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A Frustrating Setback. Or Maybe a Disheartening Defeat.

You know, I sure am getting tired of writing about disappointing losses. I'm even more tired of trying to come up with synonyms for the words 'disappointing' and 'loss'. This season has put my personal thesaurus to the test, and it's been pushed just about as far as it can go.

Adam Wainwright continues his inexplicable struggles against the Pittsburgh Pirates, of all teams. Against Pittsburgh, Das Wagonmaker has an ERA of 4.73, his worst mark against any team he's faced at least five times. (His next worst mark is against the Cubs, at 4.13.) He's still won plenty of games against them, though that's largely due to the fact they're a lousy enough team the Cardinals can usually beat them even with a poor starting performance. Sadly, that was not the case last night.

So yeah, it was a rough night here in Cardinal land, as we lost with our ace on the mound for the second time in a row. The offense didn't look particularly anemic, to be honest; they put plenty of men on but just couldn't get them home.  It felt like one of those early 2009 losses, in fact, a game when runner after runner seemed to just sort of die out there somewhere between second and third as it got later and later. Paul Maholm, an intermittent thorn in the Redbirds' collective side, wasn't all that good, but when you let a guy off the hook that many times you can't possibly expect to come away with the win.

Star-divide

Believe it or not, though, there was some good news to be had in last night's game. Two pieces, in fact. The Cincinnati Reds were roundly drubbed by El Gigantes (16-5, bitches!!!), meaning the Cardinals didn't lose any more ground in the division race, a fairly shocking development just on its own these days. If you're looking for cracks in the Cincinnati armour, there are plenty to be found, as their pitching suddenly seems appallingly mortal. Edinson Volquez was blown out of the first inning in the first game of their series against the Giants, and both Mike Leake and Travis Wood, the Reds' talented rookie duo, got hammered last night. Wood was tagged for seven runs in just four innings, while Leake allowed six hits -- among them two homers -- and six runs while recording only a single out. Sort of makes you really appreciate Jaime Garcia all the more, doesn't it? (Knock on wood.) They're still hitting, but even just a small letup on that side of the ball could be disastrous for the Reds considering the way their run-prevention corps is functioning of late.

The other bit of good news is less important to the team, possibly a bit more important in the grand scheme of thigns. (Or maybe not; it's really tought to tell on these things sometimes.) Albert Pujols, while notably failing to hit home run #400 of his illustrious career, did got 3-5 on the night, raising his batting average for the season to a cool .322, which just happens to be one single, solitary point lower than Joey Votto's National League-leading .323 mark. (Votto went 1-4 on the evening, in case you were wondering.) This is significant, of course, because Albert currently leads the NL in both home runs and RBI (as well as a whole bunch of other stats that actually mean a lot more than RBI, but that's a complaint for another day), and has been on an absolute tear of late. It's often been said in order for a player to win a triple crown again at least one of the three statistics will have to have a really down season (i.e. a year when no one hits .360 or tops 50 homers), and this could very much be that year. If Albert were sitting just at his career average right now he would have a comfortable ten point lead on Votto. I honestly don't expect to ever see another Triple Crown winner in either league; it's just too hard to do. But if there's one player I've learned you don't ever, ever bet against it's Albert Pujols.

Now for another bit of bad news: while the Cards are playing the Pirates again tonight, and thus should have every chance in the world of winning the series, they're also facing Jeff Karstens, who to this point in his career has conducted an extremely effective campaign to have th Bud Norris Society renamed the Jeff Karstens Society. He's faced El Birdos three times, covering eighteen innings, and has a nifty 1.50 ERA to show for his troubles. I think we'd better hope Jake Westbrook has a better night than what A.D.A.M. just did.

A couple other random things:

Roy Oswalt played left field last night. It was pretty cool. Video here.

The other day, when Tom wrote about prospects in the Cards' system, there seemed to be some grumbling about Pete Kozma getting lots of undue flak from Spectniks (I need you all to help me make this word stick; I really like it), just because he isn't Rick Porcello. I've heard a lot of the same stuff over at Future Redbirds plenty of times. I really must protest this line of thinking. Pete Kozma isn't seen as a bust because he isn't Rick Porcello; he's seen as a bust because he's been largely awful to this point in the Cardinals' minor league system. His bat has been slow to develop, he makes errors at a startling rate for a player drafted with a sterling defensive reputation, and he isn't really super young for his level anymore. Rick Porcello really has nothing to do with why Pete Kozma takes so much flak.

On a totally unrelated note, Rick Porcello was awesome last night for the Tigers. Sigh.

I saw "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" last week, and I cannot recommend it highly enough, if only for an absolutely perfect use of the Rolling Stones' "Under My Thumb" and their inclusion of my absolute favourite T-Rex song of all time on the soundtrack. I never read the Scott Pilgrim comics; I somehow missed them, but my friend Travis did read them and assures me the movie tracks remarkably close to the original story, minus some stuff they left out for time reasons. I'm serious, you should go and see this movie right. effing. now. And if you hate it, you suck anyway. So there.

I was shopping the other day at Macy's, and as I was walking along I happened to spy something which perturbed me deeply. It was a Margaritaville brand cordless frozen concoction maker. That's right, a cordless margarita maker. (I believe it was called the Explorer model.)  Of course, being Margaritaville brand it was ridiculous expensive; I believe it was right around $300. Now, far be it from me to question the way anyone lives their life, but might I suggest if you're seriously considering purchasing a cordless frozen drink maker so you don't have to at least stay within extension cord distance of an outlet while making margaritas you likely have one of four things.

  1. Entirely too much money.
  2. Entirely too little brain.
  3. A pretty serious drinking problem.
  4. All of the above.  

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

Have a lovely day, everyone. It's pretty damned beautiful outside, and if the meteorological types are to be believed it's actually supposed to stay that way today. Enjoy it while you can.

The Baron's Playlist for the 25th of August, 2010 -- A Little Piano Interlude

"Across the Ocean" - Azure Ray

"Traffic Light" - Snow Machine

"We Used to Wait" - Arcade Fire

"Telethon" - Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton

"Perfect Day" - Lou Reed

"Down There By the Train" - Tom Waits

"It's a Motherfucker" - Eels

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the cordless margarita maker

is for tailgates i believe. i know its a baseball blog…

"Heh, Heh, Heh, Heh" -Mike Shannon

by jjwp on Aug 25, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

cheaper for larger parties

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some friends of mine have the corded version

and love it. They’re quite expensive for large glorified blenders.

Myself, I get annoyed with the frozen version.

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, you get out of my car

someone teach this lady about tropical liquers next time she’s in columbia

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not the liquor that's the problem. It's the ice.

I like them on the rocks, baby.

Today is excellent margarita weather.

by spants on Aug 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

tropical liqueurs is a place in columbia

that sells frozen alcoholic beverages

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not So....

..had an awesome mango margarita in Florida – the only good thing in that hell hole. It was delish!
:=8)

I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 25, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What part of Florida were you in that it was a hell hole?

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

OHHHHHH

Why would I go to Columbia?

by spants on Aug 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

because it's cool

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silver bullet + Cherry Bomb

It’s a cherry slurpee with everclear.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

we had a chance to narrow the gap last night

but we did not play good or smart against the pirates

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 25, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

-ly underrated

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

On the rocks is the only way to go.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd assume that's not made with a high quality te kill ya.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool.....best I can find in a restaraunt around here are Chili's

Good maggies, but fricking expensive, and the food is crap. I make a pretty good one at home though. 3-2-1 are the magic numbers.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

my wife is the margarita drinker

i like my tequila straight most of the time.

by swmofan on Aug 25, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm

3 parts tequila, two parts marg mix, one part ____?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ice.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

more tequila.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Aug 25, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 parts tequila, 2 parts lime juice, 1 part Grandma, triple sec etc.....

and a splash of OJ.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you're at resorts in mexico

and you order a margarita, they give you a frozen one unless you say “rocks”. Very annoying.

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it's probably better if the ice is ground up,

vs. just chilling the drink and melting off.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How?

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it's really not.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your sarcasm meter needs adjusting,

or mine. I was being a smartass.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be confused with actual VEB Product Endorsements.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are great for boats and float trips too

Especially with women involved. Take note single men.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

and camping.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/margarita-recipe/index.html

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 25, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other little tidbits, courtesy Fangraphs leaders boards

Pujols is .010 behind Votto in wOBA. He trails Votto by seven points in OBP, and leads him by 14 points in SLG. He’s ahead of him in wRC than, and ahead of him in Fangraphs’ WAR as well, by .2. Pujols now trails only Ryan Zimmerman in NL WAR, by .2 again.
So basically this awesome streak by Pujols has cleared away most of the statistical argument that Votto has been better than Pujols this season. Or at least it has if you just look at Fangraphs’ leaders board and give it no particular thought beyond that (like me! It’s fun!).

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Also

Albert’s UZR numbers are in the positive now.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will be interesting to see if he can keep it up for the rest of the year

We may need him to if we’re gonna make the playoffs.

It would be quite the stretch run by ole #5.

by boilertiger on Aug 25, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

After work, I went for a drink with my bosses and an older member of our profession was at the bar.

