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how to be dumb.


as i write this, i am watching a baseball game in which one team has started pedro feliz at third base and has just brought aaron miles in to pinch hit (he popped out on the infield, shocking those in attendance). the manager for the aforementioned team appears to have ongoing higher brain function and at least a passing familiarity with baseball. now, both feliz and miles are playing on the infield AT THE SAME TIME.

what on earth do you think albert is thinking as he looks around the infield and sees pedro feliz at third, felipe lopez at short, and aaron miles at second? "i have arrived in the eighth circle of hell" [except in spanish]?

i guarantee that it is not: "i should sign a below-market value contract for the next eight or so years so that i can ensure that this continues to happen to me." [except in spanish]

we will likely never know what induced john mozeliak to trade for pedro feliz, nor what induced tony to start him last night, batting FIFTH. so for both of you, john, tony: how to be dumb. on that note, i cannot bear to write further about the unspeakable event that occurred of late this week. so let's talk about what's coming up.

we had a great draft this year, with major signings on monday. the 2010 draft and a year of upheaval at the prospect level has left the mix of up-and-coming prospects in a state of flux. so i am going to write down some names of important prospects and hey there are numbers in front of those names.

i would not take the numbers terribly seriously for most of the cases. weighing a prospect's value may include lots of things. talent "ceiling," talent "floor," positional scarcity, proximity to the majors, etc. the way those factors are weighed and the way they are measured are both highly subjective. that said, these things tend to amuse or give rise to good discussion.

1. shelby miller - despite all the caveats above, i don't think this one is up for serious debate. shelby has done nothing but exactly what he's supposed to, and has had ridiculous success at quad cities to the tune of an 11.44 K/9 rate and a 2.81 BB/9 rate. unless you are jeff gordon, in which case his 7-5 record is a huge disappointment; that is, if you cared about prospects). a note: the careful pace that the club has taken with shelby, both in keeping him at quad cities and extreme care with pitch counts and inning loads, strongly suggest he is NOT a future trade chip. if he were a wallace-like trade chip, they'd be pushing him to high levels and trying to pump his value up that way. this is the careful pace of a car owner who wants his car to last 200,000 miles. be patient - we may not see him till 2013 or 2014. fun with MLEs: shelby miller's current MLE FIP: 5.51; jeff suppan's actual FIP: 5.23.

Star-divide

2. zack cox - by contrast, the three million dollar man is a close-to-finished product. picking up some time in the GCL and the Arizona Winter League, we will see him at spring training next year. i doubt we'll see him in the majors before 2012, but he may move very quickly. the focus in the minors will likely be on his defense, both in selecting a future destination for him between 3b and 2b, and in improving his defensive skills, which have long played a second fiddle to his offensive skills. he may be the best bat in the draft, but it would be great if he developed into a good defender on the infield.

3. matt carpenter - an aggressive slot for someone who was not on most top twenty lists last year, carpenter 2: the carpening has moved very quickly through the minors and has hit at every level (currently hitting for an OPS of  .954 at Springfield). an excellent fielder, his defense could translate immediately to third; it's probably a good idea to give him and his bat the rest of the year to develop. like cox, we'll see him at spring training. his destination will be determined by how he does at ST, whether we make any off-season acquisitions, and whether david freese can keep his ankle healthy (i am not betting on that last one). in jupiter, chris will give him some tutorials in how to bring honor to the family name (death stare, using the word fuck 300 times daily, nifty tats, etc.). he may very well go north with the big club from spring training.

4. daniel descalso - descalso followed a good year with a decidedly okay year. currently sporting a .795 OPS in memphis, his numbers this year do not make him look like a future star (MLE .668). with average defense at an important position, he could be a role player in the future in an infield utility spot or a platoon (although he does not have an extreme split).

5. eduardo sanchez - after dominating at springfield (9.00 K/9 and 2.67 BB/9), the still-only-21-year-old has not yet adapted to memphis after 21 innings in AAA (8.53 K/9 and 4.74 BB/9). i feel sure that he will see his BB rate drop again once he gets some comfort level there. sanchez seems to be on track to join the big club sometime mid- to late next year. a stellar spring training could push that schedule up.

