest complaint I have about Futurama is that they are no longer a delivery company. I thought that theme made the show a lot funnier.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about Futurama at least losing something during the layoff.
Is it just me or is the comedy on the show a lot less nerdy and much more obvious and also political now?
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
A lot more gimmicky as well
Like with the Apple episode.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I just feel like some of their jokes are practically presented with giant signs that say "GET IT? GET IT YOU STUPID FUCKERS?"
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Aug 27, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they've all gotten a lot worse
family guy is completely unwatchable now & sp is just out to do the most “controversial” story they can do. which is hella boring, and i couldn’t even sit through futurama.
everything sucks as it gets older
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
You son of a...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
things that even an average manager with common sense does not do
play Felipe Lopez at shortstop
use Ryan Franklin for more than one inning at a time
encourage players like Aaron Miles to be on your roster
etc etc etc
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
completely irrational
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree, but then, everybody knows I disagree
A normal manager in Houston played Pedro Feliz for four months; Joe Torre slagged Jonathan Broxton’s arm right in front of us. Most of the problems we project onto La Russa are problems that are incredibly common to managers as a group, who tend to have Their Guys, rely too much on the closer metaphor, etc.. Oquendo (or whoever replaced him) would no doubt do the same things.
yeah
there are other definitions of normal manager I guess.
bottom line: Tony needs to be managing for a different team.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you Dan
Tony drives me crazy at times, but I shudder to think what his replacement will be like. And Duncan alone makes all of the crazy Tony worth it.
Well,a normal manager in Houston
with a MUCH crappier roster than ours. Who else was he gonna play at 3rd?
You got that right.
.865 OPS in 237 PA’s to date.
By the by, Ruben Gotay: .860 OPS in Memphis.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure stl had nothing to do with broxton
it was philly and sf
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
realistically speaking, what are the odds tony gets fired mid-season?
at this point, i have to think they are > 0
this situation – a team severely underperforming – is exactly the situation where managers get fired.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I only worry how this would make Pujols feel
I think we have to let Tony quit himself.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cardinals don't fire TLR
TLR fires the Cardinals
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately
this is only a slight exaggeration. I am so aggravated, extremely lame situation
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be interested to see him try that
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 27, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
zero
tony’s never getting sacked
he’ll go out on his terms and when he wants
i am sure there are a lot of things causing our inconsistencies probably half of which we’re not even aware of and they’re not all on tony
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
he's been manager long enough
things have grown very stagnant, time for a change. unfortunately that is easier said than done because of stupid baseball reputations, etc
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i am sure his dream team looks different
but he doesn’t control the money
and what you call stagnant, he calls a managing style
i think he could do less and it’ll probably be for the better
but all in all he’s a good manager, and keeps the team in check
it could be worse – we could be under lou pineilla
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
at this point I'd much rather see what the team looks like NOT in check
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want someone to be a good manager
not one that is dumb.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Zero.
Tony is here to stay, forever. I wonder who the new manager in Chicago will be.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
His name is Ryne Sandberg.
It’s so obvious, only the Cubs would cock it up.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i should clarify...i'm not expressing an opinion one way or the other whether he SHOULD be fired
just wondering if its crossed the mind of anyone in the FO that he’s made some questionable decisions and perhaps players aren’t responding to him anymore
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i highly doubt anyone in the owners box has thought about it
but i really hope MO, Luhnow & the others in the FO have & are dropping hints to the owners that it’s time for a new manager
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Hey all
When Red Baron takes down a post because it was deemed too political, that’s not license to discuss it in the main thread. I’ve removed some comments from the main thread because they’re becoming personal attacks drifting toward politics.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
what?
the nerve, robot, the nerve!
just because you’re indestructible, doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want
/i just wanted to bitch, i agree on the no politics
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
I'm probably one of the few that things that political discourse pretty much can crop up anywhere at any time
the funny thing is, the no politics thing is also political. heh.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, look at your avatar, Chitown!