He is a wonderful guy. We had a 30-minute conversation on Mickey Mantle that then turned to Musial (he cried while reading Posnanski’s article on Musial) and 1950’s baseball. Finally, we got to the modern era and he said, “Boy, that Pujols is white hot now, isn’t he?” To which I replied, “He sure is, but I don’t know if the team has enough to make the postseason.” His reply was that the Cardinals will make the postseason “because Pujols won’t let them not make the postseason.” I felt a lot better about the team after this conversation. Of course, then we lost to Pittsburgh. With Wainwright on the mound…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine he would say,

“Pujols got the hit and Oquendo held the runner. If Oquendo hadn’t of gotten in Pujols’s way, he’d have won the game for ’em.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or,

if it had been Pujols’ twin running (who would have, of course, ignored the stop sign)

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 25, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind Votto has to keep up his pace too

I’d bet on Albert to keep up his high level over Votto continuing to maintain his. The spoiler to me is Dunn, he could hit 5 or 6(maybe more) homeruns over a week at any time. I have a feeling history is within arms reach for Albert.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will be fun to watch

I was hoping that Votto had a really lucky-looking BABIP this year or something, and while it’s high it’s not much higher than in the rest of his career so far.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

.360 should regress pretty hard still

Pujols’ career BABIP is only .320. Ichiro is really the only guy who’s been able to sustain a +.350 BABIP over a long period of time, and Votto ain’t no Ichiro.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking, but I dunno...

is there a number of PAs when it becomes possible it will stay that high? Votto’s career mark is something like .350. But that’s only with 3 full years in the majors.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

BABIP for pitchers's stabilizes,

meaning it predicts future BABIP at greater than a 50% rate, at around 3750 balls in play.

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/r50_at_bip_1500_for_babip/#comments

That’s a staggeringly high number. Adam Wainwright has allowed 2369 BIP for his career, meaning we would regress his career BABIP about 60% to the mean.

Now that’s for a pitcher, it’s well known that hitters have more control over BABIP – I’m not sure how much, I don’t think the numbers have been run. Let’s say it’s R = .50 at BIP = 750.

Votto has had a little over 1000 balls in play for his career, meaning we would regress his BABIP about 65% to the mean.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting!

I had no idea that even pitchers’ BABIP took that long to become predictive. Cool guesstimating.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for explaining that

This baseball game is surely for the patient sports fan. It’s amazing how the data tells the story over time.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup.

Not nearly enough locker-room profanity.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeter's career BABIP is .357

Wild, huh? Ran into that pretty recently.

by astrostl on Aug 25, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols's slash line is about as good as Votto's, and one player plays in a bandbox while the other plays in a pitchers park

Plus, Pujols has better counting stats. I think there is zero evidence that Votto has been better than Pujols this year now.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget defense.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tell me if i'm wrong

Playing in a band box would be good for homers/rbis obviously. When the field area is more confined wouldn’t that create a less friendly BA effect due to less gappers?

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok you see where i was going though

Interesting Votto’s stats are a decent margin better on the road. I also took for granted the effect homeruns have on BA, in Votto’s case 18% of his hits are HRs.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

also, less foul territory

means less BIP with zero possiblity of going for hits. Easier to maintain a high BABIp if you never pop out on a foul ball.

Speaking of which, Votto has not yet hit an infield fly ball this season, and he has a 25.7% HR/FB rate, according to fangraphs. That is absurd.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Aug 25, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

what else would they be?

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Aug 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

(to paraphrase)

less foul territory means fewer foul outs

Is a huge factor, and more important than the outfield walls.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 25, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone checked hittracker to see how many close home runs they've had

so TC-wise, there’s that.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Identical wRC+ (wOBA-derived rate stat with park adjustments)

If Pujols wins the TC, he’s the NL MVP. If not, it could just come down to who wins the division. And as often as that seems to get overvalued in decisions which aren’t actually close, I think it’s a fair enough tiebreaker when two players have practically equal offensive years and close enough defense.

by astrostl on Aug 25, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This might be Albert's "signature" year

He hasn’t really had a “signature” year, but he’s had a “signature” career.

by boilertiger on Aug 25, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

but has he had a moment

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn't?

2008, batting .357, OBP .462, OPS 1.114 looks pretty damn signature!

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

On his HOF plaque

It will be difficult to point to one year and call it his best.

I’ve always felt 2003 was his best.

by boilertiger on Aug 25, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

wOBA

.462 in 2003 and .458 in 2008.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's interesting, so I have a followup basement question

I just took a quick look at OBP and OPS.

What would cause 2003 to be a higher wOBA?

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was going on the league?

I think wOBA adjusts yearly like OPS+. It was still early 2000s, offense was probably up that year compared to 2008.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

wOBA doesn't adjust for league

At least not directly. The weights in wOBA are adjusted by year, but I’m not exactly sure how that would effect a players wOBA. It could be that Fangraphs removes itentional walks.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh...

Well, wouldn’t offense be up in both leagues back then? I hope I’m not misunderstanding you…

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

These are quick reads.

The Book on why wOBA is better than OBP or SLG. (Also, a hint. When evaluating wOBA, just think of it on the OBP scale.)

Here is a decent Fangraphs post, too:

So, why should you care about wOBA? What makes it better than OPS or any of the more famous rate statistics that measure offensive value? The beauty of wOBA lies in linear weights. Essentially, every outcome has a specific run value that is proportional to other outcomes – a home run is worth a little more than twice as much a single, for instance. What wOBA does, as all linear weights formulas do, is value these outcomes relative to each other so that they are properly valued.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is the valuation of the outcomes based on a correlation with runs scored or something?

Basically, they’re not weighted against each other simply by how many bases are involved, like slugging does… right?
I guess I’m wondering more specifically where the “run values” come from, mathematically.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

This offseason,

Yahoo did a nice series on stats. Here is an excerpt from the post on wOBA:

As Dave Cameron of FanGraphs writes, wOBA is useful “when you just want to know how a batter did at the plate, regardless of who was on base or what the score was at the time.” It’s basically a variant of linear weight formulas, which George Lindsey and Pete Palmer helped develop. Linear weights attempt to properly value a player’s contributions at bat by weighting each possible outcome (walk, home run, single, double, etc.) with regard to the number of additional runs that player’s team can expect to score as a result.

For example, home runs have a run value well over one because runners can be on base, and singles have a value slightly higher than walks, because singles frequently move baserunners from first to third or from second to home. The exact coefficients are determined by an analysis of game data. They are, therefore, relatively precise averages.

The run value of each outcome is compared to the run value of an out, which is defined as zero. (We’re ignoring the notion of “productive” outs, because we’re only concentrating on the person at bat.) The values are then multiplied by 15 percent to scale wOBA so that average wOBA is defined as equal to league OBP. As Tom Tango says: “In other words, an average hitter is around 0.340 or so, a great hitter is 0.400 or higher, and a poor hitter would be under 0.300.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok thanks, that's good info

So he basically did more “more useful things”.

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

I would like to suggest everyone read the last sentence, quoting Tom Tango, and then remember that Aaron Miles has a wOBA of .298.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

That does a slightly better job of explaining what the run values are. But I still don’t get why the value of a home run is X relative to the run value of an out. In that The Book article, the value of a homer was 1.7. Why was it 1.7 and not another number? I think that’s the best way to ask what I’m asking. They have to come up with the actual run values somehow, I just don’t know how they do that. I don’t know if it’s based on logical consequences or each event, or correlations from past years, or what.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should be "logical consequences OF each event"

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe

those sorts of things are gleaned from historical correlation. I won’t swear to it, though.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not correlation

It can be gleaned from correlation, but that’s only a substitute. You actually look at the change in run expectancy following an event.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pardon me.

Correlation isn’t the word I was looking for. My mistake. I meant they base those values on the average number of runs whatever outcome has been worth historically on average, correct?

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 1.7 number

On average, a team scores 1.7 more runs after a home run is hit.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh

So, historically, homeruns lead to 1.7 runs being scored, on average? Enough of those homers happen when a man is on base to make the number way higher than just the one guaranteed run that always happens.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody should make a fanpost

explaining some of these sweet stats. You know, FIP xFIP, wOBA, WAR, UZR, OPS+. I have thought about it but I am sure someone else knows a lot more than me. You know, this is all in hope VEB can speak a universal sabermetricky language.

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Aug 25, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we did a sabremetric glossary or something as a Fanpost one time.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I found this fanpost.

Has links to other sites explaining some stats. Sabermetric Primer

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Aug 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I found this fanpost.

Has links to other sites explaining some stats. Sabermetric Primer

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Aug 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

someone did

in fact, I think VEP did a FP post explaining a lot of the metrics and linking to some other good primers

by mattyp on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is to say,

check vivaelpujols post history

by mattyp on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Becasue, when a home run is hit, oftentimes runners are on base,

which means that the average home run plates more than one run.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should think that runners are on base just as often as when a single as hit...

…as a homer, perhaps moore because there are moar singles hit during a season than homers. But what trips me up is its ‘worth’. To me a homer is worth far moore than a single because while rarer the odds are far better for winning the game by hitting a homer than they are for hitting a single, double, triple, or getting a walk. Its the only result that guarantees a least one run, which is all that is required to win a game.

I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 25, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The empirical approach to Linear Weights is closely related to the concept of Run Expectancy. To generate the weights, some sample of data (often all plays in a given league-year, or over the course of several years) is analyzed. The change in run expectancy on each play is calculated as follows:

Change in RE = Final RE – Initial RE + Runs Scored on play

For example, take the case of a grand slam with 2 outs, using this RE Table. The initial RE is for the bases loaded, 2 out state (.815 runs). The final RE is for the new state, which is bases empty, 2 outs (.117 runs). Four runs scored on the play, and thus the value of the play was .117 – .815 + 4 = 3.302 runs.

