Pedro Feliz, Mike DeJean, and John Mozeliak
by DanUpBaby on Aug 20, 2010 4:24 AM EDT
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PrintThere is, undoubtedly, a universe in which Pedro Feliz puts the Cardinals on his back and carries a .300 OBP into the World Series, but I'm relatively sure I don't live in it. That's one of the reasons this trade is so confusing: the upside, even in the bluest-sky version of the trade, just won't show itself to me.
So he's better than Felipe Lopez on defense. I won't dispute this—at times in the last five years he's been outstanding. But Felipe Lopez, even in the midst of his worst season since 2007, isn't as bad on defense as those errors made him seem, and John Mozeliak should know that and probably does. And his OPS is 130 points higher than Pedro Feliz's OPS.
Wait, wait, let me try again: Felipe Lopez's OPS this year is 130 points worse than it was last year. Pedro Feliz's OPS is 130 points worse than Felipe Lopez's is this year. Feliz is a bad hitter having a truly awful year. If he bounces back he's a bad hitter having a bad year.
What this reminds me of most isn't 2007 but 2003. The 2007 team wasn't very good, and was clearly on its last legs; the 2003 team had a lot to look forward to, some good teams in its division, and some crippling problems, which Walt Jocketty attempted to solve in an unusually poor way.
That August Jock looked at the bullpen, which, behind Jason Isringhausen, featured Cal Eldred as the only right-hander to pitch an entire season with an ERA under five, and decided the best way to fix it, or at least the most expedient, was to pick up Brewers closer Mike DeJean.
DeJean, unlike Feliz, wasn't a terrible player; he was utterly replaceable, the kind of guy who might get 15 saves four seasons in a row when better pitchers come and go, but he wasn't terrible. As a Cardinal, for all the futility his brief stint evokes, he was kind of a lucky charm—the Cardinals went 12-6 in his appearances and lost just one, a brutal game against the Cubs, by his direct intervention. He pitched well in high-leverage situations and badly in low-leverage situations.
But he clearly wasn't enough. And there's something about both moves that smacks of the empty gesture—they might not be harmful, but they're signaling without content, and it's discomfiting to see Mozeliak make moves that are either disingenuous or dumb.
The Cardinals' playoff chances, per Baseball Prospectus, stand now at 47%. Putting aside the poor connotations the word has, the Reds have been good and lucky, and the Cardinals have been about as good and considerably less lucky. This is what that scenario looks like.
But 47% isn't the Cardinals being done—it's the Cardinals having finally squandered their chance to run away with the division. They're still in it, and yesterday's ill-timed off-day could still be the low-water mark of a season that promised a lot and has underdelivered.
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what was its BAC?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping that Feliz is a band aid fix
to allow Lopez to get some off days, while continuing to look for an upgrade at the position.
If the upgrade happens, Feliz ends up DFA’d or as a late inning defensive replacement.
If there is no other trade, then this just sucks.
i've been thinking about 2003 too
jock’s floundering efforts to stabilize the pitching staff that year produced not only dejean but also esteban yan, pedro borbon, dustin hermanson, and sterling hitchcock. . . . . .
this is the first truly irrational move that mozeliak has made, imho. he has made other questionable moves before, but they always addressed a core need. you might disagree with his solution, but at least he was attacking a legitimate problem. this is the first time he seems to have completely misdiagnosed - feliz improves the team where it already excels (run prevention) and makes it worse where it is already weak (run production).
i don't see how 3rd base defense wasn't a legitimate problem?
it’s not like he went out and got a defensive shortstop or catcher, he got a guy who plays good to great defense at a position where we don’t have anyone who naturally plays the positiion. sure, feliz sucks, but mozeliak didn’t just make a trade for the hell of it.
lopez is a bad defender, sure
but that’s not the reason the team is struggling to win. they’re struggling to win because they can’t score runs consistently. they’re losing games 3-2, not 7-6. lopez’s bad glove just doesn’t cost as many runs as people seem to believe.
I know it's been asked a thousand times before. . .
whether Tyler Greene? How is Greene’s bat, glove, and cost NOT superior to Feliz?
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
How was Greene's bat and glove NOT superior to Aaron Miles?
How was Jay’s bat and glove NOT superior to Randy Winn?
How was Craig’s bat and glove NOT superior to Nick Stavinoha?
How was Bryan Anderson’s bat and cost NOT superior to Jason LaRue?
We could go on and on all day in this vein.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Why does anyone here even try to make those arguments?
It’s pointless. This team under the current management is not going to give anything to young upside players, they always have and always will.
We should all be happy rasmus freese and Garcia have been such big parts of the team this year, that’s more than we could say about la russa before. Baby steps.
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Young guys who haven't been given a chance by the cardinals
just off the top of my head
Pujols
Yadi
Wainwright
Garcia
McClellan
Motte
A. Reyes
Duncan
Jay
Freese
Mather (handed the first baseman job. in spring training last year before injury set in)
Joe Thurston
Ankiel
Rasmus
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Aug 20, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well you listed 3 guys that I did.
I wasn’t really counting relievers because it would be impossible to go back and tell if they were actually being given a shot or were on the roster to eat some innings in blow outs. Duncan was the coaches son and they let Reyes pitch like Reyes for all of 3 games before they decided to change his entire pitching style, not really just giving a guy a shot. I thought thurston was like 28 when he was here? And that’s 14 guys since 2001, right? So my point stands that them playing rasmus freese and Garcia as much as they have is a huge step forward but they aren’t just gonna give up on the veteran retread thing as evidenced by feliz Winn miles mcdougal
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reyes started more than any other pitcher
between 06-08. He was given a shot.
I guess we could discount relievers if we want to ignore evidence that goes against your point. Motte was given the closer role his rookie year (with a quick hook) and handed the 8th inning work. McClellan skipped AAA all together and was put in many a tight situation his rookie year.
14 guys, off the top of my head, is 1.5 young guys per year. Which is actually a good amount for a team that has been in the playoffs for most of those years. I’m sure if the Cardinals came in 3rd and below for another of years they’d blow it up and we’d have a lot more young guys like Huston does now. (btw, I really don’t remember the 01-05 campaigns, being I was out of state and out of country for a lot of it. So there could be more)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
So 1.5 guys a year
And I said we should be very happy that rasmus freese and Garcia were playing as much as they are. Where’s the argument here?
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not like Thurston was young
and Mather wasn’t given Pujol’s job :)
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
THIRD BASE!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
can you imagine seeing someone run around in those pants?
freaking hillarious
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i was going with young as in
“rookie” “no Major League baseball experience” Not age. If we go for age i’m sure I can find someone else besides Thurston.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Was just joking with you
I added your lone rec as well :P
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Sometimes it takes a while, and sometimes they do it in a way that doesn't seem whole-hearted.
But as you say, they end up doing it despite their old man fetish.
by Jon S. on Aug 20, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well to be fair, Wainwright won a starting job with his performance and was put in the bullpen anyway
Many of those rookies were 27ish years old when they got a chance. Pujols was going to the minors until McGwire punched Tony in the throat. But yeah, I get your point
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed...i think garcia is arguably the team mvp
by guillermozeliak on Aug 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
very arguably
Pujols
Wainwright
Carpenter
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 20, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
But it’s not like there’s a ton of hitters available that are gonna fix our offense and they needed a 3rd basemen who can field the position. Maybe it wasn’t a necessity or even on the top 10 of things they need but I don’t see any reason to criticize mozeliak for the move either.
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it's amazing to me that people are supporting this move
The problem is that he went out and acquired a player who is among the very worst in the major leagues. Definitely a worse option than four — four! — players we currently have (Lopez, Craig, Greene, and Gotay). It’s really sad when the GM follows Jeff Gordon’s logic (“Something had to be done”) instead of actually — you know — doing something that will increase our odds of winning games.
It's not like I'm psyched for feliz
But I don’t really give a shit either, we traded a crummy prospect for a good infield defender, which is what the team felt they needed. That’s the key in the discussion, what the team feels they need and not what a bunch of people on a blog think they need.
My reaction to the trade is pretty much the same as all our other crummy waiver wire pickups, two dismissive wanks and I’m over it. Some people are acting like this is a disaster move or something and like it’s really gonna affect the teams ability to win.
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*Epic* disaster: .221 BA, .243 OBP, .311 SLG, .555 OPS, .241 wOBA
To not be something on par with what the St. Louis scene in Independence Day II would look like (i.e., a giant alien mothership eviscerating St. Louis from Busch Stadium outward), Feliz would have to be the equivalent of Brooks Robinson defensively at third base, which isn’t.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
those guys in the front office can be wrong too.
just because they felt like they needed a no hitting defensive upgrade doesn’t make it right. and to be quite frank, they didn’t need a no hitting defensivie upgrade.
btw, David Carpenter isn’t just a “crummy prospect”. He wasn’t in our Top 10, but that doesn’t make him crummy. Not only that, but he could have been used as part of another trade down the road. so you lose a bullet on a guy who is a complete failure at hitting a baseball.
With Ryan and Skip (and the pitcher) in the lineup, the last thing we needed was to add someone to it that actually makes it worse. Lopez hadn’t hit for a while, but he’s still leaps and bounds better than Feliz.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
But all traded prospects could have been used for something else
No matter who they might have picked up for third, it would have been the same way. A prospect still would have been gone for basically a stop gap.
Not in the top 10
On an organization which generally has one of the worst farm systems isn’t exactly an encouraging prospect.
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to be fair
he is a crummy prospect… i don’t know how else you define a 25 year old still in A… remember this isn’t matt carpenter, the AA 3B ripping it up
i got confused with this at first and was freaking out
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 23, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They're now going to play one of baseball's worst players at 3rd
I mean I’m assuming Feliz wasn’t brought aboard to sit on his bum and twiddle his thumbs. The guy’s going to play and he’s an absolutely lousy player, good glove or not.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it sad
we’re looking for a starter at 3B who can’t start for an also ran in our division (LaRoche, Counsell, Feliz)?
Feliz is a terrible acquisition because we are weak in run production and he adds another automatic out to a lineup full of them. Maybe it indicates throwing in the towel because he, like Westbrook, is a rental. Mo seems to be positioning himself to unload half the roster this winter (to sign Albert?). The Ludwick trade indicated going all in to win this year with pitching, but then they lost well pitched games due to bad defense, Tuesday’s Brewers loss just the latest example. In Suppan’s start in Chicago Skip botched a double play and Soriano promptly hit a two run homer. The fifth run the Cubs got scored on a popup that landed untouched in the infield. All three of those runs were “earned.” The unmade double plays have been an epidemic, so where I disagree is where you say this team excels in run prevention.
by vinniefromjersey on Aug 20, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
The key to "pitch to contact"
…is having a good defense behind you.
This is true at the Little League level and it’s true at the Major League level.
If you're "throwing in the towell"
you don’t add payroll to make your team worse.
there would be no reason to do this trade. hell, just cut Carpenter and you’d be better off than getting Feliz in return.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I had forgotten how bad 2003 was until I saw that list of names.
I would feel sick everytime Estaban Yan would come in to pitch.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
I thought we all agreed that Yan's name would never come up here again.
The horror, the horror…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What? He was Undefeated in a Cards Uniform!
And that 6.02 ERA and 4.70 FIP – mmmmmmmm, that’s tasty….
