If Zack Cox ever feels overshadowed, he should give Pete Kozma a ring
by DanUpBaby on Aug 17, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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So the Cardinals signed Zack Cox but not Austin Wilson. I feel kind of guilty for preferring Wilson—all year long I've been suggesting that the Cardinal Way, once Matt Holliday signed up, had to be chasing cheap, above-average talent to fit around their huge superstar contracts.
Even with the Major League contract, Cox fits this bill eerily well. He plays third, where David Freese's injuries have thrown the current cheap, above-average talent into question, and he might be able to play second, where the Cardinals could use him most. He's as high-floor, low-ceiling as a $3.2 million draft investment gets. It's the right move, and upside-chasers still have Carlos Matias's visa process to follow.
But Austin Wilson—nobody will ever declare huge, athletic outfielders with limitless power potential the next market inefficiency, but the reason they're so expensive and overbought by guys like Jim Bowden is that there's little in baseball more exciting. Zack Cox has a better chance of being Dan Uggla than Austin Wilson does of being Mike Stanton, but when it's not your money it's even more tempting than usual to invest in a hundred lottery tickets instead of an index fund.
Also, while we're on the subject, how about Shelby Miller's Monday night? Last year's first round moonshot might have precluded making another one this year, and if he keeps pitching like that I'm fine with the sacrifice.
It's an off-day and I've been driving for fourteen hours, and when it comes to cold starts like this one nobody has ever been wrong starting with Albert Pujols. So: Since the All-Star Break Albert Pujols is hitting .333/.389/.613. I'm sorry, that's not the impressive split—in the last two weeks Albert Pujols has hit .452/.511/.810. These little slices have lost their fun for me, because he does it so frequently, but the way he looks while creating them will never get old; it seems like he hasn't missed a pitch in ten games.
Joey Votto still leads him in all three sabermetrics-circa-2003 Triple Crown stats—OBP, SLG, OPS—but Pujols, in the midst of his worst season since 2007, is a .350 month and a minor home run binge from winning the actual Triple Crown, which is mindboggling. His simple positions on the leaderboards—fifth in average, second in home runs, first in RBI—aren't as impressive as they were last year, when he finished third, first, and third. But in 2009 he spent the entire season behind Hanley Ramirez, who hit .359, .370, .342, and .395 in the summer before falling back to earth after he'd pushed open a Secretariatian gap.
But this year is really different, of course, because all year it's felt like he was a game away from becoming The Albert Pujols, who hits .452/.511/.810 for a week every month, even when he's limping to second base after stand-up doubles like someone doing an impression of Vladimir Guerrero. So if he's this close already, and he might have already turned into The Albert Pujols—and that reasoning leads you to a September in which he hits .415 with 20 home runs and somehow still ends up with fewer RBI than Ryan Howard. I'd love to see a Triple Crown, but I would settle for that.
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nice write up dan
I agree on the albert sentiments….as consistent and expected as his performance is, looking at the numbers still just makes me shake my head and grin.
well, i haven't been the fist comment in a thread since i don't know when
i wish i had something intelligent to say, (so does everyone else! SHUT UP JERKS!)allz i gots is i’m happy with the draft. i was pissed about Austin until i learned they were never close & he was just teasing us. i feel used & dirty. and not in a good way.
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
crap
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made
by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In his shoes I'd have done the same thing.
He was completely honest and straightforward about his plans heading into the draft. He couldn’t stop some team from drafting him. And if they did, why not get a taste of the whole shebang cost-free? Besides, it’s not like the visit and batting practice cost the Cardinals megabucks.
That’s the thing about recruiting trips: the recruiting works both ways, and sometimes you still do the trip even if you’re pretty sure it isn’t going to lead to anything. No harm, no foul on either side in this one, and kudos to the team for taking the flyer.
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by StanTheManFan on Aug 17, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Austin was a long shot
they knew that going in. That’s the reason why he fell so deep into the draft. Completely okay with it not working out since they got other guys signed.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Wilson was always a longshot
Projected first round talent doesn’t drop all the way to the 12th because of signability issues; they drop because there’s nearly zero chance of that talent signing. It was a good gamble by the Cardinals, but I’m not surprised Wilson stuck to his committment to Stanford.
Projected first round talent doesn’t drop all the way to the 12th because of signability issues; they drop because there’s nearly zero chance of that talent signing.
Umm what?
It’s not that I don’t understand you, but what I understand is not encompassed by what you are saying.
Wonder what the Cox signing implies
for Matt Carpenter?
StanTheManFan
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He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
They're headed to the post-season
not 100% if memphis are. I think they want to keep the teams together for the post-season runs and experience. Same with Miller in QC I think. I’m sure Carp-lite starts 2011 as the Redbirds starting 3B.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Cox will stick at 2B if and only if
his skillz allow him to. We don’t know that yet. (One can hope.)
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by StanTheManFan on Aug 17, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see our infield intact for multiple seasons
Second base especially has been a bad rollercoaster
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Ronnie Beliard
Mike Gallego, Adam Kennedy, Jose Oquendo
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I had forgotten about him.
I didn’t think we’d had a 2b since Herr.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes i wonder what would have been
if Polanco wouldve stayed around, i always was a big fan of his
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a good 'un.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
We wouldn't have won the 2004 pennant.
Remember, we traded him for Scott Rolen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Bud Smith alone wouldve got it done
HE THREW A NO-HITTER!
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Rico Washington
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I have (had?) an autographed Tim Jones rookie card.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Has there ever been a mlber from scotland?
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
don't they play that other game there?
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Aug 17, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
my mistake, i know thats punishable by death in some places
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not unusual.....
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 17, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You'll find it happens
all the tiiiiiiime
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
hmm
wales
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/birthplace.php?loc=Wales
scotland
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/birthplace.php?loc=Scotland
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/birthplace.php?loc=England
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
Danny Cox was born in Northampton???
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You don't remember him pitching with his monocle on?
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
It doesn't really show up in RBI Baseball
Other than that I am too young to really remember him pitching for us.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
He could kick a football.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
The punter from Georgia?
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
This guy...
How the hell does he have his own Wiki page?
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
And I got to see too many of those games.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
I wonder what ever happened to him?
His career line was .262/.345/.427. I’d take that from a 3B right now if he could play good enough defense and stay off the DL.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
He currently in playing for the Kansas City TBones
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
I was thinking about it the other day
People were complaining that 2nd base was a revolving door post-Vina, then we signed Adam F. Kennedy to a 3-year contract and now we play Skip Schumaker there prevalently. Womack and Grudz on one-year deals weren’t that bad!
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Grudz was just what we needed imo
no flash, 10 HR power, solid D, decent eye at the plate
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I try to forget that whole Kennedy affair.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
with Marylin?
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
The Teddy Kennedy one might be more apt in this case.
Too soon?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
would you rather drive cross country with Ted Kennedy
or go hunting with Dick Cheney?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
This is probably the most benign subthread related to politics in a long time.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Dang
You mean, I can’t just hope for something and get a guarantee it’ll happen?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
In their defense
it actually works out pretty well for them, at least more so than anyone else.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Needs to be indoctrinated first.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
at the springfield game last night
I got my Musial bobblehead.
and speaking of 3rd basemen, Matt Carpenter may have put on a couple of pounds but from the back, he still looks like a walking coat hanger. He had a couple of hits, but no fielding chances while I was at the game. We left early though.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
He has a couple of hits EVERY game.
still a little concerned about his power, even though it’s developed a bit this year, but he sounds legit to me…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope that's. . .
an inverted coat hanger.
Otherwise, ewwww.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 17, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
That is an apt comparison
I was trying to figure out who he reminded me of.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah, but
when they fall from the tree, they can’t even find the ground.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 17, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that needs moar love
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions
reminds me of
the pianist…whatever that guys name is
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Aug 17, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
that's the ticket
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Aug 17, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
MacDougal plays 3rd?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
according to the website he's 6-3 200lb.
From the back his shoulder bones kinda poke out. It looks like a t-shirt that was put on a too big hanger. Then when you take the t-shirt off the hanger, there are little bumps at the shoulder where the t-shirt stretched out.
I read somewhere he had surgery or something and then lost a lot of weight after. He could sure stand to put on some pounds.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Get him on the Colby diet.
The new Colby diet.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
protein shakes and hitting the ball hard?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dingdangolepappysbarbeque
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
old country buffet?