After doing this process for each play, the results are averaged to produce the Linear Weight values.
This procedure will result in out values that will estimate runs above average (or in other words, the sum of the product of the coefficients and the frequencies of each event will be zero). In order to estimate the total number of runs scored, to the coefficients of events which include outs (i.e. a strikeout, caught stealing, double play, etc.) must be added 1/3 of the expected run total for the inning (equivalent to the bases empty, no outs run expectancy) for each out on the play.

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by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ignore my comment. Read this one.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incredible seasons wasted

That’s a pretty big blow to that old timer’s statement about Pujols not letting the team miss the playoffs huh

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he can't pitch.

In ’03, our pitching was a disaster. In ’08, Carp missed essentially the entire season and Wainwright missed significant time. We also had The Great ’08 Bullpen Implosion. In ’08, he nearly did carry us to the playoffs. I think what my colleague meant was that, with the Cardinals team playing as it is, Pujols can carry them over the finish line with a Pujolsian effort. We are in the midst of one of these Pujolsian efforts right now. He has raised his batting average by 10 points in August. 10 points. In August. 10 points in June is perfectly feasible, but by August, BA fluctuation is usually 2 or 3 points.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it becomes mathematically really hard to do that

He’s been so good this month.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you all see him get mad in the 1st?

when he hit that single? He thought he should have hit it out of the park. Only that dude gets angry about a laser-shot single.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget The Great '03 Bullpen Implosion

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I shudder...

Here’s the pitching staff that year. Yikes.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Ohme

Sounds like someone’s got their own personal religious chanter or something.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop it.

I thought we agreed not to bring up Esteban Yan ever again. This is, like, twice in a two-week span. He was all but erased from my memory!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about..

…Carmen Cali?? Believe it or not he was worse…
:=8.

I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 25, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Tabaka?

I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 25, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was in attendance for this game,

and I thought we had also agreed not to bring this up again.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Mohler? Gene Stechschulte?

We always have that one guy with intense suckage that u just knew had about as mooch chance of getting an out as a dove bar has to get free from Oprah’s freezer…

:=8/

I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 25, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was Springer's first run with the Cardinals

8.97 FIP, K-rate south of 6.0, and an almost-unbelievable HR rate of 4.15. Wow.

He made up for it though when he came back and brought those filthy turbo breaking balls with him.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like 2009 as well

simply because of the crazy counting stat totals (124 R, 135 RBIs, 44 (!) IBBs), and because his “proper” stats were only a shade worse than 2008’s (and he played a few more games IIRC).

This year is STILL actually looking like one of the worst of his career, although offense has been down so much over the whole league that his wRC+ (which measures his production against league average) is actually pretty much at his career level, even though his BA, OBP and SLG are all quite a bit below. AND he might win the triple crown. That would be awesomeness squared.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He also came close to that in 2004

with 46 homers and 52 strikeouts. Also he has 99 extra base hits that year, which is just fun.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have always held out hope that Pujols would have more home runs than strikeouts in a season.

This season, that hope vanished quickly.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Yeah, the window of opportunity may have passed on that one. It’s still a very impressive feat, given the era he plays in and the fact that he has enough power to lead the league in homers certain years.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't every year a signature year?

I mean, almost every year of his career has been exceptional in at least one way, or multiple ways. 2001 was a ridiculous rookie season, 2002 was excellent even though it was a step down. In 2003 he officially became “The Albert Pujols”. From 2006 onward only one player has exceeded him in the NL for season WAR, and that was David Wright in 2007, when Albert had an awesome year despite it looking like a down year offensively, and Wright only led him by decimal points. I know WAR has flaws but it’s so easy to look up I can’t help but use it as a crutch.
The other pattern is that, when some player does rival Pujols in total value for a year, he doesn’t do it more than once. Andruw Jones and Derrek Lee both were awesome in 2005, and haven’t been anywhere near that awesome since. Beltran was ridiculous in 2006 and hasn’ t been that awesome since. Utley has been number two in the league a few times but never was he good enough to really come close. No player but Albert Pujols has put himself at the very tip top of awesomeness in the league year after year. I’d like to see someone take 10 career years from some very good or excellent players and compare it to Pujols’ career. That would make a cool graph.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Maching!

he is ridiculous.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Bill James

and/or Joe Poz did that not too long ago. Maybe I’m totally imaging it.

by goodymobb on Aug 25, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's where I stole the idea from and didn't even remember

Anyway, some players can have “Albert Pujols” type year, but Albert Pujols happens to be the only True Talent Albert Pujols.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

HA

I think that was basically the premise….that he’s set an amazing standard. Sure, people can have a great year or two here and there and churn out HoF careers by doing just that. But Albert’s start to his career has been otherworldly.

Quick googling (didn’t read it) but I’m pretty sure this is the article I’m talking about.

by goodymobb on Aug 25, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Checkout page 2 for this gem:
Bill: There are so few players who compare to Pujols from the start of a career that I thought we could modify our criteria just a bit and 1) look for players who had nine consecutive seasons as good as Pujols’s at any point in their careers and 2) not insist that those nine seasons be as good as Albert’s weakest season, just somewhere near that standard.

Even applying that looser standard, I find only 19 players in history who have had comparable strings of nine consecutive years. All 19 of those players are Hall of Famers with the exceptions of Barry Bonds, Pete Rose and Manny Ramirez.

by goodymobb on Aug 25, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

his lifetime WAR is 82

In comparison, Ken Griffey Jr’s is 78 and he played CF.

by boilertiger on Aug 25, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite exercise is to take Pujols's career low in each statistical category and look at how great a season that would be for anyone else.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's some perspective on how awesome Albert really is...

Every year a different guy in the NL seems to step up and have a supremely great season. Examples that really jut out in my mind are Derrek Lee in 2005, Howard in 2006, Braun and Chipper in 2007, and now Joey Votto. And yet, as a great as these fine players’ seasons are, they’re basically in line with what Pujols does every single season. Other guys have great, career-type seasons and they can only barely keep up with Albert’s norm. I mean… wow… It blows my mind.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look @ that article

I linked above. I ended up going back and reading it again…tremendous stuff.

by goodymobb on Aug 25, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is very true.

I liked how Posnanski critiqued Verducci’s SI piece dubbing Hamilton the best player in baseball by saying that:

I don’t think Josh Hamilton is the best player in baseball. I think it’s just kind of silly to say that anybody at this point is a better player than Albert Pujols — this reminds me of the NBA’s constant effort to give someone other than Michael Jordan the MVP award.

If we take Pujols’s lowest season in each statistical category, here it is:

177 H, 32 HR, 99 R, 103 RBI, .314 BA, .394 OBP, .561 SLG, .955 OPS, .402 wOBA

I forget who first did this. I believe it may have been Goold. At any rate, that line is a pretty good one, even if it is Pujols’s career worst mark in each statistical category.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's a hall of fame career line IMO, even for a pretty poor defensive 1B or even a DH

over a 10 year + career. And that’s as bad as Albert EVER gets. Albert’s worst is literally being “merely” a hall of famer.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec

I’ve seen this before, but every time I see it, it astounds me all over again. I’ve even seen someone take his statistical month in each category, and even then it’s pretty decent.

by mattyp on Aug 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incredible, absolutely incredible

I read that Poz piece and chuckled. It’s like Albert is so great that, out of boredom or something, people try to think up reasons that other players are better than him that year when, as a matter of fact, they probably aren’t.

Ludwick posted a line not unlike that a few years back and everyone went “holy shit!” Pujols would do that and we’d wonder what went wrong. I mean… damn.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

the fact that his career low wOBA is over .400 is ridiculous. RIDICULOUS.

Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."

Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."

by tehzachatak on Aug 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's really pretty special

once this year’s all said and done, he’ll likely have NINE (NINE!) years of 7+ WAR in the bank (in fact, the worst of those by WAR is 7.7; I’m guessing if you pulled out all the players in history who have nine years of 7.7 WAR or greater, you probably won’t need more than two hands to count them on…)

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the consistency will be his signature

If he continues this run of excellence for another 6+ years he won’t need to have a signature year. Fringe to good HOF members are noted for signature years, he is looking to join the top echelon, the Ruth, Mays, Musial legendary class.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is currently the best RH hitter ever? Hornsby? Mays? Aaron?

I wonder if he could make a run at that by the end of his career.

Mays had a 164 wRC+, .413 wOBA over a 23 year career.
Hornsby had a 175 wRC+, .459 wOBA over 23 years, but the last 7 years he barely played (so his career is more heavily skewed by his peak), and he arguably played in an easier era, competition-wise.
Aaron 161 wRC+, .405 wOBA over 23 years.

Albert’s at a 175 wRC+ and .435 wOBA over 10 years. Factoring in some decline it’s probably going to be difficult for him to be the best RHH ever. I’m guessing he’s in the top 5 when he’s done, however, and he’s probably in that conversation now. I doubt he’ll end up being as good as Hornsby or Mays, especially, though.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

OPS+

Pujols: 172
Hornsby: 175
Mays: 155
Aaron: 155
Jimmie Foxx: 163
Frank Thomas: 156
Manny Ramirez: 155

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's about where I had him figured right now

but, as I said, gotta figure in some decline. I’m guessing it’s possible he’s ahead of Mays/Aaron when he’s done but it’ll be difficult and he’ll have to age extremely well. I think Hornsby may prove untouchable but I think you can always argue that he played in an easier era, competition-wise.