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
You're suffering from Mad Cow disease.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
what worries me about Cincy
is they are much better against the shitty teams than the cardinals. just taking a quick look at the win/loss vs division foes, the reds have won 10 of 13 vs the cubs, 4 of 5 vs the brewers, 7 of 9 vs the astros and 8 of 13 vs the pirates. a look at the cardinals and you see they’ve won 4 of 9 vs the cubs, 6 of 12 vs te brewers, 5 of 12 vs the astros, and 5 of 6 vs the pirates (everyone wins vs the pirates). Sure, we’ve beat up on the reds when we’ve played them, which is a good sign IF the team makes the playoffs, sadly our inability to play above the level of horrible teams is going to cost them the opportunity.
We seem play to our level of competition this year.
Generally when people theorize that the team isn’t properly “motivated” or something I discount it, since we’re talking about professionals here. But there could be something to this. They are human. It’s probably mostly injuries and a combination of luck in either direction, but I am also reminded of one of those immortal Yogi Berra stories when he botched a catch that should have been an automatic out (I believe he was playing right field or something cause he was getting old and couldn’t play catcher as often). Later he said to reporters, “I nonchalanced it.”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the split to look at
is road vs. home.
I really don’t think it’s a “motivation” issue, but there’s something effed up once they get on that plane.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
road v. home and record within division.
Walton has something about post-offdays, but I haven’t read it yet.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don't win within the division
You probably won’t win the division, seems to be there problem this year (except when they play the 1 other good team in the division).
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's the one.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So since the giants are
ahead of us, we should sweep them correct?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
how does that work with the waiver wire?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
playing down to your competition
is a direct result of being overly confident (or lazy). It’s really difficult to point a finger at the coaching staff when players become arrogant (especially professional athletes).
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
by Tackle Box on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
love the avatar
i feel the need…the need for speed!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
We're out of cash
Most of Mo’s pickups, while frustrating, make at least some sense if you think of the Cardinals as in desperate need of depth and utterly bereft of cash. Suppan, Winn, MacDougal, Miles—these people are all cheap. As much as we rip the signing of Miles, he is the 25th man on the roster and doesn’t play much. On a team with clubhouse chemistry issues, maybe he helps in that respect, too.
Admittedly, all of these moves also came at the expense of young players playing time. But you need depth, too, and sitting on the bench is not great for young players’ development. And some players don’t adjust well to playing off the bench—people like Miles understand it and might serve as a role model to younger players.
But Feliz was mediocre at his long past peak and seems in serious decline, both offensively and defensively. His bat would not carry even a gold glove at any position, and there is evidence he is not good defensively any more. It is hard to see any upside here. It is hard to look at the evaluation process that went into this and have faith in the team’s upper management.
For all of the talk about the team doing this because of the importance of defense, this is the same team that is playing a fourth OF as its 2B, apparently under the mistaken belief that if you hit like a middle infielder you must be able to play there. Orlando Hudson was looking for jobs last offseason and would have come cheaply, and I’m sure he would play better defense than Skip, but the Cardinals made no move, not even this simple and inexpensive one, to shore up defense at 2B. And they have learned that Skip’s empty .300 batting average is less exciting when hits for lower average.
They kept Skip at second because they are out of cash. They traded Ludwick because they are out of cash. They pick up scrubs because they are out of cash. The press conference for Holliday should have included a quote that picking up Holliday also meant we were getting these other decisions—no real second basemen, playing time for second tier prospects, and a parade of washed up dumpster players.
I get we are broke and need to fish out of dumpsters. But even when dumpster diving, you don’t take everything just because it is free.
come on
they kept Skip at 2nd ‘cause he’s their starting 2nd baseman. They’re paying him.
They traded Ludwick ‘cause if you hadn’t noticed, people were bitching about our 4th and 5th starters constantly. We didn’t have 4th and 5th starters.
the team isn’t broke. You would use money to acquire whom?
Skip is the starting second baseman
because he is cheap. They are paying him $2 million dollars, which is cheap for a starting position player. Orlando Hudson is playing for $5 million, by comparison. Brandon Phillips makes $6.75 million.
Ludwick was traded because of money issues. Media coverage said that, as did people involved with the team. Larussa specifically said: “it looked like it would be tough to keep Ludwick this winter.”
The article he says this is here: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_3bf17419-b396-5bb2-a999-39e7b61894ed.html
The future is not now. You said the team is out of cash now
The problem you refer to is solved simply by not offering Lud arbitration.
So we have a choice of NOT offering arbitration and losing Lud for nothing this winter or trading him for something useful now? And you think the latter was the wrong move?
When did I use the word now?
I did not say that.
I do think they are low on cash now, and have trouble adding much salary. So moving Ludwick’s current salary helped with Westbrook.
But they are low on cash in general—now and next year.
And they could have traded Ludwick in the offseason before offering him arbitration. Which is something the media noted as well.
When I hear "out of cash"
I think “can’t make payroll right now”, not “low on funds this and next year”
Probably just too much time helping run a small business I guess…
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Maybe I'm just engaging in wishful thinking
I’d rather believe they are out of money than believe that Mo thinks that Jeff Suppan, Aaron Miles, Randy Winn and Pedro Feliz are the sorts of players that will pull a team up to winning a pennant.
It's not like they didn't try
To get better players but everyone was interested in shelby miller, there wouldve been a vebsplosion if he was dealt, so really there’s no pleasing the masses.
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've been thinking that as well
The one common thread in all these moves have been money. Are they out of money, no. But DeWitt probably figures that pocketing an extra $10 million with all the Dollar-store shopping is a nice hedge against missing the playoffs. Everyone has to worry about the bottom-line.
Just win
That doesn't really make sense...
…when you’re in a solid position to make the playoffs and doing so would make you much more than $10 million.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Would it?
I’m not asking to be condescending I’m genuinely curious as to how much the team would make if they made the playoffs as opposed to just standing pat and saving the 10 mil and being competitive til the end of the year.
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess it all depends on how much they actually make (and keep) from making the playoffs
If it’s really $3MM away and $10MM home per game, then that goes straight to the bottom line, and it’s WAY worth it to make the playoffs.
Slightly OT: Does anyone here know if you pay the players more if you make the playoffs, or is that only if there are specific terms in a player’s contract?
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
they get playoff shares
which are much smaller than their regular salaries (at least for the non-minimum guys).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 20, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks WMT
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
I remember several years ago
that Molina got something approximating $300,000
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I severely doubt he's pocketing an extra 10M
The Ludwick→Westbrook deal was 100% motivated by money vs. a C prospect→Westbrook deal so I would have to think they aren’t in that great of financial shape.
Not afraid to nitpick
we're not the yankees
but ticket sales are good
i don’t think they’re struggling, just trying to keep things in check
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
It's clear they keep pretty close to a certain plan
They always say they have cash in reserve if the right move comes along, but they seem to be pretty scrupulous about that and not just spend money because they can.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm starting to think that there must be an old road salt silo full of dry powder out there somewhere
i keed i keed
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't say i blame them
things can get out of control quick
i am actually pretty happy they seem to have a payroll line they’re trying not to cross
or we’ll have a couple more kyle lohses quick
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Yeah, I am actually very grateful for it, at least thinking long-term
It can be frustrating in specific instances, but I try to remind myself that it is good to not become the Cubs or the Mets.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the GOB are listening!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I question the being broke thing
If the Cardinals spend some money to upgrade at third base AND therefore make the playoffs wouldn’t they be better off financially than if they picked up Feliz and didn’t make the playoffs?
Don’t the playoffs bring in a lot of extra cash to a club? Enough to pay for a rental? I thought so, but I’m not sure.
Now it may be that all the other organizations realize the bind Cardinal management are in and are asking way too much in return. I would totally believe that. Cause my impression of the FO (DeWitt and Mo) is that they are not cheap as much as they are looking for a fair deal.
mumble mumble, yeah, perhaps they over paid for Holliday a bit but they sure don’t want to make a habit of it. Oh, yeah and there’s that Lohse contract. grumble grumble
So, Feliz plays a few games, maybe Lopez gets his mojo back with rest. It’s not the end of the world. This season has been mystifying and frustrating. That’s for sure.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
i think it was something like
$3 Mil per road game, and $10 mil per home game….
Of course i could be way off on those numbers. Just what I remember being thrown around.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Is that profit
Or simply revenue?
by lopey986 on Aug 20, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dunno
i believed it was net profit. I just remember reading something about back in like ’07. So my facts could be way off. I just remember it being in the $3-10 million per playoff game.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
One and the same
Except for the small incremental expense of actually employing the people at the stadium. I just asked the question above, but I’m pretty sure that there are no incremental expenses to paying your players/coaches in the playoffs.
If you increase revenue without adding expense, then it’s all gravy.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
information on post season ticket sales
The revenue is shared. If the series is extended then the playing teams get more.
Doesn’t mention TV etc.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
it also doesn't mention beer and food sales at the stadiums
TV would be the biggest gainer.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i think BP in their book estimated
a WS visit is worth 17mil
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Team Chemistry
I have heard alot of talk about this team’s negative team chemistry. Where does this all come from? I have heard the rumors, but mostly from VEB. Does anyone have any idea what is causing them? I thought in 2008 and 2009, team chemistry was a strong point of this team, almost to where the players genuinely seemed like buddies. Just watching the games this year, it seems as if the players really like seeing each other do well (and not just for the sake of winning).
So if the 2010 team has such issues, does anybody know the root? Often times, inconsistent play and disappointing production lead to “clubhouse issues”, but that is solely due to frustration. So what’s the deal?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Ha!
I think the mustaches need to come back. And Carpenter should pitch sleveless.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
...so you can get better shots of his tats?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i applaud your dedication
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Winning = good team chemistry
Losing = bad team chemistry
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
it's kind of silly to say it's bad team chemistry
when they were having dance parties in the middle of losing streaks.
be concerned about the winning. man stew is extra.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Media translation.
Winning = Good
Losing = Bad
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
probably the smartest thing they'll say
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the theory
that “people like Miles understand it and might serve as a role model to younger players” sounds fine at first glance. But the hitch is (the basic argument we the ‘play the kids’ group like to make) that Miles, see Winn, also see now Feliz, being on the roster means there is no kid for him to role model. Miles, et al, take the place of the kid(s) A kind of catch-22.
Extending the logic, it would almost be better if Miles, Winn, Feliz were at Memphis or Springfield, where they really would get role modeling creds. Preposterous, I know
Also, there is no evidence that such a veteran proveness has had any positive effect on the field.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
proveyness?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I typed it an it read "pr-oh-vie-ness" to me, so I deleted it.
It might actually be provenness…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like proveyness
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the term, not the actual proveyness.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I like "provitude".
And “veteranality”.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I dunno, 'veteranality' implies some kind winning
maybe even finishing
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Veteranishness
as in “devilishly vetreanishness”
"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson
I wouldn't say out of cash...
Just trying to save so that we can compete with what the Yankees will be offering Pujols.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
I'm pretty sure they would make room.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Pujols and Texeira would probably take turns DHing and playing 1st...
Damn that would be a scary line up with A-roid, Tex, Pujols, Jeter, etc.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Hey Mang I am Albert Pujols. I no play the outfield... I play 1st base and hit hongruns
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
and win the gang
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
no
Not sure if they have yet either.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I think it is safe to say that it is sending Allen Craig down.