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Aug 17, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, he only needs to put on a reasonable amount of weight
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
OT:
looking at the pictures from Pujols’ golf event I noticed a lack of current position players and a lot of pitchers.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
injuries.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and babies.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Pitchers golf
its what they do…and pitch some too…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
Pitchers golf because they don't have to worry about it fucking up their batting stroke.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't golfing what helped fix Carp's arm the first time?
I remember something about Carp was having trouble pitching in ST due to scar tissue and he went out and played 2 rounds of golf after practice to get his mind off it and the next day he was just whipping it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
wat
Giants Trying To Block Cards, Braves From Third Basemen?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
of course they are.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Is this somehow related to the Curse of Rolen?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the answer to your question will always be yes.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
the frog speaks truth
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This has to be Benito Santiago's fault.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking
Jeffrey Leonard was somehow involved.
With Kenny Lofton joining in the conspiracy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The Giants have a better record than the Cardinals though.
So they won’t be doing much blocking at this point.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
have you seen the size of the panda?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hopefully
they roll over for us next series so they can block us from getting a third basemen
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Utley is coming back today.
So I would expect the Phillies to try to put a run together.
I think it is division title or bust for the Cardinals.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
we would be fine if we can beat our bottom feeding teams.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Agreed.
Our next 15 games are against…
Brewers (2)
Giants (3)
Pirates (3)
Nationals (4)
Houston (3)
I would LOVE to see a nice run of 10 out of 15 there. I think that would be huge. Absolutely huge.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
and then follow up that with a sweep of Reds
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I'll be at the Sunday Reds/Cards game.
So…I’ll do my part in sweeping.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I'll be at the saturday game
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Okay.
So, we’ve got Saturday and Sunday covered.
Who’s going on Friday?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I think roughly 44,000 should be there.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hows the pitching lining up for that series?
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
wat too far in advance for me to figure out
but if my luck holds out, it’ll be Nate Robertson…..
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Depends on what they do with their 2 off days.
Between now and then.
I’d like to see Carpenter, Wainwright, Westbrook somehow, in whatever order.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I like anyone we throw out there
Im getting a feeling that the Reds luck is running out with the rookies. The rest of their staff has been pretty unpredictable in yrs past too.
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as we can keep the bad teams from beating our brains out in the mean time.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It was the Cubs
Its never a normal series with them
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you not remember Houston?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sadly,
With this team history repeats itself far too often.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree,
Im just hoping that they start playing with some energy. I thought the Reds gave them a wakeup call. This team tends to play mechanically without an inspiration.
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
It's like how people keep deciding to invade Russia
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Don't give TLR any ideas.
Bastard’s crazy enough to try it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He did have two days off to think about it...
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Carp'll be a colonel
in the 101st Luggage Brigade.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 17, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
"I've got a better idea...
“Oh no, it’s the same idea!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'll be there Friday the 3rd
Actually, if anyone is interested, they are running some decent promos for that entire weekend against the Reds:
$25 Outfield Field Box (enter MILITARY)
$20 Outfield Loge Box + $10 in Cards Cash (enter MILITARYCC)
And my personal favorite…
$60 all-inclusive tix in one of the Coca-Cola areas (enter MILITARY)
what do you get in "all inclusive"?
is it literally any food/drink on offer in the stadium, in unlimited amounts, or are their restrictions? $60 sounds like an absolute steal, given I paid nearly 40 bucks for reasonable (but nothing special) 3rd base tix at Citizen’s Bank Park for the Cards series there…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus
Their/there fail. That’s a rare one for me…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You've been on the innerwebs too long.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
the Coca-Cola all-inclusive...
Comes with unlimited beer, but you have to get it from that area. And it comes with a buffet of hot dogs, nachos, hamburgers. They have brownies and cookies too.
Food and drink are served from 30 minutes before the first pitch to the 7th inning if I am not mistaken.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
either way...
i’m now hungry.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I know, right?
I have a stupid “healthy” chicken salad sandwich and an apple for lunch…
I guess I’d better load up on crap like that though so I can make my patented PILE O’ NACHOS at the game!
America.
The only place in the world where a bucket is considered an adequate vessel for serving food to humans.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh. Reading/comprehension fail.
you said buffet…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Buckets are used for food though.
Like buckets o’ crab legs. Or buckets o’ PBR bottles.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It's an absolute steal, IMO
The tix normally run $110 or $120. You get beer (but not Schafly or anything…just the Bud/Bud Light on tap), soda, water for the drinks.
The food is pretty solid. There is usually like BBQ chicken and/or BBQ brisket, plus the standard nachos, hotdogs, burgers. They also usually have some brownies or something sweet.
You figure $25 or $30 for your ticket and then something to eat (nachos are like 8 bucks), plus 3 or 4 beers at 8 bucks a pop…$60 is outstanding.
And if you really wanna get your money’s worth, well, you can certainly gorge yourself on food/beer.
howard is still injured, though and everyone knows he's the best player on the team and also in the NL
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
let em go for it
can a team claim as many players as they want? or does the waiver order reset after each claim?
or does that only work in fantasy?
They can claim as many as they want.
The problem is, they could get stuck with the contract. You can’ t be like “Oh, just kidding, I don’t want this guy, I just wanted to block another team.”
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
ah right
the waiving team can either work out a trade, dump the contract for nothing or pull the player back, correct?
Sort of correct. . .
not if the player is on irrevocable waivers. If it is irrevocable waivers, the player cannot be pulled back. If the waivers are revocable, then yes, the waiving team can work out a trade on the threat of pulling the player back off of waivers.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 17, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
kouz would be my choice, if he makes it
inge might mean that larue would go and miles would stay
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
LaRue could be hidden on the DL
until Sept 1 with “lingering” headaches. That way LaRue would be in the pool of players available for the post season roster.
I hope mo
uses the same tactic for Suppan… lingering soreness until sep1.
anyone else think his move to the dl was based on a phantom injury?
Mark Reynolds is on waivers?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 17, 2010 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not that anyone knows of.
The only ones on that list that have reportedly cleared are Blum, Counsell, and Encarnacion.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I see, misread
I guess that happens when you’re glancing through
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 17, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do We Really Want Brandon Inge??
Do we not already have a dark history with the foul name of BRANDON?
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Also
the fact he is utterly terrible at hitting and has bent paperclips for knees….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
but he was in the home run derby!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Inge is better defensively when hes healthy
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt.
Illustrating the travashamockery that the All-Star Festivities have become.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
And he'd be in there for his defense
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
wait...
That’s what we have Miles for.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Everytime I bad mouth Miles he does something acceptable.
Maybe we need a new forum to bash the holy hell out of Aaron Miles?
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
it's called Viva El Birdos.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Cox on the 40-Man Roster
Cox signed a MLB contract and will be added to the 40-Man Roster.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We were at 39 before that, yes?
Or is there a corresponding move to put Otto on the 60-day DL?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm interested to see.
Penny and Freese are already on the 60-day, so they may not need to put Otto on it, but readily could do so. I think Greene and Motte might be about due to be activated from the 15-day DL, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't know why that matters.
They would still be on the 40-man. I’m sorry. I haven’t finished my coffee.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
someone said it would be Sugar Shane.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
BJRains Cardinals will likely move Shane Robinson to the 60-day DL to clear a 40-man spot for Zack Cox.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 17, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Spider pig?
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 17, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd like some rally pig.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
A spider rally pig. We need some photoshop action.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 17, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
noooo
we don’t actually know what a rally pig looks like. only what it sounds like.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/3093209401_b9d75676cf_o.jpg
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMG HAHA
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 17, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
the video tapes in the back make it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
my eyes!!! my eyes!!!
oh, the humanity….
Optimism carried too far becomes dementia.
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 17, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We need Rally Cow!
Can you get fitted for one of those monkey outfits?
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
No but I can wear my udder backwards if I have to...
….well, for just a little bit…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Rally pig may be my favorite random moment of the year
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
Yahoo! Sports reported that Cox signed for $3.2 million, which would be a club record for a draftee. However, Mozeliak said that Cox’s contract was not a club record, indicating that it’s for less than J.D. Drew’s $3 million in 1998.