Somehow I feel like we’re both forgetting a great RHH but I can’t think who. A couple of the guys I thought were righties turn out to be lefties when I check…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've always thought of. . .

Pujols as the right-handed Ted Williams, from a hitting perspective, while a close friend of mine has always liked the Jimmie Foxx comparison.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 25, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

DiMaggio maybe.

A-Rod maybe. Ralph Kiner? Hack Wilson?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

DiMaggio maybe

163 wRC+, .439 wOBA, only 15 seasons though so that’s mostly peak stats. Still, compares pretty well with Mays and Aaron.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

I think DiMaggio lost time in his peak to the war, though, didn’t he? So, in essence, he could have had a couple more peakish seasons in there.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

CURSE YOU HITLER, FOR MAKING OUR HISTORICAL COMPARISONS OF SPORTS PROFESSIONALS MORE COMPLEX!!!! AMONG OTHER THINGS!!!!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Among other things?

Sheesh, what did Hitler ever do that was so ba-

Oh, yeah. Nevermind.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always knew "the red baron"

was the on-line pseudonym for Marge Schott’s ghost. “red” = Reds owner. . . “baron” = German

How very slick of you rb, er, Marge.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 25, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeahhhhh Schotzie!

She let her dog poop all over the Red’s infield…
;=8)

I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wins the triple crown

and Cooperstown really will start casting that bust.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Aug 25, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

2006

was his signature year. He should have been MVP. His HR binge got him all the remaining national attention he didn’t already have and we won the WS. Couple that with the Lidge HR in the playoffs going into that season and as far as a season goes, 2006 was Pujols signature year.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the home run in Game 1 of the World Series.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think 2006 was a “signature year” in a career of signature years. Although 2009 was close (i.e. where walking him with the bases loaded seemed like the intelligent thing to do). But 2006 he was ridiculous, unfortunately he missed those 2 weeks, in the middle of a hot streak, i can’t imagine his stat line with those two weeks.

It’s great to know that I have been able to watch a player on the level of a Ruth, Mays, Mantle etc… We are all extremely lucky to be Cardinals fans.

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by SheckieZx on Aug 25, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget about 2007 also

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaaah, Oswalt

that Astros-Phillies game towards the end looked kinda as if it were managed by TLR, and so did the result

speaking of starters in LF, i saw Lohse track down fly balls in the outfield last Sunday and he’s actually pretty impressive. accurate long throws too. i am starting to understand TLR decisions more and more. i must be losing my mind

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 25, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

so....................... is Bubbles going to pull an Ank?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

too soon

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

can he teach the outfielders?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The oswalt thing was awesome

I loved it. And him smiling about it in the outfield was great, too.

I’d like to have seen the Howard swing in slo mo; Quick Pitch wasn’t going into detail on it last night.

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saw a graphic pop up during the game

Cardinals are 4-44 when trailing after the 7th inning this year (now 4-45).

Holy Jesus that’s bad.

by lopey986 on Aug 25, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What is the typical winning percentage for a MLB club when trailing after the 7th inning?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably pretty close to 9%

I remember someone, somewhere, sometime attacking the “34-1 when leading after 8 innings” statistic. They compared the Yankees’ numbers to the Pirates’. The Yankees were xx-1, while the Pirates were xx-3. It wasn’t a huge difference.

by TBender on Aug 25, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Cardinals are probably with the margin of error of average.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I probably meant standard deviation or something like that.

Or statistical significance. Or whatever. Y’all smart math people can put in the appropriate statistical term.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I call it the "mattybobosucksass paradigm"

although I’m aware that term hasn’t quite reached a level of ubiquitous use in the literature, yet.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

They fight back but come up short

I know that has been the theme lately, but I feel like it has happened the entire year. It would be nice to see a stat that says how many times they have scored 2 or more runs after the 7th inning in games they trailed.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

that offsets their scoring first record I guess

they almost always win when they score first

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Musical selection that's more in line with my collection today RB, I'd say.

Favourite T Rex song eh? I’m going to have to be boring and go for Children of the Revolution. I quite like some of MB’s weird (and sorta crappy, in a goofballish way) later stuff when his star was waning as well.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

So did PIT scratch Karstens?

ESPN and Cardinals website now lists D.McCutcheon as their starter for tonight. I guess thats good considering our struggles against Karsten.

by mick311 on Aug 25, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, as fun as it is to have "Bud Norris facts" and the like,

I really don’t put any stock into us doing poorly for a few games against bad pitcher. We routinely do very well for stretches against very good pitchers. It’ll even out.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

again, the problem is

the bad pitchers are all in our own division.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The last time the Cards faced McCutcheon they won 11-1.

He lasted 5.2 innings. I know that having bad pitchers that dominate the Cardinals should even out over enough games, but I’m superstitious and I’m glad Karstens is out of there.

"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright

by spfldbird on Aug 25, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Triple Crown with ZiPS Updated Projections

Joey Votto: .318 BA, 35 HR, 108 RBI
Albert Pujols: .326 BA, 43 HR, 114 RBI
Adam Dunn: .262 BA, 39 HR, 101 RBI
Carlos Gonzalez: .313, 31 HR, 100 RBI

From: www.Fangraphs.com

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

If that held, it would be ridiculously super.

Along with Alfred, I’d rather win games in the playoffs.

"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10

by vico on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alfonso?

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Aug 25, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

so...

ESPN is still going to only talk about Votto winning….

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 25, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why does ESPN fail to keep up with the Cardinals?

Seems like on updates and news they just completely ignore St. Louis. It has bothered me for years.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think one always feels this way about one's favorite team.

What’s amazing to me is that Yankees fans feel that they get treated unfairly by ESPN; that is, while they get a lot of coverage, they feel it to be negative. In the midwest, we scream, “East Coast Bias,” but I don’t really think that is true in terms of Sportscenter and Baseball Tonight. Pujols, Holliday, Carpenter, and Wainwright get a lot of coverage.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the East coast thing

They are in New England/New York"s back yard. I am not whining either, I think we are better off getting less coverage. The more teams are in ESPN’s focus they tend to bend to it’s will. Agents like Boras and Rosenhaus flock to ESPN as campaign headquarters for their clients’ upcoming contract negotiations.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN just talked about Pujols chances for the triple crown.

They cited LD%, HR/FB%, and K% as to why he has been so good this month. MIND. BLOWN.

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Aug 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

I actually do remember recently (as in the last few days) seeing a segment on either ESPN or MLB Network on Votto’s chances for the triple crown. It was odd, because it was right in the middle of this ridiculous streak from Albert. Made me think they prepared it a week in advance or something.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have ratings to gain by stoking the flames of a Triple Crown race.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, ESPN really does pay more attention to Votto than Pujols.

I lol’ed at that funny commercial with Votto at the copier. So funny. Pujols just gets no respect in the media.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're always calling him those annoying nicknames

Like Jomega, and the Vobot, and the Votto-crat.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

what was up with him

staring down the pitcher (ramirez?) last night after his K? i think the dude has some serious anger management issues. a lot of the time, you’ll see him put his head down and scream or mouth off to the umpire or something. i think he thinks he’s doing it professionally, but it’s something we can clearly see or hear on TV

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops. I typed in his run total by mistake.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Pujols will ever lead the league with 10 crowns (and seven heads)

thereby bringing about the end of times?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that's exciting

Thanks bgh.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Aug 25, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Notably

he’s pretty well ahead in all three categories here, by the projections. You’ve got to put the odds at >25% at this point, no?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

To borrow from Chuck Klosterman

I’d put the odds at 50/50.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Aug 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

oohh...

perfect day Lou Reed. What a great idea.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

nice

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

OQUENDOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to be in Austin all weekend

Don’t know if I’ll get to see any of the up coming games. Which means there is a good chance I’ll miss #400 :-(

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 25, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bring a jacket.....

I hear it’s been cold down there lately.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Major cold front coming through this weekend too, from what I've heard

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kozma

I don’t think many people in the VEB-FR community think he’s a bust because of the Porcello thing (that is, we think he’s a bust for the right reasons).

I think there is a lot of the Porcello logic from the P-D poster types, especially initially.

Doesn’t mean he hasn’t been a massive disappointment so far though.

Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?

by Cardinals645 on Aug 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder what other talent we passed up to get Kozma

Obviously you can’t look at the Kozma pick entirely in the context of not picking Porcello, or entirely in the context of him being a first round pick. But I am curious what other first round talent was available that we chose to forgo, and how that talent is doing right now.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone looked at this somewhere quite recently, possibly FR

sorry I can’t be more specific. Upshot – there isn’t much that was picked in the 1st round immediately after Kozma which would make a massive difference to our system right now. One or two guys from lower rounds, but nothing much we’d be likely to have taken instead. I think John Mozeliak (or Luhnow, can’t recall) made a similar point recently when defending the pick.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I think I might remember hearing one of those guys say something like that too

now that you mention it.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's see...

In the first round after Kozma, besides Porcello J.P. Arencibia is the only name that really jumps out at me. I was a big fan of both Tim Alderson and Michael Main at the time, but Main has been hurt and Alderson has seen his stuff take a turn downward. Lemme see who else might be in the early secondish round area.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do, actually.

And I’m not as high on Cox as many others when it comes right down to it. He’s going to be a very good player, though.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it made a lot more sense to pass on Porcello than Cox

Porcello was a high school pitcher and very risky. Plus, iirc, he came from the north east and scouts didn’t get too many looks at him due to weather and such. He was asking for a lot more money, and had a higher chance of a complete flameout.