6. lance lynn - lance did not put together the year that many hoped for, though his peripherals were much better than his ERA might suggest: 7.06 K/9, 3.25 BB/9. i am more concerned that his GB rate took a big step back to 43% from 48% cumulatively last year. lynn has never been seen as a high-ceiling guy, but a club putting kyle lohse and jeff suppan out there on a regular basis just needs a guy who can do okay. see shelby's MLE up there? lance's MLE FIP this year was 5.46. last year it was 4.44. lance is better than this year's performance, but he will likely have to start next year at memphis again and wait for an opening in the big club. my suspicion is that he will bounce back just fine.

7. joe kelly - nobody quite knows whether kelly will stick as a starter or move to the bullpen, but he's done well with his assignments so far, amassing a 3.50 FIP to go with a 56.9% GB rate at quad cities. no one could have hoped for better. for a club without a good history of developing top-flight starters in house, kelly remains an interesting option.

8. carlos matias - if reading the value of low minors prospects is guesswork, reading international signings and DSL players is like divination. matias comes with some great raw talent, and nobody really knows where it will lead him. the good news is that the logistical barriers to his arrival in the US and with the organization seem to be limited to getting a visa at this point. he could be in the top 3 next year or out of the top twenty (see de la Cruz, Luis). as said before, a club so parched for good internal starting pitching prospects has to value even such a raw talent highly. the valuation of his talent shows the arbitrary nature of this exercise: contrast matias with descalso. descalso could join the club tomorrow and be serviceable but probably never a star; matias may never make it to palm beach, but he could be an all-star pitcher someday, too. how do you weight that or value that; how do you compare such different players? i have no idea.

9. adam reifer - older than sanchez at 24, reifer is the next best of the close-to-the-majors relief prospects. he's dominated springfield this year and shown much improved control. it will be interesting to watch him in memphis next year.

10. tommy pham - put together a very nice season (.966 OPS in AA) after years of promise. of all the outfield prospects, may have the best chance of being a more than bench player. as a RH hitter, would look nice in a platoon with our many left-handed hitters. hopefully, the recent injury does not cause any kind of setback.

11. tyler henley - sidelined by TJ surgery this year, i have no reason to think he won't return to form in 2011. good all-around talent; many think he's just a 4th OF, though.

12. tyrell jenkins - again with the hard to project talent. an "athletic" RHP with a lot of oomph in his arm. has a lot of big fans in the scouting community and was ranked 23rd overall for the draft by keith law.

13. adron chambers - speedy, good defender. solid hitter but no much power. seems like a good fit on the bench along with henley. can play all three spots. currently tearing up AAA based on a ridiculously lucky BABIP.

14. robert stock - stock had a frustrating year for a fellow who wants to stick at catcher. he's currently got an OPS of .578 at quad cities. he's still a young man; stock turns 21 in november. i'm sure the club will talk with him this winter about which end of the battery he'll be starting at next spring. if i had to guess, they'll give him much of next season to indulge his interest in catching, but by 2012 he'll need to have shown some promise behind the plate or he'll be pitching his 99 MPH fastballs from the mound.

15. david kopp - reads like a bit of a lance lynn projection; back end starter-type. could wash out or could make it. decent ground ball numbers, doesn't strike out many. with a little improvement, could be effective.

16. pete kozma - a frustrating talent who shows flashes of power and defensive wizardry (+19/150 at quad cities in 2008; +10/150 at springfield in 2009), only to drag into protracted slumps and error-prone play. still only 22, he has lots of room to develop.

17. aaron luna - started out at 2b, has been playing a lot of RF in the past couple seasons. nice power in his bat.

18. adam ottavino - lost in ottavino's subpar performance at the major league level were some very nice steps forward at AAA. he finished last season with great improvement that he carried over to this season. long difficulties with control gave way to a 2.22 BB/9 rate. then, his shoulder blew up on him. if ottavino can come back from injury, he still has great potential. it's sad that, in the middle of real improvement, he was struck down by shoulder problems.