First place I’ve seen it mentioned that it was anything other than $3.2 mil.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Also,
signed JD Drew 12 years ago for $3MM is quite a bit different than $3MM in today’s dollars.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sorry this is so late, but
local radio show today said the signing bonus was $2M paid out over five(?) years, 1st year salary 200k, 2nd year 350k, going up to $450k guaranteed minimum salary in 2013. (I left out a year there, but the gist was $2M signing and guaranteed minimum (assuming he stays in the minors) of $1.2 M in salary thus the total of 3.2M.
They also said Cox had made it clear from the start that a ML contract was going to be required for him to sign. I didn’t hear clearly (in the car) if the contract was for four or five years but they did say the bonus was paid out in equal $400k payments.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 18, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
For those in the Chesterfield area...
Dick’s Sporting Goods in Chesterfield on Sat: $30 for autographs. Freese & Garcia 9-11, Rasmus & Ryan 11-1.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Wow.
I wish I lived in the Chesterfield area.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Me too... :(
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 17, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
would it be bad...
if I brought an ankle brace for freese to sign?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I'd just go with a prosthetic foot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Perhaps a miniature doghouse for Boog?
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
he won't fit in there
disaster might ensue.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
heh
“no no, I’m not bringing this for you to sign. I’m giving it to you. I brought a hacksaw. Let’s get this installed now.”
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
haha
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
boom!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
too soon
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but is Fredbird there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
How many Fredbirds are there?
Total count of Molinas > Total count of Fredbirds?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
This
There are two. The backup let my nephew ride the coolercart from the bullpen around the Hyatt in January
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 17, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder what the responsibilities of a backup Fredbird are?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Having a Sonic Blast
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 17, 2010 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i thought there were 6 working at any game.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Nope
Just two period
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 17, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait a minute...
Boog is the veteran in this group?
He’s in charge of the field trip!
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Surely they'd send Fredbird to chaperone?
He’d be the responsible one in that group.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 17, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
bahahahaha.
baaahahahahaha.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
They're gonna end up at the mall food court.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
A schooner IS a sailboat, stupid head!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
But do you have an autographed picture of Cox--
wait, wrong thread.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
im toooooo slow!
i knew that one was coming
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't know...
You feel…you feel the Cox.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone think Cox's swing/approach looks similar to D Dejesus?
Or am I just crazy and watch too much Royals baseball?
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
I think you just stare at Cox too much.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Very nice sir.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 17, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I crazy to think that any Royals baseball is too much?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh at least Moore got rid of that POS Guillen
Let the kids play.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Aug 17, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
In that case
I hope he sticks at second base
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I predict the Cox jokes will lose their juice...
before we ever get a good taste of Cox the player.
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Aug 17, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This could end up getting very blue before it's all said and done.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
in which case there's not enough Cox
to go around?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think too many Cox would be the case.
not enough of something else…..
Dave Bush????
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Now I really hope Dave Bush is still in the ML when Cox comes up
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 17, 2010 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Cox hammers Bush"
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Cox goes deep in Busch
…
…..
for the first time
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If he plays more than four hours in a game, will the team have to call a doctor?
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
by TBender on Aug 17, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know
all the ladies will be admiring the St. Louis Cardinals’ Cox.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 17, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not too sure about that...
I mean, he’s not exactly the dreamiest guy we’ve ever had.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Repeat from draft day:
Kirk Herbstreit!
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Jack Wilson!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
he compensates, obviously
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Aug 17, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just so y'all know
I’m not saying the guy is ugly or something. He just looks like a normal guy.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I heard that HRs make a guy look sexy,
is that true?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Plenty of Cox for everyone.
More than enough for multiple helpings of Cox.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait for Shannon to say
“Cox is batting in the 2 hole”.
I might just lose it for a while.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Shannon is going to need pregame coaching to avoid censors
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Shannon is going to need pregame coaching Cox to change his name to avoid censors
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
In case of Zach Cox, use vuvuzela button.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Cox is providing
protection in the 2 hole in front of Pujols.
by WyoCardsFan on Aug 17, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Cox lined up behind Pujols?
Cox drives in Pujols.
Cox goes deep in Busch.
That’s my first and probably last post here.
Cox...deep in the hole...OH YEAH! That's how you do it!
/flagged
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Cox has really found his stroke, hitting in the 2 hole.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Going deep
Unfortunately the cry of “get up, baby, get up” won’t make much sense by that point.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Hopefully he will be such a good hitter
that Cox will need protection.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Aug 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Hard Drive by Cox...Get up baby, get up!...:
Had to be done.
by RollBirdsRoll on Aug 17, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course we mean the new young Cox
We used to love our old Cox but the old Cox hasn’t been able to get it up there in years
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was a good Cox.
Too bad there’s not a pill you could take to help out with that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as the jokes go
frankly, I’ve had more than my fill of Cox already.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 17, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't know what everyone's deal is with Lohse's contract.
Have you tried to find a good barber?
Sometimes you just have to pay those guys to stick around.
Would you want him cutting hair in some other clubhouse?
Pretty big issue.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
and sadly such a clubhouse guy that he won't do something boneheaded to allow a voided contract
/K-Rodded
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It was just one start for Lohse
his pitches looked the same as always, just not where he wanted them
That sounds like every game that the Colonel pitched for us.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saying
Lohse could still work it out and benefit us. Hes bound to need a little time to get things in order.
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Not saying that he couldn't
just not a very good omen.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree. i just dont think we have the luxury of being able to give him 3-4 starts to get back on track at this point in the season
If he is healthy though I wouldn’t mind seeing us just put him in the bullpen for the rest of this season.
by mick311 on Aug 17, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Guess we just have to hope for run support!
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
ha i was just thinking of that game earlier in the season vs. ARZ when you said that
We put up 7 I think it was off Dan Haren too, and I remember thinking, ‘thank god’ with Lohse on the mound. But then he blew the lead and we lost the game.
Bernie was saying yesterday that the team has only won 11 of 33 starts by Lohse since his new deal. You would think the team would bail you out completely in at least 7-8 of those games. That is just really bad. I do feel bad for him though, sucks he has had to deal with this crazy injury. Hopefully it just takes time and he can turn it around and be a serviceable #4-5 starter for us next year.
by mick311 on Aug 17, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You would think we'd try to get up for those games
As many stats as we come up with sometimes L.U.C.K. wins out!
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
you keep saying this, but you don't provide an alternative
do we have the luxury to make evan maclane or blake hawksworth full time starters? do we have the luxury to runjaime garcia into the ground? what about running carp and waino out there of 3 days rest ever time?
i don’t see any other options unless you literally wanna pick up wellemeyer
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Im fine with Lohse
His pitches looked fine to me Sunday based on spin and movement. It seemed to me that it was just where he put them.
next starts for Lohse
8/22 at home vs Giants (another hot afternoon game on seven days rest)
8/27 at Nationals
9/1 at Houston (getaway day game)
Get five to six innings of 3 runs or less would be acceptable. Then the offense has to come up strong. I guess the bar is set pretty low in that any result that beats Suppan/Hawks july performance is an improvement.
why the hell do you think he'd be any better in the bullpen never having pitched there before??
sorry man, you just keep making this same point with absolutely NOTHING to back it up. i fully believe lohse would be worse in the bullpen than PK was, and that’s saying something. it’s starting or nothing for him
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
exactly
call me stupid, call me brainwashed, but i really believe Kyle Lohse of 2008 is going to come back
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
I'll be happy with 2002 0r 2003 KL
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
im in the 2008 is the outlier not his norm camp
but lohse going forward as the 5 is our best option, and no where close to the worst 5th starter in the league even if he cant recapture 2008 outcomes
i'm in the
kyle lohse is at least the 2.5 WAR pitcher he’s been throughout his entire career and that’s a pretty valuable assest camp
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
There's no place to dock a boat.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'm here...lets roast marshmallows at my place tonight!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Makes Soup look quite a bit better.....
Not sure how much injuries affected Lohse early on, but he has 3-4 games that are worse then any game Soup has had this year as a Cardinal.
Soup can only get worse though
Unless he develops an eephus!
by LexTalionis on Aug 17, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
maybe from one start, but Sup is the far worse pitcher
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy eff
did anyone else see that Mather struck out SIX times last night in Memphis?
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
they were too busy admiring his striking profile
it’s like sending a reliever to bat
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a golden sombrero
plus a platinum bandoleer.
jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup
by The Continental on Aug 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
has there been any news on Matias getting his visa?
