Cardinals acquire Pedro Feliz to "upgrade" "third base" "situation", scare quote supplies dangerously low
by DanUpBaby on Aug 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
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PrintSo the Cardinals agreed with me: the available third basemen on waivers who I mentioned this morning all suck! Unfortunately, I failed to mention Pedro Feliz, who has a .243 on-base percentage and is now the newest member of the St. Louis Cardinals 25th Mansquad. He was acquired today from the Astros, whom he has apparently cost something like two wins against what, say, Jarrett Hoffpauir would do, in exchange for David Carpenter, number three reliever on the Cardinals' Converted Catcher Power Rankings and the Cardinals' Players Named Carpenter Power Rankings.
The good news: We're probably overreacting about Feliz's defensive collapse. Over the last few years UZR has credited him with 15, 22, 9, and 10 runs on defense; that he's been worth -2.8 this year, part of which is a flukily high error total, could well be noise. Albert Pujols and Colby Rasmus also have negative UZRs this year; it's just not a stat that scales down well to full seasons, let alone partial seasons.
The bad news: We're probably overreacting about Feliz's defensive collapse because his offense is so bad. Feliz has always been a poor offensive player—117 runs below average, according to Baseball-Reference—but his season with the Astros has been excruciating. The power's gone, the batting average is even lower, and he's walking even less; as a result he has a .555 OPS.
He's 35 years old, so the odds that this is The End are a little higher than usual, but considering his durability and consistency from 2005 to 2009 there's a reasonable chance he gets better from today forward. The problem is the Cardinals already had plenty of guys who could do that who haven't led the league in wins below replacement player to date in 2010.
This is a bad risk for no considerable reward, and a waste of another roster spot in a season that's been marked by both poor bench management and frequent bench utilization. The Cardinals should either have done better or done nothing at all.
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so...
can I get a refund on my sep 4th game tickets?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I realize Mo is supposed to be in charge
but doesn’t this move scream TLR?
cant go young for the stretch run. Nope, what we need is another god-awful old guy, much more reliable and such. yes, reliably TERRIBLE w the bat. I don’t think it’s possible to be good enough defensively to make up for how terrible Feliz is with the bat
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
No, TLR wants more offense.
I don’t think he is in favor of this move at all. Pete Happy may be old and decrepit but he has never hit.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
He posted a couple 20+ HR seasons.
He was never spectacular, but saying he “never” hit is a little disingenuous.
Not that I want him now, mind you. I’d rather just hand the position over to Greene and hope for the best.
hi career year was league average
in 11 seasons, he has put up and OBP over .300 three times. his career high is .308
he’s a terrible hitter and he has never hit
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
We keep blaming on these moves on TLR
like he called up the Astros to see if Feliz was available.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
TLR can push for the trade without making the phone call
if this is entirely Mo’s doing I’d be shocked and even more appalled since we’re stuck with him for 3 more years. I’d rather it be a TLR driven move since I think there’s a good chance he’s going to walk after this year
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
have you been paying attention to the moves Mo has made all year long?
I seriously doubt TLR did much more than say Mo, I need a third baseman. And Feliz is what Mo went out and got.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Mo already had a third baseman in AAA. Tyler Greene
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
by spfldbird on Aug 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well why didn't Mo do his job and promote him then?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
that's a great question
Perhaps he got input from someone else in the organization that threatened to throw a hissy fit if he did.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
this is just silly
Mo made the move. Mo. The guy who once traded away Tony’s god son behind his back. This is a move that Mo made.
We blame Tony for Stavinoha being on the roster instead of Craig. And yet when both of them were on the roster Craig got almost all the playing time. When Miles and Greene were on the roster. Greene got most of the playing time until he got hurt.
On a side note, I wouldn’t want Greene playing for the Cardinals if I were manager and he pulled that stunt either.
Stop blaming TLR for tony moves. We don’t blame Mo when tony Double switches Rasmus out for Winn.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Aug 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
greene
what was this stunt that greene pulled? sorry if i missed somethin earlier
by guillermozeliak on Aug 19, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Greene was going to be demoted, calls his agent...
and presto-changeo, he’s put on the DL instead.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
So what's this put Mo as? DeWitt's puppet?
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
no tg does smack of tlr
hopefully tis is a competition between happy dude and greene to see who is on the roster come 31 august
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
my cardinal hopes are often dashed
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
he has returned from DL and is playing in Memphis.
He may need a few games but he could have been here soon.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
seems that way
Didn’t look like he could get Inge I guess.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Well he was aiming for Inge
But F was so close to I. What a shame. If only he was better at darts.
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
nope i've paid no attention to any of the moves
i definitely didn’t pay any attention to TLR’s mancrush on Miles in the past. Yup, he had nothing to do with that move.
I also totally ignored TLR and/or Duncan saying that Suppan looked like they could improve him after watching him pitch. But that was all Mo’s doing right?
I also didn’t pay attention to TLR saying they needed pitching before Ludwick was traded for Westbrook. He also, I’m sure, never uttered a word to Mo about that one.
and over the years I completely disregarded his interest in “protection” for Albert, particularly in the form of Matt Holliday. Of course that was entirely and utterly in Mo’s hands. No input from TLR.
Oddly, it turns out that Tony La Russa is a very hands-on off manager when it comes to roster construction. Huh, who would’ve thought it of such a control freak (see, post-game interviews)
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
apparently not
Suppan was a good move. By the way, before that move that tried Walters, Hawksworth, and ottovina. All of which failed.
I’ll give you Miles. But also point out that while Miles are green were on the roster Greene got most of the playing time until he was hurt.
Tony wanted more pitching. But it’s not like Tony said, hey Mo, trade Ludwick away for more pitching.
It’s no secert that Tony has some imput. As all managers should. But just because he gives imput doesn’t mean we get to blame Tony for all the moves we don’t like. And then give Mo credit for all the moves we do like.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i agree with your last point
My point is this move seems like one that fits TLR’s m.o. I think TLR and Mo work together, that’s fairly obvious. But I highly doubt Mo moves Ludwick without running it by TLR first. Several of the moves TLR has lobbied for have happened over the past few years. Perhaps this is true of any manager/GM tandem but with TLR’s pedigree he seems to hold more sway than many managers. The bottom line is, the way this roster is constructed reflects poorly on both of them.
Suppan was a desperation move in response to a litany of injuries. He was better than I expected but hardly “good.”
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
Would anyone have such a problem with these moves
if all we gave up was pro-rated league minimums? I know that’s my frustration.
Yes
Quite frankly, if Pedro Feliz was playing for free and did not cost a prospect, I would not want him on the team. He makes it less likely to team will win.
Im just glad we have a real third baseman on the team
Not saying Feliz is what i had in mind. But watching Floppy’s over-weight and out of shape ass come up short to both his sides and then throw dirt balls to first was maddening. Now Lopez he can just spell people at all positions and the opportunity arises to cut the weakest link.
I'd go with awkwardly pudgy
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I would go with
not overweight
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He is out of shape
Coincides nicely with the decline from 44 steals to 6 with 6 CS and his dip in defensive ability.
You honestly think Floppy is out of shape?
You are wrong.
What does Felipe Lopez do during the off season? Jen says: "Felipe has a big huge sledgehammer and a big monster truck tire in the garage. And he goes out and swings, and swings and swings all day long.
Dude’s actually a beast.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yep
it’s called muscle mass, not pudge
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You are just making shit up
He has 7 SB/2CS number one, he’s 30 years old not 26, the Cardinals aren’t big into attempting to steal bases (see Rasmus with his speed attempting 15 steals), he has a knee injury and just……isn’t fat. His defense has suffered because he’s playing 3B and isn’t really a 3B.
Not afraid to nitpick
This has been happening a lot around here lately.
Hyperbole for the win.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
His 6 steal 6 caught was last year
the year before that it was 8 and caught 8 times. You’re right im not privy to his % body fat or other important things. He has visibly gained mass over the past 3-4 years, he has bad knees, and he has slowed down on the field while hitting for less power, defense ill give him a break on. It just leads me to reason he should be losing weight not gaining.
Yeah he was clearly out of shape last year
He only hit .310 .383 .427.
Just stop.
Not afraid to nitpick
If Felipe Lopez is out of shape,
Pedro Feliz is a mummified corpse.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Miles isn't THAT bad...
…his OPS is .704; League average in the NL this year is .727. Not good, but not horrible, say, like Feliz’s .555.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Isn't it sad....
that the player we just acquired to upgrade our 3b situation actually makes Miles look good?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Besides, Grit has mascot value AND Grit Metrics...
I dunno that Happy Pete has much goin’ for him
:=8/
We need an 80’s montage with Journey playing in the background showing Mac working desperately with Feliz to get his OPS up to .700…
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
.600
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Aug 19, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually put the Westbrook for Ludwick trade in the win column for Mo/TLR so far...
The Holliday trade was also a win so far.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i definitely think Holliday was a win
and for Westbrook, jury’s still out. My point wasn’t to evaluate the moves per say but to point out how we heard rumblings from TLR/Dunc before they were made
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
Well, there goes the season
With Feliz occupying 3B, we’re doomed.
Maybe
he was just trying to hit home runs all the time because of the short porch in left and once he stops trying to do that he’ll go back up to his career rates…crap, that sucks too…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
or maybe
MO and TLR know that the only way a player on the cardinals can produce over expectations is for VEB to hate them (see Miles, Aaron)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
yes, but to get back "up" to his career rates in only 1 month
he’ll have to really hit the hell out of the ball the rest of the season……
MO is a genius!!!!!!!!!!!
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Feliz has nowhere to go but up...
…hopefully.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hap may be up
but who goes off the 25-man?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
are you sure? because the way this team is preforming this season, i don't think Big Mac is working with anyone
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
dude...we've beat this horse.....
the team is in the top 1/4 of most NL offensive stats. Mac isn’t the problem. Willie has the numbers.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i know the numbers never lie, but if they are soo good, why do so many bad teams shut them down?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we've had horrible horrible timing
kind of reflects my real life
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
at what point does bad timing & bad luck stop being bad timing & bad luck?
when do those excuses stop being valid & everyone start believing outside of a few keys players, the Cardinals are just not that good?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The stats are there...
They are good enough to score 10-12 runs, then they score one or two. Never seems to be 5 or 6 consistently for stretches.
you're asking the wrong guy
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that was more directed at everyone & not just you
i’m really starting to believe i was way, waaaaaay wrong about this teams ability to score more runs than their opponents. all we have on a consistent basis is Albert & Holliday & that’s about it.
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
consistently inconsistent.
That’s the 2010 Cradinals.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
brilliant! someone write that down
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
been saying it for a couple of weeks now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yadi's got it somewhere, I'm sure.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I do not
someone spray painted it on a highway overpass, but they powerwashed it off
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Our team BA is .265, good for second in the NL.
Our team OBP is .335, which is good for fifth in the NL (4th is .336, 3rd is .337, 2nd is .338). Our SLG is sixth at .413, but with Molina, Skip, Miles, and Ryan getting so many PAs and Jay taking over for Ludwick, we don’t have all that many players with a slugging skillset. Our team OPS is .747, which is good for fifth. The clubs ahead of us—Arizona, Colorado, Milwaukee, and Cincinatti—all have hitter-friendly home ballparks (as does Philly, which is in sixth, just behind us). I’d say our offense has been decent this year, especially given the slow starts and injuries.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
so what you are saying is...
Fire McGwire?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I understand that you are joking,
but the whole “Fire McGwire” thing is utterly preposterous. It bubbles to the top whenever the team scores three or fewer runs, as if Mark McGwire, as hitting coach, can control the timeliness of our hitting. And I’m sick and tired of it. It’s not fair to McGwire. Our problem is not hitting. It’s fielding and base-running. If anything, we should be praising McGwire for keeping Skip, Yadi, and Brendan from falling into a mental slump. They haven’t and their production is picking up, which has meant a much better offensive attack of late.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that said
I wonder if Tony leaves or retires after this season, if Mark McGwire would still be the hitting coach next season
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a good question, but it is tough to say.
I believe the coaches are all on one-year deals, aren’t they?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If he isn't here
then I doubt he’ll anything but a private coach. I doubt he’ll be as insulated as he is here.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i would doubt it
maybe for one more year. But it wouldn’t be fair to the next manager for him not to be able to pick his coachs.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
run the numbers last seaon
with Hal as the hitting coach. We were in the top half of the league in multiple categories, yet most people were hard on the Fire McRae bandwagon. I didn’t care much for it then, I don’t care much for it now.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
is there a way to figure out just how much of those #'s are produced by Albert, Holliday & Ludwick?
and also figure in the recent hotter streaks of Skip, Molina & Ryan? and also Colby’s hot & cold streaks?
i could be way wrong because i haven’t been able to pay attention this season, but it seams to me Albert, Holliday & Ludwick are/were the only steady producers & the others guys hardly if ever chipped in & only now have kind of started pulling their weight
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
sort by batting runs (calculated by wOBA) and you’ll see that albert, holliday, rasmus, jay, and ludwick are our heavy hitters.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Pooooooooooooop!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Keith Law just made me laugh and cry
My analysis of the Pedro Feliz deal, for Insiders: http://hestinks
Law has it right
I can’t believe this trade
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
so in the future Chris Carpenter will turn into Jesus?
