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Cardinals sign Zack Cox as draft deadline nears

This just in-ish: Zack Cox, the Cardinals' real first round draft pick, has agreed to a contract at the very last minute, to the surprise of nobody except the people who put the signing deadline for the MLB draft two months after the draft itself. Stipulations include a promise not to let it get to him when Viva El BIrdos issues a final, longing sigh for Austin Wilson, who is like nine feet tall and once hit a ball so hard that Zack Cox was credited with a double.

Cox is a great prospect and another example of the Cardinals' willingness to go after signability problems. But as signability problems go, he just isn't very exciting. There are worse complaints; unless he's been signed as a pitcher, he's a major addition to the Cardinals' weak crop of future position players. More tomorrow!

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Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 17, 2010 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

so,

which team will he be playing 1B for in 2012?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

so is this where all the cox jokes are going to congregate?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

In my best Norm MacDonald voice.....

It’s funny cause his name is Cox.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 17, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

norm macdonald is maybe the funniest comedian on earth

and also the only one whose greatest gift is for late show interview hijinks. Which is a difficult way to make a living.

by DanUpBaby on Aug 17, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 17, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey VEB

i know i haven’t been around much lately. odds are i won’t be until this weekend. i’m currently one of 5 people in my dorm (no lie). golf practice is at 4:30 every day so i don’t know how much of the games i would catch, plus the person’s laptop i’m borrowing won’t let me get to streamtorrent. might be a while before i watch a cards game again. hope all is going well here.

-zoomzoom

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 17, 2010 1:28 AM EDT reply actions  

lol, Rizzo gets pie in face

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

just when my dell like the old thread again

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

someone's been drinking again

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

busted

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evident the wash.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 17, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

We got Cox, didn’t get Wilson.

It’s what most expected, and I can live with that. I’d have liked to have thrown 4-5 million at Wilson and gone for the big haul, but, I can certainly understand why they didn’t. And props to him for valuing an education, I guess.

by Voxx on Aug 17, 2010 1:32 AM EDT reply actions  

To reiterate

this draft gets a boring B+
I was never a huge fan of the Cox pick since he doesn’t hit for enough power or defend well enough for my tastes. But kudos anyway to the Cards for a solid draft.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Aug 17, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the Cox pick, actually.

He might just be a younger David Freese (with hopefuly less injury magnetism), but I’d be okay with that with a late first round pick, especially since it looks like he’ll advance through the minors pretty quickly.

by Voxx on Aug 17, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get him a Bowflex

Keep the free weights away from him.

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 17, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

certainly starting low enough

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 17, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the pick, personally

I’d say he was a consensus top 10 guy, he’s got more realistic ceiling than most people seem to think (I think a lot of folks conflate “advanced” with “little projection left”), and he comes at a definite position of need in the near future and will be a fast mover – he fits our needs perfectly. I just don’t see who else was available who was, in pure value terms, a better pick. I liked Castellanos but realistically he’s a lot further from the majors and his ceiling probably isn’t that much higher than Cox’s. There just weren’t any pitchers that excited me enough to pass over the best college hitter in the draft, Jesse Biddle wouldn’t have been bad, I suppose, and the only other guy I really liked was Bryce Brentz and there seemed enough chance we’d be able to get him in the supplemental round.

Other than Swagerty and Tuavaivala (picks 2 and 3, the first of which I think was very unexciting when there were still guys out there, and the second of which seems a real reach. I think you can kinda argue as well that one of the supplemental picks (say, Blair) could’ve been spent on one of the first round talents who fell into round two – Solis, Workman, Gyorko (who I liked) or even Allie or Eibner (neither of whom I was keen on for pick #25 and who would’ve been expensive). The other guy I really wanted was Cole, but as he didn’t sign in round 4 I guess it wouldn’t have happened in round 2 either. Picking Swagerty and then having him a no-sign was kinda sucky, though. At least our 4th and 5th round picks look like good ones.

I think I agree with you – B+. It would’ve been nice if we’d got a haul like the RedSox, though, their draft was simply incredible.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

adendum

just read that Swagerty did sign. I guess that’s cool.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more on the mistaken conflation

between advanced and little projection. It’s almost as if it’s being held against him that he had a 1.116 OPS, as a sophmore, in the SEC. The Cards got who was perhaps the best pure hitter in the draft behind Harper, at a position of clear organizational need, late in the first round because they were prepared to go way over-slot to get him.

Great job by the Cards and I hope this guy is starting in the majors in 2012.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

are any of the '09 draftees doing anything?

besides miller and carpenter

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 1:40 AM EDT reply actions  

so far it looks really good.