And I don’t necessarily mean this as a comment, but more as a prediction.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i dunno
Most recently craig was up and Stavinoha was down.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
That's true.
But, I’m still not optimistic. I hope you are right.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I hope it's Stav
It would be the height of foolishness to send Allen Craig down now. Even if you were to say that Stav and Craig are equals on the offensive side (we know they are not, but the organization seems to only remember April Stav), Craig can at least competently play the outfield.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
R. Hummell addresses it...
in this article.
A roster move, which likely will involve a righthanded-hitting outfielder, will made be before tonight’s game. Nick Stavinoha has been one of the Cardinals’ top pinch hitters, but his throwing is limited because of a recent shoulder separation. Rookie Allen Craig has gone one for his last 20.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 20, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
obviously,
Stav not being able to throw from the outfield has to weigh heavily….
Right Tony????!!!!
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 20, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
only if you plan on him playing in RF
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Right.
Let’s get Winn some more PAs and defensive innings. It’s a shame that they will never DFA Miles or Winn.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So we basically have Joe Thurston again.
Only 8 years older, and, not quite as good offensively. Fantastic.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
if Joe thurston could play defense sure.
(actually, I can’t remember if Joe could play defense at second.)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
He was acceptable at second, but not great, if I remember correctly.
I think that Thurston was roughly equivalent to Lopez defensively at third, wasn’t he?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I personally would rather have Joe Thurston
At least the guy could take a walk.
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 20, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He did raise that walk rate extremely well, didn't he?
Too bad he couldn’t hit the ball very well when swinging, or run the bases well, or field well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Dan McLaughlin took the Pedro Feliz trade pretty hard too...
yea I know too easy, but i’m in a rush..
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 20, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
The stress of having to work with Al every day finally caught up with him.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Or, the joy of hanging out with Shannon every day after work...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i hope this doesn't mean more
Rick in the booth with Al.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
that's got to be stock footage
dude is at least 30 lbs heavier now, if not more, judging from recent broadcasts
beer weight apparently
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This photo screams....
“I like turtles”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 20, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
How shit faced do you have to be for your eyes to be crossed?
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Half past wanting the fat chick and right before
waking up in a hooters outfit.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I was duct taped to a chair and put in my dorm's elevator in college once
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Those must be some epic pics.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 20, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed so hard that I now have to clean the Dr. Pepper out of my keyboard.
That said, I’ve met Dan on a couple of occasions, and he’s a good guy, who made a really dumb mistake.
by RollBirdsRoll on Aug 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying
Is he’s just like Mo?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 20, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
except
Freese is being DD’ed by Fredbird these days.
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
by Vindicator9000 on Aug 20, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno,
by the time I was that hammered, I couldn’t see myself to tell you.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What if Pedro Feliz is as good as it gets?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he's jd
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan looks like had a good time, at least.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
looks like he's still having a good time
what are the chances he’ll be pulled from tonight’s broadcast?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Approaching 100%, I'd think.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a second...
the thing that ate jack clark is now trying to eat Dan!
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Wouldn't you drink too
If you had to put up with Al, Rick and his bitterness over a no-hitter broken up by a bunt when he was 12, and Jim Hayes?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 20, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
My name would Harry Doyle in a couple of weeks.
Except for the Cat, him I could deal with.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
awful lot of details for joshing
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm kinda getting fed up with alcohol related incidents within the Cardinals organization.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Like I said last night.....
Does anyone associated with the Cards no how to call a cab?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't have a problem with drinking.....
It’s the lack of responsibility that is shameful.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
When I'm in St. Louis, I cab it,
and I make a small fraction of what the manager and players do as well as probably a lot less than the announcers. I don’t understand how they can’t have a cab or even a driver. Their behavior is reckless and angering. After all, it isn’t just their safety they are putting at risk, but everyone else on the roads as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Walk, cab, or metro for me.
But then again, I fly in and stay downtown so I don’t need a car.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I stay downtown typically, too,
and cab it when I stray from downtown and the metro.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
In many, many ways
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 20, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was selfish, I was wrong
I was right, I swear I’m right. Swear I knew it all along.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
So how about these 2010 Cardinals, huh, huh, am I right?
At this point, it’s getting pretty depressing. Cincy doesn’t make it any better when they keep on winning.
Padres' RFL for GG!
Unfortunately
the whole team is playing below career norms. If Schu, Molina and Ryan were hitting like last year, Rasmus and Freese weren’t injured, and Lopez could spell the infield, then this is a different team. There would be no need for a trade like this.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
+1
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
if i wasn't GDM i'd be a handsome wealthy man who all the ladies loved
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
From MLB Trade Rumors....
If this is true, why did they even bother with Feliz?
The Denver Post’s Troy Renck reports that the Cardinals and Braves are among the teams waiting for the Rockies to put Barmes on waivers.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Aug 20, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
Snif, Snif.....
…wait…is that the faint odor of desperation I smell?
:=8/
Barmes is who we should have gone for, but I guess we cudn’t wait. He aint a world-beater, but he’s cow bells and udder above the likes of Happy Pete who probably needs a couple of Cialis just to get the wood off his shoulder…
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 20, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well played, good sir
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Aug 20, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
no mental images
no mental images
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
incase they can't get Barmes?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
aha, so this is how you win a series against the cubs
game 1: studwick saves the 1-0 game
game 3: some more RF heroics and then tie the game in the late innings and score for the win
can we sign that Ludwick guy?
..oh wait…
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
by d-dee on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
[weep]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just waiting for MLB Authentics to ditch the RFL!!! Authentic jerseys
for super cheap.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Great post DanUp
It’s striking how even-handed and realistic your post was, juxtaposed against the gloom, and doom in the comments section.
1) The Cards ain’t broke, at least, not $$$ wise. If there was a way for money to fix this problem right now this very instant, it would have been done. There is nothing out there to be had for $$$. Prospects, sure, but the Cards aren’t exactly awash with minor leaguers that other teams want.
2) Orlando Hudson vs. Skip Schumaker. Monday morning QBing of the worst sort, anyone? Here’s two players:
Player A:
Year Age PA BA OBP SLG OPS+ GDP Pos
2007 27 188 .333 .358 .458 111 5 978
2008 28 594 .302 .359 .406 102 19 *879
2009 29 586 .303 .364 .393 101 4 *479/8
6 Seasons 1845 .293 .350 .387 96 35
162 Game Avg. 544 .293 .350 .387 96 10
Player B:
Year Age Tm Lg PA BA OBP SLG OPS GDP Pos
2004 26 TOR AL 551 .270 .341 .438 .779 12 *4
2005 27 TOR AL 501 .271 .315 .412 .728 10 *4
2006 28 ARI NL 650 .287 .354 .454 .809 17 *4
2007 29 ARI NL 601 .294 .376 .441 .817 21 *4
2008 30 ARI NL 455 .305 .367 .450 .817 18 4/D
2009 31 LAD NL 631 .283 .357 .417 .774 16 *4
9 Seasons 4524 .282 .349 .428 .776 123
By all accounts, Skip was a solid lead-off hitter coming into the season, and 2 years younger than Hudson. Criticism of choosing Schumaker over Hudson is simply not warranted.
3. Yes, Pedro Feliz is awful. Call him Aaron Miles who can play very good defense at the hot corner (or at least used to be able to). Fine. The Cards gave up nothing for him. And while Floppy is a better hitter, he is overexposed right now and hitting no better over his last 28 days is 175/275/238, worse than – wait for it – Pedro Feliz (280/280/360). Yes, SSS, but the rest of the season is a small sample size, and Floppy’s not hitting or fielding right now. I don’t like the move, but right now this very moment, Pedro Feliz is an upgrade over Floppy at 3B.
4. I love Allen Craig, you love Allen Craig, we all love Allen Craig. But. . . the man is hitting 169/219/254 and is striking out in almost 25% of his PAs. I know, i know, SSS, but again, the rest of the season is a small sample size. Betting that Craig is going to snap out of his hitting funk over the next 75 PA (or Lopez for that matter) is no better bet than expecting Pedroi Feliz to provide the same offensive production over the next 75 PA while playing average to above-average 3B.
5. Finally, is it Mo’s fault that Colby Rasmus is turning into JD Drew version 2 with the nagging injures? Or that David Freese is the Geronimo Pena of the 21st century? Or that Boog started the season with a wrist injury? Or that Greene T got hit with a pitch? I do wonder why the Cards aren’t turning to the infield depth (Ruben Gotay) that Mo astutely snagged in the off season, but the rash of injuries has been very unfortunate.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 20, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
'scuse me.
i don’t mean to derail a thoughtful and well-detailed post, but how did you make tables in a post?
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
B-Ref did it for me
Go to the stat table that you want. . .
Click on Sort. . .
Delete rows and colu,ns that you don’t want. . .
Click on Pre-formatted table. . .
Copy and paste from the ensuing text box that pops up, including the [PRE] [/PRE] tags (Note: it will look wonky on that screen, but the columns all align perfectly when you paste it here, probably due to some kind of black magic). . .
Ummmm, profit?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Eureka!
I’ve wanted to know how to do that forever. Thanks!
Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards 2010 35 HOU NL 97 304 289 22 64 12 1 4 31 1 1 9 31 .221 .243 .311 .555 49 90 9 1 0 5 1 53
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you need to put this in a Fanshot, so we can all readily get to it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The main thing is that the [pre] tags force everything into a fixed-width font.
Inside that, you’re free to lay things out however you’d like.
B-R has a bunch of options for pulling data out that’s probably worthy of a Fanshot all on its own, though.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
the cards are in 2007 mode
all over again. that’s what i hate about this team. any time they are desperate, they go out and get everybody else’s scrubs in hopes that they can be good again (ie. maroth). and, 99% of the time, the scrubs continue to be the scrubs, not the 2007 version of felipe lopez.
to me, there is no way that this cardinals team can rebound from a 3 1/2 game deficit with the way the roster is shaped. of course, i don’t think many of us figured that the reds would be a contender or still be hanging around this late in the season – i sure didn’t!
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
we are no where near as bad as the 2007 team!
give me a break! sorry to bug you about this, but you are way over the top
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
this post makes me look like i'm hopped up on happy pills
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Most of zoomzoom's posts would do that.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Dejean
That deal was what crossed my mind too. A lot of it is about Feliz itself, but it is also about the sheer panic and desperation the move represents. “We have to do something!” rarely leads to a good trade.
Say it aint so, Mo
This team has the best hitter in the league, the best pitcher in the league, the best second year player in the league, the best first year player in the league, the best one-two top two hitter punch, the best top three of any rotation and arguably the best top four.
This team also has the worst position player in the majors from 2010, the worst position player in the majors from 2009, one of the worst starters in the majors for the last three years running, a second baseman who is not a second baseman, a backup catcher who never plays, a chair, and players who could produce better than all of these players sitting in the minor leagues.
And we never pick up Chad fucking Gaudin.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Aug 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Chad Gaudin
the same guy that has given up 10 HR in 45 relief innings?
and allowed righties to cuff him around to the tune of 308/396/527?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
What strikes me about these recent moves is that they reveal a shockingly poor approach to team construction, along with the more obviously poor evaluations of individual players. The Ludwick/Westbrook trade and the Feliz trade are both about HAVING TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW Miles and Stav are about HAVING TO HAVE THE RIGHT ROLE PLAYERS ON TEH BENCH
It is fine to have carry one utility guy or a pitcher on the end of the bullpen bench to keep things lively, set a tone, keep people motivated, or whatever the coach wants. But our problem is that we have around six of these types right now, and they’re playing major roles on a daily basis.