19. tony cruz - last week you read my thoughts on cruz. i look forward to seeing what he does next year.

20. steve hill - hill's bat is great, but he does not have a position on a club with no DH, and with both LF and 1b filled. he is not a catcher going forward.

21. ryan jackson - i really like the glove. jackson has hit better than i thought he might, putting together a .705 OPS at quad cities. still, there's a long way from hitting only passably at quad cities to hitting in the majors.

22. francisco samuel - i'm about done waiting for his control to come around. instead, it seems to get worse season by season. his cumulative walk rate is 7.79 over three levels this year. while other guys - chris perez comes to mind - have worked through such control problems, samuel has not shown any real progress. he'll be 24 this winter. i think he's got one more season to get his walk rate below five, or the club is just going to move on.

23. daryl jones - huge setback year for djtools, OPSing .690 in a ridiculous hitters' park. he is quickly being swamped by a fresh group of outfield prospects. needs to show improvement quickly.

non-prospects - i am assuming that many formerly ranked prospects will no longer qualify as prospects. at any rate, i'm no longer thinking of them as such: anderson, salas, greene, freese, garcia, etc.

near misses/names to know:  jordan swagerty (makes me think of jess todd); seth blair; xavier scruggs; daniel bibona; jason stidham; niko vasquez; arquimedes nieto, virgil hill.

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great article…thankfully we now have some prospects to look forward to!

by adam2588 on Aug 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

About the trade, and playing Feliz.....

Doesn’t it almost seem like TOO bad of a move for us not to know everything? Maybe there really wasn’t a better option? Maybe the price was too high for every other player that might have been better? I don’t know…..but if a move seems THAT bad, I’m inclined to believe we don’t know the entire story. You don’t get to run a ML team like the Cardinals if you have no clue what you are doing. And even though Mo is the GM, I’m guessing Dewitt still has a chance to veto any deal that is on the table.

It sucks. The way this team is playing sucks. The fact that we’ve had so many key guys miss time sucks. It all sucks. I’m not saying it doesn’t. But sometimes that crap happens. Just like sometimes, ie last year, the better team loses in the playoffs.

I like the foundation we have, and while Albert is getting ready to have a BIG decision to make, and he isn’t getting any younger, I like the core group of guys that we have. You can’t have it both ways…..you can’t go obtain quality 3B midseason when Freese gets hurt, Greene goes to the dog house, and Lopez can’t field, AND rebuild a farm system.

by Stanley1 on Aug 21, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Appeal to authority is a fallacy of defective induction, where it is argued that a statement is correct because the statement is made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative. The most general structure of this argument is:

   1. Source A says that p is true.
   2. Source A is authoritative.
   3. Therefore, p is true.

This is a fallacy because the truth or falsity of the claim is not necessarily related to the personal qualities of the claimant, and because the premises can be true, and the conclusion false (an authoritative claim can turn out to be false). It is also known as argumentum ad verecundiam (Latin: argument to respect) or ipse dixit (Latin: he himself said it). 1

On the other hand, arguments from authority are an important part of informal logic. Since we cannot have expert knowledge of many subjects, we often rely on the judgments of those who do. There is no fallacy involved in simply arguing that the assertion made by an authority is true. The fallacy only arises when it is claimed or implied that the authority is infallible in principle and can hence be exempted from criticism.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

the latin will

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right you are!

I was kidding though. As much as i respect what it says, it’s not my idea of body art.

by LexTalionis on Aug 21, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me thinks you are missing the point of my post.....

I NEVER said Mo is 100% right b/c he is the boss. I simply said there is a CHANCE that there is more to it then we see, and the decisions he has made in recent weeks are/were for the best. Are you telling me that can’t be true? You telling me there is no way that Mo knows more than we do? If he is doing his job so poorly, why does TLR keep coming back, and why doesn’t Dewitt fire him?

by Stanley1 on Aug 21, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad but true

mo probably did what he could within the confines of what tlr and dewitt want/allow

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 21, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

you said something to the effect of (can't copy text on my phone)

- this seems like such a bad deal I’m inclined to think there’s something we don’t know. You don’t get to be a GM for an ML team by being an idiot.