Cox however is a relatively low-ceiling college guy, and a comparatively safe pick. Considering that draft picks/prospects are generally considered to be bargains, why would you pass up on the closest guy (in the draft) to a sure thing?

Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?

by Cardinals645 on Aug 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But. . .

there were several problems with the Kozma pick, even if compared to Porcello. Namely:

1) are defense-first “make-up” high school SSs riskier than high school Ps?

2) Porcello had far more upside than Kozma.

3) the pick gave the appearance of drafting for need, and while drafting for need in a vaccuum is dumb enough, drafting for need and then picking a high school SS who most agree is at best 4 years away in mind-numbingly awful

by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 25, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brett Cecil went shortly after Mort.

Andrew Cumberland went a little after that. (Drew Cumberland was the guy a bunch of us were hoping for when we heard Ludwick was traded to San Diego.)

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So a few names do jump out

but it’s not like there was a completely loaded group of guys available that are all making us wish we had picked them.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Actually a fairly weak first round, all in all.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

and Cecil was seen as a low-ceiling talent IIRC, in the Mortensen mold…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got to hand it to the Jays

They have produced pitcher after quality pitcher up there. Seems like all their call ups thrive from the get go.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember.

I thought Cecil was the guy who had a lot of talk as a future closer because of the quality of his slider and the fact he threw fairly hard. I could be wrong.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ricky Romero

was the crafty lefty/back-end starter guy for the Jays. Came out of the U, I believe.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cory Luebke and Jordan Zimmermann

both went in the 60s that year. Too far down to really have been in consideration for that first round pick, but I’m just looking to see who the good picks were to date.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

The guy we should really feel bad about is

Mike Stanton. Went at 76, and we sure could use a stud RF nowadays.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um, I believe at that point we had Juan Encarnacion.

No need for a stud right fielder.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geez, that's a rookie mistake!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was my intent, I assure you!

Anyway, Stanton has been pretty impressive.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Slightly OT:

The Mikes (Carp & Trout) and, to a lesser extent, Stanton, really need to get more unique nomenclature. I get them mixed up all the damn time.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Carp needs to just go away.

Something about that dude freaks me right the fuck out every time I see him.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

To me

he looks like a much thicker version of Bill from Bill and Ted.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he looks like

a mushroom that grew underneath a tire in a deserted field somewhere, devoid of light and company, who learned to walk and entered the world in search of meaning to his existence.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

you’ve really put some thought into this.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he has.

Kid’s going to be a monster in a couple years, I think. Of course, going down this road just makes me mourn the loss of Austin Wilson…

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and if you were really trying

to make me feel bad about myself, you really need to find a better challenge for yourself. Fish in a barrel, my friend. Fish in a barrel.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't even know how to make people feel bad

It’s a flaw, almost. One time I almost got hit by a car crossing the street at a stop sign because he wasn’t paying attention. I yelled at him for like, half a second, but then we talked for a few more and I ended up saying no worries and shook his hand.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm the opposite.

I literally can’t comfort people. I try to tell them nice things, be sort of uplifting, and I somehow just end up bringing everyone down even more. I am…Bummerman.

Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!

by the red baron on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about this

and I realise that I can’t really do EITHER. I’m kinda crappy at shouting people out or putting on a guilt trip, and I’m liable to say the wrong thing whilst trying to comfort or uplift them.

So, that’s good…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

With out powers combined...

we make the average person!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am the kind of person

That almost never raises his voice. I rarely get mad. I just don’t let things get to me

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 25, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're the male Debbie Downer?

wow, that sucks.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

from fox posted in in other thread..

Is this team built for the postseason? Since the All-Star break the Cardinals are 13-3 against teams in contention; unfortunately they are 7-10 against everyone else

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Now that's a playoff team...

This is looking like 2006, but with better pitching. We have them all where we want them!

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

if they make the playoffs

and that remains a big if, given the reainder of schedule

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

They will make the playoffs

I’ll go as far as to say the Reds will drop out of the wild card too. Their pitching is unraveling as we speak. I am worried about them next year though. Those rookies will be more experienced and Jay Bruce could bloom at any time.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Bruce

I wonder what the odds are of Colby being better than Bruce in the long run. We identified Colby because we wanted Bruce but knew we wouldn’t get him. Now Colby seems to be doing better than Bruce, and Colby can still play center field while Bruce is a right fielder. They’re both still so young that there’s no telling, but maybe we got lucky by having to “settle” for Rasmus.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if playing to the level of one's competition makes a team "built for the postseason."

Our rotation certainly lends itself well to winning any playoff series. However, I don’t feel that our closer is what one thinks of when they think of a playoff closer.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just joking really

The Cardinals and Phillies would have to be neck and neck for the scariest NL team if they make the post season. Both teams are poised to finish hot.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the braves, in 2012.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

built for watching playoffs on tv

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 25, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want Colby back so bad!

I was hoping we would see him pinch hit last night. We really need a number 5 hitter right now, I could def see Raz coming back and going on one of his wild tears….that would be awesome

by mick311 on Aug 25, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

would be nice

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully when he comes back he can play regularly

It would be fitting if he played well down the stretch and in the playoffs. He could be this postseason’s Wainwright.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're standing in the cow's field.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Heeeee.....

I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 26, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not better... but it might be more entertaining

The movie just moves at a BREAKNECK speed, and everything is just really entertaining

Go see it… we wouldn’t steer you wrong.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

god, i just saw inception finally. first movie i saw in the theater since role models.

there’s pretty much no way i can go see another movie within the next 18 months.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you'll really like Scott Pilgrim. Just sayin'

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it in 3D?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked it better than Inception

Then again, I didn’t really like inception.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

there must be more math in Scott Pilrgrim

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Aug 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

K-cluster algorithms, possibly?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a family blog

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

It’s sort of a “Secret LIfe of Walter Mitty” for the video game generation. (DanUp and others, feel free to correct my analogy.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow this Cliff guy filling in for Bernie is such an idiot

He says “36 year old Randy Winn would of been a dead duck out at the plate….because Cedeno has such a great arm”…..well he may have a good arm but Winn would of been halfway to home and Cedeno would of been throwing off his knees from right field.

Then he followed it up by saying there is no way you should send the runner in that situation anyway.
Really? Because there was only one out.

I dont know maybe im wrong but it looked to me like Winn would of scored easily.

by mick311 on Aug 25, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think you send him there....

First, I agree in that I think he would have been safe. The runners would have advanced on the throw as well, so if he was thrown out, you end up with runners @ second and third with 2 out. Either way, Holliday had to get that ball out of the infield.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would have been a close play

but i think you send him. cedeno has to make a prefect throw off balance to get winn

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I send him.

Even if Winn is thrown out, which would require a great defensive play, you have Holliday up with the tying run on third and the winning run on second.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta send him

All else fails, be aggressive, the pressure is on the fielder at that point.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't get to see the game last night

but I did see the highlights. I agree. He should not have thrown up the stop sign. It would have taken a terrific play to get Winn at the plate, you’re on the road, it’s the ninth inning, Holliday is terrible w/ RISP,…. (oops, sorry for that last one)

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Infante

It’s hard to get real psyched up about Pujols and the triple crown because you know even if he ends up leading Votto in AVG, Infante is very very close to being on pace to qualify. Last I checked he was batting .350. I can see the controversy now

by adam2588 on Aug 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Jay isn’t even close to being able to qualify…you need 3.1 PA for every team game played, so you need to finish with 502 PA’s…Jon Jay only has 183

by adam2588 on Aug 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh. This is some key thing I had missed out on the past
3.1 PA for every team game played

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Aug 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

otherwise you could play one game with 4 ABs and qualify

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLUS

MLB has this terrible rule where if you are 15-20 PA’s short of qualifying for the batting title, they just give you those extra PA’s so you can qualify. This is how Tony Gwynn won the batting title in 95

by adam2588 on Aug 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

so,

i guess close doesn’t only count in asshole and hand grenades

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

It's a simulated 0-fer

0 for 15, 0 for 20, etc.

If your average is still higher after that, you win.

by TBender on Aug 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, i see

i think i can dig that. i thought you were saying they just plug you current average in there if you were close enough

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely dig it

If the cutoff is 500 AB, the leader who qualifies has 175 hits in 500 AB (.350) and another guy has 180 hits in 480 AB (.375), then the other guy should definitely win it

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't thinking about the actual cutoff

Hence “If the cutoff is 500 AB”

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, qualification is based on PA's, not AB's.

But, they did not add an asterisk to Bobby Avila’s 1954 batting title. Ted Williams hit for an average four points higher, but did not qualify because he walked 130-some times and only had 380-some AB’s.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a truly singular season.

Bonds had a .582 OBP. Think about that. Let it sink in. His wOBA was .546. Think about that. Let it sink in.

Of course, I guess it wasn’t so singular. His 2001 and 2004 seasons were, dare I say it?, unnatural, too.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He failed at his job less than half the time

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It won't sink in!!!

it’s just too hard to wrap my head around it.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Aug 25, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly the most amazing thing about Bonds

is that he had 3 10 win seasons, two nine win seasons, and three eight win seasons… all before 2001.
He was probably one of the best players of all time before Albert’s career even started. I sometimes forget how amazing he was before the truly super-human phase.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what is so sad.