What Mo should have done is to invest in quality depth in the off-season. Seriously, we went into this season with a rookie coming off a serious injury at 3rd, counting on two starters with high injury/durability issues — without a good back-up plan, with a converted outfielder at 2nd who offers only BA at the plate and poor defense, and no reasonable back-up catcher. That’s just poor planning and poor roster construction.
We have been, by my estimation, a little unlucky in how things turned out. But the front office did not prepare this club to be a little unlucky, and instead seemed to have our hopes for this season rest on getting lucky multiple times over, with multiple players. This is not the kind of planning that tends to yield championships. Of course I hope that we will win anyway, but for this to happen we really need some of the “role” players to perform far better than we have any right to expect them to.
And, by the way, I guess that Feliz is just a very temporary option for us. He might get DFA’d in a couple of weeks when rosters expand, or when a better option shakes loose following waivers. I hope that’s true, anyway.
Quality depth in the offseason. . .
Well, how many more infielders did you want him to stash on the 40-man?
starter Boog
starter Skippy
Floppy
Gotay (AAA)
Greene T (AAA)
Yes, Jarrett Hoffpauir got away, a move that I hated at the time, but aside from a cup of coffee in late June-early July for the Jays where he hit an underwhelming 214/267/250, he hasn’t been able to crack a lineup with a 2B who is putting up a sub-700 OPS and a 3B roulette wheel of suck.
Julio Lugo, who was traded away for being superfluous, another deal I hated, has put up a 252/303/286 line for the Orioles.
Back-up infielders are notoriusly below average, that’s why they are backing up the hitters on the team that are generally the weakest anyway. Sure, you can get lucky with the best 6 weeks of Ronnie Belliard’s decline phase, or Julio Lugo’s 2009 redemption tour, as the Cards have in the recent past. But arguing over the merits of Pedro Feliz vs. overexposed Floppy vs. Khalil Greene vs. Tim Jones vs. Tripp Cromer vs. Bo Hart is the equivalent of two bald men fighting over a comb.
This statement, however, “a converted outfielder at 2nd who offers only BA at the plate and poor defense” is just wrong. Skippy had put up an OBP > 350 for two years straight, weighted heavily towards a platoon split. Skippy was a perfectly reasonable 2B choice this year, particullarly with an able platoon partner (as Floppy should be) to take all of the 2B ABs vs lefties. Granted his defense has regressed from his thoroughly adequate 2nd half last season, and maybe that could have and should have been predicted, but Skippy projected to be an offensive asset coming into his season.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, I'm rec'ing that!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
As always,
Fritz puts things in perspective.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fictional Characters I Would Rather Have Playig Third For the Cardinals than Pedro Feliz:
God Tier:
Yoda
The Warden from Superjail!
Dr. Octopus
Good Tier:
Pikachu
James Bond
Stephen Daedalus
Shit Tier:
Holden Caufield
Jake Sully from Avatar
The Colonel from Avatar
Anyone else from Avatar
James Cameron (damnit, he is real)
Pedro Feliz (damnit!)
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I would put Kramer in the God tier
according to Jerry, you couldn’t get anything past him when he played first for the comedy club softball team. Of course this was before he poured gatorade on the guy who had the heart attack and died
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Feliz II
Everybody is desperately trying to cobble together something that makes sense here. That’s understandable, most of us are heavy duty Cardinal fans who want the team to succeed. But try as I might, I can not see any upside here. At the very least it burns another roster spot with an unproductive player, precludes any serious solution to the third base mess and adds woe and malaise to a clubhouse already down in the dumps.
I would love to be dead wrong, and I will cheer every positive thing Feliz does – at the plate or in the field – but if this plays out the way it looks to, Mo has to take the hit, and the organization will have to find somebody with a more creative and professional approach.
I have nothing against him personally, but this is just terrible.
I've been wondering about MO lately...
I recently remembered that, when he was being considered for and eventually chosen for the GM job, I read a lot about how he was mostly a “negotiator” or something. I got the impression that his specialty was making the deals happen and talking with agents and other front office people, that sort of thing. Could it be that he really is lacking a bit in the “vision” department?
So far I have really thought he was a decent GM. He clearly doesn’t totally bow down to La Russa even though it feels like he does. But this move is just purposeless. I don’t get it. But I, like most here, will cheer Feliz and hope he does well.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Hey why not? Let's go full retro suck:
And Todd Wellemeyer is still out there... lurking...
(scary music)
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
aaaaahhh
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The Veteran Rescue foundation is having a busy year.
What does Mo do when he runs out of space?
/Pujols and Holliday DFA’d
Esteban Yan
is pitching in the Mexican League. Go get ’em, Mo!
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, the one of Speez looks worse than Danny Mac's mugshot.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
looking at that pic with hindsight
definitely puts a different spin on the glassy stare and red chin strap
Heh
Maroth
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Tyler Johnson brah!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
*High five*
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 20, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that looks like some sort of weird progression sequence.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
remember when ?
Okay i know this is far fetched but……remember when #5 played third base ? I do and he was pretty good . Maybe its time to really shake it up….just sayin’ Its my first post so please be gentle AND my birthday. I’ve been reading comments a long time on VEB i also have watched Feliz play (in SF) and he has a cannon for an arm but never could hit in the clutch. :( Albert at 3rd ?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Aug 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions
yeah, craig can play 1b
put albert back on 3rd and confuse the shit out of the opponent
why the hell are you spending your birthday here?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
its really not that bad of an idea
but when the holy one blows his elbow at 3rd, there will be hell to pay. the entire coaching staff and management would instantly be on the verge of heading out the door.
Gritty Bloop Single
Gritty Bloop Single
Gritty Hustle
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Aug 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
remember when?
West Coast time coffee and VEB good way to start a birthday
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Aug 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
remember when?
yeah so ? anyway i think his elbow is fine now isnt it ?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Aug 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
thanks
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Aug 20, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's not
He still needss TJ surgery.
All they’ve done is deal with the side effects of it loosening up.
nice work, DanUp
a concise, poignant assessment of this silly acquisition. now, feliz, go catch lightning in a bottle!
what happens if the dude does?
Will VEB explode?
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
we'll just put him on a Watch
how’s that Aaron Miles Watch going…?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
.350 on groundballs has derailed my dream. Unfortunately, I’m not sure there’s really enough time this year so we’ll have to wait till next year.
Not afraid to nitpick
is there nothing good left in this world
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's really depressing
Literally the only reason the worst player in the big leagues is still on the team is because he has had 5-6 groundballs that were either hit so softly that they turned into infield hits and/or just happened to be placed in the right spot. And that’s almost certainly going to result in a true talent <.600 OPS bad defense guy taking high leverage, playoff determining ABs this year…..and he’ll be on the team next year.
Not afraid to nitpick
Don't fool yourself joker
If those 5-6 groundballs had been outs, he’d still be on the team
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
quite honestly...
I read this site every day and because of it I watch the Cardinals with a different slant now. I know that he was absolutely terrible for the Cubs last year (as well as the A’s and Reds) but I haven’t really seen much from his play this year that warrants the virtiolic hate you guys have for him.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Being Aaron Miles isn't enough?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
haha
you got me there… Fievel FTL
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What I'll never understand about Miles
Is how he won the match against that gunman in the hotel…I mean crap, was the gunman a member of the lollipop guild?
Either that or Aaron Miles hit a weak ground ball from the left-side that hit a bump in the carpet and struck the gunman’s kneecap….because Aaron Miles has luck like that.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 20, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He used to box!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Unfortunately
His Rock ‘Em Sock ’Em days don’t count, even though I’d love to see his little head go “pop.”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 20, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruce Lee was short too
And he beat Chuck Norris in a fight.
Doesn’t mean Miles is particularly good at baseball right now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
that fight was scripted.. and he only beat Chuck cuz it was his movie.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Fun Fact
Guess who got the first hit at the new Yankee Stadium
Bonus points if you can tell me what the hit looked like.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 20, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny Damon.
The grittiest Yankee since Lou Gehrig. A hundred-bouncer-Aron Miles number up the middle off Cliff Lee.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he is basically the worst possible option
http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&type=rzips
Grudzielanek is out of the big leagues and John McDonald is a +5 SS/10 2B…..Miles is a -5 2B. He is literally the worst 2B in the majors.
He’s hitting .348 on groundballs (vs. .230 career) and that is the only reason his line isn’t hideous—-put it this way, Ryan has 5 infield hits out of 116 groundballs hit, Miles has 6 infield hits out of 46 groundballs and I guarantee Ryan is quicker to 1B than Miles. Brendan Ryan has had to be really unlucky to be as bad as we should expect Miles to be going forward. He has zero power, doesn’t walk and is bad defensively, he’s not a major league talented player. So yes, I hate the fact that a AA quality player will take ABs in the middle of a division race.
Not afraid to nitpick
I still don't understand how Aaron Miles has such a shitty walk rate
His strike zone is microscopic
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is...
…That pitchers realize he’s powerless so they have no problem throwing the ball right down the tube to him. He also swings entirely too much.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not about Aaron Miles
My god if I hear one more person claim that VEB “hates” a bad player I may puke. Performance is the name of the game, and when a guy can’t play he should not fucking play. Miles is a terrible terrible player who slaps the ball about because he doesn’t have enough power to hit the ball with any authority. He gets a lot of hits largely because his weak slaps find holes, not because of any skill he possesses. He can’t field any position on the field, not even 2nd which is his “home” position. He’s bad at baseball, plain and simple. Not many regular commentors here would disagree with anything I said. Now, how is ANY of that hate? How is an honest and blunt assessment of his skills hate? Where did I insult his character or call him a name or anything like that? Where?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't mean to offend
but when people on here root against Aaron Miles at the expense of the team’s success I would classify that as hate. I agree that the guy has a terrible reputation, but for a backup infielder he has not yet been as terrible as you guys are predicting
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got a .307 wOBA
…and that’s with a horribly inflated batting average (see his .337 BABIP and ridiculous number of groundball hits which aren’t based on anything sustainable). He projects to have a .270 wOBA for the rest of the season. He can’t field any position. So yes, he has been as terrible as many predicted he’s just been lucky enough that his high batting average covers it up to people who don’t look a little harder.
Amongst all MLB 2nd basemen, he falls on THIS page in Fangraph’s wOBA rankings. Notice anything? His BABIP is sky high compared to most of his peers on that page. Let’s say his BIP luck was less and that he’d had a normal BABIP, like .310 or so. Care to guess where he’d fall then? My point is this: he’s had a very bad year statistically even though he’s been very very fortunate when he puts the ball in play. Think about that and then tell me he’s not been terrible.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A .307 wOBA would put him in the bottom 30 of MLB, for those qualified for the batting title.
So, while I would have predicted something about 50 points lower, Aaron Miles is still one of the worst hitters in baseball. Perhaps Pedro Feliz is worse, I suppose.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Peter Happy and Aaron Miles on the same roster
Oh boy. Throw in Skippy and Boog and the Cards have… you know what never mind. I’m just going to try not to think about the rest of that sentence.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We will likely trot out a starting 9 that has five sub.-310 wOBA batters every game.
