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rosterfarianism

the american expletives corporation announced friday afternoon that it had renewed its contract with spokesperson chris carpenter of the st. louis cardinals.

a company spokesperson said: "nobody puts our product in front of the consumer like chris carpenter. In just the last week, we've seen sudden spikes in demand for products used publicly by mr. carpenter, like:

'way to fucking play.'
'get out of here, fucker.'
'man, fuck the reds!'
'shut the fuck up, you old ass motherfucker. if you weren't 900 fucking years old I'd kick your ass myself. i'm nobody's fucking bitch, and i'll fight every motherfucker on your fucking team. fuck!' and
'hey, scotty, watch my fucking pitching arm!'"

due to increased demand for these and other products, the american expletives corporation announced that they would be opening a new shit factory in o'fallon, ill., despite the uncertain economic outlook in other sectors.

the company spokesperson would not comment on rumors that AEC planned to generate capital by spinning-off its controversial children's line of products into a publicly-traded corporation named "little bitches, inc."

all is not well in the linguistics products industry, however, with Rat-Based Similies, LLC closing its doors after 90 years in business. the company hit its peak in the 30's and 40's with its james cagney-inspired catchphrase "you dirty rat." In 1952, Rat-Based Similies lost a costly intellectual property suit for rights to the popular catchphrase to Rat Metaphors, Inc., almost bankrupting the company.

now, decreased demand has doomed RBS. "young people just don't seem to use phrases like 'as filthy as a rat' or 'cornered like a rat' or 'hungry as a sewer rat' anymore," said the RBS chairman. "pity."

Star-divide

it's time for us to think a little about the 40-man, as the roster gets a bit more crowded. our 40-man looks like the table below. penny and lohse  are on the 60-day DL, so there are 42 players listed below. that also means that someone will have to be optioned, go through waivers, or be released when/if lohse or penny come back.

 

Starting Pitchers

Relief Pitchers

Infielders/Catchers

Outfielders/Catchers

Carpenter

Franklin

Pujols

Mather

Wainwright

Miller

Schumaker

Holliday

Lohse

Reyes#

T. Greene

Jay

J. Garcia

Boggs

B. Ryan

Craig

P. Walters

Motte

D. Freese

Robinson*

B. Penny#

McClellan

Hamilton*

Stavinoha*

J. Westbrook#

MacDougal#

Lopez#

D. Jones*

Suppan#

Hawksworth

Miles#

Rasmus

Maclane*

Salas

Molina

Winn#

Ottavino

Samuel*

Pagnozzi*

Hill

Larue#

Anderson

players marked with a # are free agents at the end of the season. players marked with a * are candidates to be removed from the roster.

 

 

so, how much space do we need? well, rule 5 eligibility includes anyone who, when drafted was, 18 or younger who has been in the org for 5 years. anyone who was 19 or older at the time of drafting who has spent 4 years with the team will be eligible.

the 2006 draft class is here - feel free to review and point out players i have missed. ditto the 2007 draft class. basically, the whole 2006 class is now exposed to the draft, and any of the 2007 class who were 19 or older - college or juco types.

 

a random assortment of names of interest from the 2006 class:

Tommy Pham

Jon Edwards

Mark Diapoules

Casey Mulligan

D'Marcus Ingram

James Rapoport

Nick Additon

David Carpenter

 

pham is a toolsy type who is finally putting it together this season. he's been murdering left-handers, which would make him an interesting prospect for our outfield. he has followers and detractors in the prospect-watching community. i'd say he's a decent candidate going forward, but given that he's only made it to palm beach, he'd be very hard to hide on a ML or even AAA roster.a promotion to the springfield or memphis roster by the end of the year would probably keep him safe. none of edwards, diapoules, nor ingram are that interesting to me.

mulligan has put up some good numbers, but lots of folks think his stuff will not translate to the majors. beware his 5.12 walk rate at springfield this season. rapoport was a college sign and thus exposed last year; probably the same will happen again. he was promoted to memphis this year and has not risen to the challenge. additon has done okay, but doesn't seem like a future ML starter. david carpenter is another name where the player has had some nice performances, but still doesn't seem like a major leaguer going forward. his numbers are fine at palm beach but should be taken with a "25-years-old-at-palm-beach-in-my-fourth-season-of-pro-ball" flavored grain of salt.

the paucity of names bespeaks the extent to which this club has relied heavily on college types, so let's get to the meat of the matter:

the 2007 class:

David Kopp

Dan Descalso

Kyle Russell

Thomas Eager

Oliver Marmol

Tyler Henley

Adam Reifer

Chuck Fick

Andrew Brown

Sam Freeman

Tony Cruz

Nick Derba

Adron Chambers

there are some much nicer names on this list. note that two biggish names drafted in 2007 - kozma and hooker -- are high schoolers and thus not eligible till next year. though sam freeman appears on the 2007 list, i believe we only actually signed him after drafting him a second time in 2008, so he won't be eligible for the rule 5 draft this time round.