Barry Bonds is a first-ballot, unanimous Hall-of-Famer before he PED’d it up. He was one of the greatest players ever. He certainly still is, but his skill level and career have been sullied by the PED’s that he likely took. It’s sad, in a way, that such a transcendent natural talent seems very likely to have reached for something to make him a transcendent unnatural talent.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Dunno....

…he wouldn’t have so many walks without his steroids! Shrank his jewels AND his strike zone!

;=8)

I Hate Jason Marquis!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 25, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well obviously not as many...

…but his walk rates were still really high before what is generally assumed to be his PED phase of Supermanitude.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

pre-steroids he was literally amazing, though

like, better than anyone currently playing.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 26, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

correct

A lot still has to go Infante’s way, but the way this season has gone for Cards fans, you have to assume Infante will qualify and ruin Pujols’ chances

by adam2588 on Aug 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is "asshole" the new "horseshoes"?

"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10

by vico on Aug 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's right

horseshoes and hand grenades. i thought it was assholes and hand grenades. i think there’s one about assholes

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe i'm thinking of

“opinions are like…”

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not what i thought it was when i searched,

but it’s still funny, so am posting

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Infante is batting .353

But with a .391 BABIP and a career batting average of .275. ZIPS projects him to bat .310 going forward.

He currently has 342 at bats and he needs another 160 to qualify, so if he bats .310, he’ll end up with a seasonal average of .339 which will likely beat Pujols. But if he only gets another, say, 140 at bats throughout the rest of the season a .310 batting average + 20 hitless at bats will give him a .327 batting average, which Pujols should be able to top.

I’d say Infante’s a threat, but there are a lot of things that could happen.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starlin Castro?

388 PA…only 6 PA away from qualifying right now. He should qualify by the weekend.

by TBender on Aug 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

omar infante

all star extraordinaire

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

His current BA is .315 and his BABIP is .360.

I say he finishes the year in the .310’s. Albert can top that

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Article about this

found here, by USA Today

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Aug 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs 502 PA's and has 342 as of today.

Atlanta is 73-53 and has 36 games remaining. Assuming 3 PA’s per remaining team game (to account for days off), Infante will get 108 more PA’s this season, bringing his season total to about 450 PA’s. The league would then calculate his batting title batting average by adding 0-for-50 to his batting average.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cubs announcers

talk about Starlin Castro being pretty close to qualitfying for the batting title.

Oh, as I look at it now, he’s down to .315

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

sucks that he's a cub

i would love to cheer for a 20-year-old kid racing for the batting title

i fear the kind of things he will do to the cards in 4 years or so

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep thinking about Dunston...

…and then thinking that in 4 years the Cubs will be saying that Castro only needs a couple more years to develop.

by TBender on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Infante's average is going to be regression to the finish line

His .391 BABIP can’t hold up getting 4-5 AB per game. He’s still at the point where its +/- 2-3 points per plate appearance. If he hits .300 over his next 100 ABs his average will dip to .321. I would assume that pretty close to where the BA crown will end up.

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

albert in august

.436/.494/.859

1.353

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

and that's with only a .385 BABIP

so he’s not getting ridiculously lucky

he’s just ridiculously good

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

que es ridículo!

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

HFS!!!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds and Giants at 2:45 today.

I hope they can keep up the ass whoopin.

by swmofan on Aug 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

moar specific!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

fun!

just got moved in yesterday and classes don’t start until tomorrow, so i have nothing to do today. looks like i’ll be screaming at my computer starting at about 2:45.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

espn.com lol

i think i paid like $30 for 2 years of insider access and i get the magazines with it

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kozma sucks

so we are 3 games back right? or is it 2.5?

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

3.5, i thought

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should be 1.5.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

no....if the cards won last night, it would've been a full game swing,

instead of holding steady at 2.5 back.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we're talking about games that should have been won

then more like 5 games up

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the Reds have their share of "shouldas"

Happens to every team, just not as much as it does to the ’birds

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

shoulda losts?

yeah, they have a lot of those, but they ended up walking off winners

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought wrong

2.5

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish my dinger would swing.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.

Fire John Mozeliak

by mattyfrommo on Aug 25, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, 2.5!

we’re a game better than I thought.

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should be 1.5

/kicks dirt

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

teams with lower run differentials

but better records than the cards

san francisco
cincinnati
philadelphia
texas
minnesota
boston

this team should seriously be better than it’s current record even considering how it’s played so far

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The universe HAS to correct itself

There is no way the Cardinals come up short. I won’t allow it!

by LexTalionis on Aug 25, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Gods of Baseball just heard you

thanks a lot.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the bad timing explanation works the best for this

I think RB did a post on this last week or maybe 2 weeks ago

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't remember that

and i’m not ready to chalk it all up to random variation. the team has a strong tendency to feast or famine, but that’s just silly. the cards are a game back of philly and theire run differential is 40 runs better than philly

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well you better remember it

j/k

I was referring to the post he was talking about us having bad timing, which explains the feast and famine thing.

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

rb, for your thesaurus

watching last night’s game, i was filled with exasperosity

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

i find it sad

how our team struggles with the bases loaded. i can’t tell you how many times i’ve seen the cards have the bases juiced with no outs or 1 out and we don’t score. that’s one of the super frustrating things this team has had this season.

at least the reds lost last night.

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

.860 OPS with bases loaded

versus .734 for the league

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

how much is that from the, what seems like a lot of, grand slams?

(10 + 100) / 2 = 55

(50 + 50) / 2 = 50

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Aug 25, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 of 45

so the cards account for 11% of of grand slams

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

*NL grand slams

if it were perfectly evenly distributed, it would be about 6.7% per team. i’m not real sure what this tells us

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

consistency vs peaks and valleys

(I’m rushing)

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Aug 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i understand what you're getting at

like i said, i’m not ready to write this off as random run distribution, even if that’s the logical explanation

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this really is just a load of crap

The Cardinals are on pace for 96.1 Pythag wins – they are playing great.

If they have simply gotten average luck in terms of run distribution, we’d have the third best record in the NL.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you think it's all run distribution luck?

i’d love to believe that, but it seems like there are two different teams that go out and play the games

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I told you it was

but you didn’t believe

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

as my daddy always said

i got a listenin’ problem

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we still close to.the bottom of the league in SAC flys?

I dont know that bases loaded is our problem but I would be curious at what percentage of the time we score a runner on third with 1 out

by mick311 on Aug 25, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I do

Tm SF
NYM 47
LAD 43
CIN 42
PHI 40
COL 40
SDP 38
WSN 36
SFG 36
LgAvg 34
CHC 33
MIL 32
ARI 30
STL 29
FLA 29
ATL 29
PIT 23
HOU 23
550

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 8/25/2010.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok...nvm...that's total sac flies....just below lgavg.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

just below?

tied for 3rd worst

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 25, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok got it

Rk SF
1 SDP 15
2 CHC 14
3 PHI 13
4 CIN 13
5 MIL 12
6 ARI 11
7 ATL 11
8 NYM 10
9 LAD 10
10 SFG 10
11 COL 8
12 WSN 8
13 FLA 7
14 STL 7
15 HOU 4
16 PIT 3
TOT 156

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 8/25/2010.
bases loaded sac flies, NL.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fairly certain Sac Flies has a very low correlation with how good an offense is

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just providing the requested stat sir.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you are; I know you better than that

This was just an ill-placed reply on my part, I suppose

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trying too hard to get the ball in the air?

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

in 29 PAs with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs

holliday has 2 sac flies. of course, he’s also OPSing 1.059, so….

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell that man to get out of his hammock, stop counting his money, and hit the ball!

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

.........twss??

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I learned last night

linki

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

but is a component of scoring efficiency
which we suck at

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 25, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not ops that matters so much

it obp+sacs
scoring 1 is not failure

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

all defense, eh?
The Cardinals have allowed 45 unearned runs. That is the most of any NL teams in the top five groundball staffs mentioned above. But not that much more than the other teams. Philadelphia, No. 4 on the above rankings of groundball staffs, has allowed 34 unearned runs.

10@10 (out of groundout leaders)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course we have allowed more unearned runs than other teams

We have an extreme groundball staff, best in the majors at 50.1%, and are in the bottom 10 in terms of strikeouts.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

the blog was about groundball staffs.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and unearned runs

are defined in such an arbitrary way that this stat doesn’t mean a whole lot

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

would you guys at least read the thing?

re-inventing the wheel.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Things are posted,

we bitch, gripe, and expand. Normal VEB protocol. We don’t need no reading!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

...expand?

do we call a doctor past four hours?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ER, dude

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

towels no longer help

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

so

high gb rates are good, or bad, or kind of good?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

none of the above

the answer d) democratic

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

good

They aren’t great because they are negatively correlated with strikeouts and positively correlated with unearned runs, but overall, the more groundballs a pitcher gets the better he is (in general).

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

primer

     
Daniel               Andrew

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

They have the same teeth

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the same hat

i think you’re onto something here, JD

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daniel's team photos have this bizarre, toothy half-sneer.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying all Pirates look the same to you?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a haiku.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we please just blow the fuck out of this guy tonight?

right after the giants finish off sweeping the reds? being tied on the loss side would be a welcome development.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't want to blow him

but you go ahead

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone once said something about myself and tact

i don’t remember what it was. i think i was busy making fart jokes

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

my old girlfriend Freida Felcher once told me I never listen, or some crap like that. I really wasn’t paying attention at the time.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, loss column!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you're saying

we need a tie in the loss column?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the standings, eventually.

but being tied in the loss column would mean it’s all in the cardinals control.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ew

Perhaps a better subject line would work in the future….