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
not with that mouth of his...
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
as did I
if that had happened I think I would have just shut VEB down to avoid being accused of inciting a mass suicide.
by DanUpBaby on Aug 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i kinda did too.
but there was doubt so I checked it. “Luckily”…….it was “only” David………..
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
i thought that too and accidently sent out a furious text before I caught my mistake
whew.
but this still sucks. when trading for the Feliz, you shouldn’t give up any even remotely useful prospect.
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
yeah i don't really know
point is if you’re taking Feliz off their hands (the $) then you shouldn’t give up even an A-ball closer
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
i thought it was matt carpenter when i first read it
i would’ve flipped.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
shit
that’s who i was thinking of the whole time until i just read this. thanks pj
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
ditto
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I was looking at going down to St. Louis for one more weekend series.
That is no longer the case.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What kind of grade does John Mozeliak get for this season?
He traded Lud away, signed Aaron Miles, signed Randy Winn, signed Mike MacDougal, and now has traded for Pedro Feliz. What has he done this year that’s been any good?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
Signed Holliday
Face it. The guy IS a stud.
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But he gave him tons of cash
So that doesn’t mean it was a great deal. Lucky if we break even on that
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nonsense.....
You cannot value Holliday on just his stats. There aren’t many guys out there that can protect Pujols. And you can define “protect” any number of ways. We arguably have two of the top 5 hitters in the NL. You cannot value that, no matter how hard you try.
No other available player could have coupled with AP like Holliday does. Nobody.
Huh?
Of course you can value Holliday’s contribution.
Also, we are talking about grading Mo. Flim’s point is that he went out and paid Holliday a ton of money giving him the richest contract of the offseason, even though there were no apparent competitors willing to pay similar amounts. You have to factor in the cost. If he were paying Holliday half as much, wouldn’t you think Mo had done an even better job?
so, the deal sucks
because mo is paying him market value as opposed to minimum wage?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Exactly
And filling that roster spot with a cheaper player wouldn’t have helped us any. We had a hole. A hole that only one available player could truly fill. We paid him pretty darn close to market value. I don’t care if he doesn’t play a single inning in the final year of that contract, it was worth it.
The owner needs to buck up and increase payroll anyways.
I think there is a pretty good argument that Mo overpaid
Most reports were that there was no market at least at the level of what the Cardinals paid. Nowhere did I say the deal sucks, but you have to consider the amount paid in evaluating how good of a deal it was. That’s my only point. I like Holliday. I’m glad he is on the team. But I would like the deal better if the Cards were paying less and for less years.
If you buy a sports car for half the MSRP you probably got a good deal. If you pay 10k over the MSRP, not so much. But you can’t just look at how much you like driving the car.
by OCCardsFan on Aug 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm surprised you think there was "no market"
The fact of the matter was that it was an under market deal given Holliday’s production and age. Moreover, I very much doubt all “us” fans have much of any idea of the true market for players, other than what teams, agents or media want us to hear.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Holliday is awesome, Albert and Holliday even more so. Then theres the issue of about 20 out of the other 23.
I know
Clearly Holliday’s protection of Pujols has sent Sir Albert to new heights in production.
Not afraid to nitpick
it just took until august to kick in
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
not Hollidays fault
albert is striking out more.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
We'll see how studly he is 5-6 years from now
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And is a drag on the payroll
Matt Holliday may end up a huge mistake as he sucks up our cash. He may be like buying a cool, expensive house, and then discovering you can’t afford to heat it, supply it with electricity, or eat.
A vacation island in the Bahamas
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Well, Albert is likely to be gone
But if he stays, he may well be a roster and payroll problem. I said that last year in a post, and people tore into me. My mind has not changed.
if it's a psychological thing for you
so you won’t be crushed if he leaves, then fine. If you really believe that, I think you’re nuts. Letting Pujols leave StL would be the stupidest thing the Cardinals have EVER done. They would lose half of their fanbase overnight, thus destroying revenue streams.
Sometimes people forget that Baseball is at the root NOT about winning, but about making money.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
please
if Pujols demands 30 million and the Cards sign Adrian Gonzalez then it would be the smartest thing they’ve ever done…
“They would lose half of their fanbase overnight, thus destroying revenue streams.” – hyperbole?
seriously, half the fanbase? if Pujols leaves, I’m pretty sure if the team out there is good, people will attend…. maybe not sold out crowd most nights, but we won’t turn into the Marlins
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 19, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhh but are you a fan who would pay money for seats?
there’s the rub.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as this team doesn't turn into the teams from 90-95,
yes I would.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Even then, I still bought tickets.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
we
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
are on SBN where nothing gets posted right
and on a Cardinals blog. selection bias. VEB couldn’t fill a section — the Cardinals are able to operate within this market because they fill the stadium on a regular basis.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they do have a pretty good wave,
and the fans love that, I hear.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I think I went to half a dozen games during that span,
and I was given the tickets each time I went.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like the Cardinals have a pretty distinct pattern of good decade-bad decade
Hopefully we buck the trend in the tens (is that what we’re calling this decade?)
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
um, mattyfrommo isn't allowed near anything called "pre-teen"
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
teens, pre-teens, and pre-pre teens
all need to be put in one of those bags Azru has, and then thrown in the river
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
i'm GDM & i approve of this message
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
not more than once a year tops
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Aug 19, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
wait
that’s not a fair comparison i live in texas!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Aug 19, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
/agree
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
american whey?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
we are beefy here in states
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
but maybe 25% overpaid and way over extended in contract length
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
25% overpaid?
Really? The AAV was somewhere around $16MM/yr (maybe less) depending on the value of the deferred payments. You think Holliday was worth $12MM/yr?
The Feliz trade is bad, but let us all not lose touch with reality.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
not lose touch with reality?
now you’re just being unreasonable
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I would say that categorizing the deal as 25% too much in terms of years would be fair,
but, as for the AAV of the salary, it seems pretty good with the deferred money.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
deferred money is money owed, when he collects is moot to me
prior to this contract he was at 12-13M
75% of his true 18M salary is 13.5M, for 7 f’in years
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
based of what exactly?
prior to this contract he was at 12-13M
first of all, 17 million with deferred, 15 million without, not 18 million…. secondly he is most definitely not worth 12-13 million…. a LOT more than that
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 19, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
it isn't moot ...
… in 7 years, $1M will not be anywhere near as costly as $1M is today
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Aug 19, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
10 yr t-bills are running a little over 2%
2M at 2 % in 10 years is pretty much 2M
so, if you want to be sure to be able to pay $2M down the road, you better be setting aside nearly that much now
if not, it has to be paid from current revenue at that time, which eats into whatever payroll they have them
money is cheap right now and may be for quite awhile
deferred isn’t not paid
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
He gets an "D-" from me.
When he makes a waiver deal for a Proven Veteran back-up catcher, that will fall to an “F.” The handling of this year’s roster has been awful.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Kelly Stinnett isn't doing anything is he?
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Aug 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
you shut it
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
that would be it for me
The Westbrook trade wasn’t TERRIBLE, but other than that, has he made a decent move the entire season?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
I mean since the regular season started.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
I really do believe he needs to be fired
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Also
How does getting Aaron Miles, Randy Winn, Mike MacDougal, and Pedro Feliz show to Albert Pujols that we’re serious about building a championship ballclub? Isn’t that one of the top goals of the front office?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
They are all here just to carry Albert's Jock to the away games
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
DON'T FORGET SUPPAN.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I knew I was forgetting somebody
Fuck!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap, guess I need to change the sig now...
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 19, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i was okay with suppan
give what we were throwing out at the time. And Suppan did alright.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yea but
our dfa/waiver club
winn
miles
macdougal
suppan
feliz
that is 20% of the team right there
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
you forgot the chair.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
they (almost) all served temporary uses
winn- before Jay proved he had everyday value(Ludwick on DL)
miles- wow…i dunno
McD- Can’t ever have enough relief pitching
Sup- Lohse and Penny down, costed nothing to acquire
Feliz- only true 3b we have at the moment
We have a minor league system for a reason...
And apparently it is where players go to rot away or have the lucky fortune of being traded.
We were using many of our own options
I also said “served”. We should have been able to establish better alternatives by now. We now know who is and isn’t coming back. The time has come and gone for us to fish or cut bait on these players.
nonsense. prospects don't come with an expiration date, and if anyone is past the time for being used
it’s feliz.
tyler greene or ruben gotay are good bets to be more productive at third than feliz.
macdougal is a good example of someone whose utility was nonexistent – we have plenty of better relievers – like salas – who do not get the chance to shine on the ML stage because of an acquired replacement value player.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I see what you're saying
If they prefer to have veterans though then thats what they are gonna do. However, if the veterans they bring in to patch things up are no longer needed or just simply don’t produce. They have to get rid of them and find new alternatives.
I'm pretty sure that he is trying to appease TLR
I think one of the two needs to go, and since we have Luhnow it should probably be Tony
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Signed Holliday
That’s a neutral deal, not great, not bad. The Penny deal was good I think, he just got kind of unlucky. The Westbrook trade looks amazing so far given how well he has pitched. Signing Lopez for 1 mil was a plus, putting Jaime in the rotation out of spring training.
I think he sucks, but only slightly.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 19, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I am neutral on him
I don’t think he is a bad GM
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty neutral as well
He’s no J.P. Ricciardi for sure, but he hasn’t done anything really to merit any really high marks
he's almost just a figurehead with Dewitt and Tony around
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
If Tony leaves after this year (obviously Dewitt will still be around for a long while), I think we might see a little different Mo, but we shall see.
i don't
i think we’ll pretty much see the same M.O. from Mo.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Well, here's my take.
This is the first move Mo’s made that has really just pissed everybody off. I can deal with that. It’s a stupid move that makes this team worse (and I didn’t think that was possible) rather than better at 3b.
But, he’s made way more good moves than bad ones. He didn’t trade Colby or Shelby. He got Holliday for a stretch run and signed him to a decent deal. He got Westbrook, who’s been great for us. The drafts have been solid.
IMHO, he’s a pretty good GM. He’s not the best, but we could do a LOT worse.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
and that's fine
I just don’t like that we give him credit for moves we like, and dismiss moves we don’t like as being Tony’s fault.
Give him credit for good moves is fine. Just give him the blame for the bad moves too.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Aug 19, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I agree completely.
I was just making the point that Mo’s done some good and some bad.
There is NO general manager that makes every move right.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
WHAT ABOUT STEVE PHILLIPS
He drafted David Wright. Remember?!?!
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Aug 19, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, well
not even drafting David Wright could counter all the wrong that Steve Phillips did.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
The DeWitts are the other variable in this.
I’m not giving Mo a pass on some of the roster moves but I doubt he was alone in this. TLR has a say in it. And we don’t know how much the DeWitt has said “You have X amount of dollars, thus far and no farther.”. But Feliz is just a dumb fucking move any way you slice it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not bad, but he's not good either
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
At least he's not Jim Hendry.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Steve Phillips,
or Ed Wade (oh wait, he just fleeced us).
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I wouldn't say we got fleeced
we just acquired a bad player. DeWallet has to be happy about the cash received (I thought someone said there was cash involved)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
David Carpenter is like a 25-year-old or something ridiculous in A ball.
We gave up nothing in this deal, and the Astros probably pay everything but the pro-rated league minimum I imagine. The only thing we give up is the chance to have a better player (Gotay, Greene, A Chair) on the roster, which, admittedly, sucks.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
carpenter is a long-shot - however, i was unfair to him on saturday. he was another motte conversion
from catcher, so i should not have held his service time against him. still, i doubt he is a ML reliever.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
his age and performance in A-ball
should tell you all you need to know IMO. He’s a career minor leaguer, his ceiling is perhaps something like Puppykicker without the swingman flexibility. I honestly don’t think it matters at all to trade him, he was a spare part. Also not a bad idea to clear some room at closer in A-ball given that we’ve got a few promising relief arms who we might want to be putting into “closer situations” next year. Wouldn’t surprise me if Swagerty is doing Carpenter’s job straight away next year – it’s probably a level he’d be able to start at.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
although admittedly
from what i hear they plan on using Swagerty as a starter, I’m still slightly unsure about that…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
btrout has done well, but
since we still don’t score, it doesn’t matter
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Same boat I've always been in.
He’s mediocre. In a league of bad GMs, that’s not too bad.