He is dominating hitters in the Dominican right now. I can’t wait to see him over here.
by mick311 on Aug 17, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Luhnow said on the radio this sunday that it's unlikely he makes it stateside until this fall
though they remain confident that it’s just paperwork at this point.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
That is very good news.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
FSM's HD channel commercial
still mentions Ludwick.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wouldn't that be "sadists"?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
But masochists like the pain.
Wait….is that us?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
OT- Breakin' down the door update
So many of you are probably wondering WTF happened to the door yesterday.
Well I’m here this morning and there is no evidence that I missed them knocking it down. So they’ve either fixed it or that option is still in play.
Obviously I’m hoping for the latter.
Maybe they called in outside help.
Or they ordered a riot shotgun on Amazon and are waiting for it to ship.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
link no work
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
right-click and copy link location
of the time-and-date line of the comment. that’s the link.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It took me awhile yesterday to realize that the new guy wasn't in the office...
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Just watched the MLB.COM scouting report on Zach Cox
His body type looks nothing like a Wallace. He reminds me more of a young Pujols. He looks to me like he can play third and if he has good instincts and a strong arm maybe he is average? I would love for once to see the Birds do something unorthodox and just bring him up in a couple of weeks and let him play 3B since he is already on the 40. I know it won’t happen and I’m probably a nob for suggesting it but there I said it…
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
How would that work with service time?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Joke about Cox and "Service Time"
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Aug 17, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what is the benefit of putting him on the 40-man, out of curiosity? if they have no plans to play at the major league level this year
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Cox stated that if he did not receive a MLB contract, then he would go back to Arkansas.
So, the Cardinals gave him a MLB contract and that means he is placed on the 40-man.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Can someone explain why that would be important to him
He doesn’t expect to start playing for the Cardinals right away, does he?
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
It starts his arbitration clock sooner,
so he has the potential to sign a larger contract sooner.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i think you have to be on the 25 man to start the clock
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
think strasburg
big league deal, not called up until late june to avoid super two
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Gets you to arbitration and free agency sooner
So you make more money sooner. Less years of team control.
I think performance...
determines call ups for the most part. I would guess guys want major league contracts because without one a player coming out of college could conceivably be buried in the minors for seven years without any recourse. With a ML deal, the player has to be called up in four years or pass through waivers. There might be other reasons as well…
Fire La Russa!
four or five years before a player must be added...
to the 40-man (or be lost), then three option years.
Fire La Russa!
Also
With a MLB contract the player can join the union (MLBPA) which has significant perks in terms of their rights during their MiLB career. I guess that’s an issue, too.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It guarantees that he either gets a MLB shot here or somewhere else in year 4
They can structure the contract however they want (which usually allows the team to pay more NPV even by deferring money till later), he gets a great insurance plan, and he can do all the drugs of abuse he wants (kidding) because they can’t test MLBPA members for weed etc.
Not afraid to nitpick
Quite a bit of money is deferred (or at least spread out over several years)
in Cox’s deal from what I’ve seen. This is definitely not a “3.2MM signing bonus” so it’s hard to compare it apples to apples to other draft deals (maybe Grandal’s or Harper’s I guess, but I haven’t seen how those are structured).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
repeating myself (even later)
local radio here said the actual signing bonus was $2M spread out in $400k payments and the other $1.2M was in guaranteed minimum salaries in years one through four (200k, 250k, 350k, 450k iirc).
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 18, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
ok thank you
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
on the radio today
he said that this sort of deal had been done for the best college hitter the last couple of years, and since he was coming from the SEC and was the best hitter in the best conference, he felt he deserved it.
Secretariatian
Say it 3 times fast.
Secretariatian
Secretariatian
Secretariatian
Love it!
So this seems to be the first "Zach" that the Cardinals have ever drafted.
In doing my research, I also see that we drafted a guy named Basil Shabazz in 1991.
It is a shame that he didn’t pan out because I would have been all over a Shabazz jersey.
I think it's actually with a k
But Basil Shabazz is an awesome name.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
And we may have drafted other Zach/Zack's, but I can only find the Cardinals top 5 picks in each year.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
that's when you search VEB.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember Shabazz playing with Springfield
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Folks in Arkansas apparently consider him the greatest high school athlete of all time.
No word on whether or not Kanye agrees.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
As Good as Shabazz is as a last name...
…what makes it really work is pairing it with basil. Well done!
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
New guy
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
starting with a bang
he’s got about 80 comments in this thread
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i think
he saw the discussion the other night where azru posted the comment leaders on here and thought, “I can beat that! A simple 200 posts a day every day for the next 3 years should catch me up!”
*No offense Lex, I think its great you want to come in and contribute
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it's CodyG
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
"Well of Course its a Rat!"
“You have rats in Spain, or did Franco have them all shot?”
<=8D
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
in case anyone wants to review VEB draft coverage
aka Y2S kind of digs listening in to conference calls without having to participate….
here’s the link roundup:
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/6/9/1509074/draft-day-3-coverage-with-links-to
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i plum forgot how much we were laughing at the cubs that day
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
and there's half of VEB screaming for Cox
this is good reading.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
start
around here and read on down
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 17, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if anyone has linked this yet.
But Minor League Ball did a review of the Cardinals top prospects up until the first week in August.
Actually this is just a repost of their original projections from December 2009.
Interesting to see what they have for Samuel, Jay, etc.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I find the part on Greene
interesting:
Tyler Greene, SS, Grade C: .291/.362/.465 for Memphis, .265/.359/.412 in 28 major league games. Greene is quite interesting…he has very good tools but it has taken him a long time to develop skills, and he’ll always strike out a lot. This is the kind of player who could have a stunningly good year at some point (say 2011 at the age of 27) then struggle to repeat it.
I don’t know if I agree, but those are the scary ones. Someone gives one good year- the organization commits to them and they don’t repeat.
by WyoCardsFan on Aug 17, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Especially when that player plays a position that the club is desperately trying to cement someone at.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I just got thirsty for some Orange Slice for some reason...
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 17, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Inscrutable VEB in-jokes FTW
so, rec’d.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Inscrutable? I resemble that remark!
In fact, I’ve never even looked at another guy that way!
Wait a minute… lemme check dictionary.com.
…
I mean, thanks Monk!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Based on the current state of our farm system
do Cox and Swaggerty crack the Top 10 before they even take the field?
Oh easily...
You don’t pay $3.2 million for a 22 year old that projects to be your 11th best prospect…
Unless you’re Tampa, I guess…
1. Cox
1A. Miller
3. Swagerty
4. Jenkins
5. Lynn
I would guess something like this, but I’m not sure how to fit in Matias, Carpenter, Pham, and some of the other low-level breakthroughs.
Fire La Russa!
What about Blair?
I think he would be a solid 3 or 4.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on...
what I saw in Arizona and read he seems to have a somewhat lower ceiling, but who really knows?
Fire La Russa!
This see
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Aug 17, 2010 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This seems way off
First of all, I think Shelby Miller is solidly our number one prospect after dominating all season at QC. I think he could be a top 20 prospect, even. Cox would slot in at #2. I don’t think Lynn really fits into our top ten anymore (or very low on the list) after disappointing in AAA this season.
I also think that Tyrell is so very raw that he is only a fringy top 10 right now. Matias is hard to call but I’d guess he’s in the middle, maybe 4th, after Eduardo Sanchez or fifth, after Matt Carpenter. Pham is also very fringy, having just gone on the DL and having a BABIP fueled tear through the hitter friendly Texas league.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Aug 17, 2010 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I shouldn't even bother with a list...
seeing as I don’t know much about Matias/Carpenter/Longmire etc… Point is our 2010 draftees don’t just crack the top 10, but are as good or better than most anything we had previously.
As for Miller, he’s a huge risk/reward guy, as all young pitchers are. Cox can well and truly stick at 2nd or 3rd and is a polished, premium bat. Miller has to get dinged simply for being a young pitcher.
Fire La Russa!
But Miller has a year of pro ball dominance behind him now
Which is a big hurdle to jump through. Combined with his upside, I’d say he is easily our #1 prospect.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Aug 17, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know....
maybe not. I’ve seen and read a lot about Swagerty, but not Jenkins so much.
The only thing I’ve read about Jenkins is that he reminds scouts of Dwight Gooden, Bob Gibson, and Fergie Jenkins… and presumably Eddie Murphy as well.