You’re just begging for it.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
nice sig!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever you do
don’t begin typing Tony La Russa into google….you get this:
Tony larussa….which is followed by either:
Tea Party
and Albert Pujols
Immigration
arizona law
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my personal favorite on the list
That i didn’t mention is twitter. Remember that whole thing?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you didn't remove my Monty Python ...
The directors of the firm hired to continue the comments after the other people had been sacked, wish it to be known that they have just been sacked. The credits have been completed in an entirely different style at great expense and at the last minute.
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh...but it's not random.
Go watch Holy Grail about 5 or 6 times.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you're right, it's been 5 years since i last saw it
i’d due for some coconut banging and bloody bunnies
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
get on with it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that doesn't even count the oral sex.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and the spankings.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
....we all have different priorities, I guess
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
At least RiverRat gets me today
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
deleted outrage only grows stronger
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What happens to a comment deleted?
Does it sit empty
like a plastic cup drained of $7 beer?
Or fail in high leverage
and then go count its money?
Does the commenter run to the PD boards?
Or stick around and play nice
to bitch on twitter later?
Maybe like our pythag
its correction never comes.
What are they up to on Red Reporter now?
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Aug 27, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
blah blah asshole robot blah blah
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Aug 27, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Just another day in the life of the robot.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Just like a fucking whig.
IT’S TIME TO TAKE BACK AMERICA FROM WHIG ROBOTS!
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 27, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMG, John Jay!!!
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 27, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SHEEPLE
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
here is some good news..for me, anyway
my boyfriend got me a Cardinals snuggie!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
It may be August
But the past few days it has been unusually cool
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish it were cool here...
Been hotter than nine hells for the past three weeks.
by RollBirdsRoll on Aug 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It was hot and humid earlier in the month
But for about the past 4 days or so it would be in the mid-upper 70’s, and last night it dropped to around 64
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
hovered btween 95 to 100 here for the last two weeks, with humidity in the 80% ranges as well
just brutal.
We got a break today…it’s “only” 90 with 73% RH.
by RollBirdsRoll on Aug 27, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Arizona nights can be quite chilly.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Summer in MT is all abot that.....
50 degree temp swing are the norm at 6000 ft ASL.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm quite happy with the climate here,
as opposed to the sauna that you live in.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i get to go to cardinals home games whenever i want to
and burn and blister in the sun but hey..
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
i have one on my camera at home....will post later tonight.
its really soft and nice and i actually need it because he keeps the house at like 74 degrees
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
74?
I wish my house was kept that cool. My older brother keeps his house at 60 and I really want to move in, though I don’t think my sister-in-law would appreciate it
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
He said it’s not that bad at all. My other brother keeps his apartment down at college at 55.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the fuck? 55 is really, really, cold. that has to be dangerous to be that cold all the time.
it must not be that hot there. if i tried to keep my house at 55 degrees, my AC unit would explode
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
He's at UCM
So essentially the same temperatures as STL.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
then i just don't believe you.
i call shenanigans. SHENANIGANS!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Ha
I’ll have him take a picture of his thermostat sometime
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd keep my place at 50 if i could
i hate being so f’ing hot all the time
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I lived in a place where the electric/utilities were "free" AKA included in the rent
So 65 was the standard.
Not afraid to nitpick
74... must do math... 23.. what?
do you have cows on hooks hanging from the ceiling?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
he's just naturally warmer than me, all the time
plus i have adapted to the arizona heat in an insane, survival of the fittest kind of way. darwin would be studying me. i am cold if its under 80 degrees.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
My SO wore her Uggs last week because it was below 70.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
*face palm*
uggs were all the rage on campus at U of A. nothing like seeing girls in tank tops, jean skirts, and fucking uggs.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
She gets cold pretty easily,
and I wasn’t upset later that night when she didn’t freeze me out of bed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't mind heat
But when you throw in ungodly humidity percentages, that’s where i say “Screw you guys, I’m going home.”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
we get it, you're a pretty hotshot lawyer with hot boyfriend who may or may not pull for a certain unnamed rival team
you don’t have to keep rubbing it it. i’m almost outta bacon & bourbon, aren’t i suffering enough already?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I missed the excuse/rationale
sorry if this has been covered already, but I haven’t seen it.