This deal is, at best, a sideways step though. Not a big Inge fan but he’d be 100x better than Feliz. That said, the options in AAA are basically non-existent. Gotay deserves a chance but he doesn’t help at 3b vs LHP because he’s a bad hitter from the right-hand side. Basically vs LHP it’s Lopez (3B) and Miles (2B), Lopez (3B) and Skip (2B) or Lopez (2B) and Feliz (3B). Pick your poison. Until Greene’s 100% that’s our only options.
I actually thought at the time that dumping Hoffpauir seemed a bit premature. I honestly think he’s probably a better 2B now than MIles, and a better 3B than Feliz…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
hoffpauir was moved
because of a 40 roster crunch. If it wasn’t him it would have been someone else we liked.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
F because he's gone from the anti Walt to Walt on roids
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
NO NO NO NO!!! Hello we were supposed to upgrade.
Not take the one guy sooo bad that astro’s fans refer to him as their own Aaron Miles
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
we should have traded aaron miles for him
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I made that offer on Crawfishboxes and they were all for it....
That is scary.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Fuck
Aaron Miles considers him his own personal Aaron Miles
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Not to mention the Astros, who refused to trade Oswalt in division
Were perfectly okay letting us have Feliz.
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they would've traded Feliz to Al Qaeda.
Dude is terrible.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 19, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Jesus
We just got fleeced by the Astros
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wrong Carpenter
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
by TBender on Aug 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we offered Miller
damn sure they’d have traded Oswalt in division…
They just wanted more than Boog and KMac or whatever platter of mediocrity we offered…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So sad
How can this improve the team? What possible other choice at 3B is this an improvement over? Any playing time he gets is at the expense of someone better.
Is he an upgrade over what Craig might do? Is AA bopper Carpenter worse? Gotay?
This sort of deal makes me want to give up as a fan. It shows management simply does not have an interest in winning.
i think they still want to win
the thing that really scares me is that these are the types of deals they think will get them to win.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
they could have brought up Tyler Green and not spent any money and not given up a player.
How could that have not been better than this.
Oh wait, is this another TLR-MO tussle. MO wants to bring Green back up and TLR says no (he’s still pissed about the DL thing) I want a veteran. So Mo says "ok, I’ll show you. and got Feliz.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Man, Mo plays dirty ball then
TLR will ask for a vet starter next year and he’ll sign Kip Wells to a two year $10 million dollar contract
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, at this point nothing would surprise me. LOL
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
in all seriousness what role does a healthy Greene play in this org?
I still dont understand the whole situation with TLR but if you’re correct…thats pretty bad if he is stubborn like that
the time line goes like this *correct if wrong….we were going to platoon greene with mif’ers due to the lack in hitting..then schu starts hittting again….we ride out felipe at 3b ’till freese returns
now…we are w/ feliz and….im speechless
by guillermozeliak on Aug 19, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he's an upgrade
over just playing dave duncan at 3B the rest of the season
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I think I'd rather have Chris Duncan play third
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Sandy Duncan
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
by TBender on Aug 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Michael Clarke Duncan
Bet he could hit it a green mile. cue rim shot
by LexTalionis on Aug 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd just cus MCD kicks ass
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
We were only
going to get a third basemen with glove but no bat, or one with bat but no glove it seems. That said, I still don’t like the trade even if he’s better there than Lopez defensively, although Lopez now is free to play 2B some.
I literally laughed out loud when I saw the Cards had acquired Feliz.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
I think this is a message to the team... Start hitting consitantly or...
we will continue to load the roster with rejects from all over base ball until we look like the island of misfit toys,
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
that would make a great signature
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Or.....
maybe this “inspires” Lopez????
I mean seriously. They just acquired Feliz because you aren’t good enough!!!!
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
+1
not enough gif, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hey i didn't want to make it impossible to load
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Someone should strike through the entire day.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
has someone figured out how to do that?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Chitown, I think.
or maybe one of the Matty’s.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there's way to many f'ing matty's
don’t get me wrong, i like them all. well, most of them. i just get confused easily
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
If Pedro Feliz is the Answer,
what could the question possibly be?
This is the sort of move the Pittsburgh Pirates or Kansas City Royals used to make.
I can’t wait for the inevitable quotes about him being a proven winner. “This is the sort of player who has been to the World Series. He is a real winner out there, and has lots of experience.” Insert lines about glove, heart, professionalism, etc.
All the things you say when there is nothing good to say about performance.
The question is who makes Miguel Cairo look like Jim Thome
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
How about “What third basemen can be pinch hit for by your pitchers?”
Who is the only player in baseball worse than Aaron Miles?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No, he isn't.
Jocketty already snatched him up.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
There is no way I'm watching the game tomorrow
It’s my birthday tomorrow, and Pedro Feliz debuting for the Cardinals is the worst possible birthday gift. I would rather slam my head in the oven door for three hours than tune in to watch that.
by mojowo11 on Aug 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is such a disappointing season
I can’t remember feeling so let down about a roster that was supposed to be so good. A team with this many bright spots shouldn’t feel like the ‘07 squad in the sense that it seems like every game we play I’m surprised if we win. I hate being this pessimistic about this team, but the roster construction in nearing embarrassing,
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
Nearing?
Miles, Suppan and Randy Winn. It’s been embarrassing.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what makes this season more of a disappointment?
The fact that this lineup was so promising at the start of the year. Albert, Holliday and Ludwick coming off good seasons. Schumaker had to improve at 2B while providing a good lead-off bat. Ryan was spectacular at D and was coming off a .290-ish season. Yadi was coming off a .300 season. We all thought Colby was due to have his breakout season. Freese was an intriguing player at 3B, as well as Penny at SP. We had Carpenter and Wainwright and Lohse healthy and ready. And Jaime was ready to prove something. Such a fearsome lineup that everyone thought was going to dominate.
Yet we find ourselves with a benchload of old-and-negatively-WAR-valued players while begging for wins to keep a division lead that seems increasingly distant. Such talent and pre-season hype and no results… That’s what frustrates me!
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Is this how the Cubs feel on a yearly basis?
No way could I deal with that. I would have to start watching curling or something.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
however, I think we are underestimating the number of freak injuries out there
Ryan’s injury just killed his spring training, and pretty much his first half. Latent aches and pains for Yadi and Albert … and probably Colby. Lohse. Penny. Freese. We essentially had to trade Ludwick because the absence of most of the rotation was killing the bullpen and everything else.
I increasingly suspect that Mo’s moves are a mixture of La Russa pressing him… and the other clubs not wanting to help the Cardinals. It’s too early to be grading anybody except the players’ inability to step the fuck up. They should be doing their job no matter how much help comes in. Mo should not be the cavalry; they are the fucking cavalry.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hit nail on head, Yadi-san.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
true, but
it’s jmo and jeffy’s job to have some plan b worth a crap when the season starts
if floppy had not fallen into their lap, we would not have even had him
that’s not a plan
i think the deal is transitioning to a farm supported roster is not going smoothly
they draft 50 f’in players a year, and they were concerned enough to sign gotay
but won’t use him
they sign k howard next
not a plan
management does not get a pass either
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
not a haiku
well, as Paulspike put it … where do you think that plan came from? it came from the expectation that this was a team THAT COULD BEAT BAD TEAMS IN ITS OWN DIVISION. …sorry, caps. I don’t dispute that TLR and Mo have at times not put this team in a position to be most successful, but at the same time, a team that expects to contend has to be able to deal with adversity. you don’t see the Phillies freaking out over their injuries, which were arguably even more crippling than the Cardinals.
you ever put a business plan together? some companies can’t make a move if they can’t project several years down the road. baseball doesn’t work like that. it’s opportunistic. when 20% of the problems that Mo has to address are because these guys can’t get on base ahead of the middle of the order, what exactly do you expect Mo to do?
I’m just saying — this team should have won even with the crappy roster management. in this division, there was just no excuse.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
disclaimer: I probably don't say this if it were earlier in the season.
it’s getting late, and SSS is just not cutting it anymore.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
with that i agree
they are who they are
they were thin to start and got hurt in the worst places
but i will say counting on penny and paying him a min. of 7.5M was no high on my smart list
the biggest problem to me is they did ludwick-westbrook cash neutral
feliz cash neutral
won’t spend more money and don’t have the prospects
need one or the other
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i'm afraid you're more right than you might think
especially about the other teams dealing with MO part. if Bernie, Goold & Unistrauss can be believed, most GM’s around the league don’t like how he got the gig & think he stole Walts job. which explains why MO keeps getting the short end of the stick with his trades
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
True
We’ll back into a playoff spot and then dominate the playoffs.
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
In related news,
Pedro Feliz is apparently still employed by a Major League Baseball team. Who woulda thought?
"I will grow a mustache bigger than Wyatt Earp's if we keep winning," - Adam Wainwright
by Beware the Molinas on Aug 19, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
well.... he isn't white
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
of course, he also said this about Transformers 2
by DanUpBaby on Aug 19, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
zing.
"I will grow a mustache bigger than Wyatt Earp's if we keep winning," - Adam Wainwright
by Beware the Molinas on Aug 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That's it
He doesn’t follow “Not a bad rental” up with “A terrible rental.” Joe Strauss actually maybe likes this trade.
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my dear heavens, Joe
Yes, yes Joe it’s a terrible rental. Find one thing he can still do well. One.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
but i noes his nayme! he muss be gud!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
They are dancing in the streets of houston..
One poster on Crawfish boxes was amazed we gave them anything for him.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
What the fuck?
I really expected the Cards to want Geoff Blum in the trade, maybe giving up a guy like Mitchell Boggs to get him. That would have been a low-cost, high-reward trade for St. Louis, especially since Blummer has a history of those clutch hits.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 19, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!
I'm sorry guys he was the most harmless player I could think of....
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
by shadetree on Aug 19, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I wouldn't mind a 100 foot tall Pedro Feliz
His strike zone would be impossible to find.
by Mulliganstew on Aug 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
this bitch is toast
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Aug 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean our offense?
Or our playoff chances?
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 19, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This needs to get green as well.
We need as many happy moments in this thread because Pedro Feliz.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You remember back early in the season,
when we had a good, proven core of great players, and a bunch of young, interesting role players?
Those were the days……..
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
so it's a win for mo....
We didn’t give up Mitchell Boggs.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
You read my mind
I guess that is something to be happy about.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
blumpkin
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That isn't real.
It’s a joke, right?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
on the bright side
he’s only a year removed from his career high OBP of .308
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
maybe he'll pull a ronnie belliard???
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Ohh how I wish with all of my soul that in 2 months....
Mo looks like a genious for this….. OH GOD do I hope…
but I will probably be heartbroken
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
I sort of don't
The last thing we need is for Feliz to get hot for a couple months and then have the Cards re-sign him for 2011.
if he gets "hot"
and matches his career year, he’ll be a league average hitter. i don’t think we have much to worry about. i’m gonna wait on that aaron miles power binge first
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
look at this dude's numbers.
i’m amazed he’s been a full-time major leaguer for so long. he has a career .301 wOBA and that’s inflated by the 2 times it was league average. he’s been under .300 five times and significantly under four times
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
HA HA
what a douch
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Really?
I understand all the… I guess I’ll call it “standard rhetoric.” Allen Craig isn’t good at 3rd. It’s unfair to the development of a young rookie to put him in such an important role that he hasn’t played in 2 years in the middle of a pennant race in the majors. (I will always argue “Wainwright, Adam” to this statement, but I digress). Lopez is better as a middle infielder. Tyler Greene is more suited to the middle infield. Aaron Miles…. should be playing rec softball. Our other options were Goeff Blum, Craig Councell, Edwin Encarnacion, etc.
But really? Pedro Feliz is a better option than what we had currently? I’m actually a supporter of Mo, but he’s sure as hell making it hard.
Or is this a case of pulling out the least-rotten-and-wormy apple out of a barrel full of wormy, rotten apples?
I fail to see how this is better than ANYTHING in house. Hell, how do I get in contact with the front office? If they want to pay me the league minimum, I’m pretty sure I can perform as poorly as the guy we just acquired, and continue the decline just as well. And I wouldn’t have cost a minor league player in trade.
classic...
me:
I hate you all sooooo much
FOR DUMPING THIS PILE OF GARBAGE ON MY TEAM….. you can thank us anytime. from VEB… PS Enjoy Wallace…. Damn it … damn it all to heck
Random Crawfish Boxes poster:
My condolences =(
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
Clint Barmes
was suggested by the MooCow a few days ago. I’m not a big fan of his (living in Denver, I see him often), but he woulda been better than Feliz, Blum or Counsell. Wonder if Mo even looked at him.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Aug 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
So is hyperbolic to say that we have three of the top ten worst players in MLB on our team?