You used mo’s position to justify an apparently dumb trade – or at least to suggest that it might not be dumb.

I don’t see what other info there might be. Pedro feliz is not good at baseball. He is not better than our internal options. Your claim that maybe nobody was available at our price is silly, because we would have been better just using people in our system already. I can’t think what I could find out that would make me rethink this trade.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

What internal options?

Craig? They don’t want to play him there. Right or wrong, the organization made that decision years ago, and they should stick to it. Besides, my guess is Craig and Feliz would put up similiar offensive numbers from here on out, and Feliz is obviously the better defender. Same thing with Gotay. I don’t know WHY he hasn’t gotten a chance, but STL isn’t the only club to not give him ML roster time when his AAA numbers were decent. So isn’t it fair to say something might not project well? I guess we could give him a shot, but why? The only other option is Greene, and I’d imagine he is in the dog house. Maybe management doesn’t trust him to come back ready from the injury. I don’t know. To me, he is probably the only internal option that makes sense.

Feliz might be a low reward guy, but he is also a low risk guy. He probably isn’t going to do any worse offensively then Lopez/Miles, and will certainly be better on defense. Maybe he hits better. Maybe it’ll be lucky. Who cares? Sometimes you have to take a chance, and hope to catch lightening in a bottle.

by Stanley1 on Aug 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about:

Lopez
Greene
Craig
Gotay
Carpenter
Schoendienst

I’d take any of them over Feliz.

p.s., “Not worse than Miles” is still very poor.
p.p.s. “Not worse than Lopez” and “similar offensive numbers to Craig” are not likely outcomes.

by apack on Aug 21, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steve Phillips

Disagrees that you can’t become a GM by being an idiot. Hell he wrote the book.

I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...

by RDCardsfan on Aug 23, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

he just said he thought....

“we don’t know the entire story” so it’s not an appeal-to-authority fallacy.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course everybody is aware of there being more to the story

but the evidence of this being such a bad….bad………bad pickup (among all other wtf moves this year) is so overwhelming that short from he had a gun to his head….

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 21, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

We exchanged Feliz for Stavinoha on the roster for the cost of David Carpenter.

Color me unimpressed, but unperturbed. This is a lateral move at worst.

Personally, assuming he’s healthy, I would rather have exchanged Tyler Greene for Stavino. But there are many reasons why this team is losing – Freese’s original injury and ill-timed second injury, Penny’s and Lohse’s injuries leading to the use of Hawksworth/Suppan, Yadi’s/Skip’s/Boog’s/Floppy’s under-performance on offense, etc.

If people want to criticize Mo for failing to properly account for these circumstances, fine. I don’t know that there was much he could have done about some of them. In any event, the easiest thing for him to have done is to trade valuable prospects, like Miller. At least he didn’t do that.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about investing in some quality depth?

Around $3M-$4M extra in the spring would have saved us a lot of grief here, both in the infield and in the rotation. This is poor roster construction — penny-wise, pound-foolish. Lopez, Greene, and Gotay looked like reasonable depth. But it turns out that they viewed Gotay as filler, not depth. So there was no back-up plan in place for 3B, and they did not prepare anyone in the minors to fill-in in the event Freese didn’t work out. For the rotation there also really was no depth. Nonetheless, there really is no excuse for keeping — let alone going out and obtaining — Miles, Feliz, Stavinoha, Suppan, and MacDougal.

