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Colby, Fastballs and Pitch FX

Everyone's favorite robot is taking in some minor league action this weekend, so he asked if I would step in for him.

About a week and a half ago commenter stl522 asked about Colby Rasmus's swing being geared for the inside fastball and mentioned that the scouting report on him was to attack with the breaking ball.   To me that feels like a two part discussion 

  1. Is that really the scouting report?
  2. How well does perception match results?
I'll make an attempt to provide data/insight into both questions and hopefully we'll be able to come up with some answers.  

To truly answer the first question I'd need access to scouts and unfortunately I have none (I find it hard to get access to scouts never leaving my mother's basement and all).  As a proxy to actual scouts I thought the best course of analysis would be to compare how many fastballs Colby is seeing compared to other notable LH hitters with similar wOBAs.  The following table summarizes that research

Hitter FB%
Colby Rasmus 54%
Joe Mauer 62%
Brain McCann 54%
Kelly Johnson 56%
Carl Crawford 61%
Billy Butler 56%
David Dejesus 63%
Shin-Soo Choo 58%

Comments on the table and the data relating to question 2 are after the "read more" thingy

Star-divide

Clearly not all of the players in that table arrive at their ~0.370 wOBA the same way Colby does; however it is still fairly illustrative that Rasmus is seeing the lowest percentage of fastballs among the group. I'd say the table seems to support the assertion made by stl522 (among others). It doesn't necessarily prove anything as there are plenty of other variables at play, however it points us in that direction. Also of note, there isn't much change in the types of pitches Colby is seeing this year compared to last.

To answer the second question we can turn to pitch type linear weights (rv100s) derived from Pitch F/X data.  I looked at all of the data from both 2009 and 2010 and put together a few graphs.  The following graph shows Colby's rv100 for the various pitch types (binned by fastball (FB), breaking ball (BB), and changeup (CH)) against right handed pitchers.

Colby_rhp_all_medium

This chart seems to match perception as the highest run values are middle in and are the straight pitches (FBs and CHs).  The part that was most interesting to me was the fastball that is an inside strike.  I thought that he might be a little better in there than the results showed.  Also interesting is the relative neutrality of the breaking balls.  He seems to struggle a little bit with the slider/cutter under his hands, but other than that he's pretty neutral against the breaking ball.  

Here is the same chart against LHPs

Colby_lhp_all_medium

It follows a similar pattern; middle in and straight is pretty good, but pitches away are neutral to bad.  Left handed breaking balls away have been his undoing.  As was mentioned earlier, these charts aggregate data from 2009 when Colby had a 0.218 wOBA and 2010 when he has a 0.348 wOBA.  With that in mind I did a yearly breakout as well and thought the the breaking ball data was interesting.  

Colby_lhp_bb_medium

Colby has gone form being negative pretty much across the board to being a huge positive on the breaking ball that stays middle in.  His "true talent" is likely somewhere closer to the aggregate, but it's uplifting either way to see the positive changes.

All in all it appears that those folks that were making the observations about Colby being suited to hit inside fastballs are backed up by the data.  Whether this is a mechanics thing or something else, I'd have to defer to those folks that are much smarter than I about those types of things.

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It looks like Harry chopped the plate into thirds, so some of that down the middle is carrying over into the middle in portion in my charts. Same general idea I’d say.

by stevesommer05 on Aug 15, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Colby has hit for a .348 wOBA against lefties this year?

I was OK with him hitting at that level the entire year, as it would be a big improvement. If only someone could figure out why his UZR is so low…

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 15, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Because it just doesn't "look" like he's running that far that fast.

Wait….you mean my eyes might be lying to me?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Today's game

For anyone in the KC area, I will be at the buffalo wild wings in Independence for today’s Cards/Cubs game.

by stlfan on Aug 15, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Have you looked at league adjustment?

For a long time it was thought (not necessarily proven) that pitchers in the AL through more fast balls than in the NL, for the simple reason that they could (the big arms were there). Not saying this is accurate, just wondering whether you looked at it.

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by StanTheManFan on Aug 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate bunting and bunters that can't bunt

I even hate the festive decorations that mlb hangs in October and the little yellow birds too.

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Do you also hate those yummy circular cakes?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 15, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yum....


Bundt cake.

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 15, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yesterday was frustrating.....

Carp wasn’t sharp early, but worse, we had chances to win or pull even, but we couldn’t do something as simple as bunt the baseball.

And the last two days are what kills me about Colby. 4 walks one day. 3 K’s and a lame bunt attempt the next.

by Stanley1 on Aug 15, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Who all had lame bunt attempts yesterday?