Miles, Stav, Feliz
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
or soup.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
or MacDougal.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Sup is though
one of the worst players in MLB
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
is Winn top ten worst players?
no… not defending him, but he’s not one of the worst players in MLB
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They are just trying to get Albert another MVP
“Albert got the team to the playoffs and he had Aaron Miles, Pedro Feliz, Nick Stavinoah, and Jeff Suppan as teammates. Beat that!”
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Aug 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No...
add Soup to that and we’ve got four of the worst ten. Then consider that two guys ranked 96th and 97th out of 101 qualified pitchers (by FIP) just shut us down… I think we need to consider the possibility that our team isn’t very good.
Fire La Russa!
I don't think we will be able to pull of a respectable trade for a while....
all the other GMs are laughing at us.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
This day was already crappy
My xbox 360 slim HD got corrupted between last night and this morning, so 4 years of my saves are gone (Really mad about losing Mass Effect 1 and 2 saves)
Car wouldn’t start
Dropped a box of exercising equipment on my foot
No baseball tonight
Pedro Feliz
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe considering we just acquired Pedro Feliz, it's a good thing there's no baseball tonight
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I had to format my slim’s HD and it appears to work now, but that doesn’t help the whole save files thing.
I might be lucky, in that before i bought the new console I transferred saves to both a memory card and USB stick. The usb stick is empty, but I’m hoping my brother is free tonight and I can go to his house to see if there’s anything on the memory card. I know it won’t have my most recent saves, but it could still have something. If only the new xbox had a port for the memory cards, I wouldn’t have to wait.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I Would try buying a hard drive transfer kit to try to salavge anything
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried that
Nothing would read off of it. It was quite sad to have to format it.
Really all I care about is Mass Effect 1, because I spent so much time on that game, and I was almost at a level 60. I don’t mind playing ME2 again, because there’s always new DLC since it’s a new game. I’ll be very very upset if I have to play ME1 again, so I can import all my choices into ME2.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Something happened to me before
It was on the original Playstation. Lost about 60 hours of Residence Evil and Final Fantasy. Stopped playing games for about 10 years
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"Oh my goodness! Somebody spilled wine on the carpet!"
BURN THE HOUSE DOWN!
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
I’ve lost desire to play games for a while now. I’m just hoping I didn’t decide to clear the memory card.
Lesson learned though: Always make backups of game saves.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
We can take Pedro, Miles, Stav, and Winn, mash them together and get an AAAA player
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
we tried that with the Red Sox.
then they ran out of scrap… had to put it on the field.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we call him Pedro Felatio... cuz he sucks
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
by shadetree on Aug 19, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I get it
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
really? GDM never does
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
if you guys haven't already
make sure to check out tarakas’ hard-hitting analysis on the topic
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/8/19/1631804/finding-it-hard-to-get-excited
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Larry Borowsky
considers this a terrible acquisition. PD readers get a paragraph of truth
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Give 'em hell, lb!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
For those too lazy to head to STLToday...
LARRY BOROWSKY (Founder of Viva El Birdos and editor of "Maple Street Press Cardinals Annual")
It’s a terrible acquisition. Feliz makes the offense a lot worse – he has a career on-base percentage of .289 and grounds into double-plays by the bushel. And at age 35, he’s got nothing left – his .243 on-base percentage is about equivalent to the OBPs of most of the St. Louis pitchers. The Cardinals have struggled all year to sustain rallies; they’ll struggle even more with Feliz making three or four outs every game. No move at all would have been better than this one.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
wow fuck joe strauss
The Feliz acquisition underscores the severity of the Cardinals’ plight. They take on salary and ship a promising reliever for a plus defender whom the Astros had buried due to a precipitous drop in offense and the emergence of rookie third baseman Chris Johnson. Feliz compiled decent "counting stats" for several seasons but carries a .289 on-base percentage. Prospect David Carpenter was on the Jason Motte career path, a converted catcher with a power arm. He goes for a seven-week rental that does not offer any significant offensive upgrade. Two things are clear: The Cardinals were exasperated with Felipe Lopez’s defense and uncertain when he might rediscover his offense. And they are clearly scrambling. The loss of David Freese within a week of the Ryan Ludwick trade – in addition to Colby Rasmus’ ongoing calf problems – is crippling this offense. Feliz adds defensive competence but the Cardinals remain exposed as an offense.
wow really? just because we had one successful pitcher converted catcher totally means that we can strike gold twice, right? seriously this anylasis is bullshit, the prospect wasn’t the problem and he certainly wasn’t “promising,” the problem was the player
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 19, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We keep adding old and useless players to
a team that should be miles ahead in 1st. Ugh, fuck this. I can’t wait for the day that St. Louis sees a lineup that includes Feliz, Winn, Miles, Suppan and Stavinoha..
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Well the good news is
That that’s cruel and unusual punishment, so we could sue
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
8th amend. right?
u konw that lineup is gonna be on “fan appreciation day”…when is that?, the last home game or somethin…
by guillermozeliak on Aug 19, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
soup would be batting clean up and playing Short.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
gdm's in the house
Post with like 5 hilarious animated gif’s in 5…4…3…2…1…
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
well, if you insist
pedro f’ing feliz? really MO? really??
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
The Bert one is my favorite
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly i've been holding on to that one for a while hoping i wouldn't have to use it
with this team & this season the way things have gone you’d think i’d know better by now
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
the lady going nuts
what is she saying?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
the only thing i can make out is the couple of F bombs
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
she is saying "NOT PEDRO FUCKIN FELIZ! SCREW YOU MO!!!"
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
yep
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
I'm going to attempt optimism here
let’s say Happy Pete’s defense returns to form with the Cardinals….What would his slash lines need to be to prove himself an upgrade? Or, is simply improving the defense at 3b enough to make the team better?
What factor do we give Lopez moving back to 2b? Will his comfort level there help him snap out of this slump?
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
There is no upside to this move. None.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If I wasn't fairly convinced that Lopez (elbow and back or knee or something else I heard)
is going to have a had time bouncing back to his true offensive talent level without significant rest I’d assume that this move was made more for late-inning defensive purposes because the alternative is too horrifying to imagine. But given the current Lopez situation we have a lot of Feliz groundouts/gidps to look forward to.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Q: What are the odds Matt Carpenter would outperform Feliz?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well apparently there's one good thing about feliz
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
As opposed to Stavinoha?
Two emergency catchers…you know, for that next 20-inning game.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Well not exactly
With this offense I’d say for those 20-0 in the third inning games.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
would it have been that out of the question
to just call up carpenter?
what’s the worst case scenario? we start his arb clock too soon to help a pennant race?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
No.....
Worst case is that he is worse than Lopez, Miles, and Feliz.
The kid has done well this year, but he still hasn’t seen anything above AA pitching.
If you want to be upset about not playing a young guy, be upset that we aren’t putting Greene there.
and when he's worse than those guys
he goes back down. so, basically, worst case scenario is that we start his arb clock too soon to help a pennant race?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
There's some minor league rules about
who you can move back and forth through the different levels for playoff bound teams within 20 days or something prior to the end of the season. Maybe it has something to do with that?
Wow, this day keeps getting worse...
First I find out my pension has been cut in half. Now this. What next, a plane falls on me?
i did not read "pension" correctly the first time through
your day could be much worse, indeed
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
hahaha that'd be another way the day could be worse
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
should a plane fall on you, your pension and pedro feliz will be the least of your concerns.
things are looking up!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
And you should be as well.
You know, just in case.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Ugh
Another woman who said she owned a monkey was walking around with a net, hoping to catch the loose animal
Why do people own animals like monkeys?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you do that to a cat?
Gross.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 19, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Tyson has a cat
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Laws are different everywhere
Regarding non-domestic animals. I’m against your average Joe buying a monkey, it’s harmful to the animal and incredibly unfair. Let a zoo take care of non-domestic animals.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen a woman
in wal-mart in bolivar MO with a monkey dressed up like a little kid. Turns out its her helper monkey. It helps her to deal with her “anxiety disorder”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
scoot do you live in Bolivar?
I think I heard about that monkey. I live in Springfield.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
lived in bolivar
during PT school. Moved to the other side of the state a few months back.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
how is the east side treating you all?
have you been to the Hickory Log yet? i had a dream at it the other night, almost woke up crying because it was just a dream
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
my dad used to live near bolivar
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Jocketty has got to be loving this
“Well, Mr. DeWitt, you chose Luhnow and Mo over me. How do you like your 2010 Cardinals now?” (from my mindreading capabilities)
by vinniefromjersey on Aug 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
this whole season seems to be about making Jockety feel like he's the lucky one.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
And then DeWitt says:
“Mark Mulder.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
way to greet the guy to the team
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, not his fault he's coming here
I hope he’s a pleasant suprise. Just doesn’t appear to be any indication that he is what this team needs. Guess we’ll just have to be the best fans in baseball and hope he turns into Will Clark for 2010.
gotta be that we are looking at this backwards
jmo went looking to peddle carpenter for a 3rd baseman and hap was the only one he could get
kind of suggests he is writing things off to large degree
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
only way to get a no cost 3rd baseman, just like cash-neutral westbrook
basically, sold carpenter
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Carpenter is a nobody
probably won’t make the major leagues. If he does, it’ll be as a middle reliever.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
well, that's a silly piece of logic.
“hmm, i have plain bread at home and $3. i will go get a sandwich from a restaurant. hmm. no one will sell me a sandwich for $3. this person will sell me rancid tuna fish for $3. i will buy and eat rancid tuna fish for $3, even though it will make me sick and i have plain bread at home which, while unexciting is okay to eat and will keep me from starving. after all, i did set out to spend $3.”
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
So you're saying Mo should have eaten Carpenter!?!
I say good day to you, sir!
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 19, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sooo Football season is coming up...
Never mind
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
the only consoling thing about this is the same consoling factor about the suppan acquisition.
at least we are not paying $42M for the benefit of having suppan play for us – or in feliz’s case $4.5m.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Aren't we paying a pro-rated share of $4.5MM?
I don’t think it is the league minimum that we are paying Feliz….
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Okay. So, it is probably about the league minimum.
That said, I think Feliz’s WAR may suggest that he should be paying us…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The shit part is they would have released him tomorrow
THEN we would be paying the pro-rated league minimum. We would also have another Carpenter in our ranks.
there's the problem
there were far too many carpenters in the the cardinals organization. one of them had to be sent away
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
new stadium=dwindling need for Carpenters
Shouldve just called it down si
by LexTalionis on Aug 19, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dear moses
this team’s acquisitions make less and less sense the longer the season progresses.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
this season is like 03 all over again, except it's worse
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
you honestly think they can spell that?
and good job…. someone’s out there writing fanfiction, I am sure.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
But it's not DanUp...
Totally not him.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
boog, yes
colby, no
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Aug 19, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
trudat
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
this is just another move by Mozeliak to protect Pujols
from errantly thrown baseballs
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
somewhere, ruben gotay kicks something really fucking hard.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
what does a guy gotta do...
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ken Boyer rolls over in his grave.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
He's been solidly mediocre in his mlb career
probably similar to lopez.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
but better than Feliz
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
I can't believe his Friend of Albert status doesn't get him anywhere.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
At the PD.
Poll
What do you think of the Cardinals’ acquisition of 3B Pedro Feliz?
Loading…
Good acqusition
42%
He’ll do more harm than good
26%
Team had better options in-house
32%
Total Votes: 850
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
A clear majority are against the trade.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Predictions for Mo's speech on the pregame show tomorrow?
A lot of “you knows” “yeah obviously” and other Mo Speak.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
Even the offical team website is grasping at straws...
“For his 11-year career, Feliz is a .288 hitter at Busch Stadium, which is his third-highest batting average among National League parks.”
When that’s the best thing you can say about a player, then, umm, just don’t get him.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
In other news
Feliz bats 400 when he has a solid BM
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially considering that the current Busch Stadium has only been around for 5 years.
I’m going to go ahead and guess that his average was better in the first half of his career.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
WOOO! Pedro Feliz!!!
You can go ahead and mail that World Series trophy to:
123 Championship St
Ball Park Village, MO
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
ps - jason larue is on the 60-day DL!
let’s hope bryan anderson and yadi stay healthy!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
It's all right.
Selig taught him a lesson with a one-start suspension.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Maybe Carp will get to put one under his chin.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately
I’m thinking it will have to wait til next year. But it will happen.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think that this is the most important thing about the day's events
Feliz is on the roster taking the place of LaRue who was moved to the 60 day DL, and all that POS Cueto got was a 1 start suspension?
Does anyone know if actual assault charges are being brought on by the Cinci DA? LaRue is unable to work as a result! Has he considered suing the pants off Cueto, the Reds org, etc?
Prob some sort of unwritten rule about pressing charges.
Although probably a written rule you dont kick people in the face too!
now that's funny, the natti's da doesn't even know the reds are still there
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
from rotoworld in June.
Pedro Feliz went 0-for-4 and committed his ninth error of the season Thursday against the Royals.