It is important to realize that Miles, Feliz, and Suppan were widely, and correctly, viewed as major blunders by their previous teams — several of which are completely out of contention now (Chi, Hou, Mil). And these guys are supposed to play important roles in helping us to get to and succeed in the playoffs?! Right.

by apack on Aug 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

subject fail

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 21, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

what.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 21, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

answer

we were clearly looking for a cash neutral deal
we gave them carp3 and we took senor happy off their hands, and they pay his salary
under those constraints, probably best we could do

we should still go after hawpe and/or inge if they turn up and we’re no more than 5 out

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 21, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

hawpe would be a downgrade on what we have in the OF. probably offensively and certainly defensively.

unless he’s just a PH extraordinaire, he doesn’t have a function.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hawpe would be nice off the bench

He kills righties and has his entire career. Plus he’s supposedly Holliday’s buddy.

by LexTalionis on Aug 21, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

hawpe over winn in a heart beat

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cash Neutral

Quite possibly the explanation. And as you said, there probably aren’t many deals out there if Dewitt really doesn’t have any more money he is willing to spend this year.

by Stanley1 on Aug 21, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

great litany; nice info

thanks much for your efforts. But, sadly, it DID make me sad in that it segued into our recent VEB hot topic. I’m basically in the ‘play the kids’ camp to begin with, but it has been even more discouraging lately. The cumulative effect of Winn, Feliz, MacDougal (etc) is weighing on my enthusiasm.
I guess my extreme position is I would rather lose with the kids than try to scrounge out the NL Central title with other teams’ rejects.
I’m ok with Miles in a way; pleased to have Westie (he’ll get better); and very happy with the use of Jay. But I want more T Greene, Salas, and (as much as I like him personally) one of our young catchers instead of ‘nails for breakfast’ LaRue.

by the Tewk on Aug 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

What's the deal with MacDougal?

Is he a veteran player? I thought he was just some evolved bread mold…

Has he recorded an out yet?

"Who is John Gall?"

by iron duke75 on Aug 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen him induce an out

However, I have not seen him pitch without allowing a run

by LexTalionis on Aug 21, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, okay.

Must have happened while I was in the bathroom…

"Who is John Gall?"

by iron duke75 on Aug 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It happened quick!

Most accidents do though

by LexTalionis on Aug 21, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ps

I want Boog at SS every inning. I don’t care if he hits ,150
To see Lopez at SS last night in the late innings, when the game was NOT completely out of hand, disgusted me. And, play Colby even if he is “hurt.” Learn to gut it out, dude.

by the Tewk on Aug 21, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think we should play colby if he is really hurt

that’s what sent ludwick to the DL longer. (that and a treadmill… maybe the cardinals should stop working out.)

But he does seem to get more bumps and bruises than most people. Actually… all of our CFers do. Maybe we should check the grass?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the best cardinals articles I've read in a while

I’d like to see the player’s names highlighted somehow though

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

excellent suggestion. refresh.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steven Hill's chin growth = fits right in.

meanwhile, this is MattCarp:

Here is an informative summary on the view from Springfield about third base. (Pop Warner!)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

CDGAF

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a lot of sexy is what that is

dude is staring right through my soul

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hope everybody read joe poz's article in SI on stan the man.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

bought it. is awesome.

misspelled Mozeliak’s name.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

you'd think if your name was posnanski, you'd be more in tune with that.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

it surprised me, probably for that reason

I reread it three times before it clicked

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

a classic!

I’ve seen weird al three times in person, and it is worth anyone who has ever been a 14 year-old boy’s while.

by DanUpBaby on Aug 21, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

mustache and glasses Al, or no mustache and glasses Al?

cause the new Al’s look freaks me out a little.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

no-mustache al all three times, alas

I wasn’t a 12 year-old boy (and therefore in his target market) until the Running With Scissors tour came through Springfield.

UHF was my first favorite movie.

by DanUpBaby on Aug 21, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i say "new look" but i think he had lasik surgery and trimmed his mustache like 15 years ago.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gawd...

Haven’t seen that one in a while…

"Who is John Gall?"

by iron duke75 on Aug 21, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the defining songs of my childhood

and then you throw the original transformers movie in as visuals, it’s just unbelievably radical

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Weird Al on my 12th birthday for my first concert.

Awesome.

Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?

by Cardinals645 on Aug 21, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not the weirdest thing I've ever seen

But it’s pretty damn weird. Even for Weird Al.

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Aug 21, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ot-ish... we meme him a lot, but really... what's the current word on Amaury Marti Cazana?

And Gotay, for that matter?