Fire La Russa!
i'm not questioning you because i have a great idea
but it seems like jenkins has incredible ceiling as a front line starter but might flame out, and swagerty is a good bet to make the majors, but he’s a reliever and probably gonna stay that way
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
That's pretty much the whole problem...
apples to oranges. Upside versus likelihood of contributing. I’d take an even money bet that Swagerty will pitch in the majors.
Fire La Russa!
i guess i just have a hard time
hyperventilating over relievers
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
The ceiling is very high
But he might never find any kind of success in pro ball. If he starts succeeding, he’ll shoot up the charts. Until then, he’s just as likely to crash and burn.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Aug 17, 2010 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
proximity to majors....
Jenkins is a high school project Swagerty was the closer on perhaps the best college team with a 93-94 MPH fastball and a great curve. Think of a rich man’s Jess Todd (better fastball). He could pitch for the Cards in 2012.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Swagerty isn't in our top 10 I don't think.
Fast moving guy, but his upside is quite low. Probably a set-up guy in MLB I think, which isn’t that valuable.
Rough stab at it:
1. Miller
2. Cox
3. Matias
4. Lynn (??)
5. Jenkins
6. Descalso
7. Sanchez
8. Carpenter
9. Blair
10. Oscar Taveras
Anything below the top 3 is probably very arguable, and I can see a case for Reifer, Kelly, Hooker, Anderson, Pham (pre-injury), maybe Swagerty, and probably a couple of others I forgot. I’d also say Craig and Jay are at the bottom end of the top 10 if they still count as prospects, but I left them off.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Cox goes straight up....
to the top of the list with Shelby. I think Blair and Swagerty make the mid-to-bottom of the top ten.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You got Jenkins above or below Blair and Swag?
I find it kinda hard to make my mind up about him.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Right now....
I’d say just below but that’s mostly because Jenkins has never pitched above high school. I’m pretty confident that Blair and Swagerty will be major league pitchers (barring injury of course). Guys with mid-nineties fastballs and good breaking pitches who have great success at programs like ASU will very likely be ML players.
I would move Jenkins above those two (or at least Swagerty) upon a successful low-A ball campaign. I’m intrigued by Blair, who throws harder than Jenkins at this point. I think he’s a better candidate for long-term starter than e.g., Kelly (who’s got an electric fastball).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 18, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Bernie talks Cox.
Really surprised to see the Cardinals decide to start Cox out in the Class A Gulf Coast League; frankly, given the post-draft hype, I thought the kid was more advanced than that.
Maybe a new reality show in his future?
Cox on the Coast?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't Harper going to the GCL too?
They probably just need to warehouse these guys for a few weeks without disrupting lineups and pennant races until the fall leagues get going.
Fire La Russa!
They want the $$$$.
Increased attendance.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The GCL is barely a league, and definitely not a moneymaker
It’s basically instructional ball with scorebooks.
I don't think there's much in the way of attendance...
they play in Jupiter at the team’s spring training site.
Fire La Russa!
also pretty sure it's effectively free to get in to watch
a couple of bucks maybe.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions
yup, this.
Cox probably hasn’t been seriously working out either since the CWS timeframe. Can’t just throw the guy into AA now. IMO, will probably start at AA next year, with Carpenter moving to AAA. At a mimimum will go to Palm Beach with an eye to moving him to AA at the half.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, bet he goes to the AFL. How he does there will decide whether he starts at AA or PB.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Given his college career
I’d expect he’d probably rake in the AFL.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect the guy to rake in the majors and soon.
Cox was as good of a hitter, with similar power, as Zimmerman and Longoria were in college at essentially the same age and same level (Zimmerman was at UVA and Longoria was at Long Beach so all were in high level college programs).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the goold article
says that the reason they are going to GCL is to not lose a year of team control.
I realize this comment was made before that article came out and that the link is probably posted below.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
you're wrong colonel sanders
mama’s right
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Per Goold: Why Cox is starting in the GCL
An aside: The Cardinals are not losing an option year in this deal. By putting Cox in the Gulf Coast League, the Cardinals are able to use the calendar to their advantage and get Cox into a league without costing him an option year. A team is allowed to “recall” an optioned player when his team’s season ends. The GCL has the earliets end date. So, when the GCL season is over with, the Cardinals will recall Cox — not to report to the majors, but for paperwork purposes — and that will undo his option year because it was within 20 days of the initial option. Cox, while starting his career on the 40-man roster, will likely come to spring training next year as a roster player with four options remaining.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
by Red Blazer on Aug 17, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
It's also wrong...
according to this: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/regarding-bryce-harper-and-options/
I think we just have to admit that the rules regarding roster moves and service time are simply unknowable.
Fire La Russa!
That is exactly in line with the second paragraph of the Fangraphs post to which you link:
None of these players, Harper included, will use options because the signing deadline does not occur until the middle of August. One of the provisions in using an option is that a player must accumulate at least 90 days of service time within that season for it to qualify. In 90 days, the baseball season will be over; meaning nobody who signed last night is going to come close to qualifying. This is true for any player placed only in short season ball during a given season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You mean in line with Goold?
What I’m hearing from Goold is that the GCL will end short of 20 days, which is the limit that a player can spend in the minors without be considered on optional assignment. What the FG dude is saying is that a player has to accrue 90 days as a professional anywhere (minors or majors) to be considered optioned. If the latter is correct, then it doesn’t matter where Cox goes, because there aren’t 90 days left in the season to accrue the service time needed.
Fire La Russa!
Then we can go to third paragraph.
How about a hypothetical. Say that Harper could reach those 90 days, what does it mean for the Nationals? They could circumvent the option usage by making sure his minor league stint lasted for fewer than 20 days before recalling him to the majors. Thus, ensuring no optional assignment burned. The only catch there is that his minor league time would be applied to his major league service time. Instead, teams are given an extra year of padding based on a rule which allows for four option seasons if the player has fewer than five professional seasons. That comes into play with the aforementioned 90-days rule.
So, Goold isn’t wrong, but he cites the wrong rule. The Cardinals could circumvent the option year with a 20-day stint in the minors, as Goold states, but they don’t need to because of the 90-day rule.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't understand any of that...
I just posted what Goold said because it sounded like a plausible reason.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
in any case
are we really likely to need all of Cox’s options? Doesn’t sound like he’s likely to be a fringey guy, and if his bat plays presumably he’ll be up permanently when he makes it.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they want to start him low and move him quickly
They can get a better idea of his ability starting from the bottom
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Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The competition will be much weaker I'd say
the GCL is largely teenagers, 20 year-olds, guys out of high school, or JuCo types who haven’t moved up. Cox played in the toughest college league in the country. He’ll be older and better than nearly all the competition.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Article about Bryce Harper
Earlier this season, in a major league clubhouse that will remain unidentified, a group of players sat and stood around a computer screen watching YouTube videos of Bryce Harper. A former MVP was among them, and there was universal admiration for Harper’s talent.
One pitcher said he would expect Harper to get knocked off the plate the first time he [went through his elaborate pre-AB routine] in the big leagues. Only he said it a little more harshly.
Is there any doubt the clubhouse was the Cardinals’ and the pitcher was Chris Carpenter?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
sure sounds like Carp
but, just to postulate…
Phillies? Rollins/Howard (MVP) and Halladay as the Pitcher?
Halladay seems more ‘talk softly’ but i’m sure he carries a big….
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 17, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: two things
1) they are opening a FIVE GUYS right next door to my office! i will now be able to adequately determine whether it belongs in the Good Tier or God Tier.
2) i got Super Mario Bros. for the Wii. totally. awesome.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
lucky....five guys is God Tier.
Simple, awesome! Their fries are the best as well.
You won't be disappointed
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
five guys is pretty overrated IMO
typical fast food except it acts like a restaurant and gives you peanuts (at least at mine – big positive for me though)….. its too greasy and its overpriced for fast food (even though it acts like it isn’t fast food sort of)
fries are good, i must have gotten a bad batch, when i got to the bottom, i was eating wet fries because of all the grease – i can take some grease but it was digusting
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 17, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be overrated but I'd still like to try it
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
they just opened one near me in Orange, my dad has been talking them up for a while
been meaning to check it out
oh, cool
i just lost all my benefits at work. i haven’t been full time since right at a year ago, i guess they decided that they care now that i want to take my vacation, so they’re pulling my insurance, too
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
i don't see how i can
it just pisses me off
“well, you could always work more hours.” yeah, if i want to drop out of school and do this bullshit forever
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
you CAN sue anybody....you just might not win
in this case, probably not.
you might be able to set forth some kind detrimental reliance theory…
can’t you get health insurance from your school?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
not sure
probably not as cheaply as i’m getting it now. my benefits package was really good. one of the reasons i put up with the bullshit pf this job
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
new job time!
what field are you in? Are you in the St. Louis area?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i'm in the austin, texas area
and i work for a phone-based technical support contractor doing PC repair
hence, the bullshit
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
oh... helpdesk.