It’s incredible that the Astros have stuck with Feliz this long, particularly in light of the fact that Chris Johnson is hitting .321/.353/.571 in Triple-A. At .224/.246/.301 in 219 reeking at-bats, Feliz has been one of the game’s worst hitters, and his defense just isn’t what it used to be.
This is a joke right????
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Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Cash considerations for Feliz?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Too bad you don't get to keep it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
meaning i have to pay it back?
because what i got was less my tuition and about half of it is grants
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Well done then.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
it's mainly just
woot, i can order my books and have one more day to hope they’re here by wednesday
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Little victories.
Sometimes that’s all you get.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
what is this magical sometimes you speak of?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Sorry gdm,
I’m not used to you being around much. I’ll have to watch my hope-spreading from now on.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i should probably go on sabatical again,
it seamed like the Cards were doing better when i wasn’t paying attention
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Nah, it's your imagination.
We’re still under-performing just like we were before.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The longer this season goes on, the more I realize this is not the 2004/2005 teams, but the 2006 team.
Not sure if that’s good or bad.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
Don't say that.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 19, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
damn, you beat me to it
suffice to say, I’m sadly in agreement. I wish it didn’t feel like 2003…
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
seriously Mo.
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
You know what?!
I blame this whole mess on TLR. I’m sorry. I know he can’t force Mo to go get certain players, but his hardheadedness knows no bounds. Why not give Craig a week at 3b just to see what happened? He may be no twinkletoes, but if he can catch what’s hit at him, then there is no need for Feliz. Same goes for Greene.
Mo can’t make Tony put players on the field.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Craig's ability to appear at 3B is not a TLR-only decision.
The whole organization is involved on this one.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
TLR is the only person in the Cardinals organization
to allow Craig to play 3rd base in the last two years.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Aug 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
you bring a player who is worth less than a replacement player. What would Greene or Craig do at 3B that is considered less of an upgrade than Feliz?
Don’t mind the “Don’t fix what doesn’t need fixing” rule. Our 3B situation needed fixing. But this?!
It’s like having a broken TV and trying to fix it by driving it through a car wash. It’s like fixing a messed up sandwich by nailing it together. Fuck!
Ironic, huh? Pedro Feliz translates to Peter Happy… And no VEB’er seems happy right now…
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
We just added another pitcher to our lineup...
Pedro Feliz’s ZIPS projection for the rest of the year:
walk rate: 4.8%
ISO: 117
Line: 242/276/358
Adam Wainwright’s career hitting numbers:
walk rate: 4.1%
ISO: 113
Line: 230/264/344
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Aug 19, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so he makes every pitcher look like adam wainwright.
awesome.
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
at least jocketty got good proven veterans.
seriously.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Needing 3B help the Cardinals acquire...
no 3B help.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Pedro Feliz makes Aaron Miles look like Albert Pujols
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Ok...
let’s not get out of hand here.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
As would I
Just don’t understand trading for Feliz when we have Gotay and a rehabbing T Greene. Makes ZERO sense.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Nah
Miles is significantly worse than Feliz. At least Feliz can play defense while having no hitting ability.
Not afraid to nitpick
miles' true talent is >.300 OBP
certainly better than .243
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I severely doubt Miles' TT is over .300
He doesn’t walk and hits for literally no power so he’s a .260 hitter/.280-.290 OBP.
Not afraid to nitpick
Feliz actually hits for power though which makes him a better hitter and a better defender than Miles
Not afraid to nitpick
a career .322 OBP vs .289
OBP > Slg right?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
wOBA .301 for Feliz vs. .298 for Miles career
And the ZiPS RoS basically puts them about the same, and Feliz is probably +15 better defender at 3B than Miles (Feliz +5, Miles -10). Miles is projected to be the worst player who is still in the big leagues going forward.
Not afraid to nitpick
There is no question that Feliz is better overall as a player than Miles.
Yet, neither should be on our team.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
so you'd go with Craig or Gotay over Feliz
both with apparently questionable defense…
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Tyler Greene would be my starting third baseman.
But, I don’t really care at all about the DL thing. Tyler Greene’s floor as an offensive player is higher than Feliz’s and his ceiling is far higher than Gotay’s. He will likely be average or slightly above average on defense at third, too.
Within the organization, I suspect that Gotay is seen as Lopez Lite (not to make a joke regarding the above discussion on Lopez’s weight). To me, Gotay would be intriguing as a leadoff or no. 2 hitter, but I don’t think you begin that experiment in the here and now of a tight pennant race.
As for Craig, he would have been my third baseman in mid-May of last year. Then, I’d know what I had. The organization has apparently seen enough of Craig at third to make their call as to what they have and the verdict is that Craig is not good enough defensively to play third in St. Louis. So, that discussion, no matter how much I have stoked it, is moot at this point, I’d say.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
I’d like to see what T. Greene would do over there, but he’s been hurt I guess.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Noting could make Aaron Miles look like Albert
Not even Photoshop
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
....
Larussa: Hey Mo, let’s go get Pedro Feliz. He’s pretty good, huh?
Mo: No he’s not. He sucks. He has never been anywhere near good with the bat and his glove has fallen off a cliff. I tell you what, we have 2 dudes named Carpenter in our minor league system, and I can’t seem to keep them sorted out in my mind. I’ll call the ‘Stros and if they will take one of them, then we’ll kill 2 birds with one stone. You’ll get your player, and I’ll only have to get minor leage reports on one Carpenter.
Larussa: Sounds great Mo. You wouldn’t believe how proven Feliz is!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
This year
has depressed me since May. Consistently inconsistent play. Ball crunching losses. No more RFL. Donated home runs. And now this turd sandwich of a move. It seems like each one of our roster moves was preceded by someone in the FO saying “Well, I guess we gotta do something…fuck it!” To me, compared to the rest of this season, Miles has seemed like positive.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Just four short months ago...
we were laughing at the Astros for giving Pete Happy $4.5 million; we were laughing at the Cubs for giving Aaron Miles $4.9 million; we were laughing at the Brewers for giving Jeff Suppan $42 million… and we were debating whether the Cardinals were a 110 win team or just a 100 win team.
Now all these guys are on OUR roster, we’re headed for 88 wins, and the Reds lead by Walt Jocketty and 2/3 of the MV3 are pulling away from us.
This is a Shakespeare-grade turn of events…
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Aug 19, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
sorry, but anybody who thought the cards were a 100-110 win team was fooling themselves.
i believe i said 90+ wins which sounded right then, and sounds right now.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I think guazimi was making a point.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
okay, well, i wasn't in that "we" and i don't know who was.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
The Cardinals...
were almost universally picked to finish first in the NL Central. Pecota I think had them around 95 wins prior to the season. The big four were projected to provide 20+ WAR. Once we started 18-8 and Garcia and Penny looked like world beaters the hope and expectation of 100 wins was rampant on VEB and not without reason. Not saying everyone felt this way, but my recollection was that it was widespread.
Even now the team is on pace for 92 wins and the feeling of disappointment is quite widespread. That would seem to indicate that many expected a 100 win team.
Fire La Russa!
hmm. i'm sure some people had crazy expectations. i don't recall 100+ wins being bruited about here as a serious or widespread expectation.
i also don’t recall anyone projecting 20 WAR from four players.
in fact the major “letdown” of the season was that i thought we’d be the only NL central team to approach 90 wins. the big surprise is not that we’ve done poorly but that the reds haven’t.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
They were 25+ last year...
Rasmus, Ludwick, Ryan, and Molina were 12. Expecting more from the first two and less from the second two along with 8 war from Garcia, Lohse, and Penny, that puts us at 40. Add another 4 from third, second, bench, and bullpen… That’s 44. Add 48 wins for replacement level we’re at 92. Then take the fact that we were 18-8 when optimism was at its peak, adjust upward for Garcia and Freese… Is 100 wins still a crazy expectation?
Fire La Russa!
this is kind of confusing
big four = 20 war
little four = 12 war
Garcia, Penny, Lohse = 8 war
everyone else = 4 war
replacement = 48
hot start + freese and Garcia kicking ass = +8 (?)
=
100
Fire La Russa!
i did not understand your big 4 were carpenter, pujols, waino, and holliday.
but yes, that arithmetic is not a fair-minded projection. that’s a “what if everybody stayed healthy and played over their heads” projection. projecting 52 total wins above replacement for a team? just giving an eyeball to total pitcher wins and batter/fielder wins above replacement, that was the red sox, the rays, and the yankees last year.
i love me some cards, but thinking that we were the 2009 boston red sox would have been crazy and homerish.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Actually had them at 44 war
then, once they started 18-8 with good performance from Garcia and Penny, that got a lot of people (me included) to start think 100+ wins. The 100 win versus 110 win optimism kicked in after the hot start, not prior to the season.
Fire La Russa!
and then you added 8 wins to 44. which makes 52.
92 is remarkably close to where we should be. adding those 8 extra wins out of nowhere is just unexplained. that’s like saying we’ve added an extra pujols.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
We added an extra Pujols!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yeah...
I don’t know what the value of an 18-8 start is along with surprisingly good performances from guys that were question marks (Garcia, Freese, Penny). 92 wins is a 57% win percentage. So if a team wins 57% of their games after an 18-8 start, they would win 95 games on the year. But then you figure if a team wins 18 of its first 26, maybe they were better than a 92 win team to begin with…
Fire La Russa!
Comparisons to 2005 were being bandied about on this board in April.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
THAT ROBOT CURSED US
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hello
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Aug 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
new Futurama tonight
shall take some of the sting off this unfortunate day/week for Cardinal baseball
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I was one of the loons thinking (as far back as this offseason post Penny and Holliday signings)
this team had a legitimate shot at 04-05 era dominance.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
that Jockety is on crafty old man
"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean
It's looking like Walt, Jimmy and Scotty
will indeed get the last laugh.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Feliz was never very good, everybody thinks he's past his prime and he's coming to STL
Maybe Dave Duncan can teach him a sinker and rejuvenate his career
by bobohilario on Aug 19, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
And here's the piece de resistance!!!
We actually made a division team better while we got worse at the same time!!!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I think we made 2 teams better.
The Astros and the Reds.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Don't forget the Padres
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
and any team on a losing streak who needs a pick-me-up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
what I don't get is why they didn't promote Gotay
even before this trade. I can understand that there were no good third basemen available. but I can’t understand the fact that they didn’t bring up Gotay. unless Tony demanded another proven veteran, that’s the only way to explain the move really.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
I'm going to stick by my
we need someone that’s not going to kill Albert explanation
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand why the fuck they didn't give T Greene the third base job
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
My reaction in three links
Michael’s reaction upon realizing Toby had returned.
“The Greatest Freak Out Ever” video my daughter showed me once.
Gordon Ramsay losing his mind. As usual. There’s some cursing in this one.
So something like this then.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
Wow - is that middle one real?
He didn’t take that too well. Also, at about 1:10 it looks like he tries to shove a TV remote up his bum, which doesn’t seem all that helpful.
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 19, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
naw it's fake.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
doesn't make it right
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A slightly more optimistic perspective
Yes, Feliz is not great. Indeed, he is not even good right now (or arguably ever), but there isn’t much of a downside here as far as I’m concerned. All that we have done is added another option at little cost. Maybe Feliz comes over and gets hot. Maybe he returns to his defensive form of years past. Maybe not. The point is that we weren’t going to get Inge and there wasn’t much else out there. Something had to be done, and if that something cost us little more than a low-ceiling reliever, I am okay with that.
In-house options you say? They are still there. If Feliz goes 1 for 20 on the next roadtrip, we can always call up Greene and give him a shot. Grabbing Feliz did not limit us in any way. It just added an option. That’s the important thing here: options, options, options. The more the better.
My two cents.
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Aug 19, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
wont be 1 for 20 though
I’d bet Feliz gets at least 50 PAs. He can really do a lot of damage to a contending team in that timespan, even compared to, say, Tyler Greene or Ruben Gotay. He’s really, really bad. I didn’t realise quite how bad until looking at his numbers. He’s just not squaring up to the ball at all this year.
<13% linedrive rate. >15% infield flyball rate. That’s what most PITCHERS’ hitting lines look like.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
As an Astros’ fan, I’’ll try to give you a positive spin. First, I think Feliz’s defensive ability hasn’t declined to the extent that the defensive metrics indicate this year. I think it’s a small sample size issue. Feliz’s problems seemed to revolve around a few errors, which may have resulted from pressing and trying to do too much. Moving to 1st base on occasion, a less familiar position, may have hurt his fielding rhthym too. My guess is that Feliz is still a positive defender, but not as good as his former days with the Giants. Second, Feliz is a bad overall offensive player but he also is the type of veteran whom TLR seems to know how to squeeze offense out of. The horror of Feliz’s offense was mostly confined to RHP, and he was an average hitter when he faced LHP this year. Also, Feliz’s offense has improved during August—which isn’t hard, considering how bad he had been. Feliz probably is due for some more positive regression. I also think Feliz, who is a well liked guy, could have a rejuvenated attitude in a pennant race. Feliz had given up his starting position to a rookie in Houston. That’s the best spin I can give you.