three names jump out at me pretty quickly. dan descalso could be a backup infielder in 2011, and maybe something more going forward. his ceiling may be limited, but he's a solid player. at the other end of the list, adron chambers is a name to watch. recently promoted to memphis, he's showing signs of adapting well, notwithstanding a ridiculous BABIP. chambers is another speedy left-hander in the jon jay mold, with somewhat less power, with ridiculously good defense in the corners, capable in CF. he reads like a bench outfielder, though he may be capable of more. RF tyler henley is also a fairly easy choice; he had a hot start in springfield, followed by a crash in memphis and then TJ surgery. he's been a very solid prospect so far, and there's no reason to think he won't return from TJ as good as ever. none of these guys are superstars in the making, but very solid roleplayers, and you can't beat the price. not overpaying for these guys is how a team affords the hollidays and pujolses of the world; spending a roster spot on them is cheap wages.

david kopp, second round pick in 2007, has been an intriguing name. he's had a lot of fans in the prospect community, but has not really put it together. i'm not sure that i'd jump out to protect kopp at this point. if he's on the memphis roster at the end of the year, i really can't see him sticking even as a twelfth pitcher on a major league team. he doesn't strike out enough guys (runs about 6 k/9, a little lower this year), he walks too many given how few he strikes out (about 3.5 bb/9). he used to get the outrageous groundball rates (60% and 55% cumulatively in 09 and 08) he'd need to make up for those two deficits, but this year it's down to 46.8%. if left unprotected, he could be an interesting chit for another team, but i'd bet against anyone taking him and actually keeping him all season. still, it would be best to err on the side of protecting him. he may be having a down year and be able to adjust going forward.

i like tony cruz a lot, although i am probably in the minority that sees him playing the role of jason larue if anderson were traded or injured. fairly handy with the bat (an .856 OPS at Springfield, for a .635 MLE, which is . . . backup catcherish), his defense has improved: he had a 53% CS rate last year, and a 54% this year across two levels - much better than hill, anderson, or pagnozzi. give him a year or two and he might make it. you could get away with putting him at memphis, most likely, but he's not a crazy candidate for the 40-man roster. i'd rather see him in september than pagnozzi. in fact, as much as i like hill's bat, i think cruz is a hell of a lot more interesting as a player because he might plausibly play catcher on more than an emergency basis.

adam reifer (k/9 - 9.3; bb/9 - 2.4 at springfield) is a promising reliever and is close enough to the show that he probably merits protection. he's shown great improvements in his control this year, which makes him unique among our relief prospects.

so, where does this leave us? we probably need 4-6 spots on the roster (plus 2 for our 60-day guys). i won't be shocked if we re-sign westbrook, letting suppan and penny go. i hope we've seen the last of macdougal, and i have no idea whether dennys stays or not, but we'll need a LOOGY of some sort. so, there's 3 spots open in the pitching corps without breaking a sweat.

i would love to see lopez come back on a 2y/$6m deal. miles and larue are free to go, with anderson and descalso or greene filling their spots. winn can also walk, as far as i'm concerned. that gives us 6 spots just through free agent attrition, which pretty much covers us right there.

a little elbow room would be nice, so it may make some sense to clear the roster before the deadline to allow for our own rule 5 pickups, free agents, and players not eligible for rule 5 like matt carpenter to join the team. maclane, for instance, strikes me as fairly inessential. tony's comments were fairly telling when maclane arrived - something to the effect of "i just asked for a pitcher and this is what they sent." maclane is depth and not much more.

samuel, while he has a nice ceiling, has never put his control together (currently sporting 26 walks across three levels and 29 innings). hamilton has a lot of talent at hitting but not at staying healthy; if he can't be shifted in a trade, he's very expendable. both have real potential, samuel moreso than hamilton, but both have to show that they can hack it at a major league level and soon.

pagnozzi and stavinoha, on the other hand, are not going to ever be any better than what they are. both will be 28 by the time of the draft, past the time for development. i always read mo's comment that stavinoha had "nothing to prove at AAA" as a two-edged comment. yes, he's too good to play at memphis. but if he doesn't hack it at the ML level when given a chance, he really doesn't have a place in the org. nothing stavinoha did this year, other than showing the effect of random chance on BABIP, suggests that he belongs on an ML team. pagnozzi regressed to a .590 OPS at memphis, and, if he's a good defender, his 24% and 27% CS rates in 09 and 10 don't show it. he should just be done.

shane robinson remains eminently replaceable; i'm not sure what he does that rapoport or three other outfield prospects don't do, and robinson is coming off an injury. daryl jones is coming off a serious down year, and his prospecthood is being questioned. there's probably no harm in giving him another year, but the left-handed outfielder compartment on this train is getting very full. he'll have to rediscover his 2008 power if he wants to stand out before the end of 2011.