I’m sorry. I’ve did that for 3 years.
I’ll be down in at the end of the month for a wedding, what’s cool down there? My Uncle is taking us to the Salt lick. And my parents want to go see some bats…
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
glass bottom boats at the aquarena center in san marcos are always a big hit
lady bird lake and barton creek greenbelt are in austin and pretty sweet
dell diamond (astros’ AAA affil) is a 20 minutes north in round rock
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
btw...
Dell’s gold tech support is based there correct?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
dunno
i would’ve guessed it was overseas
dell has a big plant or something in austin. lots of dell employees around, huge part of the economy. really just the tech industry in general runs austin
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
That and an over inflated sense of self worth.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I've got a buddy that owns a gym there.
How fast can you climb a rope?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
how fast can you come up with a calculetic/mathmatical/geometrical equation
that tells us how fast you can not climb a rope?
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
f(x) = i am bad at climb rope
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Aug 17, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what if a bear was chasing you?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that bear would not be hungry long
assuming the rope is my only means of escape
bears are good climbers anyway
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I'd pay good money to watch a bear climb up a rope after someone
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
In my experience,
insurance through school is anything but cheap.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it's not really *that* big of a deal
i’m still young-ish and healthy
i could go a couple years without until i graduate and just hope for the best
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
but they were paying 75% of it
so it only made sense to have it. never used it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I hear ya.....The insurance I get
at work is really on good for major stuff, and even then, it’s a shit ton of money out of pocket.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
^ really only
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
UGA's wasn't too bad price wise, but it was complete shit benefits wise
I guess you get what you pay for
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
My school mandated insurance and it was horrible, horrible coverage.
It basically cost us each $1,000 per year, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah, mine was so expensive i just didn't have health insurance my last year of law school.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Yep.
Without stirring a politically charged debate, it could end up being cheaper for companies to “buy out” their medical plan than offer it to employees.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically, you're stirring a politically charged debate.
Which I don’t want to debate. So instead, can’t we just all talk about how much we love Cox?
Don't say hi to me.
Gladly.
Let’s say, hypothetically, he sponsors a section in the stadium and brings in at-risk youth to attend baseball games. What section would those kids be sitting in?
Cox Club?
Cox Hangout?
Cox Crib?
Cox Corral?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope it's a large Cox area
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i'm waiting for Zack Cox
for Farmers Feed Us.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I heard a farmers feed us ad on XM the other day that didn't have Holliday saying it
It had another dude saying it, and he made sure to speak slow and enunciate. I’m still partial to farmer’s fetus.
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard the same one.....still made me chuckle...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Kids come hang out in the Cox Crotch.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
PENIS!
PENIS
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i love cox so much i needed to get a weiner for lunch
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 17, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
true story
AT&T and several other companies did an exercise and decided it would be cheaper on them to pay the penalty than provider health coverage to their employees.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
that's bs man
at least my company still gives part timers benefits, but they are not nearly as good (have to pay twice as much for insurance, yet get less $)
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Micah Owings DFA
I say we sign him and see if he can play third base.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
so, when does cox have to be placed on the 40-man?
right away?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I would assume once he officially reports to the GCL.
But I could be wrong.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep reading the headline
and thinking “Zack Cox has a ring? Where did he get a ring?”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i just now understood it now that you said this
i thought he had a ring also. i was just wondering why he would want to give it away
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
and it's like... I know what DanUp means, but every time I open the tab, I think the same thing
it’s suspiciously British.
wouldn’t he be more likely to text Kozma?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i thought this for awhile and eventually gave up trying to understand what it meant. now i get it.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
our farm system sure has shaped up a lot in the last couple of days imo
Shelby looks even better, Cox should be able to fill the gap (so to speak) at 2nd or 3rd, and there are some exciting relievers. also, Jay and Craig are nice product of the farm
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
your right
Cox will fill the gap (its funny you weren’t even trying!)
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 17, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news on Matias, too
sounds like they’re confident he’ll be in the US next year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Released: the Welley
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought that was already covered
go Colonel heh
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
there was an update.
I think mostly to emphasize the releasedness.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sources say
it was steaming
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OOTP
I just created a FanPost about this but I wanted to ask in here as well. I’m not sure if any VEB members play OOTP but I was wondering if there would be an interest in an online OOTP league? If you haven’t heard of OOTP check it out it’s awesome. If so let me know. I think it would be awesome with members of VEB.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
...
RT @JoeStrauss Flurry of roster moves sends T. Greene, Hill to Memphis, B. Anderson to Cardinals and Ottavino to 60-day DL. #stlcards
RT @JoeStrauss Timeout: Cards appear likely to wait on any move involving Hill until Wednesday. He remains in the house tonite.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Oops didn't mean to reply to my last comment.
Fail.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
er...
so the cards are or are not moving Hill?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I don't know but if/when they do I'm glad it will be Anderson and not Gagnozzi up
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
the bullpen needs a little extra time to school him on his beard
one of the most surprising cups of coffee in a long time. in a good way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
probably waiting on Anderson's arrival
don’t want to push through the paperwork then have a delayed flight and have to rely on Fat Miles to back up Yadi.
Not yet....
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I play it, but I don't have the latest version.
Mine is a year or two old.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
I am in 3 on-line leagues right now, and one appears to have died, so it would be the perfect time to join a league. I can’t run it, but I would certainly participate.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Aug 17, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Order of the Phoenix?
Come on, someone else was thinking this besides me.
Anyone?
…
DanUp?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Could everyone that's interested
Regardless if they have the current OOTP post in the FanPost so I can start the whole process. I don’t mind being the Commish if that’s a concern.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
0-7 since starting his rehab
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
and he was in single A
so it’s more like sending him up instead of down… (with less pay of course)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Dammit SBN! Why won't you let me post a link!!
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/bobby-thomson-1923-2010.php
Optimism carried too far becomes dementia.
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 17, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
Tsk tsk, ruined your own moment of silence.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Was it his moment?
If so, he’s a true Cardinal now.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He's actually shown some signs of life.....kinda....in August with .272 .310 .400
Of course that comes on the heels of a .192 .236 .212(!) July and a .216 .300 .279 overall line so it doesn’t look good. My guess is they give him the rest of the season to show some legitimate hitting ability, and if not he probably goes into next year a pitcher although they still might give him some ABs. Even if he does really show something the rest of the year, he should definitely be working on his arm strength in the off-season…
Not afraid to nitpick
I think next season is another full year of catching.
I’d be very surprised at a conversion this early.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
His stats are Gagnozzi-ish.
.216/.300/.279/.579
Only 26 RBI and 17 XBH in 269 ABs.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a legitimate 3B option out there?
I’ve been looking at SS and 3B’s on crappy teams and I just don’t see anything to write home about. We’d be better off moving Kozma to third and calling him up than whats out there. j/k
Thoughts?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
Any and all options seem to be any combination of the following:
- Are old
-Play poor defense
-Hit like Aaron Miles
-Are, actually, Aaron Miles
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically you're saying we should fast-track Cox and get him up here by next week.
Don't say hi to me.
He has experience in a wooden bat league, IIRC.
That’s a plus, right!?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Cox knows how to handle the wood
but what about the leather?
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
You know how it is with Cox.
No glove, no love.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa there fella!
Now you’re getting personal….. oh you meant a leather baseball glove.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 17, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't Kozma have like 44 errors this year at short?
That doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence in me that he is ML ready, even at 3B.
Only 34, jeez, give the guy a break.
Or a ring.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then
he’s no Jose Offerman.
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
In that he's not banned from managing in the Dominican Republic?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
How many E's in Offerman?
>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.
Which brings me to my favorite (only ) Jose Offerman Joke.
What do Jose Offerman and Michael Jackson have in common?