1) Pitcher
2) Yadi
3) Ryan
4) Skip/Miles
5) Feliz
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
wait, has anyone said that feliz is going to be the STARTING 3B?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Good point
I haven’t actually read that yet either.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
don't read the lineup down below
don’t say that I didnt warn you if you subject yourself to it
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just read it.
Poop. Ah well, I guess they might as well see what he’s got since he’s on the team.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i wonder...
is feliz at 3B, floppy at 2B greater than or less than floppy at 3B, skip at 2B…total production
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
maybe better...
That Floppy at 3rd and Miles at 2nd?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Okay, well, um...
Felipe Lopez has a .308 wOBA, so, basically, no matter what, we are going to be starting 5 batters with a wOBA of .310 or lower (unless and until Lopez heats up and starts hitting).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
he better never start against RHP
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
you can respond without being condescending
Sorry if I don’t run out to Baseball Reference immediately to prove a point and look a little harder.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It takes absolutely no time...
…to navigate to any decent stats website and check out how Miles has played so far. Considering the era in which we live I have little patience for people who make points that run completely counter to readily available data. A few minutes of research would have shown you exactly what I linked you. If you’re going to argue a player has done “X” you had better have something more than your own assertions to back that up. That’s just how it works.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
you know... i have a hard time navigating those websites so it takes me longer than you
this is mostly because I’m have only a limited understanding of advanced metrics compared to you. I really don’t know what I am looking for then to prove my point to somebody as smug as you. I simply stated an opinion as to what I see on TV. You basically agree with me that Miles has been getting hits, but have to run me down because I am not as smart as you when it comes to this stuff. Sorry to offend you with my ignorance.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He has no range in the field at all.
It drives me absolutely insane. His horrible base-running—most recently evidenced with him sophomorically getting caught in a rundown in between first and second against Florida—is angering, as well. He also rarely walks.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
did he not also drive in a crucial run in that game?
Holliday and Rasmus have made some really boneheaded running errors this year as well. Please don’t take this as comparing Miles Holliday and Rasmus in terms of overall value to the team, I am just saying that its not only him that is capable of being an idiot on the basepaths. Joe Thurston anybody?
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You make my point for me.
Because he does nothing else well, Miles has no margin of error on the base paths. Because Rasmus and Holliday do so much so well, their base-running mistakes are more tolerable. It was a crucial run, to be sure, but him ending the inning early proved as curcial as the hit.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's got Grittitude and Mascot Appeal...
…besides, if we didn’t have a bunch of udder ‘25th on the roster’ guys on the team and were winning no body would mind. Like it or not he’s a Cardinal and one of us so we shouldn’t root against him. Plus its easy to scapegoat someone who has little effect on the outcome of a season. I don’t mind if his hits are all luck and no skill, as long as they get through. And unlike some moore famous and better paid ‘professional’ athletes he’s at least trying and isn’t a clubhouse cancer. Trust the MooCow, everyone, Aaron Miles is not dragging this team down: the whole udder-achieving team is doing it to themselves.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Nobody's rooting against him, cow
At least not me or bgh. I’m sure he’s a great guy and has a great attitude and tries and all of that, he’s just a bad player. You say you don’t care if his hits are luck… care to sit there and watch while his luck runs out and he still plays semi-regularly because of his professionalism or something?
No, he’s not making Lopez and Schumaker and Ryan and Molina play poorly, but the simple fact of the matter is that Miles is one problem that could be easily remedied by removing him from the roster. Those other guys you just have to sit and cross your fingers.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
last I checked Miles isn't starting on a regular basis
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's gotten 3 or more at bats in 7 of the 14 games this team has played in August
He’s also played in 3 more, so he’s seen action in 10 of the team’s 14 games in August in the middle of a pennant race. It’s true he started less in July, but if a player isn’t good enough to step up and start when disaster strikes then they probably shouldn’t be on the roster. He’s playing enough that it’s certainly troubling.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he's not a dance of suckitude.....
…like some on this team. Old school baseball folks, TLR & Dunc among them I’m sure, will talk about a player ‘earning’ starts or at bats VS someone who has a lot moore ‘upside’. Craig Allen (alen greg allin etc…) has far moore upside and ceiling etc, but at 1 for 20 something some would say he hasn’t earned it. Or that he’s ‘not hot’. Miles has slapped a bunch of singles around, giving the perception of hitting, rightly or wrongly, and it may be felt that his time on the field is ‘earned’. until the old timers transition out this is the sort of stuff the younger alt-stat folks will have to put up with, rightly or wrongly. personally I’d sooner start Craig over Miles, but that doesn’t mean I see no use for Miles at all. he’s a bruised potato, for sure, but we have some worse ones in our barrel this year…
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I am rooting against him getting lucky hits
Yes, I hope he fails and does it quickly. Fortunately that is consistent with the belief that I am actually still rooting for the Cardinals, because every fluke hit he slaps his way into means he’s gonna get 3-4 more outs to make—-and 3-4 more outs he will make. The faster he can get down to what even Tony would consider a DFA line—-.260/.280/.300—-is the faster we can get a MLB player on the team.
i.e. every groundball through the hole he gets hurts the Cardinals long term.
Not afraid to nitpick
Once again, I think as long as Miles tries hard, he's got a spot on the team
It doesn’t matter what line he puts up. If he put up the .260/.280/.300 line you suggested, he’d still have a higher OPS than Pedro Feliz. I’d be surprised to see Miles get released this season, and I’d be surprised to not see him on the Cardinals next season if TLR is still the manager. He’s one of Tony’s guys.
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if Miles is not on the team next year
i will eat my laptop
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
the Cards never tried very hard to keep Miles
in previous offseasons. I’d be slightly surprised if he is on the roster next year.
Please remember to eat your laptop
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 20, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn't keep him because the Cubs gave him a fucking stupid contract
He’ll be back next year on a league minimum deal
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Deep fry it, and add ranch dressing
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
I would probably agree with you if this were earlier in the season...
but at this point, I just hope he gets as lucky as humanly possible through this year. If he’s going to bat anyway, might as well hit a texas leaguer or beat out a dribbler. We just don’t have time for anything else.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 20, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i f'ing hate the player&hope he fails epically
but i like the guy
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
it is our hate that fuels Aaron Miles...
Compliments are his Kryptonite
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Mo is a genius at setting expectations.
Now anything Feliz does that’s better than succumbing to a cerebral infarction while standing near 3B is a plus. One bloop single, a standard 5-4-3 DP, or really anything, is a positive outcome.
That MO guy is pretty crafty.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
As long as he ends up miraculously okay after, I'd prefer the cerebra infarction.
Mo might be forced to call up Gotay or Greene
by Mulliganstew on Aug 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Magic number 5?
So I was wondering what everyone thought the magic number of games out of first was too far to come back from to make the playoffs in the next couple weeks? Given that the Reds are not going away, and the Cardinals lack of ability to put inferior teams away my best guess is that anything more than 5 games back, and there is no chance for a rebound. Anything is possible I suppose, but this may be a question of sentiment rather than logic. This last part of the schedule in August portends bad things methinks. Hope I am wrong.
Hmm
I’d say if we fall 7.5 behind, our chances are grim.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm going to cheer up and
read some CJ Beatty. (he’s found the weight room.)
http://twitter.com/cjbeatty44
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I know it's for charity but this picture makes me think K-Mac's beard had a baby
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wouldn't the baby look like a baby wookie?
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it's still attached
it will develop
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My wife was there on call still this morning while they were there.
She sent me a phone picture of Carpenter. It was really rad.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
cue d-dee asking about tats.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in all seriousness
I don’t know how these guys make it through these types of visits… it would kill me to see these kids in the horrible health situations
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that its a children's hospital
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Saint Louis Children's Hospital
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
And what is her social seurity number?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Hey now
I am familiar with HIPAA, no foolin’ me!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i hate to tell you this...but i don't think your wife's bra size constitutes identifying personal health information
fess up
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I'm an A cup....
almost B.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
nobody cares about men's cup sizes
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
they care about my cup size
ifyaknowwhatimean!
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 21, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ya rub it in why don't you
we all know why you’re the popular one
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
HAAAY
I work there. Looks like 8th floor.
Carp was at my work today, and I didn’t see him :(
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
by Vindicator9000 on Aug 20, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i will slap your wife for not getting a proper picture!
especially if he was wearing shorts
jk
thanks for sharing
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Heh
You’re welcome. It is funny though, neither his face nor his tattoos are visible. So at first I thought maybe she was just messing with me and it was actually some kid’s dad wearing a Carpenter jersey.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That little baby is thinking about slam dunks.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that woman behind carpenter must be about 6'3"
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
I’m pretty sure it’s just a camera trick. She’s leaning against the desk there.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Probably staring and thinking "OHMYGODIT'SCHRISCARPENTER"
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Ahhh crap
I work at Children’s…. Carp was there and I missed him!
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
by Vindicator9000 on Aug 20, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
But at least
I got to meet Fresh Prince last year..
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
by Vindicator9000 on Aug 20, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we'll see the true makeup of this team
after we play what, like 31 games in a row? this scheduling is so freakin weird
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions
damn computers
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
yesterday’s ill-timed off-day could still be the low-water mark of a season that promised a lot and has underdelivered.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
This scares me...
cjbeatty44
Shout out to my lil sister Allyson……She is playing her first year in High School Softball….time to teach her the “DONKEY SWING!!” LOL
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it's like Constant Entertainment
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not gonna go there
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
z
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wtf sbn
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Dark skies overhead
I know the heavy rain won’t hit till late tonight, but perhaps the GOB will look down upon us with favor and spare us one more night of not seeing Pedro.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 20, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
F mlb & thier network
F THEM I SAY!
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Just wondering...
Who are some of the players that the Cardinals could realisticly acquire to make us feel better? Hawpe and Barmes would definately raise some eyebrows…
If we could eliminate like half of the following with upgrades I’d be pleased.
Nick Stavinoha
Pedro Feliz
Randy Winn
Aaron Miles
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
sbn'd
I meant to include
Mike Mcdougal
Blake Hawksworth
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 20, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd keep Hawksworth and get rid of Suppan.
Maybe keep Winn around and get rid of Stav.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
How many times can I possibly say this
Randy Winn does not belong in that group of suck. He is a 5th outfielder and has actually performed pretty well for us considering his role of being the double backup OFer and has sustainable peripherals.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 20, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't complain about him,
but as a fifth outfielder, he is essentially a 25th man. He’s the best of 7 or so 25th men on this team, but nonetheless a 25th man. I don’t think he needs to go anywhere.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
moocow For The Winn!
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually agree with you
He’s not terrible. Not good, but not terrible either. He’s a fine bench guy who can fill in in RF or LF in a pinch. He’s got a little speed so he can pinch run. The Cardinals would be in great shape if he were their worst position player, but sadly he’s not.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's the 25th man and I don't mind him being here.
The problem is that we also have, like, a 26th through 29th guy on the roster somehow.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I imagine most Cardinals would have had someone else in mind for a 5th OF at the end of his career
That resentment only boiled over when the Reds acquired someone who fits that bill from the Brewers.
They've got to announce this roster move pretty soon, one would think.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm waiting for the VEBplosion when Craig gets sent down.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Avalanche of roster moves...