I keep hearing different names every time I read something…

by stlfan on Aug 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

colby

popped out to the catcher

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Ryan did the same.....

And that brings up another point…..what is with BOTH of those guys standing in the batter’s box, and not running on the bunt attempts that were in fair ground? That could have been even worse. That has been this teams’ MO all year…..a few good games with good hustle and good fundamentals, then crap like that.

by Stanley1 on Aug 15, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems as if both can drop down a bunt for a hit attempt

but can’t put down a sacrifice to save their lives. Maybe they should change their approach to sac bunting.

Or we could just stop it all together, since bunting is dumb.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 15, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

it surprises me with a tlr team

that they cant bunt, course he doesnt use the sac quite as much it seems like th eold days..

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Aug 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have pills for that now

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 15, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i missed the game...

why would colby bunt?

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by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because TLR

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 15, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

was just watching the game like the rest of us...

I hate this meme. I can never tell if someone means it our not.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never gets old

"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson

by cyclone on Aug 16, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this situation, it probably is both.

(I didn’t mean it, but this is what he would do.)

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 15, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

To get the tying run in scoring position.....

with only one out. It’s the right play, just like bunting Ryan in the 9th was the right play. The players have to get it done though.

by Stanley1 on Aug 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, its noy

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 15, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

no, its not. with colby rasmus batting, it's

Essentially always going to be better to let him hit.there’s a good chance he gets on base, just under 40 percent. There’s about another 20 or so percent chance he puts the ball in the air allowing the runner to advance anyway. There’s some chance he strikes out or grounds into a double play.

But there’s no reason to make a play where the best scenario is there’s one more out and a man on second. Letting rasmus swing is a much better way to improve your run expectancy and tie the game.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i would say there is almost no chancehe GIDP

off the top of my head I believe he has only grounded into 3 double plays this year.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per Goold

Craig starting at third and batting fifth. Yadi starting again. Haven’t seen the complete line-up yet.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

we have had off days and rain outs though

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t see it as a big deal.

by Stanley1 on Aug 15, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

If my cipherin' is right, 19 it is.

Unless you count the washed-out game in Fla. The frog is right, there have been off-days in there too.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

It’s sounding like Gagnozzi is coming up on the off-day. Yadi will probably sit soonish.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i really hope he does well

and I really hope if he struggles the fan base doesn’t hold it against him.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

he really can't be that bad, can he?

plus just the bat being there is such a big upgrade.
so if Craig’s playing third, guesses on lineup? i’m guessing flopex will sit and either sch moves to leadoff, or the chief justice does w/ colby being moved to 2nd

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree about his bat being an upgrade.....

Sure Lopez is struggling, but he has been solid at the top of our lineup. It also allows everybody else (Raz, Skip, and Ryan) to slide down to where they should be hitting in the lineup this year. Sticking Craig in there means someone like Skip has to move up in the lineup. And yes, I’m aware that Lopez and Skip have similiar OBP’s. I just think Lopez is a better option.

I think you saw yesterday, to an extent, how hard it is to ride the bench for a week, then come in and get an AB or two. Much, much better suited for certain players, and vets, IMO. The last week is proof positive to me as to why Craig should have been in AAA much of the season. He just isn’t going to get the AB’s at the ML level. And if Tyler Greene comes back healthy, he is probably a better option b/c he can play 3rd.

Do I like Craig over Stavi as a starter? Absolutely. Do I think Craig will out hit Stavi in a bench/pinch hitting role? Not this year, I don’t.

by Stanley1 on Aug 15, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

he in

and hit a screamer right at a player. I don’t remember stavinoha every making good contact.

Trust the process, not the results.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stav'll always have those two HRs, though.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

good for him

I’ll never hit a go ahead HR off of a Hall of Fame closer that’s for sure.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Solid?

I dunno. I keep seeing stats like “hitting .240 in last 10 games” as he comes up to bat.

by sdrone on Aug 15, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solid as in 29.7 % LD percentage

If he qualified he would lead baseball what that percentage. Line Drives have the highest probability of going for hits compared to GB and FB’s

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 15, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

he really can be that bad

anyway…

skippy leads off craig bats 6th, depending on if we are facing a lefty or a right. Everyone else slides one down. so…

Skippy 4
Jay 7
Pujols 3
Holliday 9
Rasmus 8
Craig 5
Yadi 2
Lohse 1
Ryan 6

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

per dgoold

Craig batting 5th, hence my guess about jay first colby second

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh bah.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

you might wanna switch Holliday and Jay on the field

Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte

by BVHeck on Aug 15, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say if Craig is starting at 3rd

Miles 2b
Jay RF
Pujols 1b
Holliday LF
Colby CF
Craig 3b
Not Molina C
Pitcher
Ryan SS

TLR has already said he’ll sit Lopez, and I wouldn’t be surprised actually if Colby sat out today and Jay was in CF with Winn or Stav in right….Stav was called up right?