there are a further 7 names that could be cleared, fairly painlessly, off the roster, although hamilton, jones, and samuel still have some value and would be my last choices to remove. we have tons of room, should we need it.  one reason is that 2007 just wasn't a very good draft year. the most interesting prospects in the system are either already protected or came from later drafts. the pieces on the verge of joining the club are solid players though, with a reasonable chance for success.

footnote - two names missing above are josh kinney and eduardo sanchez, who were signed as an amateur free agents, one from the frontier league, one from venezuela. i'm not sure entirely how amateur signings are affected by rule 5, but i believe both are exposed this year. the good news is that kinney actually has put together a quietly good season, after being demoted from the big club - a highish walk rate in 2009 has dropped to 2.4 per 9 innings this season, with a k rate above 8. sanchez is having a strong season as well, splitting time between springfield and memphis, though his small-sample-size numbers at memphis are a little concerning. either or both of them may be worth putting on the roster before september. i'd rather see either of them in september than, say, samuel, macdougal, or maclane.

those are my initial, only semi-educated takes on the roster. take a look at the 2006 and 2007 drafts. did i miss anyone worth considering? anyone we absolutely should keep? absolutely shouldn't keep? remember that we aren't deciding who stays with the club, just whether we think that there's a decent risk another team lays claim to the player and keeps him.

if you are unfamiliar with the ins and outs of rule 5, wikipedia has a good explanation.

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First, I just wanted to say, excellent article.

There’s some good stuff here that I hadn’t really considered (or known much about) regarding system depth. The lead in stuff is amusing as well. Carp simply doesn’t give a fuck.

On the roster prospects, I’ll agree that Stavinoha has no place on the roster. He’s taking up valuable real estate, so to speak. Pags is likely in a similar boat, although you really can’t ever have enough catching depth. I suppose Motte’s positional flexibility cancels that out though, right? I’m being mostly sarcastic, of course – I think we actually have respectable catching depth in the organization. Certainly enough to let Pagnozzi go.

I might post again later after I look at some things, but thanks again for an interesting piece of work here, even if the lack of capitalization makes my left eyeball twitch uncontrollably.

by Voxx on Aug 14, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, good review

I never know anything about the 40 man roster, but it’s important overall obviously.

I really hope we can clear Stav off the roster. Dammit.

My stock in AEC is !$#% skrocketing.

by sdrone on Aug 14, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I was just thinking about the 40 man roster scenario about a week ago. So perfect timing and well laid out. I will have to ponder over this a bit to give any further thoughts

by JDizzidy on Aug 14, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, since this 'is' about the roster...

Aaron Miles Rest of Season Projections:

.250 / .284 / .289 slash line, good for a .258 wOBA.

Spectacular, isn’t it? I’m just glad we haven’t seen him in a few days. I wonder how the team is reacting to having the exact same lineup 4 straight days? Some of the utility guys have to want a bit of playing time, but, at the same time, it’s also been 4 straight wins. I look for a bit of a lineup shuffle today, and quite possibly a Miles start.

by Voxx on Aug 14, 2010 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Ummm
and quite possibly a Miles start.

You shut your filthy internet mouth!

by ajo080s on Aug 14, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

in all seriousness

sombody shoulda asked Mo in yesterdays twitter chat if they completely ignore SABR….or even slash stats or had some proprietary stat that justified Miles….

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 14, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

correction on Pham

He is now in Springfield, not Palm Beach.

by UofIx3 on Aug 14, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Not only promoted to Springfield

But he is hitting quite well (.900+ OPS in almost 120 ABs). Still a short sample, and one reminiscent of Daryl Jones first mid-season callup to AA, but an impressive AA debut so far to be sure. Last night he was an absolute monster: 4-5, 2B, 2HR. I am sure he certainly will be protected this fall (as he should be).

Sign Austin Wilson!

by nmstar on Aug 14, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ottavino can go on the 60 day DL to create some space for Lohse

Maclane is probably the next guy to get bumped off the 40 man roster even though he is having a good year down in Memphis.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Freese too.

He’s only on the 15-day DL, but clearly will be out for more than 60 days.

StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.

by StanTheManFan on Aug 14, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but that just us through

to the end of the season. When the Rule V draft comes along, that is when the Cards face a massive crunch on the 40 man roster. It will be interesting to see how JMo handles it.

by jjray on Aug 14, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love how the beginning has almost a Monty python feel

Although if Mott python had Carp it would be more like “this fucking parrot was in his fucking perch because he had been fucking nailed there!”

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 14, 2010 8:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

"master of the crane technique"

thanks for today’s facebook status

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 14, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

If the Mario triplets (they look the same, shiggityshigggityshwah!)

Were all three gone next year I would be happy. Maybe Stav to the Cubs, Sup to the Reds and Miles to the ’stros(fingers crossed)

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 14, 2010 8:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Rat Based Similes

"They had him pinned up like a rat in corner," Dusty Baker said. "It wasn’t pretty."

by madridbend on Aug 14, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I really hope Casey Mulligan makes it to the big club soon...