I’m sure there’s an easy answer out there; fishing for opinions.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we meme

because there’s never any current word. both would probably be upgrades over players who’ve spent large portions of the season in the majors; neither of them will get the chance to prove it.

by DanUpBaby on Aug 21, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

too old

probably september

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 21, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

both are doing great.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

stable condition?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least we've been seeing less of Stav lately

but i’m sure miles will be seen quite often now

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

stav is safely in memphis

Hopefully we’ll see less of miles now that Feliz is here.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 21, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm reading this comment through my tears

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the way i'm trying to make it better...

Miles and Feliz are basically the same hitter. But he can play defense. I just picture miles instead of Feliz and that makes it better.

Though that’s kinda hard when Tony has them in the same fucking lineup.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 21, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's mostly the sentence.

say it out loud.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was fine with Feliz's debut last night

but it was probably a fluke, and to have a guy with no power batting 5th really makes no sense at all

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

He will henceforth be referred to as...

J.D. Rasmus. Hopefully we can get another Wainwright for him.

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Aug 21, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

raisehighthatdingdangoleroofbeamcarpenters.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

i don't know that i buy into blair or swagerty yet.

i have cox and jenkins in the mix. i don’t know that people should go high in the rankings until they’ve actually played. i want to see how they do first.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luhnow and Mo drafted them.

Clearly this means they’re excellent prospects. If they weren’t excellent prospects, Luhnow and Mo wouldn’t have drafted them. Therefore, there’s no reason to actually observe their performance, since Luhnow and Mo already did that for us.

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Aug 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

pete kozma was a first-rounder and he's in the mid-teens. a high draft don't make you a star.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that said

ASU baseball is considered to be somewhere between the Japanese League and the NL circa 2005

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Aug 21, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

then pedro feliz will fit right in!

What will they give us?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

cleveland didn't want him

or we wouldn’t do it?

i’d do it
koz for west and we keep lud would be a short gain i’d have paid for

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 21, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never want to hear the name pete kozma ever again

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

wish there was an afternoon game today instead of a night game

oh well, maybe they’ll win since the last 5 games I’ve watched have been losses, argh

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

excellent post

many thanks for giving us something to look forward to. I think most here agree we had a very good draft this year and it’s great to see the progress guys like Shelby Miller & Matt Carpenter are making.

It’s probably wishful thinking but I also hope this is the last year that we have to suffer through rosters containing the likes of Aaron Miles, Pedro Feliz, and Mike McDougal in such staggering quantity

Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"

by kalmavet on Aug 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

no love for matt adams?

he’s slashing 313/358/545 this year thus far for QC. sure he has the same fate as all the mark hamiltons before him but he’s still got an intriguing bat.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Aug 21, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

naw. adams is not at a prime position

And at too low a level to know if he’ll be a good hitter. Probably a name to watch.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2010 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is it just me

or do those names seem made up? Like in Sports video games and there is a draft, the computer generates new players by randomly putting together the names of players. I’ve gotten some good ones like “Yadier Pujols”, “Carlos Utley”, and “Hanley Mauer”.

I don’t know, maybe I’m putting too much thought into this. But the Cards had a bad week so I did too.

by RabidBuffalo on Aug 21, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

lineups are in

I don’t have the heart to post.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

seems fine to me

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 21, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am, on the other hand, a heartless bastard.

BJRains Cards lineup: Schumaker 4, Winn 9, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, Jay 8, Molina 2, Feliz 5, Ryan 6, Carpenter 1

Winn over Craig was coming…

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't have a problem with winn over craig against timmeh

he’ll be back out there against zito. i’d probably bat yadi 2nd, feliz 6th and winn 7th, but whatevs

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 21, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take this lineup over Feliz 5th.

Yadi 2nd? That’s an interesting thought.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ideally Yadi doesn't belong in the two spot

but given his hot hitting of late…well I still don’t really like Yadi lack of speed in front of Pujols

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 21, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys gotta read my screenname, one day.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 22, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

it could be hawpe!

and should be

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 21, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when we had...