Other than bittle’s shoulder blowing up – which we knew was a huge risk – our high signers are promising. kelly is great, doing much better in a starting role than most thought. Still remains to be seen if stock sticks at C or not. Virgil hill is young but has some great athleticism. Ryan jackson has surprised me by hitting better than I thought he might. Scott schneider has been a huge surprise on the mound.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 17, 2010 2:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not really sure I agree

I think it’s pretty clear Stock is a bust as a catcher, I realise he’s only had one bad year but he’s just been SO awful offensively that it’s hard to see where he goes (other than the mound) even as a relatively young guy for his league.

Agree about Schneider, he’s been a nice surprise, and I think Virgil Hill was a really nice sign, but I think Jackson was a deeply mediocre pick and Bittle’s injury was a real blow IMO as he was one of the few guys in the draft with pretty major upside. Kelly’s been about as good as we could expect, I think.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder why Cox is starting all the way down in the GCL....

assuming he won’t be there long, though.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Aug 17, 2010 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Indoctrination

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 17, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Crpa an asshole because he took it

(where he thought) was away from camera.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 17, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

wtf...

^Carp’s

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 17, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

reminder on cox' scouting reports

keith law

Cox is a draft-eligible sophomore and one of the most advanced college bats in this year’s draft. He’s very strong, including strong hands and wrists, and is very short to the ball, hitting line drives to all fields, but with the ability to drive a ball on the inner half.

He was criticized after his freshman year for his strikeout total and cut down his swing to make more contact, with more walks than strikeouts this year. At third base, he has an above-average arm but heavy legs, although he makes up for the latter with good instincts and an aggressive style of play.

The fact that Cox could make such a significant adjustment at the plate in one year is impressive, and we’ve now seen him hit for power and for average and show the ability to get on base; when he puts all of that together in one season, he’ll be an All-Star.

baseball america

Cox is the best pure hitter and top sophomore-eligible player in the draft. He hit just .266 as a freshman on Arkansas’ College World Series team a year ago, but improved as the season went on and adjusted his pull-happy approach when he arrived in the Cape Cod League. He hit .344 with wood bats and ranked as the top position prospect in the summer circuit, setting the stage for a breakout spring in which he was hitting .446/.532/.631 through mid-May. Cox has very good hands, a short, lefty stroke and nice command of the strike zone. He has an uncanny ability to hit the ball with authority to the opposite field. There’s some debate as to how much power he’ll have in the major leagues, but he has the bat speed to do damage once he adds more loft to his swing. He has plenty of strength, as evidenced by a titanic shot he blasted off the top of a 90-foot-tall scoreboard at the 2009 Southeastern Conference tournament. Six feet and 215 pounds, Cox is a decent athlete with fringy speed and range at third base. Not all scouts are sold on his defensive ability. He does have a strong arm—he threw in the low 90s as a reliever a year ago—and will put in the work to improve his reactions at third base. He also has seen time at second base, and one scout said his actions looked better there, but his athleticism is more suited for the hot corner. Cox turned down an $800,000 offer as a Dodgers 20th-round pick out of high school, and he’s in line to make two or three times as much as a top 10 choice this June.

http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/06/07/cardinals-draft-3b-zack-cox/

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

i know, right

i think that’s why i’m so hesitant to get excited about him

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep but

as you say below, this is a guy that basically no-one thinks is going to be a first baseman/DH, unlike Wallace. Wallace profiles as a better than league average bat; if he’d actually stuck as an average 3B he’d be a pretty nice prospect. Even if Cox has issues in the infield (and I don’t think he’s likely to be great at either position) he has the arm and likely the athleticism to not embarrass in RF, so he’s not going to run into the same problems as Wallace.

I think a lot of folks seem to think his bat has more upside, too, though I’m not sure I do fro what very little I’ve seen.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trade bait!

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

except he's a lefty

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 17, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, hold on a sec, Cox signed a MLB deal & is on the 40man?

unfreakbelieveable

why did they do that? Shelby’s not even on the 40man & he’s a lot better than Cox

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 1:46 AM EDT reply actions  

because they wanted him to sign

and he’s a hell of a lot closer to MLB than miller

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

that isn't normal practice for a 20+ pick is it?

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know,

but most pegged him as a top 10 talent

he fell due to singability concerns

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

base, tenor or soprano?

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's a soprano right now

but most project him as a tenor at the big league level

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

coolio, now will someone please erase the name austin wilson from me brain

what was i talking about? man i’m hungry, does anyone have some brownies?