I wanna see the thriller dance at Busch.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." - Stan Musial

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss." - Dizzy Dean

by shadetree on Aug 14, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

nice post, enjoyed

kind of got me thinking about my list to santa a little early

my list includes hamilton. i’ve watched him in spring games for the last couple years and he has one of the best looking swings in camp. just has to find someplace to stand for those pesky half innings in the field

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Professional Pinch Hitter...?

could that be a possibility? He could be next year’s Stavi…except stay on the bench because Albert will look at Tony funny, then Tony will think twice, or three times, about putting Hamilton out there.

by stlfan on Aug 14, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

no way you pay Hamilton that much money

just to PH

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

hehe

oops. I was watching MLB and they were showing Josh Hamilton high lights. wow. Right over my head.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think hamilton could be a garrett jones type...

problem, of course, is the major league depth chart at positions he could play.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 14, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

real possibility

only saw him at first, so no feel for him in the outfield

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

tom s. was waiting for this moment.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Jim Rapoport aka "is that the bat boy?"

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Tim K is one of us

if we were truly geeky baseball geeks. aww, Timmy.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

That's the thing about box scores

I’ve NEVER enjoyed them in the newspaper, there are too many missing.

by sdrone on Aug 14, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, you know what?

We should email him and explain the magic of cut and paste into documents he can keep forever.

by sdrone on Aug 14, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Timmeh strikes me as a tactile learner.

like Dave Duncan’s got to have binders.
though I think DD does do quite a bit of computer work nowadays.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

i have a feeling

he already understands how that works.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or he could just print out the box-scores and then cut them out.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the same

it’s like listening to vinyl instead of MP3s. Or reading books instead of using an E-Reader.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the same

it’s like listening to vinyl instead of MP3s. Or reading books instead of using an E-Reader.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the same

it’s like listening to vinyl instead of MP3s. Or reading books instead of using an E-Reader.

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 14, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute...

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the same

it’s like listening to vinyl instead of MP3s. Or reading books instead of using an E-Reader.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the same

it’s like listening to vinyl instead of MP3s. Or reading books instead of using an E-Reader.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the same

it’s like listening to vinyl instead of MP3s. Or reading books instead of using an E-Reader.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's the same.

like listening to vinyl instead of MP3s. Or reading books instead of using an E-Reader.

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

C-

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 14, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to retort all of these with

“Any port in a storm.”

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

you still use ports?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry pj, I haven't played D&D since I was about 15.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

that has nothing to do with D&D

at least not that i’m aware of. i’ve never played it

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it doesn't.

That just had a D&D sound to it. I could’ve used a reference to picking up a girl in a bar, but that didn’t sound geeky enough.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was geeky for sure

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a helluva beverage.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

did

the same thing with michael jordan articles back in the day. i’m sure that box is still hidden in my parents’ house somewhere

by martimeryard on Aug 14, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Timmy K is great
My closet was a shambles, the top shelf had collapsed from the weight of 15 years of box-score books, two books per year, a total of 30. My suits were on the floor, covered with plaster and covered with box scores from 1990. Two suits were ruined, which was especially troubling since it’s hard to find size 32 short anywhere other than Nordstrom For Kids.

I have a scrap book that some of my older uncles put together when they were kids. All kinds of Cardinals clippings in there. I have several complete newspapers from Cards World Series in the 80’s. A shame that’s coming to an end.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. I can relate to the clothes thing...

I’ve pretty much given up looking for pants with a 30 waist, 28 leg in stores now. At least they have the internet now.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite line was
I estimate I have lost at least six pairs of scissors because I forgot to remove them and the security men and women and the airports thought I might hijack a plane using scissors that were as dull as NFL pre-season games.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would think stav actually

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would also think salas before Macdougal

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

sadly true

macky-d has a lot more history of fail than salas can accumulate in just the rest of this season

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

not only that

if you option Salas, he is gone for 17 days. If you DFA D-Mac, he is gone forever.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasted away to nothing

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

its the 25 man crunch that klohse will cause

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either

Salas or Mike MacDougal if they want to stay at 12 pitchers.

We also have 6 OFer’s on this roster

So most likely Craig or Stav will be optioned. Or Winn would be released

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm thinking it's a pitcher

considering stav just got here (and doesn’t usually take the craig treatment), optioning craig would be, among other things, just flat out stupid, and taking winn out of the equation would cause him to be released, and IMO he’s at least been serviceable.

salas or macdougal. IMO it’s got to be macdougal, but who the hell knows what’s going on in tlr-iak’s mind.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 14, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Is there reporting on this?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why did he lose it?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

MOAR DUBBLE SWITCHES

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it was weird genius enough for him.

He can’t stand doing things the plain, old, boring, straight up way.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

why does it have to be MacDougal?