I was in the kitchen when Lopez was replaced by Boog. 4th inning was it?
What was the explanation at the time?
a) Tony was finally pissed and had enough
b) the old Lopez pulled a hammy or wrenched his knee ploy
c) went unexplained
d) other
Seriously, I have not yet heard what was said or what was in the wind. I’d LIKE to think (stealing from another poster during game thread) that Carp took Tony to the tunnel for a little ‘chat’
Tony finally realized that playing Lopez at shortstop is a bad idea
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
we can only hope but somehow i doubt we've seen that last of Lopez at ss
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
ugh
yeah, he will probably forget
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Tony
He only took him out last night because it looked like Lopez’s arm was hurting.
Personally, I believe Carpenter went into the tunnel and retrieved his luggage.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't believe a word he says
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
New Tagline:
VEB: Welcome to the PD Boards.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
fire Larussa!
oh wait, people have been saying that all season. make that, 3 seasons
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
please for goodness sake
no more! move along! I don’t care who the manager is I don’t want one guy managing my favorite team for more than a decade (let alone 2 which is probably what we’re going to get)
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
TERM LIMITS FOR MANAGERS!
… oh, shit, I forgot, no politics. Now I’m gonna get banned.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought posts like this weren't allowed?
It’s almost word for word of an example in the “rules” of things you aren’t suppose to do.
You’d think we were the Pirates organization the way some of our fans talk.
people have been wanting Tony Larussa around here for YEARS
when did you join the party?
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops
forgot the word “fired” there. just pretend that I didn’t mean fired and you are a happy camper!
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i was soooooooooo confused..i literally wasted 2 minutes rereading it and then saw ur reply
:)
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
totally want him
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
the?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
he's not me!
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
exactly
I’m not sure what he is getting at here
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
unless he thinks "fire" is literal.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah
I don’t think Larussa should be exposed to open flame…. I just think he should be at home sitting around and watching baseball with his old friend Lou.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
DD said he would probably keep on going regardless of Tony's decisions
or make a choice independent of it.
also, I noted in one of those feature interviews, he and Tony don’t hang out that much anymore. DD said he was more of a “homebody” now, and Tony’s always off on charity things.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Okay, well that is helpful
but I still think it would be hard to convince Dave to stick around if Tony is asked to leave
well, they've both said publicly that t'would not be the case.
honestly I think it’s Jaime, Adam, and the likes of Salas who would entice Dunc to stay.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and Yadier Molina.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I am lost as to which surgery CDunc is on
does anyone know what his rehab is now? last I heard he’s here in STL but then I forgot why
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
damn
has his skeleton been fully replaced yet
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they're having trouble bonding the adamantium to his bones
Fire TLR
by tehzachatak on Aug 27, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'll daydream about *that* slide into second base...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Dave likes to kill & eat things with fur on them
Tony, not so much. they’ve drifted apart off the field but are still mostly nsync on. Tony always says he’ll manager where Dave coaches, but Dave says he doesn’t have to have coach where Tony manages.
i really think with Dave living just south of Branson he’s more likely to keep coaching if Tony leaves. especially since the pitchers & Yadda depend on & love him so much
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
catching out manager on fire is against the commuinty guidelines?
well now what am I gonna do with that gallon of gas and that train ticket?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
we can change that train ticket to Bristol...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
YES!
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
I hate my keyboard and/or fingers
I do, I really do
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
so now I've got to clean up your non-existent mess?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
i may or may not be also to blame for Bristol not dying in a fire
but don’t take this as an admission of guilt
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Community Guidelines
Criticizing the cardinals section.
Read it.
Here is a little blurb:
however, nobody benefits from infantile ravings; these are not welcome. what are “infantile ravings”? they’re comments or diaries posted in the heat of the moment for no reason except to vent frustration. for example: if La Russa makes a questionable pinch-hitting decision that doesn’t work out, comments such as “FUCK YOU LA RUSSA !!!” or “You moron Tony! You couldn’t manage a little-league team!” are infantile ravings.