They both wear a glove on one hand for no explicable reason.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 17, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which averages out to a .941 fielding percentage in his minor-league career.
Miles is a career .955 fielder.
Yikes.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
is there a statistic
that Kozma is good in?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
71% success rate in steal attempts.
He’s driven in 62 runs.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The 71% is career minor-league.
The 62 RBI is this year.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
RBIs is a much better statistic I gues...
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Yes, look at that only.
And look right past his .244 AVG and .698 OPS.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
what's his OPS
with RISP? That’s how we’ll know if he is clutch unlike Holliday.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
he's putting up a .700 OPS in springfield with supposedly bad D
i wouldn’t give him a whole lot of credit
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
ZIPS projects miles to have a .604 OPS while playing terrible defense at all positions
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
good for ZIPS
what does it projects Kozma’s line to be in the Majors while providing terrible defense?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
have you actually scouted him?
cause if you just using errors as a means of determining defense….
lets put it like this, how many errors you think miles makes playing SS every day liek kozma does?
have you?
I’d expect Miles to make a lot of aarons. er, errors. I have not read anything anywhere that would lead me to believe that Kozma would be better than Miles right now.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Just from watching him play, I think he would be better than Miles
He makes some very good plays and then blows some easy plays. That’s just an impression. No stats to back it up.
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Kozma almost certainly has far better range than miles
Not to mention arm. Errors are pretty much meaningless.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That many errors don't happen by accident
Not, obviously, the best defensive
metric, but not meaningless. Also, he can’t hit for crap in the Texas league. I’ll give this one to Miles.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Aug 17, 2010 7:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Miles hit even worse in Springfield before he was called up?
Don't say hi to me.
.705 OPS (kozma)
.707 OPS (Miles)
Kinda the same.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
This is a factual statement of Miles value
but does not prove the relational statement of Kozma => Miles as you refuted above. I’m with joker on this one. Kozma is worse than miles.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
That's FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK Pete Kozma
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Signability!
Just like Miles.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
Miles, as a -10 2B with that kind of hitting
Is about -2.5 WAR over 700 PA. I’m willing to bet that Kozma can beat that. He was a first round draft pick after all.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how being drafted in the first round makes him better than miles
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
the robot follows the minors
more than most people I know. He also hates Miles. I’m going to trust his judgment on this.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yes really
Does being drafted in the first round also makes him better than Holliday and Pujols?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Wow, holy mother of a stawman
If you have two players who have equally sucky performance, than the one who was drafted in the first round just a few years ago projects better than the one who is 33 and is 5-6 with no athleticism or any discernible skills.
Do I need to spell out for you why that is the case?
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok that was rude, sorry
I just think it should be obvious that players are drafted in the first round for a reason – because they have a lot of projectability left in them (and yeah, Kozma was a pussy pick, but he was at least a second rounder).
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
no one is saying
that miles is the better asset going forward. just that at this current juncture, miles is probably a better big leauger than kozma
like today
that’s what i’m saying at least
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
that's what I am saying also
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Well I still disagree with that
By “going forward” I mean starting tomorrow.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
but isnt the MLE of a .700 OPS guy in a hitter's park in AA
basically like .500 or something? Even with much better defense than Miles and his ~.600 OPS projection, I’m not sure he’s as good (or rather, I think he’s more terrible. Or whatever).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
what is?
Kozma’s .700 OPS? He’s had >900 PAs at AA now and sports an OPS of .650 in that period. I wouldn’t dispute that he’s better now than he probably was when he first came up, or that he’s probably been a tad unlucky on BABIP in that period, but he still looks pretty clearly like a below-average hitter in AA to me.
You’ve also got to note that he’s playing in a reasonable hitters league in a park that is SERIOUSLY good to hit in. Maybe if you park-and-league-adjust it balances out his (likely) improved skills over his performance so far, and his probably bad luck, and he’s a true-talent .700 OPS AA hitter now.
Either way, I don’t think he’d hit for shit in the majors now. A sub-.600 OPS seems pretty certain. It then just depends on how much better he is with the glove than Miles.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure that Kozma could get a .250 wOBA in the majors
and his defense is, imo, average at best at SS. I do not think there’s a definitive case for Kozma to be better than Miles.
That assumes Miles is a true -2.5 WAR player over 700PA which seems overly jaded.
There’s little objective evidence to back up your claim. CHONE likes Miles at -0.1 and Kozma at -1.7 WAR.
(I’m defending Aaron Miles. WTF. Please come up with a better argument so you don’t put me in this position again.)
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Oliver projects Miles to be -.9 WAR per 700 and Kozma to -.4
Also, I think the fact that Kozma was a first round draft pick just a couple of years ago means he’d have a higher mean to regress to than Aaron Miles.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're talking about half a run between a high-variance
minor league projection and Aaron Miles. That’s a tiny margin to make any claim that Kozma is definitely better than Miles.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
But I'm arguing that Kozma should get a significant bump because of his draft status
The projections are based solely off of his (sucky) numbers, but that doesn’t take into account that he was once a highly regarded talent. The mean to regress his numbers to is likely much higher than what is actually happening.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But he's probably a true talent round 2/3 guy.
That’s probably the case for 90%+ of major leaguers.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no way Miles would be drafted anywhere near the 2/3 round
by vivaelpujols on Aug 18, 2010 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that's because he sucks.
But this
But I’m arguing that Kozma should get a significant bump because of his draft status
is a ludicrous argument unbecoming of someone with your (considerable) knowledge.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Evidently it doesn't matter but the org.'s...
3bmen at Triple A (Gotay) and Double A (Carpenter) are having good years. Gotay has some ML experience as well.
At this point we have Lopez (should be starter), Craig, and Greene (apparently returning to health), with Gotay next in line in the minors. We also have Aaron Miles, unfortunately.
I don’t see that there’s much to be done about 3b now except hope that Floppy starts hitting again. There doesn’t seem to be any reason why he wouldn’t, probably just a slump that he’ll emerge from soon.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I love A.D.A.M
“If you can’t win (a Cy Young) at 19-8, 2.63 (ERA) because someone was better, then what in the world can you do?” Wainwright asked. “It’s not like I’m going to double that this year. I’ve got to do the same thing, and the vote goes the way the vote goes. … I agree with any of those explanations except the sabermetric stuff. I don’t think that allowing a baserunner more an inning or half a baserunner more an inning than someone else dictates whether you should win an award or not. Did the runner score? If he didn’t score, then who the heck cares?”
his season, only two NL pitchers have allowed fewer than one baserunner an inning, and Wainwright is one of them.
And when it comes to Wins Above Replacement Player (how many wins the team has because this man is in the lineup rather than a slightly below average player), one of Baseball Prospectus’ granddaddy metrics, Wainwright is tops in the majors at 8.0. He is ahead of position players such as Albert Pujols (5.3). Told even the sabermetrics adore him this year, Wainwright laughed.
Adam for Cy young!
Goold
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
damnnit
Wainwright misunderstanding the point of sabermetrics, I blame strauss.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite Cardinal (at least for now)
"I'll be in the conversation at the end of the year." Adam Wainwright
Lineup - no Corky
Schumaker 2b
Jay cf
Pujols 1b
Holliday lf
Craig rf
Lopez 3b
Molina c
Garcia p
Ryan ss
hooray!
I love line ups!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
off days suck
. I’ve been refreshing here about a dozen times in the last hour waiting for the line up.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
It sucks that we have another off day on Thursday
But then go on a pretty long stretch without an off day.
Wow
Craig
Lopez
Molina
is a scary proposition. Here’s to hopeful success!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
better yet
Craig
Lopez
Molina
Garcia
Ryan
Schumaker
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
could be worse
Could be
Pagz
Stavinoha
Green
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i said Greene
but I meant miles.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
That's not cool, frog.
What if I said: “I said Evilfrog, but I meant WestCoastBirdwatcher.”
Would that be ok? I didn’t think so.
Not cool, frog, not cool.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 17, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
I was actually reading about how tila Tequila was attacked by juggalo’s and Tom Green was distracting the crowd while I typed that out… Either that or my brain seen that I put Miles in a lineup and auto-corrected it for me.
But you’re right. I’ll start writing a letter to Greene apologizing.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Seeing the headline (paraphrasing) "Tila Tequila attacked by Juggalos" made my day today
The Earth has jumped the shark
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Why no Colby? WTF Tony
You just had a day off, and Colby is 1-4 vs. Bush.