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 15, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Jay lead off

Jay RF
Craig 3B
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Rasmus CF
Molina C
Schumaker 2B
Pitcher
Ryan SS

....my quick smells like french toast...

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by mstreeter06 on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he doesn't then we can't bitch, a goodly number of us have been asking for this to happen.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

we can't

but Joe Fan sure as hell can and will.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

true enough

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I were Lou I'd try a bunt down the 3rd base line with Fukudome to test him out

Fuk probably won’t do any better swinging, and you also find out if “hit it to the third baseman” will be a good strategy for this game.

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 15, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

i’m excited to see how it goes

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 15, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

hope the O wakes up today

cause im thinking theyll need at least 4 runs with robo arm going

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Aug 15, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

OT:Anybody want a pair of tickets to today's game?

A friend of mine is selling his, $55, 4 rows from the field.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Section 167,row 1, seats 1&2

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody?

I’d go myself but I’m already committed for the afternoon.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, great opportunity...

I wish that pretty much everyone I know in STL wasn’t out of town this weekend…I’d be up for it.

by goodymobb on Aug 15, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today's Lineup

Schumaker 2B
Jay RF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Craig 3B
Molina C
Rasmus CF
Lohse P
Ryan SS

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Could be a lot worse.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn

almost had it. Had Yadi and Rasmus flipped.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

RT @throatwarbler TLR: Has considered hitting Jay leadoff, but he’s been doing so well in the 2 spot, hates to move him. Did consider it today though.

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least Skippy's not as abominable as he was earlier in the year.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish TLR would use jay/skip vs. RHP, lopez has been horrible this year.

lopez vs. RHP .218/.298/.306 243PA
skip vs. RHP .260/.322/.344 318PA
jay babip givethed

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by CodyG on Aug 15, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

you can tell tony really likes him in the #2 hole

but he would make a good leadoff hitter too. I’m glad to see skippy back in the lead off spot though, he’s been hot lately.

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by CodyG on Aug 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Aug 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

man, how awesome would it be if skip started really hitting again

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's start a pool

When will Molina get a day off? (official days off don’t count)

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 15, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

...

RT @JohnMarecek Fernando Salas sent to Memphis to make room for Kyle Lohse #stlcards

....my quick smells like french toast...

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by mstreeter06 on Aug 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

um wow it sucks to be fernando salas, that's like his 6th trip back to memphis.

what mo couldn’t DFA macdougal?
/I’m almost certain the only reason stav is up is to pinch hit and serve as emergency catcher.

Free the Salsa!!!

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by CodyG on Aug 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

options are handy

i just don’t get why the organization is treating salas this way when he’s been, do i dare say, great out of the bullpen

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

because options are handy

i mean, if we DFA Macdougal and then someone get’s hurt who comes up? Right now Salas provides depth.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably not worth it to burn a sanchez option

but kinney or robertson, yeah… not sure they could be a HELL of a lot worse than MacD

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinney has been worse than Mac D

for the last 3 years

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

prove it

show me some numbers.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Aug 15, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

naw

feel free to prove it if you want. I’m hung over to the point were I don’t feel like arguing over the 13th pitcher on the team.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd like to change my answer

DFA Dougie and give me Kinney.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

but how much worse?

is MacD that much more valuable than our current available replacements that it’s worth it to protect his rights and keep him on the roster at the expense of making the bullpen worse by sending down a good young arm?

it’s a pointless question anyway because this is just how the organization manages the roster, and i don’t think it’s “bad”, it’s just somewhat frustrating

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

kinney's having his best season in years in aaa.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 15, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kinney was awful to start the season

but he’s seemingly collected himself. I’m still not sure what the organization needs with someone who is essentially a ROOGy but what they hey.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Aug 15, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not how options work

it’s only burned once a year. they could call him up and send him down as many times as they want this season not burn anything.

Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"

by kalmavet on Aug 15, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think anyone was suggestiong otherwise

I mean, we were using the term “optioning”, but I believe everyone understands salas’s option was burnt at the beginning of the year.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

right only i mistakingly read Salas for Sanchez

so you’re right. it would be using up an option for Sanchez.

Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"

by kalmavet on Aug 15, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's very true

it just sucks that it comes at the expense of making our bullpen a good bit worse

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had that bad outing as soon as he came up

and it’s like Tony just made up his mind that the kid sucks.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubtful he thinks the kid sucks. Does TLR then think Salas is awesome because he's brought back up? Awesome, sucks, awesome, sucks, awesome, sucks...