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cox isn't a pitcher

which makes it a lot more likely that he actually makes the majors.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 17, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya, that does make sence

coupled with reading bird land i understand everything a lot better today. sometimes i wonder if i pop off too much to quickly when i hear news i don’t approve of

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

alright, who's gonna play 3rd base? MO's got two weeks from today to find one

there has to be one out there who won’t cost an arm & a leg who’s better than Floppy

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 2:54 AM EDT reply actions  

lol, you beat me to it

'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----

by Heisenberg on Aug 17, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I boldly predict Cox starts the remainder of the season

starting tomorrow, and hits 48 dingers, the last eight dung while wearing a bathrobe, the last 4 including some toy revolver twirling as he runs the basepaths

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 17, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

....

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

now that's a sexy stache

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he beat the hell outta'

the dude hassling his sister. You guys remember that?

Yadi: The fastest of all the Molina brothers.

by huja on Aug 17, 2010 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is pretty good in RBI Baseball

I once struck out 20+ fat baseball dudes with him.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 17, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn you, sea wall

/shakes fist

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 17, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's awesome

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

was he a springfield cards fan?

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it

but that is one big hat

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fantastic pic haha

....my quick smells like french toast...

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by mstreeter06 on Aug 17, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would quibble slightly with the

Lack of position players comment. We certainly don’t have any colby rasmus grade blue chip talent, true.

Our outfield prospects are fairly intriguing and our depth is pretty good. I mentioned henley, pham, and chambers on saturday; luna is another good name to look at going forward. That’s on top of jay and craig who’ve made their debuts.again, no certifiable all-stars like colby, but good prospects.

We just lack any depth in the infield (unless you count 1B). At short we have pete kozma who is a tolerable prospect but nothing special, and ryan jackson who is a great defender, but whose bat has a long way to go. His upside is like boog but with even more awesome defense.matt carpenter and dan descalso are pretty much it organizationally for 2b/3b, unless you’re still riding the niko/nico vasquez bus or you believe steve hill can play 3b or if luna could be put back at 2b.

Whatever cox can contribute, he clearly fills an area of serious organizational need.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 17, 2010 3:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

yeah

I figured we pretty much HAD to sign an infielder

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

grabiel hernandez!

oh, wait

all my prospect crushes since waino have burned me. and i think it just got lucky then, cos i had no idea

so, i guess i hate shelby miller

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

he was also the best available at 25 right?

i’m always a big proponent of taking the best guy no matter where he plays. the fact that Cox is an IF was just icing on the cake if you ask me. he was the best & he fit a need the Cards had, win win

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

although quite a few teams took signability guys in the top 20, so there was a LOT of projected relatively early first-round talent left, especially if we wanted pitching. There was like 3 or 4 guys I’d have been happy with at pick #25.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Final draft of my dissertation out to committee

Just had to tell someone, and it’s 4:45. Wheeeeeeeee.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 17, 2010 5:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Luck

It seems like — and I don’t mean this as an insult — you’ve been working on that for as long as VEB has been around.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, that is literally true--I found curveblog and came over here from there

because I coludn’t get any Cardinals coverage in Texas.

and thank you.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 17, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

good training

replacing one anxiety with another as defense looms

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 17, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats Val

Hope they don’t swamp you with changes.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 17, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rating of the draft

I see someone has already rated the draft as a B something. I say none of us have any idea. Please go back and look at the last 6-7 drafts, and you will see that First Round picks don’t often make it, and there are upside and downside surprises. It is still a fact that it is more difficult in baseball than in other sports to project how someone will do going up several levels in the system. Even in football, the top state prospect out of high school is often a college bust(This happens in even the best programs). It brings up the question, which organization has the best record at succeeding with there top three picks?

by Remember Kenny B on Aug 17, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

mlb deal for cox

seems unusual at 25, and maybe necessary for bouros
at 21 though, it seems he either is what he seems to be and therefore wlll be in the show in <3 yrs, or he isn’t
and we just go ahead and wash the money away
not thrilled with the guy, didn’t think he was the best on his team even (like eibner better)

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 17, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Slightlyoff topic

But was anyone else suprised the Pirates

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Aug 17, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

signed both Taillon and Allie?

Acidentally posted to soon

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Aug 17, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

probably there's a clause in both their contracts that says

once they make the majors, the Pirates will play them for a year, and then trade them away to a contender for prospects… Oh, wait, I guess that all draftees who sign with the Pirates have that clause in their contracts.

Padres' RFL for GG!

by stxcardsfan on Aug 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not surprised they got Taillon

slightly surprised they signed Allie, but I guess they wouldn’t have wasted their #2 pick on him if they didn’t think he’d sign, and his bonus wasn’t THAT huge for an early 2nd rounder who fell for signability issues, to a team that needs to spend on its farm system, who only had one pick in the first round. I guess after taking an easy sign last year (Tony Sanchez) their FO was allowed to shoot for the moon this time round. Pretty good draft for them IMO and they’ve got a good system all of a sudden.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its crazy

Things are actually looking up for the Pirates. lol

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Aug 18, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

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