'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----
Interesting decision.
Especially since there is a lefty on the mound tomorrow afternoon.
Does Colby sit both games?
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not tony this time
Colby has a right calf strain and won’t play today or tomorrow’s day game. Rasmus has been having bothersome leg issues for the last few months.
Not tony most of the times
Most of the time that Colby has missed has been because he is sore.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Garcia and a good lineup!
picked the right day to go to a game
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 17, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh
Rasmus should basically never sit unless he’s hurt. He’s their 3rd best hitter. Even considering how bad the rest of the hitters are, that’s still something. Sitting him should be a rarity.
He's starting to turn into JD Drew.
Very disconcerting.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Less of a robot.
His interviews, while a car crash, are at least charming in some weird way.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
JD didn't sell it either.
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
I know this isn't what you mean
But him turning into a career .384 wOBA hitter would be okay with me
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be too.
Just saying, JD Drew misses time for random injuries as well. I am not saying JD Drew is a bad thing, but Colby has so much potential, that he can be much better.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
when has he ever missed significant time
little dings and bruises throughout the season are typical
if he’s out until friday, that would be his longest period of unavailability since AA, right?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Wha?
He’s 4th in plate appearances this year, trailing only our most-regular regulars Pujols, Holliday, and Molina.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
Rasmus has been shut down multiple this year
last year, and the year before. So I can see where health and durability are a concern.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
they've all been for brief periods of time, though
2008 was the last time he missed significant time
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
yes they have
we’ve been lucky there. Lots of nagging leg issues though. And Tony has given him plenty of rest. Hopefully some conditionality this off season takes care of it. (of course, it can all be completely unrelated.)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I've really had to tone down my frustration with Tony
because it looks like he really is resting Colby for legit reasons. If only he were better at communicating this so people didn’t freak out about it…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I actually think Tony likes making us freak out
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Is dduct still alive?
I’ve sent him a few emails. If anyone sees him, tell him to follow the link in my sig to find my email and have him shoot me one because apparently the ones I’m sending him are being blocked.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
yeah he's out there
I’m surprised he hasn’t got ahold of you yet
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ya....tape tivoed a game for him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I will be at tonight's game BTW.
I am 2-1 in games this year. Here’s to hoping for another winner and a Reds loss.
With Colby not in the lineup, I am not pleased with Tony. There better be a good reason besides Craig needs more ABs.
'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----
Per BJ Make It Rains
Rasmus has a right calf strain. He will likely be out until Friday at the earliest. He said he’s not available at all tonight.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ahhhhh SBN'd
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
Hopefully this doesn't turn out like the Ludwick calf strain.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
what...you mean he comes back only to get traded?
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
When he returns, we trade him?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and red beat me to it.....
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
dindangdarnit
BJRains Rasmus has a right calf strain. He will likely be out until Friday at the earliest. He said he’s not available at all tonight.
1 minute ago via web
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
Good news.....Favre is back with the Vikings.
Maybe. Most likely.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
What a shame. I guess we won't get that breakout year we were all expecting from Tarvaris Jackson.
Don't say hi to me.
Can't wait to see who he throws an interception to to end the season this year.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
"good news?"
that’s not really how i took it
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 17, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Tweet from BJ Rains
Miles, Stavinoha and Steven Hill will be hitting in a simulated game vs. Jeff Suppan in a few minutes. Suppan warming up in pen now.
Send A.J. Pujols to the dish, he’ll simulate major-league hitting better than Miles and Stavinoha.
Something tells me Suppan will be anointed the new #1 starter after this simluated game
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think they're just keeping him fresh
while he’s on the “disabled” list
so that he can help in september, if necessary
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
i believe he can start rehab today
and still stay down in the minors until after the call up.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
OT: Okay VEB'ers
someone remind me of the BBQ place that isn’t Arthur Bryant’s that I need to eat at in KC. I’ve been trying to think of it for hours.
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Oklahoma Joe's was the one. Thanks!
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Nothing like fine BBQ in a gas station.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
but is it good?
I’ve heard people rave about that place
I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.
Very good. Reasonable prices too.
I’ve had both the ribs and the pulled pork sandwich.
Either one is an excellent choice.
It’s not open on Sunday though, in case you are making travel plans.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And prepare to wait in line.
I waited almost an hour once.
by Ghostrider520 on Aug 17, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
KC BBQ
Or you could pick a Gates’ location. They’re good too.
by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 18, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yay for baseball! t-58 minutes. it feels like weeks since i saw a game
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
It should be fine.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh, that dave cameron.
so here is the first of 4 parts of a discussion on fangraphs about their pre-season organizational rankings, namely, that seattle was put at #6, ahead of teams such as the braves and cardinals. all 4 parts are up on the site, so you can read through dave’s responses to some of the comments as well as his final thoughts. in the end, he just ends up blaming other people.
But, it seems like most people aren’t really interested in talking about the sausage making process. They just want an apology or an admission of error. So, this is for all of you who fall into that category.
You were right. I was wrong. The Mariners have had a bad year. In retrospect, I shouldn’t have ranked them as highly.
There you go. Tomorrow – back to baseball.
obviously he said a lot more than that, and you should read it yourself to see how you feel about it, but i agree with a lot of the commenters on fangraphs who pretty much said that too much faith was put into a front office that (1) had very little experience going into this season and (2) cannot be easily or objectively measured. to his credit, dave said next year’s ranking would be much more transparent about how they are formed. if nothing else, this fact makes the discussion worth it.
also it should be noted that the poster on fangraphs who goes by vivaelpujols is not our vivaelpujols. (at least that was true at one point. so, vep, let us know!)
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
disregard the link to the rankings.
just realized they are for 2009. i havent been able to find a list form for 2010. dammit.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
Dave banned the stalkers IP adress, so any "vivaelpujols" is me
Generally, I use “vivaelpujols” when I want to yell at someone, and “Nick Steiner” when I want to make a reasonable point.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
good to know.
damn stalkers.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
I will now picture all of your comments as yelling
the math is suddenly entertaining.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
only 38 minutes until cradinals baseball!!!!!
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
Somewhat OT: WTF?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/08/17/josh.hamilton/index.html
So Josh Hamilton is the best player in baseball since Mickey Mantle because he’s having his second great year at age 29? He’s one year younger than Albert and hasn’t had even the fraction of the career Albert has had, and is having only a slightly better year.
by mattisnotfrench on Aug 17, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
yeah... that kinda threw me for a loop
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
by a pretty large margin.
i think i’d also take bonds over mickey mantle, but hey that’s just me
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
i'd also take him over
shit i can’t say it, but you know where i’m going with this
f’in stats and facts and stuff
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
yeah
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
Likewise.
He was an asshole but jesus what a great player. Also: Albert now is a far better hitter than Hamilton ever will be. Hamilton’s offensive numbers this year are AN AVERAGE YEAR IN THE RIDICULOUS CAREER OF ALBERT PUJOLS. We’re beyond lucky we get to watch this guy every year.
by mattisnotfrench on Aug 17, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
verducci is an idiot
leaving no doubt? one reason he has only started 26 games in CF is because HE ISN’T THAT GREAT OF A DEFENDER. his uzr/150 the last three years is -15.0 / 11.7 / 6.5. make of that what you will.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
more that uzr bounces all over the place,
but yeah, he definitely seems average.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
Verducci doesn't directly say it, but the ONLY real reason he thinks he even has an argument is the position Hamilton plays.
this makes it even less of an argument.
Josh Hamilton is fun to watch, and a great story, and probably a top 5 hitter in baseball right now, but best player in the game? man. sportswriters.
Craig Carton, radio host:
"If you’re a senior citizen going to Citi Field today, be careful because K-Rod might punch you in the face."
Caller:
"Nah, I wouldn’t worry about it Craig, the Mets haven’t beaten people in back-to-back games since June."
he's got a great arm at any position in the OF
I think he’s just way to big to play CF. Put him at a corner OF position and he’s above average.
So basically, he's a slight plus defender at an easy defensive position and a poor defender at a hard one.
Average, that is.
Don't say hi to me.
I had to read the article again just because I couldn't believe it.
One year does not a career make. The talent is there…of course. Who doesn’t love watching that guy? (outside the AL West, of course)…but again, this is only his second great year. At 29.
by mattisnotfrench on Aug 17, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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