Salas get’s to come back on sep 1st if he is optioned. Macdougal won’t.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both the 40 man and the 25 man roster are impacted by Lohse's return

moving Freese to the 60 day DL solves the 40 man problem.
for the 25 man issue, either Salas is headed back to Memphis or MacDougal is dfa’d and the Cards work with him on a minor league assignment for two weeks. MacDougal could be picked up by another team through the waiver process (I doubt it since STL is his third team this season) or he could choose to just head home for the season and collect his paycheck instead of spending time on the minor league bus.

by ubeddie on Aug 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Due to the twin curses of work and the return of the Premier League Football season

I will be unable to attend the game thread for tonight, for this i am deeply sorry as my incredible insights e.g. GOOOO CRADS and COLBERIN TIME, will surely be sorely missed. In my stead i offer this simple message:

GO CARDS WHUP THE SCHLUBS

100% Sober, 40% of the time

by Aranathor on Aug 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

whatever you contribute will work

on a similar note, i’ll be around for today, but i might not be around for tomorrow because i’m moving in to my college dorm.

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 14, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your mom goes to college.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 14, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

rochester college

in rochester hills. (you might know where it is, but nobody else will)

@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 14, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's more like roachester

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 15, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got up at 4:30 this morning to watch the Spurs-Man City match.

Not bad, but I wish one side had scored.

"Now that's how you talk. You don't talk to the newspapers, you talk to the baseball." -- Shannon

by vico on Aug 14, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I think the team is feeling the pressure that is on Mancini.

How’s that for jackleg psychologizing?

I had the Spurs for the match, though I do like City too.

"Now that's how you talk. You don't talk to the newspapers, you talk to the baseball." -- Shannon

by vico on Aug 14, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cueto's penalty will have little effect on the Reds

Apologies if this has been discussed already. The Reds, as the Cards, had an off-day on Thursday and will have one on Monday. By dropping his appeal, Cueto serves his suspension immediately. So, he can not pitch for seven games – Weds. was the first, then three against Florida this weekend, then 3 in Arizona from Tues-Thurs. But, with the two off-days, the Reds can simply juggle their rotation. The other 4 starters simply get one day less rest but no one is forced to pitch on 3 days rest and the Reds are not forced to start someone who hasn’t been starting. One of these effects would seem to be the typical consequence of a 7-game suspension, but the two off-days mean there is virtually no penalty to the Reds for Cueto’s actions. What a joke!!!

by CRay on Aug 14, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

So anyone notice that

LaRue can actually come off the DL tomorrow

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

that's full of awesome and patheticness all at the same time.

and probably the only reason tony did that. i don’t actually think larue will be out all that long, but they knew they could take him off the DL whenever they wanted to.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 14, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually, Flim

LaRue played in the game Aug. 3 (the blowout loss to Houston), so I don’t think he can come off the DL until Aug. 19.

by CRay on Aug 14, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

OH

I was thinking his last game was the 1st

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Addition by subtraction of Additon?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I missed the return of the Walkapotomoose last night :(

0-0 4 BB

Awesome

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

It's almost like walks are homework for Colby

He’ll put them off for a long time like some sort of science project, then do them all at once. Oh wait, maybe that’s just how I got through school…

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So is there a possibility they could try Hamilton in the OF?

It seems like with the way he can hit if that was a possibility they would have already tried it.

by mick311 on Aug 14, 2010 12:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hamilton can't play the OF

He’s a less than nimble 1B.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to be THAT guy

But the Cards didn’t sign Kyle Russell and he was drafted and signed by the Dodgers the next year.

/mlb draft nerdiness.

Future Redbirds! www.futureredbirds.net
Rams Gab! www.ramsgab.com

by jroman on Aug 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

New old stock

of several gross of ratfucks. My dad gave them to me.

by bobcat80 on Aug 14, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Put 'em on Craigslist

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

My uncle has tons of rat-bastards in his garage

I looked them up on eBay and they’re not really worth much. I told him to just hang on to them, cause you never know.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of DL / roster moves

anyone heard about Motte’s progress? I think he’s eligible to come off the DL mid-next week.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

no word if he has chewed through his restraints

yet

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not sure how his defense is but would anyone else be in favor of us picking up Encarnacion?

He cleared waivers and could help give Floppy a little rest/time off at third.

by mick311 on Aug 14, 2010 1:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

haha.

wait, that’s not super funny… now i am sad.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The world is ending-

BJRains Same Cards lineup for a fifth straight game: Lopez, Jay, Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus, Molina, Schumaker, Carpenter, Ryan

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

next thing you'll tell me there'll be a game thread on time.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone knows it's a 3:10 start, right?

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it's going to be really fucking hot.

With a possible side order of thunderstorms.

Worst of all, there will be a bunch of Cubs fans at Busch. Wish me luck.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did it rain a ton last night?

I went to bed early but my father said his pool was overflowing when he woke up.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it rained like hell last night.

Starting around 1am -ish, I think.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i now have water in my newly remodeled basement

I’m not a happy evilfrog. Some one is going to die for this.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Must be a dry-land frog.