I like this from the Astros’ perspective, because it eliminates that awkward situation where the manager feels like he has to replace the rookie (Chris Johnson) every so often so that he didn’t bury the veteran.
by clack on Aug 19, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
clack, clank, and chalk
heh
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that's it....
I’m switching my screen name to cluck
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 19, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hell yeah
awesome! rec
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed your post btw
rec’d it
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
that show is bleeding hilarious.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
If you're correct, then we can play Lopez at second against LHP
and Lopez at 3B against RHP? Nice try to make us feel better about this. Not sure I buy it though.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for trying to make us feel better.
this has been a very frustrating season. Perhaps Feliz will be ok defensively. Maybe Mo has a rabbit in a hat and he will magically find more offense also.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Nice try,
but he is just not good at baseball. I would have taken Counsell, Blum, Barmes, Inge, Gotay, M. Carpenter, Allen Craig, and my left testicle to play 3rd base before Pedro Feliz.
(but not you Aaron Miles, go back to the bench!)
'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----
he's Albert's bodyguard dude
chill out
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the funniest thing I've heard today Chitown.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
:)
at some point you’ve gotta step back and stop taking this stuff so seriously.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You make a good point about his hitting vs LHP
which is something we struggle against. If he ONLY plays against them maybe it’s not so bad.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
what an off-kilter, bizarre, inexplicable season
I realize that injuries have played a big part in this, but still…
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm actually looking forward to watching the next month and a half of the regular season
but I’m worried that either the Cards or the Reds will be swept in the postseason
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta go with that.
We could be so completely out of it like Houston…oh hell, just pick another NL central team that isn’t us or the Reds.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
if we made the post-season
we’re winning it all baby!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
don't you say that about Randy Winn!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
does anyone know why Votto is showing up as day to day for injury concerns?
not sure what happened to him
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
Did he beat up the father of his common-law wife in the family living room next to the clubhouse and tear a ligament in his hand?
Because, after K-Rod did that, he showed up as “day-to-day” on my fantasy team. Then, I released him and, in doing so, let go of any hope I had of winning my league. Not that anyone gives a (hoot).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like the joke that says
that the mets defriended k-rod on facebook
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Mo is trying to trick the league.
He’s trying to make the other teams think that we have our third base picture sewn up so when Inge, or somebody worth a roster spot, becomes available then nobody else will claim him. Then after we get our real thrid basemen we can DFA Feliz.
On a serious note, I live in San Francisco and this guy sucks. The only thing good about him is the way our announcer used to sound when she said “now batting, Pedro Feyyylissse.” Tyler Greene is a much better option at third, IMHO.
NorCal CARDS FAN
one wonders how badly Greene was hurt, or what's the deal with him
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
hurt enough to be playing in the minors currently
i suspect he could be playing if they wanted but my best guess is enough people in the org wanted that proven vet over the kid
I wonder if the org is just pissed off at how he handled getting demoted / going on the DL.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
All part of a 86 step plan
(3. tank vs Cubs and Brewers
49. trade for Pedro Feliz
84. Hypnotize all MLB organizations)
to acquire Longoria
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
... Profit!
Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte
new moniker
I think I’ll just change my ID to “Gritty Proven Veteran” and try to upgrade my standing.
by Remember Kenny B on Aug 19, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
you'll be playing 3rd base in a week!
Good luck and can I have your autograph?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. I have a new signature!
Gritty Proven Veteran
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 19, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Computer problem...
I cracked my laptop when I dropped it and now it’s missing a chunk of plastic in the corner above the screen. The weird thing is that flies keep crawling in, but they never come out…
Fire La Russa!
Congrats!
You now have a high-tech bug zapper. Every redneck in the world will want one, just to fit in.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you hate me, John Mozeliak?
Why?
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
Watch: Albert's going to win the Triple Crown and the team will finish with 84 wins.
God I hate this season.
by mattisnotfrench on Aug 19, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
39% of the voters at stltoday.com need to be shot
wait,, no,, that would be a waste of some perfectly good ammo
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Would it?
Seems like it would do a lot of good.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 19, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Would free up plenty of tickets...
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
also would probably correlate
in a significant drop in payroll.
Course maybe they can court Feliz to step in for Albert after 11. (Houston even prepped him there for us! Another winning transaction!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 19, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Mario Mendoza had a career .245 OBP
Feliz is at .243 this season. Just saying…
We’ve picked up Miles, Suppan, Macdougal, Winn, and now Feliz. What could go wrong?
yeah but he has .003 higher wOBP
than Miles! We can throw him in as our everyday starters right?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Once again, Winn shouldn't get lumped in that group
His .247 .333 .404 has been about as good as you can expect from a 5th outfielder who gets sparse playing time.
Not afraid to nitpick
No he shouldn't really
I’m just saying we’ve added 172 years of veteran goodness this summer, so I’m sure everything is going to turn out just fine.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got off work, and reality is now starting to set in.
Starting to feel like it’s time to hang ‘em up for this season. With all the Miles and Suppan, and now Feliz…I really just don’t know if I can bear to watch this team feign playoff hopes for the rest of the year.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
But then, maybe we're looking at it all wrong. This trade wasn't for Feliz -- it was for cash!
We did receive $ in the deal right?
Clearly the Astros agreed to pay off the entire Pujols extension. Genius, Mo, you’re incredible!
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 19, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
that's why this team is so frustrating
now watch ‘em reel off 4 or 5 in a row and you’ll be right back in the playoff or bust mindset.
Has the corresponding move been announced?
Craig back to Memphis?
Winn released?
We all know Miles is safe…
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 19, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
if only
but it looks like a straight larue for feliz
by guillermozeliak on Aug 19, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
LaRue was already on the DL.
There needs to be another move, I think.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
right
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Seems like it has to be one of Miles, Stav, Winn or Craig.
I’ll wish for Miles, hope for Winn, and put money on Craig.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno
Given the playing time between Craig, Winn, and Stavionha, I doubt if it will be craig this time. Doubt if it would be Winn or Miles because they would have to be DFA’d. So I’d assume Stavinoha.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Somehow I forgot they could just send Stav down.
You’re right.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably because he looks / plays like a mid-30s journeyman
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think it's gotta be Stavino....
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
I forgot about Stav…I still think it’ll be Craig, though.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 19, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
completely forgot about larue being on the 15 day
i do think it will be craig too
by guillermozeliak on Aug 20, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Larue is out for the season.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
This did not really happen, did it?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
yes mattyfrommo, it most certainly, unfortunately did happen.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
wait, this happened...and there's no game tonight?
Geez, I’m gonna go pull a David Carradine
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
Would you rather watch a game with Feliz and Miles in the starting lineup?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I am effin masochist
so…yeah.
If they managed to pull out a win, at leasti I’d have a bright spot in this day
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Fire John Mozeliak
I've watched baseball since 1988...
and this is the first time I can recall an acquisition of a player feeling like the end of a playoff push. In Mo’s defense, the options were rather limited, but I feel like he got the worst available option.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 19, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly woke up this morning,
thinking maybe today is the day of the next Larry Walker waiver trade. Today is the day the Cards shock everyone with the big deal. Turns out I was right, just wrong.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the days of Larry Walk waiver trades are long, loooooooooong gone my friend
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
DanUp not exactly soft-pedaling the situation over at SBN StL.
Cardinals Acquire Pedro Feliz, Downgrade Third Base Situation
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions
good for it
not sure I could stomach much more Cardinal crap today.
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean for Mo
or for the team?
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 19, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
there’s my analysis.
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
Feliz
LARRY BOROWSKY (Founder of Viva El Birdos and editor of "Maple Street Press Cardinals Annual")
It’s a terrible acquisition. Feliz makes the offense a lot worse – he has a career on-base percentage of .289 and grounds into double-plays by the bushel. And at age 35, he’s got nothing left – his .243 on-base percentage is about equivalent to the OBPs of most of the St. Louis pitchers. The Cardinals have struggled all year to sustain rallies; they’ll struggle even more with Feliz making three or four outs every game. No move at all would have been better than this one.
I couldn’t say it better. In one fell swoop Mozielk has shown himself to be a mediocrity. It’s a terrible deal, if for no other reason than it precludes the arrival of any real help.
That a look at the Philles, the Braves, the Giants – these people go out and get real players. The Cardinal front office is a joke, but it’s not funny ha, ha.
if only mo' got real players like the giants and braves did!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
why you be askin' me
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Aug 19, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Because I obviously can't ask deweydell based on the above comment.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
As Bad As Feliz Is - This could be an upgrade because
that is how terrible Lopez has become. Lopez cannot hit or catch the ball period right now. He is just about an automatic 0-4 as anyone and his defense is just as bad. Feliz is bad but I do think he is a better option than Lopez. So if it had to be Feliz to get Lopez off the hot corner then OK. My greatest disappointment is that they simply did not give Tyler Greene a shot at it.
I am also going to hold out hope that they might try to upgrade the offense by going after Johnson. Right now the defense has been improved but the offense may be even weaker. I think Johnson would make them better offensively and defensively. Just a glimmer of hope that maybe this might be a two – step move.
um, are you talking about Chris Johnson?
'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----
Oh ok, there are too many Johnson's
yes, thats what she said
'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----
My biggest beef with Mozeliak
I don’t have a problem with him picking up low-cost guys off the DFA pile. Maybe somehow coming to Saint Louis the guys will revitalize after stepping onto the field of Busch Stadium. I get it. But when it doesn’t work out Mozeliak has not the shown the ability to let go.
Feliz's Swing
I’m putting together a quick look at Feliz’s swing.
The bottom line is that it’s REALLY long, which is a problem.
More in a fasnpost in a bit.
I'd be interested
In a knee jerk reaction on Oscar Taveras’ swing from you.
Here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM6baIEOYrk&feature=related
Here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6o3IOwHHgc&feature=related
And here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiBYacJbTDg&feature=related
"The bottom line is that it's REALLY long, which is a problem."
TNWSS
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
certainly not about GDM she didn't
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I believe it's time for an intervention
We should set Mo down, explain how we all really care about him and that we just want what’s best, but his addiction to bad decisions are hurting everybody around him. Maybe his judgment is poor because he has fallen in with the wrong crowd. I never did like his little friend Tony.
Mo's acquisitions since end of '09 season:
Brad Penny
Felipe Lopez
Randy Winn
Aaron Miles
Jeff Supan
Mike MacDougal
Jake Westbrook (straight up for Ludwick)
Pedro Feliz
And let’s not forget the:
Matt Holliday mega contract
Multi-million dollar extensions for Ryan Franklin, Trever Miller, and Skip Schumaker.
The resume is not looking good.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 19, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Preaching to the Chior
I’ve been on the get mo off the wagon band wagon for a while now. But since I don’t like being in the majority by nature, maybe I’ll try and defend him from here on out.
The bandwagon
I don’t know if ever was on it, or am off it now, but I have less confidence in him than I did before the year.
I did pretty much tag the Miles acquisition on Tony, but you can’t just peg this all on the manager when it has now become a well established trend. He’s going to go rummaging, as his predecessor did. Of course, it flies directly in the face of the build from within philosophy that we were told forced his predecessor out.
Tony may have influence on this tendency, but these are all Mozeliak’s calls. He showed promise that he would make his own calls with the Duncan deal, and the stupidity that followed that. He has it in him to be his own man, so these are his moves. He thinks Feliz makes us better at 3rd. I disagree. As bad as it’s been there I think we probably just got worse.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
what if Bernie, Goold & Unistrauss are right about the other GM's not working with MO?
that could explain a lot
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
what do you mean?
or… what did i miss?
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
this past week on the radio & twitters all three have mentioned
that nearly every GM in baseball thinks MO stole Walt’s job & that’s been a reason why deals have not been made & why the Cards have given up more talent than any other teams. they offered no proof except they said it was a known fact, they all said the Oswalt to Philly & the Edmonds trade to the natti were just the most recent examples of no one dealing fairly with MO & Walt’s friends having his back & trying to get revenge on the Cards
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
you've got to be shitting me...
I listen to Bernie on a daily basis and somehow I missed this. So Mo stole Jocketty’s job like he stole the previous GM of the Reds job?
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
ya, somehow Walt's spin it really good & apparently that's the perception around the league
and Walt’s friends aren’t going to deal fairly with the Cards. whether at Walt’s bidding or on their own out of friendship for him. how Walt doesn’t look bad for taking all the credit for someone else’s work i’ll never know
here’s one interview with strauss that mentions it a little. there was another one i can’t find & the one with Goold where they really went into it
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
ok, that's the wrong one
they don’t have the days up on either one of their site, this sucks. i’ll email them & see if they’ll put tuesdays audio up
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Billy Bean sure wasn't afraid to make a deal!