Doubtful TLR makes the decision anyway.

Salas has options and is at the back of the bullpen. Let’s try not to make this more complicated than it is.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 15, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait

For Geoff Suppan to come back
He is a real clubhouse picker upper

Gritty Bloop Single
Gritty Bloop Single
Gritty Hustle

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

how bout

Jeff Jenkins? can we get him out of retirement?

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

#dididoitright

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJRains has been possessed

BJRains Nola ammc
10 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

what does that even mean?

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Aug 15, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

nola = New Orleans?

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 15, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

ammc = Arkansas Methodist Medical Center?

 Alliance of Meeting Management Consultants? Applied Machine and Motion Controls? Ann Myers Medical Center? American Metal Moulding Corp.? Asterisk Mobile Medical Center? United States Army Aviation Materiel Management Center? Adjusted Monthly Maintenance Charge?

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 15, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miles: Master Charlatan

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

JohnMarecek RT @andrewdmoses: Mozeliak: Below 50% chance of Penny returning. #stlcards
10 minutes ago via TweetDeck

really didn’t see that one coming or anything

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

theoretically

if Penny and Lohse come back full strength
do we shut down Jaime for the rest of the season?

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

colby lewis.

Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte

by BVHeck on Aug 15, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff as always Steve...

really appreciate it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
"I'm not your bitch," Molina told Phillips.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Mather..

getting any reps at third down in memphis?

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 15, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

None of the sources I've checked have minor league fielding info.

Don’t we have operatives in Memphis for this?

Anyone have a source for MiLB fielding?

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh. B-R.

No, he’s been OF/DH only.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotay takes grounders at 3b for Memphis and has 70 points of OPS on Mather.

There’s no need to have Mather take grounders there. And in case anyone was wondering, Gotay and Mather are the same age.

Until Mather starts regularly jacking homeruns again, there’s nothing to see there.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 15, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot that Gotay existed until I looked it up

I couldn’t think of anyone else who would be playing there.

and for some reason I thought RG was much much older

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 15, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

RT @B_Walton Also, David Freese to 60-day DL to create 40-man spot.

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Aug 15, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

wouldn't mind seeing this next year..

It just never ends with Carpenter. I am rooting for him to make next year’s All-Star Game so he can explain the immigration law and its psychoanalytic impact on the minds of future generations.

this comes from the future apparently (friday, oct. 15)

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15782562

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 15, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Beautiful.

I don’t know what’s more moronic, the whining or the idea that Carp is in Cy Young contention.

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 15, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

also
Give this to the Giants, they are going for it: An outfield with Pat Burrell, Andres Torres and Jose Guillen is a lot better

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 15, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

or
He tried to make nice, by tapping catcher Yadier Molina’s shin guard in his first at-bat the next day

DUMBASS

by mattyp on Aug 15, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

than what?

An OF with hideki matsui, adam dunn, and chris duncan?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Aug 15, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hah

But no, Torres is an amazing CF. One of the best in baseball, in my mind.

by Voxx on Aug 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's saved ~3.5 runs

in 440 innings there this year. He’s been good this year in limited time, but I certainly wouldn’t put him up there with Franklin Gutierrez just yet. Plus, he’s 32 years old — it’s not like he’s going to get a lot better in the future.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 16, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

dgoold says

dgoold

Jordan (given name: Matt) Swagerty in the building and deal should be finalized and announced. #stlcards

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 15, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent

Now, about Cox and / or Wilson…

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unsigned

Per Baseball America

Round Overall Player Position
1 25 Zack Cox 3B
12 379 Austin Wilson OF
19 589 Chad Oberacker OF
28 859 Taylor Black SS
45 1369 Robert Hansen RHP
46 1399 Peter Mooney SS
48 1459 Hector Acosta C

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

cox

i seem to recall hearing that the FO is confident in getting Cox and somewhat less so re: Wilson but still think there is a good chance.