Anderson back to Memphis
Rasmus to the 60 day DL with a stubbed index toe
Craig to the Cubs for Mike Parisi and future considerations
Ryan outrighted to Springfield
Molina to the 15 day DL with generalized exhaustion
Lineup for this evening’s game:
Miles SS
Feliz 3B
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Stavinoha C
Jay CF
Winn RF
Westbrook P
Skip 2B
Fire La Russa!
lol
I’ll just stand over here and watch.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wouldn't Brendan Ryan have to clear waivers?
did I do that right?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is this real life?
The guy with the .243 OBP goes in front of Albert Pujols? The fuck?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh now I see Stav at C
Hoax
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And the notes at the top of your post
I just went straight to the lineup. JD FAIL
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i won't be surprised
if Feliz bats second at some point this season
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
Actually I bet he does bat 2nd tonight...
Rasmus will be back. Craig/Stav will play right, Lopez to second
Lopez
Feliz
Pujols
Holliday
Rasmus
Craig/Stav
Molina
Westbrook
Ryan
Fire La Russa!
La Russa will give us some bs about how...
he wants Feliz to see a lot of fastballs, and no one in the jounalistic community will dare ask the genius manager why he’s putting the worst hitter in baseball in front of the best.
Fire La Russa!
I wouldn't be surprised at all
“Nothing like hitting in front of Albert to get a hitter going” they’ll say.
the sad thing
is that your lineup was so believable
I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards
you son of a bitch
my heart sunk about halfway through that second sentence
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
sorry...
obviously just about any injury and idiotic mgmt decision is believable at this point…
Fire La Russa!
it really is!
i think i’d have a hard time watching this team if colby was out for the season
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
OMG all i saw was Ryan outrighted to Springfield and i lost it
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
wanna sue guay?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
yep. intentional infliction of emotional distress. done and done.
you will be internet served within the hour
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
[law and order dun dun]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm blanking
can they even do that?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the next
SF 3 games
PIT 3 games
WSH 4 games
HOU 3 games
so 13 games in a row then there’s a day off. after that day off, 3 games vs the hated Reds
if we can at least win each of these series I will have regained the faith I think. if we do that we could very well be tied for first when we play the reds… and the only series that would be hard to do that in is this SF series. gotta win tonight to hopefully start something good.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
do we get Strasburg or is he shut down?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's listed as the starter for tomorrow.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that would be something if we somehow missed him in a 4 game series
but we would probably hit him and then get shut out by their softest starter
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
can't we get even a little entertainment?
geez
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
after that it's Milwaukee, Atlanta for 4, Cubs for 3, and then Pads for 3
that’s sixteen games in a row after one off day. then 6 games vs Pittsburgh and 3 more vs Chicago and whatever games we need to make up.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
well we probably lose 4 of 6 to the brew crew and the little bears
but then we will clean up against atlanta and san diego
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds about right
although after getting swept by milwaukee I’m hoping karma will be on our side
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish that i could say the same
I feel like VEB is Job sometimes…
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
it's been pretty negative this season it seems
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it seems to have rubbed off on a lot of people here
you cannot even make a statement without being made to feel inferior or stupid
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
well
I meant as applied to the team and freaking out about stuff… which is pretty understandable. I think that people can always treat each better in general though.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
we have no clubhouse chemistry......
we need a proven veteran to start posting……Wait we tried that today. Fuck.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
all I know is that I'm ready to see Tony go
I’m very glad he’s been our manager for so many good years, but I think he’s run his course.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about VEB.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
haha
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I want out of work
must escape… going to get new rims on my bike and a nice little 24" hdtv tonight. wooo!
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I bought a new drill last night after the Feliz announcement,
it made me feel better.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
describe it
someone might be in the market.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i have one like that.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I got a hooker.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I hope it wasn't a Tranny.....
not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
$12 doesn't go as far as it used to.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
So I went to a $12 hooker
She gave me the crabs. I said, “I paid you $12 and all you gave me was the crabs!” and she said, “For $12, what do you expect, lobster?”
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
effin lobsters.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Clubhouse Cancer ----->
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I thought it was clubhouse chancre.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Are you saying that lboros is washed up???
I heard a rumor that he’s older than he says he is. Also apparently he fell asleep in the dugout.
I am totally kidding, please do not ban me.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
What the Cardinals need...
is a Brandon Philips look a like. Dress him up in a Reds Uni and have him run by the dugout before every game and call everyone Lil Bitches.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
as usual i'm a day late & a dollar short
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Just the Florida game I believe.....
Last I heard it was on the 20th.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I wonder if they'll actually hard scheduele it in
or wait until the end of the season and only play it if need be.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I've just heard rumors on either the 20th,
or the day after the season ends if necessary. Most noise has been leaning towards the 20th, though.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the schedule is definately favorible the next couple weeks
But then it gets tough again. 3.5 games is quite a bit to make up considering we only have one series vs. Cincy left the rest of the way. With the way they have been playing, I’m not sure if just winning each of those series will be enough. The team has had a really hard time putting together winning streaks.
Up until that 9 game winning streak right after the ASB, they hadn’t won more than 3 in a row since April. And, even with that winning streak we didn’t even end up gaining much in the standings. I feel like we need to probably win 8 or 9 of those 10 games against PIT, WSH, HOU and then win the series against the Reds to really have a shot at winning the division. The Reds just aren’t losing games, they have been beating all the teams they are suppose to beat, and winning convincingly. After they finish up their west coast trip their schedule is pretty soft the rest of the way. So, like I said, we need to really take advantage of this next road trip and take care of business against these crap teams. We need to get hot and string together wins like we did August last year when we ran through the easy schedule.
by mick311 on Aug 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Reds
are doing with August 2010 what the Cardinals did with August 2009. The Cardinals in August 2010 are doing what the 2009 Cubs did in August last year.
Cincinnati is 12-4 in August. St. Louis is 7-7.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
thats exactly what i was just thinking
This is exactly when we pulled away last year. By beating up on a bunch of crap teams and a soft schedule. A few months ago when I was looking art the schedule I kept thinking this was when we would put away. Our august was looking so easy and the Reds had to go out west where they usually fail to win. Hopefully we can make the most of these next few series and then at least be in position to take back the divison in the series against cincy.
by mick311 on Aug 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
3.5 games is by no means insurmountable right now
I mean, it’s not a GOOD position to be in, but I will refrain from freaking out for now.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
From a Cubs board on Tuesday, August 11, 2009
C’mon, guys, three games is not insurmountable. We get the offense back from the guys who haven’t been hitting, and we’re in the playoffs.*
*not an actual post. But it could very well have been.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides!
Eric Karros says the Cardinals aren’t this good and the Cubs aren’t this bad! Also, check out the loss column, that’s games we have in the hand!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So aside from the sweep, Cincy is 12-1 and St. Louis is 4-7?
Gross
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
we really botched that one
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
so looking at our pattern of kicking good teams asses and losing to pathetic ones...
3 game sweep of San Fran followed by losing 7 out of 10…
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
The more money
we save by dumpster diving to put towards Alberts new contract, the more likely he is to vomit and want away.
Ironic huh.
I dunno
until I see something contrary, I will assume he wants to stay here. everything he says seems to be that he will stay in StL
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
the prancing unicorns beg to differ
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not gonna say Albert is ready to leave
but you have to think that if we wants the team to prove that they are dedicated to winning, these last several rosters moves can’t really have him dancing with joy about their proveyness.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
You are assuming that Albert. . .
is a good baseball analyst.
That seems to be a pretty big assumption, given much of the drivel that we hear from former players cum broadcasters.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he actually is.
have you heard him?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah, Albert always impresses me when I hear him speak.
He’s a smart guy. I think he’d make a very good TV guy but he might be too big to want to do something like that. Joe Morgan is the only guy I can think of who was close to Albert’s awesomeness and does commentary.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
too bad the awesomeness didn't even remotely carry over
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh.
Though, I’ve said it before and I still feel this way, though it shames me—Morgan has really grown on me. I don’t hate listening to him like I hate Dan and Al. It seems like he surprises me with these little nuggets of insight every once in a while. And I actually like Miller and Hershiser. But then Morgan says something that isn’t true at all and it dashes my hopes.
I think he recently said that Beltran was a better hitter from side X, when in fact his career stats said it was side Y, or something like that. I’m thinking, it took me about a minute to look this up on B-Ref, how hard can it be to know this stuff when you do it for a living?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I don't think that he cares
the guy had Jon Miller kiss his damn ring on live television
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I can mark that for a glossary.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ya but the team is saying every big contract & trade from the last few years should be
proof enough for him to see they want him & they want to put a winning team around him
i’m not saying i agree with that, i’m just repeating what the team has said
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
LeBron looked like he wanted to stay in Cleveland too.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
So the Rams Fan Confidence Poll rating is higher than the Cardinals.
That about says it all.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
he's a blog cancer
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hes the gift that keeps on giving
wait…
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had never found this blog, I would probably really like the guy
In some ways, ignorance really is bliss.
to Mini Me supports here, i say don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
last.fm is pissing me off
I’m playing my radio station, which plays songs that are in your library. but apparently the shuffle function sucks… it is playing mostly songs I’ve heard recently on there (for some reason it is favoring certain songs) and then the other ones it’s playing are ones that I don’t want to hear right now. it’s weird because I have tons of songs in my library and it’s not playing any of the ones I want to hear. blargh, it just started playing another it always plays!!
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions
The only thing I can get through
the firewall at work is Jango. I’m not a big fan, but it’s better than nothing.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I really need to just drop some $ on an mp3 player with a huge hard drive
oh cool, Kyuss just came on, that makes me happy for now
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The game's in four hours.....
why have they not announced the roster move?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
They traded Pujols.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Maybe Feliz is reporting to Memphis?
He’s not listed on the mothership’s active roster
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's on the 40...
they haven’t made the corresponding 25 man move yet.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oooooh!
intrigue…
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's gonna be Craig....you watch.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it better be a Stavino DFA to make up for Feliz Navidad
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No DFA...back to Memphis with him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
In a shocking move after reading VEB for the first time...
Mo DFA’s Miles, Stav, Winn, and newly aquired Feliz… Calls up Greene to start at 3rd.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
is it possible Feliz failed his physical and the trade is a no go?
by mick311 on Aug 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you are my new hero
you found a bright-side.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Can't return him.
“He doesn’t have a bat!”
“Sorry, the offer said ‘Bat Not Included.’”
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
BJRains
No word on who was sent down…only saw the lineup, and Craig is in it, so its not him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Very good news.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
concocting a suitable injury?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe they took him out back
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Carpenter's Guide to Roster Management
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Tony gives Carp the look
Carp drags Player X out behind the bleachers and beats him like a Red Headed Stepchild
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
with luggage.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have to lay off the face though
Don’t want a backwards “Samsonite” imprint on his forehead to give it away.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Samsonite!?! I was way off!!!
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world???
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
that is actually my ringtone :)
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The most annoying sound in the world
is still Harry Caray bleating “Cubs win, Cubs win.”