Not to mention the Padres and Indians guys.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya , I'm pretty sure the
Pads had no problem taking RFL!!! off of our hands.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
who the fuck wouldn't?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
exactly, he never should have been on the market
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
time for another letter to jmo's parents?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
end of summer term
to get on track for the critical fall semesteer
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Don't mind me, just messing around.
Lopez- .308 wOBA, .310 ZiPS (RoS), fWAR 0.7, bWAR 0.2, UZR/150 (3B) -0.7
Feliz- .241 wOBA, .279 ZiPS (RoS), fWAR -1.5, bWAR -2.1, UZR/150 (3B) -7.9
Greene- .348 wOBA, .294 ZiPS (RoS), fWAR 0.3, bWAR 0.2, UZR/150 (3B) -37 (only 21 innings)
Yeah, I know. Small-to-microscopic sample sizes, for Greene especially. (shrug)
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
the rest of the season is a sss
all are a gamble
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
all i'm saying is predicting the outcome for anyone over that period is
problematical
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
problematical
that’s not a word….
don’t mind me, but i’ll be using this in my english class tomorrow
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 20, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
you'll be fine
somebody put it in the dictionary
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
hawppppppppppppppppppppe for winn
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
so how many 25th men do we have now?
Miles, Winn, Macdougal, Suppan, and now Feliz? Am I leaving someone out?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
how could i forget about fat miles?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
what about hawksworth?
does he qualify for the club?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
thats seven 25th men
8 if you count porn-stache-less larue
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Taking stars and scrubs and turning it up to 11
Perhaps taking a few too many liberties with the “scrubs” part of the plan?
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Stav, LaRue (sorta)
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 19, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it like looking at an accident on the side of the road?
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, we're driving
I laughed at the Cubs when they signed Miles. I laughed at the Brewers when they gave Suppan that contract. I laughed when the Astros signed Feliz.
And then we picked them all up. Not laughing anymore. Yeah, we aren’t paying them much. That’s hardly the point at this stage of their careers, and our season.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Negative target fixation
Don’t screw up like those guys. Don’t screw up like those guys. Don’t screw up like those guys. Don’t screw up like those guys. Don’t screw up like those guys.
Oh crap, we screwed up like those guys.
Just because something's cheap doesn't mean it's a bargain
My dad saved a lot of money buying crap.
But at the end of the day all he did was buy a lot of crap.
you should have laughed
at the Red Sox for adding Adrian Beltre
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
haven't heard or seen yet
what will be the corresponding roster move? Craig back to Memphis? THAT will make this team better.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i'm going to take an optimistic stab at this one.
and say miles will be DFA’d tomorrow.
actually i take that back. stavinoha will be assigned tomorrow. i guarantee this will take place.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ya, I think Stav goes down.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
IF that doesn't happen,
then somebody needs to lose their job, because they are entirely too stupid to let live.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
dude you said reds were going to lose
and you also guaranteed cards would win this division by 2 games at least…so…. umm….
just saying
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 20, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
remember what i said about writing checks you can't cash?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
This is a downright horrible move
I come to work in the morning(you guys know I live in Korea), boot up my computer, visit VEB first as always, then can’t believe my eyes.
Pedro Feliz? WTF!?
This guy amassed a robust -1.5 WAR so far in this season, THE WORST IN MAJORS.
Matt Carpenter’s MLE from this year’s cumulative stats is .246/.334/.362, and TotalZone thinks Carpenter’s defense at 3B is slight above average. Meanwhile, Feliz’s ZiPS RoS projection is .242/.276/.358. Oliver projects a similar .239/.279/.351. ’Nuff said.
Cardinals fan from Korea
and let me tell ya
it doesn’t feel any better 9 hours laters
Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"
But they traded David Carpenter.
A relief pitcher at Palm Beach
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 19, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Might have been saying to just call him up
if this is the alternative.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, that would make sense.
My bad.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I need to take more ESL courses
to say something clearer. :)
Cardinals fan from Korea
by FreeRedbird on Aug 19, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think your english is excellent, FWIW
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
better'n most
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I was trying to say Matt Carpenter is just a better option at 3B than Pedro Feliz.
You really don’t have to trade anything for Pedro Feliz, really.
Cardinals fan from Korea
by FreeRedbird on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny how identical Oliver and ZIPS are
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
PECOTA is more generous to Feliz
It projects a much better .265/.315/.338 for the rest of season. Still considerably worse than Matt Carpenter’s MLE, though.
Cardinals fan from Korea
How much of a prospect is Matt Carpenter?
Do we want to start his service time clock early for a slighty upgrade to our team?
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not much of a prospect guy,
but I’d never heard of him until about 2-3 weeks ago. You?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
same, but I haven't been following baseball as much recently
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
13th round draft pick in 2009
But he’s hitting .308/.414/.457 over his career, and .334/.438/.525 in AA this season at age 24. 6-3, 200 pounds, Seems to be a pretty advanced hitter and is a legimiate 3rd baseman.
So yeah, I have no idea why we’re not bringing him up, it’s not like he’s some 20 year old stud prospect, his upside is probably David Freese.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't be any worse than Feliz Navidad.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
My asshole can't be worse than Felix Navidad
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It's true. That's a nice asshole.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Like, I'd give it a medal of some sort.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Aye, Aye, Cap'n.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
over the line
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
btw...
have you watched this yet?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The Big Lebowski.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Thta's something from Taco Bell?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
yes, the #8
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
For the love of fuck,
you live in LA and you ask me what this is?
Get the fuck off my lawn.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he's only 15, he's not allowed to watch R movies yet
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
17, as of last week
I can stroll right into a rated R movie these days. Hell, I could saunter.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
happy bday dude
and congrats on the sauntering, i 6ly thought you were still 16
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
holy shit
im older than you? im fucking shocked!
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 23, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not taking it bowling
It’s not taking your fucking turn…
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
IT HAS FUCKING PAPERS
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
FROM MOSES TO SANDY KOUFAX YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE PAST
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
3000 years of beautiful tradition.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Enjoying my cup of coffee...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
shut the fuck up, Fritz.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I can get you a toe... Believe me, there are ways....
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i saw about the first half edited on spike i think it was
a few months ago, but i still haven’t seen the whole thing. i stopped watching because it was heavily edited & i hate watching edited movies
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
...
Seriously dude, rent the unedited. And watch it ten or so times.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
HAHA, ya that's exactly what it was like
when was that made? shouldn’t it be in the 99cent bin by now?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
anyone know which dvd is the best?
the collectors edition or the 10th anniversary edition?
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Not sure, but there's this
Their fourth and latest attempt, dubbed the “10th Anniversary Edition”, manages to split the difference: it’s only available on standard-def at the moment, but the bonus features represent what we should’ve gotten three years ago.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Eat at Taco bell and see if you can still say that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I swore I would never eat at that place ever again
Not since the last time.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
How many teams do you think would bring a prospect like Carpenter up if
they were in our situation, rather than acquire Feliz or a Feliz-ish player?
Regardless of the answer I wish the Cardinals were one of them.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 20, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd try Greene or Craig at 3B first
But for whatever reason, it seems like TLR doesn’t view them as viable options, so I suggested another in-house option in Carpenter. Feliz has played well below replacement level this season, so there are plenty of better players over there.
Cardinals fan from Korea
it projects a better OBP than he's ever had in his career?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Is it too late to try Mather at 3B again instead?
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
Dude hasn't hit all year......
although Amaury is tearing up the PCL lately. That’s what this team needs, Amaury will save us all.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'd take it over Feliz.
Mather’s like the 8th best in-house option we have, but he’s still gotta be better than Feliz. And, he’s free.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Aug 19, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Walton
In the last week, Memphis OF Amaury Cazana is 14-for-25 (.560) with three home runs and 12 RBI. #stlcards #hpgf
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Seriously. What is with this guy and why is he not up here?
by Mulliganstew on Aug 20, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe a man who bends time-space and takes down helicopters with his bat
just wouldn’t be a good clubhouse fit………..?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
There's no way they can add him to the 40, but I'd love to see him next month.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
3 Run HR by Ramon Hernandez put Cinci up 3-0 against the DBacks...
I love how they were complaining about how Philly and LA were ‘rolling over’ for us. Look at their last two series.
'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----
this is such a joke.
i just wish they would play someone. ANYONE.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean like Pittsburgh, Houston, Milwaukee, and Chicago?
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
We had our chance...
we lost four in a row to the Cubs and Brewers – that’s the Cubs team that got swept by the Padres and the Brewers team that sent the two worst starting pitchers in the NL this year not named Rodrigo Lopez.
We had the division lead, and we can’t close out these teams, we can’t close shit, we are shit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TROhlThs9qY
Fire La Russa!
the cardinals definitely had their bad moments, yes.
but god, cincy hasn’t played anyone in going on two full weeks.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
it's true.
but they just haven’t played a team worth a damn since the cardinals. it’s just frustrating.
however, the cardinals get the pirates, nationals, and astros coming up with 4/10 games being started by carp/waino. the cardinals might have to go 8-2 to save their season.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Who the fuck have we played?
It ain’t Cincy’s fault we suck out loud.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
We only suck against the ass of baseball.
Which boggles my mind.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
btw, y'all might want to avoid Joe Strauss.
I mean, more than usual. he’s practically cackling.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I wouldn’t fuck him with Kip Well’s vagina.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
can it play third base?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Too big for MLB regulation
Otherwise it would be much better than the gloves we’ve been putting out there
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 20, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Hey remember when . . .
Johnny Cueto kicked Jason Larue repeatedly in his head and ended his career and got slammed with a seven game suspension.
Sad. But. True. (I’m afraid)
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Committed assault and was suspended from WORKING one day
'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----
But, in the league's defense
if they had suspended him more, he may have been at risk to have injured himself and the players safety is the most important aspect to consider here. Oh, wait.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by that logic
there should be no off season
he can still throw his bullpens every two days and toss simulated games, etc.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Aug 19, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, remeber when Jason LaRue attacked someone
and got kicked in the head trying to do so?
He made his bed.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
LaRue didn't actually attack anyone.
unless I missed something in the multiple replays and screenshots. he was rather controlled and un-mustached for Jason LaRue.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How can you say that.
Cueto kicked Carp well before Larue jumped in.
That’s a bullshit comment fritz.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Look at d-dee's fan post
LaRue was trying to go after Cueto.
Kicking is bush leauge (at best) but LaRue was not innocent there.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I did look at the fan post and the gif......
Carp was kicked twice before Larue got there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
WHILE LaRue was trying to get there.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Cueto's already kicking when that
gif starts. Larue saw him brace and start kicking at Carp, and charged after that. The only Card near Cueto when he started kicking was Carp.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Well then LaRue is a fucking idiot.
He did himself no favors in my eyes the next day when in an interview he claimed to be minding his own business and was randomly kicked. He got in a fight and got kicked in the face. Sorry if it wasn’t faught by gentleman rules, but thats what happens.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
He might be an idiot,
but he’s a loyal idiot.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm not blaming him for anything
(Or Cuetto, either, really - sometimes in a fight, you do nasty shit — I pulled a Mike Tyson and bit a dude’s ear in a fight before, ain’t proud of it, but he stopped trying to fight me) Just saying he made his own bed.
I’d take 24 of him on my team, though.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I agree.....
where I come from, there’s no such thing as a fair fight…..That said, this is MLB, not Butte, MT. And I agree, I’d take 24 of him on my team, as long as we’re brawling, and not playing baseball. That would be ugly.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Better than 24 Pedro Felizes(?) Felizites(?) Felizen(?)
Maybe.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Merry Christmas to you, too.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Hehehe
Butte
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
dude you need to either stop drinking or start. i'm not sure which
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
He's literally trying to get Cuetto.
And gets kicked in the face in the process.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i would have done the same thing if my best friend was being attacked by a sissy
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
And I would have blamed you if said sissy kicked you in the face.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
oh i get what you're saying now
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I lost my two front teeth when my best friend got in a bar fight.
You know who’s fault it was? Mine. I knew what I was getting into when I got involved in it.
I feel the same about LaRue.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i got into an encounter with a reds fan on twitter today
he defended cueto saying that if larue didn’t want to get hurt he should have never come out of the dugout in the first place. and then proceeded to say cueto was just defending himself. and then called carp and yadi bitches.
i’m almost to the point where i just don’t want the reds to fucking win because of their damn fans. they’re douchier than brewer fans in ’07.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
They are just like how Brewers fans were...
they started winning one season, got all hyped up, and pinned themselves as the big bad leaders of the central division.
when they are back at the bottom of the division next year, just like the lowly Brewers, maybe they’ll understand a little bit about what it takes to be champions.