Would a horny toad qualify?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it is.

But it likes dry, arid places like our Evilfrog apparently does.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it's a lizard.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

but you're a frog—

ohhhh. you’re evil. right.
sorry to hear about it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you're looking for victims, i've got a list

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 15, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

And TLR is making out the lineup, right. Superstition at it’s best.

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Aug 14, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

superstition?

I think there is something wrong. We need to call a doctor Tony may not make it the rest of the season.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paging Dr. Paletta..

there’s no use..he’ll be misdiagnosed. i’d still take a crazed TLR for the W

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 14, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa...

My avatar twin! Azru is gonna be so mad.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahahaha

it’s funny ‘cause it’s true.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

aw dang

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm totally fine with it

But Azruavatar gets notoriously confused by people changing avatars, so I don’t even know what it’ll do to him if there are two of us running around.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that's an evil idea

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

damnit

this is not funny.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Aug 14, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a little funny

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 15, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

its my first avatar. i don't even look at them when i read this.

names are handily dandily right below everything

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 14, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

what. the. fuck.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Aug 14, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

you went through..

the scary door

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Aug 14, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa dude.

now i am confused.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm always confused too....

cause your avatar looks like a little man waving a flag.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

CAN'T UNSEE

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh good grief

someone else did this to me a long time ago. it’s a cardinal. =)

ugh. haha. now i’m seeing it too.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like a rush order from the American Expletives Corp. please.

   BJRains If Molina needs a game off tomorrow, Cards will recall Matt Pagnozzi from Triple-A. La Russa said starting Hill would be “unfair” to all. 5 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh. BJRains, you're bringin' me down.
BJRains If Molina needs a game off tomorrow, Cards will recall Matt Pagnozzi from Triple-A. La Russa said starting Hill would be “unfair” to all.

BJRains La Russa hinted that slumping Lopez may need a break. He said Miles and Craig would be the two options at 3B.

Anderson is banged up right now, isn’t he? Super bad timing.

Also, Craig please? Pleeeeeease?

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

reloading says I knocked you out of first.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only for one, but not the other

I half-win! Mwahahahaha!

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet he gets in one PH appearance right before he's sent back down.

I think he knows he was up mostly because of logistics.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

we know it.

so i hope he knows it.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson is clearly the best choice but if he's hurt, he's hurt.

I would probably take Pags over Hill at this point for one game. I don’t care if Pags goes 0-4 for one game. Hill is learning how to play catcher right now, which is why he’s in Double AA. Pags has at least worked with Duncan and caught our pitchers before.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, I guess. But guys like him, or Kevin Cash, or Corky Miller, are always around...

bouncing between the MLs and the Minors. Our version just happens to be named Pagnozzi. Pagnozzi is an archetype, not an exception. Meh.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 14, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true.....

His defense is why he is around.

What you should have said, was…..“with his offense, most other coaching staffs wouldn’t keep him around.”

Like Twin said above, Pags can best handle the staff. And that is important.

by Stanley1 on Aug 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

except he

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

is not

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that good defensively

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

f'in SBN

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, I was hoping that he'd done that on purpose.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know?

There is more to defense then throwing out base runners. And there is more to throwing out base runners than just the catcher, also.

If he can call a good game, and gives the pitcher confidence to throw balls in the dirt, he is pretty good defensively to me. I’m guessing SB’s won’t be an issue, FOR ONE GAME, at the ML level.

by Stanley1 on Aug 14, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've seen him play baseball

maybe he calls a good game, but he is not a good defender

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

the numbers never lie, he sucks

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 15, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Based on what?

Stolen bases? See my post above.

When I say defense, I’m mostly talking about handling a staff, calling a game, and blocking balls. The first two really aren’t measurable.

by Stanley1 on Aug 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catching baseballs.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 14, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

blocking balls is something he's not very good at

in his brief MLB/spring training time he’s looked pretty stiff to me. He’s probably better at that stuff than Bryan Anderson, but nobody handles pitchers well enough to justify starting a second pitcher in the batting order. When you look at the runs you’d be leaving on the table—it’s just difficult to imagine a catcher causing anything like the same kind of damage because he can’t “call a game.”

Also, people have tried to measure those other things, and had trouble finding any difference between guys who were basically pilloried because they could hit (Mike Piazza) and guys who were Clubhouse Heroes because they hit like pitchers (Brad Ausmus.)

by DanUpBaby on Aug 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he's right around average

and he’s one of the better hitting catchers in the league because of it

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

I’m saying Pagnozzi would be the worst hitter in the big leagues by a pretty wide margin, you could safely pinch hit for him with a number of pitchers.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh,

i don’t get how that means that, but i agree.

i thought you were saying that even if yadi juiced up he’s such a bad hitter that juiced yadi still wouldn’t be an MLB player if not for his defense

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotcha

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronoun syndrome

"Now that's how you talk. You don't talk to the newspapers, you talk to the baseball." -- Shannon

by vico on Aug 14, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

All true..but he's not a MLB player and no one, including the Cards, thinks he is.