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
why do they always gotta be red headed?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
lineup
Cards lineup: Lopez 4, Craig 9, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, Feliz 5, Molina 2, Jay 8, Westbrook 1, Ryan 6
Must be Stav down.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I didn't realize that...just posted it......What the fuck?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
how can La Russa look at his numbers and honestly think "damn, that's my 5th hitter right here"
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
I have to believe that its a statement to Mo
I mean… it has to be… Mo goes on the Radio and says that Feliz was not brought in for his offense… TLR uses him to protect Holliday
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo said he brought in for offense?
sweet lord, no! i do not want the people running my favorite team to be that dumb
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
???
Mo goes on the Radio and says that Feliz was not brought in for his offense
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
NOT brought in for his offense
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
damnit wtf! Raz himself said he would be back by Friday.
God I’m going to the game again tonight. My third game in the past week, I really don’t know if I can take another night of shitty offense and an awful lineup full of automatic outs. What are they thinking with Feliz 5th?
As if facing a rookie left hander wasn’t bad enough…fuck!
by mick311 on Aug 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no he didn't
he said he was out until at least friday.
Pedro can hit lefties! .260 / .307 /.437 / .744 (if you compare it to his numbers against righties)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
which is why he'll make a great #5 hitter, I'm sure.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
is it bad that i laughed out loud when I read the lineup?
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
shrug
I guess. I mean, we’ve had Stavinoha there, that didn’t work, we’ve had craig there for the last few days and that didn’t work. Only people who have hit there have been Rasmus and ludwick. Neither which are available.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
why not roll the dice and put jay there
or let jay leadoff and bat flip there
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
cause it's vs a Lefty? that's my guess
hopefully Feliz doesn’t see the 5 spot vs RHP
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
actually...
Craig might be in the 2 hole to try and get him going.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
TWSS
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i've done that a lot this year
hey remember that stretch vs the reds and cubs where we used the same lineup 4 or 5 straight games?
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
And I've read elsewhere that the revised expectation was "late weekend"
From Colby and others. At least I think I read that. So I’m not sweatin’ it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Impact bat!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised
he didn’t bat him #2. And no, I’m not joking. He used to love have low OBP guys bat #2. But 5 is good too in Tony’s world.
I second that WTF!!
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
he's only hitting .385 against lefties
got to play the match up.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
fifth
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Aug 20, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's gonna take atleast that
to get through the game tonight.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 20, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Feliz 5th is ridiculous, but at least Jay in the 7 spot gives us somewhat
Of a decent bat in the bottom of the order.
Shit didn’t even realize it was a lefty tonight, chances are Rasmus is fine and Tony just won’t play him
by mick311 on Aug 20, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not so sure how fine rasmus is
he said he hurt it scoring from second at some point during a recent series. But also stated that he originally thought it was from taking a foul ball during the marlins series. (the game before we got rained out i believe, which btw, he was not in the line up for the rain out game and people here went off about Tony hurting his development.)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
it doesn't make any sense to bring him back vs a Lefty either, especially if the injury is still bugging him even a little bit
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
I still don't know what they see in Stav
just DFA him and be done with it
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You're worrying me that
Rasmus is out for the year. Not that I’m paranoid. Has he been within 10 miles of Freese?
roffle
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This lineup proves that the arguments of our roster moves not being so bad are baselsss.
If you give a monkey a gun and the monkey shoots you, don’t blame the monkey because you are the one who gave it a gun. If you give TLR a roster full of 25th men, don’t blame the 25th men when the get playing time, blame the folks who put them on the roster: Mo and TLR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 20, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hooray!
I got another one!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Mo and TLR should be fired.
And I am still going to slam Miles, Feliz, and Winn for not retiring and taking the gun out of the monkey’s hand.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hey
As long as someone is sharing the blame with Mo instead of just passing it all onto tony I don’t care who you slam.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
This season has led me to completely reassess how I feel about Mo.
Our roster management this season has been horrendous. In fact, I have a Fanpost in the works. I may not get it up until Sunday or Monday, though. Of course, I don’t know how good it is, so I may just scrap it all together.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
remember
never fan post in anger. :D
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
That's why it didn't go up last night.
I watched Community, 30 Rock, The Office, and Parks & Rec instead. It made me feel better about the whole Feliz trade.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
MO's turned into my worst GM nightmare, he's taken all the bad he learned from Walt& run with it
while carrying scissors in one hand & a block of C4 in the other
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 21, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
these kind of comments
are why you are my brother, brother!
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
by mattyfrommo on Aug 21, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the hell is Craig in the 2 hole and Jay in the 7?
Shouldn’t Jay be leading off or hitting 2nd? And why is Feliz still allowed to play professional baseball?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
lefty pitcher.....
I have no answer for your second question.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Craig is in the 2 hole
To get him going. Jay is batting 7th for the lefty I guess. (even though he’s hit lefties since being up in SSS.)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
maybe because jay
struck out something like 6 of his last 10 plate appearances?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
the only stroke of brilliance
in that lineup is putting Feliz in front of Molina. Less chance for Yadi to GIDP
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
or tony is arguing with Mo over Stav or Miles....
What about Greene? Now that we got Feliz, is Greene out of the picture? I hope not, but that would almost surely mean Miles would have to go and I don’t see Tony letting that happen. I assume we will see him when rosters expand, and hopefully he can get enough of a shot at playing time to stay on the team over Miles or Feliz. I know we have all said it over and over but there is no way Feliz is a better option than Greene. SSS but he is hitting better than any other IF (not AP) on the team.
by mick311 on Aug 20, 2010 4:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Stav sent out.
Stavinoha was optioned to Class AAA Memphis to make room for Feliz, who will start at third tonight. #stlcards
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Get rid of the crap to bring in the shit
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
But, but.....
No way Mo, and especially Tony, don’t send down Craig.
Not a word when management actually makes the move that this blog full of future HOF managers agrees with, but make a move they don’t agree with? Lord help us.
I'm still curious about
And if it makes you feel better…..Way to go Mo for sending down Stav and not Craig.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
why do they keep sending Salas up and down?
it seems he has warranted a stay in the big leagues, no?
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
wasn't it stav they sent out?
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
it was...
Salas was sent out a while ago.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
and then he'll probably be back up in Sept if not sooner
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
Yes, Salas was sent down a while ago.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it seems obvious but Mo and Tony just dont make logical decisions
They perfer McDougal. You know, because he’s got grit and experience.
by mick311 on Aug 20, 2010 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and he's super skinny which has to count for something
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
because they have more dept with him on the rosters and Salas down
then they have with him up and McDougal unemployed. McDougal is only getting garbage innings for the most part.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i'm depressed.
i hate when you spend a lot of time and effort doing a project for someone and they never say thank you, they just point out the one typo you made and go one their way. and i also hate it when Tony La Russa.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Aug 20, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
No need to finish your thought.
Merely trailing off when you write “i also hate it when Tony LaRussa …” works in every situation.
Hell, I’m sure tonight there will be a chance to use it.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd for the last sentence.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
You haters don't seem to realize...
Feliz is hitting 270/304/419 vs. lefties.
Used properly, he can be a threat.
Fire La Russa!
Your definition of "threat" is different than mine.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i consider him being a threat to the Cardinals chances of scoring runs.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Aug 20, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
although, all unintentional hilarity aside
That line along with Feliz’s presumably + defense makes him a pretty valuable player. I don’t mind if he starts once and awhile against lefties (until Greene gets called back up that is).
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at his stats
I am thinking, if he just had a decent walk rate he’d have a really good career.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
so Inge is officially on waivers now....
I guess since we already gave up a prospect to get Feliz, there is no way we go after another third baseman?
by mick311 on Aug 20, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we do need a gritty back up catcher
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Feliz does that too!
He’s like a Swiss Army knife!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Fucking A
i totally forgot about that
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
A dull Swiss Army Knife that is rusted shut and can't be opened even after being doused in WD-40.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
LaRussa
would bat that dull Swiss Army Knife fifth in his lineup. Not Feliz, no, the real knife.
The Giants would stare at the field with a WTF? look, until the umpire would take off his mask, look at LaRussa, and say, “Look, you can’t send up a rusty Swiss Army Knife to hit.” And LaRussa would shout back, “Who are you to question The Smartest Man in the Room™? Besides, that rusted knife has GRIT!”
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That we found at an old camp ground
and someone clearly just tossed it because it wasn’t useful anymore
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
we didn't give up a real prospect
not that Carpenter isn’t a real prospect, but the he was far from irreplaceable. I’d much rather see mo trade away another prospect, DFA Pedro, and just pretend the deal was 2 prospects for Inge.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
well if Lopez is now back in his proper super-sub role
then a certain someone becomes even more useless so we could free up a roster spot by parting with that certain someone…..
then Feliz could be a starter vs LHP and defensive replacement or something. but yeah, probably won’t be going after Inge
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
gaaaaah-rrrreat
BJRains: The first swing as a Cardinal by Pedro Feliz was a four-hopper to second base. less than a minute ago via web
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
Albert's like, you gotta give me some more clay to work with
BJRains Pedro Feliz is on the field with Albert Pujols for some extra batting practice….Feliz talking to Oquendo now while Pujols hits. 5 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm really confused. The game isn't until 7:15, so was this in BP?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
chances McGwire quits?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i think he could bat 5th
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
And then Albert could move to 3B to make room on the field...
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
i bet a billion internet dollars mcgwire is better than pedro feliz at hitting baseballs
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i bet a billion real dollars he is
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Now, a four-hopper to second base
sounds just like something Aaron Miles would do. So, there you go, moar GRIT.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Signs of the future:
BJRains
The first swing as a Cardinal by Pedro Feliz was a four-hopper to second base.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Ate these yesterday:
I’m not happy with him right now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No......he may be getting cut though....
I haven’t wanted to, but he needs to calm down.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Red rocket!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
that doesn't always calm them down
especially after he’s older and the behavior has settled in
spare his jewelz
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
He's only 1,
but ya…he’s got such good lines I may want to stud him out in the future.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
my LT likes to eat DVD boxes
Arnold Schwarzenegger movies only mind you
he’s got his jewels
Major eats everything – no jewels
it makes little difference
spare him the pain
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
The little SOB waits until I take a shower in the morning, then tries to hide.
It would be quite humorous, if it didn’t just cost me $100. My own fault though, I know better than to leave anything within his reach.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Native Hardtops.
Sweet polarized lens for sishing, and they fit me super sweet……Second pair my dog’s ate in the last 3 months. I love him, but I want to bury him at the same time.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
^sishing = fishing.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
why the F are you people still following bj?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
you mean Mo right?
Because every time that Craig and Stavinoha have been on the roster TLR has started Craig over Dr. Thunder. When Ludwick was traded Craig was brought up, not Stavinoha.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Feliz
It means happy…doesn’t it? Stav is no longer on the 25 man, so that makes many of us happy. It means Carp won’t have to kill Flip or Miles when ground balls keep rolling through the left side. Sure…this is not what we wanted, but other than Edwin Encarnacion, whose glove is made of teflon and has the personality of a hand grenade dipped in AIDS, who out there was better? No, he can’t hit, but he can pick it. If Inge would have gone on waivers earlier, and we will see if he actually makes it through, that may have been an option. However, I am willing to give Feliz (happiness) a chance. This is allergic to walks and does swing and miss frequently, but he does it with machismo. He also gets a decent amount of RBI’s for someone who doesn’t hit well. Happy, happy, happy…everybody happy!!!