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe evolved.

I prefer sex to violence. Violent sex is another matter.

"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10

by vico on Aug 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume he means that guy up in the previous thread

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

New pickup line

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's sort of like when you are checking out a girl with a really nice body

and then she turns around and you go, wtf

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

.....

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

wow that's rough

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah we call those girls assinine.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I guess it probably works both ways.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what I was thinking

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, butterface.

That only works for women.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

for guys it's just

look at that buttface

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, BJ.

BJRains If you are the Cardinals, do you at least think for two seconds about placing a claim on Manny Ramirez?
5 minutes ago via web

derp

Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."

Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."

by tehzachatak on Aug 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

how do we afford a pinch hitter that costs that much?

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

only if the Reds needed him that badly

I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards

by madding on Aug 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

starting to think he's not really very bright

lately he’s been saying stuff..
maybe he should just stick to writing sweet stories and reporting about slow dancing in the clubhouse

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah.

i liked him better that way

Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."

Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."

by tehzachatak on Aug 25, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, on raw data he's fine

but his Eeyore act is getting old

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, just... incompetent.

spants has said hapless before
not a drop of sense in his head.

the other writers make fun of him publicly now.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

the phillies pulled a cardinals!

oswalt apparently played LF last night in the 16 inning astros win over philly. the article says that bill wilson was the last P to play a position (1971). apparently lohse has been forgotten.

(apologies if nexdef’d)

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

that would have to just be for the phillies

and even like that it doesn’t sound right

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget the Whiteball hijinks

I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards

by madding on Aug 25, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

er, Whiteyball

I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards

by madding on Aug 25, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah pitchers played the outfield a ton before Jackie Robinson

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oswalt also made the last out of the game.

"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10

by vico on Aug 25, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was nexdef'd in the main post by RB, zoomzoom!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. I was just teasing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Piniella

Put Sean Marshall in LF against us last season for one out.

by NoWayMan! on Aug 25, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

no has posted the lineup yet?

it’s an interesting one

schu
winn
albert
matty
jay
lopez
anderson
westbrook

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

whooops

feliz after lopez

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez at SS?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winn in RF?

Jay in CF?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got to give Craig a rest.

"He was fun to be behind." -- Boog on Jaime, 8/22/10

by vico on Aug 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

that calf must be really strained

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I posted this yesterday,

but it seems to me that Ludwick suffering a setback when he tried to return too soon from a calf injury has caused the club to be more patient and cautious with Rasmus.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

that could be… they want him to be able to play as much as possible down the stretch too… but I wouldn’t be too overly cautious considering the games now are just as important

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Miles!

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fuck

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez again!

The guy needs a night off! Why in the world did we go and get Feliz for if Lopez is still starting every game?
I turned the game on last night just in time to see his AB in the ninth. I know Colby’s not been right lately either, but I couldn’t figure out why Colby didn’t PH there. I like Lopez OK, but he’s been in a slump lately and, imho, needs a night or two off to refresh.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 25, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's this?

An off day for Yadi? No. Way.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

lineup - with positions

Schumaker 2B, Winn RF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Jay CF, Lopez SS, Feliz 3B, Anderson C, Westbrook P

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 25, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm really glad Anderson's playing.

not so pleased about Winn, but at least Miles isn’t playing

Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."

Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."

by tehzachatak on Aug 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waitaminute

We acquired Feliz because Lopez was so bad defensively at third that Feliz’s defense made up for his offense? And then we put Lopez at short?

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the alternative is Aaron Miles...

Tony seems convinced that Boog needs days off sometimes.

Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."

Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."

by tehzachatak on Aug 25, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm with you Zach.

I’d rather have Lopez there than Miles. Now if we could only call Greene up…..

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah.

i’m afraid he permanently burned his bridges with his little stunt though.

Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."

Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."

by tehzachatak on Aug 25, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, let's have a worse team because Tyler Greene tried to play through injury and then went through his agent to go on the DL instead of being optioned to Memphis.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or we could let some kid

pull a d*** move, and then reward him with a spot on the ML roster.

I’m guessing if you privately polled the leaders of the team, they don’t want Greene up right now either.

by Stanley1 on Aug 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

Because Albert, Matt, Carp and Waino would clearly rather have a worse player on the field.

I’m sure TLR was annoyed by TGreene’s shenanigans but I doubt the players care much.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 25, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Do you know how much more money Greene is going to make because of this? Do you know how little minor leaguers actually make?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgive me.

I’m more interested in winning than lesson-teaching and score-settling. What’s more, I don’t even think this is all that bad of a thing to have done. After all, we know how well the Cardinal field manager and training staff is at treating injuries and fostering an environment where players are truthful about how badly they are injured.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

THAT WILL TEACH THAT ROOK! LET'S MAKE OUR TEAM WORSE IN A PLAYOFF RUN!

YES! WE WILL PLAY WORSE BASEBALL JUST TO SHOW THAT TYLER HIS PLACE!

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't this Boog's second day off in three games?

It makes me wonder if there is a health problem.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR likes to play multiple players hitting below .250.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair...

on this team, that describes most of the hitters. So it’s not like he has a lot of choice.

by DiscoJer on Aug 25, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

if "three non-pitchers" = "most," then yes.

link

sometimes, i’m not sure what cardinals fans want. a team that scores 7 runs every game? a team that never has winning or losing streaks? a team where nobody has flaws?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Answers

1. Yes.
2. Winning streaks only, actually.
3. Yes.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 25, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because you touch yourself at night?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

Unexpected response is awesome

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is this unexpected?

read her screenname.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

So's your face

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh copycat

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. It's a fantastic insult that I forgot for awhile until you used it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

it really is awesome and works in basically every scenario.

i love scrubs.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know literally too much about that show

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

really? like what

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They used to have a phone on set that people could call and talk to the actors

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

really? like anyone could call?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

916-CALL-TUR

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

After awhile, they just had a voice message from Janitor that you’d listen to

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've just watched too much of it

If you give me some plot point, I can tell you what episode

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

JD, the only difference between black women and white women

is that when a black woman asks you if her butt looks big, you say “hell yeah!”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This must be when he's wanting to date Kylie?

My Hypocritical Oath?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You even know the episode name?

Impressive… most impressive.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you guess what my favorite ever scene from Scrubs is?

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i saw a manatee!

was it julian?
we didn’t exchange pleasantries.
that was julian.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

here

other favorite scene

Favorite episode: The one where JD imagines the hospital as a sitcom

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No mention of

this?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but that one doesn't have her saying my name

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a similar vein

I always thought this scene was hilarious for some reason.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The scene where JD realizes that the Janitor

is actually an actor because he sees him in The Fugitive?
Oh wait, that’s one of my favorites. Nevermind.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have no idea the episode

one of my favorite quotes “Dr. Cox, does this lipstick make me look like a clown?” “No, Barbie, it makes you look like a prostitute who caters exclusively to clowns.”

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is when she's trying to make the relation with Shawn work

My Journey?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

how has no one rec'd this but me?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

the lineup makes sense from a tony standpoint

craig (if you consider him a starter right now), ryan, and molina are simply getting days off. the guys who are replacing them simply aren’t very good, which makes the lineup look like shit. you could make the argument that tony shouldn’t give all three of them days off at the same time, but a game against the pirates seems like a good time to do it.

i’m not defending tony, i’m just saying it isn’t OMG AWFUL for this team.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it possible Tony is thinking Lopexs offensive upgrade over Boog

Helps offset the offense lost by starting Winn and Anderson? Thats my guess, because Boog doesnt need a day off he just had one. And honestly, with the way Lopez has been hitting and Westbrook on the mound it doesnt maks much sense to sit Boog….i would think if it was about guys needing off Lopez would be the one sitting, he looks like he needs rest more than anyone.

by mick311 on Aug 25, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And I dont mind seeing Winn get a start from time to time

If Rasmus is out. He came up big in that last start of his with the homerun off Lincecum. Hes OK as long as hes batting lefty. I mean hes not great but I dont see why everyone hates him so much, hes been a decent backup OFer.

by mick311 on Aug 25, 2010 4:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

How is Anderson that big a dropoff from Molina?

His bad is major league competent. It’s his catching that’s suspect.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it is

he does this all the time
instead of having mr anderson sub for yadi and keep the rest f the best lineup out there
he has to make multiple injurious substitutions at the same time
hence the typical throwaway line up
i never did/do understand the logic in these wholesale changes
wonder what our record is these games?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 25, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this isn't a throwaway game

Usually, this type line-up is on get-a-way day after we’ve taken the first two games. It’s crunch time now, we can’t afford to throw away games.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 25, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

those marguritaville things always make me think of South Park

oh, and I love that you post your music choices for the day

by jealousblues on Aug 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Could you please just put the receipt on this tab'l.

Ooooh, I’d love to give you a refund, but I’m afraid it’s not doab’l.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Aug 25, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Google

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah beaten to the punch

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most things I do at work

are UNIX base and are all caps……Pretty much everything I post on here has to be re-typed, bECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS BEFORE i PROOF READ IT, mR. sMARTY.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're using unix and you're mostly all caps

man there are a LOT of unix people who’d like to kill you.

maybe you’re using some ancient mainframe OS or something. Heheh.

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ADP...unix based.

