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Rotation Ramblings: What a Rotation Should Look Like and How to Get There

Have you ever woken up with one strong thought in your mind? And even though you try to look busy and focus your mind on something else, that lingering thought remains? Well, that happened to me today. I was thinking about consistency. I remembered the 2005 St. Louis Cardinals rotation. I remembered how I could always tell who was pitching the next day, without looking at the probables. I guess that's what a rotation is all about,  huh? Go from No. 1 to No. 5 and then back to No. 1. Not this shuffling and improvising of starters we have been accustomed to seeing. We had it all. We had excellent guys, good guys and OK guys who could get the job done. Heck, we even had a Silver Slugger amongst them. They placed the team in a position to win on a consistent basis.

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Now this year we have had 3 consistent pitchers. Carpenter, Waino and Jaime. And, we could have a fourth in Westbrook. Now, re-signing Westbrook has got to be a priority. He is the type of pitcher that excels under the tutelage of Dave Duncan. Re-signing him would make 4 starters for 2011.

Yet, we need a 5th one. Penny has been down all year and presents a risky option that doesn't fit with the whole consistency thing I was mulling over my cereal this morning. IMO, Lohse will, again, simply not fit this model of consistency. The guy has been dealing with injuries and is serving up meatballs faster than a cheap Italian restaurant. He is no better solution for our 5th starter hole than what Suppan or Hawksworth has been this year. I say we move him to a long reliever/mop up guy and look for some outside help, if possible.

Someone just regular. Ordinary. A guy with brown hair. A guy that likes pizza and always orders Coke in McDonald's. A guy with two kids and an SUV. A guy with a fastball, a change-up, a curveball and a slider, but nothing too flashy. Someone that wears jeans and a polo shirt on Sundays. Someone that had good grades in school, but not great. Perhaps he ran for Class President but never won. A guy that likes the James Bond movies and Casablanca, but has only seen them twice. A guy named Tim. Or Dave. Or John.

... Or Kevin.

Kevin Correia should be a free agent this season, provided the Padres don't re-sign him. He started 33 games last year and is on pace to start 30 this year. He had a 3.91 ERA last year and is currently sporting a 4.63 ERA. His FIP? About the same. 3.81 last year and 4.64 this year. He has had 20 games where he has thrown more than 100 pitches in his last two seasons. And the interesting thing? He has a 1.69 GO/FO ratio for this year. Something certainly appealing to Dave. He is currently on a 3.6 million dollar contract due to expire and you have to wonder if San Diego will re-sign him with their reduced payroll. If not... I say we go get him.

... Perhaps his name could be Noah.

With only 26 years, this one might be a tougher fish to catch. Something tells me San Fran will not hesitate in re-signing him. However, he does sport a 1.30 GO/FO ratio that is similar to what Pineiro had when he first came to the Lou. He is cheap at 1.365 million dollars, a figure that should go up, but not astronomically. He has quite a high FIP (4.89) but it fits a No. 5 slot. Again, if San Fran doesn't pick him up, I say we look alive and get him.

Looking at the upcoming FA class, I can say this two guys would the best options. Javier Vasquez might be too expensive, The D-train has de-railed, Bedard has a mutual option that might be picked up, Kuroda is expensive, Lilly is expensive, Padilla is old and has a 0.83 GO/AO ratio...

Anyways, these might be dreams of a better and actual, rotating rotation for next year and this is all assuming that these guys actually hit the market and the Cardinals forget all about Kyle Lohse as an 11 million dollar fifth starter. It's a dream about 5 guys that can go all year and put our team in a position to win ballgames virtually every time. Of bringing 2005 to today...

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Rotation next year?

Carp
Waino
Garcia
Lohse
Westbrook

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

The OP seems to forget about Lohse being here for a few more years. That isn’t going to change, and he is too darn expensive to stick in the pen. Not that I’d want him there either.

Lohse just needs to get healthy. If he does, there is no reason he can’t be fine as a 4/5 guy.

I do like Westbrook, though I’m not sure we’ll be able to get him cheaply enough. Time will tell I suppose.

by Stanley1 on Aug 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cannot Afford This

Carpenter’s 2010 Salary – $15.8M
Wainwright’s 2010 Salary – $4.8M
Garcia’s 2010 Salary – $0.4M
Lohse’s 2010 Salary – $9.1M
Westbrook’s 2010 Salary – $11M

Total Cost of this rotation (2010) – $41.1M

This rotation WILL cost more next year. While Garcia remains cost-friendly, they all get more cash. It’s remotely possible, but only if Westbrook accepts a modest salary adjustment. Here’s hoping.

by JWO on Aug 23, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me just add

Rotation = $41.1M
Pujols + Holliday will in 2011 = ~$43M

How much does that leave for the other 18 position players?…

by JWO on Aug 23, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate Mo

He’s the one who gave Kyle that outlandish contract.

by chuckb on Aug 27, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

on the other hand

why did they go out of their way to bring westbrook here? I’m thinking it goes beyond this year. this team is not going to be too predictable as to how big the payroll is

"Nah….He’s an infielder. Second base…..I played second base, how hard can it be?"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 24, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also.....

Pretty sure it goes Waino, Carp now. The pupil has overtaken the teacher in this case.

by Stanley1 on Aug 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

To take this into jedi-speak

Waino = Clone Wars Anakin
Carp = Clone Wars Obi-Wan

Both at the top of their game, young Skywalker has slightly more juice. Kenobi armed with luggage.

by JWO on Aug 23, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they can't re-sign Westbrook,

I would expect next year to be Kyle McClellan’s debut season as a starter.

I think he’d be fine if given a chance.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 19, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to acquire Brandon Webb under the radar if that's possible.

I would have to see more info on his injury, but he seems like a perfect candidate for a project. Hopefully he doesn’t get overpaid by a team like the Mets or something.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Aug 19, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Is $8 million cheap?
Brandon Webb’s agent told Steve Gilbert of MLB.com on Monday that his client expects a one-year deal worth around $8 million this winter.
He doesn’t seem likely to get it, at least not at this point. Webb, 31, has not thrown a pitch in a major league game since April of 2009 and only registered four total innings that season. Still, his agent Jonathan Maurer is comparing him to guys like Rich Harden, Brad Penny and Tim Hudson.

Rotoworld Link

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by TBender on Sep 9, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be surprised

if Brandon Webb ever returned to being even a useful starting pitcher. I think for all intents and purposes that he’s done.

by chuckb on Aug 27, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

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