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
by Elvis on Aug 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
d-dee
Oliver Stone would have been proud of your work on the frame by frame analysis of the “brawl” in Cincy. I particularly like how you followed how Cueto circled around the back in an attempt to get in some cheap shots before being pushed up against the wall by his teammates…you know…’cause he was “frightened”.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
Seconded
I saw that on the replays, but the stop-action really shows it well. No one should doubt his (Cueto’s) culpability in this.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 20, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a guy out for the year, and miss one start as a penalty.
Thanks, Major League Baseball!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I have a bad feeling it won't be for just for the year.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm serious
the rumblings from the media have turned more negative. and that was some serious whiplash on that video.
(it would, peripherally, offer an explanation for Carp’s bad start back here. maybe he knew. there was that unconfirmed anecdote a while back that before one of his bad starts, he was ticketed for speeding. it’s like if anything shakes him out of his mental state, he has trouble recovering.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
remember tlr saying he was so mad at edwin jackson
for hitting him that he had trouble breathing
he’s so intense and that is so awesome but it scares the crap out of me at the same time
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
indeed
I’m mostly concerned that he just can’t regain his composure (consistently anyway), or at least channel it into something positive. it really is like Incredible Hulk.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's why you hire me for attitude coach
i’ll straighten him up real quick
kill kill kill
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
we've tried other coaches for other players
mixed results
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This
“has the personality of a hand grenade dipped in AIDS” is golden.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
moar
- Dennys Reyes is throwing a bullpen session and the trainer is out there watching him. 5 minutes ago via web
- Assistant trainer Greg Hauck watching Reyes’ bullpen session. Will have to check and see whats up in a bit. 4 minutes ago via web
- Looks like Feliz is working on his opposite field stroke…lots of balls to the right side. 3 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/BJRains
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So Feliz is just going to be working on moving the runner over?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
makes sense
IBB to Pujols and Holliday to pitch to Feliz. Then he can move them over so Yadi doesn’t GIDP.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
We already had one of those remember
“Miles is a very accomplished bunter”
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
I have lots of balls to the right side, too.
Then I shift and they’re on the left.
This is pretty much a “Pedro Feliz” to the current discussion.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 20, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a sinking feeling that this portends a Randy Flores sighting at the airport
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just deception. Real "fog of war" stuff.
They’ll make it look like he wants to hit to the opposite side. Then the Giants will pitch inside to him, and BOOM, first pitch he’ll pull a homer to the foul pole.
Then everyone will post “FELIZ NAVIDONGGGGG!!!!!1” and it will be hilarious for a minute.
Then we’ll all start to wonder if he just solidified his place on the roster and it will get weird.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
is this porn?
….wait.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there was no mention of any stews so i'm guessing no
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
i followed you there
feliz navidong sounds like a wonderful christmas or something
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
Ankiel smacks Marmol and the Cubs
Marmol walks the bases loaded in the top of the ninth, Ankiel clears them with a triple. (Marmol also struck out the side around the three walks and the triple.)
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
heh
I had already forgotten that Ankiel was on the Braves now
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Braves announcer makes really stupid Cardinal reference
“former redbird clears the nest” or something along those lines
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
also throw someone out
trying to turn a ball into the gap into a double
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Can we sign this guy to play 3rd??
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
plate discipline ftw
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Freese fired from charity gig?
MLBSTLCardinals Gloves for Kids: 2morrow @ Dick’s in Chesterfield- Westbrook & Garcia(9-11am), Rasmus & Ryan(11-1pm) will sign for a $30 donat. per session. 20 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
BJRains
Mark DeRosa talking to several Cardinals right now during batting practice. Schumaker, Ryan, Holliday, Miles, La Russa among the group. 5 minutes ago via web
probably asking not to get hbp’d twice in a game again
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
DeRosa " So the Giants are thinking of putting me through wavers, you interested?"
LaRusa " I think we have a few more prospects that are just taking up space.. You wanna hit 5th?"
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
they really miss him.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I mean, Miles knew him via the cubs, didn't he?
geez, he really is the man stew.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i dont think so
miles was supposed to be his replacement in chicago
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
so Miles just likes the guy?
protecting his charges from the wiles of the charming Of the Rose??
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's how good of a clubhouse guy Saint DeRosa is.
Even players who never played with him consider him a close, personal friend.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 20, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
more likely miles is there
because ‘Ton’ (tony without the y) is there.
Come to think of it that literally is THE ONLY reason he’s there.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'd take a shot on him if the Giants covered the salary.
I mean, what the hell, right?
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
he'd be even more of a mascot than Miles
does the man have a wrist yet?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they can rebuild him, they have the technology
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
rain delay?
michaelbleach
Tarp is covering the field here at Busch Stadium #stlcards 3 minutes ago via web
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
You must be looking
at a different radar than me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yes
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lsx&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no
Shows nothing there for some reason
Its been almost raining all day.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
so is your radar bigger?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
come on GOBs!
i’ve had a bad day and an even worse week in the same week i quit drinking and all i want is to watching some freaking baseball. is that too much to ask?!?!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Quit drinking?
what madness is this?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh....voka and soda then
is my recommendation.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Thats my 5 o'clock drink and I'm not fat.
Wait, yes I am.
And hey! It’s past 5! Where’s my drink, me?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
um....
just go straight vodka and not worry about the soda.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i had pear grey goose last weekend and i think i could drink that on the rocks
mmmmm
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
that is all i ever drink!
i just drink quite a bit of it.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i mean its the best thing to drink but a shot of vodka is still 90 calories
so we’re talking about an extra 300-400 calories every night. not to mention the toll its taking on my health in general. of course, not drinking is taking a toll on my personality, so…
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Sooooooo what's the best way to get out of a speeding ticket?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Highway? I was going 80 in a 70, as I always do
Cop pulls me over, says that he had be going 83 the first time he checked, and then 86 the second time he checked
Writes me a ticket
On the ticket, there’s a section for how he checked my speed… Options included “Radar,” “Watch,” and “Other.” He checked “Other,” which I thought was odd…
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That usually means he was pacing you.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
There was also an option for "Pacing"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That's weird.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah, the options under "Detection Method" are:
Stationary Radar
Moving Radar
Watch (Air)
Watch (Ground)
Pace
Other
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
He took a guess?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
one time i was going west on 44 and a cop was pacing me
but traffic stopped in front of me and i had to hit the brakes abruptly
the cop was looking at his speedometer instead of me when i broke
by far the most awkward rear ending ever
and that fucker still gave me a speeding ticket
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 20, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he give himself a "failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident'?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 20, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
so how was exchanging insurance like?
that is an aweful story…
at night on I270 next car was probably 10 seconds behind me and out of nowhere a creve coeur po pulls right out in front of me so he could get back on the highway from the shoulder…i saw him perpendicular to the road at the last second…only had his regular lights on…
i was going the same place he was, got off at the same exit…he didnt even have an emergency..he ended up pulling a u turn in some parkking lot…im glad we didnt collide
by guillermozeliak on Aug 21, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
well that's one way
i was wondering if it was a photo radar ticket. i have extensive knowledge of how to get out of those.
i suggest you challenge in court. demand evidence that you were going 83 and 86. the cop probably won’t even show up.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
BUT if you have the option of going to driving school and getting it expunged from your record, i would go that route
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Well I'm leaving Missouri in two days, so both of those are probably tough to pull off, yeah?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
In that case
Hire a lawyer (I’ve got a good one if you’re in STL) and just have it reduced to a non-moving violation. It’ll cost about the same as just paying the ticket, but it’ll keep points off your license.
or better yet just don't pay it
and don’t ever return to missouri
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
You're the worst lawyer ever
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
or the best! my advice gets you out of having to pay your ticket, which is all you asked for
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
and, he never has to go back to Rolla,
so that’s a plus too.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ahh, the Rolla memories
That jack-ass cop in Burbon on 44 is the reason I bought my first radar detector.
honestly, i would challenge it if you have the funds to fly back to MO for the hearing.
it sounds like a bogus ticket.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I don't. It looks like I'm just going to have to pay for the ticket
Blergh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Show some cleavage?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How do you do this in a non-obvious way?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i had an ex try and fail too
it was doubly bad because not only did she get a ticket, but she was pissed that her goodies didn’t get her out of it
i thought it was funny as hell
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 20, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
funny because the one time i ever got a speeding ticket...i was on my way....to a CARDINALS game...IN SEATTLE!
this, ladies and gentlemen, is the epitome of “full circle”
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
phone girl got out of a DUI by flirting & showing some skin
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
you realized that was just a short haircut on a ladycop?
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
If anyone knows a good way to get out of a $125 (!) ticket for rolling through a stop sign
I would appreciate that info as well
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The stop sign was moving too, occifer
I was just making sure to stay behind it, I swear
you're not fat
and if anyone calls you that let me know & i’ll take care of them
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
scheduling stuff
- BJRains Jaime Garcia starting Sunday. Kyle Lohse will go Monday in Pittsburgh. 12 minutes ago via web
- BJRains Cardinals-Braves moved to ESPN Sunday Night Baseball on Sept 12. 37 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
just like our season. a big tease.
BJRains Looks like the Clydesdales are here tonight….but the handlers are meeting in RF to determine if the warning track is too wet. 8 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
busting out the clydesdales
for pedro feliz
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
So.
I’ve been…out of town for a few days.
PEDRO FELIZ WHAT THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE THINKING SUB REPLACEMENT LEVEL MAKING AARON MILES LOOK GOOD WHAT THE FUCK OH MY GOD PLEASE NO GOD NO TELL ME THEY’RE JOKING WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK.
I hear we obtained a new third basemen, eh? Huh.
Hey that was my reaction too
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I've calmed down a little bit now.
But this still baffles me. I mean….he’s incredibly horrible. Defense was his only calling card, and he’s aged to the point where even that isn’t a huge selling point.
Better than Lopez defensively? Eh, probably a little.
Better enough to offset the ‘oh god, did he just swing at that slider in the dirt six feet outside?’ aspect of his hitting?
No.
God, whyyyyyyyy?
Yeah, that.
and nothing ever tastes as good when it comes back up.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 20, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip says it's not the chemistry. he loves the chemistry.
so there you go.
however, Skip also has no idea why they suck.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's Carpenter.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's mostly there to smile and loom.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or he just likes to toy with cats.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Albert hanging out with Sandoval, Guillen, and... this other guy, I can't see his uni.
empires may rise and fall, but Albert will always have tea time with his pals.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't know, but they're showing lots of drunk driving PSAs
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Horton and Al.
why does life suck
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
was Dan in the booth on Tuesday and Wednesday
because he was busted on Monday night, right?
(I was in the stands for the Wednesday suckfest. Can’t remember Tuesday’s broadcast.)
I don't know what you guys are complaining about
Al Hrabosky just said Feliz has playoff experience. Playoff experience people!
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
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But...
does he have experience in getting teams to the playoffs? That’s kind of our concern at the moment.
He's a veteran.
I mean really, what else can you possibly want?
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
proveyness!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nah, his ideal ops+ for the rest of the season
think of it like one of those progress thermometers!
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
We are all Pedro Feliz.
Exiled from MCC by a banhammerhappy harpie and doing my best not to look back.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 20, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
Well you all just got proven wrong
lulz
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
This team is flushing their season down the toilet
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
Unreal.... This really is 2003 all over again...
I don’t know what we’re missing, but something isn’t there.
At least we have an epic Reds playoff meltdown to look forward to, eh?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 21, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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