It’s a pretty common DBS for auto dealerships.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try googling it

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

bumgartner.. come on

you can’t just give up home runs to the Votto-crat!

Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."

Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."

by tehzachatak on Aug 25, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope this nickname sticks.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

every game the reds win

means that the cards are pretty much in must-win mode just to keep up with cincy. aggravates me so.

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 25, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Great observation, captain obvious!

sorry, couldn’t help it.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 25, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Triple Crown/MVP, Cy Young, ROY all on same team?

So Albert’s chasing the Triple Crown (and MVP obviously), Wainwright’s gotta be the favorite for the Cy Young at this point, and it’s conceivable that the Rookie of the Year voters will overcome the Jason Heyward media love-fest and Jaime will win the award, and deservedly so. Has any team ever won all three awards in the same year?

As best I can tell (let me know if I’m wrong), the closest anyone came was the 1954 Yankees — Yogi Berra was the MVP, and rookie pitcher Bob Grim won the ROY award, going 20-6. The Cy Young Award didn’t exist until 1956, but presumably Grim would’ve had a good chance that year.

Our 2010 Cardinals could pull off this trifecta (and add a Triple Crown to boot), which would be truly amazing — but also depressing as hell, if that same team doesn’t make the friggin’ postseason. (That 1954 Yankees team was a disappointment in that sense, too — went 103-51 but finished 2nd to the Cleveland Indians in the AL.)

by DCRedbird on Aug 25, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

There have been so few Triple Crown winners,

I wouldn’t think that any of their teams also had the Cy Young and ROY, too.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

103-51 and DIDN'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS

that’s like saying the 2004 cardinals don’t make the playoffs. for the love of god.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's pathetic.

but then again the 2001 116-46 mariners lost to the 95-win yankees in the alcs.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy 1954

Not only that, but Cleveland, which went 111-43, got SWEPT by the Giants in the WS. (Vic Wertz/Willie Mays/“The Catch”, etc.)

by DCRedbird on Aug 25, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This just shows that the baseball playoffs are less about overall talent than the regular season and more about luck.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you can't reasonably expect a better season than 103-51.

I mean holy crap.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the NL:

Rogers Hornsby in 1922 did not, but there was apparently no MVP that year
Also Chuck Klein in 1933, when Carl Hubbell won

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the AL:

Lou Gehrig did not in 1934, when he lost to Mickey Cochrane
Ted Williams did not in 1942, when he lost to Joe Gordon
Ted Williams did not in 1947, when he lost to Joe Dimaggio

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...Ted got fucked...twice.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also lost it in 41

which was arguably his best season.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 25, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is unbelievable.

i figured maybe it happened once, but it seems like triple crown winners never win the MVP

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

true fact. secretariat has never ONCE won the MVP.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He was juicing anyway

And besides, everyone knows Secretariat was a jerk. You think Tiger Woods is messed up? Secretariat was like that, only he also got a whole slew of fillies pregnant while he was at it. Who knows if he even paid child support.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a dick

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what the fillies said, too...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The BBWAA has always been very wise.

Even back then they knew that RBI is a stat not all that indicative of a player’s skill.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least while they're playing anyway

They wise up once a player is retired.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Aug 25, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know people here don't like this

but right now Wainwright is not the favorite for the Cy Young. Look at the stats Halladay is putting up against him:

Halladay – 8.10 K/9, 1.13 BB/9, 7.69 IP/Start
Wainwright – 8.09 K/9, 2.22 BB/9, 7.05 IP/Start

Halladay even has him beat/or is close in the old school stats – Wins, ERA, Whip. And his 8-5 lead in CG looks mighty great too.

Yep, every Hall of Famer did something unique. Mike Schmidt played with his hat sideways. Roberto Clemente chewed other people's fingernails. Tris Speaker was Japanese. Lou Boudreau rode a dolphin into the batter's box. Nap Lajoie would only use John Wilkes Booth's dismembered leg as a bat. And he corked it. Johnny Mize was from the future. - FJM

by Choix003 on Aug 25, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Triple Crown spoiler update

Omar Infante, All-Star = 1-3 (.349)

So far…in the 3rd, Atlanta leads 10-1.

by TBender on Aug 25, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Wonder how many theoretical 0-fers they can tack onto his line before albert surpasses him.

I’ll do the math later, I guess. heading out for now.

Since I won’t be home until the cards game is mostly over….hopefully we win.

by Voxx on Aug 25, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

1-for-3 lowers his BA.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

z

here’s my playlist:

Robby Moncrief and Zach Hill – Today
Primus – Tommy The Cat (featuring Tom Waits)
John Coltrane – Serenity
Sleep – Dragonaut
Nels Cline – Sunken Song
Living Colour – Time’s Up

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright guys... Thinking of going to the San Diego Sat/Sun games...

…any pointers on seats? I generally shoot for right-field seats, but I kinda want to switch it up.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Aug 25, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

5 rows behind home plate tends to be pretty good

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

third base side.....

stay out of the sun…..also, what mysterui said.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah the green ones

Because who doesn’t have a couple hundred bucks sitting around, right?

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, something about limited discretionary income.... haha

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by vexedtechie on Aug 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, solid replyfail.

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by vexedtechie on Aug 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

updated webroot for free with renuwal

now it blocks MLBTR “spam sight”

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

PICS INCOMING

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hmmm

but Vader doesn’t even need a hand, he could just use the dark side of the force. Unless that pinching thing only works on necks….aaaaand I’m off on a weird tangent now

by mattyp on Aug 25, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might not even have a penis

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed

Out loud even.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't get this at all.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is right after Darth Vader chopped off Luke's hand

He is inferring that Luke’s hand is Luke’s girlfriend

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

How has one never seen Star Wars?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am almost certain we have had this conversation before.

but in any event, i have no answer. i did not actively avoid star wars, it just never happened for me.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Aug 25, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

so Darth Vader... you do know that... uh....

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh spoiler alert

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

this might be the best thing ever on the internet

I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.

Fire John Mozeliak

by mattyfrommo on Aug 25, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

my computer disagrees.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do they not show?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just on my end, I'm sure.....

this firewall’s a bitch.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

werkz 4 me

Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?

by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

UPDATED YOGURTLAND NEWS BREAKING BREAKING BREAKING

If you’re in the Springfield area, my fiancee has let me know that they now have a Yogurtland clone, called Orange Leaf. I think it’s somewhere on Fremont

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

WHY DO YOU ALL HURT ME SO

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the OPS of the Seattle infield these days?

.710?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 25, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

when they're all added together? or averaged out?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that a joke?

That’s nearly league average? You must mean their DH position.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, the figure is much lower than .710

Their DH position isn’t that bad right now. Branyan’s a good hitter

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know. I need the Mariners to stop sucking so that the current regime stays in place

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reasonable shot, yeah

Tom McNamara (Director of Scouting) gave me his card my last day there, told me to keep in touch, said he’d be in LA in November and maybe we could meet up

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is yogurtland?

"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright

by spfldbird on Aug 25, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frozen Yogurt

Link

Check out Orange Leaf. It’s delicious

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just noticed that there's some form of currency with the abbreviation VEB

not sure what it is though

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Venezuelan bolivar?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this is right

Also, I move that whenever VEBers meet up in real life, we refer to the site as “The veeb”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should we call each other "veebs" then?

You know, like “dweebs”?
No?
OK….

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks!

was wondering what that was. the accounting world can be a learning experience

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 25, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

dear brian sabean -

baseball players who hit well still have to play defense. jose guillen and pat burrell are basically defensive suckfests.

if i were you, i would not eat anything that had been prepared in an area accessible to your starting pitchers without having someone else taste it.

thanks,
tom s.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Dear tom s.

Your sig is like a novel. But it’s okay, because the quote is awesome.

Now zoomzoom…

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

i changed mine to something simple. it doesn’t have all the crap it used to. plus, i still can’t stand tony’s stupid antics. after all, he is a soooper genius.

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 25, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kidding, kidding. Was referencing your previous sig

School going well?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Aug 25, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I DON'T CARE FOR YOUR TONE.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 25, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear Tom S.

“I think this approach got that Beane guy to the playoffs several times. What else am I gonna do?”

by sdrone on Aug 25, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

all i'm saying is don't drink any beers lincecum hands you.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boog on tv!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Brendan is ready to come in for the save.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cat is going for an impression and he's not even there.

he wants some Ethel Merman.

wtf, Cat.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

however, Boog does seem to know who she is.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

now Matty talking to Shannon

he looks a little uncomfortable.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

zing

JohnMarecek Is Carp there? #stlcards RT @m_sheldon: Phillips out, Valaika at 2B in bot. 6. Phillips took 95 mph FB off wrist in 5th inn. #reds up 10-3 44 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

somebody on RR don't like us
AND FOR VEB, FUCK YOU GUYS TOO

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 25, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently they've never met the GOBs
this is just unfair

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

juan encarnacion would like to have a discussion about what is fair and unfair in baseball.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute

Are reds’ fans……..whining? I thought only we did that

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 25, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody on the club would ever whine about mistreatment.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HFS are u serious?

Just checked the Reds score….haha thays awesome

by mick311 on Aug 25, 2010 6:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

the giants have scored 11 while hitting only THREE extra-base hits - a HR and two doubles.

bizarre.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh oh

Error on pandaman

by mick311 on Aug 25, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Stupid ass Tulsa station doesn't have the game again....

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 25, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

y?uwo?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 25, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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