Ludwick, Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus, and Freese in the middle of the lineup? Those were the days… Back then the Reds were sure to fade and Schumaker was our most questionable regular. Amazing how badly a season can go.

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Aug 21, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

this isn't bad

07 was bad…

I keep telling myself that.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 21, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is worse than 2007, relatively speaking.

on august 21st, 2007, we were 3 games back of the cubs.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

03 was worse

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just recently watched Fargo again

great movie. this time I noticed the music and background stuff more, very underrated dark comedy (or is it a drama)

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't know how it's underrated

everyone I know loves it.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 21, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

not underrated, but maybe underappreciated? I guess it’s always been pretty well favored actually, you’re right

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's another one i've never seen

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey, chitown, et al

thoughts on the eels?

listening electo-shock blues for the first time. not what i was expecting, but pretty good

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 21, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been listening to instrumental stuff today, making a mix on 8-tracks.com

I don’t know the eels really well, tbh. I liked a few songs of their older stuff. I heard one of their newer ones a couple of years ago, thought it was pretty good

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

gawd damn right it's a beautiful day

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh. MLB on Fox is letterboxed now if you watch in std def.

Booooo.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I need to get an antenna for my new hdtv

picked up a 22" for my desk and second monitor. it’s remarkably larger than the 17" SVGA monitor I was using before

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love having a second monitor sooo much.

I have a client who is so enamored with multi-monitor setups, he has 4 monitors on almost all of his employee’s desks. One has 6. They’re a manufacturing firm and they build their own custom stands for them.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy shit

I’ve never heard of that many! I can’t even get 2 at my work

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd run dual monitors on their desks for several years, then one day I came in and he wanted 4.

Basically, he wants a separate monitor for each app they’re in most often, so they don’t have to switch back and forth.

I’ve gotta hand it to the guy, he’s never been afraid to spend on technology.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's hilarious how stupid corporations are about that

employees are significantly more productive on a 23" monitor than on a 17" monitor, and the price difference between the two is about 2 hours of average employee salary. yet the decision-makers won’t typically pay to upgrade.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did work for a company that had a partnership with Adobe once though

that was pretty damn cool, no worries about technology spending at that place. was there for 3 years now every other place I’ve worked at seems really low tech

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i read an article that said workers save 2.5 hrs per day w/ the upgrade

also….i could not live w/o dual monitors

if i had to work with one 17..that would be a very painful workspace

by guillermozeliak on Aug 21, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh. Just haven't laid out the big cabbage for a new TV yet.

Plus, I’m usually watching via a TV tuner card on my PC. Don’t really want to swap that out ether.

Plus I’d have to pay extra for HD on U-Verse. Maybe I’ll upgrade in time for the playoffs. There’s a thought.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buzz Bissinger shows us how "dumb" is done

Never tweet while drunk… link to TheCardinalnation blog. Sad thing is, I agree with him, for the most part.

West coast bird watcher makes an appearance in the comments…

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

there are worse things to do while drunk

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 21, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

damn he was wasted

'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----

by Heisenberg on Aug 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on your personal experience with him, i suppose.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 21, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

you've already determined he's not

so there you go.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 21, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've never actually ran into him.

if you have and have had a bad experience with him or something, i’d like to know.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya what do you know that you aren't sharing w/ the rest of the class?

we’ve always been told Al was the asshole in the booth

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

he’s fucking slammed

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 21, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's how he dealt with the agony

of this last week of Cardinals baseball…

"Who is John Gall?"

by iron duke75 on Aug 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

does sun exposure cause strabismus?