The only reason he is even being talked about is because our regular backup (LaRue) is hurt, our AAA backup (Anderson) is hurt, and our Double AA backup (Hill) is just learning how to play catcher. And even then, he’d still only play if Yadier “needs” a rest, which looks unlikely.

Bottom line, the whole thing is a non-event.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd still like to freak out about it

if it’s all the same to you.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

 BJRains La Russa hinted that slumping Lopez may need a break. He said Miles and Craig would be the two options at 3B. 5 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

We've gotta stop meeting like this.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slumping Lopez > Lucky Miles

"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles

by jd is legend on Aug 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I asked Moz about Craig playing 3B

He responded with Mo speak about liking Lopez at 3B

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ needs to shut the fuck up

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 15, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boog played well last night.

A couple of really good defensive plays that helped get westbrook out of innings.

Also, he took some grief for swinging at the first pitch afew times, but the pitches he swung at were fastballs right down the middle. The approach was there even if the results didn’t follow.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

bunting Westbrook over to third was big also.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Diamond seemed to throw a lot of 90 mph straightballs over the heart of the plate, not just to Boog.

Whatever happened in Cincinnati, stays in Cincinnati.

by nota bene on Aug 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

CRAIG BEING FOUND AS WE SPEAK

OR DROPPED OFF BY AN UNMARKED VAN, WE DON’T KNOW

 BJRains Craig was out taking extra ground balls at third base. La Russa walked down and now the two are having a discussion. 2 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

YES

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Aug 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

or he could come away hating Craig for some unspecified reason.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

this made me think of TLR"S irrational rage as the Eye in LOTR

quick, a distraction!

"I told you, I don't like to be manhandled!"

by jacksonian on Aug 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know it would work better if he would keep rotating his rage.

It would keep players on their toes and no one would have to live under that cloud for too long. Unfortunately, his rage tends to filter out veterans.

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Aug 14, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh this makes me so happy.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

this doesn't mean he'll get a start at third

but it does mean that they are open to the idea.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming TLR set the lineup even though he isn't managing

I wonder if anytime in his entire career he has played 5 games in a row with the same lineup

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

This ties his longest streak, I think.

I think there’s a fanshot about it.

Although, I guess this streak won’t count as “his”.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

RiverRat has you covered

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read the gray box
Last time a Larussa managed team used the same lineup 4 straight games: 5/12-5/17 1995 (5 straight).

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

meanwhile, back in Burlington... forces collide.

 cjbeatty44 Watching man vs wild in clubhouse before we leave! This guy inspires me to never quit baseball!!!!!!! Lmbo he is CRAZY! 43 minutes ago via Echofon

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

as do I

but mostly I watch m v. w to figure what the camera guys have to do to get those shots.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think of poor Les Stroud

He has to carry all his camera’s also. If you like living off the grid stuff. Do a video search on Les Stroud about living off the grid. Pretty cool mini documentary

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yes

I meant the circus aspect of doing all that while walking backwards.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i prefer Man V Food

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 15, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Shannon was talking how TLR came up to the press box last night

The very first time he has seen the press box in his time in Saint Louis. (or possibly just the new stadium)

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

was he in awe? lol

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually he was

He was commenting on how loose it was and a mention I think to the booze

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahahahahaha

Tony thinks: That explains so much.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

moar tweet news.
  1. DavidMWilhelm Jeff Suppan is throwing a bullpen right now. Doesn’t appear to be favoring his injured right groin. less than a minute ago via web
  2. BJRains Dennys Reyes’ grandmother passed away while the team was in Cincinnati. He stayed with the team, but La Russa didn’t pitch him on purpose. 4 minutes ago via web
  3. BJRains With off day Monday, Molina will likely play tomorrow and no move will be made. but TLR said if he needs a day off, Pagnozzi will be here. 6 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

needs to stick around to screen Carpenter in a few weeks.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't screw up Craig

 dgoold At third, Craig took soft toss grounders — a drill from spring that infielders do. Had La Russa, Pettini and Oquendo watching. #stlcards 5 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

but no on e was watching before

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Aug 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was doing them by himself against a wall in his backyard

Probably cried a little.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony, Pettini, and Oquendo take ecstasy?

this explains a lot

I also want to address this... Hi there... What's your name? My name's Heisenberg. You like Colby HRs, I like Colby HRs. We have that in common. I'm a Gemini. Maybe we should hook up sometime. Looks like you need a towel, here have mine. *SCREAM* Oh sorry, I should have gave you a clean one.

by mattyfrommo on Aug 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

frreeeeee

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craig!

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

from the AP recap of yesterday's game
"Listen, talk to me about Chicago right now," Pujols said. "Whatever happened in Cincinnati, stays in Cincinnati. This is a new series and everybody’s focused. We flip the page."