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 15, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

SIGN PETER MOONEY

OPEN DEWALLET

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 15, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

report from the yet to begin game

it’s fuckin hot
beer is expensive
thank gob for the light breeze
dear gob, moar breeze please and while you’re at it, throw in some moar runs for us please
jaime launches a pitch to westbrook, he misses the catch, ball bounces and hits a tiny little blond girl in the head. westy runs to her, asks her how she is, signs a ball and goes back to throwing
jaime doesn’t like signing shit
carp cuts training short cause he dgaf
waino doesn’t even bother pretending like he’s doing sth
westy signs a bunch of autographs talks to little blond girl some more
silent auction at the ballpark, thinking about bidding
some weird ppl (i guess i’m not cool enough to know who they are) on the field taking bp, which entertains carp a lot
my conversation with westbrook:
dd: “so how do you like it here so far?”
w: “i like it A LOT”
dd: “good. hope you stick arond”
w looks at me dead in the eye, gives me a big smile and says “thank you. that would be nice” and hands me my ball
jaime runs conditioning drills for another 15 minutes or so
before he goes in he signs a ball for the little girl his pitch hit. but just for her cause remember, he doesn’t like signing autographs
i hope we win

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Bring us a winner, d-dee.

Did you get lost in Westie’s eyes?

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

not really but it was a bit strange

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

me too

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 15, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was the black eyed peas taking BP

per Scott Rovak

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 15, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Votto just tossed in cincy

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 15, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Now that is just a damned shame.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jed now at 1st

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 15, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

sabotage!

i will believe JEd is on our payroll till i see proof to the contrary

..i miss ludriguez-wick..

by d-dee on Aug 15, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He signed an agreement with the Cards.

They’re supplying all of F15teen’s Zima needs. That stuff is hard to find now.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

he verbaly lashed somone who was in lashing distance

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, then he should be suspended.

Because words can be so hurtful.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was goin at him pretty good

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 15, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 15, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

kicking apparently isn't a tossible offense.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goold on TV

talking about Wainwright’s chances on the Cy Young.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Reds suck

this article is so hilarious I had to share it with everybody…I’m confused on why Reds fans continue to defend Cuetos actions?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/436066-chris-carpenter-is-a-street-fightin-whiney-little-girl

by adam2588 on Aug 15, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

My GOB

he’s enormous in that picture…in the background still towering over everyone… like some sort of a periscope/groundhog hybrid

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 15, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think people need to stop posting articles from this site...

nothing informative or valuable ever comes from articles on there.

'Hold my stones!'
----Johnny Cueto fights like a little bitch----

by Heisenberg on Aug 15, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

we'll I'll just not read it then

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha and that will be my policy going forward as well

Colby: "There's been a whole lot of riff-raff going on"

by kalmavet on Aug 15, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy god that was awful

Chris Carpenter for Manager
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker, on Jason Motte

by BVHeck on Aug 15, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

they are just trying to keep the story alive so they can make more money

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Aug 15, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

are we getting a GT

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 15, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently not.

"Now that's how you talk. You don't talk to the newspapers, you talk to the baseball." -- Shannon

by vico on Aug 15, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

KYYYYYYYLLLLLLE

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 15, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitchin to contact, eh?

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Aug 15, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't believe it!

that’s really Kyle Lohse pitching in the Majors!

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

"Pain-free" no less!

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Aug 15, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was kinda painful.

ack.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

DAMMIT KYLE!

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Aug 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

jesus

the guy had only 12 HRs coming into this series

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

F U derrek lee

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

VIVA LAS BITCHES!

The Susquehanna Hat Company killed my father!

by Donovan Hamstain on Aug 15, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed!

We’re over here, if you wanna join the gang.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey thanks!

The Susquehanna Hat Company killed my father!

by Donovan Hamstain on Aug 15, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Update

Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Kyle Lohse

v2.0

seems the same as v1.0

was he built by Microsoft?

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 15, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

This way to the game thread → →

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 15, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats with the gullet beards?

Can’t we just pay homage to the Amish with a jersey patch?

by LexTalionis on Aug 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

this is what VEB is all about

and bacon, of course (I ate some delicious slow cooked countryside bacon at the mom’s house this weekend).

anyways, so what’s the consensus on Rasmus? he only hits fastballs (and obviously pitches down the middle) really well? he just seems really streaky to me as an observer of the games (and I really don’t get the negative UZR thing). I think he still has a few holes in his swing but there’s a ton of potential there. I’m pretty excited to see how he will do next year (and of course the remainder of this one, I’m just worried he isn’t going to up his wOBA a ton this year, although anything close to .400 would be very good)

chief justice

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

young hitter

moved up quickly through the minors, missed a lot of time in AAA. Struggling from time to time is to be expected.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is pretty standard
…he only hits fastballs (and obviously pitches down the middle) really well?

Nobody hits curveballs and sliders well.

The difference between a bad hitter and a good hitter is whether they can see, lay off of, and/or foul off the junk.

You’d be amazed how many times Pujols gets “lucky” on a mistake fastball or flat slider down the middle.

by thepainguy on Aug 15, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

except holliday

never seen someone square any type of pitch so well

by guillermozeliak on Aug 15, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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