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 21, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

tlr vs the breadman (elementary version)

reds—14 players with >100 at bats (total at bats 4020)
cards—10 players with >100 at bats (total at bats 3301)

average for these guys on each team is only .003 different, weighted by at bats, but the reds only have 1 player <.277; we have 6.
apu, matty and the 6 dwarfs is not working out
strength across the line-up gets you some rallies, and we have too may stumbling blocks (RBI totals are 439 vs 563)
like many, we need more higher av/obp guys, or we need to risk on having guys with more hr potential
which is why i think hawpe for winn is one of the few things we can do

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 21, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, that should be the easy fix

we have a sub-.300 OBP in 3 consecutive lineup positions (7, 8, 9), and a .317 OBP in the leadoff spot. And yet somehow Albert is still leading the league in RBIs.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

too many dwarfs?

other explanation?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 21, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

and at 5 last night

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 21, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody Ross is said to be available

That could be a huge flop too though, he strikes out a bunch.

by LexTalionis on Aug 21, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is some kind of freaky magic

There are so many ways to explain how good Albert is. Somehow, they are all inadequate.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Aug 21, 2010 6:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ridiculous

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 22, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a boy Cardinal hanging out in the Japanese Maple outside my window.

Haven’t seen many Cardinals lately.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

next big signing from japan

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Filed under- Who I'd Rather See Play Third Base For The Cardinals Over Pedro Feliz

An actual cardinal.

(I did it again. Capitalized the name of the bird when not talking about the team.)

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

better footwork

but I don’t know about the glove

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

think of the walk rate

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eddie Gaedel, eat your tiny heart out.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

and no doubt at all

that he’s a true cardinal

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 21, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm convinced.

let’s do the wave.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh. just remembered tonight is a ricky horton game again.

i like rick as a color guy, but man he blows at play by play. drunk or not, i’ll take dan please.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

i've crossed the line from despair to mainic laughing.

i’m having a blast now.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 21, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I mean

this is not a bad team. they just need to start winning some damn games

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

AnKKKiel

Comforting to know that there are some constants in the universe.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

yesterday he had a 2 out bases loaded triple

in the 9th, when they were down by 1. Also threw a guy out trying to stretch a single into a double.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 21, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

DLee is playing for the wrong team at Wrigley.

This is just odd.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

glutton for punishment?

i’m not sure why anyone would support this peter angelos product in any way – other than the fact that the o’s destroyed cliff lee today.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 21, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe but Buck has got those guys playing some ball...

and he knows how to throw luggage around.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Aug 21, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he hates orange. So there's that.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 21, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, they did lose a series to the equally woeful mariners

but i guess the interim replacement for don wakamatsu has those guys playing some ball as well.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 21, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

hate to say it but we will be lucky to get the wild card if this play keeps up.

we need a win bad.

duh?

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Aug 21, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah good thing that last line is there

“if this play keeps up.”

yeah, you ain’t gunna win much when you’re losing every game.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was going to suggest we need to rock down to electric avenue

but i like your suggestion better.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 21, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing

Someone asked me to write down a prospect list the other day . . . I had Matt Carpenter at #3.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Aug 21, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

do people stop you on the street, asking you to autograph their prospect lists?

/wondering

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 22, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

they used to, but don't ever since the unfortunate incident

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

every time i see tyler henley's name i think it's Hanley Ramirez

and then i haz a sad

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2010 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Guys you could consider:

Oscar Taveras: 18 year-old international signing (I believe) showing impressive pop (.209 ISO) and .905 OPS in Johnson City (Rookie Ball). Still young, a long way off, with a crappy walkrate and a possible one year wonder but impressive for such a youngster. Likely stuck in an outfield corner, though.

Audris Perez: 21 year-old catcher at short-season Batavia. Made somebody’s (K Law?) top 10 for us last year. Shown some pop, nice BA (again an elevated BABIP) and apparently has the skills to stick at catcher. Likely more ceiling than anyone other than Stock (arguably) or Stanley at C.

Nick Longmire & Cody Stanley have done well from this year’s draft.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and, adendum:

the guy that you and I BOTH definitely forgot: Deryk Hooker. .284 FIP, striking out over one batter per inning, split between low- and high-A ball this year as a 21-year-old. He had his problems last year (a suspension for drug use being the main one) but he looks like a genuine pitching prospect to me – good stuff, good results (albeit with a jump in BB rate and a worrying loss of groundballs since moving up to palm beach) and still at an age-appropriate level. I’d probably have him towards the bottom end of my top 10 Cards’ prospects.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

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