Are you telling me the board isn’t filled with such posts? Moreso recently, but still. Just b/c the mods happen to agree with the posts, doesn’t mean those of us that don’t want to read the nonsense, post after post, day after day. CFiC just posted like, 3-5 comments in a matter of minutes that added jack to the board, other than to bash TLR.
You don’t have to like him, but I’ve never, EVER in my career as sports fan, seen a message board allow fans to “eat their own” like I’ve seen here.
occasionally we'll have a miles/tlr/mo hate fest
but when i call prince fielder a fat fuck i get my ass chewed
hm….
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
and you've been here all of a month
if you can’t figure out that most of it is in jest, you need to relax a little bit
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
I've been here longer than a month.....
I just read the board, and decided to start posting a month ago.
And no, the fire TLR, DFA Miles, and other various rants are not in jest. The crowd that posts them, do it day in and day out, and are dead serious. Ask them.
Saying the team should cut its bad players is not criticizing the team
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also not substanceless when there has been plenty of analysis of how bad these players and manager are.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
you sure do like to pick a lot of fights
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
and most are in game threads
which is like a bee hive
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell's a bee hive?
i swear, if google charged for searches, you guys will have me broke in no time
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
it's just a metaphor.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i shoulda just
said, shit hits the fan and people start posting eels
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
although there very well could be some idiom I don't know.
it’s accidental education day, after all.
(“bee in his/her bonnet” is a good one to look up, if you don’t know it already)
….BEES! BEES! BEEEES!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there are literally hundreds of reasons to bash TLR that have been repeated ad nauseam
you are just offended because you are a Tony apologist
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
...clearly you've never been to BCB.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I haven't been to LL or MCC lately
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There's a difference between "FUCK YOU LARUSSA" and "LaRussa should be fired"
One can be argued and backed up
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
However, the first is perfectly acceptable
in a game thread.
/Game threads : where rules go to die.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no wonder GDM feels so at home in them
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
You should join us during the game more often, then.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 28, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
why don't you twist that knife a little more to the left please?
ahhh, that’s the spot
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Apologies.
I thought you were using the streams now.
You're Walgreen's sunglasses, Aaron Miles, you son of a bitch.
by The Continental on Aug 28, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
i haven't seen any streams or links all month
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I'd like you to point out one thing that I've said that would qualify as an "infantile raving"
I don’t really see you adding all that much to the board
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
PD Boards 2: Son of PD Boards
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just implying that a lot of stuff around here
is reaching that level lately.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
in proportion to what's happening on the field
it’s pretty calm, actually.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not the reactions,
just the hyperbole that’s being thrown around in the last month. I’ll shut it now, and not drag this farther down the rabbit hole.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the hyperbole tends to come from the same posters
blame SBN for not having thread-collapse.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm not sure how I should react,
to a season that has had more cliched gut and heart-wrenching shocking surprises than a season of 24 in a way that doesn’t offend your sensibilities.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
That's not what I was implying hazel.
I really shouldn’t have said anything. As I said above, I’ll shut it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Eh
We’ve been over the top by VEB standards. I don’t think there’s anything to retract. I just hope we’re more clever when hurling our invectives.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
just a little honest spleen venting
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
If Chris Carpenter wants to further proove his BAMF status
He should get this tattoo:
It takes a real man to wear that.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
Well, it appears to be quality work,
so I’d say it wasn’t yours.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 27, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For all, this is not my creation.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Yep....I'll rec it every time.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
A google image search for "Albert pujols riding a unicorn" yields:
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There actually are results for
“Albert Pujols Riding a Unicorn”?
Google, you truly are a wondrous creation.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of them point back here.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yes, exactly like that.
in fact i would want that more than the wolverine one. too bad i hate tattoos.
I might tune in so that I can scowl and shake my fist at Larussa
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So I won't be the only one then.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
it could be a fun game
every time they show him a scowl, shake my fist, then drink beer.