If they do make it to the playoffs this year, expect a massive pitching meltdown.
'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----
i fully expect the east winner to hand it to them in 3 or 4 games.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
hi, troll.
goodbye, troll.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh...I thought it well played.
Cincy isn’t going away. Blame luck, blame the schedule, whatever.
They’re winning games and beating teams they should beat. The Cards aren’t.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
...this week.
the cardinals could very easily go on a 6 game winning streak of their own starting tomorrow.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can't win any one...
of four games against two of the worst teams in the NL while facing some of their worst pitchers, how can you look at the schedule and prognosticate anything.
Fire La Russa!
TO REVIEW:
Opponent, STL record / CIN record
CHI, 4-5 / 10-3
HOU, 5-7 / 7-2
MIL, 6-6 / 4-1
PIT, 5-1 / 8-5
Overall, 20-19 / 29-11
It ain’t been just this week.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
but if you look at the H2H record between the clubs that difference basically cancels otu.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Um...Cards hold the edge 10-5
That gives Cincy 34-21 vs the NLC, and St. Louis 30-24.
That’s not “basically” cancelling the difference versus the other teams.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
okay dude, you've made your point.
but i’m still going to think that the reds are an overachieving team that is still liable to go 15-13 in september while the cardinals are an underachieving team that could still go 21-10 in september.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the reds are winning because
they are consistently beating teams a notch worse then them
we aren’t
we are playing better against better teams than the reds
we got the easy one in front of us
just do it
yea, mr happy
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
fuck you, fuck your pussyasslittlebitch team & fuck your poison nut loving state
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah
I have a feeling that whichever team wins the NLC will be out of the playoffs in 3 or 4 games, just like the last three NLC champs
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there's a team in baseball built more for the playoffs than the Cardinals at this point
Dogshit 5th starter and a team with a few legitimate stars who could basically carry an offense over 7 games.
Not afraid to nitpick
completely agree.
you realize the cardinals could throw wainwright/carpenter 3 times in a 5 game series and 4 times in a 7 game series? coincidentally, that’s all you need in order to win the thing.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Just gotta get there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he's an ass. don't let him get to you.
You would think that normal people would re-consider since LaRue (a former Red) is seriously injured enough he needs to miss the rest of the season. Concussions can be very serious. I would hope most of their fans would act better than that.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
oh, none of the reds fans get to me. ever.
i just can’t stand how entitled they act. all the time. it’s disgusting.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck them & fuck their fans
by the time OSU & the rest of college handegg start, their fans will loose interest & go away
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
I hope the two of you are happy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
This comment is the scaries of them all
weird as it feels
i think tlr is right about craig not playing 3rd. they should get a real 3rd baseman somehow, and have him replace miles.
craig should concentrate on learning to hit mlb pitching and playing right field, which he seems fine at to me so far
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I’m going
by sportsman
I reply
You get what you wish for
Pedro Feliz
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
obligatory
SO IT WAS YOU
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 20, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
That's still a true statement
Not that I’d take him over Gotay or Greene or Felipe, the bar of “is he better than Aaron Miles?” is an extremely short one both literally and figuratively.
Not afraid to nitpick
Haha...
Omar Olivares career hitting stats:
AB’s – 242, Runs – 25, Hits – 58, doubles – 10, triples – 1, HR’s – 5, RBI – 29, TB – 85, BB – 6, K’s – 71, AVG/OBP/SLUG – .240/.257/.351
Pedro Feliz this season:
AB’s – 289, Runs – 22, Hits – 64, doubles – 12, triples – 1, HR’s 4, RBI – 31, TB – 90, BB – 9, K’s 31, AVG/OBP/SLUG – .224/.243/.311
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 19, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
woot Reynolds...
I would have preferred to give up the good Carpenter plus more for that guy…
Fire La Russa!
chris?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Aug 19, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Cards are underacheiving in the NL Central
Big reason why the Reds are currently ahead… The Cardinals are 15-18 against division rivals Milwaukee, Houston and Chicago. Against those same three teams, the Reds are 21-5.
"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Aug 19, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Now yoiu see thi s is what happens
i got out anf get utterly fucking pissed one night… ONE FUCKINF NIGHT and the CRADS decide to acquire some dogshit third baseman,
WHAT THE FYUCCK
WHAT THEFUCK INDEED
ITS COLBERIN' TIME
by Aranathor on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
but you're pissed every night
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
is he pissed
in the British or American sense of the word, is what I’ve been mulling over.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I think both work right now actually
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That's pretty much where I'm at as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
has anyone tried Maker's 46 yet? i'm really, really disappointed
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
Not a whisky guy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
so, taking out injuries and roster moves, this could be our roster right now
lineup:
skippy 2b
ludwick rf
pujols 1b
holliday lf
rasmus cf
freese 3b
molina c
pitcher p
ryan ss
rotation:
waino
carp
penny
garcia
lohse
bench:
lopez/greene/jay/craig/larue.
that just goes to show how decimating injuries and poor roster management has been this year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
I was about to post something along these lines. Had the team been less injury prone and the Red been hit with (Red) bird fever, I wonder what the standings would be like?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
whoops "Reds" been stricken with Redbird fever
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
We lost...
Penny and Lohse for 32 combined starts, and Freese for 40 games. We replaced them with Suppan, Hawksworth, and Miles/Feliz/Lopez.
They lost Volquez and Harang for 25 combined starts, and Ramon Hernandez for 40 games. They replaced them with LeCure/Wood Bailey (140 innings, 126 hits allowed, 137K, 61BB, 4.08 ERA) and Ryan Hanigan (.284/.380/.403). Then when they lost Cabrera, Janish came in with a .291/.368/.445.
The injury excuse doesn’t hold any water.
Fire La Russa!
i wasn't using the exercise as an excuse.
just as a “fun” way to look back at what the roster could be.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
their second line
better than ours
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Going into the season...
with three major injury risks in the rotation (Carp, Garcia, and Penny) and Hawksworth/Walters as the #6/7 starter was a major mistake. In years past we’ve had Boggs, Thompson, and Reyes in reserve – while certainly not world beaters they were somewhat sturdier than this year’s crop.
Fire La Russa!
well, boggs is still here.
and you might say “but he has an important bullpen position” which is true, but salas would have been more than capable of filling that position.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed...
18 starts by Soup, Hawksworth, and Walters have just killed us… 91 innings, 120 hits, 53K, 39BB, 56 runs allowed.
And it was totally predictable. Everyone knew those three would completely suck. Why not stretch out KMac or Boggs…. At least they have decent stuff (sort of, in the case of KMac) – then replace them with Salas or Sanchez.
Fire La Russa!
exactly
btw you might want to throw ottavino’s starts in there. you know, just for fun.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
he sucked. But I kind of liked him seeing as he was pulling it together at Memphis. The other three were certified no-hopers.
Fire La Russa!
got it.
and yeah, that’s true. no one expected walters, hawksworth, or suppan to be any good. and (surprise, surprise), they weren’t.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
plus
betting heavily that both penny and lohse would recover and pitch the whole year
hindsight says poor judgment and/or poor understanding of these guy’s real medical situation
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Clearly the Reds replacement players vastly better than the Cards'. Question for me is were the Reds' replacements better than the Cards' starters?
Great stats by the way. Good show on the research..
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Pitching wise
They are in much better shape to deal with injuries. What they don’t have in top end talent they have in depth.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
any word on motte?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
I beet we don't see him till Sept. 1
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i miss him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He threw 10 pitches off the mound 2 days ago.
I’m not sure that’s good.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I bet as well
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I give up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
um...
blaine boyer just got stubbs-votto-rolen to go down in order.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 19, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
. . .another Cards' experiement surfaces. Hector Luna the 2nd. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
can we forget about
Luna..really, and grudZ and dare i say….
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
by punchinjudy on Aug 20, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
So, this O'Fallon Smoked Porter- not too bad. Much better than I expected.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 20, 2010 12:41 AM EDT reply actions
I second that notion
Fuck Joe Morgan!
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate this season.
I really do. They should have the decency to go on a 15 game winning streak and ice the thing or a 10 game losing streak just to save us the heartache.
by mattisnotfrench on Aug 20, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so I guess
if you found a way to hate the 2009 season
joke’s on you?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I loved the 2009 team
and I thought the 2010 team would be better (and have a more interesting and young bench)
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 20, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, the bench was wobbly last year too
it’s one of those things. the young hitters needed at-bats so they kept getting sent back down. and then a whole passel of veterans got knocked out at the same time, and the young hitters weren’t cutting it enough to get back up.
with a few exceptions that really defy logical explanation.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Dan Mac arrested on suspicion of DUI
just read it on a twitter feed and then the story on the mothership
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:20 AM EDT reply actions
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_b67270f9-e8b4-59a7-9f0a-6cee62b06c75.html
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks
sorry bout that
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 20, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Where?
and also, does anyone associated with this team know how to call a fucking cab?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
could they have found a worst pic of him?
and 6ly, i’m starting a biz to drive around athletes & “famous” people so they don’t kill themselves & others
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
so how does this work, now?
we find out someone’s a babydaddy?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He obviously wasn't thrilled about the Feliz signing either
Word on the street is that Al Hrbosky was shooting Vodka and playing Russian Roulette
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i genuinely feel like this team is worse than it was yesterdat
i’m heading into reactionary mode where i’m ready to concede the season
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
ever wonder how our new 3B fields against the dodgers in the playoffs?
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4897375
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Kinda like how our old 3B fielded against the Dodgers in the playoffs
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well according to FanGraphs
Feliz has been at least a 1.6 WAR player every year since 2002 (with the notable exception of this year). He seems like a good bet to give us around a .700 OPS and good defense. I’m much less down on this signing than at first glance.
he's projected for .634
he’s clearly in decline and currently at .555
i have no idea why you think he’s a good bet for .700
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
if he plays full-time from now on (~100 PAs the rst of the season)
assuming a .5 WAR decline from last year (which is generous, even considering he’s the exact same fielder as last year, he’d be giving us about 2 runs over the rest of the season. no one else can do that? carpenter/greene/gotay?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
-1 WAR on offense alone in 300 PAs
if he maintains that pace he’s costing us 3 runs over the rest of the season. the guys is just plain awful
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
if we normalize his defense
and assume he’s still +10 per 150 (entirely reasonable), he’s tied for 9th worst player in all of baseball with 3 other guys at -1 WAR
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
But that just doesn't mean that much
It’s still SSS.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
no , he's probably not that bad
but even the most optimistic estimates paint pretty shitty pictures. mo’ could have pulled 2 runs out of the farm
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I would rather see Matt Carpenter
But I think Feliz is a huge upgrade over Miles.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
no
well maybe. If Feliz is a +10 defender and Lopez is a -5 defender, they are probably around even.
I have no idea how good Feliz’ defense is these days. I know it’s been great for a while, but I’m not sure about this year.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Career OPS of .704
Has been between .694 and .717 every year since 2004. This year there is nothing markedly different about his offensive profile. Walk rate is slightly lower, strikeout rate is slightly lower, power numbers are a bit down. By far the biggest thing is BABIP, which is at .232 this year (although his LD rate is terrible).
I think it’s a bit hasty to write off a guy who’s been productive his entire career up until this season.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
he has a career high .308 OBP!
his HR/FB has been tanking for years. which, to me, indicates he’s falling off a cliff with his power, which is his ONLY offensive asset. his O-swing is a career high, his Z-swing is tied for second lowest of his career. and that .694 last year was fueled by that career high OBP, which was certainly the result of an inflated BABIP considering that his BB% declined. he fluked into an almost .700 OPS despite a declining BB% and the lowest SLG % of his career since being a full-time player
and yeah, his BABIP sucks, but it’s not that out of line with his career average of .267, which i think indicates that he’s a terrible hitter
the dude doesn’t have it anymore
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I think established projection systems like ZiPS and Oliver are fully aware of his productive career
and they still think he will suck for the rest of season.
Cardinals fan from Korea
I would hope that ZIPS isn’t aware of his productive career…
Feliz was usable because his glove was solid. He’s always been a fairly lousy hitter – he hasn’t been average or better offensively at 3rd since 2004.
by D.Szymborski on Aug 20, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Dan, how does ZIPS handle changes in BABIP compared to changes in K rate
I know when I do my pitcher projections I regress K rate much less than singles rate, but is it still possible that Feliz’s BABIP this year is being weighted too heavily?
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Lamentations
This year the Cards look very much like the 50´s Cards. They have a special talent to make medicore pitchers look like Cy Young candidates and their pitching (bullpen) hasn´t been as sharp as the stats indicate. I for one, miss David Freese, Ryan Ludwick and most of all, I miss Hal McRae although I was and still am a huge fan of Mark McGuire.
The Cards are arguabliy a
top 2 or 3 offensive team overall this year under Mac…..The problem is the score 12 runs or 2. Nothing in between.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
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