That is sufficiently awesome that for the first time in my SBN career, I now have a signature.

Whatever happened in Cincinnati, stays in Cincinnati.

by nota bene on Aug 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

i like it.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool

I get bored with sigs fast so I’ll probably kill it in a month tops.

Whatever happened in Cincinnati, stays in Cincinnati.

by nota bene on Aug 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

call their chamber of commerce

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really want Cinci to win the Wild Card now

A Cards/Reds NLCS would be intense.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Aug 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Holliday stats

i was always under the impression holliday was a big prospect but then i looked at his history…7th rounder out of hs and his best year in AA :

‘02 Carolina…MLE’s: .228/.307/.311 when he was 22yrs old
’03 Tulsa AA was a tick down

‘04 24yr old debut MLB for the Rox’s was .290/.349/.488 @400 PA’s

he never was exposed to rule 5 but i found still found this interesting

by guillermozeliak on Aug 14, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

re: recent pictures of Piniella

man, he just looks shelll-shocked. Staring off into space….it’s like in his head he’s already retired and is sipping a beer on the couch, in his bathrobe and bunny slippers….

Whatever happened in Cincinnati, stays in Cincinnati.

by nota bene on Aug 14, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

he looked that way last year.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He probably should just go ahead and retire, let the Cubs choose a new manager

who could start getting acquainted for the rest of this wasted season.

But he deserves his last trip around the league. In fact, the Cards ought to have a small ceremony for him before the game last time he’s in town, the way everyone is doing for Cox.

"Now that's how you talk. You don't talk to the newspapers, you talk to the baseball." -- Shannon

by vico on Aug 14, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

they'll probably wait till sunday

I don’t think anyone wants to delay Chris Carpenter’s start for any reason….

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hehehehe

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Aug 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell to the fuck no

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 15, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

something i don't see posted (it was probably in the game thread last night)

but after the red’s clobbered johnson last night, wainwright is the undisputed era leader in the mlb.

here’s a look at the more conventional, more cy voter type, stats.

earned run average
waino 1.99
hudson 2.13
johnson 2.27

innings pitched
halladay 185.0
wainwright 176.1
carpenter 171.0

strike-outs
halladay 168
lincecum 163
waino 158

all in all, right now i would say halladay is the favorite (especially when considering the perfect game, all of the cgso) but it is definitely within wainwright’s reach.

apologies if this just rehashes stuff

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget wins!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Aug 14, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

whaaaa?

carp is in the top 3 in IP? did not realize that.

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i was surprised too.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

santana tied for 3rd

randy wolf, carp, santana, and waino are teh only pitchers to have started 25 games. carp will be the ML leader in games started after today? weird.

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 14, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

wins
jimenez 17
wainwright 17
halladay 14

and just for fun

shut-outs
halladay 3
waino 2

complete games
halladay 8
wainwright 5

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

perfect games
Halladay 1
Wainwright 0

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

umpire aided

and having a real third baseman might help there.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still it's a perfect game

Which will give him the edge in some of the voters’ minds.

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, voters' minds

mulling, gotcha.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't read the fine print.

il rosso already mentioned that.

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i missed this.

oops! =)

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i mentioned that.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 14, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that you're making me look at pitching stats

Carlos Marmol’s K/9 is still 16.5. that’s absolutely absurd

Fire TLR.

by tehzachatak on Aug 14, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Waino's option gets picked up

for 2012 & 2013. Top 5 finish in Cy Young voting means guaranteed $21M for Adam.

by ubeddie on Aug 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't see health clause

on Cot’s Contracts page

- 2012, 2013 options guaranteed with top 5 finish in 2010 or 2011 Cy Young vote
- 2012 club option increases to $10M with 2010 or 2011 Cy Young
- club must exercise 2012 and 2013 options at same time

by ubeddie on Aug 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goold also brought it up before

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Aug 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWIB's on

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

david price

bamf

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

he really got Waino'd

nothing accelerates a badass pitcher’s career like closing a playoff game

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Maddon putting a bike together and going biking.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't he just tell some intern

To haul around a real bike for him?

Is John Mabry still on the roster?

by zack3315 on Aug 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently it's this ex-er-cise thing.

he keeps it in a suitcase and puts it together. so I presume he brings it on the road.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

montage sucked. aw.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats this bike stuff i keep hearing about?

Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can be made

by gdm426 on Aug 15, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least there's a breeze

For now…

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 3:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

if you're at the game, azru knows where to find you.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 14, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

for one of the 37 first pitches

A 10 (?) Yr old kid just threw a strike from the rubber. Excellent.

jprutherford- Bud Norris could get @dgoold and @matthewhleach to stop twittering. #layup

by The Continental on Aug 14, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Gamethread

>While Albert Pujols batting, This Signature picked off second. Three out.

by TBender on Aug 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

mea culpa - you all were right

Pham is up in springfield,not PB. I just read az’s rave reviews of his appearances and will say pham need to go on the 40-man.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

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