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
"Al, the crowd seems to be pounding the air with their fists, as though in solidarity with Tony."
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm actually of the point of not caring anymore.....
I’ve got no emotions left to give. I’m just gonna drink my beer and watch these last 40 or so games. Let the balls bounce where they may.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 27, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thankfully
I won’t be able to watch tonight. I’ll be playing poker, smoking a stogie, and drinking with friends…actually if you take out the poker and stogie, it’s essentially what I do every time there’s a cardinal’s game on.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 27, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been a fan for going on 3 decades
and I’ve never had a Cardinal team crush my soul quite like this one has.
Way to go, Cradinals!
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
I agree.....
but I still find myself thinking that they’ll go on a tear and win 35 of the next 40.
And then I have a drink.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 27, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I know...I was excited about the tickets I have for three against the Braves in a couple weeks...
but now I figure I’ll just get to have my heart stomped in person.
Still going and sporting the Cardinal Red, though.
by RollBirdsRoll on Aug 27, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how much this finish will impact the next year's ticket projections
it’s well known that wiggle room in the payroll correlates with ticket sales. especially problematic because they tend to do projections based on pre-sales, not walk-ups.
this could impact the product on the field for a while.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've been trying to remember how bad 2006 was
I think that fact that it ended so well has helped me to forget how crappy most of June-September was after that great April-May. And that big losing streak right at the end of the season was like watching a train wreck play out over a week. Of course, we were never out of first place after early May, and we didn’t have to deal with a team anywhere near as good as Cincy is this year….
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 27, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than June
2006 wasn’t that terrible. They were 9-16 that month but 74-63 the rest of the way.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but all of that distance above .500 came in April and May
At the end of May we were 34-19; after that we went 49-60. June might have been the worst month, but we also had losing records in August and September, including 7 or 8 game losing streaks in July/August and right before the end of the season. It was pretty ugly, especially since it came after that great start that looked like it was still 2004/2005. I imagine that’s part of what made it so painful – expectations (mine and quite a few folks’ here) were probably unreasonably high after that start. Luckily it worked out OK….
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
so much potential
such crappy results
i even paid for EI in hopes of a great season
should not believe what you read
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I've paid for EI every year
since it’s been out. I have no regrets.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
am i the only one who remembers 2003? that was way worse
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
yeah, the past two nights just really crushed my hopes.
made me realize that the team just isn’t going to get it done this year (the funny part is that i say this when we’re still just one game out of the wild card). too many ups and downs, too many disappointments, too many errors in roster construction. i was willing to wait a long time for them to turn it around and thought it had finally happened in the reds series (and again in the giants series), but they turned around and stunk up the joint again to the tune of 4-8 since the reds series.
i’m out of emotions for the 2010 cardinals. anything from here on out is a surprise. bring on september 12th and october 9th.
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 27, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
im still glad to follow the team to the end
i mean cards, giants, phillies, reds are all shitty
we’re not eliminated yet…plus we have TC for albert and waino and carp and garcia pitching is always worth going to a game
by guillermozeliak on Aug 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
wat
craig
jay
pujols
holliday
lopez
feliz
anderson
ryan
garcia
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
It's going to be like that time Luddy led off
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
LaRussa is just saying to VEB
You think I’ve been crazy before, well, check this one out, bitches!
Maybe this weekend, Wainwright will hit fourth! Yeah, Respect mah Gangster!
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 27, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
this
dang power trips
"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lolololololololol
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Aug 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a typo. Craig leading off?!
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Just when I was going to not watch for my own sanity,
a lineup too goddamn interesting not to watch.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Aug 27, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's a GENIUS
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i get frustrated with trainwreck games
but i can’t bring myself stop watching
explain this to me
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
You did yourself....
trainwreck.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Because you touch yourself at night?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 27, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
wait! more importantly, why isn't Yadi playing?
this was an unscheduled off day! i figured there’d be at least 12 straight starts till he sat again
Fire TLR
because even yadi is tired of this bullshit
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
by d-dee on Aug 27, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.